#RolandMartinUnfiltered - FBI reviewing #ElijahMcClain case; Stonewall Jackson statue removed in Richmond; Facebook ad boycott

Episode Date: July 6, 2020

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a 23-year-old black man who died after Aurora, Colorado police put him in a chokehold. Authorities are also examining reports that multiple police officers in the city of Aurora were placed on administrative leave because of allegations that photos showed them near the site where McClain died. In a joint statement, the Colorado U.S. Attorney's Office, the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, and the Denver FBI office said they made the unusual disclosures about the investigations because of recent attention to McClain's August 24, 2019 death. Three officers involved in the case have been moved to non-enforcement duties.

Colorado Governor Jarrett Polis now appointed a special prosecutor last week to investigate after the local district attorney declined to file charges against the officers involved in McLean's arrest. Joining me now is Tiffany Lofton, Director, NAACP Youth and College Division. Robert Petillo, Executive Director, Rainbow Push Coalition, Peachtree Street Project, Long Victoria Burke, NNPA, Ryder. I'm gonna start with you, Robert. We know about this case because they waited a year to release the body cam footage.

All of a sudden, we hear these unique details. He's wearing a ski mask. He was wearing so because of his health condition. He ends up dead. And the cops did not really want this to get out. But because of Breonna Taylor, Ahmaud Arbery, George Floyd, all these past cases are cropping up. That's what we're dealing with right here. They thought that the death of McClain was going to go unnoticed. You know, this is part of the American racial reckoning that we're going through currently. We're seeing Kenrick Johnson in South Georgia, his case is being reopened and reexamined. This

is the same Aurora, Colorado police department that brought in the Aurora shooter who had murdered several people, had a booby-trapped house with explosives in it, they brought him in without issue. But somehow a black person, a young black male in quote-unquote a ski mask, warrants a death penalty. There's no way to bring that person in, regardless of what they're accused of, without using lethal force. So this goes to the point that we have in black America, which is the lack of belief

in the statements of black men and the statements of black families regarding police brutality, unless there's a video, unless there's a drone that happens to be flying overhead, maybe a satellite is filming you. Other than that, nobody's going to believe what you say. And this is why we have to make it easier for families and the media and the press to get a hold of police footage, of dash cam footage, of body cam footage before it is able to be edited or lost or destroyed. And also why we have to have legislation for tamper-proof body cameras for police officers so that all of these incidents and all of these interactions can be filmed.

What this reminds me of, Tiffany, reminds me of these civil rights cases that are open from the 60s that took place in the 80s and the 90s. I think the four little girls in Birmingham. Then you also have, of course, Byron Della Beckwith, who killed, who murdered Medgar Evers, NWACP field secretary in Mississippi. And so this renewed focus, and what we have here, again, local DA refuses to prosecute. And now with the attention, now all of a sudden the governor appoints a special prosecutor because the same way in the case of Maude Arbery, three different DAs, we simply cannot trust these local DAs, most of them who are white, to prosecute cases where cops were

involved in killing black folks. So there's two important things for us to point out in this moment. One, it is never too late for justice. That is the first thing. I don't care how long, how far away, it is never too late for justice. We need to make sure that the officers, who for some reason have still yet to be named because their identity is being protected, are then brought to trial for a proper process of due process. We see this all the time, Roland, where folks will have interactions with police officers and those officers are immune to even going to court and

getting indicted and getting charged. And so the movement that we see across the country after the death of George Floyd, of course, but also Nina Popp and Tony McDade and Breonna Taylor and Ahmaud Arbery and the hundreds of other names that we could list on this show right now. Those folks want justice. Those families want justice. And it requires not just paid administration leave. It requires an investigation. It requires a charge. And it requires police departments to take seriously what it means when they make mistakes or take people's lives and do not do full investigations. That's the first thing. The second thing is I want to remind people in this moment, again, because folks say that I keep beating the bush, it is important for us to turn out this year, November 3rd, for the general elections.

And this is exactly why. The reason why we have a 34-year-old Black Republican man in Frankfort, Connecticut, who has not brought those officers who killed Breonna Taylor to charge, is because we have a bad DA in office, Attorney General in office. The reason why these DAs are not doing what they're supposed to do is because we've selected the wrong people. And so November 3rd is our opportunity to make sure that we don't just vote for the White House leadership, but that we vote in the down ballot race to pick people who are going to stand for people in the name of our communities to make sure that this never happens again and that when it does happen,

we actually are able to receive justice for the family and the community. Lauren, there are bureaucrats in the Department of Justice who we can trust, people who are career employees. The problem is that the upper echelon, this Department of Justice, has shown absolutely no interest in justice when it comes to these cases. You had former Attorney General Jeff Sessions and the current A.G. William Barr backed by Donald Trump, who made it clear that they want to end police consent decrees. They don't want these investigations of cops. And so I have absolutely no confidence that the top officers in the Department of Justice give a damn about this. But I do believe you have career prosecutors who understand why these cases are important

and who want to move forward. I just don't trust Barr and Trump. Well, there's no reason to trust Barr and Trump. Obviously, they're not interested in these cases. They spend most of their time trying to pretend that police brutality does not exist and violence perpetrated by police does not exist. So then to acknowledge it through an investigation simply is not going to happen. You know, one of the things that's a little bit scary about this with regard to Elijah McClain and so many other cases is this concept that we actually have to have video to prove anything. Now the standard is starting to change to if you don't have video that backs up what you're saying, then nothing is going to get investigated, as if you have to have a video camera to prove that. And, of course, that ties into what has already been mentioned with regard to police body cameras,

which, of course, if they're turned off, it is not at this point considered obstruction of justice in any jurisdiction. So they sort of get away with that. But once we start raising the bar to the point where if you don't have physical evidence, nobody believes you, that's, to me, a huge problem because that's a pretty high bar. And most of these things happen without any cameras around, and you're just relying on witnesses, and that's about it. But with regard to the Justice Department, obviously, until we have a new president of the United States, a new attorney general, we'll be seeing the same thing on the

federal level with regard to completely ignoring this issue. Robert, to that particular point there, again, you have these DAs who constantly are establishing a higher barrier, a higher bar in anything involving police officers. And I think to Lauren's point, what you're seeing is the public is saying, wait a minute, I'm sorry. Why must there be a separate standard for them than it is for everybody else? And so that's where the challenges are really coming in when it comes to these cops. And yes, these DAs and putting pressure on them saying, y'all had better stop being in bed with the police departments and prosecute fairly. Oh, and well, you know, for DAs, it's almost an impossible position to be in.

And I by no means make apologies for DAs, but as we've seen these blue flus that come down in every city, including right here in Atlanta and New York and other places, the minute you try to call police officers responsible to police and police unions offer retribution. So what happens in DA's offices is they have to work so closely with the police that if you try to take action against a police officer, suddenly you're not getting any cases coming in. You're not getting any indictments. You're not getting police reports. You're not getting anything coming through that allows you to do your job. The police departments and the police unions have figured out how to hold our entire criminal justice system and indeed our cities and our elected officials for ransom like the mafia.

And until we do something to break up those criminal apparatuses that they use to influence public policy, then there's really no progress that can be made. We have to look at these bargaining agreements. We have to look at breaking up these unions and finding out how to make these police officers and this leadership accountable to the people and not simply accountable to their unions. This is real clear for me, Tiffany. The only way you're going to hold them accountable is you got to prosecute them. Then you got to fire them. And then if they're going to have this blue sick out, you make it perfectly clear. You don't do your job. Taxpayers are not going to keep funding you. You have to break the backs of these people who have to run with Robert

just said, holding cities hostage. These, these blue sick outs mad. They get a mad when one cop is held accountable. I'm sorry. Mayors have got to get, stand up and say, hell no, this is not going to happen. We are going to take you on. And if y'all want to be petty, if you want to be childish, if you want to act like a brat, fine. But we're not going to tolerate it anymore. It's very racial too, Roland, right? I agree with you 100% that until we start seeing convictions, until we start seeing punishment for people's actions,

nothing is going to change. I'm all on board with you. Two, we see it when it works in favor of white men. But we know of a case of a black woman police officer who pushed another white officer for choking someone in New York last year. And that police department put her on permanent leave and took her pension from her. She was one year away from getting 20 years of pension. Go ahead.

Her name. Go ahead. That's right. I'm trying to remember her name. I was hoping you was going to help me with it. She's out of Buffalo. I got you me with it. She's out of Buffalo. I got you. Go ahead.

She's out of Buffalo. Out of Buffalo, New York. And that's a black woman whose pension got taken away. And so we see a white officer, several white officers, push an old white man who's 74 years old, bust his head, and he is laying in a hospital bed. And all the officers had a blue flu and went on strike because they were upset that an officer got taken off of leave. And so we see not just the solidarity, the unity and the unionism of police being dangerous and the lack of accountability that elected officials are able to take because they decide they're going to stand in solidarity with each other and have boycotts and strikes. But when it comes to white men, that's only when it shows up. It does not show up for communities of color. It does not show up for shows up. It does not show up for communities of color.

It does not show up for black women. It does not show up for black police officers. And so we need to see a full change, which is why you have movements like Black Lives Matter, the NAACP, Movement for Black Lives, et cetera, calling for reform, defund, and abolish. And until those things continue to happen, we will not see change in this country for black people. And that really is the challenge, Lauren, of these mayors. They have got to lead. They've got to stop being afraid of police departments.

Well, you know, that's always a tough one now, isn't it? Because the mayors, of course, are working very closely with the police departments. Most mayors do have the power to pick their chief of police. And I frankly think that the mayors a lot of times get intimidated by the police. They get intimidated by sort of this weird alpha male thing that goes on. They don't want to be seen as crossing the police.

And it's a big political thing, obviously. You have the union consideration. But you have political considerations, which we see too many mayors who want to be the friends of the police instead of being the friends of the people that they're serving. And so, you know, they get into this sort of interesting thing of saying things like,

I don't want to tell the police what to do as if they're working for the police, you know. The citizens did not elect the police chief. They elected the elected official, the public servant that is there. And I think a lot of mayors forget that and get intimidated, frankly, by that presence of a law enforcement officer. All right, folks, let's talk about this. Rose, I got her name. I got her name.

It was Cariel Holman Horn. Cariel Holman Horn. That was her name. Go ahead. All right, folks. Let's talk about this next story. And that is another Confederate statue is coming down. Today, hundreds gathered in Richmond, Virginia,

to watch the removal of the Stonewall Jackson Monument. Richmond Mayor LaVar Stoney ordered the immediate removal of the monument in less than two hours after the Richmond City Council held off a vote to get rid of the Confederate monuments. Instead, the vote was to be taken on Thursday. Stoney released a video statement further explaining the emergency removal today. Fellow Richmonders, today I order the immediate removal of Confederate monuments from their pedestals. This work, already underway, will continue over the next several days. I've given this order for two reasons. First, it's a matter of public

safety. Failing to remove the statues now poses a severe, immediate, and growing threat to public safety. For the last 33 consecutive days, people have been gathering in large numbers in our city. And as the COVID-19 pandemic continues to surge and protesters attempt to take down Confederate statues themselves or confront others who are also doing so, the risk grows for serious illness, injury, or death. As we've already seen occur in the great Commonwealth,

we have an urgent need to protect the public. Multiple acts of the city council and the governor provide me the authority to act today. to protect the public. Multiple acts of the city council and the governor provide me the authority to act today. In 2017, the council adopted the city of Richmond's Emergency Operations Plan and named Richmond's mayor as the director of emergency management. And on May 29th of this year,

city council consented to my declaration of emergency relating to the recent civil unrest. Two days later, on May 31st, the governor issued an executive order proclaiming a state of emergency in Richmond for the same reasons. Yesterday, he extended that order through at least July 30th. Now, the Code of Virginia and the city's Emergency Operations Plan specifically authorized me as mayor to protect the health and safety of persons and property. I urge everyone to allow our team of crane operators to complete the removals safely. I will be working with council over the coming weeks to outline an inclusive public process through which we, as a community, can determine the ultimate fate of these statues. Until then, they will be kept in storage.

The second reason I act today is because it is past time. As the capital city of Virginia, we have needed to turn this page for decades. And today, we will. Since the end of Richmond's official tenure as the capital of the Confederacy 155 years ago, we have been burdened with that legacy. The great weight of that burden has fallen on our residents of color, but has also placed a weight on all of our brothers and sisters who saw the unmet potential for Richmond to become an international example of a diverse, compassionate, and inclusive community.

These statues, although symbolic, have cast a shadow on the dreams of our children of color. By removing them, we can begin to heal and focus our attention on our future. Let me be clear. Removing these monuments is not a solution to the deeply embedded racial injustices in our city and nation, but is a down payment. We have much work to do to realize Richmond's true potential. Now is an opportunity to listen and to learn. Just as we're transforming the city's landscape, we must transform the systems that have long served to hold back Richmonders of color. We will replace these symbols, not only with new artwork that inspires and reflects our shared values, but also with new policies, practices, procedures rooted in those values.

I also recognize the opportunity to engage people beyond the established leadership in Richmond. The past month has brought many new and young leaders to the fore, from the Black Lives Matter movement to Voices for American Indians and beyond. It is my responsibility to ensure you have a prominent seat at a larger table where you can be heard and understood. This afternoon, the story of a new Richmond begins.

The public process will allow us to consider how to replace these monuments together, and I hope that we choose representations of our community's collective ideals of equality and justice. May we choose artworks that bring sustenance to the eyes as well as the soul, and in which our children and their children will see themselves and their greatest aspirations. So let us move forward together, remembering what Dr. King once said.

Never, never be afraid to do what's right. Richmond, I love you. And I look forward to working with you as we chart a more inclusive course for our great city. See what you're dealing with here, folks. You're dealing with, again, this contentious battle going on. In fact, Donald Trump today sent this video out to his followers. You need to understand what's happening because they're trying to push as many of their racial white resentment buttons as possible. Watch this. To do with pursuing justice or unifying the country. This is all about sheer political gain,

political calculation, and trying to satisfy the cancel culture. There is a proper way to petition your government if you do not like something, and it is called a peaceful protest. I just think lawlessness of pulling down statues, let's do it the way that it's supposed to be done. It is extremely unhealthy in a society governed by the rule of law to allow the mob to prevail. As a nation, we are founded on principles. We are a constitutional republic. We've got to stop the mob. Why would you take an abolitionist statute down? Why would you be going after Abraham Lincoln? The people doing this hate our country. We have great parts of our history. We have very

dark and ugly parts of our history. I don't think we can just wipe that away and ignore that all those things occurred. And I think it is important to have good reminders around our nation of dark seasons in our past so that we will remember what we've come from. Tearing down history for the sake of anarchy is not how we make progress in this country. Your system of government is as is the case here in the United States. It's informed by our past. There are some historical figures that while not perfect, we can learn from. We don't want to go changing everything all at once. Americans know that an imperfect nation built by imperfect heroes

is still the most perfect union the world has ever seen. And when the dust settles, it is never never the mobs or bullies whom we honor well laura to listen to mitch mcconnell say's still the most perfect union, the fact that he could even utter such stupidity shows that for a lot of people who look like us, this is not a perfect union. And it has not been a perfect union and it's still not a perfect union. And to listen to those Republicans in that video, no, we need these things to remind us of the past. Go to Germany right now. You will not find a single statue or monument to Hitler or the Nazis,

and trust me, they have never forgotten. Yeah, and the mob, this idea that the mob and the bullies are wrong or something, you know, really, the reason that the statues are down in Richmond is because of protests every single day for about a month, the entire month of June. If it wasn't for the activists in the streets getting out there and expressing their discontent

and being loud and getting noisy and all of that, then it just doesn't happen. There was an extended discussion with regard to taking the statues down in Richmond, Virginia, a few years ago, and they wanted to, quote, put the statues in context. They wanted to somehow put a plaque at all the bottom of them explaining who everybody was. And there was always a group of people involved. The grassroots activists who were saying, no, they actually have to come down. These people represented slavery. They fought for slavery. They fought effectively for racism. That's a lot of times how change happens. We

may not want to admit it, but that street demonstration is what made this moment happen today in Richmond. And, you know, the idea from the Republicans that this country was founded on this type of-of demonstration, this type of activism. So I have no idea what that-that movie was about. But, you know, unfortunately, the president... Donald Trump hasn't figured out yet. I think he's gonna find out in November

that you don't have enough... His base is not big enough to win. He's gonna try to go for that again, but I just don't think he's going to find out in November that you don't have enough. His base is not big enough to win. He's going to try to go for that again, but I just don't think it's going to work. And that's, look, the reality, Robert, when you look at this whole deal, again, you just can't openly display the

swastika in Germany. Germans have not forgotten the millions of Jews who were killed. They have not forgotten that. They haven't forgotten that history. In fact, they are ashamed of their history. The difference between Germany and the United States is that the people who support Mitch McConnell, the people who support the Republicans, they love that history of the Confederates.

And they somehow, not somehow, we know exactly how they did it, but they're mad that we are rejecting the war of Northern aggression. We are rejecting the fairy tales that they created, where people go, no, this is pride in the South. This is not about slavery. Well, Roland, beyond that, you talk about the issue of fairy tales. The fact is that we lie to people in this country. We teach them propaganda in school and we teach them that as history. So we teach that George Washington chopped down a cherry

tree and could not tell a lie. We don't teach that he owned 300 slaves. He used to steal their teeth to put into his dentures. We don't talk about the fact that Thomas Jefferson, he's the father of our country, writer of the Declaration of Independence, we don't talk about him owning 150 slaves and raping children. To maintain this lie, they're willing to do whatever it takes to maintain the lie of the America that they have created. So when they talk about this idea that, well, you know, these statues are history, 9-11 is history. You show me where the statue and the monument to the 9-11 hijackers is in New York, and then I will say you can keep your Confederate statues. But the fact is the way that you teach history isn't by having a Confederate general stride upon a horse in his full military regalia holding a musket and a saber looking as if he's leading a war against

the devil himself. That doesn't show context. That doesn't show what really happened. That promotes the propaganda image that we have in America that white is always right and white supremacy is so woven into this nation that to attack white supremacy is to attack America itself. And that's why, Tiffany, these folks are angry. And the reason they're yanking statues down, because these politicians didn't have the guts to stand up to voters and remove them themselves. The public is saying, we ain't waiting on y'all any longer. Roland, in 2015, which is not the earliest that this started, but I'm going to name it because it was a pivotal moment in our history.

Speaking of history, in June 2015, Bree Newsome was arrested for climbing the pole to take down the Confederate flag. Five years later, we are here looking at Confederate statues, flags across the country that have not been removed by elected officials. I am so angry when I hear elected officials tell the mob, which by the way, are people like me, because we're the ones who are the leaders, the strategists, the activists, the protesters, the organizers, the leaders, the spokespersons, the fundraisers, the strategists, et cetera. We are the ones out in the streets trying to figure out. We tried to play nicely and do it your way. It's not working. Petitions. We spoke at the city council meeting. We voted people in office. Y'all did not remove any of the statues of the flag. We just saw what happened in Mississippi when they removed the symbol of the Confederate and the actual flag. But five years later,

because we took down the flag back in 2015. Now we're looking at people tear down, not violently, tear down these icons of pillars of Confederate leaders who, by the way, I do not learn history by looking at a statue. What you want to do and what you need to do is fix Common Core and teach true Black history, teach the true history of America. Then we can have a conversation about America's history. If you're going to talk about the statues and not about Common Core, you don't need to have a conversation with me about what America needed to fix its legacy and its history and what we need to stand proud to represent this country for. So when we talk about tearing down these statues,

I don't care. The speech that you just played from the mayor, the young mayor in Richmond, was brilliant and incredible for those two simple reasons he decided to take them down, because we are still in the middle of a pandemic. So it would be wise and advantageous of our elected leaders to say, wait a minute, y'all tearing down the statues? Okay, we're just going to tear them down before y'all decide to tear them down. So that way, at least we can savor them and put them in storage.

Because what we're going to do when we get to them is not be nice. Because when we tried to follow the process, when Carla Kaepernick took a knee, when Brie took down the flag by herself, when we petition, when we post on social media, you still don't listen. So now

it's gotten to the point where we need to escalate our tactics. And clearly that has y'all up in arms. We plan on continuing that strategy to escalate our tactics, to get what we want, to make sure our history teaches the true history of this country, and to make sure at the end of the day, black people are free and liberated of all white supremacy, period. Well, and today, Donald Trump tweeted this. Go to my iPad. New York City is cutting police money by $1 billion, and yet the mayor is going to paint a big, expensive, yellow Black Lives Matter sign on Fifth Avenue

denigrating this luxury avenue. This will further antagonize New York's finest who love New York and vividly remember the horrible BLM chant, pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon. Maybe our great police who have been neutralized and scorned by a mayor who hates and disrespects them won't let this symbol of hate be a fix to New York's greatest street. Spend this money fighting crime instead. This symbol of hate folks on Juneteenth, Mayor of Moss Point, Mississippi,

Mario King decided to paint a Black Lives Matter illustration with a peace and strength symbol in front of City Hall. The mural became controversial within the city as people began to show anger and concern. Some called the painting graffiti and said it did not represent everyone who lived in the community. However, many others praised both the painting and the mural. Today, the mural was vandalized by a white man.

Watch this. Mario King Jonas right now. So Mario, what did he do? Did he sit here? He changed the white to black? That's what he did. He actually black on black. He made the fist blacker. He made it blacker.

But, you know, the problem is that I actually went down and explained to this individual what the fist actually meant. And it represents peace and equity and human rights, not black, just purely just all this, the things they like to say that we're racist, all that foolishness that we hear. That's a detractor. That's a detour from what this really is. But overall, this individual, he sat out there and he protested for two days. And then he came and waited in the early in morning, and he came and painted over it. And now his daughter, his family is calling us, begging us to protect him and all this type of stuff. And like I told him, when I went out there and painted Black Lives Matter out there, I painted out there to spark interest and a discussion that needed to be had.

But when he did that, they all of a sudden claiming that black people are harassing them. They're using their words that they always use to make black people feel uncomfortable and to scare people off. But this time it's not happening. But Roland, I'm going to tell you something here in Moss Point, Mississippi. We are 71 percent African-American and Black Lives Matter has always been a problem in the city of Mississippi. This individual, this sign was painted on Juneteenth. I did that for a reason to symbolize and so people can understand Juneteenth and what black people really are going through. And we did it all the next day with a march, followed by a march, followed by a peaceful protest, followed by educating them on all the things black. We did that. But the problem is, is when the flag was removed, thank you, Jesus, they removed that foolishness. But as soon as they removed that, it became a big issue. Everybody's mad again. And,

oh, this represents hate. This represents this. And they just try to detour us from what really needs to happen. But I've been listening to the discussion on your show earlier, and people are 100 percent right. And your panelists are right. We need leaders, mayors, to step up. You do not have to fly a Confederate symbol. You have the autonomy, and if you have a city manager, be a council. Step up and put a policy in place. Same

thing with legislatures, same thing with congressmen and congresswomen. Even if it doesn't pass, put the bill out there. Put the legislation out there. Put the policy out there. Stop waiting. And the only time the Democratic process is interfered with is when the public and the people that make up the

Democratic process are not happy. Well, we know, of course, the Confederate flag is now down in Mississippi because, guess what? It was black football players who said, no, we ain't playing. And then Mississippi, the SEC said, no championships in the't playing. And then Mississippi, the SEC said, no championships in the state.

Money talked in Mississippi. I do want to get your thoughts on this, and I'll bring my panel in as well. This was the exchange between Kayleigh McEnany, the press secretary for Trump, as well as Jonathan Karl of ABC News about Black Lives Matter. Watch this. Why is the president calling Black Lives Matter

a symbol of hate? Well, what the president was noting is that that symbol, when you look at some of the things that have been chanted by Black Lives Matter, like pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon, that's not an acceptable phrase to paint on our streets. Look, he agrees that all Black Lives Matter, including that of Officer David Dorn, Patrick Underwood, two officers whose lives were tragically taken amid these riots. All black lives do matter. He agrees with that sentiment. But what he doesn't agree with is an organization that chants pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon about our police officers, our valiant heroes who are out on the street protecting us each and every day. Americans of all races have protested in all 50 states around that phrase,

Black Lives Matter, and the president is here calling it a symbol of hate? He's talking about the organization. I would note to you that the greater New York BLM president has said, if this country doesn't give us what we want, that we will burn down the system, and I could be speaking literally. I'd call that a pretty hateful statement. Yes, Ben. He talked to me about the organization in his tweet.

He says the words. Yes, Ben. He says the words, Black Lives Matter. What's the name of the organization again? Black Lives Matter. There you go. You just answered my question. Go ahead, Ben.

All right, here's first of all, Mayor, Donald Trump and Kayleigh McEnany ain't got a damn clue what the hell Black Lives Matter is and you know the unfortunate part is is that most white people including the individual and like minded individuals like the one that painted over our beautiful mural in the street don't want to know

they are willfully ignorant and they are purposefully not trying to understand what this is all about and we cannot, black people do not be distracted by stupidity and willful ignorance of these people. It doesn't make sense. And that's all it is.

And leaders, step up, stand up. We need you more than ever right now, especially black leaders. But the problem is they don't want to know, Roland. They want to be ignorant. They want to act like it's a symbol of hate. They don't want to feel it. And look, this is the deal. I told them this, advance to the like it's a symbol of hate. They don't want to feel it. And look,

this is the deal. I told them this. Advance to the rear. We're okay with that. This change is happening, and we are not stopping. This momentum here that I have here in Moss Point, here in the state of Mississippi, we're going to keep pushing, and I'm going to keep galvanizing my people, white people and black people. We're going to keep bringing everybody to the table. We want to hear your voices because I want to identify the ones that we can't count on, but I want to make sure that we count the ones that we can. And we need to move forward. Here's why this is a joke, Tiffany. This is the actual chant. Listen to this. Disturbing turn. This from Minnesota. Watch.

Tiffany, that was five years ago. That was one one group of protesters, one group of protesters in Minneapolis. Who were I'm sorry. What did I just say? A group of protesters in Minneapolis. Where was George Floyd killed in Minneapolis? Wow. Look at that. Where was Flando Castile killed in In Minneapolis. Minneapolis. But the fact that one group of protesters in Minneapolis five years ago, now the entire

Black Lives Matter movement, they all believe this, sit the hell down. Here's my problem. My problem is, ironically, for the first time ever, I'm going to say Fox News got it right. And, Roland, I've known you for years and been on your show. I've never said this. But three days ago, Fox News actually put up the demands and they named the organization correctly.

To be clear, the movement for Black Lives is an organization. Black Lives Matter is the campaign, is the theme, is the people, is the hashtag. Fox News reported, and I have it right here. They said the Movement for Black Lives has 10 demands and then listed the demands correctly. Reparations, no bail, release all prisoners from jail, no death penalty. Free education. Free health care. Defund the police. Cut the military budget. Redistribution of wealth and publicly financed campaigns. So like the mayor said earlier, folks who don't want to know are going to continue to make up the lies that they want to believe in because they don't want to see it any other way. But the important thing is, if you have questions, we have this amazing tool that is available to everybody called Google. And all you got to do is Google moving for black lives and investigate on

their website. What are they actually calling and demanding for? And Fox News for the first time did that work and was able to clearly articulate what the demands are. I don't care what people were chanting five years ago. I don't care what the white people are chanting when they come out to the marches this year. What I care about is what are the stances, the agenda, and the leadership demanding and working on to get for our communities. And as long as Donald Trump continues to dog whistle our communities, we're going to continue to see this narrative of fake lies and fake news because he wants to win on November 3rd. And he's mad that he's not going to. And Mayor King, you have the Department of Homeland Security announcing they are sending rapid deployment teams across the country to protect Confederate statues.

Well, ain't that something? How about you actually protect black lives that are being lost? Not a bunch of stone, Mayor. They don't really care about us. Again, which is the reason that Tiffany, you said it, which is another reason for this movement. They're not trying to protect black people. They're not trying to change policy, but they're mad and they're trying to deflect on all the things that are happening. But we got to be stronger. We we must be more strong, stronger when it comes down to these policies. We must put meaningful and intentional policies in place. And we cannot allow racist, ignorant people to change the way we feel or to change the way we react. And so, again, like Tiffany, you you really killed me today.

I just want to say thank you, but it's important. It's so vital that we- I don't want to kill you. Hold on, black brother. I don't want to kill you. I want to make sure you're living and thriving and deliberating. I don't want to kill nobody.

Wait a minute, brother. Go ahead, Mr. President. It's a figure of speech. I love you. I don't want to kill my black kings. We're going to keep you here. Go ahead. But I appreciate that, Tiffany.

You're right. You got me living, baby. But I want to say this. They take down the Confederate flag here. There is so much more work to be done in Mississippi. There are Confederate statues down on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. There's still only one black mayor on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. Out of all the CEOs on the Gulf Coast, there's only one black one, and that's me, the mayor. There's not any...

We have so much work to do when it comes down to making sure that black lives actually matter here in the state of Mississippi. What's crazy is how openly stupid and how openly racist is what we're seeing. If you just go to my facebook page and just see the ignorance displayed by these white people and the threats that oh we got guns

we have this we're gonna kill him we're gonna do this we're gonna do that they're not trying you think any of them have protected me nobody but my police department but do you think anybody have called you think anybody have no they have you think anybody have? No. They have allowed these people to be ignorant. But today, today, we get a call from the sheriff's department about this one white man who's upset because he decided to come and vandalize a painting

that represented him and everybody else and he was too ignorant to even see that. So, it's so crazy what we see. His daughter, she called today and you know what they're doing in Mississippi now? They have, I got emails, I have Facebook posts. They want to remove Martin Luther King's name from all of the streets in the state of Mississippi. You know, they have a petition going around.

This is the type of stupidity that we're experiencing here on the ground in Mississippi since the Confederate statue. They're talking about the mega Everest monument, burning down the house. All of these types of things are the things that are now being displayed and are actually being showcased on social media and the news. But you don't hear them talking about protecting mega Everest house. You don't see them putting more security out there, but they want to put more security around the Confederate statue. I wish they would try to do some foolishness like that on this coast.

Well, I'm the mayor because I promise you you think that y'all have seen the movement it will be one greater than you've ever seen because i'm a mayor that's gonna speak up and i'm a mayor that don't have an administrator i am the manager so i will make sure that we don't have foolishness like that i'm not afraid of this stuff and i think we need more leaders leadership is poor and these people are list... Every time Donald Trump says something stupid like Black Lives Matter is a symbol of hate, you give these idiots a platform to try to speak up and speak out,

and they're stupid right behind them. They're following this idiot. Right. And that's not right. Robert, Robert, here's the deal, Robert. Robert, here's the deal here. Donald Trump only has one card to play. It's not the economy. He can't do that. Axios, which, you know, okay. They, they out with a report saying that he regrets following Jared

Kushner and getting criminal justice reform because that's not going to get him any more votes. Donald Trump, his only card to play is white racial resentment. Well, you know, it's a tough spot to be in if you're the progressives within the Republican movement or even the moderates who want to get things done because as President Trump has gone along, all of that African-American outreach has not worked. The same people who were at the Black People for Trump event five years ago were the same ones who were in Tulsa. The idea of getting more females on board, Ivanka Trump leading that campaign, that didn't work.

The idea of getting more Latinos on board, that hasn't worked. Running on the economy has just fallen from under him because we realized that, guess what, the president does not control the economy. Outside events do. And the stock market has nothing to do with how average Americans live. The stock market is hitting a record this week, while nearly 50 million people are unemployed. So the president, I think, is falling to his most nativist instincts, keeping Stephen Miller around, that Steve Bannon part of the party that can only lead

him to a place where we are arguing about Confederate statues instead of the unemployment rate. Lauren, I just, again, watching this at play, I'm just sort of laughing at these people because, and I've been saying this for years, white fear, they cannot handle what's going on. It's driving them crazy, Lauren. Yeah. That's by the idea that they don't know what it means to deface something that says Black Lives Matter.

The president doesn't really understand what he's doing. It's like the Drew Brees thing. Drew Brees knew what the phrase Black Lives Matter meant. They knew that that whole ridiculousness about saying that you were attacking our military somehow had something to do with Colin Kaepernick kneeling. They know exactly what it means. The real statement here is that the fact that we are centering African Americans is bothersome to them

says all you need to know about American history for the last 400 years. The fact that it is an outrageous statement to make that black lives, in fact, matter. The fact that it was painted in front of Trump Tower in Manhattan. And the fact that the president equates that with some sort of a problem or some sort of a, you know, something wrong with centering black lives and saying they actually matter says it all. And they understand exactly what it means. That's exactly the problem. And I love the fact that Jonathan Karl was able to say at the White House that, you know, not only is it strange

that the president is saying that, but the fact that the demonstrations that we're seeing are not just African Americans. It's other Americans as well. It's a diverse coalition out there. And of course, they can't get around that. That's even a tougher nut to crack because their cynical assumption, of course, is that everybody is racist like they are. Everybody tends to think that you think as I do. And Donald Trump has that mentality. And that's why he's going to lose in November. Well, again, and we talk about what's happening.

It's been the last question for the mayor. I'm going to play this first. What's happening right now, this Lincoln Project ad speaks to it because it's those white independents that they are freaking out about who are fleeing them because, especially those white educated voters. So we look at what's happening with this confederate flag in mississippi and these statues that's what's getting to them go ahead and play that folks on sunday june 28 2020 the mississippi state legislature voted to take down the confederate battle flag a day many thought would never come. But Donald Trump had a different vision of America. That was the message the President of

the United States shared with millions. On a day when the heart of the Confederacy finally lowered its flag, Donald Trump was still fighting the Civil War. You will not replace us! America is better than Donald Trump. We want to move forward, together. This November, say no to Donald Trump's racist anger and division. Say yes to a good man who can help us heal. Mayor, that ad,

that's not targeting Black people. That's for white, independent voters who went for Trump, especially the college-educated voters in 2016. I agree. Look, I got three things I want to say about all of this as it relates to me as an elected official and my counterparts. The first thing is elected officials need to do what they supposed to do and not all the time what people want them to do. And that might not be making popular decisions, but it's the decision of equity for everyone that share in the same benefits that

they need, which is public service, public safety, and so on and so on. The other piece of this, I want us to stop saying that we don't have no other choice but to vote for Trump. No, I'm about to vote for Biden. The thing is, voting right now, we need to make the best choice. Donald Trump is the worst choice that we could ever make on November 3rd. And so we're not voting for Joe Biden or writing our name in, whatever you want to do, because that is the only choice we have. We're making the right choice. So we need to stop discounting the fact that we're voting for someone because of whatever. And the last thing is, you are right.

These campaigns are targeting educated white people. But we cannot continue to discount the black vote either. We've got to make sure that we're still incorporating the black vote in all that we do. But we do need to make sure that we're getting those independents and we need to make sure that, because some, even Republicans are even on the fence for what

they're going to do. But remember, last time we thought that we had the race in the bag that Donald Trump would not win, we had all these solid people come out and support us. So you best to believe that there's going to be a whole lot of that happening too. So we got to make sure that we're changing people's hearts and their energy and make sure that they're making the right choice. And so we can't keep saying and deflecting ourselves and saying, hey, we're just voting for him because he's the only choice that's

out there. We need to make the best choice and the right choice, which is not Donald Trump. And we need to be, as elected officials, we need to step up and we need to do the right thing in our community, especially surrounding symbols of hate and issues of hate and not be afraid. And I agree with you too. Again, Tiffany, when it comes down to policing and those types of things, I have a really good relationship with my police chief, but it doesn't mean, I'm going to be very clear, he knows how I feel, and he knows that I'll go against him, and he knows that I'll be real and straight up with him, no matter what.

And it's the same thing in our fire department. All right. That's it. Mayor Mario King, we sure appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank y'all. Have a good night. This is, I mean, bottom line is what we're dealing right here,

dealing with here, Lauren, is line is what we're dealing right here, dealing with here. Lauren, is that is he's absolutely right. First of all, I don't believe anything is in the bag. I don't care about any of these polls. I saw the latest poll that came out from public policy showing, you know, Donald Trump down in a number of these places. I keep telling people means nothing to me, means nothing to me. My assumption is that Joe Biden is down. At the end of the day, mobilize, organize, register, vote to get this man out. Because again, you see 200 federal judges, Republicans have confirmed. That is 25%, Lauren, of all federal judges in America. Right. And I do think that, you know, there's obviously a lot of things that will be changing, I think, after next January. Not only the judicial shifts, but I do think the Senate is going to be in play.

It's not that I think that Joe Biden is, you know, it's just definitely just going to happen. It's not going to happen. Obviously, he has to do all the things that you have to do in any other election. It's going to be a little bit different, though, because I do think the ground game considerations are different when you have the COVID. You're not going to have the door knocking. You're not going to have a lot of the in-person that we used to have. But I cannot imagine. We're seeing sort of the signs already that the people who voted for Trump in 2016 are definitely having buyer's remorse. And that that is a key aspect of why I think he is going to lose not so much the polls, but just when everybody starts checking in with the folks that actually voted for him. And you factor that in with the fact that, frankly, Hillary Clinton, I thought, again, was a lousy candidate and still got three million more votes than he did. So it would be hard for me to believe that we could be sitting here with 120,000 people

dead because this idiot could not read his intelligence back in February and people would still vote him into office after 40 million people have filed for unemployment. Of course, anything is possible, but I just find that hard to believe. Not only that, Robert. I mean, folks, go to my iPad. This is the change poll. CNBC poll just dropped. Arizona, Biden 51, Trump 44. Florida, Biden 50, Trump 45. Wisconsin, Biden 51, Trump 43. Pennsylvania, Biden 50, Trump 44. Michigan Michigan Biden 48, Trump 43. North Carolina Biden 51, Trump 44. This is the 1st of July. At the end of the day, I still say, doesn't matter. The reality is, according to polls show, it's tight in Texas. They're tight in Georgia as well.

Look, at the end of the day, I'm like my man and remember the Titans. Herman, leave no doubt. Look, Roland, we have to understand that Joe Biden has very little to do with this race. He hasn't campaigned really. He hasn't really left the basement in months and he's winning by double digits in many polls. This is going to be a referendum on the incumbent. If next month or in September coronavirus mysteriously disappears off the face of the earth. We rebound with a job surge of 50 million people get rehired in our economy. Suddenly, we get a new trade deal with China. We get a nuclear deal with Iran and a climate deal all before the November elections. Then President Trump will indeed win reelection. But it all comes down to how

he is able to handle these crises. Presidents are judged not on their best day, but on their worst day. Nobody says Herbert Hoover would have been a great president if it wasn't for the Great Depression or that George Bush, if not for 9-11, would have done a great job. So President Trump has to run for better or for worse on how he handles these current crises. And so far, he does not seem to have been up to the job. Paul and Tiffany, what you're looking at again is his response. He wants to call Black Lives Matter a hate symbol. Come on. Feel free. And we're going to hate you right out of office. No problem. There's something that we need to always remember, not just about Donald Trump, but about how white supremacy works across our timeline in America. Anything that has had to do with black people has been dirty, has been hateful, has been negative. And when we think about the work that Black Lives Matter has done to advance a conversation that was a continuum from the civil rights movement up until now. It is about liberation. It is about freedom and ending all oppression on people of color. And anything that challenges or comes against white supremacy or white power or white idolizing of statues, Donald Trump is going to speak out against because he's trying to save and protect his audience. So I am counting

on not just young people, but I'm counting on people who look like me, my black community. I'm counting on the Latinx community. I'm counting on queer people of color. I am counting on the folks who are middle class. And I'm counting on all the educated folks and not educated folks to come out and make the best choices, not the right choice, not the only choice, but the best choice for our community, because so much is at stake for our future. here. This report about the Russians taking out bounties against American troops. This is the guy who is just all constantly praise, praise, praise the troops. Let me tell you something. Americans, Lauren, are very sensitive when it comes to stories along those lines. When you talk about American troops and then how the White House is constantly lied. He says it didn't exist. Bolton said, I told him personally.

Now he's got the DOD saying, well, no, we really haven't confirmed that whole deal. Here's another Lincoln Project ad. And I'm telling you, when you start picking off veterans and you start picking off folks in the military now and again, and those vets, it plays a role if it gives the impression he doesn't care about our troops. Watch this. И не от вашего конгрессмена Пола Райана. И не от кого-то из ваших сенаторов-республиканцев, представителей или губернаторов. Нет, самое важное одобрение Дональд Трамп получил в 2016 году от нашего великого вождя Владимира Путина. Наши спецслужбы работали сверхурочно, чтобы избрать товарища Травлера. Мы вели войну против так называемой правды, которую вы, закрывающие американцы, распускали про нашего товарища. Мы манипулировали вашими избирателями, распространяли нашу славную пропаганду.

И вас, американских собак, на травлю друг на друга. Компания товарища Трампа мудро приняла нашу помощь. Теперь наш мудрый и сильный лидер Владимир Путин еще раз выбрал себе американского союзника Дональда Трампа. American ally Donald Trump. Once again, and comrade Trump, with the joy of seeing the help of Mother Russia. Once again, congratulations, comrade Trump. Russia is giving you strength and friendship. Damn, Laura, I wish the Democrats were that good. No, well, they're not. and friendship. But the Lincoln Project is just off the chain.

They'll continue to be off the chain because, in fact, the president is giving them their material. They don't really have to do anything except tell the story of exactly what he's doing to make these ads. That's what's so incredible about it. And, you know, the president, he runs the same script of lying every time something happens. I wasn't briefed. I didn't know anything about it. I don't know what you're talking about. And then everybody in his administration comes out and says, actually, yeah,

other than whatever her name is, the spokeswoman. And he's just a liar. He's just a pathologist. And for some reason, he thinks everybody is stupid. He can just tell us anything, and we're just going to go for it. And the shtick got old from the very beginning. It's getting real old now that you're nearing 130,000, you know, deaths.

He never knows anything about anything. You know, everything's a big mystery, but you're right about the military aspect. We have several States, Virginia, South Carolina, Florida, Texas, uh, where military service is a very big deal. And I can assure you the people are extremely focused on this moment. Robert, here's an ad put out by VoteVets. Again, a veterans organization. They represent millions of veterans. Watch this. He shakes his hand.

An American dies. They pal around. Another roadside attack. Putin pays bounties to Taliban enemies to kill American soldiers, and not a word from Donald Trump. Intelligence reports on his desk. He says nothing to his Russian master,

takes no action to protect us. Who is the enemy? If you're going to act like a traitor, you don't get to thank us for our service. He shakes his hand. Damn, Robert. Well, look, I think we're going to see, because of the deficiencies in the Biden's campaign ability to raise money and the lack of war chest that they are going to this general election,

I think we're going to see more spending from outside groups of this nature, which are going to be far more free to put messaging out that maybe the campaign does not want to have its fingerprints upon. Remember, for these issue ads, it really is just up to whoever is funding it to determine what the content is as long as you are within FEC guidelines. So what I would like to also find out is how many of these firms that are doing these outside ads for Democratic groups are hiring Black-owned firms? What's your supply chain looking like?

How many Black engineers do you have working there? How many people within your filming crew, your editing crew, are African-American? Because if we are going to really be part of this party, we also have to be part of the economics

of this party. Oh, I agree. All I want is, I want hashtag FireTrump in November. to really be part of this party we also have to be part of the economics of this party oh i agree all i want is i want it i want hashtag fire trump in november i've been using that folks watching y'all are more than happy to use hashtag fire trump in november now we're gonna go to a break when we come back we're gonna talk about oh a bunch of ad companies are firing facebook 350 companies many others are now at it today who are pulling their money out of facebook they're saying about, oh, a bunch of ad companies are firing Facebook. 350 companies. Many others are now at it today who are pulling their money out of Facebook.

They're saying, Mark Zuckerberg, you've been ignoring us. I bet you'd get our attention now. Coming up next, we're talking to Rashad Robinson, who leads Color of Change, about this campaign. Also, we'll talk about, what's up, crazy-ass white people? What's up with these Karens throwing the food out of their grocery carts because they mad about a mask? Really?

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Mmm. They letting them know, folks, when you got to hit hard, that's what you have to do. That's what the folks over at Color Change has been doing and other civil rights groups when it comes to Facebook. Facebook has lost more than 350 sponsors from advertisers from their platform because of their unwillingness to really confront racist language and other things on their particular platform. This Stop Hate for Profit campaign has really been picking up steam. Facebook's

barrage of advertising, which accounted for more than 98 percent of the company's nearly 70 percent, 70 billion dollars in revenue last year. That's how that's how you get Mark Zuckerberg's attention to address the effects of that hateful language on the platform. Rashad Robinson is with the president of Color of Change. They have been leading this effort, working alongside other civil rights groups as well. Rashad, give people an understanding. We've had you on before. We've talked about this with Facebook as well. We've had you on before. I mean, how long have y'all been at this, trying to get Mark Zuckerberg, Sheryl Sandberg, and the leadership of Facebook to do what's right to address this racial hatred, voter suppression,

things along those lines on this platform? It's been a little over five years now and back and forth with Facebook leadership. It started when we found out about all the ways in which their platform was targeting Black Lives Matter activists. I'm allowing for people to show up at folks' homes and not hold them accountable.

The ways in which warrantless searches were allowed. The Facebook Live being turned off of Corrine Gaines, a woman in Baltimore that was having an interaction with police. Her Facebook Live was turned off because law enforcement called and asked it for it to be turned off. And, you know, minutes later, she ends up dead and no video to show for it. And so we've had a lot of back and forth with Facebook. A couple of years ago, it was revealed by The New York Times that Facebook had hired a PR firm called Definers to attack us and to launch. No, hold on. Hold on. When you say attack us, they specifically attack color of change, specifically attacked color of Change. Specifically attacked Color of Change. I am like, literally, I'm in the back of a car

going to a meeting in D.C., calling, making phone calls, trying to, like, I'm running late, and my staff is texting me. They're like, you need to read this New York Times piece. And in between me getting into the New York Times piece, the New York Times calls me to ask me for comment because they got the piece up before they asked us for comment because they didn't want to be scooped. And the scoop was that they had hired a PR firm to basically run a negative campaign behind the scenes on Color of Change while

we were at the table trying to get them to do things. And while Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg were saying that they were committed to civil rights, they were like launching a campaign against a civil rights group. And, you know, that ended up with changing the dynamics. We no longer had to meet sort of with lower level staff alone. We ended up only at that point, I said, I want to meet with Mark and Cheryl. And we started meeting with Mark and Cheryl. We got them to publicly announce their civil rights audit and put that out in public. And then we started to get them to implement what we thought were policy changes. We got Sheryl Sandberg. We brought her to Atlanta, where Color of Change hosted an event where we brought leaders in the community to talk about their experiences with hate on social media platforms and to have Sheryl sit there with

other staff and talk about it. But that same day that Sheryl came to Atlanta, Facebook announces that they're going to exempt politicians from their rules around voter suppression and around hate speech. So basically exempting the most powerful forces in the world from actually having to be accountable for the same rules as everyone else and exempting Donald Trump. And so the last meeting I had with Mark and Sheryl

was June 1st, where, you know, we sat on a Zoom. Cheryl and I, the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and Benita Gupta of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights were the other two leaders in there. And we talked with them. And I sort of ended the meeting by just looking at Mark because I was sort of the last person to speak from our sort of side. And I said, what are we doing here? Why do we keep coming to the I said, I don't even know why I keep coming to these meetings with you all. If I continue to get gaslit about the problems, I just don't think you all get it. And I need a sign that you get it because I am going to pivot. I'm going to pivot leading out of this. And when we left the meeting, I pivoted in my messaging. I said that Mark didn't

get civil rights. He didn't have any understanding of it. He wasn't interested in having understanding of it. He was interested in growth and he was interested in profit and he was interested in staying out of the sort of kind of lens of Donald Trump shooters statement that Donald Trump made about shooting protesters and harming protesters that Twitter suppressed, Mark Zuckerberg left it up. And the thing I will end right here is that he left it up after he called Donald Trump and had a conversation with him about it, and then left up that post, and then got on the phone with us on a Zoom and tried to explain why he didn't violate his policies. And when I asked Mark Zuckerberg, well, what could Donald Trump have said that would have violated your policy? And he couldn't tell me. And so we left that meeting and we started looking at what what what was the way that we go after their money. same time, groups like ADL, groups like the NAACP, groups like Sleeping Giants were also all looking at different sort of forms of going after their advertisers. And as you know, this is one of the

things that color changed as well. And we all got together and we launched this campaign. And it's getting a lot of traction and a lot of conversations with advertisers. And it's taking a serving a hit to the actual stock prices which i think is the bigger sort of thing here and look let's just cut to the chase if you want to impact anything in america it's money yeah simple as that if you want to get their attention it's money y'all hailed off for the longest and now you're getting their attention uh their stock lost how much value over the weekend? Some $50 billion?

Yeah. I mean, Mark Zuckerberg went from the third richest person in the world to the fourth richest person in the world, you know, in a weekend. And him personally. And then, you know, yeah, upwards of $50 billion. We're seeing, you know, you said 350 advertisers. NPR is reporting over 400. I just got off a call with a coalition where we think it's closer to 600 advertisers, but it's been really hard to fully track.

And we're working with some folks that are now sort of helping us dig in deeper because we've been so focused at, you know, driving the message and also dealing with the back and forth with Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg, well, Sheryl reached out for a meeting and we sort of let them know that we are happy to meet, but Mark needs to be in the meeting. And we're going to meet with Mark and Sheryl next week, early next week, and to have a conversation about next steps. They reached out for that meeting, not us. And so we re-upped the set of demands that we have for Facebook to say that this is what we actually want to talk about in this meeting. So if you want to meet with us, happy to do it. But these demands haven't changed.

And so what are you going to do? And we're talking about here is again, and so look, y'all have been very judicious in your actions. Now, to me, this is where you go full bore. And I think this thing also goes beyond this. Look, we've talked about this here. I reached out to them when Facebook announced these 20 new shows they were funding, not a single black media show. Facebook, they announced a couple of weeks ago, some $200 million fund for black businesses, 25 million of that for black content

creators. I'm sorry, that's not enough. YouTube announced a $100 million black content creators fund. I mean, the reality is that Facebook has to do far more. Black folks have been significant on their platforms. You know, we've sitting here, we've been, I got the emails going back since we launched this show September 4th, 2018. We noticed how our audience members on Facebook were not getting their alerts, their live notifications. We have been battling with them for almost two years. I was on a call yesterday saying the exact same thing. I said, we know we're getting this because our users are telling us.

What happened to my live notifications? Why am I not receiving a notice when we go live? Why? Because they're trying to force us to pay to boost to people who already follow me. And so these are the games they're playing and I'm sorry. Okay. Enough with playing around. And not only that, we've been battling with them because their demonetization policy is nuts because you get flagged for somebody claims you're using a video of theirs as a copyright violation, but they don't tell you what the video is. So we've had record growth in the last two months on the platform, and we have literally had negative 100 percent revenue. And I made it clear to Facebook, if you don't change this, I will pull all of my content off your platform and will only go to YouTube if that's how y'all want to roll.

I mean, look, at every turn they gaslight us. They, you know, they in the early days they treated us like I didn't have a research team, like I didn't have expertise in this work. I mean, I don't know where they thought we came from with some of our our demands were always clear. They were sort of rooted in like the law and demands and civil rights, but you know, now they just gaslight us. And so, you know, right now their policy director, Nick Clegg, who, you know, I've had to explain over and over again, while, you know, while, you know, defending and standing up against hate targeting towards black people, you don't have to go and do something for conservatives. There's not, it's not an equivalent.

There's right and left, but there's also right and wrong. And civil rights is rooted in right and wrong, not in like a partisan framework. But you know, one of the things that they're going around saying right now is just another example of the gaslighting is that they pull down 90% of the hate content. And they've said it over and over again,

90% of the hate content. And they've said it over and over again, 90% of the hate content. But what they actually do is that they are pulling down 90% of the hate content that their artificial intelligence catches. And that's, but they won't submit their artificial intelligence to a third party review. So we actually don't know how much they're actually catching but they use these sort of lines

because they think that we're not paying attention. And they think that like, you know, we're going to bed early and not actually reading all the fine details. During the early days of the COVID crisis, when I got on the phone with Cheryl and talked to her specifically about all the ways in which disinformation was hitting the black community around COVID on Facebook, from the disease wouldn't hurt us and we couldn't get the disease to the ways that lupus drugs could cure the disease and lupus drugs were flying off the shelves, impacting black women who disproportionately have lupus. And I had a phone call with her and I was walking through these problems and she said,

we're putting a lot of people on this. And I pushed her again around the fact that their content their human content moderators were not being fully paid the living wage they should they were giving horrible uh working conditions and because of covet they were all sent home and couldn't actually do their jobs and i said you have to do something about this and she said you know we're really decreasing you know we really had to decrease some of the the sort of folks that are in the safety and trust division, Rashad, because of COVID. But we're focusing on hate speech and we're focusing on medical misinformation. So, you know, we might miss some other things, but we're focusing on those things.

And, you know, what if GM said to us, you know, we're working really hard. We may not catch as many seatbelts, but, you know, we're working really hard. We may not catch as many seatbelts, but, you know, we're working really hard during the COVID crisis. We have to reduce our safety and trust. We would not think that was OK. And I want to say that the hate violence on Facebook's platform is literally life and death. We have seen how it has spread, how it has animated the worst aspects of our society. The fact that they just pulled down the Facebook pages for the Boogaloo Boys just the other day after ADL and other groups gave them that content weeks and weeks ago is a result that they're only responding, as you said, to money.

And we're going to keep pushing them. Well, in fact, I'm sitting here now. Anthony, can you go to my phone, please? Do you see it? I've got it right here. I've got Nikesha says, I don't get all of my notifications. I've got somebody else who's saying, didn't get mine today. I've got others. Now I know why I'm not receiving my notifications. I keep having to hit notifications, all this sort of stuff, because, again, we know what's going on.

The reason we busted them is because Kenan White, my digital guy, who actually presses the start button when we go live, he did not get a live notification. And he was like, wait a minute, I'm not getting one. And we have been telling him, and I got an email back from Mark Lucky saying that, yeah, there's a bug in our system where where this was i was told high traffic this has happened to high traffic accounts and and what that is and what what what he basically was saying of course you know he later

left facebook in a blaze what he basically was saying is yes they're forcing so i got a million followers on facebook they want to force me to spin ads to boost to my people who already follow me for them to watch. That's the game. Yeah, I mean, they want my nonprofit to do the same thing. If I want all of my people to see things, I have to actually spend money on Facebook even after people say that they follow us. And this is how Facebook is like treating all of us the same. I said, you know, during the height of the COVID, I said, we're just trying to put out information to fight against the disinformation. And you're making me pay to fight against the disinformation that's traveling on your platform, Facebook.

And they're like, well, we're going to figure this out. And then they always say they're going to figure something out, and then they never get back to us and figure it out. Questions from my panel. First, I'll start with Robert Petillo. And what do you think average people who want to get involved and want to help, what can they do? How can they find out more information about the issue,

and how can they help make the change? So they can go to colorofchange.org. They can go to stophateforprofit.org. Those are both platforms where a lot of this information sort of lives. They can share the content information. We need more corporations to see this out in the world. We specifically haven't asked users to sign off Facebook because this is the interesting thing about how monopolies work, is that Facebook has 2.6 billion users. That's more followers than Christianity. traffic, even because how they share the type of traffic that's on their platform. It's not that the strategy of asking users to sign off doesn't actually get us to the type of kind of short term, immediate or long term. No, it's the money.

It's the money. Yeah. Yep. It's about money. It's the money. It's about money. So right now we need more people speaking up. When you see a corporate brand that you like that has stood with this campaign, send them a note. Let them know that they are hearing from

folks and that they're getting the extra sort of visibility of signing on in this moment, you know, and taking down their ads from a platform that has been given, as I said, every chance over the last five years. Like, this is not the campaign I want to be running right now. There's a lot of other campaigns. I'd love to just be reaching the people that follow us on Facebook and giving them all sorts of things they can do on policing and criminal justice. And we are doing that work as well. But we've also got to recognize that Facebook poses an incredible threat

to this upcoming election because of all the policies and practices on their platform and all the ways that they impacted the 2016 election. And so I am just in every way, shape and form, focused on making sure that they do not allow the same things to sort of spread on their platform that sow disinformation and misinformation and suppress the black vote. Tiffany. Hey, Rashad, it's good to see you. The NAACP, of course, is also a part of this campaign. Rashad, I wonder two things. One, we know that Facebook and Instagram are very close and tied together. Obviously, one owns the other. And so in this upcoming meeting, do you see or think that anything will come out of both of the platforms, not just Facebook, as we know that a lot of millennials and Generation Zers use Instagram.

And then secondarily, I agree with you 100 percent. This is not the campaign we want to be running. But outside of the ads, what are other things that Facebook needs to do and fix for this moment past the elections so that your organization, the NAACP's organization, can continue to do really important work? Yeah, no, that's such an important question. And, you know, over the last couple of weeks, I've spent more good time with Derek than I have in a while. And NAACP has been so critical to so much of this.

And Derek and I were at that dinner at Mark Zuckerberg's house where I challenged him on the Daily Caller, being listed as a trusted fact checker by Facebook. And Mark tried to explain to me why that should be the case. So there's a number of policies that sort of relate to that, Tiffany. And so a couple. One is that there is no civil rights expertise at Facebook at the highest levels. And they need a C-suite level civil rights expertise to evaluate new products and new packages. Recently, Facebook just came out with a policy that said that they wouldn't allow sort of anti-immigrant voter suppression at the polls. And what they said was that you can't post a statement on Facebook that says that ICE will be at the polling places. And they actually said ICE, right? They made that very clear. So anyone who understands and has a history of working in civil

rights or fighting voter suppression knows that the folks who are trying to suppress our votes will look at that and say, okay, great. Thank you for letting me know that all I have to say is federal authorities. I don't have to say ICE. And it doesn't violate your policy. But Facebook actually has just no idea how this works. And they have the ability to control it all. So there's civil rights expertise. There is the ability for advertisers to know if their ads have shown up next to content that's had to be pulled down, and then to be able to get a notice of that and have their money returned, and for the public to know if they've clicked on ads that have violated the policy.

And that type of transparency, we think, will create a longer-term behavior change. We actually need to end the exemption for politicians on the Facebook platform so politicians no longer can post voter suppression ads, post hate ads and get away with it. the Boogaloo Boys and the Proud Boys not only have had platforms on Facebook, but actually they've been invited to open up pages and close groups on the platform because of how the system works and how it's incentivized to add more and more pages regardless of who has those pages. So, you know, on the sort of platform, there are a list of these sort of larger demands. Those are some of the bigger ones that color of change that we've been socializing for quite some time, along with civil rights groups like the NAACP, like the NAACP LDF, like the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights and others, and really trying to build

this sort of long-term energy to force Facebook to live up to even the rules that are currently on the books. Lauren, final question. What's the status, Rashad, of this discussion around breaking them up as a monopoly in Congress? I lost track. Yeah, so there is no real conversation around that happening until we change what Congress and the White House looks like. You know, part of this challenge right now that we're having with Facebook is absolutely related. I'm so glad you asked that question, because part of this is related to the ways in which Donald Trump, the ultimate dealmaker, those folks that will use any type of unethical

sort of engagement to get his way, is holding this idea of executive order or threat over Zuckerberg's head to get him to sort of do the things that he wants him to do, right? Mark Zuckerberg calls Donald Trump before he decides not to pull down the looters and shooters post targeted at protesters and doesn't call or talk to anyone in the civil rights community. There is two tracks around regulation. One relates to a kind of breaking up of Facebook. Facebook controls about 73 percent of the messenger market. If you look at Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp and Instagram and you're right to bring up Instagram, Tiffany, and that Instagram is a problem. It

doesn't represent the same level of problem because the platform operates different. But in many ways, it's controlled by the same set of incentives that drives profit and growth over everything else. And so the folks calling for breaking it up, like Elizabeth Warren and others, are really speaking to all the ways in which it has prevented any type of competition. It's singular in that way. There's another conversation, right, that relates to not just the breaking up idea, but what does Facebook sort of represent as a utility? Similar to phone and internet and things that are now sort of part of sort of our day-to-day habits and were built because of American ingenuity,

because of our taxes, because of how we've educated people in this country, because of all the ways in which systems operate. And it is a utility. It doesn't mean that the folks behind it shouldn't have money, it shouldn't profit from it, but the rules need to sort of be dictated in a very different way. Right now, Facebook kind of likes to think of itself as a public square. But it's a public square that's controlled by a private person. Mark Zuckerberg has 60 percent of his chairs, shares and his chairperson and CEO. When I spoke at the share the shareholders meeting, I guess two or weeks ago now, and talked about the lack of

diversity and civil rights expertise. And I went there to advocate sort of after Ken Chenault and other folks have left their board to advocate for them to have civil rights expertise on the board. I knew going into that board meeting that the resolution had failed because Mark Zuckerberg has 60 percent of the shares. And so does it really matter? Mark does. Mark can't fire him. Mark can fire is the only person that can fire himself. And he's the only person that can sort of change these policies. The only other folks that can change this is our government. And to put the type of rules and regulations they did when other corporations during a different era in this country got too big for their own good and created all sorts of harm in our democracy and our economy.

Rashad Robertson, Color Chain, certainly keep it up. Let us know what's going on. We'll keep covering the story to the end. Thanks for having me. Appreciate you. All right. Thank you so very much, folks. This is, again, what we are seeing. Again, and Tiffany, I want you to speak to this here because I know you're about to go.

This is what I keep trying to explain to people. One, when people yell boycott, you better be organized. You better have infrastructure. You better have it together. What we're seeing here, this particular boycott, Tiffany, the reason it is successful is because it was well thought out. It was well executed. But I love people who love to criticize civil rights groups and the NAACP and the Urban League. And I can go on and on and on. But that's why organized infrastructure matters in moments like this. Organized infrastructure matters, absolutely.

And discipline matters. The people who are making these decisions and moving in coalition with each other, like Rashad just mentioned with the Leadership Conference and the NAACP, National Action Network, et cetera, those folks have relationships already with each other and are moving in a disciplined manner. It is also really important for us to talk about not just the discipline, but also the power mapping, right?

Unless we understand how power works, this boycott wouldn't work. Folks boycott certain things and then don't have a power analysis about how it's going to help change and get to the solutions and the demands that people are asking for. So unless we do the discipline,

the power mapping, and then the strategic effort of a boycott, it does not work together. I'm excited that folks call for boycotts because they get upset about things. But I do want us to think more strategically about the choices that we make and how the boycott can aid to the effort of moving power to get what we want. And this is a perfect example of that. I am very much looking forward to that next meeting. And I'm also very much looking forward to what that looks like to have civil rights in the C-suite of Facebook so that it never happens again. Tiffany Lofton, NAACP, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thanks for the advice. Thanks a lot. We're going to break. We come back. We're going to talk PPP loans

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with more than $130 billion in unused funds. Now, the program was created to assist small businesses with loans to prevent owners from shutting their business down as well as to help keep their employees. Now, folks, here's the issue. 60% of black businesses have not even applied for PPP loans. Look, I know folks out there, you don't think you may qualify and make the effort to do so. We've got to ensure that our black businesses are there.

I want to bring in my guest right now. It's Ashley, Ashley Harrington. You there? I am. Thanks for having me. Glad to be here. So, again, we're trying to get folks to understand why this matters. It absolutely matters.

I think the most startling statistic, more than that 60 percent of black business owners haven't applied, is that 41 percent active black is 41 percent. Active black business owners have declined by 41 percent since the start of the crisis. These are businesses that have shut down. Some may never reopen. That will have a tremendous impact on not just these individuals, but their entire communities. We know how much black businesses mean to our communities and neighborhoods. So what are we seeing? What's the issue? Is it the fear of the paperwork? I mean, what's the block? There are a lot of blocks. And, you know, actually we advocated, you know, we think an extension is good, but it's a bandaid, right? There are many structural issues with the program. I think the most one that you notice right off bat, right, is that you have to go through a

financial institution just to get the loan. And we know how hard it is to be served by mainstream financial institutions if you're a person of color. So you have people who have bank accounts, have had them for years, but because they didn't have a commercial lending relationship, their bank told them they didn't have a commercial lending relationship, their bank told them they couldn't even give them a loan. So they were just shut out at some different stages of the process. You had issues with community development

financial institutions, CDFIs, and minority depository institutions, which are the ones that best serve our communities, not even being able to be lenders during the first round of the program. Many of them couldn't even participate. There's been a number of barriers. There's the fact that when you look at what Black-owned businesses really look like, 95% of them are sole proprietors or non-employer businesses, meaning they only have

the owner as their employee. Otherwise, they may have contractors or things like that. So if you have a program that's called the Payroll Protection Program, and you are incentivizing financial institutions to do these loans, and you're doing that by giving them an origination fee based on the size of the loan, but the size of the loan is based on the size of the payroll, and black-owned businesses are more likely to have a payroll of one, how is a bank incentivized to work with these smaller, really small businesses? And also, the way the rules were written, part of the problem is that as an employer, as an employer, I could not submit folks who are 1099s. And so I actually have 10 people, but four of my people are only full time. The other folks are 1099s.

And so a lot of black businesses have 1099s for for a reason. And so the way the law was written is that the employees who are with me who have a 1099, they can apply as individuals as opposed to me as the business applying and being able to show a document that they are actually 1099 employees. Absolutely. That's a change you've advocated for. And that means both you and them need a much smaller loan and the banks are going to have to get a much smaller origination fee. And if you ask any lending institution, Roland, it costs the same amount of money to originate a $1,000 loan versus a million dollar loan. Oh, no, it actually, it took us,

so the request that we initially submitted for the PPP was around $158,000, okay? Then when we went through the whole deal, because of the wiping off 1099s, that went down thirty eight thousand. Mm hmm. Yep. Because and that's and that's the reality. You're right. That's so many black business owners are facing. That's just the nature of the businesses that are in our communities. And it doesn't mean they're not just as important.

They contribute over, you know, billions of dollars a year into the economy. So we need to be thinking about a program that works for all businesses, not just some businesses. And those are some of the structural issues we saw with the program. I think you're the perfect example. Oh, absolutely. And so again, until August 8th, where should these Black-owned businesses be reaching out to for help if they don't know how to navigate all of this? They should definitely be reaching out to MDIs and CDFIs. There are a number of them that are going to be still continuing to take applications. There's some information also on the SBA website, but I would start with CDFIs and MDIs. They have the best track record of serving businesses of color and communities of color.

Ashley Arison, she, of course, Federal Advocacy Director for the Center for Responsible Lending. We certainly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Thank you. All right. Y'all know what time it is. I'm white. I got you, Carl. What is it? I don't have any information. My property. Whoa! Hey! Give me your ID. I don't have any information. Whoa!

Hey! You don't live here. I'm uncomfortable. Lord have mercy, y'all. Look, these white folks who don't want to wear a mask are absolutely cracking me up, and they're just losing their mind. Watch this Karen in Dallas, Texas,

just act a plum fool. No mask! No mask! No mask! in their mind watch this karen in dallas texas just act a plum fool Robert, really? It's a mask. Look, I don't know. I don't want to know what would have happened if these folks had to live through Jim Crow and segregation if they can't handle masks. Imagine there were red dog police and all the other types of oppression black folks have to go through on a regular basis. They are losing their minds, first because they couldn't go get haircuts and they're bringing AR-15s and rocket launchers to the capitals to liberate their states. Now, when the medical

science says that we are in a second wave, there's no amount of information that can make these folks make the prudent decision just to not give everybody else a deadly disease that's killed 130,000 people. These folks just can't tell them what to do. They are not going to let you tell them what to do. Then, of course, we got this uh video right here uh this guy i don't know whether he's latino white guy whatever he decided to uh take down some black lives matter signs let's just say it didn't really go as well as he thought it was going to go y'all got the video play it. If you're your neighbor and you're tired of staying on the fence. Why are you taking it down?

Why are you taking it down? Everyone agrees. No, no, not everyone. I live right there. I'm sick of fucking seeing it. Well, you can't even read it. You can't even see it. My house right there.

Are you serious? Get the fuck out of here. I'm not fucking with you. I'm not fucking with you. I'm not fucking with you. I'm not fucking with you. I'm not fucking with you. I'm not fucking with you. I'm not fucking with you. I'm not fucking with you. I'm not even see them. Relax! My house right there! Are you serious?

Get the fuck out of here, bro! This is the school! Get the fuck out of here, bro! Then go home! Go home! Go home! Go home! Go home now, fool!

Get the fuck out of here! Hell no! This is my fucking block, bro! Get the fuck out of here, then! What are you doing? What are you doing? Get your shit, bro! You're not going to break your shit! What's your face, dude? You're a servant! All right, you got a proxy? Nah, nah. Hey, I don't need any other women.

I got you. I don't need you to do shit, bro. You're getting punked right now. Get the fuck out of here! nah I'm tired of seeing it. Hey, all motherfuckers are tired of seeing it. Don't be making me do shit. I'm tired of cops. I'm tired of all of it. Worry about you and your family. Yep. Stay the fuck out of it. Got it. Let me catch you here again, bro. I want to be pretty in front of your kids, man.

Oh, yeah? You think I fucking plan? I live right there. I'll snap you at your whip, bro. Shut the fuck up and keep your four-wheeled pussy, bitch. You're a pussy. Well, Lauren, if you want to see how white

allies stand with us. Yeah, I mean, you know, everybody's the big dog. Everybody's tough until somebody tougher shows up, right? What's that old uh uh mike tyson saying everybody's got a plan till you get punched in the face so i don't understand like why people need to be stopping their car and going over to the fence and taking signs down for what for what like what is the what is what are you trying to prove? I also don't understand these people who want to go viral.

You throw in stuff out of the shopping cart in a crowded, you know, supermarket. You got a person standing right there with a cell phone and it doesn't occur to you that five million people could watch what you're doing. At this point in our social media moment here, that really actually should occur to you because a few people have gone very viral. And that woman throwing the groceries out, last I glanced at it, it was at five million views. I'm sure it's over that now. But hey, you know, I'm a big believer in, hey, do what you want, but be prepared to deal with the consequences. And the allies are there. There's no doubt about that.

It's pretty new for us. It's very interesting. Well, I mean, what gets me, what gets me, Robert, again, my man said, yo, this my block. Ha! He was like, this my block. You see, Rolla, this is why you always keep your white boy like that in your crew.

I got one named Chris. You always keep a white dude like that around in your crew because when something like that goes down, he can hop in there with a level of productivity the rest of us cannot reach and have no repercussions. You know, if that was a black dude doing all that, there would have been probably the SWAT team, maybe some Navy SEALs there to pull him off of that dude. But Tyler or whatever his name was, that is the kind of dude you want in your crew, in your posse at all times. Keep at least one and then one that

wears a suit that shows up. Well, all I'm saying again, all I'm saying is I'm going to need these people to learn to stop acting a fool. And I'm telling you, we're just living in just a whole different world. And I just keep telling these folks.

You know what? Y'all, it's been a few days since I have seen this. And we had Gary Chambers on the show. But Lauren, just something to me. I need to hear Connie. I need to hear Connie just one time. Okay, I need to hear Connie. I need to hear Connie just one time. Okay, I need to hear Connie. I had intended to get up here and talk about how racist Robert E. Lee was,

but I'm going to talk about you, Connie, sitting over there shopping while we're talking about Robert E. Lee. This is a picture of you shopping while we're talking about racism and history in this country. Only white members of this board got up while we were up here talking, too, because you don't give a damn. And it's clear. But I'm going to tell you what the slaves, my ancestors said about Robert E. Lee, since you don't know history, sister. Let me tell you that they said when he got the plantation, after he got off the field where

27,000 people died at Gettysburg, Connie, Robert E. Lee was a brutal slave master. Not only did when he whooped the slaves, he said, lay it on them hard. After he said, lay it on them hard, he said, put brine on them so they'll burn them. That's what Robert E. Lee did. And you set your arrogant self in here and sit on there shopping while the pain and the hurt of the people of this community is on display. Because you don't give a damn and you should resign. You should have resigned two years ago when you choked a white man in his house.

You should have resigned two weeks ago when you got on TV and said foolishness. And you should walk out of here and resign and never come back. Because you are the example of racism in this community. You are horrible. Not to the rest of the board. You have an obligation to the people of this community. You are horrible. Not to the rest of the board. You have an obligation to the people of this community. And 81% of them are black. And do you need a Klan rally outside, Mr. Golday, before you end it? Because holding it up means that you put that building in jeopardy. You do, sir. Because all over the country, they're burning stuff down. And black folks in this city have stood with protesters.

I ain't seen you elected officials out there with them, making sure that nothing goes south in Baton Rouge. It's been folks in this community who give a damn, not just when it's comfortable, but every time. And four years ago, we came down here. Mr. Drake, they say you're a good man. Be a good man. Black folks say you're a good man. White folks say you're a good man. Be a good man. Black folks say you're a good man. White folks say you're a good man. Your legacy is attached to tonight, brother.

Your legacy. Now, let me say to the black members of the board, it's the most solidarity I've seen out of y'all in forever. Let's keep that. Let's stand on this moving forward. Because we don't need to apologize for Connie, Evelyn. She showed you who she was when she was sitting next to you while you were talking shopping.

I just had to get a little more Connie. I had to get a little more Connie. Wow. You know, I had totally missed that. I had seen it on Twitter just going by. I could see it was going viral, but I never actually stopped and listened to it. So that was like the first time I actually heard that.

Oh, no, no, no. We had him on the show. We had Gary on the show. I totally missed it. And I see why it went viral. Did she actually get up and walk out? Yeah, she got to walk out. Then she released a statement, Robert,

saying that it was a pop-up ad she was trying to get rid of. Haven't we seen you scrolling down the play, down the shopping list? Stop it! Who knew that the two celebrities from this quarantine would end up being Connie and Carole Baskins? But the passion

in his voice, the interest, I think the voice, the frustration that many of us in our communities have, and I do appreciate the fact that he was doing this on the local level because far too often we forget local politics when it comes to what really has an impact on our day-to-day life. So a shout-out to this brother, and I hope Connery forms her ways after this. I love that.

I'm going to play that at least once a week. And what gets me, I keep trying to explain to y'all, okay? I keep trying to explain to y'all, and I love it. I told Gary this. I love how he said that. Y'all, just watch the left hand. Watch the left hand. Y'all see that left hand?

That's a deadly left hand. He's like, I'm about to set it up. I'm about to just smack the hell out of some people in here. All right, y'all. We got to go. Lauren, Robert Tiller, I appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Y'all got to take a quick break.

We come back. Dulo, the comedian's in the house. Looking forward to having him on Wild Night Wednesday. Back in a moment. You want to support Roller Marks Unfiltered? Be sure to join our Bring the Funk fan club. Every dollar that you give to us supports our daily digital show. There's only one daily digital show out here that keeps it black and keep it real.

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By the time we have you, you answer the damn phone this time. Hey, look, man. I was at the dentist last time. I can't see you. I wish I could see your face. I'm sitting there like, man, I'm sitting there teasing it.

We sitting there trying to call you. And I'm like, then all of a sudden, my producer tell me, well, he took several there teasing it. We sitting here trying to call you. And I'm like, then all of a sudden my producer tell me, well, he took several shots of Hennessy Black before the show and he was laid out. No, no, no. I had too many shots of like, what's that? That stuff that they numb you with. Then I had to go back to the dentist because I had like unexpected bleeding. But I'm all fine now, man.

Trust me. I wanted to be there, but my mouth wasn't working at the time. I would have been no good. My mouth was on a house arrest at the time. Yeah, well, I was sitting there like, man, where he at? So, Doc, what's going on, man? What you up to? Hey, man, nothing much, man.

Like I said, like you said, I was supposed to be on last week. But the big news, the big thing i just got my my grill done bro bro remember last time i was on your show man i probably had i had three front teeth right yeah yeah you you were a little rough yeah i was walking around with a tripod in my mouth brother um you know studio equipment so i had to go ahead and tighten that up i needed a four-legged a four you know four-legged uh a four-wheeler instead of a three-wheeler, brother. Now I got my two front teeth back, and I can't stop smiling now, so I'm excited. Oh, you're smiling all the time.

Well, you're also smiling because I saw this tweet. You're going to be producing this exclusive video content for the Pro Football Network, combining comedy voiceovers with football? Absolutely, absolutely, man. I'm really excited about that, man. They reached out to me because, as you know, I've been doing, like, you know, funny content, voiceover, you know, from, you know,

funny videos with animals or even just with babies, kids, whatever have you. And they reached out to me to combine, like, the strict highlights and lowlights of NFL, even not just, it won't be exclusive to NFL, even NCAA, probably even Canada football. And I'll just be putting my funny commentary behind every move and, you know,

gesture that these players do in good plays and especially on the bad plays and just bringing humor to the NFL and bringing humor to football. Well, I saw the press release and what I also saw, they said they did the deal with you because they saw how many times you appeared on my TV One show.

Absolutely. And they said, well, they said he got to be legit that Roland Martin put him on. Hey, look, man, and you already know, I appreciate you. Every time that you done brought me on your show, it kind of put a lot of validation to me. You know, and like now it's 2020 and a lot besides that, there are a lot of other things going on. And just being, you know, being able to be side-by-side by you, who's, you know, you're a very upstanding figure in the black community, man, that

really, like, put a lot of, a good co-sign beside me, man, and that was definitely an asset to me. Being able to be on your show. I was on one day, I was looking at some video, and was there some kind of Nigerian sitcom you were doing? Oh, yeah, yeah. I came across, and I was like, that Dulo? Oh, yeah, yeah. I came across it.

I was like, is that Dulo? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's African time, man. That's African time. We kind of put a hold to that for now. I'm working on other things at the moment. But, yeah, that's African time where I'm playing, you know, African dad named Tunde pretty much displaying, you know,

the struggle, the plight of the Nigerian American family hereian-American family here in America in a comedically dramatic way. But people can check that out. That's still online right now. It's still doing numbers. Almost 1.8 million views. Y'all, I'm going to play a little bit of Go Head in my iPad. Okay. Go ahead.

Mommy's big boy. This is my mom. Uh-uh. Put me some water, Joe. This is my dad. When I was six, we moved from Nigeria to America, and the transition was tough. You're an African booty scratcher. Real tough.

Booty scratcher! Booty scratcher! First day of school. Remember, always sit in the front of the class. The closer you are to your teacher, the more information can penetrate that Polarno brain of yours. Yes, Dad. Are you excited? Yeah. I was not excited.

See, this is how you pronounce my name. Ayo, Deji, pass me the remote. Deji, where is the remote? Ayo, Deji, remote! This is how teachers pronounce my name. Brittany Lucas? Here. Josh Odom?

Here. This is a tough one. Uh, I... Uh... Arividerci. I, uh, ayo... Oh, wow. I'm about to mess this up. Hmm.

Ayo... Bibbly boop. Ayo, Dijon. Here's the deal. It was a trip. You know, I heard somebody on YouTube like, oh, Dijon. Here's the deal. It was a trip. I heard somebody on YouTube like, oh, stereotypical show. Dude, I have talked to numerous African immigrants, and they all tell these stories of these hardcore parents

who you come in second place, don't care if you didn't come in first. They are constantly just riding you hard. Absolutely, man. And it's because, you know, when African parents come hard. Absolutely, man. And it's because, you know, when African parents come here to America, man, they literally see a whole bunch of opportunity that they didn't see when they were younger. And they put themselves in our situation where they're like, man, if I was there, if I had your predicament, I'd be doing a lot more with that. So they ride us hard day in and day out about that up until the point that, you know, some of us go into being a lawyer or a doctor and we're not even enjoying that right now.

My parents still think I'm in law school right now. They think I'm in law school right now, man. I'm not in law school. And the thing is, again, a number of my African friends have said it. No matter what level of success you have, they're still like, so you're not a lawyer? Yep. You're not a doctor. You're not an engineer.

Those are the three things that they want you to be. Stereotypical. What do you call it? That's just foreign parents in general. Like, when they come here, they want you to be in some sort of medical. You know, like I told my dad I wanted to be a football player. They said, you know what? You can play football as long as you're a football doctor. You can be know what? You can play football as long as you're a football doctor.

You can be in the NFL. You understand me? As long as you're a football doctor. You understand me? As long as you're a football lawyer. You understand me? That's the only thing they want you to do. But now when we're on that topic, Arola, I understand.

And I've noticed you wearing a lot of Nigerian garments or African-themed type of attire, man. Well, actually, for a lot of people who don't understand, first of all, I went to Ghana back in 2008, and so I've really been wearing it for more than a dozen years, and then when I went last year, it was a year of return, and so I chose to wear a lot more, and then when I went to Ghana in December,

I said, yeah, but here's a trip. My Nigerian fans are upset, because they're like, well, you know, you wearing all this West African stuff. What about us? I'm like, you more than happen to send me some stuff. See, the thing is, Nigeria is

in West Africa, so they're not mad at that. They're just mad that you're wearing Ghanaian stuff and not Nigerian stuff. So, hey, here's what we're going to do. Roland, I thought about this a while. I said, you know what, since I've been seeing Roland wear all these African garments, it inspired me to give you a Nigerian name. Hey, here's what we're going to do. Roland, I thought about this a while. I said, you know what, since I've been seeing Roland wear all these, you know, these African garments, it inspired me to give you a Nigerian name.

And I'm sure that you're following, right? When I give you, I want them to help us pick this. Because I'm going to post some of this on my page, Roland. And I'm going to help them. They're going to help us pick this. I have three names. And I want you to let me know which one you want to pick. All right, come on, come on.

The first one is Afolah Roland. Who? Afolah Roland. Who? Afola Roland. I'm giving you some prefixes to your name. You're not going to change it. Afola Roland? Afola Roland. Okay.

It's like Afola Roland. Afola Roland. Afola Roland. You know what I'm saying? That's the first one. Okay. And the next one I like the best. Oluwa Rolando.

Oliwa? Oliwa Ando? No, Oluwa Rolando. Oliwa Rolando. No, Oluwa Oluwa Ando Oluwa Rolando Oluwa Rolando Oluwa Rolando Oluwa Rolando You'll get it, trust me I can help you with the pronunciation later

Oluwa Rolando And the last one is Damila Rolando Damila Rolando Damila Rolando Damila Rolando Damila Rolando Damila Roland. No, Damila Roland. Domila Roland. Damila Roland. Damila Roland. Exactly. All three of those. Don't worry.

I'm going to get with my followers. So what do they mean? Okay, so Afala Roland, you know, you're already Roland. All right? You are already Roland. So Afala means we use happiness. So essentially your name means we use happiness to Roland. Okay. All right. Got it, got it, got it. Oluwa Roland, which means our God.

Oluwa means God, all right? So our God, Roland. That's the second one. And Damilo Roland means come with me. Damilo pretty much means come with me. So come with me, Roland. So those are just prefixes. Okay, how about kiss my ass, Roland? Ah, kiss your ass, Roland.

What would that be in Nigerian? In Nigerian, kiss my ass, Roland. I, Kiss Your Ass, Roland. What would that be in Nigerian? In Nigerian, Kiss My Ass, Roland. I don't necessarily know how to say kiss, because there's not a, I mean, kiss me, for me, land on me, give me your mouth. How about Go To Hell, Roland? How about that one? How about Go To Hell, Roland?

Hey, how about this one? This is what you need to know. Oluri Burukunye, Roland. Oluri Burukunye. What does that mean? That you a crazy mother sucker. You are a crazy mother sucker. We might have to go with that one.

How about I'm a grown-ass man, Roland? Ah, big boy in the name now. Big boy in the name. Big boy in the name. I'm a big boy. You are a big boy, Roland. That is true. Yeah.

Camila is in my ear. Camila, she's asking. What's she say? Camila, what are you asking? Is that what? Your root? Yoruba? Yoruba. Yeah, Yoruba. Thatila, she's asking. What's she say? Camila, what are you asking? Is that what? Yoruba? Yoruba. Yeah, Yoruba. That's what she's asking. Is that Yoruba? Yeah, that's Yoruba. And I wish I could see your face. I'm literally looking at a pause blank

screen right now. Oh, no. When you see the video, you're going to be like, hold up. Somebody say, somebody's, folks on YouTube said, what the hell, Roland? They like that one. But which one, I'll smack your ass, Roland. They like that one. But which one? I'll Smack Your Ass, Roland.

How about that one? I'll Smack Your Ass, Roland. Man, my foility, Roland. My foility means I'll slap the hell out of you. So my foility, my foility, Roland. That's what you want. You can have it. You know what I mean?

But the thing is, I'm not changing the Roland. I like that Roland. OK, all right. We'll go with that one. So we'll figure out. We'll have our folks vote on the name. So I'm going to have Kenan break out this part of it, and then we're going to put it on Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter,

and we'll have them vote on it. Okay, so the name. Just to be clear, I'm going to get the names clear again. So we have three names, all right? The one I like, all right, the Nigerian one, Afola Rolando. That's the Our God one. Exactly. No, Afola means we use happiness, all right? Afola, we use happiness to Rolando. That's the Our God one. Exactly. No, Afolah means we use happiness.

Afolah, we use happiness to Rolando. Oluwa, that's the God one. Oluwa Rolando. Okay. And Damilo Rolando. Damilo Rolando, which means come with me Rolando. So Damilo Rolando, Oluwa Rolando, and Afolah Rolando. Alright, so here's the deal. So come with me. So come with me.

To me, it's similar to bring your ass. Yeah, that's clear. That is clear. Those are close. Bring that ass here. All right. So I probably like that one because I'm like, bring your ass.

You know, sometimes we have to call folks out. Bring your ass. That's the one that you're leaning towards. Ain't nothing wrong with that. All right. So everybody on YouTube, we're going to put it on Instagram. We're going to put it on Twitter. We're going to put it on Facebook.

And we're going to have them vote on it. And so... Okay, no problem. So again, the number one is... The first one, ladies and gentlemen, Afola Roland. That's the first one. That's the first name, Afola Roland.

Name number two. Number two? Oluwa Roland. Name number three, Damilo Roland. Hold up, what's number two again? Oluwa Roland. Number three? number three, Damilo Rolando. Hold up, what's number two again? Oluwa Rolando. Number three? Damilo Rolando.

Okay, all right, we'll see which one they're going to vote on. Exactly. I like number two, personally, so we'll see where they go.

All right, we'll see. I'm posting that on my gram too. We'll let the people decide. Dulo, always a pleasure, my brother.

Absolutely. Shout out to www.prosfootballnetwork.com slash Dulo. That's where you guys can check me, all my exclusive network work with the NFL and the Pro Football Network. And don't forget, you got to give out your cash app, too. My cash app is $IamDulo.

$IamDulo. Please feel free to send me anything you want. I will donate most of it to my rent. Most of it. The rest of it to that Hennessy. All right, Dulo, I appreciate it, man. All right, brother Roland. Oh, Oluwad Roland. Oduwad.

Peace. All right, peace out. Peace out. All right, y'all. Too much fun with Dulo there. All right, y'all. Let's do this here.

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