#RolandMartinUnfiltered - COVID-19 relief for colleges; Outbreak affects on kids; Ghana produces PPE; Where's $ for Black biz?

Episode Date: April 27, 2020

4.27.20 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: COVID-19 relief for colleges and universities; Coronavirus' affects on children; Ghana produces PPE; Detroit woman died after being sent home from the hospital 4 times; Where's $ for Black biz? Small Black businesses are still not getting the money approved by relief packages; Lockdown health and fitness tips; We found another crazy a$$ woman calls the cops on Black men at a Airbnb. Support #RolandMartinUnfiltered via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered #RolandMartinUnfiltered is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Folks, today is Monday, April 27, 2020. Coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered, the latest with COVID-19, its impact, how we have hit the one million mark in the country, more than 50,000 deaths. Man, tragic stories happening all across this country. Also, you will hear from Congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson, who will talk about what more Congress can do, including the PPP program. How is it that they pretty much have run out of money when they opened today? We'll also talk with Dr. Dan Fabui, a pediatric emergency specialist, about how COVID-19 affects children.

Also, folks, Ghana has started making their own personal protection equipment, not only for that country, but also for other African nations. Also on today's show, the tragic story of a Detroit woman, a black woman, goes to four different hospitals, declined a test each time, including the one of the hospitals where she worked. Oh, man.

Plus, we talk about the health and fitness, as many of us are stuck inside, how you can get your workouts on even though you cannot go to the gym. Oh, my goodness. Another crazy-ass white woman. Why is she accosting two brothers, staying in an Airbnb and calling the cops again because she doesn't recognize them? Some things change. Some stay the same. It's time to bring the funk on Roland Martin

Unfiltered. Let's go. Go. He's rolling with Uncle Roro, y'all. It's rolling, Martin. Rolling with rolling now. He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best, you know he's rolling. Martin. Folks, more than one million confirmed coronavirus cases in the United States. We now are responsible for one third of all coronavirus cases in the world. Okay. Deaths, 56,387 deaths, 137,465 people who are recovering. So many different stories. We're hearing tragic stories, individuals who are being turned away as a result of coronavirus. We continue to get daily updates from New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo.

This is his news conference today. Monday, this is the total hospitalization rate, which you see is basically flat. Flat is not great, but flat may be a reaction to the weekend, Sunday. Sunday discharges may be down. But we have the same question. How fast and how steady is the decline? We don't want to see flat. We want to see an increasing decline. And we want to see how fast that decline goes and how low does the decline go. Right. When does that hospitalization rate get down to a truly manageable number? When does the incoming case number get down to a manageable number? You see, again, overall hospitalization rate is on the decline. Again, yesterday, a little less than we would like to see.

But hopefully it was a Sunday anomaly because of the weekend. Intubations is down. Number of new cases, still 1,000 new COVID cases every day, because they're in perspective. Down a tad from where it was, but again, these weekend numbers sometimes are a little strange. Number of lives lost, 337. Still tragically high.

But on the decline, if you look at it over the past few days, not that that does any, gives any solace to 337 families who are suffering today. Folks, remember the white house announced that because of all the negative attention he has gotten from his stupid idiotic comments such as

disinfectants and putting light through the body, to the government, to the government and idiotic comments, such as disinfectants and putting light through the body. It was just so dumb. The White House announced that they were not going to be holding daily briefings. They said that they'd cancel one today. Then, of course, Donald Trump cannot help himself, so therefore he had to go before the cameras. And so, as a news conference in the Rose Garden, as we speak,

no shock the narcissist was going to hold another news conference. We're not going to go to it because he lies too much. If you see Dr. Anthony Fauci speaks, we'll actually go to it. Frankly, normally we would take Dr. Birx, but she's been defending Donald Trump so much with his idiotic comments that it raises the question, who should actually even trust her voice with what is going on right now? Also, folks, we hear Alex Azar. Stories came out over the weekend where the Trump administration is looking at replacing him as Secretary of Health and Human Services.

Kind of dumb in the middle of a pandemic, you replace your Secretary of Health and Human Services. It has been such a wild weekend with Donald Trump tweeting all kinds of crazy stuff, blaming everybody else for what's going on. It's just been utterly idiotic. Also, folks, a really, really sad story out of New York, where the top ER doctor at a major hospital there, committed suicide because of just the toll on the various, the treatment of various folks. Just a really, really stunning story that we have been following. And again, so we talk a lot about, we talk a lot about the impact of this on individuals and their families and not being able to see families. But the reality is

our health care providers are also being greatly impacted by these decisions. I'm going to pull this story up here because I want you to see it. Her name is Dr. Lorna Breen, Dr. Lorna Breen. And here's the, just give me one second. I'm going to go to it in a second right now. I want you to see this here because, again, these are the people who are putting their lives on the putting their lives on the line to save folks. So go right to the tweet right here. Let's go to it. Dr. Lorna Breen was medical director of one of New York City's top hospitals. Folks, she killed herself on Sunday. She had been talking about how crushed she and other doctors on the front lines were. She especially noted how hard it was not to be able to save COVID-19 patients. Man, that says a whole lot in terms of what's happening that

we would actually lose a doctor. We've seen other stories taking place. We've seen other stories taking place, other personnel folks, folks quitting as well when it came to coronavirus. So this has just been stunning. In a moment, we're going to talk to a doctor about, first of all, how do we treat children when it comes to coronavirus. But also we'll talk to him about, again, this emotional, this physical and emotional toll that this pandemic is taking on our health care professionals. One of the areas where we're also focused on is what is happening when it comes to universities, when it comes to small businesses getting help from the government. Now we're seeing more stories of the federal PPP program. Major businesses getting money. Multi-billionaire out of Texas has received more than $100 million as a part of the small business program.

He's also a top Trump donor. He's made it clear he's not returning any of the money. Now we found today that the Los Angeles Lakers received several million dollars. But L.A. Lakers, a small business, once that became public, they announced they're returning the money. This is just absolutely crazy. Joining us right now is Congresswoman Ingrid E. Johnson. How can people trust this is real when you have a basketball team, and if they were sold, are worth more than $2 billion, qualifying for a small business loan? Well, I don't understand that myself.

As a matter of fact, there's quite a bit that I have not been able to understand and some hopefully have been corrected. But intent of the money was for. And that was for small, low-income businesses that keep our economy going. And not only that, we're hearing there was a story that was done today, 95% of black businesses won't be able to tap any of that money. 91% of Latino businesses won't be able to tap any of that money. And so it's just, it is difficult to watch what is going on and to see the reality that the people who need it the most. In fact, I was watching the live stream for Vice President Joe Biden. There was a discussion among African Americans. And Senator Kamala Harris says there should be a specific set of money set aside for small businesses with 20 or fewer employees. I'll be honest with you.

It's a little hard to fathom small businesses having 500 employees. That's small? Not the small we're talking about. And I can tell you that we've tried very hard to earmark it for small businesses. The questions that I'm getting every day from small businesses here who've done business with one institution for a number of years go to see about a loan and they don't participate with SBA and some of them are very large banking institutions I'm just appalled of all I've heard about since this has been going on and of course college universities are also impacted you know Harvard University first of all early on

Congressman Matt Gaetz was highly critical of money going to Howard University even though Howard University, even though Howard University has a hospital where they were treating coronavirus patients. Well, Harvard University got several million dollars after it was disclosed. They were put under pressure to return the money because they're sitting on a $40 billion endowment. More than $6 billion has been distributed to colleges and universities. And so, you know, how is that also being awarded? You would think that those who need the money the most would be the ones who are receiving it, not a Harvard that, again, can tap a $40 billion endowment, the largest endowment of any university in America? Well, I just imagine that Howard's going to have more

cases than what Harvard will have. It is very interesting that statistics don't tell you anything usually but the truth. It's clear that it's the people who have been deprived all along of health care, of decent living conditions, of poor working conditions, who are the most vulnerable. And we always fall a disproportionate share in that population. And so we have struggled. And now, you know, I don't know what we would have done if we did not have 50 members of the Congressional Black Caucus who has fought every step of the way to try to get some attention given to all of the things that we've talked about. We will continue, and we're stronger now than we've ever been.

Let's talk about the funding that's going to those colleges and universities. The money is supposed to be helped students with housing and other necessities, correct? Yes. The students get a good proportion of the share of what colleges get for their expense. All right, then. Well, look, we certainly appreciate the CBC fighting on behalf of so many folks. At the end of the day uh the people who need the most that's who should be receiving uh the support unfortunately that is not happening and so we

certainly appreciate it uh congresswoman itabris johnson thanks a lot well i appreciate you bringing it to the attention of the public because we need the outcry we have been on the phone of course we've had to work on the phone most of the time trying to get all of this developed. But we need all the attention to the inequities that we can get so they will help us to try to keep the pressure to correct. All right, then. I appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Thank you. and say, look, you can't be gathering. Look, all these black folks tightly packed at this house party as if coronavirus is no big deal. This video was released on TMZ.com.

I mean, it's just crazy what we're seeing. Here's a video here that Pastor Jamal Bryant posted. Pastor Jamal Bryant posted this video on his Instagram page of folks who were gathering in Atlanta over the weekend after Georgia Governor Brian Kemp ordered things to be open on Friday. And so, so play this video here as well, folks. And so Pastor Brian posted this video. I mean, this is, look, I mean, I want our viewers to understand something, okay? I want them to understand something. I know people are tired of being in the house. I know people are tired of not being able to party and gather, but this is crazy.

This is absolutely crazy. As African Americans, I don't care. Look, other folks want to play these games. We are dying at a higher rate than anybody else in this country. We should be focused on social distancing. We should not be gathering like we are here. People need to cut this nonsense that somehow black people, some people, black people are not impacted by all this. It just makes no sense, folks. It makes no sense whatsoever. And so looking at this video is just unbelievable. And again, when I talk about the impact on us,

it is huge. It is huge. And so we must understand that we must be taking precautions. And so, look, I get people want to run out of here and they want to get their nails done and they want to sit here and they want to get their hair done. But I did an event yesterday, an event with Congressman Cedric Richmond, and he said, look, real simple. He said, you can have the mortician do your hair and your makeup. That's also possible if you want that to happen. And so we need to understand that. Here's the other piece.

Even though coronavirus is impacting mostly adults, 2% of the cases involving coronavirus impact children of the age of 18. But guess what? The adults can actually make this thing worse by spreading it. In Washington, D.C., there have been 102 confirmed cases. Maryland, 490 cases between the 80s of 10 and 19. 228 cases in Virginia, those under the age of 9. Also, 179 confirmed cases, children nine and under.

11 hospitalizations. There have been 355 cases in the 10 to 19 age groups, eight hospitalizations. Folks, this is real. It is impacting us. Joining me right now is Pediatric Emergency Medical Specialist, Dr. Dan Fabui. Dr. Fabui, welcome to Roller Martin Unfiltered. Hey, hey. Thank Fabui. Dr. Fabui, welcome to Roller Martin Unfiltered. Hey, thank you for having me. So first off, we saw the story of the five-year-old girl

who was the child of two emergency responders who died in Detroit. I think that was the youngest victim. It's been a four-month-old child. And so just give our viewers an understanding of how children are vulnerable to coronavirus. Yeah, so kids and adults, everybody's pretty much vulnerable because it's new. However, for children, I'll just give you some unique features that make children unique. One is that they tend to be low to the ground and so for whenever things are on the ground or objects that they grasp, they put and touch those surfaces and can contain viruses or bacteria and things like that.

Some will argue that's how we get our immunity. That's one. But when you have something that's novel, that's new, where the immune system hasn't been exposed to it, it can have an impact on them. Other things with regards to children are, one, they can't always speak for themselves. So we have to kind of figure out what their symptoms are. So when I'm seeing children or either if I'm seeing adults, when I'm seeing children, they have to be able to communicate and say, hey, I have this and that. Well, sometimes they don't have those signs.

We just have to go by our instinct and understanding how we assess them. Do they have a fever? Are they acting fussy? They're not eating as well, not drinking as well. Children tend to breathe faster than normal adults do. So they can, by theory, you can say actually they probably inhale or ingest more air at the same time. So if you have more virus in their environment, they can probably inhale it more likely or get exposed to it more likely than an adult would because they breathe a little bit faster. So those are just some little certain differences. Their skin tends to be a little bit different and thinner than the adult. So when bacteria and viruses get on their skin,

they can get absorbed. In this case, this is a respiratory virus. So I think their respiratory rate would probably make a big difference in terms of how fast they breathe. So those are some of the just physiologic differences. But the other things are that kids tend to be actually reservoirs. So they tend to actually be the spread, the agent of spread. So the impact on them hasn't really been felt as much, which we're very fortunate for. But unfortunately, we've lost also some kids. And the fact that when the schools were canceled, schools were closed early on, that I think had a significant impact. Only data will show that as we get into the fall and start to see if kids go back to school and start to congregate,

if that happens, that may be another issue that may affect the second wave or third wave, depending on who you read and who you're talking to. But yeah, so those are some of the impacts that may affect them. This is a graphic that was sent to us by Dr. Ebony Hilton, and she was on the show on Friday. And so this is called COVID-19 for Kids. And so she sent to us because she said it's how to have conversation tips about COVID-19 for each grade level. And then what she details here, she details again for elementary school students clinging to parents, irritability, aggressiveness, clinginess, also among adolescents, sleeping, eating disturbances, agitation, physical complaints. And so this is information that we really need in order to communicate with children. And I think too often we keep talking about adults, adults, adults, Doc. We got to keep in mind we have to be having regular conversations with what's happening with this pandemic with children.

Yes, I totally agree. And you have to be very candid with them. You don't have to be graphic, but I think you have to have a real one-on-one conversation. Kids are smarter than we give them credit for. And depending on their development age, that is totally correct. You have to address them on their needs. So the younger ones may just be behavioral abnormalities that you may see. With the older kind of preschool populations, they may just have somatic complaints, meaning their body complaints, stomach aches, body lack of appetite.

They may obsess or even have sleeping problems. Same thing as you get into the older population between those ages of five and eight and up until 10, where you may start to see some behavioral changes. They may even have some sibling rivalries with their siblings where they're treating them not so nice. There's a fear. They miss their friends. So they may be upset or anxious. And if they're watching what's on TV, also, as you're stressing, they also feed off your stress or anxiety. So I think those things need to be addressed for the adolescents and teens. They tend to feel invulnerable and sometimes they can also be numb to it all. So they might not pay attention to it as

much or feel like, you know, this doesn't faze me. It's not bothering me because I'm just going to be in my room and be on technology and do my thing. But then there's some that will have other body complaints that may affect them also. And yes, the dialogue has to be there, what a plan is. So trying to engage them in the discussion about why we're social distancing and what the reason, break down the science to them as best as you can so they understand it. Give them tasks to do or projects around it. There are many resources on the Academy of Pediatrics website

for children. That's the AAP, that's the organization that deals with children and has over 60,000 providers, pediatricians all around the globe that can provide resources in addition to the CDC website. And the CDC and the Academy of Pediatrics actually work well together, collaborated on multiple issues from pandemics to other types of events that may affect children to make sure that they're surviving and doing well. All right, Dr. Dan Faboui, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much for your insight. It's certainly needed. And our goal, of course, is to keep providing

black medical professionals out here. We'll ask you this here before I go, that is, can you just talk about the dialogue that you are having with your colleagues in other states as well and how they are dealing with the physical and the mental and emotional toll of treating victims? I read some stories over the weekend and read this one story out of Massachusetts where these doctors went through every possible measure to save this guy's life. And eventually they did. But they were just destroyed about just they could not figure out how. Pretty much they say, according to this story, his lungs, the x-ray, it was essentially white.

They couldn't even see his lungs. And they were just trying everything. And luckily the guy survived, but they said it was just unbelievable. And so I don't think, you know, I don't think people really understand what happens when people in the healthcare industry, they're just seeing death after death after death

and not being able to figure out how to stop this. Right. Yeah, it's a big challenge. From an emergency standpoint, there are a couple of hats I wear. So in my dialogue with my colleagues, it's a little bit different. I was a military guy. We did kind of this type of stuff. We saw death, but also as emergency trained physician and a pediatric expert also. So I've kind of seen the whole impact from that standpoint, from the end user perspective, also to the biodefense, which I used to advise the Obama

administration on. So I get the global picture, but when it comes down to seeing patients and dealing with death, we don't get numb to it in a sense when it's something challenging enough. Meaning in our day-to-day, so in emergencies, or if I'm seeing an adult or a kid, we'll respond. We're known to go running, kind of like firefighters, and go put out the fire and do what we need to do. And we have a dedicated mission and a dedicated team, and we'll save patients. Sometimes we do lose patients, and it takes a big toll on us. But as the lead, when you're lead, sometimes you can't show that emotion out of not being weak, but also being strong for the team.

But we do things what we call debriefs, something we got from the military also. But we would debrief and go over those and be like, hey, we tried to do this for this patient. What could we have done better? People get the vent, we get chaplains involved, all those types of things, which are resources for the staff and team if they need the vent

or if something's going on. But with the volume and masses that some hospitals have seen with these cases, it has been overwhelming. It's sad, the story you mentioned about the doctor who committed suicide. That's very rare, but it does happen, and it can take a toll, especially on the provider. Yes, we wear our Superman or Superwoman armor, but sometimes we also, at the core, yes, we wear our superman or superwoman armor, but sometimes we also, at the core of it, we're human. And when we can see our relatives, our family in those people, what if that's my aunt, uncle, or friend? Those types of things. And then you start to really feel the impact of it. This is real. There are lives that have been lost, and there will be still more

lives lost, and we all are in it, and we have to figure out how best to get through it. With the colleagues, they've complained in terms of the testing, the equipment, all the things and issues, and the lack of leadership from the top. I mean, it's been a concatenation of different types of missteps from the testing issue and all of those things, lack of equipment. But from my perspective, we've kind of seen this coming. We've been calling this out over 20 years for saying, hey, be prepared for pandemics, be prepared for biological disasters, other types of things that we see. And we see these experiences and it seems like we either forget we

have this uh lessons re-experienced as i call it and many of my colleagues talk about it where you know we learned this we learned this during h1n1 we learned something similar during katrina i'm not saying these are all on the same level but there's a big disaster that occurs and then we want to now chase after it and try to do it when we should have been more prepared before. I hope with all this experience and sadness that we also experience and hurt, out of this is born some significant changes that actually help us and even help our communities where we have the health disparities that are another issue and another layer onto that. All right, Dr. Dan, I certainly appreciate it, man. Thank you so very much.

Be sure to take care of yourself as well as the other docs and medical personnel out there because y'all are on the front line and we definitely need y'all at full strength. Thank you. Appreciate it. All right. Thank you so very much. All right, folks.

Again, I talked about, and we were talking about, of course, what was happening across the country. And I just can't express enough. This is another graphic that was sent to us by Dr. Ebony Hilton that I want to show you. It's called Staying Alive, Spread the Word, Not the Virus. Look, every African-American should be studying this. Okay, folks, you see it right here. Obviously, wash your hand, clean dirty spaces, don't touch your face, leave your shoes at the door, cover your nose and mouth, wipe down all items. But here's the key.

Save yourself, save others. It makes no sense that people, look at this this try to avoid sharing common spaces and household items this is people in a household no no we can't have people congregating in these spaces and places um we we can't have them sitting here just meeting the way they are. And I'm sorry. Okay? Getting a damn nail job or a haircut ain't worth your life. Sitting here wanting to go to a house party

with more than 100 people, it's not worth your life. We have not gotten testing to the level it needs to be at. It hasn't. Yet people out here playing games somehow thinking they're bulletproof and I've said it before and I'll say it again

if you're one of those people who are walking around saying oh black people can't get this you are stupid and an idiot it's simply not true. We're seeing cases worldwide. We're seeing cases in this country. Bus driver in Detroit. Woman coughs.

Couple weeks later, he's dead. I don't understand what people are doing but I'm going to tell you right now if that was somebody who was in my house who was so hell bent on going to a house party or going to hang out with some other people they couldn't come back to my house

in fact early on there was a story there was a guy in New York the dad told his son son don't go on spring break. Don't come back with that. Son ignored him with the spring break. Son came home, locked out the house. Dad said, no. Me and your mama fine.

Can't bring your ass into the house. I'm with dad 100%. 100%. 100%. This thing is killing people. And folks want to sit here and get together, get that damn haircut, or go get some nails done. Let's go to my panel. Quadricos Driscoll, adjunct professor at George Washington University. Dr. Avis Jones, the Weaver, a political analyst. Dr. Jason Nichols, African American Studies, University of Maryland.

Glad to have all three of you here. I'm sorry, Jason. It just pisses me off. I don't understand. People literally are dying. People are dying who didn't have symptoms. People are dying who are being turned away from hospitals. And these idiots are out here having house parties uh and say it's

no big deal what the hell we're bulletproof you know and it's crazy because the disproportionate number of black people are dying you know which which makes it even more frustrating that people are still you know propagating this lie that black people can't get it and i can tell you i went to a zoom funeral couldn't even hug the family. You know, people are out there dying in hospitals, dying by themselves, where their family can't touch them. I know when, you know, not to make it too personal, but I know when my mother passed, the one thing that I could really hold on to was I got to see her last breath. I got to, she was surrounded by her family. People who are dying of COVID-19

aren't having that opportunity. They're dying in isolation by themselves. They aren't allowed, their families can't have funerals. This is not a game. People are actually losing their lives. It's irresponsible. Even if you are somehow able to, you know, be asymptomatic and, you know, you don't have the problems, you don't have the pre-existing conditions, you can pass that on to somebody who does have those conditions and they could die. It's irresponsible for us to be congregating in house parties. Your haircut isn't that important. Your shave isn't that important. I see you rolling, you and me both doing our same thing here. We both, you know, we understand the importance of social distancing and, you know, paying attention to the guidelines

of what public health officials are saying. Matt, look, do you, I don't give a damn about going to get my hair done. I don't care. Look, do you know what it's called? Pat down. It's called pat down. I'm sorry. We ain't playing this game.

We're not playing this game. In fact, it was very interesting. Sethi and the Tainer had posted this photo called Corona Cuts, and the barber was over, And it was a trip. I saw the photo. And then a couple of hours later, I went back. He had taken it down. I think people hit him up and said, yo, bro, no, don't do that.

Because there was a barber in Mississippi who was doing house calls. He's now dead because he got it. Because he was doing house calls. Yes, a well-known black barber, he was doing house calls in Mississippi. He is dead because he was doing house calls, giving folks haircuts. It is tragic because that's a completely unnecessary death. It's so frustrating to see people downplay the gravity of the situation. And we all have personal responsibilities for our own lives, for the lives of our family,

for those that we have responsibility to take care of, and those in our immediate space. And, you know, they're not only endangering their lives when they're in this house party, this ridiculously crowded space, which we now know that coronavirus can stay in the air of crowded spaces. So that, you know, the likelihood of actually being infected by this disease actually, you know, skyrockets when you're in those compacted situations like that. But not only are you taking your life into your own hands, when you go back home, you're taking the lives of all of those who love you most in your own hands. And we already know that black people face implicit bias in healthcare situations.

So say someone is tragically struck with coronavirus, when they go to the hospital, are they going to be seen? Are they going to be tested? If there are a limited number of ventilators, are they going to be prioritized over someone else? I mean, we already know that we have all of these barriers that we have to face when it comes to accessing health care. At least have sense enough not to put yourself in jeopardy so that you find yourself in a situation where you are struggling to save your own life. And all of a sudden, no one's there to help you. Quadricos, that's one of the criticisms of these governors who are opening up the state.

They're so focused, obviously, on commerce. But the fact that we now have 56,000 coronavirus deaths in this country. Donald Trump said 15 cases will be soon down to zero. Two months later, here we are, 56,000. And we still have not had adequate testing in this country and so and let's just be clear the far majority of people super majority of people are not going out the concern that i have quadricos is that these people are going out we don't know where they are going when they leave. And so we had the Meharry College experts on here who said that one person, based upon how things multiply, one person could be responsible for spreading coronavirus to a million people.

That's how real this is. Very simply, if you want to reopen the economy state by state, you have to test black people. You have to first get the test, and then you have to go to the communities and the states where, honestly, they are being disproportionately affected, and that is within our community. And so if these governors, and I understand they want to open up the economy, they want to get people back to work, but you have to get the test first and you have to start testing African Americans. That is the best way to actually get the economy up and running. The reality is we don't have enough tests,

despite what might be coming out of, despite what might be coming out of Washington, what might be coming out of the White House. And when those tests do come, however, you have to ensure that it gets to the communities most vulnerable. You mentioned the sister and the brother that died in Detroit. What we do know, of course, is that there is already implicit bias when we go to the hospital. A white patient, an African-American patient, or even Latinx patient who are experiencing the same symptoms or similar symptoms, particularly with regard to pain and other sort of chronic conditions, might very well be told to turn away if they are a black or Latin American

versus a white patient. This bias is still playing out even in the midst of this pandemic. And so it is vitally important for us to make sure that we get the test A and that you test the people who need it the most if you want to open up the economy. Okay, but here's the crazy thing. Let's talk about Detroit. Black woman works at a hospital, Beaumont Hospital. Turned away four times. Deborah Gatewood, 63 years old, started experiencing symptoms in mid-March. Drove herself to the hospital emergency room.

Multiple times. Was denied a test every single time i don't under by the time she was tested for coronavirus at another hospital oh my god her fever had hit 106 had developed bilateral pneumonia. Her kidneys began to fail. Then her heart, April 17th, declared dead. How in the hell, Avis, can you be a hospital worker and your own place of employment deny you a test? She's now dead.

I hope her family sues the hell out of her damn hospital. I agree. They need to sue them for every penny they can get. And there is no excuse. I mean, we talked about implicit bias. I'm sure that definitely played a role. But this is criminally negligent behavior, if you ask me.

I believe that definitely they should sue at minimum in terms of turning this woman away. I mean, she went to the, she did what she was supposed to do. When you go to the emergency room, you know, legally you are supposed to be seen by a doctor. She has a, she worked there. She has a medical background. It's not like she was going there for frivolous reasons, obviously, given the symptoms that she was showing. And the fact that time and time and time and time again, she was turned away from the specific facility that she had dedicated decades of her life to, and then had to go to a completely different space

when she already had, unfortunately, one foot in the grave is absolutely incongenable and so yes it is a tragedy of epic proportions and I certainly hope as you mentioned that her family soothes the daylights out of these people so that they never again show that level of negligence and quite frankly that level of of lack of compassion for someone who is obviously suffering and in need of their care. So Jason, this White House says, oh, we have all these tests available. Well, why in the hell are we still hearing these stories of people being turned away? I mean, the young brother out of Michigan, 25 years old, said to graduate in a few weeks. Again, goes to a hospital, turned away, can't get a test.

I mean, this is the problem we're dealing with, and our people are being screwed. Our people are being killed, frankly, by this lack of testing. There's no question about it. The World Health Organization says that we should be testing 500,000 people a day before we even think about reopening. Last time I checked, we were testing about 150,000 people per day, which is obviously far below where we need to be.

Donald Trump, I believe, today got up there and said the federal government is not responsible, that they are the last resort for testing. And so you have some of these hospitals that literally don't have the resources. And then, you know, when you have a health care professional who says that they need a test because they're experiencing symptoms, not only should they sue, people who were treated by that health care professional should sue because that puts them in danger as well, assuming that she, you know, maybe perhaps still went to work.

So health care professionals should be first in line to get tested. There's no question about that. And so I agree with your other panelists that this is unbelievable, unreal that we are in this situation and our federal government and in some cases state governments, but for the most part, state governments have tried. But federal government has not had our backs and has not gotten people tested. And as we said, when America gets a cold, black people get COVID-19. And it starts taking people out. And so, you know, I'm glad

that there are shows like this that are speaking up and making sure that people know this. Quadricos, I cannot imagine working at a hospital knowing full well hospitals

are incubators of coronavirus. A hospital where you have given your time, energy, and talent, and they wouldn't even give you a test, and you have to go somewhere else and you end up dying of it. Listen, Roland, I know of two cases personally, both nurses, both African-American women. One, she was sick. Thankfully, it was not COVID related. She had the allergies. She's a nurse.

She went to her own hospital. They refused to test her. They told her to go home for two days and then report back to work. She went to another hospital. They refused to test her. I told her to literally raise hell, to curse and even call the police if she needed so that they could test her. That particular hospital then told her to go home. She recovered. Thankfully, she just had the flu and with seasonal allergies and showed she was able to recover. But the reality is hospitals are not treating African-American patients. And I'm hearing anecdotal stories that this is the case. They're rather sending them home because they're at capacities.

And particularly if these hospitals and these clinics are in African-American and underserved communities, they're very simply not treating them. I don't necessarily have the data on this, but I am hearing anecdotal stories. I also heard a friend of mine who literally quit, very similar to the physician that committed suicide because she could not take the anxiety of potentially coming home and giving her two small children COVID-19 as well as her husband. So she quit. And what's not being reported are the anecdotal stories that we are hearing consistently, given the implicit bias in our health care system, that African Americans and other underrepresented minorities are not being tested or treated. Well, I got to ask you all this here. Now you have Senator Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, because this ties to this here, who in the next coronavirus bill, he wants to demand that companies that force their employees to come back to work have liability protections, meaning they can't be sued.

Take it away, Jason. I mean, this is this is Mitch McConnell. And this is why he's actually I believe he's in trouble. I mean, you know, more than likely he will win the reelection. But, you know, he's in more danger than he's ever been in his career because he's cold hearted and callous and thinks about dollars over people. And that's one of the things that we're seeing with the Republican Party right now is that they're you know, they think about pocketbooks over people. And I think, you know, hopefully some people are waking up and seeing that, you know, this is not tenable. This is untenable. And this is not a way, you know, that you govern it.

And one thing I'll say to Quadricos is that, you know, first of all, what's up, Quadricos? You know, we know each other. But the other thing that I would say is like, my wife is a nurse. And while there are problems with health care, I know her biggest concern, because she deals with vulnerable populations, was about getting COVID-19 and then passing it on to patients because in the beginning, her job didn't have PPE. So I think that, you know, while there are a lot of health care disparities and health outcome disparities, there are a lot of professionals who are worried about patients. You know, they're absolutely concerned with patients, particularly Black and Latino nurses and doctors who are really concerned with that and concerned that

they didn't have what they needed to do their jobs. That was the big concern that I heard from a lot of doctors and nurses. Avis. Yeah, I mean, here's the bottom line. I mean, liability, liability, I mean, so the hell forcing people, oh,

guess what? Hey, y'allall get sued don't worry about it no liability whatsoever we already saw that where florida governor ronda sanders was trying to do the exact same thing to the nursing homes where bodies have been stacking up for the last two months it is inconscionable it just lets you know that they vow who they value and who they don't well the fact that they don't value and who they don't. Well, the fact that they don't value anybody, clearly they don't value human life over financial interest. That's really what we're seeing here. And that's also what we're seeing throughout this administration. The reason that we're having the problems that we're having right now, just in terms of at the scale that

we're having right now, is because from the very beginning, this administration was negligent in its decision making. When it got rid of President Obama's pandemic response unit from day one, when it completely sort of basically sold our stockpile to China, but and then did not replenish it. OK, when it also has specifically, I believe, intentionally suppressed testing efforts so that it could appear that there as the federal government, knowing good and damn well that states are under much more financial restrictions than the federal government is. And he's created this situation where states have to compete with each other and figure out how they can get supplies that the entire world is trying to get. All the time here, you have a president who has also refused to fully enact the Defense Production Act, which would force companies to make the materials that we need to be able to keep health care providers protected, as well as provide enough supplies so that people could be tested and people could have access to those things that could save lives. At the foundation of this problem is the complete idiocy of this administration,

the complete callousness of this administration that really cares nothing about human life and clearly only values profit. And unfortunately, in those circumstances, everyone is at danger, but the group that tends to pay the highest price, unfortunately, is African-Americans. that America will be and continues to be America, that it necessarily does not care about the most vulnerable and the poor of our society, and that includes black and brown people. It's about profit, and we have to continue to make sure that our voices are heard and that we continue to raise hail, whether it's to our members of Congress or whether it's to our local and state legislators,

to ensure that our voices are heard and that we get the care that we need. Paul, it's going to go to a break. When we come back that we get the care that we need. Post, going to go to break. We come back. We're going to talk about specifically the federal PPP program and how black businesses continue to get screwed and the rich get richer. Also, in the second hour of the show, two black men at Airbnb. Can't just mind their own business No, crazy ass white woman

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that new people had difficulty even trying to get in. And now we're hearing more stories of the rich getting richer and being able to bank millions of dollars for their so-called small businesses. With us right now is Ashley Harrington, Federal Advocacy Director, the Center for Responsible Lending. Ashley, glad to have you on Roller Martin Unfiltered. Thank you so much. Happy to be here. Ashley, when you hear a story that the Los Angeles Lakers

got several million dollars, surely you got to say, who the hell is even paying attention to these loans? The L.A. Lakers, a team that when the Clippers were bought by Steve Ballmer for $2 billion, the Lakers arguably could be sold for $3 to $4 billion. That's a small business? Roland, I think you're absolutely right. And that's something we're seeing.

We saw it with Shake Shack. We saw it with shake shack we saw it with ruth chris we saw it with all these huge companies getting access to a program that like you said that's supposed to be for small businesses that you know four percent of the loans in the first batch of ppp funding went to loans that were over a million dollars but that took up almost half the funding in the program so we're talking about half the funding in the program going to million dollar plus loans and these are loans that are supposed to cover just two months of salary. So do you, the payroll you have to have to have just two months of salary, get to a million dollars and more, it's pretty massive. It's not what we would, most of us would think of as a small business. And that's kind of the big problem we've seen with the program from the start is the ones

that will get priority and that have gotten priority are these well-resourced often white-owned businesses and franchises that will end and businesses of color black-owned businesses brown latino-owned business being completely passed over and missing out on this important lifeline okay but like it's just stunning. At the Los Angeles Lakers would get $4.6 million. Then you have this businessman out of Texas, and they rigged the system because they apply it because of these different hotels, and his company is the management company. He's a multi-billionaire. They got more than $ 100 million in loans.

How in the hell is that a small business? It's not, Roland. I think that's the point. This program was really set up in a way that would privilege businesses that are not small. And not only are they not small, they're not struggling, right? So we anticipated this program would be something

that actually helped small businesses and kept people employed. Yet the program, the first round of programs out of money. We expect the second round to run out fairly quickly. Meanwhile, unemployment numbers continue to skyrocket. The industries that had the largest amount of unemployment numbers are the same industries that got the smallest amount of PPP dollars. So we are doing something wrong. And this program is not set up to actually help small businesses.

How's this one here? A billionaire's electric car company. Go to my iPad, please. A billionaire's electric car company got millions of dollars under the coronavirus stimulus program meant to help struggling small businesses keep workers employed. Nikola Motor Company, founded and led by 38-year-old billionaire Trevor Milton, received $4.1 million. The company was valued at $3 billion in a merger that's near closing. I love this here. A Nikola spokesperson told CNBC, there's a difference between a high valuation and having cash.

The same guy bought a ranch in Utah last year for thirty two point five million dollars. How about you pay your own damn employees? I think you're absolutely I think you're absolutely right, Roland. And when we think about the fact that not only are these loans, these are not loans, right? These are essentially grants because they're going to be forgiven and these companies will not have to pay them back. So we are literally giving away money to the wealthy and ignoring the actually struggling small businesses. And you're right. There is other ways for these large entities to access capital.

The reason why they are so large is because they can access capital. Meanwhile, other businesses don't have that same ability. Well, and the other issue is this here, is that the problem here is that by going through these banks that have historically screwed us. So basically, you want us to go through the very system that screwed us with redlining and failure to lend. Then we hear all of these stories of banks saying, oh, well, if you don't have any loans with us, we're not going to process your applications. And so that still wasn't fixed. What is your organization recommending? Because here's the deal. It's going to have to be another bill. That $310 billion they approve ain't enough. What is your organization recommending

that government do to actually help real small businesses? Absolutely. So we are asking that there's some administrative fixes that they can take right now. Treasury and SBA can set aside $10 billion for minority depository institutions and community developed financial institutions. So technically, these entities are included in a $30 billion set aside from the recent bill. But the way that bill is structured, the vast majority of banks are also included in a $30 billion set aside from the recent bill. But the way that bill is structured, the vast majority of banks are also included in that $30 billion set aside. So it's highly likely that these MDIs and CDFIs, and these are the orgs that have the best track record of serving businesses of color, will not get any of that funding. So they need an actual

set aside of $10 billion so that they can serve small businesses of color, especially when those businesses are the very ones who have been left out of this program and business lending in general. And I want to mention beyond just the banks that have shut them out, the SBA historically in their programs have shut out black and brown businesses. In fiscal year 2019, in the 7A program, which is the SBA's largest program before PPP, only 3% of loans went to black businesses. 3% rolling. Wow. Questions from my panel. I'll first start with Jason. Yeah, I mean, I think you answered a lot of the questions that I had, which is primarily,

you know, what are small businesses going to do? What are African-American businesses going to do when they can't make payroll? And if there's no and if there's no other bill that comes through in time. And it sounds as though even when these bills come, the money is it seems to be tied up already so can you just i don't think i fully caught you know everything that you were saying in terms of how that uh is is going to work and so can you just really kind of break down step by step for for small business owners out there that are watching what what steps should they take uh in terms of because i think some people didn't even apply to the PPP. So what steps should a small business owner take? And also, does that also include people who are contractors, like, say, a barber who doesn't own a shop,

but perhaps is a contractor, someone who goes out and does their own work, who doesn't necessarily have employees, like a sole proprietor. Absolutely. So sole proprietors do qualify or should qualify under this program. And we encourage businesses to keep applying, look for alternate institutions, look for CDFIs and MDIs that are participating in this program and go through them because they historically have done a better job of working with businesses of color and working with smaller businesses. We're also asking folks to put pressure

on the Treasury and SBA because, again, they can do some of this administratively. They can reserve funds just for MDIs and CDFIs. They can reserve funds just for loans that are below $150,000, which means they will get to the smaller businesses and not to the Shake Shacks and the LA Lakers of the world. So there's a couple of things to do that way. Also, tell your story, right? If you're having trouble getting a loan, if you're having trouble getting through this program, make sure you are telling folks that. There is actually a comment portal for the current SBA rule that lays out how this program runs. Submit that there because that way we have information in the record that shows how this program has failed small businesses of color

and how it has disproportionately enriched these larger businesses. So keep applying. As of right now, the funding has not run out. We do think it will run out fairly quickly, but it's unfortunate that you're going to have to look for different lenders. And when you have a lender who's telling you no, follow up with them and also put forth that complaint as well. Tell the CFPB, tell your state AG, put that in the comment portal. Davis. You know, this in terms of the information ahead of time that I think a lot of these bigger companies got to be ready for this and therefore were able to jump on it right at the beginning. With this next batch of funding

that, as you mentioned, will likely be snatched up pretty soon, even though some is still there, you know, it's also easy to also expect that there'll still be a lot of people who will be left out and who need this. So what other suggestions might we have for small business owners who may not be able to even receive any assistance in this next batch of funding? Any other suggestions, tools, resources that we can provide for people to be able to cobble together some level of subsistence until they're able to get their businesses

back on their feet? So I think there are different nonprofits and philanthropy orgs that are doing some of this work. I think that a lot of different solutions are also being proposed. So beyond just this batch of funding, we are advocating for more funding, but also more targeted solutions for businesses of color. We know that this is not going to be enough. We know that some of our

businesses have already closed. Some are in the process of closing. And unfortunately, some of them may never reopen. And that has an impact not just on that owner and those employees, but our entire community, right? Because businesses of color are so important to our communities. They employ almost 9 million people and generate $1.4 trillion annually in revenue. That's a big chunk of change, and that goes directly to our communities in most cases. So looking for these alternative ways, but also continuing to advocate for our fair share, both in this program and beyond, right? They are continuing to look for ways to provide relief, and relief has to get to our communities. Quadricos, what's your question for Ashley? Similar to Jason's question, faith-based institutions, I know because of the unprecedented times that we are in,

are also or can also take out loans for from the PPE program. So my question is, what can faith institutions do, particularly churches, black churches, because a lot of small rural, expert black churches will not be able to survive this program, excuse me, this pandemic. And so what advice do you have for our faith-based institutions in terms of taking out loans as well? Absolutely. So I think that is a great part of this program is that faith-based entities can take part. So if you have a banking relationship, a credit relationship, you know, really going to that bank, speaking with them, seeing if they're participating in the PPP program. If not, can they connect you to a bank that is continuing to follow up? Again, the MDIs and CDFIs, there are some that are currently

participating or trying to participate. So going through those. And, you know, honestly, it's very difficult because by 330, 100,000 applications have been submitted just today for this new tranche. And so some of the reality is we're going to have to do more and we're going to have to call on lawmakers and regulators to do more to make sure that it gets to institutions like yours. All right, then. We certainly appreciate it. Ashley, thank you so very much for joining us. Where can people get more information from for the Center for Responsible Lending? Absolutely. Please check us out at responsibellending.org.

We have a whole page of resources just about our response to the COVID pandemic and what's going on. And you can find that right on our homepage. So that's responsible lending.org. Thank you so much, Roland. All right. So appreciate it.

Thanks a bunch. All right, folks, the people in Ghana are doing their part to ensure that Africans receive the PPE gear that they so desperately need. Are they waiting to order from China? Nope. They're doing it themselves.

Check this out. Субтитры сделал DimaTorzok ДИНАМИЧНАЯ МУЗЫКА I'm very, very happy to be here today. Today we are seeing what Ghanaian ingenuity and industry is about. In response to the need for personal protective equipment for our healthcare workers. The president directed that we have these key PPEs, the personal protective equipment, produced in the country. The Minister for Trade and Industry, Honourable Alan Koyote Sherman Ting, took up this challenge and pushed to have five major companies take up the production of key PPEs in the country. We have about 18,000 gowns and then about 11,000 scrubs that have been produced together

by the five companies. But as we ramp up production, I mean, these numbers will grow exponentially. And you can see that the quality of the product is very high. And the fabric that has been used, incidentally,

is also local fabric, but it's not just any fabric. I mean, this fabric is especially produced by uh japan textiles limited which is now volta start and then it moves uh into akusumo texas limited and then gtp and then they take this fabric. So this is very high quality fabric. Why aren't y'all kill the music, please? I'm trying to figure out, Quadricos. How is it that we can't be making PPE and masks here? I mean, I'm seeing all of the, I'm seeing, I mean, DuPont, for instance,

got the federal government. The federal government basically paid the $1 million charter flights. So DuPont, for some reason, had the material here, took it overseas to assemble, and flew it back here, and then turned around and sold 60% of it to the federal government. So we paid twice.

I'm just trying to figure out, there are no places to make assemble stuff in America? Roland, I think you are addressing, of course, what we already know, and that there is no incentive, of course, to ensure that lives are being saved. We heard what our dear sister Avis already said, what the president didn't do because of the lack of response time. It's fundamentally all about profit. And I am absolutely delighted that Ghana has taken the steps to do this, right,

rather than go to China, to Asia, where usually, of course, those products are made. But I also think it's important to note that there are 10 African countries, you know, currently that don't have ventilators. And in some African countries, basic supplies like oxygen and soap are needed really to slow down the spread of this virus. And I think while, and this slightly might be insensitive to say, that I am absolutely glad that we're not seeing the devastation on the continent of Africa that we are accustomed to seeing when it comes to viruses. Certainly, we are reminded of the AIDS epidemic and Ebola.

But here, somehow, it has not ravaged the continent to the extent, of course, in Western countries. And I think this is absolutely vital for Ghana, as well as other Western countries and I think this is absolutely vital for Ghana as well as other African countries to be to do this ah yes yes I mean I I agree and I am glad that Ghana has been able to lend in this effort in a way that also provides opportunities for their population to have gainful employment and really fulfill a worldwide need at this moment. You know, it's really interesting how the global dynamic is shifting. You know, in moments of crises and in moments of a lack of leadership, like the leadership vacuum,

that creates an opportunity, opportunities for new leaders to emerge. And, you know, we've been seeing now for several years that several of the fastest growing economies on the planet are found on the continent of Africa, several countries, Ghana being among them. And so, you know, with everything that's going on with a lot of these European countries, everything that's going on here, everything that has happened

in China and other Asian countries as relates to just the devastating effects of this pandemic, if Africa is able to remain relatively detached from this plague as it has thus far, we may be beginning to see the very dawn of some level of an even greater economic and leadership shifting on a worldwide stage. But we can see nations that in the past have been seen as sort of in the background now moving up in the forefront in terms of providing leadership, providing necessary materials to other nations who just a few years ago seemed to be the most preeminent. I think now we're undergoing a moment where we might be at the very beginning of what we'll look back one day and say was the dawn of a new world order. So I'm certainly hoping that our brothers and sisters throughout the continent are able to stay safe and at the same time be able to benefit economically while also providing much needed materials for the rest of the world. Jason, you would think, again, with this here, you would see a far more aggressive attempt in the United States to say keep the money money in-house, as opposed to shipping outside.

Then you have these stories where some states are saying that FEMA is literally sabotaging their efforts and hijacking their shipments. Yeah, I mean, we saw that. And with some of the ventilators in particular, you know, and then the president, you know, gives the ventilators back and says, thank you, Senator, you know, with regard to Senator Gardner in Colorado. And in some cases, as you said, just literally just jacking them. And the fact that we're not producing, you know, our own, as you stated, some of that is due to deindustrialization.

You know, the fact that we, you know, don't produce things here in the United States. And I will say I'm very also very proud, you know, of our African brothers and sisters that are, you know, of their self-determination, because we know China, of course, is involved in a form of debt colonialism. And so anytime we can cut China out of the continent, I think that that's a beautiful thing. However, you know, I have an uncle who lives in Africa as a diplomat. And, you know, testing in Africa is not really up to snuff in many parts. He lives in Zimbabwe. And, you know, I think they had 400

tests there and 200 plus went to government officials. So people in rural areas are not getting the testing. So even though, you know, it seems as though the African continent is doing relatively well as opposed to the rest of the world. We can't definitively say that because there has been some hoarding of resources by the wealthy and powerful on the continent. I don't want to throw water on the parade, but there is some things that are going on on the African continent that aren't necessarily kosher. But this was a beautiful thing that they're doing there and maybe we need to

reach out to Ghana and get some of their PPE. Well, there's certainly things that we need in this country. All right, y'all. You know what time it is.

I'm white. Y'all, you know what time it is. No charcoal grills are allowed. I'm white. I got you, Carl. Illegally selling water without a permit. On my property. Whoa! Hey! Give us your address. You don't live here.

I'm uncomfortable. All right, y'all. So, couple of brothers at an Airbnb in Norfolk, Virginia, where there's a whole bunch of black people. Call the cops, because these brothers were staying there. Roll it. Hello, brother. I'm tweaking. the phone calling the cops bro. This is real here, bro There's no shoes on. You know they don't never wear shoes.

Look at her feet. I don't see any weapons at this time, but I don't know if they have any. No weapons. Yo, she done beat us. Where's the Otama? She crazy. 4768-13338. What's going on, bro?

There's somebody tweaking, bro. She was going for us to come out. Yeah, proper name. What's going on, bro? Weird tweeting, bro. She was going for us to come out. Yeah, probably. We're going out now. We're weirdos, bro. Thank you. Thank you. We can go outside now. We do what we gotta do. Shut the fuck up before y'all are leaving. What's going on, man?

You're not allowed to make noise in this bar. Get that fucking shit out of my face right now. Touch me. Touch me. Oh, you gonna get your gun? Yeah, asshole. Oh, you going to get your gun? Yeah, I know. We showing this to the cops when we get here. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Yeah, yeah, you smart. You really smart. You need to shut the fuck up. You really smart. You need to be quiet. This is a private building. Shut the fuck up. Shut your ass.

This is my safety, bro. Look, she said she about to go get the gun. She about to get the gun and shoot us, guys. Shut the fuck up. Close that fucking door. Y'all are out of here tonight. Look, she look, look. Trying to lock us out of the building we paid for.

Hey, I'm saying that, bro. Crazy. Already called the cops. Now she trying to put hands on people. I didn't touch you. I didn't talk about it. She going to get the gun. Trying to close the door on me.

My ankle a little messed up. Nah, bro. We're not doing nothing. I'm getting food. We better go back upstairs. I just called from 344 West Remason. I just want to make sure the cops are on the way. Please.

Bro, bro. You got to do this for safety, bro. You see she's calling the cops. You got to send her to jail. Okay, bye. It's crazy. Y'all fucking going to jail. Turn the fucking music off.

I can hear it from here. What the fuck is wrong with you? Turn the fucking music off. It is after 3 a.m. in the fucking war. Have you left job? I sleep. Aw, Becky. The police responded and told them that everything was okay

and they get these phone calls all the time. Y'all, it was 3 a.m. I mean, we play these videos, Avis, because, one, these experiences that black people go through, play these videos Avis because one these experiences that black people go through have to deal with and you see the pure insanity

of you can call the cops but now you mad because somebody is rolling on the video and then she wants to threaten them I have no problem helping to make her a viral sensation. Yeah, I appreciate the fact that she did that. She definitely deserves it.

You know, what really gets me with all of these videos, you know, you see a pattern here. The level of violence activity by these white women that's specifically perpetrated oftentimes against specifically black men. And there is a power dynamic there that oftentimes we don't really discuss. I mean, we look at it and see how, you know, ridiculously unhinged her behavior is. But we also know that those men couldn't really do anything to defend themselves without being portrayed as attackers. I mean, she physically assaulted them when she sat there and she tried to close the door on someone. If I was them, if those were my sons, I would be suggesting that they press charges against her. You know, I just think it's very important that we realize that this behavior is not just an inconvenience. It's not just something that we can kind of almost in a detached way chuckle at, the ridiculousness of her behavior.

But we need to call it what it is. This is violent behavior that white women get away with time and time again, and they are wasting taxpayer dollars by calling the police for non-criminal activity. There needs to be some sort of action that would allow individuals like that to be pressed with either press with charges or have to pay some sort of action that would allow individuals like that to be pressed with either press with targets or have to pay some sort of damages for wasting dollars of taxpayers by being sent on these ridiculous and frivolous sort of notions in terms of having police come and waste their time to harass people who are legally in a space

that they paid for. You know, I'm so tired of these videos. And what really insults me is that I never hear what happens to the white women after. There needs to be some sort of action against these folks. Because until there are negative actions associated with this reckless and violent behavior, it will continue to go on. Quadricos, this is also important.

Here's the deal. You are under no obligation to listen to this white woman yell and scream. My deal is I would have went to the apartment, locked the door, and was like, peace. And it's always happened. You are under no obligation. These people cannot detain you. Right.

Roland, I actually think that, and I think I've said this on your show before, we need to start calling the police on these white people, white men and women who call the police on us. Personally, I was I shall never forget. I was in a coffee shop here in Washington, D.C. I had on my suit jacket bow tie. There was a white gentleman who staring at me.

I mean, staring at me. And I called 911 on him. And I said, staring at me. And I called 911 on him. And I said, I feel threatened. There is a man, literally, who I'm 5'6", 140 pounds. I have fear for my life. Police came out. They went to me. I said, I feel threatened.

This man is staring at me. And they interrogated him from that point on. I fundamentally think that we need to reverse this. I'm so tired of watching these crazy-ass white people and these videos. And I think, and to Ava's point, yes, and there are cases we know, of course, in which if the police does come out, it is always usually not on our side. But at the same time, I think there are things that we need to do to protect our own selves, which is either to ignore the situation or to call the police ourselves. Jason.

Yeah, so first of all, I thought that story was hilarious. But I will say that, as we know, there's always been a history of white women weaponizing either law enforcement or sometimes extra legal, you know, means to police black men and police black men's bodies. So that's not new. What's new is the camera. And I have to say, the one little place where I would disagree with you, Roland, is, no, I think they did the right thing in staying there and filming the full entirety of her craziness. And, you know, because the police would have come, knocked on the door, not knowing what was going on,

thought maybe they turned the music down. I could bet I didn't even hear any music, so, you know, I heard her voice, I heard everybody's voice, and I didn't hear her, uh, hear any you know, I heard her voice. I heard everybody's voice, and I didn't hear her hear any music, so obviously it wasn't very loud. And, you know, the one guy came down and said, you know, what's the problem, ma'am, you know, was about as polite as it gets, but yet this woman is losing her mind, going crazy.

I think we need to see that in its entirety. And I think these young men handled it the way that they should have in showing how, as Dr. Avis said, you know, show how unhinged she was and, you know, how she even got violent and basically battered them. I think we need to see every single second of that. The law enforcement, I think they were also very smart when they recorded it. They said, no, we're going to wait for the police. We're going to show them the video of what you did, you know, in between your phone call saying that we had weapons and all this kind of craziness. You know, I think that they handled this in a very mature way.

And so I would encourage all the young men out there, keep filming these people. Keep letting them be seen, not only by your audience on social media, but by law enforcement. I totally agree. I totally agree about filming. but the point I'm making is here. We've seen a lot of these videos where African-Americans feel as if we have to honor

their stupidity by trying to be logical to them. The point I'm making is this here. If there's somebody white or somebody black who's talking crazy to me and I know I'm good, I'm not about to sit there and give you power to where I feel like I'm being detained.

Right. That's my point. Yeah. That's my point yeah that's my point so i agree film her to make her look like a fool absolutely but what i'm but what you're not but i'm what i'm not gonna do is feel like a hostage like i can't go anywhere because your ass crazy. Right. And that to me, I think is what happened. That's what I think would happen. That's how I look at it.

Yeah, absolutely. And you're absolutely right. That's right. Hell yeah, call the cops on them. It's like, man, y'all want to sit here and you look at me. Look, I'm telling you right now. In fact, it's so funny. I was thinking about that. on them. It's like, man, y'all want to sit here and you look at me. Look, I'm telling you right now. In fact, it's so funny.

I was thinking about that because you were talking about how I posted the video. Damn, I need to find it where I ain't chased this white woman down, but I damn sure live streamed her ass. We were on the plane. Oh, I did. We were on the plane.

Oh, I did. We were on the plane, and what happened was we're getting on the plane. I'm sitting in first class. So literally I step in. I tell the guy, and I said, that's my seat. So he steps out. I sit my bag down. I put one bag up.

I could not even get in and she just blows past me. I'm like, what the hell? You know, rude, arrogant. And so, what happened was that the other passengers and I'm the only black person in first class, they started apologizing for her.

Like, their whiteness was like, oh my god, we're apologizing for a white woman. And I was like, this ain't on you. So talked to the flight attendant. So when we landed, obviously, we in first class, we get off first. So we get out. I tie my shoes, waiting on her ass. Oh, yeah.

I waited on her. And then what happened was she comes up and she throws me this dirty look. I was like, oh, pull the phone out. She got to go to baggage claim. I'm walking right behind her. I'm like, you know what? You're rude and you're nasty. Oh, yeah, I was live streaming her behind.

And, oh, yeah, I did. I did. She's like, I don't care. I said, yeah, guess what? We're going to put your face out here. I'm like, you're a rude, nasty woman. That's what she was. And I don't know what the hell her issue was.

She was just so impatient. Here's what I think it was. I'm being straight up honest. I think what happened was she was probably in the first group. And you know how you walk up and they say, I'm sorry, hold on one second, please. Yes, sir, please come on up and scan your ticket.

I think she was mad as hell that that happened. I've had those looks thrown. I'll say this here, Quadricos. The closest we get to white privilege is when you got status flying and they make somebody

wait for you to come for you to scan your ticket. That's right. As long as we as black people because, you know, they'll do that. I'm sorry. Excuse me one second. I'm sorry. Yes, sir. Please come on up. No, ma'am. Just wait a second.

You're in group one. He's first class. You're in group one. I was actually going to say, I think she was mad at the fact that you were in first class. And I would have taken a step further. I would have gotten off a plane, called 911, and said she assaulted me. Because I think. And she did.

I mean, and she did. She did. Yeah. We need to stop giving white people power. And to your point, with those brothers in the video, I would have reversed it and called the police on her, saying, I feel threatened. She's yelling. She's threatening our lives.

She's cursing. She potentially has a weapon. We need to stop fundamentally giving white people our power. Mm-hmm. Amen. Jason? I mean, Abel, Jason, go ahead. I'm just going, all I have to say is amen to that.

That's a drop the mic moment to say is amen to that. That's a drop the mic moment. I completely agree with that. I 100% endorse that suggestion. Yeah. All I can say is I haven't leveled up

to the point where I've experienced that first class white, close, adjacent white privilege. I'm not there yet, but I hope to be soon. And, you know, I agree with what Quadricos is. You know, there are plenty of historical examples where black people have every right to feel threatened when white people get aggressive. So I think, you know, calling the police or whoever you can call is not a bad idea.

Hey, it all works. All right, folks. Quachicos, Avis, Jason, I certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Thank you very much. Thank you. All right, folks.

First of all, we always talk, of course, on Mondays. We have our health segment. So in just a moment, Jessica Lane is going to join us. Folks, if she's on the line, go ahead and let me know. But I want to do this here. Today I'm going to do a couple of birthday shout-outs while we're getting Jessica Lane on the show. Greg Carr, of course, oftentimes on our show. I want to show this photo here.

Go ahead. This is Greg Carr and I on the set of News of Roland Martin Unfiltered. Greg, of course, graduate of Tennessee State University. And so you see him looking all clean right there. And so that's Greg. Today is his birthday. And then Greg actually posted a video that I thought was pretty interesting because there were some other birthdays today that he was celebrating.

And so let me go ahead and pull this video here. And so here we go. This is Greg Carr offering you some reading books on April 27th. Hey, everybody. April 27th is the shared birthday of several watershed figures in black intellectual genealogies. Hubert Harrison is one born in St. Croix, friends with the Garveys, and also one of the most important thinkers of the early 20th century is my friend Jeff Perry's Hubert Harrison reader, where he's got a lot of his words and his thoughts. I want to make sure you're able to get in the sound here.

This is volume two of Hubert Harrison biography, volume two coming soon. Coretta Scott King was born April 27th in Marion, Alabama. Her sister, master teacher Edith Scott Bagley, who was at Cheney for a number of years in the arts, wrote a great biography of her. And speaking of the arts

and drama, let's talk about august wilson frederick august cattrell born 1945 in the hill district of pittsburgh kicked around several high schools got a great self-education at the carnegie library of pittsburgh joined the army for a year got a little money from his sister the following year and at 20 years old started writing poetry published some of that poetry in black world negro digest check out the september 1969 issue um on google books you can look it up and then joined a theater company in pittsburgh said he was inspired by the four b's the blues baraka or jorge borghez and um and then he moved at age 33 to st paul minnesota where he joined the umbra theater company which is still there and they produced the first of what would become his century cycle. He said, I'm going to put black American culture on stage, and I'm going to write a play for every decade of the 20th century.

One of the last plays he wrote was the first one in the cycle, where he has a 285-year-old black woman bring the memory of Africa and enslavement and endurance to the family, and it carries them all the way through. Are you battling over culture? Ma Rainey's Black Bottom, the only play not based in Pittsburgh. Are you battling over culture, whether it be Two Trains Running, where the brothers got to make a few decisions? Do you have your ancestors with you? The Piano Lesson, the great Joe Turner's come and gone,

shining like new money. King Haley III, Radio Golf, Jitney, dealing with questions of gentrification and fences. How do you resolve conflict between women and men, fathers and sons? August Wilson, this is a great book because it traces all the places he's talking about in his plays. August Wilson said, the ground on which I stand is African ground. This is a speech he gave at Princeton. Y'all need to start with this. He says, I am an African. We are Africans. We are going to preserve our culture. We need black

theaters. We need black institutions. And I will live and die on the ground of Africa. There's only one daily digital show out here that keeps it black and keep it real. As Roland Martin Unfiltered support the Roland Martin Unfiltered Daily Digital Show by going to RolandMartinUnfiltered.com. Our goal is to get 20,000 of our fans contributing 50 bucks each for the whole year. You can make this possible. RolandMartinUnfiltered.com. You want to check out Roland Martin Unfiltered? YouTube.com forward slash Roland S. Martin. Subscribe to our YouTube channel.

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All right, folks, just a couple of more. Also, today happens to be the birthday of Senator Cory Booker. And so today is his birthday as well. And so this was a birthday greeting put out by the CBC Institute for his birthday. And I do want to give one more shout out before we go to Jessica Lane. Today is the 31st Alphaversary. So you see that's why I'm rocking my Alpha shirt today. And so 31 years ago, I crossed the burning sands, Alpha Phi Alpha, Powell McCrown Chapter, Texas A&&m university those are my line brothers uh kevin phillip roberts was a was the first black drum major

in the history of texas a&m university uh the top there is my uh number two john williams i was number three at the bottom there uh is uh freddie ricks in the blue shirt he was number four paul stafford is number five uh so this is a happy day for us, but also a sad day for us because, again, we crossed April 27th, 1989. And you see Kevin in his Aggie Corps. Kevin actually died in a plane crash today when his plane crashed in Oklahoma in 1999. And so certainly it's a happy day for us and a sad day. So I just wanted to give a shout out to my LBs. Oh, six?

All right, go ahead and do that. All right, folks, every Monday we have our segment Fit, Live, Win. We try to talk about keeping you healthy and fit. And so you might remember when I did a boxing segment with my homegirl Jessica Lane out of Atlanta and so she joins us right now again her she's all focus to try to keep us fit and trim and healthy and active as we stay in the crib due to coronavirus just goes up. I'm doing great doing great I what you right, what you got for us today?

You know, people are stuck. Even though they're talking about opening gyms, I would not advise anybody to go to a gym with this coronavirus crap being all over the place. And so what can we do at the house to stay active, stay fit, burn some calories, and build up a good sweat? Listen, first off, there are so many exercises you can do in the comfort of your own home where you don't need any gym equipment at all.

The first one, and I'm doing this exercise specifically for people, anybody that has arthritis that has, like, a lot of people use excuses. I have arthritis. I can't do this. I can't do that. You don't need to move at all. So what you're going to do is go into a plank position and you're going to hold it right here. Make sure your glutes aren't too high in the air and make sure you're not too descended. You're just

going to hold this. Make sure your hands are directly under your shoulders and then also if you have weak wrists or weak joints there, you can come on your forearms and hold it right here. Okay? So try to do that. Alright, so what does this exercise do? What does this exercise do for you? It's a

full body exercise. So, it works your core, it works your abs, it works literally your back muscles as well as your body. Like, literally, you will start shaking. It works your arms as well. So, I would say, anybody that like wants to tone their arms, do it on your hands, of course. But if you're too weak to do that, then do it on your forearms. Okay. All right. What else you got for us? All right. So the next exercise is kind of like that. It's a plank variation. So what you're going to do, this is a cardio exercise. You're going to go into mountain climbers from that same exercise. So literally, you're still in that plank position,

and then you're going to move your knees all the way to your chest like this. No planks. No planks. Oh, Lord. Seriously? Can you hear me? Seriously? A plank?

Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. Not a plank. Jessica, can you hear me? Can you hear me? I can hear you. I can hear you as well. We a plank. Jessica, do you hear me? Can you hear me? I can hear you. I can hear you as well. We see you, no problem.

So first of all, I hate planks, but first of all, what does a plank do for you? It works your entire core. It works your abs, abdominal muscles. It makes sure that you have full stability over your entire body because a lot of people, like a lot of people when they get older, they have back problems, especially lower back problems doing planks is like great to help that

okay all right so so we so we broke up there the video broke up so what do the exercise again explain what it is and and and how many reps should we do how many like what how long do we hold it 60 seconds two minutes what do we do oh How long do we hold it? 60 seconds, two minutes, what do we do? Oh, my God, that's absolutely crazy. I was literally doing two exercises over here. I had no clue it broke up. So what you're going to do, you're going to hold that plank for one minute. So, again, you can do it on your hands or you can come on your forearms

and make sure your body's not too descendant. Make sure you're not too high in the air. Hold it straight like this, and you're going to hold it for one minute. I want you to try to work yourself up to three minutes straight to start off. A three-minute plank? Yes, a three-minute plank, Roland. Ooh, ooh. You're being brutal.

Roland is the most dramatic person in the world. No, no, no. I'm not dramatic. I'm just saying I mean three minutes is a long time okay three minutes a long time okay all right three minute plank I got you okay that's two exercises down what else what else we got okay so you got you got the mountain climbers right I'm not sure the video cut out on yeah yeah we got it the last are plank jacks, so it's still in that

variation. So we're here. You're opening your legs like you're doing a jumping jack, so you're opening just like this. That is for a full body. Now, of course, you could do jumping jacks in the air. There are tons of exercises you can do. You can do jumping

jacks in the air. You could do wall sits where you literally go to a wall and just hold it and make sure your body's at 90 degrees the whole time. That will work your legs, but literally that's a full body exercise. So the core and the plank is the abs, the mountain climbers is cardio, then doing the plank jacks, that works your legs, and then going to the wall, you want to wall it here and make sure your legs are at 90 degrees. Okay. So we got, so we got the,

so you got three different exercises. You should do that. So what, what the 15 minutes, 20 minutes, one minute, one minute, five reps of each exercise.

So that will turn out to be like, if you do one minute, five reps. So that's five exercises, five reps of each exercise. So that would turn out to be like if you do one minute, five reps. So that's five exercises, five times. That's about 25 minutes. 25 minutes. 25 minutes. So do each one of those one minute, five times. Yes.

Okay, how long is the break? How long is the break? How long is the break. You could do a break from women as well. You to the plane try to get up to 3 minutes. Listen you will thank your body and a lot of course you're starting off with a minute. That's 30 seconds, 30 seconds. Okay. All right, then.

So, all right. So, now, obviously, the workout stuff is fine. But the reality is if you're going to lose weight, 80% of it, what did you tell me? What did you say? 80% of it is nutrition? 80% of it is nutrition. So, you guys, while you are in quarantine right now, please pay attention to what you put into your body. A lot of people, especially because we already know African-Americans are the number one, like the main demographic that's dying from this disease. Now, we know that doesn't have to do with like what we put into our bodies.

That's dealing with like socioeconomic factors and things of that sort. But a lot of people that are dying are also dying who have like predisposed dispositions or any health disparities and stuff like that. So a lot of people, we have obesity, we have cholesterol issues, we have diabetes. So pay attention to what you're putting into your bodies. I will say stay away from packaged products. So try to eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. Of course, during quarantine, make sure you wash them off very, very well. But making sure that you're just not eating a lot of processed foods is like the main thing all right then so just just get

people you know what since because you're also a nutritionist just just give us a basic if you want to say you know what what's a healthy day of meals what what are we talking about we're talking about what what are we talking about here we're talking about the oatmeal are we talking about talking about what we're talking about here until we talk about the old me. Oh, it's been talking about I mean what we talk about do we do salad out of all. What do we have. I love this question because so many people feel like they have to eat born to eat healthy and that's not the case at all so like when you wake up in the

morning, you can say boring. Okay, let's not like yeah, no, no,'s stop right there no no no no no no let's stop an omelet but what's in the omelet what's is it just do we put bell peppers do we put bacon in it finish no no bacon no bacon no bacon so we could do spinach we can do onions we can do i don't know if you like jalapenos, tomatoes, you could just have egg whites with it, depending on your cholesterol levels. And just use olive oil to spray down a pan, of course, but that is wonderful.

I love omelets. Egg white omelets are the best. Okay, all right, so egg white omelets. So you get rid of the yolk? I do. I do, yes. Okay, gotcha. All right, so egg white omelet. So you get rid of the yolk? I do. I do, yes. OK, gotcha. All right, so give us, now, here's

the thing that always gets me, these snacks. Because we're supposed to have a snack between breakfast and lunch. Yes. Look, I can't do celery sticks and carrots. I can't. Yes, so you can literally, well, Okay, so do you like peanut butter? Look at that.

Oh, hell no. I hate peanut butter. I hate the smell of peanut butter. What just happened? No, we're here. We're here. We're connected. We're here. I still hate peanut butter. Jessica, you there?

Yes, I'm here. I don't know what is wrong. Like, my internet has been working all day, and all of a sudden, it just sucks. Can you hear me? Nah, that's your cricket phone. That's your cricket phone. That's what it is. Oh, my iPad.

Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you. Okay, you said peanut. I don't like peanut butter. So what else you got for me? Okay, so you got, okay, what is one? Okay, a great one is you can do yogurt and put, like, cinnamon in it.

It's amazing. You can do tuna. I don't know if you like tuna, but tuna and crackers are great. You can do turkey tacos, like, turkey tacos, lettuce wraps. Okay. Now, that's the snack or the lunch? I use that as a lunch. I mean, I use that as a snack.

My lunch is way, way more compact than that. So, like, for lunch, I will literally eat, like, sweet potatoes and, like, more of a meal. Turkey tacos will be, like, my snack because I eat so many meals throughout the day. So typically somebody will say you need three main meals and then two snacks in between that. I eat mostly like three to five meals per day, but it's short meals, if that makes sense. So I would cut my calories up in those meals. So like for me, my second meal, I would eat something like turkey tacos, lettuce wraps. Does that make sense? Okay.

Yeah, that makes sense. Got it. Now, when it comes to eating, okay, so, all right, now here's the thing. This is the last question for you. Okay. I keep hearing you shouldn't eat after 7 or 8 o'clock. Okay, but what happens, though, if your work schedule is different? So, I'll just give a perfect example. I normally don't go to bed until 4 or 5 o'clock, but what happens though if your work schedule is different? I'll just give a perfect example.

I normally don't go to bed until 4 or 5 o'clock in the morning because I wake up at 11. My show's at 6. I'm done at 8. Normally, for other folks

who get off at 5 and they go to bed 5 or 6 hours later, that's sort of what my clock is. And so what do you do when we talk about when you eat and how you should eat or whatever? So for me, because my schedule is kind of like the same way, do not look at the times per se. Look at your duration.

So when you wake up you need to have your first meal 30 minutes after you wake within that time frame of course if you're not doing fasted cardio or something like that but to get your metabolism regulated as soon as you wake up after those 30 minutes occur you need to be eating within that time frame and then start your meals from there so if you, I'm not sure like what your body composition is and stuff like that to tell you how many meals you need to eat per day. But let's say you ate five meals a day. You would literally time it after that hour. So let's say you did 30 minutes when you wake up. And then let's say you did three hours after that,

you have your next meal. And then after that, you have your next meal. So it doesn't really matter like about the whole time. Don't eat after 8 o'clock or whatever because as you said like your metabolism is still running that late at night got it okay all right this is also this is really last question right here okay this thing that that people talk about when you work out i had one trainer she said you should not focus on how much time you work out another trainer said you shouldn't be trying to count calories when you work out okay so what the hell do i do do i is it is it like for today i did the elliptical i was on 32 minutes uh i burned like

410 calories should i should it be 45 minutes should it be 500 calories what's the deal so the first trainer was right quality over quantity it doesn't matter the duration of how long you work out because let me tell you you can literally do a very intense exercise or workout where you do let's say 10 sprints that literally take 30 seconds each right so if you did 10 sprints at 30 seconds that's five minutes on a treadmill and you will burn way more fat than the average person that walks on the treadmill for one hour on a three speed does that make sense so it depends on how efficient that that that regulation is that's occurring so when you talk about people doing high intensity interval

training and things of that sort um and then in terms of counting your calories um that trainer is right as well because think about it if you run a mile on the treadmill walk or run is typically about 100 calories if you eat a banana you literally put 80 calories right into your body immediately after that now of course it's great for oxygen levels your o2 levels and stuff like that but you want to make sure that you have a good balance so strength training is great to make sure that like your metabolism is still running once you do once you finish that because you have like i know time and time again you have like people that are i won't say like obese or whatever but you have people that don't really understand how to work out and they'll go walk

and they will get discouraged because they don't see results at all but they're not doing anything that is helping them that is intense enough to burn that fat off of their body. That makes sense. So a person here, a person on a YouTube channel says, treadmills are useless in my opinion, waste a lot of time, little muscle development. But is that part of the problem if you're walking flat? Or should you take it up to an elevation of eight nine or ten on the treadmill so great great question because i actually have a treadmill here i would show you

there are tons of things that you could use a treadmill for um but it depends on how you're working out so a waste of time is exactly what that person is saying if you just get on a treadmill and you put it on three speed and you literally walk 60 minutes like okay great you know what i'm saying you might see the miles on the treadmill but typically people are holding they're hovering over the treadmill and they aren't really working can you hear me yeah i got you we got you go ahead we got you. Go ahead. We got you. Keep going. Oh, my God. This is stressing me out. Can you hear me?

Yes, we got you. Go. Okay. Okay. I'm so sorry. Okay, so, um, where was I? So, on the treadmill. The treadmill. So, you can put it on three speed and then walk 60 minutes Where was I? So on the treadmill. The treadmill. Yes. So you could put it on three speed and then walk 60 minutes or whatever the case may be.

But a lot of people, they're hovering over the treadmill. They aren't really using their energy efficiency. So what I would say is definitely put the incline up. And then, like, you could put the incline on 10 or 15. Take your hands off. put it on four speed, and it's equivalent to running like three miles. Your legs will be burning. Your legs will be burning.

Yes, they will. Your legs will be burning. You will be breathing hard. But what it is is it's putting your body at like an elevation. So it depends on how you use the treadmill. And also, even if it's on flat speed, you can just run sprints. Like you can run 15 sprints. And I used to do something where I used to have like this little interval that I used to go up. So I would start at seven speed and then I

would run 30 seconds. This is for beginners. Start at seven speed, run 30 seconds, then like hop to the sides, or you could take it down and walk 30 seconds, then put it on 7.5, then walk again. And those numbers aren't that high. If you need to, you could start at 4 and then go to 4.5, then 5, 5.5, 6, and 6.5. If you're a little more advanced, start at 7, 7.5, 8, 8.5, and 9, 9.5. Then you go back down. Okay? That will end up being six points.

Alright, Jessica Lane, we appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. How can folks reach you? You can email me or you can go to my Instagram. It's Jessica Lane, I-T-S-J-E-S-S-I-C-A L-A-I-N-E or you can visit my website at fightforyourlife.org F-I-G-H-T-S-J-E-S-S-I-C-A-L-A-I-N-E. Or you can visit my website at fightforyourlife.org, F-I-G-H-T-F-O-R-Y-O-U-R-L-I-F-E.org. And lastly, I have a fitness app that just came out.

It's called Just Fit. So if you go on Apple or Android, you can see it. It's a purple icon. And literally, it will get you all the way right. My fitness partner, her name's Tawanda, Tawanda Braxton, the Tony Braxton sister. We did a fitness app together, so it's all levels, incorporating beginners, intermediate, and advanced.

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