#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Byron Allen slaps McDonald's w/ $10B suit; 3rd Reconstruction Act; George Floyd Act not ready

Episode Date: May 21, 2021

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Starting point is 00:04:28 Been frozen out. Facing an extinction level event. We don't fight this fight right now. You're not going to have black on you. All right, folks, today in a courtroom, Byron Allen filed a $10 billion lawsuit against McDonald's, alleging they have discriminated against his company, Entertainment Studios. This is what the press release states that he issued today. Byron Allen's Allen Media Group, Division Entertainment Studios,
Starting point is 00:05:04 and Weather Group, LLC, filed a lawsuit on May 20, 2021 against McDonald's Corporation seeking $10 billion in damages for racial discrimination and contracting in violation of federal and state law. According to the lawsuit,
Starting point is 00:05:17 McDonald's intentionally discriminated against Entertainment Studios and Weather Group through a pattern of racial stereotyping and refusals to contract. Entertainment Studios, a media company owned by African-American entrepreneur Byron Allen, owns and operates 12 high-definition TV networks that are carried by over 60 multi-channel video programming distributors, including Comcast, AT&T, U-verse, Charter Spectrum, Dish Network, DirecTV, AT&T Now,
Starting point is 00:05:40 and Verizon Files. These networks feature lifestyle content with general audience appeal and are widely distributed to over 180 million cumulative subscribers in all 50 states. In 2018, Allen acquired Weather Group, which owns and operates the award-winning cable news network, The Weather Channel, and the streaming service Local Now. McDonald's is the world's largest, world's leading global food service retailer with over 39,000 locations that generate over $100 billion in annual revenue. African-Americans represent approximately 40% of McDonald's U.S. sales, with McDonald's taking billions of dollars each year
Starting point is 00:06:27 from African-American consumers. But of its approximately $1.6 billion annual television advertising budget, McDonald's spends less than approximately $5 million each year, listen to me, each year on African-American-owned media. And it has refused to advertise on entertainment studios networks or the Weather Channel since Allen acquired the network in 2018. Per the lawsuit, the McDonald's president and CEO, Chris Kempczynski, makes
Starting point is 00:07:02 approximately $11 million per year, which is more than double what McDonald's spends per year on all of black-owned media combined. The lawsuit alleges that McDonald's refusal to contract is a result of racial stereotyping through McDonald's tiered advertising structure that differentiates on the basis of race. The primary advertising tier for McDonald's is referred to as general market, and it constitutes
Starting point is 00:07:28 the vast majority of McDonald's advertising budget. McDonald's, however, created a separate African American tier with a much smaller budget and less favorable pricing in other terms. McDonald's contracts with a separate ad agency, Burrell Communications, for this African American tier, thereby creating separate and unequal tracks for black-owned media companies to earn advertising revenue. McDonald's has created a discriminatory environment that is separate but not equal.
Starting point is 00:07:56 According to the lawsuit, McDonald's relegated entertainment studios to the less favorable African-American tier, even though the companies own and operate TV networks that have general market appeal and do not specifically target African-American tier, even though the companies own and operate TV networks that have general market appeal and do not specifically target African-American audiences. McDonald's does so because the companies are owned by Allen and African-American.
Starting point is 00:08:12 Through this stereotyping, McDonald's prevented entertainment studios and with Weather Group from accessing McDonald's general market advertising budget and deprive the companies of advertising revenue that otherwise would have been paid if McDonald'srive the companies of advertising revenue that otherwise would have been paid if McDonald's treated the companies the same as similarly situated white-owned companies. Now, Byron sent this out. This is the quote that he used. This is about economic inclusion
Starting point is 00:08:35 of African-American-owned businesses in the U.S. economy. Says Byron Allen, founder, chairman, and CEO of Allen Media Group, McDonald's takes billions from African-American consumers and gives almost nothing back. The biggest trade deficit in America is the trade deficit between white corporate America and black America. And McDonald's is guilty of perpetuating this disparity. The economic exclusion must stop immediately. Now, folks, today, today, this morning, McDonald's released a made a release, the press released stating what they were going to be spending or increasing their spend with black owned media. I'm going to pull it up in just one second. And what they did was in this particular statement, they announced that they are going to be.
Starting point is 00:09:27 Give me one second. I'm going to pull this up right here. Just give me one second here. I want to show you guys this. This is going to be a what I'm showing you is actually from is actually from AdAge. So AdAge posted this particular story. It posted this particular story today. And this is what it says. McDonald's will more than double ad spend with diverse-owned companies. Then it says in the article, McDonald's is promising to more than double its U.S. investment in diverse-owned media companies, production shops, and content creators by 2024. Over the next four years, it will increase its U.S. advertising spending with platforms owned by Black, Hispanic, Asian American, female, and LGBTQ people from 4% to 10%. Then, actually, the article goes on to say that they actually were going to be spending,
Starting point is 00:10:23 there's a press release that was sent out, they're going to be spending their resources, they're going to be going from, and let me just find that because I want to show you what McDonald's sent out. What they sent out was that they were going to be also increasing their black spin from two to five percent. Now, why does all of this matter? increasing their black spin from 2% to 5%. Now, why does all of this matter? Now, y'all know, you've been watching this show, you've been seeing us talk about these particular issues. Yeah, this is the press release that McDonald's sent out today.
Starting point is 00:10:58 In this press release, you see where it says they will increase their spending from 2% to 5% of national advertising spend over the next three years. Okay. Now, allow me to, first of all, let me read this quote here. We've been making serious commitments that are guided by our values, and with this latest move, we're taking action to advance diverse-owned companies across the marketing supply chain, said Morgan Flatley, Chief Marketing and Digital Customer Experience Officer at McDonald's USA. We're using our resources to support these platforms and businesses, which keep the brand at the center of culture while creating deeper relationships with our diverse customers, crew, and employees. Now, what Byron Allen also published was an open letter
Starting point is 00:11:44 that, if y'all have the open letter, go ahead and pull that up, please. That was an open letter that he also published that was signed by several of us. I am one of the signatories on that particular letter. And what that letter stated, it was speaking to the issue of lack of a spin with African-Americans and why it is important now Let me go ahead and pull this up so I can like literally folks. This just came down That the lawsuit just came down and so so forgive me for being slightly Out of breath here, but I want to pull this up so I can show you. So the signatories on this letter, Byron Allen, also Todd Brown, Butch Graves with Black Enterprise, Munson Steed with Rolling Out,
Starting point is 00:12:35 and also Junior Bridgman, of course, who is a Coca-Cola bottler who also owns Ebony Media. He bought Ebony Media. Now, in this particular letter that we all agreed to sign, this is what Byron Allen states in here. Again, he says that McDonald's has spent approximately $17 billion in advertising promotion and very little went to black-owned media, not to be confused with black-targeted media. Simultaneously, as this is occurring, he wrote a letter to the CEO. He said your your own personal compensation package for 2020 total just under 11 million, more than double the approximate five million
Starting point is 00:13:13 that McDonald's spent with all of black owned media combined last year. This is indefensible. Now, this is what he also says. He says we're not. He said point blank. He said that says in here that McDonald's as a racist and very toxic culture. He said, to be clear, this concerns black-owned media and not minority-owned media.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Because minority includes white women and large corporations like McDonald's often hide behind and tout their minority diversity records while continuing not to do business with black-owned media companies. Now, let me speak to this. Here's the argument that we have been making for quite some time. African-Americans are representing a significant market share of various companies. McDonald's, General Motors, Toyota, Target, and we can go on and on and on. Yet when you start asking how much of that money is coming back to black-owned
Starting point is 00:14:14 businesses, it's not even remotely the same. In fact, what we're seeing is that there's a wide disparity. About $170 billion is being spent every single year on advertising in the United States. Prior to our campaign, black-owned media has been getting 1%. You heard me last week talk about the Fors Marsh Group. They receive a significant number of federal contracts for advertising
Starting point is 00:14:52 How much of that is going to African Americans well according to a 2018 study asked for by Congresswoman Eleanor Holmes Norton The federal government over five years spent five billion dollars black media got 51 million out of the 5 billion. Let me repeat that. Black-owned media got 51 million out of the 5 billion. That's on a federal level. McDonald's announced they're going to go from 2% to 5%. That means that all this period, African-American, black-owned media had only been getting 2%.
Starting point is 00:15:21 According to Byron Allen's lawsuit, African-Americans represent 40% of McDonald's customers. 2%. 40%. Now, I know for a fact that there have been black executives
Starting point is 00:15:37 at McDonald's and black McDonald's franchisees who have been pushing the company to do more. For the last two years, I keynoted the National Black McDonald Operators, Owners and Operators Conference the last two years. I spoke about economic apartheid and economic inclusion
Starting point is 00:15:59 and how these companies must do better. So the lawsuit from Byron Allen should not be a surprise when we start talking about the lack of inclusion. There are some of you who may be watching, and you might be saying, okay, Roland, I don't really understand, like, really, what's the big deal? Folks, this is why we're broke.
Starting point is 00:16:23 Economic apartheid is being practiced in America. If black-owned companies are not getting advertising dollars, are not getting legal dollars, bond dollars, accounting firms, engineering firms, architecture and design firms. I mean, I can go on and on and on. I'm not talking about companies hiring a couple of black consultants and paying them 60, 80 or a hundred thousand dollars. I'm talking about what happens when we're not getting 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 million dollars. So let me just give you another example so you can understand the difference that this makes. So let's say we,
Starting point is 00:17:07 let's say we, let's say we here at Roland Martin Unfiltered, let's say we, all of a sudden, let's say we, all of a sudden, go from where we are now and we, all of a sudden, we, let's just say, go to $25 million a year. Okay? I want you to think about this. Let's say we go from $2 million a year to $25 million a year. Let's say I decide to pay a reporter $100,000. Let's say I decide to pay a reporter $100,000. Let's say I decide to hire 20 reporters at $100,000 each.
Starting point is 00:17:54 That's $2 million. Okay? So let's say I decide to hire five editors to supervise those 20 reporters at $150,000. Then that comes out to $750,000. Okay? Which means I could hire 25 staffers and spend, you throw in benefits,
Starting point is 00:18:20 things along those lines. Let's say I would spend upwards of $4 million. Let's just push it to $5 million. I got $23 million more. I'm left with $18 million. That means we cannot spend money on advertising and marketing. That means we can actually hire more producers. That means we can upgrade our technology. That means we can build capacity. But when that doesn't happen, when we don't get those dollars,
Starting point is 00:18:53 we can't do that. If y'all want to understand why black America is in the condition that it is in right now, it is because in the history of the United States, economic apartheid has been practiced. In the history of the United States, we have been frozen out of every sector of this society.
Starting point is 00:19:18 And folks want to say, hey, but we're all equal. The argument that I make is very simple. If you are a company in America and you are receiving significant dollars from black people, money should be coming back to black people. What do I want to see at McDonald's? I don't want to see 200 black franchisees out of 39,000. I want to see 13% of the franchisees at McDonald's are black.
Starting point is 00:19:58 So let me do the math. You said that McDonald's has 39,000 franchisees. I'm just going to go ahead and do this here. I just think because I'm walking you all through this here for a very precise reason. Because I think a lot of times we don't properly explain this. And I think the customer needs to be fully aware. You're the consumer. You need to be fully aware of what I'm talking about here.
Starting point is 00:20:26 So let me see if I can go ahead and do this here. I'm going to try to do it on my iPhone. I just want you all to understand, because I'm walking you through this, because I think you need to be aware of why the battle is going on. Henry, can you see my calculator? You should be able to see it in a second.
Starting point is 00:20:43 Okay, so 39,000. There are 39,000 McDonald's franchisees. Let's say 13% of the population is African American times.13. That means that if you did the math and you said African Americans represent 13% of the population. Of McDonald's 39,000 franchisees, we should have 5,070 franchisees. Write down it's less than 300. So let me go further. Go back.
Starting point is 00:21:19 39,000 franchisees. According to Byron Allen's lawsuit, African Americans represent 40% of McDonald's customers. So we do 39,000 times 40%. That means, that means that if you took the number of customers, African American customers at McDonald's, and said that should be then represented by franchisees, customers, African-American customers at McDonald's, and said that should be then represented by franchisees, we should have 15,600 franchisees. 15,000 out of 39,000.
Starting point is 00:22:05 So to go from 2% to 5%, I'm not satisfied. I appreciate the statement McDonald's put out. I appreciate the comments that are in the press release. But I'm sorry. I am unwilling to accept an increase from 2% to 5% over the next four years. Like I said about General Motors, McDonald's, do 5% now. Why are we waiting? We know the black companies that exist.
Starting point is 00:22:39 We know who they are. We know where they work. Folks, this right here, this is a list of the people who signed the letter. This is a list, and I read it. I'm trying to get people. See, we have been told, and I guarantee you, Greg Carr will show you all the books behind him, how long
Starting point is 00:23:05 have we been told? Wait. Wait. Be patient. Byron Allen's company, black-owned. Earl Butch Graves Jr., black enterprise, black-owned. New Vision Media, black-owned.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Munson Steeds, CEO of Rolling Out, black-owned. Todd Brown's Launch Urban Edge Networks, HBCU League Pass, black-owned. Munson Steeds, CEO of Rolling Out, black-owned. Todd Brown's Launch Urban Edge Networks, HBCU League Pass, black-owned. Ebony Media, Junior Bridgman, black-owned. Blavity, black-owned. I could go down the line of black-owned media companies that exist right now. So the question is, why are these companies saying
Starting point is 00:23:42 we've got to wait till 2025 to reach 5%? People say, be patient. We have been since 1619. We've been patient since 1865. We've been patient since 1865. We've been patient since 1877. We've been patient since 1954. We've been patient since 1960. Patient since 1968.
Starting point is 00:24:20 African Americans will never, ever... I need everybody listening to me because I need you to understand what I am saying. We are no longer interested in talking about economic freedom. We are interested in practicing it. We're not interested in press releases. We are interested in direct deposits. We are not interested in talking about how do we get to that gold at the end of a rainbow.
Starting point is 00:25:09 We're talking about depositing it. This generation is simply trying to fix this for the next generation. We're in the third reconstruction. We're gonna talk about that in a second. We're in the third reconstruction. The first one failed because it didn't address the money. The second one was good, but it didn't address the money. We are no longer interested in just talking
Starting point is 00:25:44 about voting rights and mass incarceration and criminal justice reform and health equities and education because folks this is america and if you want to understand america you must deal with the money. And if we, as black consumers, are spending it, we, as black owners, should be receiving it. My panel, Rishi Colbert, Black Women Views, Dr. Greg Carr, Chairman, Department of Afro-American Studies at Howard University. Also, Mustafa Santanteaga Ali,
Starting point is 00:26:26 Ph.D., former Senior Advisor for Environmental Justice at the EPA. Reese, I want to start with you. We folk love talking about politically, oh, black women, black women, oh, yeah, black women. We can get black women to turn out.
Starting point is 00:26:45 But do you fund black women? Do you invest in black women, oh yeah, black women. We can get black women to turn out. But do you fund black women? Do you invest in black women? Are you hiring black women to be event planners? Are you hiring black women to be political consultants? Are you hiring black women to be pollsters? Are you hiring black women to produce the radio commercials? Are you hiring black women to produce television commercials? Are you hiring black women to produce television commercials? Are you hiring black women
Starting point is 00:27:05 to actually place the media? See, folk love our labor. They love us being political sharecroppers. They love for us
Starting point is 00:27:22 being retail sharecroppers. But when we start talking about us selling the crops ourselves, then we're told to be patient. Not anymore. I completely agree with you, Roland. It's time to cut the check.
Starting point is 00:27:43 I'm tired of the, thank you, black woman, for saving us. Thank you, black people, for saving us. And what do we get? We need to return on our investment. Point blank, period. And it's long overdue. And I agree with you, Roland.
Starting point is 00:27:55 We're not talking about cutting emissions, carbon emissions, in the entire global world. We're talking about giving us some damn money. Y'all got the checks right now. They got cash on hands. So you can go on ahead and cut the check and put that direct deposit in these bank accounts. Anything else is nothing but rhetoric.
Starting point is 00:28:11 And like I always say, I don't care about the rhetoric. I want to see the receipts. And it's time to start bringing some receipts to all of these pledges and all of these announcements that they're making. And as Byron Allen in the letter that you signed says, it's not just minority-owned, it's Black-owned. I'm trying to figure out how the hell they have this wide bucket
Starting point is 00:28:29 that pretty much captures at least 50% of the country in terms of what they describe as diversity and say that that whole diverse bucket is going to get 10% within the next five years. The math ain't math in McDonald's. We spending the money. I see McDonald's at the Essence Festival. I see McDonald's at the Essence Festival. I see McDonald's at all kind of black shit.
Starting point is 00:28:49 But when it comes to paying black people, the actual owners, not just black targeted companies that are still white-owned, they got nothing but excuses. So I'm with you 100% on this one, Roland. It's time to cut the check. Not five years from now, but today.
Starting point is 00:29:04 Mustafa, let me be clear. and I know many of them. There are African-Americans. First of all, McDonald's, our frat brother, was the first black CEO of McDonald's, Don Thompson. 18 months, and the board decided to get rid of him because they felt that he wasn't turning the company around fast enough. And then they hired a white CEO who executed Don's plan, and so the company rebounded. That same CEO got ran off because he was having sex with employees. But the thing here, that means the white CEO replacement, not Don Thompson. So here's what I do know. I know black people who have been executives working inside who have been sounding the alarm.
Starting point is 00:29:49 I know black franchisees have been sounding the alarm. I know that there are black people who are at Target, who are at GM, Ford, Chrysler, Mercedes, BMW. I know they are in every major corporation fighting the good fight, trying to get these corporations to do right. They know the data. They know black people and what we're spending. They understand our spending capacity. But the corporations are playing games
Starting point is 00:30:18 when it comes to supporting. And the thing is this here. We know we exist. So the reason we have small businesses can't build capacity, can't get dollars, can't build capacity. in companies giving aid to black America, giving charity to black America, being philanthropic to black America. What we're saying is, no, this is investment. This is ROI.
Starting point is 00:30:58 This is a return on investment. We are investing in you with our dollars. We expect you to support our businesses. Yeah, you know, this is about power. That's what it's really about, because they know if we build economic power, then many of the things that have been going on inside of our communities, because we didn't have the resources to be able to properly fight back, that that paradigm then changes. This is an old narrative that we are dealing with. But we're dealing... We now have 21st century solutions
Starting point is 00:31:29 to this old narrative. This is, as you led off with, about Black farmers not being paid the same as white farmers for bringing in the exact same crops. This is about Black folks paying money to sit in theaters and then being told you have to sit in the balcony or in the back. This is about Black folks paying money to sit in theaters and then being told you have to sit in the balcony or in the back. This is about black folks paying the same amount of money to get on a bus
Starting point is 00:31:50 and then being told to sit in the back of the bus or in the back of the train. So this is about also disinvestment and the extraction of wealth outside of our communities. So they will take our dollars, but then they also disinvest in our entities, in the structures that are necessary for us to be able to, one, fully compete, and two, for us to be able to also make sure that the proper narratives are being shared. and how folks would raise it, but then people would just kind of fluff it off and say, well, you know, we're making sure that white women and other minorities are being taken care of in this federal contracting and subcontracting space. You know, whether it's McDonald's or GM or whoever it is,
Starting point is 00:32:38 if you want our dollars, then you have to also be willing to reinvest back into our communities at a fair share. And until that happens, there cannot be economic justice. And we should actually be utilizing our dollars better and saying that if these companies, these corporations are not willing to do the right thing, then you will no longer receive our dollars because there are other choices that we can move forward on. Now, let me let me let me I want I. I want Greg to really focus on this one. Because I see
Starting point is 00:33:07 people in the chat going, boycott! See, that means you haven't studied your history. It was Reverend Leon Sullivan who created the apparatus that led to Operation Breadbasket. It was Operation Breadbasket that he presented to Dr.
Starting point is 00:33:24 King. Dr. King. Dr. King adopted that as the national program for SCLC. And then he picked Reverend Jesse Jackson Sr. to run it. I told you all, if you read Martin Depp's book, you'll understand. Boycott was not first on the agenda. It was last. The mistake that people make, Greg, is they yell, boycott! But you have not informed anybody. You haven't taught anybody.
Starting point is 00:33:57 You haven't made a demand. You haven't made an ask. You haven't made an ask. You haven't negotiated a deal. If you understand Operation Breadbasket, you will understand that it was after the people were informed, the people were educated, it was after they collected the data to understand what they were asking for. It was after they then said, we want to see black executives, black hires. We want to see money invested in black banks. We want to see black businesses getting contracts.
Starting point is 00:34:35 It was when the companies refused after a period of time. Then they went to the pulpits and said, we will now take direct action. What I need everybody listening to understand is you've got to learn to stop being emotional by yelling boycott when you ain't playing nothing. When you've informed nobody. When you haven't taught anybody. So people just
Starting point is 00:34:59 running around going, boycott, boycott, boycott. No. See, the announcement today, and again, I appreciate the announcement from McDonald's, that they're going to go from 2% to 5% on black-owned media by 2025. Roland is saying, thank you. But we're not waiting for 2025. Do five now.
Starting point is 00:35:22 And in fact, make your goal 13. The goal for me is not five. The goal for me is 13. If we're spending, if we represent, if Byron Allen's number is right, that black consumers represent 40% of your market, well, the least you can do is spend the percentage that African-Americans represent in the population. So I need black people to pump their brakes on social media when they start hollering certain things, unless you put in the work to properly organize and mobilize your people. Greg. Greg, we can't hold up. I think you're on mute. OK, now we got you. Yeah, I was because I was typing on the computer over there. I was trying to pull up the case.
Starting point is 00:36:21 I haven't read the case yet. If if if if he's following the same strategy he followed in the Comcast suit. And this is a federal case. He's using that Civil Rights Act again. I was paying very careful attention as you narrated through there when he said separate but equal. Referring by the way, interestingly enough, to Tom Burrell, who those of you who know the history of black advertising, and you've led us through this many times, Roland, is the brother who all but invented the whole notion of targeted advertising when he did it for McDonald's. Remember that Calvin's Got a Job commercial.
Starting point is 00:36:45 That was Tom Burrell, who apparently is getting one of these crumbs that McDonald's is- Well, no, no, no. Tom Burrell, no. Burrell, he sold Burrell, so he no longer controls Burrell. Oh, he doesn't-
Starting point is 00:36:55 So what is that Burrell then that they're talking about? No, no, no. That's the same Burrell. He sold- His partners, McGee, Ossie, Linden, others, he sold the former. He retired. He sold Burrell to them. That's right. That's right. Thank you. Because, you know, like
Starting point is 00:37:10 you, Tom Burrell has shown some interest in investing in HBCUs. He created a Burrell Fellowship at Howard. In fact, this is after his book, Brainwashed, came out, where he's showing how this thing manipulates, how these companies manipulate our buying trends, which actually speaks to the heart of what you're raising, Roland.
Starting point is 00:37:26 You know, individuals don't beat institutions. And you can't have a boycott if there's no we. And in this country, there is no we in terms of Black people. Black people are a demographic. You know, there's micro-targeting, there's the advertising, try to get us, you know, you read Manny Marable's book, How Capitalism Gonna Develop Black America, even the development of things like flavored sodas was targeted with black folk.
Starting point is 00:37:49 You change the color of the sugar water, make it red, call it cherry, make it purple, call it grape, and then micro-target. This is what Pepsi did, and like I said, there's a bookshelf of stuff that's been written about this. But what you're talking about, Roland, there are a lot of moving parts, brother. And it's difficult. Near the end of his life, as Dr. King said, we need to
Starting point is 00:38:09 redistribute the pain in terms of the selected buying movement. That came at the tail end of a lot of work. And of course, Reverend Jackson continued that, expanded it, the whole Wall Street project, the whole idea, whether it be beer distributorships or Wall Street, whatever you want to say. I mean, the idea of targeting. But here's where I think, for me, it's just very fascinating, because, again, this is breaking news. I was trying to look up the case. I haven't been able to locate it on the docket, but I'm going to read it. And realizing that Byron Allen has said over the next two years he wants to invest up to $10 billion and become the largest television network in the country. He bought, what was it, five or six television stations last month for about $380 million. But I'm saying all that to say that we have someone in Byron Allen, and I'm the first
Starting point is 00:38:56 one to say, look, my objective is black liberation. So, you know, I was pretty hard on Byron Allen and will continue to be. But at the same time, recognizing that you need a Byron Allen and will continue to be, but at the same time, recognizing that you need a Byron Allen to kick in a door because we don't have an individual with enough institutional clout and the willingness to exercise it to kick that door in, unless you get somebody like a Byron Allen or Oprah Winfrey or something like that. But I'm sitting here to say this. My questions
Starting point is 00:39:26 have a lot of questions. One would be if he kicks in that door because you all are signatories to that letter. And I read some of, you know, I read I was able to find the letter. I was reading the letter. I'm saying McDonald's spends a billion six a year on advertising
Starting point is 00:39:42 and only like five million dollars of that goes to black-owned people. Okay, yeah. If you can increase that, and certainly if the demographic is right, 40%, then you're talking about a huge windfall. The question becomes what does the black
Starting point is 00:39:58 control companies do with that money? Is it like corporate America where you basically engage in stock buyback and then you sit back and you put your picture on the cover of Oprah magazine or Essence and say,
Starting point is 00:40:08 be like me? Or are you going to ride us to glory? This is my question with Byron Allen. Well, here's the deal. Here's the deal. First of all,
Starting point is 00:40:14 Byron's company is privately owned, so there's no stock buyback. Urban One is publicly traded. I saw a press release today where they were praising the McDonald's announcement
Starting point is 00:40:26 for helping their stock price go up. Okay. But the thing here is, so let me unpack this, so I need people to understand, because again, we're talking about money here. The reason black-owned media is small, the reason black newspapers are small, the reason all these
Starting point is 00:40:47 entities are small, because we've been suffocated out of the dollars. I'll say it again. I got no problem saying it. This is very simple, folks. If this company is able to get our fair share, if we are able, and I need everybody to hear what I'm saying, and I got no problem for anybody coming back to check. If we're able to secure 25 million in this advertising revenue, 30 people will be hired.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Show me, I don't know if you got 30 black journalists at the Washington Post. See, this is the difference. Then we go for not one show, but to 12 shows. See, that's what, so all of a sudden, you're able to build capacity. Fox News makes a billion five in profit,
Starting point is 00:42:00 not revenue, profit. So the reason CNN has cnn.com, they're doing CNN films, they've got CNN Network, CNN International, CNN, all these different divisions because they're getting the advertising revenue. So now imagine black media
Starting point is 00:42:21 now going from crumbs to a whole slice. Now you ain't hungry. Now, see, let me not go into academia. Now we shouldn't be upset when the University of North Carolina plays games with Nicole Hannah Jones for tenure because now we can turn right around and invest that money in HBCUs and say damn them y'all now have the money to hire folks for tenure see now and that's just a music that's a current example what happened, where we are now, I need everybody listening to my voice to understand this.
Starting point is 00:43:06 Where we are now is our entire black infrastructure is predicated on philanthropy. The NAACP is solely existent on corporate donations.
Starting point is 00:43:24 So truth be told, the NAACP does great work. But the reason the NAACP can't really go hard is because when you're funded by corporate America. See, when Patrick Swigert was president of Howard University, he came on my radio show, WVON, and he was talking about the $250 million capital campaign that Howard was going through. And he proudly stated that 65% of the money
Starting point is 00:43:58 for the capital campaign came through corporate donations. I said, Brother Swigert, that does not make me happy. He said, well, why? I said, well, Brother Swigert, if corporate America decides not to give, Howard falls. I said, so it should be 65 individual, 35 corporate. If people start examining our black institutions, if we see when the corporations pay our black businesses, then our black businesses can buy the tables. Then our black businesses can do the fundraisers for the black politicians. Then the black business owners,
Starting point is 00:44:45 when Mustafa is working on environmental justice, we can say, brother, you don't have to sit here and go to that white nonprofit and beg them and kill yourself for $100,000. Here's a million. That, folk, is why we are sitting here. Greg, you talked about the money. And everybody listen to me again.
Starting point is 00:45:07 Let me go ahead and pull a calculator out. This is how much money, this is how much money right here. Matter of fact, I don't even think I can put it all on here. I can't even put a billion on here. So we're just going to use $170 million. Right now, in the advertising industry, $170 billion is spent on advertising. We get 1% of that. That means that what we get, y'all see that's $170 million.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Pretend that's $170 billion. This is what we get right here. Just pretend that's $1.7 billion. So out of $170 billion, black-owned media gets $1.7 billion total.
Starting point is 00:46:04 Y'all, if we go from a $1.7 billion total. Y'all, if we go from 1.7 billion collective to 17 billion collective, that completely changes the game. That now means, oh, CNN, y'all got satellite trucks? So do we. That now means not, well, Roland and Henry and Anthony
Starting point is 00:46:38 is only three of them can go out and broadcast remotely. I can now send out 20 crews to broadcast from different parts around the country. That's how the game has changed, Reesey. And I need our audience to understand every time you spend in that dollar,
Starting point is 00:46:59 you should be saying, what's the return on investment to black people? Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, here's the return on investment to Black people? Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, here's the thing. I understand where Dr. Carr is coming from. However, we still live in a capitalist society. At the end of the day, even if Roland Martin and Byron Allen and Blavity or whoever else
Starting point is 00:47:18 got all the money and just pocketed it and put their faces on a magazine, that's... it is what it is because it's a capitalist society. And so it's not coming out of our pockets necessarily. It's coming out of McDonald's very fat pockets. No, but remember, it is coming out of our pockets because we're the ones putting it in their pockets.
Starting point is 00:47:37 That's true. But I mean, in the sense that at the end of the day, McDonald's is going to spend the money. It's about how you divide the pie. And we always have to go to the well to Black people and over and over again. I mean, actually, Roland, I agree with your point in terms of reliance on corporate donations. But it is kind of tiresome that every time Black people got to come up with their $5 and their $10 and their $15 and we got to scrape and scrounge to fund things. when there's plenty of money out there, it's just not coming
Starting point is 00:48:06 to our institutions and to our companies. Now, I firmly believe that the money going to our institutions will have a positive impact, as you laid out, Roland, that it will have the impact of our stories being told. We have more autonomy. We have more capacity.
Starting point is 00:48:22 And we know, in this country, if it doesn't go viral, you don't get justice. So when this person is shot by the cops, if it doesn't become a hashtag, if it doesn't make it to CNN, that person's not getting justice. So there are real implications to scaling up the capacity for Black businesses. point is, aside from all of that, we still gotta make demands of these institutions, of these corporations to give us a bigger slice of the pie. And we shouldn't always just be, okay,
Starting point is 00:48:53 at the same time, riding the black institutions for what they're gonna do for us. They ain't got the money yet. Yes, we need to hold them accountable, but we don't even hold the same amount of accountability for the white. Not you, Dr. Carr, but we don't even hold the same amount of accountability for the white. Not you, Dr. Carr, but I'm saying as a community, we don't hold the white
Starting point is 00:49:09 companies that are receiving the other $170 billion accountable for what they're doing for our community. So that's all my point is, that we got to get the money. They got the money. Let's get it. And then let's then hold our institutions accountable and say, all right, now you got this amount of purchasing power
Starting point is 00:49:27 What are you gonna do for us? Look Angela Brock? I appreciate Angela sending me a her now donation Jarius Finney $50 donation Do you have a Jarius had actually two $50 donations? I've had other people I deposited 30 checks last night y'all If we are getting our fair share two $50 donations. I've had other people. I deposited 30 checks last night. Y'all, if we are getting our fair share, I ain't got to ask y'all to send money via Cash App. PayPal, Venmo,
Starting point is 00:49:56 Zelle, Money Order, Check. That's how they... So, I need to see... I need everybody listening because I need y'all to say, we connect this thing. If they are properly advertising with us, Angela gets to keep her hundred and invest it how she wants to. Now, granted, she's investing in the show and I greatly appreciate it. What I'm trying to get y'all to understand is Angela now can say, well, I don't have to give Roland 100.
Starting point is 00:50:26 I can now give it to my college or a scholarship fund or my community group. Same with Jerry's. See, that's the thing, Mustafa. When we step back and look at how we are systematically frozen out. I keep telling everybody who's listening, public workers, black public workers, collectively, are the richest group of black people in America. Now, somebody watching going,
Starting point is 00:50:58 Roland, I'm a schoolteacher. Boo. Your schoolteacher money funds the teacher's pension fund. Mm-hmm. Who do you think are the biggest investors on Wall Street? Pension funds. Who do you think venture capitalists go to to launch their firms? Pension funds. When you hear private
Starting point is 00:51:30 equity, pension funds. So all these black people are workers. You've got people on the state level managing pension funds. Most don't look like any of us. Then they're hiring companies, investment firms, to invest the money. Don't look like us. Companies got 401K programs. They're not using Ariel. They're not using Eddie Brown in Baltimore. Black-owned mutual funds.
Starting point is 00:52:05 So here they are. I need y'all to hear me. They are taking the collective wealth of pension funds to invest in Wall Street and Silicon Valley to make white people rich. It's connecting the dots. Mustafa, it comes down to the money. It's about economic power. You know, if we get people to understand that, then, and begin to unpack where those opportunities lie,
Starting point is 00:52:46 then that's when we can make real change happen inside of our organizations and inside of our communities. The resources build the infrastructure along with the ingenuity and innovation of the folks who lead those organizations. And when you understand that dynamic, then you understand why you have to put your strategies together and push these
Starting point is 00:53:06 corporate entities that are not doing us a favor. That's the thing that we got to get people to understand. They're not doing us a favor. They have a responsibility to move these dollars back into the communities that are supporting them and help to build their infrastructure. Right. So it's time for us to be able to build our own infrastructure. And that's why, Greg, Harvard has a $40 billion endowment. That's
Starting point is 00:53:32 why Columbia and Cornell and Texas A&M. Because when you've been sitting on the money and when folks pass on and they get to the university or they drop these millions upon millions. And so, sure, folks are excited that Mackenzie Scott, the ex-wife of Jeff Bezos, has been
Starting point is 00:53:52 sending, you know, she's just increased the endowments of all these black universities. But I need our people to understand when we're frozen out of all of the economic sectors and all we've all we're getting are crumbs, that's why it makes it harder for us to fund our institutions because we ain't getting the dollars. That's what happens when you got black kids who now have significant college debt because the mama and daddy couldn't get the high-paying jobs
Starting point is 00:54:21 which allowed them to save to be able to pay for their college. All of these things are interrelated. And just so I need everybody to understand how you also create black wealth, my wife and I don't have any kids, which means that if I create a multimillion-dollar business and I decided to leave it to my 13 nieces and nephews, Roland's work with my wife
Starting point is 00:54:50 now has created 13 black millionaires. That's what they've been doing. And so to everybody who's like, I don't know why y'all making this demand and lawsuit, because this ain't about an individual. This lawsuit is not about Byron Allen. This fight, this fight is not about, because trust me, I was
Starting point is 00:55:09 on the phone with Byron today before I came on the show. Byron says he is prepared to file three lawsuits a week against major companies in America because he has the money to spend it. Right. And what I'm doing
Starting point is 00:55:26 is working with other black media to say, to Greg's point, be in position when you receive the money to deliver on the goods in order, because they're going to try to play games with the numbers.
Starting point is 00:55:41 This is all we're saying. But this fight we're in right now, y'all, this, this is what the first and the second reconstruction was about. Don't get just caught up in somebody saying pass the George Floyd justice act. No, no, no, no. You better confront the money.
Starting point is 00:55:58 Greg, final comment before I go to a break. I'll say real quick, brother. There's no we. That's very painful for me to say. There's no naturally developed we. Byron Allen could say that, and I hope he follows through on it, but the simple fact of the our solidarity was stronger the farther back you go to the lash, because we were held together through apartheid into a need for collective communal work. So when you see 1921 sitting there listening to Mother Fletcher yesterday testify in Congress about Tulsa at 107 years old, you know, the Greenwood district of Tulsa was what it was because Jim Crow held that community together. Right. They torched it. They then rebuilt it bigger.
Starting point is 00:56:50 People don't understand. In the 1940s, so-called Black Wall Street was bigger then than it was in the 20s. They rebuilt. But what happens is when you remove the hedge of segregation. Right. See, capitalism is all inclusive. None of us are frozen out of capitalism. Harvard has the endowment because the John Harvard had plantations in the Caribbean and
Starting point is 00:57:09 other places. It was based on labor theft, our labor theft. Once you have accelerated and gained that type of advantage, you never lose it. Right. The inequality just continues to expand. And so I guess what I'm saying is that it's more than us just thinking that there's a we. We can't stipulate that we. We have to develop
Starting point is 00:57:29 that we. Right. And so otherwise what capitalism does is, see, what you can create is a class of black million and billionaires who will then move in their own class interest against anybody. This is why public policy is so important. It's not a moving car. I know we've got to go on,
Starting point is 00:57:46 so this is very important. We won't have time to talk about it today. Maybe you can pull together a conversation about this. This is why we have to think about this in terms of all these moving parts. I'll end with this. Our HBCUs are increasingly
Starting point is 00:58:01 reverting to the mentality that I would closely associate with Booker Washington at the turn of the century, which is injecting these HBCU curricula with basically employment agency curricula as these same companies move toward diversity, equity, which they're being forced to do because of the people in the street
Starting point is 00:58:22 who do not have that wealth. But the concession is, we'll pull a few more of you blacks in, make you a little bit richer. And as a result, the idea of developing a common mentality is checkmated in a capitalist society where we have taken individual progress as a proxy for collective progress. Kwame Nkrumah said it. Seeing black millionaires is not evidence of progress. That's evidence of what capitalism does to maintain and extend its interests. And so I guess what I'm saying is we really have to think very seriously about this. And so I'm glad to see Barron Allen in court.
Starting point is 00:59:01 He needs to file all those lawsuits, and he never needs to leave that table with you and the brothers and sisters who, if they had the money, would turn around and hire everybody because I don't see any evidence yet that these black millionaires and billionaires who have some institutional control turn around and invest that wealth in transformational projects for the collective.
Starting point is 00:59:20 And that's where, and again, this is the last point before I go to the breakdown. I need people to understand this. There's a reason why when we have these where's our money segments and y'all hear me talk about black advertising, you hear me mention law firms, engineering firms, architectural design firms, event planning, limousine companies, catering companies. There's a reason why I've given the challenge to black board members. Don't sit your ass on these boards and pick up your stock options and your check and you not sit at the table saying, no, no, no, I need to see the black folks up and down.
Starting point is 01:00:06 See, if all of a sudden, see, if this was all about, like I got some fool talking about, oh, you're trying to enrich yourself. No, no, no, no, no. See, my grandmother had a catering business. My brother now runs the catering business. So I want to see black caterers get their money.
Starting point is 01:00:23 I want to see black folks run audiovisual get their money. I want to see black folks who are handling the car transportation, get their money. See, that's where the we comes in. And so do understand, when I'm having these conversations with Byron Allen, we are having broad, deep conversations. See, y'all got to look at the list who signed the letter. Now, the names on this letter are different than the first letter. Y'all can go got to look at the list, who signed the letter. Now, the names on this letter are different than the first letter. Y'all can go back and look at the first letter, but the names on this one are different.
Starting point is 01:00:52 First of all, the first letter we signed had eight names. This one only got five. Y'all look it up. So, not everybody has been trying to roll. Some folks jumped off. Why am I saying that? Because this fight can't be won with scared Negroes.
Starting point is 01:01:10 That's right. I could very easily be quiet and get a small check. I can't do that. Because if you tell me I should be happy with 2% when I know we should be getting 10%? Mm-mm. No, I'm not happy with that. Folks, this is about we understanding
Starting point is 01:01:44 how the dots are connected. And if we, because remember, we are talking black-owned advertising. When you start talking about black supplier development, it's a whole different conversation. I'm saying we should be getting 10% of McDonald's ad spending. We should also be getting billions in black-owned supplier development. And I'm talking about everything they need. Cups, janitorial, you name it, going down the list.
Starting point is 01:02:21 But I need our people to stop being scared. I need our people to understand scared money don't make money. And the only reason we're even sitting right here now, because we have some black folks who have the courage to stand up to systems in this country.
Starting point is 01:02:39 When we fought CNN, I called Bernard Shaw. And I said, Bernard said, Roland, every generation has its turn. Now it's your turn. We had our turn. Now it's yours. I'm 52. A young brother or sister right now in high school or college should not be fighting the 1% battle
Starting point is 01:03:07 30 years from now. So this fight, y'all, to all you fools who are saying, oh, it's all about you. No, actually, it's not. Byron's 60. It's not even about him. It's not about Todd or Junior or Butch. No, it's actually, it's actually for black-owned media 50 years from now. Because if we don't do this fight right now,
Starting point is 01:03:35 50 years from now, they're going to be having a 1%, 2% conversation. And you're going to have Negroes fighting over crumbs, happy to get 1% and 2%. As Denzel said in Malcolm X, I'm not satisfied. When we come back, we'll talk the third reconstruction on Roller Mark Unfiltered. Are you trying to say that as of January 20th, that President Trump will be president? That depends on what happens on Wednesday. President Trump won this election.
Starting point is 01:04:16 Do you think the election was stolen? Absolutely. At this point, we do not know who has prevailed in the election. This fraud was systemic, and I dare say it was effective. This is a contested election. President Trump won by a landslide. Pull them this way! The outcome of our presidential election
Starting point is 01:04:37 was seized from the hands of voters. We have to make sure that they look into what has been the theft of this presidential election. Joe Biden lost and President Trump won. Whatever happens to President Trump, he is still the elected president. I would love to see this election overturned. No one believes that this guy got 80 million votes. It doesn't feel right. It doesn't look right. No ragtag group of liberal activists will be allowed to steal this election.
Starting point is 01:05:10 The president wasn't defeated by huge numbers. In fact, he may not have been defeated at all. Over the next 10 days, we get to see the ballots that are fraudulent, and if we're wrong, we will be made fools of. Hi, my name is Latoya Luckett. Yo, it's your man Deon Cole from Black-ish, and you're watching... Roland Martin, unfiltered. Stay woke.
Starting point is 01:05:39 Folks, today on Capitol Hill, Reverend Dr. William J. Barber joined members of Congress to call for a reconstruction resolution to confront what's happening with the poor in this country. This is what they had to say. We know that if we're going to get the omnibus legislation necessary for a third reconstruction, fully addressing poverty and low wealth from the bottom up. We must address several interlocking injustices simultaneously. We can't separate them anymore. Systemic racism as it relates to all races,
Starting point is 01:06:18 black people, brown people, indigenous people, Asian people, and the collateral damage done to white people because of systemic racism. Systemic poverty, ecological devastation, denial of healthcare, the war economy and militarization of our community, and the false moral narrative of religious nationalism. We know that the cost of not addressing inequality is too high. This is the question we ask the media to ask, because we already know what the criticism will be. Well, how much does it cost?
Starting point is 01:06:44 But Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel Peace Prize economist, said for us, this is the real question. What is the cost of inequality? What is the cost of leaving it as it is? This is a moral issue rooted in the commitments of our Constitution that the first thing we add to is to establish justice, promote the general welfare, and to ensure equal protection under the law. This is a moral agenda, but a moral agenda from my faith tradition, this is Pentecost week for me as a Christian, and in Pentecost, morality is not just folk coming together and singing we love each other, it is coming together by the Spirit, building a community where there is no
Starting point is 01:07:25 lack. So a moral agenda is also a sound economic agenda. We must preach good news to the poor. Greg, in that first segment, you talked about public policy. That's what Barbara is talking about. We talked about the third reconstruction, dealing with public policy and how to impact what's happening with the poor. You're absolutely right, Roland. I mean, and listening to Representative Lee and Representative Jayapal today as they talked about this reconstruction resolution, mind you, not legislation, a resolution, just trying to get into the conversation, it really ties directly to the large conversation we were having just before the break. You know, you don't transform a society in a modern world system built on capitalism. You don't transform it through capitalism.
Starting point is 01:08:19 You have to organize people. And so what I'm saying is that when we heard Reverend Barber and then Representative Jai Paul and Representative Lee today, you know, when you talk about 140 million poor people or people who are just a step from disaster, as Representative Lee said today, and you emphasize the fact they make up 30%, that we make up 30% of the electorate, then what you're saying is that public
Starting point is 01:08:46 policy is the way that those who are not the winners in a winner-take-all, zero-sum game called global capitalism. Believe me, capitalism doesn't stop at the U.S. border. What's going on in Palestine right now with Israel, what's going on in Africa and the Caribbean and Latin America has a direct connection to why you pay so little for draws in Walmart. But, I mean, without getting into that, public policy in this country means Barber and all are saying, we must now redistribute resources. Because if you don't redistribute resources,
Starting point is 01:09:19 if you don't eradicate poverty from the bottom up, as he said and as Representative Lee said today, here's what's going to happen, because capitalism is really unsustainable. Those people who don't have a place to eat and sleep, those people who don't have health care, those people who don't have a capacity to earn a living wage, you know what those people are going to say? They're going to say, well, I guess I'm a loser. I guess I'll sit down here and die. No. As the dude told me when I was getting my doctorate at Temple, and I saw the brother here, he said, man, they're getting around a layoff
Starting point is 01:09:47 over here. He worked on the crew at Temple. I said, what you gonna do, man? He said, I'm gonna get this last check and buy a pistol and a ski mask. See, here's what we don't understand about capitalism. It is unsustainable. You know how you stop war? You create a society where people don't feel like they have
Starting point is 01:10:04 to go out and rob somebody, damn it, because you ain't got enough police. We're going to talk about the killers a little bit later. But what we're seeing now is the result of stratospheric inequality. And that's what Reverend Barber, Reverend Theo Harris, the Poor People's Campaign, and the tradition of Martin King and everybody else is trying to stop before it spins out of control. And we all out here trying to find a gun. And that's when you're going to find out the Second Amendment ain't worth the papers written on because you ain't going to be able to get a gun.
Starting point is 01:10:29 See, Ray, see, this is one of the reasons why all these companies were complaining. They were complaining about, you know, these unemployment benefits. And I got a tweet earlier, and I wish I can remember who sent it to me. And it was one guy who he had to raise his wages
Starting point is 01:10:47 to $15 an hour, and then he started marketing his available jobs. Guess what happened? They all got filled. Then guess what happened? He didn't see a drop off in revenue. See, what you're seeing with the ban of $15 an hour,
Starting point is 01:11:04 you're seeing people say, y'all want somebody to work for $7 an hour. You're not providing any child care. I don't have transportation. So, hell yeah. If I got to go through all of that, I might as well just take unemployment if literally I can't afford the child care. So, all these pro-lifers, the party of family values, don't like Head Start, don't like prenatal care. So all these pro-lifers, the party of family values, don't like Head Start, don't like prenatal care.
Starting point is 01:11:30 All of a sudden, y'all want to holler why these lazy folks can't work. A lot of them want to work, but there are other impediments to keeping them from working. Absolutely. I mean, and here's the thing that's so crazy about this is there are public policy proposals.
Starting point is 01:11:48 There are politicians that are actually trying to get to the root of this problem. through this propaganda campaign, this disinformation and misinformation campaign that keeps people distracted, that keeps people dumb, that keeps people ignorant, that actually empowers their ignorance through all of these false, through all this false information to turn them against the very people that are actually trying to propose the solutions that will uplift their lot. That is the craziest part about the society that we're living in. So I understand Dr. Carr's position about capitalism and being unsustainable. But I think one of the really pressing issues that doesn't get enough attention is how unsustainable our society is if we continue to live in a society where we don't agree on a basic set of facts, where we don't live in a fact-based society. We don't live in a science-based society when it comes to this pandemic and the vaccine, for instance. We don't live in a fact-based society even when it
Starting point is 01:12:48 comes to our politics. And I've seen this. I'm not going to invoke any names because we don't have enough time for all that. But I will say I've seen time and time again where people are against the, let's just say the CBC for example. The CBC gets more shit than Mitch McConnell
Starting point is 01:13:04 and Kevin McCarthy and any of these other, even Donald Trump did at the time. And they're the ones who have put forth the HR40 commission. They're the ones who have been the conscience of the Congress. They're the ones who have for decades tried to push forth poverty reducing measures, health, universal healthcare. John Conyers was the one who introduced it over and over again before Bernie Sanders became popular for, for, for champ or not championing it, but for talking about it. Let me say that. And so we have a disconnect in between where we have people that are so blinded and so captivated by disinformation that they're actually making it that much easier to keep them down
Starting point is 01:13:40 because they're not supporting the people. And it's not a magic wand, but it does start with actually supporting the politicians at every single level that are actually proposing these solutions. Mustafa. Well, you know, I know policy and, you know, it's interesting when we talk about poverty in our country, you know, it is, it is debilitating to the mind, to the body, and to the spirit. And when you look at the policies that are connected to each of those elements, then you understand the dynamics that are happening in America. You know, we understand the lack of investment that is happening around education and accessibility and how we are unwilling to pay folks who are actually creating the next set of leaders for our country. So that says something about our country and where we place value on individuals. When we talk about the body, there's no reason for folks to be dying prematurely from air pollution
Starting point is 01:14:37 or when they turn on the tap that they can't have clean water coming out or being exposed to lead. We know that in our country right now that we got a wealth gap that's going on. So this resolution begins to get people focused in the right direction if they're willing to actually do the hard work. When you got $171,000 going to white families and $17,000 going to black families and brown families, then you know you got a problem that you have to be able to address if you're serious about the dynamics that are going on in this country. When you got 24 million people who are dealing with food
Starting point is 01:15:08 insecurity and living in food deserts and 25 million people who are in physician deserts and medically underserved areas and they can't actually even get to a doctor, even in a COVID-19 pandemic, then you know you got some problems that are going on. When you got 500,000 people who every night in this country are going to bed homeless or housing insecure, that goes back to the poverty part of what Dr. Barber was talking about. When you got 2.2 million folks who are in prisons and jails and internment centers, and that you continue to feed that pipeline, when if you made the investments in these other areas that we're talking about, you could completely feed that pipeline when if you made the investments in these other areas that we're talking about,
Starting point is 01:15:46 you could completely change that dynamic and you could build wealth back in black and brown and indigenous communities because the men and some of the women are not going to jail, but they're actually being utilized with that God-given ingenuity and innovation that they have. You can change the dynamic.
Starting point is 01:16:00 And for those brothers and sisters who are focused on gun violence and the 36,000 people who are dying, it is tied to poverty. People are making choices. People are losing hope because folks won't invest in them. So when we have this resolution talking about this third set of opportunities, and when Biden, who I support, everybody knows that, and I love Kamala, then we should be having not just a Build Back Better campaign, but a campaign that is specifically focused on those individuals who have been unseen and unheard. And I believe that the administration is actually trying to do that. But sometimes we got to call it out. Who are the folks who are in pain right now? Who are the folks
Starting point is 01:16:42 who have been disinvested in? And are we serious about changing this system? Our brother W.E.B. DuBois shared with us that the system was not designed for us. That's right. But I think we can change that dynamic here. In the 21st century, we can make some decisions about if we really truly want to embrace everyone in our country, do we actually want to truly lift everybody up? Then that means we have to have intentionality. And we have to have intentionality in making sure that policy, which has been infused with racism and discrimination and biases, that that is
Starting point is 01:17:14 extracted and that is no longer allowed and that there is penalties for those who continue to utilize those types of practices, whether on the federal, the state, the county, or the local level. That's right. Hear, hear. We can leave it at that. The George Floyd Justice and Policing Act, folks, will not be ready for a vote by May 25th,
Starting point is 01:17:35 the first anniversary of George Floyd's death. Congressman Karen Bass emphasized that the bipartisan group working on the police reform bill wants to get it right. They haven't come to terms yet. She suggested the legislation could still be voted upon in the coming weeks, You know, Recy, a lot of people keep... Black folks been hitting me, man. How did they pass the anti-Asian hate bill? And they ain't moved on this. First of all, to everybody who...
Starting point is 01:18:18 I see Greg shaking his head. First of all, most of y'all fools ain't read the damn bill. Exactly. You ain't read it. Don't hurt bill. Exactly. You ain't read it. No. You ain't read it. It is not a specific Asian bill.
Starting point is 01:18:35 I mean, that's how dumb this is. And so a bill, the George Floyd Justice Act, it's hard to pass the House. It requires negotiation with their end. So these people are like, Act, it's already passed the House. It requires negotiation with their end. So these people are like, where's that? Where's the anti-lynching bill? And I've been challenging
Starting point is 01:18:52 these fools. Well, how many of y'all even call your senator? Oop. You're sitting there around here complaining, where's this? What have you done? That's the thing that kills me recently.
Starting point is 01:19:07 And it's like, yo, this is why it takes negotiation. Right. I would rather them keep negotiating than have no bill at all. Make it happen. Yeah, but also, I mean, here's the thing. Like you said, Roland, people don't even look at the details. And I think there are, and I said yesterday, there are plenty of examples of how Black people get screwed, justice is delayed, it's hard fought, or is denied altogether. But this COVID anti-hate crime bill is not one of those. It literally creates a DOJ employee position, which, by the way, you don't even need legislation to do this.
Starting point is 01:19:41 They can easily do this on an executive level. But I understand that Congress wants to get a win, and they put this legislation forward. And it creates issuing guidance. This is not some new class of protection that's specifically only for Asian Americans. The hate crimes has been legal since the Title I of the Civil Rights Act, which was for Black people, by the way.
Starting point is 01:20:00 And then in 2009, you have the Matthew Shepard and the James Byrd Jr. Hate Crime Act that was attached to the defense authorization. And so this isn't some, oh, all of a sudden now we care about hate crimes. Where is the Afro-American hate crimes bill? What are you talking about? Did you miss the 1960s? Did you miss the Civil Rights Act? Why are y'all mad about shit that has been in place for decades when we have the George
Starting point is 01:20:23 Ford Justice and Policing Act, which, by the way, when it was introduced, what went viral that day can take long, went viral. So we have to get serious about how bad we want these things to pass. It's not cool to only bring it up when you want to talk about, oh, this person is getting that.
Starting point is 01:20:40 Oh, Biden is reversing transgender discrimination. Oh, they've signed the anti-Asian hate crimes bill. Where's our black ass bill? Well, where is the energy to pass it? Why did we not seize the momentum when people were out in the streets and we had a bill on the floor to pressure Mitch McConnell to get up Rand Paul's ass when he was filibustering the anti-lynching legislation that had passed two times previously under the leadership of then-Senator Kamala Harris, Senator Booker, and even Tam Scott, unanimously. And it had passed in the House, and Rand Paul was the one who filibustered it.
Starting point is 01:21:14 So we have to get our shit together and quit looking at, well, they got this and they got that. When we get more... We-we focus so much more on getting cool points and scoring viral tweets and getting a clickbait and being the most woke motherfuckers on the Internet,
Starting point is 01:21:30 and then we wonder why our stuff is not getting passed. So we have to get serious. We have to put the pressure on it. We should have done it ten times more last year, but we were too busy arguing about this doesn't go far enough and this doesn't happen, and then a year later, everybody's complaining about the bill that they trashed and didn't get
Starting point is 01:21:48 behind last year. So get serious and let's see what happens. But I already see people trashing qualified amenity. It might be out. Qualified amenity is probably going to be out, but we're going to get the ban on chokeholds, which is what is addressing Eric Garner and actually addressing George Floyd. We're going to get the ban on no-knock warrants. We're going to get the registry, the national registry, which something like that would have prevented the person who killed Tamir Rice from being able to get his job. So there's a lot
Starting point is 01:22:16 of victories in this bill if we get behind it and quit trying to tear down any kind of progress that we can make so we can complain a year or two years later down the line if we don't have any progress. So here's what is interesting, Greg. This is from an NPR story, and this is for the people, again, who don't read.
Starting point is 01:22:34 It says the bill aims to make the reporting of hate crimes more accessible at the local and state levels by boosting public outreach and ensuring reporting resources are available online in multiple languages. It also directs the Department of Justice to designate a point person to expedite the review of hate crimes related to COVID-19 and authorizes grants to state and local governments to conduct crime reduction programs to prevent and respond to hate crimes.
Starting point is 01:22:59 Greg, that's not only Asians. It's hate crimes. That's everybody. So for all the people who keep acting like, ooh, the Asians got their bill. Y'all, I told y'all, all these old fake-ass YouTube historians, Roland Martin, you did a video saying Congress can't pass a specific bill based upon race. Y'all, the attacks on Asians precipitated the bill.
Starting point is 01:23:33 The bill ain't specific to Asians. It's not. If there's a hate crime that involves somebody black, this also impacts them i don't i don't understand why people and again this is what happens when you listen to these fake ass youtube historians who read nothing and y'all fools get all excited and hyped about well so, so-and-so, she said this, and he said this. If black people are a victim of a hate crime, it could get reported under the...
Starting point is 01:24:11 Greg, go ahead. No, brother, you laid it out. You answered the question. We're not only not reading, we're in a society where literacy is not an asset. Everything is tied to your capacity to earn some money, to make some money. So, you know, the least amount of time you can spend reading, thinking, you know, those things are diminished in this society.
Starting point is 01:24:34 So, I mean, I mean, so, of course, it wouldn't know. But, yeah, having read, as I think we all have, the COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act, you know, a couple of things struck me. And then listening, of course, to Congresswoman Bass today who said, you know, if this thing passed the way I wanted it exactly, after it passed, the next day, I will be back in there moving forward. In other words, there are no silver bullets. And Risa, you made a very important point, sis.
Starting point is 01:24:59 When you look at that three or four years after the end of the Civil War, 1865, 6, 7, the Civil Rights Act of 1866, going back to Byron Allen, that's what he's using to go into court, I suspect. Now look, legislation and policy is only as good as your capacity to enforce it. When you saw the deaths of Swirner, Goodman, and Cheney a century later in 1964 in Mississippi, the reason why United States v. Price reached the Supreme Court and they were able
Starting point is 01:25:26 to uphold a federal conviction of those crackers who acted as a mob in there, who acted under the color of law, was because the example was so egregious that you could charge them and convict them on intent.
Starting point is 01:25:42 The problem with the George Floyd Act is the problem in American law in the first place, which is when you're dealing with non-white life, the assumption is that there was no intent in terms of harming non-white people, particularly black people, there was no intent that was racial. All of that is about juries.
Starting point is 01:26:00 All of that is about judges. It isn't about the letter of the law. In fact, arguably, you would need no new legislation. Malcolm X's birthday was yesterday. Remember when he said in 1963 that when, uh, when Black people took the thing in their own hands in Birmingham after the crackers came out there, started trying to beat up Black people,
Starting point is 01:26:16 Kennedy sent in the troops? Malcolm said there was no new law. There was only a decision by a policymaker to make these words mean something when white life was being threatened. Why am I saying that in the context of what we saw today with this COVID-19 act? You're absolutely right, Roland.
Starting point is 01:26:31 Money in that act is going to be used to create a national database. You know who doesn't want a national database? The five congressional Republicans out of Georgia who voted against it, including Marjorie Taylor Greene. And in the United States Senate, one of the leaders of the January 6th insurrection, young Josh Hawley out of Missouri, who was the only member of the United States Senate to vote
Starting point is 01:26:55 against the legislation. Do you know why? Because they understand that there is no silver bullet in one bill, in one piece of legislation, but every time you win an incremental victory, and if and when they take out qualified immunity, the George Floyd Act is a toothless act, but it's got one more tooth than it did the day before it signed, and then we keep going. Every time you push a little farther, you get closer to the resolution. This country is not going to exist in its current formation. What these white boys are going to understand one day
Starting point is 01:27:25 is that the only hope they have of not having to meet their maker in the streets of these very cities they think they're protecting is policy that will somehow, going back to what you said, Mustafa, a second ago, will somehow create some safety nets for all of us. Because if all of us don't get a safety net,
Starting point is 01:27:44 ain't nobody going to have a damn safety net. That's what all of us. Because if all of us don't get a safety net, ain't nobody gonna have a damn safety net. That's what history teaches us. And, uh, y'all, again, it's the really stuck-on stupid people. Like this dumbass who goes by Truthseeker. He goes, The George Floyd Act is not a bill just for black folk either, Roland.
Starting point is 01:28:01 So Asian crime bill is for everyone, but call the Asian crime bill. You okay, RoRo? No, dumbass. Go to my computer. This is the name of the bill. The bill is called the COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act.
Starting point is 01:28:18 That's the name. It was introduced as a result of the hate crimes attacks on Asians during COVID. That's right. So no, dumbass, it's not the anti-Asian hate crimes bill. Just like the 1964 Civil Rights Act is not the black people bill. See, for all y'all dumbasses, and again, this is what happens
Starting point is 01:28:53 when y'all listen to fake-ass YouTube historian slash never will be's. I ain't calling wannabes. They are never will be's. Don ain't calling wannabes. They are never will bees. Don't do it, Rob. Don't do it. Y'all get all, oh my God, oh my God,
Starting point is 01:29:13 oh my God, this is what they doing for them. For all you dumb asses out there, you ever heard of the 1996 Married with Disabilities Act? Hmm. Hmm. Matter of fact, let me just go ahead. You ever heard of the 1996 American Disabilities Act? Mm. Mm. Matter of fact, let me just go ahead.
Starting point is 01:29:28 1996 American... ..with Disabilities Act. Let me go ahead and pull that up. Um, to all of the fools... OK. Um, to all of the fools, okay, do y'all know what the basis of this act is? The 1964 Civil Rights Act. That's right. The 1964 Civil Rights Act was a bill that black people fought for,
Starting point is 01:30:07 that dealt with the public accommodations, that later, because of... I'm sorry, did you just say public accommodations? Come on, brother. Yes. It applies to people with disabilities. Again, for Indian asses who don't read, for those of you who literally know nothing,
Starting point is 01:30:35 I mean, you know nothing, Title IX. I'm sorry. Let me go ahead and type Title IX. Don't do it. You know there are no black women. There are no women who are black. Just like there are no black people who need accommodations, brother.
Starting point is 01:30:54 What is... I know I got my last guess. I know that. What is Title IX? Title IX is a federal civil rights law. Passed in 1972. Where did it come from? The 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Starting point is 01:31:15 Why? Because there was a racist from Virginia named Judge Smith who thought that he could kill the 1964 Civil Rights Act by inserting a provision in there about women. What the dumbass racist didn't realize was it actually garnered more votes. So eight years after the 1964 Civil Rights Act was passed, guess what?
Starting point is 01:31:44 Ooh. Title IX was created. before the Civil Rights Act was passed, guess what? Ooh, Title IX was created. So here was a bill black people fought for, was not named after black people, that actually us benefited from. Let me just give the last one to the dumbasses who ain't read nothing in school, who know nothing, and you prove your ignorance every single damn day. Haitians, why are there ballots in their language in Florida?
Starting point is 01:32:28 Oh, because of the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Why are there ballots in Korean? Why are there ballots in Chinese? Why are there ballots in multiple languages? Oh, was that the black bill? No. Did black people fight for the 1965 Voting Rights Act? Yes.
Starting point is 01:32:56 Was it to ensure our voting rights were protected? Yes. Was that for American descendants of slaves or foundational black Americans or B1 or whatever? No. Others have benefited from it. So for all you
Starting point is 01:33:19 fools who ain't even read the damn COVID bill, who know nothing about it, and how the Asians got a bill and we ain't even read the damn COVID bill. Who know nothing about it. And how the Asians got a bill and we ain't got one. I ain't hear y'all say that when Congressman Bobby Scott got the bill passed
Starting point is 01:33:39 when it came to the police registry that Obama signed into law when he was out on the streets protesting with Black Lives Matter. I ain't hear none of y'all talk all that bullshit when it came to the police registry that Obama signed into law when he was out in the streets protesting with Black Lives Matter. I ain't hear none of y'all talk all that bullshit when Congresswoman Alma Adams inserted language in the farm bill that led to millions going to HBCU. Y'all talk all that shit about the CBC, but y'all didn't say nothing.
Starting point is 01:34:02 Y'all said nothing about that. If all y'all talking all that trash, you didn't say a damn thing about that was inserted in the COVID relief bill. And no, the $5 billion wasn't all for black farmers. It was for disadvantaged farmers that included African-Americans. But it's amazing how y'all don't bring none of that up. Five billion. Y'all don't say nothing. But you want to hide.
Starting point is 01:34:36 Roland, you supported the Democrats, and we ain't got nothing. All right. Tell me how many black businesses without a business due to COVID-19 who didn't get PPP loans? See? See, since y'all want to go there. Yeah, man, you sitting here, you know,
Starting point is 01:34:58 Reesey, you sitting here supporting Kamala and y'all all up here supporting the Democrats. All right, well, tell me this then. Did your ass cash that check? Don't, don't, don't do it. Did y'all cash that check for the $1.9 billion COVID relief plan? Holler at me if you did.
Starting point is 01:35:18 Let me know if you sent that check back to the IRS. Hmm, hmm. check back to the IRS. Hmm. Hmm. And for every fool hollering, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, where the anti-lynching bill? How many of you punk asses called Senator Rand Paul's office?
Starting point is 01:35:37 Exactly. That's right. That's right. Okay, y'all talking all this trash about, uh, uh, uh, where the joy and floor justice act how many of you punk asses have called the sinners for you from
Starting point is 01:35:50 right see y'all don't want to go there all y'all want to do is sit here and bitch and moan man the cbc ain't shit they ain't done nothing uh uh they ain't done what what your ass have done
Starting point is 01:36:06 tell me that tell me that so again if any one of y'all please tell me the Asians got they bill read it tell me how that bill
Starting point is 01:36:22 is specific only to Asians. It's not. That's what happens when all y'all do is listen to fake-ass YouTube never-will-bes who are only interested in taking more of your money and y'all fools should hear what so-and-so said, so-and-so said, so-and-so, uh, so-and-so, uh, did this here,
Starting point is 01:36:49 uh, so-and-so said this here, uh, we need to get ours, uh, where's our check, where's our check? Matter of fact, all y'all talking all this shit, how many of y'all call your congressional member about H.R. 40? Lord have mercy. See, since y'all wanted to invite hashtag team whip that ass to today's
Starting point is 01:37:10 show, I decided to unleash it. Lord have mercy. Show me the proof of you calling your member of Congress every single day, five days
Starting point is 01:37:26 a week, encouraging them to pass H.R. 40. Show me. Show me what all the fake-ass YouTube historians y'all follow. Show me how they mobilize and organize people to actually get that voted on. Since y'all
Starting point is 01:37:43 want to run your mouths. Mm-hmm. I thought so. Y'all mighty damn quiet. Punk-ass truth seeker, you ain't seeking nothing right now because you saw today's clip and you got it.
Starting point is 01:38:04 And he's a proxy for a whole bunch of y'all. So y'all can stop sending me these stupid tweets with all the Asian goddails and we ain't got all of us. Please, by all means, show me the Asian-specific bill.
Starting point is 01:38:22 By all means. And see, all y'all fools who said, Roland, you wrong. We can't have. No, no, you wrong. No, everybody else
Starting point is 01:38:38 got specific bills. That $5 billion? Why they getting sued by white farmers? Say that. Come on, Rowland. Right there. Put that right there.
Starting point is 01:38:50 Make sure people understand what you about to say. See, all y'all punk asses talking all this trash. I told y'all what happens when you do that. That's right. So since y'all keep saying they need to sign a law specific to black people, again, why they getting sued by white farmers?
Starting point is 01:39:16 Saying you can't set aside $5 billion for non-white farmers. It's unfair to us. Even though we know less than 1% of the more than $50 billion that went to those farmers under Trump only went to black farmers.
Starting point is 01:39:35 See, it's amazing what happens when you actually read shit. My daddy watched damn near 6- seven hours of news a day. Read the paper backwards and forwards. That's where I got it from. So, excuse me, I actually read. I actually listen. I'm not one of you derelicts
Starting point is 01:40:00 who listen to folks with bad lace fronts and listen to other incompetent wannabe economists and listen to folk who just run off at the mouth but who don't actually teach you civics. If you want something, pick the phone up.
Starting point is 01:40:30 Call. Show up. You ain't got to come to D.C. Take your ass down to the district office. Every member of the House has a district office. You ever visit it? You ever drove by it? Every United States senator
Starting point is 01:40:47 has multiple offices in the state. Have you been there? Have you visited? Do you know your face? Don't tell me I know what I'm talking about. Mama and Daddy did it. I spoke before the city council in Houston.
Starting point is 01:41:04 I rode the bus with my mama with the metropolitan organization down to Austin when they had a rally. I went down with my mama and my daddy when they went before school boards and city council meetings. Who the hell y'all think y'all talking to? You don't think I understand how public policy works?
Starting point is 01:41:27 How activism works? How mobilization works? I do. That's what we share on this show. But too many of y'all want to sit on YouTube and Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and bitch and moan. And what y'all going to do? What y'all going to do? What you going to do?
Starting point is 01:41:45 It's great. It's education time. And bottom line, Greg, I'm sick and tired of these people. Again, listen to folk who are preying on their emotions, who are doing the same, they doing the same thing to y'all that Trump's doing.
Starting point is 01:42:04 Pushing your racial buttons and you end up attacking black people who are actually fighting for you. Y'all can go ahead and comment before I go to break. Go on ahead. Greg Reesey Mustafa. I just co-signed, brother. Reading is fundamental. That's what they said to us when we were growing up. And my daddy was like, yo, daddy,
Starting point is 01:42:29 my daddy worked that shift at the VA hospital. Come home, read that paper. Front to back, back to front. And a lot of y'all understand that because you got people like that in your families. We all understand why everybody's feeling that way. It's out of our pain. Our people have been persecuted for centuries. So this isn't an attack on their pain. It's a reminder
Starting point is 01:42:48 as John Henry Clark used to say, don't just get mad, get smart. We can do this, but we're going to have to do it. Everything. What did A. Philip Randolph say? Whatever you get at that table, you have to take. And then you got to keep it. This is a war. It's been a war since the first person who looked like you put their hands on you on the coast of Africa. And Black
Starting point is 01:43:11 people sold Black people into slavery. Let's get rid of that too. Guess what? No supply, no demand, no supply. It wouldn't have been no fights over there if it hadn't been a boat sitting up there with some people who are open enemies and now their children's children are the ones shooting you in the face in the streets and trying to pass legislation
Starting point is 01:43:28 to keep you out. And if you don't think calling and protesting and doing all this stuff isn't effective, ask yourself this. Why are they working so hard to stop you from voting? Because they understand. It's up to us to understand now.
Starting point is 01:43:44 Recy? Dr. Carr, I think what he said, it's not an attack on your pain. That is so key. It's not an attack on your pain. I understand, like Dr. Carr says, why people feel like black people are left out. We are left out all the time.
Starting point is 01:43:56 But let's focus on the battles that we still have yet to win. We're not sitting up here comparing shit that we already got decades ago. Is it as effective as it could be? No. And neither is this new COVID-19 hate crimes bill going to be, okay? So let's focus on what's still left to do.
Starting point is 01:44:12 Let's focus on putting one more tooth in that mouth, you know, of these two-foot bills. That's right. That's right. Let's focus on who are our real enemies. There are real enemies, okay? Almost 100% of the Republican Party, we can't even get them to say two plus two equals four
Starting point is 01:44:28 and y'all up on the CBC's ass every time I turn around. So let's focus on the people that are actually standing in the way of us getting our justice, of us making progress and quit being distracted by the clickbait, being distracted by
Starting point is 01:44:44 the memes, by the tweets that are miscaptioned and the images and the headlines and the disinformation and the YouTube scholars. And let's actually educate ourselves on what the solutions are, who are the people pushing those solutions and who are the people on the opposite side and mobilizing that way.
Starting point is 01:44:59 Because like Dr. Carr always says, the individual is not going to be that we have to collectively come together. And the sooner that we become a we, instead of foreign factions on Twitter, we will start to make progress, period. That's right. Mustafa?
Starting point is 01:45:16 Black folks, we are incredibly powerful, but we deplete our power when we don't educate ourselves, when we don't understand the systems and where the leverage points are. I worked for John Conyers for two years. In the nighttime, at the end of the day, John would come in and he would say, who called in today? Who emailed in today? What were their concerns? Were they supporting HR 676, the universal health care bill that we were working on, and a number of other things. Did anybody call in and ask about reparations and the bills that I'm introducing to actually address that issue? You have power, but we give it away. We give it away to folks
Starting point is 01:45:57 all the time. Recy shared with you. I wanted to take notes while you were talking, because if we would actually understand our power and we would continue to utilize it in this moment, the midterms is a blink away. What are you doing? How are you getting prepared? Who else are you educating to maximize that power? If you want to actually make sure, one, make sure you're supporting these brothers and sisters
Starting point is 01:46:21 who are fighting for you. On Capitol Hill, it is a shark game that's going on up there. They need your support. The administration needs your support to push them to go as far as they possibly can. If they turn around and there's nobody pushing them, then they can't say, I got a million folks. So let's do this. Let's have a million black folks over the next week call the folks on Capitol Hill, email to folks on Capitol Hill. And as Roland said, or make sure you're stopping by if you got your mask on, because I still think black folks need to wear masks. You go by their district offices and just say, you know what, I just want to share with you what my expectations are of the member. And I'm going to support that
Starting point is 01:47:02 member if they're moving in that direction. That's what power looks like. If you want the resources that the federal government actually has, you got to get engaged in that. These dollars that are going to flow from the federal down to the state, to the counties, and to the locals, you got to be engaged in that process. If you don't, those dollars are going to go to the folks who are engaged in the process.
Starting point is 01:47:23 And I'm just, like'm just, I'm just like, I got some dumb ass Maurice Arrington called the CBC for not speaking out against what ears are doing to the Palestinians. Dumb ass. Cori Bush talked about that on the floor of the car. Don't say it, Roland. Don't say it. Y'all are pressed.
Starting point is 01:47:38 They talked about that. See, this was how stupid some of y'all are. Y'all just sit here and just tweet. Just dumb stuff. Don't, don sit here and just tweet just dumb stuff. Don't respond to him, Roland. Roland, maybe I'll say this right, because you should start with this. Just dumb. I just want to say this right quick, brother. One of the proudest
Starting point is 01:47:54 moments I've had watching C-SPAN and watching, when I saw Cori Bush, Rashida Tlaib, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, when I saw them stand up the other day, one after the other, and put that Palestinian issue in,
Starting point is 01:48:09 this is why people say, all the parties are the same, they don't vote. Then you didn't even watch. Don't get, look, now I'm getting mad like you. Let me calm down. Ignore that, Roland, because it happened, okay? If you want to know, go look it up. Go watch Roland Martin Unfiltered.
Starting point is 01:48:23 They all listed right there, and you can watch the video. But don't even, don't argue with people. This is how ignorance works. Reese just said, you throw something out there, and people start arguing, and before you know it, you've been distracted from the theft. Right. So, again, so, dumbass Maurice Arrington,
Starting point is 01:48:40 and all y'all trash in the CBC, this is called Exhibit A for Idiots. ...of military occupation. In Sheikh Jarrah, the Israeli government is violently dispossessing yet another neighborhood of Palestinian families from homes they have lived in for decades. We cannot stand idly and complicitly by
Starting point is 01:49:00 and allow the occupation and oppression of the Palestinian people to continue. We cannot remain silent when our government... Anybody else want an ass whooping today? I got lots of spare ass whoopings at the office today. Anybody else want one today? You know what? I'm going to tell y'all something
Starting point is 01:49:21 that my daddy once told me, and I know he watching and he got mad because I was talking too much in class and a teacher called the house and was like your son talking too much in class now me personally I think my dad should be
Starting point is 01:49:38 apologizing to me because I was practicing then for what I do now so Because I was practicing then for what I do now. So, you know, I'm just saying. I mean, I was practicing, Daddy. But my dad said, he said, man, if you don't shut your mouth in class, I'm going to stomp a mud hole in your ass.
Starting point is 01:49:59 And I stood there and I was like, damn, what's a mud hole? That's a black man right there. Because, you know, I saw a movie the other day. Matter of fact, the movie where Morgan Freeman played the pimp, and they were on the basketball court, and he jammed his brother up who blocked his shot, and he said the same thing. He said, I'm going to slap a mud hole in your ass.
Starting point is 01:50:17 And I was like, where that? I said, that's got to be a black man phrase. I'm going to slap a mud hole in your ass. And so any of y'all out here want to keep tweeting me and posting nonsense, I'll be happy to start some mud holes in your asses. Because I'm just tired of this. I'm just tired of this. I'm just...
Starting point is 01:50:33 Stop him, Reese and Mustafa. Please, stop him. I'm just tired of this, man. I want to say one more thing. To Dr. Carr's point, were you watching? I need us to challenge ourselves to move beyond what goes viral. That's point, were you watching? I need us to challenge ourselves to move beyond what goes viral.
Starting point is 01:50:48 That's why we... I'm kind of preaching to the choir a little bit because you're watching Roland Martin. I thought you were seeing this. But please stop just focusing on what goes viral. If you care about an issue, follow the people that are talking about the issue. Ayanna Pressley is not going to go viral for that.
Starting point is 01:51:02 Cori Bush is not going to go viral for that. Doesn't mean I didn't speak about it. So any issue that you claim to care about, seek out the issue and seek out the people talking about those issues, and then you help that go viral instead of just waiting until it makes it to a meme on the Shade Room or Bottle Alert on your favorite YouTube channel.
Starting point is 01:51:19 You need to challenge yourselves and step up your game. And as Mustafa said, educate ourselves. We are our own worst enemies because we claim to care about issues, but yet we don't want to do any of the legwork to even inform ourselves or support the people who are actually pushing us forward on those issues. And let me be real clear. This is also what happens when y'all spend y'all time listening to gossip channels. Mm. This is what happens when y'all spend y'all time
Starting point is 01:51:50 listening to dating channels. And y'all caught up. All this debate. I'm so tired. Y'all, I'm so tired of these fools talking about what's a high net worth man, a high net worth woman. Oh.
Starting point is 01:52:07 When if some of y'all were real honest. So y'all don't really want me to go there. I know my frat brother Major is waiting, but y'all don't really want me to go there. Because y'all love sitting here talking about, you know, you start, you listen to mess. You listen, I'm just going to go old school black. See, you listen to mess. You listen to mess. See, this is what happened when y'all spend y'all time just talking about, you know, well,
Starting point is 01:52:39 I want a high net worth man. I want a high net worth woman. I want a high net worth woman when your own mama and daddy couldn't make your list. Yeah, y'all don't want me to have that show one day, do y'all? Matter of fact, I might go ahead and do that. I might go ahead and do that. Well, I might as well have an hour dating show and just go ahead and just barrel through some of y'all
Starting point is 01:53:05 nonsense because it's just dumb. But see, when you got folk who go, man, I can't stand, you know, we don't know what's going on, but see, when you spend your time listening to gossip, when you spend your time on mess,
Starting point is 01:53:23 see, that's what happens when you do that. Whole bunch of y'all caught up in Kwame Brown and Steven Jackson and Matt Barnes acting like some damn 10-year-olds, posting videos, threatening each other, talking about each other. Yeah, I don't cover that bullshit here.
Starting point is 01:53:47 I don't. I don't give a damn who J-Lo's sleeping with right now. I don't care. I don't care who the hell somebody dating. I don't care. That's why you don't get that mess on this show. Now, if y'all want to go listen to y'all want to go listen to gossip with lace fronts
Starting point is 01:54:08 go on right ahead there's nothing wrong with lace fronts, Roland no, no, no, bad lace fronts gossip with lace fronts bad lace fronts bad lace fronts, yeah if y'all want to go listen
Starting point is 01:54:23 if y'all want to go listen to people who only get views when they mention my name, go ahead. If y'all want to go listen to people who want to call folk coons and everything else, y'all go right ahead. Not here.
Starting point is 01:54:42 You're going to get educated here. You're going to learn something here. You're going to learn something here. And what you're not going to do is come here with that BS because we know they ain't read nothing. All they're doing is pressing your emotional buttons and you are responding accordingly. So take this as a warning. If you come at Uncle Roro,
Starting point is 01:55:07 don't come here with foolishness. Because I'm going to check you. I'm going to hit you square in your eyes with some facts. And then I'm going to purposely call your name so everybody know you a fool. So that's why that dude Maurice, yeah, they all gonna know your name, Maurice. They're gonna
Starting point is 01:55:30 know how dumb you are that you don't know how to use Google. Because all your dumbass, this is my last point before Major, if your dumbass had just, let me just show your dumbass how it's done.
Starting point is 01:55:47 I mean, just for y'all. And I know somebody out there rolling you cussing, and my daddy probably said, son, you cussing. I don't... Let me show you idiots what I just did. For the fool who said, why the CBC ain't said nothing about Israel.
Starting point is 01:56:04 Go to my computer. Went to Twitter. And there was a fool who said, why the CBC ain't said nothing about Israel? Go to my computer. Went to Twitter. And there was a fool who sent me a tweet. Went to Twitter. I typed in Ayanna Pressley. Hmm. I clicked. Matter of fact, I didn't even have to click videos.
Starting point is 01:56:21 So dumbass Maurice Arringtonton who sent me that stupid tweet. Maurice, I typed in one of the 59 members of the Black Caucus. My God, look at the first post that came up.
Starting point is 01:56:40 Waleed Shaheed posted it. It's right there. Right there. Up, scroll to the second one. Ayanna Pressley questions USA to Israel. Oh, question the third one. Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Ayanna Pressley, and Cori Bush voice support of Palestine
Starting point is 01:57:00 in speeches to Congress. Guess what, dumbass Maurice? Three of them are members of the CBC. Tlaib, Bush, and Presley. But your simple, silent ass
Starting point is 01:57:14 can't even use basic damn search functions. Again, anybody else would like for me to stomp a mud hole in your ass, please, by all means, step up. I'll be back with my frat brother Major on Rolling Mountain Unfiltered. Shortly after 9-11, America and its allies went to war in Afghanistan to defeat a terrorist stronghold. We accomplished that mission years ago.
Starting point is 01:57:49 Trillions of dollars lost, over 2,000 Americans dead, countless Afghans dead. It's time to get out. Many presidents have tried to end the war in Afghanistan, but President Biden is actually going to do it. And by 9-11, over 20 years after the war was started, the last American soldier will depart, and America's longest war will be over. Promise made, promise kept. Carl Payne pretended to be Roland Martin. Holla! Hi, I'm Chaley Rose, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered, please do so by joining our Bring the Funk fan club. Every dollar you give is going to support what we do.
Starting point is 01:58:48 Cash app, dollar sign, RM Unfiltered. PayPal.me forward slash rmartinunfiltered. Venmo.com forward slash rmunfiltered. Zelle is rolling at rollingmastmartin.com. Please support what we do, y'all, because we're all about speaking truth to power. Not only that,
Starting point is 01:59:04 Reesey, so last, was it last week you were on? Yes. You asked us to support. So here's the deal. A lot of y'all have been asking. Erica Wilson, who was Erica, normally is on our Thursday panel. Erica was in a major car accident, y'all. A major car accident.
Starting point is 01:59:23 We almost lost Erica. That's how serious this car accident was. She's in serious physical therapy, okay? That's why, like, I'm talking about, Erica told me she won't be on for a year. Hopefully with her physical therapy, that'll get
Starting point is 01:59:38 reduced. So that's what's going on with her while she's out on Thursday. And so Reese asked us, uh, Reese asked me, because you know Erica ain't gonna, I told Erica if you need something holla, Erica ain't gonna ask for nothing. So we got her Cash app
Starting point is 01:59:52 and a lot of y'all gave her a love offering. I just want y'all to know, so hold on, let me go ahead and read this. Let me go ahead and read this. She said, my heart is full rolling. Thank you and the RMU family for the love offering. Lots of therapies, but God will heal me. Miss you all.
Starting point is 02:00:13 God bless. And so, Erica, if y'all want to send a little love offer, tell her you miss Erica. She's dollar sign Erica Savage Wilson. Dollar sign E-R-I-C-A-S-A-V-A-G-E Wilson. W-I-L-S-O-N. Dollar sign Erica Savage Wilson. Dollar sign E-R-I-C-A-S-A-V-A-G-E Wilson. W-I-L-S-O-N. Dollar sign Erica Savage Wilson. We definitely miss Erica on the show.
Starting point is 02:00:31 I know the folks in Albany, Georgia, I miss her as well. So we just want to go ahead and keep praying for her again, y'all, as she goes through her physical therapy. Mustafa, my daddy said he liked that hat. So I don't want to let you, my daddy said he liked that hat. I don't want to let you know. He said he liked that hat. He'll be sending me texts while I'm sitting here working.
Starting point is 02:00:53 I want to give you that shout out. Y'all be sending stuff, my lord. Y'all be sending stuff to the show. Reesey. Hey, Chelsea, bring me them blankets. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Y'all, black people, I love bring me them blankets. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Y'all, black people, look, I love the RMU family.
Starting point is 02:01:09 Y'all be hooking us up. Y'all be so, I mean, I told y'all, yeah, bring me that cane in my office. Greg, you sold the cane, Greg? No. Greg, somebody sent me a Roland Martin unfiltered alpha cane. I don't need it. There's such a thing?
Starting point is 02:01:23 That sounds nice. No, she made it. So y'all, bring me that box on the front desk with those crocheted blankets in it, and bring me my, uh, yeah, bring me the cane out the office. Y'all, seriously, folks be sending me, um, OK. OK, let me do this here. It's got a curve on the top.
Starting point is 02:01:43 Hey, dawg, yeah, it's one of them old school, it's one of them old school, uh, and let me, I need to do this here. It's got a curve on the top. Hey, dawg. Yeah, it's one of them old school. It's one of them old school. And let me, I need to show this too. Remember I told y'all Angela Brock, Angela Brock, I told y'all she'd get the $100 check. So Angela's daughter is a journalist. OK, I got to give her a shout out. So let me, let me, where's all my stuff up here?
Starting point is 02:02:04 All right, here the cane. All right, so let me wear all my stuff up here. All right, here the cane. All right, so let me read this. Y'all, I told y'all my black people be hooking us up. Control room, y'all just hold on. I know we going over time, but it's all good. Y'all, so she sent this. My name is Angela Brock, native Washingtonian, huge fan and avid watcher of Roma Unfiltered.
Starting point is 02:02:26 Enclosed her check for $100. I learned so much from your panel discussions, guests and commentary. A day doesn't go by without me spreading the message to my friends, family and clients about the knowledge that I get from your show. Hold on, let me see this again. And pull it up right here.
Starting point is 02:02:45 And she said, Henry, you got that? You got that? So she said, I've also enclosed a T-shirt for you that my daughter Angel Brock designed. She is selling these shirts to get the, drop the lower third.
Starting point is 02:02:57 She is selling these shirts to get the message out that America needs black journalists, now more than ever. Her story as a news producer in local news in today's society is interesting within itself. She understands your plight and is passionate about the black agenda. Read her reason for designing this shirt on the enclosed note card. And then her website is angelbrocktv.com.
Starting point is 02:03:19 She's a news producer who received the White House Correspondents Award. She is doing great things in her career. Her mama, Angela Brock. So that's the shirt I wore on yesterday's show. And so I just want to give her a shout out. And so Greg, one of the guests made this here. This has Roland Martin unfiltered.
Starting point is 02:03:38 It has Roland Martin and it has on the other side black and gold. Mustafa, you're a fellow alpha too. Has A5A on it. And so yeah, she made you're a fellow alpha, too. Has A5A on it. And so, yeah, she made that. And Reesey, did the sister put her name in here? Hold on, did she put it right here? All right, so I can't make out her name.
Starting point is 02:03:58 Hi, Mr. Martin, could you please give these two blankets to Miss Reesey, or her new baby girl. If you're not able to, would you please donate them? So I'm going to send them to Reese, y'all. I got to mail them to Reese. So Reese, this is one of the blankets. This person crocheted for your new baby. That's that blanket right there.
Starting point is 02:04:23 And I guess they hedged their bets because they figured that was going to be a boy. So they went ahead and made two. So this is the pink one. Oh, I love it. Right here. So I'm going to mail those to you and get them to you. Thank you. So to our fans, I appreciate y'all for supporting
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