#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Chaos on Capitol Hill continues; Cop killings spike; CT Rep. Quentin Williams dies in car crash

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Starting point is 00:00:39 The video looks phenomenal. See, there's a difference between Black Star Network and Black-owned media and something like CNN. You can't be Black-owned media and be scary. It's time to be smart. Bring your eyeballs home. You dig? Thank you. Hey folks, today is Thursday, January 5th, 2023. Coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the Black Star Network. We still have no Speaker of the House because Republicans, they have lost their damn minds.

Starting point is 00:01:54 They cannot make a decision on Kevin McCarthy. So we are still voting and voting and voting. We'll be talking with Congressman Troy Carter of New Orleans about the sheer lunacy of Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives. Some breaking news, folks, out of Connecticut. Quentin Williams, a state rep, folks, was just sworn in yesterday in the statehouse, dies in a car accident last night. We'll give you those particular, actually, the car accident today.

Starting point is 00:02:25 We'll give you those details. President Joe Biden addressed the issue of immigrants. They're going to expand Title 42 to now include immigrants, illegal immigrants from other countries, including Haiti. We'll tell you about that issue as well. Also, police killed, listen to this, folks,

Starting point is 00:02:45 two years after the death of George Floyd, police killed more people in 2023 than they ever have before. We'll talk to Samuel Sengawe, who follows this, who tracks this and break down exactly how sad this is. Also, folks, losing belly fat, green smoothies. How do you do a new you if you don't necessarily want to try some other ways? Well, JJ Smith, of course,

Starting point is 00:03:18 she had the New York Times bestselling book on green smoothie. She has her 30-day belly challenge. She will join us today. As we continue, I'll focus on a new you in 2023. A lot to talk about, lots to break down. It's time to bring the funk on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Streaming live on the Black Star Network, let's go.

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Starting point is 00:04:08 It's rolling, Martin, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rolling with rolling now, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's funky, he's fresh, he's real, the best you know. He's rolling Martel now. Martel. Lord, y'all, Republicans, they do not know what to do. They continue to ignore, ignore Kevin McCarthy, will not name him as Speaker. This is the result of the 10th vote. We are now in day two, the 10th vote. You see McCarthy got 200 votes. Congressman Hakeem Jeffries, the Democratic leader, got 212. Democrats are holding fast

Starting point is 00:05:01 and solid. Republican Byron Donalds, a black Republican, got 13 votes. Then you see another Republican got seven votes, or Hearn, and then one person voted president. And so no new house sworn in as of yet because there is no speaker. McCarthy made some major concessions last night. That still didn't satisfy the Freedom Caucus. I keep saying, I'm not saying that they're not that into you, Kevin. We are sitting here at a standstill in the U.S. House. It shows you how grossly dysfunctional these Republicans are.

Starting point is 00:05:33 Joining us right now from New Orleans, Congressman from New Orleans, he's there in the nation's capital, Congressman Troy Carter. Congressman, glad to have you. This really is, it's laughable the nation's capital. Congressman Troy Carter. Congressman, glad to have you.

Starting point is 00:05:51 I mean, this really is laughable, but it's also shameful. And it shows the Republican Party, these House members, they are not prepared to govern. They can't even figure out a leader. Well, Roland, thank you very much, as always. Thank you for allowing us to have this platform to talk about real-time issues. And listen, it's very basic. You can't govern if you can't win. And that's what we're dealing with right now,

Starting point is 00:06:17 a Republican Party that is unable to secure the votes to pick a leader. The people of America expect us to be working, to be working on the issues that are important to the American people, not having infighting within a party. The Democratic Party has been unified. We're solidly behind Hakeem Jeffries. The magic number is 218. We don't have 218. They do, but they can't seem to get to that number, which sends a signal to the rest of the country. If you can't get your own members inside your conference to

Starting point is 00:06:53 follow you, how do you get the American people to? It's time to move on. It's time to govern. It's time to get to the issues that are important to the people. We've gone through 10 rounds of votes, 10 rounds of votes, and successively, each time we go, Kevin McCarthy loses ground. There are new people that are introduced as possible speakers, but Kevin McCarthy's numbers are not increasing. Well, and one of the things that we'll also, people will understand, you've got these new members of Congress, their families are here. They're waiting to get sworn in. They're not on the payroll. So the reality is we still are dealing with the previous Congress. So the new members,

Starting point is 00:07:40 the new House members have yet to actually be sworn in. That is right. And none of us have. I mean, we are all actually right now, representative-elects, even those of us that were reelected, we haven't been officially sworn in. So we are still stuck in the procedural part of getting our house in order, if you will. And the Republicans are not helping us do that. They are unable to organize. They're unable to galvanize. They're unable to put the votes together. Although they have the requisite numbers to elect a speaker, they have not been able to come to a consensus. American people are not being served. And that is a travesty. That is a disservice to Democrats and Republicans and others alike. All Americans should be incensed about the inability to get the job done, inability to govern and to move the ball forward to take care of those issues that are critically important

Starting point is 00:08:40 to our governance. We have a warrant in Ukraine right now defending democracy that we've invested in greatly. We have crime on the streets of America. We have people who are hungry, people who are homeless. We have mental health issues. We have environmental issues. We have work to do. And every second that we continue to do the foolishness that we're doing now takes away from the attention that the American people sent us to Washington to do. And we've got to do better. One of the things that as we examine what's going on here, again, you hear some people out here who are saying, well, Democrats should step up.

Starting point is 00:09:22 They should do the right thing and help Republicans out of this bind. Well, Democrats are steadfast. They're saying our votes are behind our guy, Hakeem Jeffries, at 212. What do you make of the people who suggest that Democrats should save Republicans from themselves? Well, the better perhaps would be why don't just six Republicans come over to the 212 Democrats and we can get this thing fixed a lot easier. That would be an argument that we can easily flip back.

Starting point is 00:09:51 So it's not as easy as suggesting that we would go and help the Republicans or Democrats help the Republicans or Republicans help the Democrats. It's about helping the American people. And listen, our votes are secure. Our numbers are not splinter secure. Our numbers are not splintered. Our numbers are not divided. The Democrats are securely in place to support Hakeem Jeffries, the unanimous nominee of the Democratic Party. It's the Republican Party who can't seem to get their ducks in a row, to get their house in order.

Starting point is 00:10:21 We can and are ready and have demonstrated for the last two years, the 117th Congress has had the kind of passage of bills, resources, $1.2 trillion for infrastructure, $1.7 trillion for a spending bill. Listen, we've been working. And when we were in charge and we were in lead, the American people saw progress. Now the Republicans are in charge and we aren't seeing progress. That is a perfect split screen to look at what happens when people are prepared to lead and when those are not. Democrats are prepared to lead and Republicans appear to be in a state of turmoil. Kevin McCarthy last night made some concessions to the Freedom Caucus, came out today, nothing changed. It's abundantly clear they don't like him. I don't know what you're hearing,

Starting point is 00:11:16 but is there any point he is going to get the message and realize they're not backing down, so he's going to have to step aside like he did previously? I would certainly hope so. You know, ransom has been requested. It appears that ransom has been met, but the hostage has still not been released. They've requested all of these concessions that it appears that Mr. McCarthy is acquiescing to. However, we still don't have a speaker. And at some point, and I suggest the point is now,

Starting point is 00:11:45 if Mr. McCarthy does not have the votes, that he step aside and let someone who can get the votes come forward so we can move forward and take care of the people's business. This issue of hide the ball, continue to fight, and go back and forth having vote after vote after vote with zero change. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. This is insanity. Now, give us a sense of, first of all, what's happening on the floor. First of all, let's go live to the floor where they're actually reading the latest vote total. The Honorable Kevin Hearn of the state of Oklahoma has received seven.

Starting point is 00:12:37 With one answering present. No member elect having received a majority of the votes cast, a speaker has not been elected. For what purpose does the gentleman from Arkansas rise? Madam Clerk, I rise tonight in the spirit of 1923 to address the House. Madam Clerk, to nominate Kevin McCarthy for Speaker of the House. The gentleman is recognized. First, let me express my deep appreciation, the appreciation of everybody in this room for the work you're doing, Madam Clerk. So, Congressman Carter, it looks like we're now about to go to another round.

Starting point is 00:13:24 They're putting McCarthy up again, so this is about to go to another round. They're putting McCarthy up again. So this is about to be Groundhog Day. Yeah, here we are again. The next round is going. I'm going to have to get out there. Yes, sir. I'm happy to come back after this vote and start again to kind of give you a debrief of what's going on on the floor. But the same thing is happening. We continue to vote. Nothing changes. It's a game of groundhog.

Starting point is 00:13:55 You know, we keep looking for a shadow. There isn't. We don't know what's going to happen. We keep hoping that we can at least get to a business of taking care of the business of the American people. Yet we continue to have the selfishness of an individual who does not appear to have the votes. This will be our 11th vote. And how many times do we do the same thing? You know, 100 years ago, we went through a series like this. I don't think the people of America have the energy, appetite, or resources to watch this foolishness unfold. Time to govern. Time to move.

Starting point is 00:14:31 I'll be happy to come back out and chat with you guys again. Congressman Carter, we still appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. We're going to go to a break. We'll come back and talk to our panel, our Thursday panel. I know Greg Carr, Reese Colbert, and Erica Savage got something to say about this nonsense happening on the floor of the U.S. House.

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Starting point is 00:17:48 and it's... What? Huh? You should have some cue cards! Hey, what's up, y'all? It's your boy Jacob Lattimore, and you're now watching Roland Martin right now. Eee! All right, folks, let's talk this house dysfunction with our regular Thursday panel. Dr. Greg Carr, Department of Afro-American Studies at Howard University. Recy Colbert, founder of Black Women Views. Erica Savage, the reframed brain.

Starting point is 00:18:35 Glad to have all three of y'all here. Greg, I'll start with you. This is a history thing. First of all, been 100 years since they did not choose a Speaker of the House on the first ballot. We showed this tweet a couple days ago. Michael Bexloss talked about how in 1855 there were 133 votes before a Speaker is chosen. So when I'm watching these shows and people are

Starting point is 00:19:03 talking about, oh my God, we've never seen this. Yes, we've never seen this, but it's not like it hasn't happened. And so people need I think it's amazing people today who don't read history, who literally don't understand how we've had some moments in American history that have been buck wild crazy, where folks have fought on the floor of the house, weapons pulled. I mean, that's American history if people know how to read. That's true. That's true. We just interviewed a guy, University of Penn law professor Kermit Roosevelt III, who's actually the great,

Starting point is 00:19:44 great grandson of Teddy Roosevelt. He wrote a book called The Nation That Never Was. And his argument is that we live in the United States under what he calls the Reconstruction Constitution, which is, of course, no surprise to black folk, as opposed to this Founders' Constitution. And we've never seen anything. In 1923, black people were fighting to vote, including black women, 19th Amendment notwithstanding. In 1855 and 56, that was the battle that formed the Republican Party. When you saw the Massachusetts congressman who was elected to the speakership there in 1856,

Starting point is 00:20:23 he was out of something called the Know Nothing Party, the Nebraska, the Massachusetts Know Nothing Party. They were anti-slavery. They put together a fragile coalition and basically held Congress hostage until they could push through some politicians who could fight back against the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854, which of course expanded slavery into the territories. That whole fight was over slavery. And of course, we didn't have anybody in the chamber, just like 1924. So we've never seen anything. By the way, shout out to whoever that was a minute ago as you were talking to Congressman

Starting point is 00:20:54 Clark, who shouted Sheila Johnson, I'm sorry, Cheryl Johnson for speaker, Howard University grad by the way, clerk of the House, and you don't have to be a congressperson to be speaker. So whoever shouted that a minute ago when she got one of the longest ovations of this whole mess by both sides for doing the job she's doing, she and the sisters who were counting votes, may not be such a bad idea. But this battle, really, it was inevitable in some ways. I mean, think about it.

Starting point is 00:21:23 And you've been talking about this, Roland. What we're seeing is this battle isn't over 1923 or 1856. No, this is a battle over what has been happening since the human rights movement we call the civil rights movement. Remember, the Republicans have basically crucified every speaker they've had. After the Reagan era, you look at Dennis Hasser, you certainly see what happened to Crying John Boehner, which led to Paul Ryan. That was the first time they cut Kevin McCarthy's throat.

Starting point is 00:21:51 This was in some ways inevitable, because the white nationalist core of the white nationalist party is intransigent. They are anti-government. They're anti-federal government. They want to destroy the federal government and then rule over what's left from the states. This is their strategy as a pushback from the civil rights movement. So this really isn't chaos. They aren't insurgents. They are true to their core. And let's be clear about this. Byron Donalds is on their side. I'm glad you interviewed him last year, about a year and a half ago. And then they jumped on

Starting point is 00:22:20 Cori Bush for saying they were using him as a stooge. Well, we've seen a lot of diversity. In that 10th ballot, when Arizona's Juan Custamani got up with his whole family there telling his Then they jumped on Cori Bush for saying they were using him as a stooge. Well, we've seen a lot of diversity. In that 10th ballot, when Arizona's Juan Castamante got up with his whole family there telling his immigrant story, he had nothing to do with this. And then, of course, Pete Aguilar got up on the Democratic side and praised him for having this story, and his own children clapped, because they don't, they can't tell what's going on. It's showing us the limits of diversity.

Starting point is 00:22:41 This is, this is costing politics, finally. I loved when Catherine Clark got up at the beginning of the eighth ballot, who of course is the second in charge in the Democratic Party, and she did those eight 2-1-2s because Hakeem Jeffries has gotten 202 at that point, had gotten it eight times in a row, soon to be ninth

Starting point is 00:22:58 and then tenth. But then she did the litany of what these people have voted against, which includes Kevin McCarthy. Whether it be vaccines, whether it be $34 includes Kevin McCarthy, whether it be vaccines, whether it be $34 a month insulin, whether it be lowered health care premiums, whether it be defending LGBTQ rights or voting rights, whether it be the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act, which Donald's voted against, whether it be manufacturing bills, clean energy, equal pay for women, family leave, all these things they voted against.

Starting point is 00:23:22 And so there's no disagreement in the white nationalist party about their policy agenda. All they have is the disagreement over Kevin McCarthy being the one to lead it. Cause as you said yesterday, Steve Scalise would be just as bad. You know, it's interesting, Recy, when I think about how a lot of these mainstream media folks just acted a fool when the squad held their votes on an issue on the Democratic side. That ain't nothing compared to this. So that's one.

Starting point is 00:23:56 But here's the other thing, and I've heard a lot of African Americans talk about this here. This also is an example, to be perfectly honest, when you look at the Congressional Black Caucus, once they're sworn in, there are 57 members. You know, when Democrats were in control, they literally

Starting point is 00:24:14 could have done the same thing and said, ain't nothing moving unless we get this, this, this. We know the Freedom Caucus folks are crazy. We know that. But this is what you do when there are slim majorities and you know you have the numbers, you can stop stuff from happening

Starting point is 00:24:36 if you're willing to stay unified to do it. Yeah, but the Democrats don't disagree. I mean, all of the priorities for the CBC passed in the House. So, you know... In fact, hold that one second. I want to go to the Florida House to see one of the CBC members speaking. Go ahead, go.

Starting point is 00:24:54 ...overturn an election. And the country, yet again, did what it has done before. It looked to House Democrats to lead and to govern, and that is exactly what we did when we certified the election and we safeguarded the transfer of power. And so here we find ourselves again in unprecedented times, in the early days of the 118th Congress, first time, first time in over 100 years in which the House of Representatives is unable to organize because the House Republican Conference cannot select a speaker. It's a sad day

Starting point is 00:25:46 for this institution, but the country will do what it has done before. It will look to House Democrats to govern and to lead and under the leadership of Hakeem Jeffries that is exactly what we will do. Now, you have heard from so many over the course of the last three days about the wisdom, the leadership, and the talents of this extraordinary leader from Brooklyn. But let me tell you why I believe that he is the person for this moment. Centuries ago, our nation's second president, John Adams, laid bare his fear that members of this body would gain influence by quote meanness not greatness by noise and not sense by ignorance and not learning hakim jeffrey's leadership is rooted in greatness and not meanness.

Starting point is 00:27:06 It is rooted in learning and not ignorance. His approach is rooted in common sense and not the empty and jaded cynicism and noise that we see so often in our political sphere. He is a leader for our times, which is why I believe he is the leader for this time. The bottom line, my colleagues, is this. It is 6.30 p.m. here in Washington, D.C. The House of Representatives, this sacred institution, needs a leader. institution needs a leader. It needs a speaker. It needs a leader who will inspire us, a leader who knows that our best days are yet ahead, a leader committed to

Starting point is 00:27:57 our communities and our Constitution and our country. And I'm here to tell you that leader is Hakeem Jeffries of the great state of New York. We're going to go to a break. Reese, I want you to finish your point. We come back from the break. That was the Congressman, of course, from Colorado going into his second term. All right, folks, we'll be back in a moment right here on Rolling Mark Unfiltered on the

Starting point is 00:28:20 Black Star Network. Hatred on the streets, a horrific scene, a white nationalist rally that descended into deadly violence. On that soil, you will not regret that. White people are losing their damn lives. There's an angry pro-Trump mob storm to the U.S. Capitol. We're about to see the rise of what I call white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial.

Starting point is 00:29:03 This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson at Emory University calls white rage as a backlash. This is the wrath of the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys. America, there's going to be more of this. This country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and its attitudes because of the fear of white people. The fear that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're taking our women. This is white fear. Next, on The Black Table, with me, Greg Carr. The Supreme Court is back in session.

Starting point is 00:29:56 God help us all. It is no exaggeration to say that this current session could completely reshape this country and redirect our future for generations to come. And not in a good way. We invite Dr. Valithia Watkins and Professor Angela Porter, our legal round table, back to the show to put it all in perspective.

Starting point is 00:30:15 That's on the next Black Table. Please don't miss it, right here on the Black Star Network. I'm Bill Duke. This is De'Alla Riddle, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. Star Network. All right, folks, welcome back. Reese, you were speaking before we went to the floor of the House. Go ahead with your comments about this fiasco, this circus we keep seeing about Republicans. Yeah, I was just, to your question, I was just saying that as far as the CBC is concerned, their priorities have passed consistently in the House. And so I don't think that this is so much a tactic that can be duplicated because the House has no jurisdiction over the Senate. And in the Senate, the magic number is 10,

Starting point is 00:31:21 to, or I should say, pulling over 10 Republicans and two basically Republicans onto their side, and they just don't have the numbers in the Senate. So this really, the real story here is just that Republicans are a bunch of miscreants who are unfit to govern and who are unserious. I mean, Donald J. Trump being nominated by, or being voted for by Matt Gates is ridiculous. The Black guy, Brian Donald, is dropping like flies in terms of his supporters. And now Kevin Hearn, who's completely unremarkable and for no discernible reason whatsoever, other than him being a white guy named Kevin, not McCarthy, is picking up support away from their token Black guys.

Starting point is 00:32:00 So this is really just chaotic theater and ridiculousness from Republicans. But this is exactly what we could have told y'all was going to happen. And look, I mean, you know, what we're seeing here, Erica, this is a precursor to what is going to happen. No matter who they choose as speaker, you're going to see the same hard right Freedom Caucus pro-insurrectionist Republicans do the exact same thing. I mean, again, remember, John Boehner from Ohio was a hardcore conservative. They drove him into retirement. And straight to weed when he's making a whole lot of money and smoking real good. So let's be very clear about this. We have seen this playbook before.

Starting point is 00:32:52 Most recent talking and thinking about Barack Obama. And so, of course, we know that Mitch McConnell's goal was to make him a one term president. But we saw out of that whole revolution, so to speak, of the Republican Party or their coming out party, so to speak, we then saw the Tea Party rise up, arguing for limited government. What they were really doing is setting the stage, and the stage has been prepared over the course of history. Let's be clear. We plainly understand that. But when we're talking about modern times, making sure that people have a clear understanding of who they believe should be running this country. And it has always been about global white supremacy. That is something we've talked

Starting point is 00:33:37 about this show in length. And really just to bring it even up further up to speed, it would behoove any of us to say that in the past few months, we have not had two people on this show write books about this very same thing. Three books for people to write ringing the alarm bell about how dangerous Republicans are and that their attraction, their desire for raw, naked power and for everyone to be on bended knee as it relates to their governing style. They have done that over and over. They obliterated, made sure that the census was obliterated back in 2010. They made sure that they took over overwhelming state houses in 2010. And so here we are seeing that

Starting point is 00:34:18 the Supreme Court has now been made ultra conservative. We see that they brought someone in that they said, their campaign said that their whole goal was to deconstruct the administrative state. So here we are with chaos agents, terrorists, if you will, doing what they do best. What I would say to people that this is really, really the last stop for the democracy bus. And I know we've said this over and over again, but that's because the alarm bells have been going off for the democracy bus. And I know we've said this over and over again, but that's because the alarm bells have been going off for quite some time. I would say for people to make sure you put a notification, an alarm, something on your calendar to be checking your registration, your voter registration every month, because these same chaos agents are the ones that don't want you

Starting point is 00:35:00 voting. They don't want your vote to matter. They don't want for you to receive relief as it relates to economic relief. They don't want you to be vaccinated. They are chaos agents. And so to me, this is really a call to anyone's senses as we see the chaos continue to go on to make sure that you are doing everything within your power, because these people have already said, even before they took power, that we are going to bring chaos in the form of making sure we want to bring up Hunter Biden again. They want to do political theater. They're not interested in your well-being. And I hope that this is the last bell that needs to be rung for people to understand that the power is in their hands to make sure

Starting point is 00:35:51 that they're engaged in their own local communities and making sure that they do have a voice when it comes to 2024. Greg, I remember when I was on CNN and this was when the Tea Party rose up. And I remember a hardcore conservative, Eric Erickson, was applauding the Tea Party, saying, we hope those people go to Washington, and then they don't let anything get done. And I remember then Bill Bennett, who's also hardcore conservative, he literally was like, that's stupid. He said, he said, basically he said, you're an idiot

Starting point is 00:36:33 because you want to win to actually get stuff done. He's like, if you're going to go there and say no to everything, he said, what the hell is that? What's the point of having the power? The fact of the matter is, when you talk about the Freedom Caucus, these folks, they want to shut everything down. See, everybody keeps talking, just solely talking about how they don't like Kevin McCarthy. But I want you to listen to actually what they're saying. It's going to fly live to the floor,

Starting point is 00:37:02 because this is the nomination of another, someone other than McCarthy. I want you to listen. Of our education system, K-12, college campuses, indoctrination of our kids. We're in crisis with the weakening of our military with these NDAA bills. We're in crisis with trampling on our most basic and essential freedoms over the last two years in ways we couldn't have imagined pre-2020. Whether we can assemble, whether we can worship, whether we can earn a living, whether we can travel, what we have to put on our face, whether or not, what we have to take into our body, whether or not we have to disclose what we've taken in, trampled in ways we couldn't have

Starting point is 00:37:38 imagined just a few years ago. The greatest reflection of where the people in the country are is the House of Representatives. And the people spoke back on November 8 and gave the majority by some three or four million votes to the Republican Party. It's not the White House, it's not the Senate, it's the people's house that reflects where the American people are, and they've trusted us on this side of the aisle with the leadership of this house. So Greg, people pay attention.

Starting point is 00:38:14 First of all, these folks, they hated the omnibus bill. These are the people, they hate earmarks. Obviously, you hear they cannot stand the COVID vaccine. I keep telling folk, don't just call them crazy. Pay attention because they got elected. There are people who voted for them, for Boebert, for Green, and others. They sent the crazies there. These people are a danger, but you better listen to them because they are holding power in their hands by holding up the entire house. It's true,

Starting point is 00:38:50 Roland, but like any fever, it reaches a pitch and then it breaks. This actually is very interesting. This could be very encouraging. I encourage the white nationalist party to take a jackhammer to itself. And you're absolutely right. They hate

Starting point is 00:39:04 earmarks until they can claim credit for them. Shout out to at least encourage the white nationalist party to take a jackhammer to itself. And you're absolutely right. They hate earmarks until they can claim credit for them. Shout out to Elise Stefancic, a real toady, not a true believer, like that veteran swimsuit model and Turning Point USA macalite, Anna Pauline Luna, who is the last person to nominate Byron Douglas. But Elise Stefancic loves the earmarks, and they all do when they come to their districts. But what we're hearing from Bob Good there is very consistent. As you said, they are against everything.

Starting point is 00:39:34 And as you say, when you evoke Bennett from a generation ago, when you evoke some of those GOP lawmakers sitting there in the chamber today who do have a policy agenda, then you're seeing the internal debate in the white nationalist party. The hard core of it has been driven by Trumpism. But Trumpism is a symptom of a much larger malaise, as Erica just laid out and as you've been talking about, and Racy as well. This is a fundamental battle over the nature of the polity that we call the United States of America. They have never wanted anybody to rule it other than them, and if they can't rule it,

Starting point is 00:40:10 they want it destroyed and dissolved. This is very clear. Tomorrow will be the second anniversary of when their friends, with the collusion of some of the very people in that chamber, stormed the United States Capitol and attempted to coup d'etat. They wouldn't even vote to impeach the president of the United States who helped foment the coup or to prosecute or even award medals to the officers who defended their lives. This is a battle which ultimately may accrue to all of our benefit.

Starting point is 00:40:40 Now, I'll end with this. Hakeem Jeffries has been playing this pitch perfect, sitting there watching him basically run for Speaker of the House in 2024, if not 2022, and maybe even President of the United States in 2028. What you see on the Democratic side, politics notwithstanding, is this mosaic of America that is also linked to policy. Right. About 15 seconds. Actually, I just want to do this Right. About 15 seconds. Okay. Actually, I just want to do this here. Actually, just hold on.

Starting point is 00:41:07 I'm going to go to the break, then we'll come back. We'll do one more segment on this because I need the folks watching to understand what is actually happening here. Because trust me, it is going to have an impact on us because it is about policy. And these folks,

Starting point is 00:41:23 they're in power on the state level. So what you're seeing is not an abnormality. You're not seeing an aberration. You're actually seeing the modern-day Republican Party. You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Download the Black Star Network app, Apple phone, Android phone, Apple TV, Android TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV, Xbox One, Samsung Smart TV. If you're watching us on YouTube, hit that like button. We'll be right back.

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Starting point is 00:44:03 You are watching Roland Martin, unfiltered. I mean, could it be any other way? Really, it's Rolling Martin. So, Greg, when I was writing the book White Fear, first of all, when I've been talking about this for more than a decade, I was literally trying to walk folks through to get them to understand where we're going with our politics. And what you're seeing here, you're seeing these Republicans wanting to eat one of their own. They don't care that Kevin McCarthy is a Republican.

Starting point is 00:44:48 They believe he's sold out to lobbyists and others. You've literally seen that if you watch Fox News and you watch these conservative outlets. And so they know exactly what they are doing. There were some, I remember yesterday we were talking and I can't remember which one of my panelists said, hey, the Republicans want this to go into prime time so the constituents of these people could see what they're doing and then put pressure on them. No, that's exactly what they want. I mean, the reason OANN exists and the Newsmax, because they're farther right than Fox News. And so these folks, they have a very clear agenda, and it is one that is vertical. It is horizontal. It's the Fairless

Starting point is 00:45:32 Society. You look at who the billionaire who just gave, what, $1.5 billion to the Republican, the Leo guy, whose sole job is to put Republicans, conservatives, hardcore conservatives on the Supreme Court. You look at how they are funding the Supreme Court society as their way to infiltrate and get to those justices. When you look at the billions of dollars in the think tanks and how they're funding conservative media, I mean, they are working a plan because they see what is coming. They want to make sure the closer we get to 2043 and you got black folks and you got Latinos and

Starting point is 00:46:14 Asian Native Americans, they want to be like, no, no, no, no, no. Y'all can have all the numbers, but we're going to be like South Africa. We still going to control the economic power and we still going to be running the country. That's what we're watching. Absolutely. There's so many moving parts. I mean, I'll go back to 1856 again just for a second to underscore the point you're making. The coalition that eventually elected a speaker after 133 ballots, on 103 to 214 plurality, they suspended their regular rules, was a combination of free-soilers who were against slavery, elements of the Know Nothing Party in the North that embraced anti-slavery, because many of the Know Nothings who were staunch Catholics,

Starting point is 00:47:00 anti-immigrants, were OK with slavery, and a patchwork of other people who coalesced, some of them ending up by the end of the decade, a little bit, actually that year, in something called the Republican Party. It was a coalition that looks a lot closer to European-style democracies, where I don't agree with you on anything except this, so I'm going to come with you and we're going to at least move the wheels of government. Fast forward to yesterday and the day before. We see Paul Gosser, who made a video killing AOC, sitting with her in the chamber.

Starting point is 00:47:34 Now, allegedly the conversation was around a rumor that had been floated that AOC and some others had said that, well, there are some things we agree on and perhaps we can do some coalition. She was telling him, oh, that's not the case. To your point, Recy, the Democrat Party is unified. Now, the squad is not the white nationalists. Why? Because, hell, I agree with a lot of Rashida Tlaib.

Starting point is 00:47:56 You know, and by the way, there is no Congress, because Summer Lee, one of my former students, hasn't even been sworn in yet, and nobody has. The head of that chamber is Sister Johnson. But in the meantime, these folks who realize they want to end homelessness, they want to get benefits, they want sisters to have their rights preserved, the LBGTQ, they are not so dead set in their agenda that they're not going to make policy common cause with a party that said, if we can't get all of that now, we're going to at least hold together to move the ball forward.

Starting point is 00:48:25 Now, that's not the same as the other party. The other party is about destroying the enterprise. So AOC shut that down real quick. On the other side, you got George Santos, if that is his name, increasingly comfortable. At the beginning of this thing earlier in the week, he's sitting there by himself, and there's a kid sitting next to him who looked like he was stinking too, wouldn't even talk to the guy. Now he's walking around, patting backs, talking.

Starting point is 00:48:51 Why? Because slime like Santos can be embraced in a party where that's the point, to your point. And so I guess what I'm trying to say is to underscore exactly what you said. What we're dealing with at this moment looks messy, looks tragic, looks problematic, but was inevitable and will ultimately, if we can just hold together, and I mean people who believe in our common humanity, might end up with the fever breaking in this country, because what the Republican Party is doing right now is what they have been setting

Starting point is 00:49:25 up to do for quite some time. The grandfather of this, of course, Newt Gingrich, sitting back, did I do that? Yeah, you did that. Because Gingrich wants to govern. Bennett wanted to govern. McCarthy and them want to govern. But in order to do it, they sold their soul to white nationalists whose whole lives are based on white supremacy, white Christian nationalism. And they are saying to themselves, we don't even want a country if we can't run it. Well, guess what? The bill has come due. Let this thing fall. Do you understand? This is what we've been talking about, as Erica said, all along. The thing here, Recy, again, for the folks who are watching, when I interviewed Congressman Horsford, and folks, pull it back up, y'all.

Starting point is 00:50:14 I think he said, if we win 7,000 votes, we have the majority. He said 7,000 votes. And we got folk who, you got these crazy folk out here, I ain't even going to waste my breath naming them, who run around and talk about, you know, don't vote, we ain't getting this, we ain't getting that. And I always say, well, the stuff that y'all say y'all want, you damn sure can't get if you don't vote. And then who the hell is going to give it to you?

Starting point is 00:50:48 And so I would hope while people are watching this dysfunction, they're asking themselves, damn, what if these seats had flipped? What if a Democrat had actually opposed John James in that Michigan seat and actually won that? What if folks actually went harder against gerrymandering? You've got the Wisconsin State Supreme Court coming up. Democrats have an opportunity to flip the Wisconsin State Supreme Court. The U.S. Supreme Court has already ruled, now granted, they could always come back, that they don't have any control over political gerrymandering. If you get Democrats controlling the state Supreme Court in Wisconsin, you can now bring

Starting point is 00:51:32 that case back up and literally outlaw political gerrymandering in Wisconsin. That could flip that state and you can pick up anywhere two or three seats. The pressure is being put on the governor of New York right now not to appoint a conservative to the New York Supreme Court after their previous ruling. Then, of course, you got the governor of Pennsylvania. Again, what did he just do after he had the whole fight there? He disappoint a Republican as secretary of state because he defended the state against voter fraud charges. You ain't never seen no Republican nominate no Democrat out of this bipartisanship.

Starting point is 00:52:11 At some point, Democrats are going to learn how to play for keeps and stop trying to make other folk happy. Yeah, I mean, look, tribalism is alive and well in the Republican Party. And so Democrats, what are you trying to prove with this whole called faux bipartisanship? You cannot negotiate with terrorists. And they are the Republicans are diametrically opposed to what Democrats want. Like even this whole notion that, well, Democrats should compromise to get some sort of coalition government. There's no coalition government with 10 Democrats crossing over to help the Republicans who can't even get their shit together. What we're going to have is Republicans Republican-ing, okay? This is their intention. Steve Bannon has laid it

Starting point is 00:52:56 out. Trump tried to execute this when he was president, deconstructing the federal administrative state. So there's no negotiating with it. Democrats need to learn how to stand in their power, like they're doing to their credit, by staying united behind Hakeem Jeffries. They are for once, I should say, holding it completely together and showing in a show of force. But the reality is that Republicans play for keeps every time. What is happening right here is intentional chaos by the Republicans. And it does have an impact

Starting point is 00:53:31 on people. Like, for instance, if you are one of those people who are procrastinating, you didn't get your passport, and you got three days to get your passport, your congressman ain't going to be able to help you with this situation, okay? Because the congresspeople are not in a position to help their constituents with casework. So this does have actual real consequences for people.

Starting point is 00:53:48 But the last thing I'll say is, I don't know if you noticed this yet, Roland, but the Black guy done fell out of the nomination. Byron Donald. They said, okay, we started off the day with John James invoking slavery, every other word. We done brought up Jim Crow

Starting point is 00:54:04 slavery, segregation, to talk about how brought up Jim Crow, slavery, segregation to talk about how great for the blacks Kevin McCarthy is. And then we got somebody else to pull out the black dude who had the weed charge expunged, who had the bribery charge expunged to be their little token.

Starting point is 00:54:19 And they stuck with him for a little bit of time. But now, Byron Donalds is gone with the wind well what you got to remember there are now five black republicans in the house uh and so trust me i think by tomorrow we gonna see all of them speak just as expected hold tight one second hold on one second i gotta go to a break uh we come back black and missing we'll give you an update on the status of the Buffalo Bills player. We had cardiac arrest on Monday. Also, J.J. Smith, the best-selling author of Green Smoothie Queen, will join us talking about her flat belly challenge.

Starting point is 00:54:56 And so I know, Reesey, I saw your Instagram pictures and Twitter pictures over the holidays. So you were having, like, way too much fun. Every time I saw your ass, you had a champagne glass in your hand. And so JJ got some good stuff for you and Erica and in their, in their belly challenges. So we'll be talking with her as well on the show.

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Starting point is 00:58:12 What's up? I'm Lance Gross, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. Folks, last year in the United States, police killed more people than they have at any other time in American history. Mapping police violence, a 501c3 organization, this is the work that they actually do, showing what is taking place. We're two years, go ahead and show the map, please. We're two years after the death of George Floyd and you thought all the conversation about police violence and all the discussion about what accountability would change things but the reality is police killed American citizens at an unprecedented rate of 3.2 deaths

Starting point is 00:59:19 daily. There were just 12 days in 2022 when police did not kill someone. Now, 1,176 people in every state, including local and state police, county sheriff's deputies and federal agents, actually killed folks. Black men accounted for the highest number of deaths in police encounters. To give us an understanding of what's going on here, Samuel Sengagwe, the founder of Mapping Police Violence. Samuel, glad to have you back on the show. All of these people, all of these folks went after Democrats talking about defund the police and how they were wrong. And then Democrats responded, oh my God, the whole scary thing about violence, the attacks against

Starting point is 01:00:05 Cash Bell in Harris County and New York and Chicago and other places, and people were demanding accountability. And what are we now seeing? We're seeing the massive number of people killed by cops. So what the hell happened to the accountability? So what we're seeing is a backlash to what had been a historic conversation and effort to rein in the power of the police to commit violence on our streets and against, in particular, our people. So, I mean, nationwide, as you said, we've tracked 1,176 deaths caused by the police, a record. And moreover, what we've seen is an increase in the areas that are more likely to see a political backlash. So among county sheriffs in particular, county sheriffs accounted for 35 percent of those deaths last year. They were involved in 35%. That's more than 400 killings by county sheriffs, a record over the past decade at least.

Starting point is 01:01:11 In more conservative areas, more rural areas, we're seeing an increase in killings by the police. So this looks like a backlash. a political backlash in more conservative parts of the country that instead of responding to calls for accountability with action in that direction, what they're doing instead is reacting by doubling down on the types of carceral politics and policies that got us into this mess to begin with. So that's what we see going on in some of the more rural areas. But what we also see is some of that energy is making it to the cities as well. We see with Eric Adams in New York. We see with the backlash and the recall of D.A. Chesa Budin in San Francisco.

Starting point is 01:01:55 We see in many of the big cities that had been making progress over the past couple of years in actually reducing arrests, reducing police shootings. Now we're seeing some of that progress getting reversed as more conservative politics are entering sort of the dominant conversation, this fear-mongering around crime, these calls for more police. It's resulting in higher rates of police violence in cities and especially in more rural and conservative areas. So here's one particular graph that you pulled up, please, where you say some cities report the names of officers who kill other cities hide this. That's the other thing.

Starting point is 01:02:35 You know, here you are, you're trying to have accountability, and a lot of times you don't even know who the heck did it. Exactly, and this is systemic, right? Part of this is a choice on the part of each law enforcement agency disclosing certain information. Some agencies have policies that require them to release the names of the officers, usually within 48 or 72 hours of a police shooting. But in other places, you have entire state laws that prohibit any information about the officers from being made public. So we don't see the names of the officers.

Starting point is 01:03:07 We can't track patterns of which officers have more use-of-force incidents, even deadly force incidents on their record. So this is deeply systemic in policy at the state level. We even had the former cop who was convicted of raping the black women in Oklahoma where they would not reveal what prison he went to. Here was somebody who was convicted of a crime

Starting point is 01:03:29 and they were still protecting him. Exactly, and that's what we see with the criminal justice system in general. So throughout this period, we've been tracking a decade of killings by the police. More than 11,000 people have been killed by police in that time period. And in only 2% of cases, an officer was charged with a crime. And in fewer than 1% of cases, an officer was convicted of a crime.

Starting point is 01:03:54 And then when they get convicted, they get a lesser sentence than a civilian convicted of the exact same crime. So the system is deeply, deeply rooted in a desire to protect law enforcement at the expense of the public and especially black and brown communities that bear the brunt of police violence every single year as we've tracked. Now, when you say that black men account for the highest number, so you have 1,176, correct? Yes. So of that number, how many were African-American? So about 24% of those killed by police in 2022 were black, despite black people being 13% of the U.S. population. So when you break the numbers down by the rate per person, so your risk as an individual

Starting point is 01:04:38 of being killed by the police, for a black person in 2022, you were more than three times as likely to be killed by police as a white person was last year. So when people say, oh, it's wrong that more black people are killed by cops than whites. I mean, the fact is that this is happening in almost every city of the country. These disparities are consistent year over year. They're systemic. In 48 of the 50 largest cities, there are higher rates of police violence against Black people than white people. So, I mean, we're seeing this in every state, in almost every state, in almost every city. So this is a nationwide issue. It's not going to be solved by investigating one or

Starting point is 01:05:23 two or three departments or passing a local ordinance in one or two city councils. This has to be a nationwide effort to address this at every level, local, state, and federal. Questions for our panel. Erica, you first. Yeah, thank you, Roland, and thank you, Mr. Seng. Y'all, we've been following you on Twitter for years and really appreciate your work and all of your efforts. One of the things that I do want to ask you is around remedies. So because you are an activist, because this is the lane that you absolutely dominate, have you seen any efforts that have worked on the ground in terms of helping people feeling like there is some remedy they can do around this police violence that's pervasive across the country? So, yes, there are programs that are being piloted and effective alternative responses to some of the types

Starting point is 01:06:25 of situations that we see year after year continuously resulting in 100 or more killings by the police. So those are situations like traffic stops, routine traffic violations, situations like mental health calls or welfare check calls, situations like low-level nonviolent offenses in which the police are oftentimes enforcing what they deem to be crimes, but what really are crimes of poverty, what are people who need help,

Starting point is 01:06:56 people who don't have the resources and oftentimes don't have access to treatment for mental health or substance use or other issues. And so ultimately in some cities, we have seen over the past many years reductions in arrests for some of those low-level issues, reductions in arrests for things like disorderly conduct, liquor violations, drug possession, particularly marijuana possession, crimes related to sex work. So California recently just passed a set of laws that move in the direction of decriminalization for sex work as well as things like jaywalking, other low-level issues that the police routinely arrest people for. So those efforts are really important

Starting point is 01:07:39 and are promising because when we break down the numbers, the majority of cases in which people are killed by the police each year involve one of those types of situations. So a traffic violation stop, a low level offense, a routine disturbance, other situations like that, a mental health welfare check. So those are promising efforts. Denver, the STAR program is one example

Starting point is 01:08:01 where they've responded now to over 3,000 mental health calls with mental health clinicians instead of the police responding. They've been remarkably effective. They haven't had to call in the police for backup. They haven't used force against anybody, let alone, you know, deadly force. So that's one example. There are other examples of reducing enforcement for low-level traffic violations. Virginia passed a law to do that a few years ago. Now that Republicans have retaken control of the governorship and retaken control of the state, they're actually trying to repeal some of those laws that banned the police from stopping people

Starting point is 01:08:35 from having an air freshener hanging from your rearview mirror, other low level issues, expire tags, et cetera. So those are the types of policies and laws that can make a real difference in preventing the types of situations that result in these tragedies year after year after year at remarkable frequency. Sammy, hold tight one second. I got to go to a break. We'll have a Reesey and Greer's questions when we come back. Folks, you're watching the Blackstar Network. Download the Blackstar Network app, Apple phone, Android phone, Apple TV, Android TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV, Xbox One, Samsung Smart TV. Be sure to join our Brain to Funk fan club. Our goal is to get 20,000 of our fans contributing at least 50 bucks each over the course of the year.

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Starting point is 01:10:08 We've seen shouts. We're about to see the rise of what I call white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial. This is part of American history.

Starting point is 01:10:25 Every time that people of color have made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson at Emory University calls white rage as a backlash. This is the wrath of the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys. America, there's going to be more of this. There's all the Proud Boys, guys. This country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and its attitudes because

Starting point is 01:10:48 of the fear of white people. The fear that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're taking our women. This is white fear. on the next a balanced life with me dr jackie it's time to tie up those loose ends setting yourself up for balance success and even prosperity in the new year financial expert pamela sams joins our panel. She will give us a checklist of things that we need to do before the calendar turns. We develop our money mindset by the age of six. And so we have our sometimes six-year-old self

Starting point is 01:11:37 still operating in the background of our money scripts. That's next on A Balanced Life on Blackstar Network. You want me to do something crazy, of our money scripts. That's next on A Balanced Life on Blackstar Network. Folks, welcome back. We're talking with Samuel Sengawi, the founder of Mapping Police Violence. Last year was the deadliest year where police killed more Americans than any other year. Greg Carr, your question for Samuel. Thank you, Roland, and thank you, Brother Sengangwe, for this work. Even as you say, we can't wait to continue to compile these statistics. Just looking at the website and looking at mapping police violence, one of the things that your team notes is that you update this weekly. I guess my question is, kind of, well, I have two questions.

Starting point is 01:12:47 One is what kind of resources does it take to maintain this, and how can we assist you and help and strengthen that ability since you all are doing this weekly updating this data? And the other question has to do with the nature of these encounter types. It's fascinating to see how traffic stops can turn deadly so quickly. It's almost as if, and we talk about this a lot on this show, these police are out here hunting, hunting people. You disaggregate this data by encounter type. Could you talk a little bit about the types of encounters we have day to day with law enforcement? Thank you. Absolutely. So, to your last question around encounter types.

Starting point is 01:13:26 So since it's very important to understand the types of circumstances that lead to ultimately escalate to deadly force, right now we have data going back to 2017 through now 2022 coded by encounter type, and then we have further data going back to 2013 that we're working on coding as well. But so far, it's been remarkably consistent year over year that that the data doesn't comport with the narrative that you hear from the police, from conservative circles. And that narrative is one that that largely centers violent crime as the root of police violence, right? So you hear the police say, well, police are responding to violence or an increase in crime,

Starting point is 01:14:12 and so they're in dangerous situations, and that's why they're using deadly force. That narrative doesn't comport with what we actually see in the data. In the data, we see that violent crime accounts for every single year since 2017. We have seen that violent crime accounts for less than one in three of these police killings. And that's alleged violent crime. It's not — there's no conviction. The police, you know, were judge, jury and executioner in those cases as well. But, ultimately, it's only one in three cases. For the majority of cases in which people are ending up losing their lives. It looks like Samuel Signo has chosen to do this here, folks, while we wait to get him back.

Starting point is 01:14:58 Go to the chamber of the U.S. House. The 11th vote is being taken, folks, as we speak right now. And guess what? That boy still ain't got the votes. They embarrassed him again. We just missed the shot where Marjorie Taylor Greene just grabbed her coat and walked the hell out the chamber. Another member waved their hand by as well. You see right there, Hearn has now had seven votes. Trump has one. Others have gotten 11. The president is zero. And so again, Kevin McCarthy does not have the votes for the 12th time. And so now the question is, are they going to adjourn or are they going to embarrass him for 13th time? Samuel, we got you back. Go ahead and finish your comment.

Starting point is 01:15:51 So I was saying that year after year, the majority of cases. Well, there you go. A routine stop for a traffic violation, a domestic disturbance, a situation which no crime was alleged, or a mental health welfare check call or other low-level offense. So those are the encounter types and types of situations that we, if we could focus on creating alternatives to those nonviolent situations, we could save the majority of these lives year after year. And so that's got to be key to the solutions. It's got to be key to when we're talking about resource allocation between police and community-based alternatives. We have to center the data in understanding the impact that that can really have. Recy, your question. Samuel, I'm such a huge fan of your work. Thank you for all that you do. My question is around, I don't know, I'm sure you've, I shouldn't say I don't know, I'm sure you've heard about San Francisco and the debate they've been having over police robots being able to use deadly force.

Starting point is 01:16:54 Is that something that you have looked at? And all I know in 2016, the Dallas police used a bomb robot to blow up a shooter. Is that something that you see perhaps being as a solution, I guess, the robots, you know, having more of a police presence? Or do you think that, like, we should obviously be avoiding any kind of police presence, including robots? Yes. So, you know, as you mentioned, it has happened before that the police have used robots to kill people in 2016. It doesn't show up very often in our database. It's not happening very often across the country yet.

Starting point is 01:17:35 It is a danger. I think that what we should be doing is restraining the power of the police to use force in more and different ways with even more powerful equipment, military equipment, now autonomous AI that they're integrating into their predictive policing systems. Now they're starting to talk about using robots. So no, we shouldn't be moving in that direction. There's not a whole lot of research on robots using deadly force in a domestic policing context, although we should be mindful of the way in which, when we're thinking about

Starting point is 01:18:11 drones and how they're being used in warfare right now and how they have been used, I mean, they have been incredibly lethal. They have caused a lot of harm across the world. So I don't think we should bring that home domestically. And we should probably be not doing that abroad either. So the real question here is, Samuel, is that with these numbers, are we going to see policy changes? I mean, you know, what we've seen is an incredible beat back against activists, against reform-minded individuals. You have people who, you have these folks who are scaring voters by saying crime is on the increase, even though when

Starting point is 01:18:51 you look at a lot of the places crime is actually falling. I mean, this is the scare tactics used because people do not want to see police held accountable in this country. They are a protected class more than any other. So the good news is that now that we're in January, many states are starting their legislative sessions. The opportunity is now to get in touch with your state legislators and push them to adopt the kind of policies that can make a difference here, that can prevent the police from stopping people for these low-level traffic violations like they've done already in passing a law in Virginia that can create and fund alternative responses to mental health issues like they've done through the crises Act in California so there are some examples of promising practices and even laws now that we can point to we also need better data collection so

Starting point is 01:19:42 and this is something that you know might be able to get more bipartisan support in many states. But there are examples, for example, in New Jersey, where they publish use of force data. They collect data from 98 percent of the law enforcement agencies within the state. They publish individualized use of force data for every use of force incident, fatal or non-fatal within the state. They have information on the officers involved, et cetera. They do that at a state level. And there's no reason that that can't be the rule everywhere else. Well, again, what I'm hopeful is that we do see some action. And again, it just comes down to accountability. And unfortunately,

Starting point is 01:20:25 we have a society where politicians, they are so scared to death. These police unions, they use their money. They weaponize their unions to go against folks. Look what happened in Harris County, where they went after all of those judges who supported bill reform. They literally supported DAs, prosecutors who ran against those judges, and they barely beat them back. Four of those judges lost their positions because they did not want to see criminal justice reform. That's what we see in this country, and they definitely don't want to see cops held accountable. Absolutely. At the same time, there is a real opportunity here to change who is representing us in some of these offices. I talked about sheriff's departments accounting for more

Starting point is 01:21:15 and more of these killings each year. Those are elected positions. You can change who is the sheriff. We can figure out what a slate of candidates should look like that should replace the folks who are in these roles that are doubling down on the carceral policies that are continuing to ratchet these numbers up year after year after year. All right, Samuel, we appreciate it, man. Thank you so very much for your great work. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:21:37 All right, folks, we come back. An update on the Buffalo Beers player who suffered cardiac arrest in a Monday night football game. We'll also, the sad story of a recently elected state representative in Connecticut sworn in yesterday, killed in a car crash today. We'll give you those details and other headlines. You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered right here on the Blackstar Network. Download the Blackstar Network app, Apple phone, Android phone, Apple TV, Android TV,

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Starting point is 01:23:16 PayPal is RMartin Unfiltered. Venmo is RM Unfiltered. Zelle is Roland at RolandSMartin.com. I love directing. It's a different kind of piece. I do believe that the 30 years I was acting was to prepare me for what I'm supposed to be doing and that what I'm really good at.

Starting point is 01:23:39 But when you were acting, were you even thinking about directing? Nope. So what the hell happened? If you had asked me 15 years ago, I probably would have said, no, I don't know. I was doing Ava's, Ava DuVernay's first film, I Will Follow. And during that process, I think, because it was her first film, maybe I-

Starting point is 01:23:57 Did she self-taught? Absolutely. I probably gave too many suggestions. And at some point, Ava said to me, I think you're a director and you don't know it. gave too many suggestions. And at some point, Ava said to me, I think you're a director and you don't know it. Hello, I'm Bishop T.D.J. Hi, how's it doing? It's your favorite funny girl, Amanda Seales. Hi, I'm Bishop T.D.J. Hi, how y'all doing? It's your favorite funny girl, Amanda Seals.

Starting point is 01:24:30 Hi, I'm Anthony Brown from Anthony Brown and Group Therapy. What up? Lana Well, and you are watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. សូវបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបា� In today's Black and Missing, of course, our goal is to help these folks who otherwise stories are ignored. Too often, African-Americans, you don't see these stories on mainstream media, but when you've got a missing white woman, it's all over the news. Today's one is Nia Sandra Rash, last seen in Pittsburgh at a Pittsburgh bus stop on December 28th. The 25-year-old is 5 feet 10 inches tall, weighs 120 pounds with black hair and brown eyes. She was wearing a black coat with fur on the hood, gray sweatpants, and up light brown Uggs. Nia has epilepsy and she needs medication.

Starting point is 01:25:59 Anyone with information about Nia Sandra Rash is urged to call the Penn Hill, Pennsylvania Police Department at 412-342-1167, 412-342-1167. Folks, some absolutely tragic news out of Connecticut. Yesterday, Quentin Q. Williams was sworn in as a state representative in Connecticut. Today, he was killed in a wrong-way crash. Connecticut State Representative Quentin Williams, again, happened less than 24 hours after he was sworn in for his third term in office. Officials report that the accident happened when a car traveling in the wrong direction crashed into Williams head-on. The other vehicle's driver also died and was identified as 27-year-old Kameed Mustafa. Williams was the African-American representing the city of Middleton in Connecticut and served as city treasurer in 2011 and 2015.

Starting point is 01:26:51 He was also on the Planning and Zoning Commission in 2007, and in 2009 he was the commission's chair. Williams, just 39 years old. Folks, some good news out of Cincinnati. We had the Buffalo Bills player player suffered cardiac arrest on Monday. He is awake. Damar Hamlin, his brain function appears to be in good condition. Doctors also say he can write messages to communicate.

Starting point is 01:27:18 The first thing he wrote was that the Bills win the game, and they replied, the physicians caring for him, first of all, they replied, you won the game of life. That's what they said. This is the Buffalo Bills statement. Per the physicians caring for Damar Hamlin at the University of Cincinnati Medical Center, Damar has shown remarkable improvement over the past 24 hours. While still critically ill, he has demonstrated that he appears to be neurologically intact. His lungs continue to heal and he is making steady progress.

Starting point is 01:27:51 We are grateful for the love and support that we have received. Now, folks, the NFL also announced that Daymar is going to receive, no matter what happens to him, he is going to receive lifetime help. This I'm going to read for you what was posted on social media. Give me a second. We'll pull this tweet up right now, folks, so you can see. And so NFL EVP Troy Vincent says that, this is the tweet right here, they hope that Daymar Hamlin will make a full recovery,

Starting point is 01:28:27 but made clear he will be provided resources, benefits necessary to make sure he had what is needed for complete life, despite Hamlin not being a vested NFL veteran. Annie Apple, who is the mother of Eli Apple, a cornerback for the Cincinnati Bengals, who was actually at the game on Monday, this is what she tweeted. This is awesome news.

Starting point is 01:28:56 Can this be made available for all NFL players and former players? God has done her part. The NFL now needs to do its part in caring for the health and safety of all its players. You know, that's one of the things right there, Eric, when we talk about this $15 billion a year industry, the catastrophic injuries of the players often received on the football field. And the bottom line here, the NFL, okay, so obviously a lot of attention here. Very rare a player suffering cardiac arrest on the field. But if you're saying let's support him, as Andy's saying, what about the other players?

Starting point is 01:29:36 Yeah, Rowan. The book, William Rose, $40 million slave. I remember reading it. William Roten. Yeah. Yeah. I remember this right here back behind me. But I remember reading it in the early 2000s and really properly for about 10 years.

Starting point is 01:29:56 Are you trying to have your grid card bookshelf reference? Erica got her own book game, and it's strong. Go ahead, Erica. But in reading that book and just really walking what athleticism and really taking the black body and to make it into something like a beast, or now as we come in here more commonly, gladiator really for profit. But I've been sent a lot of things around this because, you know, one of the first things that some people thought was okay, it was a concussion,

Starting point is 01:30:31 but to understand it was cardiac arrest and understanding that brain functionality really does, it is the central processing system for everything. I'm bringing all that forward to talk about, you know, when we talk about being vested in the NFL, being vested in the NFL takes at least over three years for them to be vested. But understanding that these folks that play this game have really been playing this game. I know my son started when he was four. They've been playing for an exceptionally long time. So a lot of what we hear about, but now commonly what we're now reading about because of the CTE piece, what their bodies and their brains endure over time after receiving multiple hits and injuries. All of this to say, when you're looking at the disability

Starting point is 01:31:19 policy, not only in the NFL, but in this country. And I've written and talked about this. Having some type of disability, not being able to fully function in this world is laborious as hell. And so when you're hearing about players that, you know, there was a CTE settlement, but 60 percent of the players have not began to receive their payment, that's a problem. So what happened with DeMar, for those of us that were watching the game live when that did happen, it really was traumatizing. It's a lot of shock that went into that. But that is a moment that we honestly all know

Starting point is 01:31:55 that can happen because of the level of sport that football is. All of that to say, this was an excellent opportunity. And we're thanking God that DeMar has the progress and improvement that he's made and that people will continue to root and care for him in a way that he can have as much success and as progress as possible, but also leaning back and thinking about what it means to actually be in this space where a person is disabled and not 100% in the labor that's involved to not only get care, to have the advocacy, but then to also help them to have whatever 100% wellness looks like for them. So definitely all of the kind of like diamond perspectives that are being brought up, but

Starting point is 01:32:37 especially taken to task, the billions of dollars that they can fill and those 30 plus owners make, that is also time to be very much so concerned about the people that bring that, those 30-plus owners make, that it's also time to be very much so concerned about the people that bring those profits through their labor and their body. I always get a kick out of certain folks when they discuss these stories, especially on Fox News. And last night, Laura Ingram, let's just say she got her ass handed to her by Steve Allman, the author of Against Football, who just threw in some nice shade while talking with her. Roll the tape.

Starting point is 01:33:10 Well, I know you're focused on the players. I'm focused on the fans. And what I essentially believe is not that any government ban is going to make football safer and certainly not some mythic woke mob that you mentioned to try to scare your viewers. I think it's going to happen. I'm not trying to scare the viewers. Football is not about politics. It's not about politics. You're making it about politics.

Starting point is 01:33:30 Oh, I think that's your entire economic model. What? Your entire economic model is to scare your viewers. That's your whole gig. I mean, Steve, you really want football to be banned. Yeah, you want football to be banned. No, I don't. This is what you do.

Starting point is 01:33:44 You play this game. Oh, come on. You want football essentially changed into I don't know what. Like, I don't know. You have a sensor in the helmet, I guess.

Starting point is 01:33:53 Okay. Propose one. You know. Well, is that technology troubling to you? No, not in the slightest. If you're concerned about the players,

Starting point is 01:34:01 why wouldn't you want them to play in a way that was safer? You're not concerned about the players. Things the NFL could do tomorrow, play in a way that was safer? You're not concerned about the players. Things the NFL could do tomorrow, but they're not going to do it until there's an economic incentive. The reason they settled that lawsuit is because they had a PR problem. It's like at Fox News when you have, you know, hosts who are allegedly sexually harassing people. Fox News throws money at that to make that PR problem go away. That's what happens

Starting point is 01:34:24 with big corporations or powerful people. Well, nobody's done more. I mean, you know that, Laura, right? You know that. That's a cute little move, but I'm trying to get you to answer a question. The reason that people change their behavior is because there's an economic incentive. A couple years ago when you taunted the survivor of Parkland's mass shooting, you apologized only because advertisers withdrew from your show. Nice try, buddy. I appreciate it. This is what they always do.

Starting point is 01:34:52 Ah, they hate getting on, Recy. Ooh, champ. How did he sneak by the producers? I want to know that. Yes, Laura, I like that he called her out, but the bottom line is I think he's right in terms of it's all about economics, whether it's Fox News, OAN, the Republican. Ms. Corrine's currently causing chaos on the House floor.

Starting point is 01:35:16 And the NFL is horror and the level of violence that we have to see in order for us to collectively say, enough is enough. And I think with DeMar, it was so horrific that you can't help but galvanize behind them. But the reality is that it shouldn't take that level of violence. And I'm not saying violence in terms of the hit.

Starting point is 01:35:42 I'm saying in terms of what's happening to his body is violent. It should not take that level for people to say the NFL needs to do right by all of its players. Investing should not even be a thing when it comes to the health and safety of their players. Yeah, but they love that money. That's what it boils down to. Hold on one second. I got to go to break.

Starting point is 01:36:00 We come back more on Roller Mountain Unfiltered. We'll chat with J.J. Smith, the green smoothie queen. We're focusing on a new you in 2023. And so we'll talk to her about her belly challenge. Really? Really? The belly challenge? Really, J.J.? Really? All right, y'all. We'll talk about that next right here on Roller Martin Unfiltered on the U.S. Capitol. We're about to see the rise of what I call white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial. This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson at Emory University calls white rage as a backlash.

Starting point is 01:37:11 This is the rise of the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys. America, there's going to be more of this. There's all the Proud Boys, guys. This country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and its attitudes because of the fear of white people. The fear that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're taking our women. This is white fear. Next, on The Black Table, with me, Greg Carr. The Supreme Court is back in session. God help us all.

Starting point is 01:37:55 It is no exaggeration to say that this current session could completely reshape this country and redirect our future for generations to come. And not in a good way. We invite Dr. Valetia Watkins and Professor Angela Porter, our legal roundtable, back to the show to put it all in perspective. That's on the next Black Table. Please don't miss it right here on the Black Star Network. Hi, I'm Anthony Brown from Anthony Brown and Group Therapy. Hi, I'm B.B. Winans. Hey, I'm Donnie Simpson. What's up? I'm Lance Gross, and you're watching Roland Mart Unfiltered. Just what's happening on Capitol Hill.

Starting point is 01:39:05 Yeah, that boy done lost again. That's right, 12th time. As you see, Kevin McCarthy got 200 votes. Hakeem Jeffers got 212. Hearn, seven. Donald Trump got one. Others got 12. And then President is one.

Starting point is 01:39:19 So at the end of the day, what you see, there are 21 Republicans who are opposed to Kevin McCarthy, and the loser loses again. I bet somewhere Carrie Lake's saying, damn, he need to just quit. I bet even she's saying that somewhere. Yeah, I know I'm being petty as hell. And so as you see, Democrats are just smiling and laughing because the American public, you see right there, Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee. That's Congresswoman Joyce Beatty, Congresswoman Cori Bush. I mean, so, you know, they're just like, look, these folk ain't got no sense at all. That's Congresswoman Robin Kelly in the blue with her back to us.

Starting point is 01:40:01 And so Congressman Joe Neguse right there as well. So it is you're seeing what is happening, y'all, about these dysfunctional Republicans. Steve Scalise does not look happy at all. But we'll see what's next. Is Kevin going to drop out? Is he going to get the message? And so what are they doing?

Starting point is 01:40:20 Are they adjourning? Or are they going to, so we don't know if they're adjourning yet or if they're going to keep them again for, nope, when staff starts packing up, that's it. So they are adjourning for the night. And so he's probably going to go back and figure out what else, what more ass he can kiss to try to give up concessions in order to become Speaker of the House.

Starting point is 01:40:44 And he's going to kiss more chapped ass. And what's going to happen is he's going to lose again. So at one point, when you negotiate with terrorists, those same terrorists are going to sit here and hold out as long as they can. Yes, it is beyond laughable watching these idiots. All right, y'all. So when I was in Jamaica going through, I call it shredding, shedding, and cleansing process,

Starting point is 01:41:08 and I was walking along the beach. I said, you know what? I want us to focus on this new you in 2023. But I didn't want to do it the usual way where typically they'll have all the fitness people. So I said, I want to have fitness folks. I want to have dieticians. I want to have different individuals.

Starting point is 01:41:22 And so this week we had, had of course Jim Jones on the show We had of course You know, we had him talking about kicking this thing off on Tuesday Terry Starks was here that doctor was here last night Talking about in terms of how we do our diet and so tonight had to hit my homegirl JJ Smith I have not so I think the last time I talked to JJ wasJ. was at my TV One show. And of course, she used to be here in D.C. Then she moved out to L.A. And so she's been hanging out in the City of Angels. She, of course, is the author of the 10 Day Green Smoothie Cleanse, was a major bestseller. Come on. No, no, that she hold a different book.

Starting point is 01:42:03 Y'all come to me. Come to me. That's a different book. She's holding the kettle. Give me camera seven. Give me camera seven. So this is the 10-Day Green Smoothie Cleanse book. And then, of course, she had Green Smoothies for Life, this book right here. And then she had the Keto Cleanse. And so I want to go here because, JJ, when we first had you on, again, I ain't no vegetable person. So let's just be real clear. I cannot stand. Look, my daddy's watching.

Starting point is 01:42:30 I could not stand damn vegetables growing up. Wait, what about. Which one am I on? I'm on one of seven. Come on. Which one? Collard greens. Thank you very much.

Starting point is 01:42:40 Okay. No, it's okay. So I couldn't stand. JJ, I couldn't stand them. I mean, we would have vegetable week. And I said, if this man give another damn vegetable, it's okay so I couldn't stand I could J.D. I couldn't stand I mean we would have vegetable week and I said if this man give another damn vegetable it's gonna drive me crazy and it really it really was and when you first came on I was like lord has she come with this green juice I'm gonna cut somebody out but it but but but but it really was a way for me to still do vegetables,

Starting point is 01:43:05 but in a different way. Right. So, Roland, I have a question for you. Yep. You mean to tell me you didn't grow up with collard greens, fatback? Don't like them. That is. No.

Starting point is 01:43:19 Okay. You don't eat collard greens. JJ, let me explain something to you. I can't. Okay. I'm going to explain to you why I can't stand no damn collard greens. I can't stand no damn mustard greens. I can't stand no damn beets.

Starting point is 01:43:32 I can't stand none of that. Because Miss Elkins, who's our babysitter, they always had that in the kitchen. And I could not stand the damn smell of that if i don't like the smell i ain't eating it i couldn't stand the smell of that so i was four or five i'm like hell no i ain't eating that i can't stand none of that look i remember we had a standoff me and my dad had a standoff okay corral i want another piece of chicken. He said, you better finish them peas. I'm like, I ain't eating these peas.

Starting point is 01:44:08 And so he was like, well, we ain't leaving this table. You ain't getting no chicken until you finish these peas. I was like, well, hell, I guess we're going to be here all damn night. And so we sat there. And I'm talking about it. It went almost two, three hours. Now, my daddy, look, he worked the late shift. I used to stay up late watching TV.

Starting point is 01:44:28 I knew I was going to outlast him. And so he was like, put this damn food up and go to bed. I ain't eat them peas. I can't stand no peas. I can't stand no broccoli. Don't give me no damn asparagus. My wife fix some Brussels sprouts. They stink damn near like chicken.

Starting point is 01:44:47 So I have limited vegetables that I like. So doing the green smoothie cleanse really made it possible for me to actually do it, to tolerate some vegetables. But I can't stand most of it. And don't come to me with no squash and none of that crap. I can't

Starting point is 01:45:03 deal with it. And I know he's going to send me a text in a minute, but he know I don't eat none of them damn vegetables. I eat three vegetables. Green beans, but they got to be the crunchy ones with olive oil and garlic, cabbage, okra. That's it. We moving on. You know what?

Starting point is 01:45:20 You know what? I'm surprised that you, Roland. Okay, first of all, at least you will acknowledge that green smoothies, I always felt this way, was a great way to get a lot of greens in your diet without having to eat greens. And I'm just surprised that you didn't grow up. I grew up on collard greens. No, no, no, baby. They ate them. Even my string beans, like even if I make string beans now. JJ, JJ, let me help you. They ate them. I was a holdout.

Starting point is 01:45:51 But listen, listen. If you never had green beans with a little garlic, with a little onion, with a little butter, with a little broth, and some turkey sausage, then you're missing out.

Starting point is 01:46:03 It is no smell involved. I did all that. I did all that. I did all that. I can't stand them soul food green beans. I can't, okay? I like my green beans made one damn way. That's it. If they ain't made that way, I ain't eating them.

Starting point is 01:46:15 I'm real clear on what I like and what I don't like. I ain't confused. I ain't confused. I see. And so, look. We got something for you then. This is not dependent on you eating a lot of greens. We're trying to get a slimmer waistline in 2023. So we're not going to worry about you eating greens. We're going to make sure that everybody has the best opportunity to get a slimmer waistline. What people have to understand is how much belly fat you have is an indicator of early death. And in our community, Roland, we lead in high cholesterol and diabetes and high blood pressure.

Starting point is 01:46:54 And if we just change the way we eat, we can change those numbers. going to be eating good and we're going to really decrease the risk of heart disease and other diseases that are associated with us not being in good health. So how are you doing that with this? Because you're about to start, what is it, on Monday, this 30-day belly challenge? Yes, Monday. So on Monday, January 16th, we're doing JJ's 30-day flat belly challenge. And one of the things is if I said, okay, I'm most committed to helping people that look like me take back control of their health and their weight. And I think because belly fat is an indicator of early death, if we really have a weight loss

Starting point is 01:47:37 program that targets belly fat, then you're in a position to not only get healthy, to not only slim your waistline, but also increase your lifespan and really have longevity. And that was my goal. And the beautiful thing about this, it's not a smoothie program. We eat good, right? We eat good and healthy foods. Okay, hold on. Now, when you say we eat good,

Starting point is 01:48:00 I need you to define good because you're good and Reesey's good and Erica and Gray is good. Could be a whole lot different. Everybody's good and good. First of all, let me say this. My family's from Macon, Georgia. So when I say we eat good, I just get some props alone from my family being from Macon because you know they from Macon.

Starting point is 01:48:22 They know what eat good is. But what I'm saying is you don't have to detox and only drink smoothies for 30 days. We're eating some very unique foods. We have like this alien... First of all, Henry missed it. Eric was over there

Starting point is 01:48:37 stabbing her fingers like she was over there having Mardi Gras when you were hollering about Macon, Georgia. Oh, hey! Macon, Georgia! Making Georgia! I know, Henry was a little slow over there with the switch, but going right ahead. Finish your point, JJ. Okay, so what I'm saying is,

Starting point is 01:48:53 we're going to be eating, like, chicken, and we have, like, this barbecue chicken foil pack, which is a healthier way to eat barbecue chicken. We got chicken meatballs. We got Asian stuffed peppers. We got salmon. Like, we have regular foods made very soulful. See, the important thing is I designed the recipes with two chefs.

Starting point is 01:49:16 And it's great that it's healthy, but if it don't taste like, make me step back and be like, bam, it's not going to work. I really need food to move me in a way. You're right. I love to eat. I love for food to feel good. You're right. And so we needed a healthy weight loss plan where the recipes were soulful and they tasted good.

Starting point is 01:49:35 All right. And that's what we've designed. Oh, JJ, hold on one second. I've got to go to a break. We come back. Okay. We're going to talk more about this 30-day plan and this so-called good food. Then I got questions from Erica, Greg, and Reesey about that.

Starting point is 01:49:51 My daddy going to text me and tell me, boy, you still know what you're missing. Yes, I do. Yeah, he might be right, Roland. I know, I'm good. He might be right. I'm good. You can keep them damn greens and them asparagus and squash and all of them. Let me tell you, some people put their foot in them greens.

Starting point is 01:50:05 And then all of them. Some people put their foot in them greens. They take their damn foot out. And all them damn beans we had to eat growing up. It was every damn bean on the man in our house. I'm like, I'm sick of looking at bags of beans. All right, let me go to a break. We'll be right back on Rolling Modern.

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Starting point is 01:52:34 J.J. Smith, author of the 10-Day Green Smoothie Cleanse, Green Smoothies for Life. She's talking about her 30-Day Belly Challenge. So before we went to the break, you were saying that this is not all about, it's not all smoothies. And so what are we talking about here? How many meals, for your plan, how many meals is important to get in? We had Terry Starks on last night.

Starting point is 01:52:55 He says five meals, watching your portions is critical, eating every three hours. He said as opposed to how some people try to starve themselves to death. What about you? Right. Well, I would agree that starving yourself is not the way to lose weight and get healthy. But one of the things that's going to be most important is not what you eat, it's when you eat. Okay. Intermittent fasting is a method of when you eat that has a lot of benefits on our blood sugar.

Starting point is 01:53:24 It helps with high blood pressure. And it's really about discipline. You can eat like all of your food within an eight hour period. And then the 16 hours you fast, I think it's more important to focus on when you eat, not what you eat. I think for most people, they don't really need to eat five times a day. What are we eating five times a day for? I think what you want to do is eat to be satisfied. And a lot of people find that they can eat two or three times a day and be completely satisfied. We want to get in a place we have a healthy relationship with food, and we don't have to be watching the clock.

Starting point is 01:54:01 We don't have to be over-stuffing. I couldn't imagine eating five times a day. If I get three meals in a day, that's like a lot. See, part of the issue for me is when you talk about that, because the day gets away from you. It was like yesterday. Yeah, it gets busy. And Carol was like, oh, I had to eat all day.

Starting point is 01:54:19 I'm like, girl, what the hell wrong with you? I mean, the reality is you do have to eat. And you've got to provide fuel to your body. Let's go with our questions. We're going to go to your Georgia got to feel you got to your body let's go with our questions we will go to your yes, Georgia homegirl first Eric gone. Hey. Hey hey hey girl about making a hey girl how you do with the bad.

Starting point is 01:54:37 Right above the map that line. I know I know my people. My question for you JJ is because I've had the opportunity. With that big-ass green plant in your shot. He didn't say nothing about you, baby. I just saw a big green. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

Starting point is 01:54:59 Go ahead. You mean it, baby. So I was really curious around, you talk about the belly fat, and I'm glad that you're drawing attention to it, not just to have a flat belly, but like the health implications of carrying around that additional fat or what they may call trunk if you go and get measured to work with a personal trainer. So could you talk a little bit more around, because, you know, we hear the fun things about dad bods and just being yourself. Oh my God. Love and embrace all of that. But can you really, really talk about the serious health implications of that visceral fat, what it's indicating? Yes. Okay.

Starting point is 01:55:36 Some things that people can be walking into to help live your life. I don't know. You probably can't see this, right? We see it. Okay. But what I'm showing you is a picture of depending on how your belly fat sits, high, low hanging, there's mommy belly, there's sugar belly, there's stress belly, there's alcohol bellies. There's actually six types of belly fat. And depending on which type you have, there are different solutions to get rid of it. And so I'm glad you talked about it because people don't even realize, depending on how your belly fat sits on your body,

Starting point is 01:56:10 is also an indication of what strategies you need to get rid of it. Like I'm in my 50s. So for me, menopause belly is very real for me. Whereas a lot of people deal with mommy belly. If you had a, like people tell me all the time, I got a mommy belly and my baby is 12 years old. They never really got rid of that stubborn belly fat that happened after childbirth. But the beautiful thing about our program is we take each of the different types of belly fat and every one of them has a different solution that's why diet and exercise alone is not how you get rid of stubborn belly fat you got to figure out the root cause we start this program by giving you a quiz so you first say what type of belly fat i've dealt with alcohol belly because i have too many cocktails menopause belly, bloated belly, sugar belly, eating too many pasta and carbs.

Starting point is 01:57:07 But really, they're all different. And how you solve them is all different. If you think you could just eat less and exercise more, it's not going to touch that stubborn belly fat. And that's why this program is really unique. It's one of the few weight loss programs that's really designed to target belly fat. And by doing that, you get a real good jump on improving your health and really having longevity in terms of your health and not having any major diseases as you get older. Recy. Yeah, JJ, I have a mommy belly. Okay. I can tell you that right now. I don't need to tell me that. But can I ask you, you know, for people that maybe don't have the discipline for an entire program, is there one particular bad habit that anybody who currently does it right now

Starting point is 01:57:59 should just cut it out? Like if you had to choose just one thing to say, I'm no longer going to do this for a healthier lifestyle, what would you pick that one thing to be? I love this question so much because I always tell people baby steps, right? Sometimes a comprehensive program may be too much. There's one thing that moves the needle on weight loss that people don't understand. If you sleep less than seven hours per night, then you have decreased your ability to burn belly fat. When you don't get a lot of sleep, if you have stress, mess, drama in your life, you raise your cortisol levels and the hormone cortisol stores fat in the belly. It is scientifically proven. Lack of sleep, a whole lot of stress will cause

Starting point is 01:58:46 you to store more belly fat. The one thing I tell people who say, oh, I can't eat right, but can you get more sleep? If I could just get you to get more sleep, if you need melatonin, if you need a sleep supplement, whatever you have to do to get more sleep, you've literally changed your body's ability to burn more belly fat. And that in and of itself moves the needle. If you can't stick to a healthy weight loss plan, girl, just sleep more because that's got to be the easiest thing in the world. Oh, yeah, I like that. And actually, one of the things I did last year because I had uneven sleep, someone at O'Brien had this, It's the Aura Sleep Ring.

Starting point is 01:59:26 So I wanted to be able to track the stats to understand in terms of sleep as well. And so that also helps because it gives you, I posted the last couple days on my Instagram page what those sleep stats are, and it gives you that sort of indication. So there are ways for you, and also the Apple Watch also has different apps

Starting point is 01:59:43 that also allow you to track those things as well. Greg Carr, your question. That's a great question. Greg. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Roland. And you actually, Recy, asked the question that I would have asked, and you gave the answer, JJ, because I want you to help save my life as well. 30 days.

Starting point is 02:00:03 We got to talk. We got to talk. No question. But I mean, when you raise stress and sleep, I think that combination has been difficult, certainly for me. Any thoughts on the effect of COVID? I know staying here, being sedentary, you know, working all the time, but certainly being in one place. Any thoughts on what we can do to kind of reverse some of the impact of these last couple years of isolation? And also

Starting point is 02:00:31 white sugar. I'm a coffee addict. I take away. Is that one of the things we can take out of our lives? Okay, so I'm going to give you some good news. Coffee isn't a problem for getting healthier weight loss. The problem with coffee is when we drink three, four cups a day. One cup has been proven to boost our metabolism and be very healthy for us.

Starting point is 02:00:52 It's when we do things in excess, right? So if you drink one cup in the morning, if you can discipline yourself to not drink it all day, it's when you drink it all day that you are putting stress on your adrenals and making it more difficult to lose weight. One cup a day, though, has been proven to benefit our metabolism. So that's a good thing. Let's talk about this COVID-15, though. The studies show that the average person has gained about 15 pounds because of COVID.

Starting point is 02:01:20 I know I did, and I lost 17 pounds just in the last two months. But really for me, it was more like, okay, we about to come out of COVID. Let me get myself together. Cause I don't, look, it was literally like, we about to go outside, okay? COVID is, they lifted all the COVID over.

Starting point is 02:01:42 I'm about to be outside. I gotta get myself right. I don't wanna be in a position where I feel tired. Let me tell you, it's not even a vanity thing. My energy level, my mental, like when I get brain fog and I don't feel sharp and I don't feel energetic and I have low motivation, that bothers me more than like, you know, my weight. Because for me to be most productive, I got to be sharp. I'm an author. I've written seven books.

Starting point is 02:02:09 And if I struggle to write one paragraph, that's my first indication that my health is falling off. I can look in the mirror and be bigger. But what is my mentally? What am I feeling like? So a lot of people are dealing with the COVID-15. And we have to address that. But guess what? A lot of people dealing with the COVID-15, I know for myself, emotionally, we have struggled for the last few years with COVID. The isolation, the exclusion, the depression, the loneliness.

Starting point is 02:02:41 Like I have never felt more lonely in my entire life. It don't matter how many followers you have. I got about 30 seconds left to sign up for the Billy Challenge. Where do we go? Oh, go to JJSmithOnline.com, and you'll see a big banner that tells you you can sign up here. Sign up. It's going to be fun.

Starting point is 02:03:02 It's January 16th. You got a whole week to get this set. It's MOK Day. So's going to be fun. It's January 16th. You've got a whole week to get this out. It's M.O.K. Day. So January 16th. Absolutely. That's when it begins, the 30-day challenge.

Starting point is 02:03:10 And so JJ Smith, we certainly appreciate it. Folks, you can go to her website to get more information. Always a pleasure to have you on. I'll see you next month on LA for the Image Awards. Yes, I'll see you then.

Starting point is 02:03:22 All right, thanks a bunch. Recy, Erica, Greg, thank you so very much for joining us as well. Folks, thanks for watching. We'll see you then. All right, thanks a bunch. Recy, Erica, Greg, thank you so very much for joining us as well. Folks, thanks for watching. We'll see you tomorrow. Maybe we have a house speaking tomorrow. Psych. I'll see y'all tomorrow.

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