#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Black Ala Band Dir. Tased, Fla. Cops Called for Eating Too Slow, Jerry Jones & Minority Ownership

Episode Date: September 19, 2023

9.18.2023 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Black Ala Band Dir. Tased, Fla. Cops Called for Eating Too Slow, Jerry Jones & Minority Ownership A Black Alabama high school band director is tased and arrested in front of students after a football game for allegedly refusing to stop playing music.  He and his attorney will be here to tell us what happened.  Orlando police were used against some black patrons at the downtown restaurant DoveCote because they were taking too long to finish the food and drinks.  We'll talk to two of those who got kicked out.  Cowboys' owner, Jerry Jones, who has never hired a black head coach, says he wants to see NFL Teams Increase minority ownership.  I wonder if he's saying this after Jim Trotter named Jones in his discrimination lawsuit against the football league.  We'll talk about that.  And conservative Lauren Boebert gets kicked out of a Colorado theater for inappropriate behavior.   Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Today is Monday, September 18th, 2023. Coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the Black Star Network. A black Alabama high school band director tased and arrested by cops in front of students after they told him to stop playing music after the game. He and his attorney will join us to tell us what happened. Orlando police were used against some black patrons

at the downtown restaurant Dove Coat because they were taking too long to finish their food and drinks. Talk to two of those who got kicked out. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, who has never hired an interim black head coach or black head coach says he wants to see NFL teams increase minority ownership.

I wonder if he's saying this after Jim Trotter named Jones in his discrimination lawsuit against the NFL. Plus, conservative Lauren Boebert gets kicked out of a Colorado theater for inappropriate behavior. But she's always talking about family values. Really? Really? And Jan Winter, the founder of Rolling Stone,

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The police said they were trying to clear the stadium. They ordered both of the bands to stop playing music. One of them did, but then one of them did not. This took place on Thursday, where a high school band director was allegedly tased. He was tased and arrested for refusing to stop playing. Birmingham's minor high school band director, Johnny Mims, was tased by officers and faces disorderly conduct, harassment, and resisting arrest charges for not stopping his band from playing after the game.

Johnny Mims and his attorney, Wanda Lynn Gouvan, join us right now. All right, so glad to have both of you here. So, Johnny, walk us through. Game is over. Bands are playing. Is this common practice for your band and the opposing band? Hi, Rowan. Yes, this is a normal practice for, you know, for bands and it's across the country for bands to get together and play, you know, tunes after the game. You know, a lot of the parents and fans of bands, you know, look forward to the opportunity because there's opportunity to just showcase just the bands at that particular time.

And we're just doing what is just customary for bands to do around the country. So how many songs normally are played and how long do y'all normally play? It depends. It depends on the two directors of both schools. Usually they'll get together and they'll be communicated ahead of time of, you know, how long that would be. A normal song will last no more than maybe two, two and a half minutes. I would say three minutes is really pushing it. And so, and just in this case, again, both directors got together and said, hey, we would, you know, we're going to do a, you know, play a couple extra tunes after the game. You know, we're just going to do three tunes because of course it's Thursday night and we just going to do three tunes because, of course, it's Thursday night

and we want to get our kids home because we did have, you know, a school following day. But that's the thing that the kids look forward to is that opportunity to showcase what they've been working on all week. So if you've got three songs, let's say they go two and a half, three minutes each, two bands. We're talking a total of 18 minutes. How many songs had y'all played when the cops then approached you and said, stop playing music? We both of the other school and our school had at least both schools had already played at least two tunes. So y'all just had one song left. We only had one song left.

OK, so so the police say they were trying to clear the stadium. Was that happening? And again, is this common practice? Did anybody communicate with them? So how did this thing escalate to you being tased? Again, those particular things

I can't speculate on. I know typically the football teams, usually the fifth quarters that happen when both football teams are usually on the field, we have those opportunities for those teams to get together. They'll usually pray or they'll kind of go over some logistics or celebrate. And usually that's when the fifth quarter is happening. So you still have bodies in the stadium. You still have audience on both sides of the stadium that was listening to both bands. And so I'm not sure where, you know, what the concern was about clearing out the

stadium. But again, we were just doing what we customarily do. You know, we traveled from our school over to that school, you know, to perform. And both bands have been looking forward to, you know, the opportunity to play against each other. And again, just provide good music. I mean, we work very, very hard. And so that's an opportunity for us to do, to do those things. All right. So, um, so again, this thing escalates and it escalates and then you get tased. Now the other band, I saw Stuart with it said the other band stopped playing. Was that actually the case? No, I can't of course speculate it because the other band was on the other side of the field. Of course, my back was to that band.

So once we heard the music stop, at that point, we're thinking that they're done with their song and then we're proceeding to play our final song. And so I can't speculate what happened on the side because, of course, they were all the way on the other side of the field and my back was turned to the other school.

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where it was played again, where it was not really clear what happened. So what happened? So again, we were, you were both both bands were trading tunes. Once we get past once we get a second song, the other band started playing. And then that's when we had a officer come up and say, hey, you guys need to need to leave. And again, that was communicated to my assistant director. By this time, you know, I was up on the podium, which you can see

in the video when you see it, you'll see the podium right there in front, which is separated from where the students are so that I can get up and see all of our students. And so, you know, we were proceeding to go on and play our third song as, you know, as agreed upon by both of, you know, both of the directors from both schools as we customarily do. So, you know, we were told that, you know, we need to leave. And as we customarily do. So we were told that we need to leave. And as we communicated, say, hey, this is our final song. We'll be leaving after that point. And if anything, that further allowed them to be able to clear out the stadium more as we get ready to come out of the stadium. And again, I was on the podium conducting their group before we can

even get to the end of the song, which the officer at that time was, you know, pretty much yelling over the stand. As we were trying to cut off, you know, that last song, they cut the lights off of us. So, you know, I'm a, as I was telling, you know, I'm a dark-skinned guy. And so if you cut the lights off, it's going to be very difficult for me to cue the students on how to cut off, you know, for the song. Because, again, they can't see me. And by this time, an officer was already coming up the podium to pull, to pull me down off the podium. And again, my, my, I was pretty much confused at this time, like, Hey, well, you know, what, what did I do? Like, what am I, you know, what's, what's the problem? What is going on? And, uh, imagine, remember all this has happened in front of 145 students and parents and countless other

fans, again, who customarily see this happening. And so my, you know, my logistic of everything, and to be honest, I still don't understand today why it should have escalated because, again, none of the songs we play along, you know, that's something that the school that we attended, that's something they do on a weekend, on every week. And so I'm not sure why it escalated to the point it was. And again, my biggest thing was I was just trying to, as a citizen who does what he's supposed to do, I don't cause any trouble, was trying to figure out why, you know, I was being, you know, being harassed and pulled off the podium, which could have been a deadly thing because I could have fell off the podium because it's a couple steps up. So that was my biggest thing behind it.

And I guess I don't know if, you know, I'm not what their attention was about, but I think it's definitely something that should have never happened. Wanda Lynn, have you communicated with the police, talked about their actions, anything like that? I have been in communication with the city attorney. First of all, thank you for having us on tonight, Roland. But I've been in communication with the city attorney as well as the Alabama Education Association, parents, students, past local pastors. And it's been a very long day. But one of the things that we've been doing or I attempted to do was gather as much information.

I have asked that these officers and the sergeant, however, be placed on administrative leave, because regardless of what may have happened to begin this initiation or initiated this process, my client did absolutely nothing that would have warranted him being tased, treated like a dog in front of his students. One of the captions today, Roland, just from AL.com, one of the local newspapers here, simply read, in front of the students, in front of the students. I think it's deplorable, especially with us coming off the heels of the Tyree Nichols situation, to see how he was tased by officers just right up the street in Memphis, Tennessee. But I think this is a situation in which the officers, first of all, should never have approached my client.

They should never engage in home rule with regards to the field of play or with the bands. That's number one. It was out of their authority to do so, to cut the lights off at the stadium while fans were present, while family members or families as well as the students was there. And I just couldn't even imagine being in that situation on last Thursday. I feel that my client's rights have been violated and we're going to pursue further actions against the city of Birmingham. but I do believe that these officers should be placed on administrative leave effective immediately. But is there a standard procedure for this? So for instance, you have athletic leagues that regulate games along those lines. How do you make sure that this doesn't happen again? You leave it up to an officer. So I understand band directors making a decision,

communicating beforehand. But to me, if this is common practice, it should be established that just like the game is four quarters, if you're going to have this, it should be established that after the game, the bands are going to engage in three-quarter games. And that, if you're going to have this, it should be established that after the game, the bands are going to engage in three songs each, won't last a total more than 20 minutes.

That way you don't have these subjective decisions by these cops. Are you going to propose that be clearly stipulated by the school district? Absolutely. Absolutely, because the band directors had already communicated in this instance, number one. They had already made the decision to have the fifth quarter. But my concern, Roland, is the actions of the officers, the excessiveness of the process. They should have been in a position on last

Thursday to bring about a point of de-escalation. This right here was an overreach by those officers to purposely handcuff my client, tase him multiple times, throw him—basically throwing him to the ground. He ultimately ended up at the hospital. This was a matter of the police, the police of Birmingham, police officers and the police force of Birmingham overstepping their bounds. This has never happened before, and it never should have happened this time. But I wholeheartedly agree with you. There should be standards that are written and put in place. But I am more concerned about the violation of home rule. There was no life, limb or anything of matter of—as a matter of—in jeopardy with regards to

public safety. This is bad policing 101 here in the city of Birmingham, which has one of the highest crime rates, murder rates in the country. We just lost a Birmingham firefighter who was killed in the line of duty at the police, at the fire station. They've not yet identified the person who's killed them. Every day, Birmingham has three or four murders per day here now. It's become such a common thing that the mayor doesn't even speak on it anymore. Nobody even talks about it. But yet you would take this man, a learned professional in his craft, and basically tase him to the ground to the point he has to be taken to the police officer.

It is an embarrassment to the sport. It's an embarrassment to those who participate in the craft of being in the bands. We all know that's what the fans come to the game. It's an embarrassment to those who participate in the craft of being in the bands. We all know that's what the fans come to the game for most of the time, to hear the music, to see the kids, or whether it's on the collegiate level or what have you. But this instance right here, you've seen the video rolling. You've looked at it enough. I will go tomorrow and look at the body cam. But this, regardless of what happened, what are you charging him with? You should charge him with what you first stopped him for, and that's not a part of the charges.

And the reason why is there was no justification for it. All right, then. Well, we'll follow the case to see what happens next. Wanda Lee and Johnny, we shall appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Alright, folks. Gotta go to break. We'll be back on Roller Martin Unfiltered right here on the Black Star Network. If you're watching on YouTube,

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We talk about this constantly, Omicongo, and what I'm trying to understand is from a cost perspective, it was Bane's plan. You tase a band director. I'm just trying to understand, is it that serious to literally physically take down a band director and tase them because they were playing music? And the short answer, the quick answer is absolutely not. And this is what happens when we continually have issues, situations where law enforcement, police officers are interacting with people just doing their basic work.

The police should have no involvement with any school activities. I mean, if you're there, you know, in terms of breaking up things like a fight or something like that, like a brawl that breaks out or something, but, you know, interacting with a band director like that, he said he could have hurt himself

because when the lights went out and the stage that he was on. And as that article said, that the lawyer talked about, in front of the kids. I mean, how many instances do we have to see where kids are traumatized for events that they're not a part of, but they have to just witness?

And you have people out there who are saying, well, I think the police showed a great deal of restraint. At least he wasn't shot. Like, is that supposed to be our standard right now? You know, we got to walk away. We got to walk away without a bullet in our spine. And we just want to call it a day. These officers need to be held responsible.

And I don't know if there was a situation where the police were already there for security or if somebody called the police in. But these interactions with officers and people, Black people in particular, just doing their everyday job, not robbing a store, not, you know, getting in a fight and arrest, just doing their everyday job. This is where we are seeing serious instances that could have turned out a lot more violent than this.

So I'm going to sit there and say, yeah, I'm glad he wasn't shot, but that's not my standard. My standard is officers behaving properly and not traumatizing our children. They have to come back to school this week and deal with this. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes.

But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibillion-dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad.

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And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. And be in fear over something that should have never happened. I guess for me, I guess for me, Julian, if you're the cop, you're like, again, this is how I still look at it. We've

given you an order. Stop playing. We need to clear the stadium. And you ignore the order. And we've told you. Hey, we've already told the other band stop playing. We have to clear the

stadium. Now, if the band director wants to keep playing, that's when you're the cops, you go, y'all hold on one second. When his ass get done, he getting arrested. And then that's what you do. You politely say, you disobeyed police orders.

We told you multiple times. You chose to ignore us. You're under arrest. You do it very calmly, no need to tase, any of that. Now, that's on him. You know, Roland, first of all, there's an issue of context. The brother said that the lights went out. That meant that the people could not see him. So if he was trying to band direct whatever with the lights

out, he could not have gotten the young people to stop playing the music because they were doing what they do and nobody told them to stop. The decent thing for the police to do, but I use words decent and police mistakenly, but the decent thing to have been done is to let them finish the song. They were going to finish the song and either, as you say, arrest them on the way out or talk to them on the way out. Dude, we asked you to stop. Why didn't you stop? And he could then have said it was dark. I could not direct my band and they could not see me. These police have a bad habit of jumping to conclusions, especially when black people are involved. There's no such thing as the, quote, benefit of the doubt. There's no such thing. And I just, I'm trying to place myself in that stadium. At the end of a game, there usually is a fifth quarter, especially in the South where they love their bands. You know, and so people

continue to play. They wind down. They're not going to stay there all night. It was indeed a school night. So what was the harm of letting them finish? And I'm just thinking about what else was going on. Have people really been clearing the stadium? Usually after a game, you and I both know, people sit around and they chitty chat. Oh, you know, they beat their butts or whatever. But no one is rushing out of the stadium. They're moving in an orderly, probably slow fashion. And what's wrong with that?

I think these police officers totally overreacted. And the sister, the attorney, they should be placed on immediate administrative leave. There should be an investigation. And as Omokongo has said, these are young people who have been traumatized. They saw their leader essentially humiliated, essentially tased and taken to the hospital. What should they hope would ever happen to them? Well, see, the thing for me, Renita, is that, again, when the cops do these things, they end up costing taxpayers dot money.

And again, if they really felt that he was in the wrong, this is all you got to do. Y'all, just wait. When he get done, we're going to arrest him. This is the thing that I'm constantly saying. Too many cops, because they got a badge, because they got a gun, they escalate. The de-escalation would have been, okay, you want to keep disobeying us. Not a problem. Go ahead and finish y'all little song. I'm going to deal with

you in three minutes. Now, now, he could still be upset that he got arrested, but what you haven't done is you haven't tased him, you haven't acted a damn fool, and you did it very calmly, and then you go to court, and it's very simple.

Your Honor, DA whatever, we expressly told him multiple times. Got body camera footage, but that's the thing. Most of these cops, they don't remain calm. They show their asses. Well, and I disagree. Deescalation looks like just letting the man play the song. He should not have been arrested for anything that we... No, no, no, that's my point.

That is de-escalation. But what I'm saying, though, is... It's not de-escalation to have arrested him at all. What I'm saying is the problem is police officers with this attitude of, if you don't do what I say, that in itself is a massive crime, and we're going to use whatever force against you. What was the problem with just letting them play the one song? Process or no process, what should have happened

here is police should have said, okay, they asked him to leave, and he didn't. All they had to do was let the school know, because this band superintendent, this band director was from the visiting team, not the home team. So the home team band had already left. So if this really is a problem of them overstaying their welcome, this is something that could have been handled the next day between the two principals to say, hey, we'd like to shut down our field immediately after the game or within five minutes. You all overstayed your welcome.

Please don't do that again. This is something that did not require any sort of arrest. And it's just even more disappointing to me that once again, we see black police officers being involved in doing the brutalizing, which is exactly what we saw with Tyree Nichols. So I just think that we have to get away from this culture, which is very similar to Jim Crow of, hey, black people, if you do not do what I say, even in situations where it doesn't even matter, like this one, I mean, it wasn't like the guy was robbing a house. He was playing a song.

Then we're going to brutalize you and arrest you. Because honestly, I would have been upset even if they had arrested him. Because what is the problem? They're playing a song. This was not some sort of public safety issue where if they didn't leave immediately, people were going to be at risk. It's just escalation for no reason. Yeah.

And again, there's a way you can handle this thing. And a way to handle this thing is very simple in terms of if you do not have an established procedure, if you don't have any of that, it's clear that that's what was needed. It's clear that, you know what, we need to have this so we know how to operate and move in the future. To me, I don't understand it. I don't get why they chose to take this course of action. And it's probably going to cost the city a lot of money. And I'm sure Mayor Randall Woodford is like, what the hell?

Why am I having to have to deal with this nonsense right now? All right, folks, hold tight one second. Got to go to break. We come back. Lots of stuff we want to talk about. Jan Winter, founder of Rolling Stone, showing he's a racist asshole. He literally said that,

yeah, I'd include any blacks in my new book because they simply don't know how to articulate. Really? Now he's apologizing. Now he's apologizing. Now he's apologizing. Also, Jerry Jones says he will walk across Texas in order to help minorities become owners of the NFL. After he was named in a lawsuit by Jim Trotter,

a former black reporter for the NFL Network. Kind of timely, Jerry, kind of timely. We'll discuss all of that right here on Roller Mark Unfiltered on the Black Star Network back in a moment. Hatred on the streets, a horrific scene, a white nationalist rally that descended into deadly violence. Blood and soil, you will not replace us. White people are losing their damn lives.

There's an angry pro-Trump mob storming the U.S. Capitol. We're about to see the rise of what I call white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial. This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson at Emory University calls white rage as a backlash. This is the rise of the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys.

America, there's going to be more of this. This country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and its attitudes because of the fear of white people. The fear that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're taking our women. This is white people. On a next A Balanced Life with me, Dr. Jackie. We're going to be talking about common sense. We think that people have it, know how to use it, but it is something that people often have to learn. The truth is most of us are not born with it, and we need to teach common sense, embrace it, and give it to those who need it most, our kids. So I always tell teachers to listen out to what conversations the students are having about what they're getting from social media. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun?

Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated

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I'm Dr. Robin B., pharmacist and fitness coach. And you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. Well, ain't this timely. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, one of the owners named in Jim Trotter's discrimination lawsuit against the NFL, now says that, you know what? There should be more minorities

who are owners in the NFL. Hmm. Now remember, this is what Jim Trotter quoted Jerry Jones as saying in his lawsuit. Quote, if blacks feel some kind of way, they should buy their own team and hire who they want to hire. Now Jones is singing a different tune. He made some comments to reporters about what he would do and how he is going to work to get more minority owners.

Keep in mind, the Washington Post did a big old story on him a few months ago. And, you know, Jared Jones is literally one of, he is arguably the most influential NFL owner. And he also huge Republican, conservative. One of those folks who was full of crap when it came to Colin Kaepernick, so-called standing with his players. We all know now that that was nothing but a PR move. And so now Jones, and he's still denying, he's still denying that he was somehow involved, that he made this comment just the other day. But that's what you're seeing.

Now, here's the thing that's also interesting. Jerry Jones, when he was asked about this, he talked about how, oh my goodness, it was just so difficult for him, just so difficult for him to buy the team. And, you know, he really couldn't afford it. And then actually what he said is he would carry Magic Johnson, piggyback, walk across Texas to get more black NFL owners. Let me see if I can pull this story up about in the fourth, Fort Worth star telegram.

Let me see right here. So here is the, give me one second. I just want to show y'all. Here we go. Let me find this comment. So go to my, go to my iPad. In this piece, they're talking about the fact that the NFL has no black majority

owners among its 32 teams, only three black head coaches, 60% of the league, black. Spent a lot of time talking to them, showing them and talking to them about how they could get in the NFL, Jerry Jones told Clarence Jones of the league, black, spent a lot of time talking to them, showing them and talking to them about how they could get in the NFL, Jerry Jones told Clarence Jones of the Star Telegram. Multiple ways to address inequity, multiple ways to go do it. And certainly, I would think about one way to try to work to get ownership improved in the minority area.

And I'm all for it, and I do it. I work at it. I work at it. I work at it. First of all, this quote don't make no sense whatsoever. Don't make any sense whatsoever. Okay? Makes no sense. Again, this is the article.

Go back to it. Jones understands the financial hurdles that have impacted blacks from gaining ownership, most notably the rising cost of NFL franchises and league rule that a majority must put down 30% of the cost. Nobody got in on a wing and a prayer any more than I did. And I really couldn't afford it. But I got into it. And as we look and see, and we do see, the qualified potential buyers out here that can get involved, and that's one way. You know the financial hurdles for everything that's gone up, but percentage-wise, there are qualified people out here. If they aren't here this minute, they're on their way because that's what's happening in this country.

And many of the people that recently have gotten involved in the NFL might not have been able to do it 20 years ago. So continuing to share thoughts and ideas with other people about being involved and from the ownership is something that I can speak to. He brings up Magic Johnson. Of course, he was part of the Washington Commanders ownership. He goes, quote, Magic is a great ambassador and I carry him piggyback to get him in the NFL. Jones says it's very important to have continued dialogue and discussions about diversifying the NFL's ownership ranks and believes his comments to try to reward him is represented. It's very important. We want that. We work at it.

Really, that was the intent. My intent when we were talking, and I regret that with Jim, I do. I really do because he's a friend. I love the National Football League. I love football. And if we can improve it by having people that aren't in ownership today in ownership, I'll walk across Texas to do it. So, Julia, anybody reading those comments, listening to those comments, would likely say, that's some bullshit. I'm working at it.

I'm working at it. No, I really do. It's important. Boy, bye. The man sounds unhinged. Boy, bye. The man sounds unhinged. Boy, bye. He sounds totally unhinged. No, he sounds defensive. But also unhinged because the stuff

that, what he's saying does not make any sense. Yes, he sounds extremely defensive, but I mean also disconnected and the visual of him carrying magic piggyback anywhere just has to make you totally crack up. The fact is that this man was a racist, is a racist, is going to be a racist.

He's saying the right things because he's in a lawsuit and he has to say the right things. We know what the structure of the NFL is. We know how challenging it's been, first of all, just to get head coaches, not to mention ownership. And so give me a break. If they want to do something from an economic perspective to make sure that there is African-American ownership, there are a number of things they could do. Qualified African-Americans could get loans from the NFL at a subsidized interest rate to buy in. Of course, there'd be a vetting process.

That's one thing they can do. We've seen things like that done in the past. Or they can relax their rules so that there could be a larger consortium of African-Americans because now these teams are going for five, six billion dollars. You know, he's what he says is going to happen soon. He's waiting for the black billionaire and the black billionaire may not want to be the one to spend his money on an NFL franchise. Some of y'all go crazy over the nfl i don't give a whatever um but what i do care about is the equity piece of this and the fact that this un uh aspected i mean he just seems unhinged well just i i want us i want us on the Congo to understand a few things.

And what I want us to understand here is that, and people don't, I think, fully get it. Roger Goodell is the commissioner of the NFL. Roger Goodell is an employee. He can make $50 million. He is an employee. The people that run the NFL are the 32 owners. And what Jerry is trying to do here, and this is key,

Jim's lawsuit talks about not his ownership. Jim's lawsuit talks about lack of black executives in the NFL. Lack of black executives at the NFL network. And so, and this is why I want people to understand, don't fall for the banana in the tailpipe. Jerry wants us to now reverse field and go, oh,

here's what Jerry is going to do for owners. The quote that Jim quoted him was, if y'all want to see some changes, go get your own owners and then they can go hire who they want to hire. So Jerry knows

there are not going to be any black NFL owners. He knows this. Y'all, the Commanders, the Broncos, NFL franchises are now going for $5 and $6 billion. Let's just say $5 billion. Okay? You got to put up 30%.

That means you, black man, black woman, you by yourself, you got to put up or show a billion five. Yep. He knows the game. Nah, nah, Jerry. You don't want to deal with what Jim talked about is y'all are unwilling to hire black people as team presidents, as general managers, as heads of player personnel,

as head coaches, and in the front office of the NFL. And that's primarily led by Jones. I mean, this man is so slick. I mean, when you're talking about Kaepernick and the whole thing with the knee, he was slick to make sure that he took a knee with the team before the anthem was played, but then at the same time said, no one will put a knee down and still stay on my team. He's very good at performative statements and comments.

He's one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful owner in the NFL. He clearly had the ability and the wherewithal to put an infrastructure in place to start to lead towards any type of Black ownership. The only non-White ownership is with the Panthers, with the Khan couple, when we see that. And so with Jerry Jones, and also that lawsuit also has stories of so many other racist statements that he said and the Buffalo Bills owner, you know, allegedly saying, you know, go back to Africa if you don't want to play. And so this stuff is about to really hit the fan.

And I think Jerry Jones knows that some of these things that have been said about him and alleging this lawsuit, I think some of them are going to come out and be proven to be true. And so he's trying to get ahead of it by saying that he's always been about this. But like you said, when you started the show tonight, never had a Black coach and never had, you know, the leadership at different levels. He has never been about it, but he understands in our society now, especially after they found him in that rally, you know, back in the days in the civil rights movement, he was on the wrong side of that rally. He's been very good at putting out little snippets that he knows the media is going to run with because most of these networks are not doing

in-depth conversations and in-depth fact-checking on calling out his entire history. He could have been put a system in place for Black ownership, but he knows that this will rule the day for a few days, a few hours. We're not going to let it go. But he knows that the main spokes, ESPN and all of these guys, they're going to let it go. But I'm glad this lawsuit is out because a lot of these people are finally being called out for so many of their racist tendencies for decades, probably led by Jones. Renita, we ain't falling for that banana tailpipe.

Bottom line is, Jerry, you ain't escaping this. And, first of all, Conn is the owner of the Jaguar, not the Panthers. But two, the reason he can't escape this, they can't force Jim Trotter to go to arbitration or mediation. They want this to go to court. They can do it with coaches and players. They can't do it with Jim Trotter being a reporter for the NFL Network. Well, and so I don't support the NFL

because there's just too many problematic things about the NFL that I just can't bring myself to support the NFL. But y'all correct me if I'm wrong on this. I seem to remember about a decade ago where the cost of purchasing or buying into an NFL or owning an NFL team was not what it was today. And so there were actually black people who had the money and could qualify to purchase these teams, and they were just not being let in for some reason that, you know, was not being actually told to them as to why they were not being allowed to purchase. Did that happen or no? Because that's what I thought I read.

No. No, because even then, could nobody black afford to get an NFL franchise? Okay. Okay, because his comment really just sounds kind of condescending where he's saying, well, some parts of it he's saying, well, there's black people who are working up to this amount who might be able to afford it. And then, of course, the carrying Magic Johnson on his back piggyback.

I mean, I would like to see if there's going to be a response from Magic Johnson to him saying this because all of it, the entire comment was condescending. Nope. And we know what his original comments were, and I think that his original comments are how he really feels, and he's just trying to walk it back. Nope.

You're not going to see Magic comment, especially now that he is even as a minority owner in the NFL club. Trust me, you're not going to hear anything being said. All right, y'all. Hold on tight one second. We come back. What's it like being black? I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes, but there's a company dedicated to

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This is your boy, Herb Quaid. And you're tuned in to... Roland Martin, y'all. It's Saturday night. You and some friends are meeting up for dinner and checking out some jazz entertainment. You're enjoying the evening. You're still ordering drinks. All of a sudden, they say,

yo, yo, yo, you have to go. Y'all taking way too long. That actually happened to a group of black folks eating at a restaurant called Dove Coat in downtown Orlando. The manager, Kyle Tazioli, called the cops on a party of five to have them removed.

Another patron left a review on Google and said they were told the cops were called because the black folks refused to pay their $600 bill, which actually had been paid. Yeah, straight up. Now, pull a video up, y'all.

I need to hear the audio. I'm just letting you know, it is what it is. We can't really do what they want to because it's private property. Guys, I don't understand. We understand, but to let you know that we haven't done anything other than sit here, enjoy our meal, pay whatever is is due and just have a good evening oh did he yeah The thing that y'all are looking for is outstanding. They said they can't stand it. Okay. I mean, if anything, what I would do, if I were you guys, I would bring a hire to him. Just call on Monday or what is it tomorrow?

Probably Sunday. He might not have an address. Call on Monday and go hire him. That's what I would do because they want you to trespass right now. And it's better to honestly leave before it's on paper than you can't ever come back. Don't know if you ever would. We'll never come back. But't know if you ever would. We'll never come back. But you get what I'm saying.

But I would call, ask for like a manager. Go ahead and trust them. Trust them because I don't want to come back. But I want to have that documentation of what they've done. I'll see if they want to come back. And they are? But either way, we can get the case number and then if you guys want to buy it, then we can get it for you.

Because I want to have it on documentation because I will take this a little bit further given what we're dealing with right here. Well, even if we don't get that on paper, I'll give you the case number in case you guys want to get this pulled public record. Yeah. So instead of getting it on paper and all that because then that goes into like city records. Is it really going higher?

Is it dead? You what? Going higher? Is he dead? You what? Going higher? Is he dead? No, no, I'm taking it. I mean, I deal with everybody. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. As far as arrest or what? My thing is that I'm in good with the mayor's office, everything else.

There's a lot of volunteer stuff that I do. He doesn't understand the position that I have. And what he's done, I would definitely bring this up very quickly. That's your best. Whatever it is that you have, bring it in. Force of action, I don't know. That's your best way to go about it. And I always tell people, too.

He didn't even try to come talk to us. He was like, if you don't leave him, we'll call the cops. And he is weaponizing. I mean, come on, in this day and age, he truly is weaponizing the cops. Honestly, that's really good. Have you been recording since he... All right, folks, joining us right now is Leon Gant and Stephanie Tolbert. Both of them were two of those folks kicked out.

Glad to have both of you on the show. First off, Leon and Stephanie, so how many of y'all were actually at the restaurant? There were five of us, Roland. Leon and his wife, Heather, and Kevin Ballinger and his wife, Kendra, and then myself. And I made this reservation about a month ago on Open Table. And I did it because this group, Take Five, was going to be there. And that's how I found the venue. And nowhere on the open table site, nowhere on the restaurant site, was there any notification or documentation of a time limit on how long we could dine. And so we were never told that when the hostess took us to our table,

when the waiter took our order we were never given any kind of timeline so this was just all just a surprise so they claimed there was a time limit Roland we were never given any type of time. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm saying this. I'm just trying to understand. Are they claiming that there's a time limit for each table? Yes.

Okay. So have you seen that? Was it on the door? Was it on a stand at check in? Was it on the menu? So was it posted anywhere that there was a so-called time limit? No, sir. No time limit.

Not posted, not told to us. Gotcha. How long were y'all there? For the time where they first started to come and try to usher us out, maybe, maybe an hour, maybe an hour and a half. Hour 15 minutes, hour and a half. Okay, so this restaurant y'all were at, they had live entertainment? Maybe, maybe an hour, maybe an hour and a half, hour 15 minutes, hour and a half. Okay. So this restaurant y'all were at, they had live entertainment?

Yes, sir. So typically, I mean, I've been to a lot of places where they actually have live entertainment. And when they do, you're like there for a while. You're like two, two and and a half three hours because live entertainment right this i i am perplexed now now but we did reach out to um the owner um and we sent them an email uh and uh carol the owner's? That's who this is? Okay, so he said, Ms. Gant, can you please provide me with the name and phone numbers of the guests

who were part of this group from Saturday night, the two gentlemen in the video in particular? I would like to call them personally to understand what happened and have a cordial, polite conversation to discuss their concerns. Thank you for your consideration. That's what he sent to us.

Had y'all heard from him? Not at all. Not at all. What communication have y'all had with, has anyone contacted the owner? No, no. The only contact we had was with the owner's son, No. The only contact we had was with the owner's son and he was the one

who led the charge in getting us escorted out by the police. So were y'all actually escorted out? Well, I can tell you this, Roland. The police were very cordial.

They were very nice. They even said to us that we will walk out first so that it doesn't seem like we are escorting you out. However, because this is a private organization, we had to leave. But they were very nice. They said that we will walk out first so it doesn't seem like we are actually escorting you out. I'm just, I mean, again, and let me be real, let me, look, I know of, I know of some restaurants

that are extremely busy where they have reservations and look, they flip those tables and I know some places like I say, there are highly successful restaurants that actually do this. But what's crazy to me is for a manager to say this, and you literally have it nowhere posted anywhere, and it seems as if you just sort of made it up.

And the other thing is this here. There are date stamps on receipts. When those waiters put orders in, there's a time stamp on it. So y'all are able to show from the moment an order was placed

when you get your receipt how long you were there. Yes. What's your plan going forward? I can tell you this. First of all, it is an honor being on your show. So thank you very much for covering this. What I have done,

I reached out to some of the contacts I have here in Orlando, and they're giving me a list of attorneys that I'm going to contact. I also have some connections into the mayor office. And I know of one, a very good friend who was in charge of the discrimination department for Orlando. I've already sent her an email. I'm sure she's going to get back to me tonight. Um, but the,

for me, the end result is I would like a formal apology. number one. I would like our money returned. And then because I have my mom here, and I was talking to my mom about, again, she was – she grew up in Alabama and Jim Crow. And explaining this to her. And she was like, you know what, they really just tried to take your dignity. So what is the price of your dignity? And really, there is no price on that. But I truly I want to make it painful for them. successful and just that humiliation, embarrassment. And later we found out that that manager's son went around and told everybody that we were being escorted out because we couldn't pay our bill. Wow.

Yeah. It was just very humiliating, Roland. I mean, at the end of the day, we when we walked out to wait for the valet for the car, there was another family that had been approached by the event coordinator that they needed to leave as well. And we didn't get them on camera. But so this isn't something that was just isolated to us. There were some other black families that were impacted and they were celebrating their dad, the husband's birthday. It was just no excuse.

Again, we deal with these stories all the time. And unfortunately, this is what I always say. It is the reality of what it means to be black in America. Keep us surprised of this case and what happens next. And I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time. Have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution.

But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad.

It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1. it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on

June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Glott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way.

Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug ban.

Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working, and we need to change things. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them.

It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Carol, my producer, will be sure to forward y'all Rob's email and phone number,

the owner, so y'all can have that conversation. Awesome. Roland, thank you very much. I appreciate the owner so y'all can have that conversation. Awesome. Roland, thank you very much. I appreciate the time. I appreciate it. Thank you so very much. You know, Renita, this is, I mean, we do these stories all the time. All the time. And it's just,

and this is what people don't understand. It's hard being black in this country and you just trying to go enjoy a meal and some damn jazz, and you still got to deal with some BS. Absolutely. The point you're making is a point that everybody should see from this, which is that black people in society always have to be on guard. You can't even just go out to dinner and enjoy jazz music

because you run the risk of being put out of a restaurant because you are black. This also makes the point of why black media is so important. I'm glad you're covering this story because I have not seen this covered by any other news outlet. And if it were not for this show, I think a lot of people would not be even aware that this had happened. And you heard the two, the folks who you were just interviewing, they said that another black family was put out.

So this is like a pattern. I think kudos to the police. They handled the situation exactly the way that they should have. They did not escalate. They understood that, you know, they should not have been called out for this. And they tried to keep things very fair, giving them the opportunity to make sure that they were not even embarrassed

by this incident. And so I think that, you know, the point you made earlier about with there being live music, when you have live music, that encourages people to sort of hang around and that turns your restaurant into a little bit of a hangout place. And so nothing about this story really makes any sense as to why they were asked to leave, because typically restaurants that have a time limit of how long you can stay, they tell you that up front when you make the reservation, they tell you that when you sit down.

And as you heard from the guests, they said that they were not informed of any of that, and we know why they were asked to leave. Omicongo. This is going to escalate for many reasons, but one of the things that I'm thinking, because it's Florida and what's going on in the country, like the brother said to the cops, in this day and age, this is what you're doing. This is, you know, Ron DeSantis-tan, right? And people are going to take advantage of this to add to their propaganda machine. They're going to say, oh, we're pro-police. You know, they're going to take this to a level that it doesn't need to go to because they have nothing else to stand on. And that's why it's really important that we are covering this, because they're going to take this to a level that it doesn't need to go to because they have nothing else to stand on. And that's why it's really important that we are covering this because they're going to need our support.

That media machine, those politicians down there, I'm assuming that the owners of this restaurant are kind of well-connected with these types of people to feel like they can get away with something like this. So, yeah, I applaud the police, but I also applaud that group of five people in keeping their calm in situations like that. Because, like you said, being Black every day in America, we deal with so much. And sometimes we just had it. And we know what the consequences can be, but it's just too much. And so they kept

their composure in that particular situation. I'm very happy that the right cops showed up. Cops with de-escalation training kept their hands on their vests the entire time. Because all it could have taken, I think there were about three or four, maybe four or five cops there, Roland. All it could have taken was one wrong cop. And we could have had a situation just like we were talking about in the Alabama story at the beginning of the show.

And so I'm grateful on all of those fronts. But we shouldn't have to just be grateful for that. You know what, Julian, there's some people I see the comments, they're like, why we always be the calm one? But see, this is one of those situations why you sit there and you say, you know what,

we're going to be real calm because y'all ass is going to be cutting the check. You know, I have a notoriously bad temper. No, really? Yeah, really. And so I was talking with my therapist about, actually it was about a year ago

because something occurred on my campus and I kept my cool. And because she said, when you go off on people, you become the story. When you walk away, they become the story when you walk away then they become the story and actually one of my colleagues asked me at a brunch if i ordered the fried chicken and you know i was about that far from going off instead i was just like do you know that the provost's office ordered the food then the food comes back with but i saw you eating

fried chicken so i just put my hand up and walked away. But then when I was coming to Congressional Black Caucus, it was right before caucus, I was on the red eye and I was crying. I mean, tears were, I wasn't crying, sobbing, but tears were rolling down my face. And I said to myself, girl, what's going on? Went and looked in the mirror and said, you mad because you didn't go off on that Maryland farm.

So I ended up coming to my house in DC and writing that fool an 800-word memo that tore him about five new ones. I said, who are you? Buzzy Zoller, and I'm Tiger Woods. Dr. Myers says, when people tell you who they are, believe them. Oh, I went on. It was vintage. That was on a Wednesday. He quit on Friday. In the middle, HR had called. Everybody had called. But I don't like to be the calm one, but sometimes the calm one is much more effective. So this brother, the two that you interviewed, they were perfect, perfect. But these are Black professionals who are used to going out on the

town, listening to some music and just kicking back. I've been to restaurants that have a time limit, but they tell you when you sit down, the next seating is at 8 o'clock, which is, y'all got to be up out of here in a few, you know, by 7.45. But they tell you. You don't just pull that like a rabbit out of a hat when you think there are too many Black people in the restaurant that day.

I hope the brother... And I like the way he's going about it, very orderly. I hope that he sues. I hope that he gets... You know, here's something ironic, though, Rolla, real quick. This re... This very restaurant, the way he's going about it, very orderly. I hope that he sues. I hope that he gets—here's something ironic, though, Roland, real quick. This very restaurant, they tried to shut them down a couple years ago, and they filed for discrimination with the city. They said they had been discriminated against when, for some reason, some zoning reason, they were trying to

be shut down. So they know discrimination. They've experienced it and they have chosen to practice it. And not only shame on them, but with anybody in Orlando, don't go there no more. This is a perfect boycott opportunity. Oh, absolutely. And I think that

this is one of those things and let me remind people, y'all have heard me quote this on many occasions. If people would actually go back and read or listen to Dr. King's speech on April 3rd, 1968 at Mason Temple, Dr. King said point blank, we are not going to patronize places that do not respect us. And remember, Dr. King also said, remember he said, Jesse, what did you call it? We're going to redistribute the pain. So everybody who's listening, everybody who's listening, I want you to understand what that phrase redistribute the pain. So for the black folks who were sitting at that table,

who had to suffer the indignity, when you hit them in their pocketbook, and then when you tell other black folks, don't show up here, and then when you force them to apologize, you have now redistributed the pain. So to Julian's point, we talk about lashing out. I get lashing out. I get when you are angry and you're ticked off

and you want to jack somebody up. But there are also other times when you sit there and go, y'all don't worry about it, we good, because y'all ass is going to be paying. See, it's real simple. I've dealt with crazy folks at airlines who acted a fool

and who get smart with me, like the white woman in Las Vegas at the United Airlines counter, who said, oh, please call the CEO's office. I was like, oh, boo, trust me. I said, oh, please call the CEO's office. I was like, oh, boo, trust me. I said, oh, boo, trust me. You will be hearing from the CEO's office when I get done with you. Now, I could have showed my ass, but I wanted her to understand,

oh, no, no, no, you keep typing on your little computer there, whatever the report you're typing up, trust me there's going to be a problem on your end when I'm done. And so, absolutely. And so, what's the name of this restaurant again? Let me see. Hold up. What is it again? Dove Cote.

I wrote it down. Yep. Dove Cote. So, Dove Cote. So, if you're in Orlando, I see no reason why you should drive by Dove Cote. Until Rob, so here's what, what's his name? Rob, Bob, what's his name, Carol? Okay, so that's, so this is what I want to hear.

So Rob, I know you're watching. I know you're watching. So Rob, you're going to need to meet with the five of them. And y'all are going to have to come to an agreement. Then, Rob, my advice, you're going to need to come on this show to also explain to black folks then how you're going to fix this problem. How are you going to deal with your son? Because frankly, Rob, if we break this down and the waitress and everybody else start talking, your son should not be managing anywhere near that restaurant. And you need to be dealing with your son in some serious classes on how to actually be a manager.

So I can't wait to see what happens next. And we'll be looking forward to it. So, again, I want to thank our guest. We're going to go to a break. We come back. We're going to talk about racist Jan Winter Rolling Stone. He said he couldn't find no articulate black people talking about music. He need his ass whooped too.

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has a new book coming out where he talks about some of the best musicians of all time. The book is called Masters. It highlights the contributions of only white male artists. Now, Winner was interviewed in the New York Times about his book. And this is actually what he said to the New York Times about his book. And this is actually what he said to the New York Times. Black and female artists just don't articulate

at the level of their white male peers. Now again, the seven musicians, keep it right there, Bono, Bob Dylan, Jerry Garcia, Mick Jagger, John Lennon, Bruce Springsteen, Peter Townsend. Now, the reason that's interesting, that particular list right there, especially Peter Townsend, Because my man got some hits.

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on Apple podcast. It's true. on Apple Podcasts. History. My man got some history. He's, you know, he's with the Who, and he's made some interesting comments, you know, in the past. Go back to that list again. Pull it up.

I mean, first of all, he talked about articulate. I don't know about y'all. I don't understand shit that Bob Dylan says. I don't understand anything that Bob Dylan, I don't know what Bob Dylan talking about. So I don't know how I can call Bob Dylan. Hey, maybe it's generational. People talk about the greatness of Bob Dylan.

I ain't got a single Bob. Y'all know how I feel about music. I ain't got a single Bob Dylan song on my phone. Because I don't know what the hell he's saying. So I'm just trying to figure out how Bob Dylan is so damn articulate. That's just me. Well, y'all, things moved

real fast against Jan Winner. First of all, again, this story blew up big time. Folk began to talk about it. Now y'all know Jan issued

an apology. You know, it came today. But he was removed from the Rock Hall of Fame leadership after those particular comments. You can go to my iPad right here. I'm talking about y'all.

He got removed with the quickness. This was Saturday. Jan Winter has been removed from the board directors of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation, the Hall said Saturday, a day after his comments were published in the New York Times. Yep.

They were like, yeah, player, you got to go. They said, you got to go. In fact, I want to read the full quote, because we only had that quote. I want to read the full thing. So come on. Go back to my iPad. So when he was asked why he didn't interview women or black musicians,

he said, she didn't in my mind meet that test. Okay, first of all, you can't go interview Janis Joplin because she did. So we can't go talk to Janis Joplin because she gone, she dead. So I don't know how we're going to go talk to Janis Joplin. Okay, go back. He goes, of black artists, you know Stevie Wonder, genius, right?

I suppose when you use a word as broad as masters, the fault is using that word. Maybe Marvin Gaye or Curtis Mayfield. I mean, they just don't articulate at that level. So he's saying that A Marvin Gaye or Curtis Mayfield Or even a Stevie Wonder You couldn't consider them Masters of the craft Okay

Back to my iPad Winner through his publisher Apologized Okay, back to my iPad. Winner through his publisher apologized. In my interview with the New York Times, I made comments that diminished the contributions, genius, and impact of black and women artists, and I apologize wholeheartedly for those remarks. I totally understand the inflammatory nature and badly chosen words and deeply apologize

and accept the consequences. Oh yeah, your ass going to accept the consequences. See, what folk need to understand, Jan Winter ran Rolling Stone with an iron fist. All of these artists, all of these artists, they all want to be featured in Rolling Stone. Remember when they put these lists out of the best singers

or the top hip-hop folks? Then their arguments, how so-and-so on the list? So black folks are arguing over a list that white folks assembled. Really? So what Jan Winner is really showing you, this is what Jan Winner has been thinking all this time. All this time. And so you want to write a book called Masters.

How in the heck see y'all Rolling Stone named Aretha Franklin as the greatest voice America has ever produced and you putting a book together called Masters and Aretha not in it I mean from her singing to her understanding together called masters and Aretha not in it?

I mean, from her singing to her understanding of music, I mean, Aretha was a total package. But see, now I need people to understand when we talk about music and how other people are determining greatness. See, those of you who are watching understand something here. Now you begin to understand why you didn't have an appreciation for Little Richard

for Chuck Berry Bo Diddley in fact there was a video I saw who I need to find it and it was a conversation with Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Bo Diddley. And Elvis came up and they were talking about again, greatness and the music.

And folk need to understand why why Elvis was called the king of rock and roll because you had white folks who were deciding that and they were not going even black folk created all of this stuff they were never going to give black people the credit for them being geniuses. And Jane Winner makes this comment.

Y'all find that clip for me. I'm still looking for it as well. In fact, y'all might have remembered when Little Richard was at the Grammys And this actually happened At the Grammys in 1988 Watch this They take everything I get They take it from me

He can't get that though Wait a minute look at the hair I used to wear my I used to have these tags in mind look at it now shut up the nominees for the best new artists are oh you're sure you want me to say that I didn't understand nothing to say. I thought I wasn't going to say nothing. And the best new artist is me.

I have never received nothing. You all never gave me no Grammy. And I've been singing for years. I am the architect of rock and roll. You ain't never gave me that? And I am the originator. And I still say, whoo! And the winner is still me.

Good morning. I had to get that in. Being a Brian Drew from Georgia, I had to tell it too. So the year they actually gave Little Richard a lifetime Grammy, he wasn't allowed to accept it on stage. I remember that year. I remember taking a shot at Little Richard, and he almost didn't go to the awards ceremony. So I'm saying all of this so you can understand a Jan winner

and the BS that he was doing here. And it just speaks volumes on the Congo in terms of how they refuse to accept the greatness of black people. And then a Jan Winner writes a book called Masters and only includes white men. And it's a real good reminder, this winter story should be for all of us in terms of how they see us. When you look at, I mean, Rolling Stones founded it in 1967, and when you talk about people like Aretha Franklin, and you talk about Stevie Wonder, 25 Grammy Award winning Stevie Wonder, by the way, so we can talk about their artistry, but also their activism and their voice in terms of what they've meant for our people. And one of the other things we have to be mindful of is how is it that Rolling Stone still stayed at the top when it's also been

revealed that Winner was letting the people that he interviewed edit their own interviews, edit their own stories? You know, Lennon, Mick Jagger, like these different folks, is that journalistic excellence? So we have to be very mindful of who we're looking for approval for. Do we care more about the, you know, the Grammys and this or the Image Awards, right? We can't keep looking for other people to evaluate us and rate us at the level that we know that we are at. And I'm thinking about all of the people who should have been inducted into the Hall of Fame who, you know, maybe died or didn't get the recognition that they should have because somebody like this man was at the helm. And he's just one of many. You know, he's a story now, but we know that there are many like him. And quite honestly,

at the end of the day, when you think about what he said and what he's been able to get away with for so long, this has to be a wake-up call for us to judge ourselves, to respect ourselves, to call our greats the greats as we know them, and not let these other folks control the narrative. And I really would be disappointed if people continue to look at the Rolling Stone as the standard, given this situation and given this story and what else has come out. Because the clearly racist comments that he's made has definitely been part of his Rolling

Stones platform over the years. And just to let some black people come in and make some lists that go in his magazine, like you said, Roland, it's not enough. Our reaction to this is going to matter more than what he has done. Well, the thing that I'm always talking about is white validation. And, Frank, I don't need Jan Winters to validate black people.

But what you're not going to do is say who's inarticulate. This was the Ray Charles interview with Bob Costas where Elvis Presley came up and Ray Charles is on the money. ...more different kinds of music than you, that's obvious. But did you feel at the time in the 50s early 60s a resentment of some of the white performers who were copying R&B stuff and selling more records than you and your contemporaries were. I just didn't object to it. I just felt that the music just wasn't that good to care about.

That sounds terrible, doesn't it? Maybe some exceptions, though. I mean, Elvis was a talented guy. Well, okay. Not necessarily. You know better than I. Yeah. Let me ask it differently.

How good was Elvis? What Elvis did, he caused a lot of the populace, if you want to, and usually when people say populace, they usually mean white people, to start listening to a lot of music that normally they wouldn't have been listening to. I guess I'm going to lose at least about a third of my fans right now. But to say that Elvis was so great and so outstanding like they say he's the king, I got in trouble because one guy asked me this question and I said the king of? And he got mad at me. I don't think of Elvis like that because I know too many artists that are far greater than Elvis. I think Elvis was a person who came along at the right time.

Well, he was a white kid that could do rock and roll or rhythm and blues or whatever name you want to call it. And the girls could swoon over him. Nat Cole got in trouble in Alabama when the girls could swoon over him. And that cold got in trouble in Alabama when the women swooned over him. Got put out of town. And black people have been going out shaking their behind for centuries. What the hell is unusual about them shaking their hips and stuff? And that's all Elvis was doing was copying that.

And he was doing our kind of music. He was doing the Willie May Thorne jailhouse rock. That's black music. So what the hell am I supposed to get so excited about, man? But I think all this stuff about saying he's the king and he's the... Piece of bunk. Sorry. Next question.

Don't ask me no more about the others because you got me in enough trouble as it is. I think you covered it, though. I don't think a follow-up is necessary. Okay. All right. No lies told there, Julian. Hey, that was a great trial. Very inarticulate, if you will, Jan.

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In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug man. Benny the Butcher.

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It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Something we all know, talked about the black community, just like Little Richard all the time, about how our music has been copied. They get the awards and we don't. We don't get the recognition. But I'm with you, Roland. Who gives a you know what about what white people think and how white people feel and who who they're rating as the greatest. We know what the rate

the greatest is. And the record sales often reflect that. You don't see a lot of record sales for some of these pretenders and others. Jan Winner, however, the comment he made to The New York Times really does speak to where he's been coming from all this time. As you say, he ruled Rolling Stone with an iron fist. He determined which writers were published. He determined who was interviewed. He chose who to lift up and who to ignore. And now he's telling us why, because he didn't think much of Black people or women. Now, you know, white women need to have something to say about this as well, because how dare he, you know, kind of put down these white women who I happen to think of as relative icons, relative icons.

Again, Aretha B., my goat. So many others. Nina Simone, my goat. Of course, that's not rock and roll, but that's just truth and truth. But in any case, he's shown us who he is. And Doc Mai always says, when people tell you who they are, believe them. And so the Rock and Roll Foundation

acted appropriately and swiftly, and he does not need to be associated with anything that has anything to do with rock and roll. I don't believe in cancel culture, but I believe in silencing fools. And he has proven himself to be a fool. Before I get this final comment,

I did find the clip. This is Bo Diddley, Little Richard, and Chuck Berry. And if you thought Ray Charles was lit, check these three guys out. You know, the only song that I ever tried to sing is Maybelline. I get first the Cadillac up on the hill and then you let it go on up the hill by itself.

No, it went. Woo! We came along, the whole thing changed. All of a sudden we became a no-no. What is this? This is devil music. But, but, but, when, uh, well I say this.

It was still a little Jewish boy that got it over the country with Alan Freed, my favorite brother. He still got it over the country. And he did a good job. I love you, Alan. I love Alan. Because it wasn't anything that we were doing so wrong. It was just that people were so slow to accept change. You were black. Tell him again.

Will you tell him, man, again? You was black, and they didn't want that black image over the kids. You was a hero. Well, see, but the kids. Your kids was looking up to you, and they didn't want their kids looking up at their heads. What kids?

They didn't want the white kids looking up at this big old greasy black guy, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, out of Georgia, out of Mississippi, out of Chicago. They want their kids to see a little smooth white boy looking pretty and on duty and looking rooty, you know? And so here's a black guy out there singing and screaming and beaming and screaming. They said, no, no, no! The thing here, Renita, is very simple. Again, it is the denial of the greatness

of African-Americans. And then when you put it in a book form, then it becomes it's Jan Winner. Then it becomes the ultimate voice. Right, it's total erasure. And the comments that you brought up were exactly what I was thinking about, which is why it's so important for us to tell our history. then it becomes the ultimate voice. Right. It's total erasure. And the comments that you brought up were exactly what I was thinking about, which is why it's so important for us to tell our history,

because it is an indisputable fact that black people created rock and roll. Now, we can argue about exactly who came first and who gets the credit of being the actual creator, but it is well done. Black people. Sister, but I'm saying three people, no matter how you slice it, it's black folks. Because Sister Rosetta Thart who sang gospel music was the first

person to come along with an electric guitar and play those types of chords, which led to Little Richard being able to play those types of chords and putting it to secular music. And then along came Chuck Berry. So we can argue about which three, which one of them are the creator, but any way you slice it, it's still black folks. And so this stuff matters because even in the list of people

that he is saying that he interviewed for his book that is about rock and roll, those people even give credit to black artists for starting. And Mick Jagger talks about the influence that Little Richard had on his career. And so this stuff does matter. No, white validation does not matter, but it matters when it turns into money and resources. I was just telling a friend this weekend that it is a sad, sad fact that it is a sad, sad fact that Elvis and Pat Boone actually

made more money off of covering Tutti Frutti than Little Richard did. And that's insane because many people may not know the voice of Pat Boone, but people know what Elvis sounds like and they know what Little Richard sounds like. Now you just imagine the song Tutti Frutti as we all know it with Little Richard singing it, the creator of that. And you imagine Elvis singing that. And there's absolutely no comparison. But those two made more money than he did. And so this type of erasure is just

completely wrong. And I just think that his comments were so disgusting looking at the history of where rock and roll came from. And you're absolutely right. All right, folks, that is it. I appreciate it, Julian. I'm a Congo, as well as Renita. Thank you so very much. Folks, do me a favor. Be sure, if you're watching on YouTube, hit the Like button, folks.

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