#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Defense Dept. deletes Jackie Robinson info, DOGE cuts Fair Housing Grants, DOE grants reinstated

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

3.19.2025 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Defense Dept. deletes Jackie Robinson info, DOGE cuts Fair Housing Grants, DOE grants reinstated The Defense Department claims it was a mistake to delete pages on the Navajo Code Talkers, black Medal of Honor recipients, Jackie Robinson, and Ira Hayes, one of the Marines who raised the flag on Iwo Jima. Movie director Spike Lee has a lot to say about the MAGA movement's efforts to erase Black history. Fair housing groups have filed lawsuits against HUD and DOGE regarding the cancellation of fair housing grants. Pennsylvania State Senator Vincent Hughes will explain what he is doing to combat efforts to dismantle anti-discrimination measures in housing. It seems the Texas Governor is delaying the scheduling of a special election to fill the late Congressman Sylvester Turner's House seat. We'll speak with one candidate eager to represent the 18th Congressional District. And March Madness has kicked off with a historic victory by Alabama State University, which defeated Saint Francis to secure the school's first tournament win. #BlackStarNetwork partner: Fanbasehttps://www.startengine.com/offering/fanbase This Reg A+ offering is made available through StartEngine Primary, LLC, member FINRA/SIPC.  This investment is speculative, illiquid, and involves a high degree of risk, including the possible loss of your entire investment. You should read the Offering Circular (https://bit.ly/3VDPKjD) and Risks (https://bit.ly/3ZQzHl0) related to this offering before investing. Download the #BlackStarNetwork app on iOS, AppleTV, Android, Android TV, Roku, FireTV, SamsungTV and XBox  http://www.blackstarnetwork.com The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You can see behind me the Texas State Capitol. The governor of Texas is playing games when it comes to scheduling an election for the seat of deceased Congressman Sylvester Turner, the 18th congressional district in Houston. We'll be talking about that also with one of the folks who's running. We expect as many as 15 people to throw their hats into the ring for this particular seat. Also, here in Texas, they were talking about DEI on the floor of the Texas Senate. You see the battles that continue to take place all across this country. Also, I'm going to tell you about this massive Confederate monument that's on the ground here in Texas.

And if you want to understand how MAG is operating, they defend Confederate monuments, yet they are removing the pages of historic African Americans in Washington, D.C. The Trump folks got busted removing the page from the Department of Defense regarding Jackie Robinson's work in the U.S. Army. Now they put it back. We'll be talking to Spike Lee about that. Also, HUD is being sued for changes that they're making as well to follow Trump's MAGA dictate.

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Putting it down from sports to news to politics. With entertainment just for kicks, he's rolling. It's on go, go, go, y'all. It's rolling,oro, yo. It's Rollin' Martin, yeah. Rollin' with Rollin' now. He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best, you know he's Rollin' Martin now. Yeah. Martin! Martel Hey folks, we've been telling you a lot

about what is happening in Washington, D.C. and how MAGA's doing all they can to erase black people. In a little bit, we're going to be talking with Director Spike Lee, who was really upset with the Department of Defense removing the pages regarding Jackie Robinson from about his tenure in the United States Army. So we're going to talk about that in a second. But let me explain to you how these MAGA people operate.

So as I said, I'm here in Austin, Texas. This is the state capitol, as you see it right here. But I want you all to understand something. So you see above there, you have the U.S. flag, and you have the Texas state flag as well. And so this here is the grounds of the Texas state capital. So as I pan left, I want you to see this right here. This, folks, here is a massive Confederate monument that sits on the grounds of the Texas State Capitol. Yeah, you heard that right. So let me walk over here, and I want you to see something. And so what you're going to see is, again, so what this is, this is a massive monument to domestic terrorists. So when you

see this monument here, so you see right there, it says, died for state's rights guaranteed under the Constitution. Well, those of us who know our own history know that's absolute trash. We know this, it was about slavery. And so you see up there how they first say it says, Southern Confederacy formed by following states withdrawing from Union, South Carolina, December 20th, 1860. South Carolina, of course, was the first state to succeed from the Union over the issue of slavery. Anybody who actually read their document of succession knows it was

about slavery. So you go around here, and so what you're going to see is you're going to see on this side here, you see these are all the battles as well. So you see up here, Mississippi, January 9th, Florida, January 11th, Alabama, January 11th, Georgia, January 19th, Alabama January 11th, Georgia January 19th, 1861. And so then we go on this side over here. Then what you're going to see is up top, you're going to see Louisiana January 26th, Texas February 1st, Virginia April 17th, Arkansas May 6th, 1861. So they're listed when these are all the dates when these states seceded from the Union. Then, of course, you see up here, North Carolina, May 20th, Tennessee, June 24th. Hey, how you doing? Missouri, August 20th, Kentucky, December 10th, 1861.

So then, of course, you go over here and then you're going to see them claiming, again, 280, the number of battles that took place, Confederate folks. There were 2,257 engagements, 1,882 of these, at least one regiment took part, a number of men enlisted, Confederate armies. And so understand what we're seeing right here, what we're seeing right here on the grounds of the Texas Capitol. That means when every single child in Texas, black children as well, when they come to the Texas Capitol, a little bit earlier, I was in, I came here to visit some state representatives and some state senators, folks I've known for years. And so I ran into a group of folks from the NAACP. They also had the Black Chamber Day here at the U.S. Capitol. So I ran to them on the grounds. And so these Black kids,

so when Black children come to the Texas State Capitol, they are walking past this massive Confederate monument that you see right here. So these folks, they want to get rid of DEI. They want to get rid of NDC. They want to get rid of historic black figures and female figures. And instead, this is a perfect example of what you're seeing in these formerly Confederate states, where they have no problem with these massive monuments to these domestic terrorists. And let me also remind you, if y'all get Gerald Horne's book,

if you get his book on the Texas Revolution, the Texas Revolution set the stage for the Civil War. In the Texas Revolution, the Texas Revolution was all about slavery. It was about slavery. And so when you sit here and you look at this Texas Capitol and when you hear folks talk about the Texas Revolution, understand they frame this as about, oh, it was about freedom and it was all about the battle. No, that's not what it was about. Okay. So again, this here is this monument to domestic terrorists. Okay. People who fought in the Confederacy. And of course, it was all about for Texas to be free of Mexico. Texas became its own nation. Mexico had abolished slavery. And so if you go to San Antonio, when you hear the phrase, remember the Alamo, y'all,

that's a slave reference. The Alamo, that was a battle over slavery. The battle at San Jacinto, that was about defeating Mexico because Mexico wanted to stop slavery in the places it controlled. And so here you have, there's a hotel literally down the street named after Stephen F. Austin, okay? Because they call Stephen F. Austin, you know, the father of Texas and the year of Sam Houston. Well, here's the fact. The fact of the matter is here in Texas,

those individuals, those settlers, okay, who Mexico allowed to settle the land, they wanted to keep slavery for economic reasons. So I'm laying all of that out to you. So you now have an understanding that when we're dealing with MAGA in this country, how they want to stop certain textbooks, when they want to get rid of any number of things, these same people have no problem defending monuments like this. They want to keep these monuments standing. And so the problem is this here. When children today in Texas, in Alabama, in Mississippi, in Tennessee, in South Carolina, when they travel all around,

you know what ends up happening? They are being indoctrinated with Confederate history. They're being indoctrinated when they see these statues, when they see these monuments to these white domestic terrorists. These were the people who were defending slavery. They were not defending the Constitution. And so even here, OK, and again, I'm a native Texan. And so whenever I see these Texas politicians, when I see them post things like celebrating Texas Flag Day Revolution, I say, no, I'm reminding people exactly what this all about. It is actually about slavery. And in fact, when you had Rick Perry, when he was the governor of Texas,

so Texas A&M plays an annual football game with the University of South Carolina. And so he wanted to come up with something creative, a trophy for that game. So what they did is they came up with a trophy and they named it after a man from South Carolina who fought at the Alamo. And I've said to black players at Texas A&M and the University of South Carolina, whoever wins that game, don't you dare hold that trophy up because you are holding up a Confederate monument. You're holding up a trophy that is celebrating a man who wanted to keep black people in slavery. He died at the Alamo. He was not interested in black freedom. He was interested in white freedom and to continue

slavery. And so what we are facing here in this country, we're facing MAGA and others who desperately want this history to be told. They want this history to constantly be repeated. They want our children to be indoctrinated in learning about this history, learning about white history, learning about these domestic terrorists. And again, I just want y'all to understand, y'all see this massive monument that exists right here.

This here is the main thoroughfare in front of the Texas State Capitol. This over here is the Texas Capitol. You see there's a monument that's right over here. That's a small monument. You go over here and then you see this other monument here. But this massive monument is to white domestic terrorists who wanted to keep black people enslaved.

That's what this monument is to white domestic terrorists who wanted to keep black people enslaved. That's what this monument is. And so when we look at what MAGA is doing right now by, of course, trying to get rid of the page representing Jackie Robinson, his service for the U.S. Army. When they're getting rid of the pages about Congressional Medal of Honor winners, of the Medgar Evers and others. Now they got called out by sports journalists. So now all of a sudden they're saying, oh, that was a mistake. We didn't mean to do that. Well, this morning, folks,

when I was coming to Flyin' to Austin, I got an email from my homeboy, Spike Lee, asking me what was I aware of. And I told Spike, we've been covering this stuff, this erasure of African-American. He said, man, I got to come on. And so joining us right now, I'm rolling my unfiltered is Spike Lee.

What's up, Spike? What's up, what's up, what's up? I apologize for being late. It's all good. It's all good. Listen, I was supposed to... I was supposed to do my show... Keep speaking that truth, brother.

Keep speaking that truth. Because what they're trying to do, they got caught with those shenanigans, skullduggery, subterfuge, and now they try to backtrack. But too late. And now we have the response by David Robinson, son of Jackie, and Rachel, the queen who's still alive today, 100 years old. And they got caught with their pants down.

But we're not going for the okey-doke. The moody Putin. Not doing it. Not having it. Spike, the reason I wanted to start this way again, I'm standing out. This is a Confederate monument on the Texas State Grounds. When our kids come to Texas Capitol, they got to walk past this crap. And that's what they want.

They want us to celebrate this stuff, but they don't want us to celebrate and remember Jackie Robinson. And now they're trying to say, oh, it was a mistake. No, what they did was they typed in... It's been... Jackie's not the only one.

That's not a mistake. That's right. They've done it to African Americans. Come on, Japanese Americans. It's some you-know-what, but I don't want to curse. No, no, no, trust me. My show is called Roller Mart Unfiltered, so cursing is allowed. But here's the thing.

They also, the Navajo codebreakers, one of the men who put that flag up at Iwo Jima, they removed his pages. The reality is, that's what my book is called, White Fear, why the browning of Americans is making white folks lose their minds. They want to erase African Americans, Latinos, Indians. They want this to be about white Americans. That's what MAGA and Donald Trump is all about. I'm glad there's been an uproar about this. And I was just waiting for them to erase Christmas addicts,

the first American to die for this country in Boston. Christmas Addicts. They can't say that happened. We got paintings to say that. Him being shot. He was the first, Christmas Addicts was the first person to die

for the United States of America. But also, I want Spike, you're rocking... And he ain't the only one. I want people to understand something, okay? I'm here in Texas. It was in Texas where Jackie Robinson was court-martialed because he refused to give up his seat.

There's a great movie. I wish TNT would reissue the movie. Andre Brouwer played, and I've been trying to get my hands on a copy of this movie. Andre Brouwer was called the court-martial of Jackie Robinson. He was there with his guy there with Sugar Ray Robinson.

Yeah. They were together. So I need people to understand Jackie Robinson is a tie to Texas. They wanted to court-martial Jackie Robinson. They court-martialed. That was an actual trial. He beat it, but he fought segregated busing in the Texas town. And so people need to understand Jackie wasn't just about breaking bears in baseball.

He was standing up and fighting Jim Crow racism right here in Texas when he was in the U.S. Army. Speak the truth. Speak the truth. You know, here's the thing, though. People got to read. People got to read. We got to read. We got to read.

We got to read. But here's the deal, though. That's why they want to get rid of the websites. They want to get rid of the web pages. They want to get rid of these things. People don't have access to the information. And you know how I feel as well. We got to have black-owned media.

I tell the stories. We got to have movies. We got to have documentaries. And you're leading the way, my brother. You're leading the way. And we were just talking about why you were trying to tell people, tell black folks in the media what's going to happen, but they thought you were crazy.

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deal. No. At every moment, we gotta fight them everywhere. This is our history. This is our herstory. This is our legacy. We built this country 400 years from work, from can't see in the morning, can't see at night.

We built this country. That's why I named my production company 40 Acres and a Mule. That's right. That's right. That's not like random. That's not random. So Spike, here's what I want us to do. They restored the Jackie Robinson page, but we should say, no, no, no, no.

Y'all going to restore all of the pages. Everything. Everything. Everything. First of all, we need to do the research and find out who we don't know. Yep. There's some people that don't have the historical

significance, you might say, or the claim of Jackie Robinson, but they still, they are black, so they got rid of it. We gotta find out every still they are black, so they got rid of it. We got to find out every single person, black, brown, Native American, Japanese American, that they decided that

they don't exist, which is a BS. Yeah, absolutely. And so I just want our folk, this is where we must be vigilant. I don't see this as, yes, they've restored the pages. They restored the page of Jackie Robinson. And here's the crazy thing. When they deleted Spike, they actually have a URL that ended in DEI. Explain that, explain that for people to understand that, like me. It was all about them trying to send a signal that, oh, this is just DEI.

No, Jackie Robinson is American history. He's black history. He's American history. He's U.S. Army history. And we cannot allow these people to segregate our history. And again, what I'm not going to do is be silent as I got to stand here and watch this piece of shit, this Confederate monument on the state grounds here. I'm not going to be silent when they defend this crap. But then they want to give us hell when it comes to folk like Jackie Robinson and our history. No, we got to be fighting this thing every step of the way.

We have to. And we owe this to our ancestors. We owe this to our ancestors. And then, you know, they think they're slick with a D-E-I. That's really D-I-E. Yep. Listen, man. It's not D-E-I, people.

Wake up. Wake up, people. Like I said many times in my films, wake up. It's not D-E-I. It's D-I-E. And they want to shut it down. They want to defund Black America. And so this is the moment.

And again, I was just inside and they were debating DEI in the state Senate. These Republicans, oh, this is just unfair. It's like, really, it's unfair? But when you look at the numbers, when you look at the jobs, when you look at the housing, when you look at all these Republicans, oh, this is just unfair. It's like, really? It's unfair? But when you look at the numbers, when you look at the jobs, when you look at the housing, when you look at all these factors, guess what? Our numbers aren't in great numbers, but they want to act like DEI is the biggest problem in this country.

No, the reality is it is still white racism in Texas and in America. Why are you picking on Texas? Because I'm born and raised here. You guys won a couple World Series, beat the Yankees. I knew you had to get sports in. You had to get the Yankees in here. The Rockets look good, though. The Rockets look good.

I know it's a big state. I will tell you this here. There was a white guy who was inside the Capitol, and he was sitting here with a big old sign saying, Close Our Borders, and he had an American flag and a Confederate flag. And I walked past, and I said, You know y'all ass is lost. And he was like, Well, we're still winning now. I said, No, your ass is lost, and you're going to lose again.

So that was the only time I said, Go Yankees, inside, when he had his Confederate flag. I said, go Yankees, inside, when he had his Confederate flag. I said, go Union Army. And so he started laughing. And so I want to let you know, the only time you're going to ever hear me say, go Yankees, is when I'm referencing the Union Army beating these racist Confederates. Well, you know what you just—you made me think about my brother Glory, who won an Oscar for that role. And are you coming up Sunday?

Are you coming up Sunday for opening Othello? Opening night? No, I'll be, where am I Sunday? I got a colonoscopy on Monday, so I will be preparing for that. So, you know, but I'll try to make my way to New York. You got an excuse. I got a serious excuse. I'm going to make my way to New York. You got an excuse. I got a serious excuse. I'm going to tell Denzel.

That's an opening night of Thelo. You weren't there. You tell Denzel I would have been there except for my colonoscopy. I'm going to tell him. Word for word. I'll text Pauletta so she know as well. Yeah, text Pauletta.

Let Pauletta be the bearer of that news, not me. But anytime I pass the word to Denzel, he's a big Cowboys fan, so I love him being in misery with them losing. He's a Cowboys fan? Oh, huge, huge. He never Cowboys fan? Oh, huge. Huge. He never told me that. Oh, dude.

I was giving him hell in the last couple of months. So I'm going to hit him up. Well, Spike, we're going to keep swinging. Can we just get back to a serious thing before we go up, please? Yeah. This is what we need. You hit me this morning, and you were like, man, you see this here? I said, Spike, we've been on it.

You were like, man, I want to come on. I need our people. And not just regular ordinary folks. This is where we got to have, man, celebrities, athletes, everybody. This is a collective thing. They want to You know what it is? As they said

when I was growing up, it's nation time. Nation time. That's right. That's right. That's exactly what it is. So, man, we got to keep swinging.

So, I appreciate you hitting me. You know, anytime you want to come on and rap, just let me know. We'll make it happen. Yeah, yeah. I appreciate it.

Because, I had not heard this thing until this morning, so I had to call you up and find out what's happening. And as usual, you're ahead of everybody else. Well, man, we've been on it from day one, and we're going to keep swinging on them. And so we ain't giving them no space to breathe. You know what?

No slack. I got the shirt. No slack. I got the Eric Garner shirt that says, I can't breathe. You know what? I got the shirt. No slack. I got the air-garner shirt that says, I can't breathe. I don't want them to breathe. And you see how crazy I am. I wore my shirt. Don't blame me. I voted for the black woman.

All right, baby. Have a good day with the doctor. All right, bro. Take care. I didn't mind. I'm good. I'm good. All right, bro. Take care. I didn't mind. I'm good. I'm good. All right. I hear you. All right, Spike. I love you.

Love you, brother. We're going to go to a break, y'all. We're going to come back. We're going to talk about our panels. I'm telling y'all, we've been telling y'all this. This is the erasure of African Americans. They want to attack our history. They want to attack our books. They want to attack our books. They want to attack our historians.

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On that soil, you will not be back. White people are losing their damn lives. There's an angry pro-Trump mob storm to the U.S. Capitol. We're about to see the rise of what I call white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial. This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson at emory university calls white rage as a backlash this is the wrath of the proud boys and the boogaloo boys america there's going to be more of this this country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and its attitudes because

of the fear of white people the fear that they're taking our jobs they're taking our resources they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're taking our women. This is white fear. For our executive producer, Proud Family. Bruce Smith, creator and executive producer of The Proud Family. Thank you. All right, folks, welcome back to Roller Martin Unfiltered here in the Black Star Network. I'm live here in Austin, Texas, where Texas Legislative Black Caucus is having their two-day day on Capitol Hill. Earlier today, the Black Business Chamber, they had Black Business Day on Capitol Hill. So I ran to a number of different people, NAACP folks and others, who are here talking to their state legislators.

You got Republicans also pushing an anti-DEI bill on the floor. So I was chatting with him about that as well. And so let me go to our panel. Robert Petillo holds People, Passion, and Politics, 1380 WALK out of Atlanta. Also, Derek Jackson, state representative, joining us out of Atlanta as well. Glad to have both of y'all here. Derek, I want to start with you. I started talking about, again, that Confederate monument that's at the state

Capitol. And what is so bothersome to me, again, you come here and this state Capitol is down the street. When you come to Austin and when you go to these state capitals, when you go to state capitals in North Carolina and South Carolina and Mississippi and Alabama. Our children have to be confronted with these racist monuments named after street names. Then you got MAGA doing what they're doing where they, of course, are angry that Biden, actually, what do you mean Biden-Harris? Congress actually passed a bill renaming the military bases, like the Bears bases in North Carolina and others. And these MAGA Republicans are so stupid. Pete Hicks is so stupid. unheralded individuals, last name Bragg, and another one, just so they can change the name from what Biden and Harris renamed them. And so this is the stupidity that we're seeing.

And again, when you look at deleting these pages of these history makers, Jackie Robinson, Black Medal of Honor winners, when you talk about Navajo Indians, codebreakers, people who have been celebrated, I mean, this is all about erasing Black people and people of color by Donald Trump and MAGA. You know, Roland, you know, I just received your book a few months ago about white fear. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up. So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin.

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They've been after the essence of not only dealing with those things that are such as slavery, the most painful era of America, lynching, the plantations. But they also want to go after contributions. And when you think about Jackie Robinson, I'm glad you and Spike have some dialogue around that. I mean, Jackie Robinson served this country in the Army. And when you think about it, Roland, he did it in 1942. What was going on in 1942 where a black man serving the Army

served this country, right? But Jackie Robinson didn't stop there. Then he went on and did some very successful things. He broke many records in baseball. And he went on and did some very successful things. He broke many records in baseball. He did it during a time where we didn't have social media. We didn't have

the internet. He did it in 1947. During those nine or ten years or so, he played baseball. He had to not only persevere, Roland, so now they want to erase that? How Jackie Robinson competed

and beat some of their folks like Babe Ruth and others, right? But they didn't want to stop there, Roland, right? Just last year, while we were talking about Project 25, they were talking about if they get an opportunity to get back into the White House, they're going to make sure they're going to whitewash everything. I just went to

the website, as you and Spike were talking, they removed Colin Powell from the Pentagon website. They removed Lloyd Austin from the website, Roland. And then, as we talked about last week, how they were just removing blacks and women at Arlington. Those who did more serving than Donald Trump, the one that had bone spurs, then Pete Heslip. And so we're at a point, this most pivotal point right now in this nation's history. We have to continue to do as you stated with Spike.

We got to stand up. We got to call him out. And we got to take down these Confederate symbols. I mean, it was a strategic strategy for them to have all 11 southern Confederate states to put up these symbols of oppression. And then our tax dollars, Roland, our tax dollars are paying to preserve that monument where you're standing. It's appalling what we have to understand there's no other word to explain

what we're dealing with Robert than whitewash and what they want if you I keep saying it 2021 they attacked Black Lives Matter 2022 it was CRT.

2023, it was woke. 2024, it's DEI. I said that these people were angry that the Black Lives Matter movement was the first movement in American history where a majority of Americans agreed with it. You see right now where the racists like Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and others, they want a pardon for Derek Chauvin on the federal charges because they think it is unjust that he was convicted. They still want to say it was George Floyd's fault. And what they were really angry about, Robert, they were angry that a young white people were waking up. They were angry that young white people were learning about the, as Paul Harvey used to

say, the rest of the story. They were upset by that, and they made a commitment, and this was what Predator 2025 was about. Their commitment was, we are going to attack everything that was built around Black Lives Matter. We're going to attack the books. We're going to attack the curriculum. We're going to attack everything because they do not want to see two generations of white Americans learning the true history of this country. Robert, take it away.

And you know, it's interesting. During your conversation with Spike, he brought up the opening of Othello. And there's one line from Othello that I think is prescient in this moment. Othello, after a fit of anger and rage, he slays Desdemona. And then he says, I am one who loved unwisely, but unkind. And the point that I think we have to make is that white America has an unwise love for the Confederacy. They have an unwise love for this myth of white supremacy and this unwise love for the Confederacy. They have an unwise love for this myth of white supremacy and this unwise love for this myth around their own placement within the world society. And as you stated, they have worked over the course of the last, not 10 years, over the course of the last 40 years to replace and rebuke and retard

any sort of progress made by other groups that may undermine the fundamental underpinnings of this fiction of white supremacy nationwide. What you'll notice is they like to otherize any movement that we create. Everything from Black Lives Matter, they turn that into BLM, because it's hard to say, I don't believe that Black Lives Matter. It's easy to say that BLM, that's a socialist organization that wants to overthrow traditional American values. They take something like critical race theory. It's hard to say that IM, that the socialist organization that wants to overthrow traditional American values. They take something like critical race theory. It's hard to say that. I don't believe that people should learn accurate versions of American history on the doctoral level. But it's easy to say that CRT is corrupting our children. It's to take people who don't understand,

don't know, and can't read, and tell them that this is now the new evil. And they take something like woke, which for decades you would hear the black Hebrew Israelites on the corner saying, open up your third eye, become awakened to the things around you. You have to be woke to what's going on in America and to take that and then pervert it into this conceptualization that somehow is about an anti-nuclear family, anti-traditional American values, anti-everything that you wanted to be, they turned into this empty vessel that they could simply dump into it anything that they saw to be evil.

And then, as you said in the last year, they took some things, diversity, equity and inclusion. I think it's important for our community to say the words out loud every single time, because they took diversity, equity and inclusion. Nobody is going to say, I'm against diversity. No one is going to say, I'm against equity. No one is going to say, I'm against inclusion. But if you otherize that and say DEI, well, now you can turn that into reverse racism, something that is against their community and against what we believe in as a society. If you look back at the teachings and the writings of Simone de Beauvoir,

she was very much a contemporary of Frantz Fanon and John Paul Sartre as neocontinent thinkers. She says that in the feminist context that women are neither above or below, but fundamentally other. If you take that to this movement, what you're simply saying is that they want to paint us as being other from the American family, other from traditional white American values. And by doing that, it gives them the leeway to take from us all the rights that we have fought for going forward. And as Spike said, this may be the time to reevaluate the conversation that we've had for the last three quarters of a century as an African American community with regard to integration and start having a conversation about nationalism, have a conversation about economic nationalism, saying that we need to

economically control the streets of our neighborhood, the businesses we invest in, the stores that we go to, and the media that we consume. Let's talk about political nationalism so that we are no longer seeing Al Green having to walk out of the House chamber all by himself, but say that we are going to be representatives of this nation of black folks that you come to every four years and say, we love you so much, you are the backbone of the party, maybe we should start voting nationalistically for people who believe and will stand up for those same communities. We have to start thinking socially nationalistically, and that if they're going to have their statues

up and no matter what, they're going to rename them, then maybe we should start owning our own history, teaching our own history, promoting our own history, building the nationalistic story that America has come to rely on. We have to remember that German nationalism didn't happen until after the American Civil War. Italian unification didn't happen until the 1870s. It's not as if it takes a millennia to build this nationalist spirit. It's something that we can build here now today within our communities. But it's going to take us in this period of time when we're under attack coming together and believing that we can be that nation within a nation that builds up our own communities.

I'm standing right here. We got to do something different as well. And that is we're going to have to get our people to also begin to recognize where we become first. And what I mean by that is we're going to have to deal with the level of ignorance in our community. That was an unveiling of an Emmett Till statue. And I saw some comments, oh, this is performative. And I've seen this a lot. Things happen and somebody's like, oh, well, this statue's performative. This plaque is performative.

Well, guess what? When they were sitting here erecting all of those, the Dawes of the Confederacy, all those Civil War statues, it wasn't about performative. They knew it was about history. It was about controlling narrative. And I just think that we need to learn how to check out some of our people who denigrate these efforts

without realizing that, no, this is about changing the narrative and saying, y'all are going to recognize who we are and what our history represents. Roland, listen, you're exactly right. And as you well know, this whole false equivalency that plagues in our communities where some folks will feel, well, we don't want to do that because that's going to make folks feel too intimidated. We don't want to, you know, bring about this level of awareness or education. Listen, Roland, here's the bottom line. And I appreciate Robert bringing that perspective as well, because he's here in Georgia with me. Roland. We all know the history around Stone Mountain,

but you will have them thinking, folks will have us thinking that it's just a statue. It's a park. What's the big deal? So education plays a crucial role in addressing racism. When the question keeps coming up all the time, and it's just so interesting that they always ask Black elected official, is America racist? They don't ask that of the white elected officials, is America racist? So why is that? So we got to make sure, Roland,

that we have to first bring about this education, which is under attack. They don't want the information that brings about the truth, as you and Spike was talking about, glory, right? They don't want to talk about glory, Jackie Robinson. Heck, they didn't even want the Black Panther movie, a very fictitional place. And so we got to say in the Black community that we have to be authentic. We got to be true to who we are. We have value in this country.

We have to know who we are and we have to protect who we are. Don't let nobody else try to justify who we are. We should not feel ashamed when we tell someone you don't value the things that we value. This is more than just about our culture.

This is about our ancestors. We got to protect and preserve those things that we fought for. And if they feel ashamed, Roland, so be it. They need to feel ashamed. And real quick, I got a guest who's holding them. Go to break. We'll come back, Robert, real quick.

Well, just absolutely real quick. The reason it's so important that we take down Stone Mountain within our generation is that rock formation will be there for the next 100,000 years. If you look at the cave paintings that we look at throughout history, those are only 10,000 years old. So in millennia to come, people will look back archaeologically and say those were the heroes of that generation. Those were the gods of that time. When they built Stone Mountain, it wasn't about building up the white power mythology of this generation. It was about inscribing it into the history of Earth for all future generations. This is why it's so important not just to benignly say we won't go there. We have to destroy that and take that image down, because when the aliens come in 10,000 years,

they will still believe that white supremacy reigned supreme during this time. Folks, got to go to break. We come back, we're gonna talk about lawsuits against HUD, another area where they are saying, hey, don't worry about it. All those efforts to end discrimination in housing, you can ignore those things because those don't matter. Folks, you're

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against HUD and as an organization that is leading one right now. But you see the changes that have been taking place. We've seen how our folks are being impacted by these decisions in the MAGA administration. We're seeing what they are doing. And so four fair housing groups are suing HUD over Doge grant cuts. These things are happening before our very eyes. And what people need to be aware of is that these things are going to continue. Of course, Vincent Hughes, he is no stranger to this show.

State Senator out of Pennsylvania, Glad to have you here. Let's talk about this lawsuit. How critically important is it? Roland, it's extremely important, and thanks for having me on. Just I got to say this. I'm in the Germantown section of Philadelphia where a couple Republicans decided to convene a meeting having an appreciation conversation about what they're doing in Washington, D.C.

So, you know, we had to respond to that. But that's a whole other conversation for a whole other day, brother. So what has happened, very simply, is that DOGE eliminated, suspended about $30 million in funding to fair housing rights organizations all across the country, about 70 different organizations receiving about 68 different grants all across the country, to do the good work to enforce the Fair Housing Rights Bill that was passed into law in April of 1968. And these organizations have the responsibility to educate communities and work through discrimination issues and get them reported and get them addressed through the legal process.

What has happened is that DOGE has essentially eliminated all their funding, decimated these organizations, and now these organizations don't have any funding to do the work to protect against discrimination. And what it basically means is that Musk, Trump and the whole crew believe it's OK to discriminate in housing in—all throughout the United States of America. And the lawsuit was introduced to try to prevent that and to get those dollars restored to these organizations.

And look, people need to understand these are folks who already made allocations. They've got staff. I mean, this is like real. This is a real impact. It's very real, Roland. And these are folks that you've talked with before, folks that you work with all

across the country. Their job, very simply, is to enforce the law that was passed in April—on April 11, 1968, the Fair Housing Rights legislation. And so, that's the law of the country. What DOGE has done is eliminate their funding. They cannot operate. They cannot do the investigations. They cannot send folks in to investigate.

They can't educate communities. They can't hold people accountable. And, you know, we've been dealing with this for years now. Most recently, as you recall, there's been several major settlements over the last 10 years with major banks around fair housing, because they discriminated with modern-day redlining. We've been dealing with this for a number of years, and now we're back at it because these organizations will no longer have the funding in place to deal with educating communities and investigating communities where there's been discrimination. So, how—are others joining you in this pursuit? Yes, yes. We had a press event earlier this week, had several congresspeople, several state senators

join in in this effort, putting public face and information out to the broader community. You know what's going on, Roland. There's so much happening at such a rapid pace that some of these issues get lost in the public conversation. That's why I appreciate you so much for opening up your airwaves so we can get this word out. So the lawsuit is being filed. Urban League, other organizations have filed a lawsuit nationally

to get those dollars restored. But this is just the tip of the iceberg of what we're confronting all across this country. And folks have got to step up and step out and do whatever it is that they can. What I say, Roland, is very simple. Take your own hill. You've heard me say this before. Wherever you may be, don't worry for this party or this organization, whatever, to step up.

Take your own hill. Get engaged wherever you can get engaged and fight this fight. But let's monitor this. We cannot go back to the days where overt discrimination and the opportunity to purchase a home is allowed to be the law of the land. We cannot go back to those days. No. Absolutely. All right, Senator Hughes, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thanks, brother.

Take care of yourself, man. I want to go to my panel here, Representative Jackson. I mean, this is—I need people who are watching to understand. This is all by design. They want to starve organizations, cities, and states that they don't agree with. They want to starve them financially. on every front, and as my dear brother said, on every hill. I mean, let's face it, we all know that one of the most significant benefits of HUD fair housing grants is economic empowerment, right? It always gave Blacks access to affordable and quality housing. I mean, that's one of the most pivotal cornerstone in our lives, right? It's going that's one of the most pivotal cornerstone in our lives,

right? It's going to be one of the most major purchases that we will make in our lifetime. But when you start to strategically go after Black families, right? Not DEI families, Black families, that's where they're going after. So they don't want us to have Social Security. They don't want us to have a 401k plan. They don't want us to have housing. They don't want us to have Medicaid, Medicare. All these things are strategic. And so as you continue to advocate, Roland, that we got to mobilize and organize on every front and meet them where they are. So if they want to go low and start taking away HUD fair housing grants, then we need to meet them where they are. If we got to march in Atlanta, if we got to march in Detroit, if we got to march in Orlando, Florida, wherever we are,

because this is going to impact us all. And this is, I mean, we see what they're doing. It's very evident, Robert, and people need to pay attention. They're going to continue it. Luckily, you have these federal judges who are stamping up, but there's no guarantee that the appellate courts, the Supreme Court are going to affirm these lower court rulings. Look, at some point in time, we have to take responsibility as a community and realize that there was more people on social media talking about just hilarious in the breakfast club having a crash out than there are talking about the thousands of people who are

going to be affected by the cuts to HUD, by the cuts to Medicare and Social Security, by the cuts to entitlement programs across the board. We as a community have to understand that we can't, we have to stop waiting for Superman. Gil Scott Heron once said that there ain't no such thing as Superman. For some reason, we're expecting the next messianic figure to descend down to lead black people. They believe that the next Dr. King or Malcolm is going to come and rise up from the polity and lead us to victory. That has never been the way that things worked. It took local organizers, people standing up in their own communities. It took the Fannie Lou Hamers and the James Oranges of the world. It took the shuttle wars of the world to come

together and bring together block by block, street by street, and say, we're no longer going to be subjected to a system that treats us as being second-class or subhumans in America. There's a reason that these groups are going after the least of these, least among us first, because they know that America writ large does not care about the least among us, or we would have done something about it first. If you were going after these multimillion-dollar mansions instead of going after people who are on federal assistance, you would be hearing a lot more about it. If you were to hear, if we were going after these programs that are promoting people into the upper class and into

the million-dollar contracts, then we would hear more about that than when you're dealing with poor families that are just trying to get by side to side. So it's going to take us not just coming together, not just marching and going up and down the street three, four times. I think it's going to take a consecrated effort. If we see that they are pulling back on these federal programs, they're making it very clear they are, we have to create a community-based solution to do that. It can no longer simply be we lean on the crutch that we have for the last 80 years of saying the federal government will come in to push back against local racism. It has to be that we lean on our churches,

lean on our nonprofits, lean on our business leaders and say, how will we fill the gap? How will we stand at the breach? We can no longer depend. If you're looking at what's going on internationally, you have the Germans saying that they are decoupling from America. You have the EU saying they are making plans for what happens when they can't depend on America. You have Japan and South Korea coming together and saying we can't trust America to. You have Japan and South Korea coming together and saying we can't trust America to defend us if Taiwan is evaded by China. So why the hell are we as black folks in this country saying we are going to depend on the machinations of a fickle federal government and say that we're going to depend on them for our

housing, for our food, for our livelihood, for our education? We have to start thinking nationalistically in how we will do better, because otherwise we will be falling to the wayside. Because if we think Trump is terrible, just remember, 20 years ago, everybody thought George W. Bush would be the worst president in American history. What do you think is going to happen 20 years from now? We have to prepare for the fight ahead. It's interesting you mentioned the Breakfast Club. I came across this clip yesterday. Former NFL player Adam Pacman Jones reaffirmed his love and support of Donald Trump. And it was like, really?

Okay, if y'all have it, go ahead and play it. You're a Trump supporter, right? Yes, I am. I don't give a fuck who don't like it. My opinion is my opinion of who I like. Like, I was somewhere, like, two weeks ago, and the dude said, man, I seen you with that Trump hat on. I said, okay, what is your problem?

And he just went in, and I'm like, he ain't trying to take it away. He's self-secretive. I said, okay, all that's cool. You done it. My opinion is my opinion. As far as business-wise, I agree with Trump. I got paper. And all my folks that was in the hood, they good.

So I'm voting for fucking me. Huh? You got the economy fucked up right now. It's going to get up. You know that shit going to get up. You know that shit going to get up, bro. I don't know. You don't think so? The last to get up. You know that shit going to get up. You know that shit going to get up, bro. I don't know. You don't think so?

The last two motherfuckers ain't did shit for you. It was down when they was in this motherfucking. I don't believe in none of them. But, you know, I just think. It's going to get back up. I don't know. I think so. Only reason I say that is because we have 11 recessions in this country.

Ten of them have been led by Republicans. Yeah. And the economy does do better when there's a Democrat Not when Trump was in that last summer. Hell yeah! We was right there through the recession.

The only thing that stopped the recession was COVID. No, the only thing that stopped the recession was Trump getting a nigga checked. COVID! He gave him the check

because of COVID. COVID was planned. You see that goddamn getting rid of his ass, huh? Who, COVID? No, the motherfucker that's... Fauci?

Yeah. I don't know. Oh, you don't want to talk about The motherfucker. Fauci? Yeah. I don't know. Oh, you don't want to talk about that now. I mean, I don't know if they get rid of him. So you don't think Fauci put COVID, like, dropped this shit in here? How do you think COVID got here? It leaked from a lab in China.

Man, it leaked from motherfucking Fauci. And I could have been a... How'd Fauci get all that money for nothing? Could it have been a biological warfare? Yes, but it came from a lab in China, the Wuhan lab. It came from Fauci. That right there is why you don't put dumb people on national broadcasts. What you heard right there, Robert, was sheer stupidity. A host of lies from Adam Pacman Jones.

Just a host of lies. Lies about Fauci. Lies about Fauci, lies about COVID, lies about how amazing the economy was under Trump, lies about the recession, and lies about, oh, how folk in the hood were doing so great. PPP loan fraud don't count. Listen, the dude who used to do security for us and drive us in a Sprinter, his ass went to prison. One, I got rid of him before that. PPP loan fraud. But these are the kind of people, folk, listen to. No one in their right mind should be listening to anything Adam Pac-Man Jones has to say about politics, business, or COVID. Well, look, Roland, I think, one, Pac-Man is the homie.

So shout out to Pac-Man on other things we've worked together on before. But I think it's important- Well, if he's the homie, you need to see his ass in the back seats. Hold on, Roland. This is what I'm trying to say real quick. There is an instructive lesson here that people on the left can better understand, which is Trump crafted a message that people with a third grade education can understand. Whether it's true or not is a side note. The point is that people listened to that message. They understood that message. They repeated that message. So if you look at the people who were supporting Trump in the last campaign, you had sexy red. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways.

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under 25 in this country. You had Waka Flocka Flame, you had Le'Veon Bell, you had Antonio Brown. You had a count of bernium of people supporting him. Meanwhile, Democrats have released messaging such as, unelected kleptocrat Elon Musk and the

oligarchs without oversight are the ones bringing down this country through policies that do not support climate change and transgender rights. Who the hell understands that in a way that can be understood and repeated? Oh, no, I...

Robert, I get all of that. I get the importance of messengers and who gives the message, but, Derek, the reality is to defend lies. I mean, that was a bunch of lies we heard right there. Not only was it a bunch of lies,

um, but it was far from the truth. Roland, I mean, first off, Pac-Man Jones will not come to my mind if I'm talking about public policy. In fact, Pac-Man Jones won't come to my mind if I'm talking about someone that had a very successful career in football. Right? Let's be honest, right? So not all skin folks are kin folks here. We got to make sure

that as true journalism is under attack, right? I don't need to convey to you, Roland, you got three decades of journalism underneath your belt. Charlemagne Tha God does not. Charlemagne Tha God should have asked him a question, say, hold up. I just told you that out of the 11 last recessions, 10 of the 11, a Republican was in control. You cannot dispute that Joe Biden turned over a strong, robust, healthy economy, Tesla lost 45% on their stock, 45%. And so when someone like a Pac-Man Jones don't understand economics, right? When someone doesn't understand public policy and they're completely out of their lane. Someone like Charlemagne de Gleit, although I wouldn't even give him, I wouldn't even put him

in the same stage with you, but Charlemagne should say no, you're telling a lie. I got to protect my platform. You're lying. You can't say that somebody brought in COVID that did not bring in COVID.

And so we're in a very interesting crossroads right now, Roland, how people get their information. They cannot just get it from TikTok. Unfortunately, a lot of people do not read New York Times or Financial Times or Bloomberg. It's very unfortunate that people are listening to someone like Robert mentioned, the sister that talks about her butt and all that kind of stuff. That's not where you get information when it comes to politics and public policy. You have to come to shows like yours. You have to come to credible platforms to get this kind of information, because if not, our next generation

or the next two or three generation will be lost, Roland, because they're getting their information from non-credible sources. Well, look, the point I'm trying to make about making sure we're crafting messaging in such a way that people can better understand is, look, Voltaire once said, if you can convince a man of absurdities, you can force him into atrocities, that they talk on it in the language that they understand. And we may not like it. I'm not a person who supports it or believes in it, but it is the reality that we live within. People under the age of 30 get their information off of TikTok.

They're not going to be reading newspapers. People who are Gen Zs and Gen Alphas who are coming up in this information space, they believe more in podcasters than they believe in traditional news and traditional metrics. And we're dealing even with millennials who are in their 40s. We got lied to about the Gulf War. We got lied to about the Great Recession. We got lied to by so many things by this government. There's a healthy skepticism when it comes to mainstream media outlets. So we hope to win the information war of the future. We have to figure out how to not just deride people such as Pac-Man, but how to understand them and better push our messaging through those sorts of outlets. Because at the end of the day, like the old folks would say,

you got to put it where the goats can get it. We can either have this broad, esoteric conversation at the top, 10,000-foot view, or we can get down to where the people are and be able to explain to them why what he said was wrong. The first thing you do is you do not platform people like that because you actually make that whole thing

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information is power. Be sure to watch Roland Martin Unfiltered weeknights, 6 p.m. Eastern at youtube.com forward slash Roland S. Martin or download the Blackstar Network app. unplugged and undamned believable. Man, I've had a number of people send me this video. It is from the senior pastor at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Reverend Otis Moss III, my alpha brother. And he talks about the puppet map. Say it again. Do we have that video?

All right, y'all, let me know if we have that video. So he talks about the puppet masters, the people who are controlling Trump, the people who are organizing this whole thing and who's controlling him, who's calling the shots. And see, yeah, I understand. What people know, what the billionaires know, is that Donald Trump, that twice impeached, criminally convicted con man, he's a grifter. He's transactional. Remember how he hated TikTok until David Yass, the billionaire, started sending him lots of money. Then all of a sudden, oh, my goodness, I think TikTok is great.

It is wonderful. And then he hated electric vehicles. And all of a sudden, well, Elon came along and I'm going to give you a campaign, $300 million. And so now he's like, oh, my God, buy a Tesla. I bought one. It's wonderful. I'm going to give you a campaign, $300 million. And so now he's like, oh, my God, buy a Tesla. I bought one. It's wonderful. He literally turned the White House into an infomercial.

That's who this con man grifter is. Reverend Otis Moss III broke down the puppet and the puppet master. Do we have it ready, folks? All right. So, guys, let me know when it's ready. I found the video fascinating. I've literally had at least six or eight different people send me this video for me to check out. So I wanted you all to check it out.

Watch this. To my Trinity family, if you will just give me five minutes, there's some information that I've got to share with you about puppet masters that are controlling the puppet. Puppet masters that are controlling the puppet. Let me begin by sharing this information today. There is a person you have never heard of who may be one of the most influential thinkers in the right-wing and white nationalist space in this country. His name is Curtis Yarvin. Let me say it again, Curtis Yarvin. He founded the anti-egalitarian and the anti-democratic movement known as the dark enlightenment or neo-reactionary movement. This movement believes democracy is a failed experiment and must be replaced by a monarchy or a dictatorship. The way to reach this goal is through Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley venture capitalists who will use their

money to sway public opinion and miseducate the masses through social media and collecting our data. One of Curtis Yarvin's disciples is a person by the name of Peter Thiel. Peter Thiel, I'm not sure the pronunciation, is a South African, just like, or an Afrikaner, just like Elon Musk, who founded PayPal. Peter Thiel funded the political rise of J.D. Vance. J.D. Vance has publicly stated that Curtis Yarvin is his intellectual mentor. Now, Curtis Yarvin says in order to destroy democracy, they have a program called RAGE, R-A-G-E, RAGE. And this program means retire all government employee. RAGE, hmm, Project 25, Rage, and now Doge is doing the work of Curtis Yarvin. Curtis Yarvin believes some races are fit for servitude. Blacks have a natural lower IQ, and civil rights was applied to a population of recent hunter-gatherers ancestry and no great moral fiber. As a result,

civil rights in America created absolute garbage. The architect of Trump's presidency, Steve Bannon, is an admirer of his work. And a collection of Silicon Valley billionaire bros adhere to his philosophy. How do we push back? Number one, we've got to be educated about what is happening. Number two, we have to be deliberate with our dollars. There's no reason we should be supporting any business that plays in our face. Support local, support black businesses. Number three, support black institutions that believe in liberation, whether it is your church, HBCU, whether it is an activist organization, unions, independent press, fraternities, sororities, all of these organizations, we have to support and we have to raise our voice. And finally, you've got to be the most engaged voter, politically astute, not miseducated, but educated. They are coming after us, rage, retiring all government employee, dismantling the Department of Education. We are in the midst of a hostile takeover in America. But let me give you one thing.

All of this research I have been doing, I found out that their greatest fear is black people when they're organized. From 1971 to today, we have the power and we are connected to an all-powerful God. In the words of Sean Connery, from the untouchables, there ended the lesson, and that's my five minutes. Peace. Hmm, powerful there. What do you make of that, Derek? I think it's the message that needs to go viral, right? Again, when you think about the last segment we just had around messaging, we have to make sure that we put it in a context, right? We give the Republicans too much credit, Roland.

There was no message that they did that made them win. There was no message in MAGA, Make America Great Again. Make America Great didn't change the price of eggs, didn't change the price of gasoline. It was all about Project

2025. It allowed for them to unleash the things that they've been harboring for a very long time. And that is the whitewash, not only the most painful era of our history, but even our contributions. We can't even talk about the contributions of Ida B. Wells, Fannie Lou Hamer, Dr. King, right? And so this was nothing about messaging, in my humble opinion. But something like that will not go viral. I guarantee it, Roland.

If you put it on your platform and tell people to click there, you might get about 5,000 clicks. But if you say something about a beat dispute between Drake and Kendrick Lamar, oh, you're going to get 30 million hits. And so we got to make sure that we put these things into context and say what's at stake. And it's more than just saying our democracy is at stake. We got to tell black people, your civil rights can be gone tomorrow because Donald Trump just signed an executive order yesterday that said it's okay to segregate. And so don't wake up all surprised one day

and you go back to college or you go back to work and say, black people, you use this bathroom. White people, you use this bathroom. And oh yeah, when you go into that bathroom, black people, you may not find toilet paper. You may not find air freshener. And so these are the kind of things that we got to make it so concrete and put it in a way that they can digest it. Because just to say our democracy is at stake rolling, it's too big for them to digest. So we got to make it and put it in a way that they can digest it. Because just to say our democracy is at stake rolling is too big for them to digest. So we got to make it and put it where they can really consume it.

See, Robert, I don't think people are really, truly grasping. We talked about it for three years. Did I understand that Product 2025 was nearly 1,000 pages? This is not about waste, fraud, and abuse. This is literally about how do you completely realign this country? How do you destroy institutions that they believe are left-leaning or left? How do you completely remake the nation into the hardcore right-wing MAGA? And look, Roland, to your point, I want people to understand that Donald Trump did not create Project 2025. Project 2025 created Donald Trump At a point in time where he had lost the White House, where he was facing almost 100 indictments across the country, he could have gone

to prison for almost 1,000 years if all his sentences were run consecutively. A point in time where he owed $80 million to E. Jean Carroll, $25 million for the Trump University fraud, $2.5 million for fraud. He was nearly a billion dollars in debt. And then a group of people came to him and said, for your soul and this Faustian bargain, if you ensure us that you will put our policies in place, we will ensure you become the next president of the United States. And that was the people of the Heritage Foundation. That was the tech bros, the Elon Musk and the Peter Thiel's and the Jeff Bezos's of the world. It was the richest people on planet Earth who controlled the economic system of the world. The Jamie. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about

on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it

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Look at what Vladimir Putin is doing to Trump right now, running him around like a little dog. He came to the meeting, he got on the phone call with Trump, I think something like 20 minutes late, just to demonstrate the level of power that he has over this individual. So we talk about these things being bigger than just politics, bigger than the traditional left right battles that we are having. We're dealing with a situation very similar to what we were at where we're a hundred years ago, where we're talking about the complete realignment of social systems, not just across the socioeconomic divide, but across the ideological spectrum of the globe, where Canada is talking about leaving the U.S. economic trade zone and joining the European Union to create a new economic power, where rising nations across the world are joining the BRICS alliance, saying they will no longer depend on the U.S.

dollar, and we're seeing global de-dollarization. What we are currently seeing is not just a plan to strip us of our traditional American rights and values, but to realign what America means as a symbol across the world, to the point that you had France saying they were going to send over a boat to repossess the Statue of Liberty because it no longer represents the shared values of the Enlightenment that we believed in. And I want Black folks to ask themselves, what happens if tomorrow segregation is legal again? Because that's not a far-fetched idea. Charlie Kirk has already said that we need to restore individual rights and that businesses should not be forced to accept anybody that they don't want. They use this in the transgender, the homosexual

context, but it will also apply to the level of jurisprudence as it relates to desegregation in African-Americans. They've already talked about the repeal of the Interstate Commerce Clause, which was used to force federal rights to local actors on their in-state actions. It is not out of the question that tomorrow you could wake up and an executive order has been signed saying that any business that wants to publicly discriminate against you is allowed to do so. And what is your plan as a community? Are you going to go to a job now that says that you have to use a separate bathroom?

Are you going to go to businesses now that say you can't enter into the front door? Other than marching and protesting, what exactly would be your plan if you were economically cut off from white America? We, just as every other nation around the world, if we really view ourselves as being a nation, have to make a plan around this. And it starts with winning the war on information, winning the war on education, winning the war on organization. You're leading the charge on that, Roland. We have to get people to realize that they are in a fight right now, while they are still sitting home thinking that everything will be OK, this is just a normal situation.

France and the E.U. are meeting about what to do if they are attacked by America. We are not in a normal situation, and we need to understand the exigence of the crisis we are currently in. As our Constitution phrase, as as Gil Scott-Sikherin said, the Constitution is a noble piece of paper, but that paper is burning in the fires under this movement. And we have to understand that Trump isn't simply the problem. He is merely the vanguard bringing forward a new world order. Well, I need our people to fully understand that this is a moment not only for black unity, but this is truly a moment where we have to mobilize and organize, because I'm telling y'all, if you want to be so, so personally arrogant like an Adam Pacman Jones and say it's all about me and my paper. Okay, go right ahead. But you got family members, you got friends, you got classmates, you got cousins, you got church members, you got neighbors. And trust me, the black folks who don't have paper,

what they going to do? And I'm telling you, when you start talking about the health care cuts, we start talking about the food cuts, we start talking about the attacks on organizations. Folks, this is not... Look, they are admitting in court that Venezuelans, who they shipped to a decrepit El Salvador prison, they admitted in court some of them didn't have criminal records. But they're on television saying how they're these violent gang members.

They will say and do anything, and I'm telling y'all, that is not the America you truly want to live in. Because if they are allowed to do this, trust me, these people have no bottom, and they will keep going down, down, down. I'll be right back. Roll it. Roll it, Mark. Yeah.

Yeah, no, I was just going to say, they picked up six citizens, six, and not only deported them and sent them over to Venezuela, to your point, but then they denied the federal court judge. The judge said to bring them back. And Trump, and I forget the guy that's leading this whole czar guy.

Stephen Miller. Yes. He said, I don't care what the judge said. Think about that for a second. Six individuals. They were not gangbangers. They were not criminals. They had a tattoo. I love mom. And they took them,, when you start having an administration just openly say, you don't give a damn what a judge thinks. Oh, we got a problem. It is a definition of a constitutional crisis. When Polybius discussed the difference between the Roman Republic, as it existed at that time, versus the government in Greece, which had recently been conquered by the expansion of the empire. He said the one thing that made him believe that that government would never fall was

the separation of powers, that you have a Senate for the old men, the nobility, the aristocracy. You have a council who is elected by the people. You have an independent judiciary. They're able to balance the needs of each group. Now you see a situation in America where you have a singular executive, what they call the unitary executive theory of government. And that individual has complete control of the House of Representatives.

He has control over the Senate, because apparently Chuck Schumer just caves whenever any pressure is applied. He has six justices on the U.S. Supreme Court, not to mention nearly 300 on the lower courts he appointed the first time out, and the more that he will be able to push through this time. This is how democracies fall apart. This is how republics fall into tyranny, that when President Trump jokes about running for a third term in 2028, he has not joked about

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Yo, it's your man, Deon Cole, from Black-ish, and you're watching... Roland Martin, unfiltered. Folks, I am here in Austin where there is some drama here at the state capitol. The special election to fuel the term of deceased Congressman Sylvester Turner is an issue. So Texas Governor Greg Abbott has not announced when the special election is going to be held. The earliest there could be a new representative could occupy the position is mid to late May. The latest possible date would be mid December. So what's going on here, of course, Abbott could just say, what the heck, I'm going to leave this position open, put it on the November ballot. And that means that the people of the 18th Congressional District in Houston will be left without a representative over the next nine or so months. Then, of course, it could be in May. So there are folks that was, I was at the Capitol, I was talking to some state reps and then we're talking about how, uh, look, uh, that, that the impression is

be put on the governor, uh, to move. But what you have is, uh, you know, you've got a very slim lead for Republicans, uh, in the house. And so by not filling a vacancy on the democratic side, that helps house Republicans. Um, Derek, this is one of those things that, you know, it's unfortunate when so many, when decisions are left up to the governor. Ron DeSantis did the exact same thing in Florida by not moving, dragging his feet on having a special election, thus delaying Democrats being able to take that seat.

Not only they're playing politics and the governor there understands what he's doing. He's being intentional, Roland. He wanted to make sure that that slim margin is now one seat greater towards the Republicans, right? Because now you have one less Democrat and you have a population of 700000 Texans without representation in Washington, D.C. But also look at what's coming on the horizon.

Roland, right. They're going to have to do a debt ceiling. They got to take that on. They got other things that's coming down the pipe. And so the more that the speaker of the House right now can say, hey, I got a little bit more favorability now because the gap opened up by one seat, I can see Governor Abbott saying, well, let's just put it on November ballot, to your point, and wait until that general election to be done the latter part of this year, because they realize what's on the horizon, and every vote, every vote counts. Robert, you know, after the president's joint address to Congress, I was coming back from the Cannon Tunnel towards the Longworth building. I saw Congressman Turner in the kind of what they call the superhighway there.

And I got an opportunity to speak with him briefly. He was sitting down in the chair. Capitol Police were kind of tending to him. And I asked him how he was doing. He's like, I'm doing all right, brother. I'm doing all right. And the next morning, they announced that he had passed. I think it's crucial for us as a group to understand that it is okay at points in time to pass the baton. It is okay to bring up that next generation. It is okay to train those to

go behind you who can uplift your vision, who can uplift your values, your beliefs, and maybe they have stronger legs to carry, but you can be that guiding force. If you look around leadership on the Democratic side of the aisle, on all levels, whether it's the party apparatus, the House leadership, the Senate leadership, you're dealing with people who are older. We've already had two members of the Democratic caucus in the House pass away this year, and that's not even counting in Sheila Jetson Lee last year. We have to start passing these batons voluntarily so that we're able to ensure that we are controlling the people who are

appointed. We should not put these decisions in the hands of someone like Greg Abbott. We cannot put these things in the hands of someone like a Ron DeSantis. The battles that we have going forward are too important. And while I understand the compilation to not give up, to not sit down, to not feel that you're not in the fight, sometimes it's more important to ensure that we are building those generations going forward. Because right now, as we're seeing more and more of that generation of leadership, that leadership that brought us out of the desert and into prosperity, and we're starting, we have been talking about the creation of this Joshua generation to take the fight to the next level since I was in college. But yet and still, we're not seeing that take place. These things will not go on their own. And as we're seeing, as we saw Ruth Bader Ginsburg, when you wait too long, you put our community in a tougher position. So we need to start talking and putting together the plans on what the agenda will be going forward and who can best support the agenda.

We have to have our eyes on the prize of what we're trying to achieve legislatively. It's not about the individual. It's about the nation. It's about the community and what we can do together. And we need to have those conversations quick, fast, and in a hurry, because the longer that we wait, the more power that these extreme mega forces who have been putting together these multi-generational plans for multiple generations, they're now enacting those plans. And we don't have the next generation trained up and ready to go. And that's why they end up listening to a Setse Red, a Waka Flocka Flame, a Pac-Man, a Le'Veon Bell, instead of our leadership, because the leadership is now two and three and four generations away from the actual energy of

the movement. We have to put the movement first, not the people. Absolutely. So that was, we're just watching what happens here in Texas. Christian Mendefeat, he is the county attorney. He announced he's running today. Former city councilwoman Amanda Edwards announced she's running. There are about six or seven others. Potentially, you may have 10 to 15 people who seek this coveted position in Houston, this historic position, because the 18th Congressional District, that is the seat formerly held by Congresswoman Barbara Jordan, as well as Congressman

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Y'all, it was a huge night last night in Dayton, Ohio, for Alabama State University, the HBCU out of Montgomery. They played St. Francis in the play-in game for March Madness. This play here, throwing the ball full court and being able to score that layup under the basket with.7 seconds left. Boy, talk about a huge, huge play. That play led, of course, Alabama State to a 70-68 victory over St. Francis. The Hornets will next face tournament's number one seed,

Auburn University, on Thursday in Lexington, Kentucky. Now, when the game was over, suffice to say, the head coach of Alabama State was extremely excited about what happened. This is the locker room talk of Alabama State coach Tony Matlock. We're going to have to get on that road tonight.

But listen, this is what it is, man. We told y'all about our games. All of them. But I told you, we spend more time on situational stuff. Touchdown, great pass. Way to go get it. Way to go get it. And then all of a sudden, I want this ball.

I want this ball and I got to score this ball. That's what you got to do, man. That is a winning play. That is a winning pass. That's everything, man, everything that we talk about. We ain't through. Let's keep playing. Let's keep playing.

So proud, so proud. First tournament win in Alabama State history. History, baby. Hey, got the 20 wins. How many years? 16 years. Let's just keep doing it. Let's keep doing it.

Let's fly around and have fun. I want to have fun. That's all we're going to do, man. But we know we got to play better. We know it. We know it. I'm just so proud of you guys, man. We're going to get out of here.

We got media stuff we got to do. We're going to get to that hotel. We're going to shower. We're going to get on that road. We're going to Mexico. Let's go. Let's go. We're going to Mexico. Yeah! Let's go! Yeah! You know, Derek,

if there was one sport where HBCUs could still compete effectively against PWIs, it really would be basketball. First of all, your squad is typically 12, 15 players. Your rotation is typically 8, 15 players. Your rotation is typically eight max 10.

So you could have some top players in the country decide to attend HBCUs, and they could make a hell of a run at March Madness. And again, right mix of players, they could literally win the national championship. You know, Roland, when you give us an opportunity to compete and we know what the result's going to be because we understand that we've worked twice as hard, we understand that we may not have as much resources as a PWI, but in the end, when you look at one's heart and energy,

the coach said it best right i mean this is really based upon how we look at our collective and independent energy and when we bring it all together that synergy is unstoppable but i would say this though roland uh regardless if it's on a basketball court or a football field or a golf course or a tennis court, there's a reason why they're systematically and intentionally trying to remove funds towards HBCUs or those anti-Black schools, right? Because they realize that if you take the resources away, they can't take our heart. And that's the reason why they're going after HBCUs. They're going after our sports. We have a bill right now in Georgia, Senate Bill 120 rolling that they talk about.

You cannot even have Michael Jordan pitcher in the locker room because if you have Michael Jordan pitcher in the locker room. Because if you have Michael Jordan pitcher in a locker room, they're going to remove your funds. This is where we are. And so that's where they're trying to create this unlevel playing field by removing funding. And they think that's going to take our our heart and our energy away, but they're going to be sadly mistaken because that historic victory clearly demonstrates that you don't have to give us the same amount of funds that you give to Alabama or Auburn. We will still fight and we will still win

because twice is better. Twice is better. You know, Rob, I remember when Howard University signed one of the top-ranked players in the country, a seven-footer, but then COVID hit, and it was all sort of, he ended up leaving. A lot of people were excited about that, heralding that as a new moment.

And I must say, and then, of course, in football, when Travis Hunter, the number one cornerback in the country, one of the top players, signed with Jackson State, later transferred to Colorado when dion sanders left to go to colorado eventually winning the hosman trophy uh colorado but but i'm telling you right now i mean i listen if if you got three or four of the top basketball players in the country decide to uh go play for a particular hbcu um listen you you don't you don't need eight stars to win. You got two or three stars, you could win it all. Look, Roland, you're absolutely correct.

I would like to note that all these attacks on diversity, equity, and inclusion, you don't want black folks at Harvard, you don't want black folks in North Carolina, you don't want black folks in North Carolina. You won't want black folks in the engineering program. I ain't seen nobody trying to stop black folks from playing basketball at these big schools. Of course not. Yeah, I ain't seen one effort. I ain't seen Trump or J.D. Vance or Elon saying, we can't have all these black folks playing football at these schools bringing in these millions of dollars. There's a reason for that. They understand the power of the black body. I remind people this often, that archaeologists tell us that the first black

folks appeared on this planet between 250 and 300,000 years ago on the African continent. It wasn't until 75,000 years ago that we even left the African continent as a species. But the genetic markers, according to the Journal of Science, a study from 2017, says that the genes that signify whiteness, that mean white skin, blonde hair, blue eyes, able to digest lactose, did not appear in northern Europe until 7,700 years ago, so more recently than the last ice age. The reason this is significant is they will tell you that anything before that period of time is prehistory. Nothing before the time when they showed up matters at all. So when you're talking about competing against people of African DNA, they understand that they are at a genetic disadvantage. You're dealing with a population that has been

evolving for 300,000 years, essentially into the perfected version of humanity. Meanwhile, any individuals whose DNA left the African continent have between 1% and 10% Neanderthal DNA. These are just facts that exist out there. That's the reason that they like you playing football. That's the reason they like you playing basketball. You're essentially a super soldier from Marvel Comics when you're out there with them. So they're not going to try to stop those things. But this is why it's important for us, as you said, to control our own economy, to control our own athletics. Because when the best players go to our schools, the dollars follow those players.

When Jared Rice was at Mississippi Valley State, the eyeballs, the dollars followed him there. When we invest in ourselves, we can build our own institutions, and we won't have to depend on Bear Bryant to integrate us into football or into a Bobby Knight to bring us into basketball. We'll be able to control that messaging. And when we move to that next level, we'll have a community that understands they need to reinvest from where they came from.

Instead of seeing our athletes with $100 million contracts sitting courtside at a Kentucky game, we can see them right down here at Clark Atlanta, Morehouse, Morris Brown, it's another HBCU, putting that money back into our institutions and our schools. Well, we'll love to see that day come. Gentlemen, I appreciate you joining me on today's show. Thank you so very much, Derek and Robert. Thank you. Thanks a lot. Folks, that's it. I got to head

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