#RolandMartinUnfiltered - LIVE at Turkey Leg Hut; Jamal Sutherland jail video; GA court: Use force to resist unlawful arrest

Episode Date: May 15, 2021

5.14.21 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Turkey Leg Hut offers free walk-up COVID vax; Jamal Sutherland jail video released; GA court: San Diego Police Department is investigating after two of its officers were caught on video repeatedly punching a Black man during an arrest; Use force to resist unlawful arrest; Mississippi Court of Appeals ruled that a 38-year-old Black man must remain in prison to serve his life sentence for marijuana possession; New York Mayoral candidate Art Chang speaks; Black Republican Lt. Governor in Virginia says Critical Race Theory is nonsense + The underfunding of Tennessee State University and other HBCUs.Support #RolandMartinUnfiltered via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered#RolandMartinUnfiltered is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So we'll be talking with him about that. We'll also be talking with Pastor Cosby, of course, who leads Willow Avenue Baptist Church about gentrification and how they are staying in the hood to transform one of Houston's most historic black neighborhoods. Also on today's show, authorities in South Carolina, they have released troubling, shocking, and stunning video of a black man killed by jail officials.

The family, just a few moments ago, announced a settlement of $10 million with the city. Folks, we've got to show you that, plus the San Diego Police Department, they're investigating two of its officers who were caught on tape for repeatedly punching a black man during an arrest. In Georgia, the state Supreme Court ruled

that if police perform an unlawful arrest, the person being arrested can essentially fight back. Oh yeah, we gotta tell you about that. And in Mississippi, a court of appeals ruled that a 38-year-old black man must remain in prison to serve his life sentence for marijuana possession. That's the Jim Crow stuff happening in Mississippi. Also, we'll talk with Art Chang, who's running for mayor of New York City.

Plus, a black Republican lieutenant governor candidate in Virginia says critical race theory is nonsense. So is she. And in our Education Matters segment, the state of Tennessee has said that Tennessee State University has been grossly underfunded by nearly half a billion dollars. We'll give you those details. Folks, it is time to bring the funk, H-Town style, on Roland Martin Unfiltered.

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Folks, it is one of the hottest restaurants in the city of Houston. As Corey goes on down the sidewalk here, we're on Almeda Road here in Houston, Texas, the Third Ward, known as the Trey. You'll see how packed this restaurant is. It is always packed seven days a week. We're broadcasting live from out here because the city of Houston, they're actually doing free COVID-19 vaccine shots. We're going to be joined by the mayor of Houston, my alpha brother, Sylvester Turner, in today's show. And so we're looking forward

to that. We'll also be joined by Pastor Marcus Cosby, who leads the historic Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church here in Third Ward, talking about the transformation they are undergoing with their new facility and how they're doing things differently here in Third Ward as well. And so we've been here since Wednesday. And so certainly glad to see all of you here on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Yes, I'm wearing my Jack Yates High School hat. Jack Yates, of course, not far from here in the historic third ward here in Houston, Texas. A lot of stuff, folks, that we want to cover on today's show. But first, we're going to open in South Carolina, where officials there released video late last night of a young black man named Jamie Southerland, folks, Jamal Southerland, who was viciously beaten and killed by jail officials.

This took place January 5th, 2021. He experienced a mental crisis in the Sheriff's Department. He died in the Al Cannon Detention Center a few hours after being arrested for what? A misdemeanor assault charge. So last night, the Charleston County Sheriff's Office released this video footage folks. Let me warn you right now. It is shocking. It is disturbing and this is led to a settlement with this family that was announced moments ago. We carried this live on Roland Martin unfiltered a

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Watch this. It is with great sadness that I speak to you about the death of Jamal Sutherland. Like many of you, I have seen the recent news coverage and believe it is in the community's best interest to understand what happened. While the city's involvement ended the day prior to Jamal's passing, I can at least shed light on the City of North Charleston's interactions. Jamal died at the Charleston County Jail on January 5, 2021, a day after North Charleston released him into the custody of the Sheriff's Department. I know that Sheriff Graziano is reviewing her

staff's involvement. North Charleston's review is, obviously, centered on the actions of the North Charleston police officers. Our police department's encounter with Jamal ended the previous day when we turned him over safe to the jail staff. Nonetheless, I want the people of North Charleston to see how our officers treated Jamal and understand why he was taken into custody. Charleston County 911 dispatched officers from our department to Palmetto Behavioral Health on the evening of January 4th. Officers were told that a large-scale fight had erupted among patients and staff and that staff urgently needed help from law enforcement. I want you to hear this for yourself so you can understand why North

Charleston Police Department responded. Here are the first moments of the call made to dispatch. patients in the psychiatric hospital. One has assaulted several patients and they're asking for press charges and now he's trying to assault more people. In a later clip, you hear Palmetto staff report that people are in danger and hear the situation inside Palmetto start to deteriorate. Are you and anyone else in danger right now? Several people are in danger right now. Yes, ma'am. What's going on now, Melissa? Another patient has come to this unit and is trying to fight other patients.

We need help. Yes, ma'am. So there's two patients they're fighting right now? Several patients are fighting right now. Yes, ma'am. We do have a respondent in route, okay? Shortly thereafter, the scene becomes even more chaotic. Yes ma'am, okay, so we've separated the two primary patients, but I don't know how long it will last. He's very big.

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Please, please. We need help. He just beat the shit out of Phillip. Hey, we need help over here if anybody can spare it. Don't worry about it. Stay back. Phillip, don't worry about it. Stay back. Phillip, come back. Come back.

Phillip just got the s*** kicked out of him. That's one of the staff members? Yeah, go outside and sit down right there. Phillip, if you see the police, just wave them. They're taking two patients. They're taking at least both of these patients to jail. Yes, ma'am. How many people have been injured?

Do you need MS? Five or six, seven, eight, probably ten. We probably need MS. Given the mass fight that had just occurred inside Palmetto, leaving Jamal at Palmetto or taking him to some other unsecured facility was not a safe option for patients or staff. North Charleston Police had a responsibility to deliver Jamal safely from Palmetto to the jail. That is exactly what they did. Prior to transporting Jamal to jail, our officers

took the time to ask all the questions that you would want them to ask. They talked to Palmetto's behavioral staff to understand exactly what had happened. Dr. Malga tried to come across the unit so we had a code with him. We got him kind of like calmed down and then lo and behold he started punching people on the other unit. Yeah. He got one guy twice real good in the face. We tried to block him, break him up. We got him kind of over to the corner, and another patient was trying to take up with one of the patients that got hit, so he popped him in the face twice. They also specifically asked about whether the victims wanted to have Jamal arrested or prosecuted.

Of key importance here, recognizing that Jamal had mental issues and was in custody of Palmetto Behavioral Health, our officers specifically asked both Palmetto and Charleston County EMS if it was appropriate for Jamal to be taken to the jail. This is what North Charleston Police Department was told by Palmetto. So Jamal came across the counter and like threw the fax machine, all that kind of stuff. And we finally got him kind of contained. And then one of our staff members tried to get Jamal kind of, like, hold him. And he went at him and attacked him.

So it was, like, freaking chaos. It was one thing happening and then something else happening and then something else happening. So the people who got punched, are they staff members? Two of them are patients. One hit two patients. Jamal assaulted a staff member. Okay, staff want to press charges? I don't think so.

And we got to see the patients. The two patients, and they're pretty adamant about wanting to press charges. So I can get their addresses for you if that's what you need. We need all their information, and we need to talk to them. We need to make sure they want to press charges. And by Charleston County EMS. Yeah, because he just told me to get us out of this face. He doesn't want to talk to them. We need to make sure they want to press charges. And by Charleston County EMS. Yeah, because he just told me to get up out of his face. He doesn't want to talk to me. Are those court committals or anything?

He's committed. I imagine that Jamal is committed as well. Okay. So how does that work? So on papers, how does that work to go to the jail? They can go to the jail. They just have to stay in custody of somebody. And that's where the issue lies is they have the ultimate say because they've been put into their care in terms of for medical treatment. So if they wanted them transported someplace, they have to make sure it's set up with whatever facility that they're going to accept them if they went to the hospital. But as long as they're in police custody one way or another, then they're covered because they're committal of the court, so they're still in somebody's custody. We just can't let them walk

out or let them go wherever, whatever hospital they want to go to. As you hear, Palmetto and Charleston County EMS indicated that jail was an appropriate destination. Our officers transported him there. It is worth noting that Charleston County Jail has dedicated medical facilities on site for inmates. In fact, you will see in the next clip that a jail nurse was already in the intake area at the time our officers brought Jamal in. Let go!

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Please. Have fun. Thank you. You'll see that when our officers last had Jamal in sight, he was healthy and being accompanied by a nurse as he went into the jail. It brings me sorrow to know that Jamal passed away the following day on January the 5th. But I am relieved that video and audio exist to let us see the respect and patience that North Charleston police officers displayed that night. While Jamal's family continues to grieve his passing, I hope our recordings of the interaction gives the family and the community confidence in the way we conducted ourselves. The family of Jamal Sutherland also made a public statement,

and here's what they had to say with the release of last night's video. I'd like to thank the leadership in our state that's come out to help. I appreciate everyone. What I want to say is that because of some things that are being put out, I feel like Jamal died yesterday. We were at a point where our hearts were content that Jamal was in heaven. We have people now saying and doing things that they should not be doing because they're not aware of the situation. I'm going to tell you about my son jamal jamal was the second of our three kids he was a man of god we had somebody a cousin of mine go in his room and she goes why he has so

many religious books because he wanted to learn about god mental illness does not give anybody the right to put their hands on my child that's my child i love my child his brother and his fathers they love jamal jamal was good i 16 surgeries. Jamal never left my side. Even when he was going to the mental hospital, he wanted to make sure that his mom was all right. And I asked God to please, please have mercy on some of these people that are doing things that aren't right for a family that's grieving. Jamal's body is not an invitation for a circus.

When you put these tapes, remember, he is a human being. He's not an animal. He was treated like one, but that's not who Jamal was. Jamal gave away everything he had. He would do anything for people. Jamal was a great, great, great son. He loved his father and he told his father how much he loved him. He has two brothers. He loved his brothers. Jamal would give you the clothes off of his back because that's how I trained all of my children. Jamal was an example of what I wanted him to be. He died and when he was being tased, he was freed. He's hollering hallelujah. If you don't hear what the tape is saying, my son's saying hallelujah.

They're handcuffing my son. He's hollering hallelujah. How many men you know hollering hallelujah when they're going to jail? Jamal had enough sense to say, you didn't read me my rights. He may have been mentally ill, but he was brilliant. Jamal made music and gave it away. Jamal was an example of what we should want all our young men to be. Black, white, purple, or green. I'm not going to stand before anybody and say anything that I don't know for sure. And I ask you actually do the same. Respect my family. Know that hurt is not going away. It's still in us. We waited

patiently. We waited for the tape to be released. People are saying that we didn't want to speak. I wanted to speak the day he died died but I can tell you something I didn't know I did not know now that I know now did I know how my baby died I'm proud of him mentally ill still able to say thank you Jesus take care of me. I want y'all to know Jamal was a great man. He had faults like everybody else, but he was a great man. I just want you to know that. If I could bring him back I'd leave. I would leave this earth for Jamal to come back to me. I cried so many days, come back. He's not coming back.

And I'm content that God has Jamal in his arms. So please, don't make a show that this is my baby's death. I don't need people out here reading lies. I don't need that. You destroy families when you do that. If you don't know, you are destroying the inside of us. You don't know, but you're telling somebody else about us. Please keep your conversations to what you know.

I don't want any violence in my city. I want us to view this tape, and I want us to learn what we don't want happening again. I ask no violence. White, purple, green, we have black men being killed every day. I mean every day. I didn't want to watch it and Jamal didn't watch it because it hurt our soul. Please no more hurt from media parties because they don't know him. And if you don't know him, please don't speak of him because he was a great man. That was a great

man. And I'm going to leave you with that. Jamal Sutherland was a great man. And there are some people that know they need to do things and they're not doing it. So I ask those of you who knew your part in my son's murder to do the right thing. Please do the right thing. Thank you. All right, folks, man, that's quite emotional there. Let's go to my panel. D. Hawkins Hagler, former Georgia State Representative, Michael Imhotep, host of the African History Network and Brittany Lee Lewis, political analyst. D., I want to start with you. Obviously, extremely emotional. You clearly saw the folks in Charleston. They knew that this was going to be a devastating video. Everything I heard last night from people, they said, this is going to be ugly. They've got the concern about protest as a PGA tournament in Charleston,

South Carolina on next week. And folks there are bracing themselves for a weekend of protest. Well, that was absolutely heartbreaking. We, after watching that video and I'm going to be honest with you, I didn't want to watch it the first time, Rolly, that was absolutely heartbreaking. After watching that video, and I'm going to be honest with you, I didn't want to watch it the first time, but I did watch it this time when you showed it. It literally was just heartbreaking.

And I know, I grew up around mental illness. My mother was a psychiatric nurse for many years. And during that time, there was a way to restrain people who were having psychotic breaks. And I don't think that the behavior system in Charleston nor the police department handled this the right way. Even if they thought he was a threat, they could have taken him,

if necessary, to another facility, even to a hospital for a 72-hour stay. I don't know what happened right here, but they didn't want us to see the final version because they knew that the public would be outraged. And so my heart just goes out to the family

and enough is enough. We have got to stop killing black men. The thing here, Brittany, and this is what we talk about here. Here's a young man arrested on a misdemeanor charge. Now you talk about mental illness. We keep going over this over and over and over again. This is what happens when you have to confront law enforcement, when they deal with people who are mentally ill.

He's now dead. Absolutely, Roland. And it's unfortunate that we continue to run into these issues time and time again. And the fact is that individuals with mental illness are vastly overrepresented in every corner of the criminal justice system. And until we reform the public policies that have literally abandoned them there, these tragic outcomes will continue. You know, statistically speaking, people with untreated mental illness are 16 times more likely to be killed during a police encounter than others. You know, quite frankly, I believe this is just one of the many examples demonstrating yet again that we need to not only defund the police,

but allocate that money to training professionals that solely deal with these type of situations. Having a mental health breakdown, having a mental health crisis should not be an automatic death sentence. You know, and if we can't do that, we need to at least reduce the number of encounters between on-duty law enforcement and individuals with the most severe psychiatric diseases. You know, the thing, Michael, we talk about this all the time. Here we are in Houston and we're at the Pamela Turner rally yesterday. Black woman, Baytown, Texas, two years ago, shot and killed five times by a cop, having a mental breakdown. And at some point, mayors, county officials, state leaders, congressional leaders are going to have to come to grips with the problem of a mental illness and law enforcement that is too combustible.

There are too many people who are ending up dead who are having mental breakdowns. I still think about Kojima Powell, the brother who was killed two weeks after Michael Brown. Same thing. It was 16 seconds from the moment the cops showed up and shots were fired and he was dead. Yeah, you know, Roland, we see this time and time again. And, you know, I definitely agree in many of these. It was approximately 18,500 police departments across the country. And in many of these police departments, you're going to have to reduce the responsibilities and reallocate resources.

And mental health is one of the areas that resources need to go into, mental health, education, different things like this that will overall reduce poverty, but also reduce crime. But in reviewing this case here, number one, Jamal Sutherland was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia in his teens. So he was receiving treatment. But the pathologist says that the cause of death or the manner of death was undetermined. I kind of find that strange. How did he actually die?

In reading this, the pathologist said the manner of death was undetermined. I kind of find that strange. How did he actually die? In reading this, the pathologist said the manner of death was undetermined. And then also, I watched the entire video and the presentation from Mayor Summey. Did the officers involved in arresting Jamal, did the officers have any mental health training? Because he's having a mental breakdown. And did they have any, I'm trying to find out, did they have any mental health training as well? So, you know, this is a troubling case for a number of different reasons. It certainly is. And it is beyond sad. We're going to be watching to see what happens this weekend. If you're going to see protests there again, folks in Charleston are concerned.

Look, folks, they always want the positive attention of a PGA tournament next week, but the bottom line is this is a young man who's dead. They've got to pay out $10 million. And, folks, let me remind you, remember, we're talking about North Charleston. This is the same place where Michael Slager shot and killed Walter Scott. Slager's now sitting in prison. And so another just shameful, shameful story that we have to cover. Let's go to San Diego with the San Diego Police Department, folks.

They launched an internal investigation after video was shown of two officers repeatedly punching a black man during an arrest this week. Stop! Hey, stop resisting! Put your hands behind your back! Put your hands behind your back! The I'm going to be watching. I'm coming. Here! I'm going to be keeping it. I'm going to be holding it. I'm resisting! I'm not resisting. I'm not resisting! Now, according to the department, folks,

this all began when the officers saw this man urinating in public. They detained him when he did not respond to them and booked him on jail on charges of resisting arrest and battery of a police officer. I mean, again, Brittany, this is the thing that every time we do one of these stories, the first thing you say is, how did it all start? Okay, so you saw a guy urinating in public or misdemeanor charge or you pull somebody over for a traffic light. I mean, this is what people are talking about, how you have to have police who de-escalate and not escalate.

Roland, you hit the nail on the head. I'm thinking about how this started for urinating. Urinating. They didn't try to de-escalate the situation whatsoever. And that man didn't go out looking for a problem with them or looking to harm those officers. Yet he ended up brutalized and then in prison. Now, Roland, I went to Temple University for undergrad, and folks loved to party there. There used to be white frat parties every

night, and those same frat bros would go right outside on Broad Street and urinate for everyone to see, oftentimes underage with their beers still in hand. And you and I both know that this would not have happened to one of them. So what's exhausting is that this isn't about urinating in public. It's about a constant criminalization of the homeless. And at the end of the day, the homeless are a part of our community too. So the police, if they're truly to be protecting and serving, should be protecting and serving the homeless as well because they're a part of our community.

And I just feel like, can you imagine what our world would be like if the police just helped this man instead of actually harming him? Michael, again, this is the thing that what people are demanding, they're demanding real accountability. And you've got to have cops who know, again, not to escalate, who understand that. And there are examples of it. But the problem is there's too many tough guys who are walking around with badness and guns

who don't like it when someone questions their authority. And then they know, oh, I could beat the hell out of them and I'm going to get commended. Yeah, especially when it's someone who appears to be homeless as well. When it appears to be somebody who's marginalized, has less resources, you feel that they have less recourse to retaliate against you. They don't know the mayor. They don't play golf with the police chief. Things like this, right?

You have things like this to take place. But for it to start from urinating in public and then the one the officers questioned him, he would not stop. Therefore, when the officers held him to detain him, it's just to escalate to something like this. I'm like, how many white people do you all stop because they're urinating in public? Okay? I know if they have the country music festival or the hold down or things like this, like we have here in Detroit, I know you have white people urinating in public. I've seen them do it here in Detroit. So, you know, once again,

this is the example why some people don't need to be police as well. You know, something like this is ridiculous to escalate from urinating in public. You know, this doesn't make any sense. I concur with everyone. This behavior was absolutely criminal, what they did to this homeless man. And it just speaks to why so many of us around this country want to reform

policing. I mean, it needs to go from an area of policing to public safety. And was he doing anything that was going to stop the public from being safe? No, he needed to use the restroom. And he's homeless. And many homeless people also deal with mental illness, which all these things are tied together. I mean, this is just absolutely ridiculous, and this is why we're sick and tired of being sick and tired, and we need to have real conversations in our state legislatures, in our municipal governments

about how we deal with policing and make them do the right thing and stop just every week going through this over and over. It's a cycle, and it's you know what? It's overrated. It's too much, and it's enough. We got to stop. They need to go to jail.

Folks, let's talk about this story here that I don't know how this is going to go well, but it may cause some problems. The Georgia Supreme Court, they have ruled that if police perform an unlawful arrest, the person being arrested can essentially fight back. The ruling stems from an Athens man named Christopher Glenn,

who was unlawfully arrested in 2018. Police arrested him while he was walking home because they received a call someone was loitering. Glenn wasn't. When officers attempted to arrest him, Glenn headbutted one of the officers and got on top of another. His case went all the way to the Georgia Supreme Court where, based on English laws from the 1700s, the judges ruled that Glenn was within his rights to fight back because he was unlawfully detained.

The ruling could have a significant impact on how unlawful arrest cases are defended in Georgia. I'm not necessarily, Brittany, going to recommend black folks try this one. I don't know if Christopher's white or black, but I'm just saying, you know, first of all, determining what's unlawful, what isn't. I'm just saying I'm going to be a little careful with this one if I'm black in Georgia. Exactly. You know, Roland, that was my first thought.

I'm like, who's Glenn? Is Glenn white or black? Because, you know, the situation just wouldn't go down like that with us. I love the idea of us being able to exercise our constitutional rights and legally resist if we're allowed to. However, Lord knows we watch, first off, we watch white folks resist every day, whether it's law or not. But we know with us black folks, unfortunately, we lose our lives on a regular basis when we're complying. So I'm certainly not going to tell us to go out here and start resisting arrest because we know we're being illegally detained. I wish, I wish we could do what the law said we should be able to do, but we know that's

not how it works with us. Well, and I want to say this here, Dee. Look, I know Georgia Supreme Court made this ruling, but you got to start first with who the hell decides what's unlawful or not. Exactly. And since I live in Georgia, I can assure you, if they try to arrest me, I'm going to go to jail and deal with it

on the back end because they would kill my black behind. So I just need everybody not to pay that any attention. And now that it is being out in the public, I can assure you the Georgia General Assembly is going to go back in and rescind that law because they've not won black people trying to resist

being arrested. Watch what happens. Yeah, Michael. I'm just saying, I'm going to warn everybody black. Brothers and sisters in Georgia, y'all might want to know the Supreme Court ruling. I don't think this one applies to us. Brother, it's, you know. I'm not trying

to do another story of somebody black who was killed. I need to brush up on my law in England in the 1700s. But, uh... And reading this, Roland, not only does it say that in this case here, not only did the Supreme Court rule that Glenn was within his rights to resist the unlawful arrest, but they also ruled that he could within his rights to resist the unlawful arrest, but they also ruled

that he could also damage government property while doing so. Black people, don't try this at home. I'm telling you right now. And the other gray area is, okay, how do you determine what an unlawful arrest is? Because certain things that we see and we say this is unlawful, but when you get to court, it may not be unlawful.

At the very least, we need more clarification on this. I want to know the ethnicity, the race of Glenn, because I think he's white. I don't think this was meant for us.

Keep in mind, just keep in mind, Georgia is the state that has the largest Confederate monument in this country. It's called Stone Mountain. OK, I don't think this is meant for us. Like I say, I'm trying to check right now to see, but I don't think Christopher Glenn is a brother. So so we'll see. Let me talk about this case out of Mississippi. If y'all want to understand why Mississippi is so backwards, this explains it. A court of appeals in Mississippi has ruled that a 38-year-old black man must remain in prison to serve his life sentence for marijuana possession. This week, Alan Russell argued on appeal that the length of his sentence

constitutes cruel and unusual punishment. He was sentenced to life in prison in 2019 after a jury convicted him of possessing more than 30 grams of marijuana. Since Russell pleaded guilty to burglary in 2004 and has a possession of a firearm charge, he's considered a violent, habitual offender in Mississippi. And under Mississippi law, a person convicted of two separate felonies, at least one of which is violent, and who serves at least one year in prison for each of those

felony convictions shall be sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility for probation or parole. This was a deed, this was a similar thing that happened in Louisiana where they had that same law. And the ruling was made there as well. And this is one of those things.

This goes back to Jim Crow days. Mississippi and Louisiana having these type of laws that were specifically targeting black people. And if Mississippi wants to understand why they broke as hell and why businesses don't want to move there, it's silly laws like this here that you will spend that much money to why they broke as hell and why businesses don't want to move there. It's silly laws like this here that you will spend that much money to imprison a 38-year-old man for life for marijuana possession. I mean, it's absolutely ridiculous.

I mean, especially, let's just look at the whole totality of everything. Marijuana is going to be legalized in this country. So you already have this man serving time for, what is it? A bad robbery, which was not a deadly

violent law, correct? Because I'm reading right. And then now, because he had marijuana, I mean, really? I'm telling you, this whole system in this country needs to be reformed because many people, if you go to their house, they might be having about 30 grams of marijuana, depending on where you are, growing in the backyard right now. Because once hemp became legal, now people are doing THC. And I think this is crazy. And it's targeted towards black people because we all know that cocaine never had this type of attention.

And had he used any other type of drugs, he probably would need to be in jail because any drugs that white people typically use have not been criminalized to that extent. Only black people. Well, and the thing here, Brittany, if you

are Mississippi, what y'all should be doing, y'all should be doing, y'all should be trying to sit here and get in the marijuana business because the state's broke. They get more federal money than any other state in the country. They need to be trying to get in on the billions in the marijuana business. Absolutely, Roland. Mississippi is ass backwards. I mean,

when we think about this, I feel awful for this gentleman because, quite frankly, it is cruel and unusual punishment. And we know this law isn't about fairness. It's about power. And, you know, marijuana is going to be made legal for everyone nationally.

We have 16 states that have legalized recreational marijuana, and we have 36 states that have legalized it for medical use. We have dispensaries that are running like Apple stores, and we have white women on a daily basis talking about how they smoke their weed in order to help with their parenting duties at home regularly. So the simple fact that this man is looking at a life sentence over some marijuana charge and a burglary charge

that he's already done time for is absolutely ridiculous and unfair and i hope mississippi gets it back together well michael bottom line is is here uh mississippi uh is a is a jim crow state they just took the confederate flag off off of the their state flag uh look there are a lot of folks i love in mississippi i got lots of fans there, but it's a damn shame what continues to happen in that state. Well, you know, Roland, this also deals with the importance of state legislatures, because it was the state legislature in 2014 that changed the law in the state that allowed this to happen. See, we're being attacked by the state legislatures. We see this with voting rights and 361 voter restriction bills

in 47 state legislatures. But all different types of bills like this, we see what's going on with critical race theory, which I know we're going to talk about, and different states banning that, even though there's no widespread effort to institute critical race theory teaching in schools, et cetera.

But this is crazy, man. And we have to understand, you know, Mississippi, this is the state that had the largest number of lynchings from 1882 to 1968. There's something like 581 lynchings in Mississippi. So, once again, this deals with the really the importance of understanding the state legislature and putting the right people in the state legislature to change these laws like this as well. But if marijuana becomes legal in the state, the state of Mississippi, man, this brother should be released from prison also. Yeah, but here's the deal, though. This is also Mississippi has the largest number of black elected officials in the country, the largest percentage of African Americans in the country. And it is it is an oppressive state for African Americans. Folks, let's talk about oppressive. The Republican Party, they continue to try to deny women of color when

it comes to serving the Department of Justice. Kristen Clark, who was being nominated by President Joe Biden to run the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice, did not get any Republican votes in the Senate Judiciary Committee. It went 11 to 11. It now goes on to the full floor. Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democrats and the majority leader, said is going to be advancing her nomination if confirmed she would be the first black woman ever to be confirmed for the position.

No word on whether or not Senator Joe Manchin is going to vote for her, if any Republicans are going to vote for her as well. And so Republicans continue to criticize her for her record. They also claim her editorial in Newsweek, I prosecuted police killings, defund the police, but be strategic, advocated abolishing the police. In fact, she's actually talked about reforming the police and said the magazine selected the headline, not her.

And so we'll be watching to see if Senator Chuck Schumer sends her nomination to the full floor for them to vote. Now, the thing that we've been watching also, folks, are these Republicans who want to completely act like January 6th never happened. The House, excuse me, the Republicans and the Democrats have agreed to create a special committee similar to the 9-11 committee that will investigate what took place on January 6th. But here's the problem with that. The problem is there's going to be a Democratic chair, Republican vice chair. They have to agree on issuing subpoenas. Well, hell, the Republicans don't agree. We know exactly what the problems are going to be.

We know what took place. Republicans led an insurrection on the U.S. Capitol because they did not want President Joe Biden to be confirmed as president of the United States. If y'all want to see how stuck on stupid these people are, listen to Andrew Clyde, this idiot from D state of Georgia. Y'all, he actually said this during the congressional hearing. So we're going to play this for you, folks. So we're going to play this for you, folks. So we're going to play it for you of what he had to say where he acted as if the insurrection was a walk in the park and folks were just chilling and relaxing and everything was wonderful. And so let me know when y'all have the video.

D, I'll go to you before we play the clip from Andrew Clyde. I mean, look, does Georgia have a corner on crazy members? You got this dude, Andrew Clyde. You got Marjorie Taylor Greene. I mean, it has to be a consistent embarrassment for folks in Georgia to have these idiots in Congress. I am like my grandmother used to say. I'm so ashamed.

Sometimes I just hate to tell people I'm from Georgia. Between suppressing voting rights and people trying to be revisionists of history until March 13th and then K-9. I don't even know what to do with all these wiped out people that are in Georgia. It's really quite

embarrassing and this is why we have to change all of the leadership from the top to the bottom. Congressional and every constitutional officer in Georgia needs to go because they're all white, crazy, behind Republicans, and this is what you get every single time that they are at the forefront because everyone can clearly see. So they're basically saying what your lying eyes have shown you.

Oh, no, it was just a tourist visit. Oh, no, I don't know what y'all saw. They were just coming by to check out their nation's capital. L's capital lies, all lies and the lies, lies from Taylor. Again, I mean, look, we've been sitting here listening to these crazies and they are indeed crazy. It makes no sense to me whatsoever to listen to how fanatical and silly these folks are. And like I say, this guy, Andrew Clyde, I mean, you're talking about just shaking a head. And so we got the clip. Let's play it. It's called the Capitol insurrection. Let's be honest with the American people. It was not an insurrection,

and we cannot call it that and be truthful. The Cambridge English Dictionary defines an insurrection as, and I quote, "'An organized attempt by a group of people "'to defeat their government "'and take control of their country, usually by violence.'" And then from the Century Dictionary, "'The act of rising against civil authority

"'or governmental restraint, "'ints, specifically the armed resistance of a number of persons to the power of the state. As one of the members who stayed in the Capitol and on the House floor, who, with other Republican colleagues, helped barricade the door until almost 3 p.m. that day from the mob who tried to enter, I can tell you the house floor was never breached and it was not an insurrection. This is the truth. There was an undisciplined mob. There were some rioters and some who committed acts of vandalism. But let me be clear, there was no insurrection and to call it an insurrection, in my opinion, is a bold-faced lie. Watching the TV footage of those who entered the Capitol and walked through Statuary Hall showed people in an orderly fashion staying between the stanchions and ropes, taking videos and pictures. You know, if you didn't know the TV footage was a video from January the 6th,

you would actually think it was a normal tourist visit. There were no firearms confiscated from anyone who breached the Capitol. Also, the only shot fired on January the 6th was from a Capitol police officer who killed an unarmed protester, Ashley Babbitt, in what will probably be, eventually, be determined to be a needless display of lethal force. Camera up. This hearing is called the Capitol.

Here's how Democrats respond to that fool. Congressman Jim McGovern of Massachusetts says I was there that day, Representative Clyde presiding over the House chamber while we were being evacuated. I saw people punching the glass doors with bare fists to get in, desecrating America's capital to obstruct Congress. Calling it a normal tourist visit is sickening. Shame on you. Congressman Don Beyer from Virginia, a normal tourist visit. Police officers who responded on January 6th were stabbed, gouged, beaten, suffered broken ribs. Y'all should be pulling these tweets up.

And there are no longer, and three are no longer with us. Republican leaders defend this kind of lying while they punish those few with the courage to tell the truth. It's despicable. Congressman Catherine Clark, Republicans aren't just trying to rewrite history. They're telling you not to believe your eyes or trust what you saw. Look at the videos. Listen to the staff and officers. Read the death certificates.

The insurrection was anything but normal, and it won't be erased. Folks, how crazy this is, Clyde was attending an event honoring police officers and was asked to clarify his statements about what he says didn't happen on January 6th. He said this. Okay, I don't know. We should have the sound bite there. Brittany, these folks are liars. I keep saying, if they're going to lie about this here, any Republican who lies about January 6th should be defeated next year in 2022.

You cannot trust any of these people in leadership. They need to be defeated. On a state level, federal level, they all should be voted out of office. Roland, we have to get them out because I don't know what in the cognitive dissonance is going on, but we all know what we saw. The insurrection on January 6th

was on the front page of every newspaper worldwide because it was not just some normal tourist visit. That's not what makes international headlines. This was crazy. There was nooses. People were injured. Someone did die. Several folks have been indicted on serious federal charges. I mean, but you know what? I'm actually not surprised by Representative Clyburn's remarks, knowing that he was one of the 126 Republican members to contest the election results. That's his game. He also was one of the 12 Republicans in the House who voted against H.R. 1085 to award those congressional gold medals to the United States Capitol police who protected the U.S. Capitol when it happened.

So, I mean, he's got to stick to what he knows, or what he's pretending to know anyway. Look, it makes no sense to me, Michael. But again, these people, you cannot trust any of them in leadership. And for the folks who say voting doesn't matter, we got to vote every single one of these idiots out because they are acting as if what happened on January 6th was no big deal. And if that's the case, they're going to they're going to they absolutely they take control of the House by 2024. They will try to steal the election. That will happen. Absolutely. Absolutely, if they take control of the House by 2024, they will try to steal the election. That will happen.

Absolutely, brother. You know, white supremacy is a powerful drug, Roland. You're dealing with the white nationalist party. This is exactly who they are. All the hoods have come up. This is the white nationalist party. And there were approximately 140 police officers that were injured that day, January 6th,

the day of the insurrection. So for Representative Andrew Clyde of Georgia, once again, Georgia has the largest Confederate monument in this country, okay? For him to say that if you didn't know it was from January 6th, you'd think it was a normal tourist video. I would call it a terrorist video.

You're close. It's not a tourist video. It looked like a terrorist video, okay? And so this is another example why elections have consequences, and all these traitors have to be voted out of office. Because if you look at the policies that they're advocating for, they're detrimental to African Americans and many non-white people. Okay? They're detrimental to us. You just look at about 30 of them trying to get two bills passed

in the House of Representatives to target critical race theory and things like the 1619 Project. They unveiled that on Wednesday. Now, they're going to be defeated in the House, luckily, because Democrats are in control. But what happens if Republicans win in the House in the 2022 midterm election? So, yeah, brother, we're dealing with we're dealing with the crazies.

This is the QAnon white nationalist party. We're dealing with the crazies. And that's and that's why folks absolutely have to vote. Panel, I certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much for joining us today. DeeDee, Brittany, and Michael, thank you so very much. Folks, got to go to commercial break. When we come back, we're going to be chatting with this man right here. He is the mayor of the city of Houston. He is going to be joining us next.

We'll also be talking with a mayoral candidate out of New York City, R. Chang. He'll be joining us as well. We are broadcasting live from Houston, Texas, here at the Turkey Leg Hut. It is jam-packed, as always. And so, this is Roland Martin Unfiltered. Always glad to be back home in H-Town, and we'll bring it to you folks.

We'll be back in a moment. Thank you. President Trump won this election. Do you think the election was stolen? Absolutely. At this point, we do not know who has prevailed in the election. This fraud was systemic, and I dare say it was effective. This is a contested election. President Trump won by a landslide. I'll pull them this way. The outcome of our presidential election was seized from the hands of voters. We have to make sure that they look into what has been the theft of this presidential election.

Stop the speech! Stop the speech! Joe Biden lost and President Trump won. Whatever happens to President Trump, he is still the elected president. I would love to see this election overturned. No one believes that this guy got 80 million votes. It doesn't feel right. It doesn't look right. No ragtime group of liberal activists will be allowed to steal this election. The president wasn't defeated by huge numbers.

In fact, he may not have been defeated at all. Over the next 10 days, we get to see the ballots that are fraudulent. And if we're wrong, we will be made fools of. Black women are fierce, brilliant, courageous, dope. Black women are making a difference, making history, and changing the world. I think about all of the black women who have showed up to fight for justice. We are starting to finally accept all the skills and talents

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007 007 Hi, y'all. Oh, y'all. We're here at the Turkey Leg Hut, and so we were, um, we're back live. We were taking a photo here. First, you know, so my brother Reg Hi, y'all. We're here at the Turkey Leg Hut. And so we were back live. We were taking a photo here. First, you know, so my brother Reginald stepped over here. So we were taking a picture with the mayor. He's an alpha.

Then of course, then Paul, we got Pastor Cosby. So, you know, it's alphas all over the joint. So we just want to let y'all know how we roll. For the rest of y'all out there who couldn't get in, that ain't our problem. That ain't our problem. So I want to let that ain't our problem. That ain't our problem. So I wanted to let y'all know that. That ain't our problem, but it's all good. And so, okay, y'all got to go now.

I got to give you the mail. Yeah, y'all got to go now. Yeah, y'all got on. Y'all got on, huh? Girl, you better go on over there with that MeFightMe stuff. It's an alpha thing. Go on over there with that stuff. Y'all, we are here in my hometown of Houston.

We're joined right now in my hometown of Houston. We're joined right now by the mayor of Houston in his second term, Sylvester Turner. Doc, how you doing? Hey, man, life is good. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Glad to see you here. Hey, man, welcome back to your hometown. It's always good to be back home in the tray in Third Ward.

We're here. And so we were trying to get you on Wednesday. And then when Mary, Mary said, hey, y'all going to be here doing COVID vaccine shots. I said, well, let's go ahead and do the show here. Look, we brought the mobile unit to where the traffic is. And instead of the big setups where you have a lot of staff there waiting for people to come. We decided to come to the Turkey Leg Hut where there's plenty of traffic, make it real accessible to people. People are getting vaccinated. You bring it to them to where they are.

And then, quite frankly, their peers help to encourage people to get vaccinated. Well, see, this is what this is about. Trip you out. So my company, we've actually put in proposals with several states. Texas was one of them. Maryland. We were trying to tell HHS. We were trying to tell others as well, this is how to do it. And, you know, they kept sitting here. They kept sitting here, you know, doing what they normally did. And we were like, folks, I'm trying to tell y'all.

It works. I said, we can do, like, this literal setup, we should explain to them. We can do live broadcasts from places. Right. Do COVID shots. All sorts of different stuff along those lines. And they were so hard-headed. And then when I hit that wall a few weeks ago, I sent an e-mail to HHS saying, look, we tried to tell y'all. It works.

You go to where the people are. Right. So we go into the restaurants. Man, I'm going to the clubs and the bars with my mobile units. You know, you go to where the people are, and people are getting vaccinated. Right. You know, and then the owner is graciously giving a discount on their meals and stuff. So you just, and we're talking about young folk, you know, brothers and sisters who are saying,

okay, you're here, we're going to get vaccinated, we'll wait the 15 minutes, and then we'll get right back into the line and get our food. You know, and the thing is, look, there are a lot of people. And the point that I've been saying to folks is that early on it was like, oh, black people don't want to take it. No, it's the white Republicans don't want to take it. Black folks, the problem was they didn't know how to access it. Absolutely. My CFO in Chicago, she said she went to a Walmart on a deep, deep south

side of Chicago. She said it was 200 folks in line, 10 black people. She said, now these white folks, they never had this Walmart. She was like, so, but again, how the system was set up, and this is where, again, for the folks who are in power, listen to people who know how to reach people. Who've been out on the streets, on the grounds, you know, on the front lines. You know, look, you're being here, you're attracting folk, folk already here. And people say, hey, this is cool. You know, y'all coming out, y'all coming to where we are. We like that.

We like that. And then people, they literally, they will stop, get the vaccine, be vaccinated. That's right. And go on right about their business. That's right. They're safer. We're safer. And then they're going spreading the word.

Hey, they're at the turkey leg hut. Go on down and get a turkey leg and get the shot at the same time. And they're putting a discount on the meal. You can't beat that. You can't beat it, man. You can't beat that. You can't beat it, man. Let's talk about your second term. And this restaurant is a perfect example. First off, this entire corridor here.

I'm born and raised here. And I remember where that was nothing down here on Alameda. But before I was born, Alameda was the drag strip for African Americans. And so now all of a sudden you see this resurgence. But this is a black owned establishment. And you're seeing other black owned places as well. And that's important because this was land that frankly, my folks did not want to come near, didn't want to live anywhere. And so it's important that we stay where we are, but also become business owners and investing in the area and cities partnered to keep these black

entrepreneurs to build the capacity. And you see what's happening. You know, this this restaurant has attracted a lot of activity. The overflow is benefiting other businesses and now other black owned businesses that were here, they are starting to thrive even more. And then other entrepreneurs are coming into the area. And now the Almeda corridor is now dynamic, is alive and well. And basically what we're trying to do now is provide more parking, okay, or encouraging people to take advantage of the Ubers and the Livs and all of that.

But this is a dynamic corridor. Six years ago, Roland, as you know, you come down and meet them. Yeah, actually about five or six years ago, there was a sports bar that's a little bit further down here. And it was one of the few places. I came back from my high school. We came back, and I came down, And it was one of the few places. I came back from my high school. We came back, and I came down, and it was one of the few places. That was open. It was pretty much by itself.

And so then coming back home each time, it's kind of like, wow, this spot, this spot. And now when I come home and back after that, we were driving around last night, I was like, where'd that come from? Where'd that come from? And, again, it's about creating opportunities because the thing is it's here. And Houston is a city that a lot of people slept up. Everybody talks about Atlanta.

And I remember years ago Black Enterprise did a cover story on Houston. And there were only 700,000-plus African-Americans, TSU, Pra Prairie View 50 miles down the road and so black folks grow up here go to college here stay home here now you have multi generations building the city and I'm glad you brought that up because you know I just want the rest of the world to know in the business community know they have more black folk right here in the city of Houston than in Atlanta okay and in many many ways as one person told me, Houston is the new Atlanta, you know, especially in the southwest. You know, I love Atlanta. Beautiful place. Mayor Keisha Bottoms has done a wonderful job there and I love our respected dearly.

But I also want to know that one people to know that when it comes to investing, you need to come and take a look at the city of Houston. It's the most diverse city in the United States, and things are happening, positive things are happening in this city. And not just on Almeda, but we're trying to replicate this model in other parts of the city as well, on the north side, on the northeast area. You know, there used to be on Jensen. Jensen, one point in time, in northeast, was thriving. We're working to bring that back. The same thing with West Montgomery and Little York on the northwest side in Acres Home, my part of town, so to speak. We're working

to bring it back. And so, you know, want people to sometimes corporate America, they get fixated on either one person or one city, and they assume that's where everybody is. But look, there are opportunities all over the country. And that's one of the messages that I'm trying to carry forward as now the president of African American Merit Association. Look at the different cities around the country and invest in these cities, large and small, and you'll see what can the potential that can flow from it let's talk about that we talked about uh the black mayor's association uh that was there was a name change it was a reorganization that was a shift

and the thing that there's so much attention that's on Congress, President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris. But what people don't understand, the ability of mayors and city councils to directly control dollars, to be able to create the economic opportunities, to transform neighborhoods and cities, that's really where the power is. We're the engines. We're the engines of the state. We're the engine of the country. And mayors are front and center. We're on the front is. We're the engines. We're the engines of the state. We're the engine of the country. And mayors are front and center. We're on the front line. When it comes to minority women business opportunities, we are the ones that are dispersing those dollars. We are the ones that are helping to create entrepreneurs and expand their capacity, giving them the opportunities. When the

monies are flowing directly, let's say, from the federal level directly to the cities, we are making sure that they get that last mile of the way. And oftentimes when the Fed, and I've said this to Congresspersons, when you send money to the state and then you expect it to come down, all the time it doesn't come down. Especially, let's just go ahead and say it. Like the state of Texas. And you serve in the Texas legislature.

The reality is where you have these states, where you have Republicans who are controlling these states, and look, the money is not coming to the city. It's not getting here. And, in fact, we see what's happening where in Austin, and the same thing happened in Georgia, where they pass a bill, first of all, which kills me. They love talking about local control and the same thing happened in Georgia where they passed a bill, first of all, which kills me, they love talking about local control and the small government,

but they want to pass a bill telling you how to spend your money when it comes to the police department. I'm sorry. That's crazy. I thought they believed in local control. Only when they are in control, okay? It's local only when they are in control. When they lose control, it's no longer local control.

It's the state trying to preempt local control. And I'll say it, they're targeting also black-run cities. And that is true. And I'll say it as well, because those are the realities. And you really have to speak truth to the situation. So I'm not trying to color code anything or be nuanced. In many of the cities, in many of the cities that are being run by people of color, now people at the state level are doing everything they can to preempt,

to control the flow of the dollars, to run your departments, run your police department, run my public works department, taking over our assets and then trying to direct those dollars back up to the state level and trying to bankrupt. And then they take the position where you see what's happening. They don't know how to run their cities. Well, right. If you are controlling the flow of the dollars and trying to preempt and take over our ability to run our cities, then what do you expect to do? In fact, the Republicans in Georgia, they have been trying,

they have been wanting to take over the control of the airport for a long time because the white folks in Georgia are still mad at Maynard Jackson for what he did because using that airport became the economic engine that created economic opportunities for black folks, and they still are trying. And that's where I keep arguing, and I got people out there that I was talking about, man, you keep talking about voting. I'm sitting here saying you can't talk about change our community, change our neighborhood, let's have economic development, let's redevelop,

if you don't control the policy. And that is very true. It ain't going to happen. It's a non-secular. And Maynard Jackson is one of my role models, somebody who said, look, until you integrate the dollars, these planes are not moving off of this. It's not going to happen.

He said tumbleweeds will be rolling down the runways. And then the change came about. And so mayors today are still looking at how Maynard Jackson ran Atlanta and the change that came about. And now, you know, it's happening on our watch, and we have the responsibility to do the same thing, and that is to make sure that the dollars that are flowing through our city are done so where it's fully integrated, where the diversity of our cities is reflected through the economic interest that's taking place in our city. Last question for you, and that is this year. There is, you're dealing with voter

suppression in this state, the whole battle, and there's somebody who's watching, they're like, okay, man, I hear all of that. Look into that camera there and talk to that brother or sister to explain to them why every time they vote in that school board, city council, county commission, state reps, state race matters, but also why you need to see them coming down to City Hall after the election. Well, let me tell you, elections matter and who you elect matters. If you're concerned about the murder of George Floyd and you don't want that repeated, just understand that the policymakers, the people who bring about the reforms, got there from the ballot

box. And if you don't elect the right people there, don't expect the right policies to come from that. And if your vote did not matter, why would there be over 360 bills being filed in 47 states to restrict your right to vote, to deny your right to vote, to suppress your vote, to intimidate your vote, if your vote did not matter. What we do, for example, as mayors across the street, directly impact what takes place in your community, in your neighborhood, at your house. And so it's important for you, after you cast your vote to vote in elections, it's also important for you to show up at city halls to lend your support. Look, the voting process is 24-7. It's not just one day or two weeks. It's 24-7,

365 days of the week. And if you want the change, you got to be the change that you want to see. Mayor Sylvester Turner, well spoken. My alpha brother, my Church Without Walls church member. Love you, man. I appreciate it, sir. I look forward to you back home. Look, I want you to stay here. Well, look, I want to come back home. In fact, somebody, one of my colleagues,

she was talking about y'all were trying to do some initiative utilizing tax incentives to do media stuff. And she called me, and she said, Roland, they're trying to do that something. She said, what do you think about it? I said, oh, yeah, to do media stuff. And she called me and she said, Roland, they're trying to do that something. She said, what'd you think about it? I said, oh yeah, I think about it. I said, I said, I said, I'll think about moving New Vision Media home.

We want you to stay. The gold, man, I've got two and a half years to go. And we're going to work all the way to the end. But the point is, is to create opportunities in this city that can benefit not only the people in this city, but quite frankly, even beyond this city. And it's not about being an incrementalist. And I tell anybody, if I wanted to be an incrementalist as the mayor, I may as well go home. You do a little bit and nobody sees a little bit that you do.

This is an opportunity. This is a time where you have to be transformational in your leadership. You do have to be bold in your leadership. And you can't be afraid to speak the truth, no matter who it may offend. All right. Keep swinging, my brother. All right, man. I appreciate it. Thanks so much. Good to see you. All right. Hey, folks, got to go to commercial break. We come back. We're going to talk with Art Chang, who's running for mayor of New York City. We'll also talk about HBCU funding in Tennessee. They've been shorting Tennessee State nearly half a billion dollars.

We'll discuss it. We'll talk with a state rep there. Also, Marcus Cosby, pastor of Willow Avenue Baptist Church, who's doing some amazing things, keeping them in the hood. We're going to talk to him. Also, Cora Coleman, drummer for Beyonce and Prince. I'm going to chat with her as well, as well as a brother who owns the Turkey Leg Hut. Y'all, we've got a jam-packed show for you in the second half of Rolling Martin Unfiltered. I'm here at my hometown.

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All right, folks, they're about to have a news conference with the mayor right here, but I'm going to be asking some questions in some control room. The way we're going to do this whole thing, y'all just simply, when I toss to the guests, just kill my audio. We talked to Mayor Sylvester Turner. Art Chang is trying to become the next mayor of New York City. We've already had a couple of candidates on. He joins us right now.

Art, how you doing? I'm doing great. Thank you so much. By the way, that turkey looks amazing. Oh, first of all, I can only come here one time when I come home because it destroys any meal plan that you are on. And so glad to have you here. Art, first and foremost, it's a huge group of people who are running for mayor of New York City. How do you break through? Well, let's explain what the job of the mayor is. I mean, I think that's a really critical piece here that no one's really talking about. I mean, New York City is one of the most important places

in the entire world. Its economy alone would put it in the top 15 of all countries if New York City were a country. The budget for the city is larger than all but four states. If New York City were a corporation, we'd be in the top 35 by budget, and we'd be in the top 15 by the number of employees. New York City is incredibly important. And so who do you want to actually manage this? Is it someone who actually knows city government? Yes, you do, and that would be me. Or state government, who has actually made change happen in government, but also somebody who can actually work across to the private sector, who has a long track record in the private sector, and working in many areas that are important to the city, like

technology, like education, and like, you know, small business. And I think I'm very uniquely positioned among all those areas. And, but again, now you're dealing with money, you're dealing with name ID, you're dealing with all of those different things that go into it, but also y'all have ranked voting. And so that means that it's not always about getting that first vote, it's getting the other votes as well.

And so what is your strategy to build your way to victory that way? Absolutely. So, you know, my goal is not to be number one and solely number one, but to appeal to a broad group of people who are fed up with the way it has been. You know, we have a few folks who are running who have been career politicians. We have a current mayor who is a great disappointment who has been a career politician. So we see what happens with that. We have a number of really fine people who have spent their entire careers in government.

So we'll see if that works. And then we have a couple people who spent their careers only in the private sector. We'll see if that works. So the city, so there's a chance here not to be the number one person, to be the big man, but to actually be the person who is ranked number two or three across as many RCV ballots as possible. And that's really the path to victory. And I think there's a very clear lane for me. You know, New York undecided New York City voters, depending on the poll, are from 25 to 50 percent of all voters, which say to me that they are dissatisfied with the current choices. Last question for you. Last question for you, Art. Look, you get about six weeks. You get about six weeks. You've got about six weeks. And so how are you going to be

pushing in these six weeks to get to as many sectors as possible? But specifically, what are you going to say to African American voters why you should be their pick? Well, I'm obviously not African American, but the one

thing I am is I have an unusual story. I know, I was born in Jim Crow Atlanta in 1963 at a time when Asian immigration was illegal. I moved to Akron, Ohio to an all-white school district where I felt racism on the street and I grew up in a domestic violence household. You know, I lived with the civil rights movement. You know, the civil rights movement is what enabled Asians to become citizens in this country, to forge a path forward, to watch what happened and to follow in the footsteps of great black people, great black leaders who practiced, you know, peaceful disobedience and protested and found political power and forged a path to make a difference, not just for themselves, but for everybody else. Because we know the civil rights movement didn't just enable Asians to immigrate to the U.S., the civil rights movement also paved the way for women's equality and equality for, and gender equality. You know, it is a basis upon which equality

is formed in this country. In my own experience, I've lived in New York City since 1985. I lived my entire time here in Brooklyn for all but two years. And I am very, very familiar with all the communities that black people live in in the city. And I'm very familiar with hardship. I've been through that hardship with racism and violence. But I've also been through that hardship just in the life that I've had here

in New York. You know, I know the feeling of not being able to pay the rent, of not having enough money for food, of losing everything and having to lift myself up off the ground. And that's what we have to do here over and over again. And I bring a unique set of tools from technology and business and tech and technology with the goal to restore equity for everybody. I'm the only candidate here who has actually started multiple small businesses in the city. And so when I know what the importance of economic growth and the connection to education is, you know, for everybody here in the city. All right. Art Chang, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much for joining us here on Roller Martin Unfiltered. Good luck. Hey, thank you so much for having me. All right, then. Thank you very much, sir. Folks, let's talk about HBCU funding. a committee in Tennessee has determined that there is massive,

massive underfunding of Tennessee State. We're talking right to the tunes of upwards of half a billion dollars. They say that since the beginning, Tennessee State has not been properly funded by the state of Tennessee. This was an amazing, amazing story. And this is what they say. When Tennessee State was funded, it was a land grant institution requiring the state to match the federal money

sent to the school every year. But the state has failed to do so since the 1950s. A legislative committee estimated that Tennessee State has lost anywhere from $150 million to $544 million. That's half a billion dollars. We, of course, just recently had the, out of Maryland, where the state allocated $500 plus million to the four HBCUs. The Mississippi case, which Attorney Alvin Chambliss won, same thing. The funding, that was to more than $200 million. But this shows you what is going on in these states, how black folks have been shortchanged.

Joining us right now is State Representative Harold Love of Nashville, Tennessee. Representative Love, how you doing? Doing well, Brother Martin. Thank you for having me on tonight. Man, what does that say? I mean, and I see this is, here you've had Tennessee State trying to sit here and do the job. Harold competed against the University of Tennessee and others. And here they are never being properly funded.

This is an abomination. Sure. And what I want the viewers understand also is this. Not only did Tennessee State not get that five hundred and forty four million dollars, but every time that the state of Tennessee did not make that match, Tennessee State had to find the funds from reserve funds to make that match, which meant that Tennessee State could not properly maintain its buildings. Tennessee State could not properly provide scholarships for students. Tennessee State could not properly provide salary increases for its faculty. And Tennessee State could not properly put money into its endowment. So it's not just a loss of $544 million from the state,

but also that $544 million came from Tennessee State having to do fundraising and put it out of its reserves to make that match. So what happens now? Will the state fix this problem? Here's the blessing in this. Tennessee State is in my district. I'm a TSU graduate. My father was in the legislature from 1968 to 1994 and started this study in 1970.

And so we really picked up where he left off. And now we have two more meetings of this committee that I'm sharing, which is going to allow us to put together a plan to get this $544 million to increase academic programs, to repair infrastructure that's been damaged, to provide money for scholarships for students, and also to look at increasing faculty pay. And so, Roland, this will really allow us to put together a 10-year plan. And that's why I really like what the state of Maryland did with the legislature, because they gave us a model for how to start this repayment process. Well, I'll tell you, I have been covering these issues for a number of years. In fact,

yesterday, and I will be more than happy to connect you with him. Yesterday at the rally we had for Pamela Turner in Baytown, Texas, Alvin Chambliss, the brother who led that successful lawsuit against the state of Mississippi, was there. And he is one of the foremost experts on HBCU funding. And so we certainly love to connect you because, look, this speaks to the fundamental problems our schools have been facing, which then impacts the education that they receive, but it also impacts the ability to be able to pay HBCU professors fair wages. It impacts tuition.

It impacts all of those things, and so this is a huge, huge deal that this committee in Tennessee has determined. Yes, I would love for you to connect us because, to your point, there are at least 18 other land-grant HBCUs that are probably enduring the same problem where they have not had their state match. They've had to dig into their coffers to make the match for decades and are suffering, to your point, of not being able to pay salaries like they would like to, not being able to provide scholarships like they want to, not being able to properly fund their endowment. And so this is a collective effort, and I hope that our committee's work also becomes a model for other HBCU land grants to use,

but certainly would love that contact with that gentleman so he and I can talk about ways that we can get this done very quickly. Well, sir, I'm absolutely going to make that happen. And so we're certainly glad to have you here. If there's anything that we can do, simply let us know. I know Dr. Glynda Glover well. I was a commencement speaker at Tennessee State a couple of years ago. And in fact, I think the students there have invited me to come back to the campus. And so I look forward to a broadcast of Roland Martin Unfiltered from your district at Tennessee State real soon. Yes, sir. Thank you for this. All right. Thanks a bunch. All right, folks, let's talk about what's happening in Virginia. The Republic. Thank you very much. The Republicans have put forward a black lieutenant governor who is one of the craziest folks you've ever seen. Y'all watch this here.

She recently went off against critical race theory. The problem is I don't think she even knows what the hell it is. Her name is her name. First of all, just for just roll a video. Do y'all have the video? Okay. All right. Sorry, folks. I mean, first of all, here's someone who is just outlandish, who's just crazy.

And she even took a photo, y'all, of her holding a gun, of her holding a gun. My wife sent the photo. Winsome Sears. Yeah, her name is Winsome Sears. And it's just crazy. It's just absolutely crazy. And it makes no sense at all. No sense at all, folks. Let me do this here. I'm going to go to a break right now, folks. The folks at the Turkey Leg Hut brought out this unbelievable. I wantall to understand how they do it here. We are in Texas and how they do things big.

This is their Alfredo sauce turkey leg here. What you will see here, folks, you will see it's one of the most popular dishes. You see they have here, y'all, it with stuffed dirty rice as well in this turkey leg. My Lord have mercy, y'all. This is no joke. But that's how we roll. Y'all know I'm ready to eat some of this. So we're going to go to a break.

We come back. We're going to talk with the owner of Turkey Leg Hut when we come back about this monstrosity here. He's going to explain to me. Matter of fact, you know what? We're not going to take a break. Go ahead, Lynn. Sit down. Go ahead.

Just take a seat. We ain't going to take a break. We're just going to roll through it. That's how we do it. A good senior. Just take a seat right there. First of all, explain to the folks what we're looking at. Love. Looking at a whole lot of love there, man.

A whole lot of love. We can't give you everything. It's a lot of people that are real smart and know how to cook. So this is, all right, so I see shrimp. I got the dirty rice. Asian rice. I got the turkey leg. Alfredo.

Alfredo. Parmesan cheese. Parmesan. Lord have mercy. A whole lot of love. A whole lot of love, baby. Tell everybody about Turkey Leg Hut, your black-owned business here. How did this thing start?

Where did this concept come from? Me and my wife started out at the rodeo. Hey, y'all, give me a plate. Lift that bone up for her. Just grab that bone. the bone, the bone. Back in. I don't want anybody to think I don't know how to eat. Yeah.

But go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. Well, we started out at the rodeo, and we was out there shuttling cars, people back and forth. And it's crazy. I looked on the ground and saw a turkey leg and saw how there was so much meat left on the bone when they came back out. And everybody kept coming out saying they were hungry they were starving etc etc so me and my wife came together and put a few things together and you know here

we go we're here 2015 in six years explain to the folks watching how this thing just has exploded. From here, this is a restaurant, the food trucks, how folks all over the country come to Houston and trying to come here for one of these turkey legs. They do. It's a blessing. You know, we pray. I tell people all the time, I pray five times a day with my eyes open.

You know, people here at 5 in the morning, some people even sleeping in a line. It's crazy. I always say Jehovah's Will and consistency wins every time. When we talk about those lines, folks, y'all need to understand. We are talking about lines. This is not

always Friday night. This is every day. Every day. We see about 25,000 to 30,000 people a week now. 25,000 to 30,000 a week? A week. Wow. Even during COVID.

Wow. Yeah. Now, a lot of folks don't know your story. You shared it before. Share that with the folks who can understand. The real story? Yeah, the real story. For the folk who understand, who say, man, I don't know.

I don't know if I can make stuff happen. I've had issues before. I may have gone to jail. I may have gone into trouble. You know, I tell it all the time. I don't try to hide it. I'm an eight-time fella, man. You know, my wife held it down for me while I was gone. I went to the federal penitentiary for something that came up off my pads

out the blue while we was in the field. It came back and snuck up on me. Like I said, my wife was from Chicago. This is my backyard right here, man, right here where George Floyd was. I live one street over from George Floyd on Isabella. Grew up in the streets, you know, met my wife, and we're here. You know, strong backbone. You know, I always say a strong foundation,

and she laid the foundation while I was in the feds. And I always say the analogy is when I said when she picked me up in the sprinter, if you ever ran track, I said stick. I said I got it. And we're here now. You know, a lot of consistency, a lot of love on a daily. And I always say late night, early mornings, you know. Sometimes I'm here 17 hours a day, literally.

A whole lot of arguments. You know, it comes with the line of work. You know, I'm not going to sit up and lie and say everything's pretty. You know, a whole lot of arguments. You know, it comes with a lot of work. You know, I'm not gonna sit up and lie and say everything's pretty, you know, a whole lot of everything. It comes with it. But this is what you get. And it hasn't been easy core. Do this here. Go ahead. Just walk through. I want you to walk through people are seated. Then walk through also the inside as well. I want them to have a shot of this. Talk about talk about the expansion because, because, look, it started here,

and then all of a sudden growing and growing and growing and growing. The mayor was talking about trying to deal with the parking issue along here. Y'all been having some battles here. Look, even right there, DeAndre Hopkins passing by. You know, play for the Texans. You get all type of people. Swing the camera around right there, DeAndre Hopkins passing by. You know, play for the Texans. You get all type of people. Swing the camera around right there, Anthony. You know, this is third ward.

You know, we bringing it back. You know, you can't get this nowhere else in the world, man. I tell people, we're strong in numbers. You know, we've purchased eight properties around here now. You know, and the first time you came, you came on the initial of the smoke with the mesquite. Right. Now you're back here. You know, we beat that, you came, you came on the initial of the smoke with the mesquite. Right. Now you're back here. You know, we beat that, you know.

But it's love. For the folks who don't know what he's talking about, neighbors were suing them saying it was too much smoke. We had y'all on the show. They were trying to shut y'all down. They were trying to run y'all. They did not like black folks. In a black area. In a black area. This is the trade.

In a black area. This ain't, whatever that little name they have. Yeah, yeah. No, this is third war, y'all. Third war, for real. And I tell people all the time, you know, this is my backyard. I didn't come over here trying to make something out of it by buying a property and all that. Now we've brought, my wife and I have bought property now, but we've come over here just trying to give back to the community.

And I think when you do right, it comes back to you. Is this also inspiring other black entrepreneurs? Most definitely, man. Because, I mean, I'm not going to take nothing from Almeida. But I feel like Almeida was a little slow before we got over here. It was. I'll say it. And we've brought

it back to where I feel like I want to make it the biggest trip of Third Ward, you know? Absolutely. Well, look, it has been amazing. What's next? I know folks been. We have an ice house around the corner. First black-owned ice house.

Ice house? Ice house. We'll have 30 different beers on tap. First black-owned ice house, man. Like I said, in front of D-Bar. Right around the corner. We open about 20, 25 days, man. Now, I know folks have been trying

to get Turkey Lead Hut franchises. I know they've been trying to blow you up. Most definitely. You looking at that? No. We're doing pop-ups now. We did a pop-up in Fort Worth about three weeks ago. Okay. Did awesome. We're going to the Alamo Dome down in San Antonio about another two weeks. We're just doing pop-ups now.

Okay. Alright, my brother. Man, it's always good to see you. It's all love, man. You know, I always got to stop by when I come home. I love to see you. But I can only come here one time when I come home. You need to visit more often. It's your backyard. But I can't eat more than one of these.

It's one per visit. It's like when I come home. One per customer. When I come home, I can go to Whataburger one time, Shipley's one time. And here. And here one time. Otherwise, I'm going home with an extra 10 pounds.

You ain't did nothing wrong. And you dropped a lot of weight. Okay, last one. How you lose all this weight? Working. That's 17 hours? It'll get you stressing. All these customers trying to skip.

Well, I don't want that stress. Yeah, yeah, good stress. Baby, I appreciate it, man. It's love, man. Tell the wife I said what's up. I will. She has a baby on the way. We have a baby boy on the way. That's where she is, yeah, good stress. I appreciate it, man. It's love, man. Tell her why I said what's up. I will. She has a baby on the way. We have a baby boy on the way.

That's what she is. Oh, man, congratulations. We have a baby boy on the way, man. Well, man, good luck with it. You may just keep handling business. I love the success. And I just love what's happening down this court in my hometown. All love.

I appreciate you coming in, man. I appreciate it. Thanks so much. All right, baby. Y'all, I'm going to eat some more of this. I'm going to go to a break real quick. And we're going to come back with Pastor Marcus Cosby right here at Roller Martin Unfiltered from Houston. Back in a moment.

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Hi, I'm Chaley Rose, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. Hi y'all, we're here at Turtle Leg Hut. And then Dr. Brenda Banks is with me. Uh-huh. Give me, yeah, he can sneak. Okay, let's do this here. Come right around here.

Doc, you hold on right a second. We are live on Rollerball and Unfiltered. DeAndre, how you doing, my man? Yeah, how y'all doing? All good. I'm going to have you hold it. You stay right there. I'm going to have you hold it here. All right, all right. Just how we do the show. Stuff just happens. We pop in. Doc, how you doing, my man? Yeah, how y'all doing? All good? I'm going to have you hold it. I'm going to have you hold it here. All right, all right.

This is how we do the show. Stuff just happens. We pop in. Doc, how you doing? I'm doing good. Just, you know, in Houston working out. You know, I enjoy this restaurant right here, man. This is definitely one of my favorite restaurants in Houston.

Now, y'all know I was one of the folks who was, let's just say, I was quite vocal when he got traded. One of the greatest wide receivers in the NFL, period. Ain't even no debate. Don't stop tripping. But you play in Arizona, but you still love H-Town. Oh, yeah. H-Town treated me like, you know,

it treated me like its own since I've been here. I came when I was 20 years old when I came to H-Town. So I was just a little pup. You know, it taught me a lot. You know, welcomed me with open arms, man. I'm from the south. I'm from South Carolina. So, you know, H-Town always felt like home.

And I think that's where I'm residing, man. Well, look, man, we love that. We love what you're doing. And also, not just what you're doing on the field, but you do a whole lot off the field, which is also critically important. And you have no problem, which I love also, speaking to your mind when it comes to social issues. Oh, yeah. You know, my mom, when it comes to social issues. Oh, yeah. You know, my mom, she raised me to, you know, be who I am and own that.

You know, we do a lot in the community, my mom and I. I think, you know, a lot of people don't know that. You know, we don't vocalize it. You know, we believe you do the lowest work, you know, in your own name, you know, in your own time. But, you know, man, you know, vocalizing what position I have, you know, I think it'll help other kids, you know, growing up, watching football 20 years from now, you know, walk into something where they can be themselves and not have to fight against things that we have to fight against.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, man, anything that we can do on Roller Mountain in the future, we'll certainly support what you do. Thank you. Love your work, man. I appreciate it. I'm glad to have you drop in.

You were just driving by and Lynn snatched you out the car. Yeah, man. So I appreciate, man, you stopping by just to see us a little bit. And I'll be sure to make sure he sees you and my information. So, man, hit me anytime you need anything. What's up, love? Thank you. My brother, I appreciate it.

Thanks a bunch. All right. This is how I love the audience. We're going to do this here. See, it's my show, so we can go ahead and take a selfie while we're here. Here we go. There we go. Get on this. Brenda, get on in here.

All right, here we go. I appreciate it, my brother. Thanks so much. You take care. Y'all, of course, we're here. Of course, they got COVID-19 vaccine shots that they're giving here at Turkey Lake Hut. And you heard the CDC announce their changes to come to the mask policy. And so my homegirl, Dr. Brenda Banks, she's an anesthesiologist here in Houston,

she don't play when it comes to masks. She and I, we all have those conversations. And so I had to get your thoughts on this. So the CDC says, even though you've had the shot, you've been vaccinated, unless certain circumstances, don't need to wear the mask. You a doctor, what do you say? I always err on the side of caution. As an anesthesiologist, I always have to think of the worst case scenario. So are you telling me to put my mask on? I'm saying in this, we're outside. You got to weigh everything. We are outside. I'm vaccinated. And then the people around me, I'm fully vaccinated. You got to use some common sense and say, okay, I think I'll be all right right now. I got it. Yeah.

I think you're okay without the mask right now. But in general, we still got to be smart. Think about where we are, who we're around. Right now, you only have, what, 35% of the U.S. population fully vaccinated. So there's people out here walking around who are not fully vaccinated. So I'm going to still keep my mask on. And the problem is you don't know. You don't know. You don't know.

So I'm going to be safe. That on. And the problem is you don't know. You don't know. You don't know. So I'm going to be safe. That's just me. Okay? Gotcha. Okay. So what you're saying is that in a situation like this here, even though we're outside, folks are away, then it's not all crowded or whatever.

And then, again, when the mayor was sitting here, I know that he's vaccinated. I know DeAndre's vaccinated. So you know that. Yes. So in this situation, you're cool. But if we're sitting over there and it's jam-packed in there. I don't know who's vaccinated.

Right. I don't know who's breathing on me. If you're not eating, put that mask on. I say be safe. Why play with your health? Why play with it? It's not worth it. All right.

I appreciate it. Good to see you. Good to see you, too. Thanks a bunch. Y'all, she was not supposed to be on the show. I just said, get on over here, and we're going to say a few words with you. And so, yes, you can go. Yes, you, yes, Doc, you're dismissed.

You can go. All right, I'm going to talk with Pastor Marcus Cosby, y'all. He's my alpha brother. He's also the senior pastor of Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church that's here in Houston, Texas, here in the Third Ward in the Trey. They have always been involved. Pastor Bill Lawson, longtime pastor of the church there, the leader of that church. This is who he passed the legacy on, and he has continued that legacy.

Frack, glad to see you. Hey, man, good to see you. Hold on. I'm going to get your microphone here. It's my bad. Good to see you. Good to be with. I'm going to get your microphone here. It's my bad. Good to see you. Good to be with you. Absolutely.

Glad to have you home. The trade, the third ward, the third ward is changing so much. But unlike a lot of other folks who decided that, you know what, you know, we're going to sit here and leave and take off. Will Avenue said, no, no, we're going to stay right here in third ward, right there at Wheeler and Scott. You haven't moved. In fact, we're going to stay right here in Third Ward, right there at Wheeler and Scott. You haven't moved. In fact, Henry, go to the drone here. I shot this earlier. Folks can see, y'all, they've expanded.

Those of you who come to Houston, y'all know, on that corner right there, that's where the original French's used to be. But Wheeler always owned that land. They moved down the street, building a new facility, and then y'all have expanded. The video is about two minutes, so let it roll. Tell us about what y'all are doing to stay in Third Ward, stay in this community, to keep folks motivated

and also driving the issues here in Houston. Well, thanks for allowing me to come through and share with you, Roland. It's a joy to see you, of course. But Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church, as of next month, the first of June, will be 59 years old. Our church was started on the campus of Texas Southern University. My predecessor, our founding pastor, Pastor Lawson, was working at Texas Southern at the time,

and he decided, based upon some of the information he had received from citizens in this community, that we needed to have a church here. And so he began that church right there in his living room with 13 people. And so for these 59 years, we've been trying to be a community-based congregation that allows people to know that we have the community in our hearts. We want the best for the community. We want to ensure that there is progress and productivity

in the inner city of Houston, Texas. And so we're committed to the inner city, and we're not going to allow anything to shift that. And so even though we're building to expand on what we have become over these last years, we're right here in the hood, and we're going to stay here. Here we go back to the drone shot. Go full screen y'all to the left.

You're seeing right there. That is Texas Southern University. I want y'all to understand what you're seeing to the right there. That's my high school. Yep. Jack Yates High School. Okay. You see the city of downtown. It's only 10 minutes from the campus

and just let it keep going to the right. You will see, you're gonna see it all the the way I'm gonna swing it all the way around the drone you see that's Yates High School then you're about to see the University of Houston and then we're gonna come back to where Wheeler Avenue is so where y'all are seated I mean you're sitting boom Jack Yates right there TSU to your left University of Houston right across the street. And so that gives y'all a powerful opportunity to be able to impact this community education-wise. Absolutely. Absolutely. And we've been committed to all three of those institutions, especially most so to Jack

Gates and Texas Southern, but we have a very good partnership and connection with the University of Houston. It has been that way for these 59 years, and we plan for it to continue to be that way. And let's not forget, CUNY Homes is right down the street as well. And, of course, we know that George Floyd was breed in the CUNY Homes, and our commitment has been to CUNY Homes as well. So we love being in the community. It's a unique, diverse community, and we love that diversity. Our church is likewise a unique and diverse church,

and so we try to maintain that kind of connectivity with those who are around us. And when we talk about gentrification, we talk about how these neighborhoods are changing. Third Ward was changing. And there were folks who weren't black who were moving in. All of a sudden prices were going up. But a lot of black folks here said, no, no, no, no, we're going to maintain this. And we're going to be owning the land. And there are a number of other churches and the folks who made it clear.

I keep saying this. If we know the land's available, why are we complaining about others buying the property when we should be buying the property? Absolutely. Absolutely. My predecessor has been committed to community development for all the years that he has been in Houston, Texas. And so we made sure that we take the land that we have, the land that is available to us, and we do something with it that will profit the community. So we've been trying to do that for these years. And we are ensuring that all the kinds of organizations and community partners that we have will likewise take care of our community.

We need it and we need it to be well taken care of. So speak to some other pastors out there or people who go to churches. And again, I hear all the time, Black Forest, man, you know, we got to own our own. And folks are talking. But when i did the national urban league state of black america they were talking about gentrification i literally said mark i said i'm tired talking about this year i said when we come back next year national urban league should create a multi-million dollar fund to go into our neighborhoods and buy properties and and and that and that to me is how churches should also be leveraging their resources to understand that let's not let become isolated and other folks buying stuff up in our neighborhoods.

We can control the land and everything that where we live. We can control our dollars. And the way life is rolling now, we have enough black entrepreneurs who can use the land for profitable means in our communities. And so it is necessary for us to remember that we have people that we need to be developing, cultivating to use the properties that we have in this community to ensure that our communities thrive. And we can do that. And we must do that if we're going to continue to maintain what is our community. Last question for you. COVID has absolutely changed how churches are now doing business. It's forced a whole lot of folk who are fighting technology to now accept it.

So now with the CDC mask guidelines, with places opening up, how is that changing how y'all do church? Are you letting folks know we can't go back the way it used to be? So what is happening with Willow Avenue and how y'all are progressing now with COVID? People being vaccinated, people all of a sudden opening cities back up. So we, like most churches, have not been together since March of 2020. We've not been able to congregate. We did a special outdoor service for Easter Resurrection Sunday, but we've not been able to congregate in our own property, in our own facility. And so we've had to adjust. We've had to accommodate this new reality. I've been calling it a new abnormal, but it is not our new norm if

we're going to be able to create a new normal that should build on what we've had to and what we've endured and experienced over these last several months this past year so it's interesting that you would say that I said to our church just this weekend listen we got to make sure that we understand there's certain things we can't go back to it's not possible for us to go back to the way we've always been because we've been called from it. And we know we can operate on another level. We can operate in a new experience, a new paradigm. And the trajectory of the church should be moving forward as we utilize all the technology

and all that we've had to learn since March of last year. I've talked to some pastors, and they've had an explosion in membership because folks have been watching and an increase in giving. Absolutely. We've not been, we've not, we can't say we've struggled over this year. We've, we've done very well as a congregation. We've had people join. And the unique thing is we now call them Wheeler wherever. So we have people joining from other States, even from other countries. Wow. And we're just including them in the family. It's a church that is now a technologically savvy church that allows us to appreciate

membership from everywhere. And so tell me about this expansion. I'm going to roll a video again. Tell me about this expansion and what it's going to allow you to do in the community. So many years ago, we recognized that our church was growing. It was growing fairly exponentially and fairly quickly. And so what we decided was we needed to have a space where we could probably accommodate everybody.

We've been doing four services for over 10 years, and we knew that wasn't something we could do. So what you're watching, you're about to see, so what was in the front there is what was built with new. What you're about to see on top, that cross right there, that was the previous worship center. But you also were limited because you have a school as well. Right, right, right. And so our school helps to develop the minds of our children.

We have the Wheeler Avenue Christian Academy, and we want to expand that even more. We want to make sure that we can take children from the cradle to college. And so we've got a lot of things that we're trying to do over these next several years while I'm trying to serve the church. And we want to make sure that we can develop the minds of children and young people as they're becoming what they're supposed to become. So we've got a lot of work to do, and we're going to try to use this property to do that and make sure that whatever people need in our community, they know that they have access to it at Wheeler Avenue. We've always been the community church. We've tried to be at least.

And that's our plan going forward as well. All right, Frat. It's always good to see you, man. Good to see you, man. Keep handling your business. Glad you're here, bud. I certainly appreciate it. Thanks so very much.

It's good to be with you. Absolutely. Tell Pastor Lawson I said what's up. You know I will. All right. Folks, got to go to a real quick break. When we come back, I'm going to talk to the sister. Y'all have heard her.

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Stay woke. Hi, my name is Latoya Luckett. This is the Alfredo, smoked turkey leg Alfredo, dirty rice, parmesan, shrimp. Girl, I'm just trying to say this is good y'all i'm trying to tell y'all i'm i know i'm on i'm just trying to tell y'all uh this is like a sinful good i'm just trying to tell y'all. Okay. So my next guest, as I said, y'all heard her. Mama said, don't talk with the food in your mouth, but I ain't got no choice.

So my next guest, y'all heard her. You might have seen her. She ain't front stage, but if anybody understands music, you can't keep the beat without the drummer. She has played for Prince, played for Beyonce. Queen Cora Coleman joins us.

Hey, how you doing? What's going on? I'm amazing. I'm amazing, you know, in the hometown. Of course, of course. The folks don't realize that. You from the H-Town? I'm in the hometown. Of course, of course. Folks, the folks don't realize that. You from the H-town? I'm from the H.

Cashmere Valedictorian, you know, the near middle school. Y'all see her flexing? Cashmere Valedictorian, you know. I got to represent all the way, Roland. She didn't just say what she went to school. She's like, yeah, Cashmere Valedictorian. She's going to let y'all know that. It's only one.

You know. She's like, we're going to let y'all know that. We're going to let y'all know that. So it's all good? It's only one. You know. I just want to let y'all know that. I just want to let y'all know that. So it's all good? It's all good. Let's talk about, I was just talking to Pastor Cosby. Yeah. COVID.

I mean, COVID has been a beast for musicians because you haven't had concerts. Yeah. So how has your life been the last, you know, 12, 14 months? It's interesting. I am also a businesswoman beyond the drums. So I own a construction company here in Houston and I take shipping containers. I make offices and houses. So in that realm, in that industry, I've been active. Um, I have an orchestra, so it's given me time to do original compositions. And, I mean, I did the Billboard Awards with En Vogue. So I've still been, you know, gigging.

We did the Urban One Honor Awards. So that airs Sunday. So I'm still moving about the cabin. I'm still traveling. I'm not doing international travel as extensively as I normally would. But, I mean, the industry has definitely impacted, but I've been able to stay active, you know. Talk about being, and I said that earlier, I talked about, and people think I'm joking, but I'm not. The reality is, in music, the drummer is the key to the band.

Yeah. James Brown talked about that. Yes, indeed. James Brown had two drummers. Yes. But you know you bad when you got two drummers. Yes. You know, you're like, no, no, I ain't got one.

I got two. Just in case. And so talk about that, you know, your involvement in music and also playing for so many different artists and what all of that means and what it entails. Just speak to that. It's definitely discipline, you know, to understand a genre and understand an artist and embrace what they're hearing and not just, you know, insert myself exclusively

in what I hear. Everybody keeps seeing Prince, but that's her in the right corner. See, again, though, she having the business. Y'all got to understand, I interrupted. When that was going on, when that was going on, y'all, the Super Bowl was going on, and they showed Korn,

just, hair just flopping in the rain and all that sort of stuff. I was sitting there texting, go ahead and get it, Korn, just hair just flopping in the rain and all that sort of stuff. I was sitting there texting, go ahead and get it, Korn. Go ahead and get it. I'm like, she's going to look at it when she gets off stage. Right, right. And what's cool is I actually make Super Bowl history because I did the Super Bowl with Beyonce in 2013. So that's top ten Super Bowl halftime shows.

Yeah. Been able to grace the stage. Different artists, top 10 Super Bowl halftime shows. Been able to grace the stage. Different artists, different music, different way they hear music. So to be able to adjust, you know, I have a classical background, I play jazz. I played with Maceo Parker on two of his albums.

And you know, so it's being able to hear it and adjust and read music, I read music. Well, I gotta ask you, which halftime show was better? Ah, Roland. I'm gonna say, I can't say better, but I'll say Prince. Seven people. Which was more iconic? I'm gonna say Prince. And I'm gonna say because he could choose anybody in the world. And there were seven of us on the stage and I got to be the one of the seven in the world. And there were seven of us on the stage. And I got to be the one of the seven in the world. His first Super Bowl, his largest audience, of course, mine.

So I would say for that reason. Well, I will also say I love the Beyonce halftime show. Prince had the fam, you banned. Yes. It was in the rain. Yes, all of that. Then he dropped Purple Rain. Of course.

I mean, so it was so, it was a whole lot of other stuff. Totally. That was happening. I think that adds to. Totally. The greatness of that. And I say this because, you know, I'm an HBCU alum. I'm a Howard alum.

So, to be on the 50-yard line, and, you know, you dream. You say, man, in college, I want to sign up. Someday my autograph will matter. All of that. So to sit on the 50-yard line, see the band, be a part of that experience, and then say, wow, this is full circle. This is amazing. Now, were you also part of the homecoming with Beyonce? Not homecoming, but I did 13, 2013 Mrsrs. Carter tour all of that So, okay, so so how does it work? Do artists just say yo core? I want you to I want you to play with me Or do they make you try out? Do you got a sin a tape? I mean, how does it work?

so for me, I won the guitarist in a drum off so I Wanted a Jeep in a drum competition, you know. And I have just had a reputation. Prince came to hear me and said, let me give you a drum set, whatever you want. I was playing with Frank McCone in L.A. After that, I played with Prince for five and a half years and then just decided to take a step back and then got a call. Hey, B wants to know if you're interested. That three years band leader.

Of course, I do the Black Girls Rock Awards. I played with Jill and Erica, India, you know, the list. So now it's just reputation. Right. You know? So basically what you're saying is, no, I don't try out. I've never auditioned. I remember Robert Glaser, that happened.

I think Lauryn Hill was supposed to hit him up and ask him. He was like, I'm sorry. Yeah. I don't try out. Right. He was like, I ain't trying to. I don't try out. I've never auditioned.

I play with Pink. I mean, it's just been my reputation that's preceded me. Is there any particular musical genre that is your absolute favorite? Because, again, as a drummer, you just said it. Whether it's R&B, whether it's pop, whether it's jazz, you played with all types of artists. Sure. Well, I mean, what feels good in the soul is the funk.

I can't go wrong with the funk. But I have an orchestra, so I hear classical, and I played mallet, percussion, and timpani, marimba. So there's that, too, which is African-centered, too. Let's talk about the Queen Cora Orchestra. Henry, go to my iPad, please. You're going to be performing here. First of all, Fresno, Texas, that's actually

Suburban Houston, not far at all. You and Shante Moore and some other artists. Now, is this your first post-COVID show? No, I've done some other shows, but this is actually my first international music and art

festival, so I'm producing. I'm putting this whole festival on. Oh, the whole festival? Yeah. Oh, I see. So it's a two and art festival. So I'm producing. I'm putting this whole festival on. Oh, the whole festival? Yeah. Oh, all right. So it's a two-day festival. Okay. Seven pavilions, film, art, music, business. I mean, we're going to have horseback riding, bull riding, all sorts of things.

Family event, community event. And Shante will be here. Moo Moo Fresh will be here. So you're doing around July 3rd and 4th. Yeah. And normally around that time, folksrd and 4th. Yeah. And normally around that time, folks are at Essence. Yes.

And so do you plan to keep it around that date, or do you plan to, let's say when that comes back, let's say shift it to another weekend. I'd shift it to another weekend. Got it. But because Essence isn't happening. Oh, that's what I'm asking. Yeah, go on. Because I'm always at Essence. Listen. But I'm trying to figure out how I can go to both. I need you to come weekend. Got it. But because Essence isn't here. The only reason I'm asking is because I'm always at Essence.

Listen. But I'm trying to figure out how I can go to both. I need you to come through. See, I know. I need you to come through. This is an official invitation to my homeboy, Roland Martin,

to come through the International Royal Music and Art Festival. Okay. So I'll change the date when they come back. Okay, I got you. I got you.

So you're going to have pavilions. You're going to have health. I'm just reading the whole deal here. Yeah, come on. And I do, first of all, I have not ridden a horse in years, and I've been, I got to do that. I love horseback riding. I just haven't had enough time to do it. But what made you want to do this festival?

Because we need it. The industry needs it. We need an outlet. The community needs to safely come out. It's a 32-acre ranch, black-owned ranch. And we need to be able to. We got space. We got space.

And people just want to feel comfortable. Got it. And that's what this is about. People need to feel comfortable. So it's going to be a socially distanced. Absolutely. A whole creation. Okay, cool.

Absolutely, yeah. So when the artists come in, including you, there's a donkey-drawn carriage that'll bring you around to the main stage. You know, and we're going to practice that. We're going to support and respect that so people can feel safe and be healthy and then have a good time. All right. Well, sounds good. Well, I appreciate it.

Absolutely. I'm glad you didn't change your number. I hit up like, Cora, this still you? And then she was like, who this? I'm like, well, damn, I hope this still Cora. So you sent the photo. I was like, ah. Right. I sent the photo. I was kind of like, all well, damn, I hope they're still courting on us. So you send the photo. I was like, ah. Right.

I sent the photo. I was kind of like, all right, damn. All right, this is you. I'm like, you didn't, like, download your numbers right? I got another iPhone. I thought I was going to send her a DM on Twitter, Instagram. I'm like, hey. Right.

You changed your number. Well, I appreciate it. It's hilarious. My pleasure. It's always good to see you. Normally, I'm seeing you backstage. Yeah My pleasure. It's always good to see you. Normally, I'm seeing you backstage. Yeah, yeah. It's always a real quick, hey, so opportunity to sit and chat.

I still appreciate it. Definitely. You're looking good. Thank you. Eclectic. Thank you. We got the earrings. You know.

Gotta represent. And let me tell y'all, she like me, she down with the content. Y'all might be thinking, no, that's not like a pocket square. She got a microphone because she got a photographer over here who's shooting her stuff as well. You know, I'm an archivist. I got you. I'm an archivist. I understand.

I'm all about content. Yeah, I know you are. So, you know, I feel you. The king. Hey, we just do what we do. Hey, y'all, go ahead and take another shot. July 3rd through 4th, again, Queen Cora's, the International Royal Music and Art Festival taking place in Fresno, Texas. For more information, go to www.theroyalfestival.com.

I appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Thank you, Dylan. Peace. All right. Folks, that is it for us. We are here at the Turkey Leg Hut. Man, I am always glad to be home to see my Pete,

my brother, my niece, his wife. They're in there. I got friends in there. I'm about to go finish off this food because this is too good. Anthony, go ahead and take a shot of this. Get this, y'all. Look, the small turkey legs here are just

again, just straight sinful. So y'all come to H-Town. Definitely come on by to see Lynn and Nakia. They're doing a great job here. And, again, folks, we want to thank all of y'all. We want to thank y'all for supporting what we do. We have been here since Wednesday. We were covering the Pamela Turner rally in Baytown, Texas,

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And so our hearts go out to Otto Beatty, a former state rep there in Ohio. I sent my condolences to Congresswoman directly. And so we just want to say our thoughts and prayers with Congresswoman Joyce Beatty, who was the chair of the Congressional Black Caucus. And so certainly condolences go out to her. Folks, we always end the show showing our Bring the Fuck fan club members. That's how we do it. Let me shout out my man Corey, Anthony.

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