#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Debunking DEI Myths, 25M Missing Voters, Black Calf. DA Facing Recall, "Shirley" Red Carpet Recap

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

3.20.2024 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Debunking DEI Myths, 25M Missing Voters, Black Calf. DA Facing Recall, "Shirley" Red Carpet Recap We are debunking the myths about Affirmative Action and DEI again. Why? Because of Elon Musk's latest interview with Don Lemon, in which he claims lowering DEI standards could lead to patients getting hurt. Michael Harriot, from theGrio, is here to break down all this foolishness.  A report from the Democracy & Power Innovation Fund says Millions of Black and Brown Voters Are Missing or Incorrectly Listed in U.S. Voter Databases. We'll talk to one of the people who analyzed the data.  Another black female district attorney is being targeted. Alameda County, California, District Attorney Pamela Price is facing a recall. She'll join us to explain why folks want her out of office.  Donald Trump gets the green light to appeal Georgia Judge Scott McAfee's decision to keep Fani Willis on the election case.  Two more former Mississippi deputies find out their fate for torturing two black men.  We'll also recap what happened last night on the red carpet for Netflix's biopic "Shirley," starring Regina King. Download the #BlackStarNetwork app on iOS, AppleTV, Android, Android TV, Roku, FireTV, SamsungTV and XBox 👉🏾 http://www.blackstarnetwork.com #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Coming up on Roland Martin Unfilteredtered streaming live on the Black Star Network. Oh, Elon Musk continues to lie about DEI and this whole notion that we're going to have folks just dying because of unqualified pilots and doctors. Michael Herriot with The Root breaks it all down as only he could. He'll join us on the show. Also, a report from the Democracy and Power Innovation Fund says millions of black and brown voters are missing or incorrectly listed in U.S. voter databases. We'll discuss that as well. Plus, another black female, D.A., is being targeted, this time in Alameda County, California. Pamela Price is facing a recall. She will join us on the show as well. Plus, Donald Trump gets the green light to appeal Georgia Judge Scott McAfee's decision to keep Foddy Willis on his election

case. Two former Mississippi white deputies get their prison sentences for the torture of two black men. We'll also recap last night's Netflix red carpet premiere of their new movie, Shirley, regarding Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm starring Regina King. It is time to bring the funk on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Side Network. Let's go.

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Yeah, yeah. He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best. You know he's Rollin' Martin. Yeah. Martin. Martel So I always get a kick out of these white folks who love to lie about DEI, affirmative action, diversity, because their standard protocol is to say that all standards are being lowered if we allow these people in. Well, one of the folks who continues to suggest those things is Elon Musk. Of course, he owns Tesla, SpaceX and a whole bunch of stuff, richest person in the world.

But frankly, an absolute idiot when it comes to these issues. And so he repeated this nonsense in a conversation that he had with Don Lemon. And so I hate to even play this sheer stupidity, but go right ahead. Listen, let's talk about diversity, equity and inclusion. All right. That's been a target of yours lately on X. There was a repost of Ben Shapiro that you claim that DEI is killing people. Specifically, you point to medicine. You claim that DEI programs are putting people at risk. Do you really believe this to be true? And what evidence do you have to support it?

What I was referring to there was that if we lower the standards for doctors so that they, you know, if the test for a doctor is lowered, then the probability of them making a mistake and killing someone is obviously going to be higher. Wait, say that again. I'm not sure I understand what you said. I want to make sure I understand what you're saying. Yes. If the standards for passing medical exams and becoming a doctor or especially something like a surgeon, if

the standards are lowered, then the probability that the surgeon will make a mistake is higher. They're making mistakes in their exam. They may make mistakes with people, and that may result in people dying. What evidence do you have, though, that they're lowering the standards? There is no evidence of that. I believe there is. There's no evidence of that. Well, I believe there is. There's no evidence of that, Elon. What is the evidence?

I believe they have literally lowered the standards at Duke University, and that is what the article was referring to. There's no evidence of that. Are you saying they have not lowered the standards? There's no evidence about lowering standards, and I think that there is. I believe that is a false statement you're making.

OK, well, we'll figure it out. Yeah. I think... The interesting thing is, when this is posted on the X platform, there will be a whole bunch of things that rebut what you said and what I said, so people can then make their own decision based on the replies and the rebuttals and the community notes. I think that's fair.

But I do think that on this particular topic, I do think that you and Ben Shapiro are reaching in about this because there was a... What Ben posted said that people were he gave instances of people who were deliberately harming people. Nowhere in the thread does Ben suggest at all, I should say, that anyone is being killed as a result of DEI. That's purely speculative. Truly speculative. All right.

So that was their back and forth. Michael Harriet with the root Jones is right now. Michael, glad to have you on the show. Uh, so first of all, this is, this is beyond hilarious. And, and, and here's a piece that people need to understand. In the history of America, this is what white folks have always done. I don't care. Take the area.

White folks of all races, white folks like Elon Musk, have always suggested, oh, if we let them in, everything, quality is going down. Standards are going down. We're going to hell in the handbasket. If we let these folks in, he is simply following the footsteps of white supremacists, white nationalists in the long racist history of the United States. Yeah, he definitely is. Well, I always have to begin this conversation, first of all, by saying, you know, I'm with the Griot and that Elon Musk wouldn't be an American if not for the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act that was the result of the civil rights movement.

That was basically a diversity program. Like he is an American because of diversity, equity, and inclusion program that was started by black people in America. So we got—like, that's the foundation of how he even gets to say these things. Like, he's talking about he's a free speech advocate when he's part of the diversity program that we created. Second thing is, like, the insinuation and the conflation of, like, lower standards with diversity, equity, and inclusion

is just something white people made up. Like, none of those programs lower standards to get black people included or to get more black people in leadership. None of them do. Right? It's literally illegal for a college or a job or a company to do that. They don't lower standards.

He's making it up. The whole thing is premised on a lie. And the thing is that they believe it just because they say it and because they heard it from other white people. And that's the whole thing that you have to start with. And the thing here, Michael, the thing that we have to recognize is that they have in their mind, all of these jobs are ours. So how dare any of you step into our area? We're smarter. We're better. When he was attacking pilots, he was saying, oh, let's show these scores. And so Elon Musk, again, is using this to attack people.

I remember when, during Jim Crow, all these white folks at the University of Texas were concerned about black people coming in. And the president, being at the University of Texas, goes, oh, don't worry about it. We have a secret weapon to deal with these Negroes. It's called standardized testing. They're not going to be able to pass the test. In your Twitter thread, you broke down how, oh, first year? Yep. In terms of how black and minority students operate, I think it was at Duke in their medical school. But then you show after that first year, oh, they were kicking ass and taking

names. That's the stuff they never want to talk about. Right. Because first of all, everyone at every college, like every scholar knows that standardized tests don't predict anything, like all the colleges know it. And so when these colleges who are using data to say, hey, we might as well get rid of this standardized testing and use another metric to determine who we admit into our school, white people, because of the racism that has been embedded in their history and in their culture, they think that you are lowering standards by getting rid of something that doesn't measure anything anyway.

But because they have historically performed well on a test that was, if you look at the history of the SAT, it was created to exclude non-white people, because white people perform better on it, they think that their high test scores is indicative of their merit, of the fact that they belong there. It makes—it's proof that they are smarter than all of the other people who have been traditionally excluded. So that's what they start with. coming in because what schools are doing is using other metrics that are not culturally biased, as they know that the SAT is, as they know that most standardized tests are. They feel like something is being taken from them because when it really comes down to it, if you measure how

smart someone is objectively, they don't have that advantage, right? They don't have the advantage of a system and a test and a whole education complex that was built to promote them. And when they see those things being dismantled because they are inaccurate, not just to get Black people in, because in no school, no traditionally white education system in America or institution in America has just graciously decided that we want more Black people. It don't happen, right? They're using metrics to get more students, better students in, because the college landscape is very competitive, right? And so when they use better metrics and white people don't have the advantage that they used to, they think they're being discriminated against.

And that's at the foundation of this entire argument. Well, Michael, I think about Mary Fisher, who sued the University of Texas in a case with the Supreme Court. What was discovered was, oh, you thought black and minority people took your spot. No, it was white students who do who had who did who had lower scores, but they were much broader students. It was white folks. And that's the whole deal. And what the Elon Musk of the world. And I laid this out in my book, White Fear, How the Browning of America is Making White Folks Lose Their Minds. This is all a part of this white fear. If the attacks on CRT, DEI, affirmative action, they're going after every program. Because this is what I say, white folks are scared,

racist white folks like this are scared to death to compete. And people need to understand this ain't a conservative thing. It's the white liberals who think the exact same way. They are afraid to death that their kids are not going to have the same white advantages that they had. And they now say, damn, we got to compete against these black folks and Latinos and Asians and Native Americans. They didn't have to compete that same way before when it came to fellow white folks. And what's interesting about what they believe and what you just said, just as that case is the University of Texas, is that when you go to these colleges, right, and you look at the collection of students who didn't make the standards to get in, it's

mostly white kids. Remember a couple of years ago when those researchers did that study on who got into Harvard and Yale and Ivy League colleges, and they found out that most of the people who got in through a legal loophole was the white people, diversity admissions, children of donors, children of people who work at the universities. Those were the white kids who got in. And if you removed affirmative action, what would happen is those white kids wouldn't be—well, still wouldn't get in.

But if you removed legacy admissions, the tradition and the reputation of those institutions for those mediocre white kids who get in through those legacy admissions and all those legacy donor loopholes that the black kids don't have access to. I'll bring in my panel right now. Scott Bolden, he, of course, lawyer there in Washington, D.C., joins us. Rebecca Carruthers, vice president of Fair Elections, sitter out of D.C., Reverend Dr. Todd Geary, pastor and attorney, former EVP of Rainbow Push Coalition out of Baltimore. You know what? The thing here, Rebecca, and if you've got a question for Michael, go ahead. The thing here is we know exactly what Elon Musk is doing, and he's

using his ownership of the platform to drive this. That's why he's brought these white trolls back, these white racists back, and then under the guise of getting free speech. But all of this, all of this is by design by people like Elon Musk because what they want to do, I guess they think that that's going to lead to a bunch of Clarence Thomas's, you know, remember he was just so, oh my God, they're not accepting of me. And so he's despised affirmative action since, whereas it's black folks like me, like y'all can go to hell. Y'all can try to question us all you want to, but we know we belong in every damn room we're supposed to be in. Well, here's the thing. Elon Musk is operating the way I would expect a South African who financially benefited from racist apartheid to act. He is not a creator.

He is a taker. He purchases companies after the creation has occurred, but he doesn't, he hasn't shown that he has specific individual thought where he's able to create and become a billionaire. Instead, he's able to purchase and then further increase his wealth. So my question to you, Michael, is, you know, I'm thinking about what even happened in Alabama today. And I'm thinking about Birmingham Mayor Woodfin, who's saying, hey, if the Alabama legislature decides that they want to attack DEI in the state of Alabama, he's going to call for many of the five-star recruits and other top recruits to boycott Alabama sports. What do you think it will take for these racist-led legislatures to understand that DEI is not going to go

anywhere, even if they try to legislate it out of the state? Well, so I talked to—I actually talked to Woodfin about this. I interviewed him and wrote about it about a week ago. And one of the things—first of all, again, just like Elon, these anti-DEI legislators aren't smart. They just have authority and power because they are white in a state that they have, you know, taken control of the political system. But one of the things that they don't realize, like that law technically outlaws the NCAA, which requires a diversity part of every. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun?

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And when white folks... And we know they believe in Saturdays, Michael, we know they believe in D.I. on Saturday afternoon. And what's up? What someone should do right is take the playbook that these anti-abortion activists should do. And so one of these schools who has the NCAA football team on the basis of it's against Alabama law now. So y'all got to shut down the football team. Right. Like get an injunction against the football team. And that will either make them rescind the law or do without their favorite set Saturday pastime. You know which one white folks are going to choose in Birmingham. And Winfrey makes a great point that he had to raise money. He started this initiative, right, called the Promise Initiative, right, that literally gives every child in Birmingham,

a 95 percent black city, an opportunity to get their education paid for, everyone who graduates in the city and goes to a four-year or two-year institution, right? He had to raise that money for himself. And then he sits back and watches the University of Alabama and Auburn, which is my alma mater, parachute in on to recruit kids to go to these schools, like literally laying helicopters on the football field and say, will you come to our school and we'll give you this money? But they won't help any of those other kids.

And now they are ignoring this new DEI law on the grounds that we want to stay out of politics. And that's the advantage that whiteness gives them. Scott. And that's the advantage that whiteness gives them. Scott, I don't know why we even listen to white people talk about DEI and racism, because they are the least qualified to define it. Think about it. One, so whenever they talk about it, they talk about it with ignorance and with white privilege. So Elon Musk's racism is even worse than what you all have discussed. Think about it.

That in their mind, the only way black people could get into law school and medical school is for it to have a lower standard, right? And the history of affirmative action has never dictated that lesser qualified people of color be admitted or be given jobs. It had never been that. It's to cure past races and discrimination and prejudice against those who were qualified but denied, right? So now they have bastardized the whole piece rooted in ignorance and white privilege. What does their white privilege tell them? No, these spots that they did not earn, that they think they're entitled to are now,

from a fairness standpoint, being taken up by black and brown people who are qualified. But the only way they can justify it in their minds because of their white privilege is to say we're underqualified or that the standards were lower. Usually there's a range of scores and a range of numbers that give you a grade. So the idea that if you got a lower grade, if this top was a thousand and you got 950 or even 750, that somehow you're going to make a mistake operating on somebody or you're going to make a mistake flying a plane. It's just completely nonsensical. But this is the rhetoric, right?

Because we know that the browning of America, as Roland often says, they have scared the hell out of them. And they've got to do something to try to equalize it in their minds because in 40 or 50 years, whatever that year is, in 2043, they're going to run out of arguments because it's going to be a country of color. So is there a question in there? Yeah, it's a question. Anybody disagree with anything I just pontificated on? Well, the deal, you said, first of all, you said, why do we listen to them? And here's the reality, Michael. They control, they hold power. And so what they're doing is they hold the power.

You look at the lawsuits being filed. You obviously look at the Supreme Court affirmative action decision. You look at the lawsuits against the Fearless Fund. They're going to target everybody in corporate America, all of these programs. And so the programs that have been created, that have created some opportunity, and let's be clear, it's not like it's been just a plethora, creating some opportunity, they are going to go after every single one of these programs and folk had better understand what's going on. And we're now going to actually see if our so-called allies in corporate America

have the intestinal fortitude, Michael, to actually stand up and fight them. Yeah, and it's exactly what you guys said, because what we have to remember, first of all, is that these standards that we are talking about, right, like you never hear them, these people who are so concerned about the state of the education system, crusading about why majority black schools are underfunded or about $2,626 less than majority white schools. They don't care about that. They don't care about the SAT being culturally biased. They don't care about schools in majority black neighborhoods having even smaller libraries. They don't care about the lack of the gap in access to internet. They don't care about any of that. But only when they get to college or have to interact with white institutions do they think of these inequities.

Right. And they think of it in their favor. But the reality is, right, the truth is, like, the reason they listen to these people is not because power, Roland. I hate to disagree with you, but it's just because they are white. Right. Like Christopher Ruffo, who started this whole CRT thing. He don't have no power. He don't have no. He's not educated. He's never spent a day being educated or experienced in the educational system. He literally has no credentials or no nothing. Well, no, no, no, no. So here's the first one.

You're right. My, my, my, my, my, my, you're right. He does it. But you have conservatives who have super majorities, Florida, Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, South Carolina, North Carolina, Arkansas, again, Texas. And so the Rufo's of the world, they create the template. And look, he's already said it. He said point blank. What we do is we create these things in the conservative echo chamber. Then we drive it there. Then what we want

to do is we want to, now we want to, we now want to embarrass so-called liberals of mainstream media to force them to cover. And then boom, they're like, yo, we got them. I mean, I remember when he went on Joy and Reed's show discussing CRT, and people were like, yo, man, Joy killed him, and I said, wasn't a good move. And nothing against Joy personally, but the reason I said it wasn't a good move,

because what it did wasn't exactly what Rufo wanted. He wanted it to be to infiltrate her program and MSNBC, and then all of a sudden you begin to see Washington Post, New York Times, L.A. Times, News Today. That's what their strategy is. We just have to understand when you're watching their strategy, to your point, like your lawsuit idea is a great one. But you got to have people who believe in this, who are progressive than others, who

are equally understanding of strategy. We know what they're trying to do. Their whole deal is to, and he said it, we want to put everything under anything. You hear black, you hear minority, CRT, DEI, that's exactly what their strategy is. Yeah, and I agree with that. I think part of their strategy, though, is premised on the fact that they're just listening to random white people. Like, none of the DEI stuff comes from experienced people.

It just comes from random white people. Todd? Let's talk about random white people for a minute, because I think that's at the core of the issue that white paranoia has broken out due to white mediocrity. When we think about what has happened recently in the DEI space, on the heels of UNC and the Harvard decisions, we have to remember that in the background is a Supreme Court that has been trying to find a creative way to undo Brown v. Board since it was a thing. And so we have a Bakke, we have a UNC, we have a Harvard, because they are intentionally dismantling the leveling of the playing field around inclusion. Right. Because at the end of the day, to Scott's point, is that affirmative, you can use race as a mechanism

to address historic racial inequities, right? It's not that we're hiring unqualified people. We're hiring equally qualified, if you lower the baseline, to include random white people. But if we were really doing it at the standard that black people do it, the standards would be much higher and it's not even a competition. So, Michael, my question for you in the midst of this litigation legislation

moment, other than just kind of keeping up the strategy where we've always had to fight it out with the current court, 6-3, with state courts and to Roland's point, he basically called that all of the states of the Confederacy, who lost, by the way. That's a historical fact. This replaying of kind of an old tape. What is the thing that we need to be paying attention to before we get, in the words of that Spike Lee joint, bamboozled again? Well, I think one of the things that—not necessarily a mistake, assumptions that we have is when

we get these victories, when we get an affirmative action into colleges, when we get DEI policies, when we get an abortion law, when we get a Voting Rights Act, we think we won when they never stopped trying to dismantle it, right? Their fight never ended, right? Even though we got the Voting Rights Act, they never—like, their fight never ended, right? Even though we got the Voting Rights Act, they never stopped trying to stop Black people from voting. And so I think, like, we have to realize that everything that we fight for is a contin—we have to keep continuing to make it a reality. And we can never assume that anything is a victory. It is just a step forward that we

just have to lean on and make it closer to equality. Because in reality, right, like, there's nothing that we achieve that they won't try to dismantle, right? So we have to simultaneously fight for progress while trying to maintain the advancements that we all we already made. And that like that's just the burden we have in this country. It's unfair. It is exhausting. But it's a thing that we have to realize.

Well, and also what has to happen to close this out, we've got to have we've got to stop having these so-called exceptional Negroes act like they're the only ones. If you are a black board member, we need you to do more than just simply pick up a check and you get stock options and help your family. If you're a black

senior executive or even a CEO, we need you to do more. We need you to open that damn door and flood the zone like them white boys do. I mean, let's just be real clear. They hire who they want to hire. And it's stunning to me. And I've had conversations with black folks who become presidents of organizations and CEO, whether it's media companies or whether it's, you know, pharmaceuticals or any other kind of company. It's like they get in there and it's like, oh, you know, I can't do too much.

Listen, the hell you can't. The hell you can't. I look at it like the NFL. The Tony Dungy coaching tree is significant. You begin to look at some other black coaches. That's what they do. I'll pull up in a second the brother who just got hired at the UCLA. Okay?

He got 12 coaches on his staff, 10 of them black. That's what you're – You got Mike Tomlin. I don't know him. Well, what – Huh? I'm saying Mike Tomlin is doing the same thing, right? Like, look at his quarterback room right now.

Like, he got his all-black quarterback room, right? Yeah, well, no, that's his quarterback room. But, you know, Mike ain't had a great record of hiring black offensive and defensive coordinators, but that's another story. He is a capital. But here's the whole point here is, again. I knew you were going to say that, you've got to do it. You can't do it.

Can we get to one show without shooting nothing with the capitals, OK? Don't nobody say nothing about them alphas, OK? I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them.

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of an amazing nonprofit, A Sense of Home. For 10 years, this charity has been creating homes for young people exiting foster care. It's an incredible organization. Just days into the LA fires, they moved mountains to launch a new emergency relief program providing fully functional home environments for those who lost everything in the fires. Please get involved. Sign up to volunteer, donate furniture, or even donate funds. You can go to asenseofhome.org to find out more information. Together, we can help our LA community rebuild. It takes all of us. So let's just get through one second. But let me tell you this. If black people in senior C-level suites, if black people who are appointees in high levels in the government, if they don't bring others along as they go along, why the hell are

they there? What use are they if they're not opening these doors? If they're just thinking about themselves and their family, got it, okay, but you don't share our values. See, I say this all the time to you, Roland. I'm voting for people and supporting people, whether it's politically or financially or charitably. I support people who share our values, who, because black people ain't always supportive of our values as black people. And those are the ones that are self-serving. I want somebody in those positions who are going to bring others along as they go along, open those doors and be fearless when they are the only ones in that room, either making the decision or advocating or

persuading people that don't look like them that this is the right thing to do. If they don't have that skill set, they shouldn't be in that position, period, full stop. And Roland, Robert is right here, because here's the bottom line. Rebecca, go ahead. Sorry, here's the bottom line, and Robert's very right here here When black folks are appointed or Elected and become CEO They're only going to be there for a finite time anyway So even the Hawaii people

I don't really want to rock the boat because I'm scared Because I could be kicked out Guess what? Your black behind is going to be Kicked out at some point So you might as well do the maximum Benefit that you can for black Folks while you have the position This is America, you're not going do the maximum benefit that you can for black folks while you have the position. This is America.

You're not going to have that position until you die. And you're going to get kicked out quicker than your white counterparts, so you better get to getting while you're there. Look, that's the... You're getting up for the year or two. Michael, final comment. Michael, final comment. Michael, final comment.

I think the bottom line is that, like, white folks need to stop with their tears and realize that there's something called facts and reality. And, like, no one's coming to take things from them. And all they got to do is just try to be excellent instead of mediocre and they wouldn't have to worry about any of this that's right fair enough well i agree with you agree with you there uh and just so y'all thought i was joking this is the ucla uh football coach uh my man said eric b enemy uh is on his team and And you see Deshaun Foster, that's the coach. Look at this here. Associate head coach, office coordinator brother.

Got an Afro-Latina brother as offensive defensive line coach. A brother wide receiver coach. Got Rick Neuheisel's son as a tight end coach. Brian Norwood is another black coach. Cody Whitfield, Ted White, Tony Washington, Marcus Thomas, IK Malone, my man got it.

He went out and said, hey, this is how we're going to do it. Actually, I said, too, he got one white coach on his staff. And let me be real clear. If this was any other team, guess what? And they had one black coach on his staff. And let me be real clear. If this was any other team, guess what? And they had one black coach? Well, nobody's saying nothing because they used to that.

That's how you do it. All right. Michael Harris, I appreciate it, my brother. Thanks a bunch. Look at this. See, see, Scott, I told you. You know, when you got omegas with some sense, I bring them on like Michael. I bring them on. Oh, really? Oh, really? You know, I, I,egas with some sense, I bring them on like Michael. I bring them on. Oh, really?

Oh, really? You know, I... Look, there are exceptions to omegas and candy. All right, we got to go. Let's go to a break. We'll be right back. On the Blackstar Network.

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25 million black and Latino voters are missing or incorrectly listed on databases. This is according to a report from the Democracy and Power Innovation Fund. Databases are sold by folks in politics and used by campaigns to conduct voter outreach. Joining us right now is Miriam McKinney-Gray, the founder and CEO of McKinney-Gray Analytics. She analyzed the data based on U.S. census records. Joins us from Elkridge, Maryland. Glad to have you, Miriam.

So of the 25 million, where are they located? Are they dispersed even across the country or are they in a lot of Southern states? Hi, thank you for having me. I want to say that first of all, this is across the United States generally. So this number is based on Stanford research that was published a couple of years ago that talks about the issue of voter file missingness. They use survey data, they go and they talk to people in their homes, and then they compile the results of being able to match two voter files. So in the end, what they found was that Black and brown people were missing or mislisted at a much higher rate than white counterparts. And this is across the country.

So what I did was I really took the census citizen voting age population data and did a broad estimate of how many people are missing across the United States. And look, that's a big number. And look, that's margins of victory. Again, Sherri Beasley lost, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court in North Carolina, by 401 votes. You look at Biden-Harris winning Georgia, winning Arizona, winning Nevada. And so this matters. And what we see is we see these Republicans in a lot of these places, you know, removing folks from the voting rolls. The Supreme Court allowed that to happen. It was a white man in Ohio who actually sued. The Supreme Court said, yeah, y'all can go ahead and remove him. And just because he hadn't voted in several different elections and they are

using these methods to purposely trim folks off because that can make the difference between winning and losing. Absolutely. And one question that I've often fielded after publishing research on this topic is, you know, why are folks missing? What are the reasons why, you know, approximately 25 million, and this is likely on, um, on the lower end of the estimate. If you take into account the fact that the census routinely undercounts black and brown communities. So the number is likely higher. Um, I feel the question, you know, why are folks missing? And one of the number one reasons is voter file purges. So, you know, after a certain amount of time, if you haven't voted or say you've moved or whatever reason, whatever the reason may be, you could be purged, excuse me, from your state's voter file.

And this could be erroneous. And this is largely one of the reasons why folks are missing. Also, moving from location to location frequently. So we see that renters are often missing or mislisted at a much higher rate than homeowners, and it definitely correlates to socioeconomic status. Additionally, we see things like incorrect voter file models that are sold by commercial data vendors. They can incorrectly predict whether or not you're a Black person, whether or not you're white. And these types of models are something that I talk about in my

research as well. They are really a newer sort of concept. I don't think that the greater public really knows too much about them. I recently learned about them, you know, only about 10 years ago when I was in graduate school. So these algorithms that are based on voter files actually can be really inaccurate, especially if you're Black. And then that then plays into the voter file missingness. So it's very much a cycle and it's all related in that way. Questions for the panel. Rebecca, you first. Thanks so much for being on here tonight. You know, in my previous role, I've worked in campaigns for about 20 years, and I noticed like around 2012 is when I started to see the predictability on race. And like, as you said,

from working on the campaign side, I've often had access to that data. And the data on white people were accurate, but the data on black people was wildly inaccurate. Latinos, it was a little bit more accurate because it looked at surnames. And then with Asian-Americans, Pacific Islanders, it also looked at surnames as well. So my question for you, you showed the data. There was a recent New York Times piece that talked about upwards 14 million black voters have been left out from voting since the Shelby case. So that's been about, you know, 11-year buildup. So in your research, do you have possible solutions on how to reach out to this missing 25 million folks? Yes, definitely. I've talked about this topic with my colleagues for

about four years now since I started my work with the DPI Fund, and we've come up with lots of different tactical solutions. One of them is that folks that we work with, so local and national power building organizations that focus mainly on contacting black and brown communities and empowering them, that these organizations should curate their own voter files. So whether that be purchasing a a commercial, excuse me, data file from a vendor and then adding to it or changing things, making sure that things are correct.

That is an option. You know, creating your own lists of people with demographic information, accurate address information. That is really important. You know, we know each other and we have to build on the trust of our family and friends. That's really important. That's something that I advise. Another thing which is related would be lean into relational organizing rather than get out the vote based on a voter file. So again, family and friends, making sure that you are creating text campaigns at your organization

so that folks can make sure that they are reaching out to 10, 20 folks within their own communities and then getting information from them. And then a third solution would be leaning into same-day voter registration. So many U.S. states have this ability. I think it depends on the type of election in some states. But the ability to register to vote on the same day of an election is important. And if you can get out that knowledge and information to the people in your membership bases, that can be really pivotal and important. Todd? I'm interested in the disaggregation of some of the numbers.

The Electoral College elects the president, so it's not a popular vote. And when we look at where these purges are taking place. Has there been any look back on the outcomes of elections to see what these purges have actually turned into in terms of real-time election results that could have swung the other way had the purging not taken place? Definitely. So two of my colleagues at the DPI Fund, one, her name is Liz McK published, where they looked at winning the Midwest. So recent elections that were happening in states like Michigan, Minnesota, and they looked at the voter file purges that actually happened over the past, I think it was at least

five or 10 years. And they compared the margins of victory in those years. And it really is the case that these voter file purges are affecting elections, in my opinion, and that we would be winning more of them if these voter file purges were not happening. Like thousands of people, right? And then you compare it to how many votes won that election. Either one way or the other. And it's those thousands. So it really this is really the topic that I think could make or break an election, especially this year. Scott. I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes.

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You can go to ascensivehome.org to find out more information. Together, we can help our L.A. community rebuild. It takes all of us. Thank you for being on. But the $25 million, the analysis can't end there. I mean, think about it. I understand the strategies for going after them, but if I'm purged from a voter roll and I'm a voter, I registered, then why is the onus on us to go back and get those voters?

How come those 25 million voters aren't raising their hand or screaming or showing up to vote and they're not on the roll and they're not registering again? I mean, aren't the 25 million missing people from the voter roll, aren't they partly responsible if they don't try to vote or fix what's wrong with them? I'm not blaming them, but I'm kind of partially blaming them. What's your analysis to say about that? Yeah, that is a really good point. I've thought about that as well. I would say that mainly what has fueled me in continuing this research and when thinking about that question is the outrage I feel about how these systems, I feel, particularly circumvent marginalized communities, so Black and brown people, and what it feels to be on purpose. So when you start to look into issues of voter file missingness or vote propensity being so inaccurate for Black people, it feels like it's all done

for a reason, and maybe it is. But I would say, if you're a person who's missing from a voter file, it's likely that you're never going to be contacted by a traditional campaign or even maybe even a state-based campaign, right? They're not going to see you. They don't know where you live. They have no idea who you are. And so how would they ever be able to help you and give you some information? They wouldn't.

And so with popular methods that currently exist in politics, yes, these millions of black and brown people are completely invisibilized, left in the dark. And while, like you said, as adults, it is partially our responsibility to maintain awareness of things going on, I would also say that the white people who aren't missing from voter files don't have to deal with this, right? They get sent mailers. They get called. They get people showing up to their houses, canvassers. They don't have to remember every little thing. People are showing up to their door to remind them.

But white people get purged, too. Are you saying white people don't get purged? I guess what I'm saying is that 25 million black and brown voters have to be affirming in some way, shape, or form. They've thought enough about voting to register, and now they get purged. They know about elections coming up. I mean, how come they're not voting or trying to re-register or doing something to effectuate being invisible voters? I want to share the responsibility. Well, because because how come black people aren't affirmatively trying to re-register or vote? Well, Scott, my well, because first of all, first of all, because because Scott,

let's be real clear. Let's be real clear. Hold on one second. Let's be real. I'm going to Rebecca. Let's be real clear. First, a lot of people don't necessarily know the elections are coming up. I mean, I'm telling you right now, as somebody who has been on the road, not not everyone knows. Let's also talk about elections. When we talk about elections in this country, obviously, the presidential election gets all the attention. But you've got any number of elections, state, county, school district, bond initiatives or whatever. The problem still is, is that when you have these Republicans who are trying to use every maneuver to shave folks off. To me, if somebody hasn't voted in two years and they still living at the address, I don't understand what the problem is. But you have folks who are by design

trying to pick people off. Look, the study was done in Georgia. They broke it down. It was only four or five people who were responsible for trying to challenge the voting registration of 20, 30, 40,000 people. And so they are passing laws that are letting these renegades do all they can to target people. That's a huge part of this problem. Rebecca, real quick before I go to break for my next guest. Yeah. So, Miriam, my organization actually filed multiple lawsuits, including several lawsuits in Wisconsin over voter purge. And Scott, what happens is voters are contacted two ways. Either If they're a local elections clerk where they're getting information that, hey, there's a vote coming up, here's your

registration, check your registration, or parties are reaching out to them because they're utilizing a voter file. What happens when these people don't show up accurately in the voter file, we also see when you have voter purges that are nefarious that are going on, not the list maintenance that the law allows, these people aren't being told that they're being purged from the list. Instead, they will show up, they will try to vote, and they're told, oh, well, you can't vote today or we'll give you a provisional ballot. That's not the same as letting them know, hey, you were kicked off, you actually need to go, and you need to fix this defect. So the issue is, a lot of people who were registered to vote, wanted to stay registered to vote, aren't being told that they're being kicked off of rolls, or if they get kicked off,

or they have issues on the day of voting, they're not always being told why. And unfortunately, this disproportionately impacts Black voters, and then voters with Latino-sounding surnames and Asian-sounding surnames. This is a reality in a lot of states in our country. Got it. And then it's compounded. And then it's compounded not only by that, it's compounded by the moving of voting locations, changing, shutting, pulling locations down. I mean, it's a whole, look, it's a whole,

voter suppression is an entire industry. Miriam, I appreciate you joining us. Thank you so very much. Folks, got to go to break. We'll come back. We're going to be chatting with another black female district attorney, a progressive, being. A recall effort this time in California. You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Support us in what we do. Join our Bring the Funk fan club. Senior check and money order. P.O. Box 57196. Washington, D.C. 20037-0196.

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we had maybe one argument like that right and it was captured but of course that's the thing that you know absolutely people want to see. But yeah, that kind of thing happens. Some days that's with, you know, your voice isn't good today, let's just go see a movie or let's go just chill.

You know, some days it's tough love, like you got to do that again. me sherry shepard and you know what you're watching roland martin unfiltered so Well, folks, it has been common to see black female district attorneys being targeted and attacked. We've seen it all around the country. Now it's happening in Alameda County, California, where Pamela Price is facing a recall. Look, she was recently elected to the job. Now, folks are suggesting that her criminal justice reform efforts are causing significant problems with crime in the area. Opponents have been actively

gathering petition signatures to force a recall election. Since July, they've raised $212,000 from donors, including prominent tech executives, retirees, and former prosecutors. Pamela Price joins us now from Oakland, California. Pamela, here's what's so crazy. You were barely in office, and they were blaming you for crime, and it was like, I wasn't here. We saw what happened in San Francisco. Recall there of the DA there.

You have all these people going, oh, my God, crime is out of control. But how can you blame a person who wasn't even here when these things were happening? And do you believe that this, look, they're simply blowing this out of proportion, and they don't want to own up to the conditions that have been created by many of these tech companies in Oakland and San Francisco as contributing to the problems there. Clearly, what has inspired the attacks against me is politics. It's a political attack against progressives and particularly progressive district attorneys. And certainly as a Black woman, I have experienced it at the most extreme level. But it's not an accident. It's very intentional. And so it's very unfortunate that my community has been targeted as well.

On that particular point, so you've now been, you were elected DA when? I was elected in November of 2022. And we took office in January of 2023, and you're right. While I was still unpacking boxes, assessing where we were going to land in the office, they started a recall. Okay, so you've been in office now 15 months and they were citing, they were citing, oh, these reforms she's instituted aren't working. You hadn't even instituted them yet. No, I had not. The first petition to start the recall started in February. And then the first rally of last year, I took office in January.

In February, they started a petition to recall me. And then in April, they had their first rally with signs and banners, very well financed. There they are, signs, banners, financed, well financed already before we had done anything. So it's not about my policies. This is about politics and moving the country to the right, particularly in the realm of criminal justice reform. So how do you respond to your critics? I mean, what are you saying to them as they try to say, oh, it's her policies, it's all her? And who's standing with you? We say often every lie has an expiration date. And so what we are telling is the truth, which is that I am protecting public safety.

I am working for and about victims, having been a victim myself in many ways. I'm a survivor of sexual assault, of sexual harassment, of police misconduct, as well as the foster care and the juvenile justice system. So I bring all of that lens of experience, lived experience, to this position. And I understand how victims are treated by the system and what they go through and what they need. And so what I say to them is we are working on improving the services that we provide to victims, despite the allegations that we don't care about victims, that I am in charge of an office that has 400-plus employees and 10 locations, and we are doing an excellent job of rebuilding this office

because what we found was that it lacked systems of management, accountability, and communication. And we've taken that task on, and my team has done an outstanding job over the last year. And we are prosecuting people every day in Alameda County. So our strategy is to tell the truth. Questions from my panel. Todd, you're first. I was interested in looking at the video that was playing as you were talking about the situation there in Alameda County,

about where they found some of the folks to hold the sign. Some of it just seems to be a little bit incredible for me. Who is actually behind this move to push for this recall? Usually there's a money interest and an identity either individually or by an organization. Who is actually behind it, and what are we doing to actually discredit the source of the effort to discredit you? We have identified those millionaires who have funded this recall. In particular, one person, Andrew Dreyfuss, has spent more than a half a million dollars on it. These are real estate developers. As people may know, Alameda is under the stress of gentrification, particularly my beloved Oakland. And so there are real estate developers that don't want to see a progressive prosecutor who will try to fix our problems without over-criminalizing and locking people up.

So we've identified the millionaires. They've spent $3 million to get signatures for this recall. And if it were not for that $3 million, we would not be having this conversation. What's the value of the land that they're trying to take control over? I'm sorry? We have Alameda County is a beautiful area. Oakland is perfectly situated. We are at the crossroads of the East Bay. It's a fabulous area. Oakland is perfectly situated. We are at the crossroads of the East Bay. It's a fabulous area. We have on the south, we have the Silicon Valley. On the north, we have the

Napa Valley. So we are perfectly situated for people to want to come in and move out and take over this property. It is a land grab for sure. Yeah, but Scott, but Pamela, having represented female district attorneys as a criminal defense lawyer, I agree you are all under attack. But what makes your piece unique is that the recall started 30 days, roughly, after you were duly elected. Your discretion is key to your position. And others that don't look

like you all around this country have been free to exercise discretion because the people, the voters, have said they trust your discretion. Here, it started almost immediately. I understand what you're saying about the tech people and the real estate people, but they're not even in your bailiwick. They're businesses, of course, but you've only been in office about a year. We know that police reform and prosecutorial reform and not prosecuting low level crimes works. There's empirical data from like Johnsing low-level crimes works. There's empirical data from, like, Johns Hopkins to say that it works and frees resources. And you look at bad cases from 20 years ago, and you take another look at them.

That all works and makes the system better. I know you're saying that. But there's got to be something else at work here, because I'm a former prosecutor. I've been in criminal defense for 30-plus years. You just got in. There's got to be something else. I mean, maybe they don't like your hairdo, but that's no reason to recall you. My goodness. I like your hair, by the way. I'm using a silly example. I'm using a silly example as to why someone would get recalled within a year, within months of being elected by the people.

Yeah, they liked my hair well enough to elect me to this position. Right, right. I am the first non-anointed, non-appointed district attorney in Alameda in 100 years since Earl Warren left. And you are absolutely right. Before I was elected— Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm sorry. Hold on. I'm sorry, Pamela. Repeat that again. I am the first non-anointed,

non-appointed district attorney in Alameda County in 100 years. So basically the powers that be in Alameda County did not pick you, the people did. That's exactly right. The people elected me. It's the first time we actually had a choice where the incumbent was not

on the ballot since 1938. And before that, Earl Warren was appointed in 1935. It was an open election, Roland. They've just been appointed by our board of supervisors. And before I was elected, nobody was questioning what the district attorney was doing, what her policies were, what the practice was, who was being hired. None of that was even reviewed, much less challenged in the way that I have been.

Wow. Wow. Wow. So where does this recall effort stand? Where does it, so is, well, how many senators do they have to gather to trigger an actual recall election? So the problem in Alameda County, we have a charter. And it's not a problem. Our charter is the law of our county.

The charter has one number. The state law has another number. So when this started, the charter was the law. But the Board of Supervisors and the county knew, because no one had ever done this before, that the charter had problems. They weren't going to be able to comply with the charter. And so they started picking and choosing what parts of the charter they liked and what parts of the state law they liked. So they picked the part of the charter that said they needed 73,000 signatures. The charter also says that those signatures should be gathered by people who vote, are registered voters in Alameda County.

They decided they didn't have to follow that part. The charter also says that the registrar has to count the ballots, the signatures, and verify the signatures within 10 days. They decided they didn't have to follow that part. So we're beyond the 10 days. We don't have, the only law that we have right now is the charter, but they're not following the charter. They're picking and choosing pieces from the state law.

All right then. Well, we'll keep monitoring and see what happens there. Keep up the fight, as I'm sure you will. We will protect the win. And if folks want to help us, we're contemplating legal action based on what we're experiencing. Please go to protect the win dot org and check it out and donate if you can. Thank you so much for having me. Protectthewind.org. Pamela Price, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

Thank you. Take care. Bye. Former Mississippi cops. I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time. Have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.

Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibillion-dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad.

It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug thing is. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill.

NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Cor vet. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working, and we need to change things. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real.

Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Hey, Drew Scott here, letting you know why I recently joined the board of an amazing nonprofit, A Sense of Home. For 10 10 years this charity has been creating homes for young people exiting foster care it's an incredible organization just days into the la fires they moved mountains to launch a new emergency relief program providing fully functional

home environments for those who lost everything in the fires please get involved sign up to volunteer donate furniture or even donate funds you can go to a sense of home.org to find out more information together we can help our LA community rebuild. It takes all of us. Racists, they get their sentence. One of them is going to spend a long time in jail hoping not to drop the soap. I'll tell you about it when we come back.

Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Blackstar Network. I have something I want to tell you. I am running for president. Of the United States? Holy. I'm paving the road for a lot of other people looking like me to get elected. Brooklyn's first black representative. You're about to make history.

You're going to be president? You ain't no man. Maybe we should find your mother. All you got is your one vote. You sound just like every other politician. Do I look like every other politician? Freedom! Truly, you can't win.

And why can't I win? I have an opportunity to make a difference. Freedom! Truly, you can't win. And why can't I win? I have an opportunity to make a difference. Creation! This isn't a campaign. It's a joke. The only thing anybody's going to remember is that there were a bunch of black folks who

made fools of themselves. I'll kill you! See, too much suffering. And I don't know how to not try. I don't think I'm special. I just want to remind people what's possible. We need something that's going to make some noise. The Black Panthers and Shirley Chisholm. It's like thunder and lightning.

I'm going to force all the politicians to be held accountable. You're gonna do all that? I'm a school teacher from Brooklyn. Harriet was just a slave. Rosa was just a domestic. What is it you do for a living again? Lady, I'm golden! The people of America are watching us! Lady, I'm golden. Hey, it's John Murray, the executive producer of the new Sherry Shepard Talk Show. You're watching Rolling Mark. Until then. So, folks, remember we told you about those white cops in Mississippi, now former cops, who viciously tortured two black men?

Well, two more learned their faith today in a federal courtroom. Daniel Opdike was sentenced to 17 and a half years in prison for the January 2023 racially motivated torture and sexual assault of Michael Jenkins and Eddie Parker, as well as a subsequent plan to cover up their crimes. Opdike cried during the sentencing and said that his time in prison so far has helped him reflect on how I transformed into the monster I became that night. Christian Dedman will spend 40 years in prison for his role in torturing Jenkins and Parker. Former Rankin County Sheriff's Deputy Brett McAlpin and former Richland police officer Joshua Hartfield were sentenced on Thursday. Hunter L. Ward and Jeffrey Middleton were sentenced on Tuesday to 17 and a half and 20 years in prison. You know what, Todd? If I had to play a song right now, it'd probably be my homeboy from Houston, Scarface.

No tears. Yes, it's hard to muster up a little bit of concern when, quite honestly, the sentence should include not only time but experience. Let the same thing be done unto you that you did unto others. That's called the law of reciprocity. But since they've been spared that, now they get to come away with this all of a sudden redemptive response that says, oh, I can now see the error of my ways. It's amazing what getting caught does to make you see the error of your ways. But the truth of the matter is, is that there's a system that enabled this behavior all the way up to the point that they were actually caught. And so we have to go back and not just find a bit of satisfaction in their sentencing, but some motivation to go back and change the system that allowed it

to flourish and fester until it got to this point. We've got more work to do. Scott, I ain't trying to hear a damn thing from these racist bastards. Yeah, two points I want to make. This goon squad, they were especially inhumane. They not only sodomized and beat and shot and other things to these two black men, but they had a reputation. They did this to a white motorist before they even did this to these two black men in this house who were allegedly living with a white woman. This is like something out of a movie. I mean, this is just pure evil.

That's the first thing. Second thing is, Todd is right. The sheriff, this goon squad, the sheriff knew about this goon squad. Everybody on the force knew about this goon squad because you can't have a name like goon squad without it being known. And so Todd's talking about the festering and the system. This comes from leadership because if leadership knows about it and tolerates it, then leadership needs to go. The sheriff of this county or this police department, the lead, right, he's still there, and he can only say they went rogue.

They didn't go rogue. They went inhumane. I mean, just beyond just police brutality, if you can get beyond police brutality, they really did a number on these two black cats as well as a white motorist. How often do you see facts like that with these four or five really bad, bad cops that were allowed to stay under force under the name of gun squad? So that's the problem with local and federal police

departments. The leadership at the top does not keep their own people accountable. Then they come in when something goes wrong like this, very wrong. Then they want to do cleanup, Band-Aid, and keep their jobs. The problem is if you tolerate bad apples, you are as bad of an apple if you tolerate it as the bad apples that maimed and killed and brutalized innocent citizens. Full stop. You know, Rebecca, what amazes me is to listen to these folks, these sheriffs

and others. We were just unaware of these things. Man, cut this crap out. That's bullshit. First of all, we are not talking about major cities. We're talking about small towns. They knew about these goons. They knew about these thugs.

And so I'm not buying none of that crap. None of it. Not at all. Not at all. Over and over, we say, oh, it's just a few bad apples. But here's the thing. I'm convinced each time that we cover stories like these is that any time you have an inherently racist institution that was created post-slavery to make sure the newly freed Black folks were under heel or to force these newly freed Black folks back

into indentured servitude, a.k.a. sharecropping. And then when we saw the rise in prisons as a way to have free labor through the 13th Amendment, the more I'm convinced these are racist institutions. So I don't even think a racist institution, the way we're seeing the outcome with many law enforcement agencies in this country, I don't see how there is reform. So, you know, when George Floyd happened, there were many folks who were up in arms saying defund the police. And a lot of people who were dealing with respectability politics said, well, no, we need police. Do we? Before we had those modern-day law enforcement agencies that do very anti-Black things, we had Pinkertons, we had

detectives. Those were people who actually solved crime. Instead, we're seeing state-funded and state-allowed terrorism on Black people in this country that unfortunately is happening at the hands of law enforcement. So at some point, we have to figure out with whether or not this, if this is working for us. And it's very clear each time we cover stories like this, that this status quo is not working for us, not just not working for black folks, but it's not working in this country. No, it's, it's not. But look, I appreciate, again, an aggressive Biden-Harris Department of Justice Civil Rights Division that did their part here and got these guilty pleas.

And so, again, I hope these thugs stay in jail for a long time and say hello to all the brothers y'all might encounter while you are there all right uh uh control room do y'all have a jasmine crocker video all right y'all uh earlier today this is the last story uh today on capitol hill they had another one of those stupid impeachment discussions that hasn't gone anywhere. Democrats are roasting these fools. But that was nobody roasting them like Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett. I just had to play this here, and I can't wait to get the panel's reaction to this.

Rowan! Do you know who Elections LLC is? Yeah. Well, it's not a who. Okay, well, do you know what it is? Yes, it's LLC. Okay, and is it the LLC that your attorney works for? I believe so, yes. You believe so, okay. So at this point in time, I'd ask unanimous consent to enter into the record a document indicating that the law firm representing Tony Bobulinski was paid $10,000 as recently as

January of this year by the Save America PAC, which you may recognize as Donald Trump's PAC. Without objection. Thank you. Now, so far in this hearing, it has felt like the worst episode of The Apprentice. I'm sure you're familiar with that show. It seems like my colleagues and maybe you and some others are trying to become the next vice president of the United States of America. You're auditioning or something like that because, Mr. Bobulinski, I know that you take exception to the fact that your credibility has been called into question over and over. But when someone comes to testify under oath, whether it's before this committee, behind closed doors, or in person, then we have to evaluate someone's credibility.

And, sir, I definitely have always had issues with your credibility, as I know that you are very well aware of. So let me remind you of what happened behind closed doors. I haven't asked you a question. Okay? You are? I haven't. So when I ask you a question, that's when you answer.

Otherwise, I'm talking. So with my time, because it's my time, I want to be clear that when we were behind closed doors, you called a number of people liars. You called the Wall Street Journal liars. You called Cassidy Hutchison a liar. You called the FBI a liar. You called Rob Walker a liar.

You called James Gilear a liar. You called Hunter Biden a liar. You called Jim Walker a liar. You called James Gilear a liar. You called Hunter Biden a liar. You called Jim Biden a liar. And just today, you added to your list. You called my colleague, Congressman Mr. Goldman, a liar as well. It seems like, according to you, the only person that's telling the truth is you, and everyone else is lying. But I want to move on to something else. Is that a question?

It's not a question. Okay. You'll know when I ask you a question. I promise. Thank you. So the other thing that I want to talk about is the fact that my colleague from the other side of the aisle talked about the company that we keep and she wanted to go through a list of people that she felt like were bad company because right now the majority has been relying upon the testimony of someone who's currently sitting in federal prison and we know

that your company is the company of somebody who's been found liable of fraud as well as defamation, as well as sexual assault, and for whatever reason can't pay his bills at this point in time. But I'm going to ask Mr. Parnas, so this is a question to him. Are you aware if Trump had any associates that have been found guilty of anything? Yes, lots of them. of them me included you included okay so when you were called here to testify you weren't called here to testify for any other reason than to tell the truth is that correctwoman. Now, we started this whole sham off because of the 1023. And that was debunked by you, was it not? Yes, Congresswoman.

Way before we started this impeachment inquiry. And you mentioned a number of times this guy by the name of Rudy Giuliani. Yes. Now, you know, everybody is so stressed about the fact that Hunter ain't here today, but you know, Hunter came and testified behind closed doors for over six hours and every single one of them, they weren't limited to five minutes. They could ask whatever they wanted to. And there is a full transcript of his testimony. So I don't know what else they wanted to do besides the fact that they wanted to put on a show. But let me tell you something. This whole thing is based upon something that Giuliani came up with yes and and we tried to subpoena him if I'm that's what I remember if anybody else remember we tried we asked we said hey we should subpoena Giuliani but you know kind

of like when we were trying to get his cell phone they shut it down right like they don't want the facts but you would agree with me that considering the fact that you were working under Rudy Giuliani at the time that you went over to Ukraine, that he has maybe some valuable information that he could offer this committee as to whether or not there's anything that we should be investigating in the first place. Absolutely, Congresswoman. I wish that this committee would subpoena Rudy Giuliani, put him on their oath alongside me to get to the bottom of the truth of what actually happened in Ukraine and to the manipulation that Trump and Giuliani and the team went to do. I agree with you, but somehow it doesn't look like we're going to get there. And I thank you for your time. Oh, another BS hearing, Scott. And she was just like on his ass, like, is that a question?

Oh, you know when I ask your ass a question. She's a sharp legislator, a sharp lawyer, I think, who just happens to be a black woman. And I say it like that because I don't like undermining her excellence by saying she's a strong black woman. No, she's a strong, bright, capable legislator who happens to be black. That's my new thing. And I'll be honest with you, I've seen her in action a few times on the hill at these hearings. And she's young, you know, and she's fearless. And she's a lion or a lioness. And I got to tell you, she's going to be a weapon. And she's my congresswoman.

In the future. Is she really? She's your congresswoman, too? I thought you lived in Virginia. Yes. No, no, no, no, no, no. Hold up, hold up. No, no, no.

Not, too. Let me explain some of you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me explain. See, again, though. See, you cappers. See, you hear you uninformed cappers. Is that what you're saying?

You uninformed cappers. Let me— Listen, you uninformed capper. Listen to me. Let me explain something to you. Texas has a homestead law. So my home there is my homestead. I am still registered.

See, right there. See, you ain't informed. Because you caas have limited knowledge of America. Rebecca, what you saw there was you saw her Rebecca, you saw her checking you saw her checking him, Rebecca

and he tried to get he tried to get a little frog and she's like, alright, don't jump. You know, I would say her being a strong black woman, her being a black one woman is a golden crown. So I'll always leave. She is a black woman who is an excellent legislature on your behalf and other Texans in the Dallas area. I think it's fantastic. Um, you know, I really like seeing how she's evolving on the national scale.

And when people talk about what is the future specifically of the Democratic Party, we are looking in real time at the future of the Democratic Party. One thing that I appreciate about Congresswoman Crockett is that even though she is a part of the Democratic Party and the apparatus, she also leads with black values. And I think that's important. Don't just be elected to Congress as a Black woman, as a Black legislature, but also make sure that you are leading with Black values that brings the entire community

along. So I appreciate watching her in action. Todd? It was reminiscent of what I've seen my mama do in the house many a time. Let me assure you that if you dare come the wrong way, mama has a can of whoop-ass right here by the side. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun?

Sometimes the answer is yes, but there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad.

It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June

4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way.

Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug thing is. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown.

We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things.

Stories matter and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two

on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Hey, Drew Scott here, letting you know why I recently joined the board of an amazing nonprofit, A Sense of Home.

For 10 years, this charity has been creating homes for young people exiting foster care. It's an incredible organization. Just days into the LA fires, they moved mountains to launch a new emergency relief program providing fully functional home environments for those who lost everything in the fires. Please get involved. Sign up to volunteer, donate furniture, or even donate funds. You can go to asenseofhome.org to find out more information. Together, we can help our LA community rebuild. It takes all of us. She's going to keep her curls in place. She's not going to lose her dignity. But when it's all said and done, if you decide you want to talk back to me, you will know when I ask you a question when I'm done talking. That is classic out of the playbook

of black excellence called Mama. Kudos to Congresswoman Crockett. And I like the fact that she got left to say, I want Rudy to come sit next to me too. At the end of the day, Mama Witt will ruin all of your hustle and make everybody look like blithering idiots and not one person that I heard from that clip came back.

Hey, Todd. Hey, Todd, the only thing she left out was the switch. Absolutely. Bring a switch with you. That part. Bring that switch. Well, we only reserved that for unruly cappers. All right.

Todd, Rebecca, Lil' Cap or Scott Bolden, we appreciate. Say my name. Say my name. What? Aloysius. Aloysius. Say my name. Yeah, Aloysius.

Give me your driver's license. Well, first of all, what was your – oh, see, look at that. You got Todd throwing the ice up. So you got Rebecca over there. Rebecca, ain't you AK? Yes, I am. First Sam. All right, we got –

Oh, God. All right, we got Scott over there dropping canes or shitting, whatever the hell y'all do these days. I'm shitting you now. I don't know what y'all do. I don't know what the hell y'all do. I don't know what the hell y'all do. So y'all do whatever. We don't care. All right, that's the hell y'all do. I don't know what the hell y'all do. So y'all do whatever. We don't care.

All right, that's it, y'all. Yeah, we don't. Just close the show out now. You got to talk about the campus. Just close the show out because I got something to go do. See, let me hold on. Let me pull up my iPad. Here we go.

He's about to. Let me find it. I've got to go. We don't have time for this, Roland. Roland, you can tell us about giving a driver's license in Texas. You can talk more about that. Yeah, no, my driver's license is a Texas driver's license. Oh, look, matter of fact, I'm going to find that video on my iPad

of them Kappas dropping them canes at Clark Atlanta Homecoming. And so we're going to keep that on a forever loop for Scott. That's a rerun. No, no. Actually, no. You have to count the number of times

the cane was dropped. I think we got to at least 6,000 times before it was over. Scott, y'all always dropping Scott, y'all always dropping canes, so hell, that ain't nothing new. Hey, man, I gotta go. It's like groundhog day.

I gotta do a conference call, man. I'll look at the cane dropping later. I'm out. Hey, Todd, great talking to you. Yeah, all right, Kappa. Great seeing you, man. All right, folks, that's it for us. I'll look at the cane dropping later. I'm out. Hey, Todd, great talking to you. Yeah, all right, Kappa. Great seeing you, man. All right, folks, that's it for us. I appreciate it. Folks, we're going to be restreaming our red carpet from

the Shirley red carpet last night. The documentary, the movie on Shirley, Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm, airs on Netflix. It drops March 22nd. So, y'all check it out. We got some great interviews. Go to our YouTube channel, go to Black Star Network app. You can see that. We're also setting up some additional interviews you're going to be able to see as well. So we're definitely

supportive of that. Carnage Woman Shirley Chisholm, the first black woman elected to Congress, 1968. So you don't want to miss Regina King did an absolutely amazing job directed by John Ridley. So it was fantastic. So y'all be sure to check it out. So and again, we want to thank Netflix for partnering with us. See what happened. All these other people, you know, stars, HBO, Showtime, Prime Video, Hulu, Peacock, HBO Max, all these people. They always want their talent to come to our show. So they value our audience by wanting to send their talent to the show. They never want to bring advertising dollars.

And I'm like, no, y'all can't come on. Straight up, y'all can't come on. Straight up, y'all can't come on. And so we appreciate that Netflix respects our audience enough to say, hey, we have content. We also advertise in dollars. And so we appreciate that. Folks, that's it for us. Be sure to support. First of all, I'm rocking.

I dropped the lower third. Y'all see I'm rocking St. Augustine's University. They have some difficult issues, lost their accreditation. We're going to be talking about that as well. But I just want to go ahead and, you know, rock their hoodie today. Thanks for watching, folks. Be sure to support our Bring the Funk fan club. You can join the goals and get 20,000 of our fans contributing on average. 50 bucks each is $4.19 a month, $0.13 a day.

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Download the audio version on Audible. And we're going to play in a second, so control room, get this ready. Y'all, my one-on-one interview with one of the greatest musicians, producers in history, Jimmy Jam. It is live. We're going to be restreaming that. We streamed it early. I think we're streaming it after the show as well. Right, Kenan? And so here is the promo for my

interview with Jimmy Jam. Terry and I, we couldn't play in the white clubs in Minnesota. It felt like such a strength through adversity type moment that I think black people just have to go through.

You know, we have to figure it out. You know, we make, you know, lemons out of lemonade. But there's a reason we rented a ballroom, did our own show, promoted it, got like 1,500 people to come out. Clubs were sitting empty. They were like, where's everybody at? And I said, they're down watching the band you wouldn't hire.

So it taught us not only that we had the talent of musicians, but we also had the talent of entrepreneurship. It wasn't like a seat at the table. It's like, no, let's build the table. That's right. We've got to build the table. And that was the thing. And of course, after that, we got all kinds of offers.

Of course. Right, to come play in the clubs. But we didn't do it. You're like, now we're good. No, was the thing. And of course, after that, we got all kinds of offers. Of course. Right, to come play in the clubs. But we didn't do it. We said, no, we're good. No, we're good. We're good. And that's what put us on a path of national.

And of course, when Prince made it, then it was like, okay, we be sure to check that out, my conversation with Jimmy Jam. That's it. I'll see y'all tomorrow. Right here, Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Holla! Black Star Network is here.

Oh, no punches! A real revolutionary right now. Thank you for being the voice of Black America. All momentum we have now, we have to keep this going. The video looks phenomenal. See, there's a difference between Black Star Network and Black-owned media and something like CNN. You can't be Black-owned media and be scared. It's time to be smart.

Bring your eyeballs home. You dig? Thank you. Just days into the LA fires, they moved mountains to launch a new emergency relief program, providing fully functional home environments for those who lost everything in the fires. Please get involved. Sign up to volunteer, donate furniture, or even donate funds. You can go to ascensivehome.org to find out more information. Together, we can help our LA community rebuild. It takes all of us. I know a lot of cops. They get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future

where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. Listen to Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio appheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts i'm clayton english i'm greg glad and this is season two of the war on drugs last year a lot of the problems of the drug war this year a lot of the biggest names in music and sports this kind of starts that in a little, man. We met them at their homes. We met them at their recording studios.

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