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Episode Date: May 2, 20245.1.2024 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: LA's Congressional Map Rejected, College Protests Spreading, Kristen Clarke & Domestic Violence A new Louisiana congressional map giving the state a second majori...ty-Black House district was rejected by a panel of federal judges. We'll talk to an attorney from the LDF about what's next in this battle to ensure black votes matter. Hundreds arrested, classes canceled as campus demonstrations across the U.S. intensify. Award Winning Journalist and professor Rula Jebreal will discuss the growing number of pro-Palestinian students putting it all on the line. Justice Department's Kristen Clarke says she was a victim of domestic abuse. We'll read her statement revealing why she chose not to disclose her expunged arrest record during the Senate confirmation process. I'll talk to an HR expert about how the new non-compete agreement ban will affect employer-employee relationships. And in tonight's Tech Talk segment, Isaac Hayes III, the Founder of Fanbase, will discuss the integration of artificial intelligence in music production. #BlackStarNetwork partner: Fanbasehttps://www.startengine.com/offering/fanbase This Reg A+ offering is made available through StartEngine Primary, LLC, member FINRA/SIPC. This investment is speculative, illiquid, and involves a high degree of risk, including the possible loss of your entire investment. You should read the Offering Circular (link) and Risks (link) related to this offering before investing. Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Well, the battle over a second black congressional district in Louisiana is not over. A three-judge panel voted two to one, two Trump appointees,
against using the map recently passed by the Louisiana legislature. Now, of course, that was
passed after a different federal judge blocked the map in 2022. Now, again, this has been going on for quite some time. Twelve self-described non-African American voters challenged this new district.
The lawsuit said the districts amounted to unconstitutional racial gerrymandering and discriminated against white voters while putting together disparate areas of the state into one district now it's uncertain if this second
district is going to be in place come november yep and there we go jared evans is a senior policy
counsel the illegal defense fund uh he joins us right now glad to have you uh on the show so
okay here's what's crazy y'all, in this lawsuit, it's been going
back and forth. It goes all the way to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court says, got to create a second
district. All right. Conservatives, Republicans try to get the Fifth Circuit to rule against it,
try to get another crack of the apple. Doesn't work. legislature got no choice. They read that.
So they redraw it, create the second district. Now
all of a sudden, another lawsuit now claiming racial
gerrymandering. Isn't this an attempt to try
to restart the clock and to stop this from being
created? Well, good evening, Roland. Thank you
for having me. It's great to be with you again.
Obviously, we are disappointed in the decision from yesterday. Our goal has always been to have
a map in place with two Black districts for 2024. And yesterday's ruling was on the map that the
governor supported. This map was never our map. It was never the map that the Black Caucus had got behind. It wasn't
the map that the civil rights community had supported. There are seven different plans that
we have submitted and socialized for the past two years. So, you know, we're disappointed that there
wasn't resolution from the court's ruling that this will continue for another couple of months,
we expect. But, listen, we're taking a lot of positives from yesterday's
ruling. First and foremost, it appears clear now to everyone that there must be a map in place for
the two black districts. As you alluded to in your opening, the Supreme Court has said that,
the district court has said that, and even this three-judge panel from yesterday, they essentially
just said that this particular map can't be used going
forward. They didn't address the issue of whether there should be a second black district, because
I think at this point, everyone who's involved in this process, the courts, the stakeholders,
everyone kind of accepts that that's what's going to be the case.
So I was looking at, so first of all, for the audience. So what was this panel yesterday? Because again,
y'all been going back and forth with the Fifth Circuit. So who were these judges yesterday?
This was a three-judge panel from the Western District of Louisiana. Anytime that you are
litigating a constitutional issue or an issue related to the 14th Amendment. The plaintiffs,
as they refer to themselves as non-African Americans, when they challenge this plan,
they raise constitutional challenges. So from the bat, you get a three-judge panel,
which means that the only place you can appeal to after that is the Supreme Court. So these were three judges from the Western District of Louisiana. Okay. So this ruling doesn't have to now go through
the Budget Appeals Court. The Supreme Court has to take it up. We have appealed to the Supreme
Court. Yes. Today we filed our notice of appeal and a notice for an emergency stay with this court, that we are asking the
Supreme Court to allow SBA to go forward, because we're rolling the elections in six months.
And right now, Louisiana is the only state in the country that does not have a congressional map.
The legislature has passed two maps. The first one was the one that we challenged in court that
continued to pack Black voters in
New Orleans and Baton Rouge into the same district, creating the most gerrymandered
district in the country. Two years ago, the district court struck that map down as a violation
of Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. And yesterday, the legislature—the court struck down
SB 8, which was the legislature's attempt to comply with Section 2 of the Voting
Rights Act as a violation of the Constitution. So as of yesterday, Louisiana does not have a
congressional map. And so we start the process on Monday of figuring out the remedial process.
We'll be back in Shreveport to meet with those judges and the opposing counsel to figure out,
you know, what the process is going to be. But in the meantime, Roland, we're not taking our chances. It's time for the Supreme Court
to weigh in. As you alluded to and went through when you're opening, we've been going through
this litigation for two full years now. And if you think back to when we started our census outreach
and when the roadshow process started, it's been almost three years since we have been fighting
for a congressional map of two black districts. So our clients are ready for resolution.
You know, everyone is just kind of ready for a finality.
So it's time for the Supreme Court to step in, and we fully expect them to.
So this is Michael Lee with the Brennan Center posted these tweets earlier.
And so just correct me if I'm wrong, the pink area apparently is the, this is the map that Louisiana approved.
Yes, that's correct. And this map reflects the priorities of the governor.
Right, of Republicans. So anybody who's watching this, looking at this map, you will see how the
other districts are picked. Essentially, they are connected. They are compacted.
Now, the remedial map that was discussed,
you see in the pink here,
this actually makes a hell of a lot more sense
because it's much more compacted.
So explain to us, again,
for people who don't do this every day,
the difference between the two.
And so the first one, this is the Republican map.
They purposely are snaking through different areas to try to create this. Explain this.
Well, it's kind of hard to explain this one, Roland. But this is the map, again,
it reflects the political priorities of the legislature. Their goal was to get rid of
Congressman Garrett Graves,
who currently represents District 6 and has a majority white population. Based off of where
black people are situated in the state, one district has to be based in New Orleans. That's
District 2 in the green. And the other district, which is the one in dispute right now, that's
district—the other district that's based in Baton Rouge, that's the pink. It can either be District 5 or District 6.
And what the majority did is that they started right there in East Baton Rouge Parish, went
all the way up through the Kenner—Kenner region in Opelousas and St. Landry Parish.
They got the black neighborhoods in Alexandria and Rapides, got Olive Natchitoches Parish,
my home parish, parts of DeSoto,
if you go towards the top, and then the city of Shreveport and Caddo Parish, which is the
predominantly black areas. Again, this is not our map. This is the map that the governor wanted,
because he wanted to punish his political rivals, and it is the map that he got the legislature to
go along with. So you have a map here that literally snakes
from, if you
look at this here, from southern
Louisiana through the middle
of Louisiana, almost
to northern Louisiana.
Almost to the Texas border.
That's correct.
As opposed to
a map that is
a lot more, this was a mediation map.
So number two, and this is a remedial plan, I'm sorry.
So this is what actually makes a lot more sense.
If you look at how the other districts are sort of created, they're connected.
Absolutely.
This map is much more compact. look at how the other districts are sort of created, they're connected. Absolutely. This
map is much more compact. These are shapes that we're used to seeing, rectangles and squares and
ovals. These objects in this map, it makes a whole lot more sense to go directly north from
Baton Rouge and East Baton Rouge Parish all the way up to the Delta along the Mississippi River
and connect the black neighborhoods in Monroe and Alexandria.
This map just makes a whole lot more sense to us.
So, OK, so now you filed your appeal.
Look, the Supreme Court can take their sweet time.
Now, Louisiana is claiming that the maps have got to be in place by May 15th.
Let me remind people even how we got here.
2022, early 2022, a judge ruled the map was unconstitutional.
The Supreme Court said, oh, because they have this so-called rule,
you know, freeze it in place because now the time, which is nonsense,
because Louisiana's primary is in August.
They could have easily
passed a new map in time for the 22 election, which means unconstitutional maps were used.
So therefore, the Republicans had an extra representative.
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Council. From Louisiana, because that 22 map was allowed to go forward. Republicans have been
trying to run the clock out because they want to keep that same map in place in 2024 because,
and if they're successful, then that guarantees them another member of Congress as opposed to
this, as opposed to this new map, which basically will
create a second Democratic district in Louisiana because of how black folks vote. Yeah, you got,
you hit the nail on the head, Roland. The Secretary of State has represented in court that May 15th
is their deadline to have a map in place. That is their deadline. I fully expect that we're
going to blow past that by at least a
couple of weeks, if not a month or so, because the Supreme Court, they have to agree to take up the
case, which we expect them to, and then there has to be briefing. But we fully expect by the end of
June, we should know what kind of posture we're going to be in. And look, as you alluded to,
Roland, it's always a roll of the dice with this Supreme Court.
They can be very unpredictable.
But we start this process going to the highest court optimistic, because just last year in
the Alabama case, they ruled in favor of black voters.
They said that Section 2 is the law of the land and that race can be used in drawing
maps.
And the facts are so similar between Alabama and Louisiana.
So we don't think that anything has substantively changed from last year to this year to a Supreme
Court will all of a sudden say, oh, the Voting Rights Act isn't the law of the land, or,
oh, well, we're going to allow this other map to go forward.
We're going to ask them to allow SB 8, which is the map that you have first on the screen,
to go forward, simply because it gives us what we originally sued for.
Even though we don't like it, even though it doesn't—it's not a compact map, even
though it doesn't pass the eyeball test, it is the priority of the legislature.
And they have the sole authority—the Constitution of Louisiana gives the legislature the authority
to pass a map.
And look, if that's their map, if that's what they want and it gives us what we want, THE CONSTITUTION OF LOUISIANA GIVES THE LEGISLATURE THE AUTHORITY TO PASS A MAP. AND LOOK, IF THAT'S THEIR MAP,
IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT AND IT
GIVES US WHAT WE WANT, EVEN
THOUGH WE'RE NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT,
EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T LIKE IT,
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT BECAUSE
IT IS SO IMPORTANT, ROLAND, TO
HAVE A MAP IN PLACE FOR 2024.
WE CANNOT GO THROUGH ANOTHER
ELECTION UNDER AN ILLEGAL AND
UNLAWFUL MAP.
SO WE'RE GOING TO ASK THE
SUPREME COURT TO LIFT lift the stay, to allow SBA to go forward
for 2024, and then hopefully pick back up the fight in 2025 to see what the map is going
to look like for 2026, which, by the way, is the same thing that we're doing in Alabama.
We have a map in place with two black districts for this fall's elections in Alabama, because
the primaries were earlier. But the litigation picks right back up in January. We will be right back
in the court to start the fight for 2026 in Alabama. And, you know, if I had to had to bet,
I'd say right now that's what the same thing is going to happen in Louisiana. The Supreme Court
is going to give us this map, allow SBA to go forward, and then we'll start the full process
to allow the experts to come in and testify to have a full trial on the merits for 2025. Okay. Well, we certainly, again, it's a lot
of back and forth, and you got folks who don't want to take no for an answer. And so the legal
battle continues. Jarrett, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thanks for having me, Roland.
All right, folks. I got to go to break. We'll come back.
We'll talk about this with our panel, talk about some other issues as well.
I keep telling you all, it shows you the power of the black vote when people work this hard to stop the creation of a second black congressional district,
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Rebecca, I'll start with you.
I mean, look, this battle in Louisiana, this is about power.
It's about resources.
It's about control.
Republicans in that state, the last thing they want to do is lose a congressional seat. They're
going to have to lose it because of the black population there. And again, we talk about this.
This is why people need to understand the power of the black vote. They desperately,
Republicans desperately want to dilute the black vote in order to
suppress our power.
Absolutely, Roland.
Here's the thing.
If Republicans actually presented policy alternatives to the Democratic Party, then maybe more black
voters would decide to vote Republican instead of voting predominantly Democrat.
I mean, that's the
bottom line. But, you know, what's really interesting is also the backdrop of this.
I think it was yesterday or the day before, there's been maneuvering to take some of the
white areas of Baton Rouge and actually formalize and create a new community. So, in essence,
it is a bunch of white folks trying to secede from a
majority Black Baton Rouge. So we understand that race is at the bottom of what's happening
in Louisiana. And it's also what struck me is the specific description of 12 non-African
American voters. So it's basically saying it's everybody else against Black folks,
and that's what's happening in Louisiana.
And like what you were saying earlier, I need Black voters in Louisiana to turn out to vote and to show out when they vote.
Because when we look at some of the previous elections from last year, looking at the governor's race,
we saw the dismal number of Black voters who were actually eligible to vote in November's election
not show up to vote, then this is also what happens, because this is the environment,
the political environment in Louisiana right now, and it's extremely anti-Black.
So even if Black voters don't like the two top people at the top of the ticket,
there are many other things to vote for
to stay a part of civic engagement, because ultimately that's going to be the only thing
that's going to remove Louisiana Ford. Robert, we have seen this battle in Louisiana. We've
seen it in Alabama, where there's a second black district that has been created. We saw the lawsuit
in Florida. We see the same things the same thing's happening in Georgia.
And so this is a concerted effort by Republicans to deny Black representation in the South.
It's very clear that, and we knew this was going to happen after Shelby v. Holder. We knew this
was going to happen after 50 years of attacks on the Voting Rights Act. And the truth is that this is why it's so important to have federal action on voting rights, not just to restore Section 4 and Section 2 and protect Section 5, but to expand those, because they're still based on measurements and qualifications set out in the 1960s.
It needs to be expanded to what is affecting voters and what is affecting these new techniques and strategies happening right now.
Otherwise, what we're going to see is a continuation of tyranny of the minority, where white voters, being a minority of voters in America, are able to exercise an excise amount of political power by using gerrymandering, by using carving up districts, by using every political machination possible in order to dilute the votes of African-Americans nationwide and therefore push forward agendas that do not
match the needs of the people in those states. Just think about it this way. If you look at,
just go from South Carolina on down to Mississippi, you have some of the highest
black populations in the country, 35 percent South Carolina, 33 percent Georgia, 36 percent
in Alabama, on down the line. But if you look at the
lives of many African Americans in those states, if you look at the statewide elected officials,
if you look at the people who actually run those states, very few of those states actually have
demographics that match the populations of those voters. And that's because Republicans have used
50 years of schemes to dilute the black vote and make it more difficult for representation to actually elect their leadership.
Suzette, we saw Governor Ron DeSantis in Florida destroy two districts, took it to the Supreme
Court.
The Republican Supreme Court ruled in his favor.
Again, when folk don't vote, this is one of the ways that Republicans are able to get
control of the state Supreme Court.
They were to get super majority of the legislature. And so this is why turnout is important to prevent that from happening.
Guess what? You may not be able to get Democratic control of a particular state, but you can keep them from having a super majority where they can do whatever they want without any interference from the opposing party.
Absolutely.
This is our strongest tool, which is to get to the polls and make sure that we are holding
the line.
When you look at what's happening in Louisiana, as you stated, and even in my home state of
Florida, they know that each and every congressional seat counts now with the split Congress that
we have on the federal level.
I agree with Robert
that we need to see congressional action. If we get control or if Democrats get control of the
Congress and we retain the presidency, there has to be some kind of reinforcement of the Voting
Rights Act or this will continue to happen. This is what happens when you can't win on issues and
your platforms does not speak to the majority of the people in your state. You have to, in some ways, figure out a way to cheat and make a map that allows you to
retain control.
So our biggest weapon is to make sure we're coming out and coming out in the numbers that
we have, particularly in the South, as Robert pointed out, in these states where, unfortunately,
we're seeing, again, these games being played.
But hopefully we'll have more fairness when it comes to the rulings of state courts and federal courts. But yeah, I think also looking at that story that Rebecca
mentioned, it shocked me that we have yet again another predominantly white enclave in southeastern
Baton Rouge that has now basically seceded from a predominantly black city so that they can retain
monies for their own school board, and about $45 million in
taxes will be removed now from Baton Rouge, which is again a predominantly black city.
This is a trend, especially in Louisiana.
Those voters there have to carry to show up and try to hold the line.
You know, Rebecca, you know, I sort of crack up, Rebecca, at some of these folks who make, say some of the dumbest stuff.
I'm going to read this text.
This was sent out yesterday.
And one, I'm not going to waste my time even naming the idiot because that's exactly what he is.
And this person is so desperate for attention.
He's really the attention whore.
So he always is trying to tweet about me
at least every couple of months
in order to gain some attention.
And he goes, Roland Martin's loyalty
to the Democratic Party is unproductive and unhealthy.
See, the reason I find that to be hilarious is,
one, I've never self-identified as a Democrat
or Republican, but also, I'm not dumb.
I can pay attention to what's happening in politics.
I can pay attention to what's happening before us.
This is very simple.
When it comes to two parties, there are Democrats and Republicans. If I had to ask all three of you, which
political party consistently
is trying to deny
black voters
from being able to go
to the ballot box and pick
representatives of their choosing,
which party will you say is the one
that's constantly trying to stop black
folks from being able to hold power?
You know, it's not even what I say, it's what they say.
Right, I'm about to say it.
So, Rebecca, which party?
It's the Republican Party.
Robert, Robert, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Wait, wait, wait.
Robert, which party?
Ditto.
Suzette, which party?
Republican Party. Now, if we're talking about which party is in opposition to consistently to civil rights,
Rebecca, which party?
It's the Republican Party.
Robert.
They put it in every filing.
I got it.
Hold up.
Robert.
Ditto.
Suzette.
Same. ditto so that same um which party uh is an art and opponent of teaching black history uh
despises and loves to promote crt and this party is actively trying to trash dei and any advancement
of programs that they believe benefit black people.
Rebecca, which party?
Republican Party.
Robert, which party?
Ditto.
Suzette, which party?
Same.
Okay.
So, if I had to look at those three issues.
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I'm Greg Lott.
And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast.
We are back.
In a big way.
In a very big way.
Real people, real perspectives.
This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man.
We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves.
Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne.
We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug thing is.
Benny the Butcher.
Brent Smith from Shinedown.
We got B-Real from Cypress Hill.
NHL enforcer Riley Cote.
Marine Corvette.
MMA fighter Liz Karamush.
What we're doing now isn't working,
and we need to change things.
Stories matter, and it brings a face to them.
It makes it real.
It really does.
It makes it real.
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Consistently, it's the Republican Party that is anti-black.
Yet fools like this idiot and a bunch of these other YouTube blabbers who love running their mouths, who always love
to say, oh, man, you just shilling for the Democrats.
What is so dumb is that if that's what their belief is, then they're simply MAGA people.
They're simply supporting Republicans.
And the bottom line is this here. It's the facts of the facts, Rebecca.
The Republican Party is consistently targeting black people, targeting them at the ballot box, economically, when it comes to housing.
We can go down the line. if I have to make a decision on who I'm going to vote for,
I'm probably not going to pick the anti-black party.
Just saying.
Black voters are extremely pragmatic.
The reason why we are extremely pragmatic,
we understand our history with this country.
And so now that we have quote unquote full rights with an asterisk, depending on the state, depending on felony status, depending on, you know, all sorts of other political issues, Black people are exercising party to have a moment with each party. If each party is telling
you, hey, I don't even want to entertain you, the other party is saying, hey, I will entertain you,
then pragmatically, which is A or is it going to be B? So many Blacks who vote in this country
are choosing path A, the Democratic Party.
Is it because we think the Democratic Party is so good or we think that the Democratic Party is pro-black?
No, but we understand that the Democratic Party is not anti-black.
Yeah, I mean, it's just a fact.
And Suzette, what really cracks me up when I listen to these people, when they're throwing
these issues out, what literally makes no sense is that when you start talking about
key policy positions, when you start talking about things that actually matter, you got a Republican Party that will say, oh, systemic racism doesn't
exist.
It doesn't exist.
They will literally defend the cops at every turn when black folks are being beaten and
shot.
They'll make excuses for all of that.
And so their positions are consistently anti-black.
It's just a fact.
Suzette?
Yeah, I wholeheartedly agree.
When you look at, even when it comes to federal contracting,
federal programs, funding of HBCUs,
all of these things that affect black lives every single day,
when I think about them trying to remove,
for example, in federal contracting, small business designations and small and minority
business and women-owned business designations from that process as they're trying to attack
DEI across the board, you just have to look again at the facts. There's nobody shilling for anyone.
No one is being paid. No one is trying to promote a party for the sake of.
We are looking at what policy issues are being supported on either side, and does it make sense
to stop riding this way, riding this train, and getting on the other train? At this point in time,
post-MAGA, post-Donald Trump, and all the things that he has tried to do, and his acolytes,
like our governor here in Florida, Ron DeSantis, has tried to do and his acolytes, like our governor
here in Florida, Ron DeSantis, has tried to do. When you look at policy for policy, destroying
all DEI in higher education here, even at landmark universities like the University of Florida,
FAMU, we're looking at where are we going to get funding for programs like the BSU,
the Black Student Union. So across the board, they believe in, I guess, what they say, individual rights when it applies
to them or when they feel like it's protecting one group.
But when it comes to your individual rights and mine, to be a fully enfranchised citizen,
to have programs that reflect the entire tapestry of this country and even the history in terms
of a corrective manner, they don't believe in it.
So we can't play like we got real choices here, two real choices. So people have to wisen up.
And I do think the black elector is looking very closely at what the policy positions are
and will make the right decision. I just think fundamentally, Robert,
what you have here is you have a bunch of folks who follow some of the dumbest people I've ever seen.
And a lot of them are a few black men who are grossly ill-informed.
And their whole attitude is Democrats haven't done jacked.
So therefore, they're trash.
They're terrible.
They're awful.
But then I go, OK, but so what are the things that you actually want?
And please show me which
Republican is going to support those and how you're going to get it passed. And that's what
you see. And so what I'm, what I try to explain to people is this ain't, this ain't, this ain't,
oh, I love this party. I don't love parties. I don't love people. I love policies. I love things that impact our people. Now, I could be like some
other black people and only care about my economic well-being. If that's the case, sure,
go ahead and go with Trump. Go ahead and get your tax cuts. Go ahead and get your corporate
tax stuff. I could go for that because as a business owner that's going to personally benefit me
Does that help my people? Nope. Does it help my nieces and nephews?
Nope, does it help my cousins and my family with people I grew up with?
Nope, and what I need our folks to understand is we have got to understand
What short-term and long-term?
We have to understand even in this case here,
the two judges that rule against Louisiana,
Trump appointees.
The one judge was a Democrat appointee.
Even when you look at decisions by judges,
typically federal judges that are going to rule
in favor of things that black people care about
are likely not going to be Republican judges.
These are just facts.
And folk who love to get caught up in these games, Robert, what they're doing is they
are leading black people astray and they're not explaining to black people what is going
to be the benefit of us staying at home and sitting on the couch.
I'm trying to win for our people, not try to win clicks like this idiot here.
Robert, final comment before I go to break.
Well, I think also people have to think about elections
as not simply being this question of the presidential level,
what goes on in Washington, D.C.
Believe it or not, very little of what goes on in your life
is dictated by Washington, D.C.
State and local elections matter just as much,
if not significantly more.
And if you're staying at home,
when it comes down to the election of who's going to be the prosecutor, who's going to be the DA,
who's going to be your judge, who's going to be your mayor, who's going to be your county commissioner, you can't complain about the potholes in front of your house either. You
can't talk about the lack of food in your neighborhood because it's a food desert,
because your councilman or your wartsman didn't zone for
that. You can't talk about the lack of economic development in your community because you weren't
at those MPO meetings or those meetings that happened downtown in the middle of the day on
a Tuesday or to decide the future. So beyond simply saying, well, I do or don't like Trump
or Biden, think about what's happening on the state and local level. Those little marijuana laws that get people locked up on a regular basis, those are decided
on the local level.
Whether or not you're going to have a justice system that believes in restorative justice
versus one that believes in locking everybody up, that happens on the local level.
So I beseech people, please, if you don't care about the local elections, if you think there's
no difference between the parties, there are differences at your local level. Get involved
in local politics. We are already in primary season in places like Maryland and Georgia.
Get out there, vote early, make sure you're motivating people to vote all the way down
the ballot. Indeed. All right, folks, hold tight one second. We come back. The protests on college campuses across the country are continuing. They're meeting. They're being met with a vicious reaction from law enforcement and administrators. We'll talk about that next with Rula Jabril on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Back in a moment.
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I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time,
have you ever had to shoot your gun?
Sometimes the answer is yes.
But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.
Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution.
But not everyone was convinced it was that simple.
Cops believed everything that taser told them.
From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley
comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company
dedicated itself to one visionary mission.
This is Absolute Season 1,
Taser Incorporated.
I get right back there and it's bad.
It's really, really, really bad.
Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1,
Taser Incorporated,
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I'm Clayton English.
I'm Greg Lott.
And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast.
Yes, sir.
We are back.
In a big way.
In a very big way.
Real people, real perspectives.
This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man.
We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves.
Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne.
We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug thing is.
Benny the Butcher.
Brent Smith from Shinedown.
We got B-Real from Cypress Hill.
NHL enforcer Riley Cote.
Marine Corvette.
MMA fighter Liz Caramouch.
What we're doing now isn't working, and we need to change things.
Stories matter, and it brings a face to them.
It makes it real.
It really does.
It makes it real.
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Sometimes as dads, I think we're too hard on ourselves.
We get down on ourselves on not being able to,
you know, we're the providers,
but we also have to learn to take care of ourselves.
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as well as for everybody else,
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Palestinian college students continue to break out at colleges and universities across the
nation.
UCLA canceled classes today after overnight demonstrations turned violent when pro-Israeli
students also attacked pro-Palestinian students.
In New York, protesters broke into Columbia University's Hamilton Hall and barricaded
themselves.
NYPD then stormed the campus, arrested 119 people.
And due to the unrest on the campus, students took their final exams remotely.
Pro-Palestinian protests are demanding that their schools divest funds from Israeli military
operations.
Jewish students call the protest anti-Semitic and say that they fear for their safety.
Rulaj Abril is an award-winning journalist, visiting professor, joins us from New York.
Glad to have you here.
First and foremost, I talked about this the other night, and I've been watching all of this coverage,
and I've been watching the framing of this.
And we're at a point now where people are literally saying that if you are protesting against Israel, you're anti-Semitic.
If you're protesting for your school to divest, you're anti-Semitic.
A person could actually be against war and not be anti-Semitic.
What do you make on how that is the framing where everything, any criticism of Israel
and its actions in this battle against Hamas can be deemed anti-Semitic.
Roland, thank you for having me on this very troubling day for America's democracy.
Let's start by saying that the attempt to criminalize anti-war protesters, who, by the way, many of whom are Jewish.
The leading organization behind these protests, it's called Jewish Voices for Peace.
You have Jewish professors, Jewish scholars, Jewish academics who are backing this.
I myself interviewed Jason Stanley, who is Jewish himself, who teaches at Yale.
And he himself agrees with you and me, who we need to not conflate anti-Israel government
criticism of Israeli government actions and criminality with anti-Semitism.
These are two separate things.
But there is a clear attempt by many in Congress, many, sadly, in the media, to conflate anti-war
activism with anti-Semitism.
This is so dangerous, because it plays into the hand of real anti-Semites.
The people who marched on Charlottesville said, Jews will not replace us, blood and
soil.
Those people are anti-Semitic.
The people who are marching, saying, divest from the war, don't arm Israel, stop the
war in Gaza, stop slaughtering civilians, children and women, and stop mass starvation,
those people are activists who want the war to stop.
They're not against Jewish people, actually many of whom are Jewish.
They're against the war, but also they're against their own government
bankrolling that atrocity in Gaza.
When I saw the action last night, and I look at the coverage, and a number of reporters who said
they had never seen that type of aggressive stance taken by law enforcement.
We saw what Texas thuggish Governor Greg Abbott did when he ignored the Austin Police Department,
instead calling in Texas state troopers to deal with unrest there.
I saw there was a video. We saw what happened to a professor at Vanderbilt. I saw, it was another video I saw a professor who was literally being punched and beaten
by police and security.
And he suffered broken ribs
and doctors said he's lucky to be alive.
And if you see the video,
he actually didn't provoke a cop or hit anybody.
And so when you see law enforcement,
they basically have the permission
of political leaders to beat folks as they see fit.
Yes. And, you know, I heard Prime Minister Netanyahu two days ago. This is the guy that
actually normalized fascists around the world, from Viktor Orban to Donald Trump to
many others, is saying that these students are basically reminiscent from the 30s, the
Nazis.
He's calling them Nazis.
Israeli and American politicians are calling them terrorists.
We have our colleagues calling these peaceful protesters, who are 20 years old, who are our kids' age, are
entitled to protest a war and their government complicity with the war.
They're calling them pro-Hamas, pro-Hizballah, pro-terrorists.
They're calling them terrorists.
I am terrified, because I know where this is going to lead.
Somebody will get killed.
Somebody will be hurt.
And they'll have the whole country on fire.
I mean, we already see a looming threat of a second Trump, you know, election.
And then the Democratic Party, that's supposed to defend democracy, free speech and free
assembly, is the one consistently enabling not only the police, unleashing police violence,
enabling Netanyahu and his government, who, by the way, simultaneously, you have two ministers,
Ben-Gurion and Smutrich, who are calling to annihilate, to destroy completely Gaza,
and Ben-Gurion calling to shoot Palestinian civilians because prisons are overwhelmed with numbers.
They arrested 9,000 Palestinians, some of them without any charge, by the way—3,000
that are sitting there on what they call administrative detention.
And he said, well, we're overwhelmed.
The police system, the prison system is overwhelmed.
Maybe we should kill some of them.
He called the IDF, the military,
and demanded, said, while you are arresting too many people, you should kill some of them.
There are so many. So you have really a fascist regime in the occupied territories,
not only in Gaza, also in the West Bank, against Palestinians. And then you're seeing here our democratic governors, president, and law enforcement criminalizing and inciting against these young students simply because they are questioning policies that we know will not guarantee the security of either the United States or Israelis.
I—
Dismantling—
Go ahead. Go ahead. And by doing so, we need to understand this urgently.
Either we divest immediately from imperialism, ethno-nationalism and militarism, or we get
fascism here in America.
You can't have it both ways.
You cannot have a democracy while enabling illegality with a military occupation and
basically colonial state, an eth-colonial state, and think this will not come back to
haunt you.
What's happening in Gaza will not stay in Gaza.
The streets of America are on fire for a reason, because people feel betrayed by this administration
that failed them on the one
thing they voted this administration for, to defend America's democracy here at home and overseas.
I saw this tweet here by Ari Fleischer, former White House press secretary.
Go to my iPad, Henry. He says, the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville was reprehensible,
but it ended in two days. What's happening now on college campuses is worse.
It's been happening for weeks with no end in sight.
It's based on hatred toward Jews in America.
Where is Biden?
Biden, the hypocrite, is silent.
First off, let's be clear.
A woman was killed in Charlottesville.
A woman was killed.
A peaceful protester.
Yeah, a peaceful protester had Heather higher. Nobody. Nobody's been nobody's been killed in this college protest.
But the other thing is this here, this this this this tagging of Biden. Where is Biden? He's being a hypocrite.
First of all, these are this protest on college campuses are first responsibility of university administrators, two mayors of cities,
three governors. So to try to act like, oh, Biden, it's your fault. No, we understand the hierarchy.
And what you have, again, you have this constant battle that we're seeing.
And I was on the plane yesterday flying back, and I was talking to a gentleman,
and he was complaining about the protest.
And I said, first thing I said was, hold up, why are they protesting?
I said, not this overarch.
I said, no, no, no, no.
I said, you have to.
I said, how I operate is I ask, why is somebody protesting?
And I said, if you look at these protests, many of them, they've given the reasons why they're protesting.
But folk don't want to focus on the why.
They want to establish, I believe, unfortunately, and I keep seeing a lot of this, these other narratives where it's, no, I think this is what they're protesting. No, you have to ask the
very people why they are protesting. And Roland, by the way, this is not you. You and I protested
the Iraq war and probably you protested for civil rights in the United States. I protested for civil
right everywhere in Europe. We were called agitators. We were called pro-terrorists.
When we protested against the Iraq War on the basis that it was wrong, it will unleash
instability and radicalization, we were called pro-Saddam Hussein, pro-Al Qaeda, etc.
So again and again, they use this language of division and hatred.
And I see even ADL—I mean, I see ADL calling these students, basically inciting us and calling them pro-Hamas and pro-Hizballah.
You will get these students killed by doing that.
And our fascist flasher said nothing when Trump defended the neo-Nazis in Charlottesville and called them very fine people after they killed Heather Heyer.
I mean, we need to remember who he worked for and who he lobbied for.
And once again, I think we should stop using and weaponizing anti-Semitism to protect Netanyahu's
government, who have no problem endorsing, normalizing the likes of Viktor Orban, who
have no problem that Donald Trump dine and wine with real
neo-Nazis and anti-Semitic people.
I mean, it's time to call the hypocrisy, but also it's time to stand up for these
students' rights, because if we manage to crush these students and alienate them, we
lost the future.
We lost the next generation.
If we cannot give these students at least the respect to listen to what their demands are,
and not only listen to them, to take into consideration the people who are risking their lives
so that America is not seen by the rest of the world as enabling atrocities in Gaza,
then we are—not only—America's reputation is being damaged, is being eroded.
Democracy itself is on the line. If you believe in these things, you need to start now cutting any tie with this
government in Israel, not defend them at the United Nations, but also stop threatening the
International Court of Justice, who is trying to do their job in holding Israel accountable. You cannot have democracy without accountability.
You cannot have democracy without free speech.
You cannot have democracy by enabling an ethno-colonial racist state.
You cannot have it both ways.
You cannot say, well, our foreign policy can be racist and can be militarist and can be
rogue and lawless.
But here in America, we are different.
You cannot demand that these students respect the rule of law here while you're yourself
violating every law of war in Gaza and beyond.
I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your
gun?
Sometimes the answer is yes.
But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.
Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution.
But not everyone was convinced it was that simple.
Cops believed everything that taser told them.
From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibillion-dollar company
dedicated itself to one visionary mission.
This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated.
I get right back there and it's bad.
It's really, really, really bad.
Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season One, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Binge episodes one, two, and three on May 21st and episodes four, five, and six on June 4th.
Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts.
I'm Clayton English.
I'm Greg Lott.
And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back.
In a big way.
In a very big way.
Real people, real perspectives.
This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man.
We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves.
Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne.
We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug ban is.
Benny the Butcher.
Brent Smith from Shinedown.
We got B-Real from Cypress Hill.
NHL enforcer Riley Cote.
Marine Cor vet.
MMA fighter Liz Karamush.
What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things.
Stories matter and it brings a face to them.
It makes it real.
It really does.
It makes it real.
Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two
on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content,
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Sometimes as dads, I think we're too hard on ourselves.
We get down on ourselves on not being able to, you know, we're the providers,
but we also have to learn to take care of ourselves. We get down on ourselves on not being able to, you know, we're the providers, but we also have to learn to take care of ourselves. A wrap-away, you got to pray for yourself
as well as for everybody else, but never forget yourself. Self-love made me a better dad
because I realized my worth. Never stop being a dad. That's dedication. Find out more at
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Questions from panel. Robert, you first.
On this point, what we're seeing is that students around the country,
these probably are the biggest student protests we've seen since Kent State during the 1960s.
But what do you think will be the very clear policy proposals to come out of this
that the Biden administration can respond to? One, we have the issue of the continuation of
military sales to Israel. We have the lack of humanitarian aid. We have the failures
to call for a ceasefire in the U.N. But what we've seen thus far is that the calls that
President Biden has made to Netanyahu have gone unheeded. What exactly should we—we're going to crystallize what the students are asking for into some
concise points.
What do you think they should be?
And will Netanyahu even listen to those?
YVONNE CHOI, Whether Netanyahu listen or not, it's not about Netanyahu anymore.
It's about the United States itself.
We have democracy on the line.
We have the looming threat of a second Trump presidency. What are you
offering American voters for the next elections? What is the vision that you have? Can Biden,
with straight faith, stand there and say, I'm defending democracy here at home and overseas,
while actually knowing very well that his State Department said Israel violated the Leahy law, an American law.
And despite knowing that, he authorized, bypassed Congress and authorized the selling of weapons
to the Israelis that are being used to butcher women and children. 14,000 children died,
were killed, slaughtered in four months. If we don't stop this mass slaughter and mass starvation—and the only way to stop
it is stop arming Netanyahu's government, start maybe—stop basically bullying and
intimidating the International Court of Justice, International Criminal Court, who are investigating
war crimes, by the way, from Hamas and the Israelis.
And they want a process of accountability.
And thirdly, stop enabling and defending the military dictatorship Israel imposed and been
imposing for almost 60 years on Palestinians.
They couldn't impose that dictatorship without America's support,
financial support, diplomatic support, and shielding them in the courts, but also shielding
the United Nations. Every U.N. resolution was vetoed by the United States. It's time to stop
beating resolution when you know that this is actually not only wrong, this is actually
producing extremism, radicalization, instability, and eroding your own democracy.
Rebecca?
Thank you so much for being here tonight.
So in the early 1960s, we saw a lot of students on campus and off campus protesting segregation.
In the late 1960s, we saw college students
protesting against the Vietnam War. In the 1980s, we saw students protesting against apartheid in
South Africa. 2003, we saw students protesting against the Iraqi War. 2011, we saw students
protesting against with the Occupy Wall Street movement. So now, in the current protests that are happening across the country, we're also seeing states
starting to impose the criminalization of the right to protest.
What trajectory do you see for America if America continues down this path in creating
a, in making it, if America continues to criminalize young people and all people, quite frankly,
from their right to protest?
Authoritarianism, fascism.
And it all starts by trying not only to criminalize, to unleash violence, state violence.
We've seen a glimpse of it yesterday in UCLA.
And by the way, it was only peaceful protesters
on the pro-Palestinian side or anti-war side.
And the pro-Israelis were not only violent,
they were chanting genocidal chants against Palestinians,
calling for Nakba.
These are the same things that I grew up under in the occupied territories.
As a teen, I would go to the occupied territories, Ramallah and in the West Bank, to teach kids
whose schools was destroyed by the army.
And we would put blankets on the dirt just to teach kids how to read and write, and very
often would be assaulted by terrorists,
by Jewish-Israeli terrorists, many of whom came from the United States.
And they will basically beat the children, terrorize people, and kill them, with the
protection of the police and with the protection of the army.
These scenes you can see everywhere in the occupied territories.
They are trying to
import that kind of models to the United States. It's not a coincidence that the mayor of New York,
Adam, said that he will be bringing from Israel the experience he learned as a police person.
Look at how the police treat Palestinians. Black people like all of us, if you, any of us,
would walk in the streets in the West Bank, they will think
you are Palestinians like me, and probably you would be targeted exactly like any Palestinians.
When Tana Hasekot went to the occupied territories, they kept asking him,
what religion are you? What faith do you belong to? And he kept telling them, you know,
they wanted to know if he was a Muslim.
When he told them that he was atheist, basically, didn't—you know, he wasn't religious,
they were confused.
But they insisted, because it's an ethno-national state.
It's a state that if you are Jewish and Jewish only, then you have protection of the law.
If you are a Palestinian, Muslim or Christian, and you happen to be actually also black,
then you are subject to the law, that you are under the boot of the military dictatorship.
And one of the things that is most shocking, when Ethiopian Jews arrived in Israel, many of whom
were giving—basically were sterilized without knowing they were sterilized, because—and
the state admitted later that they were sterilizing them.
They were giving them injection of Reprovera, so they could not make children, because ultimately,
not only the issue of religion, there's an issue also of race and skin tone.
And we need to tell these truths.
They're hard truths to hear for many American Jews who have
a myth about Israel, but the reality on the ground is something else.
It's an ethno-nationalist, and you see a glimpse of it already being imported to the
United States.
Suzette?
Yes, Brother Roland.
I, too, stayed up last night watching the news coverage of what was going on in Colombia
and sadly witnessing Mayor Adams send in troops onto a college campus. I want to ask our guest,
as we have been kind of hearing this co-opted narrative about outside agitators,
how do you think that is actually diluting the message when it comes to what the students
actually want? Because as you stated, the vast
majority of students have been peacefully. And even on the pro-Israel side, you were actually
seeing some agitators there. I want to actually go into what the administration of these colleges
and universities should be doing to address what is actually happening. As Robert stated,
you know, they might be looking
for—the student protesters might be looking for the Biden administration to act. But I don't know
that I've seen any headlines as to the administration at these respective universities
actually coming up with a plan to sit down and address the students' desires. What do you think
the administration's role should be? And do you think we'll see more of the model we saw last night of city police and state
police coming in to address student protesters?
And what does that do to their free speech rights?
But what do you think the actual administration of these colleges should be doing when it
comes to what the students' demands are?
I'll—Ruel, before you answer that, I'll say this here.
I'm familiar with the negotiations that were happening with Columbia.
And, Rula, one of the problems that actually was there is that they were so decentralized
that you didn't have any hierarchy.
And so you had different people who were negotiating with different student groups.
And so part of the problem is that there were concessions that were offered.
Jelani Cobb, the dean of the Columbia School of Journalism, was one of the two folks who
was negotiating.
Reverend Mark Thompson was involved as well.
And so part of the issue is that, OK, in some of these campuses, the key is, who are you talking to? Who can you
actually negotiate with? And so that was one of the issues, I think, with the Columbia students,
is that there were so many different factions, you didn't actually have, you know, a clear
leadership, if you will, in order to deal with as a part of the negotiation.
Go ahead, your thoughts.
Yeah.
Thank you for your questions.
They are brilliant.
One thing I want to report, and I think it's very important to know, Brown University decided
yesterday after a negotiation with the students that they would vote if they would divest
from investing with any
companies in October.
They will vote.
People will have right to vote, yes or no.
And guess what?
Protest was over.
There is no encampment.
It's over.
The inability of President Shafiq of Columbia University not only to listen, but to engage.
And I believe the first action that she took,
she is very loyal to her donors.
She is terrified, and she wants to keep her job.
This is the woman that, during the Arab Spring, by the way,
said, we don't need more freedoms for Arabs.
We need more economic opportunities,
meaning we want charity, not liberty,
which is, I find it ironic that
this is the woman leading this organization.
She was at the London School of Economics.
She has track records of basically whitewashing authoritarianism and saying, yeah, give them
some food, give them some water.
I mean, it's no different than DeSantis, who said slavery was—created some opportunities. I mean, like, I cannot hear these things without thinking of the racism and also the delusion
behind the mindset of these people.
So I think there's groups of people that she decided immediately to expel, to save
her job.
And basically, probably she was pressured, by trustees and donors and others who rather
hold these kids accountable than listen to them or divest.
They don't want to divest from the art companies.
They don't want to be viewed as conceding to these young students.
So I think we have a long way.
And again, we need to remember what happens when you start inciting against young people.
When Donald Trump starts inciting against media organizations, I want to remind everybody
that somebody took a gun and went to the Maryland Gazette and killed five people.
I fear for the lives of these young students.
Sooner or later, these lynching mob, these thugs,
poor Israeli thugs, will get someone killed, because they believe that these people are terrorists. They believe they are the enemy. They believe what Ari is writing, that they hate
America and they hate Jews, which is a lie. And we need to push back against these lies.
Look at every student was arrested. 1,300 students were arrested. A lot of them are Jewish.
But nobody is talking about the fact that the Jewish community in America is divided
between who believe that Bibi Netanyahu has a right to exterminate Palestinians and those
who believe that it's dangerous, that it's reckless, that he would use mass slaughter
and mass starvation.
We believe that what he's doing is against Jewish values.
But we need to stop talking about the issue out of fear, because we need to engage in
a serious way about anti-Semitism, but also anti-Black people racism and anti-Muslim and
Arabs and Islamophobia.
I mean, I want protection for all students, whether they protest in Charlottesville or
they protest in UCLA or protest in Texas.
They might say things that I am uncomfortable with, but they have the right to say it.
What I am not comfortable with?
Police storming campus, beating professors and students and brutalizing them.
You know, by the way, these images have been circulating in Iran, in China, in Russia,
and say, we don't want America ever to lecture us about free speech or about Hong Kong protesters
or how to manage our own affairs because they lost their credibility.
What they're doing, it's not only playing on national media,
and we have this conversation.
Regimes around the world are looking at the United States,
and they cannot believe that to protect Netanyahu's government,
the most discredited prime minister, they're willing to erode America.
I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time,
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Sometimes the answer is yes.
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I just said I was manifesting about life.
I said, I would love to come back because it was a great time.
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Even on TV.
People are scared of going into the high schools.
You know, the high school, you know what I mean?
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You know, what do you think?
I think we'll ask the people.
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All right, folks.
Non-disclosure agreements were outlawed or banned last week by the Federal...
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, non-compete agreements by the Federal Trade Commission.
And this is a huge deal.
A lot of people don't realize in a number of industries, especially in media, this is one.
And so now the question is, what are companies going to do?
Now, we also expect there to be lawsuits. But this is a major, major deal that companies are going to have to now think differently, but also employees.
HR business partner also.
She is, of course, a big-time expert.
Laryn Wagner joins us.
She's been on the show before.
Glad to have her here.
You know, this is, I mean, people don't realize the number of folks impacted.
Some 30 million Americans are impacted by these no-compete deals.
You got some folks, I know, for instance, in television,
some people can't work for six months to a year with a competitor across town. And so this is gonna really change employment contracts
for a lot of people in a lot of companies.
Good to be here with you again today, Roland.
But yes, absolutely.
It not only impacts the ability for someone
to find another job, but it also impacts their earnings,
their potential earnings.
And so it's definitely
a big thing to have something like this happen in our world today.
So moving forward, how do you see companies dealing with this? Because obviously you have
trade secrets, but some of these things were crazy. I mean, we told a story about a guy
who was a security guard making $11 an hour who had to sign a non-compete and he couldn't apply for another job that was paying him $15 an hour.
That, you know, that to me is crazy.
But when you start talking about senior executives, this is going to change how companies have to hire folks. Yeah, absolutely. Because now companies are going to be forced
to find a different way to not only protect
their competition,
but they also are going to have to find another way
to protect their intellectual property.
Like you said, their trade secrets as well.
And the big question is,
is how are they going to do that now?
Now that non-competes are no longer,
well, have been banned by the FTC.
So what would you say, again, to employees moving forward, how they have to navigate this?
Because look, companies are going to come up with something, something to contend with
this if they no longer can do non-competes.
Yeah.
So what I would recommend to anyone is that no matter what happens, if your company tries to find another way to enforce something similar,
now that this is actually happening, I would always recommend, hey, be on top of it.
Challenge what doesn't seem right to you.
Know your rights.
Consult with an attorney.
Be ready to do all of those things,
because it's coming. I don't think many companies have had time to figure it out yet,
but I think where companies will have to adjust is in their hiring practices. Because like you said,
you have the media industry, you have non-competes that are in the marketing industry,
sales industry, big time that prevent people from, it really restricts where
people can get a job. And so companies are going to have to change a little bit about their hiring
practices to try to mitigate this risk that they're ultimately going to be in. What that
looks like, I don't know, but I'm curious to see how that will go. Questions from my panel. Suzette, you're first.
Yes, this is so interesting to me because in the legal field, we have these.
My cousins who are other professionals, dentists, audiologists, they have non-compete clauses.
So as we look at the changes that are about to take place, I know it excludes very top CEOs of very large companies.
But how can companies, I think, go about protecting
themselves? I think the FTC has laid out a framework that encourages this because of
new startups that will happen, the savings on healthcare and other things now that people can
go get jobs and just work wherever they want to. As a small business owner myself,
do you think this will have a cooling effect
on maybe training and mentorship
and things that will normally occur very early on
when it comes to new hires?
Or how do you think the employers
will try to mitigate some of these risks?
Yeah, absolutely.
I think what's probably going to happen, and again,
this is just going off of what I know so far, employers are probably going to look for a
different type of avenue to take in order to protect their trade secrets. And also,
they're probably going to come up with different ways to share information. I feel like when
you're onboarding into a new role, especially when you're in sales or in marketing, they want to get you up and running as soon as possible. This ban on non-competes
may change a lot of that. It may even change how the players go about, it may change how the level
of information employers go about sharing. It might make jobs more challenging because now
an employee may be forced to learn more about their role on their own so that they have some skin in the game
and not so much of it coming from employers as far as leads. We look at systems that realtors,
not only realtors, but those in the sales industry and marketing industry use such as
systems that generate leads. How readily available will that be now that this has happened?
So I think there are several tools in place that companies will likely try to utilize
to get around an actual non-compete agreement.
Robert?
You know, this is one of those things that always sounds great
as soon as we hear it come down the pipelines.
But then we start thinking about some of the negative externalities that may come from this, as you said,
kind of a chilling effect on the jobs market as people aren't going to want to disclose to you their trade secrets
or their techniques they use, knowing that you can leave tomorrow and take a later competitor across the street.
What do you think is going to be kind of the long-term legislative backlash, as it would
be against us, or ways that they may start curtailing this in?
Because I think all of us can think off the top of our head, like, a million ways that
this could turn into an exploit that will result in people simply not wanting to hire
new folks and keeping things very close to the vest in-house, only hiring friends and
neighbors and kids and kind of increasing that nepotism system, because why am I going to teach you how to go get rich and you take it to the guy across
the street?
There's nothing I can do to stop you.
Absolutely.
I think that's a great question you asked.
So I think, again, it's going to, there's going to be a shift in how information is
rolled out and shared with employees.
Another thing I feel companies are going to do is, I mean, we have states where non-competes
already aren't a thing, such as, well, of course, the state of California, I believe
North Dakota, Oklahoma.
Companies will start to probably dig deeper into what organizations in those pockets of
the region are doing so that they can understand, hey, you know, how have you guys been making
it without non-competes and things like
that? So I think that's something that's going to happen. I can't really tell how long from the
research that I've done, how long this will actually be a thing or if this is something
that will be temporary. But it's definitely something that's going to shift our industry
or the employment industry. Rebecca?
You know, I think this non-compete agreement ban is a good thing,
because I think this actually supports workers, and it also understands how modern our job
marketplace has become, especially with the increase of remote workers, especially with
some of these non-competes that restrict people based upon geography. So if you are a remote
worker, as long as you're in one
of the lower 48, then if you have a non-compete, that also has some geographic implications,
then it kind of becomes a little bit crazy for the workers. So I guess my question is,
in what ways do you think employers will have to step up to be more competitive in their offerings
for employees to actually want to stay at that particular company?
Yeah, no, that's a good question. So I want to go back to something that you mentioned. You mentioned the remote work. And so that is a major risk, too, when it comes to talking about
non-competes. And so employers are going to have to step their game up. This may have an impact.
I believe it will have an impact if I was to predict the impact that this has on remote work, because now that you have non-competes that have been banned, you now have workers who will be able would say double dipping, they're working two full-time jobs at
home. And I have seen that and I've heard about that many times. So you now have, that creates a
risk for remote workers who are doing two of the same jobs at home because there is no non-compete.
So that's a risk there. And then, so companies will have to probably tighten up their hiring, tighten up their reporting.
They may have to come. I think companies will come up with a different type of agreement that may not be able to carry out what they would carry out
if they were to have a non-competing place. So I think employers are going to find other ways.
Hey, you have to now disclose if you have more than one job. That's a way that it can look like
that. Or tighter, I think there will be a tighter view on,
it could even be the technology used.
Like, what are you using my work computer for
when you're working at home?
Are you only working for my company
or using my computer, our systems
to work for other companies?
I mean, there are so many different things out there
and there's still a lot more information to come
given that this has just happened,
what I believe April 23rd.
So I look forward to understanding more about that as well as happened, what, I believe, April 23rd. So I look forward
to understanding more about that as well as your question as well. All right, then. Well,
we certainly appreciate it. It's a new landscape when it comes to the marketplace. So a lot of
stuff to navigate. And I'm sure this is going to keep you HR folks real busy.
Very busy. Absolutely. All right. Appreciate it HR folks real busy. Very busy. Absolutely.
Appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
All right. Bye.
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Kristen Clark, who hit the Civil Rights Division in the Department of Justice,
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Christian Clark, who heads the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice,
revealed a deeply personal statement today
that she was the victim of years-long domestic abuse.
Her statement came after a conservative website uncovered an incident
in 2006 involving her and her then-husband that led to her being arrested. This is what she
released. Nearly two decades ago, I was subjected to years-long abuse and domestic violence at the
hands of my ex-husband. This was a terrorizing and traumatizing period that I have sought to put behind me
to promote my personal health, healing, and well-being.
The physical and emotional scars, the emotional abuse and exploitation,
and the lying are things that no woman or mother should ever have to endure. I have spent my career standing up to
protect and safeguard the rights of crime victims, including victims of domestic violence and gender
based violence. I bring to the work the personal experience and perspective of being a survivor of
domestic violence, as I've done in every stage of my career.
As a lifelong public servant,
I will continue working to ensure that we carry out our work
in a way that centers the experiences
and needs of crime victims.
When given the option to speak
about such traumatic incidents in my life,
I have chosen not to.
I didn't believe during my confirmation process, and I don't believe now that I was obligated to share a fully expunged matter from my past.
Clark says she chose not to disclose her expungement arrest record from that period in her life during her Senate confirmation process.
Now, she was asked that question by Senator Tom Cotton.
Since then, Senator Mike Lee of Utah has said that she was not forthcoming in her confirmation hearing.
So therefore, she should resign. I disagree.
The reality is Christian Clark has done an amazing job
leading the Civil Rights Division.
And the bottom line is, as she said, her record was expunged.
Now, the issue here is what happens going forward.
Suzette, what she lays out is that because the record was
expunged, essentially, when she was asked the question in 2021, there was no need for her to say
that because expungement means it didn't exist. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the
time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes, but there's a
company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.
Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution.
But not everyone was convinced it was that simple.
Cops believed everything that taser told them.
From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibillion-dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission.
This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated.
I get right back there and it's bad.
It's really, really, really bad.
Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated,
on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th.
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I'm Clayton English.
I'm Greg Lott.
And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast.
Yes, sir. We are back.
In a big way.
In a very big way.
Real people, real perspectives.
This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man.
We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves.
Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding
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I've seen something like this very similar here in Florida. In Broward County, the first
African-American sheriff, Sheriff Gregory Toney, is also being attacked by conservatives for a
very similar reason. He had an issue that was expunged while he was a student at FSU,
and they're claiming that when he filled out paperwork to run and in other documentation since, that the question that was posed asked, have you ever been
arrested? He placed a no. And in his scenario, he ended up shooting someone during that altercation
and was therefore arrested. He says that he has responded truthfully. And there have been several
attempts made here in Florida to try to remove him from office based on him saying no or checking the no box.
In this case, looking at the facts, again, Kristen Clark has had an extraordinary career.
She led the Civil Rights Division for the state of New York in the attorney general's office.
She was tapped by President Biden in 2021 to lead the federal division there in the
attorney general office of the United States. President Biden in 2021 to lead the federal division there in the Attorney General Office
of the United States.
And she has been doing, as you stated, an extraordinary job at her position, hence why
many critics of what has now—she has now had to address feel as if this is a political
ploy to try to discredit her and to ultimately get her to resign.
Looking at what her statement says, that she believed because
it was expunged, she did not have to disclose. Again, I'm not sure, quite frankly, because I
haven't seen any resolution here in the state of Florida for Sheriff Tony. This keeps coming back
and coming back. And as she stated, she fully believed that this was within her right to state
that no, she was not arrested. The question was very specific. Have you ever been arrested since being a legal adult? And the answer for her, again,
as often occurs in domestic violence cases, oftentimes both parties, no matter who's at
fault or who was the aggressor, are arrested. So I think I would like to say the jury is still out.
I don't know what the Senate rules or the congressional rules are around this as far
as what recourse they would have, and maybe there will be some sort of administrative
hearing that will ultimately decide.
But I do think this was kind of like a fishing expedition, as I do think in the case here
in Florida with Sheriff Gregory Toney.
They are looking for and they are trying to find ways to discredit very competent leadership that happens to also be African-American.
So I am not 100 percent sure that she will be in her right.
Well, first of all, there's no administrative hearing.
So there's just no such thing that has to take place.
Bottom line is, you know, she you know, it is really up to you.
They can put the pressure on. They can make a big deal out of this if they want to, Robert.
But the reality is, I think they will look like idiots trying to go after Kristen Clark for for this because of something that was deeply personal.
And and as she says, she says it was expunged. So therefore, she didn't have to reveal your thoughts.
She's absolutely correct. And this goes to the plight of African-Americans who have served sentences, for example,
who have had their records expunged, who still apply for jobs. And even though we have now banned
having to check the box, they're still denied employment. Often they're denied benefits around
the country. You're never truly free as African-Americans in this country, which is why
we need to put the types of reforms in place that protect not just Kristen Clark, but everyday people
who go through these situations.
And I find it amazing, these same individuals who want to go after Kristen Clark for something
which is so deeply rooted in her past and so painful, but will still support somebody
who's currently on trial, who's been convicted, let's say, of grabbing people by the you-know-what in a dressing room, who owes various states millions of
not a half-billion dollars.
Those criminal matters do not have any impact.
But something that happened to a woman that's very relatable to millions of women around
this country, you still try to put this around her neck to let her know she's still less than and not accepted by the good old boys club. And they will come after anything
if they think there's something they can use to disqualify or discredit an African-American who's
trying to ascend to a higher position. In my race for judge, for example, they tried to get me
disqualified. I'm not making this up because of my email address. That's how you know when you're
doing a good job, when they have to come out.
They can't beat you on the balls and strikes.
So they have to start going after referees.
Well, I really don't give a damn what Senator Mike Lee has to say, Rebecca.
This is the same person who voted against the Violence Against Women Act.
So he has no credibility as far as I'm concerned on any of this.
You know, this is real nasty work.
This has nothing to do with the performance that Kristen Clark is doing.
She is performing phenomenally in her role at the Ad Justice.
I will say this about both Mike Lee and Tom Cotton.
They have things in their past that they don't want to see the light of day.
So they all tread carefully here.
All right, then, folks, got to go to break. We come back.
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That is next. Plus Isaac Hayes.
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Well, the axe has fallen at Byron Allen's The Griot. Several people have been laid off in their podcast and video teams, including their managing editor, Christy Oglesby.
This is the statement the company released.
Allen Media is making a strategic change to better position the company for growth that will result in expense and workforce reductions across all divisions.
Now, Allen Media acquired the Griot in 2016.
Among those cuts, they've ended all their different shows except one involving Ture.
So, Lamont Hill, who had a daily show airing around 6 p.m. on the Griot.
That show has been canceled.
Actually, they hadn't even had the show.
It hasn't aired for the last three weeks.
Ebony Williams had a show that followed Mark.
Her show has also been canceled as well.
Now, remember, Byron Allen purchased the assets of Black News Channel for $11 million,
buying up the distribution.
He then used that to launch the Griot TV.
And so those shows are being canceled.
And if you look at the Black-owned media landscape, other than what we do here at Roland Martin
on the Filter and the Black Star Network, that was the only daily shows on any Black-owned
media outlet.
And so if you look at right now, if you look at linear cable networks, you look at TV One, you look at Revolt, you look at Afro Channel, you look at which of those are all black-owned, Cleo TV, TV One owns them as well.
There are no daily news shows on those platforms.
Even if you look at Revolt as a weekly show, you look at BET, they've got a monthly magazine
show.
That's all they have there.
And so it's really just us.
Ebony has nothing.
Essence has nothing.
Blavity has nothing.
Black Enterprise has nothing.
And you can look across the board.
And the bottom line is this here, folks. You know, having a daily show absolutely matters.
That speaks to our issues.
I had a weekly show at TV One.
I can tell you it was very difficult having a weekly show and trying to cram in all the stuff that happened on a weekly basis into that one show.
When we launched, we had this show for four years on TV One from 2009 to 2013, and then from 2013 to 2017,
we launched News One Now, which was a daily show.
And so these things absolutely matter.
I reached out to Byron Allen, sent him a text yesterday, also Geraldine Moriba, who was
one of the executives at the Griot, did not hear from either one of them,
wanted to get a statement from them with regards to the show's ending.
But it's unfortunate that that is the case.
But I can tell you right now, we're continuing what we're doing right here.
For Raji Mohammed, who ended his daily show with us,
he took a job as a producer for Tavis Smiley's show on his network.
We ended Dee Barnes' show on the Black Star Network, but we continue with our other shows.
They continue.
And look, we're going to stay focused.
For everybody to understand, this show is profitable.
This is what we do.
We understand how to do this show is profitable. This is what we do. You know, we understand
how to do this show. Our goal is to generate more and more advertising revenue from advertisers.
We're trying to make that happen. But we plan on not going anywhere speaking to the issues that
matter. And the thing that people have to understand, Robert, that, look, there are all kinds of changes that are
happening in the media landscape, but what cannot happen, and we have got to be absolutely focused
to make sure that we have black-owned media, not just when it comes to telling our story,
but black-owned media also creates opportunities for AfricanAmericans to be able to tell their story, for folks
who to be panelists.
I can't tell you how many people reach out to us and we can't do all the stories that
mainstream media would never give them the time of day.
And so if we lose, if you know, we got there's a lot of stuff, a lot of entertainment shows
and gossip shows and sports shows out there. But our audience deserve to have real news shows that we're not having to be caught up in a lot of the entertainment and sports drama.
You're absolutely correct, Rowan. I'm going to challenge the viewers. I'm going to challenge the listeners.
But we have to start supporting black owned news and black media, because otherwise we only get propaganda.
There are 1,050 trillion websites that talk about Blueface and Krishan and what they do on a daily basis. I know more about the relationship between Ms. Netta and Charles than I have ever cared to
know about. We need more than just gossip and Internet stuff. We have to have real news in the
black community, because it's not as if these stories are not happening.
And I think there's telling that we've had so many black media outlets not be able to financially sustain themselves.
And that's partially because we as a black community do not support black news to the level that we need to be doing.
So we see real major stories in black news getting less views than a kid doing a makeup tutorial or opening
presents, you realize that we are not taking these issues seriously. And this is why so often when it
comes to political conversations, we get fed propaganda as opposed to policy, that when you
have to talk to other communities, you have to come in talking about legislation, dollars, cents,
how exactly this will impact your community. When they come to us, often they're talking about,
you know, entertainment and then doing the electric slide and all these other things,
as opposed to policy, because they don't believe that we are real consumers of real news and real
serious policy considerations. And if we start taking it seriously and putting real dollars
behind it, if you build it, they we talk about how vital this is, and listen, I've lived it for a long time, and I can't explain to people enough.
From a political standpoint, I'll give you a perfect example.
In the last two months, there have been four black- specific polls that were released.
We've had those folks on this show.
I think maybe one mainstream show did something on it, but they've been totally ignored.
And so if you don't have an opportunity to be able to tell your story, it's like a tree falling in the forest. And we've got to understand that if,
and I've said for years, we will rue the day when we're having to beg mainstream white media,
please, please, please, baby, please, can you cover our stuff? That should never be the case.
We've got to have black-owned media that's speaking to our issues. And yeah,
I don't give a damn about the Drake,
Kendrick, J. Cole
rap battle. I'm not talking about
that. Other folks can. That's fine.
But it's enough of that art out there.
We gotta have places where we talk
about our stuff.
I mean, I do think there's policy
implications in some of
the entertaining news and gossip,
but we still need a place where we can have serious news discussions, because even to talk
about the role in the Drake and Kendrick beef and whether or not AI is going to play a part of it,
to me, that is a real policy discussion that the Black community should be having,
because it's also the future of our workforce
as we see AI integrated into everyday life.
But that said, I think it's really important to note, Merlin, I think it was in March when
you were spending a lot of time talking about the media up front and how important that
they are because it then allows media companies and Black-owned media companies to determine their budget for the following year or even the next following two years.
So even listening to the sad story with what's happening over at the Griot, I wonder if the lack of investment in Black-owned media companies during the media up front,
if that also led to these layoffs. Like we can't, as a Black community, we cannot afford
to have less outlets because like you said, there's only a handful of outlets that's delivering news
by us, for us, about us. And that's very important as people are trying to navigate,
not just the political season, but just as people are trying to navigate,
navigate period, because you're not going to hear that from your local cookie cutter news.
And so that the reality is, is here. I mean, I have been for three years, three and a half years.
We've been dealing with these ad agencies being frozen out. We're finally, I think, making some headway.
But there are still other ad agencies that are giving us the runaround. And what they do is they have you talk to their multicultural teams,
but the real money is when you talk to the chief investment officer,
the people who handled the budgets.
And I'll tell you right now, for three years, publicists,
we dealt with that bullshit.
They had us talking to folk that had no monetary authority
whatsoever.
It was a complete waste of our time.
And it wasn't until one of my guys cussed them out,
and then the chief investment person was like,
wait a minute, what the hell is going on?
We finally started getting real meetings
with the chief investment officers of each one of the teams,
which has led to real conversations,
which we hope is going to actually lead to real money.
But we were dealing with a bullshit group of people
who were just giving us the runaround.
And then we find out that in the three years
we were dealing with them,
they were never presenting our stuff to the other teams.
These teams had no idea that we existed, the Black Star Network, the Urban Edge Network,
which is our advertising partner, existed.
And so this is the kind of stuff that we've been dealing with.
And so, again, losing shows is not a good thing.
And so the thing for us is, and I just keep telling the folk, we can't act like this is not a big deal.
I've lived and breathed media since I was 14.
And I'm going to tell you right now, there are stories that we do every single day.
They are not going to get any attention at ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox News, CNN, MSNBC. Black people watch MSNBC more than any
other cable network. And I can tell you right now, 95 percent, 98 percent of the stuff that we do
will never see the light of day at MSNBC. Absolutely. When we look at this decision,
I mean, you pointed out that news is a business.
At the end of the day, in order to keep employees, in order to keep an operation running, I mean,
Byron Allen is a businessman and he's going to look at what he has to do. But as you stated,
that the money is really the issue. Where advertisers are choosing to spend or not spend
their dollars is really the issue. When we look at, as you've stated, I'm sure there are many other Black-owned publications
that could attest to what you just stated, which is that the advertisers are happy to
take our money, but do not want to spend money to get us and to acquire us within their,
you know, spending audience, their target audience.
So we have to do double the work to convince them that this is the market share that
we have and that, you know, this conditioning that they're okay with, which is the entertainment and
that fluffy, nonsensical, oftentimes, you know, entertainment media, we have to also just,
as consumers, as Robert pointed out, be very aware of what's happening to us intellectually
and where we're being pushed in terms of, you know, how's happening to us intellectually and where we're
being pushed in terms of, you know, how we're spending our time, what we're thinking about and
what, you know, that creates as far as what we think our agenda is. We need spaces that are
elevated. We need spaces that are Black-owned that can, like you said, target these stories
that will never see the light of day in mainstream media. It's great that you have
been able to, you know, have the blueprint and show that this is something that is possible.
But it is something that, you know, again, some might argue by design is to keep us in a mindset
that is, you know, full of, you know, entertainment, sports, and that's it. But we need to
have these serious discussions because just like, you know, we are seeing black communities that are just so passionate about what's happening in Palestine, they have to also be engaged in understanding what is happening with us right here.
So without black, we don't have that.
And I want to create the record just real quick on the last segment.
I did say administrative hearing.
I was thinking congressional through judiciary and other platforms for Kristen Clark.
I just wanted to correct the record as to what my mind was.
Thank you, sir.
All right.
All right.
Well, appreciated.
So we'll wait to hear back.
Byron hits me back.
I'll let y'all know what he says.
All right.
Going to break.
We come back.
We're going to chat about artificial intelligence and its impact on music.
Folks, this could be very, very scary.
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A lot has been discussed regarding artificial intelligence and the concerns and the issues it will have.
Now, others say how great, amazing and wonderful it is.
So, for instance, Tyler Perry was embarking on a $800 million project on his studio campus in Atlanta area, but then when he started seeing artificial intelligence, he actually put a major
halt to it saying he may not even have to physically build sets because of AI. So people
are looking at artificial intelligence and say a lot of things can be done that's great and
wonderful, but there also are issues. The music industry is one that is keeping a close eye on how AI may become a major threat to artists.
Joining us right now is Isaac Hayes III, the managing manager.
He's the founder of Fanbase, also the son of, of course, legendary singer Isaac Hayes.
And Isaac, you dropped a video the other day that was that blew folks away.
And it was just something just rudimentary regarding artificial intelligence.
Explain.
I made a video prompt.
I wanted to make a song about use artificial intelligence platform called UDO to make a song about Call of Duty and rap music, right?
It's silly.
And it actually gave the prompt.
I actually gave it just kind of like vague prompts,
and it gave me a song that sounded like Jeezy's voice.
Young Jeezy's voice came back out of his prompt,
and I didn't give it anything about Jeezy.
I just said I want Trap, Atlanta, Call of Duty, booty, threw that in there,
and it made a whole song with hooks and verses and all that kind of stuff.
It was really eye-opening of what artificial intelligence can do with regard to music, so it was crazy.
And in your conversation with Jermaine, I'm sorry, it wasn't your conversation with Jermaine Dupri,
it was before Jermaine Dupri actually dropped the video where he went off on
these
apps. He said, wait a minute.
He said, basically what he was saying is,
okay, it takes talent to be a music producer.
He said, but this whole
idea that, oh no, you can be a
music producer at home and you can just
boom, press a couple of buttons and
presto, you got a hit song.
He was not happy about that.
Nah.
Jermaine was, and I understand why, because time, effort, and energy and the talent that someone like Jermaine has amassed over his, you know, 30-year music career, 30-plus music career, is something to be respected and valued. And the fact that these AI models are being
trained on copywritten music and artists and songs is the problem, because then it's not
making anything original. It's taking already, you know, created content and creating this new
content. So who owns that content? Who has the rights to that? And so I think it causes a
significant issue when it comes to the rights of artists right name image and likeness things
like that so a voice like someone like jesus and i i got a little pushback from saying that i feel
like artists should start to find ways to trademark their voice it's not very common that you can
trademark a voice but if you can attach your voice to a specific product or a specific industry then
you can trademark to protect your voice. And I think artists like musicians, singers, rappers should definitely be able to do that
because these programs, these AI-generated music generators are making songs that sound like Ronald Isley,
that sound like Kanye, that sound like Jeezy, that sound like all these different people.
And that's very, very scary.
And so it's going to be a battle.
I expect the music industry to come vehemently at platforms like UDL and some of these other song AI-driven music platforms, for real. But you also have said that, frankly,
anybody in the public space, including me, must be looking at trademarking our voice, our face, our likeness,
because it can be used with artificial intelligence in a way that we don't permit.
Yeah, it's important. I mean, you know, you can fabricate, you know, your likeness now. I mean,
Roland, right now there's platforms where you can actually clone your voice. You can take your voice, clone it, use it.
You can actually clone yourself as an avatar.
And, you know, a good percentage of people probably wouldn't even know it's you.
And so people being able to do that and fabricate your likeness and then say things and create content and have you say things that you never said and offend people or make people react in a way
that isn't authentic to who you are
and what you do is very, very dangerous.
That's the dangerous side of AI.
And I say that that's very, very important.
I think there's a beautiful and positive side to AI,
especially with music, because I think even when I've heard
some of the artists that have passed on
and AI try to recreate and generate music
based off that.
We saw Drake do that over the past week with the AI track, where he actually rapped as
Tupac, then he rapped as Snoop Dogg, and then himself.
And people were really stunned and amazed that it sounded exactly like Pac and sounded
exactly like Snoop.
And so, for people that are no longer with us in those
estates and those families want to continue for their legacy to live on and be able to create
music and do things or remix music or even artists that have lost their voice, you know what I'm
saying? Like, I think it's Freeway or Segal that's kind of lost their voice to the DLC.
They could come back and make records now, cloning their voice and make music using AI because, you know,
they could take the vocals that they had and they originally had before DLC got its accident.
And now he can make rap albums again. So that's the that's the good side about AI.
But people are always going to use artificial intelligence in a negative way as well as a positive way.
And so we have to have that balance in between. Questions from our panel.
First up, let's see, who's probably
well-versed on AI? I'm sure Robert probably has his own AI game featuring guns and stuff along
those lines. So, Robert, you go first. Oh, you're not far off. But on that point about AI, how exactly do we keep legislative policy
up to date on what's going on with technology? We're now, as you were mentioning, you can do
deep fakes now, where they can take literally anybody's face and put it on live moving video,
mouth moving also, and say lines and read any script. How we could also now do entire movie performances.
We saw Samuel L. Jackson be deepfaked and de-aged in the Marvels by 30 years,
to the point now you don't even need the actor to be on set anymore.
I believe Star Wars bought James Earl Jones' voice,
so even after James Earl Jones is dead, he will still be the voice of Darth Vader,
which is creepy.
Carrie Fisher is still appearing in Star Wars movies, even though she's been dead for years.
How exactly do we regulate these things? Because right now it seems that it's very much
individuals have control of their name, image, and life. But it seems in the future,
people will just be able to run off and just reproduce this entire show on a computer
and not accredit it to any of us. I mean, I think that's going to happen. Some form of piracy is always going to happen, right? But it's when that piracy is monetized, right?
When someone tries to make a movie and sell it. I think people try to take people's copyright.
People try to, you know, burn DVDs of movies that are already out. And that's a form of piracy. So
AI digital piracy is going to be something that exists. So I think, number one, I mean,
there's ways to tell.
And actually, they're working on programs to tell if something is AI-generated or not.
So there's always a way to be able to tell if something is artificial or something is not artificial.
So that's first and foremost is making sure that we have the technology to decipher between what's real and what isn't.
Because as we move further along in the next few years, you'll be able to recreate images and photos.
I've been on Mid-Journey 6.
I've been on UDL with music.
You'll be able to render photos of yourself and songs of yourself.
And it's really cool.
I mean, those are the cool things to do.
So I think every individual human being is going to have to find a way to trademark their name and likeness and have this unique identity, this fingerprint, this voice fingerprint that is yours, this vocal print that is yours.
So then if someone is trying to make a song out of your voice or someone is trying to
deepfake you into a piece of content that they can, you know, you can be notified that
someone's using your voice illegally, have that voice pulled down, X, Y, Z, and move
on and so forth.
So policy is definitely going to start on Capitol Hill.
And they need to get on it sooner than later because AI is moving way faster than the government.
Absolutely.
Suzette?
Yeah, I think to answer Robert's question, I was looking as research for this particular
discussion that there are bills that are being discussed with regards to having these UDO and other platforms have to disclose
what they use as original source material in creating that new sound.
So we know AI, again, is based off of all the things that have ever been written and
sung in this case.
So it came from somewhere.
It started with somebody's intellectual property, not only voice, but perhaps even flow or perhaps
even melodies, et cetera, et cetera. So there are bills, and I was just reading about it today,
that are being offered to make these companies disclose. I want to ask, thank you for being here,
Mr. Fanbase, about the music industry's response. Has there been a coalescing or any type of mass
movement where, like in the case of maybe, if people
remember Napster, that, you know, it was basically sued out of existence? Are you hearing, are you
seeing anybody come together, coalescing around demands when it comes to companies that are
basically, as you stated, pirating other people's information and thoughts and intellectual property?
And I know there's maybe some fair use arguments, but again, they're monetizing it. This is not for educational purposes. This is not just snippets.
This is literally voice patterns, just like someone who already exists. Have you heard about
any lawsuits or any other significant means of this industry starting the discussions about how
they're going to combat this so that their intellectual property is just not exploited without any type of recompense or recourse?
Yes, absolutely.
Those conversations are happening now.
There's stories being written.
There's conversations behind closed doors that are happening because, again, one thing
the music industry is going to do is protect those publishing—that publishing and those
masters.
That is the core—you know, that is the income.
That's the moulay.
What did you say?
That's the moulay.
The money.
The money is in that publishing and those masters.
And so when someone tries to step on that and come in and encroach upon, you know, these
publishing companies and their IP, oh, they're going to shut it down.
So, again, I don't know how UDL is going to make it out of this.
You know what I'm saying?
It's a great tool.
Again, it's fun to use.
If you want a cute song to impress your girlfriend, go right ahead.
Write a love song about her.
Comes out perfect.
I think that's really cool.
But it's the fact that if it comes out sounding like Sam Cooke, is the estate of Sam Cooke
going to get paid to do that?
And that's the problem that I think they're having.
So those conversations are absolutely being had, though.
People have been calling me like, yeah, they're already looking at them.
So get ready for that.
Rebecca?
Oh, Drake using Tupac's voice and rapping using Tupac's voice.
I personally thought it was corny.
However, Drake is one of the most profitable artists in the world right now,
right? He's making a lot of money for a lot of people in the music industry. And so that leads
me to think that the music industry wants music and the music industry to go in this particular
direction with the use of AI. So my question for you is, is this ultimately good for the
individual artists if there is incorporation of AI into the music industry? Or is this ultimately good for the individual artists if there is incorporation
of AI into the music industry? Or is this more where it's just a next level for the music industry
to continue to profit? Well, when you ask that question, I can't think just about the artists.
I have to think about the songwriter, the producer, the engineer, the mastering engineer. Those are
jobs that are in jeopardy for things like that because, you know,
these programs are making the tracks. They're playing instruments. They're, you know, doing
drum programming and drum patterns. And these are all jobs and arts and skills that other people
have been doing and getting paid handsomely for since the beginning of the music industry.
So now if artificial intelligence is going around creating tracks that are, you know, that are not
copywritten material or based off copywritten material or source material, it becomes very, very
slope.
And so I think there's really good uses for AI.
I think you can do some creative things.
I thought what Drake did was creative.
I don't know if, you know, West Coast fans might have appreciated it.
Kendrick Lamar fans might have appreciated it.
But I thought it was pretty savvy for him to rap as Tupac and as Snoop Dogg, asking Kendrick to hurry up and respond to his diss record.
And that was a cool use of A.I. and the ability to do that.
But you actually see these labels laying off a lot of people.
So they're laying off a lot of internal staff.
But now when you think about laying off or not working with songwriters and producers anymore because AI can generate tracks.
And then now you can fabricate artists and sell music.
It just, you know, I think there's ways to use AI a positive way.
And I say this with every functionality that's ever created in tech.
You have to take it to hell before you take it to heaven.
And all that means is you got to figure out the worst thing that someone can do with it
before you figure out the really cool, fun things you can do.
And so I think with the music industry, they're definitely going to figure out what nefarious things that can be done
to cost them money, you know, that costs the music industry money or the artists money to do that.
But again, I think this is also going to focus more on, and I say this with AI, is that IRL
content, in real life content is going to matter more and more moving forward. So the show is going
to matter. Seeing Drake, Kendrick, Beyonce live in concert is going to matter more and more moving forward. So the show is going to matter. Seeing Drake, Kendrick, Beyonce live in concert
is going to matter more than sometimes the music
that they create.
The trend of AI continues to grow,
and these programs take over music.
Then the live performance aspect is
going to be a lot more valuable to the artists themselves.
All right then. Isaac, give us an update on the crowdfunding. All right then.
Isaac, give us an update on the crowdfunding raise for Fanbase.
Oh, goodness.
We just passed $1 million raise for our round on StartEngine.
I'm asking everybody who wants to invest, who's watching right now,
go to StartEngine.com, slash Fanbase to invest.
Have equity in Fanbase.
The minimum to invest is $399. You get equity in this company. We're raising $17 million, but our first milestone was a million. Our next is $2.5
million, which we want to reach. And so with that, we always announce things that we can do. So just
passing this first million dollars, we're about to add RTMP streaming for video games, live streaming
events, stuff like that to fanbase so
that is coming and so the more capital we raise the more we're able to execute and build upon
that so just like you see on my shirt if you can't see sometimes go to startengine.com fanbase to
invest um and get some equity fan base again tick tock might be going away um it's good to have
equity in a company that might be the successor to tick tock if tick tock
leaves um and be able to have equity in that because you can't have equity in tick tock
so again i tell people um better safe than sorry to grab some shares move your content over to fan
base um and join the community as we continue to scale and by so you said by getting rtmp so
that's the key so let's say if we wanted to actually stream our show
on Fanbase, we'll be able to do
that once you have RTMP and
a stream key.
Yeah, absolutely. We'll be able to do that.
Roland, I thought I was going to hear your song. I sent you a song.
Did they ever send you the song that I sent you?
No.
Did you ever hear that song?
Oh, man. It was AI generated.
I made a Roland Martin.
Hold on. Hold on. Carol, you have it?
Oh, yeah.
Dude, she didn't tell me about the song.
Oh, listen.
You got to listen to it.
You didn't even tell me.
First of all, she said it's in the script.
Well, first of all, I'm already at the damn questions.
So I'm going to get to that part of the script.
Anyway, all right.
So Isaac, all right.
Go ahead and play this AI generated song.
See, Carol, you should have told me at the top. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. Go. see, you should tell me at the top.
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Are you ready?
Let's go.
It's the rolling potting show.
Are you ready?
Let's go.
It's the rolling potting show.
Are you ready?
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So, just straight created by AI.
That's not, no real people there.
No real people there.
I made that in 30 seconds, Roland.
Like, it was that fast to make that.
Wow, that's crazy. All right, Carol,
play the second one
that's also not in the script.
I will come back.
Are you ready?
Let's go.
Y'all playing music?
The rolling
show.
Are you ready?
Let's go.
Ooh.
It's the Roland Martin Show.
Let's see.
Again, folks, folks better understand what it's going to do.
You're right.
The government better get going to move real fast
because AI is moving real quick.
Go ahead.
I did both of those songs in less than a minute.
It took less than two minutes to make those songs.
I said, give me a Roland Martin theme song,
make it 70s funk soul or smooth R&B,
and then it just made it.
I didn't pick the voices.
The first one sounded like En Vogue.
I thought, well, En Vogue singing the Roland Martin show.
That's the thing about it.
It's crazy what you can do.
So AI is coming.
But, yeah, they're going to have to move on this really, really fast.
Yeah, and En Vogue actually sings the real theme song to Roland Martin Unfiltered.
That's Cindy Heron and Terry Ellis.
Yeah. D Ellis. Yeah.
Yeah, so our actual theme song,
they actually did that and gifted it to me.
It was actually, they cut
that because I solicited
some folks to do the theme song for
TV One's News One Now.
And then they were like, well, that sounds dated.
So what they do, they went with some old boring-ass
canned news. I was like, y, that sounds dated. So what they do, they went with some old boring-ass canned news.
I was like, y'all went with some canned shit,
and we could have had In Vogue as the theme song.
I think the In Vogue version is a hell of a lot better
than that canned crap we had with News 1 Now TV 1.
But that's neither here nor there.
It's now the theme song of Rollerball Unfiltered.
Isaac, I appreciate it, man.
Thanks a lot.
Thank you, man.
Suzette, Robert, and Rebecca, I appreciate y'all being on today's show.
Thank you so very much as well.
Appreciate it.
Good luck, folks.
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All right, folks.
Sunday and Monday was the 17th annual George Lopez Celebrity Golf Classic. We kicked things off at Topgolf with the pairings party.
And then on Monday, the golf tournament was at Lakeside.
Here's just some of the fun stuff right here.
What's your musical request this year?
Airport Diaries.
Goes down in line.
I experience, I experience, oh, you're on a budget? I watch you, I watch you, brother.
I watch you.
Hey. I watch this with the airport
diary so I ignore that stuff.
You know what I'm saying?
I avoid that shit.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate that you're kind of
golfing because I'm left handed as well.
There you go. I'll be watching you.
There you go.
Yeah, absolutely.
You're the crack, right?
You're the crack. There you go. I'll be watching you. There you go. Oh, yeah.
Absolutely.
You're the crack.
You're the crack.
There you go.
You know it.
All right, y'all.
So my wife, Jack, is a huge fan of the unit.
Okay.
Always watching the show.
Betty Woo in the flesh, still alive and kicking.
Dude, trust me.
So we're huge fans of the show.
Both of us watch it.
But she watches now all the repeats.
Sure.
So, and then she gets, she's still mad they changed the theme song.
I'm still mad they changed the theme song, sweetheart.
There was nothing like,
Ada, Ada, Ada, come on.
The other theme song is why we got canceled.
There we go. That was like, that was like MAGA right.
That was MAGA right.
That was sucky.
But you know, this is not my club.
Oh, it's the club?
It's the club.
It's the club.
Okay.
All right, here we go.
On three.
One, two, three.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you.
Okay, that's better.
Need some more bass.
Happy birthday to George.
Happy birthday to you.
Now, all the black people, we sing the CD Wonder version.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday to you.
Happy birthday.
Come on, Michael Wilson.
Fake like you're black, Mike.
No rhythm.
He's in no rhythm.
I just want to thank Ricky Williams for coming out here and helping me celebrate my birthday.
Ricky Williams, University of Texas.
Miami Dolphins. Miami Dolphins. for coming out here and helping me celebrate my birthday. Ricky Williams, University of Texas, you're in the seat.
Miami Dolphins.
Miami Dolphins.
Laughing before you.
You know, thank you for that rousing rendition
of happy birthday.
As you get over those two things that are happening,
I'm not gonna remember, and as you were singing,
I peed a little bit.
So, let me go out there,
and thank you for not putting all my candles
in because we'd have to put a wet towel over it.
Happy birthday!
Yay!
Thank you.
Thank you. It's wonderful to be here
at Warner Brothers and just
everyone involved
with this project.
Jurassic Park has been so fantastic.
The dinosaurs are big.
Yeah, thank you everybody.
We've been doing this for 17 years
and Linda said, this is it.
No more.
No, she is here.
I wish she would though. No, no, but thank you for all of your
support and all that.
And you know,
Dennis Haysbert,
you see Dennis Haysbert here.
If you hit somebody on the way out,
talk to him about our state.
Also, of course, African-American.
Before Barack Obama,
Dennis Haysbert was our first African-American president.
24, and as soon as he got in,
they cut it down to 17.
Thank you.
Thank you, Dennis Hayes.
They spin better than the Usher Bucks.
They spin better than the Usher Bucks.
So, Sid?
I love that.
Sid, you're 60th?
Oh, man.
6-0, bro.
We did it.
We went hard.
We went hard in Vegas.
Shout out to my man coming through here.
I was shocked to see you, Evan, actually here before the tour.
I said, they're going to roll in by 1 o'clock.
George was there, too.
I said, we all going to make it back to his tournament, man.
But you can hear it in my voice.
It was wore out.
We had a blast, man.
We opened up the residency, me, Tony Braxton, Chelsea Theater, Triumph.
It sold out.
Big show.
Everybody, y'all get a chance to go see it this summer at the Chelsea at the Cosmo.
Love and laughter tour, crazy as fun.
And then, man, it was 6-0.
Had a big party, man.
We had loose ends perform.
It was crazy.
Tony came and sang happy birthday to me.
It was lit, man.
So my voice is gone.
We did the AC barbecue brunch the next day at Lolo's Chicken and Waffles.
Y'all shout them out, Lolo's, man.
So it's been a legendary 6-0, man.
I guess you only turned 61, they say.
Yeah, just once.
Just once.
Just once.
That's good.
Just once.
We're having a great time.
Now, normally you got your little cap of red, but today, I mean, are you trying to like, you know,
you trying to feel like DL and Ampere trying to show some love?
Yeah, boy, you know, I pulled the little, you know,
the pink Jordans on them.
That was it, man.
Not the pink Jordans.
Yeah, yeah.
Hit them with it.
Hit them with the one-two on these guys, man.
But, you know, I figured it was kind of summertime.
We open it up.
We in May.
You know what I'm saying?
Oh, we still April though, isn't it? It's still April. It's April. It's still April. It opening up. We in May. You know what I'm saying? Oh, we still April.
It's still April?
It's April.
It's still April.
It's good.
It's still May time.
Yeah, you can tell y'all had too much fun.
You're like, is it May?
Is it May?
Yeah, what day is it?
Georgia tournament usually is May.
So we're excited about it, man.
So it's going to be a great day out here, man.
This is one of the fun, you know, you know,
Georgia tournament is always one of the fun ones, man.
So I'm going to have a blast.
Are we going back to Mexico this year? No, man, we're going to bring it back. You know, Georgia's tournament's always one of the fun ones, man. So I'm gonna have a blast.
Are we going back to Mexico this year?
Oh, man, we gonna bring it back.
You know, that was my 10th,
so I wanted to do something new.
So we're gonna bring it back to the stateside this time.
So we'll be back out in Camarillo somewhere.
Think we'll do it in Santa Coy this year.
It's gonna be fun.
All right, baby.
Appreciate it.
All right.
All right, sure.
This'll be good.
The party was fun.
The barbecue was great.
We had a blast, man.
Thank you, baby.
George, what do you make of the... Y'all like Ying and Yang with your pants and his shirt?
Listen, man, fuck Ying and Yang.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, y'all are Ying and Yang twins?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
We're doing the anti-fans.
Listen, man.
Yeah, yeah.
Are we trying to wear no hats in 1983, my friend?
Come on now. The sun's going to disintegrate. Live golf, baby. You're trying to wear no hat for 1983, my buddy. Come on now.
The sun's going to disintegrate.
Live golf, baby.
Live golf.
Oh, he got a little shark hat, though.
Right.
You know what I'm saying?
Live golf, damn it.
Hey, I was looking for that hat, my buddy.
I got the cream one at the house.
So all y'all know how I feel about West Wing.
I have all of the DVDs.
Forget trying to stream it.
I want to make sure that if anybody takes it off the streaming service, I still got it.
So that is still my number one show to this day.
People don't realize it because I'm so much more handsome now than I used to be.
But I was on the West Wing.
Right.
This is Toby, folks.
Not Toby from Roots.
Okay, that was Toby and Kunta.
No, but Toby from the West Wing.
If y'all have not seen it, to this day, it holds up one of the most fantastic shows in the history of television.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Always good seeing you.
Good seeing you.
Smokey, you feeling orgasmic? I feel, yes, I am. television. Absolutely. Absolutely. Always good seeing you. Good seeing you.
Smokey, you feeling orgasmic?
I feel, yes I am.
This is going to be agasmic.
So they keep messing with you on social media with your dancing in leather.
Well, you know.
But you like, I'm still singing, they're still paying to see you.
As long as I get some attention, it don't matter.
But the new album's going well?
Doing well, man.
Doing really well.
And the thing about it is, you know, when you have a new album out nowadays,
it's only been out for about three months, and already there's four singles.
You know, the people just pick the singles, and it just, you know,
ain't like the old days.
You have one, and then they play it, and then, you know,
after a while they pay another one.
So it's doing great for me.
All right.
Good to see you, too.
I was good to see you.
Doing well.
I see you always completely coordinated.
Look who's talking.
Completely.
Look who's talking.
I mean, completely.
You're like Ryder Cup coordinated.
Look who's talking, the man who I've never seen uncoordinated.
Well, you know.
In personal life, golf, whatever it is.
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying.
You're just saying.
All right, baby.
All right, baby.
Good seeing you.
Y'all hit them well.
All right.
Which one are we here?
Y'all won.
I thought we won six.
I thought so, too, but I was looking at that.
That's something else.
You didn't want to end.
After all these years.
What a stunning copy you look like.
I think we look good together.
Just saying.
What's up, Cool Breeze?
Just saying.
I'm ready.
What?
What's up, Cool Breeze?
Hit him straight, baby.
I mean, come on.
Do you know my wife?
How you doing?
Hi.
I mean, this is Eddie.
She's like the reason I have hope.
Aw.
There you go.
George, I love you, man.
I love you.
The reason I'm here is because of your wife, your ex-wife, the one
who gave you the body that we're all here for.
You know what?
I love you, George.
The foundation, the reason we all understand it.
Thank you.
Appreciate it, baby.
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Thank you very much.
Appreciate that.
Do it for the gram.
Do it for the gram.
Okay.
All right, y'all.
So, you know, what was the last tournament?
Y'all were out of cobbler.
Marcus Allen, he took all the damn cobbler, didn't he?
Yeah.
Yeah, and so thankfully they were on the third hole.
So if Marcus ain't here,
I saw Brother Fine gets a piece of cobbler.
You ain't got to heat it up because it's in the sun.
Real good.
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God damn
Fucking bombs away
Go ahead Go ahead Oh, goddamn, fucking bombs away.
Wait a minute.
Why would I waste my time? Go ahead, go ahead.
Why would I waste my time?
Let's fucking smoke.
Just saying, you know, just saying.
Just saying.
Sometimes you got to go ahead and do that.
Craig it!
Is that a little short? Is that a little short? Yes.
Is that a little short?
You fucking killed that thing.
Hey, I didn't even fucking swing.
I said, fucking roll. Fuck that. Why lose a ball?
I still have my ball because he fucking hit like a 300-yard drive.
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God damn it!
Uh-uh, uh-uh, not a bad idea.
Hit it straight.
Great.
God damn, bro.
Wow, man.
Oh, you hit him, Joe.
Did you just see?
Yeah, I just saw it.
Did you hit anybody?
What?
Did you hit anybody?
He got on the green right there.
You know why you want to...
Hey, why you steal my ball, man?
Why you steal my ball?
Hey, stop, man.
Stop playing. That shit hurts, man. Stop playing.
That shit hurts, yo.
Stop that shit.
What's up, baby?
You hitting them well?
Or you just chilling?
Oh, you ain't got golf coins back here.
Come on. somebody just chilling oh you ain't got golf course back here It was a load of fun there.
George Lopez, Celebrity Golf Classic.
But it was a little sad.
Linda Small, she is being the tournament organizer.
This was her last tournament after 17 years. And it was, we were at the post-award ceremony,
and it got a little emotional when she made this announcement.
Here's George, who was really choked up about her.
This has been her last one. to be the presence of Kidney Foundation. I mean, it's literally like I've been home for two days,
and she came over, and, you know,
so I didn't open the door,
but I was married to a Cuban children.
And, man, I just, I don't really know what to say.
Other than when I had my transplant 19 and a half years ago,
I felt so good a day and a half after that.
I just felt like I couldn't turn my back on people that were sick,
and that's why we're here.
But we wouldn't be here without Linda, and I can't.
Linda's done a fantastic job.
We took a picture afterwards.
She always would get everybody organized.
And again, we want to wish Linda well. She's had some health challenges. This is her last
time organizing the tournament. And so again, we want to thank her a lot. And also always
appreciate my homie George Lopez for having me out. And that hat George got on so George George has has a tradition where George
will actually gift me a hat every year so he saw my cowboy hat and he said uh he said what size
is he said what size you wearing uh and so uh at the end of the tournament he actually at the end
of the tournament he actually gave me that hat that he has on uh and so I appreciate that George
so it's always great to see him, see all the folks out there.
The money raised for the George Lopez Foundation,
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Remember George's former wife actually gave him her kidney.
That's why he is still with us.
And so more than 3,000 kids have gone through the kidney camp
since they started this foundation.
So it's always great to be out there.
And so, George, another great year.
We appreciate it.
And next month, well, actually this month, now we're in May,
Anthony Anderson has his celebrity golf tournament in Palm Desert.
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I'm Clayton English.
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Yes, sir.
Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war.
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