#RolandMartinUnfiltered - #GeorgeFloyd independent autopsy; Louisville Black man killed; Conrad Worrill: vote for Biden

Episode Date: June 9, 2020

6.1.20 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: #GeorgeFloyd independent autopsy; Louisville Black man killed; Conrad Worrill: vote for Biden What can be done to improve police community relationships? Rev. William Barber encourages transformative change; Actress and Mind Care Expert Troy Beyer shares how to deal with the weight of the pandemic and violence against African Americans Support #RolandMartinUnfiltered via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered #RolandMartinUnfiltered Partner: Ceek Be the first to own the world's first 4D, 360 Audio Headphones and mobile VR Headset. Check it out on www.ceek.com and use the promo code RMVIP2020 - The Roland S. Martin YouTube channel is a news reporting site covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Hey folks, today is June 1st, 2020. Coming up, a roll of mark unfiltered protests continue all across the country as a result of the death of George Floyd just one week ago. Also, another black man shot in Louisville, Kentucky by the cops causing even more unrest. We're going to talk with Congresswoman Gwen Moore on today on today's show also river dr william barber folks uh it's a packed show it's time to bring the funk. And when it breaks, he's right on time. And it's rolling.

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I'm sorry. I'm here in the nation's capital where the protests continue, all regarding the death of George Floyd one week ago in Minneapolis. Now, if you stay down here, so one of the reasons why you might be saying, OK, why am I outside? Because what has happened is the police here have placed a perimeter all around the White House, a several block radius in order to block off protests. And so what you see down the street there, you see we're on 17th Street right now. I am literally, it's so the 17th and L in D.C. Then you have K Street. Our offices are located on K Street. So I'm unable to even drive to our office. And then what you can see is you got

people who are coming from all directions. They are folks who are protesting from all different directions. And so they've been coming. And now the crazy thing is there's a curfew in the nation's capital. There's a curfew here that's supposed to kick in at 7 p.m. A lot of these folks are going to be ignoring that curfew. And so protesters are showing up. They're going to be protesting again tonight here in Washington, D.C. There have been people who have been coming down the streets with signs, you name it. There's so many other people who simply are trying to get out of D.C. to go to work. Many people came back to work in Washington, D.C. today. And so just like other cities, we're seeing lots of different protests. We're going to be talking

in a second. Folks in the control room, let me know when Congressman Gwen Moore is there. I'm going to try to make my way to our studio to do the rest of the show there. And so that's going to happen. And so that's going to happen. And so I'm going to be walking down there in just a second. But again, folks, and also you can hear the helicopters. If I can show them, you can hear the helicopters going right now. Now, understand that you rarely ever hear this in D.C. because you have restricted airspace in Washington, D.C. because of the White House. But those are police helicopters. They were roaring last night. We left the office last night

around 1230. There was a significant, significant police presence in the nation's capital. And so just like in other places all across the country, we're seeing the exact same thing. Again, as you can see, you've got a number of folks who have been showing up. And so, like I said, we've been sort of just tracking this. I told you guys, our office, I mean, literally is in the heart of this. Our office is located just three blocks from the White House. And so I'll be walking up the street in just one second. Folks, do we have Councilman Gwen Moore? Okay.

All right, so let's do this here, folks. I've got in my panel today, I've got Brittany Lewis, who, of course, is a political commentator. Also, I have Cleo Monago, who is a behavioral expert as well. First of all, I want to go to both of you. What we are seeing, obviously, all across the country,

we are seeing people who have been protesting. I said this last night in our special Cleo, that this is not going to all of a sudden stop. It is going to continue all across the country. The number of people who have been shocked by the death of George Floyd just one week ago? Yeah, it's going to continue. I imagine it's going to continue until there's a clear verdict regarding what's going to happen with the murderer. I'm concerned and very intrigued

about finding what the end game is here. As you know, I mean, there's even protests about this happening in Copenhagen, in Berlin, in Britain, and in numbers that are quite large. So it's interesting to see this. My perspective is that people are either ashamed because of the murder that was on tape or ashamed because they're being associated with it because they're white. So I'm also trying to find out what is the end game. Clearly, this has been amazing. But I think social media is part of the issue here in terms of people being responsive to that such a high profile event. One of your guests compared this to the Arab Spring and to Tiananmen Square in China. And I want to say that I don't think it's the same thing because those groups in China and in the Arab Spring have more, they're more homogeneous

and have more cultural cohesion than people in the United States. This is a diverse group of people with different agendas involved in this event in the United States. So it's real different and relatively scattered, though it looks like everybody's fighting for the same thing. But I'm not sure that is a fact. Brittany, what are your thoughts? Yeah, I don't think it's going to start.

I don't think it's going to stop anytime soon. I think that we're definitely seeing an awakening. Unfortunately, this is not the first time, the last time. These murders have been happening for centuries. And I think people are tired. And I think coupled with what's happening with COVID and how laid bare the system has failed us, and I mean failed us as Black people, failed us as impoverished people, I think you're going to continue to see unrest for a long time.

I think this goes beyond just the death of George Floyd and so many other Black people. I think this goes to the violence that we experience every single day. It is a response to the violence of the state. It is a response to the violence of us being mass incarcerated. It is a response to the violence of us not having adequate health care. It is a response to the violence of us not having access to money, to food. It is all of the above, Roland, and I don't see it stopping anytime soon. I agree with you'all on that as i said you see folks i'm walking up uh 17th street uh towards k street uh where we um where we do our

show and as you see uh cops are blocking off everything uh to establish a perimeter around the white house they're keeping people away from the White House as best as they can. Several thousand people have been protesting the last several days here in Washington, D.C. There are people, of course, who are parking. So as you see right here, you see the police car pushing traffic all along that way. And then right here, as we come up on 17th Street, you're going to see very few pedestrian cars are allowing to come down these streets.

There's a significant police presence. So you have a combination of Washington, D.C. police. You have U.S. Secret Service. You also have National Guard, D.C. National Guard as well, who are all involved in this. You see some of the destruction that took place here, some of the buildings that have been boarded up. You see that right there. And so a lot of different things have been going on, obviously, all across this city in this country as you see right over here look how many police cars are literally lined up along that street uh right there which is uh

18th street as we come down here we come down here again to uh uh where where we are. I just want to give you a sense of what this looks like. Normally, this is one of the busiest streets, K Street, in Washington, D.C. And so the police have shut everything down all the way down to 14th Street.

So we're on 17th Street. You see people who are crossing way down there. Then we come back down here, and they shut everything down to 20th Street. So basically, it's a six-block radius. You see, of course, where you have police on their bicycles right there leading up against that building that's boarded up. Again, you see all those police cars in this park that's right across the street.

National Guard truck that's sitting right here blocking the street off. And then if we go down here, I'm not sure if these businesses actually had windows knocked out or if they simply boarded them up as a precaution. So you actually see that. You see more buildings that are boarded up over here as well. And so some folks are taking the precautions. You see literally no traffic is coming down here except for the police traffic that's coming down here. This is the sort of thing that we're seeing all across the country. Cleo, as folks are looking at these protests.

And again, people are angry, people upset. They actually want justice served. The question, though, is that we still have a police officer, only one who's been arrested, and people are still asking, what about the other three? Well, as we all know, Roland, the white supremacist police system has never been logical or responsive to justice. And as we already discussed at some other point, the chief of policemen in that area gave these people third degree murder, gave this one individual third degree murder charges and manslaughter charges, which are an insult given that the man was murdered.

So they're being apprehensive as they have been with all the cops who have murdered black people. So this is just the same old play going on, going over and over again. So it is what's to be expected. And what I think they're hoping happens is that this gets so drawn out that people pay no attention to the other three that were watching and just stay focused on the one guy that was arrested. But I don't think that's going to happen. I think people are going to be protesting until they find out what happened with the other three people. Obviously, things have changed, Brittany, in that the case has been taken out of the hands of the Henneman County District Attorney and now Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison. He is now leading the prosecution of these police officers. So for everybody who's watching, before you comment, Brittany, I'm walking towards 16th Street

and you're going to see this is a straight shot down to the White House. As you see here, the cops are blocking even this street. Normally, I come up this street to go to our office. They started charging the crowd. It's like, who's ever? Like, hundreds. What's going on? Hundreds of them just started charging the crowd

and, like, started shooting people in the car. They were just like Channing. They were just charged out of nowhere. Who, the cops? Like, military police or whatever. People were just like like, chanting. Wow. Yeah. So, folks, so what's happening, folks, is, again, as you see,

you see the Washington Monument there. If I step this way, you will see in the middle of the street here, you will see how people are gathered. That's the White House at the end of this block right here. And so there are a lot of people who are retreating backwards. The cops are pushing the folks away. I told you there's a 7 p.m. curfew here in the nation's capital. It is 631 right now. And so they're not going to allow tonight what happened last night, where there was a burning vehicle near the church, near the

Supreme Court, also near the White House. And so you see the number of people who are here. There are some people who are coming out here to protest, but a lot of these people are actually leaving. So that action by the cops right there to actually fire those river bullets and to push people back is causing a lot of these people to leave. And so we're going to certainly be monitoring this to see what happens further. How many people are going to be staying out here? How many people are actually going to try to leave? So what happened down there with the cops? A bunch of cops that start charging? going to try to leave. So what happened down there with the cops?

It was like a bunch of cops. A bunch of cops that started charging? Yeah. I think I saw a few back ones. Gotcha. Gotcha. So y'all moving backwards? Are y'all still staying or are you leaving?

I think I'm going both. I got you. OK. The curfew's at 7 anyway. Right. OK. All right. Take care. All right, folks. Again, like I told you, the curfew is at 7 p.m. And that's what they are going to be strictly enforcing. We're seeing curfews all across the country, curfews in Minneapolis, Chicago, Los Angeles, a number of these cities. Earlier today, Donald Trump was on a phone call with the governors,

and he chastised them. He told them that they have not been taking control of their cities. They've been losing control of their cities, and they have a much firmer grip. And what you also see here, you see how these bike officers have lined up to prevent people from coming down K Street right here as well. What they're doing is they're forcing any of these protesters who are retreating,

they're forcing them to actually come down. They're forcing them to come down or go up 16th Street. They can't go up K Street. And like I say, at the end of this block, literally just two blocks ahead. So if you go past this street here, you go two more, you're literally in Lafayette Park, which just sits right in front of the White House.

And so that's where we are outside. Folks, do we have Reverend Dr. William J. Barber on the phone? Control room, do we have Reverend Barber on the phone? Okay. All right, folks, so let's do this here. We're going to take a commercial.

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As Roland Martin Unfiltered, support the Roland Martin Unfiltered daily digital show by going to RolandMartinUnfiltered.com. Our goal is to get 20,000 of our fans contributing 50 bucks each for the whole year. You can make this possible. RolandMartinUnfiltered.com. All right, folks. So I'm back in the studio. Like I say, I was out there in the streets there just trying to get into the building.

It was very difficult to even get into here. Streets were blocked off left and right. And so that's what's going on there. Let's do this here. There was a news conference today where the independent autopsy was done. It was ordered by the family of George Floyd. And they found that his death was a homicide caused by asphyxia due to neck and back compression and led to a lack of blood flow to the brain. Here is some of that news conference that was done via Zoom? We think it is essential that the truth comes out about the manner and the exact manner and science as to how George Floyd was killed.

At this time, I will call a man that really needs no introduction. Dr. Michael Barton is one of the foremost forensic scientists in the world alive today. He has worked on some of the most high-profile autopsies in the modern era. He has a background in doing forensic pathology, not only for the police departments, but also for the social justice engineers like myself and Tony. I could go on and on about Dr. Michael Biden, but I think it best to hear him explain the autopsy and put it in context as only the great Dr. Michael Biden can. Dr. Biden? Thank you, Ben. The autopsy shows that Mr. Floyd had no underlying medical problem that caused or contributed to his death. This is confirmed by information provided to Dr. Wilson and myself from the family. He was in good health. The compressive pressure of the neck and back are not seen at autopsy because the

pressure has been released by the time the body comes to the medical examiner's office, it can only be seen, serious compressive pressure on the neck and back can only be seen while the pressure is being applied, or when, as in this instance, it is captured on video. And in this instance, we can see after a little bit less than four minutes that Mr. Floyd is motionless, lifeless, and when the EMS arrived and put him on the stretcher without any CPR at that time during the ambulance trip the he did not respond to CPR and did The cause of death, in my opinion, is asphyxia due to compression of the neck, which, as Mr. Crump indicated, can interfere with blood flow and oxygen going to the brain and

compression of the back which interferes with breathing when he said I can't breathe unfortunately many police are under the impression if you can talk that means you're breathing that is not true I am talking and talking and talking and not breathing in front of you. So the concept that a person says I can't breathe like Mr. Garner, like in this instance, means you should take it seriously. And I think that I think that I finished. Thank you. All right, folks, obviously that independent autopsy is counter to what the independent medical examiner

office found. As I said, people have been protesting. People have been saying there has to be justice in this case. Joining us right now on the phone is Reverend Dr. William J. Barber. Of course, he is with Repairs of the Breach, Poor People's Campaign. Reverend Barber, first and foremost, I got to get your thoughts. Just sit for us. We ran a lot of your speech from yesterday where you addressed a letter to the country. I just came off the streets in D.C. trying to get into the building. People are still trying to show up for protest.

Cops began to charge towards folks, many of them began to take off. And we see what's happening in Louisville. Cops fired into a crowd there, killing a black man who owned a barbecue place. And he often served cops for free. People are just outraged. And I don't I keep telling people I don't think we're going to be seeing an end to this anytime soon. Your thoughts? I don't either, because what we're seeing, Roland, is a form of massive public mourning. It is about George Floyd and it be, because his death represents so much death that goes on in the community at the hands of police. But remember, our people are also dealing with 100,000 people dying, thousands of them that didn't have to die, according to studies. But because of this president's intentional acts of denial, it happened. People are being forced to go to work

in lethal situations. They see a country that can call out the National Guard in 24 hours but can't arrest cops who murdered a man in 24 hours, can't provide PPE and health insurance in 24 hours. People are at their ends financially. They don't know how they're going to make ends meet. They've watched billionaires make $400 billion in the last 50 days, and yet they don't even have a living wage, don't even have health insurance or sick leave. And then you see this lynching, this girl, a 17-year-old holding a camera, and you see a man literally die. You see him beg. You see him call for his mother. This is a watershed moment. It is a moment filled, though, with all of the death-dealing realities of, yes, this kind of racism by police, but also the ongoing policy deficit is combined, is compounded.

And then you have a president whose first response to people saying something's wrong and protesting, which we have a right to do, when the looting starts, the shooting starts, he picks that up from way back in the 60s and is basically saying, I'm going to use this moment to try to consolidate my power like George Wallace, Richard Nixon, and Bull Connor. In a sense, Brother Roland, we can't go home now. I mean, you know, people have to protest. We have to exercise our First Amendment, right? And in a sense, we would be a shameful country. We'd be in a worse situation if people were willing to just ignore it, if nobody screamed, if nobody said anything.

But we are in a very serious time. And then you have people that are trying to infiltrate legitimate militant nonviolent protests, and they're trying to infiltrate it and turn it to something else. We are in the midst of a very difficult moment, made difficult by a president and a Senate who have just refused to address the people and have pushed them down and hit people and passed policies that have caused death on top of death. And it's a watershed and folk are saying they've had enough. There's a scream coming up. In the Bible, Roland, your wife knows this. There's a Bible verse that says there's a sound coming from Ramah,

Rachel refusing to be comforted because her sons are no more. That's what we're seeing in the public square. Reverend Dr. Barber, the White House tried to assert today that Donald Trump has indeed spoken to the nation. Well, actually, he hasn't. Some of his advisers, according to some reporting by The New York Times, is that they are concerned that he's not trying to address these issues. One of the things they said is because if he does, he has no policies to actually put it out there. April Ryan also tweeted out that the White House had floated this idea of wanting to have a listening session with black leaders. Have you heard from the White House? Has anybody invited you to such a conversation? No, they have not. I responded to April's question that no, they had not.

And that what we were focused on, but if they were to respond, it could not be us going in just on his term. But there is a way to do it. And we sent out terms that I could do. I said my co-chair could go. We'd have other religious leaders. And for me, it would have to be diverse. I'm not going to let him isolate the black people. It would have to be impacted people there. They have to be the Senate leader, the Senate minority leader, the House speaker. And it would have to be on camera. You'd have to be there. It'd have to be open and no pre taping and then going in closed session because this man is constantly trying to find a way that he can play the last card. He can't play the economic card. He can't play that he's a wise card. He can't play that he did right in the

pandemic card. The only card he has now is the law and order card. So he's trying to fan the flames and then make himself the savior. It's the card that has been played, as I said, by Richard Nixon, Bull Connor, George Wallace. He's trying to play it in the 21st century. And we're not having it. We're not falling for that anymore in this situation. And what is worse, though, Roland, is that, you know, when Richard Nixon was out of control, Republicans went down and told him he had to leave. You don't have that today. Instead, you have had people that have allowed him, they have enabled him, and now he's out of control in the midst of a time when there's so much death, that people have seen so much death now, there's nothing left to do but to scream and to protest and to stand firm.

Just a minute ago, you know, he started speaking and he's already made the White House look like a fortress. And isn't it interesting, Roland? He talks so bad, but then he hides out in a bunker. He says he wants the society to open back up because he wants people to spend money. But when the society opens back up because people want to exercise their constitutional right, he wants to close it down and even say that if somebody is a protester and they throw something, they get 10 years in prison. He so bad wants to be Putin or somebody. But this is not Russia. This is America. And people are going

to stand up. There were a number of civil rights leaders today who were on a news conference call and they called for a national day of mourning for George Floyd and to also address this issue. Was that national day of mourning date announced? I don't know. You know, I had talked about it. I had heard others talk about it. You know, I had actually put out there that we needed to do something in that regard. I didn't know about, you know, that particular call. I don't know about any date having been done, but it can't, even then, it can to be like Isaiah 58, where it's not just a morning where we sit down and pray, but it's the fast. Well, what is the Isaiah 58 fast? It is the call for the nation to stop injustice, to fast from injustice, to fast from racism, to fast from not paying people what they're worth when they work. It's to fast from oppression.

That's the kind of fast and the mourning that we need. And I know in the Poor People's Campaign, we had planned to do a special piece on next Monday. I'll talk to you more about it, but on next Monday evening, we're going to have more details coming out about it. I hope that we can all come together in you know, in this moment, because it is a very serious moment. And we have to be, as the old folks say, aware of the wiles of the devil. We really have to listen to the screams and what we're hearing, because that's where the hope actually lies, is in the screams. We have to figure out a way not just to tell folk to certainly to calm down

because, you know, we didn't tell in the revolution, you didn't tell the people in the Boston Tea Party to calm down. What we instead have to turn these screams into public policy. That's what we have to turn these screams into change. For instance, in the case of police, you murder somebody, you get arrested, you get prosecuted, you go to prison. We need to put that in law. If you're an accessory of it, the same thing. If you hire policemen and you let people on your force and you don't properly investigate them and they're connected to hate and hate groups and then they commit a crime, then that department has to owe those families money. We need to codify this stuff in the law. That's what's going to begin to make a difference in this country. Just like we want to stop people from dying, we need to codify health

care for everybody in the law. We need to codify living wages in the law. That's the only thing that's going to ultimately help. We have to call this nation to mourn, but to fast from its injustices. That's what the scripture says. And actually, according to this press release, it says we call for on the nation to join the civil rights community in observing a national day of mourning on Thursday as George Floyd's family prepares for the painful task of laying their loved one to rest. We will spend the day in reflection and prayer for the racial reconciliation and an end to the violence that is ravaging the nation. Well, I think that's an important piece.

We'll certainly be a part of it. He's going to be buried here in, I think the service is here in North Carolina. Well, there'll be his family in Houston and there. So if they actually, there'll be multiple services. there'll be something in Minneapolis, North Carolina and Houston. OK, so I talked to Ben Crump today. I'll be joining in North Carolina. I think that is a powerful thing. But I also think that when we talk about violence, we cannot follow Trump's rhetoric. If we say that we want to end the violence, and that's by the infiltrators, then we have to do like Coretta Scott King and talk about violence. She said when asked about

violence, violence is denying people health care. Violence is denying people union rights and living wages. Violence is denying children education. And then she said there's another form of violence, and that is an apathetic attitude that refuses to address the other forms of violence. So in this moment, we have to be very careful in how we frame our language. And you know the best place to find that language is right in the scriptures and right in the Constitution.

The best place to find it. So I'll be joining. We're Poor People's Campaign joining on Thursday. I also hope when we say we're doing it, it means everybody. Because if you look at these crowds, these crowds are not just black

that are standing up. They're black, they're white, they're brown, they're Asian, they're First Nation, they're gay, they're straight. And the piece we plan to do next Sunday with Poor and Impact, I think next Monday,

is going to be encompassing all of those people. It's not in competition with anything that's being planned. It is continuation as we push toward June 20th, 2020, when you'll be there with us as people of all different race, speech, colors, and sexualities gather to push the issue of addressing poverty. Yes, indeed. Reverend Dr. William J. Barber, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Take care now. God bless you. All right, folks, this has been as you listen to that, Brittany and Cleo, you listen to again, these leaders talk of talk about a national day of mourning on Thursday. There was also many others who were speaking out today on this issue. What needs to happen? What needs to be done. I want to

play right now something from Senator Kamala Harris. Often where there. All right, guys, having an issue with the video playback, so if you can go ahead and get that taken care of, I want you to um right now i want you to go to my ipad folks this is a lot this is uh this is you don't have the ipad all right i don't know why you're not seeing it uh this is a uh i'm about to show y'all is a live look uh of what's happening in uh the nation's capital uh yeah fix this here because i'm getting a signal here that it is indeed working. You got it now? Okay, so do this here.

This is a live look, folks. This is from the folks at NowThis, how the police have assembled here in Washington, DC. Go right to it, please. How the police have assembled here in Washington, DC., how they line up in these streets. The curfew in Washington, D.C. is going to get enforced in about five minutes. Now you see that you hear loud guys. Go ahead and turn the audio up, please. Stavros Stavros Folks, this is literally happening one block from where we are right now. It is happening right now, like no more than two blocks.

Go ahead and leave the audio up, please. You can see the cops on the mounted police officers. You see the cops that are behind them with their with their ride gear on. They are moving this crowd away from Lafayette Park. It is right across the street from the White House. They are also firing rubber bullets into the crowd. The streets that they're running down, folks, in a second, they're dropping. You see those. So when you hear those sort of all of them, so when you hear that,

those sort of explosions, that's what that is. And then all of a sudden you're gonna start, when you hear the pop, pop, pop, I mean, you're literally hearing the rubber bullets that are being fired by the police into the crowd. You're hearing lots of explosions out there, obviously. They made it clear that they're going to be enforcing this 7 p.m. curfew. Their goal is, what the cops have making a second push. A second push.

They're now on the foot. Justice! Now! Don't talk about this! Now! Justice! Now! Don't shoot us! Now! Don't shoot us! Now!

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I want to go ahead and play this video of Senator Kamala Harris speaking earlier today. Often where there may be one bad apple, there's a whole bunch of bad apples. And that is why it is important that we have investigations of pattern and practice of discrimination where we have a concern that that may be occurring. We also have to restore the United States Department of Justice's responsibility to oversee and enforce consent decrees, which only come about because there has been a showing and proof of discrimination,

of misconduct, and a court then has the responsibility of overseeing the reforms. These are the things we must demand. We must demand a national officer misconduct registry, where, again, we bring transparency to the American public, and we have the ability to know who and where they are when they are carrying a gun and a badge, if they've been found to have committed misconduct in their jurisdiction or another jurisdiction. And in closing, I'll just say that we cannot continue to have two systems of justice in America based on where you live or the color of your skin. That's why the people are in the streets protesting. That's why we are witnessing the pain, the anguish, the frustration, and the anger.

And yes, the anger. Because when people have had to be subjugated, when people have been made to feel less than whole by a system, you will see the kinds of response that we are seeing today. So I call on us to do everything in our power, and of course I join for a national day of mourning, and I thank you again, the National Urban League, for bringing us all together. Now, folks, what is going on, as we told you, you have in one point there, you had Donald Trump, who was out there speaking. So while people were protesting, he actually went to the Rose Garden to say something. Let's see what the hell he talked about. Go ahead. Go to it, guys.

Thank you very much. My fellow Americans, my first and highest duty as president is to defend our great country and the American people. I swore an oath to uphold the laws of our nation, and that is exactly what I will do. All Americans were rightly sickened and revolted by the brutal death of George Floyd. My administration is fully committed that for George and his family, justice will be served. He will not have died in vain. But we cannot allow the righteous cries and peaceful protesters to be drowned out by an angry mob.

The biggest victims of the rioting are peace-loving citizens in our poorest communities. And as their president, I will fight to keep them safe. I will fight to protect you. I am your president of law and order. So folks here's what's going on. I'm not playing the rest of that bullshit.

According to various folks on social media, Alexi McCammon who was with Axios, she said sources tell me park rangers are clearing Lafayette Park me park rangers are clearing Lafayette Park. Park rangers are clearing Lafayette Park. I'm going to actually come back to this here and play it for you guys, try to go live to it. So apparently park rangers are clearing Lafayette Park so Donald Trump can walk to St. John's Church from the White House soon. What soon? So. So. Wow. So he wants to walk to St. John's to what? Fake prayer. Fake prayer, Brittany. Really, really, really struggling right now with his mixed messaging, but more importantly, just not understanding what's happening in this world. This isn't solely about police violence. It is certainly about the death under the hands of the police. But it's also about the type of violence that Dr. Reckon

was just talking about. We're talking about violence. You know, poverty is violence. Lack of health care is violence. Lack of resources, not having jobs, being on the front lines and dying as a result of the coronavirus is violent. So to hear any interpretation or any or him try and tell us that he's going to fight for us, we know that's not true, because if he was to fight for us, he'd be fighting for us, you know, as a people all across the board, not just when it comes to police, police violence. I'm just not with it. What a joke to listen to him say, Cleo, that he's an ally of all peaceful protesters.

Give me a break. Trump speaks in cold. As you turn him down, he talked about the poor, the poor people and how he was not going to ignore them. I think he's talking about poor whites. I think he's concerned about losing that part of his support because he had so much of it when he first ran. And I think he was really talking to those poor people and trying to let them know that he still has them in mind. But I want to say something that I hope doesn't get on people's nerves. Brittany, you and others, including Kamala, keep talking about these crowds as if they have a clear level of critical analysis hold tight one second hold tight one second cleo so apparently according to uh brie jackson happening now trump is actually walking out of the white house and heading to a nearby church uh brie jackson reports

this moment this moment after law enforcement used tear gas to disperse nearby crowds taking part in protest. He's going to St. John's Church. Yeah. And you know why, Roland? Because of ego. Because he was cowering in a bunker the other day. He knows it. Mr. Tough Guy, Mr. Fake Alchemist, Mr. Never Served in the Military, nothing. And so now because of his ego, because he has to feel like a man that he can walk in the military, nothing. And so now because of his ego,

because he has to feel like a man that he can walk across the street, they cleared the street with that row of horses that you just showed so that he can feel like an adult, so he can feel like a man. That's what this is about. That's why he's walking across St. John's Church. This is why he just fake told the nation

he's gonna use military as a police force, which he cannot do, which is illegal, which he will not do because he cannot do it. It's illegal. So that's Donald Trump's ego. He wants to get into the act because it has nothing to do with this. This is a governor's, mayor's moment right here, National Guard moment. And so because that news got out that he was cowering in the bunker, now he's got to walk across the street to St. John's Church. So this is, go to my iPad, please. Jennifer Jacobs posted this on Twitter literally moments ago.

This is Donald Trump after that Rose Garden, walking out. Looks like he's with Mike Pence. Let me just zoom in. You've got Secret Service. You've got, obviously, cabinet folks and others. And so, yeah, so this is the photo of him walking out of the White House gates over to St. John's. And you're absolutely right, Lauren, is he's ticked off that the story made him look like he was weak, not only in the bunker, but them turning the lights off on the White House grounds as well.

And so, Cleo, Mr. Tough Guy, he constantly needs his John Wayne moment. Well, the president, as he's called, has made himself an easy target to joke about. But his audience buys a lot of what he does. Of course, of course. And that's because they, for them, it's we're voting for John Wayne, tough guy. He's going to keep all of them in order.

His law and order speech at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland, his carnage in America speech, the inauguration. Remember, Cleo, President George W. Bush was quoted as saying after his speech, that was some weird shit. Yeah. But however, as I've said before, Donald Trump has not created a new Trump card, if you will, or a new way of approaching who he looks like and how he looks to his public. He's the same dude. And frankly, some of his tactics have worked.

So we're here with more clarity from our perspective that we can actually critique him and call him ridiculous, but his strategies have got him to where he is. So I take them very seriously regardless of how ridiculous they look. But something I was saying earlier that I want to finally say is that the implication is that these people out in the street doing this protesting have this critical analysis regarding racism, the coronavirus, neglect that the president has shown in terms of taking care of this issue and the hundreds of thousands of people who have died because he didn't pull the trigger and step up. But I was at a protest that was literally a block from my office yesterday. And I talked to people, particularly

black people, but white people as well. And all I'm hearing about is what they did to George Floyd was wrong, that it was bad and what he did was wrong. They're not talking about all these other issues, that a lot of the, what do you call us? They call us political analysts and they call us people who actually give the news, but they're not talking about these things. Only the people who are in leadership or who are taking political positions who might get a microphone are talking like this. But a lot of the people on the ground are not talking like this. And also, I want to say that there are mixed agendas. Reverend Barber talked about that there phone are talking like this, but a lot of the people on the ground are not talking like this. And also, I want to say that there are mixed agendas. Reverend Barber talked about that there were Asians, Latinos, Native Americans, and Black people. There's some truth to that in terms of the

representation, but not everybody's on the same page. And there also are some infiltrators. So I think it's important at some point that we remove the fog and talk about the different types of people who are involved in this and what they really are thinking about. The black people I spoke to are mad about George Floyd. They're dealing with the cumulative effect of having dealt with so many bodies being killed by the cops, but they don't know what to do other than have rage. There is no end game. There's not enough talk about the policy issues that Reverend Barber mentioned in terms of

going to the polls and feeling like you can do something about this. A lot of people have yet, including those who are in the street, to connect the dots, to look at this as something else that I'm doing in addition to voting, in addition to dealing with policy and making systemic change. Well, the question that comes up here, the bottom line here, Lorne, is that we're dealing also with electoral politics here. And with this whole video here, he wants to send the signal to his people.

I'm the man. I'm big and bad. You see me, how I'm going to the church. It was damaged last night due to a fire. That's all this is. Uh, and yeah, he hates those stories that show him to be weak and impotent. Not only that, and I'm going to pull it up in a second. Um, don't forget Lauren, who else went to church today? Joe Biden, right. So, hey, you know, Donald Trump is really, I mean, to say that he is the most dangerous person that we could have in charge in this moment that we've had, and of course the moment we just had with regards to the pandemic, I shouldn't talk about it in past tense because, of course, we're still dealing with it. Unfortunately for us, he snuck into office on an electoral college fluke. He is a pretend person. He is a reality TV show star. He went to some fake ass bullshit military high school or something, and he thinks he's a tough guy, right? I'm sitting a foot away from a real

military veteran, otherwise known as my favorite nephew, who actually served. His mother in the Navy, my sister Sheila, actually served. This country understands and knows what real service is. Donald Trump is a fake. He's a counterfeit. And these are the stunts that he has to pull. He's actually putting more people in danger, walking across the street to the church so he can be seen, rather than staying in the White House or going to some golf course or going to New York or wherever he needs to be going. No, he wants to stay there to prove, because of his ego,

as we just went over. And obviously, Roland, the point that you just made is perfect. Joe Biden went to a church today, African American church, so of course now Trump has to somehow, you know, top that. It's nonsense. It's dangerous. This little show of force that we saw in front of the White House is dangerous. It's exactly how not to deal with the situation. It will escalate, probably get worse tonight in Washington and all these other cities. I'm sitting about 20 minutes away from the Barclays Center. The New York City

Police Department, who I, you know, I have sort of a love-hate because I've got many members of my family in law enforcement who served in New York. But their attitude is control. Their attitude is authoritarian. Their attitude is we're going to make sure that we're in power, we're in control of you, and we're not letting you step out of line. That is going to fail. And it's going to fail because every time something happens, whether it's Walter Scott, Philando Castile, Eric Garner, Breonna Taylor, now George Floyd, it's going to fail because it keeps happening. People are tired of it. And effectively what we saw with the case of George Floyd was extrajudicial justice, which we've seen in this country, with regard to black men for 400 years. And people are tired of

it. Now, this is the first time, the unprecedented moment is this is the first time we've seen in this country, with regard to black men for 400 years. And people are tired of it. Now, this is the first time, the unprecedented moment is the first time we've seen it be multiracial as it is, which that should scare everybody in authority. Because before they could just say, well, it's black people, we'll just ignore them. They can't say that now. So now they have a different problem on their hands because we live in a multicultural society. And we'll see what happens next. Here's Joe Biden speaking today at a black church in Wilmington, Delaware. Deals with the institutional structures and institutional racism, but also economic structures that need to be fixed. What the New Deal did was it left out a lot of black folks, but it made a whole lot of

changes in the way we ran the country. I think this is the next position that will significantly leap forward in terms of providing for institutional changes. For example, in education, the idea that if you're in a Title I school, your teachers are quitting because there's not enough money, not being paid enough money. We're short right now 1,400,000, 500,000 teachers. This is going to be close to 3 million by 2020. What are we going to do?

What's that going to do? We have to raise teachers' salaries. We have to be in a position where we can provide triple the funding for Title I schools. You can't go on and get wonky for a year. You send every kid three, four, and five years old to school, not to daycare, to school. Every great university study you probably know has demonstrated that that increases over 56 percent the likelihood to achieve all no matter what the background no matter how poor the house folks are there i'm looking at some of the feeds here abby phillips tweeted this here um what is going on the president is posing for pictures with a Bible in his hand. And now White House staff is coming

to pose with him. This is I mean, Cleo, you made the point. What he's doing is he is saying to white conservative evangelicals, I'm going to protect this church. And he's saying to all the other white folks, I'm going to keep the rest of these people in their place. And this country is over 63 percent white. I remember Lauren and I had a short debate in 2000, late, early 2016, about that Trump could be president, and we kind of had a debate about, we disagreed. I felt that he could be president. She felt that he couldn't. Well, we need to not underestimate things even now, because white supremacy mythology is not rational. It's not honest. It's two-faced. Some of those people who are white, not all, I'm not saying all, but some of those people who are white that are part of this mosaic of different colors that are in the street are not really supportive of black people and are taking advantage of the moment and using social change ideas as a fashion statement for their own personal gain. And we really need

to be careful. We also need to take this time beyond our own critical analysis of what's going on politically and educate our community on the importance of policy, the importance of understanding that they have power in their hands and that it doesn't stop at the presidency, that it doesn't stop at their local communities, that it's a national system that we need to pay attention to as Black people and take some control. I need to hear more about that because a lot of us in this society, because of social media, jump on the popular train of what's going on without a critical analysis. People have to have a critical analysis and some political literacy about how they can make change now that they seemingly are awake. Again, yes, Trump is a trip. Trump is contrived. Trump plays games. Trump manipulates. But Trump is still the president of the states. And those people who are out there right now in

Washington, DC are in danger because they're in Trump land. And Trump ain't playing when it comes to protecting his ego, protecting his power, and making himself look forceful. This issue is very serious, and I know we all know that. But I do think that we're still looking at a win in terms of getting past white supremacist agendas because of how crazy they look. I'm not that convinced that we're there yet. One of the things that what is happening is that in Birmingham, it happened last night where protesters tore down a Confederate statue. Right now, though, I want to show you the Lincoln Project,

a group of Republicans who hate Donald Trump. They put out a very powerful, powerful ad that spoke to and linked Confederate flags and these races out there with Donald Trump. Do y'all have that ready? Okay. First of all, okay, guys, I, uh, okay. I'm gonna deal with that later. Fine. Show the video of the Confederate statue. This was last night in Birmingham where they brought the statue down. So they brought that one down. That was one of the statues. Now there's another much larger monument in Birmingham. And the mayor, Randall Woodfin of Birmingham, this is what he told the protesters last night. First, I'm telling you simply to leave the statue alone.

I gave you my word Tuesday at by noon, okay? Yes. Thank you all. Thank you. So Mayor Woodfin said Tuesday, look, Birmingham's been fighting trying to get the statue removed. The state passed a law saying no local government could remove any Confederate statues without the state's approval. I thought Republicans, they love small government and they love local control.

But to link these flags and Trump, the Lincoln Project, this is the video they launched last night. Quite powerful. And I must say, Lauren, Republicans know how to do ads. Watch this. The men who followed this flag 150 years ago knew what it meant. Treason against their country. The death of the United States. America defeated the men who followed that flag.

Those with honor surrendered and cast it aside forever. So why does it keep showing up today at events supporting Donald Trump? And why does he call the folks who carry it very fine people? I think there's blame on both sides. But you also had people that were very fine people. What does it say that they're all in for Trump? What does it say that he won't condemn a flag of hate, division, and losers. Do not replace us!

For us, it says this is a time for choosing America or Trump. Brittany, America or Trump, that's called a bumper sticker. Republicans are real good at bumper stickers. And what this group is saying, vote for America, vote for Trump. What do you think about that? Well, I'm definitely glad that they are bringing into question the Confederate flag and its connections to United States history. Obviously, you know, there are so many conservatives and Confederate flag-holding people who are, you know, they have the lost cause is the reason why they say they promote this flag, that, you know, it has to do with states' rights. But, of course, we know it has nothing to do with states' rights the way in which they mean it.

It was the states' rights to have and own slaves, to perpetuate and continue, you know, in slavery. So I'm glad that they're bringing it to the forefront, if anything. Cleo? Like you said, Robin, they know how to make ads. The Democrats can take some lessons from them because when it comes to making ads,

they know how to codify, and America or Trump is a very powerful message. Again, I'm a little more cynical than you. I'm not sure how serious they are about not supporting Trump and his white supremacist veil. But yes, I was at this group right here. This group, Lauren, they are not supporting Trump. Stuart Stevens, Steve Schmidt, Rick Wilson. He hates them. This is the George Conway, John Weaver, Rick Wilson group. And frankly, Steve Schmidt and them, it doesn't surprise me.

When they were working as Republicans on campaigns like John McCain's, they were just as good at that as they are at this. They know how to do an ad. It's tight. And even down to like the narrator, the voice of the narrator, everything is just perfect images. And I actually think that Cleo, even though I'm going to remain the optimist here and say that I think there's more than enough white people who understand at this point that Donald Trump is crazy. I mean, I totally agree with you. Certainly the history of our country

would indicate that, of course, he has a shot at winning. But if you look at the polling and you look at the state of play with regard to the economy, I would be shocked if he pulled it off. I just think that things like the Lincoln Project and George Will leaving the Republican Party and all that sort of verified to me that there's probably enough white folks out there that have figured out we can't continue to do this. I think it's going to be difficult for Trump to win, but we don't know who Biden's vice is going to be yet.

And I think that that's going to make a difference in terms of what occurs. And people still are rooting for Trump. I mean, and the polls, sometimes we say the polls are BS. And sometimes when we like the polls, we say that they make sense. And I'm not sure if the polls are correct. Matter of fact, there were some polls in 2016 that implied that Donald Trump was going to win. Here's the deal here.

I'm not, the reality is, this is way too early. Doesn't matter what polls say right now. When you get to September and October, that's what really matters. But I want to play this here. A few days ago, I had a conversation with somebody. Y'all, I know I call I call Cleo super black for being radical. But I would dare say Dr. Conrad Worrell is a hell of a lot more radical than even Cleo Monago, longtime leader of the National Black United Front.

This is somebody who if he proudly accepts the phrase being a black radical. He has been very sick. It's been very sick. And I called him to talk to him just to thank him for all of his work all of these years. And we had a good conversation. He thanked me for having another radical like Greg Carr on this show. But then he reached out to me and Mark Thompson and he wanted to say something. He wanted this to be on the record now.

Dr. Conrad Worrell made it perfectly clear. He said this is a black radical, a man who said he has never believed that voting is going to make a bit of a difference. He said, point blank, the most fundamental and the most important thing for every black person in America is to vote Donald Trump out in November. Here's the conversation between Dr. Conrad Worrell, Mark Thompson, and myself. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a special, exclusive collaboration between Roland Martin, Roland Martin Unfiltered, and yours truly of Make It Plain. We are honored to have a conversation with someone who's been an elder teacher and guide for so many of us, Dr. Conrad Worrell.

Just briefly, Dr. Worrell is a native of Pasadena, where his father was best friends with Jackie Robinson's older brother, Mac Robinson. Conrad eventually migrated to Chicago, where he was a football and basketball and track star in high school, a veteran of the Vietnam era as well. He went on to earn his master's and his Ph.D. and ultimately to be the director of the Center for Intercity Studies at Northeastern Illinois University. But he is most also a veteran, not only of the civil rights movement and SNCC for a while. He was at the 72 Black Political Convention in Gary. He was chair of the National Black United Front for over two decades,

one of the pioneers in the National Coalition for Black Reparations in America. He's been fighting for reparations. He organized the Millions for Reparations March after being one of the directors of the Millions Man March in Washington, D.C. So our brother has done a lot. And I should also mention he was one of the architects of Harold Washington's victory as the first black mayor of Chicago. Conrad, hey, brother, you're on with Roland and me, man.

How are you, brother? We love you. We're praying for you. All right. Thank you, brothers. Thank you so much. You're welcome. We're honored to talk to you. How are you doing? What are you thinking? What are you spending your time thinking about and pondering? I know you have a special message for us and for the community. Well, right now, aside from fighting my cancer and receiving all the love from African people around the world who are lifting me up in prayer and revolutionary revolutionary, spiritual, uplifting. I just want to say thank you. I'm not giving up

and I'm fighting my ass off. And I love you and I want to say thank you. But in my world, in my life, I have been influenced greatly by history. People like Martin R. Delaney, David Walker, Edward McNeil Turner, Frederick Douglass, and many others.

But coming in the age of a young man, I began to be entombed by Brother Malcolm, who helped internationalize the Black struggle. His famous album, The Ballad of the Bullet, was classy. And we should listen to it now for instruction. This is what I've been thinking about. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Roland?

Conrad, obviously a lot of people are paying attention to what's happening in this presidential race. They're looking at what's happening with politics, this whole idea of African-Americans, what should we be demanding of candidates, especially on a Democratic side. Just your assessment of just what you're seeing, feeling, and hearing, and what we should be focused on. Okay, let me just say this. I'm a revolutionary. I'm a pan-African nationalist.

And I haven't been aligned with any political party in terms of loyalty throughout my whole life. But this is what I have to say. The reconstruction period that ushered in our right to vote and where we are now in this critical moment with a maniac in the White House, I think all black people should bury the hatchet. I know electoral politics has its limitations, but at this hour, black people need to unite and help throw Trump out of the White House, bury our hatches, try to unify around some specific black agenda items in the back room.

You specifically say in the back room. Obviously, stuff plays out differently today on social media. What I mean by that is we need to grasp something generally that we can agree upon. But more importantly, even if we don't agree. Let's bury the hatchet and take Trump out. Take the man out. The man is no good to humanity. He's no good specifically for black people. This man gets reelected. We're in deep trouble. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

So that's my message. My message is, can we watch for all those who hatches black people? Can we say, hey, this is a critical hour? What a man telling us to take a drug that will kill us? A man that would be leading the charge against Obama not being a citizen of this country in the first place, a man who allies himself with the confederate leftover vestiges of white supremacy, a man who obviously has no regard for the millions of people who are being affected by this virus. You don't be concerned about it. The election. I mean, come on black people. Can we unite around getting Trump out? Can we dare to hatchet immunity for this particular moment in history?

Sergei Douglas, who was a civil rights advocate, and Martin Delaney, who was one of the early Pan-African nationalists during Reconstruction, they united 150 years ago so this is a critical hour and i'm only i'm only pleading to black people to bury the hatchet and take trump out One other question. There are some who are suggesting that if Joe Biden does not support or endorse or embrace a black agenda that we might give him, that he does actually does not deserve our vote. Is it so what is your reaction to that suggestion? My reaction is bury the hatchet and take Trump out. The specifics of, you know, there's a lot of, there's a lot of clowning going on, man. You know, you know, our people, we don't, you know, all that, all that's nice. And we should work to make him, uh, agree to some of our agenda items and we should fight the man and pressure the man and

do everything we can to exercise and leverage our support for Joe Biden. But I always talk about, you know, if he don't, what you going to do? You don't go with Trump? I'm serious. Some of the items that we've advocated over the years, we can force him to adopt. If we got all this old talk before we unite, it's just Negroes hollering in electoral politics trying to get strangers. What jumps out the most here, Conrad, is that when you talk about what Trump is doing in terms of where we are going, one of the things that I keep making it clear to people is that if you look at the individuals who Donald Trump

is putting on the federal bench, these people are going to be there for the next 40 to 50 years. So the election is not just about who wins the next four years. It's who controls the federal bench for the next two generations. Absolutely, Roland. Look, what we have to understand is in the reformed nature of electoral politics and its relationship to black people, the whole, there's a wing in America of white people that want to take us back. They still feel that we ought to go back to the Confederacy and that white supremacy should prevail and they should reemerge to be the power force in America.

That's very clear. When they say they want to take America back, what they mean is the Confederacy tradition of white supremacy will re-become their property again. And they impose on our non-humanity status of us not having any rights that a white man will respect. And they will do that in part to their Supreme Court and other federal courts throughout the nation. We need to stop. I can't, as a revolutionary man, as a Pan-African nationalist, not necessarily. My work has not been totally in the civil rights

movement. I've been a black power advocate primarily, and I've represented a different way. We've had two rings historically around ideas in America for black people. Ideas are weapons of war. And right now, the idea is to unite black people to take Trump out, whatever it takes, whatever our debates with each other, whatever our internal contradictions with each other, whatever our internal differences, it is time to figure it out there is a hatchet and take trump out for the future of our race of african people inside

america and all humanity my final question to you Conrad is this year a young person listen to this saying look we appreciate what you've done that's the old guy who's talking what about for us we're young we have a different view what would you say to that black voter who is 18 to 35 years old? I would say that I was 18 and went through the period to become 35. And I talked a lot of smack, said a lot of things. But in the end, I found out in some regards, in my youthfulness, I didn't know what the hell I was talking about. Because we weren't necessarily listening to the wisdom of the elders and the intergenerational conversation among African people inside America. I love young people. They're the next wave. So I would say to the young people,

you know, I love you all, but but listen to your elders. Listen to your ancestors. Don't make them the face of the past, of our usefulness as young people reading, studying, and understanding the history of the black movement and social movements in America. It's been a deep call. So I would just urge them, the young people, to pay attention to history, pay attention to intergenerational conversation, and pay attention to the mistakes that the young people made in the 1960s.

I love y'all, young people. We need y'all to help us take out Trump. Conrad, thank you, man. We love and appreciate you. And thank you for this, man. Thank you for your guidance and your eldership, brother. Okay. Love you, Doc.

Love you, Conrad. Thank you. Thank you so much. I love you. Thank you. All right. Take care. All right. Take care. All right.

OK, so Conrad, get you some rest, man. We'll talk to you later. All right. Those were the words of Dr. Conrad Worrell as he is putting up a valiant fight against colon cancer. The interview took place eight days ago. It took place actually on the Sunday, Memorial Day Sunday, the day before George Floyd was killed in Minneapolis. I want to go back to my panel. Brittany, lack of better

phrase, those are the words of a dying man. For sure. And I think what he's saying is so important. But the thing that I hope that I hope for more is that his words are taken out of context and that we listen to read and study alongside folks like Dr. Conrad and Dr. Greg Carr. And what do I mean by that? Our oppression has been going on for centuries, for decades. And I'm one of those young people, right? I struggle with this notion of, well, it's just the bad apple in conversations regarding reform and electoral

politics as the only answer. And I'm always like, reform is not enough, right? I'm definitely much so on their way. You know, getting more black faces in high places may lessen the blow, but it's not going to necessarily lead to our freedom. The system continues to do what it was designed to do from its earliest iterations. And do not get me wrong. Black folks have fought and died at every level at every time for the right to vote. I absolutely agree with our elders. We need to vote Donald Trump out. I don't care what it is. I don't care what's going on with Joe Biden. Donald Trump cannot be in the office. But it cannot be our only tactic and means of liberation. So again, I say that, you know, not only do we need to respect our elder Dr. Conrad by listening

to his call to vote Donald Trump out, but we also need to listen to him beyond this moment and listen to those intergenerational conversations and understand this system in its entirety and understanding that electoral politics is important, but it is not a means to an end and it's not our liberation. But yes, absolutely. We need to vote Donald Trump out. And the reality, Cleo, I don't think he was saying that it's a means to an end, but the reality is this here.

You can yell, holler and scream about what policies that you want to be implemented to change. But you have to have people who are in place who are actually going to present your plans and put them up. I mean, as simple as that. First of all, Roland, sincerely, thank you so much for that interview. It was powerful. Your questions were powerful and profoundly relevant. And it wasn't for you. And I'm not just trying to smoke, blow smoke. I'm very serious. It wasn't for you.

As many people who are going to hear Dr. The doctor who heard him would not have heard him. And it sounds like they might be hearing him on his last leg. And it was transformative what he said, and even for me. I totally agree with what he said, bury the hatchet and work on unifying as a people, which I don't think we talk about enough these days. We are in this interracial, multicultural stuff. Instead of resolving black particular problems and black particular

consequences of the attack on our psyche and self-concept by the myth of white supremacy, which is also the myth of black inferiority. And these conflicts cause so much divisiveness that it's difficult for us to unify sometimes. And his message around the importance of unity is very important. We need to deconstruct that hatchet and get rid of it because, frankly, one of the reasons why Donald Trump is in the White House is because different types of white folks buried the hatchet and put him there because they wanted white people to be in demonstrative, undeniable control again. And they knew he was the man who was going to unquestionably create that kind of agenda and effect, which he has done.

But it's important to understand from from my perspective, that the doctor was saying that Trump is a weapon against black people. And you're always raising the issue of him putting judges on the bench who are going to be white supremacists on a policy level for generation after generation. That's important to keep on reiterating that, because what Donald Trump is going to do, even if he's not elected, is make sure that he leaves his mark, that he leaves his mark for white supremacy to reign on a policy level one way or the other. And we need to understand that. But I want to reiterate what he said about the importance of us unifying and getting beyond our differences. But to unify, we have to be in dialogue about our differences. It's not going to occur just because it's a good idea. People have raised brilliant and good ideas throughout our whole struggle as people of African descent in the United States.

But what has not happened enough is us having the critical focus on a unifying basis to unpack the barriers to our liberation and the things that are getting away inside of the black community for us coming together unconditionally to some extent. We should have conditions. We should insist on integrity and a sincere commitment to black progress. But we definitely need to bury the hatchet. But again, I was very moved by that. And I want to reiterate my thanks to you for putting that brother's voice on such a big platform. LaVertory Burke. Hey, so, you know, again, I'm the optimist here. I really think it's not really that complicated.

It's money. It's power. It's control. Maynard Jackson figured it out. Other African-American politicians can figure it out. You get elected. You control the money. You control the jobs.

You control the decision making. The other thing is, and I get it, you control the money, you control the jobs, you control the decision-making. The other thing is, and I get it, Trump's in office. He's in office. He's duly elected. There's no argument there. We have to remember, the majority of Americans who voted voted for Hillary Clinton. She got 2.8 million votes more than Donald Trump. So this idea that Donald Trump is the person everybody picked, no, the majority picked a person who ran a below average, average campaign run by Robbie Mook, didn't want to go to Michigan, didn't want to go to Wisconsin, totally blew that.

And it's not to say it can't happen again. Of course, anything can happen in life. But I think it is unlikely to happen again. I'm not a big fan of this idea in our democracy, though. In these moments, it's certainly interesting to watch things play out right now. This idea that voting is, you know, passe. When you vote the right people in power and they know what they're doing and they know how to control the game, you can get some huge results. And people understand that, which is why they take so much time to block black people specifically from voting. I mean, the Republican Party effectively has that as an open policy right in front of everybody's face.

So we get the people in there. You know, I know, Roland, you've talked about him a lot, Maynard Jackson. You know, I want to say his name again and again, because he's an example of somebody who understands the power game. And when you understand the power game, you know, I want to say his name again and again because he's an example of somebody who understands the power game. And when you understand the power game, you can you can make it happen for any group of people. Folks, Louisville, we were focused on the death of Breonna Taylor. We were talking about that. But another tragedy, David McAtee, black man, was shot and killed by National Guards at 26th and Broadway. This is some video that's from W.K.Y. on that's on Twitter. You'll see the video. Guys, go to my iPad, please. Thank you.

This has been stunning development there. People are they were already in shock and pain. The death of Breonna Taylor a couple of months ago. Now, this particular shooting of a man, a black man who owned a barbecue restaurant there, who often he was killed by national guards there, police there. He was often fed cops for free. Folks have been protesting. Folks have been. And in fact, I'm going to pull up another video. This is a video. This is from Stephen Dingle of WLKY. This is a video here. He shot this video, folks. This is six hours ago. And McAtee's body was still there. Folks are folks were upset, angry, was still there at that gas station. And how major is this? Well, here's a Louisville Courier-Journal.

Just a few moments ago. Hold on one second, I'm going to pull the story up. Just a few moments ago, the mayor of Louisville fired the police chief, Steve Conrad, after the shooting and the civil unrest. This was the statement from the police chief after the shooting of McAtee. Let me get where we have the audio, please. Guys, go ahead and play this. Very difficult four days for our city. Our officers are working very hard to keep people safe and to protect property. While doing that, we've had officers shot at and assaulted. I think it's very, very clear that many people do not trust the police. It's an issue that we're going to have to work on and work through for a long time.

Tonight's protests, once again, turned from peaceful to destructive. We moved quickly to disperse the crowds. At around 1215 a.m. this morning, LMPAD and National Guard units were dispatched to Dino's Food Market, located at 26th and Broadway, to clear a large crowd in the parking lot. Officers and soldiers began to clear the lot. Both LNPD and National Guard members were turned fire. We have one man dead at the scene. We have several persons of interest whom we are interviewing now. We are collecting video from the incident, and we expect to release what we have sometime tomorrow. Thank you.

That was the police chief in Louisville. He is fired, Brittany, as a result of how Louisville police conducted themselves in the last four days, and especially after the death of this black man david mcaddy you know roland i think um the national guard and the police are doing what they've always been doing um i don't know if you guys heard him say that they've been trying to protect property and some of the and in fact hold tight one second i'm sorry britney uh guys go to my laptop, go to iPad here. This is what makes it worse. On Monday afternoon, Mayor Greg Fisher fired Conrad, effective immediately after learning that officers at the fatal shooting of popular eatery owner David McAtee did not have their body cameras turned on. This type of institutional failure will not be tolerated, said Fisher,

who later added that an immediate change in leadership is required. Brittany, this is the thing I have been saying constantly. If you're going to have body cameras and those cops don't turn them on, fire those officers. Fire them. This chief has lost his job. He's been there for eight years. And he was a post down. He announced last month, according to this Louisville Courier-Journal story, that he was going to retire at the end of June amid increasing pressure in the wake of a different fatal shooting. That'll bring on a Taylor. Mayor said, no, you're gone now. Well, and this is this is petrifying, which is why I say I know we talk a lot about reforms and policing and we say that it's bad apples, and he's saying, you know, this is an institutional failure.

And it is an institutional failure. And, you know, what I was saying earlier is if you were listening to the chief speak, he specifically said, you know, we've been out here trying to protect the people but protect property. And, you know, some of the earliest iterations of policing in this country were related to the slave patrol doing what? Protecting their property. And when we talk about the mantra of police as protecting and serve, we're missing the

second half of that statement, which is to protect and serve the interests of the ruling class. And that's why you don't see the National Guard mobilized, when you see black bodies that have been dying for centuries, decades at the hands of police or community watch, but you do see it when it comes down to destroying property and interfering with the flow of capital. So these folks are doing everything possible to end the protests, which is their constitutional right, so things can go back to business as normal. But we know it's not going to stop, and business is not going to go back to normal because

people don't even have jobs. Typically, we see a lot of these things broken up because people have to go back to work. You know, we have our mourning, we have our protest, and we go back. But that's not going to happen this time. People don't have jobs to go back to. And even then we know this is an institutional thing. It's so much—I mean, we really have to look at this from an institutional perspective from its earliest iterations, because only about 100 corrupt officers have faced

homicide charges for their on-duty conduct since 2005. But 35 of those could only 35 of those were convicted as of 2019. And a 2019 report that I saw earlier today said police violence is now one of the leading causes of death for black people in the United States. This is its own epidemic. Lauren. Yes, well, you know, what would change the game here with regard to American policing, of course, is the criminal prosecution of police officers who do something such as Officer

Chauvin or former Officer Chauvin. That's what changes the game. There has to be criminal prosecution. Up until now, what we've had is cities paying out damage awards to families who have won a civil case. And until that paradigm has changed where you're making an individual person pay a price for an individual act, we're just going to see this over and over again. The other thing I would say is that it is interesting to watch the Atlanta example with

the two students from the HBCUs, the two students who were, I mean, there was a violent use of force incident, of course, ended up going viral on national TV, and the two cops were immediately fired. We see this police chief immediately fired, even though he was going to retire soon. But still, that's unusual in my view, because typically what happens is there is some sort of internal affairs review. There's the union talking. There's all that. We're starting to short circuit that. And that, to me, is real change we have not seen before. You typically don't see that. We still have this unfortunate situation, obviously, in Minneapolis where these other three cops have not been arrested, which I do think is strange, quite frankly. And you have a prosecutor standing in the way that is blocking probably that prosecutor.

Keith Ellison in charge of the prosecution, that may change as well. But this immediate firing, that's unusual. Usually that doesn't happen. I would say that we saw these incidents in New York with regard to the cars driving into the people. If you see people get fired immediately on that or anything, that's when you know real change is coming. Because to me, New York and Chicago are the two hardest departments to crack in this country with regard to policing culture and control and them not not wanting to accept any evaluation whatsoever of their conduct so keep an eye on chicago and new york with regard to what happens next david james who's the president of the

louisville city council uh councilman j, welcome to Roland Martin Unfiltered. Thank you, Roland. Folks obviously are shocked and stunned with the shooting death of David McAtee. The mayor is fired, the police chief. Can you get what happened last night? Can you tell us, I mean, why did the police all of a sudden just start firing into the audience? And also, was he hit with a rubber bullet or were they actually firing real bullets he was so i don't know if he was hit by rubber by they were firing paintballs i was told at first and then he got shot with real bullets that actually killed him um and i'm still trying to figure out why i'm trying to figure out why my friends did, quite frankly.

How long did you know Mr. McAtee? Tell us, for the folks who don't know, obviously, who he was. And he was so important. So many people are flooding the social media talking about how he was just a loving, kind man who gave to all in his barbecue restaurant. Absolutely. He gave to everybody. I've known him about 10 years or so. He cooked at an event I had every year.

He's just an outstanding guy. He loved everybody. He's a great family man. He loved his family. He loved the community. He would even give free food to the police officers that would stop through there on the beat and talk to him all the time. I can't tell you what a nice person he was. Where are you right now? Are you actually at the scene where the

shooting took place? No, I just left there just about 30 minutes ago. I was there earlier. So were they trying to enforce a curfew? Were they trying to disperse the crowd? I mean, what happened there? They, I don't know what they're going to do down there. I, I've been trying to get some clarity from the mayor about what his intentions are. Uh, but, uh, the mayor has imposed a curfew

and I'm told, uh, by many, many people that were there last night when, um, David was killed, that someone said to him that he should be in because of the curfew. I don't know that yet. I'm still trying to verify. But so what I'm still trying to understand, again, that the mayor apparently fired the police chief because the cops who fired on him were not wearing their body cam videos. Was he killed by Louisville police officers or by National Guard? That's what we're trying to figure out. I have not been told that yet, so I do not know. I do know that the mayor did fire the chief finally because the officers did not have their body cameras turned on.

My understanding is they had them on their bodies, but they never actually activated them. And is that departmental city policy that cops are to have their body cameras on at all times? Is that policy? They're supposed to turn it on the moment that they get the run, they receive the run on the radio. They're supposed to turn it on, but that didn't happen. And I'm trying to figure out why it didn't happen and why a supervisor did not enforce that that take place. Just like the case with Breonna Taylor, I'm trying to figure out why a supervisor didn't catch that that search warrant hadn't been updated since January 21st. It's just a total failure of leadership.

Wait a minute. So you're saying that the Breonna Taylor search warrant had not been updated for two months? Had not been updated for two months. January 21st was the last time it was updated. Wow. I have long said that if a cop, if his policy to turn that body camera on and they don't, that officer should be fired. Whether it's a dash cam or a body camera because it's there and the body camera is there to protect the police officer as well as a citizen when something goes down and you know the the chief when we put the body camera policy in place uh he allowed the narcotics unit not to have body cameras because they said they didn't want to which doesn't make sense to me and so with brianna taylor's shooting we don't have body camera footage

and on this shooting now we don't have body camera footage wait a minute they didn't have the body cameras on during the brianna taylor shooting no there were no body cameras in the Breonna Taylor shooting. Absolutely correct. Okay. Sorry to have my mouth is wide open. Absolutely. It should be. It's amazing.

We were showing a video. We were showing some video there and just how people are responding to this. I know there's a curfew, but clearly this shooting death is going to further inflame the situation in Louisville. Absolutely, it will.

And people are hurt to their core. Hurt to their core. Hurt to their core. I know it has to be hard for you, sir, losing a friend, losing somebody who was important to the city. Our condolences go to you. Thank you. Go to Louisville. And look, all black people are calling for is just justice.

Absolutely. And if you're a cop, you do what's right. You're absolutely correct. You're absolutely correct. These two shootings have rocked our community. Black people in Louisville are hurt. They're angry. They want change and they want justice.

And the mayor needs to hear. Council President David James, I appreciate you joining us at Rollerbutton Unfiltered. Thank you. Roland? Cleo. This is a response to that,

but it's also a response to what Lauren said earlier about these cases where there's immediate firing. And she's right. She is being an optimist. I look forward to becoming an optimist like that one day myself. But this country is bigger than New York. It's bigger than St. Louis. And you just found out that when Breonna was murdered, there were no body cams. And the only reason we know about this is because it made it to the National Square, and the police chief got on media,

and we heard about this, and the mayor reacted. The mayor probably already knew about Breonna's case. He already knew that this was a groundswell that might swell up in his face and hurt him, so he nipped it in the bud for a man who's getting ready to retire. I don't know if I'm cynical or just intuitive regarding the fact that this is not necessarily a cultural shift that these high-profile immediate firings have occurred because they were high-profile. Before the coronavirus, I was constantly traveling and hearing about horrible local stories of police brutality and murder of Black people that never, ever made the national stage.

I've heard of stories, including in Baltimore, where cops were stepping on the cell phones of people they were going to victimize. And of course, there was no body camera in those incidents, so they cannot tell. You said something that I thought was very profound because it sounds so simple. You said all Black people want is justice. Well, we've been wanting justice for going on three centuries. That's irrelevant to the irrational white suprem George Floyd. They don't care about what Dylann Roof did. They don't care about these things. So I think it's important that while we evaluate these things from a lens that is rational, that we are real clear about the two-facedness, the schizophrenic, and the deceptiveness of how white, deceptivity of how white supremacy works, and work harder on social change,

work harder on black unity, work harder on political literacy because we can't trust these white folks. And of course, Mr. Fisher did what he did, but I think it was politically motivated. It wasn't necessarily because of a change of heart or a change in this country. Brittany, to listen to the pain in that councilman's voice, losing a friend of his, not even 20 hours ago, on top of the Breonna Taylor, and to hear again another set of cops refusing to turn their body cameras on. And it's just, and I'm trying to figure out why in the hell, okay, again, I've seen the photos of people

who've been damaged by rubber bullets, but you're firing actual ammo into crowds of protesters? At this point, you know, we're a police state because the ability to stop, you know, the democracies or the freedoms that we say that we have to, you know, protest are quickly being quelled by any means necessary is beyond frightening. And I like the point that Cleo made about the white supremacist mind, because I think about this often when we talk about reforms. And I'm not saying I have a solution here for the police state. But how do you stop the white mind from seeing black skin as a threat?

You know, the police already have the escalation technique. We see them used on white mass shooters all the time. They get taken in without a scratch. Police training is, I don't know if that's a full-on solution to this, Roland. I don't have the answer here, but I think it's a bit more complex. And it hurt me. It hurt me to see that brother so upset, honestly. It hurt me and it hurts to see all of us so frustrated having some of the same conversations we've had for centuries and centuries. And, you know, let me just say I thank you

because you bring these conversations to the forefront. You bring these guests to the forefront and give us an opportunity to really strategize and think through what next steps are. Yep. You know what? Lauren, you come from a family of law enforcement. And how hard

is it, click, to turn a camera on? Well, it's very easy. To me, it should be an obstruction of justice charge level against a police officer that doesn't turn his camera on. We do have to have national standards for this. You know, you're never going to get me to say with as many cops as I have in my family that police work is not complicated.

Of course it's complicated. The police are a—they are part of our society like everybody else. And every profession has its idiots, and we come from a country of 400 years of racism. The police department is not immune from that. It just so happens that their job involves a license to kill. So when they make a mistake, that mistake can be fatal. Okay, so it's not like being an accountant.

Mistake. I get what Cleo is saying with regard to white supremacy. I understand the history of this country, but let's be honest with ourselves here. We can get a result if we want a result. Okay, our American military, which is often put in a much more set of dangerous circumstances overseas with people that don't look like them, don't have these problems. Right. Because if you if you do something stupid overseas with somebody and you kill them, some extrajudicial justice, you pay a price for that because the standards are high in our military.

I would say the standards are much higher in our military than they are for civilian police in the United States. We basically don't have any standards for civilian police in the United States. These smaller departments do whatever the hell they want. That's why Michael Brown gets shot eight times for absolutely nothing. Right. And his body's laying in the street all day and all this other nonsense. So if you have standards and you apply those standards and you punish people who are bad actors, you will get a result. And we've seen that in our military. We should apply that to our police. We don't have those standards because, quite frankly, the police control the political game very well. And the

reason I bring up New York and Chicago is they control it very well in these cities where you have mayors like Rudy Giuliani and Bill de Blasio who want to bend over for the police force instead of thinking about the good of the citizenry at large, which they're not particularly good at. We watched stop and frisk under Giuliani, which there was one year, I think it was 2013 or 14,

where 600,000 people were stopped in a violation, clear violation of Fourth Amendment. OK, it was like 89 percent black and Latino and nobody said anything. These conservatives want to talk about less government and due process said absolutely nothing for 12 years. It wasn't until the ACLU sued stopped that from happening. So you can get a result if you want a result. We do it with our military. We do it with other things. You have to make individuals

pay a price. Our military makes individuals pay a price when they make mistakes, a heavy price. And we know what that history is, the Maile massacre, and we go on and on with that. We don't do that with civilian police. We let them do whatever they want, and we get the results that we earn from that.

Got it. Folks, real quick, literally 30 seconds. Folks, real quick, literally 30 seconds. Lauren, you have police officers in your family, and I've been trained and been through the full training of the Deputy Sheriff Department

of East Los Angeles. And there are guidance. There is training around how to deal with the public. And there are controls. There's guidance, but those controls are often trumped by people's attitudes and people's subjectivity and people's agenda in terms of why they put on the police outfit. But I think, but I'll say this to Lauren's point.

The difference is when you look at the punishment that's meted out, the military, it is clear cut. They're not perfect, but part of the problem, there are far too many loopholes. And what you don't have between the military and the police, you don't have the unions dealing with the military, the police unions and those contracts that look, look, Samuel Sengawi had the report. Forty six percent of the cops in Minneapolis who got fired got their jobs back because of arbitration. Real quick, Lauren, go ahead. No, I was just going to say that, look, in the military, it's understood what the rules are. They tell everybody what the rules are, okay?

And when you violate those rules, you're going to pay that price. And what I'm telling you, with American policing, there are no set standards for American policing. Every department can do whatever they want. We see the results. You know, I'm dating a federal cop now. He doesn't—they have a much stricter set of standards. If you notice, you're not hearing a whole lot of stuff in the news about federal police officers making mistakes, like shooting people off-, because they're trained, they're weeded through, the groups, the guys that they pick

have to practically be perfect by the time they get hired. These smaller departments often are the problem. And also what you just said, Roland, about unions and the way they control the political game and the mayors, that's the whole ballgame, particularly for these bigger cities. Gotcha. Folks, I got to leave it there. We got to go. I certainly want to thank Lauren, Brittany, and Cleo for joining us, as well as Louisville Council President David James,

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