#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Damaging medical expert testimony in Chauvin trial; Diddy calls out GM; Biden gun control exec order

Episode Date: April 9, 2021

4.8.21 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Damaging medical expert testimony in Chauvin trial; Diddy calls out GM, wants more money spent on Black biz; Pres. Biden announces executive order on gun control; Battle for voting rights expands from Georgia, to Texas and now Kentucky; New poll finds Black voters have high opinions and expectations for the Biden/Harris administration; Pamela Turner, a pregnant black woman was shot by Texas police; Crazy-a$$ Black Fox News commentators speak on systemic discrimination + Crazy a$$ man thinks he is being vilified for the color of his skin.Support #RolandMartinUnfiltered via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered#RolandMartinUnfiltered is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Day nine of the Derek Chauvin murder trial. She's more damning testimony. Folks, three minutes. Remember that time. Dr. Martin Tobin, a pulmonologist who describes how George Floyd died. Trust me, when you hear what he had to say, wow, stunning. Sean Diddy Combs, founder of Revolt TV, blasting corporate America, especially General Motors, saying it's time to pay up to black-owned media. We'll show you that letter.

President Joe Biden announced executive actions on gun control today. We'll show you what he had to say and talk with Dr. George's Benjamin about why gun violence is a public health crisis. In voting news, we'll tell you the latest what's happening in Georgia, Texas, and Kentucky. And in Georgia, Governor Brian Kemp says if voters get hungry while standing in line to vote, call Uber Eats. Really, dude? In Kentucky, voting laws are being expanded, unlike in other Republican-controlled states. And voting rights groups are asking corporations to do more to fight voter suppression laws. We'll have all of those details. Plus, a new voter poll commissioned by the Black Futures Lab shows black voters have high opinions of the Biden-Harris administration,

as well as high expectations for results on critical issues. Lisa Garza, who runs the Black Futures Lab, will join us. Plus, we'll tell you about the tragic death of Pamela Turner, a pregnant black woman shot by police in Bel Air, Texas, in some part of Houston. Attorney Ben Crump will join us with those details. Plus, we really need it. First of all, there's a couple of things we're going to do. We're going to have a crazy-ass white person segment, a state legislator in South Carolina. Y'all won't even believe what this fool had to say about black people and black families. How we can't hold jobs.

When I read for y'all what this white man said, y'all gonna trip out. And we might as well call this crazy-ass black people. Wait till I show you what a so-called black civil rights attorney said on Fox News, how Jim Crow and racism has been gone since 1964.

Yeah. It's time to bring the funk on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Let's go. He's got it. Whatever the piss, he's on it. It's time to bring the funk on Roller Martin Unfiltered. Let's go. politics with entertainment just for kicks he's rolling he's broke he's fresh he's real the best you, he's fresh, he's real, the best you know, he's rolling Martel now. Martel. Stunning, shocking testimony today in the trial of ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin. Chauvin, it focused on the cause of George Floyd's death. Prosecutors called a

respiratory expert and a forensic toxicology expert to the stand to adjudicate George Floyd's demise. Folks, this is stunning what took place in the courtroom today. Watch this. So we see here that he reaches a level of zero of oxygen at 20, 25, 41. And so at that point there's not an ounce of oxygen left in his body, in his entire body at 20, 25, 41. And so was the knee then lifted off of his neck at the point there was no more oxygen in his body? No, the knee remained on the neck

for another three minutes and two seconds after we reached the point where there was not one ounce of oxygen left in the body. Thank you, Doctor. Have you formed an opinion to a reasonable degree of medical certainty as to what the cause is or was for the low level of oxygen in Mr. Floyd. Yes, I have. Would you tell us what that is? The cause of the low level of oxygen was shallow breathing.

Small breaths, small tidal volumes, shallow breaths that weren't able to carry the air through his lungs down to the essential areas of the lungs that get oxygen into the blood and get rid of the carbon dioxide. That's the alveoli at the bottom of the lung. Officer Chauvin's knee is coming in and that's compressing in against his side as well. So the ability to expand his left side here is enormously impaired. And also you're seeing that the size of the chain between the two, the right side and the left side, is very short. he his whole left arm is also being pulled over and so it's preventing him also from expanding the right side i've been focusing on the bucket handle and

the pump handle on the left but you can also see here that these are impaired his ability to expand his chest and of course the key factor you must keep that isn't kind of in a sense seen here in one sense is the street the street is what is having a huge effect because he's jammed down against the street and so the street is playing a major role in preventing him from expanding his chest as we, you're seeing a more clear view here, how it's been really rammed into the back of his back. There's just no way he's going to be able to expand that. But with the left image, you see the finger on the street.

Then over on the right image, you see his knuckle against the tire. And to most people, this doesn't look terribly significant. But to a physiologist, this is extraordinarily significant. Because this tells you that he has used up his resources, and he is now literally trying to breathe with his fingers and knuckles. Because when you begin to breathe, you begin to breathe with your fingers and knuckles because when you begin to breathe you begin to breathe with your rib cage and your diaphragm the next thing you recruit after that is your sternomastoid muscle which is the big muscle in your neck and then when those are wasted up then you're relying on these types of muscles like your fingers to try and stabilize your whole right side because he's totally dependent on getting air into the right side. So he's using his fingers

and his knuckles against the street to try and crank up the right side of his chest. This is his only way to try and get air to get into the right lung. Do you have an opinion to a reasonable degree of medical certainty as to whether a person who had none of those pre-existing health conditions, a healthy person, would have died under the same circumstances as Mr. Floyd? Yes, a healthy person subjected to what Mr. Floyd was subjected to would have died as a result of what he was subjected to. So Mr. Floyd's ratio is roughly just a little bit below the median ratio in DUI.

So in post-mortem cases, we know fentanyl concentrations can be much higher than norfentanyl concentrations because frequently these are deaths due to fentanyl. Other drugs may be present, and there could be other reasons for the death. because frequently these are deaths due to fentanyl. Other drugs may be present, and there could be other reasons for the death. It doesn't say these are all fentanyl intoxications. But just looking at it as a whole, with a large amount of data, this is what we observe. Joining us right now is Attorney Ben Crump, of course, who represents the several family members of George Floyd's family. Ben, this was amazing to listen to what the doctor said, walking through this thing in a very methodical way. So that was first. But the second thing, Ben, is the prosecutors have been

extremely deliberate how they are walking this thing down with the emotional testimony in week one, setting up the week with the officers and then ending the week here with this particular doctor yesterday as well. Your assessment of how this has been going so far. Well, I think it's extremely compelling what Keith Ellison and his team have been doing. And they have been very strategic, as you said, Roland Martin, doing the lay witness, the emotional witnesses and other police officers for the first time that we've seen in a profound way come out from behind the blue wall of silence and tell the truth, hopefully setting a new precedence in America. But the day was really, I think, the nail in Derek Chauvin's defense, Roland, when you had these expert witnesses tell us so convincingly

what was the cause of death that was consistent, Roland Martin, with what we saw the first time we saw that video where George Floyd was tortured for nine minutes and 29 seconds. They corroborated what we saw on the video with the medical science. And so I think for any juror sitting there, it is more than enough evidence to hold Derek Chauvin criminally liable for killing George Floyd. I think when you begin to examine, again, this very methodical nature, we've watched the defense really be cornered and trapped, if you will, by having actual police officers, even on the force, testify against Derek Chauvin.

Yeah, and it was riveting, Terrence, and I don't know why it still is riveting. That's what police should do in every case, but we never see it. Roland, you covered Laquan McDonald's case a lot as well, when a young brother was shot 16 times in the back. And even in that case, the police chief and the department still said that it was a justified shooting and killing of that young black man. So this is really a powerful and unusual testimony that we saw happen in the Derek Chauvin trial regarding the death of George Floyd. And just hear that black police chief

really go and so matter-of-factly say that this was absolutely unnecessary, what Derek Chauvin did was just powerful testimony. Obviously, the defense has not had an opportunity to present their case. This is all on the prosecution right now. But just your assessment of how this has gone thus far in terms of how they have presented and laid this case out. How is the Floyd family feeling about what they're seeing and hearing each day in these last nine days? Yeah, and Roland, they're praying a lot.

You have met this family there from your home state, and they are cautiously optimistic. I know Attorney Monique Presley and I talked to them some today about why we feel that the state is doing a good job. And we know we've been doing this long enough, Roland Martin, to know we can't take a conviction for granted. But this is the best prosecution of a police officer charged with killing a black person in America that I have seen in my professional career. So I'm very grateful to Attorney Keith Ellison, the first black attorney general in the state of Minnesota who's a Democrat.

And when you compare that to Breonna Taylor, Daniel Cameron, this black attorney general who's a Republican, and how he did everything in his power to exonerate the police, it goes to show you that black voters matter and elections have consequences. Well, let's talk about this case in Texas, where on her 46th birthday, the family of an unarmed black woman was shot and killed by Baytown police officer. In May of 2019, they filed a federal law, civil rights lawsuit today. Pamela Turner encountered Officer Juan de la Cruz,

and she was in emotional distress. De la Cruz was indicted by Harris County Grand Jury in September 2020, more than a year after Turner's death. He's charged with felony aggravated assault by a public servant. Ben, you put a year after Turner's death. He's charged with felony aggravated assault by a public servant. Ben, you put a video out, and this took place in Baytown, Texas or Bel Air, Texas? Baytown, Texas. Okay, Baytown, Texas. And so Baytown, folks, is east of Houston. So if you're traveling up towards

Beaumont, Texas, towards Louisiana, you would go through Baytown. I know it very well. I have lots of relatives who live there. And this was, I saw a video that you put out on Instagram describing how heinous this is. I want to play that and then talk about it. So here we go. If you were outraged when you saw the video of how police tragically killed George Floyd in Minneapolis, Minnesota,

then you should be equally outraged when you see the video of how the police tragically killed Pam Turner, an unarmed black woman in Baytown, Texas. I was walking. I was actually walking to my house. I was like, shut the f*** up. You actually arrested me. You actually arrested me. I was like, why? Why? I didn't even go to the street. I was pregnant. I was pregnant.

I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant.

I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I was pregnant. I'll break it! It is shocking and stunning, Ben Crump, to watch that video and to think that

his only way of containing her was to shoot and kill her? Yeah, it is just so outrageous, Roland, when you think about it. Attorney Devin Jacob and I filed a federal civil rights wrong for death lawsuit, and it goes to this disrespect for black women. I mean, to shoot her down like a dog when he could have did any number of things.

Monique Pressler and I talked about how he could have created distance. He could have called for backup. He could have got behind cars. He could have yelled verbal commands. He could have did any number of things other than fire five shots, hitting Pamela Turner three times,

one in the face, one in the chest, one in the stomach, and this unarmed black woman who was on her back screaming, I'm pregnant. I mean, Roland, if you are outraged by George Floyd, we've got to get outraged

in justice for Pamela Turner. Breonna Taylor's mother, Tamika Palmer, came to Houston to stand with Chelsea Rubin, the 23-year-old daughter of Pamela Turner, who has pretty much been fighting a lot alone by

herself. So I'm so grateful, Roland, that you're covering this matter, because we need everybody to stand with our Black women. We got to protect our Black women. They cannot be killed like this and nobody say a word about it. And this took place

in 2019? Two years ago? Two years ago, May 13th. And so we're going to march on Baytown on May 13th. If you're free, we would love to have you come back home to help lead the effort. Because I do think this is going to continue to grow like Breonna Taylor. And it's one of those things where Breonna's mother is going to come.

We're going to show the world that her life matters. And get this, Roland Martin. He's still employed by the baytown police department he is still a cop he is still a cop was he put on was he put on death's duty well they they have him uh i guess on death's duty or whatever but they have not terminated his employment yet and when you think about the disrespect between black women and what they get, when George Floyd video went public,

how he was killed, in 90 hours, they terminated all the police officers. I asked at the press conference when we were there with Tamika Palmer, how long did it take for them to fire the police officers after they killed Breonna Taylor? And she told me it took nine months for them to fire the police officers after they killed Breonna Taylor? And she told me it took nine months for them to fire the police officer after they killed her daughter, who was in her own apartment. And now it's almost two years, and Baytown, Texas, still hasn't fired the police officer.

That is absolutely shocking and stunning. And so certainly keep us abreast of the developments in there. And you said there's going to be a public demonstration on May 13th? May 13th, the two-year anniversary. Okay. All right then. Oh, and also, Roland, the trial, the criminal trial is set to begin on May 25th, which ironically is the one-year anniversary of the killing of George Floyd.

Wow. That is. And also the officer was indicted. What was the charge? It was assault by a public officer, like a manslaughter charge, not a murder charge. Not a murder charge. Right. Wow. Ben Crump, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much. And let me say this here. Ben, while I have you, I need people to understand. Ben Crump does not try criminal cases.

I need to say that, Ben, because I get all these people and they comment on YouTube and on social media. Big Crump keeps losing these cases. You're not the prosecutor. The attorney for the family cannot prosecute cases. You can't indict anybody. You can file a civil lawsuit. You can negotiate settlements for families, but you don't get to prosecute anybody. Exactly. The Seventh Amendment of the Constitution say all the private law you can do is file a lawsuit for compensation for wrongful death. It's the Tenth Amendment. The prosecutors are who they should be upset and holding accountable. But, Roland, thank you for always giving a voice

to educate us and engage us, and most importantly, empower our people. You are so necessary to the culture. Ben, I certainly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. We'll talk to you soon. God bless. Man, that video there is shocking, stunning to sit there and witness.

And the fact that it took place two years ago and just finding out about it is even more stunning as well. Just unbelievable. Let me go to my pound. Dr. Greg Carr is chair, Department of Afro-American Studies at Howard University. Amisha Cross, political analyst and Democratic strategist. And Brittany Lee Lewis, she's a political analyst. Glad to have you both. Brittany, to see that video, that's a pregnant black woman.

And I keep going back to this issue of sending police off. The woman's in emotional distress. You, we keep sending cops, people who are trained to kill people to resolve these, these mental issues. This is what happens. And you get these white cops

whose first instinct is, oh, I can't control this black woman. Boom, boom, boom, you're dead. Let me just say, first off, I'm still shaken by watching the film. I'm almost to the point of tears because

they truly do not view us as humans. That is, and I think that's the thing that hurts me the most. They do not view us as humans. And I think this goes back to the bigger question, right? You know, if this trial, if that video that we just watched, if all of the years, the years, the decades, the centuries of police brutality and Black Death at the hands of the police doesn't teach us anything, it's that police training is not a full-on solution to this problem. We can't train them into viewing us as humans. We can't train them into respecting us. It's a band-aid to a much more complex issue. And I know I always say this on the show, but again, we have to go back to the roots

of policing and why policing exists in the first place. It is certainly not to protect and serve us as black folks. And I hope that we can continue to demand to, you know, defund the police for this very reason, because like you said earlier, this is not, not only do they not view us as humans, but they're also, even if they are to stay in place in the current, you know, in the current way that they are, you know, they are not trained to deal with medical emergencies. They are not trained to deal, at least not adequately, and they shouldn't be dealing with these issues because they don't have the necessary skill set.

So I pray that we continue to push for defunding the police and thinking of new ways to envision public safety. Greg Carr, it is indescribable to have to talk about these type of videos. There are people who say, yo, we shouldn't show them. But too much of me is like Mamie T. Mobley. No, America needs to see what they did to my baby. Because if we act as if, no, no, no, no, don't show it. That's just too much.

No, no. It needs to be seared in the minds of America. Agreed. I agree with what you said, Brittany. We have to now not rethink, but really think about public safety. We are not part of the public. Not only are we not human, we are not living creatures. We are a threat to be neutralized. This bastard, La Cruz, shouldn't be comfortable in his bed at night. He shouldn't be comfortable on the job. He shouldn't be comfortable going back and forth to the job. He should be living in the same fear for his life that we live in.

At that point, we could talk about a common framework. There is no common framework. Black people are to be killed. Black men are to be killed. Black women are to be killed. Billie Holiday's birthday was yesterday. She was handcuffed to the bed that she died in by the goddamn federal government, agents of the police, because she was not a human being. Pamela Turner cannot receive justice. Justice would be at least restoring her life, and it'd be beautiful, wouldn't it be, if we could just exchange De La Cruz's life for hers. Every time you pull your taser out, you punk. You get tased yourself. Every time you shoot, empty your clip into a black woman, those bullets go into your body. What we saw in Minnesota today, we can't be distracted.

And later on we'll talk about voting rights. But the parallel is this. What Nelson, Eric Nelson is counting on, the defense attorney for Chauvin and his team, they're counting on one person in that jury who does not look at black people as human. So while we are all, as human beings, bowled over by Dr. Tobin's description today, that all the oxygen had left George Floyd's body and that cracker kneeled on him for another three minutes and two seconds, as we heard the testimony yesterday of all the experts that said this isn't a question of meth or anything else that killed George Floyd, understand that the logic at play, whether it be there in Texas or in Minnesota, is this. Is there one on the jury who will say and agree with Nelson's cocktail of meth, rage, criminal?

He's a big criminal. And there was a mob threatening me. So that they say, like that cop shooting the sister, you know what? You had to do it, man, because these are dangerous things. There is no common framework of understanding. So until we understand that, until we understand that, and showing these videos maybe gets us a little step closer, but we then have to change the language to interpret what those videos are showing us.

Until we understand that, we will continue to bark up the wrong tree in this country and start talking, I can't believe it, I can't believe it. No, not only should you believe it, you should expect it, because this is the thing that this criminal enterprise was set up to do since the day that these people showed up on these shores and did it to the Native Americans. Amisha, we talk about reckoning. We talk about where we are. We dealt with people who, oh, no, no, no, no, don't say defund because we don't want to get the white folks riled up.

This is where we have to be so hardcore that we say, no, no, no, we will not stop. We will not stop. I mean, Sunday was the 53rd anniversary of the murder of Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. And I've interviewed Reverend Jackson, Ambassador Andrew Young, Bill Lucy, Reverend Dr. James Lawson, all the individuals who were there, who were in Memphis. And what is still stunning to me is to hear them say that even as they sat in room 306 of the Lorraine Motel, hours earlier, he had been murdered. Their focus was, we cannot stop. We will not stop. John Lewis told me he didn't grieve for another three months.

What I'm saying is to this generation, we got toatcheted even more, put even more pressure. We saw we saw those protests last year. Yo, we can't let America sleep. I'm sitting here. So so when being said and I'm looking now and again, folks, this is what happens when you don't have to seek permission. I'm looking here. Give me a second. Yeah, I can go ahead and say it. We'll be in Baytown May 13th to broadcast that march. We'll be there. I don't have to ask anybody else's opinion. We have to keep this stuff front and center

because MSNBC is not going to do it. CNN is not going to do it. Fox News is not going to do it. We have no choice but to continue to press and press and press. No, you're absolutely correct, Roland.

And to your point just a few moments ago, our mere existence as black people in this country causes white people to be riled up. We don't have to be doing anything but living and raising our kids. And at the end of the day, white people are going to be riled up. Let us not, you know, get highfalutin and actually want to have rights as ensured by, you know, us being born under the red, white, and blue right here in these United States and actually pushed to have our civil rights recognized, that's us taking a bridge too far. I feel like what we're seeing right now,

and I hate the term racial reckoning, I really do, because racial reckoning is thrown about in this country whenever the rest of the globe sees us and asks, what the hell are you doing, United States? How do you actually police the entire rest of the globe about, you know, about having these anti-democratic standards, about their humanitarian, their failure to actually recognize humanity? Meanwhile, in your own backyard, you are treating black people worse than dogs. You are holding your knee on people. You are holding your knee on the neck of a man. And we're watching this trial continue to go forward where we've heard from a pulmonologist who made it very clear in no uncertain terms that the knee on the neck of George Floyd, the cutting off of his oxygen, was what caused his death. Not any level of drugs, not any past drug history. Nothing in that day would have caused his death other than the knee on the neck.

And he made it also clear that it could have been you or I or anyone else who was an otherwise healthy person with no prior history of drug abuse whatsoever, and had a sustained knee been on our neck in the exact same framework for over nine minutes, we would not have made it either. So I think that what we're seeing here is basically, again, a televised process of brutality against African Americans. And, you know, I would hope that we see jurors that understand what's going on. I don't have a very strong hope for it, but I do hope that we see jurors that understand what's going on. But also that African Americans

of all ages aren't lulled away by this and have full recognition that, yes, corporations are signing these pledges. Yes, we're seeing some movement by them in terms of heralding Black Lives Matter, but it's going to be more than that. These same corporations play this song and dance every few years after there is a major issue where an African-American, unarmed African-American dies. Then we watch as soon as it's no longer at the helm of MSNBC or it's no longer played on loop on CNN, when those stations no longer care, guess what? That outside world no longer cares either. But we still have these issues facing our community every single day.

So I do thank, you know, our forebearers when it comes to the civil rights movement, our forebearers who were able to continue to carry that, to carry that lantern, to continue to force change, even though they watched, you know, the folks who watched Martin Luther King die, who marched with him and then sat in the room and had those conversations and were able to somehow keep their mourning within themselves, but continue to do the work that is worth doing. That's the work that we all have to do and all have to be invested in, because as we can see on a daily basis, our very humanity is at risk because the greater society, the white society that continues

to ignore our existence and our existence is not only humans, but people that are worthy of being treated equally. That's not something that they're willing to do. And that's not something that the majority of them are actually willing to even stand for. Give you a little, but not too much. But if you start talking about equity in general, no, because that puts you on the same framework and the same platform as them. And they don't want that. And they will fight to the end to eradicate it. That's the reason we saw the January 6th insurrection. That's the reason why people won't let go of a lot of these theories that they call Trumpism that existed long before Trump, but actually were said out loud during his presidency. It's not going away anytime too

soon. And I think that we have to be invested in this long haul fight because that's what we're in for. Folks, look, I'm making the commitment. We'll be there. Pamela Turner, May 13th, the protest that will take place in Baytown, Texas, which is not far from Houston at all. We want to see as many of you there. I will get details from Ben Crump and others with regards to all of this information to provide it for you. We will make our way down there to broadcast that as well, because again, we need to be able to keep the focus on that. We'll also find out if that trial is going to be broadcast like we're seeing the George Floyd trial right now. And so

we're going to make sure that we carry it right here on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Got to go to a break. We come back. We're going to talk about vote, gun control in this country. Shocking and stunning. Even as President Joe Biden today spoke about gun rights, what ended up happening? Mass mass shooting in South Carolina. I understand right now. I saw the notice about an hour ago, mass shooting in Bryan, Texas, which is about 90 minutes from Houston, Bryan College Station, Texas. And so all of those things are there. So we will discuss uh that next don't forget folks to support what we do the dollars that you give to support roller martin unfiltered allows for us to

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to me this is what you're describing is exactly what urban leagues around the country should be doing what other black organizations should be doing. Again, maximizing our capacity or maximizing our infrastructure to actually build capacity. Yes. Yeah. No, we have to build on what we have because the sad part is individually, in many cases, we don't have it, but collectively we do. And really that should be the point of black organizations. How do we take our collective capacity, put it together and then use that to really make a difference? And, you know, quite frankly, sadly, you know, having been doing this since I was 16, we're not nearly where I thought we should be. And that's why I said this year and going forward and the rest, we really have to do some bigger, bolder things. Like we've merged with a legacy organization named Grace Hill.

The other part is we have too many not-for-profits. We have, you know, quite frankly, too much need for back office and infrastructure and PR. And we need to come together. There you go. Black TV does matter, dang it. Hey, what's up, y'all? It's your boy, Jacob Lattimore. And you're now watching

Roland Martin right now. Eee! Gun control is a major issue in this country. America is a violent, violent nation. Let's just cut to the chase. This nation loves its guns, but what must we do about it?

Earlier today, President Joe Biden unveiled his plan designed to begin revamping federal gun policy. Here's what he had to say. And today I'm announcing several initial steps my administration is taking to curb this epidemic of gun violence. Much more need be done. But the first first want to rein in the proliferation of so-called ghost guns. These are guns that are homemade, built from a kit that include directions and how to finish the firearm. You can go buy the kit. They have no serial numbers. So when they show up at a crime scene, they can't be traced. And the buyers aren't required to pass a background check to buy the

kit to make the gun. Consequently, anyone, anyone from a criminal to a terrorist can buy this kit as little as 30 minutes, put together a weapon. You know, I want to see these kits treated as firearms under the Gun Control Act, which is going to require that the seller and manufacturers make the key parts with serial numbers and run background checks on the buyers when they walk in to buy that package. The Justice Department has 30 days to come up with those ghost gun regulations. The Justice Department also has 60 days to issue a proposed rule to clarify when a device marketed as a stabilizing brace effectively turns a pistol into a short barrel rifle subject to the National Firearms Act requirements. They have 60 days to publish model red flag legislation for states. Red flag laws allow family members or law enforcement to petition for a court order temporarily barring people in crisis from accessing firearms if they present a danger

to themselves or to others. The Biden administration is also investing in evidence-based community violence interventions. Community violence interventions are proven strategies for reducing gun violence in urban communities through tools other than incarceration. The Justice Department will issue an annual report on firearms trafficking. Biden also announced his nomination of David

Chipman, a former special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives, to lead the ATF. Here's what Vice President Kamala Harris had to say about President Biden's gun control initiatives. Time and again, as progress has stalled, we've all asked, what are we waiting for? Because we aren't waiting for a tragedy. I know that. We've had more tragedy than we can bear. We aren't waiting for solutions either, because the solutions exist. They already exist. People on both sides of the aisle want action. Real people on both sides of the aisle want action. So all that is left is the will and the courage to act. And President Joe Biden has the will and the courage to act.

All right, folks, of course, gun violence is a leading cause of premature deaths in the U.S. Guns kills more than 38,000 people and cause nearly 85,000 injuries per year. Just to understand how serious, again, just today in Bryan, Texas, one person shot and killed four others critically wounded when a suspect opened fire inside of a custom cabinet manufacturer. Not only that, what also took place last night, which is just stunning. Ex-NFL player Phillip Adams, he killed five people in South Carolina before taking his own life. Killed his doctor, 70 years old. Dr. Robert Leslie killed his wife, Barbara, who was 69, and killed two of their grandchildren, ages five and nine. And an air conditioning technician, James Lewis. Joining us right now, Dr. Georgia C. Benjamin, the executive director of American

Public Health Association, who believes that gun violence is indeed a public health issue. Doc, explain that to people, okay? If we declared a public health crisis, a public health issue, what does that even mean? Oh, well, listen, if it hurts people, it kills people as ours. And we think that there are ways that we can do to both make the firearm itself safer, right, make people safer with their guns, and make the environment safer with guns and people in it. So let's take, for example, the number of people who've picked up a firearm, thought the gun was unloaded, and the firearm goes off. They didn't intend to hurt anybody.

They certainly weren't trying to kill themselves, but the gun went off. But, you know, there are things that you can put on a firearm to let you know that they're still around in a chamber. You know, even when you move the clip, it can still be around in the chamber. You know, we can personalize guns. Right now, nobody can use your cell phone without, you know, putting a fingerprint or a face print on it. Well, you can do that with a gun. It's complicated.

There are wristbands you can put on your wrist to prevent that firearm from firing. And the technology is not necessarily perfect, but it can certainly reduce the risk. Firearm training, making sure that people get licensed to get a firearm, making sure that if you have a domestic violence offense, that the firearm can be temporarily removed from your home, because that knows that can put you at higher risk or putting your loved one at higher risk. Look, we kill the people that we know.

We overestimate the safety of firearms, and we underestimate the danger. And that's the real challenge that we have. But we think through a public health approach we can do this. Look, let's go background checks. That's another. So here's the question. As we unpack this thing, as we try to sort of lay out in terms of what do we do and where

do we start, you have powerful lobbying groups in this country who they flat out don't want to see what you talked about. They don't want to see anything. They want to operate where it don't matter. We could just keep having as many guns as possible. Well, you know, we know that we have more and more guns in fewer and fewer hands. First of all, we have more guns in our nation than any other nation on the planet. And we kill people far more frequently than any other nation on the planet. Even other places that have firearms that with relative abundance, they still have less firearm-related deaths and injuries than we do in our country. So, yes, we have to push back very hard on those groups. We have to put in place sensible, rational gun laws.

And by the way, most Americans agree with that prospect. It's many of our elected leaders that haven't gotten on the case and actually doing this. And a lot of it is because of these very, very powerful lobbies, primarily the National Rifle Association. What should listeners, what should they be doing? What should they be stepping up, pushing? What do you want the public to be doing? Well, I think the public should demand action. You know, I think when we see all of these mass shootings, look, we've had over 130 mass shootings this year alone already.

And the public needs to understand that the things that they agree with, particularly around criminal background checks, universal background checks, closing the Charleston loophole. Those kinds of things are essential. And they need to call their elected leaders, you know, write them a letter, send them a text, show up at rallies, you know, with your mask and be socially distanced because COVID's around. And I think it's very important that people speak their voice and let these elected leaders know that we're not going to tolerate this anymore. And if they're not voting what you're conscious and what you think they ought to do, then, you know, get somebody in office that will. Dr. Benjamin, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much.

Thank you. Congresswoman Lucy McBath, of course, who lost her son Jordan to a crazed, deranged white man who did not like the music being loud, who's now in prison. She was in the White House Rose Garden today for that announcement. This was her speaking on what happens when families see there are issues with loved ones who grab a gun. Listen. I met earlier this week with Mary Miller Strobel, whose brother Ben was a combat veteran suffering from depression and PTSD. Ben had lost 30 pounds after his tour. Returning home, his father asked him about his weight loss. Ben replied that he couldn't eat, and he said, I quote, it's just so

hard out there, Dad. It smells like death. Ben was seeking treatment at a local VA hospital, but his family continued to worry about him. They worried that in a moment of desperation, Ben might end his own life. Mary and her father drove to every gun store in their area. At each store, they showed photos of Ben pleading with them not to sell him a gun. Ben Miller died by suicide. He used a gun that he bought at a local gun store. Too often we are told that we must accept these tragedies. We are told that instead of changing our laws we must have more active shooter drills, more first graders coming home with tears in their eyes, six-year-olds asked to decide for themselves whether they are more likely to survive by hiding in a closet

or if they should rush the gunman. More mothers reading messages from their children as they are locked inside a school. And they're pleading, Mom, if I don't make it, I love you and I appreciate everything that you've done for me. More vigils each and every day for those that we continue to lose. Too often we are told that we must accept these tragedies. I refuse to accept that. Millions of Americans across the country refuse to accept that. This Congress should refuse to accept that. This Congress should refuse to accept that. We refuse to accept that because we have passed bipartisan legislation that will help save lives. Legislation like

the Bipartisan Background Check Act, a common sense bill that will keep guns away from those who should not have them. And we have passed H.R. 1112, the Enhanced Background Checks Act, which would close the Charleston loophole. We've passed a bill that gives the CDC and the NIH $25 million to study gun violence, the first of its kind in over 20 years. I've even introduced a bill that would give loved ones and law enforcement more tools to keep guns away from those who are in danger to themselves or to others.

Tools that may have helped Mary save her brother Ben's life. I am not convinced that this nation truly gives a damn about the issue of guns, Amisha. I think this is nothing more than a sick and demented country who loves their guns more than they love their own God. And you know, Roland, you're not going to find any disagreement here. I think that it speaks volumes that our country has more guns and more people with access to guns than any other nation on Earth. And we don't have those as a nation because people are afraid that their property is going to get stolen or they're afraid that somebody is going to protect their interests and that they were going to arise fear and mass fear in anyone who they believed was going to be or going to approach that interest or try to take it away. And that means we've seen the proliferation over time with the fight against the civil rights movement. We saw the crazies during the insurrection. We see the threats that happen on a regular basis.

We also know that no matter what, and to be honest, I thought after the babies were shot at Sandy Hook, we're talking about three and four year olds, that we would see something happen at the federal level. To see Republicans push so hard against it year after year after year. I don't know how many high school shootings have happened since Columbine, but we've seen so many. I was one of those kids who learned those drills in the third grade, how to hide, what to do if someone breaks into your school and you don't know how many gunmen there are. That is something that we shouldn't have to teach kids across this country. If you aren't black and brown, the odds of you growing up in a community where this isn't episodic violence, this is violence that happens on a daily basis. That is very high. And I think that what we're watching with the Biden administration right now is them saying, finally, work that up. Enough is enough. The fever pitch and the temperature across America is that we need to do something about gun violence. Gun violence has increased over the years. It has

definitely extrapolated not only for those that we see in these massive shootings, these mass shootings, but also in domestic violence. One of the largest issues with the domestic violence situations that we see across this country is that many women don't stand a chance because their abuser has a gun. It is one of those situations where we could have nipped this in the bud a long time ago. We could have closed the loopholes. We could have advanced common-sense gun reform. We could have advanced it at the legislative level. We've seen the bills. The bills have been passed in the House time and time again. What we see is that he stalled in the Senate because the Republicans will not move, and they won't move no matter what happens. And I think that what we saw today was a president who is leaning in not only on what he knows about this being a public health threat, but also

leaning in on organizations from across the country, many of a public health threat, but also leaning in on organizations from across the country, many of them black-led, but also other community organizations and organizations who've been fighting and been engaging in this fight for a very long time. He wants evidence-based solutions. He wants, again, to stop these loopholes that continue to pop up. He wants to be able to ensure safety across multiple communities. And we're not going to see a ton of Republicans get on board. Actually, we're seeing Republicans push for lawsuits right now before this thing is even fully, you know, it hasn't even had a day to settle on the nation. This is frustrating, but this is who they are.

They do not care about gun violence. They want to continue to proliferate guns. They don't care who dies. They don't care about the stories. They don't care about the one that we heard, that we heard Congressman Babb talk about today. They don't care about the stories. They don't care about the one that we heard Congressman Bax talk about today. They don't care about the suicide levels. They don't care about the children who are being abused. They don't care about the women who are being

accused. And they don't care about the mass shootings. All they offer is thoughts and prayers because that's all they want to give us. Again, Greg, this is, you know, who is so most enthused? All these white conservative evangelicals talking about the Lord and they pro-life and all that sort of stuff. Where are all these pro-lifers against that cop who shot and killed that pregnant black woman?

They are pro-life. They're pro-white life. Guns are not a question of technology. Guns are a question of culture. A gun is an extension of a white phallus. The technology for propulsory weapons was not exclusive to Europe. The Chinese had the technology for centuries. The Africans, in fact, when they would trade guns to pressure Africans to enslave other

Africans and put them in enslavement, the Africans would take guns when they would trade guns to pressure Africans to enslave other Africans and put them in enslavement, the Africans would take guns and they would use them not against other Africans, they would fire them in the air to signal. They were like prestige pieces. The gun has a unique background in Western culture, as Amisha has said. The gun is part of an attitude that says, I am human, you are not, and I will take anything I want from anyone, and that includes women. Now, why is that important? Well, we just heard Amisha say it's very important. You

know, we talk about this ATF nominee that Joe Biden has put up. I would encourage people to Google the name Ty Jones. In 2013, Ty Jones was the last director of the ATF to be confirmed in the United States Senate. They have been acting directors all, ever since they made the ATF position a Senate confirmable position, I guess it was 2006, I think they did, Ty Jones, ironically, in the Obama administration, scraped through after they strong-armed Lisa Murkowski to come on the other side. Why is that important? Obama administration, scraped through after they strong-armed Lisa Murkowski to come on the other side. Why is that important?

Last year, Donald Trump had to withdraw his nominee, who used to be the damn head of the Fraternal Order of Police, because the white nationalists said they weren't sure about him with gun laws. There will never be gun law legislation passed by the United States Senate as long as the white nationalist party is in control. There is no split in the Senate. The white nationalists are in control, as Uncle Joe Meacham, the cosplay coal miner

out of West Virginia, or Kristen Sinema. The only way we're going to resolve this is to finally understand something very basic. There is no we in this country. They will kill each other. We're just an afterthought. You got to break the back of white nationalism to get anything done in terms of government in this country. They will never confirm an ATF director. There'll probably be another acting

director and any gun law legislation they think has any hint of passing. They will fight it till the last dog dies. And I said that not as a euphemism. Brittany? Brittany? Yeah, I mean, everything that they've said, absolutely. And I said that not as a euphemism. Brittany. Brittany. Yeah, I mean, everything that they've said, absolutely.

You know, it's like on the one hand, I'm like, I don't want to belittle this tiny effort put forth by Biden for, you know, even if one life is saved by the red flag legislation, I'm happy. I've lost my sister to gun violence. But this simply isn't enough for an epidemic. And I'm glad the administration acknowledged, at least they said it, that what's been put forth is not a substitute for any meaningful legislation to address the gun violence in this country. But we know this is a difficult fight. It really is no fight at all, because the Republican Party, and to an extent sometimes too, they're not willing to budge in any capacity. And they don't even agree that this is an epidemic. That's the crazy part. How do you negotiate with folks that think and posture that way? I mean, even when you think, Roland, of the pornography of violence and weaponry, which is so prominent, specifically within the GOP, it's essentially almost like one of their essential parts of their culture wars. So the GOP keeps its base in a large way by furthering a cultured division, right, whether that's gun safety, immigration, or more recently we saw it with, or we continue to see it with vaccines and COVID. So, you know, Republicans see guns as a

winning issue for them. It's a way to stay in power by telling folks that the Democrats are going to seize their weapons. With those politics, bipartisan legislation, I just don't think it's realistic. I mean, AR-15s are part of people's campaign strategies. They know that to brandish those guns is to show that they're against the Libs. So for them, even if you nudge an inch on this issue, it is to say that you're against the party. And what's crazy about all of it is it's literally just symbolism. It's not like they're brandishing guns with any type of reforms or saying that we want to have these guns, but here's how we're going to do it in a safe and controlled manner.

That's not the question. It's literally a symbolism. It's literally used as a litmus test for the level of, for your conservatism, if you will. So, you know, we have to continue to push harder and demand legislative changes because, quite frankly, you know, the gun is the symbol of America. The gun is the symbol of white supremacy. This country loves its guns and they would rather, or what's his name? It was the Charlton Heston. You're not going to pry their gun out of my dead hand, whatever the hell. I mean, that's how crazy and deranged they are about guns.

I don't get the fascination. I'd rather go play golf. I don't get the fascination with guns in this country. I seriously, I shot a machine gun one time with the FBI Citizens Academy, and I was like, this it? This what y'all excited about? I literally said, this it? That was no feeling.

It didn't, I don't get it. I don't get it at all. Gotta go to a break. Don't get it at all. Hi, Greg. I said, because you are a man

and you have, your manhood is intact. See, so you, you know, that's what Mark Taylor Green too was looking for, her manhood as well.

And again, and for me, real clear. OK, if you if you want a gun. Look, there were a lot of black people in the civil rights movement who had guns protecting themselves in the woods of Alabama, Mississippi. Charles Cobb wrote the book, said this nonviolent stuff will get you killed. You had the deacons of deacons of defense. So. So the issue for me is not. Oh, absolutely not. The problem I have is when these people who are going like, oh, no, I should be able to have five hundred thousand guns. Oh, they use the militia argument. And it's like, what the hell are you talking about? And guess what? Those same people who was a rabbit about guns. That's who's at the Capitol on January 6th. So be

very clear about who you might align yourself with. I got to go to a break when we come back. Y'all, we got some other news we're going to cover, but wait until I show you this video of this absolutely idiot. Leo Terrell on Fox news, decrying Jim Crow has been long gone. There's no systemic racism in America. If y'all want to see a minstrel show, we have one for you. Roller Mark unfiltered back in a moment. Who needs a little love today? Who needs some love sent their way?

Who needs love? Who needs love? Who needs a little love today? Who needs some love sent their way? Who needs a little love today? Who needs some love sent their way? Who needs love? Who needs love? Who needs love? To me, this is what you're describing is exactly what urban leagues around the country should be doing,

what other black organizations should be doing. Again, maximizing our capacity or maximizing our infrastructure to actually build capacity. Yes. Yeah. No, we have to build on what we have. Because the sad part is individually, in many cases, we don't have it. But collectively, we do. And really, that should be the point of black organizations. How do we take our collective capacity, put it together, and then use that to really make a difference?

And, you know, quite frankly, sadly, you know, having been doing this since I was 16, we're not nearly where I thought we should be. And that's why I said this year and going forward and the rest, we really have to do some bigger, bolder things. Like we've merged with a legacy organization named Grace Hill. The other part is we have too many not-for-profits. We have, you know, quite frankly, too much need for back office infrastructure and pr and we need to come together there you go hi i'm kim burrell hi i'm carl painting hey everybody this is sherry shepherd you're watching roland martin unfiltered all right folks doing an interview on last night's

newsmax newsmax wake up america program ge, Georgia's Governor Brian Kemp actually said voters standing in line for extended periods of time should order Uber Eats or Grubhub. People can bring their own water, their own food. That's accurate, right? Yeah, absolutely. They can order a pizza. They can order Grubhub or Uber Eats. Right. Such a dumbass. Now, while there are several voter suppression bills being introduced across the country, no, more than 300, Kentucky has passed House Bill 574 in efforts of expanding early and absentee voting. Kind of important, the bill includes measures such as no-excuse in-person absentee voting on Thursday through Saturday. In the week,, immediately preceding a primary or an election and sets the voter registration deadline two weeks before elections.

It also includes the implementation of a portal that will give live no more that will go live no more than 45 days before a primary or an election and an automatic recount trigger for vote margins of point zero five percent or less for constitutional officers, members of Congress and members of the General Assembly. That, of course, became a controversial topic during a race between Biden and Trump. Also today in Dallas, the Texas Right to Vote Coalition hosted a socially distant rally and press conference calling on Texas businesses to stand

against statewide voter restriction bills. Breonna Brown, the deputy director of the Texas Organizing Project, spoke at that rally. Let's do a roll call. AT&T, Southwest Airlines, Pepsi, Frito-Lay, Valeria, Whole Foods, Amazon, Facebook, Google, Apple, Salesforce have all had a presence here in Texas. And they need to first use their voice to speak out in full support of our efforts to enfranchise everyone and make sure that voter suppression bills are a thing of the past.

In addition, these businesses should cease all contributions to Texas elected officials sponsoring, supporting, or voting in favor of these racist laws. Also, Mitch McConnell, y'all remember him? He said that a court race, y'all need to stay the hell out. Just don't say anything. Just let's do what we do. Then the next day came out. I said that inarticulately. That's not really what I meant.

Please keep sending your money. Greg Carr, these folks are absolutely laughable. And I love how they mad, big mad, because folk are deciding what to do with their own their money. This is real simple. If your asses don't want to be targeted, don't pass dumbass bills.

That's true, Roland, and you know, the thing that is encouraging to me, for me in this very specific instance is, the more that we are informed as to what we can do. And this is, again, why everybody please support Roland Martin and filter. It's critical.

The more we're informed, the more we will understand our capacity to influence. What I mean by that very specifically, number one, these white nationalists have coordinated these efforts. These bills are all connected to each other. I think I suspect one of their strategies, this is almost obvious, too obvious, but I'm going to say it anyway. They've got to think of the metaphor of the bull and the red cape. The real threat is the matador, not the cape. The minute you realize that the cape ain't the threat and they see the bullfighter,

that's when the bullfighter got to pull out the sword and kill the bull. The red cape is to UberEAT stuff. Oh, yeah, you can order UberEAT, so you can bring out . The red flag is to voter ID stuff. Important, but not as important as the heart of these bills. The heart of the legislation is to control the local elected officials. See, the white nationalists are going to hold on to power at all costs. If it means states' rights, fine. But if it means the state can come in, and this is what the Georgia bill does and this is what the proposed Texas legislation does, they're going to substitute the will of the white nationalists where they're in control at the state level for that of the local elected officials. That's the real issue. Now, how does this relate to our power? See, it's one thing to boycott domestically. Yes,

American Airlines is in Texas. Yes, AT&T gave $574,000 to the last campaign, that shovel-mouthed racist Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas. But here's the thing. American Airlines has access to airports all over the world. This is why black people need to understand this is not just a domestic issue. You need to start asking, particularly, they're very competitive, but there are airlines all over the world. In Asia, there are airlines in Africa, the Caribbean. You need to now contact your cousins and all your allies internationally and say, guess

what? AA is not welcoming Oliver Tambo International Airport in Johannesburg. It's not welcoming London Heathrow. It's not welcome until y'all say something. See, stop thinking about this as a domestic issue. That's the only way white nationalism works, is when it can shrink your vision to just your little place. These backers are playing on an international field,

and they've formed up like gold trying. It's time for us to do the same. Omisha. No, I agree with everything that was just said. I think that Dr. Carr put it perfectly. What we're looking at here is a Republican Party that hoots and hollers and screams down over and over again against cancel culture. Meanwhile, they're trying to cancel boycotts. They're people who are trying to cancel entire industries because they don't like that those industries are speaking up against the abuses against Black people and civil rights. That is an irony in and of itself. But beyond that, I do think that it's important to acknowledge that these are global businesses, and a lot of their funds comes from that global

network. It's important to understand that the civil rights abuses in America also affect civil rights and how civil rights is seen abroad, and how Black people are seen abroad as well. There's a frustration that I have with this process because I do think that a lot of the information about the Georgia law has been lost and caught up in a, oh, people aren't going to be able to get water. It's beyond that. It's very important to recognize that removing the leadership power from the county, from local electeds, and investing it in an appointed position, which is what they're trying to do, invested in an appointed position from the governor's office that allows for them basically to change the results of an election if it goes away they do not like. In addition to that,

quelling the sheer number that we saw in November of Black people who were able and eligible to vote, they're decidedly trying to shrink it en masse. And these are frustrating things. And no, nobody is going to stand in a line to vote and order Uber Eats. Hell, if the line is that long and you can wait 45 minutes for Uber to show up, there's a problem with your voting process already. I think that the governor of Georgia is a complete idiot in and of himself, but he's standing on this. He is laying his hat on this and he, and the Republican party is fundraising like hell off of it. Let's not forget that they are raising millions. This is something that we need to, you know, hammer down on. And it's not just in Texas. It's not, it's not just in Georgia. I mean, the Republican party writ large, this is

part of that larger culture war for them. Annihilating black access to the vote means that they stay in power, means that black people don't have leadership potential, means that black people don't see equity, means that black people do not get to change the face of this nation. And that's what they're fighting for. They're fighting for the exact same things they were fighting for pre-civil rights movement, the exact same things they were fighting for during Reconstruction. And they see a country getting more black and more brown by the day, and they are fighting to stop any type of leadership potential, but also any type of progress on the front of equity. And I think that is extremely disgusting, but it's not just Georgia.

You see people taking this, you see Republicans taking this as basically a manual and handbook of how to do this in other places, and they are raising the funds to do it. Follow the money. Bottom line is here, Brittany. They mad that we actually have an opinion. We get to talk back now. I guess they

ain't got that memo since Jim Crow ended. Oh, yeah. According to our boy, Jim Crow is just gone. It's gone, it's over, it's done with. No, I mean, I agree with everything that's been said. They white supremacists want to keep white supremacy alive and well, and they're going to do everything that they possibly can to ensure that that happens. And I think that they're not only upset that, you know, we're taking the reigns role in

as individuals, but I think it's a little ironic that Republicans are even telling corporations to stay out of politics as if, you know, corporate entities are not directly intertwined with the political process. Like, make it make sense. It's unfortunate. And I think that we're going to continue to have to fight because white supremacists are going to be white supremacists. That's how they roll. Bottom line is, I just love how they just so mad that we now get to actually talk back, Greg, and don't have to bend over to their wheel. I just love how it just drives them crazy. Brittany's right. I mean, thank you for mentioning it, Brittany.

I mean, that Citizens United case in 2010, they were all for, you know, they all for corporate support, but now they really worry. And of course, you know, the corporations have a really serious, I mean, Amisha, man, that's so true. I mean, these are global corporations and the world is majority nonwhite, overwhelmingly nonwhite. They are, you know, imagine the propaganda value. I'm so glad you mentioned the civil rights movement. Part of the reason we got movement

on Brown versus Board and all those things is because the Chinese, the Russians, and the Caribbean nations and the African nations coming out looking like, we don't want the United States as a partner. Look how you're treating black people. They are on the verge. They are risking it all. You understand? And of course they're mad, but the people, the maddest are the ones who feel it all slipping away. And guess what, baby? It's all slipping away. So they just going to have to be mad, Roland. And I think they're going to get a lot madder. Don't you? Yeah. Suck it up because we ain't going nowhere. It is simple as that. All right, folks, on behalf of Black Futures Lab's

HT Strategies, we conducted a poll of the black community's feelings on politics and justice. The poll included 600 voter and non-voter respondents, including LGBTQ, immigrants, low-income, and rural dwellers. One of the key findings of the survey was that satisfaction with the direction of the country is on the rise among black people. Joining us now is Alicia Garza, principal for Black Features Lab. Alicia, how you doing? Hi, Uncle Roland. How you doing? I'm doing good. Let's talk about this survey. And so for you, you always got people out there complaining, whining, blah, blah, blah, blah. But based upon this survey, black folks feel real good about these first few months of the Biden-Harris administration? Absolutely. I mean, look, we all knew that black folks were in an untenable position under Donald Trump and his administration. And so it's not surprising to see that black

communities are satisfied with the direction of the country, especially when we helped push it in this direction in record numbers and push these campaigns over the finish line. I think what's important for us to understand about these poll results that we did in partnership with Hit Strategies is that, yes, Black communities are largely satisfied with what's been happening in the first 100 days, but we're still deeply concerned about the progress that we're making on some of the fundamental issues that are impacting our communities, from relief and recovery, from the COVID-19 virus, to jobs in the economy, to climate change, to white nationalism and racial terror. Black communities, as we see in the poll, are feeling like our government is not doing enough to address these issues. And so while we're happy with what's happening now, we're saying that it's a first step,

but that we have to go farther and build back bolder. And that's the thing that I explain to people. Black people can say I'm satisfied with the direction, but it does not mean that we still don't want to see stuff done. That's right. That's absolutely right. And, you know, it's interesting because, you know, every few years, right, we're talking with our communities and we're telling people you've got to turn out and vote, that your vote is your voice and all of these things. But with black communities in particular, we have the experience of showing up to save the country from a crisis by saving ourselves, but not getting the results that we need from the government. And essentially, when you ask Black folks who are voting, you know, do you feel like you're getting from your vote what you thought you were going to get? Do you understand why you vote? People say,

I mean, I do it because I know I'm supposed to, but not necessarily because it's that they're seeing changes in the rules that have been rigged against our communities for a long time. This is really important for the Biden-Harris administration to pay attention to. It's not enough that black voters showed up to push you over the finish line for our own survival. We have delivered a mandate in that push that you address the issues that matter most to us. And you have to not just build back better, because we know that even before the Trump administration, things were not good for our communities. We are counting on this administration to build back bolder. We think it's great that

there's an American Relief Act, that there were $1,400 stimulus checks that were put out. We think that's wonderful. But at the same time, what we found in this poll was that the majority of people that we talked to, the overwhelming majority, were in favor of monthly checks until the pandemic is over. We were in favor of raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour. We were also in favor of taking more bold and aggressive action on climate change, dealing with environmental racism, dealing with reparations for communities that have been devastated by environmental racism. We also talk about in this poll that what we want to see is more action taken on white supremacy and racial terror. And as we look at the events that have unfolded over the last year,

what we know is that white nationalism is on the rise. And as of today, there has not been a sufficient response to protecting communities who are under attack. Questions from our panel. Let's first start with Brittany. Yeah, quick question. So I'm excited. I do want to know, are you guys able to provide this data? Who are you providing this data to so that they can see what our concerns are? Absolutely. Well, we've been in conversation with many different people in the administration trying to push this Build Back Boulder agenda and using these polling results to show that there is widespread support for this. But I got to tell you, Brittany, the other thing that we're doing

is organizing our communities to make our voices heard with those same people that we are getting access to. And so I think for us, what we need to make sure that this administration hears from us is that we didn't go back to sleep, that actually the work just began right now, and that they need to call on us to help shape their policies to change the rules that have been rigged against us for so long. Let's go to Amisha. Oh, this feels like a game show. Alicia, thank you so much for the great work that you're doing with Black Futures Lab. I'm extremely proud of that and glad that you have a vocal voice in the policy drive for this White House. I wanted to ask you, how does the research that you've done and that you're pushing drive with or jive with what we're seeing from the Lift Every Voice plan that we heard about

on the campaign trail but haven't really seen that much movement on since the administration took office. What are some of the alignments that you have with that plan? And are there specific things in it that your research can actually point to and add some assistance to actually moving that lever? Sure. I mean, look, when we look at our Build Back Boulder mandate, I'm going to tell you, it is not a radical agenda. This agenda is literally setting the floor from which we need to begin these conversations. And the ceiling, you know, is what we're driving toward. But we don't have alignment necessarily about where we start. And so as a result, when we start to talk about how to deal with economic inequality, you know, the Lift Every Voice plan kind of really dives into things like

homeownership, right? It dives into, you know, investing in HBCUs. It dives into some of the very traditional things that we talk about when we're talking about wealth and asset building. That's good. But the reality is that there are so many of us who are working in low wage and precarious jobs. So many of us concentrated in the service sector without access to unions. I mean, look at what's happening in Alabama, right? And we never seem to talk about how to address income inequality, how to address poverty from that perspective. Not everybody's getting to a place yet where they can buy a home. Literally, most people are trying to keep a roof over their

heads. And so I think that the Lift Every Voice plan, right, is really a combination of lots of enduring ideas about how to address some of the most biggest challenges of our generation. But I would say that the Build Back Boulder plan is really taking on some of the contradictions within those solutions, and it's offering a concrete legislative roadmap for how it is that we make Black Lives Matter, not just in Congress, but also in city halls and state houses across the country. Thank you, Roland, and thank you, Sister Alicia, for all your work and the work across the country. All right. Thank you, Roland, and thank you, Sister Alicia, for all your work and the work of the team as well. You know, in reading the report, a couple of things jumped out to me,

and I guess this would lead to my question. Given the fact that it looks like about half the folk polled make $30,000 or less, and, you know, it's interesting. And maybe what, 28% were polled when asked, said that nothing, the voting really doesn't change anything for me. I guess my question really is, how do you view what we need to do to help folk understand? I know there were a couple of questions toward this on the poll, but help people understand that no matter who is heading the executive branch, without a working majority in the legislative branch, this agenda will stall. I assume that the enthusiasm we're showing is tempered by the fact that we understand that.

But how do we help people better understand it so that, you know, it doesn't look like, see, we voted for y'all and nothing happened. I mean, how do we help people understand? Really, it's really the legislature at this point that might be even more important than any, you know, than Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. Well, look, I think I want to zoom out from that question a little bit, because when we're talking about people feeling like their votes don't matter, they're actually saying something very profound, which is that the people that they are showing up to put in the legislature are not moving their agenda forward. And that's something that we really have to sit with, especially for Black voters who are turning

up and turning out in every election cycle. For an entire group of voters to say, we are participating and not getting much from our participation is very concerning to me for the state of our democracy. And it leads to a level of cynicism that government can fix anything. And so where that becomes complicated is that that cynicism also aligns with our opposition's agenda, which is essentially to dismantle government because they see it as a barrier to unfettered profits. And so this is the place where I feel like we need to dig in. I think black voters understand that there are processes that have to happen in order for laws to change. But I think we also understand, right, that political will is driven by a lot of things. Certainly it's driven by

numbers in a legislature, but it's also driven by the values of our society and what we think are priorities and who we think are priorities. And when we see that on both sides of the house, right, that nobody is jumping up to enact new laws for black people, that they're dragging their feet on holding white nationalists accountable for literally smearing feces inside of their own governing house, we have a big problem here. So I think the work that we're doing is engaging the two million black voters that we talked to in the last election cycle. I think a lot of what happens is that we tend to leave legislators to do what they do. We think that the last step in the voting process is to cast our vote and get somebody in office. But actually, that's just the first step. The next step is making sure that they are being held accountable to the agenda that you set for them when you put

them in office. And so that's what we're up to at the Black Futures Lab and the Black to the Future Action Fund. And I will tell you that when this next cycle comes around, we are paying very close attention to who it is that's been moving our agenda and who's been standing in the way of it. And I can tell you that if we have anything to say about it, anybody who's standing in the way of progress at this point will not have an office seat to hold.

All right. Alicia Goss, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Love you, Uncle Ro. Thanks, Rose thanks y'all all right take care you been frozen out facing an extinction level event we don't fight this fight right now. You're not going to have black on.

An open letter posted to Revolt.tv Sean Diddy comes joined the call of action to large corporations including GM to increase his ad budget for black owned companies. This is what he wrote. If you are neutral in, first of all, he said, uh, the same feet, these companies used to stand with us in solidarity are the same feet

they use to stand on our necks. When confronted by the leaders of several black owned media companies, General Motors GM listed my network revolt as an example of the black owned media. It supports whileolt does receive advertising revenue from GM, our relationship is not an example of success. Instead, Revolt, just like other black owned media companies, fights for crumbs while GM makes billions of dollars every year from the black community. Exposing GM's historic refusal to fairly invest in black owned media is not an assassination of character. It's exposing the way GM and many other advertisers have always treated us.

No longer can corporate America manipulate our community into believing that incremental progress is acceptable action. Corporations like General Motors have exploited our culture, undermined our power, and excluded black entrepreneurs from participating in the value created by black consumers. In 2019, brands spent $239 billion on advertising. Less than 1% of that was invested in black owned media companies. Out of the roughly three billion dollars General Motors spent on advertising, we estimate, we estimate only 10 million was invested in black owned media. Only 10 million out of three billion. Like the rest of corporate America, General Motors is telling us to sit, shut up,

and be happy with what we get. It's disrespectful that black-owned media companies only represent 1% of the total advertising market. It's disrespectful that distributors refuse to carry black-owned media brands in an era where our impact and influence is undeniable. It's disrespectful that the same community that represents 14% of the population spends over $1.4 trillion annually is still the most economically undervalued and undeserved at every level. Underserved at every level. To repeat, $1.4 trillion annually. The almighty black dollar. We demand that corporate America reinvest an equitable percentage of what you take from our community back into our community.

If the black-owned community represents 15% of your revenue, black-owned media should receive at least 15% of the advertising spend. The same way you understand the power of our dollars, we understand our power to take them away from any corporation that doesn't give us the economic inclusion we deserve. We are prepared to weaponize our dollars. If you love us, pay us. Not a token investment, not a charity check or donation. The time is now. Radical change is the only option. You're either with us or you are on the other side. Let's go to our panel. You know, yesterday I talked about Target announcing they were going to spend $2 billion by 2025. And I sent them an email, Greg, and I said, first of all, how much are you spending right now? Because you're trying to get to $2 billion by 2025. I said, then separate black-owned media from the other black businesses. I said, so we can actually see what's your black-owned media

and what's your supplier development. General Motors, after we met with them, they said they were doing 2% with black-owned media. They announced that by 2022, they would be doing 4%. And then the goal by 2025 is doing 8%. We argued, why in the hell can't you do 8% right now? They responded by again listing these black-owned media companies that they're doing business with. Here's Diddy saying, yeah, we one of them, but y'all ain't sitting here doing what you should be doing business with. Here's Diddy saying, yeah, we one of them, but y'all ain't sitting here

doing what you should be doing with us. Bottom line is this here. The only way to force these people to the table is going back to April 3rd, 1968, when Dr. King said we must redistribute the pain. You're right,

Roland. And you've walked us through on several occasions how Diddy ended up with Revolt TV in the first place, had they had something to do with that Viacom merger, right? And we see Byron Allen saying that he's merging from a meeting with Viacom over some negotiations, no details were disclosed. But this is where it's critical for us to understand this at a deeper level. Just like I often say there is no we when we start talking about America, there is no we often when we start talking about capitalism. See, capitalism has a racial dimension, but please

don't mistake race for class. What do I mean by this? This movement, including Diddy's letter, is indicative of the fact that these corporations are a little nervous. But it will be classic capitalism for them to pick a few black folk, and Revolt TV will be one, give them some subsidy and say, see, this is what we're doing. This is very important. This is why I'm very interested to hear Brittany and Amishi, both of y'all on this, because I'm too old. But because I'm a teacher, I know what the young people, a little bit of what they do on social media. And I'm getting my toe in Twitter. I am cracking up at all these mace pictures that are coming up in Diddy's feed. And people saying, dude, ain't nobody forgot that you're the one that don't pay black artists. So see, Diddy, it's hell if there's five cents to make. And what capitalists will do is pick out in the class structure

a handful of petty bourgeois Negroes, which is why any demand must be equitably distributed around black media. It's those little women-owned corporations. It's those little corporations. You know, write the check to Roland Martin unfiltered, but don't mess around and think because Diddy is right on this, that he is no different than a clock that is always right at least twice a day. The thing here,

to Greg's point there, Brittany, about how folks try to pick folks off, is when we met with General Motors, we see it. It should be two hundred million dollars a year going to black owned media companies. And we want a 10 year agreement with five percent escalators in the contract. That was on a Monday.

Wednesday, because they had not set a meeting, now we met with the chief marketing officer of General Motors, but we requested a meeting with the CEO of Maryborough. They did not schedule that meeting. So an ad was taken out in the Wednesday paper. They got angry that there was a second ad and then canceled the Thursday meeting. On Thursday, General Motors announced their target goals of 4% by 2022, 8% by 2025. But Mayor Barra still has not met with us.

Now, here's what they have been doing. And see, again, I'll be transparent. They have been calling around trying to meet with us individually. Of course. Of course. Perfect example. They drastically cut the funding of America Black Film Festival, almost down to zero. Well, a week after our meeting, this was posted by Jeff Friday in the American Black Film Festival. They posted this. Go to my computer. Happy to have Cadillac GM Diversity return as a multi-year partner for ABFF and ABFF honors.

Wow. Now, I know how much they got. And here's the deal. They could have gotten more. Had they negotiated as a collective. See what we're trying to tell the other black owned media companies is don't get picked off because see general motors has not agreed to our demand. What we said is you're spending X billions of dollars. We want

X percentage, 5% of that. We estimate it's going to be $200 million. They say our numbers are wrong. We say, what's your numbers? They say, well, we can't give you for competitive reasons. Well, don't tell me my number wrong. You can't give me the right number. Then we estimated

that the black spin was five or six million. They said, your number's wrong. What's the right number? We can't tell you. Don't tell me my number's wrong. You can't give me the right number. They've reached out to me for a meeting. Here's my whole deal. I'll

meet, but we still want to meet with the CEO. My deal is, why do we have to wait to 2022? Y'all, it's April 2021. The upfronts just started. Why we got to wait to April 2022 for you to get to 4% when you can do it right now? Roland, I have to laugh. You really almost have to laugh. I mean, and thank you for talking about this.

Let me just say, you've been talking about this issue and bringing this important issue to the forefront of our community for a long time. And I stand with you on this and everybody who's speaking up about this issue, because it's time for corporate America to reinvest an equitable percentage of what they take from our community back into our community. We made and continue to make corporate America and the wealth it generates possible without getting a piece of the pie. And, you know, when we think of the way the GM responded,

it felt so patronizing, right? Like you said, they want to tell you that all your figures are wrong, but don't want to tell you what the figures are. They want to send representatives, but they don't want to have you speak to the CEO. They want to give you long-term projections like they don't have the money right this second to fund Black-owned media.

That's a joke see me i think that they can continue to incrementally right incrementally give us the funds that are necessary is so so patronizing and so offensive but actually guess what manisha they can and the reason that they can is when black people play themselves small. See, and I've been warning people about this. And I'm trying to get folk to understand what we're talking about. I mean, for instance, y'all show the graphic on Sunday. I'm going to be hosting this where there is a group in New Jersey who are doing this. We're going to have this.

We're dealing with the racial economic justice in New Jersey. Reverend Alice Sharpton is going to be speaking. America's richest African-American, Robert Smith, is going to be speaking. John Rogers, Arrow Capital Management. Dr. David Jefferson is going to be speaking as well. Jennifer Austin is going to be speaking. And what we're dealing with there is what we're trying to walk black people through in New Jersey is that y'all got a Democratic governor and a Democratic legislature. How much money are black people managing when it

comes to private equity? What does private equity mean? Pension funds. Where does the money come from pension funds? Public workers. In New Jersey, probably half of those public workers are black and brown. So Wall Street, which is run by pension funds, Silicon Valley's money coming from pension funds, all of that has been driven by black workers. And black folks are not able to invest the very pension funds as they money. So for the people who are watching me, who are sitting there going, man, why you keep talking about this? Cause I'm trying to show y'all how America is running. Stop talking about what white folks did to black people in slavery and look that you are in economic slavery today.

This is simply slavery without shackles. The average spend of corporate America is 1% on black media. The average Silicon Valley company has one to 2% of black employees. Y'all are y'all hearing the consistent one to two, one to two. And so what they do, Amisha is they then say, let's go cut a memorandum of understanding with civil rights groups. And let me be clear, I have respect for our civil rights groups, but the NAACP ain't a black owned company. The National Urban League ain't a black owned company.

NAACP Legal Defense Fund, National Action Network, Rainbow Push. I can go on Black Lives Matter until freedom. Got respect for all of them, but not now. One of them are black owned companies. So don't run out and cut deals with black civil rights organizations. Give them dollars for tables. If you invest in contracts for black people, we can buy the whole goddamn table. You're absolutely right, Roland. I think that you have perfectly laid out the roadmap of what we've seen for a very long time. This isn't a new strategy. Corporations have been doing this for a very long time. They have chosen to invest in tables, but also to get their name on the back of a policy document in a policy book that is handed out at said events for the Urban League, for the NAACP, for other legacy organizations. The frustration here, I think, and you, again, poise as well, is that the black community has not risen up against it. You have been someone who has spoken about the need to have investments in black media for a very long time.

And I think that the more we see them kick the can down the road, the more that we see these large-scale organizations, these large-scale private sector companies who make a ton of money off of Black interests and Black people and exploit a lot of us, not only in the commercials, but also in the Black music that they use to drive the commercials and everything else that they're getting from our community, don't give back. And it's frustrating because I think that it's been framed as they're helping in these incremental crumbs. Again, going back to these civil rights organizations. But also, you said something else that I think needs to be elevated. When you talked about the picking off of certain groups, what these companies do and do well is

pit Black businesses against each other, because they know that somebody is going to take the money. So they're going to have the calls, They're going to send out the emails. Then they're going to list those few that did accept. Because meanwhile, they are not trying to elevate to the amounts that they should be giving, the percentages that should be going out to Black media, but also other Black small businesses and things like that. These are conversations they're not having because they're not trying to. What they want to do is elevate and showcase, essentially, they want to elevate and showcase one thing, and that is a very small, very finite amount that they are giving out to these groups that they are preconditioned to do. They typically give to the exact same people every time, and those people will talk about them in grave terms and about

how great they are. We've seen this again, time and time again. And now they're asking, now black people, black voters are asking them not only to be more intuitive when it comes to stepping up against things like voter disenfranchisement, but also where does the money reside? Why are you not investing in these small businesses? Why aren't you investing in black people? Why aren't you investing in the engagement of our economy?

Because it is important. It's one of those things, it is the key marker of the civil rights movement that is often forgotten about. We talk about education. We talk about voting rights. We talk about so many things engaged around what Dr. King spoke about specifically. But we don't often talk about the economic goals that we have yet to meet. That marker has not moved the needle at all since 1964. So I think that this is something that we need to dredge down on and something that we need to hold these private sector groups accountable for. So let me speak to this right now, because again, Again, some folk don't know who they talking to and they don't know what they're talking about. So I got some smart ass on you on YouTube call himself truth seeker. Economic slavery. Correct. So why isn't demanding reparations your number one agenda? Mr. Mark, you are speaking truth about none of these black owned companies,

though fake corporate social activists. So truth seeker, let me check your ass. Where are you going to get reparations from? The political process. How many votes do you need in the House? 218. How many votes are you going to need in the Senate? 60.

Let's say the president vetoes it. How many votes you going to need in the House? Two thirds. How many you going to need in the Senate? Two thirds. You are trying to fight for reparations in a political system where you don't have the votes. I'm not deriding that. I get asked this question all the time. Why isn't reparations my thing? That's what other folk are focused on. I am focused on the money that's sitting there right now.

Let me further unpack it. Since your name is Truth Seeker, since you sought this truth, I'm about to give it to your ass. A letter was published to General Motors. On Sunday, they were doing 2%. By Thursday, they announced we'll be doing 4% by next year and we'll be doing 8% by 2025. Truth seeker.

Can you please show me where you've gotten reparations in four days? Target announces we're going to do 2 billion with black owned companies. I ask yourself, wait a minute. The target actually say specifically black owned companies. Yes. Target didn't say minority businesses targeted and say people of color targeted. Didn't say black targeted businesses. Target didn't say people of color. Target didn't say black targeted businesses. Target said black owned businesses.

Why did Target do that, Truth Seeker? Because they got a letter from Byron Allen last month specifically asking for a certain percentage for black owned media companies.

So truth seeking, what I'm trying to get folk like you to understand is that if when we are fighting economic slavery, there are different people who are fighting different battles. That's right. So when I'm hosting the event on Sunday, we are fighting for the pension dollars for private equity. We're fighting for the contracts, the same thing with the federal government. So truth seeker, while you say reparations should be my number one agenda, the federal government right now is spending billions of dollars.

What we are trying to do is to get billions of those existing dollars, which can happen. It's called duality. It's called driving on multiple lanes on a highway down the road. There's a fast lane. There's a slow lane. I'm about what can we get right now. See, if everybody is in the reparations lane, who over here trying to get the pension money? Who trying to get the black advertising money? Who trying to get the architectural design money? Who trying to get the engineering money? Who trying to get the PR money? Who trying to get the construction money? Who trying to get the PR money? Who trying to get the construction money?

Who trying to get the fiber optics money? Who trying to get the laying of lines money? Who? See, some of y'all need to learn to stop playing checkers and play chess. Some of y'all need to learn how to play complex games and leave grown-ass people alone who are trying to educate y'all on really what's going on. See, while y'all sitting here playing games on the pension fund side, what you don't understand is that's where venture capitalists get their money to invest in companies. So here we are as black folk trying to convince the venture capitalists.

Why aren't y'all investing in black businesses when I'm a go to the source of the money of the venture capitalist? Because guess what? If we can get a piece of that pension fund money. businesses, when I'm going to go to the source of the money of the venture capitalist, because guess what? If we can get a piece of that pension fund money and black, black private equity companies are now investing the money who now can fund black venture capitalists? Greg, I know you the professor, but sometime we got to go to school with the folk who don't quite know how everything works. Hey, Roman, look, more than this is your classroom, brother, and we're grateful that you've created this platform. And Truth Seeker might also want to know that next Wednesday, there is a, the House Judiciary Committee will likely vote HR 40 out of committee to be introduced on the floor of the

House of Representatives. So while he's asking or she's asking or they're asking you to make it your number one priority, Truth Seeker, take a second to understand that, number one, we can walk and chew gum at the same time. And number two, there are dozens of millions of us in this country. And number three, some of them are actually pushing H.R. 40 through for a House vote next Wednesday. And number four, tune into the House website and you can actually watch it. It may help you with your blood pressure. I'm just trying to get our people to stop acting like we can only do one thing, Brittany.

Right. That we have to understand we got to be moving in different lanes. And that's what the whole point is. Well, I'm arguing there's money sitting there right now. Why am I going to bypass that trying to convince Joe Manchin just literally said, he wrote

under no circumstance will I end the filibuster. That's right. So, Truth Seeker, how you going to get reparations from the Senate? That man has said I ain't even going to break the filibuster for the John Lewis Act.

That's right. So what I'm not going to do is go, oh man, what are we going to do? No, no. In the words of Frank Lucas, I'm going to get that money that's there right now. Final comment, Brittany. Go ahead.

Yeah, you hit the nail on the head, Roland. You got it. I think there are so many avenues with which we can pursue in order to obtain capital to achieve our aspirations. And, you know, media is so, so powerful for this particular purpose. So I'm glad that you are not waiting and I'm glad that we're fighting to take the money that already exists. Yeah, you laid it out, Rowling. You laid it out. Folks, we're going to go to a quick break. Don't forget, if y'all get us on YouTube, remember, we only get 55% of the money on YouTube.

So if you give us to us direct, we get the whole 100%. So Slick Chick, I appreciate that you join monthly. But here's the deal. Get the money to us directly and then we get the whole 100 percent. So you can give you a cash app, Venmo, PayPal, as well as Zelle. And so please support us in that way. If y'all want to get on YouTube, that's no problem. Just let me know that we only get 55 percent of money that comes through YouTube, not the whole 100 percent. OK, we come back. Oh, my God, y'all know that we only get 55% of money that comes through YouTube, not the whole 100%. Okay, we come back. Oh my God, y'all. I got to show y'all crazy-ass white people and a brother who qualifies for crazy-ass white people. That's next on Roller Martin Unfiltered.

Your work keeps the community safe, but what keeps you safe at work? People in public service face unique dangers, and we need the right training, resources, and staffing to stay safe. But how do we make sure we have what we need to stay safe on the job? We join a union. Union members negotiate for the resources we need to keep us safe at work and protections if we're injured on the job. Union members are better trained and better protected. Job safety, that's the union difference. To me, this is what you're describing is exactly what urban leagues around the country should be doing, what other black organizations should be doing. Again, maximizing our capacity or maximizing our infrastructure to actually build capacity. Yes. Yeah, no, we have to build on what we have.

Because the sad part is, individually, in many cases, we don't have it. But collectively, we do. And really, that should be the point of black organizations. How do we take our collective capacity, put it together, and then use that to really make a difference? And, you know, quite frankly, sadly, you know, having been doing this since I was 16, we're not nearly where I thought we should be.

And that's why I said this year and going forward and the rest, we really have to do some bigger, bolder things. Like we've merged with a legacy organization named Grace Hill. The other part is we have too many not-for-profits. We have, you know, quite frankly, too much need for back office and infrastructure and PR, and we need to come together. There you go. No travel rules are allowed.

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Give me your ID. You don't live here. I'm uncomfortable. Ooh, y'all want to see a racist white man who's a legislator? This guy right here, a South Carolina state representative. Oh, he catching hell for not only his vote against South Carolina's hate crimes bill, named after State Senator Clementa Pickney, one of the Emanuel nine, but also his reason why this is what racist as Victor Dabney posted y'all on his

Facebook page and is still there. So for all these fools who say, Oh no, no, I don't know no races. Y'all see one right here. Show the graphic. Hello Patriots. Many of you have asked me recently about my experience so far in the state house. What is it like? What Show the graphic. respect for others, less government, and the sanctity of our lives. But folks, to be completely honest, the number one issue, at least on the Democratic side, is the color of a person's skin. Yes, folks, I get reminded every day about the color. Go back. I didn't finish it, y'all. You switched too soon.

I get reminded every day about the color of my skin and my whiteness. Well, watch this. These people don't know anything about me other than I am a member of the Republican Party and my skin color is a lighter shade than theirs. But they label me as a racist. You are. I'm a I am a racist because I am against killing babies. I am a racist because I believe churches should be exempt from any government mandates. I'm a racist because I believe strongly in the Second Amendment. While the Republicans discuss issues using facts, logic and reality, the Democrats use emotional, irrelevant rants about the color of a person's skin. People should not be judged by the color of their skin or by the content of their character.

I love how y'all want to pimp Dr. King. Folks, this is really sad. Elected officials who were mentally and emotionally stuck in the 1960s, they don't seem to understand that the color of a person's skin does not define that person. But to them, the Democrats, it's all about skin color. Even now, as I write this letter, I feel somewhat sad and even a bit ashamed for the people of this state. It is such a gloomy message to report that bigotry and racism is alive and well here in South Carolina and is being nurtured and kept alive by the Democratic Party.

Okay, go to the next slide. Y'all have it? Okay, are y'all? Okay, okay, so here's the deal. Give me a second, because y'all actually pulled the wrong one. That's the wrong Facebook post. Y'all, what this fool actually said, when I say racist, Bakari Sellers, a former state state representative there in South Carolina, sent me this. Let me see if I can pull it up, y'all, because this man is is when I say he's stuck on stupid people.

Let me pull it up. Victor Dabney. Is this him? Yeah, it is him. Let me show you what y'all what is what this white man posted and people jumped on this page. I hope it's still on his page. And let's see here. OK, here it is. Go to my computer, please. Hello, patriots. As you read this post, please remember that I was elected to be by you to stand up for you, not to bow down to the left. So today in the statehouse, we will be voting on the so-called hate crimes bill. And yes, I'll be voting. No, I'm 63 years old and I spent my entire life watching our society give in to the liberals. And it's never enough. Our entire way of life has been vilified by the left. It's our whiteness and our straightness that keeps getting in the way.

No matter how much we give in to them, we just can't seem to get it right. In our colorblind society, we are constantly reminded that we are the problem because of our skin color. We are the reasons that blacks can't seem to succeed in our society. Y'all, he said he actually said that we are the reasons that blacks can't seem to succeed in our society. We are the reason that black crime rates are 10 times that of others. We are the reason that the black family unit has been destroyed and most young black children don't have a father figure in the home.

It's all because of the light color of our skin. At least that is what I am told on a regular basis. So today I'll be taking a stand and saying that enough is enough because for 63 years I've been giving in and it seems as though it is never enough. They always pick a new fight after every Vic y'all, y'all, he, y'all, he, he literally said this, uh, and I'm, I'm and I'm laughing. I'm laughing. He literally said they always they always pick a new fight after every victory because they can never be satisfied. This will never end. This will never end until we stop giving in. This will never end until we make it in. It's time for the adult to take charge and draw a line in the sand.

Amisha, while I'm laughing at this white boy, He goes, we are the reason blacks can't seem to succeed in our society. You're guilty. We are the reason that black crime rates are 10 times that of others. You're guilty. We are the reason that the black family unit has been destroyed and most young black children don't have a father to feed in the home. Yo ass guilty. Dude, your entire post is a white supremacist post. Thank you for showing your whiteness.

We appreciate it. The sheer ignorance and gall that someone who is an elected force in South Carolina, of all places, a place with its own very entrance racist past and present day, is extremely frustrating because he points to things that are direct influences that have come out of systemic racism and institutional racism. So it's interesting to me that he has eradicated any responsibility from white people of the things they created that have, you know, that have embedded this big swamp of economic disenfranchisement for black people, of lack of, you know, a strong community school system for black people, of the pipeline system for black people that has put a lot of our black men in prison, and in prison for things in many cases they weren't even

guilty of but in other cases we're also watching the the the extent of sentences that are so different for black men versus white men who are guilty of the exact same crimes so when we have this conversation and there's no point in having a conversation with that idiot there just isn't he believes what he believes and his feet are entrenched but my issue with him is particular is because he takes this back 60 plus years this is particular is because he takes this back 60 plus years. This is a man who's taken this back to the civil rights movement and clearly didn't see an issue during that era either. This is a man who's alive and seeing. He lived in the same state where we saw the Mother Emanuel Church get gunshot up. We saw that

happen in this country. That was not 30, 40, 50 years ago. This is a guy who has seen, you know, the Black Lives Matter movement rise up after the killing of, after the police killings of several unarmed black people. This is a guy who just chooses to not accept the fact that whiteness in America, and more so than whiteness, white supremacy in America, has caused so much trauma for black people and continually benefits off of said trauma. Yet he wants to blame it on what it appears to be black people just, you know,

not seeming to not be able to get it right. There's something wrong, inherently wrong with us. That's what I got from his letter. And it's extremely frustrating because you do this in a public forum, you know, it's on social media, but it's also, it's a frustrating because you do this in a public forum, you know, it's all social media. But it's also it's a sheer ignorance to history. It's a sheer ignorance to what we've been fighting against in this country for so long.

And it's a sheer in his in his very words. This looks like what the Republican Party has been setting up for a long time. But here's the deal. Black people will always be attacked. But here's the deal, Brittany. It's not frustrating for me. This is a white supremacist saying I am a white supremacist. Damn you, black people. Yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised. And quite frankly, I'm glad that we just have proof now, because, you know, the fact that he's been elected just continues to demonstrate

that his ideology is alive and well. They think black people are pathological. The racism, the ignorance, the white guilt, the white tears, you know, claiming that black people can't succeed in our society, those problematic stereotypes, the lack of, you know, it's not grounded in any historical information. It's just, I'm not surprised. But yeah, I'm just truly not surprised, Roland. Racist folks like him always find ways to feel threatened by calls for justice because they're afraid they're going to lose something. And I mean, we continue to see that reality. This man has no real reason as to why he opposes the bill. And we know it's certainly not because hate crimes don't exist nationwide or even in his state. As Amisha

pointed out, you know, in just 2015, we saw the Charleston shooting. Anti-agent hate crimes are up 150 percent. We've seen all types of things that indicate that race is real, that all the issues that he claimed are in fact related to white supremacy and all of the racist institutions that they put in place since our arrival here. But I'm in no way surprised. I'm just glad that we know who he is so we can work and get him out of here. Hey, Greg, I keep saying these white folks are so in these racist white folks are so emboldened in the world of Trump. And look, they just make it easy to point them out.

No question. Well, it's unanimous tonight, as we would expect it to be. We're all in agreement. We're grateful. For me, having been born and raised in Tennessee, it's always those first 10 words of Dwight Nash Lantham. Oh, I wish I were in the land of cotton. Oh, Vic, Vic, Vic, Vic Dabney from Sumter, South Carolina.

The Battle of Fort Sumter, the first battle in the Civil War. Oh, Vic down there in South Carolina. We understand, brother. You wish you were in the land of cotton. And in them next six words, the old times there are not forgotten. It's all slipping away, ain't it, Vic? So, Vic, when you say that, you know, we won't be satisfied, you're damn right. As you said, when Vic says, you know, every victory, we've conceded every victory, which

means, as you said, Misha, he's not only talking about the 63 years he's been on the planet, he's basically saying every law that broke the back of white supremacy, I would have opposed had I been alive. Every one of these victories, I wish I was in the land of cotton when I could have made Robert Smalls and Septima Clark and all them Negroes on the Sea Islands go out there and till my field. That's why they fought in the place I was born, South Carolina. I wish I was in the land. What is going on? What the hell is going on? And so, yeah, I mean, this is the pus. This is the sickness

as white nationalism dies. And ultimately, when anytime you hear the word colorblind, that means whiteness, because the power of whiteness lies in its invisibility. So I'm glad that the team, Roland, finally posted, showed that other Facebook post as well. Because when you say, when they say our way of life, forget anything they say after that defining it. What they mean is, I will defend whiteness until I die. That hit dog hollered. And guess what, dog? You're going to get hit again. Well, speaking of a hit dog hollering

or let's just say a dumb damn dog, watch this fool, so-called civil rights attorney, Leo Terrell, speaking on the White Supremacy Network. Senator Kennedy, and I'll tell you right now, he's spot on. Let me be clear. I have spent 30 years of my life as a civil rights attorney. There is no systemic discrimination.

There is no institutionalized racism in America. Jim Crow ended with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Civil Rights Act of 1965. Joe Biden is lying from the Oval Office. That's why he is constantly lying about this and is hurting people. Race is the issue that divides this country. And, Harris, I've been saying this all for the last couple of weeks. Why is he doing this? And I think it's to not only divide this country, but to distract this country from the disaster at the border. And also how he and the other Democrats are trying to bankrupt this country by spending more tax dollars.

Because there is no racism, systemic, institutionalized Jim Crow at all. One final point. You have a black mayor. You got numerous. Look at this panel right here. Look at this panel. We have diversity in this country. Jim Crow died in 1964. Which one of y'all won't do it first? There's just so much there that's wrong. I mean, you can point to Jim Crow and education.

You can point to it in criminal justice. You can point to it in voting. You can point to it in every system of progress, housing, every system, the inequities in our health care system. Everything this nation is built on, every ticker point of success, we can point to the fact that Jim Crow has eradicated it for black people. That's not a thing of the past. That's a thing that we continually face every single day in this country. That's something that Joe Biden should be speaking out on. That's something that Republicans should be speaking out on too. It's not something that should just be, the water should just be carried by liberals or by members of the Democratic Party

or just by black people. It's a frustration to me that, and I'm not surprised by this at all, that Fox chooses a black man to get on and say something completely ridiculous while being flanked by Tommy Loren and Kayleigh McEnany. At the end of the day, the frustration here is that,

one, he's buying his hook, line, and sinker because he's trying to sell it. And as a black man, he thinks that white people love it when they can get a black person to say something completely ignorant that supports their white supremacist notions. He just walked them straight through that. And you saw the glee in the circle of white women's faces. And and of course, we saw it in the black woman as well on that on that panel.

The frustration that I have here is that he is negating everything we know. He is negating everything on the ground. He is negating he is negating all we know. He is negating everything on the ground. He is negating all the research. This is just a flat-out lie. And no matter how many conservatives, whether it's Fox, OAN, Breitbart, however many conservative organizations want to spew that same lie that white supremacy doesn't exist, that Jim Crow is over, and no matter how many black faces they get to repeat it, that doesn't make it a fact. We know what we live through. We are. This is a lived experience that has never gone away. Got it. Something that is baked into our democracy. Brittany, if y'all if anybody out there considering hiring Leo Terrell for your civil rights case.

Don't. Roland, you literally took the words right out of my mouth. I'm like, he's a white, first off, he's a white supremacist mouthpiece at this point. That's why Fox has him there. We know that. I'm convinced that he's just there to collect a check at this point. And it must be from his fallout with the national organization a while back. Because I'm looking at this man's background.

I'm like, so you don't believe that there's a racial issue in this country at all, but yet for the greater part of your career, you've been, you know, part of the EEOC, a member of the Statewide Commission Against Hate Crimes. You've done pro bono work for the NAACP. And then all of a sudden you decided to switch to the Make America Great Again Party and become a Fox News contributor. What in the world happened to this man? What happened? When did he lose his senses? Is it about the money? Because we know it's not truthful. That, Greg Carr,

is a consistent minstrel show. When Leo Terrell gets on Fox News, we can start the dancing. Oh, that's funny. You think you're dancing, bro. That reminds me, when we were teenagers and acted like knuckleheads, and we were torturing our band director at Hillsborough High School in Nashville,

a brother named Willie Moore, musician, beautiful brother. One day, he was so frustrated with us, these young boys, these black kids. He looked at us and said, I used to do it because it's funny. Now I do it for the money. And so, you know, Leo, I used to do it because it's funny. Now I do it for the money. And so, you know, Leo, I agree with you. He's doing it for the money. And of course, it's the dance. And you think about it. I mean, yeah, de facto segregation went off the books. And as you say, Amisha, that's when the thing really hit the fan. We were just talking about housing last night in my class with my law students. We were, you know, remember that story you ran, Roland, about how they did the appraisal in Florida?

Yep. And it came to a brother who's in class, who's a third-year law student out of California. He's in California. He pulled up one from San Francisco where they did the second appraisal. The white neighbor came over, and they valued it by a half million dollars more. Leo, we understand there's between de facto and de jure segregation, and we understand you're doing it for the money, brother. And we understand why you get emotional, too, because it takes a toll when you got to be the one to dance all the time. But you know the one I was laughing about, Roland?

I don't know when this one happened, when Geraldo Rivera went Puerto Rican New York on him, and he lost his mind because he called himself going to roast his sister, our friend and sister. Shara Jones. Shara Jones. And Geraldo Rivera was like, when's the last time you've been to the hood? And my man, you know how them sellout Negroes get when you question their blackness.

Because look, I risked it all for this check, and you're going to question my... He had a meltdown. It was hilarious. Well, since you decided to go ahead and bring that up, I wasn't going to bring it up. Roll it. Come on, computer, let's go. We wish her the very best of luck with her policy.

Leo, here's the question. She said, I appreciate the role of white allies in this movement of progress. I don't believe that they have the lived experience to lead a majority-minority city. Okay, so she said that. This will be an interesting social experience or perhaps even an experiment. That is the most insulting, racist comment. You know what she's saying? She's saying because you're white, you don't understand

what we as black people go through regarding crime. That makes the assumption then that Joe Biden doesn't know to say that she is basically in a better position because she's black is insulting, is racist, and it makes no sense, whatever.

I reject that argument. Hey, Leo, when was the last time you were in the ghetto? Wait a second. Wait a second. Well, how dare you say that, sir? I was born... I live right near the Coliseum. That's where I was born. I'm from Avenue C, dude.

I'm from Avenue C. How dare you say that? That knowledge that I have is helpful. How dare you say that? That knowledge I have is helpful. Insulting. That knowledge that I have from helpful. How dare you say that? That knowledge I have is helpful. Insulting. That knowledge that I have from my background is helpful. Why don't you try to drive?

Harada, do you think? Let her try. Let her try. Why don't you try to drive? Let her try a kinder approach. Maybe it'll work. You know what Bill just accused me of? Stop with the daring.

Bill Hammer just accused. Bill, you know what Harada accused me of? He accused me of living in a particular area that I don't understand. How dare you? I've been a civil rights attorney for 30 years. I have fought against discrimination for 30 years. Check this out. Jesus on earth.

How dare you? Listen, I love you both. How dare you? Guys, hey, we started out on a moment of peace. That moment is fleeting. We'll try again next week. Thank you, Leo. The idiot said,

I have fought against discrimination for 30 years, but on the other show, there's no systemic... See? See what happened when you start doing the minstrel show? Sometimes you forget the words to the song. And you just start making up words to the song. And you just start making up words

to the song. And Leo Terrell, I've invited him, as well as that punk-ass Vernon Jones out of Georgia. Neither one of them will come talk to black people. Vernon!

Bring your ass. I'll be happy to host you. Then I'll be happy to host you. Then I'll be happy to roast you. Appreciate it, Brittany, Amisha, Dr. Greg Carr. Thanks a bunch. Hey, y'all, I want to try to do them a favor. Bring the panel back up. Last week we told y'all about Reese having a baby.

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We're glad that she is still with us. But it was a really bad accident. So I'm glad to see that she's with us. And so she's not going to be with us on Thursdays for a while, folks, while she recuperates. But we certainly will be thinking about her every single Thursday. So I just wanted to let you all know that. So we appreciate it.

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