#RolandMartinUnfiltered - GA voter purge kicks 200k off rolls; Black Econ Alliance backs Biden/Harris; Tulsa massacre lawsuit

Episode Date: September 4, 2020

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Yeah, yeah, he's funky, he's fresh, he's real, the best, you know he's Rollin' Martin. Black business leaders say a Biden-Harris administration will be better for African-Americans than a Trump-Pence administration. The Black Economic Alliance issued their first presidential endorsement since its founding in 2018. Joining us now is the executive director of the Black Economic Alliance, David Clooney. David, how are you doing? I'm well, Roland. How are you? All right. So so we talk about this particular endorsement here. Let's talk about economics. And that is Donald Trump makes the argument that he has done more for black people since Abraham Lincoln. We know that's absolutely false. I've heard some people say, hey, the tax cuts have been a boon to black businesses.

So why is the Black Economic Alliance endorsing Biden-Harris over Trump-Pence? So the Black Economic Alliance, a group of black business leaders, is endorsing Biden-Harris because we've been working with the campaign over the last few months. We've seen them beef up not only their campaign staff and hiring senior Black folks like Simone Sanders, Karine Jean-Pierre, having Cedric Richmond, Congressman Cedric Richmond, the former chair of the CBC, Congressional Black Caucus, as their national campaign chair, but also in working with us and getting the input of other trusted black-led organizations and figuring out how their plans can be tailored to close the racial wealth gap.

If we want to talk about the 2017 tax plan, let's talk about Opportunity Zones, for example. That program was meant to drive investment to underserved, disinvested communities, particularly communities of color. In fact, it is largely served as a boon to developers who are doing real estate deals and gentrifying neighborhoods already. There is a significant need for reform. And that's one of the many things that Joe Biden put out in his racial equity plan as the fourth pillar of his Build Back Better. But if you talk to the Trump people, they say, hey, $75 billion has gone to these opportunity zones. I have been asking them for the data saying, show me how that actually has benefited African-Americans. They can't do that. And so

you're saying y'all analysis is that when he touts those opportunity zones, that has not been helpful to black folks. Our point is the opportunity zones has the right purpose in trying to drive more investment to these communities. We're saying that the way it is structured is in need of reform because it does not apply enough restriction and specific requirements that make sure that the benefit goes to the community that are meant to benefit from this plan. So beyond the economic zone, opportunity zones, what else are you saying to African-Americans, black business owners? Why a Biden-Harris administration would be better for black people economically than Trump-Pence?

Great question. So at the Black Economic Alliance, we focus on work, wages and wealth. All three of those things are addressed in Joe Biden's economic plans. And like I said, we've worked very closely together and we look forward to working together from forward at real significant systemic change. I think we have a landscape now politically where we could have a groundbreaking legislation and significant reform, particularly led by people who look like us, having perhaps the most administration we've ever had,

given the political climate. But specifically, things like small business support. He is giving public-private partnerships or supporting public-private partnerships in an effort to increase access to capital. You know, the Paycheck Protection Program in general, that black business owners just do not have enough access to capital, particularly from the traditional banking system.

He's talked about making a historic commitment to equalizing federal procurement, investing in home ownership, particularly for communities of color. You know, home ownership is a large builder of wealth, growth, wealth, and things in the silver generation. And looking at retirement security, equity equity infrastructure plan, that's thinking about how both in your procurement, designing infrastructure plans, there's a specific plans on benefiting communities of color. Second chance hiring. And as I talked about first, I think the political climate now, we have still recognition from the Biden-Harris campaign that they know we have a moment that we have to respond to.

And that the only way to do that is to be bold in our ads and also to put the right people in place like Kamala Harris who know the black experience and know firsthand what's needed to really move forward on closing the wealth. All right, then. David Clooney, we surely appreciate it. Thank you so very much for joining us. Thanks for having me, Robert. All right, my panel is Breonna Cartwright, political strategist, A. Scott Bolden, former chair of National Bar Association Political Action Committee, Robert Petillo, executive director of the Rainbow Push Coalition Peachtree Street Project. Robert, I'll start with you. Let's talk economics here. And so, first of all, this is a group of black business leaders. Donald Trump has tried to make the

argument that he is the right person for the job. But also the Congressional Budget Office just dropped their new report showing that the federal deficit is now three point three trillion dollars. It was five hundred ninety six billion when Obama was president. Donald Trump has added three point seven trillion to that. And so those tax cuts and he touts and I've heard black black business owners, black men say, oh, that's been a boon to us. But the black worker has not necessarily said the same thing. Well, in large part, we have to think about the fact that much of this is performative, the nature of the reforms of Trump. As in when we talk about the low unemployment rate, it was all built off of the national credit card.

We're going to cut taxes at the same time as increasing spending. We're going to not articulate any plan to pay this money back. And then when anything happens to knock us off that razor's edge, we saw the entire economy collapse and now nearly 60 million people filing unemployment claims. We have to have a sound economic and fiscal policy that is actually sustainable. No one believes that our current economic system is sustainable or something that can grow. And just as Trump talks much about the opportunity zones of what they've done for the black community, what we have not, he also in the same breath, talks about the fact that so many black communities are in poverty that they have not improved. We see the commercials and ads from many black Republicans talking about the despotic hellscapes of black communities around the country,

but with no plan or articulation on how they exactly are going to fix it. So people have to get out of the performative nature of public policy and dig down and ask for the dollar and cents numbers on what needs to be done to ensure that we have the economic prosperity that's been promised by this administration and others before it. When you look, Brianna, when you look at this again, they are making a financial decision here, the Black Economic Alliance. And so what kind of impact do you think it could have in speaking to black voters? Donald Trump has made it clear they want to this administration wants to target black men specifically. They think they can get 20 percent of black men voting for Donald Trump. How do they make the argument that, you know what, it actually Trump Pence has not been a boon to black people economically. Right, right. I think that it's very important that the Black Economic Alliance endorsed Biden-Harris.

And Trump has been horrible for black businesses. You know, the coronavirus outbreak has been extremely tough for black businesses. Even with the PPP and the Economic Injury Disaster Loan, programs in black businesses have had a more difficult time getting these federal relief programs. An example would be in D.C., at Finch Chili's Bowl. And so it's been an iconic place for black people in D.C. for over 60 years, and they almost didn't survive because of the wait time for the PPP loan. They were so strapped for cash, they closed all locations except one. And so that shows you how Trump hasn't been good for black businesses. Scott, go ahead.

Yeah. You know what I really like about BEA and I'm. Pardon me. Go ahead. You're live. Go ahead. What I like about BEA is, and I'm a big contributor to theirs, is that they have not only corporate dollars, but sizable wealth of its black members and board members, and they give money to those who are going to give and invest

and select Democratic candidates or even Republican candidates who are going to fulfill their economic agenda, their economic empowerment. There's no other organization like it. Secondly, the problem with Donald Trump, and even when he talks about lower black unemployment, the problem with him is that he has no targeted urban agenda to not only empower black people, but let alone black businesses. If you look at the unemployment that went down to three, four, five percent, well, white unemployment went down and so did black unemployment. But the gap between black and whites unemployment numbers never changed, which means he did nothing to close the gap

because he hasn't targeted them as part of his urban agenda, let alone implemented or invested anything in closing that gap because he's not interested. Those two things have to happen under Biden-Harris. And what BEA is saying is it is more likely that they can keep Biden-Harris accountable in directing black economic empowerment, not only in the urban centers, but all across the country. We'll have to see. Look, the bottom line is Trump is going to try to make an economic argument to African-Americans, especially black men. But he can't, though. He can't. But here's the deal, though. Here's the deal, though, Scott. The Quinnipiac, their poll came out today. It is showing 11% black support. He got 8% in 2016. Again, Robert, the Trump campaign, I've heard it from this White House directly.

They believe, they got 13% of the black male vote. They believe that they can push that to 18 to 20 percent. So how does Biden Harris? I get all of the attention folks had on black women, black women, black women. But the reality is this here. The New York Times had a story the other day. You cannot repeat the Obama winning coalition without black men. Robert, what must Biden Harris say specifically to black men to get their votes in November? Well, one, they have to articulate a message that actually benefits the African-American male. Quite frankly, what Donald Trump has done is do a very good job of appealing to men in the campaign generally, and then specifically to black men.

I can name more black male surrogates for Donald Trump than I can name black male surrogates for Joe Biden. When you see interviews of black conservatives, you have Bruce O'Veill, you have Paris Jenner, you have Deontay Johnson, you have Malik. You know, I can rattle them off. I don't know a black man who is speaking on the side of Joe Biden on a regular basis besides Cory Booker. I also think that the first thing that Democrats mouth can no longer just be criminal justice reform when we talk about the needs of African-American men.

Not all of us are criminals. Not all of us, that's our first agenda item. And quite frankly, they have to make sure that they're articulating this in a way that we can actually repeat and that we can hold them accountable for, instead of simply going to the old tropes. They've just launched the barbers or the shop talk series with the Biden-Harris campaign, so they are making some efforts to reach out. But I do think that they—you can't just try to ride the black girl magic train across the finish line. You're going to have to reach out to brothers.

And when you go to barber shops, when you go to the grocery store, when you go to your fraternity, when you go to play basketball, whatever you're doing, not many people, black men are super excited about the Biden campaign. I think they have about 30 days to fix that. But go ahead. They're not excited about it because Biden and Harris aren't talking to them about it. They're talking at them. That's first of all. Second of all, I got to tell you, I think I may have told you this story. In 2016, the janitor in my building said to me after Trump won on election night, he said,

I voted for Trump. I said, are you nuts? He said, nope, I'm not nuts. And then he told me, he said, I'm pushing this broom because an illegal immigrant came in and took my construction job. And the only person that's speaking to that, because I'm still pushing this broom, is Donald Trump. Hillary Clinton never spoke to me about that, or at least I wasn't convinced that she was talking to black men about that. And I lost my job. In that narrative that he shared with me was not only eye-opening, but I tell you what, Biden and Harris better address and talk to black men about that issue and other issues that are affecting them and their ability to provide for their families, as well as to be economically empowered based on voting for them. I haven't heard that yet, but that's where that 11 to 13 percent is coming from of black men who supported the Trump ticket.

Well, I'll tell you, Breonna. Rightfully or wrongfully, by the way. Rightfully or wrongfully. You absolutely have to have surrogates out there to talk about those issues. And look, and I hear your point, Robert, but the reality is Congressman Cedric Richmond has been out there, Congressman Jim Clyburn. But you also have to go outside, Breonna, of members of Congress. You've got to go to individuals who are business owners, individuals who are out here, who can talk a narrative, who can also speak in and speak to those issues. Robert is right.

I mean, here's the deal. There are a bunch of us who never been involved in the criminal justice system. So so you can't say criminal justice, mass incarceration, think you're just talking to black men. No, you have to articulate a much broader message. And again, that's what they are going to have to figure out. And they got to get it done because Joe Biden cannot afford slippage. He has to be able to have the kind of coalition that's actually going to achieve it. Breonna, go ahead. Yes, I totally agree that it can't just be Congress members. However, there is black caucus men who are helping within

this. Specifically, he has 300 black ministers nationally that's helping propel the message and being surrogates. And so I think it comes in different aspects within our community. And I, you know, as we talked about for businesses, but through the church. I do think that there is a heavy target on black women, as we've seen, and we love Kamala. And it makes sense in itself that, you know, the past few weeks, Joe Biden has put Kamala Harris out in front in terms of messaging and what a Democratic White House will do in regard to economic policy, small businesses and jobs. And so I think concentrating on the labor aspect of our nation and how we can get it better will really drive home a lot of the issues that we're seeing, you know, as we see that he's targeting black men by pardoning just the way that he targeted immigrants by doing the citizenship randomly during the RNC to go over there, that's kind of like hard to fight. But I think people are looking for more than just symbols and they want action.

And the last four years have shown how he does not help black America. I got you. And I think that's very important. But real quick, I think there's an immigration issue when it comes to black. Robert, go ahead. Well, actually, actually, actually, actually, actually, actually, the immigration issue is a big issue with black men. I can tell you that going back to when I did. Look, I can go back to 2008 when I had my radio show on WVON when that issue came up, how how that was a major issue with the callers. But Robert, go ahead. Well, I think one of the things that's important is there is no current Biden elevator pitch to black men that if I was to say distill down what Joe Biden is going to do for African

American men in a 30 second pitch, most people can't. I think until the Democratic Party is able to articulate something along those lines, it's going to be very difficult to not have Donald Trump get that 20 percent of the black vote, because even if it's disingenuous, a lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can put on its pants. And they just keep hammering unemployment first step at opportunity zones and then roll out the black surrogates. That is enough to get you over 20 percent unless there's a strong counterpunch from the Democratic Party. Folks, it is 61 days, 61 days until Election Day. And, of course, our goal is to get you focused on that.

Make sure you go to vote.org to double check your registration to register to vote. You can also fill out the 2020 census. Why is that important? Because of this. In 2019, Georgia purged nearly 200,000 people from the rolls in error. The American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia released a report by the Palace Investigative Fund titled Georgia Voter Roll Purge Errors.

The report concluded that the state has incorrectly removed nearly 200,000 Georgia citizens from the voter rolls in 2019. The state's removals are likely to affect the most vulnerable. Joining us right now is Greg Palast. Glad to have you back on Roller Martin Unfiltered. 200,000, that easily,

easily, sways an election. You think losing 200,000 voters might affect the election? Yeah. In a massive way. And I'm going to tell you something else. I know you'll be shocked to hear this, Roland, but of the 198,000 people that they've wrongly removed, overwhelmingly young people and voters of color. So, you know, are you shocked? No, no, I'm not shocked. In fact, when you talk about those young voters, I have been telling civil rights groups when they were talking about voter suppression,

don't just talk about it in the framework of just people of color. They've got to be telling white folks who are young, hey, they're targeting you, too. In 2012 or 2012 or 2016, not 2012, I'm sorry, 2012, a county clerk in Wisconsin admitted moving an early voting location off of a college campus because too many of those young whites were voting Democrat. And she moved it to a far out place, which made it harder for them to be able to get to. We've seen the same thing happen in North Carolina. And so I've said to young white folks, y'all are part of voter suppression as well. So that's also why I keep telling people they have to check the registration grid, go to vote.org to double check it, because the problem is, and you know, give us your site as

well, because people are assuming, oh, no, no, no, I'm good. And I'm like, no, you got to double and triple check because they might screw you. Well, if you are in Georgia, I really want you to go to this website. Now pay attention. It's savemyvote.org. Excuse me, savemyvote2020.org. Savemyvote2020.org. Yes. Got it. You can also go to my name, Greg Palace dot com and we'll link you through. Look, here's what they did. I don't. They said all these people move three hundred thousand people. Well, where are the moving trucks, Roland? Where the Atlanta should be emptied out if all these people left. So I was suspicious. So I hired the post office's experts. The post office has people that are licensed to go through address chain.

The state didn't use the people that the post office licenses to tell you where people live for sure. And by the way, that's in the law. But, you know, what does the federal law mean in Georgia? They've ignored it. As far as we could tell, they found these addresses, I don't know, people think that they can vote. Because remember, if you're purged, that is you're erased from the voter rolls. And it's in Wisconsin and Georgia and Michigan and many, many states. But if you're purged, you're not getting that mail-in ballot. You can't mail in your ballot if it's not mailed to you. And that's part of the trick. And most people have no idea that they've lost their right to vote. Yep, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, and we see again how they're playing games with it. We're seeing right now what is happening. Look, the Republicans, and I have no problem saying it, they want to shave off thousands of

votes because they know they're not growing their party. If they can depress turnout, one, two, put all these barriers in place, three, we see what's happening with the post office. And then even if people do vote, they're going to be looking for every single error. I've got folks now, Greg, who are saying Democrats forget mailing your ballot, strap up, get fully loaded and vote in person because they're going to be targeting those mail in votes. Yes. Let let me let me explain something. Twenty two percent of all mail in ballots never get counted roll. And that's the MIT study. One in five ballots don't get counted.

Now, there's ways for you to avoid having your ballot canceled out on you. Number one, make sure you're registered. You're not getting that ballot if you're not registered. One in ten people ask for the ballot, don't get them or don't get them on time. So ask, like, right now. Like, right after this program. You go and ask for your mail-in ballot if you want it now. And you mail in at least a week and preferably two weeks early. And then if you have healthy friends, they should go in and be poll watchers for the vote

count because you're right about something. When ballots are mailed in, about one in eight, one in eight mail-in ballots is challenged. They don't like your signature. 100,000 people lost their vote for postage due. In fact, signature, 141,000 ballots were thrown out because of suspect signature. Now, were there 141,000 fraudulent, felonious forgers who stole ballots and forged your signature? No, no one, not one person was arrested for forging an absentee ballot, but they disqualified 141,000. Be very careful how you fill it out. My sister is a lawyer, lost her vote, her mail-in vote, because she didn't properly fill in the bubble next to her candidate. Wow. Follow the instructions. And in many states, by the way,

you're going to have to, you're going to have to have a witness. In Alabama, two witnesses, or you're going to have to have your ballot notarized. So you might be right that the best thing, if you're safe enough, if you are young enough, healthy enough, bring your hazmat suit and an umbrella and some food and get ready to wait four or five hours in that line to vote. But I would rather you vote early when there's no line. Right, right. I understand there's no lines in midweek when people are at the early voting stations. Almost every state has it. And a lot of states let you fill out an absentee ballot and then bring it in. So you don't have to go through the post office, get your ballot, fill it out, bring it in, put it in a drop box, your county elections office or take it to the polling station midweek during early voting.

There's no one there. It's safe. It's quick. And you don't have four hours in line on Election Day. Greg Palast, I appreciate it. Again, go to GregPalast.com, G-R-E-G-P-A-L-A-S-T.com. If you are in Georgia to double check to make sure that you have not been removed from the voter rolls and the is it saved my vote. Twenty twenty dot org. Exactly. Save my vote. Twenty twenty dot org. You got it right. All right, Greg, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot. You're the best. Thank you very much, sir. Robert, I want to start with you. You're there in Georgia. Get Stacey Abrams constantly talked about this in her race against Brian Kemp. This also, though, is not just Georgia. That lawsuit, when it came to purging people from

the voter rolls, which the Supreme Court allowed, which they allowed to go through, which is interesting because when it came to the gerrymandering case, they said, hey, we don't have any role when it comes to political gerrymandering, but they allowed that to go through. There was a white guy who sued in Ohio, which opened the door to voter purges, where they say, hey, you haven't voted in one or two elections, we can remove you from the rolls.

We have to get our people to be constantly in a state of mind, check your registration, because I had a frat brother who texted me. He voted in the primary this year. Watch this show. He's in Arizona. Went back. He wasn't on the voting roll. He re-registered. Well, on that point, I think I think part of what we have to do is look at what Republicans do. They are playing chess at a very high level. They plan these things out five, 10, 15, 20 years ahead of time. We were fighting back when I was in college in Georgia, marching against the voter I.D. laws, fighting in 2010 against reducing the number of days for early voting, fighting against the restrictions on absentee ballots. So what we have to start doing is thinking about these things strategically and not figuring

out 60 or 70 days before the election that the game is about to be rigged. We are going to have to get these Democratic groups and these left-leaning groups to put the necessary money into elections, put the necessary money into getting people getting to fighting against voter suppression on the far term and not simply waiting until a couple months before to understand the games being rigged against us. And in the meantime, we have to put the money into community-based organizations that are fighting to protect the vote. Brianna?

I can't see you. Can't hear you. I'm sorry, but can't hear you. I think you're muted. Unmute yourself. There we go. George. There we go. Sorry about that. Georgia is under Republican control. It's a laboratory for stealing democracy at this point. And it's crazy to think that nearly 200000 people in Georgia were removed from the voter file under the pretense that, you know, they had moved. In fact, that they did it. So, you know, it makes up 63 percent of the people who are removed as registered voters. That's scary. And, you know, who gets held accountable for this? Absolutely nobody. We've seen it now over and over and over again. We've seen it in different states. It's going to get worse. We need a lot of people on deck. I do like the suggestion. I know more states were ramping up of putting drop boxes instead of nailing. But, you know, Republicans, you know, have have been targeting disenfranchisement for a while. You know, that's how Stacey Abrams lost her election, over 50,

little over 50,000 votes. And Republicans control the state. And so it's even crazier that, you know, the reported number of voters who are legally removed could be even higher, as this number doesn't include those who moved within their district, who actually did move. And so someone, you know, could have moved from apartment A to apartment C in the same building in Georgia would have removed them from the list of registered voters, which is insane. And so we do need to make sure that we're equipped. I do know I think it's I can't remember, but I do know that there's now a store that's going to have their workers be poll workers. We need more poll workers. That's the old Navy. I'm sorry. Old Navy. Old Navy. I'm sorry. Old Navy.

Oh, Navy. Yes, absolutely. Old Navy. And and that's very important because a lot of the people who are doing who are poll workers previously were old and they may not be able to be around people as much. And it's very, very important to make sure that we're protecting the vote. There's people to make sure there's no voter intimidation. And so we've been ramping up on that. And I think it's very important to make sure today that you go to make sure that you're still registered to vote and that you, that if not, you get registered to vote. Because in some states, starting this month, you're going to receive a ballot if you're doing absentee. So, you know, it seems like it's early, but for some states, it's really not.

It's almost voting time. So we need to make sure that we're on the rolls and that we can vote. Scott, bottom line is this here. Again, part of our job is to ensure that you don't get caught up in the web. So to Greg's point, 22 percent of mail-in ballots are getting thrown out. Bottom line, if you're going to vote by mail-in, check everything. Check full name. Check your address. Do everything exactly the way it's supposed to go to ensure your ballot is going to be counted. Yeah, you know, I listen to all of these messages and they're all out there and we're all saying the right thing. I often wonder how many people of your frontline voters or your average voter are really listening, right? They say to themselves, how long,

how hard can it be to vote? I got it. I'm going to cross my T's and dot my I's and I'll get there and so forth and so on. And I guess my message to them is that, no, this is not going to be easy. We're running against three different opponents as Democrats. We're running against the GOP and Donald Trump. We're running against foreign interference in our democracy. The reports have come out on that. And then we're running against voter suppression, not only in swing states, but all around the country and not just in the South. And so the Democrats, regardless of us being up 10 to 12 points, if you will, or even seven points, run and vote like you're down seven to 10 points. Vote early, do it the right way.

Or as he said, I love the idea of your last guess. He said, fill it out, right? And take it down early in the middle of the day when nobody's there and do your early voting. That's a perfect scenario for those who may be elderly, those who are middle-aged and even young people, despite COVID. And it's healthy too, if you do it that way with your mask and what have you versus these long lines and stuff. We got to pay attention on this one, right? Because our life and our future and our future of our country literally, literally depend on it.

And so we've got to treat it that way. And I hope everyone watching and their families treat it that way because it's super serious business. It is nothing to sleep on. Here's the deal, though. Robert, they are listening. They are listening. I mean, I get the emails.

People have gone back and checked, but here's the piece. You got to do it every day. Look, mainstream media, they aren't doing what we're doing, okay? They're not doing this, all right? Mainstream media, that was the case at CNN.

They were working on a voter suppression documentary that was going to air in October. I was like, what the hell are y'all doing? The registration has already passed. I'm like, you should be working on voter voter suppression stuff long before the registration deadline. No, this has to be a constant deal. We got to every single day. Every person who is listening, the nearly more than 4000,000 people who are watching live on YouTube, the more than a thousand people who are on Facebook, the people who are on Periscope, you got to, again, all I'm simply saying is folks, it takes two minutes, go to vote.org,

double check, make sure you're still registered. If you're not, click the registration, you can register right there. We have to be in that constant state every day, Robert, every day, every day, every day. A big part of understanding demographics, we're talking about Georgia. Let's remember that Georgia is a state that is 35% African-American, that is 10% Latino, that is 5% Asian-American, 52% females. Everybody knows Atlanta has a humongous LGBTQIAPK plus population. But instead of us harnessing that, instead of us focusing on making sure we can get those turnout numbers, often what the Democratic Party does is try to get those South Georgia farmers in Cairo who voted for Jimmy Carter and think that they can get them back to voting Democrat.

No, focus on getting the people who like you to get out there and vote instead of trying to find this elusive white working class vote, as Donald Trump says, suburban wife, to come back over to the party. Focus on the people who are going to vote for you. Put out messaging that motivates them. And more importantly, ensure that you can get all of their votes counted, that regardless of what the rules are, know what the rules are, and then put money into getting those people to the ballot box. It's not that hard, but for some reason, I think Democrats are wed to this idea of the 1950s, that the truck drivers and factory workers and the white working class voters are going to come back to them.

When you can, whenever you double down in investigating African-Americans to support you, putting in messaging, putting in the dollars, then you can win with that. Folks, let's go to Tulsa, where a 105-year-old Black woman leads a group of Oklahomans to filing a lawsuit against the city of Tulsa. They're demanding reparations for the 1921 Tulsa race massacre. Nearly 100 years ago, a white mob destroyed the booming business district in the Black neighborhood, killing up to 300 people. The lawsuit affirms that the massacre is responsible for racial inequality in Tulsa today. Joining us right now is Tulsa attorney Demario Solomon-Simmons. So first of all, this this has been a case. I've covered this for years. Professor Charles Ogletree, y'all pray for him. He suffered from Alzheimer's.

Johnny Cochran and other other black lawyers were working on this particular case. The state of Oklahoma, they apologize, but have not done what was right when it comes to financial. And that is and there were more survivors who were alive when this thing 15 years ago, and they've been fighting this thing for the longest. You're suing for this one. You're suing the city, not the state. Explain. Well, thanks, Roland, for having me on.

And thank you for invoking my mentor, Charles Ogletree. I started my legal career 16 years ago as a baby lawyer working with he and Johnny Cochran of the Reparations Coordinating Committee on the federal case. And as you know, that case was kicked out of court by the Supreme, by the Temp Circuit and ultimately not heard by the Supreme Court in 2005. Our lawsuit is much different and we feel much stronger about our chances moving forward this year because we are actually following our case in the state court system, utilizing the Oklahoma's powerful, very powerful public nuisance law. And our public nuisance law, you may have remembered just last year, the state of Oklahoma sued the opioid

companies, Johnson & Johnson, and received a $525 million verdict utilizing the same theory and law that we're utilizing, which is a public nuisance theory. So by suing the city, now this becomes a state lawsuit, not a federal lawsuit. Well, we're suing, the defendants is actually the city, the county, the county sheriff's office, the Tulsa, what's called the Tulsa Development Authority and the Tulsa Metropolitan Planning Commission, and also the National Guard. So we have six defendants that we're actually suing. And our theory is, again, it's under Oklahoma law.

We have two claims. One is public nuisance. So basically it goes like this, Marlon. They created a nuisance back in 1921 when they decimated my community, when they looted, burned, and killed, and exiled thousands of my people. They have not done anything to abate or repair that nuisance since that time.

In fact, they've only exacerbated the nuisance and made it worse over the time. To the point now in Oklahoma and North Tulsa, the average person lives, the black Tulsans live 11 years less than white Tulsans. And some of the more impoverished zip codes, that's like 17-year difference in life expectancy. And so utilizing this public nuisance law gives us the opportunity, we believe, to finally get this case in front of a court on its merits and not get kicked out on a procedural statute of limitations argument. Our second claim is unjust enrichment. We are alleging, and we can prove and will prove that those same entities that I've named that created the nuisance, that destroyed and killed our people are now benefiting

from the disaster that they created. They are now utilizing Black Wall Street and the 100-year commemoration as a brand to sell to create tourism that benefits them and not those who suffer. All right. We certainly appreciate you joining us. Good luck in this lawsuit. We'll certainly be covering it in the future. Appreciate it. And as everyone go to justiceforgreenwood.org, that's justiceforgreenwood.org and sign up for regular updates. All right, sir. I appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Good to see you as always. Yes, sir.

All right, folks, let's talk about this. It's quite interesting. William Barr, who is the attorney general, did an interview on CNN where he basically said, y'all complaining about police brutality? This stuff happened to black people. It's not significant. Listen to this.

No, I don't think there are two justice systems. I think the narrative that the police are on some epidemic of shooting unarmed black men is simply a false narrative. And also the narrative that that's based on race. The fact of the matter, it's very rare for an unarmed African American to be shot by a white police officer. There were ten cases last year, six of them the suspect was attacking the police officer physically. So these are rare things compared to the seven to 8,000 young black men who were killed every year.

Cuz you've said you don't believe their systemic racism in the justice and our justice system among the police. But you did say this, you did say, I do think it is a widespread phenomenon that African American males in particular are treated with extra suspicion and maybe not given the benefit of the doubt. No, I don't think there are two justice systems. I think the narrative that- Scott, Bill Barr is arrogant as hell. For Bill Barr to say, that were only 10 cases last year.

What in the hell world is he living in? And if you look at the proportionality, which is what he forgets, that we make up 10 to 13 percent of the American population and proportionally black men unarmed are shot at a much higher proportion than white men and women are by the police. That the proportionality of how we are stopped and harassed and abused by the police, whether you report it or not, proportionately, that number skyrockets. The suspicion of white people versus black people in this country. Every black man has a story about being abused by the police. So how can you say that's a false narrative, comparatively or proportionally speaking? And then where are all the videos of the police abusing poor white kids and women or wealthy white kids and women simply because they aren't suspicious of them? Where are the

videos where the police have pulled out their gun and walked up to a car driven by a white person in this country? They simply do not exist. And by the way, the people perpetrating violence and breaking the law in Portland and Kenosha and Minnesota over George Floyd or Jacobs, right, it's white people perpetrating it, including white people murdering other white people in the presence of the police. That's manifest evidence that what he is saying is borders on the nonsensical or is just purposeful denial to create another false narrative, right? And so the president and his AG are just completely off base here. And again, this's false narrative.

So white people or white Republican voters can feel some level of comfort when the root is either racism or what I call blue racism then. Here's another lie, Breonna. When the issue of mail-in voting came up, watch this. There are several states that only have mail-in voting, including. Watch this. There are several states that only have mail-in voting, including a Republican state like Utah. Well, this is playing with fire. This is playing with fire. We're a very closely divided country here. And if people have to have confidence in the results of the election and the legitimacy of the government, and people trying to

change the rules to this methodology, which as a matter logic, is very open to fraud and coercion, is reckless and dangerous. And people are playing with fire. Well, I will point out there are five states that only have mail-in voting, including Utah and Colorado, Washington State, Oregon, Hawaii. And they've reported over the years they've had virtually no problems. But who's trying to change the rules right now? I would say the people who want to go to mass mail-in ballots. But you understand why there is a coronavirus pandemic. There are several states that only have mail-in voting, including a Republican. Well, this is playing with fire. This is playing with fire.

Here's the deal. Here's the deal. It's real simple here. Brianna, I don't trust a damn thing that Bill Barr says. Not a damn thing. Bill Barr will lie for Donald Trump all day, every day. Yeah, that's very smart of you. You should it, and no one really should. Barr is controlling the narrative, And so is Trump. So the truth does matter. If we do not have media attention around this, then we fail. And it's hard. And that's why we're trying to push the narrative now. And that's why we protest. Last

week, there was a march on Washington. There was a lot of people despite COVID. And we're trying to keep that relevant and realize the numbers. But the RNC literally said that there is no racism at all, right? That was just last week in the convention. And, you know, Biden is addressing it, but, you know, we have to inform the public on it. And there is an issue there. You know, you said, oh, there's no two. It is two different worlds in this country, right?

There's black and white. And unfortunately, one is unfairly treated. And so, you know, those who feel threatened by racial integration of the suburbs is now fighting gun violence as a solution to their unfounded fears of the other attacking them. And so since, you know, that threat was directly stated by Trump, the idea that civil unrest, you know, is not only a present danger, but justification of this use of lethal force by civilians is also the exact kind of fear

tactic Republicans are talking about. So they say we're not racist, but they will also shoot you if, you know, will shoot you if you come near us. So, you know, they're saying one thing, but accents will also shoot you if, you know, will shoot you if you come near us. So, you know, they're saying one thing, but actions speak louder than words. Robert, Bob Bill Barr, Donald Trump,

before them, Jeff Sessions, they made it perfectly clear they did not want to have these police consent decrees. They said, oh, it was just causing too much more morale problems for the officers. This is why people do not trust this Department of Justice. Well, there's people do not trust this Department of Justice. Well, there's no reason to trust this Department of Justice. Let's understand something to Barr's

statement about this narrative. What narrative means is your way of dismissing someone else's lived experience. If you remember before the Me Too movement, when women would talk about sexual harassment and rape and workplace allegations, it was called a narrative. So he's trying to say that these lived experiences that African Americans, and in particular African American males have had, somehow don't exist. I don't have any black male friends who haven't either been in the back of a police car or who have not spent a night in jail. I'm talking about doctors, lawyers, engineers, eyeglasses, so on and so forth.

So he says that only 10 people got killed by the cops, that doesn't account for the thousands who were harassed, who had guns put up to their head, who were stopped and frisked, who have experienced the unequal nature of this criminal justice system. These shootings on video are just the ones to get the national attention. Most of these never, ever get reported to police. So whereas Republicans can talk all they want about opportunity zones and about what they did with the First Step Act, and you can have the performative justice of pardoning Black people on television, when you come directly behind that and dismantle their lived experiences by simply

saying that it's only a narrative that Black people are experiencing violence and experiencing an unequal criminal justice system, that takes away all credibility from the performative justice which you just put out there, because all of as African-American men know that that is the reality of the system and anybody who denies it is implicitly embracing white supremacy and racism. In fact, one of his other quotes was this here, Scott. If anything's been baked into the system, it's a bias toward non-discrimination. What the hell legal world is this dude living in? It's baked in that bias towards non-discrimination.

What does that mean? police and the institutions in this country are so focused on non-discriminatory action or race neutral actions and words that we've eliminated bias and racism from the narrative, from our institutions, and from the country. We live in two worlds, one black, one white. And so the last person I'm going to take advice from on what racism is and its definition and how we live in our black world, if you will, and how we're perceived is someone that doesn't look like me. And he doesn't look like me. and you have zero capability of telling me about my life, what racism is and what I ought to be doing or not doing about this racism narrative that white America wants to deny because they see a black president or they see Oprah Winfrey or they see these images of exceptions to capitalism and racism and all that comes with it. They think they've made it, these people have made it, because there is no racism.

But those people who are doing well, professionals as well as the very wealthy and the working rich, have made it, however you define it, despite racism, despite oppression, despite the fact that race is the tie that binds us. Economics may separate us, but race is the tie that binds us. And we've made it, however you define that, despite racism, not because of it or because it doesn't exist anymore. These are fundamental differences between how people, black people and white people perceive this country because our experiences are substantially different. And you can't own your experience or own my experience if you've never been in my experience. So stop denying racism. And stop telling me what racism is for me, as opposed to white America's view of it, which is all forgiving.

And that was a long time ago. And why should I pay for my ancestors? I want to fix what your ancestors did to me. I want you to forget about it. Well, but bar ain't going to do it. So I have no trust in Bill Barr. Folks, got to go to break. We come back. We'll talk about the latest round of anti-Trump ads. Also, we'll talk with Jacob Blake's father. He'll be joining us along with attorney Ben Crump right here on Roland Martin Unfiltered support the Roland Martin Unfiltered Daily Digital Show by going to RolandMartinUnfiltered.com. Our goal is to get 20,000 of our fans contributing 50 bucks each for the whole year. You can make this possible. RolandMartinUnfiltered.com. The community comes together to support the fight against racial injustice,

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Oh, Donald, bad news. The ratings are in for your convention. It's not pretty. Biden had better ratings than the president last night. Joe Biden beat you. All right, folks, having an issue there,-wise, I want to go ahead and play those from my iPad. The folks at Lincoln, Project Lincoln, they continue to go after Donald Trump with his craziness. He was whining and complaining about how his ratings were larger. Well, fact of the matter is, Joe Biden and Senator Kamala Harris, they had much larger ratings when it came to their convention. And so and so and so what you're looking at here is, again, you know, Trump trying his best to change the narrative.

Let's just say it doesn't really work that way. And not only that, but this is also, here's Joe Biden, again, hitting Donald Trump on this whole issue of America with Trump in charge. Go. Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted. Fires are burning and we have a president who fans the flames.

He can't stop the violence because for years he's fomented it. But his failure to call on his own supporters to stop acting as an armed militia in this country shows how weak he is. Violence will not bring change. It will only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way. From the beginning on that one right there. If I were president, my language would be less divisive. I'd be looking to lower the temperature in this country, not raise it.

Donald Trump. We're going to pull it out, folks. We're going to pull it out. So that's part of the Joe Biden ad. Robert, I want to start with you here. New York Times is reporting that Joe Biden is going to come out with a new ad decrying looting and rioting, a $45 million spend. Are Democrats playing right into the hands of Republicans? Donald Trump apologized for nothing. Donald Trump does not, you know, say, first of all, let me just do this here.

I'm going to play the rest of this ad. I'm going to come back to you. Go pick it up, y'all. Change can only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way. If I were president, my language would be less divisive. I'd be looking to lower the temperature in this country, not raise it. Donald Trump is determined to instill fear in America

because Donald Trump adds fuel to every fire. This is not who we are. I believe we'll be guided by the words of Pope John Paul II, words drawn from the scriptures, be not afraid. I'm Joe Biden and I approve this message. So Robert, he's going to come out with a new ad, decrying looting and rioting. Does that not play into the hands of Republicans? Because Republicans are, oh Joe, you got to decry thating. Does that not play into the hands of Republicans? Because Republicans are all, oh, Joe, you got to decry that. Donald Trump stood in front of the cameras

and literally defended the 17-year-old white kid who killed two people in Kenosha. Look, that's the stupidest thing I've heard from a campaign. What they mean to do is hire some more black folks to do strategy, not just to send emails or to hold town halls. You need to have some black strategists on staff, on payroll, six-figure jobs, black consultants who are cutting these median ad buys. Because let's understand something.

The MAGA is not a campaign. It is a culture. Donald Trump is leading a culture. He's leading a brand. The MAGA brand is I do not apologize. I do not listen to scientific information. I do not care about your feelings. It's about defiance, about contrarianism. It's about don't tread on me. And when you say I'm going to apologize for the burning and looting and protesting, you're forgetting the reason for the burning, looting and protesting, which is George Floyd was killed months ago. And we have had no federal legislation to address police brutality. That throughout this entire summer of demonstration, we have seen nothing on the state level, on the local level. We've seen nothing being done.

That's the reason people are marching and protesting and rioting and looting, because nothing is being done. So instead of addressing the symptom, what you need to be doing is putting out an articulating message on what you will do on day one. Day one, the minute your hand comes off of that Bible, there should be an executive order in place to address the police brutality. That is what we need to address. The looting and rioting is a symptom of that. And by apologizing for it, for coming out with an ad buy on that, you are wasting your money because the people you're trying to appeal to, those suburban housewives that you think that Trump is, that he's winning away from you with his law and order, Nixon in 1968 messaging. Guess what?

They're never coming back. So you either get the, it's just like dating. You date the person who likes you. Quit trying to convince the pretty girl that you're good enough for her. All she's going to do is settle. Get out there

and you get the person who likes you and you pay attention to them. That's not what they're doing and that's how you end up losing elections. It should be a layup. What you're looking at, but Brianna, what's the deal is, he is talking, first of all, he ain't attention to them. That's not what they're doing. And that's how you end up losing elections. It should be a layup. What you look at. But, Brianna, what's still he is talking. First of all, he ain't talking to us. He is talking to white voters in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. He's talking to white voters in Minnesota, Ohio.

That's what he's talking to. He's talking to those white voters because Donald Trump is targeting those white voters by saying, oh, suburban women are just scared. Look what they're doing. That's what he's doing. But by doing that, does he play right into the Republicans hands? Because what's the next thing they're going to say? He better apologize for he better criticize. They credit they apologize for nothing. Yeah. So I think overall Biden's message is on point. And we do see the issues of the bars and the Trumps who just want to dismiss versus discuss. And so, you know, I do believe that the whole Trump is awful. We finally need to get rid of this orange cloud is not enough. And the reality is Joe Biden is elected with a Democratic Congress within a year.

America will have a fifteen dollars an hour minimum wage. The most significant expansion of federal aid to child care since Head Start was founded. The massive investment needed to retrofit our country 100 percent towards clean energy by 2035. The most significant infrastructures built in 30 years and health care coverage expanded to literally millions of more people. And so collectively, those things will make tens of millions of lives better, raise millions of workers out of poverty, save hundreds of thousands of people from early death, and improve the childhoods of millions of children, not to mention possibly help save our species from extinction. So that's why we need to vote for Biden, not just because Orge Man is bad, right? And so I do think that's very important to press those points. Let's go back to those ads. Go ahead and press play.

Oh, Donald, bad news. The ratings are in fear convention. It's not pretty. Biden had better ratings than the president last night. Joe Biden beat you by a lot. The TV president, the reality TV president who sold himself as a showman. Below Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. And these two. Is yet to come. Embarrassing.

Democrats beat you in ratings every night, except one. When your wife was giving a speech. Ouch. That's got to be awkward at the dinner table. Even Fox said you were low energy. He didn't seem to have the bite. He was, I think, a little fat. We know it's different now.

You're tired. It's hard to keep your ratings up. You used to get applause. Now, get ready to hear. You're fired. The Lincoln Project is responsible for the content of this advertising. Donald Trump is panicking, finding any excuse to show up in military communities. He knows if elections were held today, he'd lose the military vote in a landslide. 60% of active duty officers disapprove of his presidency because Donald Trump

disrespects those who serve. He's not a war hero. He's a war hero. I like people that weren't captured, okay? Our troops are in more danger today because of Donald Trump's betrayals. He abandoned our Kurdish allies in Syria, playing into Russia's hand. He wouldn't stand up for our troops when Putin put bounties on their heads in Afghanistan. His weakness emboldens the enemy. Now Russia is directly engaging U.S. troops, slamming into our patrols in Syria, intercepting our bombers, and flying their bombers dangerously close to American airspace. Trump's refusal to defend America's national security is dangerous. His refusal to stand up for our troops is humiliating.

His threat to deploy active duty troops against American citizens is unconstitutional. So when it comes to the military vote for the next commander in chief, Trump's not leading. He's losing. Environmental pollution contributed to the deaths of about 9 million people in 2015. That's nearly 15 times as many deaths from war and all forms of violence.

A newly released government report is revealing the dire consequences of climate change. Human activity is causing climate change in the world, and that is a clear, refutable fact. I'm announcing my plan for clean energy revolution. Clean energy is a job engine. It helps to create a more resilient economy across the country. Today is a historic day in the fight to protect our planet. The Paris Agreement. The United States and China joined that agreement together. The United States will withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord.

So Obama's talking about all of this with global warming. A lot of it's a hoax. It's a hoax. I mean, it's a money-making industry, okay? It's a hoax. The Trump administration has withdrawn California's ability to set its own fuel economy standards. The windmill. And if it doesn't, if it doesn't blow, you can forget about television for that night. President Trump has taken unprecedented action to roll back environmental protections. He has repealed regulations that protect water, air, and land.

Unravel the protections that will save billions of dollars and thousands of lives. The largest attack on U.S. climate action in history. The environment's very important to me. I want to make it absolutely clear. Rioting is not protesting. Looting is not protesting. It's lawlessness, plain and simple.

And those who do it should be prosecuted. Fires are burning and we have a president who fans the flames. He can't stop the violence because for years he's fomented it. But his failure to call on his own supporters to stop acting as an armed militia in this country shows how weak he is. Violence will not bring change. It'll only bring destruction. It's wrong in every way. If I were president, my language would be less divisive.

I'd be looking to lower the temperature in this country, not raise it. Donald Trump is determined to instill fear in America because Donald Trump adds fuel to every fire. This is not who we are. I believe we'll be guided by the words of Pope John Paul II, words drawn from the scriptures. Be not afraid. I'm Joe Biden, and I approve this message. That was a Biden ad I was talking about.

That vote vet ad is kind of important, Scott, because according to the Military Times, Trump has seen a 20- point drop in the military support. More military folks are supporting more active duty military people supporting Biden over Trump. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I like that ad a lot because it was factual. It was hard hitting. And it showed the visual with him and Putin, who we all know he will never challenge, has even stood down to. That's very embarrassing to conservatives who support the Lincoln Project. There's so much

material to fact check Donald Trump on. He's told over 10,000 lies for the last four years or three and a half years or three and a half plus years. And so it's a matter of really organizing it more than anything and reminding the people, whether they're suburban women or the elderly in Florida who are suffering from COVID or the suburban educated women, I do think you have to go after those if you're showing that he's losing that support. The majority of white Americans aren't going to support him as a Democratic support. Majority of white Americans aren't going to support him as a Democratic candidate because the majority of white Americans think the Democrats, when they talk about jobs and they talk about the environment and they talk about criminal justice reform,

don't think the Democrats are talking to them anymore. They think they're talking to people of color and women of color. And so that's okay. We're not going to get every white voter. But if you're losing suburban white women who don't feel safe because of Donald Trump, you've got to remind them that this is Trump's America. It's so easy to fact check him because he lies so much. Even if you were to interview him, you could say, well, who are you talking about? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? And you can see even the Fox reporters who interview him, who are friendly interviewers, thinks he's gone off the rail. If you look at the Laura Ingraham interview,

it was pathetic. So as a result, I'm just saying, I think Biden's got to stay focused on not only his message, but he's got to remind the voters of what a liar Donald Trump is and what destruction and degradation he's brought to the country. He's got to do that. Early, you talked about the environment. This is a, and I add, that targets Donald Trump as polluter in chief. Environmental pollution contributed to the deaths of about 9 million people in 2015. That's nearly 15 times as many deaths from war, all forms of violence. A newly released government report is revealing the dire consequences of climate change.

Human activity is causing climate change in the world, and that is a clear refutable fact. I'm announcing my plan for clean energy revolution. Clean energy is a job engine. It helps to create a more resilient economy across the country. Today is a historic day in the fight to protect our planet. The Paris Agreement. The United States and China joined that agreement together. The United States will withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord.

So Obama's talking about all of this with global warming. A lot of it's a hoax. It's a hoax. I mean, it's a money-making industry. It's a hoax. The Trump administration has withdrawn California's ability to set its own fuel economy standards. The windmill. And if it doesn't, if it doesn't blow, you can forget about television for that night. President Trump has taken unprecedented action to roll back environmental protections. He has repealed regulations that protect water, air, and land. Unravel the

protections that will save billions of dollars and thousands of lives. The largest attack on U.S. climate action in history. The environment's very important to me. Brianna, will the environment be an issue? Is it an issue? Or are you going to have folks who say, eh, as long as I'm making money, I'm good? The environment is a huge issue. And we can see that the Republicans have said that global warming hasn't existed. And so I think, you know, really targeting the difference between, you know, what we're going to do and what we're going to change is important. It does affect urban communities. We spoke about that and how we, you know, need to talk more to black men and so forth,

because, you know, if global warming happens and you're, you know, can't pay the bills and so forth, you know, that old person could have a stroke, right? There's so many issues. If it's a concrete jungle, it will warm up more. And I don't think there's been that much of a tie of the urban community and environmental issues and more of a tie of the environmental issues and how we can help it with jobs, right? The blue-green alliance. And so I do think it's very important. And I do think those ads show how Trump is a liar. And I think it shows his mental fragility. And I think that's very important because we want change. And so within that, you have to assess what's been done in those four years. And if all

those are lies, how are you going to trust that we're going to fix the issue, you know, going up, taking us away from the world and fixing the issue instead of bringing us together. And I think that's really one of the strong things that I've seen within this campaign is that, you know, Biden can really focus on, you know, on foreign affairs and rebuilding our standing around the world and serving as a peacemaker in chief to cut compromises with Congress, while Kamala and others can be fully empowered to work the inside game and, you know, rectify the economic mess and address the climate crisis. And so it gets us out of this post-COVID world.

And so, yeah, I mean, we, you know, like some may know coming from Michigan, you know, there's still the water issue in Flint. It's been years and people still have to drink out of bottled water. And so this needs to change immediately. And so it is important to assess the environment and who can be a better person for our environment. And then we have the issues with the schools and the ventilations, and they're being tremendously behind and wanting to put, you know, the kids back into school and not clear the air ducts and PPE. And so there's a lot

of issues and that goes around the environment. I don't think a lot of people understand how it's interconnected in a lot of different places in our lives. All right, then, Robert, you were talking about Democrats going after Republicans. Don Winslow, who is an author, he's been putting his own ads out. Watch this here. He calls this hashtag open letter to Republicans. I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue. Everyone says that no one can talk to you and shoot somebody. Everyone says nothing we show you will matter. I wouldn't lose any voters. OK, they say video pictures, audio recordings. None of it matters. You can do anything. But like millions of people I keep thinking

something will turn you around I thought children in cages would do it I thought Russian bounties on US soldiers would do it I thought 180,000 dead from a virus that could have been stopped would do it I was wrong so maybe it's not that you don't hear us maybe it's not that you don't hear us. Maybe it's just that you don't care. We're libtards. We're fake news. But we live in the same neighborhoods.

We walk the same streets and our kids go to the same schools. Let's just deal with some facts. Mexico never paid for that wall. It was a lie. Trump never delivered a medical care plan to replace Obamacare. It was a lie. Trump promised to release his tax returns. That was four years ago.

What the hell is in those taxes? Just another lie. How many times does a person have to lie to you before you stop listening to them? 17 U.S. intelligence agencies said Russia interfered with the 2016 election. That happened. He holds the Bible in his hands while burning every verse in it. Trump tells you that the press are fake news and an enemy of the people, so you won't believe anything they say. You are fake news.

But you know you can go to YouTube and watch a raw video for yourself. Or is YouTube part of the deep state? What happened to the Republican Party? Ronald Reagan must be rolling over in his grave. This is not America. And scaring the hell out of you every day is not leadership. It's just marketing. On November 3rd. You can end the chaos You can tell your friends and family that you voted for Trump. Even when you voted for Joe Biden

No one will ever know Think about that Robert you actually do you think Republicans are going to abandon their party? Now, there are some. There's a Republicans Against Trump Twitter feed. But look at the polling data. A ton of them says they don't give a damn. They ain't going to stand right with him, the Republican Party. Man, hell no, the Republicans ain't leaving Trump.

And let's understand something. These commercials are just weak. They are soft. They are not making any sort of penetration. They are not swinging anybody who is currently a Trump voter, is currently a questioning voter over the Democratic side. You can talk about, oh, Trump is a liar. Everybody who's a liar when you elected him. Oh, he didn't release his tax returns. Didn't do it last time. What you have to understand, when I say that MAGA is not a campaign, it is a culture, that

these people are bought into the idea of American contrarianism, American exceptionalism, that I do not have to listen to you nerds talking about the environment. Oh, no, the penguins and stuff are going to die. What these people care about is the projection of strength. So when Democrats are running assing, well, Trump has lied to you about X, Y, Z, and then Trump comes back and says, Joe Biden is going to move terrorists and MS-13 into your neighborhood to rape your white wife. That is not, you're not counter-punching effectively. You have to match your response with what the original punch was. And this is why he's projecting this image of strength.

As long as Democrats continue with this weak, feckless nature of their campaign, you're not going to be able to beat up a bully by trying to out-logic him or trying to fact-check him. Trump is effectively bullying the Democratic presidential race right now. And I don't I don't know if that's going to be enough to get Democrats across the finish line if they can continue these weak responses. One more Don Winslow ad for you. He talks about the Trump zombies. Scott. But but Scott, Scott, wait, wait, guys, go to my iPad, please. Donald Trump has been telling us for weeks now what a Joe Biden America will look like. Let's take an honest look at what Donald Trump's America looks like right now.

We have some bad hombres here and we're going to get them out. I don't know where the f*** you came from. You don't have a... Every nation will rule the world! What a stupid question that is. I will be Donald Trump's most loyal advocate. You wouldn't want me to condemn a group that I know nothing about. I'd have to look.

We own this country. We make the laws. We tell them what and where and when. They don't tell us. I'll beat that f*** that mask off your face. Get a medic. You're not a real. Nasty, nasty, good God.

You also have people, very fine people on both sides. A white supremacist. Trump will win and we're gonna bring it back, mother. you, you. Driver of this gray Dodge mows down a group of marchers i protest face coverings i am a healthy america and every single one of them because all of you are practicing no i don't take the responsibility at all. Build that wall. Build that wall. Build that wall. Nobody loves the Bible more than I do.

I believe Trump is elected by God to be the president of the United States. I am the chosen one. F*** you, Trump. We will make America great again. I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters, okay? Now that's an ad, Scott. Now that's an ad. Now we got a fire. Now that's an ad, Scott. Now that's an ad. Now we got a fire.

Now that's a fire. My goodness, did you notice the theme? The theme music was from Omen 2? Of course, of course. Exactly. And it was all factually accurate. This is Donald Trump's America. It's interesting that that ad and the Lincoln ads are much better than the Biden

Democratic ads. Have you noticed that? We've been saying that for months, though. Don't even. I know. I mean, we're putting these ads together. Robert, you're right about one thing. This is a political gangster we're dealing with. That last ad was a gangster ad. But I do think this, Robert, those ads, you're not going to change that 40 percent. So that's baked in. He's not the Democrats are going after, reminding them of the lies, reminding them of all of this negative material. It's so much, you got to organize it and stuff. It's not like a normal election. And so those independents, those educated women in the suburbs, those elderly voters, those who took a chance on Donald Trump, right, as independents, you can get those. You may not get the, as independents, you can get those.

You may not get the majority of them, but you can get those. If you look at the polling, and I've looked at a lot of polling across the board where you're averaging the in and out and stuff, the elderly vote in Florida is really important. He's still losing there. The military vote, as Roland said earlier, he's losing there. These suburban women voters, his message at the convention and at the convention isn't working. There's a new poll out today. I can't remember who it was by, but it was on CNN, that whereby 60 percent of the Democrats are worried about the economy and worried about crime and racism and stuff. Not Republicans. It's the Democrats. And so those persons that he needs to scare and get their vote, at least so far,

his messaging isn't working, at least according to the vote. But Scott, on that same point, if you change the music on that ad, you can't tell the difference if that's a pro-Trump ad or an anti-Trump ad, quite frankly. And what I mean by that is that the way that we see that as being American chaos, as being white supremacists run wild, what on the other side, the quote-unquote suburban wife, as Trump refers to them as,

they see that as people standing up for their way of life. The new dog list they're using is Western civilization. We're protecting Western civilization from the mobs and from the whores that are out there. And that looks like a pro-Trump ad to me. What I want to see is, show me the ad. Yeah, but to the 40%, it is a pro-Trump ad. Show me the ad. But that's just as ignorant as Trump. Look, you can call them ignorant, but they get a vote just like you get. That ignorant, redneck that you're talking about, Gifty, is that same number of votes that you get. And quite frankly, show me the ad of any Joe Biden supporters being that enthusiastic about Joe Biden.

Show me the ad of any Joe Biden supporter walking down the street holding a Biden-Harris flag, screaming at other people. You have to have that kind of energy. And what the Democrats are not doing, they're depending on Trump to energize their base. There's nothing that Biden is putting out to energize people in his base to say that Trump has his people out there. Oh, but Trump can't grow. I agree with you. You need that Democratic energy.

We've got to show that. No, that's not true. That's not true. Here's the deal. Trump can grow. White people can do what white people can do what they did. No, no, no, no. no no listen listen listen scott scott listen listen white people can do what they did in 2016 53 they broke late 53 okay here's the deal

no no no wait i know no i'm not done i don't use phrase like not going to happen. You know why? Because his ass is in the White House. Look, look, Roland, yesterday I was at the I was with you that night. I don't, I don't, so you will never hear me say can't happen because it did happen. And what I'm saying is

this here. It ain't going to happen. It's 60, no, I'm telling you, I keep telling everybody no, no. I'm telling you, I keep telling everybody, no, no, I keep telling you about it. Ignore polls. Ignore, no, no, no, ignore. A humanly decent who believe in America, and I'm

going to tell you they're going to come up and eliminate this mistake that they made. I've got to believe that, because if I don't believe that, if you don't believe that, right, then we got to figure out what's next. No, it's not a question of...

Think about what you're saying. No, no, no, no. Listen, Scott, it's not a question of what I believe. It's what you do. And what I am saying is this here. This is what I'm saying, Breonna, Robert, Scott.

I say, and I tweeted earlier, matter of fact, let me tell you how much I tweet this. It's literally already pre-written in the notes section in my iPhone. I'm going to go ahead and show you. Y'all see it, Henry? Let's see if it shows up. Give me a second.

Give me a second. Right here. I leave this here so I can repost this sucker at any time. Ignore all presidential polls. Mobilize, organize, register, request mail in ballot early, vote early, vote on November 3rd. Go to vote.org to check your registration and get registered. Hashtag fire Trump in November. Hashtag fire GOP in November. What we cannot do, what we cannot do 61 days out,

and Brianna, you'll get the last word on this. We cannot do this. We cannot say it's not going to happen. We cannot say, oh, they decent and they loving and they smart and they love America. We cannot say, oh, it's locked in. No, we have to operate as if Joe Biden is down 10 points and you got to hit every message, every point, count on every lie. Brianna, go ahead. And we don't want to do that.

No, Scott. Brianna, go ahead. Brianna, go ahead. And we don't want to do that. That's all I'm saying. No, Scott. Brianna, go ahead. Brianna, go ahead. You just always. No, because you keep interrupting. Brianna, go. You took. Brianna, you keep muting your.

You don't got to go. Stop. Brianna, you keep muting your button. I don't know why. Unmute your button. There you go. Sorry. Hey.

Okay, Scott, stop talking. Scott, stop talking. Brianna. Scott,, mutual button. Brianna, go ahead. Yeah, no, I think that energy is very, very important. So I agree with you. Only poll that matters is a poll on Election Day. We've seen time and time again that these polls get it wrong. And so we need to really, you know, put our blinders on and focus. So I do agree with that. I do think that there needs to be some sort of energy. You know, we talked in the beginning about black men and how it really, you know, came out in droves for Obama, but also young people. We need to make sure that young people do not sit out. And that's the energy that the campaign needs

to force people to want to go vote, to force people to understand that this change is needed. Right. And so having more social media presence with young people, engaging them is very important because these ads really don't reach young people. No, well, actually, I was like, oh, wait, no, no, no, no, no wait no no no no no no no no here's the deal here's the deal ads ads do reach you ads do reach young people but the point is this here what i'm saying is we're living in a different world a total a total digital world you're not having events you're not having concerts you're not having all the typical political uh events you're not having events. You're not having concerts. You're not having all the typical political events. You're not having massive rallies. And so it's going to it's going to be each one. Teach one. Each one. Reach one. I am my brother's keeper. I'm my sister's keeper.

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And again, if you're a Bring the Funk fan club member, you get a discount. This is why you should join the fan club. Vice President Joe Biden and his wife Jill Biden will be traveling to Kenosha, Wisconsin tomorrow to conduct a series of discussions with community organizers. They'll also meet with the family of Jacob Blake, the brother who was shot seven times in the back by Kenosha, Wisconsin police. Joining us right now is his father, Jacob Blake, Sr. Jacob, glad to have you on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Thank you. Thank you, Roland. I appreciate the invitation. First off, sir, Donald Trump came to Kenosha, spent more time talking about law enforcement. He's the White House apparently said they reached out to your family, your family pastor.

Y'all say we don't have a pastor. Now you have the Bidens coming, coming tomorrow. Do you believe that the conversation should be one about should really be one that's focused on meeting with community and not law enforcement? I missed that whole whole last thing there, brother. I'm sorry. No, you keep keeps ringing off the meat crack. I didn't hear it. What I said is, Trump came there, did not meet with the community, did not meet with the family, and then, of course, you have Biden coming. Shouldn't the focus be meeting

with the community and the family because the shooting of your son is what sparked this as opposed to meeting with law enforcement and saying, oh, I'm going to impact you on the back? Well, I don't want to get but in my humble opinion, when you

relate things that you relate, you call my son a putt. How would that make any father feel if you connect just you connect your child to a putt you previously had a converse you previously had a conversation with uh biden and senator kamala harris and you described it uh as as, I can't use exact, I can't remember exact words, but you said it was a familial conversation. It was as though I was one of

my uncles, man. I know that sounds crazy, Roland, but for 58 minutes, he stayed on the phone with us and he didn't rush the conversation he didn't he talked about my son he talked about changing policies he talked about my family he gave me it was it was like he he didn't have to be told what to say he just he was it was like he was an old school rapper, man, coming off the top of his head. You said policy. The Wisconsin legislature, the governor wanted them to meet to pass some police reform bills. 30 seconds, they opened.

30 seconds later, they closed it. Again, Roland, my comments are not going to be political because all I care about is my son. At this particular time, now when my son gets out of the woods and I'll make political statements and I'll make sure I call the 06 and tell him. Indeed. Indeed. How is he doing?

How is he doing physically? He's doing better, brother. He's doing better. And I appreciate you asking because some kind of way his health is being lost in a circle. They're not it's like they don't even

register what they've done to him. Earlier he was handcuffed. Have they removed those handcuffs? He was shackled bad Have they removed those handcuffs? He was shackled, bad. Now, the boy is paralyzed the waist down, but he was shackled to the bed by his right leg.

I've never been so pissed off in my life, brother. I've never, you know, only words I can use because I was peeved to just look at him there and these armed guards. He can't get up, bro. He can't. He can't get up. I want to bring in Ben Crump, a family attorney. Ben Crump, glad to have you back on the show. This is obviously a

volatile situation. You have Trump yesterday meeting with business owners. Now we know, now we know, Ben, that one of the business owners was faking it.

He was a former owner. An actual store owner who owned the building did not want to meet with Donald Trump. So the previous owner, that's fraud. I told people, I said,

I don't trust that those are the people standing with Trump are actually store owners. I'm not surprised, Roland Martin. And it's an honor to be on with you again. Mr. Blake is a man who is a big admirer of yours because you always tell it as it is, Roland, and you're telling it as it is now. This president will do whatever it takes to try to make himself look good, even at the expense of a young man who has seven bullets in his body that burst his spinal cord. Another bullet shattered his vertebrae. Another bullet went into his intestines. He's lost most of his intestines. Another bullet went into his colon.

He's lost his colon. Another bullet went into his arm. Another bullet went into, two bullets into his stomach. He's lost all function and control of his bowels. He's lost all function and control of his bowels. He's lost all function and control of his sexual organs. And for the rest of his life, he's going to have to explain to his three little boys why the police shot him seven times in the back. Jacob, this is obviously it's difficult. It's traumatic for you. I talked to Kinder West, the African-American club.

Black folks there have been focused, have been mobilized and organized. But he says that the people who have been causing the problems late at night are white provocateurs what would you tell those people who say who say they're out there fighting for jacob blake but they are engaged they're doing stuff they're spray painting they they're doing whatever you know uh what would you tell them who say that they're fighting for your son? You can't be fighting for my son if you're doing anybody. If you're tearing up or destroying, you can't be doing it for my son because no blessings come from that. No blessings at all. I call for peace here in Kenosha.

And I make no mistake, I call for peace. But not forgive that officer for shooting my son seven times in his back. I did not forgive the system that is set up for them and the system that is set up for us. I don't forgive anybody for anything. Now, I may believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, but I believe in necessary violence. Ben Crump, I'm going to go to you. The vice president is coming there with his wife. What must he, what would you say to him?

But more importantly, what must he do in speaking to this nation as it relates to this case as well as others. Roland, he has to speak to this COVID-16-19 pandemic that African Americans are dealing with in America. See, the rest of America just has to deal with COVID-19 pandemic. We got to deal with the racism and discrimination that comes along with the COVID-16-19 pandemic. And he has to speak about reform and legislation to prevent these extrajudicial killings of black people in America. Seems like every other week, Roland, we're dealing with one in Los Angeles now. I mean, there is a hashtag happening quicker than we can keep up. So when

he's talking to Jacob Blake Sr. and his family about justice for Jacob, encompassing in that should be justice for George Floyd, for Breonna Taylor, for Maude Aubrey, for Dijon Kenzie, for all of these people who have been killed unnecessarily and then justified because we're confused what Attorney General Barr says when he says there is no systematic racism in policing in America. It is evidence after evidence, body after body. And that's the last question I have for you, Jacob Blake, Sr. To hear the attorney general of the United States in an interview today dismiss, oh, this is not a this is not a major deal out here.

He said there were 10 cases last year of unarmed black men being shot by cops. There's no systemic racism. Your response to that. Once again, I have to refer you back to my answer to that question, because if I comment. Then I'm becoming a political pawn, so I'm not going to comment on anything that a politician does or says. Well, I ask you this, then I ask you this, then for the last question. There are people around the country who are paying attention to this story. What do you want them to be doing, whether they're black, whether they're white, Latino, Asian? I mean, it doesn't matter.

What do you want people who are not outside of Kenosha, Wisconsin, to be doing when it comes to what took place with your son and other shootings? I want people to support change. I want them to support a rebuke of these two systems of justice. There's a system set up for white people, and there's a system set up for brown people. And our system set up for the brown people is not working out too

well. I want them to fight for justice, for everyone, for humanity. Justice for humanity is more important than justice for a person. It's justice for everyone, for Breonna Taylor, for George Floyd. We can go on and on. We can go half-back crazy with the people that need justice, man. And until it affects you as a person, you don't understand how twisted this system is. Got it. A system that allows a man to put seven bullets in a man's back and still keep his job. Got it. Take it, Blake Sr., Ben Crump. Gentlemen, I certainly appreciate it.

Thanks a lot. Thank you, Roland. Thank you very much. Keep doing what you're doing, brother. I will do, sir. Thank you very much. Final comment with my panel here. Folks, I just sent you, Camila, I just sent you, get Lamar Rucker on the phone.

I just sent you a text message. He has a very small window. He's shooting a movie. We're going to talk about Chadwick Boseman, his friend of 20 years. So if y'all could get that done right now. What you just heard there, Brianna, obviously a father who is still dealing with pain. But he made perfectly clear, if you're out there acting a fool, you're not doing it on behalf of my son. I know there are some people who say, well, we shouldn't be focused on that.

But the reality is, if if if that gets in the way of the central message of black people being shot, that's a problem. I totally agree. And we've talked about it previously, Roland, about, you know, how we should care about people's lives over, you know, buildings and so forth. However, for the most part, I think a lot of those actually aren't coming from us. And I think it is people who are trying to distract from the message and because they don't want to discuss the issue. And honestly, there's been 198 judges appointed, but zero of color. That's the bias. It's a green light for this violence and we need to change it. Very, very happy that on that South Carolina stage, Biden promised for a black woman to be a Supreme Court justice. We need change. We need more appointments because they've been steadily playing just as we've been playing checkers. And what they care about more than anything is those judges. And so we need to get really

equipped legally and what we want and get our people ready into these positions because, you know, they compromise and they change on this or that. But one thing like they may hate Trump. What he did was give him their judges. Yep. And so things like Roe v. Wade, you know, is now under attack. And that's because they've been trying to set up the people to change the laws while we're just saying, OK, well, right. We'll have this elected official who lies to us and everything else. We need to do it through judges. And the reality is Democrats don't spend lots of time on judges, Roberts, and they should.

Absolutely. Roberts, you're muted. Boy, if I did that. Yeah, if you look at what happened during the apartheid regime in South Africa, the way that they stayed in power was through the judiciary system, by entrenching the legal system in a way that's biased towards the former majority. The reason that people are rioting and looting, as we said, is because there's been nothing done on the legal or from the legislative aspect.

There is no difference in policy today than the day that Mr. Blake was shot. There are no officials who have resigned. There's no law on the books that has changed. So instead of addressing or paying attention to those riots, those looting, pay attention to what the underlying cause is. You know, all of us need to understand that change can be affected on the local level. We like to talk a lot about Trump about what's going on in the federal level, but those state and local officials are the ones who can make immediate changes. And we have to keep the fire to them in the state legislatures and

on the local level where we can change those city council people, those aldermens, the mayors, the police chiefs. That's where we can make change. Folks, we've been trying to connect with our good friend Lamar Rucker for the last couple of days regarding the passing of his dear friend Chadwick Boseman. He's been shooting a movie. We we are catching him right now in the middle of right before he's going back to shoot. Lamar, glad to have you on the show. You, Chadwick was your man for 20 years. Lamar, are you there? All right, looks like his video froze. Lamar, are you there? I'm here. There we go. Just go ahead. We'll just roll with your audio, then we'll have the video. Just share your thoughts about your good friend of 20 years, Chadwick Boseman.

Yeah, man. Just to doubt on my brother, I mean, I think you already heard from a couple people just talking about how completely heartbroken we really are, man. There's so many thoughts to share, you know, when there's a friendship of that long and when you've known somebody from when we were all kind of in the trenches thugging it out you know broke actors in new york um just paying our dues putting our work in and you know

you're always happy for your peers man who can finally start making their dreams come true and for him to have the meteoric rise that he had i mean there really is nobody that was more deserving um been rooting for this brother ever since i laid eyes on him and you know we've got we've the meteoric rise that he had. I mean, there really is nobody that was more deserving. We've been rooting for this brother ever since I laid eyes on him. And, you know, we've got, we've been trained by a lot of the same people. So even just spiritually, philosophically, you know, ethically, artistically, we've got a lot of things in common, you know? So, you know, we're, we're brethren in many different ways. You know what I'm saying?

So, yeah, it tears you up to know that selfishly we want him to still be with us because we know the genius that was still yet to be unleashed. You know what I'm saying? We would have all been blessed by and benefited from. But also it just pains you because, you know, the pain that he was in and the fact that that powerlessness really, really hurts that you really couldn't save him and even support him. And you just want to be able to love your brothers through it, man.

And, you know, so it's tough to keep together sometimes when, you know, you got to really accept the fact that you're never going to see him again in the same way. We're playing a video right now when he went back to Howard University. Guys, pull the audio up. This is in 2017, his first visit back to Howard since he had graduated. And, man, the students just went crazy when he walked out. And he just ate it up. He was just, I mean, he was feeling it and was just blown away by their reaction.

Yeah, I bet. I mean, you know, what greater pride than for one of your own to come back, especially after, you know, doing the work people, other people finally knew that this guy was even here, you know, he just took this thing by storm. And he just grabbed this industry by the throat and did it with such beauty and class and grace, man. You know, I mean, he really is just an epitome of what I love about us, man. What I love about black people, what I love about black men, what I love about myself, what I love about you, what I love about my father. You know what I'm saying? What I love about, you know, just how powerful and beautiful and magnificent we are, man. He really did his duty to to serve that, to serve that work, to serve that legacy, and to represent his alma mater, his hometown, and just the essence of what black excellence is really about, man. I couldn't be prouder to call him my brother, man. I miss him dearly.

He walked with a certain swagger. One of the things we were talking about, and here's the deal, Chadwick Boseman was not a heartthrob. What I mean by that is when people talk about, oh, my God, how they view actors, I mean, and he wasn't. And his deal is, but he operated in a different way in terms of how he presented himself. And it took him longer than some other people. in a different way in terms of how he presented himself. And it took him longer than some other people, but when he hit, he hit.

And we don't remember him as, ooh, Chadwick Boseman, the heartthrob. We remember him really for just these nuanced roles, these historical figures, this energy that he brought to those characters, these real life characters and obviously the Black Panther fictional. But but that's what also we remember him for that. Yeah. I mean, again, that just speaks to the quality of his training, you know, the power and beauty of his spirit.

He didn't have to rely on. I mean, he's a handsome brother, but he didn't have to rely on that. That's not that wasn't his point of entry. You know, you know, as many compliments as I might, you know, get about physical attributes or whatever. My desire and my hard work has always been about doing strong quality work. It's about the quality, not the quantity, not the aesthetics. You know, none of that, you know, none of that mess, man. So it's, you know, it's really about the stuff that really matters. And that's what he focused on. And that's what our work is about.

That's what we all believe in. So I'm glad that his legacy is standing on his brilliance and his inner beauty, not just the outer beauty. He had a great smile. But one of the things also that was amazing is that he was not somebody who was always serious. 2012, I interviewed him and Nikki Bahari for 42 at the Essence Alabama Power Party during Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, ALC. I was going through all of my video archives and I

remember that we were dancing next to each other, but I did, I did not, I did not realize that one of our camera folks was there with us. Uh, and I'm going through my videos and I come across this video here of, uh, uh, us on the dance floor, uh, him, him, Nikki Bahari, and just kicking it. And that's the thing, I mean, what people don't realize, they only see that particular character, but the reality is Chadwick loved to have fun

and, man, didn't mind just letting it down and enjoying himself. Yeah, beautiful spirit, man. Yeah, man, I can see his smile right now. Yeah, thanks for having me with you, man, I can see his smile right now. Yeah, thanks for having me with you, man. Love you, brother. Lamar Rucker, I appreciate it, man. I know we're working on the movie there.

Man, keep it up. Love you dearly. We'll talk to you soon. My man. Indeed. So we appreciate that Lamar Rucker sharing it with us. Let me thank our panel, Scott Bolden, Robert, as well as Brianna. Thank you so very much for joining us for today's show.

Folks, we're going to end the show this way. In a second, I'm going to play that interview with Nikki Bahari and Chadwick Boseman for the movie 42. Tomorrow, I'll have for you the interview that I did with him for the movie Get On Up, where he played James Brown. And so, guys, get that video set up. If you want to join our Bring the Funk fan club, your dollars make it possible for us to do this show, for us to be able to present the kind of content that you're not going to find anywhere else. If you want to join our Bring the Funk fan club, go to,

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All right, well, first off, you are playing iconic figures. This is not a normal movie when you talk about playing Mr. and Mrs. Jackie Robinson. So talk about that. What does it mean for you to be able to step into these roles? I think for me, stepping into these roles sort of allows you to see the role model within yourself you know like the people that we're playing are synonymous with a parallel to like Barack and Michelle and when you actually envision yourself having that same sense of grace and dignity and and and fortitude you start

to discover things within yourself I think that that's why it's an important project for young people to see, you know? I mean, for me, you know, I think Jackie, Jackie Robinson taught us how to be successful, taught us how to show respect, show us how to be men, show us how to fight. How to be black and beautiful. I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING TO BE SUCCESSFUL, TAUGHT US HOW TO SHOW RESPECT, SHOW US HOW TO BE MEN, SHOW US HOW TO FIGHT. HOW TO BE BLACK AND BEAUTIFUL.

HOW TO BE BLACK AND BEAUTIFUL, STYLISH. JUST GETTING THE OPPORTUNITY, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT BEING AN ACTOR THAT I LOVE. YOU KNOW, AS AN ACTOR, MAYBE YOU DIDN'T STUDY TO BE A DOCTOR, BUT YOU CAN BE A DOCTOR IN A I'm not a doctor, but you can be a doctor in a film or TV. And maybe you didn't play baseball, but I get to go to spring training for three or four months and learn from pros how to play baseball. And so just getting that opportunity to live that and be that and embody it and allow that to inform my own life, I mean, that's the reason why you do the job. Clearly, we are living in an age where you have the first in terms of the first black president breaking down these type of barriers.

You're portraying a couple who had to deal with being the first. What about having to go back into history, being able to tell this generation that you might have thought it was difficult for President Obama to deal with being the first, that ain't nothing compared to what Jackie Robinson and Rachel Robinson had to deal with. I think that the situation, I think that what we're doing is not making comparisons so much as saying and bearing witness to the fact that nothing is insurmountable. Like anything that you're facing, you can actually overcome AND BEARING WITNESS TO THE FACT THAT NOTHING IS INSURMOUNTABLE. LIKE ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE FACING, YOU CAN ACTUALLY OVERCOME WITH SUPPORT AND DILIGENCE AND A SENSE OF YOURSELF.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING ULTIMATELY. WELL, IT'S DEFINITELY TOPICAL. JACKIE ROBINSON IS TOPICAL BECAUSE OF OBAMA. IT'S THE PERFECT TIME TO DO IT. IT'S THE PERFECT TIME TO DO IT DURING A CAMPAIGN SEASON. is topical because of Obama. It's the perfect time to do it. You know, it's the perfect time to do it during a campaign season, perfect time to do it while, you know, things are not as easy for him as a candidate as they are for other people. And so I think, you know, although playing president, being the president and having to have that responsibility, seeing how the little

things were such a big deal, going to a lunch counter, going into a Jim Crow bathroom or a water fountain, and even just playing baseball, something that seems small, like how that is such a big deal, lets you know how far we've come. I mean, that's what it means to me. Well, I'll tell you, I've done some stuff for the Jackie Robinson Foundation, speaking to their scholars. I got a chance to do some stuff for Rachel Robinson, and so we certainly look forward to 42.

And we also tell everybody, just like we supported Red Tails, just like we supported Jump in the Broom on my show, even though it's a political show, we spend lots of time making sure our audience understands one of the reasons why we have to support films that tell our stories. Because if we don't, bottom line is we know what's going to happen when that next project comes around and somebody says, ah, we remember the last movie.

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