#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Detroit Early Voting, TX Redistricting showdown, Trumpflation, Black Youth Mental Health Crisis

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

7.31.2025 #RolandMartinUnfiltered:Detroit Early Voting, TX Redistricting showdown, Trumpflation, Black Youth Mental Health Crisis Early voting is underway in Detroit's high-stakes mayoral primary. Det...roit City Council President Mary Sheffield is here to explain why she should be the city's next leader. In Texas, tensions are boiling over as Republicans push to redraw congressional maps that could give them five more seats. We'll take you to "ground zero" of this political power grab and talk to Tarrant County Commissioner Alisa Simmons, who's calling it out as racist and dangerous. And a silent crisis is growing: the rise of mental health struggles among Black youth. We have a licensed psychotherapist joining us to discuss this urgent issue and why suicide is on the rise among our youth. #BlackStarNetwork partner: Fanbasehttps://www.startengine.com/offering/fanbase This Reg A+ offering is made available through StartEngine Primary, LLC, member FINRA/SIPC.  This investment is speculative, illiquid, and involves a high degree of risk, including the possible loss of your entire investment. You should read the Offering Circular (https://bit.ly/3VDPKjs (https://bit.ly/3ZQzHl0) related to this offering before investing. Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart podcast. I'm Noah and I'm 13 and I started this podcast because honestly, adults don't ask the right questions. Now You Know It, Noah DeBarrasso is a show about influence. Who's got it, how they use it and what it means for the rest of you. It's not the news. It's what the news should be if someone Gen Z or Gen Alpha made it. Politics is wild and I'm definitely not here to tame it,
Starting point is 00:00:25 but I'm here to make sense of it. Listen to Now You Know with Noah DeBarrasso on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When I became a journalist, I was the first Latina in the newsrooms where I worked. I'm Maria Inojosa. I spent my career creating journalism that centers voices
Starting point is 00:00:44 who have been historically sidelined. From the most pressing news stories to deep cultural explorations, Latino USA is journalism with heart. Listen to Latino USA, the longest running Latino news and culture show in the United States. Hear it on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts,
Starting point is 00:01:02 or wherever you get your podcasts. When your car is making a strange noise, no matter what it is, you can't just pretend it's not happening. That's an interesting sound. It's like your mental health. If you're struggling and feeling overwhelmed, it's important to do something about it. It can be as simple as talking to someone or just taking a deep calming breath to ground yourself. Because once you start to address the problem,
Starting point is 00:01:29 you can go so much further. The Huntsman Mental Health Institute and the Ad Council have resources available for you at loveyourmindtoday.org. In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more incredible, that article was written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who invented Sherlock Holmes. How did he fall for that? Hoax is a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood. And me, Lizzie Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious
Starting point is 00:02:04 tricks in history and try to answer the question, why we believe what we believe. Listen to hoax on the Black Star Network. Huge election on Tuesday in Detroit. They'll be voting on a new mayor. One of the candidates, Mary Sheffield, City Council President will be joining us today on Roland Martin unfiltered to lay out her plans for the Motor City.
Starting point is 00:02:58 If she is elected mayor in Texas, the battle over judicial continues. Democratic House Leader Hacking Jeffries is in Austin, standing with Democrats there. elected mayor in Texas. The battle over judicial thing continues. Democratic House leader Hacking Jeffries is in Austin standing with Democrats there will show you some of the comments. They also being made at a lot of
Starting point is 00:03:13 the hearings and folks have not been happy with Republicans who continue to lie acting as if they had no maps drawn up even though they dropped them the next day. Also mental health crisis. It used to be that black children, black youth, were far behind white teens when it came to suicide.
Starting point is 00:03:31 That is no longer the case. We'll talk to an expert about that very issue. More stupidity from Donald Trump. Oh, let's cut snap benefits. Medicaid. But sure, let's build a new $200 ballroom on the White House grounds. Why not?
Starting point is 00:03:48 Plus, on today's show, we will talk about more craziness in this country. Y'all been seeing all this talk about this beating in Cincinnati and that white MAGA, I mean, MAGA's been going crazy. There were some things that happened prior to that beating. I'll share that with you as well. Time to bring the funk on Roller Martin Unfiltered on the Black Stud Network, let's go. He's got whatever the piss he's on it.
Starting point is 00:04:16 Whatever it is he's got to scoop the fat to find. And when it breaks he's right on time and it's rolling. Best belief he's knowin' Puttin' it down from sports to news to politics With entertainment just for kicks He's rollin' It's Uncle Ro Ro, y'all Yeah, yeah
Starting point is 00:04:38 It's Rollin' Martin, yeah Yeah, yeah Rollin' with Rollin' now Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Rolling with rolling now. Yeah. He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best. You know he's rolling Martell now. Martell. Folks, you'll have heard me say numerous times, every election matters, especially local elections.
Starting point is 00:05:09 Well, there's a big May-Oriole election taking place in Detroit on Tuesday. Lots of candidates running. One of the folks that's running is Mary Sheffield, council president. Of course, when you look at polling data, she's leading in the polls, but you know what? It all comes down to, you know, fighting for every single vote. She's been on the city council since 2013. There are eight other people in the race as well.
Starting point is 00:05:33 Mary Sheffield joins us right now. Good to see you again. I saw you a few weeks ago when I was in Detroit picking up an award from the NAACP there. And so y'all, of course, y'all didn't know backstage, I was messing with her because she was going over her speech. I was like, just speak off the cuff. Just don't even read, don't even read the speech.
Starting point is 00:05:52 All right, glad to have you here. Why do you want to be Mayor of Detroit? Well, thank you for having me, Roland. Always good to hear you and I can't see you, but I can hear. It's all good, I'm here. Okay, all right. We can see you. We can see you, we're good. All you. It's all good, I'm here. Okay, all right. We can see you. We can see you, we're good. All right, but I'm running from there
Starting point is 00:06:08 because Detroit has so much potential and we've made tremendous progress. I mean, everyone, not just in Detroit, but really around the country has talked about and is seeing the resurgence of our city. But in the midst of that resurgence, there are still far too many neighborhoods, there's still far too many people who have not felt the growth and progress of our city.
Starting point is 00:06:29 And as a lifelong Detroiter, someone who was born and raised in Detroit, I have a deep passion and love for our city. And I've served this city the last 12 years, working to lay the foundation to help the city emerge from the largest municipal bankruptcy in the country. I feel that it is my obligation to ensure that the growth and the momentum and the resurgence continues in a way that's equitable and that is actually touching more people here in the city of Detroit. That's an important point because we looked at a lot of the expansion that's taken place
Starting point is 00:07:02 over the last eight years. Mike Dugan has been the mayor. I've heard from people who say, hey, it's benefited developers, but not necessarily small businesses. And at the end of the day, if you don't have residents, I mean, you can have brand new buildings, brand new shiny things,
Starting point is 00:07:19 but you still kind of need people in order for a city to grow and prosper. I wholeheartedly agree with you. And when we talk about actually taking Detroit to the next level in Detroit, rising higher than what it is today, this next administration has to be focused on how do we actually get people to not just come and patronize our businesses, come to our downtown, but actually see themselves living in our city.
Starting point is 00:07:44 And so my focus is going to always be how we build walkable, vibrant neighborhoods, how we're creating a place where families once again can live in Detroit in order for us to grow our population and really take Detroit to the next level. Because as you mentioned, we can build buildings and invest in our downtown and midtown. But ultimately, we want people to see themselves living here, raising their families here, growing our population, and attracting and retaining our young people, we have to go back to neighborhoods and housing
Starting point is 00:08:13 and all of the social issues that I think are so important here in our city. You are there in the Midwest, and the reality is when you look at the numbers, you're losing people. They're leaving Michigan, Wisconsin. They're leaving these states, Illinois, Missouri. And so a lot of that is driven by economics.
Starting point is 00:08:33 And so what is your plan to attract businesses to set up shop in Detroit that would supply the jobs, obviously for the longest, more than 100 years? It's been about the auto industry there in Detroit. But how do you look to diversify your economy there that will then attract people attract homeowners? Yeah, well let me first say Detroit's population has recently seen an increase after decades of decline. We just celebrated maybe about a couple of months ago After decades of decline, we just celebrated maybe about a couple of months ago another population growth for two consecutive years. So we are starting to move in the right direction.
Starting point is 00:09:11 We are not any longer losing population. We're gaining, but it's not at the speed I think that we all want to see. And so for me to continue to attract different industries to Detroit, we want to have to make sure that Detroit is a business-friendly city. What we oftentimes hear is that it's extremely difficult to open up a business or for industries to move to Detroit because of red tape, because of bureaucracy. If you go to other cities, they don't have to experience that much difficulty getting into city government and opening up those industries and businesses in their cities. And so we're going to work on improving the culture of
Starting point is 00:09:44 how business is done in Detroit. Secondly, in order for these industries to come here, we gotta have talented workforce. We got to have people who can feel those positions with the skills and the knowledges that they need. And so we're gonna have a heavy focus on workforce development to ensure that we have a pipeline that is prepared for the industries
Starting point is 00:10:03 that will come to Detroit. And then lastly, we pay some of the highest property taxes in the country in Detroit. And oftentimes we have to continue to offer incentives and abatements for companies and industries to come to Detroit because the cost of development is extremely high. And so we're working on achieving structural property tax reform and then also offering as many incentives as possible, whether it's our land and also other tools to ensure that we're incentivizing those industries that come to Detroit.
Starting point is 00:10:31 You're talking about those property taxes, why are they so high? Well, they've always been high. We have tons of millages over the years that have continued to add to that cost. And I think for decades, and really quite some time in Detroit, we've always experienced
Starting point is 00:10:45 extremely high taxes and it's always been a burden for our residents. And so we've tried year after year to try to reduce it. The last two years the mayor has launched an initiative changing some state laws that would allow for reduction in property taxes and we're working on that extremely hard because it's been a huge barrier. People have a left for Southfield and the suburban communities because the cost of living is so high. Even our auto insurance is extremely high compared to other cities. And so these are structural issues
Starting point is 00:11:14 that have been plaguing our city for generations that we have to work on to stop individuals and businesses from coming to Detroit. Quality of life obviously is one of those things, but what goes into that also are schools. When businesses are looking to relocate, they're looking at, they're looking at transportation, they're looking at quality of life,
Starting point is 00:11:35 and looking at entertainment, and looking also at schools as well. And so obviously that's not under your purview, but that also has to be a significant issue when you're talking about how do you attract people, how do you attract families who you want to be there for generations, not just transient, will they come and go?
Starting point is 00:11:56 Most definitely, and we have a robust plan working with our school board and our superintendent. Right now, the number one issue facing our school system in Detroit is absenteeism. Our kids are not showing up to school and oftentimes it's social determinants that are preventing our young people from showing up, whether it's transportation, parents or families
Starting point is 00:12:16 have issue with childcare. And so the city could be a greater partner in that regard. We also have to ensure that we're exposing our young people to skilled trades and vocational training and exposing them to other alternatives outside a traditional four-year college degree. And so I plan on being a very active and hands-on mayor as it relates to education.
Starting point is 00:12:36 While we may not control the school system, we can open up our rec centers, our libraries, use partner organizations and sites to ensure that there's robust afterschool programming for our young people to get the additional educational support that they need. So we're going to be a great partner. While the mirror doesn't control, we don't need to control, but we can achieve a significant increase in the outcome of our young people as it relates to education. All right, then. Well, that certainly sounds like a
Starting point is 00:13:03 whole lot. I know you got to get back to campaigning. Early voting is taking place right now, right? Yes it is. It's happening right now and Tuesday, August 5th is the election and we are excited for Detroit to get out and show out. And so if those, anyone who is listening on your show today, if you know a Detroiter, call them, let them know to show up. Let their voice be heard.
Starting point is 00:13:22 But more importantly, if you don't early vote, please get out Tuesday, August the 5th for this very pivotal, pivotal moment in our history and this very, very important election. All right, Mary Shafil, we surely appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Good luck. Thank you. You as well. All right, folks, go on to break.
Starting point is 00:13:38 We'll be right back. Roland Martin, Unfiltered on the Blackstone Network. Next on the Black Table with me, Greg Carlton. Democracy in the United States is under siege. On this list of bad actors, it's easy to point out the Donald Trumps, the Marjorie Taylor Greene's, or even the United States Supreme Court
Starting point is 00:13:58 as the primary villains. But as David Pepper, author, scholar, and former politician himself says... In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more extraordinary than the magazine article's claim was the identity of the man who wrote the article, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who wrote Sherlock Holmes. Yes, the man who
Starting point is 00:14:27 invented literature's most brilliant detective was fooled by two girls into thinking fairies were real. How did they do it? And why does it seem like so many smart people keep falling for outlandish tricks? These are the questions we explore in Hokes, a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood. And me, Lizzie Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history,
Starting point is 00:14:56 from the fake Shakespeare's to Balloon Boys, and try to answer the question of why we believe what we believe. Listen to Hokes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Noah, I'm 13, and as you might've seen from the news, I got a podcast and I explain those fake headlines like your uncle would, like your cousin would
Starting point is 00:15:20 if he actually did the research. Honestly, adults don't ask the right questions. Now You Know It, Noah DeBarrasso is a show about influence. Who's got it, how they use it, and what it means for the rest of you. It's not the news. It's what the news should be if someone Gen Z or Gen Alpha made it.
Starting point is 00:15:37 And I'm watching everything. Majority of the youth, 18 through 24, say they trust Republicans more than Democrats if they're on the economy. You kidding me? Politics is wild and I'm definitely not here to tame it, but I'm here to make sense of it. Just what's happening, why it matters, and what it means for us.
Starting point is 00:15:59 Bring your brain. Listen to Now You Know with Noah DeBarassa on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When I became a journalist, I was the first Latina in the newsrooms where I worked. I'm Maria Hinojosa. I dreamt of having a place where voices that had been historically sidelined would instead be centered. For over 30 years now, Latino USA has been that place.
Starting point is 00:16:25 This is Latino USA, the radio journal of news and culture. As the longest running Latino news and culture show in the United States, Latino USA delivers the stories that truly matter to all of us. From sharp and deep analysis of the most pressing news. They're creating this narrative that immigrants are criminals.
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Starting point is 00:17:49 opportunity at work in the ad council. There's another factor that trumps them all and resides much closer to many of our homes. His book is Laboratories of Autocracy, a wake-up call from behind the lines. So these state houses get hijacked by the far right. Then they gerrymander, they suppress the opposition, and that allows them to legislate in a way that doesn't reflect the people of that state. David Pepper joins us on the next Black Table, here on the Black Star Network.
Starting point is 00:18:27 This week on The Other Side of Change. Duran Mamdani, the New York City mayoral race and this progressive wave that has sent such a shock wave through all of New York City and really the rest of the country. Jamal Bowman is going to help us understand what this mayoral election means and how we make sure that it translates across the nation. Can you imagine national Democrats
Starting point is 00:18:46 like identifying themselves as having flavor or riz or swag? Like, absolutely not, right? So hopefully the city does what it can in November to help resurrect this dying party. And honestly, just resurrect our democracy. Only on The Other Side of Change on the Black Star Network. This is Tamela Mayne. And this is David side of change on the Black Star Network. This is Tamela Maine.
Starting point is 00:19:06 And this is David Mann. And you're watching Rolling Mark. I'm Phil Tute. Thank you. The war in Texas trying to steal five congressional seats decimating not only the Democrats numbers but black and brown representation. A lot of folks continue to speak out. First of all, today House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries was in Austin standing with Democrats. We'll show you some of that.
Starting point is 00:19:46 But some of the people who have been attending these hearings and putting these Republicans on blast include Tarrant County Commissioner, Alyssa Simmons, who's been fighting redistricting even on the county level where they're trying to wipe out a black member of the commissioner's court in order to put a Republican in. Here's what she had to say. My name is Alisa Simmons.
Starting point is 00:20:08 I'm the Tarrant County Commissioner that represents the precinct. I represent the precinct that you are currently sitting in, meeting in. This is my precinct. Welcome to ground zero of redistricting. Tarrant County, Texas, home of the Tea Party and Maca Republicans, Maca Republican County Judge, DA, Sheriff, all of them. I am here to urge the members of the Texas legislature to say no to racism and the racially discriminatory redraw of congressional maps. What you've done is planned and calculated a racist attack
Starting point is 00:21:00 on the fundamental voting rights of people of color. on the fundamental voting rights of people of color. I should know, MAGA County Judge Tim O'Hare used a racist law firm and a racist map drawer to attack, pack, and crack African American in Hispanic neighborhoods here, just like you are trying to do to our congressional maps. With the mid-decade redistricting of Tarrant County Commissioners' precincts, the Republicans came for me and my seat just last month.
Starting point is 00:21:38 On June 3rd, my constituents lost their representation due to intentional racial gerrymandered MAGA politics. And what happened when my colleagues voted to redistrict, when they voted to go after my precinct 2 seat, a damn lawsuit. So hopefully you all are prepared for that. They redrew our lines not because the population shifted, not because our communities changed, but because they wanted to silence our voices. Like you, Texas legislative Republicans, my MAGA colleagues wanted more power than they already have. Tarrant County has been in existence since 1849 and has always been Republican-led. What more do you want?
Starting point is 00:22:31 They didn't give a damn who they had to disenfranchise. Please complete your testimony. Is my time up? Please complete, yeah, I'll let you complete your sentence. All right. That wasn't fair. That wasn't Democratic. It was designed to rig the game before the whistle even blew and
Starting point is 00:22:47 Now Texas Republican leadership is behind closed doors haven't seen a map or a redistricting proposal from you guys Doing the same thing But we are here today to say no to racism and racially discriminatorily redrawing of congressional maps. Thank you all. Members, any questions for this witness? Representative Mangels recognized the question. Commissioner, we might, it's okay, just remember to stay at that microphone until we might have some questions for you. Representative Mangels recognized the question witness.
Starting point is 00:23:25 Thank you. I had a quick question. I know you were saying that because of this it's going to cause a lawsuit. Is your county right now flush with cash or do you all have an over-serve plus of cash? I'm asking for an intent. No sir, we are not flush with cash. So you're not. Second thing is obviously you wouldn't know but as of right now since this the county is going to spend $30,000 to try to do that. That is not the case. So you' re not. Second thing is obviously you
Starting point is 00:23:50 wouldn' t know but as of right now since this will possibly be going to litigation do you know how much the county is already having to spend to try to affirm what they' ve already done to the seat
Starting point is 00:24:02 with redistricting? the racist map. We paid them to draw the racist map, $30,000, and now we've hired them to defend the damn racist map, and at 250,000. So that's just the beginning. So we're already well above with $300,000? Yes, in less than a month. Okay.
Starting point is 00:24:24 And then how is that end up going to be, you know, the the county. I would like to ask you about the tax payers. That is just the beginning. That is just the beginning so we' re already well above $300,000? Yes in less than a month. How does that end up going to be paid back? I know the county is going to do it but where is that? Their money.
Starting point is 00:24:38 Tax payers who are already disenfranchised as well as people who are not disenfranchised. Correct. This is going to increase taxes in your county? It probably will. I would like to ask you if you would like to ask a question to the senator. I would like to ask you if you would like to ask a question to the senator. I would like to ask you if you
Starting point is 00:24:48 would like to ask a question to the senator. I would like to ask you if you would like to ask a question to the senator. I would like to ask you if you would like to ask a question to the senator.
Starting point is 00:24:56 I would like to ask you if you would like to ask a question to the senator. I would like to ask you if you would like to ask a question to the senator. I would like to ask you if you would like to ask a question to
Starting point is 00:25:04 the senator. I'd like you just to inform the committee how your Republican colleagues on the Commissioner's Court went about achieving it. Just correct me if I'm wrong but they took heavily minority neighborhoods from precinct 2 which you were elected to represent and packed them into precinct one which is an existing majority minority commissioners precinct. Do I have that basically correct? That's correct. So precinct two as politicians you know is a competitive district.
Starting point is 00:25:41 Precinct one is decidedly democratic. Precincts three and four are decidedly Republican. So hey, if the Republicans run a good race, they maybe could have beat me, but they didn't. It's a competitive district. And so, yes, my precinct, the CVAP voting age population was 48.9% black and brown. And with redistricting, it's now 38% black and brown. So they've decimated greasing too. OK. And basically, when they do these racial gerrymanders, like we're about to see in this congressional map,
Starting point is 00:26:35 there's basically two ways to do it, right? You can crack minority community and thereby dilute votes across several districts and or pack minority voters into as little geography as possible. But the net effect is the same, reducing the overall representation that minority voters have in their ability to elect the candidates of their choice. That's correct. So they took, for example, the Tarrant County portion of Grand Prairie, which was increasing
Starting point is 00:27:04 to and votes decidedly Democratic. That's your district. Yes. And took it right around Arlington and placed it in Precinct 1. So they cracked Precinct 2 very well and put them into precinct one. Thank you for walking us through that. Thank you, Commissioner.
Starting point is 00:27:30 Thank you, sir. Now, folks, yesterday at another hearing, Reverend Dr. Frederick Douglas Haynes, a senior pastor at Friendship West Baptist Church, he also spoke to the room. Check this out. Give us your testimony, sir. Thank you, Mr. Chair. My name is Frederick Douglas Haynes and that name has been used earlier. I want to commend you because there are two governing principles that have informed how you have presided
Starting point is 00:28:00 today. Number one, you said that we are going to follow the rules. Number two, you also mentioned that every American deserves to follow the rules. Number two, you also mentioned that every American deserves to be heard. It is my prayer that that would govern how we respond to the wannabe kings from Washington, D.C. dictating that we redistrict at this inopportune time that we redistrict at this inopportune time, already districts that have been well gerrymandered. And so I'm asking, number one, that we follow the rules of justice. Justice, according to Michael Eric Dyson,
Starting point is 00:28:35 is what love sounds like when it speaks in public. Justice means that all of us, your number two principle, deserve to have our voices heard. With this particular dictate coming down from Washington, DC, our voices will not be heard. I'm asking, Mr. Chair, that indeed this committee reject what's coming from Washington, DC, and ensure that our voices are heard, and not only that our voices are heard and not only that our voices
Starting point is 00:29:06 are heard but that we follow the rules of justice. I basically say with what has been said before most if not all on this committee have some kind of religious affiliation. According to my understanding of Christianity and most religions, there is a belief in justice. If there is a belief in justice, it especially is concerned with ensuring that the voiceless have a voice. Please do not rob the voiceless of a voice with a racist redistricting that follows the dictates of someone who wants to be the king and not the president of the United States of America. In a few months, many of us are going to celebrate what happened 70 years ago when Rosa Parks
Starting point is 00:30:01 decided that she would stand for justice by not giving up her seat. I've always wondered about all the other folk on the bus that December 1st day. What did they do? Rosa Parks, we agree, was on the right side of history because she took a stand for what was right and just. The others were on the wrong side of history because they did not take a stand at all or they went along with what was wrong. I'm asking you this day, please stand with Rosa Parks in that spirit, meaning that history will record that you were on the right side of history because you stood for justice. You were on the right side of history because you
Starting point is 00:30:50 followed the rules of justice. You were on the right side of history because you made sure that everybody in Texas has a voice and not just voices of those who look like the occupant of the White House. I am begging you, please stand on the right side of history as opposed to the wrong side of history which will hurt all of us and is against everything that is moral and everything that is just. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your time. So folks, I will sit this video Samuel Garcia, fellow Texas A&M Aggie, and I just love what he had to say.
Starting point is 00:31:31 So we'll play this last one before we go to Commissioner Simmons. So y'all check this here out. Microphone, we'll get to you in just a moment. All right, Chair calls Samuel Garcia. Shall you register to testify on behalf of yourself on the revised Congressional Redistricting Plan? Is that correct? Yes, sir, it is. Please give us your testimony. I drove here three hours to get here. I came from Abilene, Texas. And I'm going to, if I'm willing to drive three hours to come here and talk, I'm going to ask you to get off your phone and listen to what I have to say. Whenever I found out when you address somebody from the state legislature, you're supposed
Starting point is 00:32:14 to call them the honorable this or the honorable that. Well, the word honorable means that you bring honor, and when you're elected, you're given that title. You're given that title. You should earn that title. Being honorable means that you do the right thing. Being honorable means that you will look at yourself in the mirror every day and say, why am I doing this? You got a call from Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:32:42 He told you to go find five seats. No, he got asked how many seats. He said five. He was asked on the news. You say we don't have any maps. Well the hell in the hell does Donald Trump know he's going to get five seats? I bet you anything there's maps that are there. Those maps are there and they're sitting on his desk and he's waiting for you to do it. This is ridiculous. A man a few days ago was arrested because he spoke too long at this at the lecture. He spoke too long and y'all said oh he had to be arrested because he broke the rules. How many of you are gonna get arrested for breaking the rules of mistreating
Starting point is 00:33:26 the citizens of this country? You're breaking the rules. We are the citizens of this country. We're the ones. It's supposed to be bottom up, not top down. I'm going to say this one thing to you. You know it's wrong. In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more extraordinary than the magazine article's claim was the identity of the man who wrote the article, Sir Arthur was the identity of the man who wrote the article, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who wrote Sherlock Holmes. Yes, the man who invented literature's most brilliant detective was fooled by two girls into thinking fairies
Starting point is 00:34:19 were real. How did they do it? And why does it seem like so many smart people keep falling for outlandish tricks? These are the questions we explore in Hoax, a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood. And me, Lizzie Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history, from the fake Shakespeare's to Balloon Boys,
Starting point is 00:34:44 and try to answer the question of why we believe what we believe. Listen to hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Noah. I'm 13. And as you might have seen from the news, I got a podcast and I explain those fake headlines like your uncle would, like your cousin would if he actually did the research. Honestly, adults don't ask the right questions.
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Starting point is 00:35:23 Sheesh. Majority of the youth, 18 through 24, say they trust Republicans more than Democrats if they're on the economy. You kidding me? Politics is wild, and I'm definitely not here to tame it, but I'm here to make sense of it. Just what's happening, why it matters,
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Starting point is 00:37:37 In your heart, you know it's wrong. And here's what I'm gonna ask you. When your kids or your grandkids ask you one day, as a state representative, did you do — always do the right thing? You've got two answers that you can choose from. You're either going to have to admit to them that, no, sometimes I did things just for power. Sometimes I did that.
Starting point is 00:38:02 Or you're going to have to lie to your kids and lie to your grandkids and tell them you did it because you believed it because you know this is wrong. This is wrong. I grew up... Please complete your testimony. I'm an Aggie and I bleed Aggie Maroon. In Aggies we say, Aggies we don't lie, steal or chill, cheat or steal. And we don't tolerate those who do. But the other thing is, soy Mexicano. And my mother would look at you today, my mother would look at you today and say,
Starting point is 00:38:45 see me Wednesday. Members, any questions for this witness? Tournequist now, Terran County Commissioner Lisa Simmons. Glad to have you here. I mean, lots of passion here. And what Garcia there, he summed it up. This is about power. This is about raw, naked power.
Starting point is 00:39:03 It's pure and simple. And that's what, as you laid out, these racist Republicans are doing in Texas, in Tarrant County, in Galveston County, in Austin, Texas. And at Fort Bend County, Texas now. Same process. These Republicans want to destroy the voting strength of black voters and other minority voters. They want to illegally throw the racial and political makeup of this county and this commissioner's court out of balance.
Starting point is 00:39:43 Same thing they're doing with the congressional maps. It is obvious racism. What I want people to stop doing is calling it a power grab. These guys have the power. This is racism, pure and simple. They've got the power. They want absolute dominion. They want dominion. So this is racist. And we need to continue to say that, call it what it is, call it thing to thing.
Starting point is 00:40:21 Well, and the thing that I keep, you know, when I wrote my book, White Fear, How the Brownie of America is Making White Folks Lose Their Minds, I laid all this thing that I keep, you know, when I wrote my book, White Fear, How the Brownie of America's Making White Folks Lose Their Minds, I laid all this out. I mean, I said, guys, this is what they are doing. This is what they're preparing to do. It's as simple as that. And so many people, I looked at so many people who set the election out last year, oh, oh, you know,
Starting point is 00:40:40 I don't like this about Kamala or this, Trump is not that bad. And now they're sitting here going like oh my god They're doing it, but they said they were going to do it. I Knew it when I took office two years what seven months ago the consultants called My I won November 8th November 9th, they called and said, can you jump on it on a Zoom?
Starting point is 00:41:07 They are going to redistrict this seat because the sister before me, she served one term, we serve four year terms. She served one term. She was black. She won by 4,000 votes. I won by 4,000 votes. I won by 4,000 votes. Where I sit is, like I said at the testimony,
Starting point is 00:41:30 is a competitive district. And so they, the Republicans knew it was going to turn, it was going to be more, it would become more easy for Democrats to win. And so they, they're like, we become more easily easy for Democrats to win. And so they, hey, they're like, we're about to put a stop to this. And they want the county judge will tell you, if he could, he'd want four Republicans on the commissioner's court. What's important about that is it's taking away your representatives.
Starting point is 00:42:03 Right. is it's taking away your representatives. Right. I mean, you're removing me from, this would remove me from the court. It will be nearly impossible with the new map that passed, it passed here. We have been redistricted, reapportioned. It will be nearly impossible for me to win. And that is a result of people not voting. Y'all have got, we've got to get these folks to the polls, period, point blank.
Starting point is 00:42:40 Yeah, I keep saying they are taking advantage. 61% of Texas is minority. Yet 61% of the people who vote are white. And let me tell you this. For years I've been, I get the Tarrant County Republican monthly newsletter. Those people are organized. It's not rocket science. They are canvassing now for 20, the Republicans in Tarrant County are block walking, knocking on doors now. What we do as Democrats, election's over, we need to take a break. We need to take a break. We need to take a rest. And so we can go to those hearings, give great remarks and speeches and all that.
Starting point is 00:43:32 Same thing that happened with this commissioner's court. I had a ton of people show up at commissioner's court. Two overflow rooms. It doesn't matter. They've got the votes on commissioner's court. They've got three votes. The Texas court. They've got three votes. The Texas house has the votes to redistrict. So what are we going to do?
Starting point is 00:43:51 Keep giving speeches. We've got to do better. Subscribe to the Tarrant County Republican newsletter and do what they do. It is, it's not rocket science. We, we just gotta be consistent, block walking, communicating, educating, and have short succinct messages and be tough, talk shit,
Starting point is 00:44:17 and get out here. We should be campaigning right now, right now. Yeah, I mean, I've been making that point. I can't tell you how many times I say, yo, you can't wait. I spoke today on the panel of the US Black Chamber, Inc. And I laid out to the people, I said, you have to be starting far earlier, a year earlier.
Starting point is 00:44:39 You gotta be teaching people. There has to be town halls. I said, we gotta go back where we had freedom schools in the civil rights movement. You gotta have freedom schools teaching people about there has to be town halls. I said, we gotta go back to where we had freedom schools in the civil rights movement, you gotta have freedom schools teaching people about public policy. I saw this one, I was on social media, this one guy, this was about three days ago, he was like, you know,
Starting point is 00:44:53 Democratic National Committee, where are y'all? Y'all should be Texas fighting. I'm like, no fool. I'm like, you should be fighting, but you should be mobilizing and organizing because the problem with Texas is unorganized. And Republicans have been able to win all across the state statewide offices and here's the deal your county is the last large major county in Texas that Republicans control. That's why they're
Starting point is 00:45:19 scared to death. They lost Harris County. That's why Abbott hates Governor Abbott hates Harris County. That's why Abbott hates, Governor Abbott hates Harris County. They lost Dallas County. They lost Travis County. The governor is such an ass. They, this new map, they literally put the governor's mansion in a red district so as not in a Democrat congressional district. They're silly when they draw these maps, silly.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Listen, I'm telling you how silly they are. So precinct two, my precinct, is home to Globe Life Stadium, home of the Texas Rangers, AT&T Stadium, home to the Dallas Cowboys, the Texas Live Entertainment Complex. They, the lines theyboys, the Texas Live Entertainment Complex, the lines they drew, Roland, they gave the stadiums to a Republican precinct
Starting point is 00:46:12 or commissioner, but not the goddamn parking lots. So the parking lots are still mine. Make it make sense. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. They drew the maps. So the parking lots of the stadium are in your district, but the stadium itself is not. You heard me, yes.
Starting point is 00:46:35 And so I guess that's, you know, I've driven, you know, I might go meet people for lunch at Texas Live and they have jacked up parking lot. And I told my road and bridge director, I said, hey, let's use some discretionary funds. And I know the Rangers don't need county dollars, but I want that parking lot fixed. So we can use some discretionary funds
Starting point is 00:46:56 and help them repair that parking lot. And so I guess they want me to use my discretionary funds to repair parking lot. Make it make sense the way they drew these lines. And you're from this area, a lot of your listeners aren't, so this won't mean much to them. But Grand Prairie, Texas, the Tarrant County portion
Starting point is 00:47:18 is precinct to, and it votes decidedly democratic. They have moved Grand Prairie, Texas, round past Arlington and put it into precinct one. So precinct one, Democratic always gonna be. Did commissioner freeze there? I think she froze. Let's see if we can get her back there. We lost a signal right there.
Starting point is 00:47:48 You know, the thing that we're seeing folks, I mean, we literally are seeing some absolutely shameful behavior that's coming in Texas. But again, we warned people about this. And when the commissioner talks about how you have to mobilize and organize, how you have to get folk focused. Again, that's how you defeat this.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Y'all, this ain't rocket science. It's really not. And so you can be mad and pissed off. The question is, what are you going to do about it? I'm going to go to break. We come back. I'm going to talk, bring my panel up. Hopefully we can get the commissioner back.
Starting point is 00:48:26 But also, some democratic governors are saying, okay, FAFO, let's go. You're watching Roland Martin, unfiltered on the Black Sun Network. On the next Get Wealthy with me, Deborah Owens, America's wealth coach, black Americans have one-tenth the wealth of their white counterparts. But how did we get here? It's a huge gap. Well, that's why we need to know the history and what we need to do to turn our income into wealth.
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Starting point is 00:49:31 On this list of bad actors, it's easy to point out the Donald Trumps, the Marjorie Taylor Greens or even the United States Supreme Court as the primary villains. But as David Pepper, author, scholar and former politician himself says, there's another factor that trumps them all and resides much closer to many of our homes. His book is Laboratories of Autocracy, a wake-up call from behind the lines. So these state houses get hijacked by the far right, then they gerrymander, they suppress the opposition, and that allows them to legislate in a way that doesn't reflect the people of that state.
Starting point is 00:50:10 David Pepper joins us on the next Black Table, here on the Black Star Network. How you doing? My name is Mark Carrot, and you're watching Roland Martin, unfilteredtered deep into it like pasteurized milk without the 2%. We getting deep.
Starting point is 00:50:29 You wanna turn that shit off? We're doing the interview, motherfucker. All right, folks, Commissioner Simmons is still with us. I'm gonna bring in my panel as well, joining us right here on the show talking about the craziness that's happening in Texas. And again, we're seeing these things unfolding all across the country because Republicans want to do this everywhere because they are afraid they're going to be
Starting point is 00:51:00 losing, losing the House next year. All right, joining us with our hostage video, Dr. Noah Haynes, Georgetown University, School of Foreign Service. Dr. Greg Hart, Department of Afro-American Studies, Howard University, DC, Michael Brown, former Chair, DNC Finance Committee, DC as well. Let's get right to it.
Starting point is 00:51:25 Now, if you wanna understand how these folks think, how these folks operate, what's on their minds, all you have to do is just look at, in terms of how they go about their business. The other day we showed y'all some of that in terms of these Republicans, in terms of, you know, just how they move. So here's a perfect example.
Starting point is 00:51:52 So Jimmy Petronas out of Florida put out this statement here. Give me one second, I'm gonna try to pull it up. He goes, I support a renewed redistricting effort for Florida. If Texas can do it, the free state of Florida can do it 10 times better. Also, y'all, fair districts is unconstitutional because it violates freedom of speech and elections
Starting point is 00:52:17 or a state's rights issue. The more power to the states, the better. Okay, here's the problem with that, y'all. The folks in Florida literally put that right there, the Fair Districts in the state constitution. So it's a little hard to run around that. Now the governor of California, so this is his response to this headline
Starting point is 00:52:37 in the Texas Tribune, Newson will move to redraw California maps if Texas redistricts team up national fight. He goes FAFO. And he's absolutely right. You've got Kathy Hokel, give me one second. I saw this earlier. I was at the U.S. Black Chamber Inc.
Starting point is 00:52:56 and I was checking this out. Kathy Hokel, she is the governor of New York. And she is now weighing in on this very issue, making it clear that, yo, she will move to take some action when it comes to gerrymandering as well. And the thing here, Mike, I'm gonna start with you, is real simple. Okay, Republicans, y'all wanna start this fight?
Starting point is 00:53:28 Go ahead. But the most populous states in the country are blue. So let's do the map. California. I saw one analysis where they said they could literally flip the map in California to 52 to zero based upon Districts Kamala Harris 1.
Starting point is 00:53:52 So you got California, you got Ohio, you got Maryland, you got Illinois, you got Virginia. Hey, my whole deal is you tell Dems go for broke, change the whole damn thing. And when they start crying, you say, okay, let's do a national gerrymander ban. Oh, y'all Republicans, y'all voted against that in Congress, Michael. Absolutely. And thanks for having me, Roland. I certainly hope that those three governors that you mentioned start putting the pieces together, start talking to the particular state representatives that they can count on, and start putting these—drawing their
Starting point is 00:54:36 own maps. Be prepared. If Texas pulls the trigger and does it and executes, you're ready to do the same. Now, the only question is, if Texas does not pull the trigger, should the states you just mentioned do it anyway? Oh, first of all, Michael, that ain't even a question. Texas is gonna do it. I mean, that ain't even, that ain't even, you can't say the horse left the barn,
Starting point is 00:55:05 the ship is at the port. Bottom line is they are prioritizing redrawing districts over focusing on flooding that killed almost 200 people. That right there tells you exactly what the focus of Governor Greg Abbott is. So if that's the issue you're referring to, then absolutely those particular blue governors and the blue state representative bodies should absolutely get ready, be prepared. So if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.
Starting point is 00:55:41 Yeah, absolutely. Commissioner Simmons, you see right here, this is Governor Kathy Hochul of New York State. I won't sit by while Donald Trump and Texas Republicans try to steal our nation's future. And I think what she should say is, okay, y'all flip five, I'ma flip five. And Newsom should say, I'ma flip 10. And again, Maryland, Illinois, Virginia,
Starting point is 00:56:04 if I'm Democrats, I say, yo, let's pick up 2025 seats. Exactly, what we being so nice for? What is what? You're exactly right. Abbott, this is happening in the- In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies.
Starting point is 00:56:30 But even more extraordinary than the magazine article's claim was the identity of the man who wrote the article, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who wrote Sherlock Holmes. Yes, the man who invented literature's most brilliant detective was fooled by two girls into thinking fairies were real. How did they do it? And why does it seem like so many smart people keep falling for outlandish tricks? These are the questions we explore in Hoax, a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood. And me, Lizzie Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history, from the fake Shakespeare's to Balloon Boys, and try to answer the question of why we believe
Starting point is 00:57:17 what we believe. Listen to Hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Noah. I'm 13. And as you might have seen from the news, I got a podcast and I explain those fake headlines like your uncle would. Like your cousin would if he actually did the research. Honestly, adults don't ask the right questions. Now You Know It, Noah DeBarrasso is a show about influence. Who's got it, how they use it, and what it means for the rest of you. It's not the news. It's what the news should be if someone Gen Z
Starting point is 00:57:51 or Gen Alpha made it. When I'm watching everything. Sheesh. Majority of the youth, 18 through 24, say they trust Republicans more than Democrats if they're on the economy. You kidding me? Politics is wild and I'm definitely not here to tame it, but I'm here to make sense of it.
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Starting point is 01:00:02 part of your talent strategy at tearthepaperceiling.org brought to you by Opportunity at Work and the Ad Council. Texas House, period point blank. They got the votes. They jacked around and had some check the box, play play, public hearings, didn't have a map to show the people didn't have a map to show the people or a redistricting proposal. This is a foregone conclusion. And we don't have the votes in the Texas legislature to do anything about it. So it is incumbent upon those other governors
Starting point is 01:00:40 to take action, no need to wait. There's no need to wait. to take action, no need to wait. There's no need to wait. The thing here, Greg, is you are facing evil. You're facing an individual and a party that is corrupt to their core. Republicans today in Congress voted down an amendment that would have kept
Starting point is 01:01:06 the United States from giving Trump this refurbished billion dollar, this jet from from cutters. Okay so they are sanctioning corruption. So let's just be real clear. I don't want to hear another one of these bullshit speeches from Senator Cory Booker or any House member, my dear friend, I know your heart. I know you're a person of decency. I don't want to hear the honorable so-and-so. These people are not honorable.
Starting point is 01:01:39 They're not decent. They're not fair. They're not moral. And when you're facing someone like that, you treat them accordingly. You do unless you don't. And, uh, our dear brother, Cory Booker is speaking a language they don't understand. And anyone who would say, well, you have to, when they go low, we go high.
Starting point is 01:02:06 And anyone who would say, well, you have to, when they go low, we go high. With all due respect to our former first lady, Michelle Obama, and anyone else who thinks that way. You're not a student of American history. I simply have to get back into trenches because I don't want to see another black table commercial for one that we already did. Although David Pepper is a very good person in this question to read this. But one of the first people we're gonna schedule to talk to is the author of this brand new biography of Charles Sumner, a remarkable senator.
Starting point is 01:02:37 So Senator Booker, I would really strongly advise you, brother, to read the biography of Charles Sumner. Read what he wrote and read the new book. The book ends with Charles Sumner on his deathbed, imploring the United States Senate to pass what became the Civil Rights Act of 1875, which was ultimately overturned by the Supreme Court and sabotaged by the House of Representatives. But I bring it up for this reason. Charles Sumner, who, if anybody, if people know him at all, they probably know from when Preston
Starting point is 01:03:08 Brooks of South Carolina beat him within an inch of his life on the floor of the United States Senate. Charles Sumner had no compromise. He is the major architect of Reconstruction legislation. We're talking about not only the Civil Rights Act of 1866, but the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments. Charles Sumner is a very important figure. Why do I bring up Charles Sumner at this juncture? I am not alarmed. I'm excited because this is the thing about these hillbillies and white supremacy. What you see is that corruption and overreach in the history of the United States walk hand in hand. The 1850s, the 1860s, leading up to the Civil War, you see some of the most corrupt, some
Starting point is 01:03:51 of the nastiest pieces of work in terms of open-wise premises in the history of this country at work. And if you're going to beat them, you have to simply decide you're going to break their political backs. Charles Sumner understood that. The Fugitive Slave Act of 1850, where they could just put their hands on you and say, you have no rights, and next thing you know, you're working on a damn plantation in Louisiana like Solomon Norfolk, which is, of course, the evening that we met the first time, 12
Starting point is 01:04:21 years of slave. Well, guess what? What the hell do you think ISIS is? I'm sorry, they call it ICE, but it's ISIS. They put their hands on you and the hillbilly in charge of it says, we can stop people based on how they look. It is an echo of that time.
Starting point is 01:04:35 So at this moment, what we are seeing is the same type of escalation in a different age of what proceeded to civil war. When South Carolina decided they would rather leave than obey the Constitution, well guess what? Governor Abbott, my friend, I applaud you my friend, because what you gonna understand, you hillbilly, is that when you break it this time,
Starting point is 01:04:59 nobody's gonna put on a uniform and save it. When Gavin Newsom said, as he has said today, that perhaps we'll have a special election on November the 4th and put to the ballot the question of redistricting. And Kathy Hochul is no flaming liberal. She's a centrist Democrat. She's going to follow suit. J.B. Pritzker in Illinois follows suit. Guess what?
Starting point is 01:05:19 The Cold Civil War is now moving to the hot phase. And finally, this ill-billed in Florida that you quoted talking about the First Amendment taking his cues from John Roberts, because that's absolutely John Roberts is gospel and talking about states rights. Well, guess what? That works both ways. If you're not going to give disaster relief to Republican districts in Maryland to because West more is the governor. Well, guess what? You're gonna stop paying taxes. And once them hillbillies start screaming bloody murder in Mississippi and Louisiana and Texas and South Carolina,
Starting point is 01:05:50 well, guess what? Those of us who are caught up in it, maybe we'll feel enough pain to get involved in the political process and vote enough people into the federal legislature so that the Freedom to Vote Act will pass. And maybe we won't, but I'll tell you right now, I'm excited because it's gonna always have to come down to this.
Starting point is 01:06:06 You don't break white supremacy with kind words, you break its back with power. No, this is not a moment for folk to be scared. This is a moment literally where it requires fighters. I remember seeing Reverend Willie Wilson was preaching in Dallas. And he talked about, there was a church break-in and some thugs stole the equipment in the church.
Starting point is 01:06:42 They stole the musical instruments and all kind of stuff like that. And so they went to the pulpit, he went to the pulpit that Sunday and he said, he said, I need y'all to put the word out on the street in D.C. We looking for our stuff. He said, but I don't need y'all simple Christians.
Starting point is 01:07:03 He said, I need some of my former thug Christians to roll with me to go get our equipment. Then they found out where the equipment was and rolled up on the place and got the equipment and got some other stuff from there as well. See, this ain't a moment for the weak, the meek, the quiet, the nice. No, no, no, no. This is where you need some Democratic gangsters who said, I'm going to take y'all out one by one. I'm going to make y'all feel, and every time JD Vance tweets,
Starting point is 01:07:40 oh my God, this is unfair, Did they say, take another seat? Then when they start complaining again, take another seat. And that's what you do. That's how you make them pay. Yeah, definitely. I wasn't sure where you were going with that at first. I wasn't sure. Well, that's why I know where I'm going.
Starting point is 01:07:58 If you just listen, you'll know where I'm going. The man you tell, you saying to listen, I haven't gotten six words out before you didn't. Because I just talked about, what are you talking about? You ain't know where I was going. That's why I explained it where I was going. You need some gangsters.
Starting point is 01:08:14 When you in a fight, you don't bring folk who believe in diplomacy. You bring folk who ready to swing. Now you understand what I'm saying? We finished my thought, thank you very much. Thank you very much. As a person who's literally just finished a book chapter today arguing for the coexistence of diplomacy and deterrence,
Starting point is 01:08:36 I do believe that we definitely need to be stronger and strategically stronger. If we have the option to do a thing, we should do that thing. If California, if New York, if Chicago can actually, you know, implement the same sort of strategy that they did in Texas, I say we go for it. I think this hemming and hawing, and which I understand from the perspective of you're trying to figure out if I make this move, is the person in office, you know, two, three years down the line, will they do it and use it against?
Starting point is 01:09:08 It's all these things that go into this type of thinking. That's what we don't have the luxury of. We don't have the luxury of the hemming and the hawing. We don't have the luxury of kind of thinking through when we are already here. We're not having this conversation proactively. We are here and the people need to rally around something. They need to believe in someone and they need to be inspired. And right now they are still searching for it.
Starting point is 01:09:36 So I say if this is an option, we should definitely pull the trigger on that and exercise that option. And Commissioner Simmons, who you got, I mean, they are literally using taxpayer money, as you say, to pay this racist organization. Folks should be raising a holy hell. And every time that little mascot county judge of yours starts whining and complaining,
Starting point is 01:10:03 they should sit here and say, all right, we gonna boycott your house. Hey, I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I'm not gonna on this. You ain't got to say it. I said it. If y'all in Tann County, hey, laws are allowed, protest at his house.
Starting point is 01:10:22 That's right, start at 6 a.m. Wake his ass up. See this is, these people, they are trying to lock in power for the next 50 to 100 years. They do not want to see black advancement, brown advancement. They are absolutely, they are white nationalists. Because let me tell you what Alisa Simmons is gonna pull up and stop doing. Is going to these rallies, public hearings, all this stuff about redistricting.
Starting point is 01:11:01 I had a seven-hour commissioner's court meeting and so grateful that all of the white allies, the African-American groups, the D9, the Hispanic organizations, so glad that we had 500, 600 people show up. And I had a redistricting public hearing in my precinct that lasted five hours. I went to the redistricting deal, the congressional, the state thing, Monday night. That was five or six hours long. If we don't stop talking, see, Elisa Simmons is not going to Austin. If one more person asked me to go to another rally in Austin, I get it, people want elected officials to speak
Starting point is 01:11:52 and do the wrong thing. Yep. What are we talking about? If all those busloads of people go into Austin for something coming, I'm not going. If they were in mobilized, hitting these doors, talking to people, they go into Austin to do what?
Starting point is 01:12:15 Go beg, talk, try, you are not convincing these racist clowns to change not one vote. Not one vote will change. But all of this, my sorority group, I'm just looking at all these, who's going to Austin, this bus got this. I'm like, Lord, what are we doing? At the beginning of the day,
Starting point is 01:12:40 and at the end of the day, the Tarrant County map, the state of Texas congressional maps are an expression of intentional racial discrimination designed to silence our voices, designed to eliminate our representatives. That wheel, I was elected by the, I was elected by the people.
Starting point is 01:13:10 And I told you it was a competitive district, not just by Democrats, not just by black. You can't win in my precinct by black and brown people voting for you or just Democrats. And so these maps have taken away, essentially, I'm faithful, I believe in God, but has diluted the voting strength of minorities to elect their candidate of choice.
Starting point is 01:13:38 So precinct one now in Tarrant County becomes almost, 88, 80 something percent, almost 90 percent Democrat, that's great. We will have one representative on the commissioner's board. Yep. Yep. So, you're absolutely right. If you're going to expand time, energy, and money, then you spend it where it is wise,
Starting point is 01:14:06 where you have a greater return on investment and that's hitting door to door, precincts, canvassing. That's what you have to do because you have to beat these people. And here's the whole deal, okay? A lot of these house seats, the Republicans control in Texas, they're a number that they can be beaten in.
Starting point is 01:14:25 Yes. If folk actually vote. That's just what it boils down to. Tarrant County is 50-50. I mean, it's right there. And we in Tarrant County, we have according to the Tarrant County Democratic Party, we have more registered Democrats in Tarrant County.
Starting point is 01:14:45 We gotta get, pull them out of their homes into the polls. more registered Democrats in Tarrant County. We gotta get, pull them out of their homes into the polls. Yep, there you go. Commissioner Simmons, we appreciate it. Keep up the good fight. Thank you, sir. Folks, gotta go to break, we'll come back. Vice President Kamala Harris dropped a new video. She's got a book out.
Starting point is 01:15:03 We'll talk about that. Also, what's the latest stupidity coming out of the White House? Drops a new video. She's got a book out. We'll talk about that also What's the latest stupidity coming out of the White House Take your pick Folks should watch a roll of mark on filter the black stud network support the work that we do join a bring the fuck fan club Your adults make it possible to do the work that we do you want to contribute via cash out? He's a QR code right here. Click the cash plate, get the cash out pay button to contribute. You can use this for credit cards as well. You want to see checking money orders,
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Starting point is 01:16:09 But as David Pepper, author, scholar and former politician himself says, there's another factor that trumps them all and resides much closer to many of our homes. His book is Laboratories of Autocracy, a Wake Up Call from Behind the Lines. So these state houses get hijacked by the far right. In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more extraordinary than the magazine article's claim was the identity of the man who wrote the article, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who wrote Sherlock Holmes. Yes, the man who invented literature's most brilliant detective was fooled by two girls
Starting point is 01:17:00 into thinking fairies were real. How did they do it? And why does it seem like so many smart people keep falling for outlandish tricks? These are the questions we explore in Hoax, a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood. And me, Lizzie Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history, from the fake Shakespeare's to Balloon Boys, and try to answer the question of why we believe what we believe. Listen to hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:17:39 I'm Noah. I'm 13. And as you might have seen from the news, I got a podcast, and I explain those fake headlines like your uncle would, like your cousin would if he actually did the research. Honestly, adults don't ask the right questions. Now You Know It with Noah DeBarrasso is a show about influence.
Starting point is 01:17:55 Who's got it, how they use it, and what it means for the rest of you. It's not the news. It's what the news should be if someone Gen Z or Gen Alpha made it, when I'm watching everything. Sheesh. Majority of the youth, 18 through 24, say they trust Republicans more than Democrats
Starting point is 01:18:15 if they're on the economy. You kidding me? Politics is wild and I'm definitely not here to tame it, but I'm here to make sense of it. Just what's happening, why it matters, and what it means for us. Bring your brain. Listen to Now You Know with Noa de Barrasso on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When I became a journalist, I was the first Latina in the newsrooms where I worked.
Starting point is 01:18:41 I'm Maria Hinojosa. I dreamt of having a place where voices that have been historically sidelined would instead be centered. For over 30 years now, Latino USA has been that place. This is Latino USA, the radio journal of news and cultura. As the longest running Latino news and culture show in the United States, Latino USA delivers the stories that truly matter to all of us.
Starting point is 01:19:06 From sharp and deep analysis of the most pressing news. They're creating this narrative that immigrants are criminals. This is about everyone's freedom of speech. Nobody expected to pokes from the American continent to stories about our cultures and our identities. When you do get a trans character like Ymir Pérez, the trans community is gonna push back on that. Colorism, all of these things that exist
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Starting point is 01:21:24 All right, y'all. Trump's an idiot. Okay, next story. All right, just messing with you. Folks, we know that's be true. The twice impeached, criminally convicted, felon-in-chief Donald-in-the-con Trump escalating trade tensions once again.
Starting point is 01:21:44 The fresh wave of terror set to hit dozens of countries at 12 a.m. on Friday. But now he's saying, okay, not Mexico, I'm not gonna do it. Okay, another country gonna do it. That love is here. Hey, South Korea, they're gonna spend almost 500 billion with us. So South Korea's gonna spend a quarter of their GDP?
Starting point is 01:22:03 Dude, stop lying. He threw out Japan. Oh, they're gonna give us 500 billion and we're gonna make lots of money. Japan's like, nah, no we're not, no we're not. I mean, we literally have an idiot who is engaged here. He thinks that he should get a Nobel Peace Prize. He is so jealous of Obama. And so now they're like, oh, Donald Trump,
Starting point is 01:22:25 he's looking at all the wars that he stopped. That's also sheer stupidity. Now we have the idiot announcing, oh, we're gonna build a $200 million ballroom at the White House because that's what we need. And so he's personally overseeing the construction of this new ballroom, okay y'all, like seriously. Now we have existing facilities in the White House
Starting point is 01:22:56 but he's like, no, no, no, we need a new ballroom and so you know what's gonna happen, it's gonna be gold shit everywhere. I mean you know it's gonna happen. It's gonna be gold shit everywhere. I mean you know it's gonna be one of the ugliest damn rooms you've ever seen. And so what he's doing is he's literally trying to turn the White House into that piece of crap place where he is, where Mar-a-Lago.
Starting point is 01:23:20 So this is a rendering that they posted that we should do. So we got that, then he's gonna get the billion dollar jet. See, I love this here. The federal government is gonna pay more than a billion dollars to upgrade the jet from Qatari government,
Starting point is 01:23:37 and then Republicans are gonna vote to go ahead and just give it to him when he leaves office. Now he's already enriched himself by upwards of $800 million as well. And so what we really have here, Nola, is an undeniable grift. They have decided, you know what?
Starting point is 01:23:59 We didn't really rape and pillage America not the first time. Let's really do it now. They're like the Vikings of old. Let's just rape and pillage everything. And that signals to me that he has no intention on coming out, honey, anytime soon, that that presidency is gonna turn into,
Starting point is 01:24:23 what is it called, primogenita. It's gonna turn into a monarchy. You are just spending and spending on the backs of Americans, on the backs of 300,000 plus black women who are out there looking for full-time employment, myself included. You are doing it on the backs of other federal workers
Starting point is 01:24:41 who you just completely displaced. You were doing it on the backs of folks who lost their Medicaid, on the backs of folks who are going to have to pay more as a result of these tariffs. So you are doing all this on the backs of Americans, as if you are the grossest—and I mean the grossest example, mythological creature of a king that, you know, we could ever encounter in our nightmares. You know, this is really—none of this is typical, none of this is usual. We're used to that. And I think my question is—it's a legal question, because I do believe he's coming
Starting point is 01:25:20 out one way or the other. He is coming out. I do not think it's going to be some, you know, Trump version of a monarchy. But my question is legal. All this stuff that they are doing in broad daylight, is somebody keeping score? I mean, I know last time Rachel Maddow had that wall of all his crimes, but I'm dead serious. With solicitors' generals' offices being pretty much dismantled, civil rights across
Starting point is 01:25:44 all the agencies being dismantled, civil rights across all the agencies being dismantled, who is keeping score of all these crimes? Well, when you have got media kissing your ass and sucking up to you, that's kind of hard. Michael, I love this here, I do. And let me just be real clear, y'all. I have no problem putting this on the table. We often say, no, I don't want to see people harmed.
Starting point is 01:26:09 I don't want to see people lose their homes. I don't want to see people lose their way of life. I don't want to see any of those things. I do. If you voted for Trump, you're not complaining about ICE deporting people. I don't mind if you go bankrupt. I don't, because you supported this.
Starting point is 01:26:34 See, I remember reading in history, and I believe this was a huge mistake by Lincoln in the North, allowing the racist plantation owners to reassert an oath to the United States to get their property back. No, you don't get it back. So take this fool in Alabama, okay? This fool may go bankrupt because of the workers,
Starting point is 01:27:03 but he says, I still stand with Trump. I hope he loses everything. Watch this huge job for the community. Well, the community is going to miss out if we can't get it finished. Superintendent Robbie Robertson, who chose to conceal his face, told Reuters that it was a recent ICE raid on a job site in Florida, more than 200 miles away. That spooked his staff. I know that we have lost a lot of our workers because of their hearing about these raids.
Starting point is 01:27:33 We have got some of them back, but we're still—we're now about half capacity, which basically hurts our work production. Immigration raids on building sites, part of an expanding crackdown by President Donald Trump on work sites across the country, are causing major disruptions to the construction industry, according to Reuters interviews. Robertson said his company faces a $4,000 penalty for every day it runs past its November 1st deadline, already a potential cost of $84,000. And those raids happen a good bit away from here. There's a lot of closer jobs than this one.
Starting point is 01:28:10 So I know they're all being affected as well. About 1.4 million of the roughly 11 million people in the U.S. illegally work in construction, more than any other industry. That's according to the Migration Policy Institute, a nonpartisan think tank. And construction industry leaders say those workers are hard to replace with native-born Americans
Starting point is 01:28:33 because most don't have the skills. They're willing to do it. The Hispanic descent, they basically are stepping up and they'll do some of the hard work. But I am a Trump supporter, like I said, and I do think there is a way to go about doing this, but I just don't think the raids is the answer. Oh, really?
Starting point is 01:28:56 Michael, I hope Robbie goes bankrupt. And Robbie, who clearly is not showing his face or his identity—well, I guess we know his name, Robbie—white supremacy is more important to him and others like him, or that think like him, is more important than their own self-preservation. And that's hard to compete with when Democrats are talking about, when we are talking about messaging of policy, democracy. None of that matters if white supremacy is your top priority. And so as people of color and black people and brown folks continue to
Starting point is 01:29:46 rise both economically, politically, political power, that's a problem. And so if my farm or company or business or I lose my home, but that's okay because we have a president that supports white supremacy. That's what I care about the most for a lot of people. Not all, not all white folks, obviously, but many. And then of course you have the blackface MAGA who I call the help. Folks like so-called pastor who we've never heard of, Folks like so-called pastor, who we've never heard of, so-called bestselling author of a book we've never heard of.
Starting point is 01:30:31 But because MAGA promotes him, not all of a sudden, Vince Ellis gets some airtime. So listen to this fool speaking at the racist turning point USA conference. And we're going to continue to do these great things and for these people, for these people that wanna complain, that wanna set back, who want to cry, who wanna talk about how hard it is. I'll tell you what we'll do for you.
Starting point is 01:30:59 You wanna talk about DEI, diversity, equity and inclusion? Yeah, you do need DEI because you're inferior. Yeah, you need it. I don't need it. You walk into my world with a DEI stamp on your chest, and I'm going to slit your throat. I want to see you come telling me you didn't earn it. I want to see you come into my world talking about I need
Starting point is 01:31:24 respite and I need a handout. Yeah, I'm gonna be smiling at you, boy. Take it away, Greg. I love it. My man, he says his name William Hannibal Thomas, is that who that is? Wasn't we, remarkable Uncle Tom from the late 19th or early 20th, I love it.
Starting point is 01:31:44 Wow. See, when you see, what is Lauren Victoria Burke Remarkable Uncle Tom from the late 19th or 20th, I love it. I love it. See, when you see what is Lauren Victoria Burke called these Negroes, a consensual, when you see a consensual man servant like that, he's got that Byron Donalds energy. He claims he wants to smoke till the smoke starts. That'll be the first Negro to run up behind his master and say, ah, ah, ah, yeah. But I love it.
Starting point is 01:32:06 I love that talk. And Dr. Haynes, it's plenty for being kept. The Supreme Court justices have to go to different circuits. They all get assigned circuits. I think Katanji Oniyuka Brown Jackson has the first circuit, if memory serves me correctly. Brett Kavanaugh has the eighth circuit. He spent a little over an hour yesterday or today trying to defend the rocket docket, the shadow docket, and this chicanery they're engaging the Supreme
Starting point is 01:32:32 Court. And he said in the course of his remarks that he reads all the blogs and listens to social media and all that. He has to stay aware of it. He's aware of all the criticism. Bear Kavanaugh knows what's coming. And so, you know, even as the courts now, and the federal court of appeals is hearing an appeal now on these ridiculous tariffs, realizing that the word tariff doesn't even
Starting point is 01:32:55 appear in the legislation that King Trump or would-be King Trump is using, what's going to end up—there are two things going on. Roland, you put it perfectly, brother. First of all, all these deals, the world is laughing. You just—by the way, Donald Trump, trying to defend your friend, the Trump of the tropics in Brazil, you probably just got Lula da Silva reelected in Brazil. Congratulations, you clown. The EU wrote some stuff on paper that ain't worth the paper it's printed on,
Starting point is 01:33:25 because as Paul Krugman explained in The New Republic, the EU is not the government. So when they told you they're going to invest, what, 650 billion? Fool, that ain't the government of the EU. They ain't going to give you shit. But you, I got a deal. They're going to invest all this money. They played you. Paul Krugman walked you through the whole thing. And finally, this is the thing that is hilarious about it. If you got a 15% tariff on cars coming from Europe, and there are a lot of cars that come from Europe and the United States. And you got like a 25% tariff on the Canadian automobiles.
Starting point is 01:33:59 The stuff in the Canadian automobiles was made in Michigan and Minnesota, crossed the border, come back in, guess who that's going to hurt? It's going to kill your voters in all those states and it's going to be cheaper to buy a European car than the one that your people put the car seats in and the seat belts and the radios and send it over the border to come back. Meanwhile, the Mexicans are looking to make deals with the Canadians who are looking to make deals with the Canadians, who are looking to make deals with the Europeans. The Brazilians are looking to even up their trade with the Chinese.
Starting point is 01:34:29 And they are building an economic system that is literally going to punch and collapse in the chest of the United States of America. I say march on, my friend, and take your man servant with you, because every stitch of clothes that fool got on his back was made somewhere outside the United States. Let's see him give that same speech butt ass naked in about a year. Meanwhile, inflation is still up. This despite Trump's campaign promise to bring prices down.
Starting point is 01:34:57 Well, the six months into the second term, the relief hasn't shown up yet. This idiot who seems utterly clueless about everyday life, he just insists prices are way down for everything. You know if you think inflation I've already taken care of prices are way down for everything groceries everything. In fact, that was a conversation on Fox News and the help Harris Fonkner, who claims to be a news anchor, who's really nothing more than a MAGA-loving Trump anchor, got bodied on her own show using a Fox News poll.
Starting point is 01:35:45 Watch this. Who do you think this really does come down to having to impress the American people right now? Is your party, Mike, you guys are not all moving in concert with one another. No, I mean, we lost the last election, so we're having a lot of tough conversations about how we build a new Democratic party.
Starting point is 01:36:04 That'll keep happening until we elevate a new candidate. What I'll tell you, though, is I think both political parties are completely out of touch with the day-to-day lives of most Americans. There's a lot of polling out in the last couple of weeks talking about how frustrated people are with inflation and pricing and housing and things like that. Inflation's at 2%. The GDP just popped. Well, inflation's at 2.9%, actually, Harris.
Starting point is 01:36:20 It's 2.9%. The GDP just popped to 3%. I mean, we haven't seen that in a very long time. If I could point you to Fox's own polling, Trump is negative 30% on pricing and the inflation is as unpopular as Joe Biden ever was. So the American people are pretty frustrated with where their lives are right now. There's a Navigator poll out just this morning or yesterday that has a lot of Americans saying they're worse off than they were six months ago.
Starting point is 01:36:46 I love that when you get back check. Okay. All right. We got it. We got to we got to move on. I don't know why you brought that shit up make me look real stupid. But yeah, we got to move on. So I don't know why you had to sit here and embarrass me.
Starting point is 01:37:00 I'm on network make me look like a fool. But then again, Harris Falkner is known for never ever doing any kind of fact checking whatsoever. She just goes on and spouts all sorts of nonsense. But what you're seeing though is you're seeing the reality of what's going on and see what's been happening is all these companies have been scared to death to raise prices. In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more extraordinary than the magazine article's claim was the identity of the man who wrote the article,
Starting point is 01:37:38 Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who wrote Sherlock Holmes. Yes, the man who invented literature's most brilliant detective was fooled by two girls into thinking fairies were real. How did they do it? And why does it seem like so many smart people keep falling for outlandish tricks? These are the questions we explore in Hoax, a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood. And me, Lizzie Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history,
Starting point is 01:38:15 from the fake Shakespeare's to Balloon Boys, and try to answer the question of why we believe what we believe. Listen to hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Noah, I'm 13, and as you might have seen from the news, I got a podcast, and I explain those fake headlines like your uncle would. Like your cousin would if he actually did the research. Honestly, adults don't ask the right questions. Now You Know It, Noah DeBorosso
Starting point is 01:38:45 is a show about influence. Who's got it, how they use it, and what it means for the rest of you. It's not the news. It's what the news should be if someone Gen Z or Gen Alpha made it. When I'm watching everything. The majority of the youth, 18 through 24, say they trust Republicans more than Democrats differ on the economy. You kidding me? Politics is wild and I'm definitely not here to tame it, but I'm here to make sense of it. Just what's happening, why it matters, and what it means for us. Bring your brain.
Starting point is 01:39:18 Listen to Now You Know with Noah DeBarassa on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When I became a journalist, I was the first Latina in the newsrooms where I worked. I'm Maria Hinojosa. I dreamt of having a place where voices that have been historically sidelined would instead be centered. For over 30 years now, Latino USA has been that place. This is Latino USA, the radio journal of news and culture. As the longest running Latino news and culture show in the United States, Latino USA delivers
Starting point is 01:39:52 the stories that truly matter to all of us. From sharp and deep analysis of the most pressing news. They're creating this narrative that immigrants are criminals. This is about everyone's freedom of speech. Nobody expected to pokes from the American continent to stories about our cultures and our identities. When you do get a trans character like Ymir Aperez, the trans community is going to push back on that.
Starting point is 01:40:18 Colorism, all of these things that exist in Mexican culture and Latino culture. You'll hear from people like Congresswoman AOC. I don't want to give them my fear. I'm not going to give them my fear. Listen to Latino USA as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. How serious is youth vaping? Irreversible lung damage serious. One in ten kids vape serious, which warrants a serious
Starting point is 01:40:47 conversation from a serious parental figure like yourself. Not the seriously know-it-all sports dad, or the seriously smart podcaster. It requires a serious conversation that is best had by you. No, seriously, the best person to talk to your child about vaping is you. To start the conversation, visit TalkAboutVaping.org, brought to you by the American Lung Association and the Ad Council. Michael, because they want to piss Trump off, now they're like, okay, you know what? We can't keep getting our ass kicked.
Starting point is 01:41:16 We just can't keep doing that. So you got Procter & Gamble announces, yeah, we're going to raise this here. How about this here? 2022 when Biden was president, the price of beef was $4.50. Now it's at $6.12, a new record. Boy, how about that, Michael? Boy, those prices are really tumbling down. Is that what we call new math?
Starting point is 01:41:39 That when it goes up, it's down? No, that's Trump and the GOP's math. They just say whatever they want, whether it's true or not, they say it. Obviously they get fact checked on channels that they know their supporters don't watch. So when they say things on channels that their supporters do watch,
Starting point is 01:42:02 they believe pretty much anything he says. So half the country knows the truth. The other half says, oh, he's working on it. It'll come down. Problem is he campaigned to fix all these issues. I think the term he used on day one, whether it's wars, the world is on fire, whether it's inflation,
Starting point is 01:42:22 not doing what he thought it would do. Prices are going up. His tariff strategy is a disaster. So when these Republicans talk about promises made, promises kept, I'm not sure what they're talking about. Well, and in fact, Richard Quest, of course, a CNN business correspondent, he just sort of just laughed at
Starting point is 01:42:44 all these trade announcements. Because see, what this business correspondent, he just sort of just laughed at all these trade announcements. Because see, what this fool does, Nola, is he just announces shit. He just announces it, and they're like, hey, Trump said it. But even though it's a lie, check this out. It's like, hey, Nola, that's- The deals. Let's talk about the deals.
Starting point is 01:43:02 Right. So we've got the deal with the European Union, which somebody has already described as pie in the sky. They simply will not buy that amount of energy and nor will they invest that amount of money. We have the deal with Japan where nobody knows where the $650 billion worth of investment is going to come from. Nobody. The Japanese admit they don't know where it's going to come from. We've got the deal announced today with the South Koreans. What Donald Trump has brilliantly done, brilliantly done, he wanted a headline number. And it's around 15%. But the underlying terms of trade deals are garbage. So, Richard, Richard, Richard, what deal would you have preferred?
Starting point is 01:43:40 How do you mean? Well, what details of a deal would suffice for you? Well, I would have liked them to have negotiated a proper long-term deal. What's proper? Let's focus on the word proper. What's proper to you? Where the detail holds up. Where the detail...
Starting point is 01:43:53 Because you keep saying this, but you're giving no specificity whatsoever. I can sit here and name a whole bunch of random ridiculousness. That means absolutely nothing at all. No, because they've actually announced a European deal where supposedly $600 million... So give specifics about when they're like to see in an alternative... So they can't see me. ...and it's got, give an alternative and give specifics for what would be a deal that would satisfy your critique.
Starting point is 01:44:12 A long-term trade relationship deal that doesn't rely on a fictitious amount of investment. The Japan deal, the Japan deal... Okay Richard. No, no, no. I'm listening, I'm listening. The Japan deal envisages $650 billion worth of investment, but nobody says by whom or how or the penalty against. It is literally making it up. They're good at, Noah, making that shit up.
Starting point is 01:44:42 Absolutely. They're good at it, and they have perfected, they're good at it and they have perfected how to be good at it. They say it confidently and they over talk you, they bully you, just like what we just saw there. The expert was being questioned by someone who was just trying to deflect from what the guy was saying because it was landing,
Starting point is 01:45:04 it was landing and resonating with folks. But this issue about how they literally just say anything and where media is right now, where corporate and mainstream media is right now, they're not going to push back, they're not going to ask any hard questions. And it was to shift that narrative, because, you know, everything was Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. I talked about this on my show, Nightcap, on Tuesday. I talked about this very intersection, that this tariff—supposed this EU tariff deal is designed so you won't be thinking about Epstein, which is why everyone should still
Starting point is 01:45:35 be thinking about Epstein. Even if there's no there there, this is an issue that really, really bothers him, and it bothers his base. So, you know, the fact that he's doing, I'm not shocked that he's lying. I'm not shocked that he's making up deals that have no teeth. I'm not shocked about any of it. But here we are, he has successfully changed the narrative
Starting point is 01:45:59 because we are talking about it. And what we're not talking about is Epstein. Ta-da. No, no, no, actually, actually, but he has to change the narrative because the rights that let him go of it. So that's the whole point. He's trying to throw everything at it and they're just all getting added on to it. But I do got to play this because I thought this was fabulous.
Starting point is 01:46:17 Again, this is what happens. And I need people to understand if you're ever seen the little shell game that the Frosters play? Okay, a master of the shell game on CNN is Scott Jennings. That smug idiot from Kentucky, one of the brokeest states in America that will be decimated by Medicaid cuts and SNAP benefits, but he doesn't care because he got a new contract to CNN.
Starting point is 01:46:42 Even Abby Phillip just said, you know what? I'm sick of your bullshit. That's what she said, you know what, I'm sick of your bullshit. That's what she did. Watch this. Record high in the stock market. Oh, come on. These trade deals are garbage. It's actually much simpler than this. Just one sec, because I think it's super important to understand. Scott, what was happening in April of this year, 2025? What was happening then? The president. What did the president announce on that week, the first happening in April of this year, 2025? What was happening then?
Starting point is 01:47:05 The president— What did the president announce on that week, the first week of April? What did he announce? The president was implementing his tariff agenda. And what were those tariff levels? And well, they were different for different countries. But every single person predicted calamity. Calamity.
Starting point is 01:47:20 Scott, you can't get stepped here. What were those tariff levels? They were different. The editor. Oh, not just different. They were two to three times higher than the current tariff levels. Did those tariffs go into place, Scott? It's different for every country.
Starting point is 01:47:36 Scott, it's a simple question. Did those tariffs go into place? He has delayed some of the tariffs. Yes or no? He has delayed some of the tariffs and he's made deals and he's implemented others. Did any of the tariff levels that Trump announced on that week, did they ever go into place? Some tariffs have been implemented, some have been delayed, and some deals have been made. The answer is they did not.
Starting point is 01:47:57 They did not. Some tariffs have been implemented. Some tariffs have been implemented. All of those quotas. That's why we have all this money coming in. We actually, we have them here. That's your thing. Even you. Even you say it.
Starting point is 01:48:05 Come on, Scott. You're playing with numbers here. No, but no. Back in April, I mean, back in April. You guys are so mad. Why are you rooting for failure? Because. Why does this take a root for failure?
Starting point is 01:48:15 Quiet, please, because you are saying that you're rooting for failure. You're taking a number of 40, 50, 60% back in April and you're comparing it to a number of 10, 60% back in April and you're comparing it to a number of 1015% now find strategy to negotiate and create leverage. Scott I will let you talk but I just have to say completely disingenuous to suggest I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:48:43 I'm calling for a recession. Me one second for me one second please let me finish it is completely disingenuous to suggest that what economists said would happen if Trump imposed 50 and 60% let's let's jump all the way up to a 135% level tariffs on this economy would have been a recession. Those levels never happened, which is why there has been no recession. So it's not that monolingual.
Starting point is 01:49:10 Sheriff Michael- Let me explain what happens when you're a smug asshole like Scott Jennings. So this is the shell game. Trump threw out tariffs of 75, 100, 125%. Economists said, you do that, we're gonna go into recession. Jerome Powell said, you do that,
Starting point is 01:49:31 yo, we're not cutting interest rates. What happened? Does anybody remember? See, what the Scots of the world don't wanna bring up, and that's why the other panelists should have done this, what happened to the stock market when he threw those announcements out? What happened to the stock market when he threw those announcements out? What happened to the bond market?
Starting point is 01:49:50 And that's when Jamie Dimon and others were like, hey, hey, yo, I'm gonna need y'all to chill. I need y'all to chill on these tares. You gotta understand what y'all about to do. And so all of a sudden they were like, hey, this ain't gonna work. This ain't gonna work. Okay, now,
Starting point is 01:50:11 Jamie Dimon is saying, you know what? It wasn't bad. Things are okay. Why is he saying that? Because they actually forced Trump to back down. But see, a mega fool like Scott Jennings, oh no, no, no, y'all predicted the economy is gonna fall through the floor and it didn't.
Starting point is 01:50:31 Yeah, dumbass, because the tariffs didn't go into place. He announced them, he pulled them back, he announced them, he pulled them back, he announced them, he pulled them back. That's what happened. But see, liars like Scott Jennings never want to talk about that because what they wanna do is convince people,
Starting point is 01:50:48 oh no, y'all were the crazy ones. No, no, we weren't crazy. The fool who you kiss more ass than Melania Trump is the crazy one. So y'all just gotta understand how the shell game is all being played. And we're gonna always call it out, including people like smug, mega idiot, Scott Jennings,
Starting point is 01:51:07 who will do anything to stay in Trump's good graces. Cause he used to be a Trump opposer, but it's a lot sweeter financially when you become a Trump grifter. And that ladies and gentlemen, is Scott Jennings. Going to break, we come back. Suicide among young black folks is serious and we'll talk about why and how do we confront it.
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Starting point is 01:54:11 Go to startengine.com slash FanBase and own the next generation of social media. MUSIC What's up y'all, this is Wendell Haskins, aka Winn Hogan at the Originals T-Golf Classic. and you know I watch Roland Martin unfiltered. part of everyday conversation. It could be impacting someone close to you. A recent report from the coma project and nonprofit focused on supporting the mental health needs of young people of color reveals some alarming
Starting point is 01:54:52 stats more than 40% of black youth ages 13 to 17 seriously considered suicide in the past year. 38% reported engaging in self harm. More than 16% actually attempted suicide at least once. Joining us now is Dr. Tatiana Melendez, a licensed psychotherapist,
Starting point is 01:55:11 an advocate for youth mental health. Dot, glad to see you again. I reached out to you because- How are you? Doing great, doing great. I reached out to you because someone I know, a friend, had to deal with this. She had a relative,
Starting point is 01:55:30 and her relative's daughter took her life 19 years old. And she said she and the family just totally devastated. I know several other folks, the same thing. And so for the longest, there was a huge gap between suicide rates among white youth and black youth. What the hell happened? I mean, I think we can look at a few things here. Some of the statistics you mentioned,
Starting point is 01:56:01 as I kind of did a little bit of my own research just to kind of get an update, you know, it's just, it rose, I think, by 144%, which is the sharpest increase across all racial ethnic groups. And I think when you look at like the contributing factors, there's a lot of things, there's this growing crisis, and despite this historical misconception,
Starting point is 01:56:23 the rates have soared, that's just what it is. In the last two decades, and when you look at systemic inequalities, you have stigma, you have this under resource of mental health infrastructure, it all plays a role. And so I think if we can move into a space where we have culturally responsive, peer led strategies, maybe more community driven advocacy,
Starting point is 01:56:46 accessible crisis support. We can definitely shift the narratives, but if we look back, you know, in the 1990s, you know, suicide was more common in adults. You see it now in young youth, children, and especially black youth. And so I think with social media, it's one of the big ones.
Starting point is 01:57:08 I just like it, but it's there, it's out there, and we just have to figure out what we can do with it. One of the things that we looked at here, this is the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry says, exposure to racism on social media and acute suicide risk in adolescents of color results from an intensive monitoring study.
Starting point is 01:57:33 Now, the reason I pulled this up here is because you talked about social media. And I think it's very hard for baby boomers or even Gen X to understand that when we talk about millennials generation generation Z Gen Z Gen alpha you're literally talking about people who were born into a social media. In 1920 a magazine article announced something incredible.
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Starting point is 01:59:26 and what it means for the rest of you. It's not the news. It's what the news should be if someone Gen Z or Gen Alpha made it. And I'm watching everything. Majority of the youth, 18 through 24, say they trust Republicans more than Democrats differ on the economy.
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Starting point is 02:01:42 Cars get hot fast and can be deadly. Never leave a child in a car. A message from Nitsa and the Ad Council. Your world. So we can see the, I see the memes. We talk about yo, don't mess with nobody in Gen X because they way tougher than you can think because we were latchkey kids. They talk about the rotary phones, the stuff,
Starting point is 02:02:02 all the stuff that we dealt with when we were kids. But you're talking about kids who are completely inundated from the moment they are born. You got two and three year olds who know how to navigate iPads and who can order stuff from Amazon. So now when you start talking about all the images, whether we talking about weight and hair and color and race, all these different things,
Starting point is 02:02:35 it is a different psychological attack than frankly with the, what we had to deal with. Yeah. I, I'll tell you, when I was growing up, I didn't have social media. And so one of the things I made sure I put in place for my daughter, I didn't allow her to watch TV until she was maybe five or six years old, and social media was definitely off limits.
Starting point is 02:02:57 And so I think now with the parents, they lack either the education or the empathy or just real conversations. These parents didn't grow up with the tools. So the emotional and identity related impacts are often just misunderstood or even minimize. So you have these kids, they're looking for the likes, they're looking for the followers.
Starting point is 02:03:19 And all this is doing is teaching kids to equate self-worth with validation and all these external approvals. I mean, now my daughter was showing me you have like filters and all these space, I guess, application. All that does is just contribute to, now we have body image issues. Right.
Starting point is 02:03:39 You know, you have, especially for our young girls. And my daughter did at some point, I remember her ninth grade year, because all the girls was on social media and she just started using social media and she thought that she was too thin. And that was an issue for about six months and she's a beautiful girl.
Starting point is 02:03:56 However, the girls are being affected, the LGBTQ plus community has been affected along with the youth. But if you have all this, you know, hey, I need to get a like, I need to get the followers, I'm going to change the way I look, that's going to create a, give us another layer of issues. But another thing I looked at too was,
Starting point is 02:04:17 I noticed like a lot of viral challenges and peer pressure. I mean, these kids today, the whole fear of missing out, FOMO, they feel like they need to do all these different things to fit in, that's creating a bigger issue. The constant scrolling and looking for who's online, who's not, all that does is just reduce attention span
Starting point is 02:04:39 and increases anxiety, which isn't really helpful either. You have the DMS, you have the harassment, you have the cyber bullying. All of this leads to depression, isolation, and suicidal thoughts. Well, you talked about the cyber bullying. So, I mean, look, we all can remember if you were dealing with bullying,
Starting point is 02:04:59 you were dealing with bullying between school hours or whether you were on the bus going or coming. Now with social media, you literally have bullying 24 hours a day. And it's not just you and three or four other people who have been in class watching, it's literally now thousands upon thousands all around the country of the world.
Starting point is 02:05:23 All day. Yes, that is the issue. The social media applications are available at kids youth fingertips. All day. They're at school looking at this stuff. So just imagine a kid every day wondering if they have followers. Okay, I don't have any followers today. Maybe people don't like me. They don't see me, I'm not beautiful, maybe I do need to change my image. And let me keep up with all the challenges. And this is not even, I think people don't understand, this ain't just kids.
Starting point is 02:05:53 You have college coaches, high school coaches who are like, get your ass off your phones at halftime. You have players, NFL players responding to somebody's comment on social media and during the headlight, you playing a professional sport, get your ass off social media. But again, it is such a psychological driver. And like I love these people,
Starting point is 02:06:23 this is real from the MAGA people. Look at that, you're getting ratioed. Look at that, you posted and you only got 18 retweets. And I'm like, you gotta be a dumb ass to start counting retweets. But again, that's that whole thing. And then, so now imagine it's just constantly coming down on you and it's everywhere and literally, yes, that phone from the moment they wake up
Starting point is 02:06:48 to the moment they sleep, and I know some parents, we've done that where snatch the phone, no, no, no, phone's in the room, they're gonna stay right here until it's time to go to school, and it's like crack addicts, it's like. And this is the space, you know, with social media, when I look at like some of the barriers and things that can actually be done to help
Starting point is 02:07:09 with the increase in suicidal ideation, you would think that we would be utilizing or leveraging social media for the good, right? How about we follow and share more of like the positive mental health pages? How can we encourage, you know, the real storytelling and not just highlighting all these reels that are very toxic.
Starting point is 02:07:30 And what can we actually do to call out some of this bullying and support kids who are actually struggling online? But this online interaction is very, very toxic and we're going to continue to see an increase in suicidal ideation or suicide is going to continue to see an increase in suicidal ideation or suicide is going to continue the way it is. To the folks, if y'all have not seen
Starting point is 02:07:52 the Netflix documentary, The Social Dilemma, folks, watch that. It literally talks about how the algorithm is programmed to do the very thing that Melendez was talking about in terms of the moment it feeds into it. So now how you look in your hair and how you talk in your teeth and oh I need the fillers and I need this and I need this and it goes just on and on and on and it's impacting people
Starting point is 02:08:20 right here and I don't think that we can overestimate just how harmful it is when it's not being controlled. Greg, I wanna go to you first, you're a university professor, you see this, you're seeing this in the classroom. And so, and just talk about your experiences in terms of how you've had to navigate this. Well, Roland, first of all, thank you for having this conversation.
Starting point is 02:08:51 And Sister Melendez, thank you for your work and for leading us in this conversation. I can tell you, brother, and I think I can comfortably speak for all of my colleagues. And I know one of them, of course course is right here, Dr. Haynes, Sister Nola. It's been a complete transformation in the classroom.
Starting point is 02:09:10 I think COVID accelerated a process that had already started with this technology transfer. But I'll tell you what though, and maybe this is where I'll stop and I ask you a question about this system. And with the quantum leap, past social media to chat GPT, I have been stunned even as recently as we just finished summer school at Howard, listening to young people, some of whom have talked about their friends, which I take as a proxy for some of them. Using chat GPT as a therapist, interacting with artificial intelligence as if it's human. And we remember the movie a few years ago, Hurt, where Scarlett Johansson voiced the artificial intelligence
Starting point is 02:09:55 and this man fell in love basically with himself. But when you compare what happened with the disruption in education, FaceTime, face to face with COVID and the acceleration in the technology and social media, and then you drop that AI in, I am not surprised by this really disaster that we have seen not only form, because these young people are struggling. And at this point, they're literally talking to themselves and looking for solutions.
Starting point is 02:10:23 I don't know if anybody else has anything to say, but I'd be very fascinated. I'd be very interested to hear what you have to say, SystemaLens, about this particular function of AI. You know, that is so interesting because, yes, I do think that COVID-19, there's all these long-term impacts. We look at isolation. I do think there was a lot of missed milestones.
Starting point is 02:10:43 There was the grief and family loss. Definitely even for me just been a mental health professional there was a mental health system overload where it literally widen the gap between the need and support and so this whole a I it's something that I'm actually learning about my daughter just was teaching me last week. she was actually asking AI questions and this lady just kept responding.
Starting point is 02:11:09 So it is new to me. And I mean, it was anything like, how do I need to tell my friend that she shouldn't be sleeping unprotected? And it literally gave her a whole narrative of like what she can say. And so for me, this is new. I would be interested in learning more about it.
Starting point is 02:11:29 But again, you know, I think it's great. And even though we have that, I do think when we look at black people in particular, there's still this unique, profound set of obstacles. So we can have the AI, but then there's still the stigma, there's the shame, there's this emotional distress that goes unspoken. And I do think that we still need to have therapy because it's one of the things that actually help. You still have the financial
Starting point is 02:11:58 and systemic barriers that come up, all the high costs. I try to offer low cost therapy as much as possible, but then you have transportation issues, you have a long wait because we can't see everyone. You know, and so I do think the AI is great. I just want to make sure that we're not moving away from like traditional therapy, especially because AI, we don't know how intelligent it is or what they're actually going to be telling clients. And so, you know, I just wanna make sure that because there's a culture mistrust, we wanna make sure that, you know, clients are able to trust the mental health system,
Starting point is 02:12:34 but we need something that's in place that actually works. Absolutely, Nola, you're in the classroom as well. So again, what we are seeing young folks today who are experiencing classmates taking their own lives and they're dealing with in inner cities, dealing with a level of debt that we never ever saw as well. So all of this stuff is compounded. Go right ahead, Nola. Absolutely. And again, I want to thank you both the way that Greg did for talking about this. Additionally, there's also a lot of awareness that's happening around sex trafficking in a black community today, actually. So I'm happy that people are talking about these issues that
Starting point is 02:13:19 are typically taboo and left in the vault, right, in the community vault, right? But, you know, one of the things that I see in my classroom, my students will pay attention because I still old school lecture, but it's the conversations that you hear when they're settling into class and when they're leaving class. And it typically is some level of insecurity that they're grappling with. And one of the things that this takes me to is the Dalt Test and Brown v. Board. And it takes me there because I wonder,
Starting point is 02:13:56 is there some way to be able to measure or to be able to kind of like locate, you know, the effects that this is having on young kids before they get to suicide. You know what I'm saying? Like, is there some sort of preventative measure that can happen so we can catch this before the insecurities just grow in so many different directions
Starting point is 02:14:20 that there's just nothing left to do because their entire lives are not only recorded, but they're scored. I grew up as a Zillennial, where men have their score keeping and women we have our score keeping, but these kids are literally score kept on every facet of their lives.
Starting point is 02:14:41 Are there some sort of preventative measures that your community, Dr. Melendez, is talking about to try to help before the suicide part? Is there some sort of social scientific test that can kind of measure some of this to kind of give answers? Those are the things that I'm thinking about. When you first meet a client, you know, you complete something called a bio-cycle social. And this really helps locate and prevent suicide.
Starting point is 02:15:11 So you're asking the questions to determine early risk factors, right? And once you can locate that root cause analysis if needed, you then implement some preventive strategies to address the root cause of the emotional distress. Because if there's no root cause analysis to see where some of this is stemming from, then we can't really address the issue to even provide the coping skills or mechanisms for them to even be able to function in society. So I think when you're able to locate the insecurity, which are, I guess we can label as maybe the risk factors, these are all warning signs. You see it, the insecurities, the vulnerability
Starting point is 02:15:51 to suicide can then actually be detected. So if it's psychological insecurity, is there low self-esteem? Is there hopelessness? Is there chronic self-doubt, which I see a lot of? Is there chronic self doubt, which I see a lot of. You have the- Material insecurity. Yes, perfectionism. I mean, I see kids and adults struggle with perfectionism. I mean, I even had some struggle with that at some point, but then you have the fear of failure,
Starting point is 02:16:17 but then you have social insecurity. You have digital insecurity. There's environmental. So if you're exposed to violence and trauma, there's environmental. So if you're exposed to violence and trauma, that's part of your environment. What you're exposed to, if it's abuse, if it's unstable housing or food, if it's academic or financial stress.
Starting point is 02:16:36 So it just depends. If we're looking at digital, then we may be looking at maybe exposure to cyber bullying or harmful online content. So it just depends. And you won't be able to determine that until you actually meet with a client to understand, hey, maybe there's some verbal or behavioral signs. Is this person talking about death? Is this person feeling like maybe they're a burden to another person?
Starting point is 02:16:58 And then you'll start seeing those signs, those red flags where this person is withdrawing from another person, they're losing interest in maybe some activities. I mean, you start seeing people give away person, they're losing interest in maybe some activities. I mean, you start seeing people give away possessions, they're writing about death. And so it's all about getting them into the room, getting them on the phone, getting them on a call and talking and having real conversations.
Starting point is 02:17:19 I have a call up and I'm getting a call. Girl, you know dog on whale. You know dog on whale. Michael is sitting there waiting to ask a question. So you need to wait your turn. Now, see, let them teach you something, Nola. You might be all your foreign policy stuff. So let me explain to you how we journalists do it.
Starting point is 02:17:42 We say, I have a question and a follow-up. Well, I did say follow-up. No, you did. No, you did. No, you did it after the question. Michael, go ahead with your question. Nola gotta wait. Nola gotta wait.
Starting point is 02:17:54 Nola, I'll give you some of my time, so I'll be very quick. No, you can't do that. Only the timekeeper can do that. Go, ask your question, Michael. I have three sons and a niece that I'm extremely close to. I'm trying to figure out, do you see a difference with the social media with males and females relative to impact? And I asked that in the context of,
Starting point is 02:18:25 no, they're not the same age, but I asked that in the context of my niece seemed to have a larger issue after COVID than my sons did. So I was wondering if there's a gender issue both with social media and related to COVID. media and related to COVID? You know, with COVID, I saw both male and female. I do think there was, I did see more females,
Starting point is 02:18:56 I think with the psychological effects, it was more of the body image issues in comparison. I didn't really see where my males were struggling with the body image because the girls, the women are doing all the filters, the influencers, that unrealistic standards. I also saw where females, it was more anxiety, more depression, more self-esteem.
Starting point is 02:19:24 more anxiety, more depression, more self-esteem. In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more extraordinary than the magazine article's claim was the identity of the man who wrote the article, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who wrote Sherlock Holmes. Yes, the man who invented literature's most brilliant detective was fooled by two girls into thinking fairies were real. How did they do it? And why does it seem like so many smart people keep falling for outlandish tricks? These are the questions we explore in Hoax, a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the
Starting point is 02:20:08 host of Noble Blood. And me, Lizzie Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history, from the fake Shakespeare's to Balloon Boys, and try to answer the question of why we believe what we believe. Listen to Hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Noah, I'm 13, and as you might've seen from the news,
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Starting point is 02:22:14 and our identities. When you do get a trans character like Imita Perez, the trans community is gonna push back on that. Colorism, all of these things like exist in Mexican culture and Latino culture. You'll hear from people like Congresswoman AOC. I don't want to give them my fear. I'm not going to give them my fear. Listen to Latino USA as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If a baby is giggling in the back seat, they're probably happy. If a baby is crying in the back seat, they're probably hungry. But if a baby is sleeping in the back seat, will you remember
Starting point is 02:22:53 they're even there? When you're distracted, stressed, or not usually the one who drives them, the chances of forgetting them in the back seat are much higher. It can happen to anyone. Parked cars get hot fast and can be deadly. So get in the habit of checking the back seat are much higher. It can happen to anyone. Parked cars get hot fast and can be deadly. So get in the habit of checking the back seat when you leave. The message from Nitsa and the ad council. But they also was experiencing more of the cyber bullying because it had to do with the appearance and maybe social belonging. So it was just like a pretty girl So it was just like a pretty girl syndrome. Be smart, be beautiful, be kind, be social. I found more of that with the girls.
Starting point is 02:23:32 And then, I mean, if you did show yourself in a bathing suit, then you had like the slut shaming that followed that. So they're like, okay, let me show myself. Let me be beautiful. But then on the back end, it's like you're being sexualized or the slut shaming comes in. And this was happening mainly with my black and Latino girls.
Starting point is 02:23:53 Latina girls. But then you do have the males, you know, the humor, the politics, the sports, the debates, it created some engagement. But I also think that it created more exposure to maybe toxic masculinity. It encouraged the guys, hey, I need to be more dominant. And all they were doing was just avoiding
Starting point is 02:24:16 the vulnerability part of it. So that risk of maybe emotional suppression, I saw more with males, which then of course led to more aggression. So when these clients would come, it's like, you have all this internalized depression. What is going on here? So I think those are the main two things, male versus female. Well, I think what you also are dealing with is you also have these expectations.
Starting point is 02:24:39 The young lady who was Miss USA, or Miss America, I forgot, who jumped from a building in New York City, who was an amazing lawyer, accomplishing. It was like, it was never enough. And I think when I look at a lot, you have a lot of young folks, and they're just neurotic about, because you got folks like, no, you gotta get this scholarship,
Starting point is 02:25:01 you gotta have straight A's, and you gotta be perfect at this, and this, and this, and this, and this, and then it's become one after another after another, and it's an enormous amount of pressure. I remember I was sitting here, I was sitting talking to one of my nieces, and she was just like, oh my God,
Starting point is 02:25:16 I gotta do this at our school, I was like, girl, calm down. I said, that shit is a sheet of paper. I said, okay, and it was like this desire to, okay, no, but, you know, magna cum laude, I gotta have straight A's. I was like, let me explain something to you. I said, it's the whole bunch of people I graduated with
Starting point is 02:25:35 who had magna cum laude, and I ain't got nothing against that. I said, but they broke as hell right now, and your uncle wasn't no magna cum laude, and trust me, they would switch places with me any day of the week. And I was trying to get her to understand that your success in life is not going to be determined
Starting point is 02:25:51 by what you do in that moment. And we've seen this, we've seen young people who are highly accomplished and it's never enough and you have parents and others and it's constant pressure and no, you gotta be great at it. And a lot of times I'm with some of these parents like, yo, I need y'all to relax. I'm like, y'all, and I just think you have to be very mindful
Starting point is 02:26:13 as a parent, as an aunt or an uncle, putting undue pressure on somebody who's 12, 13, 14, 15, 18, whether it's in a classroom or sports, because again, you are literally affecting that psyche and everybody is not built the same way. That's for you, Doc. No, yeah, no, for sure. I think the, you know, the undue pressure
Starting point is 02:26:44 on children, adolescents definitely contributes to suicide risk, especially when you have kids feeling overwhelmed or unsupported, or they believe their failure equals worthlessness, you know, and so I've seen it, the academic pressure. You're right, the high expectation. Oh, I have to get the perfect grades, I need to attend the elite schools.
Starting point is 02:27:09 I saw it with my daughter, she just went through the application process and even though she has great grades, she's like, hey, this person or they end up going to this school that was more elite. And I say, hey, look, let's not worry about that. I'm not going to be disappointed. I mean, she applied to, I think, 18 schools
Starting point is 02:27:25 and basically gotten to all of them, but still, that chronic stress, that burnout, that anxiety, the feelings of failure is all a result of academic pressure, the social pressure, needing to be popular, needing to be liked, needing to be on social media. I need to belong, I need to be in the right friend group. I need this identity click. And to be in the right friend group, I need this
Starting point is 02:27:45 identity click. And so my daughter went to a school where there's a lot of celebrity kids. And I mean, she's not a celebrity kid, but it resulted in possibly, you know, at times, at times it was mainly early in like maybe her seventh or eighth grade year, there was a little social anxiety. And all of a sudden by her eighth grade year, she said, I don't wanna go out for lunch. What do you mean you don't wanna go out for lunch? She was sitting in the library, she was isolating
Starting point is 02:28:11 and I'm like, okay, what is it that I need to do? And I definitely didn't wanna put the parental pressure because I do see that where you have parents who are overly involved, they have these unrealistic expectations for their kids and sometimes it's sports, it's family repartee. Oh, especially the sports team. Yeah, I've seen it.
Starting point is 02:28:29 And at her school where she goes, that was huge. And just sometimes you gotta be honest. Your kid can't play. Right, no. So just be happy they ask how to uniform. But I'm serious. I just think that, I don't know why we sit here and like, we don't want to be honest.
Starting point is 02:28:49 Some kids can't play sports. Just be on the team, run around, do the whole teamwork, but your ass will not be starting. No, and that was a huge one at her school, but again- What's wrong, Michael? I just, what? It was huge. Like, I don't get it.
Starting point is 02:29:08 I don't get why we can't be honest. And sometimes, Doc, we gotta tell brothers or sisters or aunts and uncles, I need to sit your ass down. Your kid is, there was a word we used growing up. Let's see if, Nola probably don't remember this down in New Orleans, but Michael, I know you and Greg. Do y'all remember the word afflicted? Flichted.
Starting point is 02:29:31 Flichted. Short for afflicted. Right, the word was afflicted. We use that word doc for everything. If your kid couldn't dance, if your kid couldn't play sports if your kid couldn't play sports, your kid is afflicted. Sometimes we just gotta go ahead and let the other folks know,
Starting point is 02:29:50 I think you put a little too much pressure. That kid is not gonna be great at that. So stop trying to make them something they're not because that's just a level of pressure. Not gonna. No, I mean, no, when you look at the psychological consequences with parental pressure, we're creating kids who are being raised, dealing with anxiety, they're dealing with
Starting point is 02:30:12 the depression, they're constantly feeling like they're a failure, they're dealing with the perfectionism, any little mistake that these kids are making, they are feeling unloved and disposable. And now what they're doing is dealing with emotional suppression. There's no safe outlet for them to even talk or cry. Why? Because they can't go to their parents,
Starting point is 02:30:35 and maybe they may not have insurance to even go talk to with their parents. So now you have suicidal ideation. I'm feeling like death is the only escape for whatever pressure that I'm feeling at death is the only escape for whatever pressure that I'm feeling at this point. All right, Nola, come on. Make your question quick. A question, not a statement, a question, not a sermonette, a question. I did very well in English. Thank you so much for that, for, you know, walking me through that.
Starting point is 02:31:01 See, you wasting time. You do this every time. You try to be petty and then you waste time. Now come on, ask your question. Oh, you mean match your petty. You mean match your petty. See, you wasting time. Don't let me, don't let me thank Doc and close this out. Come on now. Do what you wanna do.
Starting point is 02:31:18 Ask your question. My question is everything that you just said about cost and availability and all these things. I guess what I'm trying to get at is there some larger social test that can be constructed like the DOLL test. You know, to be able to catch this in other ways outside of students coming to an office considering everything that's being rolled back with insurance is gonna be more expensive,
Starting point is 02:31:53 like all the things that are happening. I'm just trying to figure out what could possibly be a social cultural way to be able to catch this. If you don't have the money to pay you or the time or the availability. I'm just curious, are there, is there something out there? Is there a tool out there that already exists like that?
Starting point is 02:32:19 I mean, outside of your digital and clinical risk screening tools that a lot of therapists and psychologists use, you know, you have your PHQ-9, which looks at suicide risk, and it's used for depression, suicidal ideation, and it's online. People can go and check and say, okay, here's a free screening tool for me to be able to use. But there isn't anything else that's really free. There's a lot of, you know, they have all these quizzes and tests that you can take.
Starting point is 02:32:54 I mean, I'm in the process of actually building an application that will be done real soon here. And it's basically, yes, mental health services at your fingertips where you can sign in and be able to speak to a therapist. You can participate in live conversations about different mental health concerns or issues. So that's in the making.
Starting point is 02:33:18 So there's different strengths. That's wonderful. Yeah, so that's what I'm looking forward to that. But yeah, I mean, you have the SVQ, I think, what you looked at is short, it's a few questions. But I will tell you the challenge that I'm saying, I was just working with a group of kids, they can't read. So even if they self-administer this test for themselves,
Starting point is 02:33:36 you give it to them and say, hey, answer these questions, these kids could not read. Hell no. So I had to have someone reach out to these kids, actually ask the questions every two weeks to keep up with where they are with their emotions and feelings. So that's an issue in the black and brown community.
Starting point is 02:33:58 It's huge, they cannot read. But they own social media. They're on social media. Well, I'ma tell you right now, it has nothing to do with this particular issue. But my greatest fundamental issue that I have with two or three generations is the inability to think. And I think part of this thing, Doc,
Starting point is 02:34:23 as you were talking about how do we communicate, I think there's so many people who are parents who wanna give the answer. Where I'm a firm believer, no, I'm gonna need you to think your way through this. I'm gonna need you to be able to express yourself and talk but think. And I think thinking and processing
Starting point is 02:34:39 are two of the greatest problems that we have today. And so when you're having these conversations, they literally can't even articulate what the issues are because we have not created spaces to force them to think and process. And that just to me, and I think we see it in classrooms, I see it all the time, right interns, think. I'm gonna blast. What? Oh, they are all five of them. No. Yeah. Oh, they know. They know. Oh,
Starting point is 02:35:10 trust me. Oh, trust me. They know again. So we, we, yeah, we have, we have think sessions. I ain't giving you the answer. You got to think. But again, this is something that for me, I did this with my nieces when they were early. No, I'm not giving you the answer. I'm not- Yeah, but I'll tell you, you know, but when we're talking about the black and brown community, a lot of these kids or youth or young adults
Starting point is 02:35:34 can't think because their parents can't think. And when you look at the causes to inability to think, these parents are under a lot of chronic stress. They're dealing with depression and anxiety. There's even what I'm seeing undiagnosed learning differences. So their trauma responses freeze, disassociate. So no, they're not thinking. There's a cognitive fog.
Starting point is 02:36:00 There's a mental shutdown. There's disorganized thoughts. So how are they going to teach their children to think when these parents can't think, but they're the same parents that either are, there is either negative or positive over pressure to perform. The invalidation part that comes with,
Starting point is 02:36:21 hey, telling your kids, hey, get over it, or you're being dramatic. You know, there's no room for failure. I'm quick to tell my daughter, it's okay if you fail, but what are we gonna do about it to recover? A lot of these parents, because they are stressed, they're creating adults who are emotionally unavailable. Why?
Starting point is 02:36:39 Because their parents are unavailable. Parents aren't listening, they're distracted, they're dismissive. The parents are on social media. Then you have just the tax of criticism. I hear so many parents, they're yelling, they're cussing. I'ma threaten you with punishment. That didn't go on in my household.
Starting point is 02:36:57 I did really well with my kids. So when I look at her and I look at some of the kids that may come to our practice, and when I talk to parents to kind of walk them through things, I'm like, you guys aren't even talking about mental health. They're ignoring the signs and refusing. It's like, what are we doing here? Indeed, indeed doc. Um, what's your website? People want to reach out to you. Ttm counseling.com. All right.
Starting point is 02:37:21 Dr. Tatiana Melendez was surely appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Folks, last issue here real quick. I just saw this on social media and I had to go ahead and play this here. And it's the perfect way to end the show with Samuel L. Jackson. Motherfucking wind farms. Loud, ugly, harmful to nature. Who says that? These giants are standing tall against fossil fuels, rising up out of the ocean like a middle finger to CO2. Deep beneath the waves, they can become artificial reefs,
Starting point is 02:38:07 creating habitats for sea lightning to grow. These are wind farm seaweed snaps, made with seaweed grown at a Biden farm wind farm. Serious gourmet shit. So, what's it gonna be? Motherfucking wind farms or motherfucking wind farms oh man there you go right there so uh now that's still in the product's selling the product, Wayne's selling the product, but you know, anytime you get Samuel M. F. N. Jackson,
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Starting point is 02:42:20 In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more incredible, that article was written by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who invented Sherlock Holmes. How did he fall for that? HOPES is a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood. And me, Lizzie Logan. Every episode, we'll explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history
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