#RolandMartinUnfiltered - GA Elex Case 1st Hearing, Lyoya's Killer Wants Murder Charge Dropped, Amanda Seales, Fanbase Update

Episode Date: September 7, 2023

9.6.2023 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Cop who killed Black man wants charges dropped; Amanda Seales talks docuseries; DNA frees Black man after 47 years in prison The Georgia 19 in the  Fulton County, Georgia, election interference case have pleaded not guilty and have waived their arraignments.  We'll tell you what happened in today's hearing.  The federal contempt trial of former Trump adviser Peter Navarro started today.  He continues to get heckled by a particular protestor.  The Michigan cop who shot a black Congolese immigrant in the back of the head is begging the state's appeal court to dismiss his second-degree murder charge.  DNA frees a black New York man who spent almost 50 years in prison for a rape he did not commit.  Amand Seales has a new docu-series called "In Amanda We Trust."  She'll stop by to tell us all about this new project.  And in tonight's Tech Talk, Isaac Hayes III will be here to give us an update on Fanbase'sfundraising.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Rolling with Roland now He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best You know he's fresh, he's real, the best You know he's rolling, Martel Martel Not a single defendant in the Georgia election RICO appeared in court today in the first televised hearing after a grand jury indicted 19 of them last month, including Donald Trump.

A Fulton County prosecutor said that a joint trial for all 19 defendants in Georgia will take about four months, and they want to call about 150 witnesses. Prosecutors want to try the case as one. In today's court hearing, attorneys argued over whether to sever the cases against Attorney Kenneth Chesbrough and Attorney Sidney Powell. as one. In today's court hearing, attorneys argued over whether to sever the cases against Attorney Kenneth Chesbrough and Attorney Sidney Powell. Last month, the judge in the case scheduled

Chesbrough's trial to begin in October following a proposal from Fulton County D.A. Fonny Willis. Willis wants all 19 defendants involved in the case to face trial in October, but the judge, McAfee, only expedited Chesbrough's case after Trump's attorney indicated that he objected to the proposed timeline.

Now, McAfee denied the motion to sever either Chesbrough or Powell's case. All right, folks, let's talk about this with our panel. Robert Petillo is the host. People, Passion, Politics, News & Talk 1380, WAOK out of Atlanta, Rebecca Carruthers, Vice President, Fair Election Center, Washington, D.C., A. Scott Bolden, out of Atlanta. Rebecca Carruthers, vice president of Fair Election Center, Washington, D.C. A. Scott Bolden, that's Aloysius Scott Bolden, attorney, former chair of the National Bar Association Political Action Committee, attorney out of D.C.

Glad to have all three of you here. Robert, you're there in Atlanta. So, all right, walk us through this. The judge said, look, I don't know if we can sit here and try all 19 of these people beginning in October, and it's going to take four months. Yeah, this is going to be one of the more complicated parts of the case. I know that everyone is used to law and order where the whole thing's wrapped up after, you know, like a tight 30 or 60 minutes and everything gets done.

But in these large RICO cases, and I use the example of the Young Thug YSL case, you know, that case has been in jury selection for 18 months. And therefore, the idea of this getting tried by October is kind of... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold, hold, hold. People who may have missed that. Jury selection alone has gone on for 18 months?

Exactly. Just in the YSL case, because of the number of motions, the number of defendants, but also just trying to seat a jury. They've been trying to do that for 18 months. And that case isn't even close to going to trial when that's a far smaller case than this Trump indictment. So what's going on with Cheeseboro and Powell is that both of them have asked for what's called a speeding trial. So a speeding trial motion, you have to bring that case to trial within that same term of court. So the term of court goes about two months. So the indictments come down in late August, then that case has to

go to trial by October. In this case, the other defendants, such as Trump and many of the other, Giuliani, Meadows, et cetera, they don't want to go to trial that fast. And thus, you're having these motions to sever on this question of whether or not we're going to have 19 individual trials or we're going to have one massive 19-person trial. Now, both of those situations present various benefits and detriments. If you're going to have one giant 19-person trial, well, then it makes it easier on witnesses because they can all come in one time for one trial. It makes it easier on the court system to be able to get everything done at one point in time. However, that one trial is probably going to stretch out over the course of about two years versus having 19 separate four and a half month trials. But then you're going to have to bring in the same witnesses in some of these cases, 19 separate times to testify. You're going to have to take up years of the court's time.

The Fulton County Court and District Attorney's Office was already at a breaking point with regards to their caseload and the ability to move these cases through. And cases getting lost in the system, people being locked in Rice Street and pre-trial detention for three, four, five years. That's an entire different situation. So the logistics of this is really what's being argued about right now. And I'm not sure how the judge is going to come down on this, because this is just that first salvo of motions that are going to come, because every single client has their due process rights. Every single client or defendant has the right to their pre-trial motions. So it's going to be a kind of a bear of a case to get through. It's going to be interesting to see how the judge comes out of these decisions. Scott, the judge made clear that Chesbrough and Powell's cases cannot be

separated. They're trying all they can to separate, move to federal court, all type of legal maneuvers. Your thoughts on really what took place today in court. Well, the judge denied the motion to sever, which was the right thing to do. What's interesting is he didn't sever their cases. So I actually had a question for Robert. Does that mean they're just going to try these cases separately in groups of four or five or as they become available. I mean, Trump obviously wants to wait until forever land, and that's not going to happen. But you could have

separate trials based on the trial availability and attorney availability. You could wind up having four or five trials, if you will. They weren't going to win the sever because each of these defendants under RICO, they've all been charged with very different crimes and very different bad acts based on this conspiracy theory. And so they don't have adverse interests, at least not at this point, Juan. And there's no real threat of confusing the jury or misapplying the law in connection to different defendants, at least not at this point. So I would expect more motions, but you could see three, four, five different trials going on

with different groups of these defendants as we move forward. Rebecca, the thing that I think is also great here, the judge made clear this is going to be televised. And so unlike federal court where they're not televised, people are going to be able to watch the proceedings of these trials. You know, Roland, I think this indeed will be the 21st century's version of the trial of the century. public, but the world to actually see what happens during this trial so we can hear firsthand the things that Donald Trump and his co-conspirators did in attempts to subvert the legitimacy and to undo the 2020 election. The other thing, like, Roland, I think we're going to have to set up a whiteboard in studio just to be able to diagram everything that we're going to see over the next upcoming

months and potentially years. Robert, again, this is going to be obviously it's complex. Look, he's been indicted in four in four different places. And it seems that every month there's a new indictment with this with the thug in chief. And, but what you have here, you also have a very aggressive district attorney. You've got attorneys for these various folks who have tried to, in essence, squeeze her. And do you think they've been shocked

with the response from her team by saying, oh, you want a speedy trial? Let's go. You know, this is one of those issues I'd always try to tell people that don't bring your out-of-town lawyer to the local court for a very specific reason, that you have local relationships, you have understanding with judges. And I've tried cases against Fonny Willis before. I've tried cases against all these DAs before. One case case against them. And I think it's important for people to understand that the Fulton County Court works differently

than any other court in the state of Georgia just simply because of the size of Fulton County and the number of crimes that are being committed and the high-profile nature. You know, we have the YSL trial. We have the Atlanta teachers' RICO case from a few years ago. We have the Ray Lewis prosecution in the same courthouse. You know, big cases happen here.

And so this DA's office is used to handling these big, high-profile cases. And part of the strategy of these RICO cases, because the Georgia RICO statute is one of the broadest in the country, it acts like a funnel. What your goal is to get the person at the top of the criminal organization. So you start with your coffee county campaign worker, your Bales bondsman, your publicist for Kanye, your black Trump person. And you get those people, you group them into a first trial batch and try to get them either as cooperating witnesses or convictions in order to convince the next tranche of people, the lower level attorneys, the people who were just kind of lower level people in the conspiracy, to get them to understand that you're serious about that. And then they start cooperating with the goal being to get that top line of people to

the Trump, the Mark Meadows, the Giuliani, the Eastman of the situation. I think that's what we're seeing happening. I think Cheeseburger and Powell are very quickly going to understand before they get to trial in October. I will put money on them taking a plea deal prior to going to trial in October, given the current trial date, simply because the defenses they presented thus far are very procedural. And once you start getting people who are up there in age and who are used to a certain lifestyle, and once it kind of starts to set in that you might be looking at five years in prison if you lose this versus being able to take a probate sentence or being a cooperating witness, you're going to start seeing the tone

of these things change. Even in August, October seems a long way away. Take that calendar over to September. Now October seems a whole lot closer. I think you're going to see a lot more rational conversations coming out of the defense team for these clients. Scott? Well, you know, the ones that go first have the most risk. And the other co-defendants and defense counsel will be watching how those cases play out and whether you get convicted or they don't get convictions. Watch what happens after that first trial. Two things happen. The government gets better at presenting this case, one, because they presented it once against a handful of defendants, and the defenses get better and stronger. But what wins cases for prosecutors

or the defense are the facts of the case and how well you present them. Lawyers don't win cases. Facts win cases. And there are a lot of facts to digest. The other thing about RICO cases you have to remember is these are very difficult to prove. I don't like RICO cases. I prosecuted them and I've defended them. And I don't like them because it's hard to get the jury focused and to sift through those facts. They're not simple facts. The government has to do a great job at that. The defense counsel has to do a great job at attacking them, right? But getting a verdict of guilty or not guilty is very difficult for both sides. So the more trials you do and the more times you try the cases under that indictment, the better both sides get.

It is going to be trials of great interest, Rebecca. And here's the deal. This is going on while you have an election going on. You've got Republicans who are saying, oh, this is election interference. It clearly has tightened Donald Trump's grip on the Republican Party. But it also, frankly, aids President Joe Biden, because if this thing goes forward, and let's say he's convicted, you have a president who gets to say, you want to reelect a convicted felon?

So here's the other thing. The American people also lose out because we deserve that robust policy discussions all through 2024 to really understand what each party is bringing to the table in terms of policy, with how they plan to govern this country through the executive over the next four years. We're going to miss out on that because this is going to be clearly a circus next year. And just like you mentioned, starting in January, there will be Americans going to the polls to participate in the presidential primaries. And once that clock starts ticking, then it's almost going to be, I can imagine, a Super Tuesday side by side with updates with what's happening at the trial. So it's going to be a major distraction for the Republican Party, but it's also going to be a major distraction on the Democratic side as well, because we're going to miss out on having those deep discussions and real robust discussions on what's good for this country, what's good for happen. However, at the same time, I want your viewers also to pay attention when we start to see campaign foulings, specifically when we see how much money is being raised. I'm really curious if Republican donors and the very big mega donors will continue to donate to Donald Trump

or if his coffers are going to dry up, because we know right now, essentially, his campaign funds are really going to cover court costs and attorney's fees. So it's going to be really interesting watching what's happening, especially on the Republican side, to see who the number two and the number three likely contenders will be. And I think we're going to start to see shifts in early January, especially with seeing what Republican donors are going to do and which candidate they're going to back. Folks, hold tight one second. Hold on, Robert. We're going to we're going to go to a quick break. We're going to pick up on this. We come back also in the classified documents case. One of those witnesses, one of the people, one of the witnesses always cut a deal with prosecutors. That's never a good thing when they start cutting deals.

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Go right back to it. Key witness in the case, of course, after he dropped Trump's attorneys, Walt Nada, one of the two Trump employees, is going to be providing testimony. Scott, if you are a defendant, the last thing you want is, first of all, when Trump was paying for that dude's

attorneys and he dropped Trump's attorneys, got his own attorney, then he's like, I need a deal. I keep telling him, these other people are not trying to go to prison for that food. You're going to see more of these cooperations, the lower level people who are important factual witnesses for the prosecution. And you'll see that when they give up Donald Trump's lawyer and get their own independent counsel, their defense changes because they don't want to go to jail. They don't want to continue to defend Donald Trump or be connected to him in exchange for their liberty. It's just

natural. And so what's important about this cooperator in the documents case is the government now has a witness that can testify. They've got to cooperate in exchange for a deal, and they certainly don't want to be tried and convicted. They have one person that can say, I had a conversation with Walt Nata, and Walt Nata told me to try to get rid of these tapes, and it was coming from the boss. And it took place at Westminster or wherever his golf country club was. And so it puts Donald Trump there, puts Walt Nutter there, and it has a direct conversation with the IT person. This is really bad for Donald Trump. Now, having said that, the defense will cross-examine the IT individual, Tavares, I think. They'll cross-examine him and

say, you cut a deal with the government exchange to save your high and to not go to jail. That's your greatest motivator for lying. Maybe, maybe not, but at least, but this is the dirty business of criminal prosecution. Sometimes you got to get witnesses that even lied in the grand jury. The government's going to have to rehabilitate him and make him make sense and make the government or rather make the jury believe that he's not credible. It'll be a toss up and it'll be depending on what the jury believes it doesn't believe. But this is a good witness for, and depending on what the jury believes and doesn't believe, but this is a good witness for the government. They've got to clean him up, though, because he lied before the grand jury. Again, listen, I just think that —

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is going to crumble. And you're already seeing, you know, what's going on. And I think politically as well. Yes, his base is hardening. But the bottom line is you're going to have more and more people saying, OK, I know Biden is old, but do we actually want this crook back in the Oval Office? You know, I'm hoping that's the calculus that many Americans will have in the back of their mind as they're going into the voting booth next fall. But you know what?

I still think that Trump could still win his primary. And also, you know, Scott, correct me if I'm wrong. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's be real clear. Let's be real clear. He is likely going to win the primary. I'm talking about the general election. I'm simply making the assumption he's going to win the primary. He is going to be the Republican nominee.

Right. And that's a good assumption. And that's a very safe bet. What's also concerning, and just for your viewers to understand, there is nothing within our Constitution that could stop him from getting reelected if he has the majority of votes next fall like full stop him being convicted doesn't stop him there's of course of course that says that um us knowing that he is a criminal he interfered actively with elections he did treasonous um type activities and behavior there still isn't a fail safe within our system system right now to be able to stop them. So I'm hoping there are enough Americans and I'm hoping there's enough people who normally don't show up to vote, who decide that next election is actually important enough when we're thinking about what, how do we move forward with our country?

Because if he goes back into the Oval and we know that he is a clear and present danger, we know he is actively engaged in criminal activity. Everything that he did in his first administration will appear to be child's play. Like, I think we're going to see outright, out front corruption in ways we haven't seen before. I mean, it's going to be like, you know, I think in 50 years, when we start to see even like some of the money transfers that some people have claimed that have happened with him enriching himself, his businesses and his kids' businesses and his cronies' businesses as well, that's nothing compared to what indicted opponent aids a President Biden. Do you agree? No, no, I don't. I think that we are living in a society that has had the last 30 years being pumped full of house of cards, being pumped full of scandal, being pumped full of all these political corruption shows.

And we live in a celebrity culture right now. And the truth is that President or the former President Trump is being aided by all of these things. Ever since he started getting indicted, his numbers have shot up in the Republican primary polls to the point that he's all but clinched a nomination. We've also, however, seen that now he has pulled into a tie with President Biden in national polling and even as a head of President Biden in some of these polls. And what I also think people can't discount is President Trump still has such control over his party that he can simply say if he's convicted, he can make a backroom deal with Ronald McDonald or whoever the hell the RNC chairperson is and say, well, look,

Don Jr. is going to be running for me since these people are persecuting me. The Trump base rallies behind him. He runs on a platform of I'm here to avenge my father. He gets elected. He immediately pardons Trump and all the January 6 protesters. We live in a world where that's no longer a crazy conversation. If you had asked any of us five years ago what crazy redneck stormed the Capitol and smeared feces on the wall, we would say, no, that's crazy. That's not something that's going to happen. We're past the point of crazy in this country. So this is why it's so important that the criminal justice system actually exert all

of its power, particularly on these state-level prosecutions. And what I was going to say before the break, if you are in Atlanta, Georgia, or anywhere in the state of Georgia, you need to be registered to vote. Why? Because the only way you can serve on a jury, be part of that jury selection pool, is if you are a registered voter. And part of the process, once we get to trial, is going to be the process of voir dire, or we call in Georgia, voir dire, where we're going to be picking juries. And the Trump lawyers and all the co-defendant lawyers are going to be trying to find one little old MAGA lady from Sandy Springs or Johns Creek or Milton to sit on that jury. And it only takes one, regardless of what the facts are, regardless of what the evidence

is produced. If you can get one diehard MAGA loyalist on that jury, all these people could escape. They could all walk off completely. So that's why it's important we get involved in the jury pool. But also, the only way to beat the dragon is to beat the dragon. It's not enough to hope that Donald Trump defeats himself and loses by default. They're going to have to get out their campaign. They're going to have to make the promises. They're going to have to put in the legislation. They're going to have to register the voters to actually win this once and for all. That's the only way to bring this chapter of American history to an end. Here's the deal, Scott. I mean, look, first of all,

I get where we are, but the reality is our politics is split. And I think, first of all, when you look at some of these polls, let's understand several different things. First of all, the poll that came out this weekend from the Wall Street Journal, that was with a Republican pollster

who did business with Paul Manafort. So that poll is irrelevant to me, okay? It's an absolute bullshit poll. But here's the thing. If you look at any poll, many of the polls are also where they read it because a significant number of Democrats poll think Biden is too old. The point is this here. Barring anything health-wise, Biden is going to be the nominee.

Any poll today means nothing to me. It means absolutely nothing. What I'm looking at the fact is that when he steps out there, you're going to see, I think in many ways, what you saw four years ago, where Biden is saying this person,

this person cannot and will not and should not be back in the Oval Office. And he's done so many things since that you have independent voters. You've got other voters who are not going to be voting for Republican. I just simply think absolutely the best chance for a Biden reelection is to face Donald Trump. Yeah, no, I completely agree with you. In a set of another way, you don't have a...

Where does he get his votes from? The Democrats aren't going to vote for him, even if they think Biden is... Right. He has a ceiling. Trump has a ceiling. Biden has a floor. That's a different deal. Exactly. Because those same Democratic voters that will say, he's too old to run. I want somebody else to run.

I want somebody else to run against him. The bottom line is if Biden's on the ballot, Democrats are voting for Biden. It's a very different question. Then you look at the independents. Anywhere from 30 to 70 percent of independents aren't going to vote for Donald Trump facing these 91 criminal felony charges, right? So who are they going to vote for? In the end, whether they like it or not, they're going to vote for Biden and maybe someone else. There are not enough votes for Trump in order to win this general election. You've got to believe that. And the trials are starting in March of 2024. So where is he going to get his votes? Are the MAGA supporters and those disenfranchised, poor white, Southern and rural voters.

They're going to do have never voted before. It costs time running resources to cultivate them and to have them come out in the masses. And it's just not going to happen. Why? Because he spent $40 million on legal fees. He's going to spend $40, $80, maybe even $100 million on legal fees. That gets old. Those are monies that can be spent on finding new voters,

and it's being spent on lawyers. So these guys, listen, he'd have to run the table and beat all 91 of these felony criminal state and federal charges in order to be free to enter the White House. It's never been done in the history of this country. And I've got to tell you, you may not want to vote or rather bet against Donald Trump, but I'm betting against him that he can't beat all 91 of these charges. And here's the thing that jumps out. Here's the thing that jumps out here, Rebecca, that I think is critically important. You still have to look at elections as

frankly statewide elections. The reality is we saw that Supreme Court race in Wisconsin where that female jurist, she beat the Republican by 11 points. Over the next year, you may very well have the Wisconsin Supreme Court rule against political gerrymandering. Rule for abortion rights. And restore a lot of those powers to Tony Evers, who is the Democratic governor. So you look at Wisconsin. You look at Pennsylvania, which Biden won by $110,000. You saw Fetterman beat back Dr. Oz there as well. Now you look at Georgia, still extremely competitive. I think it's not going to be, it's going to be a tough state to win again,

but they can. Then you look at Arizona as well. So the pathway, again, to winning the presidency, he has to win, he has to win. Remember, he only won by 77,000 votes against Hillary Clinton in Michigan, in Pennsylvania, and in Wisconsin.

And so if you're the Biden campaign, you're focusing on that. I'm not, I keep telling people these nationwide polls, they mean nothing. A presidential election is based upon a series of state polls, not national polls. Because we already saw what happened. You can win the most national votes and not win the election, Hillary Clinton. That's right. So, look, you're right about some things, but I also strongly disagree with you about other things.

Such as? Right, it's too early to look. So, it's too early to start looking at polls, like full stop. No, it's too early to start looking at polls, like full stop. No, it's too early to look at national polls because presidential elections, they are a combination of state results. That's what I'm saying. Who gives a shit if Biden wins, beats Trump by three million votes in California? It doesn't matter. There are other states that he has to win.

He's going to win California. So I don't care about California in the national poll. I'm looking at how is he running in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona, Michigan, Ohio. How is he running in Florida? That's what I'm looking at. And also, what are these crazies in New Hampshire going to do who are now pissed off because the Democrats chose to go with South Carolina first and not New Hampshire and Iowa? That's what I'm looking at.

So, yes, I understand what I understand your framework. But this is something that I think we need to step back. We're in a completely different world. And Robert's right on this issue. Like those old rules are out the window. And to answer you and Scott's question of where is Trump going to find these people, the same place he found them in 2016. He found people who have been off of the voting rolls since the 80s. And so when I tell you, like, all my years of doing campaigns where you're looking at voters who are high-propensity voters or voters who are low-propensity, and for your viewers what that means is they're likely to turn out and vote.

So he literally found people who haven't voted in such a long time. They were no longer on the voting rolls, and he was able to get them out. The second thing is Trump is not the same type of candidate as, like, a Mitt Romney. He's not the same type of candidate as a Nikki Haley, where he's going to need a billion dollars behind him in order for him to generate enough interest and to get enough airtime for people to be aware that he's on the ballot. He is such an incendiary character in American politics. He literally doesn't have to spend one dollar in advertising in order to still dominate the airwaves. We've seen that happen. In fact, I will blame some of the mainstream media for him, his candidacy actually

becoming legitimate during fall 2015. Because I remember the summer of 2015 when he was talking about running, he was getting into the race as we went into the August the two night special. Oh, I mean, I totally understand

in terms of him generating attention. That's not my issue. What I'm saying is the biggest mistake that I see right now is having conversations on this poll says this, this poll says that. I think right now, again, I'm looking at states. I'm looking at how does a person perform in the states. But the other thing is how do you shore up weaknesses? When Scott says, where's he going to get the votes from? This is what Trump needs, which is actually how he won in 16. It wasn't just he pulled out people who had not voted. You also had on the Democratic side, depressed turnout. There were people who were like,

I just can't vote for Hillary Clinton. So what you're facing with is, the question is, are you going to see increasing turnout? Republicans are scared to death right now. Why? Because of abortion. They saw how crucial that was in 2022. It's going to be on the ballot in 2024.

What I'm just simply saying is, for a lot of people, pump your brakes, calm the hell down, ignore all these national polls. And the focus needs to be on voter education, teaching people about exactly what's happening, because when you see polls that show 60 and 70 and 80 percent of people agreeing with policies that Biden has done, but then you see the same poll going, oh, people say the economy is going so bad. You're like, what the hell are you talking about? And so they have to deal with that.

I'm just saying for a lot of folks who are fretting, this is going to be a Biden-Trump matchup. Unless something crazy happens on the GOP side, unless something happens with his health, that's who this is going to be. We better simply be prepared for that to be the matchup. But crazy is happening right now. Like, here's some breaking news

out of Wisconsin. In Wisconsin, they're trying to figure out how to pull that female jurist that just won in the spring. They're trying to pull her off the bench. And that is the test case that they're going to roll out in North Carolina. Oh, yeah. The test case that they're going to run through

several of the southern states as well. So what we're seeing on the Republican side right now is they're literally manipulating the rule. Of course, in Georgia, they're actively throwing people off of the poll off of those rolls. The Republicans right now. So their strategy isn't the typical fair gentleman strategy. No, no, no. Their strategy is what they've done the last four elections. They want to decrease the size of the electorate. They want to ban ballot drop boxes. They want to have voter ID. We already know what they're going to do. But the Democrats don't have an answer

for it right now. That's not true. Actually, Rebecca, that simply is not true. The Mark Elias, the LDF, Lost Committee, they have been winning in the courts. They literally have been beating them on many of these voter restrictions. That's simply not true. Now, what you talk about in Wisconsin, yeah, Republicans are floating that. But here's the deal in Wisconsin. All right.

We talked about this on yesterday. You have a woman who beats Republican by 11 points. It was a statewide race. Republicans make that move, then all of a sudden this race is on the ballot next year. You now could drive serious turnout next year as well. So we already know they're going to cheat to win. We know this. So what I'm saying... The White House

hasn't listed out an answer yet. So when I talk about the Democratic Party... I'm not even... What I'm really saying is we need to see what is the White House's strategy for actually beating back on... No, no we don't. We need to... No we don't. No, Rebecca. We can't wait on them. The White House has an answer for it right now.

But Rebecca, here's my whole point. We don't need to wait on the we can't wait on them. Here's my whole point. We don't need to wait on the White House to give an answer. We already know what our answer is. And this is what I've been saying to all our people. Do not give money to political campaigns. Don't send money to the DNC. Send that money to third-party groups

who are going to be on the ground. I'm not waiting on Biden-Harris campaign to say, hey, here's our plan. The lawyers, the lawyers, they're like, hey, look, they've already, the DNC cut with Mark Elias and his group. They're still suing.

So they're doing their part. What I'm saying is we cannot wait for somebody else to come up with a strategy. I'm saying to our audience, it's going to be Biden versus Trump. We already know that what that thug is going to do for black people, our job is to drive our

numbers. But we cannot, I'm not waiting on anybody who's two blocks from here to come up with their strategy. I'm saying black people, we have our own strategy, and that's our own survival. And that's how we gotta be focused. So if we're gonna save the day,

what do we get out of it? What is the deal that we cut with the White House if indeed we are the cavalry that's gonna save this White House? First of all, we know black folks are gonna be the tipping point. They're gonna decide who wins the White House. Well, no, no, no. Hold up. Depend upon the state.

Depend upon the state. We're not gonna be the tipping House. Well, no, no, no. Hold up. Hold up. Depending upon the state. Depending upon the state. We're not going to be the tipping. But if we go state by state, if we go through the states that's going to tip the election, it's still going to be the black vote that's ultimately going to serve as the tipping point. No, it's not. Not in Arizona.

Not in Arizona. Not in Arizona. We get Virginia. We get Pennsylvania. We don't need Arizona. No, no, We get Virginia, we get Pennsylvania, we don't need Arizona. No, no, no, no, no. Actually, but here's the deal, though. No, no, you still need Arizona, and that's part of the deal.

What Democrats cannot do is do what Hillary did by saying, hey, let's lock down Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. Hey, we're good. No, no, no, no, no. My deal is I'm assuming Republicans are going to win Georgia this time. You do need Arizona. Robert, go. Well, look, Roland, no, no. My deal is I'm assuming Republicans are going to win Georgia this time. You do need Arizona. Robert, go.

Well, look, Roland, just to that point, remember that Donald Trump received $3.5 billion in free media in 2015 to win the 2016 election. So the money in politics thing is now a thing of the past. Donald Trump generates free media. We've spent the first 30, 40 minutes of the show giving Donald Trump free media because the Biden campaign has been completely inept when it comes to messaging and when it comes to a press strategy. You're across the damn street from the White House. They have somebody from the White House on this show three nights a week, but they're not going to do it. Talk to black talk radio show hosts across the country, including my show and including every show on my network. Try to get a Biden official on your damn show.

They don't exist. They won't come and talk about the policies. Try to get them to be on a blog or be on a podcast or talk to people. They won't do it. They are writing the recipe for them to lose this election. Hold on. Hold on.

I got to correct you. I got to correct you. First of all, we ain't got a on, hold on. No, no, no, I got to correct you. No, no, I got to correct you. First of all, we ain't got a problem having them on. I'm deciding who I want to have on. I'm not accepting just anybody. So that's first. That's first and foremost. Because also, I get the emails all the time,

them offering up folks, so I'm not always saying yes to somebody. That's one. But this is what I'm also saying. I'm saying I'm not interested in waiting on them. What I am saying to black people, we can create our own mechanism. And what I am saying is at a conversation with Natasha Brown last night, the black voters matter with Tamika Mallory until freedom. Tamika Mallory until freedom, they are opening their own office next week in Kentucky to take down Daniel Cameron. They're not waiting on

anybody else. So what I am saying to our people, damn what Biden and Harris and who they're offering up, we can have our own surrogates, our own messaging, speaking to our own issues. Here's what we know as a fact. What the Republicans are planning to do if they win the White House is going to have severe and dire consequences for black people. They literally right now are meeting and crafting a plan of action

to fire thousands of federal workers. Who over-indexes the federal government? Black people. They want to have loyalty tests. Who is that going to hurt? Black people. And so what I'm saying is, damn waiting on them to come up with a battle plan.

There's a black battle plan that we should be devising as we speak that speaks to our interests. And when I say our interests, we can sit here and negotiate and make demands of the White House as very well that we should. But I can tell you this. I know what I want to see again if a Biden-Harris is reelected, another 200 federal judges, which then impacts when we sue in the federal system. What I want to see if there's a Biden-Harris reelection is what you've seen with the Department of Justice

where they've been going after prison wardens and jailers. And right now there are nine patterns and practices investigations in the DOJ in the last three years. It was one under Donald Trump. So I know what I am asking for. What I'm saying is, create our black plan. Damn waiting on them.

Look, Roland, I think black folks are tired of being political sharecroppers for these people. You can pass a $4 trillion debt reduction plan, a $3.5 trillion omnibus spending bill, $1.7 trillion infrastructure bill. You got a $1.5 trillion build back better bill. You 1.7 trillion dollar infrastructure bill. You got a 1.5 trillion dollar build back

better bill. You have a stop Asian hate crime bill. You got a respect for marriage. You got all this huge legislative agenda. But then when it gets down to, hey, can you stop police from beating the hell out of black people and have some legislation, they get real quiet. No, no, no, Robert, Robert, that's a lie. Robert, that's a damn lie. Robert,

the George, Robert, Robert, that is a lie. Robert, that's a lie. Robert, that's a damn lie. Robert, that is a lie. Robert, that is a lie. No, Robert, that is a lie. Robert, the George Floyd Justice Act was passed by the House. By the House. It gets to the Senate. It was stopped by two people, Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham. But, Roland, that's the point that I'm trying to make. How the hell do you pass through

a $3.5 trillion omnibus spending bill but you can't get past two people? Easy, easy, Robert! Because Republicans want money too. You can blame the Republicans on everything. Robert, let's be real clear.

Hold on, Robert. That's bullshit. That's. Hold on, Robert. No, no, no, Robert. That's bullshit. Robert, that's bullshit. No, Robert. Robert, what was the vote total for the omnibus spending bill? Enough to pass. No, no, no. What was the vote total?

Enough to pass. It passed. So how many items in the omnibus spending bill the Republicans also want? They were able to negotiate something where they got it done. The same thing with the debt ceiling reduction act. The same thing with the... I'm asking, no, no. I'm asking again. I'm asking again. I'm asking again. What was the vote total? The vote total was enough to pass the bill into law.

And what I'm saying with the omnibus spending bill, what you have is Republicans wanted a whole bunch of that money as well. So to say, well, they've got enough votes over here because Republicans voted. There wasn't a single Republican, not one, that stepped up and said they would support the George Floyd Justice Act. Not one. Now, how can you get that passed with only 49 or

50 Democrats? The way you get it passed is you negotiate the same way they did with all the legislation they got passed. You could negotiate. You could not negotiate. What are you talking about? Robert, where the fuck were you? Robert, no, Robert. Robert,

Robert, two people, two people were negotiating for the Republicans. Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott. Two people. We have it on record where two of the police unions said the fraternal order of police

was one of them. They said they contradicted Tim Scott. And they said, not one time did we see Democrats want to defund the police. Tim Scott says, well, the sheriff in my state

said, I disagree with this. That's how it got killed. Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham promised the families. I talked to them outside of this building on the anniversary of George Floyd's death, he promised them we are going to get the Republican votes. They never did. So you can't pass a bill where you need 60 votes if you can't even get one Republican. They negotiated for months. Those two could not get

any other Republicans and they killed the bill. So let's stop acting like Biden and Harris couldn't do anything and get it passed when Tim Scott, Tim Scott is the reason why there is no George Floyd Justice Act. We got to be willing to say it and not run from it. Look, Roland, the point that I'm trying to make No, no, no, no, no. You said they couldn't get it done, but you got to explain to black people why it didn't get done. Let me explain why they didn't get it done.

Look, Roland, Roland. Look, Roland, just on this point. Scott, hold on. Okay, Rob, make your point. I'm going to Scott. Go. When we're talking about negotiating things, giving and taking, let's take the debt ceiling. No, no, no, no. No, no, Robert.

Stay on the floor just as that. Let me give you the example that I'm trying to give you. On the debt ceiling deal, they were able to get people like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Kevin McCarthy to vote for something that was against their entire caucus. Take that for a point. We've heard Republicans talking about reforming the Department of Justice, reforming the FBI. Roll that into an omnibus criminal justice reform bill where you say,

well, reform the DOJ and FBI if you incorporate that into the George Floyd justice of policing bill and also the Tyree Nichols duty and intervene bill. And that's how you get the votes that you need to have a compromised bill. Robert, Robert, Robert, you're talking, Robert, you're talking, Robert, Robert, Robert, you're talking about the house. It passed the house. The house ain't the problem, Robert. It was the Senate. The House is the problem now because you have a Republican majority in the House. Robert, listen to me, Robert. Robert, listen to me. All they needed, Robert,

in the House was a one-vote majority. 218. That's all they needed. In the Senate, they needed 60. Let me say it again. In the House, all they needed was 218. 217 could be against. It passes.

That's 435. In the Senate, they couldn't do 50-50, and Kamala Harris breaks the tie. They couldn't do 51-49. They had to get to the 60-vote threshold. The negotiation that you're talking about, you say they should have done, they did that. We had Congresswoman Karen Bass on this show. We had Senator Cory Booker on this show. They were the lead negotiators Everything they put on the table. They could not do it It was Senator Tim Scott who came in and said oh y'all want to defund the police

That's a bridge too far and he killed it He didn't even call the family members to tell them that they were stopping negotiations on the deal. That's what the hell happened. So I'm trying to figure out what in the hell are you talking about that you could have somehow got it through the Senate when they clearly did not want the bill

at all. Because they got everything else they wanted to do through. You can't tell me you got everything else on your agenda done, but then when you get the black folks... You didn't get everything on your agenda. I ran out of steam. You didn't get everything on your agenda.

I got infrastructure done. I got the debt ceiling done. But black folks, just vote for me one more time, and I'll get to you next time. No, no, that's not what it is. What it is is understanding the very people who are against you. And when a Senator Tim Scott sits there and straight up lies on Face the Nation,

and then when I text him, he couldn't answer when I said, wait a minute, their proposal was the same one you proposed last year. He stopped answering. His staff stopped answering. They were full of shit from the beginning. And then Senator Tim Scott then spoke against the crap that was in the executive order that Trump signed. I said, wait a minute, hold up. You stood there and supported that.

Here was the real deal. He was supposedly for police reform when Trump was there. He was not going to give Biden that victory. You know why? Because Scott was running for president all along. That was the real deal, Scott. So we got screwed. So we got screwed because Senator

Tim Scott was running for president and he needed that sheriff in South Carolina supporting him. That's the fact. Scott, make your point. Tim Scott said 3%. How could that be your strategy? The problem that Robert Petillo is having with you and your analysis

is because you sound like an apologist for the Biden heritage. No, I sound like a fat giver. Blame Tim Scott. I'm telling you what you sound like, right? No, no, but I'm telling you what happened. Okay, you tell me what happened then. Tell me what happened. The terrorist team didn't get it done, and you don't want to? No, no. But I'm telling you what happened. Okay. You tell me what happened then. Tell me what happened. The IRS team didn't get it done and you don't want to point fingers at them. No, no, no. You're wrong. Tell me what happened.

Point fingers at both of them. No, tell me. No, no, Scott. What happened? What happened? Let me say it again. Hold on, Scott. I'm going to ask you again. No, no, no, Scott. I'm going to ask you again. No, no, no, Scott. I'm going to ask you to answer this. No, no, no, Scott.

No, Scott. It passed the House. Scott, it passed the House. You tell me. No, hold on, Scott. Hold on, Scott. No, no, no, Scott. Scott.

Hold on, Scott. No, Scott. Answer the question. Scott, answer the question. It passed the House. You tell me how they could have gone through the Senate. I got a bulletin that says I'm the president of the United States, and if I do everything humanly possible to get those votes in the Senate

to convince those two Republicans... No! Scott, you needed ten Republicans. Scott, you needed ten Republicans. Scott, you needed ten Republicans. Scott, you needed 10 Republicans. Scott, let me ask you again, Scott. Scott, I'm going to ask you again, Scott. How do you get 10 Republicans when you can't get two? I'll wait.

Then don't promise it then. Then don't promise it if you can't get it. No, let me ask you a question. You gave him a mansion. It's pathetic. I want to know again. Scott, answer the question. How can you get 10 if you can't get two?

I said my piece on this. No, no, no, Scott, you're not even answering. You can't even answer the question. You can't even answer it. You can't even answer it. No, no, what I sound like. No, no. What I sound like

is somebody who actually paid attention, who talked to the principals. No, no. Hold on. Excuse me. Let me say it again. You ain't right about everything. Scott, let me ask you a question. Scott, did you have any

conversations with the Democrat negotiators? Any? Sure I did. No, question, Scott. Did you have any conversations with the Democrat negotiators? Any? Sure I did. I talked to them all the time. No, no, no. Scott, Scott. No, no, Scott, Scott. Hold on, Scott.

On this bill, did you have any conversations with Congressman Karen Bass and Senator Cory Booker about these negotiations? Did you? Yes. Did you? I am not done. Hold up. Scott.

Hold up, Scott. Scott. I'm not done. Hold up, Scott. Hold up, Scott. Scott, wait a minute. Scott, did you have any conversations with Tim Scott about these negotiations? No.

Scott, hold up. Did you have any conversations with the families of the people who were victims of police violence who were part of the negotiations? Yeah, on your show. Okay, so help me out. So let me be clear. Let me be clear. You didn't talk to none of the Democrats negotiating,

none of the Republicans, and only on the show talked to the families. I talked to all three, so why in hell should we listen to you? I'm resource-driven. No, no, no. Resource-driven leadership. Well, what I do is I don't just talk. But here's what I do, Scott. Here's what I do, Scott. Here's what I do, Scott.

I don't just talk on a show. I talk to the principals, and that's the difference between being informed and uninformed. Scott, Scott, you're uninformed. You're uninformed. Scott, the only way you know about the negotiations is because, hell, I'm the one who told you. Rebecca, make your point. Rebecca, make your point, Rebecca. So, I mean, there's different tools that we've seen that happened in the past,

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...in the Senate is they either suspend the rules or they amend the rules package. And for your viewers to understand that it's the rules of how the Senate works, but what is passage, like whether you need 50 plus one or whether or not you need 60 in order for something to advance out of the Senate. And so one thing that I will say, the Democrats could experiment and figure out, all right, are we going to suspend the rules or are we going to amend the rules package and change what that threshold? Because there's nothing in the Constitution that says you have to have 60 votes in order for something to pass the Senate. What happens at the beginning of each Congress is on the House side and the Senate side, both leaderships

determine what are the rules for something to determine passage. So in the Senate, one of the tools that the senators can do, one of the things that Schumer could have done was either suspend the rules, change the rules package or figure out, OK, we know if this is if this is a particular legislative package that deals with money, then then you could also do different maneuverings. But this but this but this one, but the joyful just that was dealing with money. So one thing that for my, so I worked at the Hill on the Affordable Care Act. And one of the different things that we floated around, I worked for Congressman Dingo, is figuring out, okay, if we actually have to fight on the Senate side in order to get that passed. Because remember a couple people, there was the open seat in. Yeah, it was in massachusetts scott brown yeah scott brown so it was sitting down with um parliamentarians on the senate side to figure out okay so what do we do in order to get this thing passed what are our different avenues so

that happens on each major piece of legislation and that was well i hear you on the technical aspects you are right roland that it was was hard for the Democrats to pass it. I don't think it was impossible if they had enough will, if they wanted to expand political capital. And hold up. And one second, one second, one second. Excuse me. Excuse me. And you said in order to do that, then that meant Senator Chuck Schumer being able to have to lead his Democratic caucus to change the rules.

And to do that, how many votes would he have needed to change those rules? He would have needed 60 to change the rules. Hold on one second. One second. One second. You said he would need 60. How many Democratic votes did he have? He had 50. And really he had 48 because Sinema and Manchin would not have gone with it, correct? But I've seen Mitch

No, no, no, I'm just, no, no, no, I'm stating, but you just said in order to change, let me, for everybody who's watching, you said in order to change the rules, you would need, I believe it's 60 that you should make it to adopt the rules. So, in order to change Wait a minute, if we go back to the beginning Hold. So, in order to change... Wait a minute.

If we go back to the beginning... Hold on one second. I don't think we need it 60. Hold on. You said in order to change the rule, you would have needed 60. And you needed 60 for the George Floyd Justice Act. You couldn't get to 60. Because in order to change it, you would need to convince 10 Republicans to do it.

Do you actually think... At the beginning of session, I don't think you would have needed 16 because technically there's no rules that are being operated on at the very beginning of the session to adopt the rules. But the Senate was tied and they had to negotiate, correct? They had to negotiate with McConnell on that, correct? Because remember, it was 50-50. And there's trillions of dollars to negotiate. Oh, I got you. I understand. It requires a smart tact Oh, I got you. I understand. But it requires a smart tactician. I got you.

Yes. And what I'm saying is, the point is this here, if you needed 60, they weren't going to give you 10 to change the rules to make it easier for you. So what I need our folks to do is also to be aware, which is also why I was going so hard for Barnes and Beasley because if we were able to get 52, 53, 54, you actually shrink your totals just a little bit.

And that right there is why we need to have people who understand not just politics, but also when somebody says, well, this didn't happen, we need to be deeper than mustard on a hot dog and ask the question, why? What happened? And then if it did not happen, then say what needs to happen in the next election with the results to get closer to what our goal is. That's what we actually have to do.

Hold on one second. I got to go to a break. We come back. Amanda Seals is up next discussing her docu-series right here. And we'll also, Trump advisor Pete Navarro. Oh, Lord. This fool has tipped the Congress trial again today. I love this woman who keeps showing up with a sign over his head.

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A white nationalist rally that descended into deadly violence. You will not be white. White people are losing their damn lives. There's an angry pro-Trump mob storming the U.S. Capitol. We're about to see the rise of what I call white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial. This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress Whether real or symbolic there has been the Carol Anderson every university calls white rage as a backlash

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Hey, what's up, y'all? I'm Devon Franklin. It is always a pleasure to be in the house. You are watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. Stay right here. The The The The The The The Thank you. All right, folks, Amanda Seals,

she occasionally discusses politics. She has a new comedy documentary called In Demanda We Trust. She ventures into D.C. to find out if there's a place or a space for her to run for political office. Here's a sneak peek of this documentary. In a world where deception and power rules, one brave woman answers the call of the people. I think I'm going gonna run for office. And ventures to the nation's capital

to bring a trusted voice to the halls of democracy. I mean, if I ran, do you think you would vote for me? It depends. Oh. It depends. I came through because I wanted to get some insight from some folks who are already on the inside. And, uh...

Oh, your afro's knitted here. No one is gonna believe me in this. You know what? You never told me. What are you running for? The question really is, what are we running to? I'm running to the people. Ooh. How well do you think you know government? I went to school. I can answer to the people. Ooh. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. How well do you think you know government?

I went to school. I can answer a couple questions. How are you fighting the colonization? Are you doing martial arts? If I were in any office, from alderman to state senator to Republican, ooh. What Satan just flew into my mouth? The Santas came in here right.

That's what happened. In Amanda, we trust an unapologetically political comedy doc from Amanda Seals, coming soon to the Internet. Hear that motorcade? That's Kamala going home. That could be me. In Amanda, we trust.com. All right, Amanda Seals joins us now from New York. Amanda, glad to have you on the show. First and foremost, the one thing when you asked the brother,

he said, well, I know a couple of things. If there's one thing I think that probably drives me crazy, the number of people who literally have no clue about how politics works in this country. Okay, but Roland, you also are like exceedingly knowledgeable about politics. You flexed on me before I even came on camera. He said I'm mad to talk about politics sometimes. You know, ever since he ain't me.

No, no, but follow me here, okay? So look, my parents were grassroots. They were community activists in our neighborhood of Clinton Park in Houston. And so even as a child, yes, seven, eight years old, standing outside of election day, passing stuff out. But still, you got folks who walk around who don't, and we've asked this question all the time.

They don't know who their state rep is, state senate, the councilman, the county commissioner. Yet then when folk get mad that stuff don't happen, then you ask them, well, who did you call? Well, I called Congressman so-and-so. Then you say, does he or she actually represent you? I don't know. And so my problem is

that a lot of people respond emotionally when things don't happen as opposed to factually as to how things get done. That's probably what drives me crazy the most. But you also know that that's by design, right? Like, it's by design that folks are kept ignorant.

It's by design that folks are kept feeling like the politics and government of it all exists in an ivory tower. You know, there's just this effort that has been made to create apathy, to, you know, really distract folks from even feeling like they have any level of power. And so that's what I love about what you do. I love about what you do is that you really make it people's responsibility that they need to get it together. They need to get the knowledge and they need to stop just throwing things around that they don't know about. And that's this uh political comedy documentary is about it's about trying to use humor and use comedy right to get folks engaged you know to get folks at least even curious i mean roland we are in the age of idiocy

oh yeah we're being ignorant and people will stand on that and look at you crazy for even seeking knowledge. So that's what this is about. I apologize for the sirens. It's a very New York evening. I got you. Well, the thing is, again, so when it comes to the documentary and then, you know, you say you're coming to DC and you're talking to the very people. See, that's the thing that is important. I think we do have to, I've been saying this,

that we've got to have schoolhouse rock 2.0, 3.0, because when I hear people talk about how frustrated they are, things don't get done, and then when I ask them stuff, and then I go, you do know that's the school board's job, then they go, hold up. I'm like, that's not Congress. We got to start from scratch. Yeah.

You understand what I'm saying? Yeah. We got to start from scratch. Like you already stated that you learned from scratch. You started when you was seven and eight by having this juxtaposition to this information. It's the same way that like you got to have books in babies' rooms even before they can read them. Yep. Because it needs

to be commonplace that knowledge is around you right we don't have that civic part of our culture anymore and so many of our ancestors and even just not even ancestors our great grandparents our grandparents worked for that they fought for that they died for that and so what we somehow not somehow through great effort we have been disconnected from that. And so we got to reconnect to that. And those of us who see it, it is our responsibility to be it. And so that's, you know, that's why I made this. And I made it with my own money. I mean, that's, you know, I love what you do because you was like, man, pump y'all, I'm gonna just do this. And so that is how, but that's how it gets done because if you have

to rely on the other sources, it's going to get dismantled. It's going to get muddled. It's going to get just dissolved into BS. And so anybody who knows my work, that's what I'm about. So where is this going to air and then what's going to happen

afterwards? Are you thinking about saying, hey, let's take it around the country and literally have, you know, look, they got PragerU. So how about SEALsU, AmandaU? Amanda Academy. You know, I was originally just going to do this and be done with it and move on and go do a stand-up tour, et cetera. And then I was meditating on it and I on and go do a stand-up tour, et cetera. And then I was meditating on it and I was like, oh, wait a minute. I'm actually not supposed to do that. I'm supposed to live with this and work with this and teach with this. And so this is available on

my platform, my Patreon. So you can go to inamandawetrust.com. And I am going to package this and be able to take this on the road where I will begin with political trivia and stand up. Then we'll watch the special and the documentary, I should say. And then we'll do a Q&A because I, like you, understand that we have to canvas in many ways. We're not just canvassing to get people to vote. We got to canvas to get people to learn. We got to canvas to get people involved. And it has to be all of us, not just some of us. And so I'm taking it on the road. I mean, I would love to bring it to schools in 2024. I'd love to get, you know, some of these folks that are, you know, private money philanthropists to fund me being able to bring

this to spaces to do this work. And that's really something I feel very passionate about. So passionate that I'm walking around New York City in heels, just in a suit in summer. I mean, come on, baby, that's commitment. See, I think so. So here's the deal. So I think as you were talking, I think what would be great. And so as you're going around, maybe in certain cities and you have special guests, people who also who are in this and do this. We got other groups out there. And, you know, look, you know, I belong to as I'm rocking this, you know, the Colas and Bolas fraternity. We know who's going to show up more than any other fraternity.

There are youth groups and there's us. Let's just be clear. And so let's just be real clear. There's a panelist on this show who belongs to one of those youth groups. We know his folk would not show up in mass numbers. We know who will. But I do think literally creating this, yeah, as like Amanda Academy, because I'm telling you, Amanda, I have traveled this country

and the number of people who literally don't know and you tell them and they look at me like, are you serious? I didn't know. Roland, I didn't know. I went to Columbia for grad school in African-American studies. I was taught by the great Manny Marable

and Farrah Jasmine Griffin. Like I've had access to some of the greatest educators that have touched foot here. And I didn't know. And I had to gather myself because I was like, you know, you just as bad as these people out here. You complaining, but you don't even understand. And that is not intellectualism.

And it's not responsibility and it's not community. And so I had to check myself and educate myself. And that began with, you know, really following folks like you and curating my social media to include informative sites. There you go. You understand? There you go.

That feed me the information and the knowledge and that, that I can actually like use my critical thinking. I had to seek out information. Y'all, I even got the flashcards that they make for folks trying to take the citizenship test. OK. Wow. I was like, yes.

Because I was like, no, you need to start from scratch. See that? See, it's interesting. So people think I take shots at the folks. I don't. Like, a brother the other day put a video out trying to explain why Tyler didn't get BET. And I saw the video, and a bunch of people had spread around.

And I sent him a DM, and I said, bro, I saw your video. Wasn't shit you said in your video that was correct. Nothing. It was all wrong. You don't know how things work. Now, he never hit me back, but I do that when I'm like... you said in your video that was correct. Nothing. It was all wrong. You don't know how things work. He never hit me back, but I do that when I'm like...

But, because see, what angers me is bad information. Bad information like literally causes me to want to strangle the shit out of somebody. It's infuriating. Because if somebody gets bad information, then they start spreading bad

information. Now we got to stop another hundred people. And I think when it comes to politics, that's one of the things that drives me crazy. We're going to ask some questions from our panelists. Rebecca, you first. Hey, Amanda, thank you so much for being on here

tonight. So tell us how, in your perfect world, how would you convince people to get involved with civics? How do you actually make civics entertaining and interesting for people actually to want to care? Because I think it's great that you got the flashcards, but how do we get the masses to want to care and be involved as well? Well, first and foremost, I want to acknowledge your eyebrows because you did that. You know that. Okay. You know, I think

we have to meet people where they are, right? And not everybody is in the same place. So, you know, you all, what you all do here is a certain energy and it meets people at a certain space. What I do on stage is I use comedy. You know, I use relatability and that meets people at a certain space. What I do on stage is I use comedy. You know, I use relatability, and that meets people at a certain space.

You know, you have folks that use music. You know, there's going to be a multi-pronged approach that has to be taken, and it has to be taken with intention. And that's what I'm really trying to say with this project and, you know, connect with other people on as well, because not all spaces are feeling like it is their responsibility to go with that intention.

So you guys work in a space that is very clear and it's very direct, but in comedy, it's not like it's very clear and direct that like we should be using this platform to use and to edutain people, right? Like that doesn't necessarily have a built-in factor in this space, but it is something that I feel very strongly about.

So I think at the end of the day, to answer your question, it really is about identifying the different pockets of people and how to get to them and who is in those pockets already that is capable. Because the other thing is we keep asking people questions that don't really know what they're talking about, like Mr. Martin said, like rappers. Oh my God. Oh Lord, don't trust me. Oh Lord. Don't get me started. Don't get me started. Okay, Robert.

Thank you so much for everything that you're working on. So I did have this question. I've noticed that on the conservative side of the aisle, they've kind of cut out the middleman between the entertainment community and politics. You know, Donald Trump got elected basically to tell

your mama jokes for a year and a half, and they made him president. Vivek Ramchani is basically doing a Borat routine right now, where I'm pretty sure you're going to see at the end that this was all a joke. Ronald Reagan was a B-movie actor. That being said, do you think instead of you trying to educate people, maybe you should use your platform and just run and be in the arena, as Teddy Roosevelt said. Baby, I don't think I'm built for the arena. I think I would get incarcerated real quick. No, I mean that I will punch somebody.

You hear me? The way that these people behave, I know myself and I know my rage. And so I feel it is better refined on the outside. But I will say this. I do believe that there is a requirement that it's going to take folks from both sides. I'm not a reformist, but I do understand that it's going to take both folks on the inside and the outside. What you're talking about is charisma. And what so many of the Democrats haven't sought out is charisma, but they've sought out white approval. And so what they're realizing at this point is that that's not going to cut it. And so much of the apathy

is coming from not just people who don't give a damn, but from white people who don't trust. So at this point, we need to change course and we need to get folks that we can believe because that's the difference. The Republicans don't care about that. They just care about folks that can say whatever needs to get said. They care about winning. They do what they need to do. That's it. Yeah, exactly. They'll just say whatever they need to get said. But progressives don't follow that line. So you've got to take a different approach. And it's going to take people who really mean

what the F they say. I mean what I say, but I'm not made for politics. I'm made for the stage. Well, you know what? 2024, I mean what I say. No, no, no. I think the reason, Amanda, the reason I totally agree with you, people, look, since I was 24, every city I've lived in, I've been asked to run for something.

And I'm like, y'all, that ain't me. Because I'm the same. I said it. I could probably start off with 20,000 votes and end up with 4,000 because I'm going to cuss a bunch of people out. I mean, I'm telling you, if a voter came to me and they said, what you going to do about our

schools? And I would go, are you a parent? Yes. Are you in the PTA? No. Well, shut the fuck up. See, I'm telling you, I mean, I would cuss a parent out asking me as a politician what they're going to do about their schools if your sorry ass can't even join the PTA and your kid goes to that school. See, right there, I'm going to lose all the votes in that house. It's time coming down.

I'm happy to say it. I know. I'm going to cuss a voter out. No, you're not wrong. See, I don't know that I would cuss the voters out. I'm able to say it. I know. I'm going to cuss a voter out. I mean. No, you're not wrong. See, I don't know that I would cuss the voters out. I would. I look at what Justin Pearson, I look at what Representative Pearson and Representative Jones are dealing with in Tennessee.

And I would have been Solange in the elevator had one of them fools come in my face telling me I don't belong here. So I just already know that I am not cut for that. But what I am cut for is doing whatever I can with my intellect, my platform, and my voice to lend to this cause that we need to understand is imperative. You said something in the panel earlier. We are in a state of crisis. And I don't think enough people think that. And I know enough smart people don't think that. Boom. But I see it.

Absolutely. All right. Martha's But I see it. Absolutely. All right, Martha's Vineyard, Scott Bolden. Hey, Amanda. My name is Kappa Alpha Psi Incorporated. Don't nobody care about that little youth group. Don't nobody care about that little youth group.

I really do want to ask the question, and Roland doesn't have to be a politician to curse you out, trust me, but what are the three things you've learned in making this docuseries, and what are you going to do with those things that you've learned? One thing that I learned is that a lot of people don't truly understand the way the three branches of government actually work. They don't even necessarily know what they are. And so so many people are focused on the president and have no true understanding that it is actually the Supreme Court that has got us here.

And in many, many iterations, right? Whether it's from reconstruction to now. So that was one thing that I learned. Another thing that I learned is that these processes really don't know what's going on. Like they really don't know how this works. Like even the people inside don't know how this works. You know? So when I did in Amanda, we trust and we got to interview, you know, Ilhan Omar, Representative Bowman and represent, sorry,han Omar, Representative Bowman, and we spoke to some other folks, you know, we really got to, I was really taken by the fact that this is convoluted for them. And they're in this year round. So it's like, well, if it's convoluted for y'all, then what must it be like for us on the outside, right? So that begins my mindset of like, how do we undo the puzzle?

How do we simplify the puzzle? That's my gift. My gift is using comedy and common sense to explain complex concepts and bring it down, break it down to the bone bristle. That's my gift. And so that's what I am working to do. My third thing that I learned is that

it really does matter how you look. Like in DC, you know, you can't be up in there looking raggedy. They really not going to let you in. And so I really was surprised to hear that that was not something I was just, like, you know, surmising from the outside, but that optics really matter. And I had no idea. The bonus is I had no idea that there was a seersucker day in Congress. But it makes sense because there's a lot of suckers in Congress.

Well, Amanda, first of all, when you're ready, when you're ready to take this around the country, do understand. Do understand. Amanda, do understand. Do you understand? What are you doing to me? Amanda, do you understand? Do you understand? What are you doing to me, dog? With the hat under the desk? No, doc. I was gifted this in Birmingham a couple weeks ago.

So when you travel around the country and when you do this here, I'll be happy to join you for a few of those conversations, and I guarantee you the brothers of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Incorporated will be there in full force

with our Voteless People is a Hopeless People campaign. And so, again, Scott Bolden, this is a real fraternity right here. We don't play. Amanda, tell everybody... I'm just saying...

Hey, I'm... Now sit right down that shelf just so you know. So you know and it's it's right above that John H Johnson media award. I was given who was founded every magazine who was an alpha. The documentary- Flex, flex, flex. Do you use all that like Captain America? Hey, hey, hey, hey.

The rest of y'all want to talk, get your own damn show. The documentary is called In Amanda We Trust. Amanda, tell everybody where they can go watch it. You can go to inamandawetrust.com if you want to bring me to your school, your university, your business, et cetera, your community, you can go to AmandaSeals.com and go to the contact page. This is an independent project that was produced from my pockets and from my heart for the people.

So hopefully you all will support. Well, we're going to push it on social media. Anything, need any more help, holler at a brother. We'll hook you up because, trust me, we got to get out. I keep telling you, we are in a period of voter education between now and I say the end of September next year, so the next 12 months, a total focus on voter education.

Yes. Please let me know how I can be a part of that with you. Gotcha. All right. Will do. All right. Appreciate it. Thank y'all. All right. Thanks a bunch. All right. Right here. Scott Bold. Thank y'all. All right. Thanks a bunch. Bye-bye. All right. Right here. Scott Bolden, real fraternity. Real fraternity.

I'm leaving the show early. I'm leaving the show early. I cannot take it anymore. The cowboy hat and the shield. That's too much. I've had it up to here. Wise shot, Henry. Wise shot.

Right here. Right here. We are breaking up tonight. Right here. Right here, baby are breaking up tonight. Right here. Right here, baby. Everybody, everybody ain't able. All right, y'all. Got to go to a break.

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Alright, Peter Navarro, former advisor to Donald Trump. His contempt of Congress trial began today. And y'all know every time he stands outside of court complaining to the media, it's always this white woman who's behind him. First of all, prosecutors call him arrogant as hell. Arrogant as hell. And said that he just felt like he could just flout the rules.

And so he talked yesterday. Roll a video from yesterday, y'all. Oh, my God, this video is hilarious. Check this woman out. Listen. Ha-ha. Ha-ha. Ha-ha.

Witness stand is inside. Thank you. W-W... This is what's wrong with America here. W-W-W dot defendpeter.com Come on, my man. Cut that out. Let the man talk, man. Let the man talk. Let him talk, man.

He has every right to talk. Come on, don't do that, man. Let the man talk, man. Let the man talk. Please play this on your channels. Because this is just wrong. I'm trying to speak about serious constitutional issues with you. Clown with a whistle, witch with a broom. You go figure. So, defendpeter.com. Please go there.

Help support this fighting against the attack on the separation of powers. These trials are very expensive. Peter is using my image to grip off me. Send me money. Continue. These trials are very expensive. That's part of the Democrats' welfare against us.

All right, come on, dude. Come on, dude. You know I got kidnapped because you're a client kidnapped, raped, and almost murdered by a white supremacist gang after he doxxed me. Yeah, it's time to go.

All right, we'll see you tomorrow and hopefully... Same time, same place. Hopefully free speech will... DC don't like fascists. DC don't like fascists. DC... Oh!

Love it! I love it! He's nuts! I love it. He does. I love it. He ought to find a different place to do these press conferences versus outside because there's nothing he can do about the hecklers. There's nothing he can do about them. It's just not funny.

I actually kind of feel sorry for him. I don't. I don't feel sorry. Rebecca, I don't feel sorry for his. Rebecca, I don't feel.. Rebecca, I don't feel sorry for his... Rebecca, I don't feel... No, hell no. Rebecca, I don't feel sorry for his punk ass

because that's how he actually treated other people in the White House. That's how he treated people on television. He's getting a dose of his own medicine. I love it. It just ain't right, Roland. Look, I love it. I think she's using her powers for good.

I mean, I want to see more white women allies like this actually using their potential caring ways and do the right thing. I don't understand what that black guy was doing. He has a sign saying he's a truth conductor. I don't understand that. He could have just stayed out of the frame and just let this whole thing play out. I mean, I love it. Like, even last week when she was talking about situational awareness, I've been here the entire time, and he ain't paying attention. Like, I'm here for it.

Robert, he cannot go, this is the First Amendment. She's practicing the same amendment. Oh, God. Oh, God. Was that black dude wearing the same outfit as Steven from the Django Unchained? Because I guarantee you, if you look back, that is the exact same outfit that Samuel Jackson was wearing in Django.

Like, look at it. That is the Django outfit. He is out there to defend his man, Peter, and he got the outfit on and the vest and everything. Look, the solution to this is have the press conference inside and just have it invite only. If you're going to do it on a public street and the public airways, this woman has free speech, just like you can't tell a cab

to not drive by or someone not to honk a horn or a siren. You can't tell these people to be quiet. But I think that people need to understand that these people in the Trump orbit are millionaires and can't afford criminal defense in this country. And while it's funny when we're talking about them, there's a real problem with indigent defense in America. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people who are unable to afford to defend themselves in a court of law who are unable to afford to defend themselves in a court of law. We have to reform our criminal justice system.

It's not just a simple question of police reform. We have to reform the system from the inside out. When you have a billionaire, quote-unquote, like Donald Trump, having to beg for money and Rudy Giuliani and all these other people in order to pay for their legal defense, it's to tell you the system is broken. Listen, all I want is somebody to walk up with a little sign

and say, Pete Navarro's a little bitch. You there, Roley. You can do it. If anybody, hey, hey, hey, listen. If any of y'all in D.C. get a sign and just say, Pete Navarro's a little bitch, I will run it on the show. I'm just letting y'all know, I will run it on the show. I'm just letting y'all know, I will run it on the show. Alright, y'all.

Let's go to Grand Rapids, Michigan, where the cop who shot and killed Patrick Loyola, point blank in back of the head during a routine traffic stop, he's asking the state appeals court to throw out the murder charge against him. Earlier this year, a lower court denied Christopher Scherr's motion to dismiss

the second-degree murder charge that took place April 4, 2022, when he killed Lioa. The defense argues that the Kent County Circuit Judge erred in his decision, allowing the charge to stand. The defense team says Michigan law permitted Officer Scherr to

use deadly force to prevent Lioa from fleeing and to execute his arrest under legal authority given to the officer by the state of Michigan. Scher maintains he feared for his life and shot Lioa in self-defense. Lioa's family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the city

of Grand Rapids. Folks, in our next story, and this one here, of course, is out of New York. A black man got the best birthday present ever. Y'all, this is unbelievable. This man has been sitting in prison since 1975 when he was convicted of sexual assault.

Now DNA has cleared Leonard Mack. Again, he was wrongfully convicted for rape, weapon possessions, making him the longest standing wrongful conviction in US history. In May 1975, two teenage girls were attacked while walking home from school. One was raped and the other found help at a nearby school and described the attacker as a black man in his 20s. Leonard matched the description.

He was so overwhelmed with joy, he hugged the judge who exonerated him on his 72nd birthday. Literally, Robert, this man spent 47 years in prison for a crime he did not commit. And the worst part is he's not the only one. Part of criminal defense practice is you go to jails, you go to prisons, and as you're talking to your clients, people try to stop you in the hallway. Everyone tries to plead their case to you and explain that they've been wrongfully convicted and there's not enough resources available to be able to get these people out. And also, the system is not equipped to compensate

people. How do you compensate somebody for a half century of their life being gone? How do you properly compensate people for losing, for not seeing their children grow, to seeing their families pass away while they're in custody for crimes they haven't committed? We have a problem in the criminal justice system here in America. This is an example of it. I was on Russian TV yesterday talking about this issue, that while we are going around the world spreading democracy, trying to set up court systems, accusing other people of war crimes, we have not yet cleaned up our own house here in America. When we talk about creating this agenda for African Americans in this country for the 2024 election, that has to be on the agenda. Reforming this system, the Innocence Project can only do so much.

Nonprofits can only do so much. We have to have a federal initiative in place to help exonerate many of these people and review these cases that sometimes are decades old. That's the only way we'll get justice for these individuals. Probably we have, Rebecca, you've got these conservatives across the country who do not like these progressive DAs who create these units to reexamine old cases. Too often, you have these hardcore, hard political prosecutors who say,

throw the key away, and we're not going to reexamine old cases. And we saw this happen with Craig Watkins in Texas. We saw this with Marilyn Mosby. We saw this happen in St. Louis with Kim Gardner. And these people say, oh, these assaults are a crime. No. They want to make sure that people were convicted. The right folks

are in prison. You know, and we also have to support prosecutors who are interested in doing the right thing and actually creating task force in order to review cases. And then when they do run for office like Kamala Harris or other people similar, they're not demonize them for like the positive changes that they try to do

on behalf of the people just because they were on the prosecution side. But this is actually sad to watch because I think of that gentleman who is near my dad's age. And I think about just like all that life that he was deprived of living. I think about just like all that life that he was deprived of living. I think about his family and friends who are deprived of living that particular life with him. And so while I am happy, but I'm also very sad

that this is our system. And I don't even think it could be called a criminal justice system because I don't see the justice in our system. Indeed. Let's talk about Los Angeles where a second former L.A. County Sheriff's deputy will plead guilty to violating a man's civil rights at a Compton skate park by improperly detaining him and then acting to cover up his actions. Miguel Angel Vega admitted he falsely imprisoned a 23-year-old skateboarder

identified in court documents as J.A. in his patrol car, which crashed during a subsequent chase, injuring J.A. on April 13, 2020. Vega also admitted to filing false reports to cover up his and his partner Christopher Blair Hernandez's unlawful conduct. Vega is expected to formally plead guilty next week to the one count of deprivation of rights under color of law and will face up to 10 years in federal prison. His partner Hernandez pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy in July. His sentencing hearing is set for January 8th. He's facing up to five years in federal prison. This is another win, Scott, for a Biden-Harris DOJ

that has been very aggressive in going after cops, putting a number of them in jail. And as I said, prison wardens, jail guards as well. A lot more has happened under this DOJ when it comes to holding cops accountable in prison folks than, frankly, since any administration since Robert Kennedy was attorney general. Yeah, it shows that if you put the energy into it and you're intentional about it, you will weed out, and this is just a fraction of the abuse and the corruption in our police departments across the country.

What's really interesting about this is they got a plea agreement from both of the individuals, at least one guy he pled, but this, the main actor, was just egregious conduct. I mean, he was challenged to a fight, and then they had a fight, and then they arrested him and put him in. I mean, this was just egregious personal conduct. And I often wonder, how does a police officer graduate from an academy and get to the point where he gets in a one-on-one personal dispute with someone who is minding their own business, and he went into this area, this park area, and just challenged this guy and then abused him over and over again. And then his partner, you know, if you had a system where your partner was obligated to report

bad police conduct and it affected your pay or it affected your ability to continue to be on the police force, Like you'd have like a rule called my brother's keeper, where I have to report corruption or bad conduct. Otherwise you get fired or you get a reduction in pay. You can clean this up. The police and the leadership in the police departments could clean this up right away, but police unions would never allow it. So good for DOJ and good for the good work that they're doing to try to do their best while they're in leadership at the DOJ and under the Biden administration. Folks in Georgia, a whopping 61 folks have been...

A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up. So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Business Week editor Brad Stone,

sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing.

So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution.

But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibbillion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lott. And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way.

In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug man.

Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things.

Stories matter, and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Chris Carr announced the sweeping indictment last week, labeling the defendants as militant anarchists

and alleging their support for a violent movement stemming from the 2020 racial justice protests. Five of the 61 are facing charges of domestic terrorism and arson in the first degree. Three others face 15 counts of money laundering. The Atlanta City Council approved legislation in 2021 authorizing a ground lease agreement with the Atlanta Police Foundation

to build a training facility. Since its approval, there have been clashes between police and protesters at the future site. Opposition to the facility grew after 26-year-old Emmanuel Teran was shot and killed during the January 18th raid at the site. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation said Teran opened fire on troopers as they tried to clear

the air. Robert, Rico against folks who are protesting? This is not sitting well with a bunch of people in Atlanta. Absolutely. Cop City is not sitting well with a bunch of people in Atlanta. This is something that was never brought to the people. It was passed in the dead of the night. We're going to see a lot of city council people lose their seats because of Cop City. And this happens again and again. Atlanta calls itself, you know, this chocolate city. But at the end of the day, the money special interest went out every time,

whether it's putting a stadium on the location of historic black churches, whether it's where you build the Beltline at, or this cop city situation here. And, yes, most of the RICO charges are against people who are from out of state, who are part of these environmental groups, et cetera. But part of the problem, I know everyone are celebrating the Georgia RICO statute because that's what they're using to prosecute Trump, but it's one of the most expansive RICO statutes in the country. You can be charged with a Georgia RICO violation without ever entering the state, without ever talking to anybody in the state. It's so expansive, they use it almost like a spaghetti test. You throw indictments against

the wall, you see how many people you can get to flip, and then you use that for your prosecution. It's very much often an indictment in search of a crime as opposed to the other way around, and it needs to be reformed. Just because it works out one time when they're prosecuting the Trump and his nine co-defendants, we can't ignore the fact there's been news extensively in the state to bring in people who often have not committed criminal conduct as a way to control groups and control any people who oppose government activities. It's a very scary place we are in the criminal justice system in America, and it has to be reformed on a legislative level. Folks, Philadelphia's first Black woman to lead its

police department is stepping down from her role later this month. Commissioner Danielle Outlaw started in 2020 amid COVID and interrupting protests. Those prompted criticism from the Philadelphia City Council, who called the police response brutal and unacceptable. Philadelphia had to pay out a hefty $9.25 million settlement to hundreds of protesters for actions taken by law enforcement, which Commissioner Outlaw initially defended. Her last day will be September 22nd. She will then become the Deputy Chief Security Officer of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. Wow.

So, Rebecca, you lose a city a whole bunch of money, and then you get a new job. You know, it seems to be a revolving door when it comes to law enforcement moving across the country. I think before she came from Portland, Oregon, and then right before the pandemic, she joined the Philadelphia Police Force with leading as commissioner. Yeah, you know, good luck to her. All right, folks, got to go to break.

When we come back, we're going to talk with Isaac Hayes III, who is the founder of Fanbase, about their final raise for the site. But also, I want him to school some folks out here who don't quite understand streaming and publishing and rights, things along those lines. And so we're going to chat with him next. Right here on Roller Mark Unfiltered on the Black Star Network YouTube, folks.

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glad to have you. Alright, how much you got left to raise, Isaac? We have about 1.5 million left to raise. We just crossed 3.65 million dollars, which is huge. So basically, if 2,500 people invest $600

today, the raise will close. That's really the best way to put it. Investing in fan base has really been an enormous success. I've done three of these raises. We've raised over $9.3 million. This is the last seed round I'm doing before we go to Series A because the company is about to go to another level. But I always want to provide the opportunity for people to invest. So we've raised about $3.65 million.

And the minimum to invest is $245. So once we get to $5 million, it's a wrap. It's over with. And I think that, again, when we talk about the likes of Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and WhatsApp and all these other apps, I mean, the reality is if you were just a regular, ordinary person, you couldn't invest in these companies. They would go to institutional investors, other rich folks, and the folk who truly made money, Uber, they got in early.

That's the folks who made money, not after they went public. Absolutely. Think of it as a scale. Like the more people that stand on the scale, the higher the value the company goes. And so when it comes to social media, right? So you as a user or an investor have the ability to increase the value of fan base by simply using it.

So I always say all the time, you should own part of the companies that you're using. These platforms are worth $200 billion, $300 billion, $500 billion with a B, $500 billion with a B. And there are a lot of wealthy people that own part of these companies. But yet, you know, especially kids in the black community is what makes these platforms extremely valuable. But that wealth never goes into the pockets of the people

that actually make the platforms what they are. It never does. And so when we talk about, again, how the site has grown, you launched it when? So I built Fanbase in all of 2018, launched in 2019, but I didn't raise capital till November 2020. So we're about almost three solid years of operating. And I count us really raising our first round in November and then going into 2021 with capital as when the platform really got its wings. Up until then, I was paying for it out of my own pocket. I had spent my own money to build it. But it was a learning process that I think worked out well because it brought me to equity crowdfunding. And so we started with 10,000 users at that time. When I started my

raise, now Fanbase has over 430,000 users. We're in 212 countries, including, and 212 countries on seven continents, including Antarctica, which I joke about. And so we have a large user base that is international, all over the country, Africa. And so we have a large user base that is international all over the country, Africa. And so, again, this is a global platform for people to actually monetize their content, but actually post content for free if they want to. So it's a lot of new functionality and features we're adding. Roland, you're going to love something we just added. Actually, we launched on Monday, which was actually Fanbase plus on web so think of fanbase plus on web is like your netflix or your youtube where you can actually post up to two hours worth of content

behind a paywall and now people can subscribe either on their phone or they can actually subscribe on their desktop computer so when you think of people being able to monetize podcasts reality shows talk shows content creators cooking all these things. This is a place that we wanna really make open and free for everybody to just have a direct way for people to monetize their content. Similar to what you're doing with your platform, but we're giving it to the world. We want everybody to be able to do exactly what you do.

So monetize on the front end and then actually own part of the company on the back end. Absolutely. Let's see here. Questions from our panelists. Scott, go. Yeah. Hey, I've been on the show a couple of times, seeing your interviews and stuff. Once you get to the 1.5 million, will there be another round or do you just keep growing? I mean, what's the end game here or is there an end game for that matter? Yeah. So the end game is a series A round. And so really what you have to do with companies like

this is they have to reach escape velocity growth. We've been able to build fan base, but after we do this last round, we're going to do something called a series A round. And a series A round is where you raise like a huge amount of capital because you have to spend money. And I understand that, you know, $5 million is a lot of money, you have to spend money and i and i understand that you know five million dollars is a lot of money but compared to what platforms like tick tock and instagram and facebook spend it's they probably spend that every day right so we have to take capital to be able to run this company but actually be able to hire more employees c-suite executives expand our development team expand our marketing team because without

that capital to really grow it makes it harder for us to continue to scale you can always have a moment where you go viral and you grow but we really want to make sure that we close this round so we go to series a and that's when you start looking at institutional investors and credited investors and vcs and stuff like that come in and start to invest so it's not so much just the general public having an opportunity to invest, but now the people that typically invest in companies to make them grow faster and larger, that's when those people

come in on a Series A round. So that's escape velocity. Thank you. Rebecca? Hey, it's good to see you again. Is crowdfunding the future for how Black businesses seek capital? I think so, absolutely.

With what's going on with Arian Simone and Fearless Fund, I think the way that we fund our businesses through equity crowdfunding is very disruptive. And the reason why is because now we can fund our own products, right? We can fund our own businesses that we have equity in since I started raising capital start engine I've recommended 3 other startups that have gone on to raise a million dollars themselves and another one that is launching soon. One of them is called the black bread company people don't know there's only one black owned bread company. Yeah, we had him on the show.

Exactly and so so I recommended Charles Alexander those guys to start engine they raise the million dollars onine, and I invested in the black bread company, and then I buy black bread company bread. So imagine that, that we're able to own part of social media platforms, food products, any kind of business that you can think of. Equity crowdfunding is extremely disruptive because accredited investors are the only ones that have been able to invest in these early stage companies. An accredited investor, for everybody out there listening, is just a.k.a. rich people, rich people from 1932. So I don't care if you were black, white, whoever. If you did not make over $200,000 a year for two years in a row, which is like less than 1 percent of Americans, or have a net worth of a million dollars minus your house, it was illegal for you to invest in a Facebook and Apple and Instagram and Uber. It was illegal. That sounds crazy to me because

we all could go to Vegas right now, put $5,000 on the crap table. That's not illegal. We can all go buy $5,000 worth of lottery tickets. That's not illegal. But Oral Michaels can put $5,000 into Uber. And then nine years later, it'd be worth $24 million. How come we couldn't do that? So equity crowdfunding gives everybody a seat at the table, and especially in platforms like tech with AI. We're rolling our AI into our new algorithm, stuff like that.

I'll tell you this. I feel that investing in tech startups like this is actually a better investment than crypto or nfts because it's also an asset that you can actually add value to like you can control the value that you can't control what bitcoin does right but you can control how valuable fanbase is or any company that you invest in by telling people to use a product or being supporters or users of it robert what is your strategy for attracting Black content creators to come to fan base? We saw during the pandemic, TikTok was a thing, but it wasn't until Black folks started.

A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action, and that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek.

I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Business Week editor Brad Stone,

sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated

itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season One, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season One, Taser Incorporated, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lott. And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast.

Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves.

Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug thing is. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. Got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote.

Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real.

Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. 6% in their advertising base. But the thing that still keeps it alive is really black Twitter. That's the only thing that's a lot is black Twitter and the white supremacist. I'm not quite sure how they coexist in the same space, but they do. Elon blamed the Jews for his losing advertising, trying to sue the Anti-Defamation League. Weird stuff going on. But how can we get all that black intellectual capital and trendsetting and tastemaking onto this platform

instead of making someone like Elon rich? Well, there are two things that we have to do. One, I think, is if you want to do it that way, we have to be intentional. You literally have to say, hey, I'm going to start using this platform along all the other platforms. I tell everybody, don't get rid of any of your other social media platforms, but start using fan base, add it to the queue. And I know that that's a little it might be a little uncomfortable or irritable but this one matters because fanbase is the most successful black owned startup social media startup since black planet which was 2000 right and so there's a bunch of young kids that i think also are going to change the the

trajectory of fan base because for this reason and this reason alone, younger generations are what move the culture. So these young kids, primarily black kids and kids of color, are the ones that create all the cool, create all the trends. And so really fan base is the next destination for them because they're not necessarily want to be influencers. They want to be business people. They want to monetize be influencers. They want to be business people.

They want to monetize their content. They want to be like Kai Sanat. If anybody doesn't know who Kai Sanat is, who's a very popular Twitch streamer, like they're going for the bag. And that those generation of kids are going to make way more money than this previous influencer generation because they understand subscription revenue. They understand in-app purchase capability, digital currency, all the things like that. So I think for Fanbase to scale, we definitely are focused on younger users who really want to take the platform

and carry it for the next 10 or 15 years. And then the overall community of people in general, especially people of color that just say, hey, look, our value in these platforms is where we can see um growth in our pockets by investing and being part of it today real quick thing there's a there's a there's a part of fanbase that we have called um fanbase audio which is very similar to clubhouse and clubhouse made a really big change today they changed the app and everybody's complaining and

then i got called into a room they're like we're moving to fanbase i'm like well you could have moved to fanbase a long time ago. Boom. I wasn't saying that to say bad, but I'm saying all these years that you've been here, they haven't provided any opportunity for you to monetize. Here's your chance to own a piece of the company and step on that scale, like I said, because before you leave, invest. Before you do anything, like if you're going to use the platform, cool, but there's so many people that have invested $245 into Fanbase and made that back on the platform, so now

they're actually investing in a company for free because they made the money by simply using the app to actually make money themselves. So it's like a free investment that hundreds and thousands of investors and users have seen. And a whole bunch of us are using Instagram, Facebook,

Twitter, putting all our content there, and we ain't making no money. We're making them rich. I just saw a dude today. I just saw a guy. He said he had 1.2 million views on TikTok, and he got $19. I was like, hmm. And I did the math.

TikTok pays between like $0 two cents per thousand views. If you do the math on that, that's about right. So I understand why he made that money. But again, subscriptions are the future. There's no difference between Roland and Disney Plus. The only difference is Disney Plus is paying $100 million for a season of whatever they make. And Roland's producing the content himself. And so, therefore, people want to watch what they want to watch.

So there's no difference. So what I'm saying is the future is democratization of content distribution. So everybody's going to be their own channel. That's the future. It's not going to be we're going to Netflix and Disney Plus. It's going to be we're going to Roland Martin. We're going to Fanbase. We're going to this artist, this economic advisor,

this entertainer to receive our content and subscribe the same way, not for hundreds of dollars a month, but $5 a month, $9 a month. Yeah. That's the future. It's like one of the reasons I tell people, I've had people say, oh, man, you know, I had this guy who was like, well, you know, you ain't making nothing on YouTube. I was like, man, you know, I had this guy who was like, well, you know, you ain't making nothing on YouTube. I was like, actually, you're lying.

And like what you just said. So how much is it per 1,000 on TikTok? Probably about between one and two cents per thousand views. So per 1,000 views on TikTok, one and two cents. I just checked for our 28-day average, the revenue for every 1,000 views on YouTube is $9.64. So I'm like, y'all, it comes down to the money. And what Fanbase allows is for if you have 10, 20, 30, 50,000, 100,000 fans, you take a country Wayne, okay, who had a deal with Facebook.

Now he's back on Instagram. He's also been on YouTube. The reality is if his fans say, hey, I love this video, boom, I'm going to give you some hearts. Again, he's making money from that. The reality is it's a bunch of people right now. They are posting stuff every day, multiple times a day. They're posting stories, posting reels, and they're making zero.

Zero. Zero. And what it is, is you're creating content for the platform to run ads in between. So every time you post something, they run an ad behind it. So you don't even get really any of that ad revenue. Some of the creators do, but the overall general public, the 2 billion monthly active users on Instagram don't get any of that money. So what I'm saying is for what we do on Fanbase is everybody is a business. My definition of a business is the ability to receive income for a service or a product that you provide. That means by default, every single person that has a Fanbase page has the ability to receive income for the content that they create.

There's nobody that's not a business on Fanbase. There's nobody stopping anybody from the other 212 countries from clicking a couple buttons and saying I'm subscribing to you for $299, $499, $999, $1999 a month, right? And then you get 50% of that revenue, and then you can build

a business off that. I'll simply say this. 5,000 people paying you $2.50 a month is $12,500 a'll simply say this. 5,000 people paying you $2.50 a month is $12,500 a month. That's $150,000 a year. That's more than 97% of Americans make. And that's 100% more you're going to make on Instagram. All right.

So I saw this video today where one of the artists who got his publishing back with Diddy, he was bitching and moaning and complaining and stuff like that. And I saw you comment on it, because he was like, oh, this is trash.

This is not going to earn me. I want Diddy. Send me the money. And I was listening to him, and he was complaining about, oh, no one wants these songs. Well, first of all, dude, if you didn't make a hit,

that ain't on us. I go to my iPad, and so the story came out, Sean Diddy Combs reassigned his music publishing rights to bad boy artists, including Notorious B.I.G., Mase, and Faith Evans. Now, a bunch of people, Isaac, are like, oh, this ain't nothing but just PR for Diddy. This is nothing.

It means nothing. He's raped them for all these years and making them money. Now, it's worthless. As somebody who's the son of the great Isaac Hayes and what you did not do was just sell off his rights like other people have

cashed out, explain why this matters and how the artist can actually benefit economically. Okay, so I'm not gonna, this isn't a knock against what Diddy did, but regardless of whether he wanted to do it or not, copyright law has copyrights terminating after 35 years. So whoever owns your publishing,

after 1978, from the moment that you wrote a song, let's say you wrote a song in 2000, the year 2000, in 2035, the publishing's coming back to you regardless. There's nothing that can stop that anyway. So what Diddy's probably done is give an artist their publishing back a few years, you know, five, six, seven years

before it was gonna come back anyway. Right. So he's just saying you guys can have it now because copyright law just returns the copyright to the publisher regardless. Right. Unless it was purchased outright in some sort of deal. And most of the time it doesn't it hasn't worked like that anyway. So what I think it was Mark Curry, what Mark Curry didn't understand is that before, when your song was sold in a record store, once people stopped going to record stores, the sales of your song plummeted. You never would make a penny off them again. Streaming has given an infinite life

to every song that's ever existed by people being able to find and discover your music and listen to it. So you see songs from 10, 15 years ago, like Sure Thing by Miguel going viral. That song came out in 2009. It started, it just went viral this year in 2023. Wow. Imagine a song you wrote in 2009, all these kids discover in 2023, and you've made more money than

you ever made in this year than you did the 15 years before you wrote the song. That's what Mark Curry doesn't understand. Songs that his name is on could go viral. On top of that, the Copyright Association of America lost, I mean, won a settlement against all the streaming services to increase the royalty rate

that they pay, which used to be 10.5 cents to, by the time it's 2027, it'll be 15.35 cents, I mean, 15.35 cents. I mean, 15.35% of streaming. So that's like a 65% increase in royalties. So if you made a dollar, right, off streaming, by 2027, you'll make $1.50.

So if you make a million dollars, you're going to make $1.5 million. If you make, you know what I'm saying, 10 million, you'll make 15 million. So it's an enormous increase. It should be more, and know what I'm saying, $10 million, you'll make $15 million. So it's an enormous increase. It should be more, and hopefully it will be more. But he doesn't understand that there's an infinite life cycle now to publishing. You never know when somebody's going to take your dance and make it go viral on social media.

Somebody's going to use it in a commercial. So I think he's a little short-sighted on what he said. And it might be a little just, you know, sour grapes there. And I can understand that that happens with artists in the music business all the time, but he's absolutely wrong about it doesn't have any value because all these hedge funds wouldn't be going around trying to buy catalogs, including everybody

that tried to buy my father's catalog like crazy and spend millions and millions of dollars to get it if there was no value in the publishing. And the thing is, when you talk about the publishing game, how about, Mark Curry, how about Mark Curry? You should be pushing your music for folks who ain't never heard of you. Because they might go, yo, I like that. I mean, you're absolutely right.

The other day, I was sitting here. I heard a song. I don't know where in the hell I was. And again, I hear music all the time. I hear music in the store, in the mall. I hear, I might hear it in a commercial. I think I looked it up and I was like,

yo, that came out in 93? And here I am playing it over and over and over again on Apple Music. Shazam. Shazam is what does it. It's the ability to, so music is now like it's infinite because the only way I could discover an old song is I'd have to go to the mom and pop store, dig through the crates, pull it out, put it up, you know what I'm saying?

Find it, find the CD or the eight track or whatever, or the record and listen to it. Now all you do is click a button and type a name in the platters, you know, Otis Redding, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, like that Billie Holiday, like, and then once I listen, that money goes to those artists or whoever owns the publishing. So again, people having that publishing back is enormous. And then, like, again, you don't know who's gonna, you don't know if Drake's

gonna take one of the songs that Mark Curry wrote on and put in one of his records and make it this phenomenal hit record that goes crazy and makes millions of dollars, too. So, you know, publishing is the gift that keeps on giving. I call it musical real estate. You own it until you sell it. It has an infinite, like it has a value. And anytime somebody wants to come and build something on top of your real estate, they have to pay you. So every time somebody wants to sample one of my father's records, they have to pay us. And then we get a portion of the new property. So that new song

makes a million dollars. And we say we want 25% of that and we get $250,000 of that song. So I think he's short-sighted. He doesn't understand, and I think he's part of some records that I think will make a good amount of money. He just doesn't know it yet. It's amazing. When you don't know, you don't know. For the folks who want to invest

in Fanbase, where do they go? They go to startengine.com slash fanbase, right? Say that one more time. startengine.com slash fanbase where do they go they go to start engine dot com slash fanbase right um say that one more time start engine dot com slash fanbase uh the minimum to invest in fanbase is 245 dollars um it's an amazing opportunity and this like what's i say about evaluation is once this round closes fanbase is valued at 85 million dollars that was the valuation that fanbase was valued at september of last year once this round closes we've added over 200 000 users this year i think alone so fanbase's value is not going to be 85 million dollars in series a it's going to be way more than that and so i keep telling people don't don't miss out on the

opportunity to actually own part of this company i'm extremely confident in what the team is building it's a very solid product the tech is sensational um we got new functionality added all the time so again photo video live stories audio chat long form video up to two hours um anybody can make a profile or a page it's free to download free to use it's on ios and android invest you know like i said 600 i said 2500 people investing $600 gets us to 1.5 million dollars. So that's you know, say we can do that today and when I do programs like these the word kind of gets out and I'm doing a couple other programs tomorrow stuff like that. So I'm really no focusing on closing his rage

going right into the fall to series a. So as before we go I to ask a couple quick questions. Somebody said, if you invest in fan base, are you obligated to use it? Yo ass should be using it. You using shit right now for free you ain't investing in. Look, I'm not going to. But it would be in your best interest to.

I'm not going to call out Grace Wisher's name. Look, I mean, investing is something. I mean, Grace might be somebody that's not into social media but looks at fan base. She commenting on the YouTube chat right now. Oh, okay. Well, then, yeah, she's on YouTube then. But she might not be a social media user,

but she can still invest. I know that. I'm just saying. But, Grace, yes, Grace, if you invested in it, use it. Yeah, Grace. All right. So somebody else had a comment. Let me find this damn comment.

They're like, oh, it ain't going to get called out right now. And so it was another question about, oh, okay. Folks, somebody said, if I invest, how long will it take for me to get my money back? Folks, this is, you're making an investment. There's no guarantee you're getting your money back. But here's the key. You want this. You're taking a risk, but you want it to mature.

And so the people who bought Apple stock early and held on to it, people who bought Nike stock, they worth a whole lot because they didn't sell it and get rid of it. And one of the mistakes, historically, Isaac, that African-Americans have made, a lot of people don't know that John H. Johnson had the cable rights in Chicago. Percy Sutton had the cable rights

in New York City. They sold those franchises early. Had they held on, had Percy Sutton or John H. Johnson said, you know what, let's build it from here,

they could be today's Comcast. Oh, yeah. Or Spectrum. So we just got to understand, is that all? You got to think long-term. Final comment, go ahead. Well, I mean, yeah, investing is a long-term game, especially in seed-stage startups. I think the people that bought Apple stock,

they still probably have their stock. Even if they sell some of it, let's say you had $100,000 worth of stock or $5,000 worth of stock in the 80s, and now it's worth $50 million. Okay, I'm going to sell $2 million of it and put that in my pocket. I still got $48 million worth of wealth. I think people don't understand how the game works. And that's why I really love equity crowdfunding, because it gives people a seat at the table that they never consider. They don't want you in the room. They don't want you to own part of Instagram and Uber and stuff like that because the rich opportunities are usually left for the wealthy. This is an everyman's game. You know, equity crowdfunding is an everyman's opportunity. Fanbase is an everyman's opportunity.

I don't care what race you are, what age you are. This is your chance to own part of it. Like I said, it's a more solid investment than crypto. I'll tell you that much. It's a more solid investment than NFT. I'll tell you that much. And people are throwing millions and millions of dollars at that. This is actually a product that you can download and use and actually make money on the front end and then have equity on the back end. And if you don't feel like fan base is something that you'll use, tell your kids about it. And if they don't use it, tell them to tell their grandkids about it. Trust me. Somebody can't. Ten years from now, fan base will be one of the top media companies in the world, in the entire planet.

You'll remember these conversations because this is how all these companies start. They start very small, very hungry, very disruptive, and very aggressive. Well, I invested. And I got to end it on this one here. And Scott, don't choke on this one. Rebecca, don't choke. This person, BB, said, I'm not on any social media. This is just, y'all just, do y'all understand?

I'm not on any social media because I don't have time for it. Cool. And just invest $245. No, no, no, no, no. This is what they type in the chat room on YouTube. That's social media.

And you have time for it. Okay. All right. Isaac, I... Hey, I'm just saying. Isaac, I appreciate it, man. Thanks a lot. Thank you, man. Robert, thanks a bunch. Rebecca, thanks a bunch. Lil Kappa, thanks a bunch.

Let me just say my name. Say my name. Say my name. Aloysius Scott Bolden. Your ass want to come on here and talk about A. Scott. That's some bougie shit. Can we just go ahead and say that's some bougie shit. I mean, can we just go ahead and say that's some bougie shit?

I mean, Rebecca, how many black people who are not preachers do you know walk around going, my initial, it's A. Scott. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't play with it. Don't play with it. Don't play with it. It's A. A.

Don't play with it. Really? Really? Please don't play with it. Like, really? Like what? Like what? Like what? You don't really, really, like, like, really? Like what, like what? Did you, like what? You don't like, you didn't like your first name?

You know, you know, it's funny, man. When I graduated from law school, I changed from Alan Scott Bolton to A. Scott Bolton. My mother, before she passed away, said, boy, I didn't name you that. Your first name, Alan, you ain't proud of your first name. See, right there. Right there. Sustained. Your mama about to become an ancestor going,

that's some bullshit. Your name Allen. Your name ain't Scott. It sounded more loyally, ain't Scott Bowles. I bet your mama cussed you out. Some of her last words were, you're full of shit. Your name, Allen, ain't no damn Scott. See, I'm with your mama.

Man, y'all black people, yeah, just so bougie. So bougie. That's a true story, too. Right. You see, you walk on your ass by Martha's Vineyard. Hi, I'm A. Scott Bolden. Hi, I'm A. Scott Bolden. Hi, I'm A. Scott Bolden. It has a nice ring to it. You have to

admit. Yes. Hi. It's a very nice ring. Hello, how are you? I'm A. Scott Bolden. Yes. And when I wear my ascot, it really sounds better and it looks better. Like, I'm A. Scott. Like, I'm A. Scott Bolden. And then you got somebody with a mohawk. Man, his punk ass name Alan. His ass ain't no A. Scott. Like, I'm A. Scott Bolden. And then you got somebody with a mohawk.

Man, his punk ass name Allen. His ass ain't no A. Scott. All right. I got to go. All right. Rebecca Scott, appreciate it. Yes, yes. A. Scott, thank you so much for being on the show.

Okay. You're not going to defend me. You're just sitting there listening. Yes, your boozy ass. It's rarefied air. I mean, when you say A. Scott Bolden, it sounds very raref listen. Yes, your bougie ass. It's rarefied air. I mean, when you say it's rarefied. It sounds very rarefied. Yes, yes.

So those of you, though, we booked. Rollers pay you a compliment. We booked the bougie Negroes on the show. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. We have something to say, too. No, you don't. All right, too. No, you don't.

All right. Wait. No, before you go. No, you don't. Hold on. Before you go, your argument with me and Robert on Tim Scott, I've been doing this show for about five years, seven years. When the George Floyd bill was being argued,

you argued the direct opposite. You go back and look at your video. You blame the Biden administration for not doing more. Actually, see, here's the whole deal. See,

here's always the mistake. Here's always the mistake when you talk to an alpha. First of all, don't reopen a can of whip ass. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to look myself. No, no, no. Actually, what you're asking me to do is go get a folding chair for your ass.

That's what you're asking me to do. I'm telling you, I'll remember those conversations. Here is what I said. What I said was, when it was in the House, I said the Biden administration should be as aggressive on the George Floyd Justice Act as they were when it came to the 300 meetings with the infrastructure bill. Exactly. Excuse me, I'm not done yet. Then it passed the House. as they were when it came to the 300 meetings with the infrastructure bill.

Excuse me, I'm not done yet. Then it passed the House. Then it went to the Senate. I know for a fact because I talked to the people who were sitting at the table when Senator Tim Scott and Senator Lindsey Graham promised the families, and they said, we are going to get the eight votes.

Monique Presley was sitting there with Ben Crump and others. And what then happened was they were going through the various negotiations and they were making progress. Two of the three law enforcement organizations were standing with them, including the Fraternal Order of Police. What Tim Scott did was, there was a sheriff, a notorious sheriff in South Carolina who heads the State Sheriff's Association. He had him to send a letter criticizing it, and he used that as the basis for saying, we can't move forward.

And then he went on Face the Nation and told Margaret Brennan that the Democrats want to defund the police and he said, quote, that was a bridge gone too far. Even though a year earlier, based upon a story from Michael Herrod in The Root, Tim Scott

in his own bill said, if you don't pass these measures, you can't apply for the money. That is what has happened. I don't think me and Robert disagree with anything you said. What we disagree with you is, instead of blaming Tim Scott, you should blame Tim Scott and the Biden administration

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And he has yet to talk to them more than a year later. I made my point. Those are facts. I made my point. And yes, and you have been and you have been corrected for the second time. I'll my point. Those are facts. I made my point. And you have been corrected for the second time. So, Roland, can I say something here?

Go ahead. So, look, for the average voter, they don't understand that nuance. And one thing that I will say... That's why they should watch the show. They absolutely should. All of us can agree that Donald Trump is an existential threat to black Americans, is an existential threat to Americans, period. I think that's something that all of us can agree on.

I think we can also say that there is a lot that the Biden-Harris administration has done that's been positive for black communities in America. But they also need to message it better and they need to lead with that and talk about it more. That is a separate conversation than what actually happened. I agree on messaging. I agree on articulating what you did and what you accomplished and how certain things failed,

but I will assign blame where blame should be rightfully assigned. Again, Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott, Republicans from South Carolina, looked those families in the eye and said, we are going to get the eight Republican votes. And we don't disagree with you. So don't disagree with that. I just think your blame should be brought. But anyway, let's get out of here. Time for you to say. And to clarify, 60 is needed to end debate,

i.e. to bring about closure. And you only need 50 plus one to actually pass a bill into law. I just want to clarify that. And you need 50 plus one. And when you have Cinnamon and Manchin standing there, you only got 48. Facts.

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