#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Bodycam Sparks Outrage. Black Woman Arrest Raises Questions. Afroman Speaks Out

Episode Date: March 20, 2026

3.19.2026 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Bodycam Sparks Outrage. Black Woman Arrest Raises Questions. Afroman Speaks Out Newly released bodycam video from the Hurst Police Department reveals what happened m...oments before a viral arrest of a black woman in North Texas. The department's justification for the arrest is now sparking community concern. Young voters shocked everyone in 2024 by backing Donald Trump.I sat down with Black Star Network Hosts of "The Other Side of Change" to discuss what the Democratic Party can do to win them back.  The New York State Community Commission on Reparations Remedies was founded to examine the legacy of slavery and provide recommendations to address historical injustices in New York today. The Chair will join us next to talk more about what the commission aims to do Yesterday, we covered the courtroom drama--rapper Afroman taking on seven Ohio deputies over footage from a 2022 raid at his home. Tonight, the man of the hour joins us to break down the trial, Many states have deregulated hair braiding, but Louisiana lawmakers want to tighten regulations by demanding more coursework, including on the ancient origins of braiding.  We'll talk to the Black Democratic female state representative who authored the legislation.  And the first Black woman to lead the Harris County, Texas Democratic Party joins us later to talk about the upcoming midterm elections. Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:07:29 on media and something like CNN. You can be skated. It's time to be smart. You dig? Today is Thursday, March 19, 2016. Coming up on Rolla Martin Filth, streaming live on the Black Star Network. US Senate continues to debate the Republicans' shameful and despicable Save
Starting point is 00:09:53 America Act. It is a trash act. Bill will take you live for the U.S. Senate floor. New Orleans Body Cam video from the Texas case for the black woman who was pulled over and arrested when she threw the ticket out of the window. But she says the cop wrapped it on her, well, they now have put it out.
Starting point is 00:10:08 The Department of justification for the arrest is now sparking community discussion. Young voters shocked everyone in 2024 by backing Donald Trump. I talked to the host of the BlackSled Network's other side of change about what Democrats should do to target young black voters. New York State Community Commission on Reparation Remedies was founded to examine the legacy of slavery and provide recommendations to address historical injustices in New York today. The chair will join us on the show. Yesterday we talked about the case of Afro-Man.
Starting point is 00:10:37 who, of course, was not found liable under the First Amendment. Well, guess what? He will join us on today's show. Many states have deregulated the hair braiding, but Louisiana lawmakers want to tighten regulations by demanding more coursework, including on the ancient origins of braiding. We'll talk to the black Democratic female state rep
Starting point is 00:10:55 who is behind the bill. And the first black woman to lead the Harris County, Texas Democratic Party will join us as well discuss the upcoming midterms. It's time to bring the funk on Roller Martin Unfiltern. The Black Sunnet Network, let's go. Folks, a live look at the United States Senate where they are debating the Republicans Save America Act.
Starting point is 00:12:05 They call the voter ID bill that it's not what it is. On the floor now is one of five black United States senators and one of two black women in the Senate, Lisa Rochester Blunt of Delaware. Let's hear what she has to say. You can't find your birth certificate or Social Security card. There is now a price tag on your access to the ballot. 69 million is the number of women. who have changed their names.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Not only will they have to provide proof of citizenship, but under this bill, they also would have to bring their marriage certificate to a voting booth or maybe a signed affidavit from a judge proving their name change. Four and a half. Four and a half hours is the average amount of time a rural voter would have to drive round-trip to prove they are a citizen and ensure that they can vote in the next election. my colleagues will have you believe that we don't believe IDs are important. That's not the case. It's just not true.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Many states are already across the country we have to use our IDs to vote. I took my driver's license with me when I voted recently in a local election. That's not the point of this bill. The point of this bill is trying to solve a problem that's not they. that's not there. And in doing so, it moves the goalposts for people who want to vote. It will squeeze people out of the democratic process by finding ways to cost you money and cost you time if you want to vote. Bottom line, if this bill passes, our driver's license, real ID, tribal ID, college IDs for students, military IDs will no longer be enough.
Starting point is 00:13:53 If this bill passes, you would have to mail in a photocopy of your proof of citizenship with your ballot, making it exponentially harder for Americans to vote by mail, not to mention undermining privacy. If you're married, if you are in a rural community, if you are a student on a college campus, if you are a person with a disability, if you are a senior, or if you have changed your name at any point in your life, like so many of us have, including myself, I was married. I was married, I was divorced, I was widowed. This bill won't save you, it will hurt you. But this is just one aspect of the current attack on voting rights.
Starting point is 00:14:34 The second comes from across the street, where the Supreme Court has been chipping and chipping and chipping away at voting rights. The systematic weakening of our voter protections started decades ago when the Supreme Court undermined the preclearance provisions of the Voting Rights Act, Act, the VRA. Pre-clearance required jurisdictions with a historical record of racial discrimination in voting to clear any changes to their voting laws with the federal government. This was a backstop that protected access to the ballot box for many voters of color. Once it was struck down, some states began to take advantage, passing restrictive voting ID laws, restricting voting
Starting point is 00:15:22 voter registration time frames, reducing early voting, and more. In 2021, the Supreme Court made it harder to prove racially discriminatory voting practices under the VRA. And later this year, they will hear a case that would make it even harder for minority communities to sue states for discriminatory congressional maps. Finally, I would be remiss if I didn't mention the threat to our democracy that comes from the executive branch. Let me start from the beginning.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Since January of 2025, the Trump administration has used Doge to steal our personal information and data. They pulled information from Social Security Administration and the IRS. Why? Maybe to track the American people. Now the administration has turned their attention toward establishing an unsanctioned nationwide voter database. They also rated a Georgia voting center under false pretenses, undermine access to mail and ballots by changing the rules around how mail is postmarked
Starting point is 00:16:34 and sued and threatened states like Minnesota over access to their voter files. All of this from a president that wants to, quote, take over the voting, quote, so that the GOP, quote, will never lose a race for 50 years, end quote. This is a coordinated and un-American campaign against the very core of who we are as a nation. And it's not something that I say lightly, but it's something that I believe must be said, especially as we approach the 250th anniversary of our country. In those 250 years, we have seen our democracy expand and contract, multiple times. Our democracy expanded when my great, great, great grandfather signed his name
Starting point is 00:17:25 with that X and gained the right to vote. His descendant now stands in the Senate a living reminder that our democracy has the ability to grow and change, but our democracy has contracted, too. And we need to learn from that pass if we're going to prevent further contraction in the future. Mr. President, I fear we're on the cusp of falling into a trap our ancestors sprung 100 years ago. You see, my great, great, great grandfather earned the right to vote in Georgia with his signature, but it's unlikely that he was able to really exercise that newly won right for very long. Because from 1877 to 1901, while some Americans were enjoying the gilded age, Black Americans were living through a period known as the great Nadir.
Starting point is 00:18:20 If Apex is the highest, the nadir is the lowest. Voter suppression, political violence, things that you see and feel even now. Many of the rights enumerate. I'm Iris Palmer and my new podcast is called Against All Odds and that's exactly what the show is about, doing whatever it takes to be the odds. Get ready to hear from some of your favorite entrepreneurs and entertainers as they share stories about defying expectations, overcoming barriers. and breaking generational patterns. I'm talking to people like award-winning actress, producer, and director, Eva Longoria. I think I had like $200 in my savings account, and my mom goes, what are you going to do?
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Starting point is 00:22:17 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, folks, Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes here. And we know there is a lot of news coming at you these days from the war with Iran to the ongoing Epstein fallout, government shutdowns, high-profile trials, and what the hell is that Blake lively thing about anyway? We are on it every day, all day. Follow us, Amy and T.
Starting point is 00:22:44 for news updates throughout the day. Listen to Amy and T.J. on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. ...rated in the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, including the right to vote, were being eroded, washed away bipartisan gerrymandering, poll taxes, grandfather clauses, Jim Pro laws, and even Supreme Court decisions. For decades, civil rights leaders fought not just to achieve new rights, but to reinstate the ones' lives. lost. Our democracy has expanded and contracted. The first black senator, Hiram Revels, was elected to Congress in 1870, and then Blanche Bruce. But it was 86 years between those two senators and 1967 when we had the next black senator. 86 years. Right now, there are five.
Starting point is 00:23:46 of us and this is the first time in our history where there are two black women at the same time if the Save America Act passes we are on the verge of another contraction the parallels with the great nadir are as stark as they are many once again laws are being proposed to strip us from the access to the ballot box once again the Supreme Court is postured to send us backwards rather than protecting the path forward and once again voting rights are under attack by the federal government I look around this room and I know that we have a choice to make whether we'll allow partisan divides to enable the backsliding of our democracy or if we're
Starting point is 00:24:37 willing to stand shoulder to shoulder to protect the bedrock of our nation the right to vote So what can we do? First, we must block the Save America Act from advancing any further. As senators, we have a responsibility to call it as we see it and to conduct oversight and expose executive overreach. And that's what this bill is, executive overreach, that would undermine our right to vote across this country. As Democratic senators, we plan to stand in its path, and I hope that some of my Republican colleagues will judge Join us. And to all of those watching at home, I want you to know there is strength in numbers, that your power lies in being educated and informed and organized and mobilizing.
Starting point is 00:25:33 And in this moment, I stand here and say no to Chim Crow 2.0. Chair, recognized Senator from Utah. Mr. President, I appreciate the passion, the remarks provided by my friend and colleague, the distinguished Senator from Delaware. I do feel they need to respond to a couple of things and a couple of things that have said or said previous to that by the Senator from Michigan. With regard to the Senator from Delaware, there are a number of claims made that are very serious. And because they're very serious, they need to be responded to immediately. She words used terms like poll tax, Jim Crow 2.0, talking about adding costs as if we're charging someone to be able to have ballot access to be able to vote, which would be a poll tax. We ended that some 60 years ago by a constitutional amendment. This is not that.
Starting point is 00:26:35 Not only are we not charging someone to vote, we're not charging someone to register to vote, nor the documentary requirements in place, anything that would cost any individual, any money at all, it need not cost them a single penny. Because even if you don't have every document that you need in order to establish citizenship, something that's already required by a whole host of other laws, most familiar to most Americans, would be in the labor and employment context where every time you start a new job as an American citizen in the United States as an employee, you have to fill out an I-9 form and you have to provide a very specific set of documents to establish citizenship. You may do so with a U.S. passport establishing citizenship. If you don't have a U.S. passport, you may do
Starting point is 00:27:23 so with a birth certificate, together with a photo ID, a Social Security card can also come into play, but it's a fairly limited set. What we have established in this bill is far more flexible than that. We've added a bunch of other documents. We've tried to be as expansive and as inclusive for the bill. as humanly possible in order to do that. And then we provided a failsafe, a failsafe that I have yet to hear any of my colleagues across the aisle referred to when making these very aggressive accusations, that this is a poll tax, this is Jim Crow 2.0, that this is going to disenfranchise women, or people
Starting point is 00:28:00 of particular racial minorities. It's just not true. They're ignoring the existence of the provision that begins on line 22, page 12 of the bill and continues on to the next page, which says that if for any reason, or no reason at all. You don't have the necessary documents, any of them or all of them. You have none of them. You can still handle this by an affidavit that you can write out, thus putting the burden on the state to confirm or refute the underlying facts establishing your citizenship, whether through natural born citizen status by virtue of the circumstances at your birth,
Starting point is 00:28:41 at the time of your birth, making you a citizen, or the circumstances, that led to your naturalization. If you're a naturalized citizen, that does not cost... All right, y'all, so that's Utah Senator Mike Lee Republican. But he's straight lying. Okay, I just want you to understand what you saw going on here.
Starting point is 00:28:57 It's like, oh, no, well, you know, you can just do your own affidavit, okay? But what is that particular process as well? How does that go in? I mean, we could go on and on and on. We're like, well, no, there's no poll text. If you say a person needs a birth certificate, and they don't have one,
Starting point is 00:29:14 they have to pay to get one. If a person needs a passport, they have to pay to get a passport. Now, he also lied by saying that, oh, when you get a job in this country, you have to do that. I'm sorry, y'all. I've been hired numerous times.
Starting point is 00:29:31 I hire people. I don't require people to prove their citizenship. Now, as a form you fill out and you check, are you a citizen? Yeah, y'all, I wanted y'all to hear that because I wanted you to hear how they are lying. And this is what they do in order to advance their interest.
Starting point is 00:29:58 This is not a voter ID bill. And the ID is not the most heinous aspect of this bill. They want to take the voter rolls. That's what they want to do. They want the states to turn them over. to the federal government. So let's just be real clear, really what their intent is. It is not a voter ID bill.
Starting point is 00:30:23 It is absolutely a voter suppression bill. When Co-C., co-founder of politics, getting out of Washington, D.C., journalist Rebecca Carruthers, president, CEO, Fair Election Center out of the D.C. as well. And so, Rebecca, this is the, I said Democrats made a mistake by falling into the voter ID trap. But they should have been emphasizing are the other shameful aspects of this bill?
Starting point is 00:30:47 Roland, you're exactly right. For the last seven weeks, I've been all across the media, all across the press, talking about the Save Act. Also in the House, there was a bill called the Mega Act, and now these things have converged. And so what's important for folks to understand is that there's about 9,000 voting jurisdictions across the country. Each of those voting jurisdictions are responsible for registering people,
Starting point is 00:31:11 to vote. The Constitution leaves it up to the states and the states have the constitutional power to determine how elections are run, including who becomes eligible in order to register to vote. So right now, in order to register to vote, you have to prove that you are who you say that you are. If you're voting in federal elections, you have to prove already that you are a federal, that you are in American citizens. And there are some states, some localities, like for instance, Tacoma Park, Maryland, that allows residents of Tacoma Park regardless of naturalization status in order to vote. But that's pretty rare. The reason that I'm bringing this up is in most states now, because of federal law, if you have a state ID or you have a driver's license, you have it through real ID.
Starting point is 00:31:59 If you have like a little star in your driver's license or your state ID, that means you have real ID. And you already have to do documentary proof of citizenship of who you are, whether you're naturalized, whether you are on papers, in order to get that type of ID. What this particular bill would do, there is no state with exceptional Ohio where you can actually use your state ID that already proves that you are who you are, that proves whether or not you're a citizen. You cannot use your driver's license or state ID in order to register to vote if this becomes law. So I want people to understand the reason why we're not just saying proof of citizenship
Starting point is 00:32:37 is documentary proof of citizenship. Over 50% of Americans do not have a passport. That is roughly 180 million people in this country don't have a passport just off at the top. The second thing, there's at least 21 million Americans in this country who don't have readily access to a birth certificate. The other thing to note in this bill,
Starting point is 00:33:00 when you register to vote, you have to have your documentary proof of citizenship. You have to have those particular documents. But the other part of this bill, when you go to vote, you have to bring documentary proof of citizenship again. So if states already can verify and determine who you are and determine your eligibility that you are who you say you are in order to vote,
Starting point is 00:33:21 then why are we having these additional burdensome steps? And so far we're not hearing from the Republicans in the Senate and also Federman why this is necessary and why this is important. In fact, the Heritage Foundation has shown in the last 40 years that there's been less than 100 occurrences, that they have found of non-Americans voting in American elections. So this is not an issue. The other thing to note, if you are a local election administrator,
Starting point is 00:33:50 and if the SAVE Act passes, and say that you properly register someone to vote who's eligible to vote, but you don't get all the required documents, this bill will now criminalize that, where those election administrators can go to jail, they can pay a civil fine if they don't grab all of these documents. I could go on and on.
Starting point is 00:34:11 Another thing to note is that if you are a college student, there are many states that allow you to use your college ID in order to reconsider to vote, this bill will eliminate that. But here's the thing when according to that jumps out at me, again, I'm going to remove the whole ID away from the conversation. This bill wants to get rid of mail-in voting. And that's the danger.
Starting point is 00:34:32 Right there is the key. They want to get rid of all mail-in voting. And they excuse all the, if you have a very, you know, if you're sick, there's like two or three different things there. You got some states that, their entire elections are mail-in voting. And that's what we were talking about last week, Roland. We were talking about Utah, a lot of the Midwest, a lot of the Western states, they subscribe almost wholly to mail-in voting.
Starting point is 00:34:58 So this is just another form of voter disenfranchisement. Rebecca hit the nail on the head. This is duplicative. It already is in place systems. at work. It's disenfranchised voters, particularly black and brown voters. We know all of this, right? This is another game that the Republicans are playing, unfortunately.
Starting point is 00:35:19 And it's really sad that we are literally having to fight for our rights to vote when black and brown people have continually had to fight for their rights to vote. But, you know, getting rid of mail and voting when we just went through a pandemic crisis four or five years ago, it sounds diabolical, Roland. Again, that's what they're doing. The debate continues, they don't have the 60 votes, and so we'll see what happens next. All right, folks, let's talk about New York State, where Governor Kathy Hoke who created the New York State Community Commission and Reparations Remedies in 2020 to examine the legacy of slavery and systemic racism in the state and to provide recommendations for addressing these historical injustices. Dr. C. Nell Hawkins, the chair of the commission, Joneses right now to discuss this.
Starting point is 00:36:01 Glad to have you on the show. So first and foremost, as it relates to this commission. have you met what work has been done and what progress have you made? Thank you for having us on. First of all, this commission has been active since 2004. Governor Hokel signed the bill in December 2023, and we became active in 2024. We've had a slow start because we had to go through some processes just to staff up. But over the last year, we've had over 15 public hearings.
Starting point is 00:36:31 The most important part of this commission is that were the community commission. And so our role is to look at slavery, examine the harms of slavery, and listen to the community and put together a research paper, a documented research paper that is going to be delivered to the governor and the legislative body that's going to make recommendations to redress those harms. And so the work is putting together the report, and that report is due to the legislative body in January of 2027. and we have been going around the state hearing what those redress looks like. So you first started, you first started in, you started in 2022, and your deadline for the report is 2007, so that's three years? Well, it was a slow start. So we actually asked for an 18-month extension because we didn't have staff. All of their nine commissioners, first of all, I want to thank Governor Hockel and our senators,
Starting point is 00:37:27 Senator Sanders and our assembly member, Sologes as a co-sponsor of the bill. But they're nine commissioners and we're volunteers and we have a $5 million budget to put together the staff to help us do the research and put together this report of recommendations to the state. And so we've been going around the state. We've been all over the economic areas in New York State to hear from the community members. So we've been in Brooklyn. In fact, on Saturday the 21st, we will be in Staten Island at the Staten Island Urban Center on Bay Street, 206 Bay Street, from 12 to 4 p.m. So we invite the community to learn about this process to understand what redress is and understand the harms of New York and what processes should New York State take to redress these problems. So we're looking at the economic harms, the health inequities, when we think about redlining, all of these harms certainly impact New Yorkers.
Starting point is 00:38:20 And so we want to hear from New Yorkers. And we've been hearing that one, black New Yorkers certainly want to check. They want to check, but they also want to see a strong problem. of policy change. So it goes way beyond a check. When people think about reparations, that's the first thing you think of as a check. But it's certainly more than that. So it's policy changing so that we can see the actual process of redress. And that's what's going to be important. It needs to be a reparative process to the harms that we've seen since slavery. And many don't even know that there was an active slave trade at 1711 right on Wall Street. I'm Iris Palmer and my new podcast is
Starting point is 00:38:58 called Against All Odds, and that's exactly what the show is about, doing whatever it takes to be thoughts. Get ready to hear from some of your favorite entrepreneurs and entertainers as they share stories about defying expectations, overcoming barriers, and breaking generational patterns. I'm talking to people like award-winning actress, producer, and director, Eva Langoria. I think I had like $200 in my savings account, and my mom goes, what are you going to do? And I was like, I'll figure it out. We got a one-bedroom apartment for like $400 a month, and we all could not afford, like, I was like, how am I going to make $100 a month? I'm opening up like I've never before.
Starting point is 00:39:34 For those of you who think you know me from what you've seen on social media, get ready to see a whole new side of me. Listen to Against All Odds with Iris Palmer as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of IHeart Media, and I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Magic, Stories from the first. frontiers of marketing. Math and Magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses in industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds in marketing. I'm talking to leaders
Starting point is 00:40:07 from the entertainment industry to finance and everywhere in between. This seasonal math and magic, I'm talking to CEO of Liquid Death Mike Cesario, financier and public health advocate Mike Milken, take two interactive CEO Strauss-Zlnich. If you're unable to take meaningful creative risk and therefore run the risk of making horrible creative mistakes, then you can't play in this business. Sesame Street CEO Sherry Weston and our own chief business officer, Lisa Coffey. Making consumers see the value of the human voice and to have that guaranteed human promise behind it really makes it wise to the top. Listen to math and magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. When you listen to podcasts about
Starting point is 00:40:53 AI and tech and the future of humanity, the hosts always act like they know what they're told talking about and they are experts at everything. Here, the Nick Dick and Poll show, we're not afraid to make mistakes. What Coogler did that I think was so unique. He's the writer-director. Who do you think he is? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:41:12 You mean the, like, the president? You think Canada has a president. You think China has a president? Those law crusade. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time. I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying,
Starting point is 00:41:29 Not my monkeys, not my circus. Yep. It was a good one. It is an actual Polish saying. Yeah. It is an actual Polish saying. Better version of Play Stupid Games, win stupid prizes. Yes.
Starting point is 00:41:40 Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift, who said that for the first time. I actually thought it was. I got that wrong. Listen to the Nick Dick and Paul show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Anna Navarro, and on my new podcast, leap with Anna Navarro. I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your. community and around the world. Because I know deep down inside right now, we are all cursing and asking what the bleep is going on. I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown, who broke the explosive
Starting point is 00:42:12 story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018. These victims have been let down time and time again for decades and decades by local law enforcement, by federal law enforcement, by administration after administration. The Justice Department through, I think we counted four presidential administrations, failed these victims. Listen to Bleep with Anna Navarro as part of the My Cultura podcast network. Available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is Amy Rovock alongside T.J. Holmes from the Amy and T.J. podcast. And there is so much news, information, commentary coming at you all day and from all over the place. What's fact, what's fake, and sometimes what the F.
Starting point is 00:43:05 So let's cut the crap, okay? Follow the Amy and T.J. podcast, a one-stop news and pop culture shop to get you caught up and on with your day. And listen to Amy and T.J. on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. In New York City, it's happened in the north. But New York State had an active role in slavery. And at the public hearings, we've been learning about how this is systemic across New York State, whether you were in Ithaca or Utica or Rochester or Buffalo, the same harms
Starting point is 00:43:38 have been happening around the state. And now is the chance for New Yorkers to reimagine, to reimagine what change could look like. So here's some hope for us. And here's a process that these nine commissioners, and I'm honored to chair this commission, but we are working hard to put together a research-based report, along with analysts and economists and historians to make sure that New Yorkers have a well-thought research process for reparations. Folks, if you go to NYPL.org, go to my iPad, Henry. You'll see where it lays out there, this piece on New York City slave market that was posted then.
Starting point is 00:44:15 Questions from my panel, Wincuni, you first. Yeah, first of all, thank you for being here and the work that you all are doing is incredible. If New York gets this right, how could this serve as a model for other states or even the federal government. Well, New York, we plan to get it right because the nine of us are working hard to do it. But we're not the only state to do this. I want to say that California has done this, and certainly Illinois and Evanston, they've already given out reparations in Evanston, but New York gets to serve as the model for
Starting point is 00:44:47 other states to follow. New York is where it happens, and New York is the representation of what's next. So we're looking forward to continuing to work, do this process, and our report. We want to champion these reports. So these recommendations can actually come to fruition and other states can follow. So we are the lead. Rebecca? Dr. Hawkins.
Starting point is 00:45:10 So I think it's great that the state that houses the financial center in this country is taking the lead in this issue. Correct me if I'm wrong. Does a New York have a history of allowing for reparations for historically wrong people? New York doesn't have a history of it. Certainly, there are other bodies that, so when you think about Native Americans, they have been reparations, Japanese, there have been reparations. There's a long history of reparations. Jewish communities have received reparations.
Starting point is 00:45:43 So this is New York's effort at reparations. And we know nationally, there has been a national effort for reparations. There are many groups working on reparations. And as you know, in Congress, there have been many efforts for, since Representative John Conyers, Jr., and the late Sheila Jackson. and Lee and trying to get reparations federally. But New York State is leading the work right now, and we want to see it happen. And so New Yorkers are lending their voice at public hearings. They're going to our website, and if people want to learn more, they can go to our website
Starting point is 00:46:15 at New York.gov, forward slash reparations. They can look at our past hearings, learn more about the work that they're doing, and get involved. This is an opportunity for us to reimagine what the pathway could be for New Yorkers, to create a real process for change. When we talk about inequities and I'm listening and we're talking about Jim Crow 2.0, this is our work. This is our opportunity to create some change to reimagine to actually develop a process for hope and change. And so we want to hear from New Yorkers. We want them to get involved. And we've heard from many New Yorkers so far. And we're still doing this work.
Starting point is 00:46:52 We plan to have public hearings through June of 26. And then we'll be delivering our report. We plan to have a draft report to the legislative body in December of 26 and then the final report in January of 2027. And we want the community to champion those recommendations for redress. All right. We certainly appreciate Dr. Hawkins. Thanks a lot. Thank you for having me. And go to the website, n.wai.gov, forward slash reparations.
Starting point is 00:47:20 New Yorkers, let's show everyone how to create a process for remedies. All right. Thank you so very much. Folks, we'll come back from this break. We're going to talk about a bill being advanced to tighten rating requirements in Louisiana. You're watching Rollin-Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Be sure to support the work that we do.
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Starting point is 00:47:51 203-0196. PayPal's R. Martin Unfiltered. R.M unfiltered Zail, Roland at Roland Smartin.com. Rolling at Roland martinthilter.com, we'll be right back. With medicine and science under attack, I want to keep you and your family informed and healthy. I'm Dr. Ebony Hilton, and I knew at the age of eight that I wanted to be a doctor. So I studied hard and became the first African-American female anesthesiologist, hired at the Medical University of San Bernardana since this opening in 1824.
Starting point is 00:48:25 And I always say I was made into a doctor, but I was born to be a doctor. a mom. And as a new mom, wife, sister, daughter, and friend, I understand how frightening and medical crisis can be. I care for individuals on some of the worst days of their lives, and it's my mission to provide you with a safe space to gain clarity on issues affecting your mind, body, and I recognize that there are health disparities, particularly as it pertains to race, and I want to help bridge the gap between you and your health care providers. Join me every Thursday for Second to Paylee on the Black Star Network. where each week I'll invite experts from various medical fields to share the latest health groups. We'll discuss topics such as the vaccine debate, mental and central health, medical bias, infertility, menopause, andopause, nutrition and aging.
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Starting point is 00:50:11 That's right. We're talking about our relationship with money. And here's the thing. Our relationship with money oftentimes determines whether we have it or not. Balancing your relationship with your pocketbook. That's next on a balanced life with me, Dr. Jackie, here at Blackstar Network. I'm Ryan Wilson, CEO, co-founder of The Gathering Spot, and you're watching Roland Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. All right, folks, let's talk about a bill out of Louisiana, where they are considering implementing one of the strictest licensing requirements for hair braiding in America. Currently, the state's cosmetology board mandates a minimum of 500 hours of training to obtain an alternative hair design permit. However, Democratic State Representative Candace Newell has proposed
Starting point is 00:50:58 House Bill 912, which would increase this requirement to at least 600 hours at a registered cosmetology school over a period of three and a half months. The training outlined in the bill must include the study of the ancient origins of braiding, various multicultural braids styles, and proper braiding and sanitation techniques after completing the training, applicants must pass an examination and pay an annual fee. Representative Newell joins us right now. I'm glad to have you here. First and foremost, why go from 500 to 600?
Starting point is 00:51:27 What does that extra 100 hours do? Good evening. Thank you for having me. It's Candace Newell. Okay. The 600 hours is to allow for the students to be able to apply for federal. financial assistance. Because right now with 500,
Starting point is 00:51:46 it's an out-of-pocket expense to the students. So the additional is of 100 hours is to allow for them to get financial aid. Okay, so this bill applies to anybody that does braiding in the state? It's for
Starting point is 00:52:02 anyone who does braiding in the state and wants to open up their own salon or eventually go back and teach the art of braiding. Okay, so have folks been clamoring for this? What was your rationale for proposing this bill to add new requirements? Well, right now we do allow for people to work with a permit under a licensed cosmetologist,
Starting point is 00:52:32 and there's no restrictions on anyone that does hair in their home. We wanted to expand this because, of course, we know that this is a growing business, and to give the women who want to open up a shop and hold themselves out to the public to ensure that the services that they're offering, the public is safe and that they are also educated and protected in the manner. And again, offering also the opportunity for these men and women to eventually teach if they no longer want to just do the same. styles themselves but want to teach it to the next generation. So in terms of applicants who must pass an examination and pay an annual fee, is that for shop owners or for anyone if they're even working in a shop?
Starting point is 00:53:29 That's, excuse me, that's for anyone who holds the license, who will hold the license, not the permit. The permitting, they go in, take the tests, get the permit, they work under the license, The person who has the license, just like with the other cosmetologists, they go in for their yearly education requirements and they pay to renew their license. All right. Just like I do have to do every year as an attorney. Questions from my panel, Wincunee, you first. Thanks for being here, Representative Newell.
Starting point is 00:54:06 Wouldn't this just push more hair braiding into homes and push the cost of hair braiding and shops up? I wouldn't see that it's pushing it more or causing the cost to go up. We just want to ensure that the ladies who are doing it in their homes, if they want to open a shop legally in Louisiana, there's a pathway for them to do so. You have to go through the entire 1,500-hour cosmetologies of learning, washing, relaxing, coloring, manicures, pedicons, cares, facials, not having to learn all of that. You go in, learn the basics about your braiding,
Starting point is 00:54:51 600 hours, you open your shop, and then you can open up the opportunity for young ladies that have a permit to come in your shop. Or, like, again, like I said, if you want to retire from working and go in and teaching, you have the avenue to also get the teaching license. But I don't see it as causing the costs to rise and pushing more people in the home. I see it as an opportunity for you to leave your home if you want to encourage or attract more clientele. Rebecca. I will say I have mixed thoughts about this.
Starting point is 00:55:32 I'm someone. I love getting my hair done. I've had all sorts of protective styles, including hair braiding. I've had good hair braiders. Hair braiders, I'll never go back to it again. So I understand the importance of a basic. training and hygiene, especially with dealing with the public. My concern is that as a black person, I've learned how to have hair braided
Starting point is 00:55:53 but I was like five or six years old. And so we hear you do hairbraining. Like those are things that are cultural and cultural touch points, but it's also an economic benefit. So my concern is how do you balance the need to make sure that the public is safe, but also balance the needs of how this could really be an economic legion, but also balance the needs of how this like lay gut, especially for black women. And that's what everything you said is exactly why I agreed to move forward with this legislation.
Starting point is 00:56:29 I've had been horrible in my hair. I've had friends who've had horrible experiences with growth of bacteria in their hair. another friend of mine she had a mold that grew under the braids once she got to sew in so it was those experiences
Starting point is 00:56:53 that moved me towards maybe if you're in a shop you should have some type of education some type of training because just because we know how to braid our sisters, our cousins, our own hair does not mean that we're ready to go out and braid for the public
Starting point is 00:57:09 also allowing for you to get the license. Again, opens opportunity for that person with the license to allow other people who might not have the license, aren't ready for the license, have the permit to come in in the shop. And now you have more people in the shop, more people earning money, more people providing services to that community. and also maybe going back into the schools as a way to teach and pass on this knowledge and the training to the next group of young ladies
Starting point is 00:57:47 and young men who want to go and breed. And not just breed any type of protective styles. All right, thank you. All right. Well, we certainly appreciate you joining us and we'll see how this bill progresses. Thank you. a good start for what I'm going to hear from my colleagues who don't look like us and don't
Starting point is 00:58:12 understand the process because these are the questions that we normally hear in committee when it's surrounding this breathing. All right. Thanks a lot. So thank you. Appreciate it. I appreciate it. Thanks so much. And for folks out there, maybe where we say alternative hair, alternative hair design is defined as twisting, wrapping, weaving, extending, locking, or braiding the hair at salons or shops. It includes supplying products. such as shampoo, conditioners, oils, and lotions, and also covers the use of synthetic hair, wigs, or other applied hair.
Starting point is 00:58:44 All right, folks, I'm gonna do this real quick here. So we have made clear how narcissistic Donald Trump is, how shameful and pathetic he is. And here's the United States celebrating a 250 year anniversary this year. So what did this arrogant fool do? Well, what he always does, he always wants to put himself front and center. And so what Donald Trump has done is he has this arts commission.
Starting point is 00:59:26 So they decided to say, hey, what have we put Trump on a coin? Now, y'all, that's normally reserved for folks who are deceased or not even in office. But see, when you're so arrogant, when you're so narcissistic, when you are a... I'm Iris Palmer and my new podcast is called Against All Odds, and that's exactly what the show is about, doing whatever it takes to be the odds. Get ready to hear from some of your favorite entrepreneurs and entertainers as they share stories about defying expectations, overcoming barriers and breaking generational patterns. I'm talking to people like award-winning actress, producer, and director, Eva Longoria. I think I had like $200 in my savings account and my mom goes, what are you going to do?
Starting point is 01:00:15 And I was like, I'll figure it out. We got a one-bedroom apartment for like $400 a month and we all could not afford. Like, I was like, how am I going to make $100 a month? I'm opening up like I've never before. For those of you who think you know me from what you've seen on social media, get ready to see a whole new side of me. Listen to Against All Odds with Iris Palmer as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of IHard Media, and I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing.
Starting point is 01:00:50 Math and magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds in marketing. I'm talking to leaders from the entertainment industry to finance and everywhere in business. between. This seasonal math and magic, I'm talking to CEO of Liquid Death Mike Cessario, financier and public health advocate, Mike Milken, take two interactive CEO, Strauss Zellner. If you're unable to take meaningful creative risk and therefore run the risk of making horrible creative mistakes, then you can't play in this business. Sesame Street CEO Sherry Weston and her own chief business officer, Lisa Coffey. Making consumers see the value of the human voice and to have that guaranteed human promise behind it really makes it rise to the top.
Starting point is 01:01:36 Listen to math and magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. When you listen to podcasts about AI and tech and the future of humanity, the hosts always act like they know what they're talking about and they are experts at everything. Here, the Nick Dick and Poll Show, we're not afraid to make mistakes. What Cougler did that I think was so unique. He's the writer-director. Who do you think he is? I don't know. You meet the president?
Starting point is 01:02:05 You think Canada has a president? You think China has a president? Those law a rouset. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time. I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus.
Starting point is 01:02:23 It was a good one. I like that saying. It is an actual Polish saying. Yeah. It is an actual poll. Better version of Play Stupid Games, win stupid prizes. Yes.
Starting point is 01:02:31 Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift, who said that for the first time. I actually, I thought it was. I got that wrong. Listen to the Nick, Dick, and Poll show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:02:43 I'm Anna Navarro, and on my new podcast, bleep with Anna Navarro. I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world. Because I know deep down inside right now,
Starting point is 01:02:55 we are all current. and asking what the bleep is going on. I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown, who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018. These victims have been let down time and time again for decades and decades by local law enforcement, by federal law enforcement, by administration after administration.
Starting point is 01:03:20 The Justice Department through, I think we counted four presidential administrations, failed these victims. Listen to Bleep with Anna Navarro as part of the My Cultura Podcast Network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:03:42 This is Amy Roboc alongside T.J. Holmes from the Amy and T.J. podcast. And there is so much news, information, commentary coming at you all day and from all over the place. What's fact? What's fake? And sometimes what the F. So let's
Starting point is 01:03:57 cut the crap, okay? Follow. the Amy and T.J. podcast, a one-stop news and pop culture shop to get you caught up and on with your day. And listen to Amy and T.J. on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. A pathetic individual like himself, just putting his name on the Kennedy Center, such as hanging these massive banners down from a government building as well. Here's the latest. So his handpicked arts commission, they now prove this gold coin. Oh, no shock is gold. So this is what it will look like. It will be this coin here of this idiot and with this menacing look.
Starting point is 01:04:39 And so it was a unanimous vote, no shock, 24-carat, commemorative 24-carat gold coin bearing his image. This is from the U.S. Commission on Fine Arts. And so, now check this out. According to The New York Times story, since the administration's move to mint official coins with Trump's face is also legally aggressive, An 1866 law called the Fair Amendment says, quote,
Starting point is 01:05:04 only the portrait of a deceased individual may appear on United States currency and securities. But they're saying that, oh, no, this is not really currency or security. It's a commemorative coin. And so, Trade Secretary Scott Bissette, they're saying that, oh, it allows for the minting of gold coins with specifications, designs, varieties, quantities, denominations and inscriptions as a secretary and the secretary's discretion may prescribe from time to time. This is all about his ego, Rebecca, pure and simple. And MAGA is so stupid that, oh, if this was Obama,
Starting point is 01:05:42 if this was Biden, this was Clinton, they'll be throwing up, losing their mind. Sean Hannity would be foaming at the mouth, Laura Ingraham. But Trump is like, oh, great, let's pass him around like Eminem's. like a collector's card. Like Roland, if you put that picture up, it looks so dumb. It looks like his administration is trolling him. That is not a flattering picture of him that they're going to put on a coin.
Starting point is 01:06:07 Like, look at that. That's not flattering. That doesn't show strength. That's an ill-fitting suit. And he looks crazy. Like, I mean, you know, I don't get it. The other thing is, if they're claiming to put gold, we know gold is real expensive right now. They're not going to put real gold.
Starting point is 01:06:23 They're going to go down to the Home Depot again and use that fake goat stuff that they have inside the Oval Office. Look, as soon as this man leaves, the White House or however, the ancestors decide that he leaves, the bottom line is we're going to have to fumigate out the White House literally and fumigate out this government figuratively. Because this is just ridiculous. When, Cody? Fumigate was a good word, Rebecca. I just, I mean, like you said, Roland, he's a narcissist. I think the challenging part about this is what's scary is this is exactly how he won the presidency.
Starting point is 01:07:02 If you think about Donald Trump, Donald Trump is someone who has successfully used the media, has successfully used the cycle to continue to say his name, right? You think about the Donald Trump show. You think about his real estate ventures, all of which bear his name, bear his likeness, bear his face, bear his image, right? he has been able to use that to successfully catapult himself into the highest office in the United States of America. And so what's scary to me is that he's continuing to do this. He continues to champion himself in this way. And unbeknownst to the rest of the world, it has worked. It's worked, right?
Starting point is 01:07:40 So for me, I'm scared of Donald Trump being able to put his name, his face, his likeness on one more thing because that's what he did, right? We see Donald Trump had been angling for the president. for years. He tried to run as a Democrat. It didn't work. He tried to run as an independent. It didn't work. But all time and time again, he kept getting on reality TV show. He kept building buildings and putting his name on it. This is just another example at his classic narcissism, another example of how he feeds his ego. But honestly, at this point, it's gotten to a tipping point, right? We have now, well, I can't say we've elected him, but the American people have elected him to the highest office and power. And so my fear is, that putting his name and face and likeness on yet another piece of memorabilia only continues to push into the Donald Trump lore. And that's something that we need to dismember as quickly and swiftly as possible. All right, folks, hold tight one second. He got a big win yesterday in his defamation case in Ohio.
Starting point is 01:08:42 Afro-Man will join us next right here on Roland Martin Unpiltered on the Black Star Network. A decade of love, joy, and power. Black voters matter. is 10 years old, and we are just getting started. This is love with the purpose. This is black joy in motion. This is unstoppable power. Across campuses, neighborhoods, back roads.
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Starting point is 01:10:25 rolling, Mark, unfiltered. Folks, there was so much happening in the afromat. trial, we had to go ahead and go for a second day. For those who don't know, seven white sheriff's deputies from Adams County, Ohio, sued Afro-Man, whose legal name is Joseph Foreman, for using footage from his own security cameras in music parody videos. The footage was recorded during a 2022 raid of his home. During the raid, the deputies broke down Afro-Man's front gate,
Starting point is 01:10:59 forced open his front door while searching for narcotics. However, no drugs were found and no charters were ever filed against him. Well, yesterday, a jury ruled an Afro-Man's favor, concluding that he did not defame the deputies or invade their privacy. This was pretty funny. Here's just a little of the closing arguments of both attorneys. I'm just going to play a little bit of each one, and then we're going to go to that interview.
Starting point is 01:11:28 Go ahead. When this trial started, I told you it was about intense. lives that are designed to hurt people. All right, y'all, not sure what's going on with the audio there. But joining us right now is the victor in this case, Afroman himself. Glad to have you right here on Rolla Martin Unfiltered. So you had these folks up there crying on the witness stand. You had one cop saying that your video caused so much distress in his marriage
Starting point is 01:12:21 that that's why his wife left him. Then later found out that she got a restraining order against him. They were crying, being called pound cake man, being called hunchback. And so, I mean, obviously, they were trying to sue you. They wanted to beat you out of some money. So first, how do you feel after the victory? Victorious, you know, and happy and grateful.
Starting point is 01:12:50 grateful to God that he didn't let them run through my pockets. You know, I watched them cops beat up Rodney King and I watched him get off. So even, you know, right and wrong, they ain't got nothing to do with it. I just knew it could happen. And I'm glad God didn't let it happen this time. So it was, I mean, obviously,
Starting point is 01:13:10 you made this parody video. So let's take it back. So they busted to the gate, bust down the door. They're coming through your house. No charters are following. the damage to your house. Who had to pay for that?
Starting point is 01:13:25 Me. So they damage your gate, they damage your door, going through your house, no charge is filed, and they claim narcotics. Like, where did that even come from? What? They had some criminal informant who gave them some inside information? Yeah, they busted this girl, I don't know, from what they say. some girl had some drugs and something.
Starting point is 01:13:54 She wanted to reduce her sentence and get out or something. So she just starts making up lies on me. You would figure she would make up a believable lie, but she made up an unbelievable lie. I mean, she told him that I had a dungeon and I had kidnapping victims, and I don't have a dungeon or a basement or a kidnapping victim. So anyway, I guess she just wanted to get released
Starting point is 01:14:19 So she just made up this story about me They let her go And they came over here Looking for Whatever they was looking for her And So wait So wait
Starting point is 01:14:31 She made these things up And they believed her Like there was no effort At an investigation And they roll up guns Blazing Believe in that? Yes
Starting point is 01:14:44 And if you go look at the videos I put out Like Lickam Low Lisa if you go look at Brian Newland is a flag I have her in the end of those videos she's saying things
Starting point is 01:14:59 about the same officers that did the raid on her word on me like you know you can go watch it and it's just funny you know and I doubt an investigation
Starting point is 01:15:13 be opened up like they're not going to run people on on them like they ran them on me based on her words. Now they sued you. Are you going to sue her? I'm going to talk. You know, it ain't over.
Starting point is 01:15:31 You know, it ain't over. So I'm going to talk and... Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. You know, I'm going to talk and see what I'm going to do. Right now, I'm just happy that I can, I didn't have to pay no money and I can keep singing my songs. I'm happy about that right now. So, um, so when did you drop the... the videos. Was it after the charters were dropped?
Starting point is 01:15:54 And what was that process where you sat here and said, man, I need to get their ass back. Let me figure out how I can do this. Walk me through that. Okay. I was 65 miles away from home when I got the call that the police were at my house. I pulled into a gas station and got me a Mountain Dew. And I just sat there looking at my phone. Now, hold up. When you say,
Starting point is 01:16:25 We say looking at your phone, so you were looking at your security, you were looking at your security cameras, you were watching them go through your house? Yeah. I was at a speedway with a Mountain Dew Big Gulp, like, well, I, thank you, Lord. I'm out the way. I'm all right, you know, and I'm looking at them, just go through my house and, you know. So first of all, how did they get in? So, wait a bit, hold up. I'm confused.
Starting point is 01:16:55 They roll up with a no-knock warrant? Yeah, they kicked on the door. They was unsuccessful kicking in my... It's the first time I seen cops unsuccessfully kick a door. They couldn't get my front door open. So they grabbed a battering ram out of the car, and they came through my side doors, which is more work, because I got two doors on my side door.
Starting point is 01:17:21 They could have just knocked down one and been in the house. But, you know, they came through my side doors, and they used a battering ramnate and they kicked in two doors instead of one doing even more damage. See, this is not even crazier. Is it even crazier than me that... That's the second...
Starting point is 01:17:37 Go ahead. That's the second. Go ahead. That's the second door they kicked in. I just seen you showing it, yeah. So they got cats in fatigues, assault weapons. So a woman tells them, oh, man, he got drugs, he got a dungeon, he holding people hostage, and they're rolling up with the SWAT team. So...
Starting point is 01:18:00 Yeah. It's that same thing you see on the internet, somebody at Jet Star. They'll be on... Sometimes the guy will film the person that's on the phone and the person to be on the phone exaggerating. It's like SWATI. It's like SWATI. Whatever you want to call.
Starting point is 01:18:20 Yeah, it's called SWATI. Okay. This chick, she gets... busted with whatever she doing. And she wanted to get out of it. So she just, you know, I'm Afro, man. I sing about smoking weed. Everybody, they, they,
Starting point is 01:18:35 I noticed how everybody think I got like, just tons of weed just because I sing about it. No, no, no. That, that only happens if you're a University of Alabama basketball player, and you got bags of weed around the house, uh, 2.1 pounds,
Starting point is 01:18:54 which is, which is, one ounce under the actual law, but go right ahead. Yeah, but, you know, like, I noticed how just, I just noticed in life people think I got more weed than what I do. And so, like, yeah, they, they came up here thinking I got kidnapped victims, you know, hogtide and, and all kind of madness. So anyway, they searched my house. They didn't find nothing. So my ex-wife was on FaceTime with Sergeant Randy Walters.
Starting point is 01:19:31 That's the guy with the full metal jacket helmet and the Battleship. I asked Randy Walters, I said, am I under arrest? He said no. I asked him, are there any charges going to be filed? He said, no. after that I asked him if he had helped me put my door back on the hinges and that's when he cracked this little sarcastic grin
Starting point is 01:19:59 he kind of waddled his head from side to side and he said we're not required to do that and right then I said thank you sir and I didn't want to look at him no more on FaceTime I wanted me and his conversation to end and I didn't want to talk no shit to him or nothing I'm sorry I didn't want to say nothing bad to him or whatever first of all we we
Starting point is 01:20:21 used to custom on the show is why it's called Unfiltered. Oh, okay. I didn't know if I didn't know, yeah. Yeah, trust me. All right. Normally, Risi Cobras with us on Thursdays, and if Risi don't say the F word 20 times, then she must be sick. So we used to it. Okay, I can talk.
Starting point is 01:20:36 So when you sitting there watching this video, and that's when you went, I'm going to light their ass up. I didn't know what I was going to do, but I knew I wanted to do something. Okay, so all of a sudden, so you drop a video. Then you're like, I'm going to do another one. So how many total videos that you do? I did, I think I did about, let's see, pound cake, why you disconnecting my camera.
Starting point is 01:21:06 I think I did another. Oh, will you help me, will you help me repair my gate? Will you help me repair my gate, limit pound cake and disconnecting my camera? I think I did three videos. and I might have did another. Oh, I did, I'm going to have a good time.
Starting point is 01:21:26 So you did the first, you did the first. I did four videos. You did the first one, you went, now let's do another one. And then the second one you went. No. No. I thought about everything I was mad about. I wanted to milk the situation so I could capitalize on it.
Starting point is 01:21:43 Right. So I wrote down everything that made me mad. And I was going to try to make as many songs. as possible. The more songs I got, the more money I can possibly make. So I got the guy, everybody was, the TikTok clip was going famous. The TikTok clip of the guy looking at the pound cake was going famous. Right. So I wanted to write a song about him looking at the pound cake. So then I was mad about them disconnecting my cameras. So I wanted to make a, I wanted to make a song about them disconnected my cameras.
Starting point is 01:22:21 I was mad about them tearing down my door and my gate. So I wrote a song about them tearing down my door and my gate. Then I wanted to be a sport. I wanted to show my family, friends, and peers and my fans how to be happy in a good time, how to make your problems turn into your solution. you know, how not to be a cry baby. And I wrote a song called I'mma have a good time.
Starting point is 01:22:58 And it's like, you know, like I'm going to have a good time even though times are bad. I'm going to be happy even though the world is sad. And I was rapping about, you know, how I was going to come back from the destruction that the Adams County Sheriff brought to my house. I want you to check out that video and all the other ones. But that one is good mental health music. Oh, listen, it was so hilarious because. the Adams County Sheriff's Department in Colorado put out their own video saying,
Starting point is 01:23:25 hey, y'all stop calling us, DMing us, and texting us, and wasn't us. Everybody was getting in on this. But I got to ask you, when Pola Lisa was testifying, Lord, she was crying, she was shedding tears. What were you thinking
Starting point is 01:23:46 sitting in the courtroom watching her up there try to get her Emmy or her Academy Award? I was thinking where was those tears when her finger was around that AR 15 ready to shoot me in my ass? I was thinking, where was them tears when she was disconnected my camera so Brian Newland could steal my money?
Starting point is 01:24:07 I was wondering, where was them tears? You know what I'm saying? When she was looking at me condescending and wouldn't speak back, you know, when I dropped my kids off at school, I look at her, you know, open to, you know, speak to everybody else, you know, when I pulled up with my kid, she gave me this, uh, she had this look on her face like she smelled feces when she'd look at me. You know what I'm saying? And, um, I remember I spoke to her one time when I went in the courthouse and she, she said something back to me. It made me jump, man. I didn't even believe that voice came out of her throat, you know, and I'm not mad at her. Uh, her punishment is she got to hear this song for the rest of her life.
Starting point is 01:24:47 Well, and the crazy part is, you know, I don't want to go. I don't want her to go to hell. I don't want her to die. I don't want her to get her ass kick. She just got to hear this song. As, as, as they say, as I was their hashtag team whip that ass. The thing that got me was by them suing you, they actually made this bigger. Like, I had no idea this went down.
Starting point is 01:25:18 Watch this, brother rolling. Now, I don't know, you know, most of us, brothers and sisters, we come from the ghetto to hood. And one thing I know we learn in the ghetto, don't cry because that's going to make it worse. We learn that as little kids. Like, don't let the other little kids know that hurt your feeling because then they're going to really pick on you. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? But these people ain't learned that lesson.
Starting point is 01:25:41 So they're grown-ass people that don't know that lesson. They don't know. They don't know. Be quiet and it won't be no big. deal. So they, they, they don't realize when they, I went, I went viral when I got rated, they fought. Then I went viral again when they, you know, when they sued me. They fought. They could have settled with me, paid me, or just went away. Then I went viral again when we went to trial. And then during the trial,
Starting point is 01:26:20 they played all the videos that I made fun of their ass with. Then it stream worldwide. I can't even keep up with my numbers. Man, I'm looking at numbers just switch right in front of my face. I ain't never seen it go down like that. You know what I'm saying? And they didn't learn that little ghetto lesson we learned. Don't cry.
Starting point is 01:26:42 They're going to pick on you. But they're supposed to have thick skin. They police officers. Right. And they was wrong rather than eat. humble pie and say, I'm sorry, they messed up and then tried to blame me for their mistake and just tried to just, they threw a brat tantrum and they didn't realize they was messing up. Now, when you go in the wrong direction, you need to turn around as soon as possible.
Starting point is 01:27:07 Because if you keep going to the wrong direction, it's just going to be a long way back. You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. So what they needed to do was nipping in the bud and say, look, brother, I'm sorry. We'll get the, we'll talk about it, we'll get something worked out. I didn't even want to write a song until that dude laughed about knocking my door down. You know, because I'm a brother. I get pulled over all the time.
Starting point is 01:27:31 You know, I ain't no cry, baby. I understand that, you know, some other brothers doing wrong. He might think I'm one of them kind of brothers and he got to realize I ain't, all right, now, all right, yes, whatever. You know, but I just didn't like his attitude after he realized I was a good dude. you know. And when he did that, with that little smirk, that's when you went.
Starting point is 01:27:52 See, now you don't piss me off. You know what? I'm not mad at people for doing wrong. I'm mad at people for not apologizing and not trying to make it right. They got erasers on the end of pencils. You know, all you got to, you know,
Starting point is 01:28:10 that's for a reason. We all make mistakes. Right. When you refuse to make it right, that's the part that makes me mad. And now what they've done is because of the truth, trial, they've given you even more fodder for more videos.
Starting point is 01:28:21 But I got to play this from here because I need to hear, I need to know what your reaction was when this happened during the trial. I was in tears yesterday when your lawyer, you already know what I'm about to play. When your lawyer asked these questions. 30 years. Got into the mind of kids pretty well. Yes. When they would play Mr. Foreman's song Lemon Pound Cake, did they take that as a literal fact from your observations?
Starting point is 01:28:54 No. Were they laughing and joking about it? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Are you familiar with the song WAP? I think I've heard it. I'm going to give you the complete song and then summarize it. Are you familiar with the song Wet Ass Pussy?
Starting point is 01:29:20 Yes. Is that a rap song? It is. Has your students played in class? Once, and I asked them to please turn it off. When they were listening to it, did they think that was fact? No. So they didn't think that that was depicting anything in real life?
Starting point is 01:29:37 No. So you didn't have to teach them that wasn't real? Right, no, I did not. You've heard this song, correct? Mm-hmm, yes. Do you believe it's a literal interpretation? No. Would you agree it's derogatory towards women?
Starting point is 01:29:58 No. No. Even though it says nasty things about it? Yeah, no. I mean, it's the artist's opinion, I guess. That's the way I feel. Maybe not an opinion you like, but... Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:12 Ms. Grimm's, has Mr. Foreman's posts about Sean or any of the general posts about the Adams County Sheriff's Department as a whole, affected your life any at all? No. Would you believe it would have affected your life, why you were married to Sean? If it had any effect, I guess that would be the time. guess that would be the time it would have an effect. But as his spouse, you would have expected? Yes. I want you to go into too many.
Starting point is 01:30:47 But is it fair to say that Mr. Foreman in the post about the police department, everything, had not a damn thing to do with your relationship between you and Sean. No. No, it did not. Well, it's the artist's opinion if they have WAP. I just said that. Oh, so you're sitting in court. I know you're trying hard not to bust out laughing in front of that jury.
Starting point is 01:31:18 I tried, I tried, man. You know, some couple times I just put my head over my mouth. I didn't laugh. Like, I love laughing. I don't like when you can't laugh. You know, my whole life, you know, I love to laugh, even in bad times. So, you know, I didn't know how people, you know. I laughed, though.
Starting point is 01:31:34 Sometimes I laughed, though. You know, if it was funny, I laughed. All right. I didn't get ridiculous. Okay, before I go to my panel, quick, the suit that you got on, Do you normally wear that or would you say, hey, this is the First Amendment trial. I'm going to pull a Larry Flint and break out an American flag suit. You know, to be honest with you, I'm a theme man.
Starting point is 01:31:58 I love dressing for the occasion. However, I hate to admit this is working, bro. I might have to get me my 10, 20 more at ease. Man, listen, you had the suit, you had the tie, you got the shades. I know you got the socks to match. I know you coordinated. Man, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I can, hey, hey, I'm working on the socks, man.
Starting point is 01:32:23 Give me a minute. Oh, I was sure you had the socks. And then I'm trying to find a video. I'm trying to find a video when you walked in court that damn white ass fur. It took me back because, you know, the Michael Irvin drug. Remember Michael Irving got busted for drugs? I don't. Okay, Michael Irving played for the Cowboys.
Starting point is 01:32:45 He was in a hotel room. Yeah, I know him. He's from Miami. That's my memory. All right, well, when he got busted, he got busted for drugs in the hotel room. Well, I broke that story. And Michael came to the grand jury
Starting point is 01:32:57 in a black meat coat and some shades walking down. When I saw you with that damn white meat coat coming to the courtroom, that's the first thing I thought about. And I was like, though he is not strolling in here with that white coat. I didn't know that.
Starting point is 01:33:11 I forgot they had it. It was cold outside. It was real cold. Oh, I found it. They called it April. It is. Y'all got to send me a clip of that. You strolled in with that.
Starting point is 01:33:31 Oh, my God. Let me see. Let me go by panel for questions. Winconi, you get the first question for Afro-Man. Afro-Man, you're a legend. You're a legend. I wanted to know what happened to that fours. $400 that you said that they stole from you because you said there was $400 missing after the rate.
Starting point is 01:33:49 Did we ever find out what happened to the $400? I still ain't got it, baby. Yeah, I ain't go lie to you. They still owe me $400 to this day. And I'm still, I'm going to stay on them. I'm on them, you know, but they owe me $400. So, you know, I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it.
Starting point is 01:34:08 I ain't forgot about nothing. That's right. Rebecca. So Afro-Man, you definitely are a legend, and you are now a meme in these Internet streets. So thank you so much for supporting the First Amendment. That's extremely important. You're welcome. Because in this day and time, the First Amendment is under attack.
Starting point is 01:34:30 So now I've got to ask you my question. This president has been attacking the First Amendment. Does that change whether or not you support him, assuming that you supported him in the past? Believe it or not, I ran for president. I called it 20-20 fro. I ran for president. I said weed. I said weed.
Starting point is 01:34:54 I said weed W-E-D shall overcome. I was running against him. I took a picture. You know, I'm a rapper and, you know, I'm a player. So it's all about publicity and running the numbers up and getting some more money. You know, I took a picture shaking his hand, but I was running against him. Um, uh, I don't, you know, like, you know, like, I don't support certain things he, I don't support certain things he do. I don't like all his moves against black people. I don't like reinstating all of these Confederate, uh, situations. Um, I got my, you know, all his anti-black issues I got a problem with. Uh, I, uh, I'll stand with him on getting the- I'm Iris Palmer and my new podcast is called against all odds, and that's exactly what the show is about, doing whatever it takes to be the odds.
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Starting point is 01:37:54 Who do you think he is? I don't know. You mean it to, like, the president? You think Canada has a president. You think China has a president. Those law a crusette. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time.
Starting point is 01:38:08 I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old. Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. It was a good one. I like that snake. It is an actual Polish saying. Yeah, it is an actual Polish saying. Better version of Play Stupid Games, win stupid prizes. Yes.
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Starting point is 01:40:09 You know, this, but it's like this right here, like, I, am running, I was running for president for me. You know, I'm a politician. You know, that's the politically correct white word, but I'm a player. So I'm trying to, I'm trying to make money and make deals with everybody. You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to, a player ain't got no enemies. We go, oh, make some money.
Starting point is 01:40:32 You know, okay, all right. Now, so, you know, you know, I'm Afro man. I'm the, I'm the blackest man in the world. You know, my name is my race. So I'm against all anti-blackness. You know, I love you, but I love myself too. You know what I'm saying? So if you love me back, you wouldn't be doing nothing that I hurt me
Starting point is 01:40:53 or give me the short end of the stick. You know what I'm saying? Hey, you're supposed to love your neighbor like yourself and all that type of stuff. So I hope I'm not drifting away from the question. But I'm not with... What's the original question? You know, I had a little medicine before the show.
Starting point is 01:41:12 The original question was, do you support Donald Trump? Um, right now, you know, like, I never, you know, I never, I never, I never liked his anti-blackness, you know, like he, you know, I, um, you know, I should just, you know, whatever, I took a picture. Like I said, I'm a player. But like, um, I'm all about getting money. So. Did you vote for him? When I, huh, no, no. The reason why I didn't vote for him is because, you know, I should be a Republican because I make money. I make big money. I know some rich-ass Democrats.
Starting point is 01:41:53 But listen to me. Listen to me. Listen to me. He wanted to give police officers 100% immunity. That was my deal breaker with him. Before I can get my big Republican tax break, I need my black life. I can't get my tax break if I don't have my black life. And if he give police officers like them seven people that was trying to sue me 100% immunity,
Starting point is 01:42:21 I'm not going to have my black life. So the police officers was the deal breaker with me and Donald Trump, because I'm a black man in America. All right then. And matter of fact, somebody actually sent me a text and they wanted me to ask the question. Rebecca already asked it. I just got two more questions for you. questions for you. One, Fat Joe said yesterday's price ain't today's price. So all is went down.
Starting point is 01:42:50 Has your performance fee increased? And you know why? Yeah. Yes, I would assume today's price is not the same as. Oh, man. Sky, baby. Prices is going up. Hey. Hey, why. I just going to do. The economy's doing good. God bless America. Amen. The American dream. I am the American dream. I am somebody, Jesse Jackson.
Starting point is 01:43:25 Rest in peace. Amen. All right. So my last question. Ms. Patty LaBelle made a lot of money with her patty pies. Are we going to see a line of Afro-Man lemon pound cake? I'm trying to do it and help me do it
Starting point is 01:43:44 brother because I you know I can't you know I want my name I want my brand but I can't cook them I can't you know
Starting point is 01:43:51 they got that's a perishable product so I got to figure out how to pull that off but I do want to do it you know what I'm saying I mean because you're
Starting point is 01:43:59 somebody that to help me pull it off I'm all about it I mean listen there are folk out there they do that and people are watching
Starting point is 01:44:07 because again my man was on that stand and it was killing him, they say. So, and then, of course, and they kept showing him looking at that pound cake. And you know, you know, you know, for the rest of his life,
Starting point is 01:44:22 when he pissed somebody off, they're going to call his ass pound cake. Hey, even if they're happy with him. He's still a pound cake. The other sheriff, if you listen to his testimony, he was mad because in the, look here, he's an Ohio sheriff.
Starting point is 01:44:36 Now, he's an Adams County, Ohio sheriff, but he's an, Ohio Sheriff. The sheriff is the same all over Ohio. All the other Ohio sheriffs pick on him. They know him. He's like this, like this funny
Starting point is 01:44:52 cartoon guy that they, hey, Officer Poundke. Yeah, drop the lower 3rd so we can see the Pound Cake. That's right. Boy, he was eyeing that, boy, he wanted and I'm so just so, you know, I'm so mad. I just finished. I went to the dentist
Starting point is 01:45:09 before my show. And I did have Daisy's lemon pound cake. I did. I couldn't eat anything hard. And so I couldn't, so I needed something soft to eat. Y'all think I'm lying. I'm not lying. I literally came from the dinner straight here.
Starting point is 01:45:28 That's the only thing I could eat. And so I did have a piece of lemon pound cake. So if somebody out there, if you were in the food business, and they got frozen food. I'm telling you, Afro-Man lemon pound cake should be packaged and ready for Thanksgiving orders. I'm looking for a lemon pound cake deal. Hey, I want a cake company just to give me a check
Starting point is 01:45:55 and put my label on the cake and let's go. Hey, let's go. Lemon pound cake, let's do it. All right, Afro-Man first. And again, I know people, and Rebecca alluded to this, folk, I know we're having fun joking, but I need to remind people, and I told you this yesterday, Luther Campbell took a case to the Supreme Court and won.
Starting point is 01:46:17 And Luther Campbell wrote it in his book. He was actually a little hurt because Michael Jackson and his lawyers filed an amicus brief against Luther Campbell's case. He took it to the United States Supreme Court and won. That Luther Campbell case, among others, allows for artists to make parody songs and not be sued. So clearly these folks didn't read the damn law when it came to parody songs that can be made.
Starting point is 01:46:48 So this absolutely was a First Amendment case. And this will go down. Yes, sir. And people, folks watching and listening, I'm not joking about this here. This is going to be, this case will go down and when they talk about legal cases as it relates to music, parodies,
Starting point is 01:47:06 and the First Amendment. So we had lots of fun with it, but this is a real case that had legal ramifications, and that's why you won. So, Afro, man, congratulations with that. I do gotta ask, well, you only got one suit,
Starting point is 01:47:23 so were you cleaning that suit before trial every day? Yeah, I was coming home, washing it, hanging it on the back of the chair, had the ironing board ready to go, man. Same old suit. Just reheat.
Starting point is 01:47:36 heated. Amen. Rest in peace. All right. Well, you definitely got to get you a few more there. So, yeah, I think that will now be your official uniform. So if Frankie Beverly Mays wore white, you're going to be wearing that U.S. flag suit, tie, and shades, and you're going to have to get them damn socks.
Starting point is 01:47:55 What color are your shoes? All right, man, I'm going to try to show you. Here go. I'm a big boy. Give me a minute. Oh, baby. Because I'm looking. Hey.
Starting point is 01:48:05 Damn, you got the flag. I knew it. I knew it. Man. Oh, man. I'm going to get down with the get down, brother. All right, then. All right.
Starting point is 01:48:17 Well, you're there in Ohio, so you should be hooking up with Dave Chappelle. All right. Give me his phone number. I know he up around dating, like some of your people, that helped me get on the computer. You got some dating people up in there. All right. Well, I'm going to send Dave a text message for you.
Starting point is 01:48:35 So my producer, my producer, will send me your number, and then I'll connect a connect Dave. But this is, listen, I'm telling you, I had way too much fun playing clips from this trial on yesterday's show. Please continue to do so. Put them in rotation. Every now I needed to get dull or boring. Play one of my clips, man. Help me y'all.
Starting point is 01:48:56 Keep it circulating, man. All right. All right, Everman, thanks a lot. Take care. Yes, sir, brother. Appreciate it. I told y'all this is the blackest show on television. I keep telling y'all that.
Starting point is 01:49:07 Don't get no blacker than this. This is how we do. Oh, look. The Afro-Man say something? What he says, pulling back up? Did he say something? What did he say that? Oh, God.
Starting point is 01:49:19 I'm telling him, it's the blackest show, bro. It's how we doing. All right, y'all. Let me go to a break. Matter of fact, let's go back to the Black Stunt Network headlines of Brittany Noble. A recent ruling by the Alabama Supreme Court is raising serious concerns
Starting point is 01:49:34 about the extended police officers authority during investigations. This ruling follows the case of Michael Jennings, a black pastor who was wrongful. arrested in 2022. Jennings was watering his neighbor's flowers when officers approached him in response to a 911 call that reported a young blackmail outside some homes. Jennings identified himself and explained that his neighbors had asked him to water their plants while they were away. But when he refused to show his ID, the officers arrested him. He was charged with obstructing
Starting point is 01:50:02 a government operation. But that charge was later dismissed. Jennings subsequently sued the city and the officers for false arrest, but the federal judge dismissed the lawsuit. The Alabama Supreme Court ruled six to three that police officers can demand to see physical identification during a stop if they are not satisfied with the individual's verbal responses. Pennsylvania Congresswoman Summer Lee filed articles of impeachment against Attorney General Pam Bondi. His action comes after growing concerns about how the Justice Department is managing the release of FBI files related to child sex abuser Jeffrey Epstein. The resolution introduced by Lee accuses Bondi of high crimes and misdemeanors. The alleged offenses include to find a subpoena from the House Oversight Committee to release the full upscene files violating the Epstein File Transparency Act. In July of 2025, Lee filed a motion to compel the Department of Justice to release the complete and unredacted upseem files,
Starting point is 01:50:58 a process that has been ongoing since August of 2025. Additionally, in January of 2026, she introduced an amendment to hold Bondi and civil contempt for her noncompliance with the Oversight Committee subpoena. to release these files. Your airport could get shut down. If Congress doesn't agree on funding for Department of Homeland Security, Transportation Secretary, administration officers missed their first full
Starting point is 01:51:22 paycheck last week and security lines at some airports stretched well outside the terminals at some facilities at security. Employees called out to seek other sources of income. Acting Deputy TSA administrator Adam Stahl says that if the situation does not improve, some smaller airports may be forced to shut down.
Starting point is 01:51:40 The partial government shutdown primarily affects funding for DHS, which houses the TSA. The partial government shut down has forced 50,000 TSA airport security officers to work without pay for the last month, and 10% of them did not show up for work on March 15th. TSA officers said that they have been struggling to make ends meet after their first missed paycheck. A statue of a slave owner will be displayed in Washington, D.C., for America's 250th birthday. But for the past six years, a towering bronze statue of Caesar Rodney, a signer of the Declaration of Independence and slave owner, has been gathering dust in storage at a Delaware warehouse. Well, soon the statue of Rodney astride his horse removed from public view during the 2020 racial justice protest will be brought to the nation's capital and displayed on an outdoor concourse between the White House and the U.S. Capitol. The National Park Service plans to install the Rodney Statute temporarily in Freedom Plaza, not to federal park downtown, renamed to honor Martin Luther King Jr.
Starting point is 01:52:44 An interior department spokesperson says as we approach America's 250th anniversary, the Trump administration has been committed to celebrating and acknowledging the full breadth of our nation's history. Rodney owned a plantation with more than 200 slaves. After a six-year-long legal battle with Harvard University, in Boston. Tamar Lanier wins ownership of two of the earliest known photographs of enslaved people in the United States. The images taken in 1850 depict an enslaved man named Brentie Taylor and his daughter, Delia. They were originally commissioned by Harvard biologist Louis Agassiz and were part of a research project, rooted in racist pseudoscience that attempted to promote theories of black inferiority. For decades,
Starting point is 01:53:32 the portraits remained in Harvard's possession and were widely reproduced in academic settings. But Lanier says that she was in the direct descendant line of Rensi and Dalia in challenging universities' ownership in court, arguing that the images were taken without consent and belonged to the family. Morehouse School of Medicine has received a lofty check from the federal government, all thanks to one Georgia congresswoman. U.S. representative Nekima Williams secured nearly $1 million, $950. thousand to be exact to help the medical school construct a new academic and research building. Money stems from the 2023 community project funding. Williams, who represents Georgia's
Starting point is 01:54:12 fifth congressional district, also noted that the federal funding will aid the medical school's expansion of biomedical research and workforce development. Morehouse School of Medicine is the only historically black medical school in Atlanta, although no longer affiliated with Morehouse College, the school continues to educate a diverse population of medical students. And according to the Princeton Review, roughly 80% of its student body identifies as black.
Starting point is 01:54:40 All right, Brittany, we appreciate it, folks. Don't forget, watch the breakdown with Brittany Noble every day, noon, eastern, right here on the Black Stud Network. Again, the breakdown of Brittany Noble, noon Eastern every day. All right, folks, remember we had the black woman from Texas on who got stopped by a cop
Starting point is 01:54:55 in Hearst, Texas. Well, they've now released the body cam video. They, of course, accusing him using excessive force during her arrest. And so we showed you the video that she captured in her car. Now, here is the video that's actually from the police officer. Roll it. I'm Copo Morgan with the Hearst Police Department.
Starting point is 01:55:33 The reason why you're getting stopped, you were just driving through a school zone going 40. It's a 25 through there. Do you have your driver's license proof of insurance with you today? Where are you all heading to this afternoon? Home. What coming from? Why? Just a question.
Starting point is 01:55:53 I'm sorry? It's not a business. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Do you have your insurance? I'm showing the car. Any reason for the hurry this afternoon?
Starting point is 01:56:13 I wasn't in a hurry. I didn't even see a school system. Oh, there's a flashing signal as you were driving through directly on the side of the roadway. Can I see your phone? That's good till March. check on your license I'll be right back with you I'll just stay in the car for me okay Tanisha you'll be receiving a citation today for the speed I just need to get a signature from you this is not an admission of guilt it's a promise you
Starting point is 01:57:15 not gonna sign it that's fine I'll just put refuse I need to get the VIN number on the car real quick I'll enter that I'll print you your copy and send you on your way where's your registration sticker on the core okay I'm just asking okay do you have your bill of sale with the car then no No, I don't. Okay, you should probably carry that with you if you're not going to display your registration sticker. Well, I wasn't told that, so you might need to get updated on the walls. Give me just a second.
Starting point is 01:58:30 Here's your copy of the citation. As far as the bills, you don't want to take it? No. Well, it's going to take it because it's your citation. That's lettering. Step out of the car. Citation, that's lettering. Step out of the car.
Starting point is 01:58:47 No, just don't do that. Yes, ma'am. Step out. I'm not step out. 6963. I'm not gonna keep out step out step out don't touch me don't touch me step it out my mess up I am the supervisor I am the supervisor yes I am I am the cop soon out of nothing get your hand off me get your hand off me I will step out
Starting point is 01:59:14 on the supervisor I am the supervisor I am not stepping out of nothing ma'am decision I'm not letting go let you you later you try to I put the ticket in the car because that's your copy. You dropped the ticket, not me. Get your hands off me. Take the ticket and go. Give me the ticket. You're touching me forcibly.
Starting point is 01:59:34 You're holding me too tight and you're being out of line. You are resisting. You don't see this, right? Sir, I'm sorry. Stop. Can she just get the ticket? No, you stop. Why are you holding my arm like this?
Starting point is 01:59:43 Because I gave you the ticket. Then you proceeded to throw it. I put it in your car. I told you I did not want it. And you proceeded to throw it out of the car. You dropped it. You're doing too much. I'm not afraid of you.
Starting point is 01:59:53 Get your hand off of me. You're holding me for no reason. Because you need to step out of the car. Step out of the car. Now, what am I step out of a car for? Is there anything I can do to get you to comply? Look, Mom, he just said take the ticket out of the car. No, I did not. You did that.
Starting point is 02:00:10 You threw the ticket at me. I gave it to you so you could leave. And then you grabbed it and threw it out. It's on your phone video. Give me the ticket. No, we're past that. Okay. You're under arrest.
Starting point is 02:00:20 Step out of the car, littering. I'm Iris Palmer. And my new podcast is called Against All Odds, and that's exactly what the show is about, doing whatever it takes to be the odds. Get ready to hear from some of your favorite entrepreneurs and entertainers as they share stories about defying expectations, overcoming barriers and breaking generational patterns. I'm talking to people like award-winning actress, producer, and director, Eva Longoria. I think I had like $200 in my savings account, and my mom goes, what are you going to do? And I was like, I'll figure it out. We got a one-bedroom apartment for like $400 a month.
Starting point is 02:00:53 and we all could not afford. Like, I was like, how am I going to make $100 a month? I'm opening up like I've never before. For those of you who think you know me from what you've seen on social media, get ready to see a whole new side of me. Listen to Against All Odds with Iris Palmer as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. When you listen to podcasts about AI and tech and the future of humanity,
Starting point is 02:01:20 the hosts always act like they know what they're talking. about and they are experts at everything. Here, the Nick Dick and Poll show, we're not afraid to make mistakes. What Kugler did that I think was so unique. He's the writer-director. Who do you think he is? I don't know.
Starting point is 02:01:37 You meet the like the president? You think Canada has a president? You think China has a president? Those law crusade. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time. I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying,
Starting point is 02:01:53 Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. Yep. It was a good one. It is an actual Polish saying. It is an actual Polish saying. Better version of Play Stupid Games, win stupid prizes. Yes.
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Starting point is 02:02:18 Chairman and CEO of IHard Media, and I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, math and magic stories from the frontiers of marketing. Math and magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds in marketing. I'm talking to leaders from the entertainment industry to finance and everywhere in between. This seasonal math and magic, I'm talking to CEO of Liquid Death Mike Cessario,
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Starting point is 02:03:18 I'm Anna Navarro, and on my new podcast, bleep with Anna Navarro. I'm talking to the people closest to the biggest issues happening in your community and around the world. Because I know deep down inside right now, we are all cursing and asking what the bleep is going on. I'm talking to people like Julie K. Brown, who broke the explosive story on Jeffrey Epstein in 2018. These victims have been let down time and time again for decades and decades by local law enforcement, by federal law enforcement, by administration after administration. The Justice Department through, I think we counted four presidential administrations, failed these victims.
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Starting point is 02:04:40 And listen to Amy and T.J. on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Step out of the car. You're under arrest. Yes, ma'am. When your car don't get here. I'll be on that. Step out. I'm not getting out of the car. Step out. I understand you're with your child. Step out of the car. Step out of the car. I'm not. I'll step out when another officer gets here. I'm not step out. I don't trust you. You're holding me too strong. Because I don't trust you to hold me. Like, I'm not going anywhere. Where am I going to go? I will stop holding you if you step out of the car. I'm not stepping out of the car. You need to step out of the car. This is resisting arrest. I'm not resisting arrest. Because you're not answering my order. I didn't litter. You threw the ticket out of the window. No, I did not. You did that.
Starting point is 02:05:27 You did that. It's all on camera. So when your colonel gets here, then I will step out. I have my child with me. I am not getting out of the... You have a supervisor. I am the supervisor on duty. He is not...
Starting point is 02:05:41 I am the highest ranking supervisor. I don't have anyone else. There is someone else. Not right now. There is someone else. You need to step out of the car. Stop. Get your phone.
Starting point is 02:05:50 Stop. Get out. Stop. Wait, stop, man, chill out. Wait, let me stop, stop, please stop. Get out. Stop, stop, stop, stop. Wait, stop, stop.
Starting point is 02:06:00 Get out, man. Right, um, let me give the opinion of my two panelists before I weigh in. Um, Rebecca, you first. Um, those are all are always very difficult to watch. Um, there, there's a lot there. Um, I also know. that my parents let me know, like, if we get pulled over, you don't talk, you don't speak. I'm not saying that to blame the woman's child here.
Starting point is 02:06:38 But I do think it's important for people to understand this is America, and you have to teach, if you are black in this country, you have to teach your entire household of what it looks like and what experiences are with interacting with the police. And make sure that everybody inside your house is on code. These things are very difficult to watch. And yes, there's all sorts of people who can say, oh, well, she had attitude or she did this or she did that. The bottom line is white people in this country don't get arrested for littering. So even if that is the underlining supposed charge, you don't get arrested for that.
Starting point is 02:07:15 That's a citation at most. Winnicone? I like Rebecca, feel very challenged by the clip. Obviously, my heart goes out to her. My heart goes out to her young son that had to witness his mother being manhandled. But I lean back to what Rebecca said about being taught how to interact with the police. And it's a shame that we do have to be taught how to interact with the police, oftentimes at a young age as a black person in this country.
Starting point is 02:07:52 but I feel like I felt very nervous and scared for the woman to Nisha throughout the entire interaction because she broke almost every rule that I had been taught in interacting with the police. And I'm not to say that those rules are right or wrong, but what those rules were conveyed to me were to keep me alive and safe through the encounter. We already know that the criminal justice system in this country is not made for us. It's not made for us. It's not fair. It's not judicious, right?
Starting point is 02:08:23 So let's start by saying that and getting that out the way. Number two, this is Texas, okay? And I'm not going to say too much more about it. Roland, I know you from Texas and everybody else watching knows what that means. This is Texas. So I think we need to be very, very particular in how we conduct ourselves. Should we want to survive the encounter? Should we have to?
Starting point is 02:08:44 No, we should not have to. We should not have to behave in a way that's different from white people when they're pulled over. But do we have to? Yes. I was very nervous because had the police officer chosen, he could have taken this into a different way. We've seen countless videos in which the ending that this video had was not the ending, right? The ending could have been with death.
Starting point is 02:09:07 The ending could have been with trauma, more trauma, additional trauma for that young man. And so, I mean, honestly, it's a heinous situation for everyone involved, right? I'm not advocating that black people should have to, yes, no sir, but unfortunately, that's the reality in this country with cops. All right, so let me weigh in. I have, we have run numerous these videos. We've run them a number of times. We have broken these videos down.
Starting point is 02:09:41 We have analyzed the video from the perspective of the police officer, from the driver, all these different videos. And as I was watching the video the entire time, because this was the dash cam video, I wanted, I wanted to see his demeanor. I wanted to listen to his demeanor. I'm studying all of that. And I'm just going to say it.
Starting point is 02:10:12 She was dead ass wrong. She was dead as wrong. Follow what I'm saying. You can be perturbed and upset. but do you have to give attitude? Now I'm watching the whole thing and I'm watching how stuff was answered she told him he needs to check the law
Starting point is 02:10:39 when it came to the stickers. No, come on. The sticker is on the windshield. Like, we all know the law. It was that back and forth. But then when he comes, and I'm listening, when he brings a ticket back, and he says, this is not an admission of guilt.
Starting point is 02:10:57 she refuses it y'all you take the ticket take the ticket then because she wouldn't take it he tossed it to the car she tosses it back out that's all unnecessary
Starting point is 02:11:15 now he says she lit her that's actually not an arrestable offense what he should have done was ma'am I'm gonna give you an opportunity to take the ticket
Starting point is 02:11:32 but if you don't take the ticket I'm going to give you another ticket for littering. All right? So he immediately went to get out of the car. Here's the thing in Texas. When a lawful command is given, you have to obey. Remember the Sandra Blan video?
Starting point is 02:11:49 Remember what happened there? Okay? When she was smoking and he told her to put it out and she was like, I don't have to? She didn't. When he gave her the command and she said no,
Starting point is 02:12:02 that's when he took to open. open the door. It was lawful command. Happened there. Should not have happened. He should not have taken it there. But what I don't understand is, why the attitude? And then you hear her son, mom chill, mom chill. When you are an adult and you got kids in the car, you got to factor that in. So I was sitting here watching like, babe, just take the ticket. Hit the ticket, move on. Fight it, do whatever. But we also cannot escalate a situation.
Starting point is 02:12:47 I know that if I am, if I get pulled over, okay? So I've always said on this show, cops should de-escalate. But I also don't want to escalate. And so how I behave is also important. how you behave is not a legal issue but how you behave also impacts what is happening in that particular moment I'm listening to his tone
Starting point is 02:13:20 I did not hear a hyper-aggressive cop like we've seen before and I was sitting there like why we got the tune why we're upset why we like just sit there and my I got pulled over in Hirsch before I lived in fact when I went to go work at the Fort Worth Star Telegram it's called first of all it's called H-E-B is Hurst Ulyss-B
Starting point is 02:13:45 it's three cities that are right next to each other it's called H-EB I remember getting pulled over cops said legal lane change when he asked me my ID I gave my ID also gave my Texas Department of Public Safety a press pass I ain't get a ticket now I was on the phone He was talking, I was actually laughing because I thought it was hilarious that he was pulled in the middle before a so-called illegal lane change. What I'm saying is, y'all, we also should not escalate stuff.
Starting point is 02:14:19 Yo, chill, take the ticket. They hanged the ticket. He said, ma'am, this is not an admission of guilt. I've gotten that story numerous times as well. Take the ticket, sit it down. I'm going about my way. Now we ain't got no drama. So I just, I am not going, I am going to, y'all know what I say.
Starting point is 02:14:41 If you do good, I'm going to talk about you. If you do bad, I'm going to talk about you. If you do bad, I'm going to talk about you. And I just don't understand why she took it there. I just don't. I get being pissed off, but she says, well, I didn't see it. We all been there. We all have said, I didn't see the red light, I didn't see the stop sign, I didn't see this.
Starting point is 02:15:04 Yo, take the ticket and move on. But you don't, and especially with your 15-year-old child's in the car, I'm sorry. I'm not going to take it there. But I listen to the cop. Littering is not in the restable offense. Hit it with a ticket. And then, you know what?
Starting point is 02:15:25 If she throw both tickets out of the window, give another ticket. But I just don't, I'm not going to defend everything. I had a problem with the attitude. Anything else from y'all? Look, attitude doesn't equal an arrest either. And so I agree. I'm just going to sit down here. Like, look, people have a bad day, and sometimes people are triggered.
Starting point is 02:15:49 And I'm not going to second-guess a black person in this country if they get triggered by the presence of law enforcement. I'm going to second-guess a black person being triggered. If you have your son in your car, and if that situation further escalates, that could put your son or daughter in danger. I mean, when I, I've raised nine nieces, I've raised six of my nieces. If my nieces are in the car with me and I get arrested,
Starting point is 02:16:17 my objective is to get my nieces home, no matter how pissed off I am, because I got a basic ticket. And I've gotten speeding tickets. I've gotten, but what I'm not going to do is, I'm going to just take the ticket. I'm not going to throw it off the window. I'm not.
Starting point is 02:16:32 Look, when people are in Trump, And when people are in the middle of trauma, their brain isn't online. Like that's literally the definition of being triggered, right? It's not just a catchphrase. It's an actual thing where your frontal lobe is deactivated and it's not turned on. And in my opinion, that's what we saw here. What's unfortunate is that there are situations where you could do all the right things, wear the right clothes, speak to set right things,
Starting point is 02:16:58 and you could be sedate and demure and all those things, and they could still go left. one thing that I will say that law enforcement officers do have a heightened responsibility like you mentioned to de-esculate. Some of them are professional and do so and some of them are not. In this situation, it's very
Starting point is 02:17:17 unfortunate. Well, I was watching, listen, I was watching both of them and I was listening. I was assessing everything. I was assessing tone. I was assessing how he got out of the car. He approached
Starting point is 02:17:33 the car in aggressive manner, all of those particular things. But even when he came back with a ticket, I'm listening to it, and I'm not hearing aggressive. And I'm sitting there going, take the ticket. Take the ticket. Because when she was on the show, she was like, well, y'all didn't see what happened before. Well, I just saw it. I'm sorry. I, I, go ahead.
Starting point is 02:17:57 I actually appreciate seeing the body cam footage in its entirety because I think context helps. I'm of two minds on this. What Rebecca said is true, right? When people are triggered and traumatized, ain't no telling how they're going to act. But Roland, you're right in saying, when we have minors in the car, the number one priority is to get home a lot. That's my hope in any black person's interaction with the police officer. Get home alive. A ticket, we can fight that in court. What we can't fight is a bullet entering your body. I think based on black people have to understand that. We can contest about the litter in court.
Starting point is 02:18:39 We'll have our day in court. We can't contest it if you're bleeding out on the street, right? So I think that we really have to be, we have to be mindful of the fact that, yes, there is a target on our back as a black person in America. We're not here to rewrite history. Yo, I mean, listen, the whole thing about the sticker, first of all, let me be real clear.
Starting point is 02:19:00 Not displaying a sticker. that also could have got the ticket. I was pulling up to a dullest airport. I get out to check in my bag. I'm trying to catch a flight. I check it in up top and I'm about to go driving to Valet.
Starting point is 02:19:17 Black cop stops me. I don't see your sticker. I was like, damn, I got the one black person who don't listen to Tom, John's morning show, or watch TV one. But he stopped. I was like...
Starting point is 02:19:30 Rowling, he might have know who you were. I was like, no, no, no, he ain't no. No, he ain't no, he ain't know, he ain't know, he ain't know. Other cops, I remember, I made a quick lane change in D.C. And the cop hit the light, yo, he went. Oh, damn, Roe. He said, man, he said, slow don't I'm making that lane switch. No, this cop didn't know who the hell I was.
Starting point is 02:19:50 And the bottom line is, I got a ticket. Was I pissed? Yeah. Was I trying to catch a flight? Yeah. But I took the damn ticket. I didn't make a big deal out of it because I didn't have the sticker. That's all I'm saying.
Starting point is 02:20:02 I'm just saying that I want, I am not going. And again, I'm listening to the cop. This is what I hear. I really hear him at a three, and I progressively hear her go from a four to five to a six, okay? But even when she was at an eight, I'm still hearing him right here. I was like, I'm watching it going,
Starting point is 02:20:27 just take the ticket. It's not in the mission of guilt. Just take the ticket. That's when you say, appreciate it. You could give him attitude taking the ticket. I'm just saying that I'm just, I just didn't understand,
Starting point is 02:20:43 no I ain't taking it. And he throws it in and she throws it back out. I just don't, that made no sense to me. I just don't, I don't get it. I'm saying, I'm not going to escalate it. I know what I'm going to do. Now, if you're a cop, if your ass escalate, and in fact, this is actually how,
Starting point is 02:21:01 I think. I'm gonna let you escalate. I ain't escalating. And even in that point, her son is saying, Mom, chill, just take the ticket. Yo, she is just gone.
Starting point is 02:21:17 I'm sorry. In that moment, I got to be thinking about him. And I don't want this man to do nothing to impact him. And that's all I'm saying. I'm just saying, folk, if you get a ticket, just take the ticket. It's a ticket. I paid them shit online.
Starting point is 02:21:38 I paid them, I paid them shits online. All right, that's $35. All right, that's $80. What I'm not going to do is potentially get a bullet over a pooky butt-ass ticket. I'm not. I'm just not. So disagree with me. That's fine, but that's just, that's just me.
Starting point is 02:21:57 All right, y'all. Oh, last night, shout out, prayer view. Y'all are going to have to send me some gear. I don't be in the prayer view so many times. They didn't send me no gear. Last night, first of all, three HBCUs have made March Madness, y'all. Three, prayer view, Howard University, Tennessee State, okay? And last night, Prayer View won their game.
Starting point is 02:22:22 Oh, four thought they were going to lose. No, PV-1 last night. And remember, they upset Southern in the SWAC championship to make it into the tournament. So they won last night. Howard plays tonight. Let me check. Are they playing?
Starting point is 02:22:37 Is the game on? Do y'all have... It's on. It started at 7th. Yeah, I'm looking right now. Let's see here. So Howard is right now with 323. Don't go...
Starting point is 02:22:47 Yeah, you can go to my iPad. We're not showing video, so we want to breaking any of the rules. 323 left in the first half. Howard's down by 6. They're playing Michigan. Howard is a 16 seed. Michigan is a 1-6. And so that game is going on right now.
Starting point is 02:23:01 Not sure when, let me go ahead and click this right here. Let me see when Tennessee State is playing. Tennessee State, I'm looking. Not sure which bracket they're in. So allow me to, let's see. Oh, here we go. So tomorrow, 250 p.m. Tennessee State is going to play Iowa State.
Starting point is 02:23:25 Tennessee State is a 15 seed. Iowa is a 2. So big congratulations to the Prairie View A&M Panthers for winning their first round game. In fact, they beat Lehigh. Here's the go. This is the box score of that game. Prayer View beat Lehigh, 67255. And let me see here, because that was the first four.
Starting point is 02:23:45 And Prairie View now, let's see who they're going to play next. They're going to play Florida tomorrow. So Tennessee State plays tomorrow at 250 p.m. Eastern. and Prairie View plays at 9.25 at PM Eastern tomorrow. So again, big ups to Prairie View, and good luck to the Howard Bison and Tennessee State Tigers. All right, y'all, that is it for us, Win Cooney. Thanks a bunch.
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