#RolandMartinUnfiltered - GOP Blames Dems for Shutdown, Pew Poll Slams Trump, Crockett Responds, Bad Bunny Super Bowl Fire

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

10.1.2025 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: GOP Blames Dems for Shutdown, Pew Poll Slams Trump, Crockett Responds, Bad Bunny Super Bowl FireDay one of the GOP-led government shutdown, and guess who Republicans are blaming? That's right, Democrats. My Congresswoman, Jasmine Crockett, is here to set the record straight. A new Pew Research Center poll shows Americans view Trump, Vance, and congressional leaders in both parties more negatively than positively. We'll break it down with the Director of U.S. Politics Research at Pew.Democrats are still fighting to keep healthcare costs under control for American citizens. We'll hear from the President of the National Medical Association on what this battle means for the medical professionals caring for our loved ones.A White Utah Christian nationalist has some real racist things to say about black people who he'd welcome into his flock. And a New Mexico pastor doubled down on his views of Charlie Kirk, even after he was criticized and called a non-Christian for his views. And Puerto Rican pop star Bad Bunny is headlining the Super Bowl halftime show this year. MAGA world can't stand it. We'll speak with an expert to discuss why this controversy is significant.#BlackStarNetwork partner: Fanbasehttps://www.startengine.com/offering/fanbaseThis Reg A+ offering is made available through StartEngine Primary, LLC, member FINRA/SIPC.  This investment is speculative, illiquid, and involves a high degree of risk, including the possible loss of your entire investment. You should read the Offering Circular (https://bit.ly/3VDPKjD) and Risks (https://bit.ly/3ZQzHl0) related to this offering before investing.Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV.The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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A new Pew Research Center poll shows the man. Americans view Donald Trump, J.D. Vance, and congressional leaders in both parties more negatively than they do positively. We'll break it down with the director of U.S. politics research at Pew. Democrats are still fighting to keep health care costs under control for American citizens. We'll talk to the president of the National Medical Association what the battle means for health care professionals. A white preacher, white priest, speaks on Charlie Kirk and man do the... Why folks go crazy? Mm-hmm.

Wait till we show you what this New Mexico pastor had to say. Plus, Puerto Rican pop star Bad Bunny is pissing on MAGA because he was chosen to hail out of the Super Bowl. We'll talk with Rosa Clemente about the controversy. Man, it's a lot to break down, and it's time to bring the funk on Roland Unfilter on the Black Star Network. Let's go. He's on it.

Whatever it is, he's got the scoop, the fact, the fine. And when it blips, he's right on time. And it's rolling. Best belief he's knowing. Putting it down from sports to news to politics. With entertainment just for kicks. He's rolling. Yeah, yeah.

It's Uncle Roe, y'all. Yeah, yeah. It's rolling Martin, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Rolling with rolling now. Yeah. He's funky, fresh, he's real the best. You know he's rolling, Martin.

Now. Martel! All right, folks, day one, the Republican-led government shut down, and man, it's getting little funky. Republicans keep blaming Democrats, and they keep advancing the lie over and over and over that Democrats are trying to get health care for undocumented workers, who they call illegal aliens. Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson, we're on Good Morning America, and George

Stephanopoulos literally reads him. what the Democrats letter said and John's like, no, no, no, no, no, that's not it, rolling. This morning, the Democratic proposal is designed to prevent millions of Americans from losing their health insurance, losing Medicaid coverage, or paying higher health care premiums. Why are you against that? That's an absurd statement, what you said there. Let's be clear about what happened last night, George. No, George, let me tell you what happened last night.

Everybody can go and review the facts for themselves. 44 Senate Democrats voted to reject a clean, nonpartisan continuing funding resolution to keep the United States government open. The Democrats said instead that they wanted to give health care to illegal aliens instead of keeping critical services provided for the American citizens. That's what happened plain and simple. Every Democrat in the House except one voted against the clean, continuing resolution. It was nonpartisan in nature.

There are no policy writers on it that Republicans favored. That's exactly what Chuck Schumer and other Democrats voted for in March, but they've changed their tune. They changed their tune because Chuck Schumer is having political problems right now. That's just a simple fact, and everybody knows that he's trying to outrun the far left portion of his base, so he's decided to inflict pain on the American people. Here are facts. Here are the facts.

The proposal does not provide health care for illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants cannot buy health care under the Affordable Care Act. They cannot receive health care subsidies. Illegal immigrants are ineligible for Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children's Health Program. The Democratic bill does not make them eligible. It does, actually, because what it does is it unwinds the changes that Republicans put into the big beautiful bill, the big signature legislation that we passed and signed into law on July 4th. That has been very...

Okay, I can't keep listening to that line. Joining us right now is Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crocky. Glad to have you on the show, as I said before. My congresswoman says my house, and I'm still registered voter. in the 30th Congressional District of the Dallas suburb there. All right, so here's what crazy, Congressman Crockett. He literally is reading from the whole deal. And John, no, no, no, that's it.

That's a lie. That's a lie. It's a lie. How is it a lie? You can't, undocumented folks, can't get health care. It's the law. What the hell is he, J.D. Vance, Donald Trump, and all the Republicans talking about. Listen, they hate facts.

I mean, we know that. That's why they refuse to acknowledge that this is what seemingly looks like a career criminal that is serving as the president. This is why they refused to face the fact that January 6th was what it was, which was an insurrection. They are consistently trying to rewrite history, even when we talk about black history. They want to basically tell us it was a glorious thing or how they have glorified Jim Crow. The reality is that everything that George said, this is not about those that are undocumented getting health care. Now, let's just be very real about this rolling, like for two seconds. We have seen them going into people's places of work.

We have seen them going into places of worship. We have seen them going into people's schools and grabbing them up. We have also seen how a lot of these undocumented people have tried to go through the process. They are people that are going and showing up to court, and they are being disappeared. So you tell me, how many of them you think are about to say, well, you know what, but I do want to sign up for that health care that I'm not entitled to because the Democrats are about to fight for it. Like, that doesn't even make sense. That doesn't make sense. Literally, they are throwing people into alligator alcatraz, but now they are trying to sell us on this has something.

That's not what it is. What it is is that they are proposing to take $1 trillion out of the health care ecosystem. They have decided that they are going to slash Medicaid and Medicare funds. They have decided that these subsidies that were helping some people actually be able to afford their health care, which is life-saving for some people, that they want to roll back that subsidy for those that are on the Affordable Care Act. That is what this is about. And then they want to say, well, you know, this isn't the time to talk about it. Well, I can remember so many times where we were dealing with a shutdown and they decided to inject the issue of. say the debt ceiling and capping that off and not raising it and things like that.

And the final point that I'll make, Roland, is that these people are trashy and tacky and ridiculous because he's referencing that there was a continuing resolution done in March. Yes, they never passed in appropriation all of last year. And now we are at yet another deadline for a new appropriation and they can't get those past. These people cannot govern. I am tired of people giving them the benefit of the doubt and acting like they are serious. Take them as seriously as you take the president's tweets.

Absolutely. And again, they keep saying it. And then what got me was, he said, well, no, no, no. They literally presented to us a document. Okay, show us the document. Show us the document where it says, we want health care for undocumented people. No, they don't have a document to that effect.

And I want to be clear that this shutdown is going to impact everyone. It's going to impact our constituents and their constituents alike. But also the things that we're pushing for as Democrats, basics around health care. You know, this is the party allegedly that is pro-life, at least until the life clearly shows up and then they don't care. We are trying to do everything that we can to minimize the damage that has been caused by this administration as we are dealing with record unaffordability. Unaffordability that was absolutely avoidable because this is not where our economy was. It wasn't necessarily where people wanted it to be, but it is 10 times worse and we're not even a full nine months in. So we are trying to make it to where as people's others costs are increasing, whether it's their food, whether it's their rent, whether it's

it's the education for their children, we are trying to make it to where, at least when it comes to health care, those costs are not somehow slamming them against the wall when we know that they are already going to endure an increase because of the big, ugly bill. This is going to be yet another second setback for people, and we are trying to minimize the damage.

So this is what I keep getting. Do Democrats have the tenacity, the guts to hold out? Republicans are trying to blame them. They're trying to say it's all on Democrats. It's their fault. And so what is the messaging strategy to hammer this thing home as opposed to y'all getting blamed? Well, first of all, I don't do messaging strategy for the party.

But what I will tell you is that I have been very clear. The Republicans control the White House, the Senate, as well as the House. And effective leadership starts at the top. These are the words of the current president. He ain't saying it currently. But we know that Donald Trump historically said if there is a shutdown, you blame the president.

Well, I'm just asking his followers and mine to listen to his own words and go ahead and blame him. And we know that he's to blame because there was goodwill on behalf of the minority leadership. They were trying to meet with him. and he didn't feel like it was just that important. In addition to that, once they finally did have a meeting, he obviously did not take it seriously,

and he did not engage in good faith negotiations. In addition to that, we know that when we passed legislation, as soon as this guy came in, he impounded funds. He stopped sending money out that we had appropriated. So not only do you need to come to the table, but you need to tell us why we can be as sure, that once we get what it is that we're asking for, that you won't just go and violate the law and do whatever you want to do anyway, which is what he's been doing every since he's

been in office. So we have a long list of reasons not to give in, especially when you get nothing. Like, he's not who our voters voted for. That's not who elected those Democratic senators, the Democratic senators were elected by presumably Democrats and they were elected to do smart things. They were not elected to roll over like the entire Republican Party has done even to

the peril of their own constituents. One of the things that also I think is important and I'm citizens yesterday. Bishop William Barber always talks about this. He says that what's critical is showing impacted people showing those folks, hearing

from them, not just having political leaders talk. Your thoughts of that as well, because that way, when you have the children of government workers, the people... In sitcoms, when someone has a problem, they just blurt it out and move on.

Well, I lost my job and my parakeet is missing. How is your day? But the real world is different. Managing life's challenges can be overwhelming. So, what do we do? We get support. The Huntsman Mental Health Institute and the Ad Council have mental health resources

is available for you at loveyourmindtay.org. That's loveyourmindtay.org. See how much further you can go when you take care of your mental health. Who are directly impacted by a government shutdown, speaking about how this pains them, I think that's also effective for people to hear from those voices. No, that's absolutely right. There were a couple of press conferences that were held yesterday by the Democratic Caucus, because we've been here in D.C., ready to work.

And in those press conferences, definitely there were some voices of people that talked about the importance of, number one, health care. And I'm sure as we start to truly feel the impacts as it relates to federal workers, that some of those stories will absolutely come forward to. What we have found in polling, though, I will be perfectly honest,

is because of probably the demonization of so many federal workers for so long by the right that we don't end up getting as much sympathy for them as, in my opinion, we should. Instead, it's a matter of people are pretty much saying, you know what, how is this going to impact me? So when they're going through the airports, I think the stories of, you know, the fact that the lines are even longer, that their weights are longer, that flight delays are even worse, we know that the last time we were able to get out of a shutdown, which again was another Trump shutdown, it was because of air traffic controllers. Air traffic controllers said we out. And they were

the ones that single-handedly brought this thing to an end. Because now you've got corporations that are calling in to the president and talking about the amount of money that they're losing in commerce. You also have just passenger airlines that are calling in, talking about the amount of money that they're losing. And so honestly, the most powerful people, in my opinion, in this moment, are the air traffic controllers. We already know that we're down air traffic controllers anyway. We also know that we have an incompetent fool that is running the Department of Transportation in the first place. We are experiencing record delays as it is. So I do think that if, you know, industry speaks up and speaks up quickly and talks with their pockets, that we may be able to

get somewhere. Absolutely. That is crudely important. I got a panel here. They got quite one question each for you. So let me go to them. Rebecca Carruthers, President, CEO, Fair Election Center. Your question for Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett. Thank you, Congresswoman. What should ordinary everyday Americans be doing at this point in response to the

government shutdown? Yeah, so one of the things that I think is important kind of goes along with what Roland was just asking. I think they should be documenting their experience. is I always tell people that the power belongs to them. And so tell your own story. You don't have to wait on somebody else to call you and tell it. There's so many times that we've seen certain stories that really have touched people and have gone viral.

So I say document what you're going through, whether it is, you know, you need it to leave the country for an emergency of some sort and you're having issues that's relates to your passport or whether it's the fact that, you know, you miss a flight. because of what's going on, and now you missed out on, say, a job opportunity. Whatever your story is, or if you are a veteran and you're at the VA and you're not getting services like you need, definitely document this. And it is my hope that the morality of Americans, good Americans, good patriotic folk, speaks up and elevates a lot of these stories.

So I would say document. The other thing that I would say, it ain't really got that much to do with the shutdown, but in general about the economic situation they were in is continue to hold on to your dollars. Hold on to as many dollars as you can because unfortunately, every single thing that this administration is doing is really wreaking havoc on our economy, including the shutdown. Senator Offer and speak out of D.C. Randy, what's your question for the Congresswoman? Thank you so much for being here, Congressman Crockett. You spoke about how the air traffic controllers have a lot of power right now.

Are you or anyone else in communication with them? What are they saying? What is the union saying? Are they already speaking up? Yeah. So, funny thing, when you're effective, they decide to change the rules to the game. So they changed the rules after they were effective in basically, you know, bringing this thing to a halt and getting us back on track. So they are not allowed to do some of the things that they did last time.

We will see what happens. I don't know. But, you know, it's a very difficult line for me to walk as I talk about this. But I will tell you that we have already been down on air traffic controllers. And I would hate for us to end up in a situation in which we have even more air traffic controllers that we lose as a result of them, say, calling in or calling off, while it may bring the government back to the stance of open, we know that air traffic controllers, it takes a long time. It takes approximately a year to train an air traffic controller.

So I'm kind of nervous about us losing even more because we know that they rift some of them when they shouldn't have. So I have concerns, but I do want us—I am hoping that there are some federal workers they recognize their power and at some point brings something to a halt so that we can get out of this holding pattern that we're in

and get back to the business of the people. All right. Next up, Joy Cheney, founder, George Strategy is out of D.C. Joy? Hi, Congresswoman. So I'm a two-term alum of the Senate. I have not worked in the House, unfortunately.

But I do know that the only way this will work this shutdown effort will work is if Democrats stick together. Otherwise, you know, we'll fall apart and it will have been for nothing. Right now it feels worth the sacrifice, but we've got to stick the landing. I'm concerned about the Democratic Party and our ability to hold things together. We know Senate to Schumer lost three votes last night. What are you telling your Democratic colleagues about sticking together? And, you know, how is your voice carrying in those corridors of power?

Yeah, so I don't know that the Senate listens to a word that I have to say. You know, they are considered the upper chamber. So, you know, I don't know that they're necessarily listening to me. But one of the things that I actually proposed to a senator that I am close to prior to the shutdown was that we caucus together, that we have House Democrats and Senate Democrats come together. Most people would probably be surprised to find out that we don't actually do that at all. all, at least not since I've been in Congress. We've not come together as one caucus. So I am

hoping that we can come together and start to hear each other out and also strategize together. I think that, you know, having 200-something other Democrats in addition to, you know, the 40-something senators, I think it really could be impactful. And we know that in the House we only lost one Democrat when this vote came up so I am hoping that leadership is talking there was another member that actually brought up us coming together

and I think that if they can start to get to know us and hear our voices that it'll be a lot easier to stick together if there's a total of close to 260 Democrats between the chambers all right then well Congressman Crockett

it's a whole lot going on and we're going to stay on top of this as well a lot of people are going to be impacted by it and look at the end of the day stay strong stay firm because these folks here they want to control well they got it now they got to own it yeah thanks so much all right thanks a bunch folks a lot of people speaking out against this earlier today congresswoman quiesie and fumate had this to say about the government shutdown Thank you very much, Denny, and thanks to this entire delegation for staying together the way we do and for speaking out as we must. A couple of things. There's some deliberate redundancies here because the problem is very, very simple.

The problem is Donald Trump. I want to thank those federal workers who have come out from various unions who stand here with us. They are not here for form or fashion. They are here because they are patriots. They get up every day and put on their clothes and go into buildings and work to deliver services for Americans all over this country. And they don't ask, are you Democrat or Republican? They provide the service. the untold story. And to all those who claim now to have this Christian right movement, let me give you a quote that you should go back in review. It says when you have done it to the least of these, you have also done it unto me. And the least of these are federal workers who can't control this situation. The least of these are mothers who are trying to feed

babies now facing new cuts. The least of these are seniors who've given their lives to this country, many of whom have served in our armed forces. That's the least of these. Many are living paycheck to paycheck. So give me a break, Donald Trump, and Mr. Voight, and all the others who have this holier-than-thou attitude. We know what's best for you. No, you don't. You don't know what's best for these federal workers, and you sure as hell don't know what's best for a Maryland delegation. We will continue to fight you at every turn. in every instance and in every way. This is about the sort of thing that you read about

that you say can never happen in America. You want to see something? Senator Also, Brooks will confirm this. There's a big flag of Donald Trump hanging from the labor building. The labor building, a huge flag with his likeness on it. That's ego. That's being vindictive, and that's a number.

in-your-face kind of attitude. Now, the bottom line is that this was all avoidable. We know that, we have to keep saying that, because they make it seem like it was inevitable. It was avoidable. All it took was a willingness to discuss, to negotiate, to share thoughts and ideas, to get through this seven-week period with this resolution without hurting people in the process. But that was not enough. They wanted to find a way instead to stick it to Americans. And so it's a continuing resolution now that finds a way to increase many of the terrible experiences that people are having by increasing the pain. It wasn't that tough to be able to do three simple things. Stop the cuts, lower the cost, and save health care in this nation. It was just a seven-week

continuing resolution. But when you get on your horse, Donald Trump, and tell your compatriots, Mr. Speaker, that it's okay to go your own way, go have a holiday, go have a vacation, go to Kodell, do whatever you want to do. You don't have to worry about coming back to Washington. That was the message last week. So there was never any intention at all to try to find a way to work together. We want this government open, and we want Donald Trump and his minions to stop lying to the American public. This has nothing to do with illegal aliens. Nothing. There's already a federal law that prohibits anybody in this country that's an illegal alien to be able to take any claims onto monies and benefits. We know that. We know that, and Donald Trump knows it. We've got to find a way

asked today, good Americans, some of whom we will never meet. They are Democrats, they are Republicans, and they are independents, and they know right from wrong. They know when you impose an evil sort of wicked policy on people that hurts them. I mentioned women before who were trying to feed babies. When a baby cries at night, that baby is not crying in black or white or Latino. That baby is crying in black or white or Latino. That baby is crying in hunger. That baby is crying in pain. When senior citizens reached the point where they can no longer do anything except rely on their social security checks and Medicaid and Medicare, they're not doing that for form or fashion. They're doing it because of a solemn promise we made to all of them,

that as the greatest, wealthiest, most powerful, most influential nation on the face of the earth, that they would never have to worry about that. And yet they do worry about it. Last night, and they are worrying about it today. So I want to just thank this delegation for a stead-sast resistance to the foolishness that we see coming out of the White House and to ask decent Americans, no matter what your party affiliation,

no matter where you are in this country, put yourself in the roles of these people who are federal workers who are standing behind us. Put yourself in the role of those persons who are living paycheck to paycheck. Put yourself in the position of having an opportunity to make an influence and to change things. Call your representatives all over this country and tell them to do the right thing. Don't buy the hype because the hype is for fools.

I want to, if I might, bring forward somebody who needs no introduction, the chairman of the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, and one who has always stood strong. and steadfast against wrong in this country. So, folks, you see all those back and forth, and what's going on is that when you look at the polling, a lot of folks are not happy with anybody. A new peer research survey reveals widespread frustration

with Donald Trump and Congress. That's right. This new polling data comes out. Trump's approval rating stands at 40% with nearly 6 to 10 Americans saying they disapprove of the job he's doing more than half of the country is not happy with JD. 51% disapproved of the vice president.

Congressional leaders are not fairing any better. Speaker of the House of Mike Johnson, Republican, he's viewed unfavorably about 38%. Senate Majority Leader John Thune, 56%, actually no, 56% of Americans say they ain't never even heard of him. Democrats are increasingly critical of their own leaders. House Minority Leader Haukeem-Geoffrey, Senator-Marian leader Chuck Schumer, seeing rising disapproval. Schumer's favorability among Democrats has notably declined over the past year. Johnson Kelly, Director of Politics Research at Pee, who joins us right now.

I'd like to have you here. So, Jocelyn, what the hell is going on? Folks just pissing, everybody? Yeah, you know, voters, Americans have not been particularly happy with American leaders for a long time. And we're seeing it today, and this shutdown is happening against that backdrop. And some of it is because Americans haven't really seen Congress and our government work as well as they'd like it to for not.

just this moment, but for many years. Okay, so we always see this, but the reality is they're going to vote for somebody. And so, look, people complained about the presidency. They complained about Congress, but at the end of the day, they're going to vote. So what is the polling data showing? I mean, give us a sense deeper. You know, what are they looking for? What are they saying they want?

Yeah, well, one of the things we're really seeing, and you mentioned it, is that Democrats in particular, are expressing a lot of dissatisfaction with their own party. So Chuck Schumer's favorability ratings have gone down over the course of the last year. It's pretty amazing that Democrats are equally likely to have an unfavorable opinion of Schumer as a favorable one. That's really not what you usually see. You see that people tend to like the leaders in their own party, at least. And then when we ask a general question about whether you approve of, how Democratic leaders in Congress are doing, the approve of how Republican leaders in Congress

are doing. This is really the first time in our polling where a substantial majority of Democrats disapprove of Democratic congressional leaders. But to your question, it's not to say that Democrats like what the Republicans are doing. So there's just a lot of dissatisfaction on the Democratic side about their leadership heading into the shutdown, but not just about the events of the last couple of days. So, you know, some of what we're seeing is that Democrats want their leadership to do more to, you know, push back on the Trump administration. And I think that's sort of why we see where we are with the shutdown. So what I hear around the country, and so obviously I'm not polling all the folks y'all are, but I got a pretty good sense of

when I travel around the country. What I keep hearing people say is they want to see Democrats fight. Listen, Saturday night at the Correction on Black Caucus Foundation ALC dinner. They always introduce all of the CBC members. They introduced 61 the CBC members, of course,

Congressman Sylvester Turner passed away, so that position has yet to be filled because Texas Governor Greg Abbott refused to call a special election. So it would actually be 62. And out of... In sitcoms, when someone has a problem, they just blurt it out and move on.

Well, I lost my job and my parakeet is missing. How is your day? But the real world is different. Managing life's challenges can be overwhelming. So what do we do? We get support. The Huntsman Mental Health Institute and the Ad Council have mental health resources available for you at loveyourmindtay.org.

That's loveyourmindtay.org. See how much further you can go when you take care of your mental health. Every person who they mentioned that night, the loudest applause in that room was for Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett and what people say Black Pat did a poll and we told us point blank

that her approval numbers among African Americans almost unpared with former President Barack Obama and what I hear people saying is thank God somebody is fighting is that what your polling data is also showing and what Democrats are saying they want to see someone fighting and they don't believe

that Schumer and Jeffries are giving enough fight and taking it to the Republicans? Well, I don't think we quite can say that they don't believe that Schumer and Jeffries are not doing that. But over the course of this administration so far, we definitely have seen Democrats wanting Democratic leaders, Democratic Party to push back on the Trump administration. But it's not a universal attitude. So I think some of it is that you've got your Democrats who are more politically active,

that group in particular is wanting to see that fight. But there are some Democrats who are more moderate who maybe don't necessarily have that same view. But that's not unique to this moment. We saw it among Republicans during the Trump administration. There was a real, I mean, sorry, during the Biden administration, there was a real desire to push back on Biden, and it was particularly concentrated among the most politically active Republicans.

So, you know, we're definitely seeing it among Democrats, You know, we're seeing hints that Democrats are not happy. Certainly, you know, with Schumer or a sizable share of Democrats have been unhappy with Schumer. You know, Jeffrey's ratings are pretty much on par with how Republicans, for instance, view Johnson or how Republicans view Thune. So, Jeffrey's ratings are not particularly negative. A lot of Democrats actually aren't familiar with Hakeem Jeffries yet. So I think that's more of an open question. but Schumer is a more familiar character.

Gotcha. So can you compare in contrast the last time you're actually polled with these questions? Is it eroding further or has it gotten better? No, we asked about all of these leaders at the very beginning of this administration, and what we've seen is not a huge shift in attitudes, but pretty much everyone's viewed more negatively, including Trump, Vance, you know, Thune, Johnson, and both Democratic leaders are viewed more negatively than they were in February. But we also, for Schumer, for instance, we have attitudes going back several years from when he was majority later, for instance. And Democrats were a lot more positive about Schumer, you know, in 2024 and back in 2022.

So there really has been a change in attitudes about Schumer among Democrats over that period. Questions for my panel. Joy, your first. So, you know, what is the nature of African Americans and how do they relate to the party? Because, you know, I was just talking to someone today and they're like, we want all African Americans to vote, but we're not sure we want them to vote for Democrats.

You know, we're not seeing the Democratic Party, not that we want to vote for Trump, but that we're looking for a third way. And you can feel how you want to feel about that, but I no longer question people's feelings. It is what it is. What are you hearing about that? You know, there's just so much frustration with white liberals in particular, and white moderates in particular, they simply do not seem like allies to the African American community. What does your polling show about that? So, so as, as you know, our polling shows, what a lot of

other polling shows about 2024, that there was some erosion among African-Americans, Americans in support for Kamala Harris in 2024, and Trump did better among black voters than he had in 2020 and in 2016. So that, we see that, that real movement. We also pick up some dissatisfaction with the Democratic Party among black Democrats. To be honest, it's not more pronounced than other dissatisfaction among Democrats with the party. But I think you're certainly tapping into something real there that they're from various parts of the Democratic base, including and importantly, black voters, there are some dissatisfaction. Still, the vast majority of black adults, black voters either lean towards or support the Democratic Party.

That hasn't fundamentally changed in recent years, but there certainly is more dissatisfaction, I think, or, or, or some shift that we've picked up on in recent years. Rebecca. What analysis, what takeaway should federal elected officials, namely members of Congress, take from this polling? Yeah, well, from this polling, and I think some of our other polling, right, we've seen, so for instance, Congress's ratings overall, not just these individuals, but ratings about the institution are very very,

very unfavorable. They have been for some time, but that's not how they've always been. The public, when you ask them and they look at Congress, they don't see as much getting done as they'd like to see get done in Congress. And so I think that shows up when you ask about the particular leaders, you know, these four individuals and on the Democratic side, Jeffries and Schumer. But it's really also, you know, I think every time there's something, there's one of these shutdowns or the threat of a shutdown, to some extent that erodes Americans' satisfaction or views about government and what government can do and what government should do. So I think that's, I think, an important takeaway. And I think, as I say,

it shows up in the fact that every single one of these congressional leaders and also the president and the vice president are viewed more negatively than positively by the public. You know, that's, we're used to that now, but that wasn't always the case. And I think the question is, is there a way for, for these leaders to find a way through to a place where, where Americans actually don't, you know, reflexively have negative views of the people who lead the country? Randy? Who are these 41%? I'd love to know the 41% that, who are seeing Trump's presidency as favorable, or are looking at him in a favorable light.

What are the demographics on those people? Because I don't understand them. And I would just love to understand, you know, are they located in certain areas of the country or is there a particular age group? But I'd love to understand that 41%. Sure. I mean, they largely follow the demographics

of the group who put them in office in the first place, right? So they are older than, you know, as a general rule, they are older than other. Americans, but not across the board, sizable share of young people voted for Donald Trump. They're less likely to live in urban areas than people who voted for Harris. They really are the people who voted for Trump in 2024. We haven't seen that much erosion in his approval rating among the people who voted for him. A little bit young Trump voters are a little bit less likely to over.

approve of him than older Trump voters, but still, it's something like, you know, it's nearly 80% of young people who voted for him still have a positive view of him and his presidency. So a lot of the same dynamics that we saw in 2024. All right then. Well, Tocelyn, we surely appreciate you breaking this down for us. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Folks, all this government shut down stuff.

You want to see who was also just a massive liar. J.D. Vance, this is literally what he said today from the podium. It was so awful that MSNBC had to stop broadcasting to correct the lies. Listen. Democrats say that they care a lot about lowering health care costs, and yet, when the president took historic action to work with the drug companies to lower prescription drug prices, the Democrats did nothing to help us. In fact, we would have loved to have the Democrats helping us, but they didn't. They talk about doing something. They don't actually do the hard work of making it happen.

What they have done instead is to shut down the government because we won't give billions of dollars to health care funding for illegal aliens. That is what has actually happened. To the American people who are watching, the reason your government is shut down at this very minute is because, despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of congressional Republicans and even a few moderate Democrats supported opening the government, the Chuck Schumer AOC wing of the Democratic Party shut down the government because they said, us. We will open the government, but only if you give billions of dollars of funding for health care for illegal aliens. That's a ridiculous problem. He's lying. He's straight lying. Biden Harris and Democrats literally led on reducing drug prices. Trump comes in and reverses what they did. Not only that, but Republicans have the vote. If Republicans could get their caucus together

to actually vote to keep the government open is because they don't want to. And the reason why they don't want to, I know we keep referencing Project 2025. Project 2025 says, do a government shutdown so you can accelerate a reduction in force. So you can continue doing briefs. So you could continually shutting down government permanently,

not filling in back jobs, not backfilling jobs, but also to permanently reduce the number of federal workers. So this is part of their plan. And so while it's great MSNBC cut out, but I need every news media outlet to cut out and say, hey, this has been their plan all along. This is the plan that they're working off of. Yeah, I mean, it just, what you're seeing, Randy,

you're seeing the advancing of lies. And that's what right-wing media is going to do. They're going to advance the lie. Fox and Friends is going to advance a lie. Every show on Fox News, Newsmax, One America News, News Nation, they're going to all advance these lies to stand up Trump and the Republicans.

And we understand why they do it, right? Because it works. I mean, it won them an election. It made an insurrection sound like a day at the park. I mean, their lies work because their base does not question what they say. They follow these people blindly. And so they recognize that they can put something out there

and people will absolutely believe it. And so it's worked for them. And so what we have to do is continue to play not just defense but offense. We should know by now that they're going to lie. And so we should ensure that we're putting the right information out there as much as we can, although those people just look at one station, unfortunately, but still find ways to get everyone out there that is knowledgeable about what's really going on because they are going to lie.

That's guaranteed. Joy. Just to keep the facts out there, federal dollars in health care do not go to undocumented immigrants. So if they're saying that, they're lying to you. What we're trying to do, what Democrats are trying to do with is to make sure that the tax credits are extended, the ACA tax credits are extended, which you rely on whether you know them or know it or not, are extended so that your health care premiums will not go up.

if you do not have the tax credits and it's really unclear whether or not any change right now will make a difference next year because insurance companies are already setting their premiums. But what we're trying to avoid is what could be upwards of a 75% increase in your premiums.

So they don't, like Donald Trump has no interest in lowering costs, which is what he said he ran on. He's no interest in that. And it's also about restoring some of the cuts to Medicaid, which they did to fund tax breaks for billionaires. So billionaires over babies, billionaires over family, billionaires over life. That's what they did. So the Democrats are saying, you've got to come to the table.

And they are choosing not to. They are in the majority. We've said it before. A president, a House, a Senate. All right, then. Got to go to a break. We come back. We'll talk with the President of the National Medical Association

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every damn place, okay? Ooh, I'm an alpha, yay. All right, you're 58 years old. It's over. And you are now watching. Roland Martin, unfiltered, uncut, unplugged, and undam-believable. The Republican-backed bill to keep the government from remaining open failed. If Democrats continuously demanded an extension of Affordable Care Act tax credits.

Without it, millions of Americans could see their insurance premium skyrocket. Bill and Governor Westmore explained what the shutdown means for his state and others across the country. A prerequisite to keeping the government open should not be cutting people off of health care. A prerequisite for keeping the government open should not be forcing people to have their premiums jump. So on behalf of the six and a half million Marylanders, my message to President Trump is clear stop this shutdown you're the one causing it

we're the ones dealing with it Dr. Roger Mitchell, President of the National Medical Association joins us right now, glad to have you here first and foremost In sitcoms, when someone has a problem they just blurt it out and move on Well, I lost my job and my parakeet is missing How was your day? But the real world is different.

Managing life's challenges can be overwhelming. So what do we do? We get support. The Huntsman Mental Health Institute and the Ad Council have mental health resources available for you at loveyourmindtay.org. That's loveyourmindtay.org. See how much further you can go when you take care of your mental health. Looking at this, how do you see the impact on black health care professionals, which the NMA represents? Well, black health care professionals take care of black people.

the majority of who we take care of, particularly those that are in rural and urban spaces that are black are taken care of by our physicians. And so when you talk about individuals that may not have access to care because their insurance premiums go up or this HR1 has stripped them from Medicaid, then we put ourselves in a position to not be able to take care of those patients. And if we're not taking care of those patients, then we're not earning an income. One of the big things that we're seeing today, this shutdown can cause some real problems. And when you say those problems, lay them out. How start can this be? Well, at the end of the day, we're talking about this tax credit is for low and middle

income people who purchase health care insurance through the Affordable Care Act. These are individuals that we're talking about an estimated of 114 to 150% increase on average of out-of-pocket costs. For the average American, we're talking about over $1,000 in every year. The marketplace since 2014 has doubled. You're talking about 24 million people that are insured under this expansion. The majority of those individuals are poor and middle income. Now those individuals will have to make a choice on whether or not they're going to pay their premium and have health insurance, or if they do, then they're going to come out of pocket where they need those costs more. Maybe their housing, maybe their food, maybe their transportation.

No one is winning right now. People are losing their paychecks, even those that are that are furloughed. And so we're talking about individuals that are going to seek care in the emergency department when care is absolutely required. And that's the problem of going backwards. People that have insurance are going to access care through primary care mechanisms. but people that don't have insurance and don't have access to insurance are going to access their care through emergency departments. And so that means that the emergency departments are packed. The emergency departments have lines. And the emergency departments aren't just for those that are impacted by this insurance issue or this shutdown. It's going to impact individuals that have insurance, that are trying to use their insurance in the emergency department.

So those weights in the emergency department increase, not just because of what's going on with the shutdown, but what is also proposed in HR1. Explain for people payouts. We talk about Medicaid cuts. We talk about, I mean, you got Republicans like the senator from Mississippi saying, oh, Democrats are the reason rural hospitals are closing. Explain the people how this really works. Well, at the end of the day, Medicaid and Medicare, Medicaid is for those individuals that have a particular threshold to the poverty line. Medicare are for those that are older, over 65 years old. And so both of them are government subsidy. If we take Medicaid, Medicaid is subsidized in the

government through a federal match. When those federal matches are decrease, or individuals have work requirements that require them to show that they're working, even though the majority of individual on Medicaid are working. When there's now, instead of every one year, individuals on Medicaid have to show eligibility based upon this new proposed law, you have to provide that eligibility every six months. when we're talking about those individuals that have full coverage on Medicaid, this is going to put us in a position where that full coverage is decreased. So individuals won't have access to vision, won't have access to dental. And so the local government in communities pays a portion of a person's,

insurance, then the local government pays a portion and the federal government pays a portion. With this Medicaid rollback in HR1, as well as these subsidies being decreased through the reduction of the tax credit, more and more individuals will not have access to affordable insurance. Insurance is what pays the bills. And if you don't have have insurance and you have to pay cash and no one is paying cash for their health care. So what do you recommend folks do? I mean, what has to happen? Because at the end of the day, this thing is happening. Well, at the end of the day, we have an opportunity to push back on this. I see what the Democrats are doing. And again, the National Medical Association is a nonpartisan

organization. And like I said, there are nobody that's winning in this period of time when we're fighting this fight. We need to make sure that those tax credits are preserved, that they do not expire, so that those individuals that are low and middle income people can afford to purchase their health insurance without increased premiums. That's the first, right? So those politicians, Democrat, Republicans, it doesn't matter to us, need to focus on what is important for the American people. The other piece with HR1, at the end of the day, those work requirements need to go away, the risk to dual eligible, those that are poor and elderly, and the retroactive coverage reduction needs to go away.

There needs to be making sure that everyone has access to their vision and dental eligibility. This six-month eligibility needs to be back to one year because that is bureaucracy that is really going to remove individuals that are eligible. Roland, a lot of people think that there's a lot of conversation about individuals that shouldn't be on Medicaid are the ones that are being taken off Medicaid. When you have a six-month eligibility, individuals that can't keep up with their eligibility requirement are going to be purged from Medicaid, therefore creating an environment where those individuals that are eligible don't have access to their insurance. All of this is going to lead to overcrowding in safety net hospitals, whether it's a safety net hospital in rural communities or safety net hospitals in urban communities. What we can do is we have to, like you're doing, educating people, a lot of Americans don't even know about the rollback of this tax credit. So now we're educating people that the tax credit that they're enjoying when they're getting their insurance through the Affordable Care Act is at risk of their premiums go up. They can start asking more questions, calling their senators, and letting their senators know that they want their tax credit preserved.

And that's going to lead to better health outcomes in our communities. Questions from the panel. Randy, you first. how will this affect medication i mean will people be able to get their medication if they don't have insurance well that's that's the thing particularly in dual eligible people when we talk about dual eligible these are these are both that are on medicare and medicaid those individuals that are on medicaid uh and medicare at the same time most of the time they're using the Medicaid benefit for their prescription drugs.

So when we're rolling back access to affordable insurance and people have to make a choice between that insurance, then they're going to make choices that decrease their access to prescription drugs. And these are choices that we don't want our American people to have to make. We want to make sure that health care is, quite frankly, a human right, and people have access to that health insurance. Joy. Well, first of all, my mother is a 50-year-plus graduate of Howard Medical School, and we're so proud of you.

I want to know what the National Medical Association is doing to prepare their doctors to prepare their patients for what is likely a long haul where we're going to have work requirements. even many Democrats are supportive of work requirements. And it might be because there's a misunderstanding about them, but it is what it is, where we are going to have some tightening on who has eligibility. How do we make sure our communities and how do we have doctors who are the first line of defense?

How is the NMA preparing them to meet this moment and or working with civil rights organizations to help their communities meet this moment? So that's really good. I mean, we, first of all, we're educating our members, making sure that they understand the impacts of the current climate and the shutdown, as well as the future climate with HR1. That's the first thing, making sure that they're clear on what the impact is. The other piece is that we're asking all of our members to understand who in their patient population, in their patient pool, is going to be affected by this. That this shouldn't be something that is a surprise to them.

Most of our physicians know who is in their patient population and who is on Medicaid and who would be affected. That's the first thing. Who are they so that you can communicate with them those patients as to how they can get access to what most states are offering those that are being removed from Medicaid? They're offering the basic plan within ACA. Now, the basic plan within ACA is not as comprehensive as Medicaid. It's still at no cost, but it doesn't cover vision. It doesn't cover dental. There is modified behavioral medicine coverage, and it limits what you can use.

And actually, you cannot use the benefit for transportation that is non-emergent. That's huge. Medicaid, individuals that can't get to their appointments are getting Uber vouchers. They're getting bus vouchers so that they can get to their appointments because we know that transportation is extremely important to get to your appointments and make sure that you have proper health care. We want our members to be able to educate them how to get on that basic plan and then work with community to make sure that we fill the gaps.

One of the other innovative things that we're doing at the NMA is we're working within our AI Innovation Task Force to work through how we can develop an application that allows individuals to track their work requirement and track their eligibility in a predictive and energetic way using AI. So there are those things. And then we're also working with civil rights organizations like the NAACP, like the National Council, so of Negro women, to talk about how can we create volunteer efforts. One of the things that a lot of people don't know is that 80-hour work requirement a month can be filled with bona fide volunteer hours. So we have the ability to teach and have individuals volunteer roll out. A lot of this information as a health care educator that we might not be able to pay them,

but we can mark those volunteer hours so that those volunteer hours keep them eligible for their Medicaid requirement if indeed they don't have the W-2 or the 990 type of work that they can show to the government. Rebecca. My sister is a professor at McHerry and she spends time connecting with her students

about the political determinants of health and understanding that this isn't about partisanship, understanding how policy impacts health outcomes, especially in our communities. Can you make the connection between Medicare funding and funding for residency slots? So people understand that if there's cuts to Medicare, that those cuts impact both upstream and downstream? Well, thank you for that question. CMS or the Centers for Medicaid, they fund resident slots.

our resident slots, say, for Howard University Hospital, is funded through CMS. And so let me back up. When you go through medical school, I'm a physician, I'm a forensic pathologist. I went to medical school, and then after medical school, I have to do a residency. That's training in a specialty. Some individuals then do a subspecialty fellowship. All of that is paid for through the government. and then subsidized through that local hospital.

Well, when you have decreased available dollars in CMS in Medicare, particularly Medicare, then you have the potential to have decreased dollars within the residency slots. That's a big deal because our residents don't get paid a lot of dollars. They work very long hours and get paid low wages. And this is important as we try to create an environment of equity within our pay scale among our residents. One of the other things within HR1 that this kind of points to as well is the impact on health care workforce. That in HR1, graduate borrowers of graduate programs are limited to the amount of federal loans that they can actually borrow. $150,000 for professional programs when we know most medical schools are beyond $300,000.

Mine was closer to $200,000 in my loans. If I didn't have the opportunity to borrow money to be able to go to medical school, then I wouldn't have been able to go to medical school. And so those are the types of things that are in this bill that are in the work of some of these politicians, when you talk about political determinants of health, that lead to poor outcomes because we know that there are better outcomes for individuals who their physicians look like that, particularly black and brown individuals. Our patients do better with culturally competent care that's provided by individuals that look like them.

And when you don't have access to proper dollars through Medicare for residency programs, and when medical students can't borrow dollars, aren't coming from money that somebody can put up $100,000 for you to go to medical school, then this limits the outcomes of our patients. Our patients will die. I often say that I see failed policy on my autopsy table, and individuals will die if we're not extremely directed and intentional about our advocacy for these cuts to not take place, as well as for Medicaid to stay in place. All right.

Well, Doc, we certainly appreciate you joining us breaking all of this down, Dr. Mitchell, and hopefully people are more educated about the reality of health care in the country. No, I appreciate it. Thank you, Roland. Thanks a bunch, folks. We come back.

A white pastor in New Mexico speaks about Charlie Curt. And man, these white folks go crazy. Him calling out white Christian nationalism. We have that for you right here on Rollin Martin. Filtred on the Black Star Network. They said the quiet part out loud.

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So folks, we've been featuring a lot of these. preachers who've been making comments for the pulpit after the shooting death of Charlie Kirk. Well, I was on Instagram and I came across Brian Swave. He's a senior pastor, Refuge Church in Ogden, Utah, and the founder of St. Brendan's Classical Christian Academy,

the president of the New Christian Dome Press. On his podcast, so first of all, I'm not going to go to that one first. I'm going to say that. I'm going to say that one for tomorrow, because that's just a straight-up racist. I'm going to deal with him tomorrow. Okay? Let me deal with this one here. All right. So the Reverend Mike Engel, the rector

of Michael and All Angels Episcopal Church in Albuquerque, New Mexico, was condemning the racist rhetoric of Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA. So he was speaking from the pulpit, and he called him exactly what he said. People got really upset. Check this out. Political violence reared its ugly head yet again. I did not agree with Charlie Kirk on almost anything. I found many of the things that Charlie Kirk had to say

deeply troubling but Charlie Kirk did not deserve to become a victim of our gun violence epidemic and neither did the democratic lawmakers who were assassinated In sitcoms, when someone has a problem

they just blurt it out and move on well I lost my job and my parakeet is missing how was your day but the real world is different Managing life's challenges can be overwhelming. So, what do we do? We get support.

The Huntsman Mental Health Institute and the Ad Council have mental health resources available for you at loveyourmindtay.org. That's loveyourmindtay.org. See how much further you can go when you take care of your mental health. Earlier this summer in Minnesota, lawmakers in New Mexico didn't deserve to have their houses shot at.

We are living in a moment when political violence is becoming too common. Violence motivated by politics is dangerous. It is a tough cycle to escape. And there's a theological dimension to the state of our politics. Friends, we live in a world with a strong background theology.

And it's a theology of division, a theology content to sacrifice outsiders for the sake of insider groups. This background theology says that God blesses certain categories of people at the expense of others. This background theology tells us that God blesses America at the expense of other nations. God blesses Israel at the expense of Palestine. God blesses men at the expense of women. God blesses heterosexual marriage at the expense of LGBTQ plus rights.

God blesses Christians at the expense of Muslims. God blesses progressives at the expense of conservatives. Ooh. See, I switched it on you, didn't I? And that's because this background theology, it doesn't neatly align with one side or another in our divided country. Background theology is like background radiation.

It infects everything. The logic of our time, is not that different from the logic of Jesus' time. One of my favorite responses to the logic of our days, one of the best words of wisdom I know about defying the logic of your age comes from the poet Wendell Berry. It's from a poem called Manifesto, the mad farmer liberation front.

If you don't know it, I commend the whole poem to you. you, but I want to read just a few lines. Barry tells us when the world's logic is strong and violent, every day do something that won't compute. Love someone who does not deserve it. Denounce the government and embrace the flag, hope to live in that free republic for which it stands, invest in the millennium, plant sequoias, put your faith in the two inches of humus that will build under the trees every thousand years. Expect the end of the world, laugh. Laughter is immeasurable. Be joyful, though you have considered all the facts. As soon as the generals and politicos can predict the motions of your mind, lose it. Leave it as a sign to mark the

false trail the way you didn't go. Be like the fox who makes more tracks than necessary, some in the wrong direction. Practice resurrection. There's more to the poem, but you get the gist. lose your mind. Make no sense. When the logic of the world is pain, when the logic of the world is violence, be illogical. Traffic in the nonsense of the gospel. In love, in mercy, in searching out the lost. Jesus came to interrupt our whole system of sacrifice, our willingness to lose a few for the benefit of the many, Jesus' life, death, and resurrection is a judgment that says that to Jesus, no sheep, no citizen, no party, no country, no class of people is above any other. We don't sacrifice some to make life easier for others. To Jesus, everyone matters. Every single one.

Well, the right wing was not happy with what he had to say, and so he went back to the pulpit to tell his parishioners about the hate he received. A couple weeks ago in my sermon, I poked a bear. In the sermon two weeks ago, I mentioned that I did not agree with Charlie Kirk. I found much of Kirk's rhetoric deeply troubling, and I said, Charlie Kirk did not deserve to become a victim of America's gun violence epidemic. Now, in the congregation, I saw mostly nodding heads, a lot of agreement. It wasn't in the congregation that I poked to the bear.

The bear appeared when we posted a clip of that sermon online. Thousands of comments flooded in. For disagreeing with Charlie Kirk, I was accused of not knowing Christianity. of being a false prophet and worse. And I didn't respond to those comments with one exception. Because you see, someone online claimed that we were using fake candles.

AI generated. I could not let that stand. I wrote simply not fake, period. Beeswax, period. Call me a false prophet. all you want, but don't insult our aesthetics. I raised the question of the comments online, not to ask you to engage there,

not for your sympathy, and definitely not for you to go into TikTok and try to defend your preacher. Stay out of those comments, trust me. I share what happened online because I think it's a microcosm of our whole whole society right now. As much as I tried to disengage, the toxicity in our current discourse, especially in our online discourse, has been very present for me in recent days. I've done my best to laugh it off, to ignore it. But truthfully, our society's brokenness is on full display

every time we open our phones, isn't it? We all see it. We all feel it. We all feel it. So the question we need to ask today on our feast day is how does a person of faith respond? How does a person of faith? How does a Christian respond when the news is so bad? When it seems like the old dragon himself lives in the comment section, when simple disagreement is met with utter anger and violence, how do we sustain our faith? our hope. I think it helps to take a lesson from the angels. If Christianity is worth anything, if the stories we gather to tell are worth anything, it is because our faith comes as an interruption. If our faith, if our spirituality is good for anything, it is for interrupting the voices that are out there

sowing anger, division, and worse. Our faith is meant to be a beautiful interruption to all the ugliness, all the forces of darkness and pain. When the chorus of negativity is rising in our own minds, in the world around us, that is the moment to return to our stories, to return to our faith. That is the time to trust in divine interruption. See, it's very interesting, Rebecca, how these right-wringers just can't handle preachers who have not fallen for their white Christian nationalism. They hate the fact that these people are literally using scripture.

The pastor, we had yesterday, Pastor Deese breaking this whole thing down, the day before yesterday, I'm sorry, breaking this whole thing down. It's driving them crazy. They have been so used to dominating mainstream media with their right-wing Christianity that they can't handle. handle something different. You know, Roland, I think we could pull it back a bit. It's watching these white nationalists really trying to make other white people towed the line on white supremacy. In my opinion, that's what happened even with Jimmy Kimmel.

It was, hey, white man, don't you get on this TV condemning white supremacy? You need to stay in your place. And in my opinion, we saw the humiliation of him, even though he returned back to the airwaves. And I think as we're watching, we saw this a couple of weeks ago. specifically with black pastors. But it's interesting watching these white nationalists go after other white people in public and try to shame them and remind them,

hey, this whole white thing, you're a part of it too, you benefit from it too, you don't get to call this out. But ultimately, it's going to take white people like this minister to help destroy white supremacy because black folks, we can't destroy it. We didn't even it. It doesn't benefit us. But for those who it benefits, those people,

those white people need to stand up and they need to destroy white supremacy. You know, Randy, when I was on CNN, first of all, it's been 12 years since I left CNN. And let me tell you what always used to happen. I used to always debate Tony Perkins. And what was a trip to me

is that whenever Christianity came up, CNN would always have these white, right-wing, evangelicals on. And I would sit here and go, They don't own Jesus. They don't control that. And so I remember, I remember we were going at it. And I remember Obama and McCain had that form at the church of Rick Warren's church.

And Tony Perkins brought up Reverend Jeremiah Wright. And I said, oh, Tony, if you want to talk about the sermon on the Mount, if you want to talk about what Jesus preached, I said, we can go at it right now. I said, see, you can get somebody who actually knows the Bible better than you. And see, that's the problem. What mainstream media does, mainstream media, when we talk about Christianity and on the air, they will flood the zone with these right-wingers, but they won't have other preachers of the gospel of people who know the word on the air.

Right, because they don't want it to be where they're in any way challenged whatsoever. What has been interesting to me is to see how Christianity now equals white and how much is connected to whiteness. And there's nothing new. Of course, even the KKK used the Bible to support their violence and cruel behavior. So it's nothing new, but they know that is the way to make people feel justified in the terrible behavior that we're seeing right now. And what has shocked me is that we've always thought at the church to be a place that you find good, that you go for the word. And how many people have been scared to speak up. So I felt so I wanted to just clap, get a little happy, you know, do a little dance, put something in the collection plate to see this minister actually speak out against and tell the truth and speak about.

good and actually use scripture because that's rare because religion is very much being used and wielded as a weapon as a political weapon right now and it's quite disgusting um joy i just again when you watch these folks and they go on on and on um and you need to hear the counter and what we're doing is what no mainstream network is doing they are not showing any of these preachers who are speaking against the craziness that we heard from Charlie Kirk or from Turning Point. They are pushing out, I mean, CNN interviewed

one of these crazy conspiracy theorists and, oh, a friend of Charlie Kirk and presented him in this amazing manner. What was Posobiac, Jake, whatever's that, Jack, something like that? I mean, who was, I mean, he is a nutcase, but they presented him in this, like he was just this nice, wonderful guy. I think that's right.

And look, I mean, I have all kinds of things that we can say about our Caucasian friends on the right and the left. But the folks who are supporting Charlie Kirk are actually not the majority. And I think that we have continued to allow a minority voice, a group of people who are amplified and seem bigger than they are to take up our airwaves. And it's because mainstream media continues to feature those people under some false notion that you've got to have, you know, both sides. yeah, but you've got to also acknowledge when both sides are a fewer group of people. Most people, when they hear what Charlie Kirk said, when they really understand it, most people don't know who the hell Charlie Kirk was. But once you discover what he said, they don't agree with that.

They find it abhorrent. Just as they find abhorrent what happened to him, they find his words abhorrent. So we have to, like, I'm so proud because I've been thinking some of these white Christians, I'm like, what Bible? What version are y'all reading? But we have to not allow them to own Christianity and religion. We have to fight back on that. They don't have the corner on that. The reason we believe what we believe is also because of our faith. And we also need ministers to talk to each other. I'm glad they're talking to their parishioners, but oftentimes we see them reflecting the views of what's in their their community already. They're

congregation already. We're going to need more ministers challenging their congregation, knowing that they might get in some trouble, but using their relationship. And we know when that happened the last time, some of those folks lost their position, but it would be better to lose position than to be up there supporting false idols and leading your parishioners astray. We're going to need more conservative bases of ministers who are coming out and saying that's not what the Bible says let's talk about what it says that's their calling now

and we might need other ministers to do it so that's the next stage I'm glad they're talking to their congregation but we also need them to talk to other ministers and say what are you saying well it's a perfect example bar of Maga and these right wing

evangelicals boy they mad as hell at the Pope Pope Pope Leo he was asked this question about abortion and death penalty, and listen to what he says, and they are livid. I just wanted to ask one thing that has become a bit of a divisive subject in the U.S. right now with Cardinal Supich giving an award to Senator Durbin. Some people of faith are having a hard time with understanding this because he is pro,

or rather, he's for legalized abortion. How would you help people of faith right now, decipher that, feel about that, and how do you feel about that? I'm not terribly familiar with the particular case. I think that it's very important to look at the overall work that a senator has done during, if I'm not mistaken, 40 years of service in the United States Senate. I understand the difficulty and the tensions, but I think as I myself have spoken, the paper, it's important to look at many issues that are related to what is the teaching of the church. Someone who says I'm against abortion, but says I'm in favor of the death penalty, is not really pro-life. So someone who says that I'm against abortion, but I'm in agreement with the inhuman treatment of immigrants or in the United States.

I don't know if that's pro-life. So they're very complex issues. I don't know if anyone has all the truth on them, but I would add. ask first and foremost that there be greater respect for one another and that we search together both as human beings, in that case as American citizens or citizens of the state of Illinois, as well as Catholics to say we need to, you know, really look closely at all of these ethical issues and to find the way forward as church. Church teaching on each one of those issues is very clear. Thank you very much. He said the church's teaching on this is very clear. See,

wingers love the Catholic Church position on abortion but they don't like the Catholic Church position on the death penalty. Here we go to my iPad. Robbie Starbuck, right-wing white Latino. Pope after Pope has been

a disappointing profile in cowardice who I just can't look to as a leader. If Robert Sarah was Pope, this would not happen. Many would come back to the church then. Leo sounds like another Francis. Oh, Robbie. Robbie, are you upset that the Pope is speaking truth, is not kissing y'all right-wing butt?

Oh, here's the racist Matt Walsh, absolute racist. Really terrible answer from Pope Leo. God himself prescribes the death penalty in the Bible. Is the Pope saying that God is not pro-life? And who exactly is advocating for inhumane treatment of immigrants? What sort of inhumane treatment is referring to? Deportations? Really, Matt, are you really that stupid?

Like, are you really that stupid? We know exactly the inhumane treatment. But they are just upset. In sitcoms, when someone has a problem, they just blurt it out and move on. Well, I lost my job and my parakeet is missing. How is your day? But the real world is different. Managing life's challenges can be overwhelming.

so what do we do we get support the huntsman mental health institute and the ad council have mental health resources available for you at loveyourmind today.org that's love your mind today.org see how much further you can go when you take care of your mental health. Because they just can't handle it. They are commenting left and right and boy look at this. I disagree with this holiness about the death penalty but its overall point by the necessity of human treatment of people. the caring for the temporal as well as the spiritual needs are also necessary for truly profiled look okay got it uh look at this here it's only since 2018 that the church took an official stand against death penalty many Catholics just won't agree it isn't what they were taught as young Catholics since it before that 1973 pro life was understood it's about treating life with dignity from conception to death first of all terry ann's a stupid idiot you know what terryan

stupid because what terry ann doesn't even understand is that the s bc the southern baptist Convention. You know what, let me just go ahead and pull this up since, you know, they don't, because they just dumb. Let's see. Southern Baptist Convention. Do, do, do, do. And pro-choice. Let's see here. Hmm. Hmm.

Look at this piece right here. Well, does Southern Baptist Convention ever pro-choice? Hmm. Let's see right here. If you look at their history, in 1971, the Southern Baptist Convention passed the first of four resolutions that most would consider pro-choice today. Oh, the same people who they say were always that way.

This was 1971. See, what y'all got to understand is this here? That's a priest who was actually on Instagram, I'm going to play that too, where he broke down the history. Because see, the history is the Southern Baptist Convention, they used racism in the segregation academies to get white people to support their plans. Well, then when the Nixon folks outlawed segregation academies, and then the races in the SBC could not figure out how to get white people to vote their way. So Paul Weyrick, what happened was they saw this one election when the issue of abortion was on the ballot. And all of a sudden, they then began to adopt that language. And even Jerry Fall will later say they never really focus on the issue of abortion.

And all of a sudden, that became the main thing, the more majority. So it was actually racism. They could not use straight out bigotry to get the white folks to vote. So they flipped to the issue of abortion. So these people who are commenting on Pope Leo, they're liars because they didn't understand the actual history. Okay? So all the MAGA people are upset. All the MAGA people are freaking out.

All the MAGA people just cannot help themselves. They're just like what's going on. What is Pope Leo doing? It's because he's right. They're not pro-life. See, you can't be pro-life and you want to cut food. You can't be pro-life when we want to see that. That's money for the homeless.

So we start talking about what Jesus actually preached. that's literally against the MAG agenda. See, y'all might remember a couple of years ago when I had a pro-life or really an anti-abortion black Republican in my studio and this happened? Rees is not doing in Mississippi.

And so what I'm saying is this here. No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is this here. When I listen to Republicans talk about being pro-life, what I want to know is where there are pro-life stances when they come to Head Start.

Where are their pro-life stances No, no, no, no, when it comes to prenatal care. Where are there pro-life stances where you have black women who have a high rate of dying in childbirth? Where are your pro-life policies when it comes to black children, when it comes to infant mortality? What I'm saying is when you are a Republican in the state of Mississippi and you push a law at the Supreme Court overturns Roe v.

Wade, and you are ill-prepared to handle the 5,000 new babies maybe because the money that you could care for the poor went to Britford. And all I want to see is the governor of Mississippi, who's opposing Medicaid expansion, seeing rural hospitals shut down in his state, and you've got white women and black women who are dying, and Republicans control the legislature. They control the governor's mansion, so don't tell me they are pro-life when they are unwilling to accept Medicaid expansion,

but then they say we don't want to accept money from the federal government when they send $1 to the federal government, and they get $4 back. When you look at this concept, what you're saying to me right now is that because you believe that Republicans are not supporting pro-living, I disagree. I look at the Republican support for community health centers. I look at the Republicans trying to. Where? Everywhere rolling.

South Carolina. North Carolina. North Carolina. Tennessee, Georgia, Arkansas, Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Alabama. They all are against Medicaid expansion and Rool hospitals Are you telling me

Are you literally telling me that rural hospitals in Mississippi Alabama, Texas, Arkansas, Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina are not shutting down? Are you actually telling me that? I am not telling you that. So therefore, if they're shutting down,

how then are the people able to get get care. How? Roland, I'm, what I'm saying is that there are, when we talk about aborting babies, like, so you're saying to me that because we, we support life, actually giving babies the opportunity to live, I'm confused. I'm confused. First of all, you know, hold on, hold on, you're confused because you think I'm saying something that I'm not. Well, tell me what you're saying. No, what I'm telling you, I'm being very clear. You cannot say you are pro-life when you vote against prenatal care for the mother. You cannot say you are pro-life when you vote against Head Start.

You cannot say you are pro-life when you do not want to expand Medicaid to keep hospitals open. You cannot say you are pro-life when you have OBGYNs who are not available in your state. You cannot say you are pro-life when you have black women who are dying at a higher rate during childbirth, and you do nothing public policy-wise to fix it. You cannot say you are pro-life if you allow infant mortality rates to be sky-high in areas with that black and brown people.

What that tells me is you are anti-abortion, you are not pro-life. Because if you are pro-life, you care about the child in the womb and when the child is out. And if you are pro-life, you are standing dead with black folks when their kids are killed by cops.

You have not silent. So if you are pro-life, be pro-life from the womb. to the tomb, but not just in the mood. And that's how we got this meme. Merica Savage, had that look on her face. That's how we got this meme. So, Rebecca, they're so mad.

But Pope Leo is correct. You cannot continue to yell and scream that you are pro-life when the policies that you support are not advantage. life. People die in this country because of food insecurity. People die in this country because they are homeless. People die in this country because of lack of access to health care. And these same right-wingers just love themselves some death penalty, but they're real quiet when black folks are being unarmed black people being shot and killed. No, they are anti-abortion.

They are not pro-life. Pope Leo is 100% correct. Roland, I love facts. And the reason why I love facts is women have been having abortion since the beginning of time. Catholicism has only been around for roughly 2,000-ish years. And of that nearly 2,000-ish years, it wasn't until 1983 where the Catholic Church actually put into canon, put into Catholic law, that you could be excommunicated for procuring or having an abortion. So you mean to tell me for nearly 2,000 years in the Catholic Church, you weren't excommunicated

because you got an abortion, but now in 1983, all of a sudden, oops, we forgot about that the last 2,000 years. So all these people who are talking online, they clearly don't know what they're talking about, but also, quite frankly, according to their own Bible, they're going to hell anyway, because first John says you can't have hate in your heart. So for all these people expousing hate, that means you can't love God. If you can't love God, you ain't going to heaven. So I guess enjoy hell. Joy? I mean, I couldn't say it better. I mean, The fact of the matter is, as I said earlier, I don't know what version.

I mean, the rest of us are reading a different Bible, right? I don't know. They had the Charlie Kankirk version. I really don't know. These things, the things that they are advocating are against God as it has presented to us in the Christian Bible that they say that they believe in. Pope Leo is the head of the Catholic Church. He has spoken. we hear him frankly it's the thing that the last pope said about how you treat immigrants it's the thing

that pope said before then how you treat the stranger how you treat the least of these Pope Leo is bringing a new voice but frankly you know we've been saying for a long time that when you are pro-life, you've got to be pro the entire life. It's not just how you treat women and children. It's how you treat the elderly. The cuts that the Republicans are making are also going to hurt Medicare. The government shutdown might interrupt, delay, and certainly confuse and scare a lot of people who are in Social Security. When you care about life, you care about the entire life of the person.

Otherwise, we have to call you out on your bullshit. It is not only our right to do so, it is our duty to do so. And anyone who's, you know, that's why people sometimes walk away from the church because they see so much hypocrisy. That is what we're seeing now. And frankly, one good thing about Donald Trump is I think he's going to bring a lot of people back in alignment with their faith and their values, whether it's Christianity or whatever religion or even just a humanist.

You don't believe in God, but you believe in the importance of the human race. I think it's going to bring people back into their value. I'm not buying. I'm not buying. He's going to do that because I think these right wingers, they are celebrating a Jesus that really don't exist, Randy.

But I think it's important we use that language. No, no, no, but my point is these right wingers, they, again, they are celebrating white Christians. nationalism, Randy, they ain't celebrating the Jesus that we know to be true. They absolutely are not celebrating Jesus. I don't believe it's possible to be a white supremacist and celebrate Jesus at the same time. They conflict.

They completely conflict because Jesus was about accepting and loving all people. And as we have all said on the panel, these people are filled with hate. And everything that they do seems to be oppressing others, not loving others, casting out everyone that is different from them. different from them. So you cannot only celebrate one type of person, namely white people, and then call yourself a kin or loving or respectful of Jesus. The two cannot coexist. White supremacy and a love of Jesus and his principles are completely opposite from each other and cannot coexist. And they're not using, I don't even believe that they believe what they're saying. I believe, again, that they're using it as a tool to manipulate people. They know when they

mention the Bible or Jesus or love that people will listen and that's all they want people to do is listen and follow their dogma and agenda and they're actually shocked and appalled when someone like the Pope like Pope Leo actually

is seriously about Christianity and is speaking the word of the Bible they don't want that from him. They just want him to speak like you said, Christian nationalism that they want. Well I love how Matt Walsh his hand goes well, God favor of the death penalty, it's in the Bible.

And so when I saw that, I immediately thought about this scene from the West Wing when President Jed Bartlett actually raised those questions. Watch. I call myself Gary with a G. How's what you spell Gary? No other way. I'm saying that's what I call myself. Gary with a G talking to you on K-A-D-R-A-N.

Black-Lizer with a Z. Exactly. Okay, hokey, maybe so. But I have 900,000 listeners in the Rocky Mountain region. Would you excuse me? Excuse me, ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, the President of the United States. Thank you very much. Thanks a lot.

I wish I could spend more than a few minutes with you, but the polls don't close in the east for another hour. There are plenty of election results still left to falsify. You know, with so many people participating in the political and social debate through call-in shows, it's a good idea to be reminded every once in a while. It's a good idea to be reminded of the awesome impact. The awesome impact. I'm sorry. You're Dr. Jenna Jacobs, right?

Yes, sir. It's good to have you here. Thank you. the awesome impact of the airwaves and how that translates into the furthering of our national discussions, but obviously also how it can, how it can... Forgive me, Dr. Jacobs. Are you an M.D.? A Ph.D. A Ph.D. Yes, sir. In psychology? No, sir.

Theology? No. Social work? I have a Ph.D. in English literature. I'm asking, because on your show... People call in for advice, and you go by the name, Dr. Jacobs, on your show, and I didn't know if maybe your listeners were confused by that and assumed you had advanced training in psychology, theology, or health care. I don't believe they are confused, no, sir. Good. I like your show. I like how you call homosexuality an abomination. I don't say homosexuality is an abomination, Mr. President. The Bible does. Yes, it does. Libeticus.

Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21-7. She's a Georgetown sophomore speaks fluent Italian and always cleared the table when it was her turned. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My chief of staff, Leo McGarry, insist on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 352 clearly says he should be put to Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important, because we've got a lot of sports fans in this town. Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean. Leviticus 117. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point?

Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother John for planting different crops side by side? can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threats? Think about those questions, would you? One last thing. While you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the ignorant, tight-ass club in this building when the president stands, nobody sits.

Wait? Oh, I love that scene. Why is that important? Because see, when these right-week evangelicals say, well, God said this in the Bible, yes, but the Bible also said all the things that he just said there as well. So how do they respond to that? Do they say, oh, that's the Old Testament? Jesus came in the New Testament.

Well, then what? The Bible also says that Jesus came to affirm the Old Testament. See, this is where they get so confused. This is what they cannot stand. You see, they love to bring these things up, but they can't stand being challenged on these very things. That's why I'm always going to call them out. You cannot say that, oh, I believe that everybody should

accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Okay, so if you put someone to death, then they never have an opportunity to actually accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. So don't you think if they continue to live, even if they are locked up in prison for the rest of their lives, that they have an opportunity to actually do that so they will never have to, in the afterlife, be damned because they can't be accepted into heaven. Am I correct on the scripture there, folks? See, this is the problem with these right-winger

that they don't want to deal with. See, what they want to be is they want to be vengeful but also hateful. See, again, they want to be anti-abortion because they just absolutely believe in the fetus in the womb. But when that baby is born, then what? What about a head start?

What about prenatal care while that mother is actually caring that child to turn? What about proper health care? What about proper environmental laws? See, it's amazing how they are against the very things that actually impact life. Do they care about those with asthma? Do they care about environmental racism? Oh, I'm sorry, they don't believe. In sitcoms, when someone has a problem, they just blur.

it out and move on. Well, I lost my job and my parakeet is missing. How is your day? But the real world is different. Managing life's challenges can be overwhelming. So what do we do? We get support. The Huntsman Mental Health Institute and the Ad Council have mental health resources

available for you at loveyourmindtay.org. That's loveyourmindtay.org. See how much further you can go when you take care of your mental health. Even climate change. Yesterday, we just had the most... We're in the Secretary of Defense, sit up and say, yeah, we're not going to have all this stuff anymore in the Department of Defense dealing with climate change. Really. But you care about life.

So when you see more storms, more violent, more destructive, killing more people, do those lives matter? And see, then when we say black lives matter, they go, all lives matter. What if all lives matter? How then can you say you support the death penalty? What they can't stand is the consistency of Pope Leo. See, Maga loves that New York Cardinal Dolan praised Charlie Kirk and said he was a saint. But the rhetoric that he uttered, really Dolan? Or are you simply a maggot, a right-wing American cardinal?

See, that's why they hate Pope Leo. is why they hated Pope Francis, but they can't stand a spiritual leader who challenges them on their faulty spirituality. Gonna go to a break. We come back. Maga is really mad

because Bad Bunny is going to be performing the Super Bowl. Oh my God, it's going to drive them crazy. Back in a moment. Next on the Black Table with me, Greg Carr. An hour of living history with Dr. Richard Mariba Kelsey, thinker, builder, author, and one of the most important and impactful elders in the African-American community.

He reflects on his full and rich life and shares his incomparable wisdom about our past, present, and future. African genius is saying that my uncle was a genius, my brother was a genius, my neighbor was a genius. I think we ought to drill that in ourselves. and move ahead rather than believing that I got it. That's next on the Black Table, here on the Black Star Network. This week on the other side of change. Early Kirk, gun violence in America, and how the nation has responded in the week since.

In many ways, it's become very, very toxic, a witch hunt, really attacking anyone who's not mourning this man. What we're seeing right now is the weaponization of selective compassion and people who so often don't say anything about the crisis of gun violence. We're going to dig into all of it, what this means for the state of gun violence and the state of free speech.

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Well, there it is. It's official. Puerto Rico's finest bad. to lose their mind, y'all. The NFL announces that Bad Bunny is going to perform at halftime of the Super Bowl, and these white people are losing it. They have been yelling, cussing,

screaming, oh, my God, I'm not going to watch the halftime. This is shameful. Turning Point, USA, needs to have a counter. What if we had a group of Christian artists who's saying at halftime? This man is the devil.

His man doesn't like ice. You had this one white woman. She's like, I've never heard of him. Like, half a wing never heard of you. The man got 5 million Twitter followers. Her trifling ass don't even have 100,000. Y'all, Bad Bunny has won three Grammys. Has more than 100 billion streams.

has the most played album on Spotify. He has a global reach. He's a reggaeton singer. Okay, has sold out across the world. But Lord, MAGA don't know what to do because a Spanish-speaking artist who has openly challenged Donald Trump's immigration policies is going to perform at halftime.

Then they're saying how dare he is not an American. He's Puerto Rican. It's a U.S. territory. Rosa Clemente, doctoral student at W.B. Dubois, Department of African-American Studies at UMass Amherst. She joins us right now. Rosa, Lord have mercy. More maga fools have found Puerto Rico on the map in the last 48 hours.

Since the NFL made this announcement, these people are losing their mind. I mean, yeah, it's crazy to the point where I had to cut off family members that were anti-Black, even though Bad Bunny doesn't identify as anti-Black. You know, I think the biggest issue is that most people don't know why Puerto Ricans are American citizens. That was forced upon my. ancestors in 1917 where they were just like, you know what, everybody's now in Puerto Rico,

an American citizen, and that was to recruit more men to the World War I, you know. And I think Magus, it's interesting because there's been other artists that have been on that stage with mixing Spanish and English. And what Bad Bunny is doing is what we call us in the 70s to right now, particularly in New York City, particularly in the Bronx, is just like that's what we do already. You know, we rep our country. And the reason we rep it the way we do is because we are still a colony of the United States of America. And that bunny has awakened the consciousness of an entire generation.

Crazy, Rosa. I mean, first of all, I found this video here. I got to admit, it's highly laughing. Watch. That bad bunny, whatever his name is, bad bunny, bad, I don't even know who the man is. I don't know. All I know is from political thing that he support Democrats and that he's anti-Trump, right? And that's apparently where the NFL is going.

So I won't be watching the Super Bowl this year, which I've been to football. Sports has got really dull for me. Like, I'm done watching a lot of sports because it's got too political, right? Like, all the great people that could have headlined the Super Bowl. It used to be people with actual talent. And it's not some do who I don't even have a global or national. No, like, nobody knows who he is. Like, I mean, people know who he is for the wrong reasons.

That he attacks ICE every chance he gets. He attacks Trumps every chance he gets. He attacked Trump supporters every chance he gets. And so half the country don't like him. Half the country don't like him. So half the country probably won't be. watching the halftime show. And so it's just, they didn't feel all

to be ashamed of themselves. They become extremely political. He's feminized. I think he's, I don't know if he gay. I had to sit here. First of all, brother, why don't you learn how to look at the camera when your ass talking? How can you start right there?

Two, ain't nobody ever heard of your ass. And then he said, this guy's not global or national. Damn, does Google not work? And then I love his ear. So sports has just gotten too political. Oh, but y'all didn't mind those moment of silences for Charlie Kurt at the Green Bay Packers game and the Dallas Cowboys game. They don't mind the politicians showing up in the sweeps of the owners.

They don't mind the owners who actually give money to MAGA, but they say bad bunny too political. Well, I mean, isn't it fascinating the political commentators on the liberal white folks? Because I'm like, I already know what the right is doing, right? It's not even standing up to protect their own. citizens in this country. Bad Bunny's residency was historical,

but there's a lot that's being left out. First, he chose not to come to the United States because he was scared that all the Latinos, unlike with Puerto Ricas, which rolling, you know, mad people still don't even understand that Puerto Ricans are American citizens, right? So for him to come out and be like, out and be like, you know what? I'm repping Spanish. I'm repping hip-hop. I'm referring

referencing, um, um, Rhegaton, right? And, um, that's what they're scared of, obviously. Also, what Bad Bunny has done is really awaken an entire new generation of consciousness post-Hurricane Irma and Hurricane Maria. But there's also a reason why, Roland. I think you might, this might be your next question about the military. occupation of Puerto Rico right now. No, no, no, no, I got another fool to show. I mean, I just, I'm just having a ball, y'all. Watch this here. Do you wonder why the NFL hates its customers? I don't understand. I do understand. They think they're too big to fail. So they've adopted woke and they refuse to let it go as evidenced by the halftime show. They're

together. Well, Jay-Z is, well, I'm like, that's Jay-Z a whole other video by itself. However, the definition of stupid, if you have a business, is to do things to make the majority of your business hate your business. But the NFL has done a great job over the decades. of making themselves into a brand that they feel like it's too big and they can do whatever the hell they want to do. Y'all, first of all, this is an eight-minute video.

I'm not playing all of it because he's too stupid. And see, these MAGA people, you know, they were so pissed off last year with Kendrick Lamar performing and they were just upset. And they're just kind of like, oh my God, this is just too black. What are they doing? They're running off their audience, and then they were just like, this is just too much, and I don't know what we should do, and no one's going to watch.

And I don't, I don't, no, no, no, no, go to my iPad, Kendrick Lamar's 2025 Super Bowl halftime show is now the most watched of all time. 133.5 million viewers, drawing a larger, wait a minute, drawing a larger audience than the Super Bowl itself. See, Rosa, this is what white MAGA and these individuals, I call them the help, these black-faced maggots, don't understand. The Super Bowl, hold on, Rose, hold on, hold on. The Super Bowl is not solely a United States game.

The NFL is trying to be global. They played a game in Belfast, Ireland. They're playing games in London. These idiots don't even understand the Spanish-speaking population of the world. And so, hello, they ain't just focusing on some white hicks in the South. They're trying to be global. Go ahead. I mean, that's what it is.

It's not we're trying. We are global. And what Banning is representing Benito, Bad Bunny's representing, it's just not like the colony. of the United States, Puerto Rico. There's a reason why he's a number one global star. There's a reason why, when you see reports from the extinction, genocide of what's happening

to a Palestinian brother-sisters, they are referring to his song. The song literally means, like, I don't want them to do to Puerto Rico what they did to Hawaii. And I think part of it, too, Rowland, is like, there's a lot of people that just don't understand.

how Puerto Rican people became U.S. citizens. And that happened, and the United States needed more soldiers. But the most important contemporary thing that we can see right now is in Puerto Rico right now, while Bad Bunny was doing his show. 90 miles away, Arroyo Puerto Rico, we have two ships, naval marine offices, 4,500, and every day there are military exercises. Why? Because that's why they made Puerto Rico a colony.

It gives the United States a strategic way to get to the rest of Latin America. And today, Maduro, the president of Venezuela, we all have our understanding or angry with him, but we know when they go to invade Venezuela and lie about the last, eight people they killed citizens, is they need Puerto Rico to go do that work.

Right, I'm sorry. But the same thing is we're celebrating Bad Bunny and we also want to highlight what a colony looks like, but also that because of Bad Bunny and a lot of folks, Puerto Rico is going to be free a lot sooner that I ever thought it was going to be free. Right. Rebecca, I saw this tweet from Eric Erickson that I thought was laughable.

he said, the Super Bowl halftime has been awful for the last several years. Rebecca, it's only gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. So I'm like, I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? And see, Rebecca, what they really want? They're like, why can't Jason Aldeen perform? Why can't we? Because guess what?

Because ain't nobody trying to watch Jason Aldean perform at halftime. Sorry, I remember. I forgot, the Super Bowl I went to, I think it was in Miami. It was when the Saints played the Colts. I think the Who performed, God, that was boring. Rebecca, your thoughts. Well, thank you so much. What I'm really hoping that Bad Bunny does,

like it would be incredible if he does a show live from Puerto Rico, but understanding that he'll probably do it like. Oh, hell, no, no, he's going to be in Santa Clara. Let's be real clear. He's going to be in a stadium. He's going to be in Santa Clara, California. Rebecca, go ahead. But symbolically, I hope he brings Puerto Rico

to California and I hope he really digs into the indigenous culture of Puerto Rico because a lot of people assume oh because of Spanish speakers that there is some connection to Spain but I really want to see the indigenous roots I hope every I hope his entire performance is not in English and I'm very excited about it and I appreciate people like Taylor Swift who made it know hey I'm not going to be performing at this next halftime show no offense to Taylor but we want to see the people Like, we don't need to see The Who. We don't need to see Wonderbred artists right now. We actually need to see artists that embrace the multiculturalism of our country.

Well, first of all, here's the deal. Rosa, I mean, I don't care if Taylor Swift performs. I don't find, they just, they're just angry because you don't have right wingers. Listen, Maga would love for Lee Greenwood to bore us to death at halftime. Well, look, first he's doing the whole show in Spanish, but he's also doing it in what we call Spanglish. And I also think people in this country are not aware that like 7 million, 70 million Hispanics, Latino folks are in this country and how half of them alone don't speak Spanish

just around colonialism, right? So I'm happy he's going to do that. As someone that doesn't like football, a brutal sport, I understand. the influence what Kendrick did last year, what Puerto Rico is doing right now. And it goes back again to the fact that, listen, in 2019, where protests and demonstrations were building, started with La Collective Feminista, the Feminist Collective, to oust, the governor, Ricardo Jose Joe, and his entire administration, because there was 889 text sent about folks that were LGBT-Qaeda, and then also, like, Carmen Yula and Cruz,

that was not the governor, I mean, the mayor at that time. So, you know what, Roland, you know where we're at, right? I mean, these folks are coming out there, whether we're black or brown. It's not going to make a difference if any of us are like, oh, I'm a black Puerto Rico, no, I'm ta'ino. And these are good things, but if you don't have the policies, you're not going to understand that. also think, look, he's being who he is. Right. I mean, that song, when you listen to it, it reminds me, honestly, of when I've watched

documentaries of Africans in the United States America that were trying to flee slavery and the songs, the lament, the thing at the end. I'm like, nobody's done that. And he, he is like, every young person who's a Borico from 1 to 40 in this world, they're looking at everything he's doing as a political statement. Hey, Joy, I remember Joy 2003. Beyonce performed with, she performed in with Bruno Mars. And remember this here? Just pull the audio down. But, ooh, Maga lost their mind because all these black women had these berets on and they were like, oh my God, she's paying. In sitcoms, when someone has a problem, they just blurt it out and move on.

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They want wonder, bread, and milk at halftime. That is right. Their artists are boring. Nobody is going, is wanting to see them at the Super Bowl. If the NFL thought that it was in their financial and cultural interest to feature, you know, some of the artists that you were laughingly mentioning a few minutes ago that, hell, I don't even know, they would have done it. They're picturing Bad Bunny

because Bad Bunny is who people want to see. The NFL also is trying to be an international audience. I think you alluded to this earlier. They're not just trying to stay here at the United States, right? So they're trying to appeal to the entire world, playing games overseas, et cetera.

So that is also happening here. They're saying that we embrace a multiculturalism that is already here. The NFL is lagging. They're not in. front. These folks are already here. We've seen it with all the artists and white people are watching and listening to these artists as well. This is not just about people of color because we know they don't give a damn about us either. This is about their, the constellation of people

watch these games, want to see bad bunny. And I hope he brings it. And because he is politically and culturally and socially aware, we can expect that there's going to be some undercurrent here, going to not just be about music, but it's also going to be about transforming in a critical election. And since I love that you said that because Roland, I don't know if you know. Real quick, real quick. Okay, so I don't know if you know. So last night, a bad bunny song from 2020 was released on SoundCloud where he's straight being

like, the police are killing black people, we miss Kobe, and there's white young men massacring people, right? So, like, right now, from what I'm hearing from folks, I know at those levels, they're saying the NFL might be rethinking of even having him because of a song that we would see for any hip-hop artists that was political and black. We would see it from Taliban and dead press and all the amazing, like, more political rappers. And it came out and somebody just dropped that. I had never heard it. But once I heard it, I was like, oh, yo, Borikos, look, right here, right here, we had a whole different level right now. they're trying to erase us because

their launching path to invade Venezuela is here and I guarantee you in 10 days they're going to try invade Venezuela from Puerto Rico it is there Randy let's be real clear

the NFL is a group of white men white women except for one owner con down in Jacksonville who love money they love money these are some Maga Trump loving, Trump supporting, donating owners. And so let's just make no mistake here, okay?

No one can be confused. Okay, for everybody who's out here who's like, oh, Jay-Z's picking halftime. No, he's not. Jay-Z's recommending the artist at halftime. If you think for a second that Roger Goodell and the NFL office did not vet Bad Bunny

and check everything out, you're crazy. And these owners, because I remember, you know, McKedrick, well, some owners they weren't happy. Bullshit. When them ratings dropped, they were happy. You know why? Because the NFL, y'all,

just in case any of y'all want to understand, DeMora Smith, talked about it on the Breakfast Club, and guess what? The owner of the Patriots, Robert Kraft, he talked about it as well. He said it. The NFL practices socialism because that's what the NFL is.

They actually share money. They share revenue. These owners know what they're doing. These owners are all about the money. They are about getting paid. They're about making more money. They don't give a damn if MAGA is upset because you know what they want to see? They want to see Latinos, brown people.

They want to see them buying product. They want to see them buying jerseys. They want to see them buying beer at the game. And matter of fact, if y'all out there think that I'm lying, here's Robert Kraft on CNBC, and wait until you hear the white anchor stop him. We're talking about socialism. Listen.

Would I have believed in 94 when I played the highest price ever paid for any sports franchise in the world? And I never would have believed it. But, you know, it's a credit to my part in the NFL, and Roger Goodell has done a great job leading our NFL, and we work. It's almost the socialist system of we're partners and together. I don't say that.

Don't say anything good is happening with social. Or else he's going to get more votes down here in New York. No, no, no, no, but I mean that in a way. It's the spirit of, it's the most competitive business. business there is, how bad, what people do to win, but we're partners, and we have to come together for the benefit of... See, Joe Kernan right there, Randy. Joe Kernan ain't want the truth being told.

Hey, man, we deal with Mom Donna here in New York. Don't say socialists, but he's right. The NFL is the biggest sports league in America, $25 billion. They're the only sports league that competes with Jesus. churches, churches will shut down early on Sundays because folks are going to watch the game. So let's be real clear. The NFL, the NFL, they ain't backing out of this here.

They love the controversy because they want the ratings to explode. You know what that means? That means that whoever has the NFL game is selling out of the ad units. It means that for Apple music, which is now sponsored the halftime show, used to be Pepsi, it's going to be even bigger.

They know the streams, The purchases of bad bunny are going to explode before, doing, and after the game. This is American capitalism, and they don't give a damn if MAGA is upset because they're sitting here saying, count the money, Randy. So they hate, they so-called hate DEI, but they love DEI at halftime, and they love DEI in the first half and the second half when it's making these white folks money. Right. Hold on Rosa. Hold on Rosa. Randy, go.

It is about making money. And what they get, that seems like MAGA doesn't get, is that they have to give the world what the world wants to see because they're in the business of making money. 13% of the population in the United States, first of all, speak Spanish. That's what they don't want to know. Maga doesn't want to admit that, but the world is very diverse. Also, the NFL wants to expand across the world.

I was just in South Africa, and the NFL was advertising. in metro stations. Also, what's interesting to me is how MAGA is so ignorant when it comes to who a U.S. citizen is. They try to make these points, but they do it from an ignorant place. Bad Bunny is a U.S. citizen, but guess who wasn't? Shania Twain, not a U.S. citizen. Coldplay, not U.S. citizens.

YouTube, not U.S. citizens. Rolling Stones, not U.S. citizens. All people who performed at the Super Bowl halftime shows before, They didn't have problems with them because they look what these ignorant folks think Americans or U.S. citizens should look like. But Bad Bunny does not because of the way he looks and the language that is his first language. And so all they're doing is showing their racism as they always end up doing. But the thing is I've always told people, MAGA is divided into two people. They're the very rich ones, the billionaires, and then they're very racist ones.

And sometimes they are divided because the rich ones are not going to give in to their racism and lose money. They're going to make their money. And that's exactly why that choice was made for bad bunny in the NFL. Rosa, final comment. I mean, I agree with what you just said. And I'm like at the end, America's capitalism.

What they don't see as the effect of is that, in my opinion, after Hurricane Maria and then 2019, Bad Bunny led the biggest protest in the history of Puerto Rico, $1.8 million. There's a lot of things to talk about us being a colony. And the last thing I would say that, I appreciate, your audience is going to appreciate. In this tour, he recruited a faculty member at the University of Wisconsin. His name is Dr. Badijo. And Dr. Bagujin wrote this.

And fam, if you love Puerto Rico, don't get the navy blue. Get the lighter blue. Bad Bunny created his entire show on the history of Puerto Rico. And we align as American citizens, African American citizens, Puerto Rico citizens, United States citizens who are treated as second class. We have always worked together,

and we're going to keep it moving. Well, listen, I think to watch these MAGA people lose their shit, it's absolutely hilarious to me. and they're going to be yelling and screaming. I don't think for a second, I will be shocked if the NFL pulled back on this. I think they did all the vetting.

They knew what was going to happen. They knew the reaction. But the NFL owners care about one thing, money. They will pimp any controversy. They will pimp anything in order to make money. It's as simple as that. That's how they roll. So we'll see.

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