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Now, we're less than six hours away from a federal government shut down.
Republicans continue to say that Democrats want to provide health care to undocumented workers,
even though they know that's a lie
because federal law actually prevents that from happening.
Trump finally sat down with Democratic congressional leaders
after he was complaining and chastising
and criticizing them last week.
And then what he's done is he's going to treat his social media
and acting like a spoiled, petulant child
posting silly, ridiculous, racist memes.
During us right now is House Democratic Leader
of Hakeem Jeffers.
Glad to have you on the show.
First and foremost, again,
I'm on social media
I'm on Twitter and all I am seeing
repeatedly are Republicans saying
Democrats want to give illegal
aliens health care
I see Eric Erickson
radio folks members of Congress
all saying that that seems to be
their driving talking point
what say you
you are mute
do we have them
Can you hear me now?
Yeah, there we go. Go ahead.
All right.
Good to be on with you.
Republicans are lying, Roland, for exactly the reasons that you laid out.
Federal law currently prohibits undocumented immigrants from being the beneficiaries of health care paid for by U.S. taxpayer dollars, period, full stop.
And not a single Democrat on Capitol Hill is trying to change that law.
What we have made clear is that we're willing, we're ready, we're able to try to find a bipartisan, bipartisan path forward in order to reach a spending agreement that actually meets the needs of the American people that lifts up their quality of life as opposed to hurting everyday Americans, which is what Republicans did in their one big ugly bill to try to reward their billionaire donors with massive unjustified tax breaks.
We're not willing to go along with that scheme moving forward, just like we uniformly oppose the one big ugly bill in the House and the Senate.
But we are not going to support a partisan Republican spending bill that continues to gut the health care of the American people in an environment where there's been an all-out assault on the health care of everyday Americans throughout this year.
unprecedented in nature, Republican health care crisis, largest cut to Medicaid in American
history, triggering a possible $536 billion cut to Medicare as well at the end of the year
if Congress doesn't act.
Their refusal to extend the Affordable Care Act tax credits, which is going to result in
more than 20 million people in a matter of days receiving notices that their premiums, co-pays,
and deductibles are going to skyrocket.
They're closing hospitals, nursing homes, and community-based health clinics because of the changes that were made in the one big, ugly bill, which is now law and the attack on health care.
I saw a senator from Mississippi say that it's democratic policies that are closing rural hospitals.
And I'm sitting there going like, what are you talking about?
I mean, we saw literally after the bill was passed, a hospital in Nebraska announced they were closing.
And so it's amazing to hear them claim one thing when that is simply not the case.
You had the entire health care system of Louisiana, say to Speaker Mike Johnson, do not pass this bill or we are in danger.
That's exactly right.
But, you know, what I've learned over the years in terms of this version of the Republican Party,
as you've consistently and authentically pointed out, Roland, one, facts don't matter, right?
They'll lie with impunity, and that's what they're doing right now.
Hypocrisy is not a constraint to their behavior.
They'll say one thing and then do the other.
And, of course, they've come to the conclusion in the Trump era that their shamelessness is like a superpower.
But they miscalculated in this particular instance were less than six hours away from a government shut down, and they assumed that Democrats were going to blink.
But we made clear from the very beginning.
We're in the midst of an unprecedented assault on the health care of everyday Americans, and we're not going to go along to get along.
And the reality is if they want Democratic votes in order to get legislation over the finish line, then of course it's reasonable to conclude.
that democratic values should be reflected in that legislation.
And we've made the point.
Cancel the cuts, lower the costs, save health care.
That's the line in the sand that we've drawn fighting on behalf of the American people.
Because this Republican created health care crisis is an assault on urban America,
an assault on working class America, an assault on rural America,
an assault on small town America,
an assault on black and brown communities all throughout America
and an assault on the heartland of America.
And it's got to be reversed.
So you're going to deal with the reality that, I mean, look,
they are already trying to blame an impending shutdown on Democrats.
The Pew dropped their poll that showed this.
Most Democrats disapprove of congressional leaders' job performance,
but Republican approval of GOP congressional leadership spikes.
And so the numbers are right here.
Messaging is a huge part of this.
And so what is the plan of action to actually drive this home
as opposed to being bludgeoned to death by Republicans saying it's all on you.
It's all on Democrats.
It's your fault.
The government will shut down.
Well, Republicans control the House, the Senate, and the presidency.
Common sense suggests that how can it be the fault of Democrats
when Republicans have complete control of government right now?
That's illogical.
It makes no sense.
And the reality is, if Republicans were really interested in trying to resolve this issue in advance of this midnight deadline, then House Republicans would be here in Washington right now.
Democrats are here in the House reporting for duty. Republicans are on vacation.
Mike Johnson literally canceled votes that were previously scheduled to take place yesterday and today.
and Republicans are scattered throughout the country and the world.
Why?
Because they have no interest in actually trying to fund the government.
And most polling has shown consistently that the American people recognize who runs the government right now.
Republicans have been firing thousands of federal workers throughout the year since January 20th.
That's happening in the absence of a government shutdown.
And there's no reason to believe that Democrats are actually going to be the party that bears the brunt of the blame.
Yes, of course, the MAGA extremist base is going to follow along with anything that Donald Trump has to say.
They probably believe that that AI video that he put out there yesterday was in part real.
But the American people, those who have common sense, those who understand the realities of a country right now,
that is suffering from Republican control of government
who recognize that Democrats are on their side,
fighting to protect their health care,
and Republicans are the ones who've been gutting it
throughout the entirety of this year
and now are refusing to extend the Affordable Care Act tax credits,
which is gonna trigger these dramatically increased health care costs
in an environment where America is already too expensive,
the cost of living is too high,
The Trump tariffs are making life more expensive for everyday Americans,
and Republicans continue to refuse to do anything about it.
Former White House advisor staffer Dan Coe said this here.
Dems are getting on shutdown messaging.
We're blowing it.
We need to fight.
Here's what we could have done.
Like safe travel, Trump's mass firings could mean no TSA agents,
no air traffic controls, no NTSB investigative crashes,
no FBI to investigate crimes, no prisons to send anyone to
because there'll be no correction officers,
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food inspectors, no secret service, all potential in the chopping block.
This list could be 100 times longer.
We need to remove the leverage Trump keeps building.
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This is absurd, and I'm sick of acceding easy wins to Trump.
What say you?
Yeah, I don't even understand what this particular individual was talking about.
We're not in the shutdown right now.
Of course, we'll articulate the consequences as it relates to the shutdown that Donald Trump
and Republicans will own.
We certainly aren't in a position, nor should we ever, if the goal,
is to win the narrative to articulate a laundry list of items to the American people, when
in reality the central defining issue of this fight is that we are protecting the health care
of the American people.
The American people know their health care is under assault.
They care about it.
They care about their quality of life.
And they also care about, of course, the high cost of living in the United States of America.
the health care issue relates to these items directly, authentically, and viscerally.
Speaker Mike Johnson was on CNBC.
He actually said this.
I'd love to get your response.
Mr. Speaker, at that meeting yesterday, did they present, and I don't know how much you can talk
about what went on, but did they give an entire, the Democrats, an entire wish list of things
that they, did they say they want health care for illegal immigrants and, I don't know,
funding, some TVs.
They said we want all these things.
Yes, and they put it in writing, because remember, they filed a counter-proposal
continuing resolution.
We filed a 24-page clean CR.
They filed a dirty CR as a kind of proposal, included in it, and they brought this up in
the meeting yesterday.
They want to restore taxpayer-funded benefits, American taxpayer-funded benefits, to
illegal aliens.
We're not doing that.
He goes on CNNBC says, y'all put it in writing.
Is there a document that you've seen?
What is he talking about?
Yeah, it's a stone cold lie.
The reality is we introduced the continuing resolution to keep the government open.
And that continuing resolution did three important things.
One, it would cancel the Medicaid cuts, which are the largest cuts.
to Medicaid in American history
and are going to be devastating
to communities all across the country.
Two, we permanently extend
the Affordable Care Act tax credits
which benefit working class Americans
all across the country.
93% of the tax credits
go to people who make $63,000
or less in the United States of America.
And third, there are accountability provisions
to make sure that Republicans
can't,
engage in an agreement, that's bipartisan, that then is signed into law by President Trump,
and then on the back end, they engage in rescissions to undo democratic priorities and values
that we believe will make a difference to the American people.
We would be fools to ever enter into an agreement with them that then allowed them to back
in that agreement by engaging in rescissions without Democratic votes.
So there's a provision in the law that, of course, needs to change.
That's our proposal, and I have no idea what Mike Johnson is talking about, but the reality is because they don't have a defensible position, that's probably the reason why Donald Trump had no cameras in that Oval Office meeting, unlike any other high-profile meeting that he's done this year.
They don't have a defensible position.
They know we have them on the run.
They know we're on the right side of the American people when it comes to fighting to protect their health care, as Barack Obama himself noted, just a few days ago.
and we're in this fight until we win this fight
on behalf of everyday Americans.
All right, Democrat leader, Hakeem Jeffers.
We appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
Thanks, man.
All right, got to go to a break.
We'll be right back.
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Mustafa, just your thoughts, again,
on this impending shutdown.
Everywhere on social media, everywhere, all I see is
Democrats want to give health care to illegal aliens.
That is the Republican talking point.
Do you think Democrats have been effective
in knocking that back?
No, if they had been effective,
we wouldn't be having this conversation now.
And, you know, I appreciate, you know,
Hakeem coming on to the show,
Representative Jeffrey's coming on to the show and sharing,
but they've got to do a much better job.
The problem is, is that we never put a face on the issues that folks are talking about.
So you can talk about the numbers, you know, we can talk about this 87 million people who are uninsured and underinsured in this country,
but you've got to bring it home.
It's got to actually resonate with folks about who those individuals are, what they're going through, what they're losing,
and why we should be focused on these issues.
So they're just not doing what they need to do.
On that particular point there, Bishop William Barber always talks about this here.
He says you've got to use impacted people.
You've got to have the voices of impacted people.
And so to Mustafa's point, he's right, you've got to be able to show who these people are.
And it can't just be a Washington, D.C. conversation.
And again, every single time Republicans say that, my response would be lie, lie, lie.
In fact, this is how I roll.
If I was speaking, if I was Democrat leader Jeffries and my staff was monitoring that CNBC interview,
and Mike Johnson said that, I would have said, call the control room right now.
Get me on the air while he's on the air so I can tell everybody he just lied.
That, to me, is the kind of response, the rapid response
that Democrats have to have in the moment.
Not waiting for a news conference, not waiting for a tweet,
but literally say, call the control room right now,
put me on the air because he just lied.
Absolutely.
And I think we need some more fire behind what's happening right now
because this isn't politics.
This is actual people's lives who will be affected.
We need some Gavin Newsom energy, but on a whole new level of meeting,
of meeting them where their lives meet and making it clear that this crisis is not a bipartisan failure,
but as a result of Republican obstruction in Trump's-aligned extremism that is really effective families.
And as you said before, telling the stories of those who will be impacted.
So those who have to make those real decisions that this will impact,
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and empty refrigerators
and knowing that families will have to go
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and child care and housing assistance
and really making it real
so that it really relates to folks
and help them understand
that this fight is not only in Washington
but it's connecting back into communities
and how it will impact them.
Sense of urgency, Larry,
that's what it has to be.
That what we need to be hearing.
And again, the numbers don't lie.
the polling numbers don't lie. People do not feel as if
Democratic congressional leadership are meeting the moment.
Yeah, I think one of the problems we talk about, you know,
Jeffries and Schumer is that I think that there are politicians
in terms of the communication style that doesn't work anymore,
and it's for age this long gone. And so they're going to
learn, they're going to have to adapt because once again,
Roland, in terms of, you know, the Republicans, what they're proposing is,
is not popular, but the Democrats haven't been able to articulate
an agenda, a counter narrative to highlight to the American people that we were fighting on
your behalf. And if they don't get it together, we've got midterms coming up in a short period
of time. And then a few years after that, we have the election. But once again, they don't
really have to refine a communication style. And I agree with you. And essentially, you want to adopt
a communication style as more like urban guerrilla warfare, is that you're being the aggressor
when necessary to put out, you know, to communicate to the American people. What's at stake here?
if you don't, you know, you don't wake up, that, you know, you'll lose your health care and they'll far more, you know, lose your health care.
It'll increase mortality rates. Once again, not going to put food on the table. But once again, this communication style has to be more aggressive. And I agree with you. You've got to be in the studio with them as they tell some of these lies. But you've got to have people also who are out there, Roland, who are really good at communicating. And let's be clear, sometimes the Democratic Party has tried to mute those individuals, Jasmine Crock,
among others who were excellent communicators.
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Going to a break. We come back.
I can't even tell you
what the hell that thing was
today that the
grossly unqualified
white man Peter, Pete Hick, Seth
did today with America's
top generals. Total
waste of money, total waste
of time for what was essentially
a pep rally.
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Something happened today that was essentially a pep rally.
Pete Hex-F, the grossly unqualified white man,
picked the lead to the Department of Defense,
stands before a massive U.S. flag having his patent moment from the movie.
He's addressing the top generals in our military.
Okay, let me explain something to y'all.
Do you understand how stupid it is to have all,
all of America's top generals
located in one place
at an event that was public.
Guys, it was a pep rally.
It was a campaign event.
And they sat there and listened to this idiot head said,
trash retired generals.
Talk about grooming and overweight officers
and shaving your beard.
If you don't like it, you can resign.
Oh, military exceptionalism, all is BS.
Then the twice impeach criminally convicted felon in chief,
Mr. Bonespurs, okay, who never served,
he walks out there, trashes Obama, trashes Biden,
before people who are sworn to uphold and protect the Constitution,
individuals who are not supposed to be participating in political rallies.
And that's exactly what this was.
So here's this idiot Hicks at, whining and complaining and bemoaning, D.E.I.
This administration has done a great deal from day one.
To remove the social justice politically correct and toxic ideological garbage that had infected our department.
To rip out the politics.
No more identity months.
DEI offices, dudes in dresses.
No more climate change worship.
No more division, distraction, or gender delusions.
No more debris.
As I've said before, and we'll say again, we are done with that shit.
I've made it my mission to uproot the obvious distractions that made us less capable and less lethal.
That said, the war department requires.
the next step.
Underneath the woke garbage is a deeper problem
and a more important problem that we are fixing
and fixing fast.
Common sense is back at the White House.
So making the necessary changes
is actually pretty straightforward.
One leader said
in the political story,
we could have did this in an email.
Do y'all understand how much
money it costs to fly in the top generals from all across the world to listen to a 90-minute
two-hour, whatever the hell that was?
Here's this idiot Donald Trump.
It was really a stupid person that works for.
I'll mention the word nuclear, I moved a submarine or two,
I won't say about the two, over to the coast of Russia,
just to be careful, because we can't let people
throw around that word.
I call it the N-word.
There are two N-words, and you can't use either of them.
Can use either of them.
And frankly, if it does get to use,
we have more than anybody else.
We have better, we have newer,
but it's something we don't ever want to even have to think about.
But when somebody mentions it,
that that submarine started immediately thereafter,
and it's just lurking, but I'm sure we're not gonna have
to use it.
But it's an amazing, it's undetectable, totally.
Ours is, theirs isn't.
There's a totally detectable.
We can detect them easily.
We go right to the spot.
What the hell is he talking about?
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I don't even know where to start from the sheer stupidity of what the nation's top brass had to endure in that pep rally.
You want me to start?
Go right ahead.
Yeah.
I mean, we have a gentleman who is the head of the secretary of war, who was a captain.
and then I understand a major in the National Guard.
He is talking to general officers,
but he's speaking from the level in which he knows.
He started talking about being a platoon leader,
and he goes forward to being a platoon leader.
So that's what he understands.
He's talking to people who have put their lives on the line for this country for years,
and that are qualified to be general officers.
So, of course, it was a pep, Riley.
Nothing to be really upset about
unless you want to get into the eachest of what he said.
Well, this idiot is standing there
the cheer rallies and the millins
and you don't stand in front of generals
and shit on previous chairmen
of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
and top leaders of America's military.
People who folk in that room served with, served under who they actually led.
That, to me, was, that's not what you do with the military of the United States.
Well, obviously, the whole intent was a bullying exculpade.
I mean, no leader brings their people forward to say, hey, I'm the leader,
and now I'm going to show you something different or we're going to do something different.
every secretary of defense as well as now this secretary of war has an opportunity when he goes into his office to set up a national military strategy which is in writing and some of those very gentlemen that we're in that office today will help him draft it so the purpose of bringing everyone in front for him to be in front of everyone and then let the world see it is just to me it seems as though a little insecure
maybe for a young man who is really in some big shoes.
Yeah, I mean, he's, I mean, he's standing there.
It was a television presentation. This is what I keep saying
about these people. Everything is a TV show. That's all this was.
That's all this was. This was, here I stand.
I am the mighty Peter Hexeth, and I'm the Secretary of War,
leading the War Department, and is sitting before me all of the
all of the people who
worked under me, all of
my generals. And Donald Trump
has actually said before
my generals, when
that's not how they should be referred
to in this country.
No, and this would be
laughable if he didn't say
other things that were even more important.
First, the fact that he's calling
the Department of Defense,
the Department of War, is
significant and should be significant to
people in this country, because
the word defense is actually in the Constitution, and that we are sworn to protect and defend
the Constitution.
So the fact that he put war, which he has not explained to anyone as yet, while war replaced
defense, is something we should be concerned about.
But also, in his speech, he pointed out a number of, I don't know, in doing his diatribe,
he pointed out a number of things that we should be focused on.
One is when he singled out shaving as a requirement for being in the Army.
Now, most of us know about pseudophilicolitis, mostly African Americans or men with curly hair have it,
and for him to require all of them to cut and shave, smooth shave, will impact some of them.
But that's something that also can be overcome if the right people get in and fix that problem with shaving bumps.
The thing is, when you have someone young who doesn't know what leadership really is other than what he read in the book,
who hasn't been challenged like the men he had in the auditorium today, you might get this.
It would be the same if we put a private in charge of the NCO Corps.
They may have a lot of great ideas, but those ideas aren't necessarily practical for the battlefield or for any war that we may engage in this country.
Now, I want to say, I am a retired military officer,
and he placed a few challenges there for me,
but nothing that I would be afraid of.
Physical fitness, I've been out of the Army 25 years,
so you can imagine I was fit when I was in the Army.
Women being able to do whatever job that he wants to put out there,
he's going to be surprised, because if we know our jobs
and you have a standard, they are going to meet the standard.
with DEI. That is something that didn't come from the military. The military is apolitical.
DEI came from something else. If they take it away, no one is going to...
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I like to isolate each instrument, the rhythmic bass, the harmonies on the piano.
Sticky melody.
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Boo-hoo taking that away.
Because once the standard is set,
soldiers and officers in the United States military
are going to meet those standards.
So this was a feel-good moment, and I appreciate it seeing it,
but I don't want anyone to be afraid that the military is in trouble
as long as he does what he says.
He said it's going to be meritorious,
that it's going to be based on merit,
and that's what my book is about,
being the best but not being awarded or rewarded
according to merit.
So if he does that,
happy? This political
story could have been an email. Officials
Balk at Hexas General's meeting
and in here
it said
numerous defense officials were
scratching their head saying what the head
was going on more like a press conference
than briefing the generals said one defense
official could have been an email
90 minutes
and it said they had the feel of a Hollywood production
Donald Trump
comes out and tells these generals
they can have a good time
The military code says you don't clap, you don't laugh, you don't speak, you just listen.
I mean, that's also just what's so stupid here, okay, that, sure, that was a moment where some chuckled, some had, went, all sort of stuff, but anybody who understands the code or the military knows that when they're being addressed by the person occupying the White House, I don't call them the president.
when they're being dressed by the Secretary of Defense, not Secretary of War.
There's a code of conduct they are to abide by.
Yes, the military and the officers in it are apolitical.
So it didn't matter what party the president was as he stands there.
I mean, I'm saying that we're going to follow the orders.
We're going to fight the nation's wars.
This is not new.
So this was a presentation, from my perspective, watching it, for those two gentlemen to feel good about the positions they're in, and maybe for the secretary to assert some authority over people who have really earned their rank.
Well, and also, let's keep in mind.
And we were dealing with individuals who you've seen, he had said, fire a number of generals.
and they've removed a lot of folks
who have been in the chain of command
because they want absolute loyalists
and not people,
they want loyalists to Trump,
not people who are loyal to the Constitution.
Now, that's going to be,
he's going to have to do a lot of picking
to make that happen.
I mean, what he did as far as removing the senior generals,
I don't know exactly what his thought process was.
He had done.
To us.
He had none.
But to us, it appears,
that he was removing people because of not their qualifications,
not because of their merit,
but because he wanted a gender-neutral, race-neutral leadership.
That's what it appears to be.
And that's just my opinion.
Of course, it's not going to, when it comes down to the military,
you're not going to have an all-of-one anything military.
The military needs diversity, even though it may not need deep.
The military needs women's service members because we're not going to be able to round
out the force without them.
That has been tried before.
The people that are in the military that join as privates, they come in as lieutenants, are not
getting any special privileges.
So a lot of what the secretary is saying is just rumor and I guess what he's trying to project.
As I said before, DEI is not a military invention.
We want everyone in the military to have equal opportunity, which is guaranteed by the Constitution
of the United States.
And we will execute the rules, the laws that are—and the orders of the president, because
that's what they are sworn to do.
This was—go ahead, sir.
Well, I hope the message at the retirement ceremony of general—
Millie, Mark Millie, is ringing in the ears of every person for folks who don't remember
this is what he said.
We don't take an oath to a country.
We don't take an oath to a tribe.
We don't take an oath to a religion.
We don't take an oath to a king or a queen or a tyrant or a dictator.
And we don't take an oath to a Wadi dictator.
We don't take an oath to an individual.
We take an oath to the country.
Constitution, and we take an oath to the idea of this America and we're willing to die to protect it.
Well, I certainly hope, first of all, many people said we knew exactly who he was talking about when he made those comments.
And I certainly hope that troops, these generals, that if they are given, frankly, an unlawful order that that does not abide by the Constitution, I hope that they will reject Higgs, Seth, or even Trump, and that,
order. I believe that the officers, because they are sworn to an oath, and we represent the people
of this country, will do that. Well, I hope so. He's putting our military officers in a very
difficult position, but that's what we're dealing with. Lieutenant Colonel Cleella Davis,
I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Aggie Price. All right, let me go to my panel here.
I tell you, Larry, it's to sit here and listen to that idiot. It was just, I, I, I,
I couldn't imagine being one of those generals having to endure the sheer stupidity of Pete
Hegseth talking about fitness and shaving beards.
No, Roland, I think one of the things we had the contrasts is former secretary, Austin, and
Hegseth.
I think that's one.
Second of all, this is, I think people are missing something about this speech.
This is a, it was very political.
It was theater.
But it's my belief that Hexeth is lining up to run for something U.S. Senate or governor, et cetera, down the line.
And I think that in a year or two, we'll find that out.
But you're right.
A lot of this speech didn't make any sense.
You know, you watch it and you're trying to figure out exactly what is he talking about.
And it could have been an email.
And I think the other thing is not only the cost in terms of flying those individuals, you know, in.
But we really need to talk about the dangers in terms of the dangers of place to the United States.
you're taking individuals from various theaters throughout the world, and you're flying them into one place.
I mean, it's like a Russian, Russia or a Chinese spies dream.
It makes absolutely no sense.
But we have to, Americans really need to pay close attention to the language as being used today.
Because essentially, when you're not only in terms of, you know, allegedly directing these generals and telling them what they should and shouldn't do, the other thing is with, you know, President Trump is, it seems really the language using about, in terms of using the military,
in the U.S. jurisdictions, and we're seeing that already, and we're going to see that
increasingly. Another thing is, when people keep talking about DEI, D.E.I includes veterans.
So I work on a college campus, and when you talk about DEI program, that includes you as veterans.
So when you, and a lot of people don't always think about race and gender, but a lot of veterans,
when it comes to programs, various programs that get higher education in other places,
they're included in those DEI programs. So when you keep talking about DEI programs,
you're talking about veterans throughout the United States
after they leave the U.S. military.
No, when they say D, they mean black people.
They mean brown people, Tyler.
Exactly, and I think it's very dangerous.
And I think, again, for black soldiers
who have historically fought for freedoms
that were denied at home,
this right here is yet another reminder
of that insult where our military is bending
towards a white nationalist agenda.
And I think it's very dangerous
as we're talking about the politicization of our military,
and I think it echoes an authoritarian government,
which we are seeing day in and day out here in Washington.
And as mentioned, you know, our soldiers take a note to the Constitution,
not to political leaders.
And for even him to say that we are removing anything social justice,
I think it's not just rhetoric,
it demands that our armed forces abandoning the very values
that they swear to uphold.
Mustafa.
I mean, for those of us who are students of history,
authoritarian leaders have always needed things.
to be able to garner the support of folks.
So we just need to be clear.
All you got to do is go back and take a look at Mussolini.
You can look at Hitler.
You can look at a number of folks throughout history
who are now labeled as authoritarian leaders
and how they used certain moments to be able to,
one, show that they had power, two, to get people in a line,
and three, to continue to feed sort of the rhetoric
that would become commonplace.
and many of the societies that began to allow the erosion
or the erasure of rights.
So, you know, we just need to be mindful
of how history has played out
and make sure that we are also paying attention
to this moment and seeing if there are some things
that kind of line up together.
Of course, Vice President Kamala Harris told people
this was going to happen
while Trump was going to act and behave
and she reiterated that on Saturday night
when she accepted her award
from the Congressional Black Caucus
Foundation ALC.
Here is what she had to say when she picked up her Phoenix
Award.
Good evening, everyone.
Let me thank CBCF Foundation Chair,
Congresswoman Terry Sewell, for that beautiful introduction.
And I thank CBC Chair, Congresswoman Yvette Clark,
and all of the CBC members,
all of the award winners, and everyone gathered here
for your long-stander.
leadership and support. As a former and I consider myself lifetime member of CBC, I am deeply honored
to receive this award. For more than half a century, the CBC has not only been the conscience
of the Congress, but a conscience of America, fighting for opportunity, for equality, and for freedom.
With your help, 75 million Americans stood with us last year on behalf of a stronger America.
Stood with a belief in the promise of America.
And today, the CBC, in the tradition of its founders, confronts an unprecedented but not unfamiliar threat to that
promise. The United States Congress has equal power to the executive branch in our constitutional
government. And your work, then, is more important than ever, especially as your colleagues
bend the knee and fail to uphold their constitutional duty.
With each day, we are witnessing a president who has lined his own pockets and those of the super-rich,
while he raises tariffs on the backs of working people, cuts SNAP and Medicaid, ignores science,
ends the war on cancer, and deploys the United States military to the streets of the
America.
And let us be clear, we predicted all that.
But CBC, what I did not predict was the capitulation, the universities, law firms, media corporations,
the titans of industry who have been so quick to kneel before a tyrant.
But I'll tell you who refuses to capitulate the people.
When a president with a fragile ego couldn't take a joke and brought down the weight of the federal
government to silence the voice of a citizen, folks spoke with their pocketbooks this week,
and Jimmy Kimmel is now back on the air.
And when Dr. Jamal Bryant issued a call to speak with your pocketbooks, the power of the people
was also demonstrated.
A time such as this demands that the leaders in this room remind the people of their power.
truth and speak with courage even when you don't have all the answers.
A time such as this demands that we win the midterms and enforce checks and balances
on this unchecked, incompetent, unhinged president.
Yesterday, I had the joy of visiting students at my alma mater, Howard University.
You know.
And while I was there, I remembered, when I was their age, I got to Howard when I was 17.
When I was their age, Ronald Reagan.
was president. And the extreme right wing was hatching the long-term agenda that is being
swiftly implemented today, enhanced today by propaganda and misinformation. And recall,
they played the long game, working for decades to take over state houses,
gerrymander districts, stack the Supreme Court, and create the radical blueprint currently
being used by this administration. As I have written, the current president is their vehicle,
but the road was paved over decades by a hot and pungent brew. Ronald Reagan's celebrity,
the belligerent discourse of Newt Gingrich
and the nativism of Pat Buchanan.
CBC, we have some deep work to do.
At first I would offer we must prioritize immediacy.
Focus on the immediate issues that people face,
like the rising cost of groceries, housing, and child care.
Second, we cannot allow them to gaslight us by suggesting that the powerless and not the powerful are responsible for our predicament.
And finally, please let's get over the savior complex, which suggests one individual can save us.
Come on. Because Democrats, we have so many stars. We have so many stars. And many of them are in this room right now. You are the leaders who are up for the fight. You are leaders who have courage. You are leaders who speak truth.
that at a time such as this it demands one thing for sure we must fight fire with
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Thank you.
The point she makes there, Mustafa, I think, is a critical one.
That is, it is a call, it is a charge, what needs to happen, and to understand that what we are looking at two blocks from where we sit right now is an individual who is a grave threat, an individual and a party that is a grave threat to the future of black America.
Yeah, without a doubt.
often use the phrase, you have power unless you give it away, you know, we've got to make
sure that we are actually helping to build power. So the vice president talked about, you know,
a multitude of leaders are needed. You know, our dear sister Ella Baker often, you know,
made sure that we understood that there's not just one person who has a responsibility. But that also
means that we have to have an understanding of the dynamics and the needs that exist inside of
our communities. And all the folks that are sitting in that dinner, I hope that they are actually
spending time on the ground with folks.
So, yes, we have this threat that's going on,
but we have to build up our people
and make sure they understand it each and every one of us
as a leader and that we can make change
in our own communities.
And then by coming together,
we can build, you know, this coalition
that is so necessary.
But often we don't want to spread the power around.
So I think that that has to be a part of addressing
what's going on about the person who's now sitting in the White House
and who are the folks who are running these agencies.
So we have the opportunity.
We just got to make sure we're taking advantage of.
Tali?
Yeah, I would also say it's something that, you know,
everyone in that room, you know, all knows.
And I think the strategy is how we take that out of that room,
but take it to communities so they're able to understand
and comprehend that this is a reminder to us all
that our resistance must be paired with vision.
And we must have people who aren't scared
to fight fire over fire, because we all know that fear exists, but it does and we know it's real,
but because we have to understand that we move with that fear in service of something that's bigger
that we know that we're fighting for, that we know that we're fighting for freedom and liberation
for all black people. And we deserve not only to survive, but to thrive. And in order to do
that, it requires an unafraid leadership, willing to dream, to act out boldly, and to stand
10 toes down, but it requires
us to move not only in those spaces
but take it back to the community
to those who may not, you know,
hear that type of conversation every single day.
Larry?
Roland, really quickly here. She says
something that I think a lot of people missed, and
she made the connection between New Guinea, she mentioned
him, the contract with America, she didn't
say that, and Project 2025.
For folks who don't understand how we got
here, go back and look at the contract with
America. She mentions
a few of the Pat Buchanan, et cetera. It's been
building to this. We didn't just arrive here. New Gingrich and the Gingrich Revolution is part of
how we got to Project 2025. So I encourage people to go out and check out some of the, you know,
go back and look at the contract and American impact on, you know, policy in the United States.
And remember that, you know, black people felt, you know, encountered challenges like this in the
past. And the CBC has always led the way. And we need to continue to see them to reach those heights
again. Absolutely. All right, folks. Got to go to a break. We come back. Republicans.
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Well, a GOP Political Action Committee in Pennsylvania are sending out mailers claiming that state Supreme Court justice is in that state,
illegally gerrymandered districts to help Democrats win.
That's not quite what their role is.
The postcard sent by the Commonwealth Leaders Fund, a political action committee tied to Pennsylvania's
richest man, Jeffrey Yaz, features a map with oddly shaped district circle and ran.
It's one of several recent mailers in digital ads and have sparked outrage among Democrats
who call it a deceptive tactic in this year's high-stakes judicial elections.
Now, the map picture, y'all, do y'all have the map?
Okay, all right, fine.
The map picture wasn't drawn by the state Supreme Court.
Who drew it?
Republican legislators
yeah
now the mass was struck down
by the state Supreme Court
calling in an unconstitutional
gerrymander
but you see how they're trying to play the game
journalists right now
Nadia Graves lead Democrat leader for
one Pennsylvania a civic organization glad to have you here
so here's the thing that's crazy
and that people need to understand why this matters
because Republicans have been pissed off
at the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court
as rule against their shameful antics
for the last several years,
including the 2020 election
when Trump still complains
that he felt that the state Supreme Court
just created law
when we were in the middle of COVID.
Hi, how are you?
Great.
Great.
So, yeah, I just want to kind of set the stage
because I know a lot of people
aren't in Pennsylvania.
Jeffrey S. is a
Pennsylvanian.
He's actually an out-of-state billionaire,
but currently resides in Pennsylvania.
He is a Wall Street billionaire,
and he lives a little bit outside of Philadelphia.
He's increased his wealth by about 400% since COVID,
and he's now worth $65 billion.
He is a major investor in TikTok
and a member of Trump's inner billionaire circle
advocating to defund public schools
and pushing a far-right agenda.
I think it's important to know
he's a TikTok investor
because we used to hear Donald Trump talk a lot
about shutting down TikTok
and now we don't hear anything about that.
And I think that's attributed
to a meeting between Trump and Jeffrey S.
Yeah, I mean, Trump wasn't a Trump hate TikTok
until yes said, hey, I want to buy
he was like, hey, TikTok is all something great.
But what they're doing is, you know, again,
they want to try, they need to lie
in order to get people fired up.
So they want to pin the blame on the maps on Democrats,
but it was Republicans.
Yes, that has been really intense to see
because Jeffrey S. is using dark money groups
to influence PA's support.
Court election, and precisely to do things, like have the courts gerrymandered to grab
more power for Republicans.
So his latest front is called Citizens for Term Limits, and it's structured so that the public
can't really see how many millions that he's pumping in to the Supreme Court race.
And this is exactly how billionaires, like Jeffrey S, and even Elon Musk rigged the system.
They hide their spending behind these political actions.
committees and use their wealth to drown out the voices of everyday voters.
So we have these mailers coming in from the Commonwealth Leaders Fund.
And they have maps, which are a lot.
The masses showing on the mailers are the maps that the Republicans actually drew out
in 2018 that got struck down by this Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court has really had freedom for people.
Pennsylvania's and mine, and the congressional districts that we got out of that was a lot more
fair. I'm from a small town in Pennsylvania called Cotesville, Pennsylvania. It's the middle of
Chester County, and it's a black neighborhood in the richest county in Pennsylvania. And you can see
on the gerrymandered map prior to 2018, we can see Cotesville and South Cotesville intentionally
taking out of Chester County's congressional district.
and put into Amish country to limit the power of the black voters in this small Pennsylvania town.
This is a map that the Republicans drew that the Supreme Court has corrected and upheld fairer maps.
Now we have fair representation in Chester County and throughout Pennsylvania because of the Supreme Court's call to fairness.
How is the Supreme Court race playing?
First of all, for people, when is the election?
Is it this November or is it 26th?
No, the Supreme Court election is Tuesday, November 4th, and the polls are open.
And how many seats are up?
There are three retention seats.
So the Supreme Court retention is a yes or no vote, and it's a nonpartisan vote.
So it's not like a traditional vote for a Democrat or Republican.
It's not listed, but the three Supreme Court justices are Democrats that are up for retention.
and it's a simple vote yes or no.
And so that is going to likely be on the back of your ballot in Pennsylvania
because they can sometimes get buried in the ballot.
So it's important to vote yes
because there's seven people on the PA Supreme Court
and even if one of these Supreme Court justices lose their seat,
it could throw off the balance of power in Pennsylvania's court system.
And we've had a very fair court so far.
They've done things like protect,
the right to unionize, protect tenants, and protect workers.
And so we definitely have had a fair Supreme Court,
and they've been our last line of defense against our United States Supreme Court.
So we call it Scopa here, and we say not to be confused with SCOTIS,
so people can understand what we talk about the VA Supreme Court versus the U.S. Supreme Court.
And it's been a struck.
Are you seeing high engagement among us?
African-Americans regarding the state Supreme Court races?
Typically, people aren't very involved in judicial races in general.
We anticipated because Jeffrey S. had put a lot of money into the 2023 Supreme Court race,
that there would be a high influx of spending.
And so an organization like mine, one Pennsylvania, has been going to our chapter meetings
and talking to people about the Supreme Court race.
We also have organized a block-by-block.
program where people talk to their neighbors about elections.
And so we've been talking to people at their doors about the Supreme Court race because it's
just that important to us.
All right then.
Well, we certainly hope folks do get engaged and understand that keeping Republicans from
controlling state Supreme Court are so important because, again, we've seen what happened
in Wisconsin, Ohio, North Carolina, how when Republicans have controlled the state Supreme
Court, Texas as well, they have ruled against.
the interests of black people.
Absolutely.
And I think, like, what happened in Wisconsin,
Elon Musk made that the most expensive judicial race
in United States history.
And Musk said specifically that he was interested
in redistricting in Wisconsin,
and that's what got him involved in the race.
We see what's happening in Texas,
and we know that this is billionaire's playbooks
to take a lot of the money
and continue to have wealth disparity.
They want to have so many courts and no checks and balances
so they can continue to deregulate, to privatize,
and make sure that specifically poor and working class black people
do not have power in this country.
This is a specific playbook that comes out of the Reagan era.
All right.
Well, we appreciate it.
Keep up the good work. Thanks a lot.
Thank you so much.
All right, folks.
We've got to go to break.
We come back.
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man
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she just smacked
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So when Congress was voting on this DC bill
that dealt with the issue of crime
was introduced by Florida Congressman Byron Donald's.
He took to the floor of the house to share why he thought this bill should be passed.
Well, Consum and Jasmine Crockett, let's just say she had a few words for him, saying,
hmm, you're mighty hypocritical, Byron.
Here's what he said, and then what she said.
Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
I rise today in strong support of my bill, HR 4922, the D.C. Crimes Act.
Now, in reference to what the gentleman was just talking about, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the United States Constitution is quite clear.
It grants Congress the power to exercise exclusive jurisdiction over the federal district, which all Americans know now, is Washington, D.C., and it is the nation's capital.
That is in the Constitution that was ratified by the several states.
Congress does have the constitutional authority to regulate activities within the federal district.
So when it is said that somehow Congress is now eroding local control, that is simply not true.
Any local powers by the D.C. City Council have been granted to the D.C. City Council by Congress.
And Congress is the seat of authority when it comes to the federal enclave.
It was also talked about Florida's laws. Well, let's be very clear.
Florida has established itself as a beacon of law and order
and making sure that our citizens are safe through all of our jurisdictions.
So if there are some abilities for some measures of flexibility,
Florida has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt
that it knows how to keep its people safe.
Very different with respect to the D.C. City Council
and with respect to crime, escalated crime here in the nation's capital.
Our great nation's capital has been played by violence, destruction, disorder,
far too long and decades of weak pro-crime leadership has turned this once great city into
a dystopia. I would remind my colleagues on the other side of the aisle that some of their
colleagues have been victimized by the crime here in Washington, D.C. Rather than prioritizing
the safety and the safety of law-abiding and protecting the lives of innocent residents
and visitors, district officials have actively facilitated dysfunction and chaos through
their progressive soft-on-crime policies. Instead of addressing the clear epidemic of youth crime
in the city, the D.C. City Council increased the age of youth offenders to individuals 24 years,
old and younger, meaning fully grown legal adults in the District of Columbia can receive sentences
meant for children. This is simply insane. And that is why I introduced the D.C. Crimes Act,
which lowers the definition of youth from under the age of 25 to under the age of 18,
the ability of judges to sentence youth offenders below mandatory minimum guidelines and requires
the D.C. Attorney General to establish a public website containing much-needed statistics
on juvenile crime in D.C. The Trump administration's efforts have shown that lawlessness is a choice
and it is time for Congress to step up, adhere to our constitutional duty, and firmly address
crime in the nation's capital.
For the citizens of D.C., I would say, we wish your counsel did this the right way, but they did not, and we will act.
I yield back the balance of my time.
As I sat and listened to the beginning of this debate, my heart simply broke, and many people know me for being able to do alliterations,
and all I could think about was amnesia allows adolescent accountability avoidance, agility from across the aisle.
work with me for a second. Imagine being a young man born to Jamaican and Panamanian parents
who messed up not once but twice. Imagine standing in front of a judge with your whole future
hanging in the balance and instead of prison, you are given a promise of mercy. Your record gets
wiped clean. You get a second chance at life. Now imagine taking that promise and turning it
into promotion. You go to college, you get a job, and even become a member of Congress. That's
what redemption looks like. That's what America is supposed to be about. And that is exactly
the story of the next wannabe governor from Florida. As a young man, he went through pretrial
diversion for misdemeanor marijuana possession. As an adult yet younger than 24, he was
charged with and ultimately placed on probation for felony bribery charges, which ultimately
were too expunged. He was given a third chance, and now he's the face of a bill that would not
afford young people in Washington, D.C., the same opportunities afforded to him.
Let me be real. If he had grown up under Donald Trump's America or under the very D.C. crime
bill he's pushing today, he wouldn't be standing here as a member of Congress.
He'd still be living with the weight of those charges. So let's call this what it is,
opportunities for me, but not for thee. He climbed the ladder of redemption, and now he's yanking
it right up from the D.C. youth. See, most of us were taught to
lift as you climb, but clearly some have forgotten to lift as they climb, and now they are
committed to telling the next generation to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
I will not sit quiet while a man who was saved by grace turns around and tries to snatch grace
away from others.
If we're going to be real about crime, about communities, about—
The gentlelady's time has expired.
I'd like to yield for an additional minute, please.
The gentlewoman is recognized.
About second chances and even third chances, then it needs to start with us looking in the mirror
and remembering that even the author of this bill has a story too before he tries to lecture D.C. on safety.
And it would be complete hypocrisy to have, hypothetically, someone convicted of 34 felonies
to lecture D.C. on what to do with youthful offenders who have been scientifically shown
not to have fully developed brains
under the age of 25,
especially if said
multi-count convicted felon
was in his 70s when he was convicted.
What would be his excuse?
Because his brain would be fully developed
and with that I will yield back.
Well, Tilek seems like
somebody had to remind by RedaDonald's
about his past and saying,
Hold up, player.
If you didn't have any mercy,
your ass wouldn't be standing here
kissing Trump's ass in the house.
Absolutely.
As a saying go,
she ate that, ate that,
left no crones behind.
And I think it's very clear
that the same folks who go around
arguing about crime is the same ones
who is on the men.
you per se. And it's just crazy to me how clownish Byron Donald's is. And instead of trying
to tell D.C. what to do, first and foremost, I'll say free D.C., D.C. statehood. And I totally
agree with Congresswoman's Crockett's righteous anger because true community safety of investing
in the Breed Act, investing in violence, prevention, mental health, and economic opportunity.
And yet this Congress is doing the exact opposite, but trying to patrol and control what the
citizens of D.C. and how their how their what safety means to them and so I totally agree and
congressman crockett yeah she ate that she clocked his tea I mean Larry I mean you can't make
this up how hypocritical uh the help Byron Adonels is to stand there knowing full well what he did
before he turned 18 and I'm really I'm glad she she highlighted that I knew this story and have known
about obviously being in the state.
And listen, this goes back to my point
about communication style.
You see the way she dissected him,
roasted, and then put him in the oven
and left them in there.
And so, yeah, it's hypocritical.
I'm a former Washingtonian, you know,
I've talked about it before, and I,
my heart aches for the young black males
that if this becomes law,
are they going to suffer and never have the opportunity
for first and second chances?
Roland, let me highlight.
You just heard Head Seth earlier talk about giving grown men who make mistakes in the armed services
and making sure that doesn't follow up in the rest of the career.
But they are not interested in extending that same kind of grace to young black and brown males and females in Washington, D.C., which is hypocritical.
You know, it's just, Mustafa, I mean, these folks are amazing.
And for him to stand there and talk about how proud he is of his.
Bill and
okay, first of all,
you know what, in case the folks
missed it. Let's just hear
Crockett lay out again
exactly
the nefarious activities
Byron
Donald's was engaged in
before he was 18.
As I sat
and listened to the beginning of this
debate, my heart
simply broke
and many people know me
for being able to do all
I could think about was amnesia allows
adolescent accountability avoidance,
agility from across the aisle.
So work with me for a second.
Imagine being a young man born to Jamaican
and Panamanian parents who messed up not once but twice.
Imagine standing in front of a judge
with your whole future hanging in the balance
and instead of prison, you are given a promise of mercy.
Your record gets wiped clean.
you get a second chance at life.
Now imagine taking that promise and turning it into promotion.
You go to college, you get a job, and even become a member of Congress.
That's what redemption looks like.
That's what America is supposed to be about.
And that is exactly the story of the next wannabe governor from Florida.
As a young man, he went through pretrial diversion for misdemeanor marijuana possession.
As an adult yet younger than 24, he was charged with and ultimately placed on
probation for felony robbery charges, which ultimately were too expunged. He was given a third
chance, and now he's the face of a bill that would not afford young people in Washington, D.C.,
the same opportunities afforded to him. Let me be real. If he had grown up under Donald Trump's
America or under the very D.C. crime bill he's pushing today, he wouldn't be standing here
as a member of Congress. He'd still be living with the weight of those charges.
So let's call this what it is, opportunities for me, but not for thee.
He climbed the ladder of redemption, and now he's yanking it right up from the D.C. youth.
See, most of us were taught to lift as you climb, but clearly some have forgotten to lift as they climb,
and now they are committed to telling the next generation to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
I will not sit quiet while a man who was saved by grace turns around and tries to snatch grace away from others.
If we're going to be real about crime, about communities, about-
General Lady's time has expired.
I'd like to yield for an additional minute, please.
Generalwoman is recognized.
About second chances and even third chances, then it needs to start with us looking in the mirror
and remembering that even the author of this bill has a story too
before he tries to lecture D.C. on safety.
And it would be complete hypocrisy to have, hypothetically,
someone convicted of 34 felonies to lecture D.C. on what to do with youthful offenders who have been
scientifically shown not to have fully developed brains under the age of 25, especially if said
multi-count convicted felon was in his 70s when he was convicted. What would be his excuse?
Because his brain would be fully developed. And with that, I will yield back.
Dr. Dapha?
What do you say to that?
I guess we start with, oh, skin folk and kinfolk.
You know, kinfolk actually focus on how do we help to heal our community.
How do we make sure that our community has the resources they need,
especially young people, to navigate all the challenges that are placed in front of them.
Skinfolk forget where they come from.
Skinfolk also stand up in front of America and lie to America.
They forget the fact that they come from a state that is in the top 20 for murder.
They forget that they also had 1,066 murders in the last statistics that we have in front of us,
and they had 30 mass shootings.
So Kenfolk love our community.
They do everything in their ability to make sure that we have what we need to move from surviving to thriving,
while skinfolk just want to be able to fill their pockets and to get a little bit of the master's power.
And that's why I call these black-faced MAGA folks the help.
All right, going to break when we come back.
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All right, you've got some really racist, white preachers out here.
they can run around
they can talk about how Charlie Kirk loved Jesus
Christ and all those sort of stuff but
he made a lot of racist comments
and these things
happened so
well I'm about to show you took place a couple of years ago
so this white man, his name is Mike
Keller and
he was
delivering a sermon
that
was pretty crazy he was speaking at
Fair Park Baptist Church
y'all y'all got down here where is fair park that y'all y'all don't have the city and state in here which i don't understand why so i need y'all to tell you to tell me so we tell me where this is
fair park baptist church he was a guest speaker and this is what he had to say this is how you change america okay in my humble opinion
Hey, think about it, 150 years ago, or 200 years ago when the blacks were slaves,
did they ever go to Washington, D.C., and have a rally 200 years ago to protest against slavery?
Did they?
No.
What did they do?
Well, a lot of good people in the plantations would say, hey, it's wintertime.
Let us help build a church for you.
dear folks. And they loved them and taught them how to read so they can read the Bible. And here's
what the blacks did about 150 years ago. They humbled themselves. They prayed. They sought God's
face and they turned from their wicked ways. And God made slavery illegal through several white
presidents, right? It worked, didn't it? They didn't protest? Maybe there's a place for protest. I don't
know, but there's sometimes
that was a wise pastor
that warned his flock.
Okay, did he say did the slaves not
leave the protest?
Running again.
This is how you change America,
okay?
In my humble opinion,
hey, think about it.
150 years ago, or
200 years ago when the black
were slaves. Did they ever go to Washington, D.C. and have a rally 200 years ago to protest against
slavery? Did they? No. What did they do? Well, a lot of good people in the plantations
would say, hey, it's wintertime. Let us help build a church for you, dear folks. And they
loved them and taught them how to read so they can read the Bible. And here's what the
blacks did about 150 years ago, they humbled themselves. They prayed. They sought God's face
and they turned from their wicked ways and God made slavery illegal through a several white
presidents, right? It worked, didn't it? They didn't protest? Maybe there's a place for
protest. I don't know. But there's sometimes it's, that was a wise pastor.
that warned his flock.
Yeah, the church released this statement.
Fair Park Baptist Church affirms that racism and slavery
are wrong, sinful, and violate the scriptures
as a part of our faith.
We would never condone slavery
or tolerate any kind of prejudice against people of color.
Did y'all hear anybody in that church object?
No.
Did y'all, do y'all see what I'm saying?
This is what we're talking about here.
Did nobody object in the church?
Did nobody say, that's some nonsense you saying right here, y'all see what I'm talking about?
So this is, when we're talking about white Christian nationalism, this is exactly what we're talking about.
This is the stuff that gets preached.
Now, Fair Park Baptist Church, y'all, is located in Fort Worth, Texas.
What's Fort Worth, Texas?
It's the last major county in Texas.
That's a red county.
Okay?
So we see these things.
We hear these things over and over and over again.
So here's Pastor Brian Carter.
He leads Concord Baptist Church in Dallas.
You're speaking in Tulsa.
we should go talking about white Christian nationalism listen some people would rather see you
in chains than to see you changed some people would rather see you living below than to live
above and end your full potential some people don't want to see you free don't want to see you
liberated don't want to see you living in all the power and the potential that God has called you to
have on your life. And sad to say, sometimes your own family can't see all that God has called
you to do. Some people want to see you in change. I don't want to see you changed. You don't
believe me looking around at the current administration. It's trying to put us back in chains.
Trying to take us back to pre-civil rights era. They are fighting every legislative game that we've
made over the last 70 years trying to limit economic opportunities eliminating DEI and other
opportunities for us to get at the table trying to limit freedom of speech trying to limit the fair
housing act trying to limit and do voter suppression trying to minimize and water down the vote of black
people there they are trying to remove every game that we've made and then have the nerve that talk about
merit and put the most unqualified, disqualified people and cronies in position talking about
you're doing merit.
You talk about they want to see us in change.
They don't want to see us change.
They are trying to limit everything that we've gained over 70 years, trying to take us all
the way back by white white washing history saying slavery benefited us.
Listen, we were already benefited in Africa.
Black excellence is not something new.
Your white supremacy didn't bless us.
We were blessed by God from the foundations of the earth.
They want to put us in change, not see change.
But what they don't know, we're not new to this.
We true to this.
And we will show up.
We will strategize and mobilize and educate and vote.
We will not have it.
The more you hold us back, the more will rise up.
This is the world that we live in, white Christian nationalism growing by the day,
an arena full of people trying to make a martyr out of a man that was obviously a racist and devices.
Some people don't want to see you liberated.
They want to take us back in time.
but you and I must keep doing the work that God has called us to do.
We must keep raising up our own, keep investing in black people,
keep showing up the vote, keep serving on boards,
keep raising our kids, keep raising our schools, keep raising our communities.
We can do a lot by ourselves.
The reason this is so important and the reason we are showing y'all,
And let me real clear, all y'all are out there,
if your pastor has been speaking on white Christian nationalism,
send us an email, go to rollinousmartin.com,
click contact, and send us an email.
Y'all can send us the clip,
y'all can send us all of that.
But I need you to understand.
We're showing this for a reason
because we need more and more and more.
preachers who are speaking against white
Christian nationalism. You need to
understand what is going on. You need to be aware
of how pervasive this is. You need to understand and
watching out for what's happening. You had so many people, Larry,
who were posting things such as, well, if your
pastor didn't say anything about Charlie Kirk, you should leave
that church. And really what they were talking,
about, this was the Sunday after he was shot and killed, if he wasn't praising Charlie Kirk,
you had some black folks who were posting on social media that they left some churches
because you had some white pastors, the game that they were playing.
But we need to understand what these people are doing and why they are doing it and what
they're trying to do.
They are absolutely mixing Christianity and MAGA politics together, and they're trying to position
this whole thing as if the
people who are lovers of
Christ can only be MAGA.
Charlie Kirk literally said
you cannot be a Christian
and be a Democrat. You have that
crazy MAGA preacher out of Tennessee
who literally said if
you are in this church and you vote for a Democrat
get out right now.
This is who these people are
and we must understand
this is their agenda.
These people have
attempted to
store the gospel, Roland, let's be clear about that. And for people watching, let's remember,
we talked about this intersection of violence and, you know, white Christian nationalism,
the KKK is a great example. And throughout history, you know, we talked, that pastor in Fort Worth
who talked about, you know, talk about our formerly enslaved ancestors as, as if they did matter
and, you know, and also be connected to the white savior concept. But the reality is, is that
These folks will continue to use religion as a tool to beat black folks with.
And that's the bottom line.
And, you know, Roland, I was raised A&E, and I'm used to hearing, you know,
past is going to pulpit and talk truth to power.
And so we need to continue to do that.
We need all black leaders, whether it's, you know,
whether it's Christian or Muslim, et cetera,
to highlight the hypocrisy we're seeing the United States and a danger it is to
to black folks in this country
because what we're going to see over the next couple months
and years is more extreme violence
and we need to be prepared for that. But you can't
use religion, particularly Christianity
as a shield
when once again like I said, you're using
as a tool to harm black folks.
You know, Mustafa, you know,
we dropped a video
on our YouTube channel.
We dropped it
three weeks ago.
This is, remember I was in
Jeffrey Osborne
Golf Celebrity Golf Class
again. The video is Black
Pastors Torch Unsetling
Sanonization of Kurt's
Hateful Legacy. We've already
crossed a million views
on that particular video.
Come on, switch.
We've crossed a million views on that video.
And what we've been doing is, so what we're going to do is
actually putting together a different video
and adding to it. The conversation we had yesterday
with that white pastor from Georgia was
was so powerful because he called out,
listen, in 10 hours, actually less than that,
we were approaching 100,000 that video as well.
I think that's going to take off as well.
And I really hope people who missed yesterday's show
really go to our YouTube channel
and listen to the full conversation that we had with Pastor Deese.
This is the video,
White Preacher Tares into Right Wing Embrace
of White Christian Nationalism.
Folks, go watch this.
Go check this out.
Yeah, 71,000, almost 7,000 2,000 views in six hours.
Because this is what we're contending with.
These people want to berate us with Christianity,
and they are actually convincing some of these crazy black folks
who say, oh, no, no, they love Jesus.
Well, you can't keep saying you love Jesus,
but you against the policies of Jesus.
Right.
These are the same folks that, you know, use that type of language, but they forget these are the same individuals, their grandchildren and great-grandchildren, you know, who used to watch on Saturday night as people were being lynched and then come sit in the pews on Sunday and ministers knowing that individuals who are in their audience played a role, not just in the subjugation of black folks, but actually in watching black bodies burn and be castrated. So let's be real about religion in America and the role that it is.
is plagued with devastating effects in our community.
I appreciate what you are doing and others bringing forward
the truth because real spirituality doesn't allow space
for lies or misinformation or disinformation.
It doesn't allow individuals to stand in the pulpit
and not realize that there were over 250 revolts
or uprisings by our people.
We did not sit idly by and just accept slavery
or being enslaved people.
We continue to fight back.
It's not just about Denmark VC or Nat Turner, both of those important stories, but there was many others who pushed back.
So our preachers, our ministers, our imams have a responsibility to push back against this.
And we have a responsibility also to support the individuals who are standing up in this moment because they're going to take some heat.
And they should not have to take that heat without having the understanding that we are going to wrap our arms around them
and protect them.
So that's what being community is all about.
And that's why these voices
that you're bringing forward
and others are so incredibly important
in this moment.
Talek, I mean, this is,
folks need to understand
what these right-wingers are doing.
You see how they're going crazy
over bad bunny.
They're like, oh, we're in the middle
of a Christian revival.
No, we are in the middle
of white, right-wing,
conservative evangelical Christians
prostituting the word to fulfill their political desire.
Absolutely.
And let this be a clarion call to more churches and faith leaders
to return to the prophetic role of speaking truth to power
because too many pulpits have become quiet when our communities need courage.
And this is a reminder that Jesus wasn't polite in the face of injustice.
He was a table overturner.
He confronted systems of exploitation, hypocrisy,
head on. And yet today, I think, you know, we could sometimes tiptoe around politics and
afraid to offend while people suffer under racism and poverty and violence. And the gospel is not
about, it's not about comfort for the powerful, but it's really about the liberation for
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Well, I lost my job and my parakeet is missing.
How is your day?
But the real world is different.
Managing life's challenges can be overwhelming.
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The oppressed and the church must reclaim is radical voice.
And I think what you're doing and what many pastors are doing to confront what's happening is important.
And as I said before, the church is in a moment where we must reclaim our radical voice and our radical love for the liberation of the oppressed, as Jesus would do.
Absolutely. That has to happen.
All right, y'all, quick break.
We come back.
Time for our marketplace segment, shop blackstarnetwork.com marketplace segment.
Back in a moment.
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Join us on this week's episode as we
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You're watching, Rolling Mark.
Until two.
All right, for all of y'all who love to wash your car, that is not me.
I'm just letting y'all know.
I am not spending all that damn time trying to wash your car.
But the creator of 5W auto cleansing accessories provides high-performance cleaning products
that deliver showroom results without compromising your environment.
Rick Pott's CEO of 5W Auto, joining us from Cerritos, California.
Glad to have you here.
So let's talk about it.
First of all, let me be real clear, okay?
All right, I know there are people, I post this all the time.
I know that people out that they love, my homeboy called me.
He was like, man, I'm going to wash my car.
He said, I'm old school.
I got to wash it myself.
I said, there's way too much time, bro, on the car.
I will go hit some golf balls.
But knock yourself out.
I will pull into a car wash.
So let's take us through.
So first of all, guys, so do you still wash your own car?
I do indeed.
Why?
I'm doing dude.
Like, what does it do for you?
I'm just asking.
It's cute for me, Roland.
As far as if you're stressed out, you know, it's a way to calm down.
It's a way to relax.
If you've been to a tonal car wash, it's a way to eliminate complaints.
It's to get the results that you want.
And if you're environmentally speaking like us,
saving 40 gallons of water to do so,
makes all the sense of the world to us.
So how long take you to watch your car?
I watch it every week, 35 to 40 minutes.
Every week?
Every week.
Man, please.
Listen, if I watch my damn car once every three months, that's a miracle.
I ain't paying no attention to that car.
That's just me.
That's just me.
Roland, on top of all that, too, there's a bit of exercise to it.
You know, listen, we're not here to deceive anybody.
I mean, there's a little bit of hardworking exercise to it.
But, you know, I think once you get your car on a weekly regimen, it gets easier.
And, you know, I say 40 minutes.
I can probably do it in 27 minutes.
you know, from really being efficient about my time.
That's why I go walk nine holes.
I get the exercise.
All right, so let's talk about here.
All right, so we got tire shine.
We've got waterless, wash, and wax.
Yes.
And then we've got wheel cleaner.
All right.
Take us through these products.
What makes your products so different and unique?
Roland to answer that, it's a system.
and then when I say a system,
you know, if you look at those bottles,
those bottles are color-coded.
We're not trying to confuse the public.
All right, so we got orange, we got blue.
Yes, sir.
You got red.
Yes.
And so what makes that system different is,
listen, when you get the towels with those bottles,
there's no confusion.
When you pick up those bottles,
you pick them up with confidence,
you pick them up with, hey, listen,
if I need to clean the wheels,
I clean the wheels.
If I need to do the body,
the blue bottles for the body,
And then we clean it up with the tire shine as far as, it's kind of like, hey, let's put the finishing touches on it.
So, and when I say the differentiator role to your question, essentially when you take those five bottles that we have, minus the odor eliminator, if you're on your front driveway and they say you're down in Houston, and Houston is having a water restriction in your area, and you want to wash your car.
If they shut down, let's just say it hypothetically, the water is your tonal car wash.
What are you going to do?
So having that as a backdrop, we're in Los Angeles as far as L.A. County, drought conditions,
super drought conditions here.
And it's getting more and more pressure to say, listen, we need to find ways to conserve water.
And this system allows you to do that.
Okay.
So allows you to conserve water.
So you're calling this water-saving eco-friendly.
Okay, walk me through.
How is this water saving?
So if I, so when it's time to, hold on a sec, which one is here?
All right, so, all right, so let's see.
So when it's time to wash the car, I ain't got no water,
so you're saying that if I'm not using any water,
I can use the waterless wash and wax to wash the car using no water.
Absolutely.
That 16-ounce bottle rolling, I can clean my car, a mid-sized sedan,
with four ounces of that magic.
Hold up.
Oh, look, you can watch the whole car with four ounces of this.
So this is 60 ounces.
So you're saying no water, you can wash your car four times with this one bottle.
That's correct.
Okay.
Four times a month.
So that four times a month on that, we call that RTU, which is ready to use.
So four ounces of that, once a week, four times a month, you're saving 40 gallons of water.
It's 160 gallons a month.
So, okay, so what are you doing?
I mean, are you doing the four ounces into something else?
Are you putting, are the four ounces going on the towel here?
I mean, just walk me through that process.
Good question.
Let me real clear, I ain't going to do it, but somebody watching going to do it.
I'm just like, Roe ain't washing nothing, but go ahead.
No, good point.
If you start, traditionally at our shops, we had a shop over in Beverly Hills
that we started in 2016 and we shut that shop down in 2022 to stop essentially washing the cars
and sell this product. And so Roland, what you would get is if you started from your hood
and worked from your hood, say, down to that front quarter panel and you spray this product
on, you let it sit there. This product, it's registered and trademarked at the U.S. Patent
Office. So obviously there's something in it to say, listen, you know what, we are not here
to hurt the car. We're not here to hurt the user and we're definitely not here to hurt the environment.
And if you let this product sit there for 30, 40 seconds, you will literally see this product breaking the light to medium soil down on your car.
You wiping horizontal lines and you wipe from top to bottom.
If you just work your way around the car as far as to that front door, the back door, the back quarter panel, essentially, and you work your way around to the other side doing the same thing from top to bottom, spray this magic on there as far as the watch plus wax, and you let it work.
it'll break down the dirt.
We use quality, quality microfiber towels.
Roland, that's really important.
These chemicals, these formulas,
and these towels work together.
You have to use essentially together
to get those professional grade results.
Okay, so how do you come up with this?
Like, when you're sitting around going,
damn, we're using way too much water.
Or were you saying, man, I'm tired of my hands
shriveling up because of all this water?
What happened?
My uncle was a biochemist at Exx on mobile.
And he used to come out from Houston to, I live in L.A. now.
And he used to come out for the summers and he used to be like, hey, Rick, you know what, let's clean your car.
And he had a something that wasn't exactly environmentally safe, I will admit.
But he said, hey, Rick, if you really want to get serious with this, you know, get you a chemist, get your own formulations, run it, test it.
And essentially, you know, it can't be done.
But obviously, you know, if you're doing something of what I'm bringing and using against your car,
you can't do that retail as far as it's not it's not consumer safe now now when you
looking at your uncle saying bro you want me to go get a chemist about washing a car
are you serious what oh you're saying dog is soap water and a sponge believe me it wasn't
salt water and a sponge he was using but but essentially that it was something that kind
of stuck rolling seriously and and as it was something that stuck um i worked in corporate america
I worked in corporate finance, but on the weekends,
I would clean cars, and I would get the comments,
and I would get the results, and they were like, man,
you know, your car is always this, your car is always that.
And it's just something that stuck, Row.
And I left corporate America as far as corporate finance,
and I said, listen, start my own company, and here we are.
I mean, we're still, we're still at it.
All right, so we wash, so we, so four ounces.
So this bottle here will get us four washes.
Now, after, after y'all washed the car,
I ain't going to say we.
What do we go to next?
We go to the tire shine, or do we go to the wheel cleaner?
The wheel cleaner.
All right, so the wheel cleaner is next.
Very good.
There's a cadence.
So we would start with the body, right?
Number two, the cadence is the wheel cleaner, right?
Because essentially, if your car is light to medium soil, we would have on gloves.
So the gloves are listening.
We're trying to keep your hands as clean as possible.
Okay.
There's a reason for that.
So blue, we would start with the body.
Number two, orange wheel cleaner, we would start with the wheels.
spray that magic on 30 seconds.
You won't send your nose, nothing harmful,
as far as the chemical,
nothing harmful.
You work your way around,
one, two, three, four wheels.
After you're done with the wheels rolling,
number three, would be tire shine.
We're going to put that tire shine on number three.
The gloves are still on.
Got it.
We're trying to protect your hands.
All right, so now, now do we have gloves on
washing for wireless washing,
wax?
We gloves the whole time.
We recommend it.
And is it any gloves?
Is it the late test gloves?
Just some late test gloves.
Okay.
Some light, light, like, because essentially we're trying to keep your hands clean because there's a really, there's a, the number four process is really, you know, why we do that.
And so, so if you start with number one with the wash plus wax, your gloves are on.
Number two, you come back with the wheel cleaner, you clean the wheels, safe for all surface types as far as wheels.
Number three, you use the tire shine.
Listen, some people like the tire shine.
Some people don't.
We prefer it.
We love it. Our customers love it.
So that's one, two, three.
Okay.
When you're done with those one, two, three steps, we take those gloves off.
We clean your hands.
We clean your hands with essentially a wipe, right?
We want to get the moisture.
We want to get the grind.
We want to get the soil off your hands.
Because when we get the step four as far as the windows, we want clean hands.
And we spray that yellow as far as that glass cleaner on those windows with that yellow glass towel.
and if you, again, wiping horizontal lines,
you will see very clearly as far as the power of, like, listen,
these windows will probably look about as good as they've ever looked
as far as when you first bought the car.
Okay.
All right.
Let me go to my panel here, so let me see.
Which of these three lackly spinning?
They're tearing their car.
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they just blurt it out and move on.
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How is your day?
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Probably you, Tyler.
Look, I hear y'all take washing cars serious in L.A.
And I love the feeling when a car is freshly washed or detailed,
and it's that fresh, you know, clean scent.
Yes, sir.
That's 5W auto cleaning offering products that offer, like, a signature fragrance
or option that gives, like, that sensory experience, like, while cleaning.
Good, good question.
and I will say to your statement, L.A.,
you will see some clean cards out here.
As far as Auto Eliminator, we saved that for last.
Roland, I'm not sure if Rowland can put that up
as far as it's a purple bottle.
We have a purple bottle player.
No, I don't think I had a purple bottle player.
Hold on, wait, wait, wait.
No, no, no.
There should be a purple bottle there.
McKenzie, where to bottle at?
McKenzie!
But to answer that question,
we will finish it off with the odor lemonade.
You know, pet stains, I'm sorry, pet scents.
If you have food scents in your car, some people smoke, it will eliminate it.
You're supposed to give me all the bottles.
See, that's right.
That's why you're on TV right now.
Purple is there.
That's why you're on TV.
Thank you, you're supposed to give me the towels.
McKenzie, you're going to be the producer.
You're supposed to produce.
So, so to the answer.
All right, so hold, let's go on back.
Hold on.
This McKinsey fine did her job.
Okay.
Eliminator.
All right, the purple one.
All right.
So, odor eliminator.
I got odor eliminator, then I got a glass cleaner.
Okay, go ahead.
Sir.
Roland, I'll tell you what, if you go ahead and open that purple
and just kind of spritz it in the air,
maybe you can tell your panel what that smells like.
Man, I ain't about to spray this stuff in the air.
What's wrong with you?
You can smell it there too.
Just smell it there and just tell me,
if you smell that in your interior cabin,
what do you think that smells like?
It's pretty good, right?
What does that smell like?
First of all, I'm stuck.
stuffy right now, so I really can't smell a damn thing.
I really can't smell a damn thing right now.
I'm stuffy, but go ahead.
It didn't hurt your nose, right?
No, it didn't hurt my nose at all.
Actually, and it's not an over-pike, see, the part of the problem
when you get your car watch, it's an overpowering smell.
So it's actually, so it's not, it's not like a really loud smell,
but it's not a flat, so it's right there in the middle.
Right, right.
So I think to answer the panelist's question, you know,
this is what we finish the car off with.
You can spray it. There's a black towel
that comes with that odor of liminator.
We don't suggest directly spraying it
on leather or cloth seats. Sprayed on the towel.
You can work your way around the cabin
as far as the carpet areas
of the interior. Oh, hold up, hold up.
So, hold up. We got the color-coded tiles too?
Yes, sir. Okay, all right. So
that go with the orange, that go with
red. Correct. That go
with the blue.
Correct. What the hell is going with?
What is this?
Yellow goes with the yellow to your right there.
All right.
Oh, so hold up.
That's yellow.
All right.
So what this tile go to?
Hey, come on.
Water shot, water shot.
What does it go to?
Now, that one rolling, that one we call plush, dessert.
So after you're done with those windows on step four, I was talking about earlier,
you're going to use that plush.
And if there's any excess haze on the windows, that plush towel will get your windows.
It's absolutely crystal clear and clean.
Okay.
All right.
I said, hold up.
Now, I got the red, I got the orange, the blue.
Where the purple towel?
What goes with the turp purple?
The purple towel, essentially, essentially...
I'm just messing with it.
I know what you're doing.
This is the odor eliminated.
Ain't no towel.
Right, right, right, there you go.
Essentially, I'm like, you don't, you know, put air freshener sense in your car with a towel.
Ain't no towel.
But, you know, black, as far as black, I mean, you know, purple, we could make it
percol, but black, I mean, do you really need a towel to put the odor eliminated in your car?
so okay all right larry yeah so congratulations on
on this and you know having you hear this evening can talk about where people can
can buy the products is it is there boy shop blackstart network
dot com larry this is the shop blackstart network dot com marketplace segment
you can buy it on rolling so wrong you can find it you can find it on shop redback
no no you're going to buy it on shop
Blackstar Network.com, Larry.
Larry, keep up, Larry.
What I meant is
if you get it there,
right, and then say, you know,
you need to order a lot of them.
Easy. You order a lot of them from shop
blackstar network.com.
There, let me help
you out again, Larry. This is called
the Shop Blackstar
Network.com
marketplace segment.
So if you're trying to buy the five
auto products, I
need you to go to shop
blackstarnetwork.com,
Larry.
That's exactly what I just
said. I just said that.
And when you go to shop blackstarnetwork
dot com to buy the products,
you're also helping
fund blackstar network
dot com.
And you get a discount, right? You get a discount.
It's on the website.
It's there.
Let me go to Mustafa,
because Larry clearly don't know what the segment is.
Mustafa, what's the question?
Oh, bad.
I got my head down.
Yeah, so first of all, thank you, brother.
This is incredibly important.
I mean, getting real serious,
280 million vehicles on the road,
100 billion gallons used every year
for car washes and other folks cleaning their cars.
And Rick, just so you know,
Mustafa is one of the biggest environmentalists,
one of the biggest black environmentalists.
So, you know, he is loving.
the saving of the water
with the product,
Mustafa, going right here.
Yeah, so, you know,
yeah, please go ahead.
No, brother Mustafa,
I agree with you
on your social
and your environmental concerns
because, you know,
when we think about future generations,
it's not something just
we're talking to talk,
we're walk to walk,
and we are serious about,
listen, we want your car clean,
you want your car clean,
but we're trying to find
a more responsible,
sustainable way to do it
and saving of the 40 to 50 gallons
of water per use,
who's going to disagree with that going forward?
So, y'all, so we got five different bottles.
You've got five different towels, the four towels.
Come on, come on, come on, come on.
Anthony, wake up.
Come on, man, you've got to be faster.
Thank you.
All right, I got the five bottles.
I got the four tiles right here.
Then I got the plush towel right here for your windows as well.
So, Rick, do you sell this as a package or individual?
To answer your question, Roland, we sell both.
Each one of those bottles you can buy individually or that exterior bundle,
which I send you includes the five bottles and the five towels.
Gotcha.
All right then.
So, folks, if y'all want, this is 5W Auto.
If y'all want to get this for all your car enthusiasts, Larry, where do they go?
You know, shop marketplace.
You got to go to shop.
No, Larry.
They go to shop black star.
Larry, Larry, Larry, Larry, I'm trying to bill you out, Larry.
Larry, they go to the market.
I just said that.
Larry, they go to the market.
No, Larry.
No, you say shop marketplace.
No, Larry.
They go to the marketplace at shop blackstar network.com.
Repeat after me.
Marketplace.
Larry, where do they go?
go to shop
shop they go to a black
shop the marketplace right they go to the marketplace
Larry Larry my god Larry
oh my God Larry
Larry Larry they go to the marketplace
at Shop Blackstar
Network Tyler can you please
do this for me please
Tyler
I'm sorry I'm sorry
yeah they'll go to shop blackstar
network dot com you can find
look they're already in the comments saying they're already
purchasing so you must say you sold them already
there you go
oh my god
how is it
see see rick you gotta understand
Larry is a professor
so he used to giving damn lectures
he ain't used to having a you know
do some work like his student
so
my lord
y'all the product is
5W auto
show the website again
it's the marketplace
our marketplace
on shop
black
Blackstar network.com.
No, do not show the graphic.
I want to see the website.
Thank you.
Show the website.
That's the product.
Larry ain't figured it out yet.
It's shop blackstar network.com.
Y'all, we got a plethora of black-owned businesses on the website.
5W. Auto.
Rick, I appreciate this here.
Man, thanks a bunch.
Let's see.
Somebody told me, Roland, you can at least clean your wheels.
No.
See, so what I'm going to do is.
What I'm going to do is when I go get the car wash, I'm going to bring this with me,
and I'm going to tell them, spray this on the wheels to clean the rims, but I'm...
Rolling, if you, if you, rolling, if you, do you need to clean the windows?
Do you get bird droppings on your car?
You can, listen, we make a three, Rick, Rick, yeah, you don't do it.
Rick, Rick, Rick, Rick, let me explain something to you.
I just want you to understand, Rick, I want you to understand.
I prayed to the Lord a very specific prayer.
years ago.
I said, God,
I need you to bless me with enough
money to do three things.
I'm from Houston. Number one, run my air
conditioner all day.
Because it wasn't nothing like growing
up in Houston and my dad got that damn
AC on 80 and we
sweating in the damn heat.
I put this sucker on
65, okay?
Matter of fact, him and my mama at my house right
now, they're freezing
send me because I pay the light bill.
So that's number one.
Number two, Lord, I need enough money to valet park when the hell I want to.
I couldn't stand having a, but they had to parking way to hell out.
We had to walk to them all at long as, no, I could valet park.
And number three, Larry, to make enough money where I can call people to do the work that I...
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When I smoke weed, I get lost in the music.
I like to isolate each instrument.
The rhythmic bass, the harmonies on the piano,
the sticky melody.
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Careful, babe.
There's someone crossing the street.
Sorry, I didn't see them there.
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I do not want to do.
So I ain't fixing nothing, I ain't changing nothing,
I ain't washing nothing.
That ain't what I do.
So when the wash man decides to do the news,
then I will wash my car.
I ain't taking money off his table,
and he ain't taking money off my table.
So that's how I roll.
So for the people who love,
my man, Elroy Sayla, some over the weekend.
Elroy loves to wash his car.
I'm going to send him the,
send this
to him. He will love this
here, but
no, Rick, I am not
washing that car.
Understood. I understood. It's not for
everybody. I understood. Now, Rick,
if you had a solution to clean some
golf shoes, I'm with you on that.
But
we ain't washing that car. All right.
Rick, I appreciate it. Congratulations.
The whole last question. When did y'all start the business?
June 2020.
22, June 22.
All right then.
So y'all, 5W Auto again.
Let me go down the line here.
You got since, what's her name,
that little child McKenzie screwed it up.
So let me put this on that end over there.
So first and foremost, y'all, you got the waterless wash and mix.
Then y'all can go move to the wheel cleaner.
Then y'all can move to the tire shine.
Then y'all can do, hold up,
y'all can do the odor eliminator.
Rick, I go, I spray this, Rick.
I go in, at least I do this.
At least I do spray.
And then y'all, for the glass cleaner,
y'all can move to that.
You've got the tiles that color code right here.
It ain't hard to mix it up, so that way you ain't one going with the other.
And then, of course, you get a plush tile to add that special shine
on your glass, on your window.
All right, Rick, I appreciate it, man.
Thanks a bunch.
Thank you, Rowland.
Appreciate you guys.
All right, that's it for us.
Let me thank Mustafa.
Let me thank Tyler.
Larry, I don't know why you were acting like a Sigma today.
Oh, I owe the...
Hold on, man.
Come on that.
Come on that.
Oh, that's right.
Oh, that's right.
You better watch.
I don't know.
Come on, I mean, you act like, you know,
I mean, it's like, you were giving like...
You were giving Sigma and our older vibes today.
No, no, no, no, no.
Oh, always ice cold.
Come on now, come on now.
It's been a long day.
It's been a long day.
Oh, I forgot.
That's right, Tyler, you in that little youth group, you're a little Sigma?
We stroll the right way.
We don't do that stroll you be doing.
Okay, first of all, they're real clear with you.
First of all, alphas don't stroll.
We step.
Sorority stroll.
Let me help you out.
We step, sororities stroll.
So clearly sororities and zigma's stroll.
Well, you know, we are, I don't think y'all went step shows, do y'all?
Boy, you do not want to get your feelings hurt when it comes to stepping.
Now, you know, doggone well.
You got three, plus you got three-on-one on here.
You know, dog-on-well, y'all.
You know, dog-on-well, y'all can't step.
Don't eat me on the stage
Boy, please.
Don't even.
Between you and Terrell,
y'all, y'all can roll
and stroll, but y'all can't step.
So just letting y'all know.
Yeah, y'all, he ain't in control me.
He's another one of them listening.
First of all, I'm shocked.
I really am, because, you know,
I rarely meet Sigma's under 55.
So between Tilek and Terrell,
that's shocking.
All right, y'all, that's it.
Dalek, Mustafa, Larry, I appreciate
Thank you so very much.
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