#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Black Teen's Violent Arrest Goes Viral. Judge Restores Black Farmer Grants. xAI Pollution

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

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It's a typical afternoon with some teams riding their bikes for an unknown reason. A Waukesha police officer violently handles the black teen when he did not obey his commands to sit down. luckily Instagram user Sammy underscore star caught the interaction on video watch. Get your eye. You're off the docks. Nairi Smith captured more of what happened when more officers arrived on the scene. I can see it. He got you on it. Now, my producer called the Waukesha Police Department Chief Daniel Thompson.

She was told he was in a meeting. She left a contact information and the reason why she was reaching out. She also contacted the mayor and every city council member for comment on the incident to ask what led to such a response solely for the black teenager. Now, they did respond. And so give me one second. I want to pull this up here to show you what the response is. So give me one second. This is from the mayor. Give me one second. I'm going to, yeah, Alicia Halvinsblen is the mayor. and what she so she responded give me one second I want to take it out I'm going to take it out of the take it out of the email so just give me a second let me do this here they just responded to us and so here we go all right almost there folks okay paste it this paste it this in okay okay so this is the statement from

the mayor the city of Waukesha police department is aware of edited videos circulating on social media showing only a portion of an arrest involving a juvenile that occurred near Summit Avenue and Horroop Street Saturday July 11th at 440 p.m. our officers responded to multiple reports of disorderly behavior involving juveniles operating many bikes on public street sidewalks and through public park property while other complaints included unsafe and disruptive conduct. Furthermore, the juveniles were removing gas nozzles and damaging the interior of a gas station. This incident occurred in an area adjacent to recreational facilities frequented by families and

children, making public safety our immediate priority. The videos being shared online do not capture the totality of the incident or the circumstances officers encountered before force became necessary. As officers attempted to investigate and lawfully detain one of the juveniles, the individual repeatedly refused lawful commands and actively resisted arrest. Throughout the encounter, officers gave commands and attempted to gain voluntary compliance before using force to overcome the resistance and safely take the juvenile into custody. The city of Waukesha expects its police officers to perform their duties lawfully, professionally, ethically, and with respect for every person they encounter. Those are the standards our officers are trained to uphold, and those

are the standards by which we evaluate their actions. Just as importantly, our community also expects individuals to comply with lawful orders issued by police officers. Voluntary compliance is always our preferred outcome, and it is how the overwhelmingly majority of police encounters are resolved. However, when an individual actively resists lawful detention or arrest, officers have both the legal authority and the professional obligation to bring that resistance to an end. Choosing not to act in those circumstances would compromise public

safety, diminish accountability, and fail the community's expectation that the law be applied fairly and consistently. No police officer is expected to simply walk away from unlawful conduct because an individual refuses to comply, allowing active resistance or assaultive behavior to dictate whether an arrest occurs, replace officers bystanders, and the individual involved at greater risk while encouraging further lawless behavior. Because this incident involves a juvenile, Wisconsin law prohibits the release of the juvenile's identity or confidential juvenile records while we cannot discuss proud juvenile matters we can say that officers actions were based on the circumstances they faced during this

incident and their legal responsibility to protect the public and enforce the law as with every reportable use of force incident the department has conducted a comprehensive review to ensure the officers actions were consistent with department policy we remain committed to transparency accountability and maintaining the trust of the community we serve and again as you see that's the mayor Alicia Halvinsblen mayor city of Akeesh. Okay, all right. So let's go to my pound. Dr. Mustafa Santiago Lee, former senior advisor for environmental justice at the EPA joining us from D.C., Randy Bryant, entrepreneur, author, speaker from Washington, D.C. as well. Dr. Katrina Gamble, CEO, soldiering strategies out of D.C. I'd like to have all three of you here. I'm going to start with you, Mustafa. Here's the issue that the mayor didn't address. So in her statement, she says there were multiple purported.

of this orly behavior involving juveniles. Mm-hmm. Operating many bikes on public streets, sidewalks, through public property. They were removing gas nozzles. They, plural. Okay. So the question then becomes,

why was the black juvenile, the only person, accosted? Hmm. Well, I can't speak for the officer or the mayor, but we do know that some of the bisoners The bystanders also said that there were white kids who were there as well. The other thing is that, you know, nobody said that these were the children, because they are children, who were involved in...

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We do know organizations like the sentencing project have shared based upon the statistics and the research that they've been able to do that black youth are four times more likely to actually be detained or to be arrested than white youth. So that statistic is really interesting just because. based upon what the bystanders were saying that there were both black kids and white kids, and maybe there were other types of kids who were there. But this is the only individual who was, you know, unfortunately arrested. Some would say his rights were violated. And a number of other types of things you can see based upon the video there, some folks could say he was

brutalized. So officers are supposed to serve and protect. They also have discretionary. powers to be able to just have a conversation with someone. They don't have to put their hands on them. The other thing that we know as I close out is the fact that in many instances they don't see our children as children, but they see them as adults. And even if it was an adult, you still should not be violating their civil rights or their human rights. But they dehumanize. They don't give the benefit of the doubt. Often there's no proof. So they feel that they feel So they figure that they can detain, they can arrest, and then figure things out later on. And that is not the paradigm that they operate from when it comes to white kids.

Randy, again, okay, mayor, were the officers wearing body cams? If so, release the body cams. You can block out the juvenile's face so we don't actually see it. But if you want us disbelieve that these two videos don't show all that happened, okay, release the video. Dash cam, body cam. Right, and you know they always hesitate to do that. The chances of us ever seeing that video are small

unless we have to get, you know, somewhat a lawyer involved. And they take advantage of the fact that sometimes we don't have the resources to hire an attorney and compel them to release the evidence. And so they get away with treating our kids less than human. You know, it was so hard to watch. 14-year-old child and I counted eight police officers and they said I think there were six cars, five or six cars for a 14-year-old child who was riding a bicycle. And that that is the way our children are being treated because they don't see him as a child. They see him as an animal.

I don't even think they see us as people, which is just extraordinarily disturbing. Also, that whole idea of them trying to de-escalate a situation. It seems as if when they see us, that automatically gives them cause to act as if they're scared. They can claim that they had to use aggressive force because they're afraid just simply for us existing, simply just for the color of our skin. That's how they react.

And how they feel comfortable, as I watch this repeatedly, how they felt that this was right to do all of these officers surrounding one 14-year-old child. It's unbelievable to me. It just shows how they do not see us again as human. Again, Katrina, for me, this is very basic. And that is, if you say that juveniles were engaged in this behavior,

why was only one juvenile targeted? And if there were cameras, release it. Release it. Look, I remember when the sister got pulled over in Texas, and I mean, I frankly felt that she was being too extra. I felt that her behavior and people disagree. But so I don't always just see him and say, oh, no, every black person, you're absolutely right. If he was disobeying commands, if he wasn't following what they were saying, fine, show us. Right.

And two things on this, Roland. One, to your point, the reports were for juveniles, plural, and they were obviously only targeting one child that was there on the street, and the mayor did not address that at all in what they sent to you. And two, to this point, this was a child riding a bicycle, and you could even see without them, right, they didn't pull up the video, to your point, if they have dash cams or cameras on their body cams, they didn't show that information, but you could see even in the statement that they sent you that they were trying

to twist a narrative, right, that, oh, this is how we respond to this, to when people resist or assaultive behavior. We all watched that video. There was no assaultive behavior by that child. The only assault that was going on were the police to this child. And so it's not only not only about how they responded in that moment, it's also immediately the narrative that gets, starts getting twisted and painted to paint a picture of who was in the wrong, who was in the right, who deserves dignity in the moment to what both of the other panelists said. They were treating this child like he was not human and that he had no rights. And that's why it's so important for us to capture these moments ourselves because we can't

trust what they're reporting and we can't trust that the full story will get told if we're not telling it ourselves. Well, I think back to one of the first cities that got body cameras and it was a city was in California. And I'm looking for that city. And what was interesting is that when they got the body cameras, you had almost a 70% reduction in it was Rialto California right here was right I remember this so this is 2012 Rialto reported an 88% reduction in complaints against law

enforcement officers and and so again my our hope and positions is here that's why you have body cameras and so if if the kid was wrong okay release it but you haven't released it, it begs us to ask the question, why? Why? So, mayor, let us know with that video is available. We will love to air it and see what happens. All right, folks, we come back. We're going to talk about white progressive in Michigan, rankling members of the congressional black caucus. We'll tell you about that. And also, black farmers get a win against Donald Trump and with a continued attack, a geopolitic attack, war on black America. We'll talk about all of that next right here. Rolla mark on the Filtered on the Blackstone Network.

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The grants are part of the increasing land capital and market. access program, which the Biden administration established through the American Rescue Plan and the Inflation Reduction Act. This program aims to support underserved black farmers by providing resources such as down payment assistance, low interest loans, technical guidance, equipment, infrastructure development, succession planning, and improve market access. In March, the Trump administration terminated 49-150 grants, citing concerns about what they described as discriminatory preferences related to diversity, equity, and inclusion, as well. as allegations of wasteful spending.

Sharon Mallory, executive director of the 2020 Farmers Cooperative, a party to the lawsuit, and one of the attorneys representing the farmers, David Maraskin, the managing director of litigation at Farm Stand, join us now. Glad to have both of you here. David, I'll start with you from a legal standpoint. The judge dismiss that nonsense from the Trump folks.

Well, what it did was it enjoined the, terminations and put a preliminary injunction in place and we're moving to the permanent to do which was restore sustainable farming across the country and so Sharon obviously this is a win because listen black farmers have been under attack not only the first time this the first time Trump was there the second time and again, this is just the latest example of them just slapping DEI on anything. Yeah, Roland, thank you for having David and myself here both. And yes, make it make sense.

I think that's my biggest thing. Make it make sense. But we might not always like how the blessings are come, but it is a blessing to have the grants restored. It will allow us to really focus and move forward and help small-scale farmers across the country. You know, the 2020 Farmers Co-op is really unique in that we go from north, south, east, and west. We go above the Mason-Dixon line and west of the Mississippi. So we're totally inclusive in our focus, and our mission in trying to assist small-scale farmers be able to scale up and compete in this agricultural industry.

We just don't buy into the go big or go home. Farmers have been here for a long time. David, Judge Beeryl Howell ruled that the plaintiffs would likely succeed their legal claims and said they would suffer irreparable harm if the funding got canceled. You know, this is for all those people who were whining and complaining during the Biden-Harris administration saying, oh, these federal judges don't matter. He's a perfect example of they do. Yeah, I think the law really matters here because what happened was the Trump administration said simply because money was money was. is going to help people of color, that meant that it was necessarily discriminatory.

And that's really a concern and ridiculous, right? If money is going to help people who need it, as Congress intended, the Trump administration can't roll that back. And that's what the court said here, and that's what we've been trying to do and stand with groups like 2020 Farmers Co-op. But this is more than just any specific legal issue.

It's also about making sure that there's a platform for farmers and people who needed to get back to where they are. to compete in the market and have an alternative to the major corporations, just like Sharon just said. You know, Sharon, as I sit here and go through this 37-page ruling, the thing that jumps out is Trump is running around here, gallivaning, talking about, oh, how he's helping farmers. No, he's helping white farmers. Their actions are punitive against black and other minority farmers.

Okay. Roland, Roland, I'm going to say it again. Make it make sense. sense. But I think what we're at right now is we have to understand that you can pick a color, whatever color you want it to be. There's one commonality in this whole issue, and that is farmers create food that we eat every single day. And we need to stay focused on that. We need to acknowledge that our food system is very frail, and we need to understand that small-scale farmers across the board, pick a color. Doesn't matter. Small-scale farmers are, are here to be solutions to our farming crisis. And if we don't accept that, we're only going to dig ourselves further and further into a hole,

and we're going to see the price of things go up, and we just need to be very focused. And that's where the 2020 Farmers Co-op really wants to stay is center of this. We're going to let David and the legal types handle the legal aspect, but we're trying to get our farmers geared back up and say, okay, let's dust ourselves off, refocus, and move forward. You know, one of the things I'm reading this, David, the judge writes, defendants overstate the perceived increased burden posed by adding plaintiffs to the compilation and production of the administrative record, given that the new plaintiffs asserts the same, what on my iPad, asserts the same alleged pattern and practiced by defendants in the same grant program already at issue. I mean, what was interesting was she's just going here, and she is just eviscerating the Trump Department of Justice or the U.S. USDA and just showing how just utterly ridiculous their arguments are.

Well, one of the things we're trying to do in this case is show that these terminations are not just isolated instances, but they're part of a pattern by which the Department of Agriculture set out to terminate grants that the administration thought it could label as objectionable. So we have documents that suggest that what happened was the Department of Agriculture searched for things like DEI or, or, underserved. And if it had a... Hey, I'm Ruby Carr, the host of the podcast, Oncour. Check out our brand new episodes featuring music from the show that everyone is reheating as we speak.

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The grant would be terminated. Similarly, if the grant had the terms in it like climate or climate change or environmental justice, the grant would be terminated. And that's what really the court's getting at is that these groups are trying to operate and do the best they can to provide services that Congress said everyone needs. And we as a society need to take back our food system from corporate giant. who control it and put it in the hands of the people on the ground. And what the Trump administration did is rather than allowing that to play out,

they engaged in these culture wars through ham-handed efforts to label anything that they could find to be objectionable, discriminatory, whatever label they thought could capture the attention of their base. I love this here, Sharon. The judge says, land access program planers are lucky to succeed on their claim if the grant terminations were contrary to. law. This court has previously recounted that the land access program originated with section 1006 of the American Rescue Plant Act entitled USDA assistance and support for socially disadvantaged farmers, ranchers, forest land owners, and operators and groups which appropriated funds for supporting the designated

people or groups. The 2022 Inflation Reduction Act amended that section and appropriated funds for programs to benefit underserved farmers, ranchers, or forest landowners, including veterans, limited resource producers, beginning farmers and ranchers, and farmers, ranchers, and forest landowners living in high poverty areas, and to provide financial assistance to farmers, ranchers, or forest landowners, determined to have experienced discrimination prior to January 1, 2021, in Department of Agriculture Farm lending programs. As a result, the statute employs the terms socially disadvantaged multiple times and defines this term as meaning people who have been subject. to racial or ethnic prejudice because of their identity as members of a group without regard to their individual qualities. Nevertheless, defended still, quote, attempt to recast the statute as one that contemplated aid to growers based purely on financial status,

a position previously determined to have not, to have been not credible. So what jumps out here is here, here was the Biden folks being very, explicit as to who can qualify. And the Trump folks are like, oh yeah, we're just gonna just wipe them out. No, we ain't helping nobody black. Where they said, no, people who actually experience racial discrimination in this program prior to 2021.

Yeah, Roland, I think when you, when you read that, I was thinking to myself, what is it that you didn't understand? The language was very clear, and I think the judge did a great job in articulating that. But once again, I want to remain focused because this is larger than a specific racial group. And yes, we all understand the tragedies, the atrocities that have been placed upon black farmers.

But if we go down this rabbit hole of letting somebody distract us, and this is what I think this is, is a distraction. The blessing is well received. I am so glad that these dollars have been restored. it will give us a little bit a wind beneath our wings, and we can hopefully flourish. Not even hopefully. We will flourish. Just give us a little bit,

and let's show us the difference, because I think we are powerful as a group of small-scale farmers, and if we're giving this opportunity to prove ourselves, I know for a fact we can help local communities. I just don't understand what the issue was. Oh, I do. Who doesn't want to go without eating? Oh, I know exactly what the issue is, David.

This is administration that, again, has a war on black people. They want to wipe out any particular issue program that somehow benefits or actually provides equity to African Americans and others. This is not just in USDA. It is across the board. It is in every single governmental agency. And this is why we have got to have lawyers who are attacking. these folks in court. You've got to have folks in court. You've got to have folks in corporate. You've got to have folks on the grassroots who are on the streets and politics as well,

because this is a wholesale attack. It is not just targeting black farmers and USDA. It is targeting black people in every federal agency. David, final comment. I think Sharon really said it well. This is more than just about a USDA attack against a particular group, but it's about a government that's turned itself over to corporate interests and not let us lead the groundwork to have an alternative system. And that certainly is negatively impacting black farmers, but it's negatively impacting lots of people, too. This, they, Trump administration thought it could throw red meat by attacking black farmers here and attacking groups that said they were trying to support people on the ground who needed it.

But really what's going on is they're keeping us from having a food system that is in corporate control. And there's a lot of overlap in our history and in our present day between racial bias and corporate control. And I think you're seeing that go hand in hand here in terms of favoring corporate control and having racial bias be a tool for that.

All right, then. Well, congratulations and keep up the fight. David Moreskin, as well as Sharon Mallory. Thanks a lot. Thank you, New Orleans. Listen, what we have to just understand here, is that you're going to see more of this. Again, they are attacking everything.

We keep trying to explain to people why voting in November is critically important. We keep walking people through and connecting the dots. I know there are people out there who are saying, okay, you know what? None of this stuff impacts me. I'm just living my life. I'm just trying to survive.

But the reality is, guess what? There are black farmers who have who have families who are trying to survive as well. And this goes beyond. This is in this area. We're going to later show you this back and forth with Congresswoman Summer Lee and Robert of Kennedy Jr. Dealing talking about the issue of black maternal health and what happens by not trying to use

word black. And Katrina, we had you on talking about, again, the survey, y'all did. I just need people to understand what's going on here, that black folks had better understand that these people have unfettered political control for another two years. The stuff that they're going to wipe out is going to be enormous. And even if a Democrat wins in 2008, it's going to take, to be perfectly honest, a decade or two to restore the things that Donald Trump and MAGA has destroyed in the last two. years. No, absolutely. It's definitely we I think people have already seen the the impacts of this

administration. And the one thing when I was reading about this particular story was the complete erasure of history. There are so many instances in this country where black farmers have had to sue the USDA because of discrimination. So this idea that there's some problem with moving grants and resources to a population of farmers who have for honestly decades and decades have been pushing back against discrimination is is ridiculous honestly and and I agree with you Roland there is a lot of work for us to make sure people understand the the consequences of this election and creating ways in which people can begin to find ways to engage and understand like what's their skin in the game in this election.

I think this is one story, but there are many, many other stories that we can tell to make that case. Mustafa, my dear friend Joe Madison would always say you got to put it where the ghost can get it. And this is an example of how we have to walk people through and explain to them this, this, this, this, this. And all of a sudden, when people wake up and go, oh, damn, wait, me, hold up. They changed all of that. Yes, they change all of that. Yeah, it's the cumulative effects, right? Of this devilish administration and there's sets of actions that are going on.

So whether we're talking about black farmers. So for somebody to say it has nothing to do with me, it says something about that individual. But as you said, you have to help to educate because some folks might just not know. So, you know, of course, I come from my grandfather. was a black farmer. But we know that there have been tens of billions to hundreds of billions of dollars that was stripped away from black farmers,

which means it was stripped away from our community, which means that it has impacted a generational wealth and the ability to be able to give to organizations that support our communities, to be able to make sure more kids are going to colleges, hopefully HBCUs. When you look at this administration, everyday people should understand that they are

literally shorting your life and they're shortening the sets of opportunities. If you look at what happened with the elimination of the environmental justice program and programs throughout the EPA system, that means that you are now, you know, you no longer have a voice in helping to protect yourself from the air pollution and water pollution and the other types of things. When we look at black maternal health and women and black babies dying two to three times at the rate of white women, you should care about that because those are your aunties. It might be your mom. It might be a whole bunch of different types of folks. When we look at what's been going on in relationship

to transportation and things they've done there or over at HUD, making housing less affordable, and that goes back to black wealth again. Every one of their actions either has an impact on your health or your wealth. And that is the lens that we should be looking through as we continue to push to make sure judges are in place who interpret the various laws that are out there fairly.

and making sure also that, you know, our sets of experiences are being brought forward because if we don't, these folks are not going to stop. And that's why you got to get engaged in the civic process because you will turn around and literally have no wealth in the black community. You'll have more sickness and more death. And if that doesn't motivate you, then I don't know what will. Absolutely. Again, they want to slap DEI on everything, Randy, and it is just a flat out. consistent attack on all things black. Right.

I mean, when they essentially got rid of DEI, it gave them permission to send us back 60 years. What DEI was designed to do is really to consider other people in our real history in this country and not just black people. But speaking of black people specifically now, when we're talking about farmers, for instance, you hear white farmers talking about about how proud they are because this land, that farm,

has been in their family for generations and how they've worked for generations this farm. And that shows their lack of just understanding because black people did not have that opportunity. We were not able to work the land for six generations because we were enslaved. And so this is why you create DEI programs because we are not starting from the same

place that they are. But they try to suggest that DEI is to help people who are less qualified, less talented, that we're asking for a handout. All we're asking is for people to look at the reality of this country, the history, although it may make some uncomfortable, it is real, and to act accordingly. So of course, if someone has had the ability to work something now for, you know, centuries a century and we have it, we are going to need some assistance to buy that first piece of property. And that is what those land grants were there to do. It's provide us assistance to be able to compete fairly. But this administration does not like fair whatsoever. They really just want to cheat and get everyone out their way and they don't want people like us to have

an opportunity. So folks, I mentioned what took place on Capitol Hill when Robert F. Kennedy Jr. testified before a House committee, and man, he went at it with Congresswoman Summerlee of Pennsylvania. And this is a perfect example of what happens when they want to erase blackness from public policy. Secretary Kennedy, I'm sure you're aware that black women are at least three times more likely to die from pregnancy-related causes. than white women. The vast majority of those deaths are preventable. Black women in my district are more likely to die during pregnancy than their peers in 97% of U.S. cities. Your written testimony mentions maternal and child health four times, but from what I've seen, the NIH canceled grants researching black maternal health. Your administration's fiscal year 27 budget proposes

eliminating healthy start, which is one of the federal government's primary community-based maternal health programs, and you've made it a priority of HHS to end diversity, equity, and inclusion. So yes or no, my question for you is if a medical school or public health school educates students about addressing the black maternal mortality crisis, would you consider that an illegal DEI? No. No, you would not? No. Great. I do hope for the medical schools, the universities and the accreditors, your administration, have been threatening that they're watching this and take this directive to continue teaching about and addressing the black maternal mortality crisis. And I expect your agency to restore and expand funding and support for that work.

Also, yes or no, do you think consuming more protein and avoiding Tylenol will prevent black women from dying three times more likely during a pregnancy? I doubt it. Tylenol doesn't kill you. So then why aren't you putting forth? Why aren't you putting forth? serious policies that actually address the health crises, crises in this country, instead of just these unsurious conspiracy theories and this wellness influencer mess that we brought up.

You want to answer that question? Are you just talking about them? No, it's a question. We are doing more on maternal health than any other administration. No, I said black maternal health. On maternal health. Black maternal health. That includes blacks and whites.

But the thing is, is that they're actually not the same outcomes, which means that we need specific and intentional interventions for black maternal health and black infant. Can I finish? Are you going to answer that? Yeah. We have a right now, we've implemented a perinatal pilot project that we're in 220 hospitals around the country, and we have reduced maternal health mortalities by 42% of those hospitals by providing them protocols.

Can you please share what the reduction has been for black maternal health? Across the board, it's 42%. But black maternal health still has worse outcomes than other people. I wouldn't know. It helps everybody. But it isn't. Object to that. Okay, thank you. It is not. I do want to just, for the record, state that.

It does not help everyone. Your agency told programs to remove a list of nearly 200 words and phrases from their funding applications, including the word black. Do you have an idea of how we could solve the black mortality crisis if we can't say black? As Trump is trying to end division in this country, not so division. Sorry, not eviction. During the last four years, that's what DEI did. It divided people.

It polarized people. No, no, no, no. We're not talking about eviction. We're talking about health care. I'm calling about DEI. We're talking about health care. Yeah. So what we're asking is if you attack DE and I, and then we have a crisis that impacts one population

over another, but you cannot direct specific spending or research. or interventions to that population, how do you solve the problem? Do you think the federal government should be paying for DEI? I think the federal government has a vested interest in ensuring that its citizens survive childbirth. Well, we are meeting that obligation. We are not. I can explain to you how we are. You have not done so far.

But also I would say that we can improve health care for everybody at the same time as helping the people who are most likely to do. are most likely to die. That's what DE and I, well, first of all, D and I make sure that we have black doctors or women doctors or that we're talking about the fact that we have a mortality rate that is not matched by any other country as what we would call developed as ours. That right there explains it all, Randy.

First, the sheer stupidity of Robert of Kennedy Jr. And how there are attacks on DEI, is having a negative impact on the black maternal outcomes of black, of black women. It's having a direct impact on us. It is well known, and he knows the stats, but he doesn't care about the stats, that we are three times more likely to die in death, regardless of educational level or socioeconomic level. There is nothing we can do.

We have heard stars come out like Serena Williams and talk about how they almost died. And so there was money set aside to solve that problem. Let's figure out why black mothers are not surviving. And also, there's an increase, there's a higher chance of our children not living. You would think that a country that cared about all of its citizens would care about troops dealing with that specific issue. And yet what they're trying to act like is that they're dealing with

that they're dealing with maternal health by treating everybody the same. Because when they got rid of DEI, what the Supreme Court essentially said is that the United States has been and continues to be colorblind. Now, you're not going to find one person of color. None of us black folks are going to ever agree to that. But that makes them feel better. It's so interesting to me that he said that DEI is what tore us apart. Not not all the, not the Jim Crow laws, not not all the discrimination that goes on the bad practices they did, but the actual solution that DEI, because then it was at least we at least were talking about it and trying to find solutions. That was is what divided us. See, though these people don't like

to feel uncomfortable with the truth of America. And if you challenge, them in any way, that's when they become upset. They don't care about our real problems, and they don't frankly care about the fact that we die at such a higher rate by simply just having children. Well, Katrina, is also because they deny that systemic racism exists. So therefore, their whole deal is, well, we shouldn't do anything specific for y'all. Is she saying, wait a bit, three and a, die three and a half times more than white women that say, hey, wait a minute, hold up. Let's throw the services there. And reminded me of, of, you know, when, you know, all the, you know, a lot of the A's money kept going to largely white, male,

gay organizations. It was like, you do know that the face of HIV AIDS had changed and, and they wouldn't change the funding. And you should be targeting the problem. They don't want to do it because that means you have to acknowledge that race plays a role in this. Exactly. And that's what I was talking about before earlier when we were having this discussion about this erasure of.

history. This is a country where systemic racism is built into the fabric of how this country was built. And so for us to try to deny the impact of that is ridiculous. And to your point about on the mortality rate, when she was citing the statistics, it was like he was totally ignoring it. The data shows that we are disproportionately impacted, that there's disparities for black women giving birth and even they are trying to eliminate any conversation of race in the discussion of the history of this country and the implications on any number of policies. I mean, we saw it even in the Calais decision that came down in April, right? Oh, there's no, there's no difference across race in terms of people's ability to exercise their vote power. We've been seeing this coming and they're

hitting every single institution from things that impact our health, from things that impact our health, from things to impact our political power to things that impact our pocketbooks. It is like a consistent concerted assault on black people. And the way that they're doing it is to say, oh, race doesn't matter. A rising tide lifts all boats. Well, if my boat has a hole in it, no, a rising tide doesn't lift all boats. And so that's not a measure of the impact on if we're actually solving the problem for the black community.

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First of all, the Huffington Post dropped this article about William Lawrence in 2024 comments. He made on his podcast. Hedgeman, which featured conversations about social movements and politics. During the conversation, he said black U.S. political leaders are a pillar of the capitalist imperialist American establishment whose backing for Democratic leadership defames the white left. Listen.

If you have concluded that there is a problem with racist policing in the U.S., then we implore you to consider that those police departments, they see a connection with the Israeli project. And so we think you should too. And we think that you should also see a connection with and identify with, you know, the Palsian freedom struggle. The other piece, the last thing I'll say

about the just response to your question, that is like this interesting factor and it is related to the question of the moral authority of kind of the black freedom struggle is that it's very clear that Biden's reliance election campaign, the orientation is the black vote.

I mean, there's a kind of calculation that I think they've made from the start, but that's clearer than ever. They're like, all right, I don't know. We've probably lost, you know, the quote of the so-called Arab vote and the Muslim vote. You know, I hate the way they talk about these kind of reductionist demographic categories. But maybe we can get the black vote. And so the fact that Biden gave this commencement address at more. House College, which was pretty painful to watch as a black person, as it was a black

leftist, really the Morehouse administration, so in such a crass way, kind of lend its platform to Biden in a way that was so, it's just so cynical. The move by the Biden administration is so, it's so cynical to say, we know that the majority of Americans want to ceasefire. We know that young people in particular are absolutely appalled by U.S. support for Israel. But this place, which is kind of the crown jewel of historically black colleges, the fact that Biden can give this commencement address, is a gesture toward the notion that this is a progressive administration. And so that is something for us to grapple with, actually, like recognizing that it's not just that we recognize the significance of the kind of political

and moral, if you will, significance, or the political significance of the moral authority, and credibility of the black freedom struggle. It's not just that we recognize that. It's like power recognizes that. Biden recognizes that. The White House recognizes that. And therefore, that is a contested space that we need to show up to. How do you feel?

What do you think is the trajectory as a millennial, black, leftist? It's not something I can talk too much about because I'm, I'm. I'm white, and it's not my struggle. That being said, like, the extent to which the older generation of black political leadership are such a pillar, frankly, for establishment, capitalist, imperialist, American power, through their role, you know, as this kind of traditionalist, establishmentist, pillar of the Democratic Party, it's a big problem. It's a big problem for left politics in this country.

And it gets us every single time. And it really defangs the white left and puts us in impossible positions, really. It's very effective politically. And so I don't know, I'm curious, but we're also seeing, you know, now that, unfortunately, don't want anyone to vote for Trump, but like young black people are falling away from the Democratic Party and the support

is not showing up in the same way. We'll see what happens in November. Okay, so Lawrence gave this statement to Huff Post. I have tremendous respect for black community leaders who have been at the forefront of the fight for freedom for centuries. This was in the context of a wide-ranging conversation with a guest on the show about the racial dynamics in progressive politics. I regret how this specific point was expressed.

Now, the Congressional Black Caucus Political Action Committee, they were, they were weighed in and they were not at all happy with what he had to say blasting his decision. We tried to get the chair of the Congressional Black Caucus on the show, Yvette Clark, but she was on available. Now, we also, of course, showed the news conference yesterday where where Congress with Hakeem Jeffries said he had not had a conversation, but he did say those comments were brought to my attention

and they are deeply disturbing. And the CBC PAC said, this is what they also tweeted. Anyone supporting William Lawrence should denounce his hateful remarks and withdraw their support. Michiganers deserve better. Let's come about panel now. So first of all, William Lawrence is going to be on Friday show.

I look forward to the conversation. What immediately jumps out at me and Mustafa, first of all, I understand that he was having a conversation with someone else. And this is the point that I made when it came to Democratic Socialists, winning in New York City, winning mayor in D.C., winning a race in Colorado. And when he makes the point about defanging the way,

white left and then saying that oh Biden wasn't progressive okay it it now begins to cause you to then go all right do you want to make a progressive argument or do you want to win now I know for a lot of people they go and it looks like look I understand even if you talk about a gossip I mean I've seen this back and forth where folks have said, well, you know, Miriam Ellison has been supporting of James Telerico, so therefore you shouldn't vote for Telerico. I'm from Texas. If you're not from Texas, please shut the hell up. Because the option is Ken Paxton. And see, this to me is where white progresses lose the argument. And the argument is, do you want to win? If you don't win, you have no power.

If you don't win, you can't actually put in any agenda. If you don't win, you then are left with a right agenda, like Donald Trump and MAGA. I go back to 2016. A bunch of white progressives felt that Hillary Clinton was to center right, oh, her, she was a war hawk and all of that, and guess what? Trump wins and he got to appoint three Supreme Court justices.

I wonder what they then say about the attacks on her. And that to me is the problem that I have with progressive left, not understanding that all of America does not look and vote the same based upon where you're located. Yeah. Well, I put it under the framing of the audacious. of caucasity and that means that it can be Democrats or independents or Republicans who often don't fully understand that when you're talking about black folks, one, we're

not monolithic, but we do focus upon the issues that not only impact our communities, but because of all the struggles and wins that we have been able to help make happen, that they often benefit many others as well inside of our country. And they lose that point, right? Because, you know, we are progressive, if you want to label that way, on some issues and on other issues, we're a bit more moderate, sometimes even more conservative on financial-related issues. And they sometimes want to just make it seem like that we are out here in centerfield by ourselves instead of understanding that we think critically about all the issues that impact our communities. So that's why I'm never really surprised, and I work with all kinds of folks, but I'm never surprised when people pull off the veneer of who they truly are and what they truly believe. See, Randy, when, it's a perfect example, it's a perfect example.

And then I wish I could pull it up. So when I interviewed Yank Yulgar, you know what he told me? he said Roland I think this is in 2003 it was for his book he said

Roland the best example of the right progressive in Congress is Senator John Fetterman straight up straight up

y'all find that clip by an eclipse. He literally said that. And I was like, and he was going on and on and on about how if we want to change this country, we got to have more progressives like John Fetterman. And I went, okay, taking your argument, that's one. How do you get to 218 in the House? How do you get to 51 votes?

or 60 votes in the Senate and now we know of course exactly how john fetterman or who john fitterman really is and this right here is what i will consistently say is the problem with this i this notion of progressives that you that when you look at the country when you talk about congressional races congressional races are about that district of seven 100 to 850,000 people. So you might be a far left progressive or progressive Democrat, but the district of Sanford Bishop in Georgia is not the same as AOC in New York. But Sanford Bishop is a Democrat in Georgia.

and you need Sanford Bishop to win in order for you to get to 218 so you can control the house. Right. Exactly right. I mean, I find particular, one, let me say this. I really don't like, I love the way he started his response whereas I can't speak on it because I'm a white man. And I wish he had kind of left it there.

I'm always somewhat uncomfortable when white people speak on black issues. and what we're doing because they can't possibly get it. Any more than I could speak intelligently about something with a man, how a man is feeling about something. It's just not possible. So to me, it takes a bit of arrogance to think that you know better about something that you have no experience in. Second, you know, I find that progressives are passionate about issues.

And I do think they're worthy of listening to because we, it does matter when it comes to voting. But I don't think sometimes they understand that one, there's a two-party system. And like you said, you are trying to win. You're trying to win. So you have to be somewhat moderate because you're trying to satisfy a whole constituency of people.

And that disappoints people who are, typically I find them to be one single issue voters, or maybe two issues. And they think that that issue should run everything and everyone is going to vote the same way because they're just as passionate about the issue as you are or at least should be, and that's not the reality.

Because like you said, it all comes back to winning. Yeah, I mean, I just, Katrina, he's a perfect example. In early 2024, the Trump campaign were running, the PACs, they were running commercials on black radio stations, And they were talking about transgender athletes. And I remember listening to the commercial.

And I remember sending a text message to folks in the Biden campaign. And I said, are y'all paying attention to this? And they were like, oh, yeah, that's not having any impact. And it was a trial run. Because what then happened was they started dropping the television ads in every football game, basketball game. I remember, I swear I was in a red state.

I don't know where I was. I would be recovering stuff. Now, I remember I was watching a game, Katrina. I saw that commercial eight times. I swear the one that included, that included Charlemagne and DJ Envy, Kamala Harris's comments about surgery. for a transgender prisoner. And I knew

what I was hearing. I knew that the issue of transgender athletes was not going well with a lot of black men. I also knew that the issue of

abortion, reproductive rights for a large part of the black community, problematic. Now, if you are a hardcore progressive, you have to understand, and this is that as black people, because those issues play differently when you're talking about Latino voters, especially those who are Catholic. So the point is, how do you put together a coalition that includes different people?

because again, the object is to win. You can be, you can have these absolutely progressive candidates in one part of the country. And if you think folk can run like that in other parts of the country, you're nuts. And you're not going to win. Connor Lamb could not run like that for Congress where he was in Pennsylvania because outside of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is Alabama. People don't even realize outside of Flint, Detroit, Pontiac, it's a lot of red in Michigan. And so this is what progressives are going to have to understand.

Everybody cannot run as a far left progressive if you actually want to have a majority in the House and in the Senate or even win the White House. Right. I think for me, this idea of, I mean, to this idea of like the goal is to just win. I mean, I think that that's like only the first step, right? Because there's like a myriad of examples of where people, where folks like a particular party has won and the lives of people has not changed at all. So to some degree, I think I just want to push back on it that like, it's like either do you want to be progressive or do you want to win? Like I don't think it's like a either or like there is like the larger math of like, how do you gain congressional power? But I do think that there is a role to push on this push a bit on like what is, once people, once we win like what actually what actually happens. I mean you you brought it up at the beginning with like with with with with with

Federman for whatever the point is. It's like having like, um, a majority of Democrats doesn't mean that things are actually going to deliver things for our people. So, Kirsten, Kirsten Cinema, Kirsten Cinema, Kirsten Cinema, Joe Manchin in Virginia. Right. And that's, and so, and which, which, what, what, what, what I recognize politically is that when you actually look at the Democrats compared to the Republicans, the rep, I've said this for the longest, Republicans, you're either right or far right. That's it. There's no such thing as a moderate Republican. It doesn't exist.

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Where's my phone? Juliana, your phone is hot to the touch. I think it's asking you for a break. You know what? Maybe I should just ask chat GPT. Or maybe we can ask an actual human. Yes, like a couple sex therapist. Whoa, that escalated quickly, but okay.

Because I have questions. We have questions. And I bet everyone has questions. Like, is it normal to sleep in separate bedrooms? We do that. How about this one? Is bribing your kids bad parenting or just negotiating? Oh, and I still do need to know why was my poop green that one time? Hypothetically, right? Okay, well, instead of letting the internet guess, we've got actual people answering these exact questions.

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progressive then I go compare to what and that is an issue that you have to deal with because I remember people like yo he ain't go hard enough on student loans and I was like what the fuck are you talking about did you not it was a Supreme Court and so this is this this tension because I then even asked the question Katrina when somebody tells me this is a real progressive, I then go, okay, what does that actually mean? What does it actually mean? Right. And I want people to define that. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you to this, to this point that, right? Like, the Democratic Party is like much more diverse ideologically. And so I think that was the point that I was making is do we want to get like, do you want to, you want to win a majority in Congress? Yes, but there is like a value in

having a diversity of people in there, some with progressive voices that is going to push class just like very moderate policies that in some instances like aren't creating like significant change for our communities. It was it's like to the point of like why sometimes people feel cynical. And so I do think that there is value. But to your point is like where where the opportunities like where there's like viability to like have more progressive elected officials in office to like make what that chamber looks like more diverse. And to some degree, when we were listening to the original clip, the other thing that I was thinking about was even in the course of this conversation, like black people are not all the same. No. Right?

Like we're saying like black people feel this way about abortion, black people feel this way about this issue. We are diverse within ourselves, right? Like we have ideological diversity. we have agency. And in some cases, us not falling into that narrative that black voters are going to do some predictive thing, it gives us power because that demands of the people who are running for office, the people who are already in office,

they have to convince us of why they deserve our vote. And so I do think this idea of like kind of talking about black people as a monolith, both in terms of how he was talking about black leaders, and also about how we talk about black voters, it actually diminishes our power in this democratic process. And so, so I think anyway, that is the one other additional point that I wanted to make in this country. Yeah, I mean, it is a, it is a worthwhile discussion, Mustafa.

But I still go back to, again, when I hear phrases, when somebody says, I'm a progressive, I then go, what does that mean what does that mean what is that mean what is your position on a host of issues that's what i want to know which then causes to say okay all right so if if you say you're progressive on these issues got it um what did you actually get past you actually, I mean, that, that, the hit on Senator Bernie Sanders is that he's been there long time. What do you actually get past?

If you actually say who's one of the most effective Democrats in the House is Congresswoman Lauren Underwood when you look at policy. But this, this thing to me right here is what white progressives are going to have to listen, if you will, and actually understand that your worldview is not the worldview of all Democrats. This is why it, I keep, I got pissed, I keep getting pissed off when people act like Mondani is the, he's the future of the Democratic Party. And he got lucky in the same year as the brother in Cleveland, the brother in Birmingham, the brother in Atlanta, and it's as if those mayors didn't exist. That to me is the mistake that progressives make is that you have to

understand that there are different pockets of the country that don't simply agree with your position on a number of things. So the question then becomes do you demand candidates that are of like mine and they lose and then you get a right-wing candidate in and then what type of policies are they going to implement that's really what you have to contend with here that is do you want to be right or do you want to be effective um because you know there are a number of different issues that are out there that are incredibly important but you have to be able to, one, build a coalition. Two, you have to be able to actually make real change happen in people's lives so that they see that the vote that they gave you actually yielded

something. And unfortunately, you know, sometimes we have folks who just want to be loud and who just want to get attention. And that does not necessarily change the lives of folks in Mississippi. Doesn't change lives of folks who are in Georgia, you know, doesn't change the lives of folks in lots of different places across our country. Folks are looking for somebody who sees them, who hears them, who understands their pain, and is willing to move forward on policies that will help to change that dynamic. So whatever label you want to use, the most important thing is that we're actually doing something that matters and that will help not only this generation, but the next generation

to be in a better position. and if you do that, then you're beginning to move in the direction that this democracy actually needs. You know, you always got these dumbasses, Randy. I got this full sports actuary on the chat. Like, oh, here's Roland Schilling. No, it's called reality. And this, Randy, is the problem that people don't seem to understand. Politics, first of, Ron Kirk, when he was the mayor of Dallas, we were talking one day.

And Ron Kirk said, Roland. let me explain he said that these people understand either you have the votes or you don't he said when i'm sitting there on the dais and i got council members who are yelling and screaming he said now he said i ain't got to say nothing he said i got the votes right here he said you need votes you need votes to win now what role do people serve do you need need politicians in your party pushing as aggressively as possible absolutely do you need people in the streets pushing aggressively as possible absolutely there's a difference between winning wars and winning arguments on television and I think

back to 1964 I think back to Atlantic City with the Mississippi Freedom Democratic Party fan loo hamer bob moses they went there and they said we need to integrate the mississippi delegation and lbj was concerned about winning the south holding the south beating berry gold water and so he told walter ruther after they continue not accepting uh compromises he said you make it clear you tell king king accept the compromise or he gets his labor funding pulled so what does king do King accepts the compromise. Now, Fan Lu Hamer, Bob Moses were angry. They were going off and fired Rustin.

King says, I will take a win in 64. He said, because the promise they're going to integrate the delegations in 68. And they were angry. They said, we ain't waiting for 68. He said, we couldn't get it in 64. He had to make a strategic decision. One, do I completely lose funding for the entire movement

movement on this issue or do I accept this compromise in 64 and what ended up happening in 68 there were integrated delegations and so he had to make a choice at that moment and that's the thing that I believe when you look at politics or anything else you push as hard as you can you push and push but there comes a point when you have to accept the reality that you didn't win. So do you completely chuck everything and say, well, I didn't get everything I wanted, so therefore I'm not supporting this? Or do you say, I'm going to accept as much as I can today, but I'm coming back tomorrow for more. I agree with you completely. I probably people would

consider me what they would call a progressive in a lot of ways. I certainly, you know, read in that direction and, you know, listen to a lot of people in that vein. But there's two things. Things can be true at once, right? So I can believe in a policy. I can believe, let's say reparations need to happen immediately. Let's say that is something I believe in. But do I believe that if we put up a candidate tomorrow that would appeal to the population?

Because I want us to win. No. So politics have sometimes to be somewhat separate from your way of thinking at that time. And what you hope, and we need progressives, We need to think, we need to get ideas and think about our people. But if we're talking about getting elected by a whole, and you have to then be strategic. And those ideas of, it's easy for me to romanticize of what I want this world to be.

And I do that, and that is important. We all should be doing that and work hard to create the world that we want for ourselves. But the way we get to where we want to be is within. in a system right now. It's in a two-party system. It's where we're going to have to make some concessions. It's where we are having to work and consider, work with and consider all different sorts of opinions. So what can we do where we are moving forward and getting elected? Because we cannot get elected if we are not creating a model, a platform that other people can get behind. I mean, it is at the end of the day about the numbers, and you want to win.

And so we want to get our candidate in there. So we may have someone who we say this person is fantastic. I love the ideas this person has. But can that person win in the election? Because if we can't win, all we do is have that great person with his great idea sitting at home, writing great articles. That's it. And so I believe sometimes people don't understand. that there's two different things happening here.

And the two things can coexist. I'll give you an example. Katrina, I'll get an example that a lot of people don't even recognize or talk about. So Trump wins in 16. They come in and then his son-in-law is basically leading the effort with the First Step Act.

and he was negotiating with Hakeem Jeffries. And I remember, I remember the late Congresswoman Sheila Jackson League rolling up on me at a Houston Rockets game. And she was upset with my commentary on the first step back. And she, well, it's not good enough. The bill's not good enough. And I say, I understand that. But what happened was it passed the House.

But when it went to the Senate, you had Chuck Grassley, Republican, had the Senate Judiciary Committee, Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Dick Durbin. They were like, no, Bill ain't good enough. So they fought that fool from Arkansas, cotton, and they strengthened the bill. But here's the thing that people

forget that also happened. They forget that they had a stronger bill before the election. That a much stronger bill, I don't think it was called the First Step Act, but it was a lot stronger than even what got passed. And you know what happened? Democrats said, well no, you know what? Why don't we do this here? Why don't we haul off on passing this bill? Because when Hillary wins, we can get a stronger bill. She didn't win. And there were advocates who were going, take the win. Take the win when you have it. And there were people like, no, no, we can get a better bill. And what ends up happening, she doesn't win. They don't get a better bill.

And Trump gets the credit for the First Step Act passing. That's one of those examples in politics where you can push and push and push and push and push, but you sometimes have to accept the reality that let me, if it's the first step act, let me take the win today and let me come back with the second step act. Right. So the second story you told there about people not wanting to take the better bill before the 2016 elections just makes my heart sink. And I mean, and I and I talk to people who were literally. involved in those negotiations who were just like, what the hell are y'all doing? It was it was so frustrating to them that would happen. Right. So, because I would say, I would probably say that I'm a progressive and a pragmatist.

So I would have tried to pass the policy when I knew that I had power and not wait in the interim. But the point, the thing that I would add to the story that you, that you were telling, both, both the, the 64, for Fannie Lou Hamer story and this story right here, you were just telling about the First Step Act is that there is a role for everyone, right? Like the folks that were pushing for something better is the reason why that when it came back to the Senate, they had to go back and adjust it.

Now, was it as good as what you were saying? No, but if Congresswoman Sheila Jackson-Ley wasn't there pushing, right, then we would have gotten the even less good. bill. And the same thing is like if Fannie Lou Hamer and those folks from the movement weren't pushing in that moment, then we don't get the integration in 68. So we do like I think that in some ways there's like often a push for us to have this like false like it's an either or either we have this or we don't. I mean

there's a role for for folks who to push even if you don't necessarily like win the election that outside push actually allows us to like move towards something better, even if we don't necessarily get the ideal, like that progression towards something better is actually a win-in of itself. And then you come back to your point. You fight another day, and maybe eventually you get to the dream policy or impact that you're hoping for. But we don't even get to that next step of a more progressive bill if there's not someone on the outside agitating. Yep. And that's why, listen, and Bishop Barber and I talk about it all the time when there were people like him and Cliff Albright and others who were saying,

saying y'all need to codify the VRA. And you get people like, no, no, no, don't push Biden them too much on this. They're like, no, you have to do this. And we see what happened. So I mean, just like a lot of Democrats, they assume that Roe v. Wade was settled law. Again, so you said it best. You can be progressive, but also a pragmatist.

I just think a lot of times that you have a lot of people who are pragmatists, who don't want to be progressive, a lot of progressives, who ain't pragmatist at all. all and it's all or nothing. And I'll close with this. I never forget being on CNN. And you had Eric Erickson, being with redstate.com. And he was talking about the Tea Party. And he's like, principles matter more than anything else, even when we lose. And Bill Bennett goes, what the hell are you talking about? He said, you would rather lose the election. he said, are you nuts? It was hilarious sitting there where Bill Bennett was going,

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And so they are. They're taking over national parks if they can right now. But you know, because this is not new, sadly. It is not new that when they put in a company, and factories in areas, they are typically in areas that will affect the black population poorly. It has been shown countless times, Mustafa could speak more intelligently about it, about the levels of diseases like cancer and asthma, how high they are, because simply we are in areas that are getting the smoke from these factories or water is affected.

because, again, there is no protection for our lives. Again, it's black lives do not matter. And of course, we can't expect Trump to care. And the fact that this man is coming in, Elon Musk is coming in, and he hasn't even gotten the permits to do this work, but no one cares. It's just go ahead. It's, you know, it blows my mind that they're getting away with not following the rule of law whatsoever. Katrina?

This is an example of all of the ways in which this administration is undermining the levers of our democracy. To the point of him not needing a permit to go in there, we know about this is the fact, there is like obviously money interests that are influencing our government in this moment. And so the fact that there is like no permit, the fact that there is really like no judicial pushback on this. The DOJ, who you think would actually be on the side of protecting the health of its citizens, is actually saying, oh, no, we actually shouldn't regulate this because of some type of military issue. So it's not just like the agencies falling at their job. It's the DOJ

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So we did like a lot of testing, a lot of research, and we came up with a lot of different scents that would just capture nature. And that was one of our best sellers to start. And then we just kept going on. We have a lot of different fragrances that you see on our website. But this is the one, it's the best. Cool. And so how long have you all had? How long have y'all been doing this?

We just come five actually. Yeah. Say it again. The COVID business. Since COVID. Okay. So you started during COVID. So what?

So what? Y'all were just sitting around. Y'all was stuck in the house and you wanted to burn some candles. And it was like, damn, we can't burn no can't burn no canals because your asthma going to get missed up. That's exactly what happened. Okay. So then what? So y'all, so do y'all have a background of this?

or do y'all see things and say, well, man, we need to Google some stuff to figure out what what the hell can we do? We had to Google some things. So it started off. We both actually work full-time jobs, and I was doing my full-time job, and I was working during COVID in Australia. I came back to New York. I don't know if any of your viewers are from New York City, but I landed a housing lottery

apartment, which was a big deal. My family came and moved us or moved me before I even arrived. So when I got there, it wasn't so safe for me to go outside, and I had a new house. that I wanted to create an ambiance, get a vibe going. So that's kind of how we did it. It was kind of just a project for us to do together and reconnect. And then we shared it with family and friends and are like, hey, you have something here. I think you need to take it to the next level.

And Kareem convinced me. I wasn't convinced. I like my money when I know it's coming, you know, for my nine to five jobs. So being a business owner wasn't really how we started everything, but it's where we landed and we wouldn't take it back for the world. So you left the job? No, we're still working. We are not going.

Okay. All right. Cool. Questions from the panel? Let's talk to first one, candle burning Randy. I do burn a lot of candles. I have a question. So you said this was great for people with asthma, but I would think that it would have great

benefits for even people who don't have asthma like me as far as just having clean air? Yep, absolutely. So it was great for everybody. It was made for people with asthma. was like essentially if you have respiratory issues and you're sensitive to that it's not going to harm you but we found that a lot of people with pets expecting mothers or mothers with new babies or people who just really are intentional about getting things that are more sustainable and vegan there are also our customers too especially for the children also yeah Katrina I love this I love

let's buy let's buy black and and when you were talking about that we were just also talking about There's so much happening in the world right now. And so I would imagine, too, that people look to your products as a way to relax, you know, light a candle. Is there any implications of using this eco-friendly products as a way to actually help people calm their nervous system in this moment where we are ramped to 100 all the time? Aren't we? I would say so. I think there's some natural. Go ahead, Kreme.

Oh, okay. Yeah, I mean, we use natural ingredients, essential oils, a wooden wick, it has a nice crackling noise. So when you come home from a hard day of work, like you mentioned, you can just unwind, light the candle, you hear a nice sound, and you can just imagine you're not in New York or wherever you are. You can imagine you're on tropical island or somewhere like that. And that's part of the vibe that we are trying to set. Mostly is about the health, but we do want to add other ways how to relax people. people are stressed out nowadays. Absolutely.

Like you could come one of our best sellers is a coconut sandalwood. Since it has a warm sandalwood and coconut, it's really warm and calming, so that's good for that. We have Botanic Fig and Seasaw Orchid because it's our spring summer season. So when people want something a little bit brighter, they've just cleaned their house

and you can light those for those vibes. So we have an array of different fragrances kind of four different things. All of them set amazing vibes at home though. Mustafa. Yeah, well, thank you for doing this. You know, there are 24 million folks in our country have asthma and 7 million kids. So you've got a whole lot of folks who should be looking at your product and considering to purchase it.

You talk about cruelty-free products. It's right there on the screen as well right now. Can you talk about why that's important? Because some folks might not understand how other candles are often made and what the difference is with yours. Kareem. We just want to just make sure that everything is just natural and sustainable and vegan. and once you do the research about what that means, it may not be your cup of tea.

So we just want to make sure nothing is hurt in the process of making our products. We want to be health-oriented. And like I said, we have a positive goal that we want to reach out to our community. And this is where we start. And using all natural ingredients, things that won't hurt anybody or anything, is the way how we wanted to go. And just to add to that, like kind of what is out there. have some of these big companies, they use a lot of paraffin wax, and a lot of that is derived

from fossil fuels and oil, so those things just are not good for you. We're using coconut soy wax. This is usually food grade material, so it's a lot safer for you, especially since you're burning it, you are ingesting it into your body in some way. So doing things that aren't, or using products that aren't using paraffin waxes is really, really important to us because there was no way that we could, you know, use something derived from rubber and oil and give that to people, and expected to be a clean burn. That wouldn't be clean at all. So for us, that was the biggest part of research.

The second, as Karin mentioned, the wooden wick. This is something that's also recycled wooden wick. So that helps us lean into our sustainability goals. And a cotton wick, I mean, you know, you have them everywhere. They're good, but it's just the way that they burn because it catches a big flame. Sometimes you'll see it and it'll get all of the black soot on your walls with the wooden wig. It just doesn't do that. It's not a big flame.

It's more like a smolder. Let me this here. Dahlia Amber, Dern. defuser reed. So sustainable vegan. So I've got this and I've got this. All right, what is this? So that is for people who don't want to burn things. That's our flame-free re-diffusers. We have four different fragrances. The dolly and amber is our newest one. You put the sticks right in there. People usually sit them in bathrooms or places. You set it and forget it. So when you put this stick inside, it's going to soak up all the liquid and it comes out the top with the reeds. Kareem has one,

don't you? So you stick this, you stick one of these in the bottle and then just let it sit there. Well, it comes with, yep, you let us sit there. It comes with 10. We tell people to start off with usually about five of them because the more reach you put in, the stronger the fragrance. So if you're going to put it in your bathroom, I would say five. And if it's something, maybe you want to refresh it, you're not smelling it anymore because your nose has gotten used to it. Then you add a few more reeds in there or you flip them over. But you'll usually find those in bathrooms or kitchens or or some places that people don't want a flame. Gotcha.

All right. Well, I'm burning stuff. So as you see right here, I'm burning. We've burned. We got candles in the studio. So, yeah.

So we, when we have our interviews and our stuff over here, we actually have them. So all right, cool, cool. So folks, Tribe and Oak, if you go to shop, blackstar network.com,

shop blackstar network. com. And you can check out their candles. How many different can, do you all have? We have eight different fragrances. They change in the fall winter. So the Botanic Fig and Seasaw are only here for the spring, summer season. Got it. Okay. All right. Again, y'all go to shop, black sudden network.com, check out their products. And remember, support them. You support us as well. And so we certainly appreciate it. Karen, Taylor and

Cream, thanks a lot. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Say it again. I said bye bye all right take care all right folks just a couple a couple of more stories here be very careful when you talk trash

on social media called folk will track you down so a Chelsea Gray he plays for Las Vegas Aces posted this on social media and it says this was a message I received

after our game yesterday and it said, you suck as ugly as nigger. And it said people act like we just make this shit up and the audacity to tell us as athletes to shut up and dribble. Well, it didn't take folks long to identify this idiot, Nick from Texas. You see right here, boom, Nick, Texas, fitness, concerts, traveling outdoors. and it says, sales, sales. So when she posted that, they busted that.

So then all of a sudden people said, hey, Hilton Hotels, Hilton Honors, this individual works at one of your Texas locations. He's wearing a Hilton name tag in his Instagram story. Is this the type of employee conduct? Y'all'll accept condone. That was about 24 hours ago. Well, this is on ESP.

PIN. Fan fired after alleged. First of all, I hate these dumb ass headlines. Fan fired after alleged racist message. The fool called her a nigger. It wasn't no alleged. And so Hilton Grand Vacations announced the firing and a statement issued to multiple media outlets on Tuesday. One day after Gray posted a screenshot of a message on her Instagram account that showed a fan calling gray racial slurb. The person responsible for posting this information, is no longer with the company. Hilton Grand Vacation said in his statement, his behavior was in violation of multiple company policies

and does not reflect our company's values in any way. Well now, Katrina, these races are going to learn. You're seeing somebody a DM, they can track your ass down. Right. What do they say mess around and find out? So, hey, absolutely. that's one moment where I'm grateful for the online warriors who are doing the investigative reporting to find people and hold them accountable.

You know, people always want to talk about the First Amendment to be able to say whatever they want to say, yes, you can say it. And then you can also deal with the consequences on the other end. And so this is exactly what happened. And I'm glad that it happened. Show your ass. It's going to be a problem, Randy. Absolutely. I get such joy at least once a day.

is a situation like that and people are losing their jobs left and right. I'm like, that racism sure is expensive, but you know, some people are married to it, but I get joy watching them having to have some consequences. Speak justice is a good thing. If you're going to say it, be ready to pay it. You know, that seems to be the only thing that gets so many people's attention, unfortunately. They don't know how to be human. They don't know how to live their lives with kindness and dignity.

But, you know, what they do respond to is when you hit them in the pockets. Oh, absolutely, absolutely. All right, folks, Uncle Nearest and nearest green distillery founder Fawn Weaver, who refers to herself as the people CEO, apparently is out of a job in a new court filing disclosed on July 10th. The court opponent receiver, Philip G. Young, Jr., who's overseeing the Trouble Whiskey Company, stated that Fawn and her husband, Keith Weaver, were terminated and removed from any involvement with Uncle Nearest, effective June 1st. This information was included in his fourth quarterly report.

Young mentioned that removing the Weavers was not an easy decision, but it has led to less confusion within the company. The Weavers remain individual defendants in a lawsuit filed by Farm Credit Mid-America against the company. Lawsuit alleged more than $100 million in outstanding principle, and seeks the appointment of a receiver a request that was granted in August 2025. Farm credit claims that Uncle Nearest has been in default. since January, 2004. Young anticipates following a notice of the proposed sale of the company's core assets

within the next 30 to 60 days. Fawn Weaver launched Uncle Nairis in 2016 and the whiskey debuted in 2017. Since then, it has rapidly expanded into all 50 states in a dozen countries. It has been a lot of litigation back and forth over the last several months. She often is posting on social media about what is going on, and so look forward to hearing what is the new news. next issue here. Certainly, a story of folks did not anticipate,

but so we'll give the update when we can. Katrina, Randy and Mustafa, I sort of appreciate y'all being on today's show. Thank you so very much. Thank you for having me. All right. Hey, folks, Lamont Bagabee. He runs the Virginia Democratic Party.

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It is actually a little bit of both of them, as you can imagine. It is the event that we have annually. It used to be the JJ Dunner. We changed the name to the Blue Commonwealth. It is a long-standing event. We haven't had it in this space in over 10 years. We moved it because it was getting bigger. But this year we wanted to bring it back and make it more intimate.

Mark Warner, as you know, had a rough couple months. He lost his daughter. But he also announced that this will be his last time running. And I thought it was important for us to have an intimate event. But we didn't have a keynote speaker from out of town. There's plenty of them to come from out of town. But we wanted to make sure... The last year, Governor Westmore,

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I need to look this up. Where's my phone? Juliana, your phone is hot to the touch. I think it's asking you for a break. You know what? Maybe I should just ask chat GPT. Or maybe we can ask an actual human. Yes. Like a couple sex. therapist. Whoa, that escalated quickly, but okay. Because I have questions. We have questions. And I bet everyone has questions. Like, is it normal to sleep in separate bedrooms? We do that. How about this one? Is bribing your kids bad parenting or just negotiating? Oh, and I still do need to know

why was my poop green that one time? Hypothetically, right? Okay, well, instead of letting the internet guess, we've got actual people answering these exact questions. And laughing with us has got to be better than spending three hours down a rabbit hole online. Listen to Bill and Juliana. The podcast. On the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. But we love going to more and looking forward to supporting him. But we wanted to really highlight Mark Warner and also Don Scott, Jay Jones, Gazala Hashmi,

and Abigail Spanberger, because we had some tough races last year. And then as you know, we won that referendum. Thank you for your support. and coming and making sure we went to the HBCUs, including my HBCU, Norfolk State, to make sure that we got that word out. So I interviewed a Democrat leader Hakeem Jeffers a couple of days ago, and when I interviewed him, he talked about,

and I asked him about targeting black voters, hitting the ground, touching people, and he referenced what has happened in Virginia. He referenced the work that I've done with Donna. well and what have you been saying too first of all have other party leaders been asking hey what was your blueprint uh i asked down the question he's like not enough for asking that but to me if you were a state democratic party leader your phone should be blowing off the hook especially in all these states where you got lots of african americans asking the question how did you expand

your numbers in the house how don't you hold the senate you How did you win the governor's manager? How did you flip these other statewide positions? And that's about touching, engaging, and spending on the ground with the black folks and not assuming they're going to show up. Yeah, and I just became chair of the party a year ago. And as you know, I mean, you've looked at our numbers. I mean, you're sharing numbers that we didn't see.

So you looked at our numbers. A lot of folks think that Virginia is a blue state. Virginia as pervile as can be, but we know we have to go out and do the work. And you know, time and time again, we have an election every year. And so the things that we did with you, the stuff that we do really in town, I've reached, I mean, you think about it. Before I came to chair of the party, I would chair the Black Caucus. And we grew the Black Caucus from 18 members to now 38 members.

Wow. That's double. While I was chair. Wow. And that was intentional. When you start supporting leaders of color, black leaders, and you start getting people like Don Scott, Louise Lucas, Chanel Herring, and leadership roles,

they are then charging the team to go out and be conscious about being fair about allowing people to people to people in the person of choice. But isn't it also telling, that I've been calling them out, isn't it also telling your traditional white consultants, hey, y'all been losing. You might wanna switch up what you're doing

because you just pocketing money and we're losing when the point is to win. Yeah, and knowing who to talk to. I mean, it's some people that put on a show and make it seem like they can connect with black people. But then there's people that, I mean, listen, black folk can see three people, And they know when somebody's blowing smoke.

And so it's important, but when we go out, we're our most authentic self, and that our staff, and those people knocking doors, are on message. And the message has to be what the people on the doors care most about. And I think, even after we won, when we came back in the session,

led by Speaker Scott, Louise Lucas, and to work with Abigail Spine, work with Abigail Spanberger, we delivered a lot of good stuff. Right, but the point is you have to deliver what you said you were going to do, but people get frustrated. As a black man who leaves the party, what are you saying to Ken Martin and others what they're going to have to do to talk to, engage, and regain the trust of black men? I'll tell you, there's a combination of things.

We have to spend money in the community. We have to spend money with the black community. A lot of black folks don't know what the opportunities are to work under the infrastructure, not just of the party, but under the campaigns. And so we're making a real assertive effort, and you've been a part of that of going into our HBCUs, and then also going to our PWIs and finding those young black scholars that are interested in getting involved in politics. What would you say, and again, here we are five months out. I was discussing a couple of guests

ago, how folk have to understand how politics works. The reality is you're going to have a constitutional amendment. You've got reproductive rights, but you got a constitutional amendment, we're throwing the voting rights formerly incarcerated.

That doesn't happen if you don't have the right folks who are elected, who are able to pass that twice for to even get on the ballot. And, you know, we get lost in and not lost because it's important stuff. A lot of the stuff that we talked about first.

But I carry legislation this year to finally make African American studies a high school course that's a verified credit. So now, black history will be taught in all of our high schools. Okay. As a verified credit, not just an elective, but as a verified credit.

So that'll be a mandatory class. A mandatory class. Got it. And then the other thing is, Sunday voting. Why you didn't text me that? I ain't know about the African-American studies thing. Yeah, yeah.

Y'all got tell her, brother. See, I could have been talking about it. So when is that going to effect? That goes into effect July 1. So when they go back from the school year in the fall, mandatory credit. Okay, got it, all right. And the other thing is, you know, when we talk to the ministers going into this campaign, you know, we carried, I carried legislation back in 2020

that would allow localities to do Sunday voting. Okay. They didn't really want to do it. So a lot of them to take, now it's mandatory. There you go. There you go. Because a lot of places they got rid of souls to the polls. Yes.

Now we got early voting two Sundays before every election. Okay. And you know we got 45-day voting here now. Uh-huh. And mail-in, those are all things we did under our trifecta the first time. And the point I've also raised is that when you, we start in 2020, when you expand access to the ballot, you were expanding the electorate. And Republicans have actually been on record as saying,

if you expand the ballot, we lose. So they want fewer folks voting. You don't want to scare them. Yeah. Last point. When I said you have to deliver, that's the other thing. that what people have been critical of Democrats in different places that folk run, make promises, don't deliver, and then offer excuses as to why they couldn't do it.

Well, even if I wanted to backtrack on some of the subject, those other 37 Virginia legislative black congress members, they about Louise, Lucas, Don, Scott, Mamie Locke, and Luke Torrean, they're going to hold me accountable. sharp and Zion, we're going to hold each other accountable. And so this work that we're going to do coming into the next session, as you said, we have three constitutional amendments we're going to fit. So you got reproductive rights, restoring voter rights, controlling voter rights, controlling across the rate.

What's the third one? Marriage equality. Got it. Okay, got it. Yeah. Yeah. So we got our work kind of, but we're going to get it done. All right.

All right. Last thing for you, look at that camera right there. There's somebody who is watching, who is listening, and they are saying, listen. I don't care about no politics. It means nothing in my life. My vote is a waste. I don't even want to get registered.

What do you tell that person? I tell that person, get out and vote. And it's easy to just say get out and vote. But don't take the work that people are doing every day for granted. Folks are hurting, whether that's health care, whether that's housing. And once you get folks elected, they can do the right thing by the right people and folks can get housing, they can get health care, we can get quality education.

We have the resources. We just have to make sure that we are seeding into the communities that need it the most. And I really appreciate you rolling for taking the lead on this, coming down and supporting us, because there's a lot of work to be done. All right, Chairman, Vermont Bagby. Thank you, sir.

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