#RolandMartinUnfiltered - MAGA Lies Admission, HBCU Funding, Remembering Tito Jackson, Where's Our Money?

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

9.16.2024 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: MAGA Lies Admission, HBCU Funding, Remembering Tito Jackson, Where's Our Money? Republican vice presidential candidate JD Vance admits he lied and does regret spread...ing baseless rumors that Haitian immigrants are stealing and eating pets in Springfield, Ohio.  Those lies led to bomb threats and the cancellation of the city's Culture Fest.   Haitian actress Garcelle Beauvais has a lot to say to the MAGAs who are lying about the  Haitian community. The man arrested for Sunday's alleged assassination attempt was once a Trumper.  President Joe Biden says his administration is investing over $1 billion in HBCUs, bringing its total contributions to the schools to more than $17 billion.  We'll talk to Steven Benjamin, the  Director and Public Engagement and UNCF's Senior Vice President of public Policy and Government Affairs, about how this money will impact HBCUs. Georgia identifies its first preventable death abortion ban-related death.  We'll talk to the senior editor of ProPublica, who broke the story.  Tito Jackson, one of the brothers who made up the pop group the Jackson 5, has died. And I will talk about how companies are still not spending dollars with black-owned media companies.  Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:54 See, there's a difference between Black Star Network and Black-owned media and something like CNN. You can't be Black-owned media and be scape. It's time to be smart. Bring your eyeballs home. You dig? Thank you. Folks, today's Monday, September 16th, 2024. Coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the Black Star Network. Republican Vice President of Canada J.D. Vance admits he lied and does not regret spreading false rumors that Haitian immigrants are stealing and eating pets in Springfield, Ohio.
Starting point is 00:05:05 Those lies have led to bomb threats and the cancellation of the city's culture fest. Haitian actress Garcelle Laveau has a lot to say to the maggots who are lying about the Haitian community. The man arrested for Sunday, They called it an alleged assassination attempt. So why hasn't he been charged with attempted murder? I'll explain. President Joe Biden says his administration
Starting point is 00:05:35 is investing more than $1 billion in HBCUs, bringing its total contributions to the schools to more than $17 billion in the last four years. We'll talk with Steve Benjamin, the Director of Office of Public Engagement and also the UNCF Senior Vice President
Starting point is 00:05:52 of Public Policy and Government Affairs about how this money will impact HBCUs. Georgia identifies its first preventable death related to the ban on abortion. We'll talk to the Senior Editor of ProPublica who broke this story. And also, Tito Jackson, one of the brothers who made up the group Jackson 5, has passed away at the age of 70. Folks, it's time to bring the funk.
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Starting point is 00:07:28 We always knew Republicans were lying about Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio. Well, maggot J.D. Vance was on CNN yesterday and admitted that he created the story about Haitian migrants eating animals. Listen to this liar talking to Dana Bash. The American media totally ignored this stuff until Donald Trump and I started talking about cat memes. If I have to, if I have to create stories so that the American media actually pays attention to the suffering of the American people, then that's what I'm going to do, Dana. You just said that you're creating a story. Public policy. Sorry, you just said that you're creating the story. What's that, Dana?
Starting point is 00:08:02 You just said that this is a story that you created. So the eating dogs and cats thing is not accurate. We are creating, we are, Dana, it comes from firsthand accounts from my constituents. I say that we're creating a story, meaning we're creating the American media focusing on it. What a liar. Oh, it's coming from firsthand accounts, but they are lies. They are flat-out lies, and that's what these maggots do. They lie. They repeatedly lie. They have caused mayhem in Springfield, Ohio. They have caused schools to get bomb threats, hospitals to get bomb threats, you name it. And now you got Rich Lowry, the National Review, a big-time white conservative, talking to Megyn Kelly, and I'm sorry, did I hear him use the N-word as he was talking about the Haitian migrants? Listen.
Starting point is 00:09:01 Finally, he said something to the effect of, look, if we have to create stories in order to bring attention to what's happening, the media, he admits they made it up, right? As opposed to, and if you listen to the full clip, he says, by drawing attention to what's happening on the ground, it's just, as the line goes online, you don't hate the media enough. Go ahead. You remember Alternative Facts with Kellyanne? They did the same thing. She wasn't saying you make up fictions and pretend they're facts. You bring other facts to bear in the debate that are being ignored. And that's what he was saying. And I loved, I think it was in that interview where Dana Bash says, you know, the police have
Starting point is 00:09:37 gone through 11 months of recordings of calls and they've only found two Springfield residents calling to complain about Haitian migrants taking geese from ponds. Only two calls. And I think one lesson in this whole story, people don't care about geese. People really hate geese. All things considered, I think people would prefer Haitian migrants to come and take the geese off the golf course, right? So it's pets. It's the cats and dogs that's become the standard. Geese clearly don't don't matter.
Starting point is 00:10:06 I mean, I read online they're protected in Ohio. I'm sorry. What did he say? A couple of people on social media actually slowed down the comments. And this is what he said. Play. the comments and this is what he said play warnings of calls and they've only found two springfield residents calling to complain about haitian maker migrants taking geese. Oh, that was slowed down.
Starting point is 00:10:49 Now, check this out. Let's go to my iPad. So this guy, Andrew McCarthy, is with the National Review. He tweeted this out. Ridiculous. Rich Lowry obviously got crossed up between immigrants short and short I, y'all. He got crossed between immigrants short I and migrants long I, started mispronouncing migrants
Starting point is 00:11:23 with short I I instantly corrected himself with no embarrassment because it was patently a mispronunciation. Jeez. That's that's what he tweeted. Now, Little Rich agreed with that. In fact, here's Megyn Kelly. This is so disgusting and obviously leveled by someone that doesn't know Rich Lowry at all. A finer, more gracious man of good character you will never meet.
Starting point is 00:12:03 Okay, this is the Santa was a white man lady. This is the black faces okay lady. Really, Megyn Kelly? Shut the hell up. But again, just so understand, this is what you're seeing from these people as they are talking about what's happening with Haitian migrants. Garcelle Beauvau, who's Haitian American, weighed in on this.
Starting point is 00:12:35 She had to say this here. Hi, Sac Passe. Staying silent in the face of racism and hate is something that I refuse to do. This past week, the lies that have been spewed about the Haitian community, about my community, have been disgusting, deeply hurtful, and dangerous. Now, this is not about politics. It's about humanity. We must condemn this kind of hatred, this kind of racism for anyone. I have always been a proud Haitian immigrant coming Coming to America, working hard,
Starting point is 00:13:26 that's what we do. Coming from gratitude. And I will not sit by and let people talk about my community in any way they want for their own gain. The power we have is the power to vote. To register and vote and stop this madness, this chaos.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Haitians, it's for us to jump, it's for us to vote, it's for us to register, it's for us to talk to everyone we know who can vote. That's where we gain power. I am not going to sit by.
Starting point is 00:14:12 It's just not okay to treat people like this. We're supposed to be uplifting each other. From our leaders to our neighbors. This has got to stop. And we have to do something about it. We can't just sit by. Thanks for listening. Register to vote.
Starting point is 00:14:35 We have 50-something days. Go out and vote. We need to stop this chaos. Look, these Republicans do not care. They don't care. They are using this. They are pressing the racial buttons for a reason. What did I say in my book, White Fear? How the browning of America is making white folks lose their minds.
Starting point is 00:14:59 I told y'all, this is what they do. This is exactly what they do. This is exactly how they behave. And so they want to draw Democrats in to have this racial conversation about, oh, they're bringing in
Starting point is 00:15:20 these black people and sending them to red areas to flip them. What are they throwing out? They're getting welfare. They're getting government benefits. Do y'all see what the game is?
Starting point is 00:15:35 This is how they play the game. Over and over and over. This is no shock at all. This is the game that they play. And what they've done is they've fallen in line with MAGA and Trump. As I said, bomb threats at city buildings and schools.
Starting point is 00:16:01 The city canceled Culture Fest. The city manager has said he and his family have been getting numerous threats, death threats. As a matter of fact, there was a black guy who went to city council and made all types of accusations. Now he, now he is saying, oh damn, I was wrong. I shouldn't have said all those things. The Miami Heat, they have responded and issued a statement regarding this. And this is their statement.
Starting point is 00:16:47 The Miami Heat staff, like Miami itself, is a diverse and brilliant mix of vibrant cultures, including many members of our Haitian community. The false narrative surrounding them is hurtful and offensive and has sadly made innocent people targets of hateful speech and physical threats. Our Haitian employees, fans, and friends deserve better. That was a statement from the Miami Heat. Now, again, I told you when you look at some of these folks out here who are speaking out, some who are, again, who have been complaining.
Starting point is 00:17:26 There was a black guy who went before the city council there and was whining and complaining, and he was talking about, oh, matter of fact, before I get to that, remember I told you about the mayor? This is a tweet right here. Previous Springfield threats were more extensive than previously reported widely.
Starting point is 00:17:44 Mayor Rob Rue and his family have received what he said, multiple death threats as have other city staffers and commission members. This is what Donald Trump and J.D. Vance has
Starting point is 00:17:59 unleashed in this country. This is what they've unleashed. And they don't care. They literally don't care. They don't mind if people are calling in death threats. This brother right here, his name is Anthony Harris. Now, this is quite profane here, so just letting y'all know.
Starting point is 00:18:38 This is the brother who went before the city commission making all of these claims about Haitian migrants, and he was lying. It wasn't factual. He was lying. Listen to this. They're in the park grabbing up ducks by their neck and cutting their head off and walking off with them. I ain't never seen no fucking cat and dog get ate in my life and I never fucking said that. I said something about a goose
Starting point is 00:18:54 and somebody told me they see somebody grab a fucking goose up and cut his fucking head off and that's what the fuck I said. But when you ask me do I regret it, hell yeah. And then we gotta deal with motherfucking schools getting closed down. We got to deal with motherfucking all the government buildings getting closed down. We got to do interviews at the police station because weird shit is going on.
Starting point is 00:19:12 The white woman who also helped start this, she's like, oh my God, I didn't realize all these things were going to happen. And I now fear for my safety. So you make up some bullshit about Haitian immigrants, their lives have been threatened, they got to keep their kids home from school, they're scared to death of walking the streets, you got racists in there, Proud Boys showing up, You got folks, again, like I say, walking the streets, can't tell who the hell is Haitian and who isn't. They're attacking anybody and everybody, and now you sorry?
Starting point is 00:19:53 Matter of fact, here's a video here of some of the folks there in Springfield who are not Haitian, talking about how they have been attacked. But I'm still a person of color. So when people come and look at us as a whole, I don't look any different from the next person. So people assume that I'm Haitian.
Starting point is 00:20:15 Me as an African-American, you know, when we're looked at, we're looked at like, well, I don't know if you're Haitian or not. So I just had a gentleman look at me, an older Caucasian gentleman asked me, how do you tell us, how do you tell them apart? There's no way to tell us apart. No way that there is to tell Caucasian apart until someone starts to speak. Right, you have to talk with them and get to know them. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:40 I have to say something. So American people, Haitian people, at the end of the day... A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin.
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Starting point is 00:24:16 They showcased a sense of love that I never had before. I mean, he's not only my parent, like he's like my best friend. At the end of the day, it's all been worth it. I wouldn't change a thing about our lives. Learn about adopting a teen from foster care. Visit AdoptUSKids.org to learn more. Brought to you by AdoptUSKids, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, and the Ad Council. Be human first. So we're supposed to live together. And don't be dramatic. So live together and stay cool. Because before, Springfield was a nice place, quiet place.
Starting point is 00:24:51 So I want my Springfield the same Springfield. You want it to stay the same way, just quiet and nice and friendly. Yes, friendly. Friendly people. See, y'all see what's going on here. But the racists are driving this. The maggots, the racists, Republicans, conservatives,
Starting point is 00:25:11 they are driving this. This is all on them. My pal, Dr. Julian Malveaux, economist, president, emeritus, been in college out of D.C., at the Alma-Congo, being a senior,
Starting point is 00:25:19 professor of lecture, school of international service, American University out of D.C., Renita Shannon, former Georgia State representative out of Atlanta. I'm glad to have three of American University out of D.C., Renita Shannon, former Georgia State Representative out of Atlanta. I'm glad to have three of you here. I mean, it is what it is, Renita.
Starting point is 00:25:30 Bottom line is these are racist white Republicans. They don't want black immigrants in this country. I can guarantee you if 15,000 to 20,000 white people from Norway were shipped to Springfield, Ohio, J.D. Vance and Donald Trump would not be saying a word. I lay the responsibility of this at the feet of the elected officials because as a former elected official, I received plenty of letters and plenty of emails and messages from people in the public asking me to lift up things that just sounded completely ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:26:06 And it was clear through their correspondence that they were not well. And it's the choice of the elected official of what you're going to elevate or not. So this, to me, all goes back to lay at the feet of Donald Trump and J.D. Vance for lifting this stuff up. They've had experience being elected officials. They understand what the responsibility is of an elected official. And you have to realize that many of us, when we looked at the debate the other night, we heard when Donald Trump said this, and most of us just shoved it off as being completely ridiculous because we could see right through what it was.
Starting point is 00:26:36 But you have to remember that there are people in the public who honestly hear these things, take it to heart, and they are not mentally well and they take action based on that. And so every elected official is aware of their responsibility of what that additional privilege in that microphone is and that you need to be using it responsibly. So I think that both Trump and Vance and the other conservatives who've been repeating these laws can absolutely thank themselves for creating what is complete chaos in Springfield. But, Omicongo, they don't care. They know they are pushing the racist buttons of their followers. And you hear J.D. Vance, oh, if I have to make, you know, if this is what gives people attention,
Starting point is 00:27:23 so be it. They do not care. And they don't care if any harm is brought to these Haitian immigrants in Springfield. No, you're absolutely right. And they are going to continue to do this. And let's also be mindful that Donald Trump is the master of distraction, because after that poor debate, he has been throwing this out and he's going to continue to stick on it because he knows that this is going to distract from people talking about his poor debate performance. But it's scary, Roland, because he's using the most vile and ignorant, hateful things to distract from this. And now real people are being targeted. And what did he say if he wins that his first two areas that he's going to target are Aurora, Colorado, and this,
Starting point is 00:28:00 and Springfield, because he's playing off of that nonsense you talked about last week about Venezuelans taking over gangs there. And so he's throwing, he's not even throwing out coded language. He's just saying names of cities and throwing all those people down there. And this is the time for us as Black people to really unite, because I know a lot of Haitian people who are part of the Black struggle and identify and understand the racism. But we also know that some who are part of the diaspora community have looked at this racism in the United States as a African-American thing. We are all in this together. And like the sister said in the videos that you showed, the people can't distinguish. So they're going to treat us all the same. So just like the video you played from the woman, we got to get out there and vote. We got to be united.
Starting point is 00:28:42 We got to be in solidarity. And we need and where are the Republicans? They're supposed to be calling out this ignorant and hate. They're not calling it out, not because they're scared, but as far as I'm concerned, Roland, they believe it, too. People right now, you're either silent or you are part of the solution. You are guilty by association. And if you're not going to speak up when this stuff's happening right now, you want this, too. So we've got to continue to fight, continue to speak up. I'm glad that we're continuing to do this. And I respect those who have also been upstanders for the Haitian community. But now we've got to be upstanders for the black community more if we haven't been in our community.
Starting point is 00:29:16 Because this is happening everywhere. Julianne? This is so absurd. J.D. Vance even said when he had the interview with Dana Bash, if he had to make a story up, which he did, he made a story up to bring attention to the immigration issue, he would make a story up. So he's a liar. He is a liar. But, you know, apples don't fall far from the tree. He is Trump's person, and he's a liar. It is a horrible trope that Haitian Americans have to deal with. As I shared with you the last time we were together,
Starting point is 00:29:52 my grandfather was Haitian. They don't eat no dogs and cats. It's just, the absurdity is amazing. But even more than that, as Omokongo said, and as the sister in the video said, you can't tell a Haitian from a black American. You know, we all look alike. So what you really say is let's begin to attack black people. And J.D. Vance's interview with Dana Bash was disgraceful from the perspective that he just said anything. And he argued with her. He did not, he was disrespectful, but more than being disrespectful,
Starting point is 00:30:30 he acknowledged that he was a liar. He acknowledged that he was a liar. And he said, well, if I have to make something up, I will. So he made it up, but it has gotten legs. And then they said, oh, this is a distraction. Well, if it was a distraction, why did you say it? Why did you not say it? So here's what we have to do, folks.
Starting point is 00:30:48 As Obama said, and he's absolutely right, as black people, we have to unite. All right, looks like we lost Julianne's signal, so we're going to try to get her signal back and have her back. So just hold tight one second. Going to break. We come back more on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. He told us who he was. Should abortion be punished? There has to be some form of punishment. Then he showed us. For 54 years, they were trying to get Roe v. Wade terminated, and I did it. And I'm proud to have done it. Now Donald Trump wants to go further with plans to restrict birth control,
Starting point is 00:31:34 ban abortion nationwide, even monitor women's pregnancies. We know who Donald Trump is. He'll take control. We'll pay the price. I'm Kamala Harris, and I approve this message. IVF is a miracle for us because it allowed us to have our family. After having my daughter, I wanted more children, but my embryo transfer was canceled
Starting point is 00:31:57 eight days before the procedure. Donald Trump overturning Roe v. Wade stopped us from growing the family that we wanted. I don't want politicians telling me how or when I can have a baby. We need a president that will protect our rights, and that's Kamala Harris. I'm Kamala Harris, and I approve this message. Here's a 78-year-old billionaire who has not stopped whining about his problems. Oh, she had a big crowd. Oh, the crowd. This weird
Starting point is 00:32:26 obsession with crowd sizes. It just goes on and on and on. America's ready for a new chapter. We are ready for a President Kamala Harris. I'm Kamala Harris and I approve this message. In 2016, Donald Trump said he would choose only the best people to work in his White House. Now those people have a warning for America. Trump is not fit to be president again. Here's his vice president. Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States. It should come as no surprise that I will not be endorsing Donald Trump this year. His defense secretary. Do you think Trump can be trusted with the nation's secrets ever again?
Starting point is 00:33:11 No. I mean, it's just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nation's security at risk. His national security advisor. Donald Trump will cause a lot of damage. The only thing he cares about is Donald Trump. And the nation's highest-ranking military officer. We don't take an oath to a king or a queen or a tyrant or a dictator. And we don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Take it from the people who knew him best. Donald Trump is a danger to our troops and our democracy. We can't let him lead our country again. I'm Kamala Harris and I approve this message. The overturning of Roe almost killed me. I had a blood clot in my uterus that caused my labor to have to be induced because of the overturn of Roe v. Wade. I wasn't able to get life-saving treatment sooner. I almost died. And that's because of the decision that Donald Trump made. I was able to get Roe v. Wade terminated and
Starting point is 00:34:10 I'm proud to have done it. The doctors and nurses were afraid that if they treated me in the incorrect way that they would be prosecuted for that. And that's appalling. Donald Trump says that women should be punished. Do you believe in punishment for abortion? There has to be some form of punishment. For the woman? Yeah. I believe that women should have reproductive freedom to make the choices about their own bodies.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Four more years of Donald Trump means that women's rights will continue to be taken away one by one by one by one. This has to stop because women are dying. I'm Kamala Harris and I approve this message. Hey, what's up? It's Tammy Roman. Hey, it's John Murray, the executive producer of the new Sherri Shepherd talk show. It's me, Sherri Shepherd. And you know what you're watching. Roland Martin on Filthy. President Joe Biden kicked off National HBCU Week Conference in Philadelphia.
Starting point is 00:35:08 This is an annual event that happens in the country. Of course, it is a three-day event highlighting the nation's historically black colleges and universities. He touted what the administration has done in the last almost four years. We all know, and I mean this sincerely, that HBCU students are just as capable as any other students. No, but HBCUs don't have the endowments like many other college universities that are able to fund research labs, improve campus infrastructure, and so much more. That's why I'm proud to be delivering on a record $17 billion. $17 billion for HBCU, the most ever any administration
Starting point is 00:35:56 has ever, ever, ever, ever committed. Ever, ever, ever. So don't believe any lies from Donald Trump or from Senator Tim Scott or anyone else. Stephen Benjamin is assistant to the president and director of public engagement for the White House. He joins us now from Philadelphia. Glad to have you here. Steve, the thing here is that I really do get a kick out of when I listen to these Trump folks talk about all the things that Trump did for HBCUs, but they never seem to put a number on the table. When we talk about this $17 billion, we're talking about students, faculty, staff, buildings, but also this impacts the broader area, the broader community that surrounds these HBCUs. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely, Rowan. Thank you for always doing some truth-telling for all of us.
Starting point is 00:36:53 We're talking about a record amount of investment in historically Black colleges and universities, over $17 billion, $1.3 billion announced this year alone. That's when the president came up here to also, in a very detailed way, break down resources, go into so many different colleges and universities, very specifically, align with some of the trillions of dollars that are being spent along the lines of infrastructure and semiconductor chip manufacturing, future fuels and clean energy, just so many things happening. Now, usually folks won't give you details around the former president's investment, because there are no details.
Starting point is 00:37:28 Over $17 billion is a record amount invested in our historically Black colleges and universities. Not only—this is, as the president said in the clip you played, these young people are gifted and talented. My daughter's a student at Spelman College in Atlanta. She could have gone anywhere she wanted to go. But the force multiplier that HBCUs are, you think about it, 40 percent of all black engineers come from HBCUs, 50 percent of all black teachers, 70 percent of all black doctors and dentists, 80 percent of all black judges in the president's, of course, you know, have done a record job of appointing black women
Starting point is 00:38:05 to the appeals court bench, more than every other president in the history of the country combined. And, obviously, as the president loves to say, 100 percent of black vice presidents come from HBCUs and the great Howard University. The point that you just made very specifically, I think, is lost on so many people, is the economic engines. I served as mayor of Columbia, South Carolina, a proud home to Allen University and Benedict College,
Starting point is 00:38:28 where I served as a trustee for so many years, over a decade. These colleges and universities are great engines of economic growth for the communities in which they reside, and certainly also as helping create real wealth generators in the individuals that matriculate through the universities. Just a report that came out from the Council of Economic Advisors early this year laid out, and I wrote the notes down here. We're talking about $16.5 billion annual economic impact that HBCUs are having on their respective communities, and also $146 billion in collective lifetime earnings. This is the thing about HBCUs.
Starting point is 00:39:11 The significant number of low-wealth and first-generation students that matriculate at HBCUs do a better job than any other college, any other demographic, I might add, of moving from the bottom quintile of American economic society into the middle class. We're talking about a significant leap because of the very special education they're receiving at HBCU. So this is a good investment for America. And the president, he talks about his visit to Norfolk State as vice president and realizing that these kids were gifted and talented. And he planted the seed in him that if he ever had the opportunity with the stroke of a pen to make a difference at the HBCUs,
Starting point is 00:39:49 he was going to do it. And that's what he and the vice president have been doing leading from the front. And see, this is the thing for me. I mean, I was seeing some comment today, some crazy deranged woman saying, see, Biden-Harris, they've done nothing for black people. And you're sitting there going, what, this don't count?
Starting point is 00:40:07 It's, man, I know you and I have had so many conversations. This makes sense. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business,
Starting point is 00:40:40 taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 00:41:11 I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes, but there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated.
Starting point is 00:41:52 I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English.
Starting point is 00:42:22 I'm Greg Glod. And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes sir, we are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug man. Benny the
Starting point is 00:42:52 Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. Stories matter and it brings a face to them. It makes it real.
Starting point is 00:43:07 It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. of love that I never had before. I mean, he's not only my parent, like he's like my best friend. At the end of the day, it's all been worth it. I wouldn't change a thing about our lives.
Starting point is 00:43:52 Learn about adopting a teen from foster care. Visit AdoptUSKids.org to learn more. Brought to you by AdoptUSKids, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, and the Ad Council. It had hurt. Listening to the foolishness. When you give people facts and they come to the foolishness, when you give people facts and they come back with foolishness, it's crazy. Now, we hadn't talked about
Starting point is 00:44:10 Pell Grant increases, that $900 increase in Pell Grants, which, of course, benefits our kids and HBCUs much more significantly. We're talking about 2023, last year, being the lowest unemployment on record for Black folk in this country, the lowest since we started disaggregating data just over 50 years ago.
Starting point is 00:44:34 We're talking about the greatest significant increase in black wealth and closing the wealth gap between the black community and white community under this president. And that's before we get into all the social issues. We're talking about record amounts of black businesses being started, the most businesses in the last 20 years. And it comes all through the lens of equity that the president, vice president, approached this administration with. They knew that we had to do a lot. You're thinking, now think about, we have, we all, obviously all went through our own forms of trauma in the wake of the pandemic. But the greatest pandemic since 1918, maybe the greatest economic disruption we saw, some
Starting point is 00:45:12 would say since 1929, the greatest social unrest in the wake of the murder of George Floyd since 1968, all wrapped up into one period of time where our president decided he needed to do two things. One, he needed to stop the carnage of the pandemic. While the former president was telling people to inject bleach and shine UV rays up their private areas, our president decided he needed to get shots in arms. He had to save lives, and then he needed to save livelihoods. He recognized that there are communities all across this country, in urban, suburban, and rural America, that have been underinvested in. And he decided he was going to make some long-term decisions and lead from the front and put broadband.
Starting point is 00:45:54 Babies who couldn't get educated because they couldn't get access to broadband. They're sitting in McDonald's parking lots and public library parking lots after they've closed just to get access to broadband and do their homework. Everything he did, he did from an equity lens, realizing that some of us had farther to go than others did. And it is—the proof is in the pudding, not just in the HBCUs, but in wealth creation and fighting discrimination and bias—biases and home appraisals and the can't get Congress to pass the George Floyd Justice and Policing Act. The president signs an executive order directing every single federal agency under his purview
Starting point is 00:46:33 to follow all the rules that we were all demanding after the murder of George Floyd. The man's been leading from the front. And, you know, other people throw out the BS and the misinformation, disinformation that they text our brothers all across this country and spread across our barbershops. It's just foolishness. And I think it's up to each and every one of us to continue to speak the truth and make sure people understand that the I'm not given much to hyperbole. But the future of our communities, as we know it, the future of our children and grandchildren depends upon some real decisions that we have to make this year. And then looking back favorably at the Biden-Harris record gives us a real roadmap as to what's possible. And I think people also have to understand when the administration does this, it also spurs other investment.
Starting point is 00:47:27 Bloomberg Foundation announced multiple millions they're giving to four HBCU medical schools. Meharry was one of them. They got $175 million. Go to my iPad, Anthony. This was just last week. An anonymous donor stepped up and gave Meharry another $20 million. What we have seen, of course, Mackenzie Scott, what she's been doing as well, we are seeing. First of all, we saw a lot of people step up in the wake of the death of George Floyd.
Starting point is 00:48:04 But because the administration has put this focus on HBCUs, highlighting these crown jewels, now other people are responding. And so this is also the overflow effect of the administration of Democrats in Congress, putting the focus and the money towards HBCUs. Yeah, absolutely. Roland, there are very few problems facing our society, and you know it all too well, because I see the work that you do on behalf of charitable institutions and causes every day, there are very few problems that only the government can solve. You need a public focus. You need private focus. You need philanthropic focus. You need people at different levels of the government, from the federal government, state government, local government. And you need real community leadership, making sure. And that's why I love
Starting point is 00:48:44 the work I do in the Office of Public Engagement. It's our job to work with civil society, with church groups, with faith groups, with labor and business, with social groups like your fantastic fraternity of Alpha Phi Alpha and mine of Kappa Alpha Psi. But folks who are doing great work and all the other Divine Nine, I might add, too. The president is also the very first president to establish a working group, the Divine Nine, in the White House because he wanted to make sure that we knew what organizations were doing out there. We worked closely with everyone from every group you might think of because our job is to listen very closely and find ways that we can work together to solve complex problems. That's the way you get things done, working together. Well, absolutely. It has been a considerable focus.
Starting point is 00:49:32 And when you also have committed players in Congress, folks like Congressman Bobby Scott of Virginia, Congresswoman Alma Adams of North Carolina, and so many others, those things matter. And I've got to say this because, again, I really do get sick and tired of listening to some black people who say the Congressional Black Caucus is worthless. They do nothing on behalf of black people. And so I don't know why they're there. It is dumb to me because even though Republicans right now control the U.S. House, the reality is it still matters in terms of what they do. And everything you talked about,
Starting point is 00:50:15 none of that stuff got done without the Congressional Black Caucus. Even when people were talking about making cuts, they were there to say, no, it's not going to happen. And so it takes partners. And this, there are some, if there's one bright spot among Republicans, they largely supported HBCUs as well. So this has not necessarily been a controversial thing, but
Starting point is 00:50:38 the CBC has played a huge role in making this $17 billion real. You mentioned Ms. Adams and Mr. Scott. I throw in, of course, my congressman, Jim Clyburn. But I will tell you, under the leadership of so many, I'll say our chair emeritus, Joyce Beatty, but I got to lean in a little bit on Stephen Horsford as chair of the CBC, a super sharp brother who's focused like a laser beam, on moving the needle on work,
Starting point is 00:51:08 wages, and wealth in ways that I think would make anyone who spends some time with him incredibly proud. The focus on record-breaking amounts of procurement, of government contracts with minority-owned businesses. We're talking about $180 billion in federal procurement opportunities for underserved minority and small businesses. We're talking about the number of loans from the Small Business Administration to Black-owned businesses having more than doubled under this presidency, working in partnership with folks at the CBC. We're talking about Latina businesses growing at a faster rate than anyone else in the country. But that comes with a constant push and pull, pressure, thoughtful policymaking that the CBC has led on.
Starting point is 00:51:56 I couldn't be more proud to call so many members of the Congressional Black Caucus, my friends. For so many years, they were considered a conscience of the Congress, and they still are. But when you talk about real, like, incredible, thoughtful policymaking that keeps your eyes on the ball every single day, and dogged leadership to make sure things happen, we couldn't have better policymakers in the federal
Starting point is 00:52:17 government than the members of the CBC. All right. Steve Benjamin, we certainly appreciate it, man. Thanks for joining us from Philadelphia. Thanks a lot. All right. God bless you, brother. Be well. I appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Benjamin, we certainly appreciate it, man. Thanks for joining us from Philadelphia. Thanks a lot. All right. God bless you, brother. Be well.
Starting point is 00:52:27 I appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Folks, let's go back to our panel here. We were talking about, again, what folks are saying. Okay, I need somebody. Somebody, y'all got to show up, so I need y'all to kill that audio. I want to show y'all this. And I really try to ignore some really stupid people
Starting point is 00:52:47 who just say stupid stuff. But this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about on the Congo. This fool here, she goes, cause she was responding to this tweet that Angela Ra had posted. She goes, the Congressional Black Caucus is a group of bougie, boule folk
Starting point is 00:53:04 who don't do a damn thing for the black community. They rush to pass bills for Israel but sit on legislation that helps black people, and Angela Rye is part of that club. Savvy Saps number two, you are dumb. I mean, these people just say stuff, and they have no idea
Starting point is 00:53:22 what the hell they're talking about. They have no idea how the hell they're talking about. They have no idea how certain things are inserted into certain bills, how some things are pulled out. It's just a lie. It's just a flat out lie when you start going through resources that are
Starting point is 00:53:37 coming to black communities and others. I mean, these folks just say this stuff and I see it all the time and they literally don't understand what the hell actually happens in Congress at all. And that's why I really love when you go into these HBCU segments, it's just like a class, man. And one of the things I really also love is that you always put out the clips on your HBCU, on all your segments, but your HBCU segments on YouTube and your other platforms, so folks like me can take the link and share it with these people. Because some of these guys who are out there are bots and are ignorant, but some of these people are folks who are in our community
Starting point is 00:54:15 who spent all of their time naysaying. And I love what you did at the beginning of this segment. You talked to the brother and you said you noticed that some of these Republicans who say Trump did more for all of these Black HBCUs never come with the numbers. They never come with the facts. And the fact that these guys want to spend so much time condemning what members of the CBC are doing, condemning what Biden is doing as relates to HBCUs and what hopefully, when I say hopefully, hoping that she wins, President Harris will continue when she wins. The facts are there. And why don't you actually go to the HBCUs, talk to the leadership, talk to the students, talk to them and see what's happening on the ground.
Starting point is 00:54:50 The fact that we have to continue to serve as agents of informing our own community about the incredible things that are happening, not only in our HBCUs, but our partnership with this administration, it's strategic on some people who just don't want us to support these. And for people to come at people like Angela Rye and the great work that the CBC is doing, it's just ignorant and it's disrespectful. But my hope is that more people who are watching videos like this, watching clips like this, will at least have some fodder to share with those ignorant people out there, because it's like they want to get rid of the CBC and then what do we have, right? They always have smoke for the black folks
Starting point is 00:55:28 who are trying to do something and they're not doing anything themselves. That's what constantly happens, Renita. And I just sit here and I look at some of these people and my whole deal is this here. If you want to offer a critique of the Congressional Black Caucus or the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation
Starting point is 00:55:45 or the CBC PAC or the CBC Institute, okay, make it a substantive fact. I just can't stand these ignorant people who throw stuff out like, there ain't enough black people. Ain't enough people to get enough black people. Some fool posted, I ain't gonna vote for Kamala Harris
Starting point is 00:56:01 because she won't do anything specifically for black people. And I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? The investment that the Biden-Harris administration made for HBCUs is so important and substantial because what a lot of people forget is that the HBCUs are technically private schools. So when you look at state schools like the University of Florida, University of Georgia, schools like that, they get money in the state budget every year. They get money to help with their buildings and facilities.
Starting point is 00:56:32 They also get money in the form of scholarships—well, students get money in the form of scholarships to attend these universities, which makes it easier for folks in the state to go to those state schools. But with the HBCUs, they are technically private universities. And I think that a lot of times people look at them and they don't see them in the same way they would see a Harvard where you just have to pay to go, which is not a state school. But the HBCUs are in the same boat. Well, there are there are public HBCUs. So, right. There are a lot of them are private. And yeah, yes.
Starting point is 00:57:04 Yeah. By law, the lot of them are private. Yeah, yeah. By law, they cannot get the same money. The majority of them are public. They cannot get the same money. Julianne, hold on, hold on. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up. So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll
Starting point is 00:57:31 be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Business Week editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time,
Starting point is 00:58:16 have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated.
Starting point is 00:58:52 I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English.
Starting point is 00:59:22 I'm Greg Lott. And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
Starting point is 00:59:36 It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug thing is. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. Got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote.
Starting point is 00:59:58 Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Caramouch. What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. Stories matter and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real.
Starting point is 01:00:10 Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. We asked parents who adopted teens to share their journey. We just kind of knew from the beginning that we were family. They showcased a sense of love that I never had before. I mean, he's not only my parent, like he's like my best friend.
Starting point is 01:00:45 At the end of the day, it's all been worth it. I wouldn't change a thing about our lives. Learn about adopting a teen from foster care. Visit adoptuskids.org to learn more. Brought to you by AdoptUSKids, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, and the Ad Council. Ready to finish, then we'll go Julianne.
Starting point is 01:01:03 Thank you. A lot of them are private universities, and they just are blocked from getting some of the same money that the state schools can get. And so because of that, they do need additional support. And so this, I think, is a substantial investment, and it's important, and it's a big deal. Julianne? Of the 100 or so HBCUs, about 40 of them, under the 40, are private. The remainder are public. They do get state funds. The state funds they get are not fair. They don't get their share of state funds, but they are public universities. The challenge, of course, is,
Starting point is 01:01:42 number one, the privates, like Bennett College, that I was once president of, we're private, so we don't necessarily get access to the public funds. It has to come. And thank God for Alma Adams, Congresswoman Alma Adams, who always lifted Bennett up in state appropriations in many ways. But many states do not. So, you know, it's that, but the public-private, you know, the publics are represented by the Thurgood Marshall Fund, the privates by the United Negro College Fund, two different funds with the same purpose. But that's really not the point. The point is that we have, I'm happy that you had the brother on Roland, and the HBCU week is in Philly. This week, usually, it's in D.C. I don't know what happened, but it's all good.
Starting point is 01:02:31 But the challenge is that black education is not a high priority in any administration. President Biden has probably done more than anyone else has in terms of lifting up our HBCUs. More certainly, the Bushes weren't bad. President Obama was not bad. But President Biden has been aggressively investing in HBCUs. And that's really important because we still have a majority of Black professionals coming out of HBCUs. The numbers are down, as the PWIs have been admitting us, but applications are up. It's so good. Applications are up. Why? Because our young people are saying, I'm not putting up with this BS.
Starting point is 01:03:16 I'm not going to go to a school where I'm discriminated against, where even though I play on a sports team, I'm not going to get any props. So our young people are being very discerning, very discerning about what their possibilities are. But we have to give this administration credit. And what we also have to do is, as you say, look at the lies. Who are these fools who are saying, what are they saying? Biden hasn't done anything for black people? Yes, he has.
Starting point is 01:03:42 And HBCUs have been a primary beneficiary of his largesse. Indeed, indeed. And so, again, folks just need to understand just this reality of what we are facing. All right, folks. Who does he have? I'm going to play some of what President Biden had to say today. We actually streamed the speech. You can see the full almost 20-minute speech.
Starting point is 01:04:04 But we're just going to play a few minutes of what he had to say today in Philadelphia actually streamed the speech. You can see the full, almost 20-minute speech. But we're just going to play a few minutes of what he had to say today in Philadelphia to kick off HBCU week. As the saying goes, you all brung me to the dance. Folks, we want to get something straight at the outset. I love Kamala. But Delaware State's the best HBCU in America. They're the ones that you think I'm kidding.
Starting point is 01:04:35 I was a 29-year-old kid, and they embraced me. They embraced me like you can't imagine. And we won the second-youngest person in American history because of an HBCU called Delaware State. And by the way, I hired a young man from Delaware State named Tony Allen. Came to work for me. While there, I encouraged him to continue to extend his degree. He got his doctorate and left.
Starting point is 01:05:02 He became president himself. I don't know how the hell that happened so quick. But, Tony, thank you, man. I've been under this countless times, but never quite like that. And I mean it, Tony. From the bottom of my heart, I'm deeply moved. By God's grace, we're true friends, and Delaware State will always have a special place in my heart, for real.
Starting point is 01:05:26 And to the presidents and administrators of our 101 historic black colleges and universities, it's an honor to celebrate — and I mean celebrate — HBCU Week with you. Before I begin, I want to make a quick reference. The attempted assassination against our former president in Florida yesterday. I commend the Secret Service for the expert handling of the situation. And the former president is protected from harm and the subject is in custody. An acting head of the Secret Service is in Florida today assessing what happened and determining whether any further adjustments need to be made to ensure the safety of our former president. Let me just say, there is no, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, those of you who know me, many of you do, no place in political violence for political violence in America.
Starting point is 01:06:19 None. Zero. Never. I've always condemned political violence. I always will in America. In America, we resolve our difference peacefully. The ballot box, not at the end of a gun. America suffered too many times the tragedy of an assassin's bullet. It solves nothing and just tears the country apart. We must do everything we can to prevent it and never give it any oxygen. Folks, now today's event. It's an honor to recognize HBCU excellence in our nation. I see excellence in it every single day. I see this weekend, the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation. I tell you what, the Foundation Gala, only about 3,500 people there. And I was happy, and I've been wanting to do this to celebrate the first-ever White House brunch to celebrate black excellence.
Starting point is 01:07:15 Black excellence. Which many of you and your alumni attended. It's about time to point out what's already been done. I'm proud to have the most diverse administration in history. It taps into the full, I mean it, I made a commitment, my administration is going to look like America. It taps into the full talents of our nation, including graduates of HBCUs like our amazing vice president is. Folks, together Kamala and I know that an education makes a person free.
Starting point is 01:07:48 HBCU's education makes you fearless as well. It matters. I mean it. More than 180 years, born under the shadow of slavery and Jim Crow, HBCUs have instilled a sense of purpose and freedom, a commitment to make a difference for all their students, to lift up not just yourselves but others along the way, institution grounded in the belief that every American of every race and every background, every zip code — and you know me, I mean this — should have a fair and equal chance to
Starting point is 01:08:23 go as far as their God-given talents can take them. That's who we are. That's who we stand for. But as I've said before, reflection and reflection point in history comes along every six or seven generations. One of those rare moments in our history when the decisions we make now, right now, are going to determine the fate of our nation
Starting point is 01:08:48 and the world for the next decades, for six, seven decades to come. And I mean it. When I wasn't going to run for President after my son died coming back from Iraq, I decided that I was going to write another book. I was going to write a book about the inflection points of world history, how it changed history, going all the way back to dealing with the printing press
Starting point is 01:09:09 and how it changed everything. But look, we're still in the battle. We're still in the battle for the very soul of America. In 2020, I ran, and I give you my word, this was the reason. I ran to redeem the soul of America and restore decency and dignity word, this was the reason. I ran to redeem the soul of America, and restore decency and dignity to the office of the presidency. I ran to rebuild and expand the backbone of America,
Starting point is 01:09:33 the middle class. And I ran to unite the country, remind ourselves that we can do anything we want to do when we do it together. Four years later, we made incredible progress because Kamala and I kept our commitment to you to ensure that all our students and all of our colleges and universities should be able to succeed. That's why I signed an executive order re-establishing the White House initiative on HBCUs after my predecessor allowed it to lapse. Thank you, Dr. Trent, for leading it. Folks, again, if you want to see the full speech,
Starting point is 01:10:10 simply go to our Blackstar Network app or go to youtube.com forward slash Roland S. Martin. All right, folks, when we come back, was it an assassination attempt? We'll talk about what took place in Florida where the man with the AK-47 was arrested by the Secret Service near one of Donald Trump's golf courses.
Starting point is 01:10:27 And why did Donald Trump ignore the Secret Service in warning him about playing golf at his courses and how it was not safe? We'll also talk about that explosive Washington Post report as well. Plus, we'll talk about ProPublica, a story where they broke where a black woman in Georgia was denied medical help because of the killing of Roe v. Wade. That sister died as a result. Did I not tell you these Republicans
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Starting point is 01:13:34 He told us who he was. Should abortion be punished? There has to be some form of punishment. Then he showed us. For 54 years they were trying to get Roe v. Wade terminated, and I did it. And I'm proud to have done it. Now Donald Trump wants to go further with plans to restrict birth control,
Starting point is 01:13:53 ban abortion nationwide, even monitor women's pregnancies. We know who Donald Trump is. He'll take control. We'll pay the price. I'm Kamala Harris and I approve this message. IVF is a miracle for us because it allowed us to have our family. After having my daughter, I wanted more children, but my embryo transfer was canceled eight days before the procedure.
Starting point is 01:14:17 Donald Trump overturning Roe v. Wade stopped us from growing the family that we wanted. I don't want politicians telling me how or when I can have a baby. We need a president that will protect our rights, stopped us from growing the family that we wanted. I don't want politicians telling me how or when I can have a baby. We need a president that will protect our rights, and that's Kamala Harris. I'm Kamala Harris, and I approve this message.
Starting point is 01:14:35 Here's a 78-year-old billionaire who has not stopped whining about his problems. Oh, she had a big crowd. Oh, the crowd. This weird obsession with crowd sizes. Oh, the crowd. This weird obsession with crowd sizes. It just goes on and on and on. America's ready for a new chapter. We are ready for a president.
Starting point is 01:15:01 Kamala Harris. I'm Kamala Harris and I approve this message. In 2016, Donald Trump said he would choose only the best people to work in his White House. Now those people have a warning for America. Trump is not fit to be president again. Here's his vice president. Anyone who puts themselves over the Constitution should never be president of the United States.
Starting point is 01:15:22 It should come as no surprise that I will not be endorsing Donald Trump this year. His defense secretary. Do you think Trump can be trusted with the nation's secrets ever again? No. I mean, it's just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nation's security at risk. His national security advisor.
Starting point is 01:15:38 Donald Trump will cause a lot of damage. The only thing he cares about is Donald Trump. And the nation's highest ranking military officer. We don't take an oath to a king or queen or a tyrant or a dictator. We don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator. Take it from the people who knew him best. Donald Trump is a danger to our troops and our democracy. We can't let him lead our country again. I'm Kamala Harris and I approve this message. The overturning of Roe almost killed me. I had a blood clot in my uterus that caused my labor to have to be induced because of the overturn of Roe v. Wade. I wasn't able to get life-saving
Starting point is 01:16:21 treatment sooner. I almost died. And that's because of the decision that Donald Trump made. I was able to get Roe v. Wade terminated, and I'm proud to have done it. The doctors and nurses were afraid that if they treated me in the incorrect way, that they would be prosecuted for that. And that's appalling. Donald Trump says that women should be punished. Do you believe in punishment for abortion?
Starting point is 01:16:45 There has to be some form of punishment. For the woman? Yeah. I believe that women should have reproductive freedom to make the choices about their own bodies. Four more years of Donald Trump means that women's rights will continue to be taken away one by one by one by one. This has to stop because women are dying. I'm Kamala Harris and I approve this message. Hey, what's up, y'all? I'm Devon Frank. I'm Dr. Robin B., pharmacist and fitness coach,
Starting point is 01:17:11 and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up. So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Bannock-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams,
Starting point is 01:17:56 and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution.
Starting point is 01:18:36 But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated.
Starting point is 01:18:58 I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English.
Starting point is 01:19:27 I'm Greg Glott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
Starting point is 01:19:41 It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug ban. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette.
Starting point is 01:20:05 MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working, and we need to change things. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:20:23 And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. We asked parents who adopted teens to share their journey. We just kind of knew from the beginning that we were family.
Starting point is 01:20:44 They showcased a sense of love that I never had before. I mean, he's not only my parent, like he's like my best friend. At the end of the day, it's all been worth it. I wouldn't change a thing about our lives. Learn about adopting a teen from foster care. Visit AdoptUSKids.org to learn more. Brought to you by AdoptUSKids, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, and the Ad Council. Folks, the 58-year-old man, Ryan Ruth, who was arrested for what they're calling an attempted assassination on Donald Trump. He is facing several gun charges.
Starting point is 01:21:51 He was arraigned today in the federal courtroom. He faces two federal weapons charges. And, of course, this was after the day before he arrived at Donald Trump's golf course in Florida. And he was there about a half a day before agents spotted him. Now, here's what's strange. This is video where he was captured. Now, here's what's interesting.
Starting point is 01:22:14 First of all, the interim director of the Secret Service has said, first of all, he did not fire any shots. That's one. Two, if this was an assassination attempt, he hasn't been charged with attempted murder. So they did lay out and recover the AK-47 as well as other items. And so you got that going on. And so, of course, you heard President Biden talking about political assassinations, things along those lines. But I do think it's important that we also deal with this reality in terms of, first of all, y'all are Republicans now talking about, oh, Democrats, they won't condemn hate, things along those lines. And they have. But then you got people like Elon Musk who literally tweeted, well, no one is trying to assassinate Harris Walls. And then he goes, oh, that was a joke.
Starting point is 01:23:14 Elon, that shit ain't funny. So it's like, no, we're not buying that, oh, that was a joke. But there was a story that really caught my eye. And Carol Leonig, she is really one of the top journalists out there. She also really, her expertise is covering the Secret Service, is author Donald Trump, how the Secret Service actually showed him photos of how photographers could reach him on his golf course with their long lenses, and they said to him that, well, if photographers can do this, so could assassins. He blew them off. He didn't care.
Starting point is 01:24:15 He claimed that his semi-private golf courses were safe. So all these people are asking, how did this guy know that what was going on? Well, Trump golfs all the damn time. So it wasn't hard to figure out what he was doing. That's all he does is play golf. And so if you know he's in Florida, you know he's going to go out and play golf. In her exclusive, this is what she wrote. Soon after Donald Trump became president, authorities tried to warn him about the
Starting point is 01:24:46 risk posed by golfing at his own courses because of their proximity to public roads. Secret service agents came armed with unusual evidence, not suspect profiles or spent bullet casings, but simple photographs taken by news crews of him golfing at his private club in Sterling, Virginia. They reasoned that if photographers with long-range lenses could get the president in their sights while he golfed, so too could potential gunmen, according to former U.S. officials involved in discussions who, like most others interviewed for this story, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter of sensitivity. But Trump insisted that his clubs were safe, that he wanted to keep golfing. The former official said these preferences pose problems for his protection that former Trump aides, Secret
Starting point is 01:25:38 Service officials and security experts said have only intensified in the years since he left the White House. As his security details shrank and agents no longer maintain as extensive a perimeter guarding his movements, a Trump spokesman did not respond to a request for comment. Now, President Obama, when he was in the White House, he would often golf at Andrews Air Force Base. Why? Because it's on an Air Force Base. It is extremely secure.
Starting point is 01:26:12 That's why. But Donald Trump is a grifter. And so the reason he golfs at his golf courses is because he is using them as props to generate business. That's why he does that. And so what you're seeing here, really what you're seeing here, Omokongo, what you're seeing here is a man who doesn't care. He doesn't care what Secret Service says.
Starting point is 01:26:44 All he cares about is the grift. And so these people are trying to protect him. And so if something happens to him, he's blaming them for it. They're like, dude, you're not helping us. That is so true. That is so true. That is so true. I think that really at the end of the day, every time we look at the situation with Trump, he puts everybody in danger, right? And these are going to keep happening. And the reason why they're going to keep happening is
Starting point is 01:27:16 because he's not going to stop doing outdoor rallies. He's not going to stop golfing. He walks around like he can do whatever he wants and everybody else be damned. And people keep coming at the Secret Service. They keep coming at them. And yeah, they're overtaxed. And yeah, we understand this is their job, so on and so forth. But yo, you're supposed to remember when what the situation happened in Pennsylvania. You know, he's sitting there, you know, let me get my shoes on, throwing out the hand signals and everything, you know, making himself a continued target when they're trying to get him to safety. This is a guy who doesn't care about anybody. And as soon as somebody messes
Starting point is 01:27:47 up around him, it is automatically their fault. And then you got enablers who are going to get out there and say ignorant things as well. Oh, the Democrats are trying to do this. You talked about the Elon Musk tweet. But someone else is going to start doxing these Secret Service agents and start putting out their information. And then they're going to start being threatened, too. Everywhere Trump goes, violence or the threat of violence follows. And people are talking about, oh, we need to tone everything down. And, of course, things need to be toned down, but it starts with him. And so the fact of the matter is, he has always used people. He has always been transactional. And now I think people are going to stop—more people are going to stop coming to his rallies because they might get shot as well.
Starting point is 01:28:25 And so we just don't know what's going to happen. He's always been reckless, and the Secret Service has always had their hands full with him, and he's always exploited them to the benefit of his hotels, to the benefit of his pockets. And, of course, nobody wants an assassination to happen. As president, especially coming after the first assassination attempt, you're supposed to do a better job in helping the people help you to not get shot. Renita, here is a this. I was talking about the Elon Musk.
Starting point is 01:28:52 This is the tweet he had posted that he later said, oh, my God, I was joking. He goes and no one is even trying to assassinate Biden slash Kamala. This man should be visited by the U.S. Secret Service. That's an abomination. But he goes, oh, but I was joking. He violated his own rules of Twitter that he set up for the platform. And so, I mean, his comments are completely ridiculous. And I think that he should be looked into as well as anybody else
Starting point is 01:29:24 who would be looked into by the government if they made similar comments. I don't think that he should have any exception made for him because he's Elon Musk. But on this story, not a lot can be said about this because it keeps changing as we go along. The story keeps changing. When this first happened, it was labeled an assassination attempt. And I saw reporters asking questions like, what about this has, what about this made law enforcement say that this was an assassination attempt? Now we're seeing that no shots were fired. And so it's still kind of unclear what actually happened and why this was labeled an assassination attempt, in addition to all of the additional information we're seeing coming out about the suspect, the fact that he was somebody who went and fought in Ukraine, that he was doing media
Starting point is 01:30:08 interviews whenever he could get access to doing media interviews. So it really is shaping up to be a very odd story. And I would not be surprised if, you know, at some point it was just determined that this was not an assassination attempt. Well, look, Jillian, we still I mean, there still has never been a full report on the first assassination attempt. Trump claims his ear was shut off, but it's miraculous he completely healed.
Starting point is 01:30:36 We have not heard from his doctor. We have not heard from the medical team. And so it's like, okay, Ronny Jackson, his lying self. His statement doesn't count. And so if you have a select committee investigating this, and he was crazy when they had their first meeting at the site of the first assassination attempt. Some Republicans didn't even show up. So you ask the question, OK, listen, full transparency here is needed. President Biden has said the Secret Service needs more help. They need more resources,
Starting point is 01:31:10 things along those lines. But you also need a candidate who's willing to work with them and not make their lives harder. And Donald Trump doesn't care. No, you know, the whole thing, Roland, is quite suspicious. First of all, the Pennsylvania attempt, if it was that, was likely to have been glass ricocheting from the prompter that hit him. If you got hit in your head by AK anything, you would not have a head. Your ear would not be there. And, of course, the one man who worked for the fire department who was killed, I mean, he was hit in the back of the head. He died instantly.
Starting point is 01:31:48 Exactly. So there's a whole lot of questions. But the second thing, Mr. Trump has had the opportunity to work with Secret Service and he chose not to. They told him to stop doing these outdoor events. He chooses to continue to do them. It's like he almost has a death wish. And I'm not trying to—I'm not casting any aspersions because, you know, the rag-wing crazies will say that I gave him a death wish. One time I said, Terrence Thomas should eat bacon and eggs, and they said I wished him death. All I said was he should eat bacon and eggs and cream. And maybe he would come to say, man, that other black men did. I didn't say death wish. So I just want to be clear. I'm not wishing him death, but I'm wishing him to do, to be respectful of the Secret
Starting point is 01:32:36 Service, because they know what they're doing. And what he's doing is he's imperiling death. I mean, he's not imperiling himself. But, you know, Kamala said this. Vice President Harris said this at the Democratic Commission. He's not about y'all. He's about himself. It all hinges on him. And so, you know, he's going to be whining about this for the next six weeks. Somebody tried to kill him.
Starting point is 01:33:01 Oh, well, keep your behind inside. Keep your behind inside. Keep your behind inside. You are a target. You're a former president. You're controversial. Keep your behind inside. Will he die if he doesn't golf? Yeah, I mean, you might. But he just needs to stay inside. This is all ridiculous. And it's yet another distraction and, however, let me underline this, another fundraising opportunity for him. That's what we have to be careful about. Absolutely. When we talk about
Starting point is 01:33:34 fear of attacks on people, how about this here? There's an Ohio sheriff who posted on his Facebook page that people should be writing down the addresses of homes that have Harris Walls signs. Portage County Sheriff Bruce Zukowski, again, encouraged people to write these addresses down. He says, when people ask me what's going to happen if the flip-flopping, laughing
Starting point is 01:34:00 hyena wins, I say write down all the addresses of the people who had her signs in their yard so when the illegal human locusts which she supports need places to live will already have the addresses of their new families who supported their arrival. This is how shameful and despicable some of these maggots are on the Congo. And they're not going to stop.
Starting point is 01:34:24 They are not going to stop. They are not. And that's the thing that if those of us, we all knew this. But I'm talking about the rest of the people out there who are skeptical about whether, you know, Trump would change, whether people would come around. They are not going to stop. This is all they have. They have no policies. They have no instruction. All they have are threats of violence. And
Starting point is 01:34:46 it starts from the top down of President Trump and is going down to all of his minions. This is why we are seeing more things happening as it relates to stochastic terrorism, because all people — Trump just has to say one thing, and somebody is going to take it over. You not only have people within the United States who are armed and will get out there and be Biden, like in Aurora, they were going on the streets of Aurora, Colorado, saying, we want our streets back, go back to Venezuela. But you also got people outside of the country. Remember, going back to 2016, Russia, I hope you're able to find. As soon as he says something, the people in the virtual spheres can also start making complaints and noises.
Starting point is 01:35:25 Some of these bomb threats that came into these schools and shut down these hospitals, they could have come from anywhere across the globe. And so that's one of the reasons why FBI has so many problems tracking these people. And so, at every level, yo, we are heading towards violence. The only good thing about this is that Donald Trump is not in power now, because he will try to mobilize all aspects of law enforcement that he has control of, from the National Guard to other places, just like he tried to do when he shut down, tried to shut down the Black Lives Matter rally, to go against us as well.
Starting point is 01:35:54 And I don't know, Roland. I know people are like, well, maybe we need to arm up and so on and so forth. But, look, the number one thing we need to be doing is making sure we're getting to that ballot box, because we have a great opportunity. I know we won't give it away to all of the MAGA people, but we have a great opportunity to put a serious dent in the MAGA movement by making sure Trump does not take office. Because a lot of these guys will know if Biden stays in office. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding.
Starting point is 01:36:30 But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Business Week editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall
Starting point is 01:36:56 Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun?
Starting point is 01:37:25 Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission.
Starting point is 01:37:53 This is Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne.
Starting point is 01:38:52 We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug ban. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Cor vet. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working, and we need to change things.
Starting point is 01:39:11 Stories matter, and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts.
Starting point is 01:39:37 We asked parents who adopted teens to share their journey. We just kind of knew from the beginning that we were family. They showcased a sense of love that I never had before. I mean, he's not only my parent, like he's like my best friend. At the end of the day, it's all been worth it. I wouldn't change a thing about our lives. Learn about adopting a teen from foster care.
Starting point is 01:39:59 Visit adoptuskids.org to learn more. Brought to you by AdoptUSKids, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, and the Ad Council. These guys will be prosecuted. It's like Dr. King said, you can't legislate morality, but you can regulate behavior. And people are going to come after these folks if they don't act right. But if Trump comes in, these guys are going to be free to do exactly what this sheriff said. Renita?
Starting point is 01:40:27 Renita? Renita? Well, that sheriff is completely out of line and out of step. I mean, he's encouraging people to do voter intimidation, which is a crime every place in the country. It also highlights just one of the reasons that people have lost so much faith in law enforcement. Additionally, he also should be careful because sheriff as well as DA are some of the few elected law enforcement positions. So how would he feel if folks wrote down the names of people who were supporting him? So those comments are completely out of line, and I hope that the local community steps up to let him know so.
Starting point is 01:40:59 Julianne? That tweet is so disgusting. And he is an elected official. He should be unelected as soon as he comes back to the ballot. Yeah, actually, he is facing a Democratic challenger in November. Great. And I hope that challenger prevails. But people keep talking about political violence,
Starting point is 01:41:24 but what they're not talking about is evil. I mean, this is evil. What he calls a hyena. Why can't we have civil elections? I disagree with you. You have the wrong point of view. What you're seeing here is the vitriol that Trump created. So he wants to say that Biden-Harris have caused his
Starting point is 01:41:46 assassination attempts. First of all, that's nonsense. But secondly, what he has created is a climate, what he calls people low-IQ individuals, et cetera, a climate where people are demonizing each other. And this is a very good example of that. Frankly, if the Department of Justice was on top of their game, they would investigate this guy because this is beyond hate speech. It's a threat. And you cannot threaten the vice president of the United States with your vitriol. Well, speaking of a threat to the vice president, Libertarian Party nominee
Starting point is 01:42:27 for president, Chase Oliver, condemned a now deleted tweet, a deleted comment from the New Hampshire Libertarian Party on social media that appeared to encourage violence against Vice President Kamala Harris. A New Hampshire reporter shared a screenshot of a since-deleted NHLP post which read, anyone who murders Kamala Harris would be an American hero. The NHLP address removing an earlier post on Sunday writing, we deleted a tweet because we don't want to break the terms of this website we agreed to. It's a shame that even on a free speech website, libertarians cannot speak freely. Libertarians are truly the most oppressed
Starting point is 01:43:10 minority. What the hell? Yeah, what the hell? And what the F? And what the nerve of this person, again, to talk about assassinating an elected public official. Again, disagree with her if you must, but this is over the chain. And again, the Department of Justice needs to start trolling these people, holding them accountable. We do not deserve this level of nonsense. I mean, there have been many assassins on that man. I have a lot to say, but I keep it to
Starting point is 01:43:50 myself because it's just not useful for me to say stuff about people. But how does this pass a smell test? How do we allow this to happen? Well, again, first of all, I mean, their whole point is we should be able to say what we want to say.
Starting point is 01:44:08 Now, his was interesting. You were talking about this earlier. All these Republicans keep talking about, oh, the Democrats and their hateful language saying Donald Trump could be like Hitler. So check out this exchange. It took place on the Fox Business between the Republican, Congressman Mark Green, and Neil Cavuto of Fox Business. I found this back and forth to be really, really interesting on this whole point of threats and things along those lines. And it's amazing what happens when MAGA gets hit with facts.
Starting point is 01:44:41 All right, check it out. Thank you very much. I want to pursue all of this with Mark Green, the Tennessee Republican, is the House Homeland Security Committee chairman, also playing a very crucial role looking at what happened in the last attempt on Donald Trump's life. Congressman, Chairman, always good to have you. You've been hearing a little bit about many of your colleagues blaming Democrats and their rhetoric, Donald Trump doing the same, and that this kind of lit the fuse. What do you think of that?
Starting point is 01:45:11 Well, clearly, you know, Neil, this whole assault, really a lot of false narrative about things that Trump said regarding January the 6th. I mean, he was very clear, peaceful protest. And they have taken it as a political opportunity to bash him and to say that he's anti-democracy and all that. I mean, you look at the incident at Arlington the other day, the things that they said about that, totally wrong, totally not what that president's about. He loves the military. He was there.
Starting point is 01:45:43 He's loved on those 13 family members ever since the incident occurred. They just say all these hateful things about the man. And you can't be surprised when stuff like this happens. So I'm very frustrated with that. I understand where you're coming from, Chairman. And I'm glad Donald Trump survived yet another attempt on his life. But it's not the first time, of course. He has also given incendiary comments, blaming Haitian immigrants for eating cats and dogs. I could go on about talking about babies getting killed after their delivery and saying that his opponents were all for that procedure. Racist comments that some said maybe weren't intended but came across
Starting point is 01:46:25 as that, calling— Well, to fact-check that— The only reason why I'm mentioning—the only reason why I'm mentioning any of this is doesn't extreme rhetoric work both ways, and that Donald Trump himself should be careful with this? Well, look, to fact-check just one of the items you mentioned, the Virginia governor, who was a former physician, did say, I mean, that the bill was to allow abortion up to the point of labor, right, and delivery.
Starting point is 01:46:56 And interestingly enough, the Democrats, I wish the president had mentioned this, every single one of them but one voted to allow abortion all the way up to to labor i mean that is a horrible thing and and 80 something percent of americans i forget the exact number they say that was not the case i do want to expand on this a little bit with you but meanwhile this press he sat there and lied he sat there renita and ran away from the facts that Donald Trump uses hateful rhetoric. Donald Trump has attacked people. Donald Trump has done the same thing.
Starting point is 01:47:33 And this is what Republicans do. All they do is defend. They don't want to call out truth. A little bit later in the show, we're on the third anniversary. It took place September 12th. When I was on ABC News, ABC This Week, when I called out Chris Christie, and I said Republicans have no morals, values, principles, or ethics when it comes to Donald Trump. And we're going to play that for you.
Starting point is 01:47:57 But that's the truth. This guy sat here and did not want to say, yes, Donald Trump should stop using hateful rhetoric and attacks on people. No, all he did was offer excuses and he offered excuses to the insurrection on January 6th, talking as if it was just a walk in the park and a peaceful protest. This is what they do. Wow.
Starting point is 01:48:22 You done rolled the middle. No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait. I said Renita. So Renita, go. Yeah, wait, wait, wait. I said Renita. So, Renita, go. Yeah, absolutely. That guy lied. He lied many times. Number one, I've heard nothing that Democrats have said that even come close to outright
Starting point is 01:48:33 wishing death on elected officials, as we talked about in the tweet where they were saying that someone would be an American hero if Kamala got murdered. The second thing is, is that he mentioned in the clip that Democrats are supporting abortion up until the point of labor. That's not legal anywhere in this country. So there are many lies. And I really hate that the media a lot of times fails to check these people on their lies directly and in time, because it shouldn't be on the viewers to go back and research if an elected official is saying something that's actually true for or not. The media should be correcting them in real time. Makongo?
Starting point is 01:49:15 You know, what's sad about that is that this is what most networks have done with Trump up until around the insurrection. And some are still having people on their shows, you know, and some of CNN, the Scott Jennings of the world, who are still caping for Trump in ways that they shouldn't be. You know, this permission structure that has given Trump the ability to get to where he is, it's also been transferred over to J.D. Vance as well. And the fact that they haven't been called out, as bad as everything that Trump has said and J.D. Vance and all of these Republicans that Ted Cruz has said over the years, the people that are a close second are the media people who gave them a pass, the media people who never challenged
Starting point is 01:49:50 them, who never asked important follow-up questions. And they did this across so many networks until people finally started realizing that this guy was a liar. You were able to call him a liar up front from the beginning. The Karen Hunters, the late Grady O'Manasons were able to call him a liar from the beginning. But these guys dragged their feet and created this opportunity for Trump to be able to say whatever he wants, to be able to get all that unearned media time because they won ratings. Journalists and so-called journalists put us here almost as much as Trump and his ignorant rhetoric has done. And I'm glad that, you know, this guy was called out.
Starting point is 01:50:25 But these situations where they're getting called out are few and far between. And it needs to be happening more, especially as we're getting closer to November. Julianne? The fact-checking needs to happen in real time. In other words, this man lies, lies, lies like a rug he lies. And very rarely does the media call him out on it. There were a couple of instances in the debate last week when Dana Bash, they called him out on it. The ABC team called him out.
Starting point is 01:50:59 There were very few. They called him out three times. He told 33 lies. So the media has to call him out. And if they don't, they ask—oh, well, Congo is absolutely right. They are complicit in his B.S. by allowing him to spew nonsense on a regular. The whole dogs and cats thing has taken on a life of its own because the mayor of that small town has said, this is nonsense. this is not what's going on,
Starting point is 01:51:26 we don't have any reports of this. But he and J.D. Vance continue to tell liars about that. And not only that, J.D. says, well, if I made it up, I just wanted to bring attention to this town. No, dude, you're an MF liar. You are a liar. I mean, you would know the truth and lay down in the bed with you. And so basically what
Starting point is 01:51:47 we're seeing is the acceptance of what Kellyanne Conway uses about our own facts, alternate facts. You have your facts. I have our facts. That is nonsense. So, Roland, you call it out. And that's important. You call it out. And a few others do. Most people are willing to allow this guy to just give away their lies and they're willing to have conversations about the lies. What they ought to say is, you are a liar. Yeah, but they don't even want to
Starting point is 01:52:16 use that particular word. They've been scared to do that for all of these years. Hold tight one second. Hold tight one second. Go into a break. We come back. How many times have I said at the right is not really pro-life. They're actually anti-abortion. We come back. We're going to talk about the story of a black woman in Georgia who died as a result of their hardcore stance against abortion and how it is scaring doctors to provide life-saving care.
Starting point is 01:52:47 That's next right here on Roland McDonald Filtered on the Black Star Network. Back in a moment. He told us who he was. Should abortion be punished? There has to be some form of punishment. Then he showed us. For 54 years, they were trying to get Roe v. Wade terminated, and I did it. And I'm proud to have done it.
Starting point is 01:53:08 Now Donald Trump wants to go further with plans to restrict birth control, ban abortion nationwide, even monitor women's pregnancies. We know who Donald Trump is. He'll take control. We'll pay the price. I'm Kamala Harris and I approve this message. IVF is a miracle for us, because it allowed us to have our family. After having my daughter, I wanted more children.
Starting point is 01:53:33 But my embryo transfer was canceled eight days before the procedure. Donald Trump overturning Roe v. Wade stopped us from growing the family that we wanted. I don't want politicians telling me how or when I can have a baby. We need a president that will protect our rights, and that's Kamala Harris. I'm Kamala Harris, and I approve this message. Here's a 78-year-old billionaire who has not stopped whining about his problems.
Starting point is 01:54:01 Oh, she had a big crowd. Oh, the crowd. This weird obsession with crowd sizes. It just goes on and on and on. America's ready for a new chapter. We are ready for a President Kamala Harris. I'm Kamala Harris and I approve this message. In 2016, Donald Trump said he would choose only the best people to work in his White House. Now those people have a warning for America.
Starting point is 01:54:33 Trump is not fit to be president again. Here's his vice president. Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States. It should come as no surprise that I will not be endorsing Donald Trump this year. His defense secretary. Do you think Trump can be trusted with the nation's
Starting point is 01:54:48 secrets ever again? No. I mean, it's just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nation's security at risk. His national security advisor. Donald Trump will cause a lot of damage. The only thing he cares about is Donald Trump. And the nation's highest-ranking military officer.
Starting point is 01:55:06 We don't take an oath to a king or a queen or a tyrant or a dictator. And we don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator. Take it from the people who knew him best. Donald Trump is a danger to our troops and our democracy. We can't let him lead our country again. I'm Kamala Harris, and I approve this message. The overturning of Roe almost killed me. I had a blood clot in my uterus that caused my labor to have to be induced because of the overturn of Roe v. Wade. I wasn't able to get life-saving
Starting point is 01:55:40 treatment sooner. I almost died. And that's because of the decision that Donald Trump made. I was able to get Roe v. Wade terminated, and I'm proud to have done it. The doctors and nurses were afraid that if they treated me in the incorrect way, that they would be prosecuted for that. And that's appalling. Donald Trump says that women should be punished. Do you believe in punishment for abortion? There has to be some form of punishment.
Starting point is 01:56:06 For the woman? Yeah. I believe that women should have reproductive freedom to make the choices about their own bodies. Four more years of Donald Trump means that women's rights will continue to be taken away one by one by one by one. This has to stop because women are dying.
Starting point is 01:56:23 I'm Kamala Harris and I approve this message. Folks, that particular commercial there from the Harris campaign actually resulted in a real life death. This took place in Georgia. ProPublica dropped this story. Detailed the story of Amber Nicole Thurman, who died of what Georgia officials call a preventable death after being denied an emergency abortion procedure in 2022 after Georgia's six-week abortion ban went into effect. Ziva Branstetter, the senior editor of ProPublica, joins us now from Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Starting point is 01:57:01 Ziva, glad to have you on the show. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up. So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you
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Starting point is 01:59:14 And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. real people real perspectives this is kind of star-studded a little bit man we got uh ricky williams nfl player hasman trophy winner it's just a compassionate choice to allow players
Starting point is 01:59:30 all reasonable means to care for themselves music stars marcus king john osborne from brothers osborne we have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug man. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working, and we need to change things. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them.
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Starting point is 02:00:30 They showcased a sense of love that I never had before. I mean, he's not only my parent, like he's like my best friend. At the end of the day, it's all been worth it. I wouldn't change a thing about our lives. Learn about adopting a teen from foster care. Visit AdoptUSKids.org to learn more. Brought to you by AdoptUSKids, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services,
Starting point is 02:00:52 and the Ad Council. Tell our audience exactly what happened. Yeah, thank you for having me. We feel like this story is very important. What happened in Amber Thurman's case is that this is a hardworking young mother who, you know, found herself pregnant right as Roe was overturned, and she had a surgical procedure scheduled in Georgia. The Georgia courts made Georgia's six-week abortion ban, which is one of the strictest
Starting point is 02:01:25 in the nation, immediately effective as soon as the Supreme Court overturned Roe. She held out hope that that law would be paused, she could get the care she needed at home. She could not. And so she went to North Carolina, where abortion medication is legal. And she obtained it and followed all of the directions that she was supposed to follow, took one pill there, came home, took the second pill about a day later. We obtained her medical records, some information from the family, a summary of medical records that are provided to the state maternal death review committee. A couple of days later, after she took the second pill, the bleeding had not subsided. In fact, it was worse. The pain was
Starting point is 02:02:12 worse. She went to a hospital in suburban Atlanta, and for 20 hours, doctors did not provide the simple procedure that could have removed the remaining tissue from her uterus and cured the raging infection in her body. That's the standard of care in this situation when someone walks in with sepsis and she fully informed them what had happened. We don't know what's in the doctor's minds and why they didn't operate, but for 20 hours, they didn't do the one thing that could have saved her life. And it was too late when they did act. So 20 hours went by. This woman is laying in a hospital bed, in pain, approaching death, and they offer, they know there's a solution.
Starting point is 02:03:00 They know her life can be saved, but they allowed her to lie there in pain and die. Yes, again, Roland, we don't know what was in their minds. She had an infection that continued to get worse. We did talk to experts who said, yeah, the standard of care here would be, it's called a DNC, dilation and curatage. And before, after Roe passed, DNCs were provided for miscarriages, for abortion care, cut the rate of death among especially women of color by 40% in the first year after Roe. So this is a procedure that medical experts know works in these situations. We don't know why they didn't provide it. They did talk about doing a DNC
Starting point is 02:03:45 at least twice during these 20 hours and they didn't do it. And when they rushed her to surgery, it was too late. And she died there in the hospital. Part of the issue here, and we've seen this in other states, where doctors are in no man's land.
Starting point is 02:04:05 They don't know what to do. They don't know because a lot of these states have passed laws that hold them personally liable. And so they're stuck because they understand the Hippocratic Oath. But they're just sort of sitting here hands tied. And these politicians who are not doctors, who are making ideological,
Starting point is 02:04:29 some cases religious decisions on politics are not caring about these people dying. This is where, there was a woman, y'all can find the video, there was a Republican who I challenged on my show last year when I said, you're not pro-life, you're anti-abortion. And so stop saying you're pro-life
Starting point is 02:04:51 because you can't tell me that you're passing laws. This black woman in Georgia died. She's dead. Her child does not have a mother as a result of this law. She was a very healthy young woman. A state committee of 33 experts, including 10 doctors, found that her death was preventable and that the delay at the hospital had a large role
Starting point is 02:05:19 in creating this situation. Recommended that hospitals in Georgia not wait to provide DMCs in these kinds of situations. So, you know, the interesting thing is that these reports are not public. They're not provided to the family. I mean, we had to dig this out. And there are certainly other cases out there like this. In fact, ProPublica is going to tell the story of a second woman, also a black woman, a mother whose death was also real preventable. And we are working on that. You know, we want to, we're going to get it right. And we're working on that as quickly as we can. Happy to come back on the show to tell you. Absolutely. Based upon your report,
Starting point is 02:05:59 have you heard from any Republican lawmakers as a result of your story? We've heard there have been many lawmakers who've spoken out on social media and reached out. I do not believe after this story is published we've heard from Republicans, but I haven't. Today's been busy and we've been trying to keep up with it all. I will say that the governor of Georgia, when this six-week ban passed, said he was overjoyed that this law had passed, that women would be kept informed, they would be safe. And when ProPublica had reached out to him to ask about these two deaths, he said that we were engaging in fear-mongering, which is exactly what they said when advocates tried to block this law two weeks before Amber Thurmond died, folks went to state courts and said women are going to suffer, women could die,
Starting point is 02:06:54 and the attorneys for the state of Georgia said that's fear-mongering. And two weeks later, Amber Thurmond was dead. And then when we reached out to the governor to ask about these cases, we were also accused of fear-mongering. So it seems like a common refrain. I think a fearmongering is stirring up needless concern. This is a woman who's died, whose son is now being raised without her. Absolutely devastating, just devastating.
Starting point is 02:07:20 Ziva, great reporting here. Certainly when y'all have this next story, you're welcome to come back and tell our audience about it. Yes, sir, happy to. Thank you very much. Folks, again, go to ProPublica, pull the story up, go to ProPublica. Folks, I'm telling you right now,
Starting point is 02:07:33 they do absolutely fantastic work. We're now living in a world that not a lot of investigative reporting, but the work they do is fantastic. And so you see, this is the story right here. Abortion bans have delayed emergency medical care and Georgia experts say this mother's death was preventable. And so go to ProPublica.org and check out this story.
Starting point is 02:07:57 I told y'all when I've called out Republicans and conservatives saying they're not pro-life, they're anti-abortion, you might remember the conversation we had on our State of the Union coverage that took place last year. This video has gone viral. It probably has gotten anywhere from 25 to 30 million views every time somebody ran it. And this is exactly what I was talking about when we were addressing this issue. When we talk about aborting babies, like, so you're saying to me that because we support life, actually giving babies the opportunity to live, I'm confused.
Starting point is 02:08:41 But a baby born. I'm so confused. No, no, no. First of all, you know, hold up. You're confused because you think I'm saying something that I'm not. Well, tell me what you're saying. What I'm telling you, I'm being very clear. You cannot say you are pro-life when you vote against prenatal care for the mother.
Starting point is 02:08:58 You cannot say you are pro-life when you vote against Head Start. You cannot say you are pro-life when you do not want to expand Medicaid to keep hospitals open. You cannot say you're pro-life when you have OBGYNs who are not available in your state. You cannot say you're pro-life when you have black women who are
Starting point is 02:09:17 dying at a higher rate during childbirth and you do nothing public policy-wise to fix it. You cannot say you're pro-life if you allow infant mortality rates to be sky high in areas where there are black and brown people. What that tells me is you are anti-abortion.
Starting point is 02:09:34 You are not pro-life because if you are pro-life, you care about the child in the womb and when the child is out. And if you are pro-life, you are standing there with black folks when their kids are killed by cops. You are not silent. So if you are pro-life, you're standing there with black folks when their kids are killed by cops. You are not silent. So if you're pro-life, be pro-life from the womb to the tomb, but not just in the womb.
Starting point is 02:09:52 We talk about black. This right here, Renita, again, this black woman in Georgia should still be alive. Her child should have a mother. And because of hardcore MAGA right wing Christian evangelical evil policies, she's dead. And they make no exceptions for rape and incest. And they have put doctors in an extremely difficult position where they may face years in prison if they actually save someone's life. This is not what should be happening in this country. Absolutely. And so I was still serving in the legislature in 2019 when this bill passed. And this bill does have exceptions in it for rape, incest and for the life of the mother.
Starting point is 02:10:42 But the point is, and this is what everybody in the audience, particularly those in the black community, should understand about these bills. The bills that make these exceptions, it doesn't matter. Because these exceptions, any physician will tell you they do not give them the freedom to treat patients in a way that they previously could before Roe was overturned and before the six-week, the bill to outlaw abortion was passed in Georgia. And the reason is because the bills just use very, I would say, casual language saying, you know, that you can do an abortion when the life of the mother is in danger. But the problem with that is that very simple language is all up to interpretation by each doctor. So think about it this way. Sometimes when people
Starting point is 02:11:25 go to a doctor and doctor says, oh, this is your condition and this is what I think the treatment should be. Commonly people will go to a second doctor to get a second opinion. Why is that? Well, they will do that because they know that you can talk to two doctors and they'll have a different opinion looking at the same medical situation. And so when these bills have exceptions for the life of the mother, it's not as clean cut as it sounds because when one doctor determines, okay, you need an abortion to save your life, another doctor may not feel the same. And so what doctors are doing, and they're telling this, they're reporting this. I actually just finished a research project not too long ago for my
Starting point is 02:12:00 communications firm where I write messages for lawmakers to use. And a lot of the research is saying that since Roe, doctors are saying that they are intentionally waiting longer to do these lifesaving abortions because what they don't want to have happen is that they do the abortion when they know that it's necessary, like in the case of this woman who passed away where she did not receive an abortion, but they would have normally taken that action to give her an abortion and save her life. They don't do that because they want to make sure that, in hindsight, no other doctor will come behind them and say, oh, well, I don't think that an abortion was necessary in this situation.
Starting point is 02:12:34 You could have done X, Y, Z to save her life. You didn't need to do an abortion. And so doctors are intentionally waiting, not because they don't care about patients, but they are now having to balance providing care along with not getting themselves in trouble. And so advocates like myself and others in 2019 told the governor and told conservatives at the time that they were passing this bill that abortion access is not only about whether or not you want to become a parent right now, it is also about the fact that abortion is health care and sometimes you just need abortion to save your life. Almost
Starting point is 02:13:05 20 percent of pregnancies in this country every year end in miscarriage or need to be terminated, and that's just the ones that we know about that are documented on record. So everybody has to stop thinking that all pregnancies just, you know, naturally go well and there's never any complications. Sometimes you as a person who may not even want an abortion may need an abortion to save your life. And that's what happened to this young woman who died unnecessarily. Julianne? What Bernita has said is so very important, especially the fact that the term abortion is a lightning rod when you're really talking about health care. You're talking about taking care of a mother whose child may be compromised and is a danger to her to deliver that child.
Starting point is 02:13:57 And now all these politicians have gotten into the health care business. And if they were not in that business, we would find so many more cases like this case, but they would not have been adjudicated in the public eye. So this is a tragedy. We know it's a tragedy. But beyond it being a tragedy, it's a way that the crazy bag of people get in someone's health care. We need to look at abortion, whatever it happens.
Starting point is 02:14:28 And we should stop using the word abortion. It's a cessation of pregnancy. In other words, the pregnancy has to be stopped to save a mother's life. And in some cases, also to save a child's life. This is tragedy. And unfortunately, we know those people choose to politicize it. And it's wrong. Makongo? You know, it's really important, like you said at the end of your interview with her, that, you know, we need to support organizations like ProPublica that are doing stories like this, real investigative journalism, almost ties to what we were talking about with the Trump issue.
Starting point is 02:15:06 The fact of the matter is that there are incredible people who are out there telling their story at the DNC and MSNBC and here and other networks. And some of them talk about being able to have the resources to be able to get this and get that. But others who come on say they don't have those resources. And this is one of those examples of stories that haven't made the cut because these are people who are already gone. And people are not speaking up for them because they weren't deemed worthy. This sister was in her 20s. And the fact of the matter is we are seeing in real time
Starting point is 02:15:40 the consequences of these laws across the country. Because the fact of the matter is that 33% of women now live in a state that has some type of abortion law like this, but over 50% of Black women do. And so for those of us who really think that this is not an issue, it's just a matter of time before this comes to your door. And these stories are real. These are family members. These are people that we know. And Roland, I was in the room that night when you challenged that Republican sister. And at the end of the day, you are absolutely right. Language matters. I don't call them the right because they're wrong. You can't call them pro-life because they don't care about this
Starting point is 02:16:16 woman. Like you asked the lady from ProPublica, anybody speak up for the Republican Party? So I got to ask the rest of y'all who are on the fence, who are considering not voting or not supporting Vice President Harris, you got women in your family, you got young women, daughters, nieces, wives, anything that they could be raped, different things that could happen, and they can be in this situation. And this could happen nationally if we don't take action now. It is now or never, we have to keep highlighting these stories. Indeed, indeed. All right, folks, hold tight one second. We come back. Three years ago, I called out Governor Chris Christie to his face about how Republicans like him allowed Donald Trump to gain a foothold in American politics. We show this every year. So it's the third anniversary of it. It was actually on Thursday.
Starting point is 02:17:12 A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action, and that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain.
Starting point is 02:17:53 I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibillion-dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated.
Starting point is 02:18:44 I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th and episodes four five and six on june 4th ad free at lava for good plus on apple podcasts i'm clayton english i'm greg glad and this is season two of the war on drugs by sir we are
Starting point is 02:19:18 back in a big way in a very big way real people real perspectives this is kind of star-studded a little bit man man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers
Starting point is 02:19:37 Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug thing is. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette.
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Starting point is 02:20:23 We asked parents who adopted teens to share their journey. We just kind of knew from the beginning that we were family. They showcased a sense of love that I never had before. I mean, he's not only my parent, like he's like my best friend. At the end of the day, it's all been worth it. I wouldn't change a thing about our lives. Learn about adopting a teen from foster care. Visit AdoptUSKids.org to learn
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Starting point is 02:24:29 In 2016, Donald Trump said he would choose only the best people to work in his White House. Now those people have a warning for America. Trump is not fit to be president again. Here's his vice president. Anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States. It should come as no surprise that I will not be endorsing Donald Trump this year. His defense secretary.
Starting point is 02:24:50 Do you think Trump can be trusted with the nation's secrets ever again? No. I mean, it's just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk, places our nation's security at risk. His national security advisor. Donald Trump will cause a lot of damage. The only thing he cares about is Donald Trump.
Starting point is 02:25:07 And the nation's highest-ranking military officer. We don't take an oath to a king or a queen or a tyrant or a dictator. And we don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator. Take it from the people who knew him best. Donald Trump is a danger to our troops and our democracy. We can't let him lead our country again. I'm Kamala Harris, and I approve this message. The overturning of Roe almost killed me.
Starting point is 02:25:33 I had a blood clot in my uterus that caused my labor to have to be induced because of the overturn of Roe v. Wade. I wasn't able to get life-saving treatment sooner. I almost died. And that's because of the decision that Donald Trump made. I was able to get Roe v. Wade terminated, and I'm proud to have done it. The doctors and nurses were afraid
Starting point is 02:25:56 that if they treated me in the incorrect way, that they would be prosecuted for that. And that's appalling. Donald Trump says that women should be punished. Do you believe in punishment for abortion? There has to be some form of punishment. For the woman? Yeah. I believe that women should have reproductive freedom to make the choices about their own bodies. Four more years of Donald Trump means that women's rights will continue to be taken away one by one by
Starting point is 02:26:23 one by one. This has to stop because women are dying. I'm Kamala Harris, and I approve this message. Bruce Smith, creator and executive producer of The Proud Family, Louder and Prouder. You're watching Roland Martin Unkilled. All right, y'all. So we were so busy last week with CBCF and the passing of Frankie Beverly and the debate and everything. So on Thursday was September 12th. And that was the, of course, the day three years ago when I went on ABC this week and they had me of course on the show well with several different people on there including
Starting point is 02:27:12 Governor Chris Christie and remember he had done this big old speech at the Reagan library and all of these people were tired touting his speech and how wonderful it was and how he called out Donald Trump and how he challenged Donald Trump and all this sort of stuff like that. This was the, we had put out the graphic, and this here was the graphic we put out. And so we go on the show,
Starting point is 02:27:42 and I don't have anything to do with the topics they bring up. I had nothing to do with it. And so they decided to talk about, during one of the breaks, they said they were going to talk about his speech. And I remember the sister, Yvette, she was like, y'all going to bring that speech up? And I didn't say nothing. But inside, I was like, oh, hell yes, bring that speech up! Cause I got to light this ass up! Well, that's what happened.
Starting point is 02:28:11 And let me tell y'all, when the show, whoo, when the show was over, my man Christie walked off that set like he had gotten beat with some baseball bats. He was red faced. Man, I found out two days late, he went to the ABC execs and said, this was an ambush. First of all,
Starting point is 02:28:29 how's an ambush? You're a contributor and I'm a guest. Y'all picked the subjects. I had no control over that. He just got mad because I ate that ass up and it trended for four days. It got a million views in 24 hours and it was trending literally four days later. So y'all,
Starting point is 02:28:46 ABC this week ain't invited me back since. I have not been on ABC this week since this happened three years ago. But this is also why you gotta say what you gotta say because you know what?
Starting point is 02:29:01 I'm guaranteed they're gonna invite you back anyway. So this is what happened three years ago on ABC This Week. Chris Christie, he was referring, of course, to former President Trump, also went to a police station in New York yesterday, complained again about the rigged election. You gave a major speech at the Reagan Library this week where you said it was time to face the realities of the 2020 election, renounce the conspiracy theorists and the truth deniers. So you're in a collision course with
Starting point is 02:29:29 former President Trump. No, I'm on a course to try to make sure that my party remains rather relevant in the political conversation in this country. Maybe it is becomes. You're seeing more and more Republicans are now saying they're buying in to the conspiracy theorists yes in the end i do think that's moving in the other direction i mean i think it'll continue to move in the other direction and and what that speech was all about was to repeat what i said with you on election night you know at 2 30 a.m on election night when the president made the speech that he made president trump made the speech that he made i said it was unfounded and there was no evidence of anything like what he was talking about and he needed to stop.
Starting point is 02:30:10 And I've consistently said that since then. And since then it's taken hold among Republicans. It's taken hold among some Republicans, George. But I think what you're seeing over the course of time as this continues to move past election night and the emotion of an election is that more and more people are saying that that's not true. And by the way, it's also incumbent upon all of us in the party who don't believe it's true to speak out because you're not going to convince everybody overnight the same way we're having the conversation about vaccines and you're not
Starting point is 02:30:40 going to convince certain people of certain things. I can't tell you how many conversations I've had with friends of mine who are smart, good people who aren't vaccinated. So are you getting blowback? I mean, listen, a little bit, but much more praise than blowback for the speech. But in the end, that's not why I gave the speech, to either get praise or worry about blowback. You say what you believe.
Starting point is 02:31:01 That's what I try to do here every week when I'm on. And I said what I believed on Thursday night, and it's what I'm gonna continue to believe. I just think for four years we watched Republicans either be silent or be complicit in the building of the monster that is Trump. And even post Trump, there are still Republicans who are bolstering him, supporting him. So I feel like too little too late. The reality is, is real leadership is stepping up to the man at the time he was in the seat and saying that we won't budge. And there was none of that. And unfortunately, I don't know what the future of the Republican Party is. There's so many folks who are now
Starting point is 02:31:33 swinging closely. We think about the 47 states that have legislation trying to keep people from voting based on the big lie that we know was not true. We think about January 6th and the insurrection that happened on the structure of democracy itself and democracy. And there are Republicans who don't want to have an investigation into that. So this Republican party is way far gone. And unfortunately, too little, too late. Hold on. Let me, I want to get another Republican perspective here from Sarah Isker. You know, there's seen debate there. Chris believes the party's over time moving in this direction. If that disagrees. I think that perhaps we will finally see what we didn't get to see in 2016, where there were 17 candidates. Nobody dropped
Starting point is 02:32:17 out so that you could have the one on one versus Donald Trump. Perhaps it looks like Donald Trump is going to run again. We're certainly told that by all of his advisors and by all accounts from him. If it is Chris Christie versus Donald Trump in the Republican primary, Republicans will have a choice. And certainly Donald Trump is in some ways at his weakest that he's been since he left the White House. And in other ways, certainly what he has said and Trumpism has picked up within the party. It will be up to Governor Christie to make
Starting point is 02:32:45 the case that there is somewhere else to go. But I do think if Trump runs, he may be alone in that lane and that could be helpful. I'm sorry, Republican Party, they made their choice. And I appreciate the speech, Governor, but the reality is this. You have to admit, Sarah, you have to admit the role that you played in putting the person in leadership who is driving conspiracy theories. It's one thing to condemn them after the fact, but you have to own up to the role that you played in putting the person in power. The time- We both ran campaigns against him.
Starting point is 02:33:18 No, no, no, no, no. First off, I want to- No, no, first off, I don't have to admit anything to you. Can I finish? First off, I don't have to admit anything to you. And second, I ran against Donald Trump in 2016. You also coached him. You ran against him. But when a person has principles, morals, and values, they do not support them even if you lose.
Starting point is 02:33:40 And what they say is, I choose patriotism and the country over party and power. And the problem was too many Republicans chose power in riding with Donald Trump as opposed to patriotism in America. I'll sleep fine tonight with you judging my morals. Well, guess what? As a voter who has 13 nieces and nephews, what I also want to see in America are Republicans and Democrats who have the guts to stand up to narcissists, to folks who lie, to folks who sit here and lead a country in the wrong direction. And what that man has unleashed on this country, any Republican who stood with him has to own it and accept the role that they played. Yeah, well, that's fine. I'll accept the role that I played in the 2016 election running against him. And I'll accept the role- But you have to let him finish his point
Starting point is 02:34:26 now, let him finish his point. Excuse me, and I'll accept the role that I played in my belief that Hillary Clinton was not the right person to be president. We all get to make choices, Roland, in this democracy. I made my choice, I'm on record of my choice, and I'm not walking away from my choice. But it does not preclude me from being able to be critical when the person that I did support does things that I am against. And so this false choice that you're trying to set up-
Starting point is 02:34:49 It's not false. It's a false choice and one that the American people are not gonna buy either. It's unleashed. Let me just press one other point. Right now, I would argue that the fact that so many Americans can't buy into simple facts is probably the biggest existential threat we face to our democracy. So when somebody speaks up for that, isn't it something to be praised? Facts are critically important. But again, when you support someone who said fake news,
Starting point is 02:35:17 who when you were truthful and then push that, then when you have the networks and the conservative radio talk show host, that whole echo chamber driving that, that's the problem. I am a native of Texas who is still registered there, and I am dealing with Greg Abbott and Dan Patrick who is consistently lying and making things up, and you're dealing with that. I'm dealing with people who are changing textbooks. But do you think that you're going to persuade people? Well, here's the deal.
Starting point is 02:35:42 I have a very basic principle since I've been a journalist. If you do good, I'll talk about you. If you do good, I'll talk about you. If you do bad, I'll talk about you. At the end of the day, I'll talk about you. And somebody has to say what others are afraid to say. Sarah, you get the last word. If you want to persuade half the country that voted for Donald Trump in 2016 to move to your side, then you've got to stop villainizing them.
Starting point is 02:36:03 You've got to stop having these conversations where everyone who is not with you is against you. And when someone says that Donald Trump did something wrong, you may want to consider praising that and trying to use that to persuade the people who are not going to be persuaded by what he said. That is going to have to be the last word just to make it obviously continue.
Starting point is 02:36:20 I'm sure it will in coming weeks. Yeah, they didn't want to continue that debate. Like I said, Christie was hot. He went to the principal's office and whined and complained. And ABC News ain't invited their brother since. Even when the sister, Kim Godwin, black, was the president of the network. But guess what? I don't take back a damn thing I said because everything that I said then has applied. In the three years
Starting point is 02:36:45 since that took place on September 12, 2021, everything I said has come true. You Republicans are standing with this thug. You got Sununu, Chris Sununu, the governor of New Hampshire, who was ripping him during the primaries, standing right now supporting him as well. This is what many of them do. They fall in line. And bottom line, Omicongo, this is their fundamental problem, Republican Party. They do not have any guts whatsoever. Yeah, absolutely right. And to be quite honest, your other clip that you played on abortion, that's also something that's also aged pretty well. I mean, you got all the classics. And when they have the same repeat playbook, we have to make sure that we're repeating it, because they win off of repetition. And they believe that if they just keep saying something long enough that people are going to start believing it. And so when I see people tell
Starting point is 02:37:36 you, Roland, why are you wasting your time on this person or that person? It's because of the fact that you have to counter it, because when people look up their speeches and all of this other ignorant stuff, you're going to be right there on the play next. And the fact that there hasn't been enough fact checking, there hasn't been enough countering these folks in real time, it's how they get over. It's how they continue to get over. And so in every space, whether we're in media, whether we're in our universities, whether we're in our workspaces, whether we're in our social media spaces. When we know the truth, we have to call it out because unfortunately, hearing it from one of us might be the first time these guys actually hear the truth. So many people are in their ecosphere and in their own little silos.
Starting point is 02:38:22 And we have to continue to call out this nonsense because really, I believe, look at Christie. I mean, he's probably going to be endorsing Kamala soon. And these guys ain't never going to apologize to you. They're never going to say Roland was right. But, hey, we just got to keep putting it out there and let the facts speak for themselves. Because nobody can say that black America didn't warn you all about what was coming. Look where we are now. It was funny, Julian, because after that, I swear in 22, 23, Chris Christie was sounding like me. He should have said, my bad.
Starting point is 02:38:50 You were right, Roland. I should have stopped being defensive and said you were right. And so, I mean, literally, ever since then, he's been sounding the same way. I'm like, hashtag, we tried to tell you. You know, Roland, first of all, you were looking good on the shot. I liked the little outfit you had on. Well, you know, I had to hit him with the gray and white pinstripes and the fuchsias, you know, because, you know, I can't wear them bland-ass, boring-ass blue and black suits.
Starting point is 02:39:21 I can't do that. But you look good. I'm going to give you props. You look good, and you got off of the gold and black spit that you often... Don't hate Alpha, Rain, Supreme, even over Deltas. Go ahead and make your comment before I cut you. Go ahead and make your comment.
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Starting point is 02:43:21 Visit AdoptUSKids.org to learn more. Brought to you by AdoptUSKids, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, and the Ad Council. Okay, let's move on to the politics. Chris Christie, all of them are crazy. They're all kissing the ring, and the ring is the devil's ring, and everything you said is correct. These Republicans—and many of them know better. We know many of them. We talk to them offline, and they say, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah. But online, they are in formation with the Trump nonsense. And that's the problem, is that there is no integrity in the Republican Party,
Starting point is 02:44:06 none whatsoever. So they will go along, they will kiss the ring, kiss the feet, kiss the butt, just kiss, because they want to stay relevant. The relevance would be if Republicans would unite and say, this is not who we are. Over the years, I'm, you know, next Sunday I'll be 71. Praise the Lord. I've been doing politics since I was 18. So it's 50-plus years of doing politics. I've had Republican friends and colleagues and great people in my life. But I've never seen this level of acquiescence that you know the devil, you call the devil privately, but then publicly you say, oh, yes, we're going to support him.
Starting point is 02:44:52 And that's where we are. But you called it. It's correct. Chris Christie used to be thought of as a good guy. There are a whole lot of them who used to be thought of as good guys. But now they want to be at the table. They want to have an opportunity. And in having the opportunity, what they really want to do is to kick the American people in the hind parts. That's what's happening. Listen, Renita, you got
Starting point is 02:45:17 some people who are upset. We lost Renita's signal there. Here's the whole deal. You got some people out here who are upset, who are upset that Dick Cheney endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris. And, oh man, this warmonger. Okay, I don't like Dick Cheney. But even a Dick Cheney is saying that I believe in the Constitution so much that this man cannot, under any circumstances,
Starting point is 02:45:58 be back in the Oval Office. So I don't have a problem with a Dick Cheney endorsing a Vice President Kamala Harris and a governor Tim Walz. I don't have a problem with the number of former Reagan officials that have come out. I don't have a problem with 200 people who serve under Trump endorsing vice president Kamala Harris because they are speaking to exactly what I was saying three years ago, that there comes a time when you have to make a decision. And that is, do I have morals, values, principles, and ethics? Do I care more about patriotism, the Constitution, and the country over party and power. And so these are individuals who do not support Vice President Kamala Harris and her policies. But they are making a judgment by saying that this thug, this grifter, this trash of a human being, Donald Trump, should never be allowed not only back in the Oval Office, he shouldn't drive by the Oval Office.
Starting point is 02:47:13 He shouldn't fly over the White House. This man should not, he should not get intelligence briefings. None of these things should happen because he is corrupt and dangerous to this country. And so I have no problem with former, with Republicans. People who are still Republican say, I cannot do it. What I was talking about there was, Renita, was the likes of Bill Barr, who would sit in interviews and trash Trump
Starting point is 02:47:44 and talk about him in a negative way, and then get to the end, yeah, I'm going to still vote for him. What the hell was all you just told me? And that's my point. There is a time when you say that the country and the Constitution
Starting point is 02:47:59 is more important than my party. Yes. Roland. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Renita, hold up. Renita's back. Renita. Okay, cool.
Starting point is 02:48:13 Disconnect around why they can say so many bad things about Trump and then say that I'm going to vote for him is because Trump is still doing the number one thing that they want, which is that he advances white supremacy. And so to me, it is no secret that they can all go and list out everything they hate about him, but they still know that he's doing one thing that's still consistent, is that he is advancing white supremacy, and that is what their vote is based on. It's not based on upholding a constitution.
Starting point is 02:48:40 It's not based on upholding democracy. It's not based on having a country that is not facing civil unrest. It's not based on any of that. It's just based on advancing white supremacy. And so that's what they like about him. He will continue to do that. And that's why I don't give all this credit to Republicans who are now suddenly saying, oh, I can't stand with Trump, because where were you? Black people said from the beginning, when Trump came down the escalator in 2016 that this would
Starting point is 02:49:09 be bad for the country. Trump would be bad for the country. This was not a good idea. They did not listen. They didn't listen to anybody who understood the level of attack that he was going to level against most of the country. They stood with him because, as Dr. Malvo said, they want to be relevant. That's still the case. And as long as he continues to advance white supremacy, they are with it. Well, I have no problem saying that the decision they make today is smart. Like I said, I called Christian others out saying you play the role in this. But as some folk finally woke up and found Jesus, I'm not going to complain about when they were in the club and when they were drinking and they were smoking.
Starting point is 02:49:49 So I can fully accept that. Quick break before we come back and pay tribute to Tito Jackson, who passed away at the age of 70. We'll be back in a moment. IVF is a miracle for us because it allowed us to have our family. After having my daughter, I wanted more children. But my embryo transfer was canceled eight days before the procedure. Donald Trump overturning Roe v. Wade stopped us from growing the family that we wanted. I don't want politicians telling me
Starting point is 02:50:29 how or when I can have a baby. We need a president that will protect our rights, and that's Kamala Harris. I'm Kamala Harris, and I approve this message. Hello, I'm Paula J. Parker. Trudi Proud on the Proud Family. I am Tommy Davidson. I play Oscar on Proud Family, Louder and Proud.
Starting point is 02:50:47 Hi, I'm Jo Marie Payton, voice of Sugar Mama on Disney's Louder and Prouder Disney+. And I'm with Roland Martin on Unfiltered. ¶¶ ¶¶ Tito Jackson, one of the members of the Jackson 5, has passed away at the age of 70. Reports came out last night regarding his death confirmed by his agent. His son's posted on social media. It is with heavy hearts that we announce that our beloved father, Rock and Roll Hall of Famer Tito Jackson, is no longer with us. We are shocked, saddened, and heartbroken. Our father was an incredible man who cared about everyone and their well-being. Some of you may know him as
Starting point is 02:52:16 Tito Jackson from the legendary Jackson 5. Some may know him as Coach Tito or some know him as Papa T. Nevertheless, he will be missed tremendously. It will forever be Tito time for us. Please remember to do what our father always preached, and that is love one another. We love you, Pops, your boys, Taj, Terrell, and TJ. Of course, the Jackson 5 included brothers Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon, and Michael. They were inducted to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1997. They produced several number one hits in the 1970s, including ABC,
Starting point is 02:52:45 I Want You Back and I'll Be There. Also, folks, according to different reports, Tito Jackson was driving from California to New Mexico and suffered a heart attack as he was driving. Maybe if it wasn't for Tito Jackson, there would be no Jackson 5 because he was the one who defied his father who played his guitar. This is what he said in an interview. All right, hold on one second.
Starting point is 02:53:16 I'm gonna get this, reset this here so y'all can actually hear what he had to say. Give me a second. Touch my guitar when I'm at work. He knew we loved that guitar. So he used to say before he went to work, he put it away in the closet in the case and tell us, sit us on the couch and point his finger. Don't you touch my guitar when I'm at work.
Starting point is 02:53:43 You know, so of course, you know, children, that mean you can touch my guitar when I'm at work. So of course, children, that means you can touch my guitar while I'm at work. That's what I heard. So I was playing this guitar for many, many, many months, and my mother would let me play it. She knew I wasn't supposed to play it, but she thought I was making progress and whatever. So one day I broke the string, and I didn't know what to do about it.
Starting point is 02:54:06 I didn't know how to change the string. I didn't know what string I broke or whatever. Couldn't even buy one. He came home, saw the string broke, and was really upset about it, man. He took care of my ass. And then he sat me down and put the guitar in my lap and said, show me what you know.
Starting point is 02:54:22 So here I am playing this guitar and crying. You know, I'm about like seven, eight years old. And he looked at me and said, dang, you're playing just as good as me. So he gave it to me. He gave me the guitar right there on the spot and bought himself another guitar, a better one, of course. But I still have that original guitar. Wow.
Starting point is 02:54:42 Yeah. So he said, he gave me the guitar. He said, I want you to learn every song on the radio So that's what I started doing and I was learning songs by the Isley brothers temptations for whatever and Then Jack Jackie and Jermaine and they were harmonizing and Michael and Marlon were just little bitty things You know, they were somewhere around two, three, four years old playing with little cars, you know what little boys do,
Starting point is 02:55:08 and we'd kick them out the room and that whole thing. Then one day, like a year or two later, we hear Michael singing a little thing in kindergarten, singing Climb Every Mountain. So, man, without that, maybe there would not have been a Jackson 5. A lot of folks have been posting a lot of their remembrances. Smokey Robinson posted on Instagram that he was just doing an interview with Tito last week. And he was also talking about how they perform at a concert.
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