#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Hegseth Blocks Black Officers’ Promotions. NC Court Ruling Shifts Power. MLK Legacy Remembered

Episode Date: April 4, 2026

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with white evangelicals in this country. It's a conversation you do not want to miss that I had with Pastor Chuck Baldwin. It's time to bring the funk on Roller Martin unfiltered. On the BlackSah Network, let's go. Pete Hedger said, defense secretary, grossly unqualified. is blocking black people and women from being promoted in the military.

Now, he's all about white male leadership. These senior officers have been targeted because of their race, gender, or association with the Biden administration's policies or officials. After Pete Hicks have told the Army Chief of Staff General Randy George to step down on Thursday, he also removed the Army Chief of Chaplains, William Green, who is serving that post since 2003. He's African American. Generally, a person serves as Army Chief of Chief of Chaplains for a four-year term. No reason was given publicly for Green's dismissal or even the Army Chief of Staff.

This is the first time in history the U.S. Army Chief of Chaplains has been fired by the Secretary of Defense. Keep in mind, Hicks had also fired the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Brown, My Alpha Brother. Joining us now from Baton Rouge, retired Army Lieutenant General Russell Honor Ray. General Honorer, glad to have you here. We can go down the line, the black folks who people work their butts off 20, 30 years to ascend to these positions and they have been unceremoniously dumped by Pete Hegg said. This is absolutely an attack on black people in the military and white women in the military. The Secretary of Heshaeg is running a two front war, one in Iran, one in the Pentagon,

and his culture war is against people of color and women. It's a part of his bro culture that only white men need to be in charge or need to apply. That is what he is, by his action, is what he's demonstrating to me. Yeah, and what people have to understand, again, General, explain to folk. When we talk about military promotions, this is not just willy-nilly. I mean, that is a real rigorous process. It's supposed to be apolitical, and these are people who have earned it. And by denying, you're denying them retirement benefits, an increase in salary and rank,

and they're forcing other people to, frankly, leave the military. Absolutely. There's a selection board. For one-star general, there's a group of 11 or 12, two-and-three-star generals will select the brigadier generals. And it's a very competitive process. I've sat on that board two times myself. and it's a very tough cut from Cardinal to General.

And the best of the best get selected. And you go around the room, and that's where people talk about what they know about that officer or issues they might have with him, and everybody independently vote. Then they send that to the Secretary of Army and the Chief of Staff of the Army for approval. And normally when that gets to the Secretary of the Army,

They'll be able to do another legal review to make sure there's no skeletons anywhere in the closet as far as regulatory issues. And then there's forwarded to the Secretary of Defense who would normally just rubber stamp this and send it on to the White House. Now, there have been issues where that list would get to the Senate and say the senators might have an issue with an officer on there or might want the Department of Defense to do something and they would hold the list up as Senator Tupperville did some years. ago, as you remember. But I've never seen this happen in open combat between the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of the Army. And I'm sure that was a part of the discussion is what I'm hearing on the street. With the Chief of Staff of the Army being fired is that he wanted to keep those officers on that list. And on top of that, there was a decision last week about chaplains. And what I suspect is the chief of chaplain said, hey, maybe we need to do this

a different way or should we discuss this? And any dissent in terms of the old line, dissent does not, I mean, the disagreement does not mean dissent. With Secretary Hedachach, if you push back on him or have a different opinion or say, hey, won't you look at it this way, that means dissent to him. But he does not understand that. And he'll look for any opportunity he can't to fire general. NBC news reporting this here. First of all, Pete Head says both, book he complained about wokeism in the military. And this is what they said on Thursday, Hexas fired the Army Chief of Staff, General Randy

George, whose term was expected to be four years ending in September 2, 2027. George, the Army's top officer, was senior military assistant to defense secretary, Lloyd Austin, than the Biden administration. George recently asked to meet with Heggseth to discuss Hegset's blocking of promotions for some army officers would seem to focus on women and black men, but Hegsett refused to meet or discuss his decisions according to two additional U.S. officials. The thing that's crazy here is, and you know the military well, the reality is we have Democratic presidents, Republican presidents. And typically what happens in the Pentagon is that you might have a Democrat president. who appoints his own, his own Secretary of Defense,

and they don't sit here and go, are you loyal to a Democrat, a loyal to a Republican, because the military is supposed to be apolitical. And so there are individuals who personally may be conservative, who've served in those capacities under Democratic leaders. What Pete Hegg said in Donald Trump is they want fealty. What they want is, what they want is, they want the leadership of the military

to be completely beholden to Donald Trump. So therefore, whatever order they give, they don't want any pushback, they don't want any questioning whatsoever. No discussion. You know, appointing the fact, CQ Brown, our illustrious former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who has Jack fired,

was appointed Chief of Staff in the Air Force by who? Donald Trump, during his first time and it was made a big issue he's pointed to the first black chief of staff of the Air Force, CQ Brown. And here we come two years later and hashtag come in and fires him

almost in the first two weeks he fired him. So here we go. I think it's a targeted effort by hashtag to only have people in charge that look like him. And if you bring up any disagreement, that means dissent to him. and you have to have complete alignment and agreement.

They're looking for loyalness, not necessarily looking for a patriot to follow the Constitution and any discussion. The other thing that there's always competition on the joint staff, and each service chief, I served on the joint staff as a two-star general. And the word would come out from the sect there for chairman of joint chiefs and staff with guidance, and there was a lot of discussions. and pushback until we got the best decision. But you can't do that in the Pentagon now.

You've got to do it Pete's way on the highway. Well, here's a perfect example. You had Admiral Alvin Hoseley. Henry, go to my iPad. He headed the U.S. militaries of Southern Command. And then when they were attacking the boats in the Caribbean Sea, he expressed some concern as of whether or not that was a violation of international law. He was in the job less than a year.

And again, these are jobs that, I mean, you work your butt off and you don't get to those jobs until really towards the end of your career. And once you achieve that, you often retire. So if you're an Army Chief of Staff, all right, the only thing above you is a joint Chiefs of Staff. And so what Pete Heggseth is doing, he is ridding us of extremely accomplished, talented, smart, able-minded leaders and frankly replacing them with single fans. and that to me makes our military weaker

because for the people who keep yelling merit, well, clearly they are ignoring merit with these recommendations. I couldn't say it better, Roland, than you've just described it. It's all based on not merit but color. And gender. And gender. Because Hague said doesn't want women there.

And the people that we're losing makes no sense whatsoever. And so, listen, General, I tell people all the time, elections have consequences. And when people don't vote and when they allow folk like this to get in there, we see what's happening. They are executing Project 2025. You tried to warn people. I tried to warn people. And so I hope folk know, like one of the sisters who was promoted, that sister is a prayer view, A&M graduate.

And so you're talking about people who have worked their butts off, who may be seeing the end of their careers because how they are being targeted by this white nationalist administration. And I'll tell you right now, you know, I got an interview later with the white pastor of Montana who flat out said he called Pete Hexeth a woman. white nationals. Here we go to my iPad. This is the sister right here. A prayer view saluted her four years ago when she became the first African-American female active duty engineer to be promoted to the rank of general officer. Her name is Antoinette Gantt. And this is the

sister that Pete Hickseth is blocking for further advancement. And that's a damn shame, General. Yeah. As I recall, General Gant is the commander of district of Washington and is doing a fantastic job and there was some loose reporting coming out that out of hashtag's office that they shouldn't have recommended it for that job because the president wouldn't want to stand next to a black female. So let's go back to voting. This ought to need to motivate everybody to make sure your registration strength that you reserve the day to go vote as a special day in your life and you take somebody with you, take

two or three with you. but if you don't vote, you don't count. And we need to motivate our young folks to get off the easy, easy, and go vote. We cannot take this attitude that I didn't get what I wanted the last time and it don't make a difference. Every vote makes a difference. Otherwise, we're going to see more of this. Matter of fact, it's going to be encouraged because silence means consent, Lord. Absolutely.

General Honor, right, I appreciate it. My brother. Thanks a lot. God bless America. Yes, sir. And happy resurrection weekend. Thanks a lot. All right, folks.

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We've seen in other states where the courts weighed in when it came to funding. I keep saying this all the time, Representative Baker, elections have consequences. Republicans have a five to two majority on the Supreme Court there. and this is what happens when you have hard right justices deciding these cases. Yeah, good evening, Roland, and tell your guest, it was a gut punch because not only did they roll back over 30 years of a fight, but they have also included in their legislation. or the ruling is that this case cannot be re-entered. So $1.3 billion is what it would have taken

for them to put in the three major parts of this legislation, which was highly qualified teachers, highly qualified principals, and fully funding universal pre-K in schools where you had low performing scores. You know, this is, I mean, it's a huge deal. And, you know, I saw that Judge Anita Earls had posted a video explaining her dissent in this particular case. And, you know, this is, and look, she's on the ballot this year. And I keep telling people, there are those three Republican seats on the ballot in 2008.

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We are sure that they are going to have some people to file some additional rule legislation. I'm sorry, not legislation, but to take the courts, not to the lower courts, but possibly try to get it to go to the higher courts, to the US Supreme Court, because even though we as legislators have the primary responsibility of fully funding free and public education, we have failed that on so many levels.

As you've had me on here so many times before, we are also dealing with the expansion of voucher programs that now have been extended to parents, who send their children to private schools. And so we're looking at like an $8,000 tax credit for those parents who can afford that, which means that it is continuing to hurt our poor and lower wealth counties who do not have a stronger tax base to augment what they get from the state. Well, it is a hard decision, but it's one that we have to confront and deal with. And again, I just keep telling people you have to look at the math.

You have to look at the fact that what Republicans have done in North Carolina. They have politically gerrymandered and racially gerrymandered the state. That's why they have control of so many legislative seats in the House and the Senate. And the reality is if this court flips, just like we saw in Wisconsin, If this court's court flips where they no longer control it, then what then happens is people can then sue and that court can rule against political gerrymandering that can realign the state. And then you will see a much more fair state in North Carolina when it comes to these rulings. And so people have to understand there's a direct correlation between this decision, the people making this decision, and then how people are voting. and too many of our people who sit out elections,

we are allowing other people to decide our fate. Yeah, and I don't know if you discussed this on your show, but you know, the Senate pro-Tem, Phil Berger, lost his primary race by 23 votes. His son is one of the Supreme Court justices that ruled on this case. We had several Republicans that also had Republican challengers

that lost their seat as well. And so it is a tide as a shifting, but it is important, ever so important now, that we continue to push and get out the votes because I believe that the Republicans have just pushed a little bit too far, and people are paying attention, not only to what the Republicans are doing,

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Gary Peters is retiring in the United States Center. There are several Democrats who are vying for that position, and one of them is a congresswoman Haley Stevens. I recently had a conversation with her talk. talking about what her aims will be if she's able to win that primary and become the next United States Senator from Michigan. Here's our conversation. Hi, Representative Stevens, let's get right into it. Obviously, there's a lot at stake with this election.

We're talking about critical sea Michigan. Senator Gary Peters holds that scene right now. And this will also depend upon what happens in this state and others will have to be. whether Democrats control the Senate. So when you look at the most critical issues, what are the two or three that's staying out for you as you travel around the state talking voters? Yeah, and look, I'm a daughter of Michiganders.

My dad was born in Detroit. He taught first grade in the city for the last 15 years of his career. It's about hardworking Michiganders who just want to be able to get ahead. The number one thing I hear from Michiganers is about rising costs. If it's their health care, their grocery bill, the housing, what's going on at the gas pump right now. And I'm not just talking about these things.

I've got a track record of doing and delivering for Michigan. You mentioned our outgoing Senator Gary Peters. He and I have been recognized as some of the most effective Democrats for Michigan in our respective chambers. some of the most effective Democrats writ large. And so I'm saying no tariffs on groceries act. I'm saying lessen our dependence on China to produce and create and make here in Michigan. The other major topic, there's job insecurity right now. There is job insecurity that has been brought on by erratic tariffs, by disinvestment in communities of color,

particularly where this administration has tried to cut the minority business development administration from existence. We have no more Department of Education. We don't have civil rights enforcement, and these are all things that impact Michiganers, impact livelihoods and employment. It's not acceptable. The Republican who's running, he wants to just continue on rubber-stamp Trump. He wants, you know, he's had all this self-enrichment in the, you know, years since he's been in public service. And what's that going to get us?

You know, no open Gordyhow Bridge, you know, big slap in the face to, you know, downriver, my friend, mayor of E-Course, Lamar Tidwell, you know, we're just sitting there shaking our heads on this. So it's been one chaotic event after another and a president who's not looking out for Michiganders. I will. Obviously, when you start breaking down, obviously, affordability is a critical issue, but also what Donald Trump has done in attacking electric

vehicles. That has had a devastating impact financially on the three automakers, the write downs of general motors as well. And this notion that somehow you can't do two things at one time, I mean, even to the point of destroying EV power stations that have already been constructed in federal buildings that were already paid for by taxpayers. I don't understand how that actually hurts people. I mean, I don't understand how that helps people. You're right, right. No, this is why some of our counties in Michigan have some of the fastest growing unemployment in the country. You know, we had Detroit two, three years ago with the fastest job creation of 50 years. We are a manufacturing destination. Look, I worked in the administration of President

Barack Obama. I was chief of staff on an initiative called the U.S. auto rescue, which was responsible for making sure our auto industry didn't totally collapse. We saved 200,000 Michigan jobs. It was our auto workers, the spirit of Detroit, the resilience that comes through here. I'm going to tell you right now, Roland, what I'm hearing from folks that's so eerily similar to that great recession period is, oh, we made it through that. You know, we made it through the bailout period. So I guess we can make it through this. And the tax bill that Trump and his allies in the House in the Senate pass has had dramatic impacts on clean energy, new innovations. I have 450 clean energy jobs in my district alone, just, you know, go by the wayside in December.

right before the holidays. We had $50 million getting pulled out of Detroit. We had a whole industry just really on standstill. And look, I'm not in the business to tell people, you've got to buy this car, that car, that's for the car salesman. But what I am in the business of doing is protecting, expanding, growing Michigan jobs and making sure that we can beat China. You know, we do that here. And I'm going to tell you, there's so many incredible and remarkable things that I've seen, you know, as a manufacturing evangelist in my time in the United States Congress is one of the reasons why I'm running for United States Senate, because my state needs a pit bull in there who's going to advocate, you know, for our people and our biggest source of employment and jobs, and that's

the autos in manufacturing. Oh, it was interesting to me. I think it was in Mississippi that there was this one town. They were, you know, a thousand jobs making batteries. And by pulling, and by pulling that money, it all went away. And we're seeing sort of this spiteful, spiteful decision making that's coming out of the White House and House Republicans and Senate Republicans capitulate and literally say nothing when these arbitrary decisions are being made. Yeah, and these have been, you know, billion dollar investments. You know, you look at a company called Magna.

You know, I visited them through my manufacturing Monday program. You know, it's a Canadian-based company. They've got huge enterprises here in Michigan. You know, you're driving outside of Detroit. You see their facility. I want to actually cross the road for me where I used to live in Oakland County. And I'm going to tell you, the president starts a trade war with Canada. In addition to the disinvestment and the push against, you know, some of these new innovations, as you're mentioning.

remember when that Mississippi announcement got made, too. And, you know, they're going against their own interests. So Michigan companies right now are saying, wait a minute, we put in tons of money to have these jobs and have this section of our economy and the rug's been pulled out from underneath us. It's a big problem. When it comes to black voters in the state, we have seen last civil elections decrease in black will turn out. There are, black voters and especially black men who say that, listen, they're not getting the response they need from Democrats. And so what specific are you saying to black folks in Michigan that if they put you in the United States Senate, you'll be fighting on behalf? Yeah, and this is not something new for me.

You know, I, you know, have long been a part of solutions, activities, investments into black communities. I've got legislation I'm taken right to the United States Senate. It's one of the reasons I'm running to invest in black owned businesses. There's been so many rounds of seeing what COVID did to black entrepreneurship, you know, what is going on with the canceling of the Minority Business Development Administration. and we don't need another loan, right? Folks need access to capital. And so I've got a bill called the IDEA Act, you know, to do the investment into black

entrepreneurship and black owned businesses. I want to see that get done. We know that black unemployment is rising. We know that these cuts that this administration have made, have hit our black community hardest. And I say this, which is I campaign like I govern, and I govern like I campaign. I show up in communities. I've been doing that. You know, I'm sitting in the house for four terms, you know, fighting to make sure that our fair share of federal funds go into sometimes overlooked areas, overlooked communities, fighting for equity. And that's going to be, that's a cornerstone

of my campaign. And I've codified it all in what I'm calling the Am I the My Hope agenda that I built alongside leadership, you know, in our faith communities, leadership at the local level, couched in how, you know, we've had some success, how I've gotten some things done for black communities and individuals, but also what we need to go do in the United States Senate? So it's an intentional and continual part of my work. You talk about the issue of black entrepreneurship, and what we are seeing is a direct attack on that.

I've been saying that what we're seeing for this administration, what I call a defund black America initiative, targeting, I mean, we're seeing, I had a story this the other day of black contractors, the opportunities they've lost hundreds of millions of dollars with the stoppage of those contracts and grants along those lines. And so, you know, what would you do in that regard if you are a United States Senator? Yeah, you know, you've hit it right on the head that we are seeing a defund movement going on from this administration and a canceling of programs that, you know, you know, impact people's lives and also have contributed to rising unemployment.

And here's the deal. You know, we hold the purse in the Congress, except for it feels as though the Congress has forgotten that. And so, you know, I want to make sure when it comes down to appropriation time, you know, I just today introduce legislation about the Social Security Administration, and I called it the Customer Service Act because of the 7,000 jobs that were cut and pushed out of Social Security and, you know, certain people who are trying to get access to their benefits. And then the other deal is that, you know, when I worked in the administration of President Barack Obama, we saw firsthand I worked, you know, alongside the minority. business development administration. I saw it firsthand.

I saw what it meant to have, you know, minority contract requirements in place. You know, working with minority suppliers, you know, through our automotive sector, you know, I mean... Canadian women are looking for more. More to themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world are out of them. And that's why we're thrilled to introduce

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of that responsibility? Find out on Mostly Human. My highest order bit is to not destroy the world with AI. Listen to Mostly Human on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of IHeart Media. And I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Magic, Stories from the frontiers of marketing. Math and magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses

in industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds in marketing. I'm talking to leaders from the entertainment industry to finance and everywhere in between. This seasonal math and magic, I'm talking to CEO of Liquid Death Mike Cessario, financier and public health advocate Mike Milken, take two interactive CEO, Strauss-Zalnik. If you're unable to take meaningful creative risk and therefore run the risk of making horrible creative mistakes, then you can't play in this business. Sesame Street CEO Sherry Weston and our own chief business officer, Lisa Coffey. Making consumers see the value of the human voice and to have that guaranteed human promise

behind it really makes it rise to the top. Listen to math and magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing on the Iheart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Family-owned businesses. And again, that's building strong communities. that's making sure that neighborhoods stay strong, that our public schools can stay strong. We know what disinvestment looks like.

And that becomes a race to the bottom very quickly. And so we've got to strengthen our laws. We've got to push back when this president just thinks he can do whatever he wants because he sits in an oval office with a pen. A big part of this job is oversight, and we've got to call that out. I believe that my investing in black-owned businesses legislation could become bipartisan. That is something that could galvanize folks.

Why? Because, yes, it's using federal dollars to spur more growth. We got to have equitable growth. We can't just have, you know, the K economy where some are doing really well and others are not. It just doesn't work. And so, you know, I'm so proud to have some great leadership and voices standing alongside me in my run for United States Senate,

woman Brenda Lawrence has endorsed my campaign alongside a dozen members of the Congressional Black Caucus. I've got Michigan's first black speaker of the State House, the great Joe Tate. Man's got a remarkable career. You know, we're on the horn all the time, you know, ideating and trading notes like this. And look, it's not to make false promises, but it's about to be dogged. You know, Roland, we can't be sweeping these things under the rug when they're cutting off minority businesses from federal contracts. It's not right. One of the things that we also are saying is this the rising cost of information.

And there are 103 HBCUs. I've been to 59 of them in the country. And what is always shocking is when you see how dramatically state no longer funding college tuition, then you start seeing these cuts on the federal level. So Pell grants, financial aid, that is crucially important. You know, what are you looking at in those areas? Because we talk about OECUs, they, I mean, like a lot of colleges, they really depend upon that's financial aid. And, you know, you talk to 80, 90 percent of those students

are getting those Pell Grant, things along those lines. And so what is your plan? when it comes to Congress, when it comes to the federal government, doing better at financing college education, because we can't talk about, oh, beating China, and when it comes to STEM, when it comes to technology, the future, you don't have the folks who are in position to do that. No, and that's, your work in this space is so important.

And I'll tell you, one of my favorite things, you know, that we have here in Michigan is HBCU, you know, college tour send-off. And I've gone to that, you know, at Groves High School, we were sending off, you know, busloads of students and their parents to go and tour HBCUs. Is someone who sat on the Science Space and Technology Committee, by the way, we just had that big Artemis launch with some, you know, incredible trailblazers heading to the moon. That's really exciting. And the first black man to go up there. And that's really great. But we've got, you know, some work around the HPCUs that Eddie Bernice Johnson, and I was her vice chair, she and I led on this.

And it was about getting STEM grants through the National Science Foundation to the HBCUs, you know, because you hit it right on the head. We heard from researchers all over the academics, you know, the researchers, the businesses, all this. they said, you're leaving American talent behind. And this was before, you know, they decided to attack equity on the Republican side, which is so backwards because we saw that if we're leaving American talent behind, we're falling behind. And so with the Chips and Science Act, you know, which I helped to pass, we put all those priorities in.

When you're talking about Pell Grants, they need to be expanded. We need a Department of Education. We need an office of civil rights. We need an office of literacy. You know, I'm looking at what my Detroit public school students need. You know, they need the same investment. And, you know, Highland Park here in Michigan, a great community within the city of Detroit, great city. They need their public school reopened.

And so how do we do that if we don't have a department of education? How do we do that if we can't achieve that? the goal of fully funding special education in the United States of America. And so this is why I've long pushed to expand Pell Grants. And it's also why, frankly, you know, one of the best bills I ever got to, you know, introduce, which was a Student Aid Act. And it came from my friends, the Mason family, in Hazel Park. I knocked in their door.

They had me, you know, basically over to their house. You know, I was just, you know, saying hi to folks in the neighborhood, reminding them of the election coming up in a couple months. And we started talking, and the parents in that conversation opened my eyes to a huge loophole we have with financial aid, which was that mom and dad, both UAW workers, by the way, working in a different plant, you know, we're so proud sending their two students off to Michigan State University, go green, and they'll say go white, because green and white, that's, you know, the Michigan State colors right behind me here, although I love

all of Michigan schools. But what Dad showcased to me is he said, Haley, we don't qualify for financial aid. The family didn't qualify for financial aid, even though dad was still sitting on student loan debt himself. Why? Why? That's a loophole. So I wrote legislation to close that. I can't tell you how many families, you know, they want to have their kids. Not everyone, and then that's great. You know, there's great apprenticeship programs. But his kids were going into math and psychology, and yet they were going to incur the same debt that he did.

So I wrote a bill to close that. Last question. There's somebody sitting out there watching and listening, who's in Michigan, who says, I don't trust the process. It doesn't work for me. It only works for folks of means who are rich, who have access. What do you say to that person as to why they need to be registered,

and why they need to vote in the Michigan primary, but also in the general in November. Well, one, your vote matters, and it deeply matters, but two, it matters because it's your tax payer money. Where you're voting is determining the benefits, it's determining the effective utilization of resources, and we need that system, to work better for working people. I'm going to tell you right now, folks feel tuned out

and turned off because there's promise after promise made, and yet costs just go up, and billionaires just become double billionaires and more billionaires. I believe, as a tried and true public servant who's running for United States Senate with a whole lot of public service in my heart, that people should not be getting rich while in public office and this is why I wrote legislation called no getting rich in Congress. All right. I don't own stock. I'm not a millionaire and I'm not trying to become one.

I'm trying to make your tax dollars work for you and your family so the working person can get ahead. And so that's why your vote matters. All right. Representative Haley Stevens, we appreciate you joining us on the show. Good luck in your branch for the United States Senate. Thank you. folks up next i will explain to you why virginians especially black people should vote yes on april 1st for in their redistricting special election as payback for republicans scoring over black elected officials

you need to watch what i have to say plus uh we'll share my interview with uh a author who said that Dr. King's speech on this day in 1968 was his most epic speech. Plus, a white pastor in Montana who has tough words for Donald Trump says Secretary of Defense Pete Hick-Seth is an absolute white nationalist.

Ooh, it's an interview, y'all. You do not want to miss. All of that in the second hour of Roland Martin Unfiltered right here on the Black Star Network. Let me right back. Why does it feel like we're going backward? Voting rights under

attack, school stripped of funding, black history erased. This is the Trump MAGA agenda. They want to take us back. They are redrawing congressional lines and states across the country deciding who gets power and who gets silenced. We see what this is. A power grab.

Virginians won't be fooled. Show up, vote, take back our power. It's a temporary measure that gives the people, not politicians, the final second. Vote yes by April 21st. I love you some. And your mother?

and I'm going to keep doing the best I can. If you're seeing it in your mind, you can create it. Protect your mind, son. It's your greatest asset. Virginia, we are counting on you. Republicans want to steal enough seats in Congress to raid the next election and wield unchecked power for two more years.

But you can stop them by voting yes by April 21st. Help put our elections back on a level playing field and let voters decide, not politicians. This is the responsible thing to do. Help us chart a better path forward, Virginia. Vote yes by April 21st. Hey, I'm Malcolm Lee, and you're watching the Black Star Network. All right, folks, so let's talk about gerrymandering and redistricting, okay?

And actually, I need to do this here. I need to grab these things off my desk. Y'all just stay right there. So understand this here, all right? When we talk about gerrymandering and redistricting, we're talking about a couple different things. Okay. So every 10 years, so every 10 years, the census is taken, okay? And so after the census is taken, that's when they have apportionment or reapportionment.

Well, they determine, based upon the population, how many congressional districts go in each state in the country, okay? So here's what then happens. So based on a population, if a state loses population, another state gains population, that state will see an increase in their congressional districts. All right? So for the longest, you would see that happen every 10 years. So the census is done, and then right after the census is done, the states then go through reapportionment, which is also redistricting.

Now, we talk about gerrymand. gerrymandering is how the states draw the different lines. Political gerrymandering is when a party or whoever is in control draws the lines to benefit them. So they get more congressional seats than the party or they get more state seats, state rep, state senate than the party. Now, remember, United States Senate, it's two per state. It doesn't even matter. All right. Then you have something called racial gerrymandering.

When you have gerrymandering that's also based upon the issue of race. The Supreme Court ruled that they had no authority to rule in political gerrymandering cases. They said that's left up to the states. And so therefore the state Supreme Courts can rule in those places. The Supreme Court barely still has authority when it comes to racial gerrymandering. So what we've seen is that both parties, Democrats and Republicans, have used political gerrymandering to their benefit. Now, what did we see happen in Texas last year?

But it wasn't just last year. Last year, Donald Trump calls up Texas Governor Greg Abbott, and they first sent a letter for the DOJ saying, hey, the seats that y'all did, the seats in Texas, the bat that you drew in Texas after 2020, 20, we think you use race, so therefore your map is illegal. Now, Texas got sued by various groups say they discriminated against blacks and Latinos. They were actually in court defending those maps saying they didn't use race in consideration. So here was Texas in court saying we didn't use race.

Trump folks saying y'all did use race. So Texas Governor Greg Abbott calls a special session to redraw lines because Trump said, I want five seats. I want five seats. So they redo the lines. So we have four African Americans in Texas who were elected. Four. You had Mark Visi, Jasmine Crockett in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. You had Al Green and you had Sheila Jackson Lee, who passed away, was replaced by four in Houston,

Sylvester Turner, who passed away, so therefore, was an open seat. Christian and Menefi eventually wins that seat. So you had two in Delfort Worth, two in Houston. They redrew the maps only leaving two African Americans. So you see a net loss of two African Americans in Texas. That then sets off a gerrymandering battle. You then had, of course, California, California Governor Gavin Newsom said, all right, Texas, y'all play that game.

We're going to redraw our maps. And they did to pick up. five dim seats. Well, Republicans across the country said, we're going to go after this. They said, redraw the maps in Indiana. Indiana Senate voted it down. It didn't happen. They said,

we draw the maps in Kansas. Kansas didn't do it. Missouri, the Republicans did. They wiped out the seat of Congressman Emmanuel Cleaver in the Kansas City area. Republicans in North Carolina wiped out the seat of Congressman Don Davis. Now,

let me explain to you, North Carolina. North Carolina had a, there was a 10 to 4 Republican majority in North Carolina. Then when the Democrats took control of the state Supreme Court in North Carolina, it was then 7-7. They said no political gerrymandering. Well, when the Republicans took back control of the Supreme Court, they said, allowed, went back up to 10-4. Now, by trying to cancel Don Davis's seat,

all of a sudden, Republicans say they wanted an 11 to 3 majority. I want you to hear what I'm just saying. Because Republicans did that in North Carolina, that pretty much gave them the majority in the United States House. They barely got a majority. So, but they had a plus four pickup in North Carolina. Now, also, you've got to remember,

this here happened in Florida. So in Florida, Florida governor, here we go to my iPad. Florida governor, Rhonda Santis, what he did was he targeted a black district that was in North Florida. Rhonda Santis, on his own, targeted the district, okay, alleging that the creation of that district

conflicted with the 14th Amendment. Now, Republicans in the legislature didn't want to do this. Canadian women are looking for more. More to themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world are of them. And that's why we're thrilled to introduce the Honest Talk podcast. I'm Jennifer Stewart.

And I'm Catherine Clark. And in this podcast, we interview Canada's most inspiring women. Entrepreneurs, artists, athletes, politicians, and newsmakers, all at different stages of their journey. So if you're looking to connect, then we hope you'll join us. Listen to the Honest Talk podcast on Iheart Radio or wherever you listen to your podcasts. In 2023, former bachelor star Clayton Eckerd found himself at the center of a paternity scandal. The family court hearings that followed revealed glaring inconsistencies in her story.

This began a years-long court battle to prove the truth. You doctored this particular test twice in someone, correct? I doctored the test ones. It took an army of internet detectives to crack the case. I wanted people to be able to see what their tax dollars were being used for. Sunlight's the greatest disinfectant. They would uncover a disturbing pattern. Two more men who'd been through the same thing.

Greg Alesspian, Michael Marantini. My mind was blown. I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trap. Laura, Scottsdale Police. As the season continues, Laura Owens finally faces consequences. Ladies and gentlemen,

breaking news at Americopa County as Laura Owens has been indicted on fraud charges. This isn't over until justice is served in Arizona. Listen to Love Trapped podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Lori Siegel, and I'm mostly human. I go beyond the headlines with the people building our future. This week, an interview with one of the most influential figures in Silicon Valley,

OpenAI CEO Sam Altman. I think society is going to decide that creators of AI products bear a tremendous amount of responsibility to products we put out in the world. From power to parenthood. Kids, teenagers, I think they won't need a lot of guardrails around AI. This is such a powerful and such a new thing. From addiction to acceleration. The world we live in is a competitive world. And I don't think that's going to stop. Even if you did a lot of redistribution. You know, we have a deep desire to excel and be competitive and gain status and be useful to others.

And it's a multiplayer game. What does the man who has extraordinary influence over our lives have to say about the weight of that responsibility? Find out I'm mostly human. My highest order bit is to not destroy the world with AI. Listen to Mostly Human on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Hi, I'm Bob Pittman, chairman and CEO of IHeartMedia.

I'm kicking off a brand new season of my podcast, Math and Magic, stories from the frontiers of marketing. Math and Magic takes you behind the scenes of the biggest businesses and industries while sharing insights from the smartest minds in marketing. I'm talking to leaders from the entertainment industry to finance and everywhere in between. This season on Math and Magic, I'm talking to CEO of Liquid Death Mike Cesario, financier and public health advocate Mike Milken, Take Two Interactive CEO, Strauss-Zalnik. If you're unable to take meaningful creative risk and therefore run the risk of making horrible creative mistakes, then you can't play in this business.

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Ron DeSantis' decision in Florida. So, let's do the math. So we lost a black seat in Florida. That's one. We lost two black seats in Texas. That's three. We lost,

we're going to lose Cleaver's seat in Missouri, four. and then may lose Don Davis's seat, North Carolina. That's five. That's five black seats. Now, you may now begin to ask, well, hold up, I need to understand where did all this stuff happen? Well, all of this stuff really happened, really happened in 2003. In 2003, Tom DeLay, who was in the house, what he did was, he said, Joe.

let's have us an advantage. So, and so in Tom DeLette, so this would happen here. This was a newspaper article in the Austin American Statement, and it said, AWOL Democrats found. So what happened was Democrats fled Texas and went to Oklahoma to keep them from having a quorum to pass those maps. And so, as you see in this story here in the Texas Tribune, you see it right here, 2003, time delay drove this entire deal.

So when it came to mid-decade redistricting, all right, what happened was Tom DeLay said, why do we need to wait? We got the majority in the Texas legislature. Let's run the table. And that's when this whole mid-decade redistricting thing started taking form. So what you're dealing with here are Republicans who started the whole deal with mid-decade redistricting,

and they were the ones who began this process. So where are we at now? So Democrats were sitting here, oh, play fair, play fair. Democrats didn't do mid-decade redistricting. Republicans did. And so what's happening right now in Virginia is they said, okay, State Senator Louise Lucas said, yo, 10-1, We're going to push a 10-1 map.

We're going to have 10 Democrats or create 10 seats that will favor the Democrats versus run Republican. Oh, Republicans are upset, mad. They're angry. This is wrong. It's unfair. But the same people, the same Republicans in Virginia who are complaining were quiet about Texas in 2003. They were quiet about Texas. last year. They were quiet. Now, they were angry when Gavin Newsom responded. Oh, this ain't right.

California, like Kevin Carly, the congressman, was complaining, but he was quiet when Texas made their move. See, I said, not in my backyard. Republicans in Virginia were quiet when Republicans in North Carolina made they move. They were quiet when Republicans in Missouri made their move. But now they're complaining. Now, the reason I want you to understand why black people need to understand why we should be voting yes in Virginia is because it comes down to political power. And what I need our people to understand is that when you talk about political power, you have to recognize where power lies. All of this is a power play. Everything that I am describing for you, It's a power play.

So I told y'all, remember, we lost one black seat in Florida. We're going to lose two black seats in Texas. We're going to lose a black seat in Missouri. We're going to lose a black seat in North Carolina. That's five seats. They targeted those as Democrat losses. But for us, it's a loss of power. Now, I want you to see this here.

This right now is the current makeup of the Congressional Black Caucus. And so you'll see right here what's going on. Now, Congressman Illinois Holmes Norton, not running for re-election. Congressman Danny Davis, not running for re-election. Congressman Bobby Scott, David Scott, is going to be in a brutal primary. It's like 14 people running against him. The Republicans are trying to wipe out the seat of Congressman Emmanuel Cleaver. Congressman Al Green is in a battle with Congressman Christian Menefi for that one seat in Texas.

excuse me, in Houston. Republicans in Indiana chose not to change their map. So Congressman Andre Carson, his seat is protected. Then, of course, we have these seats here. Congressman Mark Visi is going to be out of Congress as a result

of him removing his seat, him not running. Congressman Robin Kelly, she's leaving Congress because she ran for the United States Senate and she actually lost as well. And then if we go through the map, I've believe Congressman Dwight Evans is not running for re-election.

Then if we go here, if I look at the map here, let's see. They're all staying. Congressman Richie Torres is in a battle for his congressional seat against Mike Blake and others. If I go through the map, Congresswoman Sheila Shurfler McCormick was found guilty by the House Ethics Committee. She's also been indicted. And so she may very well not be running. Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett will be leaving. She's going to be replaced by Pastor Frederick Haynes.

She ran for the United States Senate. You see right here in Don Davis in North Carolina, they made his district more Republican. So that seat is going to be tough. Congresswoman Valerie Foucher, she won by 1% in North Carolina. So she'll get reelected. Then as we go through here, then we see. folks who are here. We'll see what happens here.

Former Representative Cory Bush will be battling Representative Wesley Bell in a rematch of the last election. And then if we go down here, let's see here. So these are all the members. And Congressman, of course, Sylvester Turner, he passed away last year. He's been replaced by Congressman Christian Menifee.

Now, here's what I need you to understand why Virginia is so important. And so I want you to leave up this map right here. So what's going to happen if Democrats win the House? If Democrats win the House, I want you to understand what then happens. Power begins to change. So if Democrats win the House, Congressman Gregory Meeks right here, Congressman Gregory Meeks,

this is his, I'm going to go to his about page, Congressman Gregory Meeks, he'll be chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. That mean all issues dealing with foreign policy, he's going to be the chair of the committee. He will control and direct what direction the committee goes in. Now, if we talk about the money, who controls the money, if Democrats control the House, Congresswoman Maxine Waters, becomes chair of the House Financial Services Committee.

That means all laws, all laws, dealing with financial services, banks, things along those lines, all of those laws will come through her committee. How money is being apportioned and distributed is going to come through her committee. Now, we start talking about Department of Homeland Security. What then happens is if that all of a sudden, if that Democrats win, then Congressman Benny Thompson becomes chair of the Department of Homeland Committee. That means he controls the staff.

He controls who gets a peanut. He controls all directions. So what that means is who's in control, again, of the power. Now, if we talk about education, the chair of the education and workforce committee, yep, it's going to be this brother right here, my awful brother, Congressman, Bobby Scott. Now, if y'all want to understand why this brother matters, Last time when Democrats control the House, guess who, when y'all talk about the HBCU money? Do you want to know why HBCU's got $17 billion?

Bobby Scott of Virginia. He was the one controlling the bill. He was controlling the money. Now, those are chairs. Now, when you talk about subcommittees, subcommittees in the House, meaning all of those different committees. Now, again, we're talking here. if we just do the number 4, 8, 12, 16, 20,

24, 28, 32, 32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 58, 52, 52, 56, 60, 62. So if you take away Warnock as well as Corey Booker, because they're in the United States Senate, you've got 60 CBC members. y'all 30 CBC members will become chair of subcommittees so when you talk about the house financial services committee well guess what congressman joyce baydie is on that committee should be the chair of one of the subcommittees and so the subcommittees do important work as well Hank johnson house armed services committee we can go on and on and on so when we talk about

about why the House matters. If Democrats take control of the House, meaning they went at least 218 house seats, African Americans will become chairs of several committees and the chair of 30-some subcommittees. That means no laws are going to come through the House without coming through their committee. So how you vote in Virginia could very well, determine where the Democrats win the House and then take control. And, of course, keep in mind, and I know there are a lot of people don't like them, and they're like, oh, we need to change.

But here's the reality. If Democrats win the House and the Democrats then choose, come on, go to my iPad, if Democrats then choose to re-elect him, that as a leader, that means Hakeem Jeffries of New York is going to become the first black speaker of the House. y'all we are talking political power and when you have political power you're controlling the purse strings

you're controlling the congressional hearings you're controlling who gets subpoenaed so if the Democrats control the house that means Trump's cabinet all are going to get called to more hearings more accountability have to more transparency have to answer the questions.

See, when all these people talk about, oh, man, you shilling for the Democrats, well, here's the whole deal. It's four black Republicans in the House. None of them are in leadership. It's one black Republican in the Senate, Tim Scott. Do, of those five, what agenda do they advance for Black America? I thought so.

So if we're going to talk about what our agenda is, if we're going to talk about housing, if we're going to talk about black entrepreneurship, if we're going to talk about economic development and education, black maternal health, and black men and prostate cancer,

and on and on, then I would rather have folk who are in power of the committees advancing the bills. That's why the race in Virginia matters. Because if the map in Virginia is changed, and let's say Democrats pick up four or five seats.

Let's say on April 21st, and early voting is taking place right now, in Virginia, right now early voting is taking place. The election is April 21st. Poll came out showing 52-4-47 against the referendum. Well, it don't matter how many points it wins by. If it wins 51-49, it wins. That means that when they go vote in November,

map changes. Let's say the election is tight. Let's say it comes down to two. 218, 217, that means that pickup of four seats in Virginia changes the election, just like the pickup of four seats in North Carolina wanted for Republicans. So I hope y'all now understand what I'm talking about when we're talking about political power, why these congressional seats matter, why the racist matter. See, I don't get caught up in all that silliness. Oh, man, you're sitting here. You're chilling for the Democrats.

Anybody who says that, I will ask him, give me your five top issues. Give me your five top issues. And let's see whether Republicans support those top five issues right now or the Democrats going to support your five issues. Y'all, this isn't about party. It's about policy and power. And that's what I'm talking about. And that's why in Virginia, they are paying black Republicans to lie, obfuscate, and confuse

black people. The black Republicans are being fronted. They're fronting in Virginia. They're sending out these mailers. Y'all got to pull it up right there on the screen. They are sending out these mailers to black households to convince them to vote. No. They're trying to use the folks.

photos of Barack Obama. They're even running, they had this little commercial showing images of black people protesting saying they're trying to steal our right to vote. And y'all, let me tell you what they're doing. Tell you how they're doing it. They're not buying ads on my show. Get the video. No, no, no, no.

Get the video ready. And I want you all to put it in a box without screens. I don't want to look like it's an ad. Let me tell you what they're doing. So pull an ad up. tell you what they're doing. They're not buying ads through me.

They're going to YouTube. I need y'all to hear what I'm saying. What they're doing is they're going to YouTube and buying the ads at YouTube to run doing my show. So I was at home the other day and I was going to YouTube and I was looking for a video

that was that we had run. And so I came to my chance. you know, y'all. And so you know, y'all know how the ad pops up, how the ad pops up before you come on, before the show comes on. Their vote no ads were running on my show. That was by design. That was by design. And that's what they're doing. And so I just need everybody to understand. This is how the dots are connected. So if you're in Virginia and you vote yes for the redistricting referendum, you could very well be deciding who controls the House, and then if Democrats control the House, that means that black caucus members are now in power. Now, see, a lot of y'all love complaining about Democrats and Black Caucus members.

Well, that's why your ass should vote in the primary. That means that the type of Democrat you want, you should be pushing for in the primary. So the bottom line is if your person wins in the primary And then they win in November they're in office I need us our people to understand this is playing chess and not checkers That's what I need y'all to understand so you got the ad ready Okay, all right so I didn't you understand what's going on here the problem that we're dealing with is that we're allowing these loud mouths and not to connect the dots.

And so the referendum in Virginia, let me real clear, had Donald Trump and the Republicans in Texas, Greg Abbott and Dan Patrick, had they not changed the seats in Texas, California would have never done what they did. Virginia would have never done what they're trying to do right now. See, Republicans want to be mad,

but they were cool when they did it. And let me perfectly clear, I didn't like what Republicans did in my state of Texas. I said, leave the maps as they are. But if they're going to go ahead and do it, which I oppose, why the hell were I then saying, well, Virginia Democrats, y'all shouldn't do that. California Democrats, y'all shouldn't do that. It should be fair. Well, they didn't play fair in Texas.

So guess what? So I'm very clear. California, thank you for doing what you did because they screen. over my people in Texas. I vote in the 30th congressional district in Texas. That's Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett's district. I vote in that district. My parents vote in that district. So they screwed black Texans. We went from four to two. The Santas screwed black Floridians. Missouri, they're screwing black people in Kansas City. North Carolina, they're screwing black people. congressional district in North Carolina that dates back to the Reconstruction period.

So you think I'm going to sit here and say, well, no, Democrats, you shouldn't do what they did because that's just not right. That's just not fair. For the Republicans, it's called F-A-F-O. Y'all want to play that game? You damn right. Democrats, respond. You fire, we fire.

So I support voting yes in Virginia. This is the ad that they're running on my YouTube channel and they are running in Virginia and they're trying to play on the emotions of black people and I need black people in Virginia to understand that they are lying in this ad. Roll it. We marched in the streets to secure our future

because we know voting rights are civil rights. But now Richmond politicians want to rig our elections to help themselves, leaving us behind. Their scheme dilutes the votes of historically marginalized communities.

Black and brown voices silenced. First we lose our voice, then we lose our freedom. Vote no. We fought too hard to go back now. Vote now and vote no. Let me say this right now. I'm Roland Martin.

I do not approve of that message. That's what that's black Republicans White Republicans using blackface A black little group They're funding them to run those ads and funding them to run these mailers So I need all y'all If you know folks in Virginia Black, white, Latino, Asian American, Native American no matter

I need you to explain to them why They should be voting yes Don't wait until April 21st They should be voting right Now, early voting, vote yes, because Virginia could decide who controls the U.S. House come to New Congress, January, 2029. Let me tell y'all what's going on. Pull the graphic up next Thursday.

I need everybody, if you, where Virginia State is next Thursday, I need y'all to be in the house. Pull it up right here. I need y'all to be in the house at Virginia State next Thursday. We are going to be on the campus there in Virginia. We're going to have a panel taking place. Virginia State University, Harris Hall, Academic Commons, 20903, University Avenue, Petersburg, Virginia, Senator Tim Kane, Senator Mark Warner, Virginia speaker, House, Don Scott, Congresswoman, Jennifer McClellan, and others are going to be there. We're going to be talking about political power, talking about redistricting.

in Virginia, talking about what then happens if Democrats take control of the House and the Senate, what that means for African Americans in Virginia, African Americans in this country. So that's going to be on Thursday, April 9th. And so we want to pack the House out, spread the word. Now, the next day, we're going to be at Norfolk State. Norfolk State, the next day, Friday, April 10th, Norfolk State, Dorothy B. Brothers Auditorium, 700 Park Avenue. We're going to, again, be Congressman Bobby Scott would be there, Don Scott, Speaker of the House, Senator Mark Warner, Senator Tim Kane.

We're going to have Senator Louise Lucas and other elected officials who are going to be there. Same conversation. We're talking about public policy. So we're going on the road April 9th and April 10th, Virginia State on Thursday, Norfolk State on Friday. We want y'all to be in the house and pack this thing out. Y'all, you always hear me talking about power. You always hear me talking about how we must be using our power. And I keep telling you, and this is the problem that I have, too many of us are leaving our power at home.

We're sitting here mad, upset, they ain't doing this, they ain't doing that. Y'all, I'm all about one thing winning. I'm all about us being in control of the whole deal. And so this was the thing. Fox News did an article on Sen Louise Lucas, who was talking about 10-1, and then she put this graphic out and responding to Fox News. She said, you all started and we're effing finished it, talking about the 10-1 plan. So I hope y'all now understand what I'm talking about is when you vote yes in Virginia, how that special election on April 21st, early voting has already started, could decide the first. of the entire country as to who controls the House.

And why is Donald Trump? Why did Donald Trump desperately want to get those five seats in Texas and desperately do political germanding elsewhere? Because he said it. Republicans, if y'all lose the House, they're going to impeach me. You damn right, because your ass is corrupt. So these corrupt pardons, if the Democrats control the House, they now can do it. They can now have subpoenas and call to testify the people who've been paying for pardons.

They can now investigate by controlling the committee all of Donald Trump's shady crypto deals. They can now investigate all of those different things because when you control the gavel and you control the committee, you control the subpoenas and you control the hearings. And that's why Donald Trump is scared of losing the House. And if Democrats flip the Senate, that means if they win, keep their seat in Georgia, Senator John Ossoff, keep their seat in Michigan. All they need a four seats, y'all. If they flip Maine, flip Alaska, flip North Carolina, they can flip Iowa.

Now they got 5149. They could pick up two of the seats. Democrats could have a 53-47 majority in the Senate. That now means not one Donald Trump appointee can be approved unless Democrats approve it. Not one, because we saw the news, Supreme Court Justice Samuel Lido got sick at the Fairless Society dinner last month, got rushed to the hospital. If something happens when his Supreme Court justices, Democrats can say, No, we're not going to have a hearing. Republicans can yell, holler, and scream.

Democrats, all they should say is, remember Mayor of Garland? Remember how y'all held up those 100 federal judges when Obama was president? Mitch McConnell held them up. Democrats could do the exact same thing. Mitch McConnell refused to let Obama appoint. No, Obama appointed 100 federal judges. Mitch McConnell would not let them get confirmed.

So when Donald Trump came in in 2017, Donald Trump was able to appoint 100 federal judges that Mitch McConnell held up. If Democrats win the Senate, payback is a mother. They can do the exact same thing. Y'all, this is a power conversation. This is why we must vote yes in Virginia. And we must take these people, take MAGA out in every single state, beat them, overwhelm the voting system.

In every state, in Georgia, in North Carolina, in Florida. If you want to beat MAGA, don't tweet about it, don't post on Facebook, don't put it on TikTok, you do it at the ballot box. if you want to show them what black power looks like, you do what black people did in 2008. We turned out in massive numbers when Obama was elected. Canadian women are looking for more. More to themselves, their businesses, their elected leaders, and the world are of them.

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Listen to Mostly Human on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. When you listen to podcasts about AI and tech and the future of humanity, the hosts always act like they know what they're talking about and they are experts at everything. Here, the Nick Dick and Poll show, we're not afraid to make mistakes. What Coogler did that I think was so unique. He's the writer-director. Who do you think he is? I don't know. You mean it to like the president?

You think Canada has a president. You think China has a president. Those law a rousette. God, I love that thing. I use it all the time. I wrap it in a blanket and sing to it at night. It's like the old Polish saying, not my monkeys, not my circus. Yep. It was a good one. I like that snake.

It is an actual Polish saying. It is an actual Polish name. Better version of Play Stupid Games, win stupid prizes. Yes. Which, by the way, wasn't Taylor Swift, who said that for the first time. I actually thought it was. I got that wrong. Listen to the Nick Dick and Paul show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's why they're changing the laws, because they are scared of what happened in 2008.

In 2008 was the first time in American history. that black people voted at a larger percentage than white people in America. It had never happened before, and it hasn't happened since, because too many of us have chosen to sit on the sidelines and not get in the game. It's time for us to get back in the game and to show MAGA, we mean business. Back in a moment. Why does it feel like we're going backward? Voting rights under attack, school stripped of funding, black history erased.

This is the Trump-Maga agenda. They want to take us back. They are redrawing congressional lines and states across the country, deciding who gets power and who gets silenced. We see what this is. A power grab. Virginians won't be fooled. Show up, vote, take back our power.

It's a temporary measure that gives the people, not politicians, the final set. Vote yes by April 21st. How are you doing? I'm Mark Curry, and you're watching the Black Star Network. That's why I got these glasses on, because that Black Star is bright. Injunctions. I understand the denial of certain basic First Amendment privileges because they have committed themselves to that over that.

But somewhere I read of the freedom of assembly. Somewhere I read. Of the freedom of speech. Somewhere I read. Of the freedom of press. Somewhere I read that the greatness of America is the right to protest for right. April 3rd, 1968, Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. gave his last sermon at Mason Temple. The next day, he was assassinated at Lorraine Motel.

A few years ago when I was at TV One, Keith Miller came on the show. discuss his book. It is called Martin Luther King's biblical epic, his final great speech. He discussed and he walked through how major this speech was. You've heard me say this. For too many of us,

we've only heard this part of the sermon. I call this speech a famous speech, but also... Oh, no, go to my iPad. Has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And he's allowed me to go up to the mountain, the promised land.

So that speech is called the Mountain Touth speech, and so many of us, we only played that part. But that was a 43-minute, 16-second epic speech. And so here's my conversation as Keith Miller talks about that entire speech in our conversation. But also an unknown speech. It's famous because the last two minutes are famous, especially when he talks about going up to the top of the mountain and looking out to see the promised land. But I may not get there with you. But we as people will get to the promised land.

That part is famous, and people think that he's predicting his assassination the next day. But the rest of the speech is overlooked. But in order to understand the conclusion, you need to understand the entire speech. Because if he only wanted to speak for two minutes, he would have spoken for two minutes. So we spoke for 46 minutes, so he spoke for 46 minutes. The conclusion concludes something. So in order to understand the conclusion, you have to understand the whole speech. Well, it's the same thing I say every year when it comes to I have a dream speech.

That was never even in the original written version. And again, as we focus on that as opposed to looking at the entire thing. Always, from a black church standpoint, I say we focus on the hoop part. That's the hoop part, but you better understand the thesis in the scripture earlier in the speech. Exactly. earlier speech. So one of the things that you lay out, the architecture of the church played a role of this? What do you mean by that? I think the architecture of the church is very important and it's been misrepresented by historians. They call it, quote, cavernous. It's not cavernous at all. It's an architectural jewel and it's beautifully and brilliantly designed. Mason Temple. Mason Temple in Memphis. It seats 3,734 people. I know because I counted the seats.

But somehow the architect was so brilliant that he could get these seats close to the pulpit. So if there hadn't been 3,000 people able to come to the speech, King would not have given the speech at all because this was the largest venue in the entire South that African Americans controlled. And King was exhausted. He was in his hotel room that night. He didn't want to give the speech. And he gave the speech because Ralph Abernathy told him there's 3,000 people here, we need to, you need to come down here, Martin. If he had been anywhere else, there wouldn't have been that many people there

because there was a giant thunderstorm that night. They kept a lot of people away. You say that King made it clear that the oppressed must focus on the Bible and, as you say, lift themselves above the persistent exploitation that they doggedly endure. Yes, the speech offers King's interpretation of the Bible, and it's very important to understand that. He does something of a tour of the Bible in the speech. He starts out with the Exodus.

He quotes Jeremiah. He quotes Isaiah. He quotes Amos. He has a long passage in the speech where he's talking about the parable of the Good Samaritan. And his professors in seminary taught him that the Bible was an ancient document. It's ancient history. It's ancient literature. You need to be an expert on the ancient past in order to understand it.

And his Old Testament professor was an archaeologist. But King says, no. No, anybody can understand the Bible because we are living in the Bible. And what's going on in Memphis is a new chapter in the Exodus. The Exodus is a story that keeps going on. For him, the Bible is only incidentally a book. The Bible is an ongoing narrative. The Exodus is still going on.

The Civil Rights Movement is a new chapter in the Exodus. And he has a similar interpretation of the parable of the Good Samaritan. Keith, what do you make of the speech where he says, if God would ask him what time period would he like to live in, he would pick the second half of the 20th century. Why would you think he would pick that? That's important because before King got to Memphis, the national press was paying zero attention to Memphis in the garbage worker strike. The garbage workers are all right. They were ignoring him too. And they were ignoring him too, right. They were trying to write him off. So when he gets there, he takes this Memphis strike, which the

press is ignoring. And he said, saying he's lining it up with these great events in history. I want to go back in time. I want to go back to the Exodus. I want to go back to the Emancipation Proclamation. And he's lining up the strike in Memphis with these great events in history. He's saying this is so important as opposed to the news meter and I'm not even paying attention to Memphis.

So he's redesigning the strike. This has got to be one of the speeches that I probably paid most attention to over the course of my career. I saw it as a roadmap. I saw it as, you know, King's way of lining out what justice really looked like. He says in this speech, you know, let us, let the issues remain where they are. The issue is justice. And he lines out that it is economic freedom, that it is political freedom, that it is a whole

host of things. And so I guess I ask you if you were talking to the young people of Ferguson today, if you were talking to the young people who filled the streets in New York or D.C., what salient point do you think they ought to take from this particular writing? King focuses on justice, and that's the reason to focus on the Exodus, because the Exodus is a story of escaping from oppression and escaping from slavery. What King is, to me, what he's saying about the president is, you are important, your issue is important, oppression can still be going on, we may need another exodus, and you may live

in some tiny town. You may live in a small neighborhood, in a giant city. You may think that you're not important. But these ordinary people, these strikers in Memphis, who most of them dropped out of high school, they were important players and an important drama. So he's saying that people who think they might be ordinary are capable of extraordinary deeds. And that's what fueled the civil rights movement, the masses of people who look like ordinary people who are making extraordinary sacrifices and creating extraordinary accomplishments. The book is an amazing book. It is Martin Luther King's biblical epic, his final great speech by Keith D. Miller.

Folks certainly read the book, but definitely you want to hear the speech. So I'm glad you let you break it down, Keith, because a lot of people, literally, I only hear that last part. Right. They totally ignore the other 45 minutes, if you will. Right. It is an absolutely phenomenal speech there. We appreciate it. Thanks a bunch.

Thank you, sir. All right, folks. Again, this is a copy of the book here. You heard him talking about Mason Temple. Here we go to my iPad. We were there in 2018 for the 50th commemoration, the assassination of Dr. King. This is me talking to our dear brother Bernard Lafayette, who just passed away last month. You can see how massive that church was.

And so if you go to our YouTube channel, just simply type in Roland Martin and MOK50, and you can look at all the coverage that we had from Memphis. in 2018. There were so many different things we covered, the unveiling the I Am a Man monument at Claiborne Temple as well. And so again, y'all can check that out. All right, folks, quick break.

Quick break. We come back. I have an interview, y'all, we showed a clip of White Pastor in Montana, man, who railed at Trump. This man was a part of the moral majority. And he's talking about how these white, evangelicals, these white conservative

evangelicals, have completely sold out America for profit by lining up with Donald Trump. It's a conversation you do not want to miss. You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network, support the work that we do. Join our Brena Funk fan club. You're going to give you a cash out, we use a stripe cure of code.

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Rowland at Rolandin.organtonunfert.com. Back at a moment. Agar Republicans ended diversity programs, cut funding for black students and fired federal employees. And they won't stop there. Now, they've redrawn congressional maps so that they can rig the November elections.

But we have the power to stop them. By voting yes for fair elections, we have the final say on who represents us in Congress. This is a temporary measure to restore our fair elections. measure to restore fairness. They are not backing down and neither can we. Make a plan to vote by April 21st and vote yes for fair elections. My name is Bill Duke and you're watching Roland Park unfiltered. Folks, Donald Trump is in power because white conservative evangelicals have stood fiercely behind him. They have covered up for his misdeeds. They have covered up for his misdeeds. They

ignored the heinous things that he has said about women and other people. They have chosen to do a deal with the devil. A couple days ago in the White House, there was a meeting that they had there. It was a Holy Week meeting. And among the folks speaking was Paula White. She heads Trump faith-based effort. And in this part of her comments, folks, unbelievable, she compared Donald Trump to Jesus Christ. Listen. Mr. President, no one has paid the price like you have paid the price. It almost cost you your life.

You were betrayed and arrested and falsely accused. It's a familiar pattern that our Lord and Savior showed us. but it didn't end there for him and it didn't end there for you. God always had a plan. On the third day, he rose, he defeated evil, he conquered death hell in the grave. And because he rose, we all know that we can rise. And, sir, because of his resurrection, you rose up. Because he was victorious, you were victorious.

And I believe that the Lord said to tell you this, because of his victory, you will be victorious in all you put your hand to. Because God is with you and God is using you to defeat evil, to restore families, to awaken the church, to harvest the nations, and to bring a worldwide revival. So I'm going to ask something. Would you all stand and just, if you're comfortable, stretch your hand towards our president? And even if Reverend Graham, you'd like to lay hands, on him and Pastor Robert. And just come in agreement with me for Second Chronicle 714 declares, if my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and pray, then I will hear from heaven

and forgive their sins and heal their land. So today we humble ourself and we seek you, Lord Jesus. You declared in Proverbs 1434 that it said the righteousness exalts a nation. I literally came in play all of that because y'all know that man is a fake Christian. You know he ain't real. And if you want to know that, this is what he said. He spoke for about an hour to these people. And see, the White House was supposed to be private.

Well, those idiots actually uploaded the whole ceremony. And we actually got a chance to hear Trump say this, and those faith leaders said nothing. Because the United States can't take care of daycare. That has to be up to a state. We can't take care of daycare. We're a big country. We have 50 states.

We have all these other people. We're fighting wars. We can't take care of daycare. You got to let a state take care of daycare, and they should pay for it too. They should pay. They have to raise their taxes, but they should pay for it.

And we could lower our taxes a little bit to them to make up, but it's not possible for us to take care of daycare. Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things. They can do it on a state basis. You can't do it on a federal. We have to take care of one thing, military protection. Those faith folks sat there and what this man said,

oh, yeah, we can't help people with their kids. We can't help people with daycare. But we can buy more bombs. The United States is almost spending a trillion dollars on the military. Trump wants to increase the military budget even more. It would be over a trillion dollars. A couple months ago, when we showed, you this clip of a pastor out of Montana who spoke against what Donald Trump is doing.

And I didn't know who he was. I had never heard of Pastor Chuck Baldwin until I saw this clip. But here was a white preacher talking to his congregation about Donald Trump. None of us is perfect. Real Christians understand these. things. They are given to forgiveness and understanding because we all know that Jesus was forgiving and understanding toward us. That's not what we're talking about with Donald Trump. That's not it at all. Donald Trump is a lifelong gangster. He's a lifelong Zionist. He is a lifelong philanderer. He's a lifelong cheat. He's a lifelong hedonist.

He's a lifelong felon. He's a lifelong blackmailer. He's a lifelong bully. He's a lifelong malignant narcissist. And he's a lifelong sexual predator. And since he's been president, he has now joined the ranks of international war criminals and mass murderers.

If you have taken the time to look at even some of the newly released, I'll call them e-files. You know what I'm talking about. If you have taken the time to look at even some of the newly released e-files, you know that Donald J. Trump, along with the rest of the rich and famous predators in those files, should spend the rest of his life. in prison. And if he did, that would not balance the scales of justice owed by this degenerate monster. But knowing all of this, there are still thousands of pastors and Christians who continue to give Trump their undying support from a moral, ethical, legal and spiritual perspective, how can these pastors and Christians not be party to Trump's corruption? By supporting him, lauding him, defending him, excusing him, they are party to his criminality.

I was like, who is this? So I had my producer Carol reach out. His name is Chuck Baldwin. He is pastor of Liberty Fellowship in Kila or Kila, Montana. And he preached about the divine litmus test and how preachers who look like him are not embodying the true essence of being a Christian. He is someone who you'll find out in this conversation. He was very much involved with the moral majority.

very much involved with right-wing ideologues who were preachers. He was a chaplain for the oathkeepers. The Southern Poverty Law Center has criticized him for his alignment. We talked about that as well. But he laid it out in terms of what needs to happen in this country. He calls out these white conservative evangelicals. In our conversation, he talks about discussion that should be happening with preachers, whether they're left or right, blue or red, Democrat or Republican or

independent. And also, he had some absolutely tough words for the Secretary of Defense Pete Hexath calling him a war criminal and an absolute white nationalist. Here's my conversation that Pastor Chuck Baldwin. Pastor Norman, I'm so glad to have you here. When I saw you. When I saw him, I saw him. your video, I was happy to see it. Listen, I'm a Christian, the Catholic Church I was born and raised in. It started my grandparents living room. My wife is an ordained minister. She was education minister to our church in Houston, Brookhalla Baptist Church. And listen, we understand the faith. And I have been extremely concerned when I look at a

a lot of conservative evangelicals in driving this ideology, a political ideology, ideology with faith. And so when you say what you had to say, what was the spark? What caused you to say, I need to say this publicly to my congregation? Well, first of all, Roland, thank you for letting me be on your program. I appreciate it very much. I appreciate all that you're doing. your voice is a major voice in our country that we need, and I thank you for doing it.

What motivated me was probably the same thing that motivates you. It is abhorrent and reprehensible to me to see how the Republican Party in particular and Donald Trump specifically have co-opted the mostly white evangelical churches. of our country. I think there's a couple of reason for that. Neither one of them are acceptable. But by doing what they're doing is they are alienating a huge number of people, not only in America, but around the world, against Christianity. They're not drawing people to Christ with this rhetoric, pro-war, pro-genocide, pro-Christian national. nationalism and all that nonsense. They are literally driving people away from the gospel.

And that bothers me immensely. And I just feel that if we pastors do not speak out with our podiums, then we are failing to resist the evil that is being perpetrated in our country today. So I just feel like it's my duty as a minister and as an American to speak out. I know a number. I know Christians, pastors who are Republican. I know Christians who are pastors are Democrats. I have no problem with people having different political points of view.

There are a lot of African-American preachers I know who's a lot of African-Americans who say I might be conservative in certain things in my life and also when it comes to my faith, but they also look at when you look at public policy in a different way. The issue that I really have is when I listen to these folks

who say, and they preach from the pulpit, you can't be a Democrat if you're a Christian. or how dare you take that position because this is where Jesus stands. Yet when I look at what Jesus talked about, when I think about this being Good Friday, when I listen to Jesus, Jesus talked about the poor,

talked about how do we help everyday people, the people Jesus sat with, the people who were not the most popular folks in the world, I hear something totally different when I'm listening to these evangelicals and what they tout, and they would rather be more aligned with the rich than the poor

with the folks in Manchester and not the downtry. And I just sit here and go, we're speaking about two different Jesus. Yeah. What we have is the politicization of religion. And you're exactly right. They have politicized,

their faith system to the point that their faith system is dependent upon their politics. And therefore, they judge everyone else's faith by their politics. And I've said many times from my pulpit that there are no Democrat Christians or Republican Christians or independent Christians. there are no American Christians or Canadian Christians or Iranian Christians or Russian Christians. We're just Christians. The New Covenant of Jesus Christ makes us all one in the body of Christ, regardless of our nationality, our ethnicity, our race, our politics, our geographical location, our financial status. None of that matters. If we know Christ is our Savior, we are one.

one in Christ by faith. And that's what the new covenant is all about. And I fear, and this is my biggest fear from a theological point of view, is that all of this politicization of religion has hidden the new covenant, obfuscated the new covenant, to the point that Christian people don't even understand the new covenant anymore. Literally, they're living in the Old Testament where there was this division between God's people, the Israelites, and the Gentile nations of the world. Obviously, there were exceptions to that, even in the Old Testament. But they have taken the Old Testament, and they are interpreting the New Testament by the Old Testament.

That's wrong. we need to be interpreting the Old Testament by the New Testament. The new covenant fulfilled and abolished the old covenant. But they don't understand that. They're still living under the Mosaic system. And that is very, very dangerous because that's not what Jesus gave to us through his death and resurrection. He gave to us a new covenant where they were all one in Christ. He broke down the barriers.

the wall that separates us racially, politically, nationally, ethnically, and ethnically, in any other way, those divisions are now all broken down by the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. As we were talking, I pulled up as this ex-account, Twitter account called Right Wing Watch. And they said, Maga Pastor Mark Burns at CPAC, 2006, Christian National. have been too silent and must rise up. And then, and I'm sure you saw what took place a couple days ago from these faith leaders convened at the White House. And the stuff that came out of Paula White's mouth,

Trump being persecuted like Jesus. But then when I listened to what he said, he is speaking to a room full of faith people, and he says, well, you know, we don't have the money for us. of daycare and Medicare and Medicaid, but we need the money for war, essentially. And I'm sitting there going, how did not one faith leader say,

I don't call them, I don't use the word, President, but let's just say, I'm sorry, Mr. President, as a person of faith, I simply cannot sit and be silent. As you say, let's not take care of health care and the children, but let's fund,

war. I just sat there and I was like, I like, really? Yeah. Well, first of all, those faith leaders are a disgrace. And we have to recognize that these men and women have literally sold their soul to power. And I don't know how much you know about my background, but I was there at the beginning of the more majority back in the days of Jerry Falwell. I graduated from Liberty University. Jerry and I were good friends. I flown with him on his jet. He spoke to my congregation that I had down in Florida, which was a large congregation of 2,000 members. I spoke for him. In Lynchburg, we traveled together to conferences domestically and internationally. So I was real close. And I was on the inside of that movement. I saw it.

from the inside. And I can tell you that while I believe that many of the grassroots men that were involved in that had really good hearts, the bottom line that came out of that movement was a marriage between the Republican Party and evangelical Christianity, at least white evangelical Christianity. It was a literal marriage that took place. From that point onward until today, to be a good Christian, you have to be a Republican. And to be a good faith leader, you have to sell your soul to the Republican Party. And that's a general statement that is absolutely true. I was there and I saw it so I know what I'm talking about.

But beyond that, with the advent of the Trump administrations, especially the second one, I believe what we have is a cult that has developed within white evangelicalism. I really do believe that. And I think that there's several reasons for it. I think the biggest reason for it is the evangelical support for the state of Israel, quite frankly. I believe that their perverted doctrine of eschatology has allowed Zionist Israel to control the theology, especially eschatology, in white evangelical churches.

And for the people who don't know, what is eschatology? That's the study of in times, prophecy. So the entire evangelical Christian world, well, I say not the entire, 80% of the evangelical Christians, which basically, if you look at it from a statistical perspective, we're talking about Baptists of all varieties, whether they're independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, Northern Baptist, General Association Baptist, there's a hundred different types of Baptist. But the Baptist denominations and the Pentecost, The Holocaust slash charismatic slash assembly of God type churches comprise the largest congregations nationally.

And they are the ones that have adopted Schofieldism, which is pre-millennial dispensationalism, which is Christian Zionism. They're all synonymous for the same mode of thinking. that their understanding of prophecy, eschatology, depends on the modern state of Israel. They believe that Zionist Israel founded in 1948 is a resurrected Old Testament Israel. They equate Benjamin Netanyahu to a resurrected King David. They believe that Jesus cannot come in return

until events in Israel take place and that Israel is the linchpin of the second coming of Christ. And everything about their prophetic beliefs is founded on Israel. It is so bad, Roland, that if you took Zionist Israel out of their faith system regarding Christianity, they would not have a faith system. And I don't say that lightly. I have talked to too many of them. I have debated them and I've seen what they're saying.

They have wrapped their entire view of biblical prophecy around the state of Israel. But prophecy is not about Israel. Prophecy is about Jesus. When John wrote the book of Revelation, it was the revelation of Jesus Christ, not the revelation of Israel. But they have become enamored with the state of Israel to the point that it dominates everything they believe about the New Testament. You might remember this. This took place in 2003.

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They yell Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. They want to hit people with scripture. They want to say, we condemn you Democrats on abortion. We condemn you on LGBTQ. We condemn you. But how are you both to keep taxing the poor? Yeah, and it's really worse than that because at the same time that they're doing what you talk about,

they have no problem with the billionaire class that we now know as the Epstein class. And that's exactly what that class is. It's the Epstein class. It's a perverted degenerate criminal class of super wealthy that believe they are above the law and whose criminal conduct is among the most vile, wicked, atrocious behavior in the history of mankind. I'm praying, and I have optimism to believe that this is going to come out. They're doing their best to hide it. They're not going to be able to hide it forever.

People are going to know names. There are going to know evidence. And I believe there will be accountability. And I believe that a lot of things that are happening right now in the war in Iran are nothing more an distraction and a cover-up for that. Nevertheless, the same Christians that are doing what you're talking about on the one side, there's another side to that. They have no problem whatsoever with giving the Epstein-class billionaires a total exemption from taxes. You know, most people, well, I'm not sure if most people know, but I know a lot of people know, that

The wealthiest people in the United States pay often the least amount of taxes. They have a bevy of lawyers that know how to take advantage of the tax loopholes and can avoid paying taxes. And so some of the largest corporations in the United States don't pay any taxes or very minimal. and many of the richest people in the United States pay very little taxes. And whenever you make that observation known to these same white evangelicals, they're fine with that.

You know, they think, oh, you know, they're smart or, you know, they have, I don't know what their excuse is, but they have no problem at all with the super wealthy using legal loopholes to not support the basic functions of civil government. And so I'm saying to you is that I think what the example you're using is only one half of it, because when you look at the other half, they're just as guilty. So the thinking of these people is warped by politics, by Republican politics.

That's why I go back to when I said in the 1980s and 90s, the marriage, and I call it a marriage, because it was. It's an unholy union, but it's a union nonetheless between the Republican Party and white evangelical Christianity. and that marriage is intact today. So, you know, they condemn the, and I do whenever, you know, I don't look at Republican Democrat. I look at right and wrong. When Democrat presidents are in the White House, they do things that I believe are unconstitutional or unChristian. I challenge them publicly. And then I'm a hero.

But whenever Republicans are president, I do the same thing. when they commit unconstitutionality or wars of aggression or unchristian behavior, I call them out. Well, then I'm a traitor. So it's all about politics. And that's the most disturbing part about that. As Christian ministers, we should be the most apolitical people that you will ever meet. You know, our responsibility is to speak the word of truth without fear or favor. we should be men and women who are not trying to gain something material from being on the correct side of politics.

But those faith leaders that you saw in the Oval Office, every one of them are benefiting financially from their support of President Trump. And it's been that way for as long as I can remember. It's not just Trump. It's all of them. So when you see these guys and gals doing all of this, they're not doing it out of pure biblical conviction. They also have a financial stake in the matter. And that's the sickening part. To me, that's the sickening part.

We should not let anything money or praise or popularity or unpopularity or criticism either way. affect what we believe is the truth from God to tell the people. You just say it in terms of the criticism that you'll get. And you've been called ultra-conservative, right-wing, folks, alliance with old keepers and all those things. What was the shift? What was the wake-up call for you, where you went, and it was a whole lot that I was involved in. You talked about a more majority, and I've talked to other Frank Schaefer and others who were there at the beginning.

They were the sons of folks involved in the movement. You see, when I think of Paul Weirich in 1981 in Dallas saying we don't want everybody to vote, He was somebody who was founder of the more majority, founder of the Heritage Foundation. And so, but was it one thing? What was the wake up call for you where you said, oh, uh-uh, where these folks are going, I can't be aligned with this? Good question. Thank you for asking that question.

When I was in more majority, I was there on the ground floor, as I said. So I saw the inside, and we could talk for an hour just on that. So I was there. I know most all the names that you could talk about. I've met most of the people you could talk about. I spoke on the same platforms as most of the people you're talking about, traveled with them. I mean, I was there.

I was very young. I was about 29 years old when I first started. I didn't understand most of what all of this was about. I trusted my mentors. You know, when you're a young adult, you're trained in school in a certain philosophy, whatever it is, whether it's secular or religious, you tend to look up to respect and rightfully so and then embrace. what you've been taught and then

when I got on my own and my own congregation, I regurgitated most of what I was taught. You said the wake-up call. Okay, so I'll tell you when the wake-up call came for me. There was a mini-wake-up call in 1996

and then the real wake-up call in 2003. So the mini-wake-up call was when the Republican Party party was nominating Bob Dole to be their presidential candidate. And I knew Bob Dole's record. I knew what he was politically, and it was unacceptable to everything I understood about constitutional law and American government. And I would not support him.

And there's a long story about that. We had a big convention down in Orlando, and I was the, I was a chairman of the Ascambia County Republican delegation, and I went down there and we vocally opposed Bob Dole, and we were the off scouring of the convention. But anyway, so. Things that happen to the way. Jill Scarborough and I were good friends at that time. I had a nationally syndicated radio talk show. I was in Congress. He went in there without my radio talk show,

and he admitted that himself. His parents did that in person. So we had a good working relationship, and, you know, the bottom line, I reached a point where that the pressure on me was, you know, look, we've got, for the good of the part, unity of the party. You know, blah, blah, blah, you've got a, you know, you're the last holdout.

You know, I'm the last major voice in Republican politics that's not on board where Bob Dill. And I've got, you know, and so Joe put the pressure on me. And I confess to you, Roland, and I'm not, I'm not proud of this. I'm ashamed of it. I relented, and I met Bob and Joe at the airport in Pensacola, Florida, and press was all there. and I endorsed him. I still had my protest pins on, but I endorsed him. And then I went out to my car in the parking lot of the airport and threw up. And I felt so sick. I vowed I'd never do that again. And I haven't. That was the first mini wake-up call. Then the thing that put me over the edge was in the George W. Bush administration in 2003. When he decided to take America to war and send American troops unconstitutionally, unjustly, illegally, immorally to war in Afghanistan

and Iraq. And when he did that, I was still on my radio show, and I just, I said, no, that's a bridge too far. And I devoted myself to opposing G.W. Bush and his policies at that point. Well, that created everything else that came afterward. So when you asked for the wake-up calls, those were the two things that really shook me and forced me to be objective from a moral Christian constitutional view and not be swayed by position, power, and politics. And also oathkeepers. when you talk when when you know issue of COVID and and again what's interesting here

and I guarantee you there's people say well I can't believe you're talking to this guy because again because you've had folks say oh my goodness this guy has been aligned with you know these anti-government right-wing Christians and oh my God he's a zealot And then when you made these comments about Trump, I saw Occupy Democrats had posted something, and people were shocked by this. And so where you sit now, how do you define yourself?

Because earlier you said, I don't look at Republican Christians, because it's like, you're sort of like, I'm going to say, no man's land, but that whole infrastructure that exists out there, they're probably looking at you going, come on man what what you're doing yeah i can understand that uh i have a problem of that but but most those people don't really know me uh even when i had my big church down in florida you know

we had a large minority percentage of our congregation and i've always i've spoken at at all black churches many times um some of the best friends i have have today are black people. And I've never had a problem. I've been accused by people like the SPLC, Southern Probably Law Center, and other, what I would call far-left organizations, that have accused me of all kinds of things erroneously and falsely. I'm used to that. These people don't don't really know me. They take certain things I say out of context and then they build a case against me publicly and that's fine. I mean, they have a right to their opinion. I just, most of them don't really know me. But the oathkeeper thing, so when I was asking,

what was it, 2013 to be the chaplain of oathkeepers, I went over the, the statements, the bylaws or whatever you want to call them, the Articles of Faith to use a religious term, of what they were all about. And what they said was they were about defending the Constitution and protecting the Constitution. And I support that because the Constitution protects the freedoms of all Americans, not just a certain class, not just a certain race, not just a certain religion. The Constitution makes us all equal under the law. And I'm for the Constitution. I'm for the rule of law. And I believe that we should all be treated the same under the law, that there are no special privileged people under the law.

And that our constitutional form of government has provided the greatest freedom for all people that any human government has ever provided in the history of human. humanity. So I support the Constitution. So it was attractive to me. And I agreed to be the, and I'm glad I was providentially because, and this is another long story that we could talk about at another time, but if you remember, Bundyville took place down in Nevada while I was a chaplain there. And there was some very legitimate considerations that were going on there. The federal government was not behaving in a constitutional manner. And there needed to be some people to protest the abuse of power by the federal government in that case. And I believe very much in freedom, freedom for all Americans. And I do not support in any shape, manner or form the abuse of power

by government. And I think that every American citizen should be alarmed when any abuse of power takes place by governing officials. And I support it across the board. I don't care about whether it's liberal or a conservative or black or white. It doesn't matter to me. If the government officials are not abiding by their sworn duty to uphold the Constitution, it's the job of the American people to rise up and resist that. So I was proud to go down and be a part of that, I had the opportunity as a chaplain to speak to the body of men that had assembled down there. And I told them, and all this is on videotape, I said, look, if we are going to have God's blessing on what we do, we cannot break the law ourselves, that we must be law abiders. We cannot

criticize people in government for breaking the law if we turn around and break the law ourselves. And I said that we have to be sure that what we are doing is right under God, under law, and we have to do that which is right ourselves in the way that we protest, in the way that we appeal to the freedoms of all men. And so I think that had an impact. And I'd like to think that what I had a impact. to say to those fellows helped to temper some of the feelings and some of the emotions that took place in that occasion. And thank God, there was no bloodshed. There was no violence at all. And I want

to tell you, that was a tenderbox situation that could have gone bad really, really fast. And it didn't. And I would hope to think that my presence there and my appearance before those men and what I said to them helped in that regard. But what happened was when the COVID situation came around, Stuart, who was the president, he went whole hog in support of the lockdowns, churches, disassembling. You can't meet for Easter services. You can't meet for Sunday services. You can't meet for prayer meetings. You have to close your church. And I said, no. And we stayed open the whole time. And whenever Stewart came out with that pronouncement, I immediately, the next day, I sent him my resignation letter. And I haven't been a part of it since. And I'm glad.

with a good conscience that I walked away. So, yeah, that was the story for that. But the people that have criticized me have, I think, for the most part, taken things out of context and they don't really know him. I had a young black man. If I have time to tell this, a short story, I had a young black man up in Chicago who was a college student. and who saw something that I had written about the Second Amendment.

I'm very pro Second Amendment. I believe that all Americans have a right to defend themselves legally under the law. And I had written about that. And this young man had gotten in with a group of anti-Second Amendment zealots in college. And he wrote me a threatening letter. He threatened to kill me. and my family. So, and I've had threats before, and, you know, that's just the way it goes when you're in public eye.

So I went, the state attorney, they're called district attorneys in some districts. I went to him as a personal friend of mine, and I said, here I got this death threat. And he said, well, you know, he said, this, this. we take this very seriously, this is, this is a violation of law. He said, if you want, he said, we can bring him down here and, and you can sit down and have a talk with him. We won't press charges unless you ask us to. But he said, it'll give you a chance to meet with him one on one. And I thought, you know, that's a great idea.

I'd like to meet this young man. Come to find out he was a child of a pastor up there in Chicago. and his mom and dad knew nothing of what he had done and who he was associating with in college. And they were heartbroken and you can imagine. So anyway, they all flew down. He flew down in handcuffs. And we had a meeting at the state attorney's office. In my heart of hearts, I knew I was not going to press charges.

I knew that even before I met him. but I wanted to meet him face to face. I wanted him to see me, and I wanted him to see the people around me. So when we came in and met, I had probably 15 or 20 of my black brothers and sisters from my congregation joined me at that meeting and my family,

and my children were small, And so the young man, I said, look, here's who I am. You know, and I said, I love you as, as a fellow American, as a fellow brother in Christ. You know, I understand your dad's a preacher. I'm a preacher. You know, I love preachers' families. And I said, you know, I want you to know who I am. Here's my wife.

Here's my kids. And then these black brothers and sisters from my church, came out one-on-one and talked to him and told him a little bit about them and told him a little bit about us as a congregation and who we were and how we loved each other and the spirit of love and unity that we had among each other. And, you know, and when he saw that, you know, he was probably 20 years old. And I mean, it changed him. He saw that things are not just black and white. and I don't mean that from a racial, but I mean that from an abstract. You know, things are not, but you just can't categorize people and generalize.

Oh, he's a white man, so I have a negative opinion about him. He's a black man, so I have a negative opinion about. No, that's not what Christianity is all about. That's not what Americanism is all about. And so, you know, of course, I didn't press charges, and he didn't have no charge, no time, no, nothing. however. But it gave us an opportunity

for me to meet him, for him to meet me, and it was a good thing for both of us. And so, you know, that's the kind of thing that nobody knows about Chuck Baldwin. That's the kind of thing that people will never read in a newspaper or see on a television

broadcast. So, I understand that people can take things that they say and make form whatever opinions, but God knows who I am and I'm happy with who I am and I'm happy to be on your show and I love you for what you're doing and nothing could ever change that.

I wrote my book called White Fear How the Brownie of America is making white folks lose their minds. It's a good title. It's scared a lot of folks. But what I said in this book was I said that what we are facing right now

and I called it in 2009 when I was at CNN. is that there's this fear of the nation becoming majority of people of color. I said it's in public policy. I said people don't want to confront it. When I look at a lot of the, when I study the rhetoric, and what I said was what is really needed is not black folks talking to white Americans. I said, no, I need white Americans talking to white Americans.

And when we've been talking about what your criticism of Trump and others, are you seeing that? Are you seeing the folk who you used to be aligned with, now maybe mad at you, are those conversations happening white on white conversations about this changing of America and how this hardcore merging of political? ideology with conservative Christian ideology how that is not good for the country. Is that happening? Should it happen? Your thoughts on that? Is it happening?

Yes and no. It depends on who you're talking to. I know that in a lot of circles, the conversation is very much alive in well. And there's no angst about it. The demographics of our country have shifted and will continue to

shift. That's why it's so important that we understand that America is about the rule of law. America is not about a race. It's not about a religion. It's not about a political ideology. And my my consternation is with both sides of the political spectrum. Let's be honest, Roland. There's a lot of people that are criticizing Trump that said nothing when Joe Biden was helping Benjamin Netanyahu to murder hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children. They were all for it. then whenever

Trump comes along and he continues the Biden policy of supporting the genocide in Gaza oh now they're morally outraged so there's a lot of hypocritical standards on both sides of the aisle let's be honest

but that's the thing that I try to fight is to try to get over the fact that America is a nation of law, not political ideology, not race, not political opinion or personal opinion, or even religious opinion. The freedom of religion is for all of us. The freedom of speech is for all of us. The freedom to assemble, to redress and protest government is for all of us. is for all of us.

We must all respect each other as Americans and as human beings created in the image of God. We should not focus at all on the political ideology, the religious ideology, the makeup of racially. That really should not matter to any of us. But it's interesting that. But it should.

saying that because as we're talking, literally this just popped up. The Pentagon is hosting a Good Friday service just for Protestants and not Catholics. A statement went out, it said, just a friendly reminder, that will be a Protestant service, parentheses, no Catholic mass, for Good Friday today at the Pentagon Chapel. That was according to a Friday email that was sent by the Air Force leadership. And what is, again, I sit here and I go, and again, I was born and raised Catholic. I'm no longer Catholic. I left when I was 25, I'm still a Christian.

But when you see what Peter Hegg said is doing at the Pentagon, when you see, again, Republicans love the Catholic Church because of its opposition to abortion. but they hate the Catholic Church by their position on the death penalty as well as the Pope's position on what was happening with Israel in Gaza and Palestinians. I sit here and go,

what are we talking about? Like, it's crazy. Peter Hexeth is not only a war criminal, and I mean that literally, not figuratively. he is under the definition of war crime. He is a war criminal. But not only that, he's a heretic. He has taken Christianity and turned it into a doctrine of hate and a doctrine of war, and a doctrine of division.

He is a white nationalist. and his vision of faith is completely counter to everything Jesus taught and everything that the New Testament teaches. As I said earlier in our interview here, we are in the body of Christ, which means that we are one in Christ. So war is the antithesis of the body of Christ. How can one part of the body in one country hate and commit unlawful war against another part of the same body? There are tens of thousands of Christians in Iran. and they worship freely. And that's what a lot of people don't.

The propaganda about Iran and the propaganda about the Palestinian people is so massive that everybody in the United States almost buys into this idea about who the Iranian people are, that they're these monsters, subhuman, you know, the Amalekites of 2026. without a soul that they're like animals that we can just slaughter. That's the view of Benjamin Netanyahu and Ben-Gavir and these other ultra-Zionists in Israel. And unfortunately, there's a lot of professing Christians that share that view. The Iranian people are not at all what they are described as being. And the fact that there are many thousands of Christians that worship in Iran without persecution, is a testament to the diversity of the nation and the accommodation of people of differing faiths within the nation of Iran.

So when we go bomb Iran, we are killing fellow Christians. A large percentage of the Palestinian people, and I haven't been to Iran personally, but I have been to the Middle East. I have been to Egypt and Syria. I've been to Jordan. I've been to all around Israel and West Bank, Gaza. I've been there. I've met Palestinian people. I've talked to them in their homes.

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It breaks my heart because I know these people. and Hexeth is the quintessential hate monger. You know, if the SPLC is looking for somebody that represents hate, then Pete Hexeth is their guy. Because this is a man that has taken Christianity, taking it back to the old covenant, improperly applied the old covenant laws to his version of, hate, division, and war. And those are the three words that really define Pete Hedges-Seth's ideology.

Hate, war, and division. And that's all of those three are the polar opposite of Christianity. Last question for you. When I look at, I recently had Jim Wallace on the show. I'm sitting here. I did a book interview. I'm sitting here looking at Dr. King's book, Strength to Love, of course, on this day in 1968. He gave his last servant in Mason Temple. I'm looking at Reggie Williams' book on Dietrich Bonhoeffer called Bonhofer's Black Jesus.

Yeah. I think about, I think about Bishop William Barber and others. And then I think about Franklin Graham, who was always hesitant when it was asked is Obama a Christian but oh my God he went to CPAC and said we need a third term for Donald Trump

right and and as somebody who was in the more majority movement as somebody who is now critical of many aspects of white conservative Christianity

what's next how What happens next? I rarely see these forces, these divergent forces sitting and having a public conversation. Ralph Reed has his Faith and Freedom Conference, and

I joke every year, I'll go look at the agenda and I never see the poor on that agenda. And I would love to see Jim Wallace and Bishop William Barber sitting across from a Ralph Reed and Franklin Graham and say,

no, no, let's have a real public conversation about Christianity, faith, politics, and the future of America in this world. Just your thoughts on

is that needed, that public conversation back and forth as opposed to folk operating and sitting in different ideological faith-based courts. Of course.

Of course it's needed. That has been the history of our Republican small R reform of government. Is dialogue, debate, discourse.

That's one of the scary things about the last 25 years is that that the discourse and the debate and the discussion has in many ways disappeared at least and especially in the religious realm. Now thank God for you know back in the day talk shows was you know the the the vogue element of communication and I was a part of that.

I came in two years after wrestling ball started his program. I started mine. So I kind of was in on the ground floor of that. And now that's been replaced more or less with what you're doing in the podcast movement, which is, I think, tremendous because it has reopened the dialogue that should have been taking place all along, but had waned since Bush became president. So absolutely, absolutely. I mean, and that's the problem that we face on a geopolitical level as well,

because our country has refused to really have dialogue with other countries. We don't want to hear what other countries. have to say. We want to bully them into doing what we want them to do. And if they don't submit to our hegemony, then we threaten them with violence. And Iran is just the latest example of that, but it's certainly not the first. And that's the way we've been conducting foreign policy for a long time. So we're not even talking to people in other countries. Diplomacy at the national level is almost nonexistent. And I think that is a reflection and a byproduct of the lack of diplomacy that's taking place inside the United States.

We are talking at each other. We're not talking with each other. And so to your point, I mean, I don't know how anyone could even question what you're suggesting. But when you talk about the Franklin Graham's of the world, though, and believe me, I don't know Franklin Graham personally. Okay, he's one of the one. I was around when his dad was still around. So I didn't really get to know Franklin Graham. But I can tell you these guys that we all know by name,

For the most part, they're not having these discussions, and they're not interested in having these discussions. They have a personal agenda, and they have a financial agenda. And again, I go back to that because this is the thing that just I saw up close. Let me give you one example. So we're sitting in Washington, D.C. at a press conference, and I was involved. in many of those. The leaders of the more majority, Falwell, and several others were the

panelists, and the rest of us were spectators in the audience. And I, again, I was just a young guy. So I remember one of the questions that was asked of, and if I name him, everybody would know his name. And so I said, this question

is for so-and-so, and here's the question. He said, okay, so I've heard a lot of discussion about, you know, what you're saying, but can you tell me succinctly in just one statement what it is that you really want? I mean, Memorial Geordie was very new back then, and it grew very exponentially to a place of prominence almost overnight. And so it was kind of an unknown commodity at that level. And so I thought it was a good question, actually. I thought to myself, as I heard, I said, wow, that's a great question.

Give us an opportunity to tell the public what really we are all about. Show our heart. Let's just talk from our heart and say we love America. We want goods for America. We believe in the basic

values of decency and humanity and all this. That's what I was thinking in my mind. So the man that answered the question, I'll never forget his answer. It's still in my mind and it blew me away. And what he said was this,

all we want is a seat at the table. What? All that we're going through, all this labor and energy and tears and sweat and work is so that some of you guys can have a seat at the king's table, but that's in the minds of many, of them, that's exactly what it was. It wasn't about what was good for the country. It was they wanted a seat at the power table.

And when you're sitting at the king's table rolling, and believe me, I saw it, there are perks beyond belief. And I fear that what we have among those people that were in that Oval Office you're talking about was exactly that. They got their seat at the table. And with that seat at the table comes manifold, material reward.

So if that is what's driving you, you're not interested in honest dialogue. You're not interested in hearing another point of view because your agenda is enriching yourself, and that is your priority. I hate to say that. I don't get joy out of saying this because some of these people are people that I've known, sat with next to, dined with, spoken with, been with. I'm just being honest about it. And so, yes, there is dialogue, I believe, going on and increasing. But there is an element among the white event.

And it might be in the black. You can speak more to the black audience than I can. But I think in these different groups of Americans, there are some, like you and I want to be honest, and we want to dialogue. and we want to share the things that we have in common that make our country a better country. And there are other people that have ulterior motives in mind that are in it for whatever they're getting out of it. And no, they're not interested in dialogue.

So I think the answer to the question is yes and no. Well, and that's why to your point, I've long said that when you are a religious leader, a faith leader, your job is to have, a prophetic voice and not want a profit to be a profit. So there's PRO F-I-T and there's PRO-F-I-T and there's PRO-P-H-E-T. Yes, and real and real prophetic leaders may say, President Barack Obama, I like you and support you, but here's the truth.

You may have someone who says that Donald Trump, I like you and support you, but here's the truth. And I use the biblical model. again when the people because I did a whole video when I said okay America y'all said y'all wanted a king okay y'all got your king and I said the people of Israel they said oh we want a king

and the prophet going what are you talking about? God is your leader and God said okay I'm going to let y'all have a king but I'm going to tell you what the king is going to do to you that's exactly right and we saw what happened when they and they got their wish said no no no we want a king like everybody else

God said okay this is what the king is going do to you. And I remind people in the Bible, prophets spoke to David, to Saul, and others, and said, here's the truth. They weren't friends. They may love them, but they said, God told me they speak true to you. The problem that I see with many of these white conservative evangelicals is they don't want to speak true, to your point, they want to be sitting at the table of power, they're not there with a prophetic voice. And that to me is what's

troubling as we move forward in this country. And so they have to be challenged, they have to be pushed. And again, they can support Donald Trump, but they're going to have to defend the policies according to their faith. And too many of them are

actually not doing that. So, Pastor Chuck Baldwin, I appreciate this conversation. I hope folk get something out it. And I really do. I really do. I hope that among many conservative white evangelicals, they begin to ask some serious questions. And that is, like the preacher, I think I in North Carolina, I ran a video when he said, don't you dare buy a Bible that has the U.S. Constitution in it. He said, those two documents don't go together. And he went real hard.

And he said, listen, the Constitution is separate from the Bible. And so people, were upset with him, but he said he was there to give a prophetic voice in terms of where we are in this country. And I just think a lot of people need to be challenged on these very issues. I couldn't agree more, and that's what I'm trying to do. And I'm the white guy. And so I'm not very popular among a lot of other white evangelicals. But I made a decision years ago that wasn't my motivation. And I wasn't going to be sweeps. by that. So I do my best, Roland. I'm sure I fail. I mean, we're all weak and we're all sinful and we all fall short. But in my heart of hearts, I'm dedicated to truth and I'm dedicated

to being a spokesman for truth as I understand it. And I'm not going to be intimidated. I'm not going to be bribed. I'm not going to be bullied. I've been, I've lived, I thank I thank God for what I lived through because it gave me an insight and a perspective that I needed that now I can draw from and clarify truth to the people of our country, especially the white evangelical community. And so, you know, I thank God, you know, where he brought me to. And for as much time as I have left, I'm going to just speak to truth regardless of who likes it and who doesn't and

be very happy in doing it. All right. Well, I appreciate that. And I'm going to make sure my producer to get your address. I'm a send you a copy of my book for you to check out my book by here. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

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