#RolandMartinUnfiltered - GA Family Views Bodycam Video, Wants Cop Arrested, Voting Rights Battle, Child Poverty Rate Rising

Episode Date: September 15, 2023

9.14.2023 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: GA Family Views Bodycam Video, Wants Cop Arrested, Voting Rights Battle, Child Poverty Rate Rising A Georgia family sees what led up to the death of their 62-year-old father, who an Atlanta police officer tased.  After viewing the bodycam video, they want the officer charged with Johnny Hollman, Senior's death.  The family attorney and Mr. Hollman's daughter will be here to describe what they saw in the video.  The Voting Rights Act is in jeopardy.  Justice Correspondent Elie Mystal will explain how Brett Kavanaugh inspired Alabama Republicans to destroy the Voting Rights Act. Vice President Kamala Harris kicks off her 7-state Fight For Our Freedoms College Tour.  She was in Hampton today, and we'll show you some of what happened there.  The child poverty rate has more than doubled in recent years.  We'll examine how Congress dropped the ball when it declined to pass the child tax credit.  Why is Colorado State's head football coach going after Deion Sanders and what he wears during an interview?  But it's the pot calling the kettle black.  We have the receipts.  Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. "See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Johnny Holman Sr., he was involved in a minor traffic accident, folks. Now, it's not clear why things escalated. Now, remember, we discussed this before. Johnny was the one who called the cops. When the family arrived at the scene, they saw their father lying motionless on the ground with paramedics performing CPR after he was tased by a police officer. The unnamed officer is on lead as the Georgia Bureau of Investigation looks into this case. Body cam footage has not been released publicly, but the family, they have not been able to see

the video. Family attorney, Mama Lee Mel Davis and Johnny Holman's daughter, Arnitra Holman, join me right now from Atlanta. Glad to have both of you, unfortunately, under these circumstances. Sorry, Arnitra, for the loss of your father. Mawali, what does the body cam video show? How long does the video, because y'all got an opportunity to actually see it today, correct? You're mute. Not sure why you're mute. Make sure you're not. Make sure your button is not. We saw

a five-minute segment. Now we got you. Now we got you. Go ahead. I appreciate it, Roland. We saw a five-minute segment of it. That was it. But that five minutes was very telling. What we were confused about was what would be the basis to use force to tase someone after he waited for over an hour in a traffic accident. And what we found was that this officer was demanding that Mr. Holloman sign

a ticket. And so Deacon Holloman was saying he wasn't responsible. He asked this young officer, 23 years old, if he could bring the sergeant out. The officer was so irate by this request. He says, you're going to sign this ticket. I don't care if you call your priest or your wife, but you're going to sign this ticket. And so as Mr. Holman is saying, I'll sign the ticket, I'll sign the ticket. The officer grabs his arm, does a leg sweep and takes him to the ground. And then he begins to push his face into the asphalt and then he begins to tase him. So what we are very clear about, that this violence, this police violence used against Deacon Holman was absolutely without any basis, none whatsoever. He was not fighting him. He did not have a weapon. There

was no reason for this to happen. And that video, in that video, the deacon literally says, I can't breathe, nearly between 13 and 16 times. He was calling out for help. It was deeply disturbing, and it was hard for the family to view. Okay. First of all, I know in some states, you required to sign tickets and some other states you don't have to. What does Georgia law say? Are you required to sign a ticket? You are, but there are two prongs to the signing of the ticket. The first thing the officer has to do is to tell you that by signing the ticket, this is not an admission of guilt.

And the second is that if you don't sign the ticket, they will have to take you in front of a judge and that you can be arrested. The officer failed on the second prong. He did not do that. And this is strictly followed. In fact, there are cases that have been decided here in Georgia that says if you don't do both prongs, then any evidence, the arrest is unlawful. And that was the status that Mr. Hallman was in. Additionally, he never refused. He hesitated and he asked for a sergeant. But when the officer became more aggressive, he said, I'll sign the ticket. He repeated it three times. And the officer ignored his willingness to sign the ticket and decides that he's going to take him down

and then begin to physically assault him and tase him. R.D. Trae, obviously, it had to be difficult to see this video because when youall arrived, your father was motionless. I mean, these literally are the last images of him being alive. Yes, very emotional. Remember, when he was calling, he was calling me. So he dialed my number to let me know what was going on but he never actually got a chance to physically like you know speak with me he had me on speakerphone he called out for me twice he said baby baby and then after that i could just hear the officer being very aggressive with my father i could hear my father you know asking him like why are you doing an old man like me like this?

And I could just hear the officer still being aggressive, cursing at my father, using profanity. He was going back and forth. My father was telling him I did nothing wrong. And he was just trying to plead with him. And this officer was still aggressive. So for those 17 minutes and 46 seconds that I stayed on the phone, it was very disturbing to now watch this video because it only confirmed what I already knew. So when I initially got on the scene, those were my first words. Like, you killed my father. Like, you killed, y'all killed my daddy.

Like, I knew the way they was being in his chest trying to revive him. But once I didn't hear my daddy speak anymore after he was asking for help, after he was telling them he could not breathe, I knew, I felt it in my spirit, my daddy was gone already. Well, Willie, the thing that, again, this is, it's a ticket. Right. So all a cop has to do, all a cop has to do is, as you said, read that stuff off. Here you go. And you say the video shows him saying, okay, I'll go ahead and sign the ticket. Three times he says it. And Roland, here's what is so sinister about the way the city has moved on this. While we are in there watching the video, they released a statement that said they now have a new policy which an officer will not arrest anyone for refusing to sign a ticket.

Instead, they will just write refuse to sign ticket on ticket, and then allow them to go about their way. And they don't tell us that they're going to release this new, um, policy. They just do it while we're inside, anticipating that when we come out, and the family literally... Arnitra fell to the floor when she saw that they killed her father over his hesitancy to sign a ticket.

It just was, this is one of the worst that we have seen. And we've been, our firm has been handling cases in Georgia for 15 years. We haven't seen anything like this before because it's so illogical. He didn't have a weapon, nothing. It's just he was asking questions and the officer and the way he talked to him it was just so outside of what you would expect from a young black man to speak

to an elder. He told him, lower your voice. Why are you yelling? I mean, just talk to him. So you're saying the officer you said the officer involved here was a young African-American? Yes, Officer Kimbrough, young African-American who, again, I shared with some organizers earlier, this was totally outside the context of our culture as a people for a 23-year-old to talk to a 62-year-old in that way. The only place that you can do that is within police culture, right? And so this is the alien

culture that Black, white, Latino officers adopt, a culture that says whatever or however you were raised, you can let that go. You don't have to respect anyone because you got a badge and a gun. And that is what's so troubling about the way this whole thing was handled. And so the family has been asking for this entire video to be released to the public. The world should see what happened to Deacon Holloman. They should see it. Beyond sad. beyond sad um mawuli our nature we certainly appreciate both of you joining us um last question have the police indicated when they plan to release this foot body cam footage publicly no that's why we need your viewers, the listeners to make the demand.

This is about transparency and accountability. We are living in a world now where there's no reason to hold this kind of information. They released it in Tyree Nichols. They've released it in George Floyd. They've released it in all of these other cases. And Atlanta sits as the center of the civil rights movement. We have to do better. We have to lead in a way through our actions and not just our words.

Indeed. All right. Michelle, I appreciate you both of us being with us. Thank you so very much. Thank you. We appreciate you, Roland. Folks, we're going to talk about this on the flip side of our panel when we come back from this break, if you're watching on YouTube, be sure to hit the Like button. Also, we want those of you to support us in what we do

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These things continue. And this is a case where Holman gets in a car accident. He calls the cops. And now, based upon what we heard from the attorney and his daughter, the arrogant cop gets mad and you're going to sign this ticket? You're talking to an old black man. I don't care if you're talking to a young black man.

If somebody's ranting and screaming, that's all the cop has to say. Are you done? Right. When you're done, simply sign this ticket and you can go on about your day and you get in the car. But no, what these

cops do is they do not de-escalate. They choose to escalate because what they know is they have a gun and a badge and a taser, and they can act with impunity. Absolutely. I mean, it's just, it's a lynching. That's what it is. You know, when you sit up there and you get involved in a minor traffic accident, it wasn't like this man was in a high-speed chase going through multiple cities and had 100 cops on his tail. Like, it was a minor traffic accident, and it escalated to the point of being murdered by this police officer. And, you know, just the fact that it's a Black person

just makes it that much more heinous. I know some people seem to think that we only care when a white person kills a black person or a white cop kills a black person. But if you're a black cop out there killing people, y'all ask you to go to jail, too. Ain't nobody having no sympathy for you or no kind of, you know, leeway for you. But it's really just disgusting. And I know that the city of Atlanta changed their practices so that the officer just has to write, refuse to sign afterwards. But why do you have to anticipate every single possible way that these cops can turn a simple interaction into a murderous situation by policy? Because these people are out here acting with impunity and they're bored and they feel like i don't have shit to do better to do right now i'm not solving crime i'm not

solving carjackings i'm not solving anything that's actually going wrong in society i'm just gonna mess with this uh you know this deacon of a church and so i'm appalled by what happened i was trying to see what kind of disciplinary action was taken against him but i do agree with with your guest who said that Atlanta really is at the forefront of the civil rights movement when you're talking about criminal justice because of what's happening with people being, you know, dying in prisons, getting killed in prisons, and with the police down there. Something absolutely needs to be done about the Atlanta PD. online to PD? You know, Lauren, I guess what angers me, what drives me crazy is that we've done so many of these stories. I mean, so many of these stories. And it's sort of, when I think about this, I think about when I see a story of a young brother, dudes bump into each other, and words escalate.

Somebody gets shot and killed. and you sit here and you go, innocent life taken, and it makes no sense. In fact, I'm here in Chicago, and I remember there was a major basketball player here in Chicago. Name is Ben Wilson. And the thing that's crazy, I saw a 30 for 30 documentary. And different stories are told. This kid literally was LeBron James before LeBron James. We should be talking about him as a Hall of Famer right now. Altercation takes place.

Some say words were exchanged. Others say it was demand for his wallet. Bottom line, brother shot and killed. When I see these stories, so-and-so stepped on my shoe. Ends up somebody being viciously beaten, somebody being murdered. You go, really for stepping on your shoe? Yet we see these stories and I remember when the 20th anniversary of the Million Man March and they were lining up, the Fruit of Islam was lining up for Benazir Farah to come in.

And I had a member of the Fruit of Islam who got in my face, told us we need to cross this wall and got like literally up my face and said, if you don't do what I say, I'm going to break you in half. This is literally how I responded. Now, I could have started yelling, cussing. I could have. But what the brother didn't realize is, dude, I'm actually helping you out right now.

Because if I call Mustafa Muhammad, I'm sorry, Mustafa Farrakhan, or call Mr. Farrakhan, you're going to have a problem. Now, how I handle it was how I was supposed to handle it. I'm not about to sit here and get into no argument and no yelling because, first of all, dude, you're wrong, and the minister will tell you in a heartbeat you're wrong. But, again, I de-escalated. I could have responded with all of that energy. I ain't wasting my time.

And this is what I'm trying to ask when I tell young brothers, don't respond to nonsense with heightened energy. Because then all you're going to do is take somebody else and now this thing goes. That's the problem I have with so many of these cops. They refuse to de-escalate. They refuse to bring it down. They refuse to sit here and say, and go quiet and say, sure, let me know when you're done. What do you mean when I'm done? A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding.

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In this situation, though, I think one of the key facts here is a 23-year-old cop. And I'm telling you right now, as somebody who's been stopped, I do a lot of driving. I really enjoy driving. And even though I grew up in New York, the other half of my family's in Virginia, so I've had to spend a lot of my life going up and down 95. I've been stopped in Nebraska. I've been stopped in Virginia several times. I've been stopped in Washington, D.C. Last time I got stopped actually was in Arlington, Virginia. Young cop. There's nothing that makes me more nervous when I get stopped than to look into my rearview mirror and see a young cop. You know, the last time I was stopped, same exact situation. I

had to sign the ticket. I did a slow roll through a stop sign. I was actually on my way to William T. Newman's retirement ceremony, the husband of Sheila Johnson, in Arlington. And the cop was perfectly polite. Everything was great. I did have to sign the ticket. He did say signing the thing was not an admission of guilt. But to your point, I do think that there's a problem in this country with regard to the qualifications for police officers. This is somebody who can take away your liberty, take away your life, take away your freedom in an instant.

And during the break, I texted my boyfriend, who's a federal police officer. This is for federal police. You can be 21 years old and be a federal police officer. Starting salary is $77,000. That scares me. I thought it was a little higher than that. I have seen jurisdictions where the requirement for police was two years of college required or two years of military required. There probably should be an age requirement, because people who are young, who have very limited life experience, do not do what you just said, Roland, which is think about

what you're doing. Think about the scope of the inaneness and sort of the routineness of writing a ticket. Most of these cops do have to go through some field training, FTO training, which is basically you're paired with a senior cop for a period of time. But this is stupidity. You know, a 23-year-old cop, that right there is the answer to this happening. And we cannot get into this cycle, in my view, when we see tapes like the Eric Garner situation or George Floyd or no stories like Breonna Taylor. We cannot get used to this, you know, this idea that people should just be dying on routine traffic stops. He called the police for an accident, which is a non-confrontational problem. And somebody ends up dead because a 23-year-old cop decides to

escalate instead of de-escalating. So the age of the cop, I think, is a huge factor here. But also, to Recy's point, we've got enough law enforcement in this country. You know, when people are getting stopped for these trivial matters and these jurisdictions are making money off of it, after what we saw with Jennings, with the Ferguson thing, with Michael Brown being shot for absolutely no reason, there's something going on with, I think, having a few too many cops around, because this is the type of trivial type of thing that should have never led to any of this. So there it is. You know, I was Greg. I was talking to comedian Gary Owen and he was an MP when he was in the military.

And it was it was was, it was, it was when I had my TV one show and I think we were discussing, I think we probably had one of these stories where somebody had been shot and killed by cops. And Gary was on for something else, but he wanted to comment. And he, I remember him saying,

he's like, I was an MP. He said, and I can tell you, I DS, he said,, I was an MP. He said, and I can tell you, I de-escalated. He said, I dealt with drunk colonels, generals, privates. And he said, I probably de-escalated far more situations when I could have easily escalated. And that's what we're talking about here. If we roll through all of these previous examples of story after story, somebody being pulled over for a light, a license plate, a tag hanging from. And nearly all of those cases, it's a cop just, you know, all the bravado as opposed to bringing it down and calming people. I remember the Sandra Bland case.

That cop knew at the moment, he knew how to agitate her. And remember when she was just, he goes, are you finished? And then ordered her to put out her cigarette. And he knew she was agitated. And he knew she was going to say no. And there was no basis for him to say, put the cigarette out. But he knew at the moment he gave a lawful command for her to get out of the car, she had to comply even if she knew it was wrong. And that's why she got arrested, and that's what too many of these cops do.

This is the kind of crap they pull. And you should have police chiefs who say, that's not the kind of person I want on my police force. You're gone. Absolutely wrong. Well, and therein lies part of the problem. And of course, his authorization there in Texas was his shriveled manhood. These are human beings who are unfit for any office or any job that would have them with some form of unequal power relationship with other human beings. But that's why they apply for the job, these types, after all. You know, today, tomorrow will mark the 60th anniversary of the murder of Addie Mae Collins

and Cynthia Wesley and Denise McNair and Carol Robeson in 16th Street Baptist Church. And today in class, I showed the students the story of the two young boys that were killed that day in Birmingham. Virgil Ware, who was shot by some punk white supremacists who were actually out celebrating the deaths at 16th Street Baptist Church. They were out celebrating and they shot this little boy while he and his brother were delivering the Sunday newspaper and he died in his brother's arms.

But the one I want to focus on momentarily is 16-year-old Johnny Robinson, who was shot in the back by a punk-ass cop in Birmingham. Nobody ever went to jail for the murders of Ware and Robinson. But I bring that up because that was 1963 in Birmingham with a full-blooded racist police force. Atlanta, like Memphis, in contrast, is now run by black people. And Atlanta is probably the biggest and best case study

in the United States of America on the triumphs and the limits of the civil rights movement. Just because you are black doesn't mean that you will do justice. And as Mowley Davis, one of our best attorneys, a brother who I've known for a very long time, who's always out there freedom fighting, said today, this is a culture of impunity. Once you don that blue uniform, you're no longer black. You're part of the blue gang, the blue clan.

In the case of Karan Kimbrough, the 23-year-old cop, a graduate of Alabama Agricultural and Mechanical University, by the way, so he has a college degree. In the case of Karan Kimbrough, his huskiness was born with the cop courage of his badge and his uniform. He not only needs to be punished. department, again, black people issuing a press release saying that this brother resisted arrest, and then very quickly, with the shriveled courage of their funky mechanism, their funky administrative mechanism, certainly in collusion with whatever lawmakers and policymakers are in the city of Atlanta at this time, decided to change the policy. And of course, I'm sure that Mowley's going to have a field day with that as almost like an admission of guilt. Now you can just sign for the ticket.

Well, let's tell you something, you retrobates. Let's tell you something, you people who think that you can hide behind your skin color in a city that shows you the limits of civil rights movements. Once you have donned the office of police, you have become an open enemy of our people. Again, I echo the words of Jay Dilla in F to Police. We could lose a few of them. We have enough of them. We have to understand that this is not going to end until we end it.

And it's not going to be about electing black people to office. It's going to be about putting black policymakers in place who look beyond skin color to see the truth and justice. The police cannot be reformed. They must be dismantled and remade. Folks, hold tight one second. Got to come back. We'll talk about Alabama, how white Republicans there continue to deny black folks voters. And they are hoping and praying that one hardcore right-wing Supreme Court justice going to allow their case to go back before the Supreme Court.

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and now they are trying to appeal to the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court does not hear their appeal, then they're going to have to abide by a special master who would redraw the lines. The special master has until September 25th to redraw these lines. So what could happen here? Well, Elie Mistel of the nation wrote a piece where he said the person who they are hoping

and banking on is Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. Elie Jones is right now. Elie, glad to have you back on Roller Martin Unfiltered. Unpack why you lay out that Brett Kavanaugh is their secret weapon. They are just hoping he's the guy who goes, yes, let's let them come back and re-argue this case. Ellie, you're on mute. Ellie, you're on mute. Ellie, you're on mute. Ellie has muted himself. That was a kid-level situation. Sorry. Anyway, to understand how Brett Kavanaugh plays a role here, we have to back up for a second and remember how we got here in the first place.

Alabama issued racist maps after the 2020 census. Alabama has seven congressional districts. Alabama is 26 percent black. Two divided by seven equals 28 percent. There should be two majority minority districts in Alabama. Alabama produced maps that only resulted in one. All right. So they were sued by the NAACP and others. It went all the way to the Supreme Court in a surprising 5-4 decision. John Roberts and Brett Kavanaugh joined the liberals

in saying that the Alabama maps were an unconstitutional racial gerrymander and they had to redraw the maps. So Alabama takes that decision and is like, yeah, screw you. We're not going to do what you say. Instead of redrawing the maps to make two majority-minority districts, they take one district that was 30 percent Black, they make it 40 percent Black, you're still not going to elect a Black congressperson in that district, and sends it back and says, we're done. They are sued again, as you pointed out, a 217-page scathing decision from a unanimous three-judge panel ruled that Alabama was again in violation of the Constitution and the Supreme Court and appointed the special master to redraw their maps. but they're appealing to the Supreme Court again. And this time they're using an argument specifically asked for by Brett Kavanaugh.

Because when Kavanaugh joined Roberts and the liberals in the Alabama case the first time, he explicitly said, hey, maybe the Voting Rights Act has outlived its usefulness. The exact quote from the decision is, the Voting Rights Act cannot be extended indefinitely into the future. But, Kavanaugh said, nobody in this case made that argument, so what can I do? I don't know. Well, obviously, Alabama took that as an invitation to come back to the Supreme Court over the Supreme Court's order and make specifically the argument that Brett Kavanaugh asked for.

And that's what they're doing now. In addition to redrawing their maps so that they are still racist, Alabama is now arguing that the reason why they're allowed to be racist is that the Voting Rights Act has outlived its usefulness and should not be, quote, extended indefinitely into the future. And so it is that argument that Brett Kavanaugh himself asked for that Alabama is now back at the Supreme Court making. And if Kavanaugh flips his votes, like I said, initially it was 5-4. I'm actually not worried about Roberts on this particular case. Not because I trust Roberts, but John Roberts doesn't like it

when states defy his orders, right? He gets a little, like, tight in his britches when that happens. So I'm not worried about Roberts changing his vote. But Kavanaugh, if he changes his vote, then we go 5-4 the other way. And then not only is Alabama allowed to racially rejaw its maps, but we're also staring at a situation where Kavanaugh and the other four conservatives who were always against it could rule that the Voting Rights Act is too old to be of use anymore because, according to the white conservatives, we have defeated racism. And then that becomes a trickle-down effect because it then goes from Alabama to the Louisiana case,

to the Florida case, to the court, to the cases happening right now in Georgia. And to your point there, and this is what the Supreme Court justices, these right-wingers do, they literally, to your point, he brings it up, they literally give direction to these folks as a way to go, yeah, do this and bring it back to me. Oh, yeah. This is transactional of the nth degree, right? This is a drug dealer saying like, I don't know nothing about no pandemic, but if you want some, maybe you should go to the van down in the alley, right? That's how subtle this is, which is to say it ain't subtle at all what Kavanaugh is doing. He's shopping for cases. He's shopping for specific legal arguments. And as you say, I thought in real time in June when Kavanaugh wrote this opinion, I was like, the next thing that's going to happen is that Louisiana or Texas or Florida makes this argument to Kavanaugh to redraw its maps.

I just thought that was going to happen after the next census. I didn't think that Alabama would come back immediately in defiance of the Supreme Court order. But this is what Brett Kavanaugh asked for, and Alabama is handing it to him on a plate. The only hope here is that Kavanaugh is kind of embarrassed by himself. And based on his history, I don't know that that man is capable of feeling shame. But if he is, this stinks to high heaven. It stinks to have a case where the plaintiffs just lost in front of your court to come back with the same case, with this random argument that you made, pining for a different case in the future. So that's the hope here. But yeah, as you say, it's going to trickle down. If Kavanaugh flips his vote,

it's going to trickle down throughout the old Confederacy because the Southern states have never really accepted the idea that they lost the Civil War. And for some of your listeners, because I know, I'll speak for me, as a Northeastern elitist liberal, I speak to a lot of Black people in my socioeconomic social circle who don't always understand that most Black people still live in the states where our ancestors were enslaved. The blackest state in the country is Mississippi. Alabama is the fifth blackest state in the country based on population. We still live in the South. And the South, the reason why the South remains ruby red, as opposed to having the influence of those, you know, large percentages of black and brown voters, is because of this kind of racial gerrymandering, right? There are two reasons. One, white people in the South stick together. I mean, like they're hanging on for dear life. And two, when they stick together and they take control of state

legislatures, they gerrymander away the political power of their black citizens that are still living there. And the thing that really just, I think, jumps out at me when you see what's at play here, and that is Leonard Leo and the Republicans. And I keep trying to explain to people, these people are playing for keeps. They know and understand the power of judges. And normally, normally you talked about Roberts, but normally no federal judge and normally no other federal judges like it. When somebody defies a decision that went through the appeals court, that went all the way to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court kicks it back down and Alabama still goes, ah, to hell with that. We don't care. We're going to sit here and try to get a second bite at the apple. And so I would hope a Brett Kavanaugh and his other justices would go, no, no, no, you're not going to sit here and then just defy a federal court. But they don't care about that, Ellie.

They care about power. And they understand power. They understand playing for keeps. And that is what people need to understand what the right is all about. The Supreme Court, the courts in general, and the Supreme Court especially, is a political institution that makes decisions based on their preferred political outcomes. So when you hear people say, some people like the president of the United States say, that they don't want to politicize the Supreme Court, news alert, that done already happened,

all right? That horse has left the barn and is galloping away. Okay. The Supreme Court is. First of all, first of all, let's be real clear. The person who's elected the president, he's going to pick someone from the ideological standpoint. That's likely where he stands. It's rare. A Stephen Breyer flips. I think it was Breyer who was a point by Republican and then basically became became essentially. I'm sorry, David Souter, a point by Republican and became a liberal. So that's rare. It happens. And then the Senate is going to confirm somebody who likely that is along ideological lines. So, yeah, I hate that crap when they go, no, we're the Supreme Court.

We judge things evenly. Stop it. You're not. Right now, we have a hard right Supreme Court. And let's be clear. If anything happened to Alito and Clarence Thomas and Biden got to pick, the court's going to flip 5-4 to liberals. I mean, absolutely, right? The Supreme Court is out here picking political outcomes, right?

And so the question really becomes, when you're looking at this particular case, is which political outcome does Brett Kavanaugh want? Because as much as he wants Republicans to win elections, when you're Republican and you already control the Supreme Court, you've got a vested interest in making sure that the Supreme Court is viewed as legitimate and their orders are enforced, because that's going to help your political side more than if people understand the Supreme Court should be ignored. Because I promise you, if Alabama gets away with ignoring the Supreme Court here, what happens next is that blue states start ignoring Supreme Court orders when it comes to guns, when it comes to abortion rights, and when it comes to voting rights, right? So if you're a conservative and you already are winning and you already control the Supreme Court, what's actually the smart play?

Do you go with Alabama now because you're going to get an extra red state congressman in the 2024 election? Which, you know, look, it might matter. I mean, this is a very close Congress. Seven seats separate the majority from the minority. One seat is a big deal. But are you going to risk the imprimatur of power that the Supreme Court has so that you can enforce all of the other conservative rulings that your court is likely to do? The smart play would be to deny Alabama's appeal, but we're talking about Brett Kavanaugh, who's not a smart man. And so that is why we're that's that is why I have concerns. That's why this all really comes down to where his vote's going to be in terms of hearing this appeal at all or its final decision.

And of course, we know doggone well that we have two Supreme Court court dresses who are very much bought and paid for, especially one Uncle Clance, because all you got to do is throw him a couple of bottles of beer in a free trip on a plane, and you got his vote. Oh, the corruption is embarrassing. And again, if the Supreme Court was smart, they would be looking to stamp this out because this corruption decreases the legitimacy of their own conservative victories. So it's amazing to me that Roberts hasn't done anything to try to stop the graft in his own courthouse. And they are grifters. L.A. Minster, I appreciate it, man. Thanks a lot.

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When we talk about the Supreme Court and what's happening in Alabama, again, these white Republicans, they do not want to see black people empowered. The Republican Party ain't looking out for black people. I don't know, if you even think about voting for these evil folks and what they have planned for us, you gotta be outside of your mind. And they absolutely do not want to see the Supreme Court say, nope, we've already decided, because they know what then is gonna happen with the case in Louisiana, then Florida and Georgia, where we could literally see a pickup of five or seven black seats. Absolutely right. I mean, and I don't blame them for what they're doing because they're white supremacists. They realize the demographics are against them and they realize that this is this demographic ticking time bomb is about to explode. There was an article in yesterday's Financial Times detailing how the Electoral College is slowly eroding in terms of the baked-in advantage to white supremacists that the Electoral College poses.

In the election of 2024, they get a little closer to the tipping point. So shaving off a few seats in Louisiana or in Alabama could make all the difference in terms of their short-term and long-term plans. But I agree with Elie on this. They're playing a very dangerous game now. You see, Brett Kavanaugh absolutely, as Elie said, signaled to these white supremacists in Atlanta that he was open to an argument that really isn't an argument. The only thing where I would make diverge from Elie, and if he were here, I think he would probably agree on this, I think he probably would agree he may

have chosen the wrong word, is that Kavanaugh made an argument. He did not make an argument. What he said was that basically this race-based solution process that the Voting Rights Act represents has to end sometimes. Now, we all remember the vague allusion to Sandra Day O'Connor in the Grutter case in affirmative action, which was used or gestured toward by saying, well, you know, maybe in the next 25 years affirmative action can end. But that wasn't used as the rationale for overturning affirmative action. In this case, Brett Kavanaugh, if he were to say, I'm going to side with the white supremacists in Alabama because simply the because the Voting Rights Act has outlived its usefulness, that would destroy even the pretense of any form of process and statutory interpretation. And what he would do is undermine, finally, the legitimacy of the court in a way

where it could never be put back. Now, those who study the law understand that this has always been an issue. It was an issue with Roger Taney and Dred Scott. It was an issue in Giles v. Alabama and Oliver Wendell Holmes in the early 20th century. It has been an issue all along. But if Brett Kavanaugh does that, you can toss aside law degrees at that point. What you dropped is all pretense that they're using any process of statutory interpretation and they're just doing whatever the hell they want. And Ellie is absolutely right. Once they break it then, now we're talking about something we've never seen in this country, which is basically ignoring the Supreme Court. And if you want to see somebody ignore the Supreme Court and gesture toward that,

look at the Indian Removal Act and Andrew Jackson when he said, I understand you can make a decision, Supreme Court, but do you have an army to back it up? This would be uncharted territory. And I, for one, would say go for it. We'll see what happens after that. You know, Lauren, I just keep trying to explain to people, understand that the Republicans, they know the game that they're playing. They know exactly what they're doing. And they're funding this.

They say, I like this thing on my book, White Fear, how the brown of America is making white folks lose their minds. Their whole deal is if we can lock down the Supreme Court for the next 30 to 50 years, we can sit and run the table. I mean, by and large this year, if Biden and Harris are not reelected, I'm going to tell you right now, Alito and Thomas are both going to retire. Yeah. And they're going to appoint a 42 or 45 yearold federal judge to the Supreme Court, and they're going to sit here and say, booyah. And they're going to say, we got Roberts, Gorsuch, Barrett, whoever that person is, we got those. They know what they're doing.

And then they're going to sit here and say, let's hope one of these liberals retire. That's their game plan. And so folks need to understand that. And so I tell black folks play around if you want to. Sit this election out if you want to. But I'm telling you, when they start having more decisions that go against black

folks, I'm going to sit here and say hashtag we tried to tell you. Yeah, when we have these discussions, the only two people I can think about is Hillary Clinton and Robbie Mook. That's it. And the fact that Debbie Dingell and G.K. Butterfield

tried to tell their campaign to campaign more in Michigan and North Carolina. And losing that election in 2016, this was the result, these moments, this and the Dobbs decision. I really don't think that any sort of statutory interpretation matters to these people. The only thing that matters is control and having power and being able to control the laws as they want to see it on the conservative side, knowing that they're losing on the demographics and being in control. That's it.

And frankly, until the Democratic Party sort of gets to the level where they understand the urgency of the moment and don't think that they can just run an election and act like they know what's going on in places like Michigan and North Carolina as they're running and not listen to the people on the ground, you're going to get this result. And this is the result we've gotten. It doesn't surprise me that, you know, we're in this situation, it wouldn't surprise me that the prophecy that Ellie laid out happens, because that sounds exactly like they would do. It sounds exactly like something they would do. And we've already saw that with these decisions that they just handed down. And of course, the one with regard to Dobbs. So why wouldn't they do this? They go all the way and they have no shame in their game. And it shouldn't surprise anybody at this point. Recy?

The bottom line is Republicans have said that they're going to do whatever the hell they want to do regardless. They've never played by the rules. They've only used the rules as a cudgel against Democrats who are so tethered to process and to precedent and a number of things. The Republican Party is now saying that the Supreme Court is not legitimate. When you just completely disregard what the Supreme Court is saying

and you try to play with fire and you give who gonna check me boo energy, that's already saying the Supreme Court is not legitimate. I think what they're really at danger is, I think what the Supreme Court ruling in this Alabama case initially was trying to buy a little bit of time, trying to put a little bit of control, thinking that they can have a little bit of control on just the Republican Party now's desire to just go through straight fascism, completely authoritarian government, white nationalist government.

And I think if they overturn this or if they allow the Republicans to do that, they're going to let a genie out of a bottle that they cannot put back in. They're going to say that our rule doesn't actually rule anymore and they're giving open license to Republicans to go even further than they've ever gone. And that's really what's at stake at 2024. They're already pushing their limits all throughout the country. Not even, I mean, we talk about book bans, we talk about CRT, but they're actually usurping elected officials that are Democratic. Ron DeSantis down there has now removed two state's attorney. We've talked about on this show, Roland, many times, what Abbott is doing in terms of the school boards and the school systems in Democratic-led states, or cities, rather.

They are going to open up a can of worms to where it's complete chaos and lawlessness. I don't know black people are as prepared for this as they seem to be. But we've been sitting up here debating about who's dancing in the wood or who's at what place or whatever little bullshit of the day. What Krishan and Blueface are talking about with a low custody situation. I don't know where as equipped to really deal with the Republicans completely unleashed. And that's what scares me more than anything about 2024. And they will be

exactly that. All right, folks, we're going to break. We come back. We're going to talk about the child poverty rate going up. Hello, Republicans and Senator Joe Manchin. This is all on you. That's next. And we'll talk about the black coach at Colorado State.

Wait till I play for y'all what he said about Deion Sanders. And Deion did not waste time responding. We'll have all of that in the second hour of Rolling Martin Unfiltered right here on the Blackstone Network. small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up. So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Business Week editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams,

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The Supplemental Poverty Measure, which looks at government programs and tax credits designed to help low-income families, found in 2022, the poverty rate was 12.4 percent, up 4.6 percent from 2021. The poverty rate among children doubled from 5.2 percent in 2021 to 12.4 percent last year. Why did the poverty rate grow up? Well, expiration of pandemic programs, stimulus payments, and congressional members who voted against the child tax credit. First of all, let me correct that. My folks wrote that. No, not Congress members who voted against the child tax credit. Republicans and Senator Joe Manchin, who did not support the extension of the child tax credit. Joining me now from D.C. is Lily Roberts, managing director of inclusive growth for the Center for American Progress. Lily, this is real simple. And I say this all the time.

Republicans love talking about how they're pro-life and they're pro-life. When you vote against a program for child poverty, you're not pro-life. Lily, I think you're on mute. Lily, I think you're on mute lily i think you're on mute how about this this must be a thing today every guest we've had today has been muted first all right let me go lily we got you we got you go ahead sorry about that you know and it's it's such a tough uh tough situation to see the poverty rate increasing, particularly among children, because it wasn't necessary. It's not like we had an economic crisis in 2022 that threw off the whole economy the way that we've seen in past years or past decades.

The increase to child poverty this time is a policy choice that we made. Republicans, and as you mentioned, one senator who's a Democrat stood in the way of incredible progress that we had made in 2021 in eliminating in getting closer to eliminating child poverty. It's a policy choice that's being made by the Republican Party. They're not pro family. If they were so adamant against the child tax credit. Well, there are a couple of cynical reasons. Kids don't vote. So, you know, you're not catering to kids. But I think that there's also a real misconception about why people are in poverty in this country. We heard a lot of fear-mongering and racism and misogyny and all kinds of awful rhetoric around when this was, when this discussion was happening last year, people were saying things like, oh,

families spend their child tax credit on drugs. That was absolutely not the case. There was so much research showing that families spend their child tax credit to support their children. There were stories all day this week about, as we've seen the child poverty rate now go up, there have been discussions of what people spent their child tax credit on, and it was food and it was necessities. There was a story this morning out about a family who, for the first time, they were able to send their kids to rec league sports. And they did little league for one year because they weren't as cash strapped as they had been. We know that families needed this money and they spent it to get closer to being in the middle class and feeling that economic stability. Well, I recall correctly, Manchin was going, oh, I've been told if they're going to be

using this for drugs. No basis, no facts, no nothing. It was nuts to me. This dude literally comes from one of the brokest states in the country. Absolutely. And it's such a short-sighted thing to fixate on because we know that people spent their money in their communities. It supports a broader economic growth, right? Like if you're West Virginia, you want families who are poor to have that money to spend to support local businesses, to be stable. It decreases the amount of money that West Virginia had to spend on social services. There are all sorts of macroeconomic reasons to support things like the Child Tax Credit, even if you're not persuaded by the individual circumstances of a family in poverty. Even if you set the moral case aside, programs like the Child Tax Credit

are incredibly beneficial for the community and for the economy. All right, Lily Roberts, glad to have you on the show. We sure appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thanks so much. This to me right here, Greg, is one of those issues where if I'm Biden-Harris, I'm pounding these fools for not caring about kids? Well, I mean, yeah, they care more about themselves. I mean, we know that Joe Manchin, as Bernie Sanders called him the other day, a corporate dim, he in cinema. Joe Manchin is more concerned about maintaining his criminal enterprise of profit skimming and political

power in West Virginia. He is a creature of his backward electorate. So this millionaire who, you know, sails up and down the Potomac in his yacht, this millionaire wants to stay in power. So I really don't blame Joe Manchin. He is a creature of his backward state, his backward electorate. He wanted to add work requirements and means testing, you know, its allusion to drugs, of course, being a cover. He's trying to play to the cheap seats in his backward state.

Jim Justice, you know, people ran against him. He doesn't look like he's going to be returned to the federal legislature. So, you know, Democrats are making noise about perhaps restoring some corporate tax deductions in exchange for some movement on this. But ultimately, what we are facing is a situation where when you see vermin minded politicians like Joe Manchin, what you're seeing is the result of people not fully participating in the political process. This is a desperate politician attempting to hold on to power. He doesn't give a man about children or anybody else. He gives a damn about his own pockets and his own ability to stay in the legislature. And so we have to overwhelm them by participating, by organizing, by mobilizing. Absent that, we're going to see a lot more of this.

And this is where, Lauren, again, if I'm Biden-Harris, I'm like, no, no, no. We're negotiating a child tax credit. No, we're not about to sit here and hook corporations up with more billions. They made a lot of money in that doggone tax break that Donald Trump gave them. No, it ain't happening. And I will dare say, if y'all want to fight, we're going to fight over children. And we're going to see who cares about the American children, Democrats or Republicans. Force them to have to deal with poor children. And this is where the White House, Biden, y'all need to stop playing around. Meet with Reverend William Barber and poor people who are affected. Bring poor people to the White House.

Put them up before the cameras and say, our Republicans, look these folks in the eye who are out there working their butts off, having jobs, trying to care for their kids. And y'all would rather give tax credits to corporations and not the poor children of America? Yeah, for some reason, both political parties did not like to talk about poverty or poor people. But when the conversation does come up, obviously, it's usually the Democrats. In fact, it's only the Democrats. And it's interesting that you bring up the president and the vice president today. They both had speeches today. And I don't think anything close to this came up. It didn't come up with the vice president. I didn't see everything that Biden said today in Maryland. But it is strange, Roland, that this is such low-hanging fruit in a world where we will send

billions in our tax money overseas to various places. And yet this was something that was an obvious anti-poverty move and policy that worked, absolutely worked. When you're giving folks either $2,000 or, I think the iteration last year was $3,600 per eligible child in tax credits, I mean, it actually worked. You saw the typical corporate class Republican politicians complaining about it, because quite frankly, I think that there's just a group of politicians in there who just want people to be desperate and poor and working at some corporation for minimum wage that needs people to be desperate and poor to be working at some corporation at minimum wage. And that's just how they view the world. And any time you get into sort of any deep policy discussion about helping poor people,

specifically helping poor people, even in a country that has over 40 million poor people, it's amazing how much of a fight that is. And it's also weird, too, because even the MAGA Republicans, when Donald Trump first started campaigning in 2016, he did have an America first sort of mantra that he went over. One would think that America first meant that the priorities that are, you know, our spending of our tax money would mean a focus on people here in the United States. And in fact, it didn't mean that. And in fact, Donald Trump didn't execute any of the things that he talked about when he talked about, quote, America first. But it is really sad to see that

because this policy clearly worked, this idea of means testing that Manchin was talking about is ridiculous. And every time there's some sort of program that would disproportionately help poor people, the first thing that these Republicans bring up is either the money being stolen or some embezzlement or some sort of need to prove that the money is being spent properly. We don't do that with our Defense Department. We don't do that when it's a billion in farm subsidies, billions and billions in farm subsidies. But when it comes to poor people, all of a sudden we want means testing. Everything has to be studied.

So it's an amazing thing to watch. And it's really sad that the policy was allowed to expire. Again, Recy, I think this is one where Democrats say, OK, y'all want to screw with poor kids? We're going to nail you on it left and right. And Lauren's right. Unfortunately, they don't want to talk about the poor. Every time you hear these campaigns, the middle class, the middle class, the middle class. The reality is this country survives because of the working poor. We know that.

We saw it during COVID. Frontline workers, it was the folks working in grocery stores, people driving buses and subways, public transportation, the folk who we always ignore. And I'm sitting here sitting there, and I'm like, to me, this is a winner. And this is not, oh, my goodness, you're champions of the poor. And then if I'm Biden and Harris, flip it on them. If I'm Biden and Harris, I'm saying, I'm sorry.

I thought y'all loved Jesus. I thought y'all loved God. Evangelicals, why are y'all so quiet on the child's tax credit? Use it against them and force them to be on the defense. Yeah, on the one hand, the child tax credit expiring is in part a large part of a messaging failure. But also, 60 million children received this child tax credit benefit. 2.3 million of those children were in poverty. So that's a lot of kids who were not in poverty with which families were getting thousands of dollars

of extra money in tax credits that didn't say shit when it expired. That is what's tripping me out. How do people with 61 million kids and the parents are getting money for those kids on a monthly basis or even at the end of the year and don't nobody say a damn thing about Republicans. I remember when Vice President Kamala Harris was on with Charlamagne and people could say whatever they want about her going on Charlamagne show and she was talking about this very issue about how

the child tax credit lifted 50 percent of black children out of poverty and what went viral. Oh why was, why was she clapping back at Charlemagne? What were people saying in the comments? Well, I ain't got no kids. How is that benefiting me whenever I talk about the Child Tax Credit? So I think, you know, the reason why it's not as winning of a message is because people don't want to give a damn about kids. You know, people don't have kids. They don't care. People who did have kids, apparently, they didn't care that they lost the money from the child tax credit. And so until people who are actually voters hold Republicans accountable and the fact that Republicans gained the House in 2022,

despite the fact that they were hostile to millions of parents, is a testament to how people just are unserious about policy, about how people like to complain about both parties, but they don't hold the party that's actually increasing poverty and hurting American families accountable. And that's why I'm saying that you have to walk people through specifically how it's being done. And what I'm saying is, and I'm talking about you use their own messaging against them. You use the evangelicals, you call them out and you say, Franklin Graham,

why are you not criticizing the right? See, look, if you go engage in war, you got to fight. And I'm not interested in being nice with these people. I'm saying you must go after them and go for the juggler. That's what you got to do.

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Folks, Vice President Kamala Harris kicked off her Fight for Our Freedoms tour today at Hampton University, a seven-state college tour. Man, listen to this. A lot of the young people here voted for the first time in 2020. Hold up, stop, stop, stop. Hold up. Stop. Come back to me. Come back to me. OK, first of all, I don't want to play the soundbite yet. I just want to show you what the initial reaction was. OK, students were absolutely excited to hear from the vice president. That also defies a lot of

these people out here who keep saying stuff like, oh, black people not really excited about Vice President Kamala Harris. I will get that in a second because Reese has some things to say about people with Ball Alert, Shade Room, Hollywood Unlocked. She talked about a number of issues with Terrence J. Here is about a seven minute portion of that conversation. We also restreamed the whole conversation, but check this out. A lot of the young people here voted for the first time in 2020, 2022. Many of them will vote for the first time in 2024.

What did they get for their vote? For those that voted, what did they get from that last election? Well, let's start with this. One of the reasons that I'm on this tour is that I want to emphasize, based on your point, that voting is like putting in your order. You vote saying, these are the things I want from my government, I want from my country, I want from my life and my future. And what concerns me sometimes is that our young leaders will be told that their vote doesn't matter. They will be told by just the forces that, oh, they're unlikely to

vote. And I know that's not true. And so part of why I have embarked on this tour is to highlight our young leaders and to be able to do what I can to share a microphone and a stage to highlight the issues that they are leading on and the issues that concern them. So when people voted in 2020, first of all, remember it was in the height of a pandemic. How many people here voted in 2020? All right. So you voted during the height of a pandemic. You voted in a historic time where there was extraordinary loss in our country, extraordinary loss of life. Black folks in America, one in four, knew someone who actually passed away because of COVID. You voted at a time where people were losing their jobs,

losing a sense of normalcy. And in spite of all of that, in spite of the fact that people were literally being told to isolate themselves, you all got out and voted because you believed in yourself, the power of your voice through your vote, and the fact that you could actually have an impact. And what ended up happening 2020, Terrence, record turnout of voters across the board, but record turnout of young voters. And it is because you voted that Joe Biden is president and I'm vice president of the United States. But that's not where it begins and ends. You voted and said, we are acutely aware that our entire lives, we have been aware of the climate crisis. You have turned me on to a phrase that so many young leaders have coined that is to talk about climate anxiety, the fear that our young leaders

have about what their future will be. What will it be in terms of their ability to have children, to buy a home with these hurricanes and floods and wildfires? And you all voted saying, y'all got to deal with this. And because you did, we have been able to put $1 trillion into an investment that is about climate resilience, adaptation to the crisis, and what we need to do to invest in a clean energy economy. It's because you voted that that happened. Because you voted and said, we need to deal with an issue like lead pipes.

Because in too many of our communities, our babies have been drinking toxic water out of these lead pipes. Think Flint and other places around the country. And you said it's about time that needs to be dealt with. Because you voted, we are on track to remove all the lead pipes in our nation. Because you voted and said our HBCUs are some of the greatest centers of academic excellence. We have now invested over $7 billion in our HBCUs. Which is unprecedented.

So these are some of the many examples of what happens. And when we think about our role of leadership and what we wanna do to change things for the better, one of the great tools that we have is our vote, among the many tools that we have. And for anybody that did not vote, the Secret Service wants to have a word with you outside, so we can—I'm just joking. Make sure you vote.

No, no, no, but seriously—well, two things, actually. The head of my Secret Service detail is a Hampton graduate. Come on up! Wow. I saw him back there. So you know. I saw him like the bodyguard. He was scoping the whole room.

But also, we do have voter registration on campus today. And in fact, you guys have a very important election coming up in Virginia. And early voting starts September 22nd, which is in eight days. And I would urge everybody who can register to vote here to do so and to make sure that you vote because there are a lot of big issues on the state. Absolutely and you know all jokes aside their vote is under attack. There are a lot of communities across the country whose vote is under attack but specifically young people can you talk a little bit about that?

I've been traveling in our country and the world, but I've been traveling in our country, and I will tell you, when I look at what is happening in all of the regions of our country in different places, I believe there is an intentional, full-on attack against hard-won freedoms and rights. And I'm talking about the freedom to make decisions about your own body and the choices you will make about your future connected with that. The freedom to vote. The freedom to be and love who you love. The freedom to be free from gun violence and the fear of that, the freedom to have opportunity

and know that it will be a priority to recognize where there have been historical disparities and to deal with that. The freedoms that are under attack right now in our country are very real. And Hamptonians, we have a particular responsibility to all of the founders, all of the folks who sat here generations before to protect and defend those freedoms they fought for so hard and are now under attack. And so when I think about a moment like this, I think about it being a call to action and a moment where we recognize that we can never take anything for granted and it will be incumbent on us to look in the mirror and ask ourselves, well, what are we going to do about it?

And I know when I look at who's here, you've already made that decision. You're going to be active and you're going to lead. And that's so important. It's so important. All right. Let's talk about this with our panel. No, I'm not going to you first, Recy. No, absolutely not.

I'm going to I'm going to start with Lauren. Lauren. So Josh Barrow has been getting a whole lot of attention. CNN had him on today with Andrew Yang, not a single black person on the panel. And he's written this piece and he's been joined by a bunch of other white men out there talking about how either Joe Biden should not run for reelection. And if he does run, he should be replacing Kamala Harris as the vice president. And I'm like, y'all stupid. So Barrow literally writes this piece where he says that, well, because Kamala Harris doesn't come from a place with lots of

black people, she has no black political base. So therefore they won't lose much by replacing her. I said, and I tweeted at him, this is why you shouldn't listen to white political so-called experts who know nothing about black people. Yeah. I mean, wild stuff. You know, I don't know what they're doing. You know, isn't it interesting that they sort of made an argument about Joe Biden's age, which is really the thing that is the impotence of the Ignatius column in the Washington Post and the Von Drill column that happened today. And of course, Josh Barrow, they made that Kamala Harris's problem, that the president is showing his age is somehow the vice president's problem. And, you know, at the end of the day, Kamala Harris is the most analyzed vice president in American history.

I mean, it is incredible to me the level of analysis, the level of criticism for Kamala Harris. And that is because it's a hit dog hollering type argument. The reason there's analysis is that everybody sees Biden showing his age and that we know that we have a Republican Party that is post-factual and post-truth and really, you know, post-democracy, openly talking about dismantling democracy. And all of those things converging is what is making, for some reason, Kamala Harris the focus of everything. But obviously, Josh Barrow has no idea what he's talking about. There would be an absolute mutiny in the Democratic Party if the first black vice president of the United States, a woman, were to in some way be displaced, knowing, of course,

that the number one voting bloc for the Democratic Party is black women. So I'm not sure how they're going to figure out how to get around this. I'm not sure why we're seeing three and four opinion columns, two in The Washington Post, which has a new op-ed group set up in there. So I'm not sure why they're suddenly focused on Kamala Harris. But that was really strange. You know, the thing that she's doing with the HBCU tour is interesting. You know, one criticism I would have here, unfortunately, for her and the president is that they are not outlining to me in a most urgent way what we're dealing with here in this country, this historic moment. They have the two biggest bullhorns in the country, the president and the vice president.

And somehow they're very reluctant to articulate in the harshest of terms how dangerous this iteration of the Republican Party is. For some reason, they won't do that. I think the tour is generally a good idea. She talked about voting rights. There's sort of a peripheral discussion that was going on there when they gave the students a chance to talk and ask some questions. They asked about guns and sea level rise. I thought it was odd that Bobby Scott was not at this event. He is probably the most prolific appropriator for HBCUs in the history of Congress. And they're up in the eight billion. She mentioned that eight billion has been appropriated for HBCUs. Ninety-nine percent of that is Congressman Bobby Scott. This is his district in Hampton. And somehow they schedule

this on a day that he can't attend because he's voting in Washington. That makes no sense to me. And I would say the same for Jennifer McClellan, who's a historic figure as the first black woman congressman from Virginia. Virginia has elections this year. Early voting is coming up in Virginia in seven days. And so I think the vice president and the president need to be talking about that. And they need to be talking on a continuous basis about how dangerous Donald Trump and his friends are. And they're not really doing that. But as far as what you just said about Josh Barrow, you're absolutely right. And this is a really crazy moment where we see a bunch of columnists come out of nowhere to go after the vice president.

They mention the president, and then they're going after the vice president. So that's a really strange situation. The thing here, Greg, which I just find to be utterly hilarious when I see all of these pieces and I see these things written. Did I miss something? Did Joe Biden ever say, if I run for president, I'm not going to seek a second term?

This man has wanted to be president. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek.

I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Business Week editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. his entire damn life. He has wanted to be president forever. He ran three times before. There is no way Joe Biden was ever going to say, I'm only going to serve one term. I keep telling people, y'all can't get mad at Joe Biden being old

because he was old when he ran in 2020. The moment Joe Biden got elected, Joe Biden was like, oh, I'm running for a second term. That's one of the reasons why a lot of people who were around Biden were the ones in the White House who were throwing darts at Kamala Harris the first two years of being vice president. A lot of those stories you heard dogging Kamala Harris were coming from the inside. Of course. from the inside. Of course. From the inside. And so part of the reason, if you really want to step back and look at the breakdown of what happened here, then Senator Kamala Harris was one of the most attacked candidates.

Okay? The Russian troll farms were attacking her. Okay, y'all. When you start having that much incoming fire, you then gotta ask an important question. Why do they find her to be so dangerous? Because, Greg,

you don't fire that much firepower at somebody if you're not scared of them. Well, unless you have other plans. I mean, Gavin Newsom wants to be president of the United States. Maybe not this election, but the next cycle. And, you know, you take have other plans. I mean, Gavin Newsom wants to be president of the United States, maybe not this election, but the next cycle. And, you know, you take out the competition.

Joe Biden, you know, he's going to limp along as long as he can until, you know, the reelection and beyond, you know, maybe gets reelected for a second term, maybe not. But you know, in this case, Kamala Harris is the hardest working vice president in any memory I can recall, certainly in my living memory. And you know, this kind of harkens back to the last segment when you were talking about fighting. And, again, any time I hear Lauren Victoria Burke, I'm going to learn something. I mean, she just broke down the politics, the inside baseball game.

You've got the chattering classes, the pundits clearly sending a flag up the flagpole to see if anybody going to salute at it. Don't think that Joe Biden isn't fully aware of what's going on and that the Democratic operatives aren't fully along. But again, as you said, if you're going to fight, you're going to have to be nonconventional, at least in the sense of that staid architecture of the Democratic Party as we have experienced it. And how many times have you talked to us, Roland, about these consultants, these folks who are on Democratic Party payroll that continue to play the non-winning message? It seems to me the vice president of the United States is on the horns of a dilemma that she's always been on.

You know, can you let Kamala be Kamala? In other words, can you turn her loose? The answer to that is no. The Democratic Party is a straitjacket of sorts. And I'm not saying that I would agree on advice with the vice president on everything, but I would say this. When she is relaxed, when she is in front of the home team audiences like she was today, you get a glimpse of how she should be deployed all the time. There are eight and a third million more voters in the electorate since the 2022 midterms that turned 18, since 2022. Eight and a third million. Four and a half million of them are white, but most of them are in the Midwest, not the South. You've got two million Latinos,

and you've got a million point two black youth. You've got half a million Asians and 800,000 Native Americans. Why is that important to Jermaine to what we're talking about right now? She she talked about it in passing. There's an election in Virginia. They're going to pump Glenn Youngkin's wet towel ass up to be a standard bearer for the white nationalist party in the coming years, if not perhaps even in the current election cycle. Although he's kept the billionaire class, the donor class at bay so far. But what we see with Kamala Harris is someone who, if they just let her go out there and organize and continue to not only spread the message like she did today, but really work outside the confines of this white, working class, obsessed Democratic Party, might be able to pull out of the fire some local elections, some congressional seats,

and a presidential election that will keep us from facing the reality that the white nationalists have thrown all caution to the wind and are simply engaged in primal-screen politics. We're not going to do that, because the Democratic Party is still centered in whiteness. And Kamala Harris is certainly a case study in what happens when a party centered in whiteness attempts to tiptoe around the elephants in the room. And the elephants in this room, in this case, are white nationalism and the Republican Party. All right. I know you've been just holding your tongue. Just wait to talk greasy uh i saw one of your posts where uh you had some uh a few words to say not only to the white political pundit class but also uh to the black folks uh who always

hate another vice president you took us you mentioned a couple of these black blogs i mean this is how crazy some of these people are i I posted a video on my Instagram of the vice president dancing at the hip-hop concert. And you had some of these simple signs hopping on the air. Oh, this is how they trying to get the black vote. And they would just trash her left and right. that numerous presidents and vice presidents have hosted numerous concerts with black people, white people, yo-yo ma, country artists, gospel artists. I mean, we can go down the whole line. But oh, my goodness.

Oh, she trying to sit here and use hip hop to get the black vote. And I'm just sitting here going, some of y'all are really just some dumb people. But I think what some of these people do is they take that and then run with it. What you're seeing here with the constant attacks on Vice President Kamala Harris really deals with folk who, again, who are sitting here who want to, as I think Greg said, want to position their candidates. I firmly believe, and I firmly believe this,

I don't think Joe Biden wanted to pick Kamala Harris as his VP. I think he wanted to pick that governor in Michigan. And I remember when he told Congressman Jim Clyburn, I'm torn between my head and my heart. Clyburn said, well, you need to go into a room

and reconcile your head and your heart and make a decision. And I think that was the case because here's the deal. And this ain't no lie. Joe Biden ain't president of the United States if that black woman not VP. Period. I mean, I think this whole notion that, you know, the Democratic Party is somehow strengthened by having a two-white-person ticket or the even more absurd notion that replacing Vice

President Kamala Harris with a white woman would strengthen the democratic party is just nothing but racist delusion and fantasy. These pundits are out of touch and they're just engaging in like racist role-playing. And I think the hoods are off, but they're, they're really very much irrelevant. I do get enjoy. I do get enjoyment out of calling them motherfuckers and all kinds of stuff. But the reality is you haven't had a white woman win on anybody's presidential ticket. If white women were having such a moment in politics, why you

don't have not one nary a white woman running for president on the Republican side? Why is it only Nikki Haley? You have white women that are senators, you have white women that are governors, but not nary one of them done jumped in the doggone Republican primary because they know that the Republicans, they voted for no damn woman to be president. And maybe some of them are hoping that Donald

Trump or whoever will pick them to be vice president. But I'm not even convinced that's going to happen. And so all this stuff is really just them getting their rocks off. They've been trying this for years. And I said for years that she's not going to be replaced, but she's not going to be replaced for a number of reasons. Number one, you actually have to have a vice president that you trust, that you have camaraderie with, and that is an asset in your administration. And it's obvious that Joe Biden does have a good camaraderie with Kamala Harris. Now, some of the people in his team that were backbiting her, a lot of those people are now gone. But, you know, you don't have a substantive reason. But as I pointed out yesterday, there's actually no data reason behind it. When people are asked who they think should be the vice president, people are sticking with Vice President Kamala

Harris. And guess what? White women like Gretchen Whitmore ain't even registering. They're saying if it's not her, then it's Bernie, it's Pete Buttigieg. I haven't even seen Gavin Newsom at the top of that list. And so a lot of this stuff is just people just throwing darts at the water. And to your other point, I do want to say that a big part of this is because of her strength, not because of her weakness. If they really felt like Vice President Kamala Harris, and I'll talk about Republicans as well, with such a drag on the ticket, they would be mute. Because the last thing that they would want anybody to do is take the person that's supposed to be such an anchor off the ticket. And if Joe Biden was such a weak candidate, why isn't nobody else running against him aside from a damn anti-vaxxer and some voodoo

or new age healer or whatever it is Mary Williamson claims herself to be? Because they know they can't beat Joe. And they know that he's the best option in order to beat in Trump or DeSantis. I'm not saying that because I have any personal affection for him. I'm saying that because he won and he won along with and because of Vice President Kamala Harris. So anybody got a problem with it just going to have to stay mad. And the last thing I just want to say is that she has actually been out there sounding the horn. She's been taking it to Ron DeSantis. She was right there in Jacksonville, you know, within days of them actually passing that racist slavery curriculum.

She was right there in, was it Tennessee, with the Tennessee Three, and they booted Justin Pearson and Justin Jones out there. She really has been on the forefront. She's not as good at a soundbite, but I do believe that the cumulative impact of her presence will eventually be what outweighs the fact that she hasn't given people that soundbite or when she does go viral it's because it's some bullshit because all people care about is the frivolous stuff she has the receipts and i think that ultimately that's what's going to be a huge asset to biden and the democrat oh one more thing i forgot this a lot of people

talked about wait one more one more i had to say this because a lot of people a lot of people talked about Vice President Harris. Wait, one more, one more. I have to say this. Because a lot of people, a lot of these same white pundits talked about how ridiculous it was that Vice President Kamala Harris was focusing on abortion. Why is she focusing on abortion in the midterms? And that was one of the most animating reasons for Democratic voters in the midterms. And that was a big part because she was storming the country around that. And the candidates that distanced themselves from Vice President Kamala Harris, the one that didn't want to show up when she came to their town to be seen with her, those candidates lost. The ones that leaned in won. She was in Los Angeles the day before Karen Bass's runoff. Karen Bass won, despite the fact that she was outspent $100 million.

So if you want to talk about the receipts, I can lay out all the numbers. Facts, not feelings when it comes to Vice president Kamala Harris. And I'm done. You done. I'm done. Unless I have to be, unless I have to clap back, but I'm done for now. Lord. All right, y'all. Oscar Hernandez, of course, CNN. This was a video that he put on Twitter of the, uh, the half of students trying to students trying to get into the auditorium where VP Harris was speaking. Play the video. I'm talking. So this is what it looked like outside there. She is going to be speaking tomorrow at North Carolina A&T. And I really hope Sherry Beasley and the white political consultants are going to be watching the reception that the VP gets at North Carolina A&T.

Because to Reese's point, to Reese's point, what she just said there, Sherrod Beasley, when she was running for the United States Senate, did not want to appear. So she did not appear at events with Vice President Kamala Harris because her white consultants told her not to. That was the stupidest thing in the world. And I was talking to some people in Milwaukee, Mandela Barnes did not appear at an event with President Joe Biden, and he's running as well. I just think that's the dumbest thing in the world, that you listen to these stupid consultants who go, oh, don't appear with the president who won Wisconsin. Don't appear with Vice President of the Commonwealth. Sherry Beasley's campaign didn't even have Vice President of the Commonwealth at an HBCU.

And isn't a Beasley an AKA? Hello. That to me was dumb. That's just me. All right, y'all. Speaking of dumb, why does the black head coach at Colorado State say some crazy stuff about Deion Sanders when they going to play Deion's Colorado Buffaloes this Saturday? Deion did not take him long to respond. We're going to show y'all and talk about that next right here on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Blackstone.

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All change is not growth. Right. But thoughtful change is real good fertilizer. And that's what has been so beneficial to us. But you also were not afraid of the pivot. Well, and I'm a black woman in business. Come on, I don't care how I dress up. I don't care who I'm speaking with.

I don't care what part of the world I am in. I still am a black woman in business. Being afraid of the pivot, being fearful of change is not what got me here. Respectful of change. Respectful of pivot. Yeah. Fearful? No. Hatred on the streets. A horrific scene. A white nationalist rally that descended into deadly violence white people are losing their damn minds there's an angry pro-trump mob storm to the u.s capital we've seen we're about to see the rise of what I call white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial. This is part of American history.

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This is white fear. I'm Dr. Robin B, pharmacist and fitness coach, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. Martin! Să ne vedem la următoarea mea rețetă! All right, folks, welcome back to Roland Martin Unfiltered. So we all know Deion Sanders, Colorado Buffaloes, have begun the season 2-0. Last week they played Nebraska. Nebraska head coach Matt Rule had some stuff to say about Deion Sanders. Didn't sit too well with Deion's son. They perceived they kicked the butt of Nebraska Cornhuskers. And so this week Colorado's going to play Colorado State. Now, earlier this week, the black head football coach at Colorado State,

his name is Jay Norvell. Jay talked about how great it's going to be because this is going to be the first, I think he said this is going to be the first time two black head coaches out of the Pac-12. I think Arizona played Stanford, and so you had David Shaw and Kevin Sumlin. But he made some kind of comment about two black head coaches competing against each other in the Pac-12, or maybe the first two black coaches from two Colorado schools. I don't know, whatever it was. And so Deion was like, you know what?

You know, some complimentary comments. But then Norville goes on ESPN, or he was doing some coaches show or whatever. And then he decided to start feeling himself, and he said this. And so, you know, we're excited. Our kids are really, you know, we had to do a bunch of ESPN videos.

And it was great. I loved it. But our kids came out of those videos really with a chip on their shoulder. They're tired of all that stuff. They really are tired of it. And I sat down with ESPN today, and I don't care if they hear it in Boulder. I told them I took my hat off and I took my glasses off and I said, when I talk to grownups, I take my hat and my glasses off that's what my mother talked so you know they're not gonna like us no matter

what we say or do it doesn't matter okay so let's go up there and play and so i that's just how i feel about it and so i don't mean to take over the show, but I'm just tired of all that stuff. And I know everybody else is too. So let's go play. And we got a bunch of good kids. I told our team there's not. That's what you had to say. Okay.

Obviously, Deion Sanders caught wind of the video. And when he was coaching his team today, he said this. Yes, sir. I'm minding my own business, watching some film, trying to get ready, trying to get out here and be the best coat jacket being. I look up and I read some bull junk that they are saying about us. Talk to us.

Once again. Talk to us. Why would you want to talk about us when we don't talk about nobody? All we do is go out here, work our butts off, and do our job on set. But when they give us ammunition, they done messed around and made it what?

Personal. Personal. It was just gonna be a good game. They done messed around and made it. It was gonna be a great test, the battle of Colorado, but they done messed around and made it. Personal. Personal. Personal.

You know what happened to them last year, Gar? Talk to him. Talk to him, Jimmy. That's right. What's your name? Jimmy. Talk to him, Jimmy. Talk to him, Jimmy. Now, remember Norvell said, you know, my mama told me, when you talk to adults, you take your hat off, you take your shades off. Did not take Twitter and the social media long to dig up photos of Jay Norvell at post-game news conferences looking like this.

There are other that has another visor. So I'm just trying to understand. Oh, there we go. Visor, visor. So you ain't always removing your hat. Now, you go back to my panel here. So here's, I think, what you're dealing with here. And actually, I'm going to start with you, Greg. When you start hearing respectability phrases, we all know that there are certain things that are said that appeals to a lot of white folks in terms of how we respond.

Because we all know what folks say. I remember when Soledad O'Brien told me there was a black exec at CNN who said that I wasn't the right kind of black and questioned my attire, the suits that I wore and didn't like, you know, me wearing pinstripe suits. And it's always trying to get us to change our look and how we speak to to make white folks more comfortable and so when i heard that coming from jay norvell and then then you throw your mama in and basically what you're saying is my mama raised my black mama raised me right but see that's one of them over there from the other

side of tracks his black mama didn't raise him right because he don't take his hat off and take his shades off. Last year, last year, and he was, Jay Norvell, coached at Nevada for five years, and he went 33-26. So he was only

five games over 500. So then he got hired at Colorado State. Last year, Colorado State went 3-9. They opened the season 0-1. So that's the coaching record. That's the coaching record of Jay Norvell. Now, if I pull up right now, Greg,

the coaching record of Deion Sanders, and I look at, you know, Jackson State, and then I look at, you know, Colorado. Let's see, Jackson State went 4-3, then 11-2, then 12-1, and now they're 2-0. So he's lost six games as a head coach, has won 29 games. Man, don't nobody care about no doggone hat and shades. They judge you based upon wins and losses.

And I'm sitting there going like, Jay Norvell, come on, man, you a brother. You know better than that nonsense. I mean, you know, Norvell and Sanders are both black employees of Historically Plantation College Athletics. I really don't have a dog in this fight, Roland. It may not be easy for some folk to hear,

but, you know, back in April, the UFC and WWF teamed up to merge and create a $21.4 billion sports entertainment company. I look at plantation style college athletics the way I look at WWF wrestling. The only people who think that's real are the spectators. And I think Deion Sanders is great for historically plantation college athletics with the cowboy hats and the shades. I saw him walk old white lady onto the field playing an HBCU song. It wasn't the band playing it, thank God. If he says, give me my theme music to the Colorado band, I hope they play money, money, money, money.

Because here I go was left in Jackson. But, you know, I did take note. I do take note of the fact that of the 36,000 students at the University of Colorado, only about two and a half percent are black, that for the first time in the history of their spring game, they charged $10 a seat and they made $600,000 off of admissions, concessions and swag gear. Sanders is moving a lot of product there. And he said himself last weekend that they made about, he thinks the city of Boulder made about $18 million.

Deion Sanders is good for business, like WWF, conflict sells. And so I really don't take any of this very seriously. Deion Sanders missed his historical moment. I think his historical moment would have been to take all that talent and all that swag and all that branding and keep it in HBCUs. Once he did that, he rejoined the historically plantation ecosystem with which he is very familiar. I wish him the best. I wish him

the worst. I really don't have a dog in this fight. And when it comes to the kind of talk they're having, whether the other brother is a brother or not, is really of no consequence to them folks because all they're doing is counting money, brother. It's prime time in Boulder. And you also mentioned 2 percent is also two

percent uh at colorado state and there are many black people uh there in in colorado in colorado uh but but but but it's but it's always interesting because lauren i've literally seen white coaches got hat jimbo fisher wears a hat in a post-game news conference. And I'm sitting like, Jay Norvell, come on, man. Let's not even play into this little silliness. When you made a comment earlier in the week about how it's great to see two black head coaches at the two institutions in Colorado. Then you come out with this silly stuff here. And then the white folks watching your show start cheering.

That's right. Come on. Game recognized game yeah um is norvell black i mean he's he's black yeah yeah no he's black okay and his dad in fact his dad no no no he's black and in fact his dad was the uh was the athletic director of Michigan State. Oh, he black. Okay. Okay. I know nothing about – I follow the NFL and the New York Yankees. That's pretty much it for me. I don't follow college sports until Deion Sanders. Deion Sanders has made me watch a team that I would never have dreamt in my entire life I would ever watch.

It was the Colorado Rocks. Okay. I mean, he basically did what Tiger Woods did for me with golf golf i would have never watched golf if it wasn't for tiger woods i was glued to golf after tiger woods now i'm glued to this team this colorado team because even though i agree with dr carl a lot of what he said this moment right here where we have a very confident very assertive and very talented smart black male who's not afraid to be confident and assertive in front of everybody is the reason why he's getting these dumb, dumb comments from other people in in college football. There they are nervous in the same way that we saw, you know,

the historical sense with people like Jack Johnson and Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown, where when you come across this confidently and then you deliver and you're winning games, and then to add to it, his son is the quarterback, it unnerves certain people and unnerves other black people sometimes, right? So that's what this whole moment is about. It's very foolish. It's very stupid. I hope they win. I think they have a late game on Saturday night, which I will be watching after I go over to Howard to watch Howard and Hampton. I do wish he had stayed with HBCUs, of course, but I do love seeing someone black, whether it's Beyonce or, or Deon Sanders bring the gate, bring the money, bring the power. I love seeing the whole thing. And again, I,

I don't know nothing about really, I don't know anything about college football other than this, other than this thing that's happening right here, which I am enjoying a great deal. I pulled this story up, I pulled this up right here, which I am enjoying a great deal. I pulled this story up. I pulled this up right here, Reesey. It looks like Colorado is favored to win by about 23 and a half points. I'm just saying it ain't really a good thing to sit and talk a little trash

when you might get the brakes beat off of you. And DM might sit here and say, no, no, put up 60 or 70 on them. And I guess I think back, remember the scene from Remember the Titans when the white coach called Herman Boone, played by Denzel Washington, a monkey, and then the game was over, Denzel shook his hand, and then tossed a banana at him. I don't know about y'all, but if I'm Deion, I'm going to beat y'all by 50, 60 points.

I might come to the center field, shake your hand, and toss a pair of shades at you. I'm petty like that. I'm petty like that. Risa, we know you petty, but I'm petty like that too. Oh, first of all,

I think there's no dispute on your level of petty. Okay, Roland. So we are here and here on that. I mean, yes, Dr of all, I think there's no dispute on your level of petty. Okay, Roland. So we are here and here on that. I mean, yes, Dr. Carr, you're right about history, about significance, about HBCUs. Yes, absolutely. But we live in an entertainment society and primetime is entertainment. He brings the drama. He brings the drama.

He brings the flair. And so, I mean, yes, you can, I mean, I'm not saying you personally, but yes, I think people have a great deal of reason to be justifiably salty about what he did, especially because he made such a big ordeal or made himself a martyr of HBCUs only to bounce to Colorado.

But in this instance, I'm 100% rocking with primetime because I despise respectability politics. And I feel like when people don't really have the ammo based on the substance, that's when they start to go to the little frivolous, trivial shit, like talking about how you're supposed to yes,

master it, tip your head and take your head off and take your shades off and show deference to the white people asking these black people questions. And so, yeah, you know, obviously to Lauren's point, Norvell is unnerved. He's probably going to lose. And so he has to make it about who's more respectable

and who's been raised right. None of that shit matter. Who's going to win at the end of the day? That's what people are going to be talking about, not somebody's sunglasses. I just want to boil it down to, so I just don't understand. Look, man, do you. Do you. I don't care if you wear a hat, you wear shades, wear a visor.

I really don't care. It don't matter to me. I'm going to just do you. But most importantly, get your team ready, because the reality is, they judge you based upon wins and losses and nothing else. And so, bro, you might want to go ahead and

get prepared for that butt whip because I'm telling you, I think Shadua's gonna be like, nah, Dan, let me go ahead and throw for touchdowns with two minutes left in the game and we up 40. That's how they do. And here's the other deal. Let me tell y'all right now, I don't believe

in this concept of you don't let players score. I believe you run the score up. I ain't got a problem with that because I personally believe – I don't know how you feel about this, Lauren, Reesey, and Greg. I personally believe the third and the fourth stringers get the dessert ahead of their shot as well. And so I ain't got no problem if you putting up 50, 60, 70 points because look, that's just what happens.

If you ain't good enough to play, well, guess what? They don't play. That's just me. That's just me. All right, y'all. I appreciate. Uh-huh.

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I said, I'm with you, Roland. I'm with you. Colorado just signed. What'd you say? Go ahead, Roland. I'm with you. Colorado just signed. Go ahead, Greg. Colorado is about to make $31.8 million off the Big 12 deal stalled in 2024. I don't know why anybody thinks that Deion's there against Deion Sanders. They want him to do it. The Wu-Tang Clan was out.

You know how many Negroes are going to be buying Colorado jerseys? We're finished. If you want to know why we're not going to win, study Deion Sanders in Colorado. Or not. Well, I see what I see. What was the one of the things one of the things that one of the things that I remind people, you know, to the point. And and I've said this before. And folks, if you're if you're really pay attention to this show. One thing that we try to do is really get people to understand history and break this whole thing now go back to the foreshot understand the history of how we break this whole

thing down uh and that is we have to understand institution building and you also understand following the money and so when you look at perfect example um and i understand why we do it but i think a lot of times we don't actually step back and ask ourselves why we do it we talk about jackie robinson breaking the major league color barrier and we held that we talk about how that's amazing but i think people forget first of all the great players were in the major leagues. The white money was in, quote, major league baseball. They had better stadiums, better lighting, better uniforms, better food, better travel. But when it came to the play, it was better players in the major league baseball. Just Google Dizzy Dean, D-I-Z-Z-Y-D-E-A-N. He often played against Negro

League baseball players in the offseason, and he said the better players were there. Now, and these were black players who sometimes played three and four games in one day. In one day. Jackie Robinson leads. Jackie Robinson was not a star in the Negro League. He was barely there. But Jackie Robinson going to the Negro League actually led to the demise of the Negro League. So we complain about why you don't have any black owners of teams. There were black owners of the Negro League. That's right. All I'm simply saying is people begin to

understand when we talk about ownership and the reality and I get it I totally get it I totally understand what happens when we talk about mainstream crossover and things along those lines but we also have to understand why it's important to build black institutions and understand the difference. And so I did the segment because I and so the reason I did this segment is because Jay Norville, a black coach, should know better playing into the respectability hands and how that's going to be received by his white patrons. And so when Jay Norvell criticizes Dion's hat and shirt, excuse me, hat and shades, he's criticizing black swagger.

He's criticizing a black man who says, I'm going to come to Jackson's, I'm going to come to Colorado and I'm going to have the same swagger I had at Jackson State. And that's what, so to Greg's point, when the Wu-Tang Clan shows up at Colorado, you had cats showing up down there with Jackson State. And so Deion's like, I'm going to be Deion. If anybody knows Deion history, he was like that in high school, in college. The boy went to the NFL draft, rolled up in a limousine, got out, ran the 40-yard dash, and went back and got in the car and left. He wasn't sitting here working out like the rest of them.

He ran the fastest time ever and said, all right, I'm out. That's the whole deal. But we have to recognize, and this is why I think this story is important. Why I talk about how you got to do you. When we as black people go into white spaces, they don't, they say what they want, but they actually don't want our blackness to come with it. I go back to that. Rowling wasn't the right kind of black. That was a black executive who told solar Brad or told L.

Brian that I wasn't the right kind of black at CNN. So there's a certain, so there's a certain type of Negro that they like. And so the reality is what Dion is saying is I'm going to do me and I'm winning. Now, granted, it's a whole bunch of people who can't wait for their first loss and their second loss and their third loss. And they can't. Lord, don't let them not go to a vote. See, they lying in wait for them to lose.

See, I told you. I told you. And so what we as black people, and this is why I'm doing this segment. But I want a bunch of y'all watching and listening. And I see a bunch of y'all do this with Vice President Kamala Harris, but she ain't really black. You know, she Jamaican and she Indian. Well, ain't that something? Y'all claim Harry Belafonte

as black, but he got Jamaican roots. You claim Colin Powell as a brother, but he got Jamaican roots. Oh, y'all love claiming Eric Holder, but he got Barbados roots.

Oh, y'all love y'all Soquamish Ture, Stokely Carmichael. Greg, what's his roots? Trinidad and Tobago, brother. Trinidad and Tobago. So I'm just saying that as black people,

we gotta be real careful when we literally start using the language of the oppressors against our own in order to placate them and make them comfortable. That's why I did the segment, because it's a lot of us who do that, who then begin to change how we talk and how we act and how we walk. But you do that. The white folks are watching. What's wrong with you? You can't come in here and do that. What are these white folks going to say? That's exactly how a bunch of us sound when that happens. And so that's what Jay Norville sound like.

So, Dion, go ahead and put up by 75 against them, and I ain't going to be offended. All right, we got to go. Greg, Reese, and Lauren, I appreciate it. Y'all take care. Thanks for joining us. Folks, we're here at the House of Hope tomorrow here at the House of Hope. McDonald's is kicking off their Six City

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