#RolandMartinUnfiltered - MAGA Lies on Black Cities, Dems Slam Kirk Vote, Crockett vs GOP, Record $150M HBCU Gift

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

9.19.2025 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: MAGA Lies on Black Cities, Dems Slam Kirk Vote, Crockett vs GOP, Record $150M HBCU GiftMAGA Republicans say Black cities are more violent, but is that fact or just racist fear-mongering? Michael Harriot brings the receipts to flip that narrative.The House voted to honor White Supremacist Charlie Kirk, but Democrats pushed back hard.  You'll hear AOC's take on this divisive move.Texas Congressman Al Green calls out the GOP's hypocrisy after the House approved the stopgap funding bill. Capitol Hill has been on fire this week.  In our Crockett Chronicles, Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett breaks down the Republicans' version of law and order with Trump's pardoned rapists and pedophiles.  Byron Donalds and Rashida Tlaib go head-to-head about the D.C. takeover.   And crazy Nany Mace got exactly what she asked for from D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser.Huston-Tillotson University is making history with a record $150 million gift from the Moody Foundation, the biggest ever for any HBCU. We'll talk to President Melva Wallace about what this means for their students.#BlackStarNetwork partner: Fanbasehttps://www.startengine.com/offering/fanbaseThis Reg A+ offering is made available through StartEngine Primary, LLC, member FINRA/SIPC.  This investment is speculative, illiquid, and involves a high degree of risk, including the possible loss of your entire investment. You should read the Offering Circular (https://bit.ly/3VDPKjD) and Risks (https://bit.ly/3ZQzHl0) related to this offering before investing.Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV.The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Michael Harris says, that's bullshit. We'll talk to him about that on the show. What the hell were Democrats? including Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries voting for a resolution praising Charlie Kirk the Republicans put up for CBC members voted yes I'm a name all four on today's show progressive Ezra Klein sat down with right-wing ideologue Ben Shapiro and they talked about Obama race and why the Republicans were so against Obama I don't know what the hell Klein was talking about and I damn sure to know what the hell Ben Shephyro and

Shapiro was talking about, but y'all know I got something to say about that. Also, Houston Tillerson College and HBCU and Austin, Texas gets $150 million donation. I will have the president right here on the show. Lots of more we're going to talk about, so let's go. It's time to bring the funk. I'm rolling mark unfiltered. On the Black Star Network, let's go. He's got whatever the miss, he's on it, whatever it is, he's got the scoop, the fact, the fine.

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Mayor Brendan Johnson, Los Angeles, Mayor Karen Bass, Brandon Scott in Baltimore, Memphis, Paul Young. We can go on and on and on. It's amazing how he never brings up cities run by white mayors

where they have crime. Well, they always are pushing this idea that these large Democrat-run cities are just hotbeds of crime and that there's no crime like in these cities unlike any other. Yet Michael Herod, the editor-in founder of contrabandcamp.com, said, that's bullshit.

He joins us right now. Michael, glad to have you back on the show. So, what don't you go through? So what were you, because we see this. And matter of fact, you know, Charlie Kirk, boy, he made a living off of this going on college campuses, going on Jubilee, everywhere else, just running off and reciting all of these facts, all of these facts about black on black crime and the Democratic cities and how it's so awful, so bad, it's so terrible. And Donald Trump runs with that. Democrats were on Capitol Hill this week, grilling the mayor of Washington, D.C., and others saying the exact same. same thing, but you found something

different? Yeah. So I actually started this. I'm not in response to Charlie Kirk, because I don't think, like, this took so long that it couldn't have been done that quickly. I started this before just to, you know,

you've heard that rhetoric. And so I started looking into it into the stats. Again, I always have to remind people that, like, you know, my career started as an economist, as that's what I taught in colleges across the country. And so what we found was that, first of all, one of the reasons we need to be teaching people

civics lesson is that really there is no such thing as Democrat-run cities, right? Like, cities don't make the law that govern crime, right? Cities don't control the law. Even in large cities like New York, the state legislatures write the crime, the government, right, the laws, the state legislatures fund policing efforts. They fund the police academy in the states. So like mayors and city councils have very little to do with crime. If anything, they hire the police officers.

And, you know, I always give my spiel here. Police officers do not prevent crime. They enforce the law that's already written. So the thing is that even in these so-called Democrat-controlled cities where crime is high, they're usually in red states. Sixteen of the cities with the highest crime rates are in Republican or red states. And, you know, four of them are kind of in Republican red states, but the legislature is split. You know, they have Republican governor. One branch of the Republican, the House, I mean, of the legislature is Republican control,

but they might have another branch that has a slight Democratic majority. But only four of the worst most violent cities are in, you know, blue states. And the other thing we should know is when they always bring up Chicago, when it comes to violent crime, Chicago is 121st on the list. But because it's the third largest city in America, they love to pull out those statistics. So, you know, a combination of learning civics and actually knowing math is how you find out that most,

crime occurs in red states and like most of the crimes are in majority white Republican-controlled cities one you broke up for a second what are you basing the data on so when you're talking about something

what are you basing that on so I use two specific databases right so one I use the same database that they like to cite when they talk about black people being so violent, the FBI uniform crime reporting database. Now, instead of using the one about arrest, because we know how flawed arrest can be, that just determines, that's just determined by police arrest.

The FBI also has a database on reported crime. So all of the crime that's reported, whether it's solved or not, whether they arrest someone or not, I use that database. And the other database that I used, aside from the census, is the, American Council of State Legislatures they do a monthly report on who controls each state's legislature and governorship.

So those are the, that's the data I use, government data. So what's amazing to me is this wasn't hard for you to find. Why is it so hard for Democrats not to put out their own list of top 10 deadliest cities and show they're red?

one, I don't know why. And the other thing is, I mean, if you've ever, you know, passed by MSNBC and, you know, sadly caught Joe Scarborough talking about black on black crime in D.C., because one city is deadly, like, people know what they experience. So a lot of people feel like if you talk about where the crime actually occurs, you're dismissing the, people, because everybody is concerned about crime in their city. And, you know, there's years of Gallup research that shows that most people, whether they're black or white, wherever they live, they feel like crime is getting worse. And it's not true. Like crime has been on the decline since the 1990s. But I think that's partly why. And partly because, you know, the Democrats use white advisors and PR firms that advise them against it. We've seen U.S. when I have seen Democratic firms like Blue Rose Research tell them, hey, don't talk about DEI, don't, because it doesn't poll well, don't talk about the crime or Trump sending troops to Washington, D.C.,

because it doesn't poll well. So they keep chasing these so-called moderate white voters who never somehow show up in the ballot box, right, or in the voting booth. And that's partly why, right? because the Democratic Party is still a white-controlled party who believes a lot of the nonsense, like crime is in Democrat-controlled majority black cities. Yeah, and also because it's been told so many times, folks just go, they just got to be true. Yeah, yeah, I think that's a lot of it, too.

Like, these white supremacist narratives have been repeated so much that they become truth, right? And so we know that that's not true. Like when you look at, they always cite the arrest statistics. Well, we know, like, police only arrest about 2% of people who are responsible for crime. So you're telling me that police who they arrest, like these dudes who train for six weeks, are giving a gun on a badge and sent out on the streets, they are the most effective determinants of who is committing the crime. And what we find is that crime occurs where police control because they determine who they arrest. And we say, well, that's a high crime area because they target black people.

But in reality, if you look at where crime is reported, it's not specifically where black people live. It's usually in places with stuff like lax gun laws, low education, people who don't have people, places with high unemployment rates. and those places just happen to be in red states. So how do we change this narrative? I mean, and so is it just constantly, you know, just lighten up the folks like Joe Scarborough, Morning Joe? How do we change it? Because that is the narrative.

Like doing what you do, right? Like you light them up and you have to write it. And you don't just light them up and say, you're stupid or that's racist. You light them up by saying what you're saying is not true. What you're saying is false. Now, if you can prove to me that crime is worse in this Democrat-controlled city, right? I always ask people, like, give me your zip-call, and I'm going to see how the crime is in your city, right? And when they find out that, oh, the crime rate is just as high wherever these white people live, then they change their tune, right?

But the other way we can do it is I believe in the, you know, being trusting journalists, right? I believe in the theory of there's this concept called the necessary of existence, right? Like when people like you do shows like this and say, hey, that thing that you always believe, it's not true. This will be on the internet forever. This article will be on the internet forever, right? And so whenever somebody else decides to look up, is it true, they're going to go, this is going to come up in their Google search. That article is going to come up in their Google search, and then they can know the facts. And that's why it's important to trust journalists.

And there's a difference between journalists and content creators and just people who say things like Joe Scarborough. Absolutely. Well, great breakdown. Folks, go to contrabandcamp.com. Contrabandcamp.com to check out Michael's story. You see it says right there, our Democrat-controlled black city is more violent.

Here's what the data says. And also, folks, do us in favor, support independent black-owned media. subscribe to contrabandcamp.com. And trust me, we need more of that because this is what we're facing. We're facing right wing who is controlling so much of media. You got folk who just live lately on television, on digital, on social, and very few folks want to correct them, and I'm a firm believer.

The data is the data. So don't try to sit here and say one thing is the truth when it's really not. Michael, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thanks for having you. On my panel, Matt Manning, civil rights attorney at Corpus Christi, Michael Imhotep, host African-African Network show out of Detroit. Joining me right now in studio, Robert Tillo, civil rights attorney.

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That doesn't count as violent crime. So when we talk about framing these subjects, we are really talking about poverty. Because when we talk about high crime areas, we're talking about high poverty areas. The number one determining factor after 15 years in court defending people that I can tell you is the one determining factor is your zip coding your income when it comes to crime. And if we worked on dealing with housing, dealing with education, dealing with the price of food, dealing with universal health care, those crime numbers go down a whole lot more than mass incarceration and putting troops into streets. But they don't want to deal with those fundamental issues, Matt.

And it's always, hey, lock them up, throw away the key. that's how you solve it, and we know what that really is about. That is a short-term high that makes people say, look at them. They're just something about crime when, no, that's not actually what is going to drive crime down. No, so it's about lock them up and throw away the key for the other people and not me. Like I've said on this show, people just said in my office when I was a prosecutor, and the same people I would see on social media saying the DA's office is too weak would be the ones who were coming in my office asking for an exception for Muffy

because she got a DWI leaving the local college. I mean, the reality is they want the other people to be policed. And I think Robert hit the nail on the head. I mean, I was kind of hoping Michael got into that a little further, but he kind of alluded to it. When he talked about a lot of the other metrics, crime doesn't happen in a vacuum. And we know that when it comes to policing and arrests, police tend to be considerably more arrest-heavy in the areas of town where they don't think that people there either have political power or have socioeconomic status or have been forgotten by the city, as is true, across this country.

and they arrest a lot more there than they do in the rich part of town. Let's just be straight up honest. How many times have I read a police report where the cop tells some rich kid that, you know, go ahead and get out of here and they're going to snuff the weed out on the ground, but on the west side of town, they're hooking that kid up every day of the week for weed. I mean, that's just the reality of it, and we don't have that kind of nuance when we have these conversations. It's really about a lot more than whether your mayor is Democratic or Republican, and it's really

just dishonest. I mean, it's disingenuous because there's so many other things that determine that. And what it's about is about dog whistling. It's about saying black or non-white or brown some other way than just saying black or non-white, right, or brown. I mean, it's about all the other metrics and all the other things than saying that that's not the truth. The truth is that crime is, first off, primarily committed by people against people of their own race. And secondly, the police have a completely different approach in different parts of town. And that is going to obviously correlate to the disparity in how things look.

But even there, they're not honest about the data. And I'm glad that he tried that out in the segment before. Absolutely. And Michael, what we see here, listen, we got white execs in media, white hosts and media who don't want to ex-perseid the data because they believe it, too. Well, yeah, not only do they believe it, but they make money off of pushing these lies. Okay? So, number one, excellent work by Michael Harriet.

Number two, if we look at this piece, because I've been talking about this for the past couple of weeks, there was a piece from Newsweek.com called High Crime in Republican Cities, fueled by guns, inequality. And one of the things they talk about that oftentimes goals overlooked is that in a lot of Republican states or Republican cities, what have you, You have lower taxes in Republican areas. This may also lead to less funding for police, which helps fuel crime, but less police to catch the crime. Okay? So you have that. Another thing is in a lot of cities that Republicans or conservatives like to say, oh, it's a Democratic city, when it comes to mayor, it's nonpartisan.

So if you are a Republican who has better ideas, you can run for mayor as well in that city, okay? Some cities are different, but a lot of cities, mayor, is nonpartisan. So it's also plays into this white supremacist narrative and stereotyping African Americans as having a proclivity to committing more crimes. But at the same time, you look at J.D. Vance, Junior Varsity Vance, he was just here this week in Howell, Michigan, which is known to be associated with the Ku Klux Klan. That's a whole other conversation. But he said to Governor Grinchin-Wittmer, she wasn't there. but he said, just say the word, and we'll send the National Guard into Detroit, okay? He didn't talk about the millions of dollars in community violence intervention grants

that were cut nationwide, and many of that was cut here in Detroit. He didn't talk about the safer streets and safer communities, $811 million in grants that the Trump administration cut from the Biden administration that was helping bring non-crime nationwide, including Detroit. So this is how many people see us. So this is why we have to understand how elections have consequences why media platforms like yours is so important role. Well, again, we know how white media works.

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which matches, of course, H.T.'s 150th anniversary. This is one of the largest donations ever, ever given to an HBCU. And so their president has been smiling and beaming and excited since this announcement came down. and so I'm sure she is still on cloud nine as a result of this gift. Dr. Melva Wallace Jones is right now. What's up?

Hey, Rayleigh, who are you? I'm doing good, doing good. So tell us about this donation. How does this come about? Oh, my gosh. So it is a donation from the Moody Foundation. And, of course, to celebrate our sesquicentennial 150 years, I guess they felt that it was befitting

that they matched the years of service that we have been committed to educating people in this community. So, yeah, $150 million from the Moody Foundation. Now, had you and you and others, had y'all been talking to them, had y'all laid up your master plan? Was this over a period of time? or do they just wake up and say,

I think we'll get them $150 million. Well, I don't know if anybody just wakes up and decides to drop $150 million, but, you know, it's a testament to writing the vision and making it plain. So what we did was, in 2022, when I first arrived, we started with a strategic plan called from first to foremost.

For those of you that don't know, Houston Tilton University, is the third oldest business in the city of Austin. And in addition to that, we are the oldest institution for higher learning here in Austin, Texas. So that means we decided that we would go from just being known as going first, being the first institution of higher learning, to going to the foremost institution in this country. So we wrote the strategic plan, we started on a master plan, and from there really became intentional about building partnerships to help us reach the goals that we had outlined in our strategic plan and in our master plan.

plan? Obviously, it's private. Obviously, you're there in Austin. You've got that little small school as a Texas end of graduate. We call it T.U. Texas University there as well. So, you know, in Austin, I mean, Houston-Tillison obviously gets overshadowed by the hideous orange behemoth. So, yes, yes, right. I'm very petty when it comes to, when it comes to that little school in Austin. I love it. But the thing here is when we talk about where y'all are, again

you also don't have a large black population in Austin as well. So it's a lot of things that are at disadvantage. And so since you got there, since you arrived there, and there were

a bunch of the places that wanted you be president, but what was it about this school and what did you see that can be built? there that the Moody Foundation say, you know what, we like this vision? Yeah, so the exciting part about it, and I tell students this all the time, when you think about

what higher education means, especially the black folk, which I am very passionate about, is, you know, you have to think of the pathway. It's not just going to college, which is great, but what's the pathway to the workforce? And so we've been very intentional. As a matter

of fact, online u.com has ranked Houston Tulis and University university as the number one HBCU in the country for putting students in the highest wage jobs immediately after graduation. That, to me, is the job of higher education. So as we think about what we're doing here, and again, being very intentional, it is thinking about how do you get students from freshman year to career ready and not just going into jobs to work in a cubicle and to have these entry-level positions,

but it's really for us, we think about how we create black wealth and how we ensure that black and brown communities are prepared to not only go into the workforce, but to create workforce opportunities. Your majors, so what is your dominant education focus? Yeah, so we are a small private liberal, I call it a small private boutique liberal arts college.

So, and right now with AI and technology, it's in vogue, right? And being in Austin really helps. So we are the tech hub, and Austin is known as the Silicon Valley of the South. And so with that in mind, we have a lot of STEM majors, business majors, you know, computer science. And this year alone, our graduating class, I know we had about 10 to 15 graduates who signed six-figure contracts as their first job. One young man in, I was going to say his name, but I don't want y'all trying to borrow money from him. But he is, he graduated and signed a $250,000 contract. This is his first contract straight out of college, 19 year old kid who has never lived anywhere else besides his mama's house

and the dorms here at Houston Tillson University. So those are the majors. And we're, you know, again, very, very, very strategically focused on preparing our students to create the workforce and especially integrating AI and technology. And our students are really getting into it. When we compare, I mean, how many other HBCUs have gotten gifts this large? This seems to be the largest gift to an HBCU, you know, that is out there. And not just to an HBCU, I think Spellman received last year a $100 million gift, which was the largest. And I'm going to tell you the back story to this. They originally told me that we were going to get a gift for $130 million. $130 million. So on, you know, we're preparing and working with our marketing firms and

both the Moody team and the H.T. team, you know, working with a joint marketing firm to help us, you know, amplify the message. And on the day of, on yesterday, Ross Moody, who is an incredible friend, and Ellie Moody, who is almost, you know, I mean, she's like a sister to me now. They announce $150 million. And Roland, I'm going to tell you, I honestly thought that he had made a 40-and-slip. I'm like, oh, my God, he has accidentally said $150 million. And he looks over, if you go back to the live stream, he leans over, and they're both looking at me. And they're like, gotcha.

and they had gone back. And even after we had, you know, agreed upon this, you know, they had agreed to bless us with this $130 million gift, they saw the potential and the plans and the things that we want to do and decided on their own to increase that gift even more and announce at the podium $150 million. Because if you see some of our posts,

we were prepared and had scheduled posts for $130 million. And I said that was a good correction to make that we were happy to have our marketing teams go back and correct $130 million to say $150 million. So a great, great, great day. Yeah, I would say that's pretty damn cool to get $20 million added to it. Yes, right.

I mean, I'm like, look at God. won't he do it? He will do exceedingly abundantly above all we can ask and think and it's just a testament of the generosity of people but it's also a I believe it's their commitment to education which is so important

to you know to them and their family so forever grateful to Ross and Ellie Moody and to the entire Moody Foundation and for folks this is the this is the announcement on the website

Houston Tillotson University receives a historic $150 million gift from the Moody Foundation, the largest gift to a single HBCU in history. Let's go, questions from our panel. I'll go to Matt, you first. Let me first say, Go Rams. I think I'm the only native Austinite

on this panel, Dr. Wallace. So thank you to H.T. for what y'all done all these years. I spent many, many times up at H.T. Before I went off to college myself. So congratulations, and thank you for being the Beacon of Austin, the Beacon of East Austin. My question for you, though, is the Moody Foundation. This is the same Moody Foundation that gave that school up the road that my parents went to,

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And how did you kind of decide what the school is going to use the money for in terms of investments? I know part of that's going to be new dorms and other things, but what are your list of priorities as it relates to this investment? Yeah, fantastic question. So the Moody Foundation relationship is not new to Houston-Tillotson University. It is not new at all. As a matter of fact, in the 1960s, the Moody Foundation, they're the only living eponyms that we have on campus.

And all of our buildings are, you know, like most university campuses, the building is named after someone. But they are the only living eponyms that we have with a building with their name on it. So we have the Jackson Moody Building, Humanities Building, that is here on campus. So the relationship was there. And that's a testament to saying, especially to other universities and HBCUs, thinking about where the relationships are currently and finding ways to reengage those donors. And, you know, Ross Moody, in all of his brilliance, you know, just knowing about our institution and, of course, us operating in excellence every single day, decided to contact us to discuss and to discover how we, might partner on something really special. And when you think about the matching, you know, the gift and saying, okay, $130 million to UT

and then him upping the ante because he really wanted to show, and the Moody Foundation really wanted to show their commitment to this university and the commitment to this HBCU. And I will also add, just when you think about the gifts, $150 million, yeah, it's a big number for HBCUs. but in the scheme of all higher education, this is from our research, I think we're in the top 20 or 30 universities

to receive this type of gift. And when you're asking about what we plan on doing with it, part of it is for infrastructure. We can't continue to look like what we've been through. Okay? And so for us, it's building state-of-the-art student apartments for our students, as well as student scholarship.

My goal is to ensure, and it aligns with the Moody's, that we can put students into the workforce with as less debt as possible. As less debt as possible. That's the goal. Robert. I want to talk about this idea that you said earlier about being almost a boutique university.

I love that idea of being boutique, being luxurious, being artisanal, being small batch, being almost this luxury lifestyle brand of universities. Can you kind of expand on that for people who have never heard the concept? Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, what I appreciate about this ecosystem that we call Houston Tillotson University is that, yes, we're located in a metropolitan city, the capital of Texas. And I look right out of my window, and I see the capital.

We're located downtown. It's a gorgeous view. And I can look at the Indeed Tower and I see all of the technology. But when you come on our campus, you feel the boutique nature of the experience that is exclusive. And it's exclusive to those who desire to have an education that is rewarding not only while you are a student. We all know that the HBCU lifestyle is fun. and it's energetic and it's, it's amplified on social media to be this, you know, just the excitement around what HBCUs mean, what HBCUs mean, but at our university, we really hone in on

the family and the close-knit nature and the connectivity of what we do on our campus. And so I like to refer to it as the boutique college field. Michael? Dr. Wallace, I know you said that two of the major chunks of the $150 million will go to housing and scholarships, scholarships to bring down the cost of education for students. But I was also wondering, you mentioned technology a minute ago. I was wondering if you could talk about a little bit of what you envision as far as investments into various departments, acquiring new technology, new labs, different things of this nature. I appreciate that question because we like to believe that we are leading in that space.

This year we started the HBCU AI con. The HBCU AI conference was a brainchild of mine because I have been going and speaking at a lot of conferences about AI in higher education. And, you know, although I was going to a lot of national conferences, not a lot of people who looked like me were at these conferences. So I knew that, you know, being in the HPCU space, we have to be at the table as we're having these discussions. So we created the HBCU A icon, and to be quite honest,

I thought it would be cool if I had 50 or 60 people that showed up to Austin and we would have this little teensy South by Southwest experience, and we would check a box and all would be well. well, 500 people showed up. And it was absolutely incredible. So, yes, we're doing our best to keep up with the forefront of technology. But as you know, tech is changing at the speed of light. And, you know, my belief is that in the next two years, this world would have advanced, you know, technologically, 30 years.

And we have to be at the forefront of that. So absolutely, in this master plan, it addresses technology. technology efforts, making sure that what we build is not being built for today, but it is being built for tomorrow and what that looks like. All right, thank you. Last question. We've known each other for a number of years. There were a number of used to be at Southern University in Shreveport, Shreveport, right?

And a lot of, so there were a number of HBCUs were trying to want you to be president, and you were like, nah, you passed on several. Why did you pick Houston Tillerson, and I'm sure your folks there, your board is trying to make sure that you stick around? Yeah, you know, there are a couple of things that come to mind, and I want to say this to all of those who are parents of students who are in the college choice process, as well as students who are thinking about going to college.

It is, you know, it's an entire concept that you must consider one, is that it's in a metropolitan city. Most of our top universities, I mean, if you take, you know, Baylor, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, these are in cities where there aren't a lot of workforce opportunities in the city itself. I mean, if you go to Ole Miss, who wants to be in Oxford, Mississippi? I mean, it's a tough town to have an internship. It's a tough city to get the experiences that, especially students who are attending an HBCU, it becomes very difficult to get those experiences outside of the classroom.

So I was really drawn to the metropolitan city, especially Austin. You know, the things that are happening here, the innovation, the technology that's happening. I felt that this institution had so much potential and had been, so successful in the past that I felt like that there was a lot of opportunity to marry

the partnerships that are here along with the institution so that we could truly do something special and that would be very unique and possibly something that we had not seen before in higher education. All right then. Well, again, huge congratulations

to you and the Houston Tillerson family. and was it a couple of years ago I was there when I spoke on campus it was a couple of years ago so enjoy it there and of course I had been to the campus many times when I worked

with the Austin American Statesman just out of college as well so Houston Tillis is not new to me at all so congrats on $150 million and I look forward to coming back to campus I can't wait we'll do it again another time when I get the next $150 million How about that? There you go

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This is Reggie Roth-Fiwood. You're watching. Rolling Martin, unfiltered, uncut, unplugged, and undam-believable. You hear me? Well, folks, the House passed this resolution, praised the life and legacy of white supremacist Charlie Kirk. He was gunned down, speaking at a university in Utah. It got out 310 votes, but a lot of people are saying what the hell was going on

because you had 58 Democrats voted no. but you had 38 that actually refused to vote as well. You see the vote totals right there. And so, again, you had 95 Democrats vote, yes. Among them, Democratic leader, Hakeem Jeffrey. In addition to Jeffries, you had three other CBC members who voted for the particular resolution. This, of course, as folks asking some serious questions,

why in the hell were Democrats actually do this? Did it make any sense whatsoever? Now, I'm going to pull up right now for you the actual vote. So you see right here, this is the blue. So this is the total number of people who agreed on the resolution right here. All those are red or Republicans that you have the blue.

So when you go through here, you see names. Pete Aguilar, California. You've got Judy Chu, you've got, look at here, Henry Quaylar, you got Don Davis, CDC member out of North Carolina. He voted yes for this. You got Debbie Dingell voted yes as well. You got Steny Hoyer of Maryland. He voted yes.

You see Democratic leader, Hakeem Jeffries voted yes. Also on this list, you see the likes of Ted Liu. You see Congressman Gregory Meeks, another CBC member. He voted yes. Jared Moskowitz, Gerald Natler, Frank Pallone, you've got Jamie Raskin, he voted yes. Pat Ryan of New York, he voted yes. David Scott, which he's in a plus 42 point Democratic district. He voted yes as well.

And then when you look at the other names here, Congresswoman Debbie Wassman-Schultz, former head of the DNC, also voted yes. Now, if we go down here, these are the Democrats that vote. voted no, and you see a ton of CBC members down here. At the bottom here are the people who actually, now these are the group that voted present. All my Adams of North Carolina voted present. And then when you go across here, Janelle Bynum, you go right around here. You see Lloyd Dogg. You see Dwight Evans.

Another CBC member, Lois Franco, you see, you go right around here, Rokana, Jennifer McClellan, another CBC member out of Virginia. a plus 32 district. Let's see here. You see the other names right here. And then we go over here. These are the folks who did not vote. You see four Republicans did not vote.

Then you see Joaquin Castro, Steve Cohen, representing black folks there in Memphis. Robert Garcia, the House Oversight Ranking Member, not voting. George Latimer, Joe Negase, a CBC member out of Colorado. Nancy Pelosi did not vote. Jan Shikowski, Illinois, did not.

vote. Melody Stansbury, Eric Swalwell, Richie Torres, New York, Mark Visi, another CBC member out of Texas, Eugene Vindman, did not vote as well. Let me just put it as clear as possible. Shameful. Yes, shameful for CBC members. First of all, it's shameful for all the Democrats who voted for this resolution. But even more shameful that the House Democrat leader Hakeem Jeffries, and Gregory Meeks voted for this. Don Davis. Now, he's in a plus three red district, but it doesn't matter. How about having some conscience? How about having some integrity when it comes to voting here? This to me is beyond shameful. It is utterly ridiculous because, again, you can vote against. And also, David Scott.

And I call out Meeks and Scott both by Brad Brothers. Hakeem Jeffers, he's a Kappa. I'm going to call him out. It's different if the resolution dealt with the issue of political violence. But Republicans are treating Charlie Kirk like he was a martyr. And you can't overlook the stuff that Charlie Kirk actually said, especially about black people. And there were members who went to the floor who spoke his word before this vote taking place, including Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Today, the Republican House Majority brought to the floor a resolution honoring, quote, honoring the life and legacy of Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk's assassination was a horrific and vile attack and incident of a political violence. And condemning the depravity of Kirk's brutal murder is a straightforward matter, one that is especially important to help stabilize an increasingly unsafe and volatile political environment where everyday people feel more at risk. We can deeply disagree and come together as a country to denounce the horror of this killing. And it is not a license for the abuse of power and whitewashing of American history. Today's resolution only underscores the majority's recklessness by choosing to author this condemnation and honoring on a purely partisan basis, instead of uniting Congress in this tragedy with one of the many bipartisan options to condemnation.

them political violence and Kirk's murder, as we did with the late Melissa Hortman. Instead, the majority proceeded with a resolution that brings great pain to the millions of Americans who endured segregation, Jim Crow, and the legacy of bigotry today. We should be clear about who Charlie Kirk was, a man who believed that the Civil Rights Act that granted black Americans the right to be. to vote was a mistake, who after the violent attack on Paul Pelosi claimed that, quote, some amazing patriot, unquote, should bail out his brutal assailant, and accused Jews of controlling, quote, not just the colleges, it's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood,

it's all of it, unquote. His rhetoric and beliefs were ignorant, uneducated, and sought to take. disenfranchised millions of Americans, far from the working, quote, working tirelessly to promote unity, unquote, asserted by the majority in this resolution. It is equally important that Congress does unite to reject the government's attempt to weaponize this moment into an all-out assault on free speech across the country, all in the name of Charlie Kirk, President Trump and the FCC are now cynically threatening to shut down ABC and any outlets who give airtime to the administration's political critics. This is a disgusting attack on the American people and the very

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And with that, I yield back to the gentleman. Robert, you work for Congressman Jonathan Jackson. me, this is a no-brainer here, voting against this. And voting no on this, it's not like Republicans say, oh, you don't care about political violence, no. But to vote for this and how it was written, and I read the entire resolution yesterday, how old patriot, family man, Christian,

they're trying to create a martyr, and I'm sorry, you cannot ignore the stuff, the venom that came out of his mouth. Look, you have to look at how they wrote the bill. I'm going to read directly from the bill. They say whereas The hate... Yeah, I read the whole bill yesterday.

The whole thing. I think the people need to hear you. Whereas a heinous act of violence is a sobering reminder, growing threat of political extremism, and hatred in society, politically motivated violence is antithetical to the principles of the Republic and the difference opinion and debate should not be silenced. They wrote it in such a way. I got it in such a way.

They have wrote it in such a way that they want any Democrat in a swing district to have to have to rest on a vote saying that they were against heinous acts of political violence being a bad thing. And Speaker Jeffries is singularly motivated. He was like a Terminator. He is singular motivated to make sure he maintains every single seat that he has in the House and that pits one of the half dozen in order to make sure the Democrats get the majority into the 2026 election. We cannot take the risk of being painted as the BLM anti-crime Antifa Party when you're talking about those people in the supplement.

Got it. Here's the problem. Go to my iPad. This chart here shows you these districts, okay? Plus 39, plus 17, plus 31, plus 13, plus 35, plus 11, plus 11, plus 24, plus 26, plus 16. Now, Jim Costa is plus 3.8. Henry Coyar is a Republican plus 7.3. Don Davis is plus 3.2.

But let's go right here. plus 15, plus 13, plus 28, plus 5, plus 23. I'm looking at plus 23, plus 11, plus Steny Hoyer, it's plus 33. Jared Huffin is plus 45. Jeffreys is plus 44, okay? Rick Larson, plus 23. John Larson, plus 22. I'm going to go up here.

Susie Lee, Republican plus 0.7. Mike Levin, Democrat, plus 7.8. Sam La Cardo, California, plus 48.5. Ted Lou plus 39 Zohloffin plus 29 Stephen Lynch plus 25 Sarah McBride plus 14 Now I'm skipping everybody

Who's under 9? Okay, but Morgan McGarvey plus 18 James McGovern plus 20 Congressman Gregory Meeks plus 41.8 Joseph Morel plus 18 Kelly Morrison plus 21 Richard Neal plus 13 John O'Suski plus 18

Jimmy Panetta plus 34 Scott Peters plus 29. Jamie Raskin plus 55.8. Luz Rivas plus 34. Deborah Ross plus 33. Bradley Schneider plus 22. David Scott, Georgia,

plus 42.4. I guarantee you they're going to use that against him when he's running for re-election. Mikey Sherrill, who's running for Governor in New Jersey, plus .887. plus 41, then I go over here, Haley Stevens plus 16,

Lori Trahan plus 18, Juan Vargas, plus 21. Michael, these folks have no damn excuse. Yeah, Roland, you know, I looked at the pros and cons of this. I read the article from Reuters where Jamie Raskin was telling Democrats to avoid the trap,

don't fall into the Republican trap, vote for the bill. I'm glad you read the bill yesterday. I watched your show yesterday, and I read statements from the Congressional Black Caucus members saying why they could not vote for this bill, okay? And I would have to go with them. You know, if I was, you know, I'm not an elected official, never will be, but if I was, I couldn't vote for this white nationalist bill that is going to be a National Day of

remembrance for Charlie Kirk. And looking at the negative things he said about black people, especially black women. We look at the professor's watch list he had that also encouraged his followers to go online and attack African-American professors like Dr. Stacey Patton. Okay? Now, even though we're calling out the Democrats who voted for these things like this, We have to remember, all 215 Republicans voted for this. So we have to pay them back at the ballot box.

Yes, we can hold the Democrats accountable who are voted for it. But oftentimes what happens, and I'm not saying you're doing this rolling, but oftentimes what happens, Republicans vote for bills that harm us and they pay no price. So we have to make sure that they pay a price at the ballot box when we vote them out. But here's the thing right here, to that particular point, Matt. Go to my iPad. When Congressman Jamal Bowman put forth the resolution to condemn white supremacy after 10 black people were gunned down in a Buffalo grocery store, guess what this article says?

Every Republican in the House voted against the measure, including those Republicans who are in swing districts. The point I'm making here, Matt, this is where you have to have a conscience and some guts and say, I'm sorry. If y'all don't want to reelect me, that's fine. but I'm not voting for some bullshit. I agree with you completely. I agree with you completely, and I agree with Michael's sentiment on it, and I get the strategic question

of avoiding the trap and being concerned about how things will be painted, but, you know, if you want to look at the language of that resolution further, that language of the resolution completely sanitizes what Charlie Kirk really did. It actually says nothing. Nothing.

It's, oh, look at the shit. Look, no, here. This is it right here. He would, a dedicated husband to his beloved wife, Erica Kurt, loving father to their daughter. That's all fine. Exemplifying the virtues of faith, fidelity, and fatherhood. Okay, that's fine.

A fierce defender of the American founding and his timeless principle of life, liberty, limited government, individual responsibility. Oh, how he got this group, and they proposed this here. But this right here, I'm sorry, bullshit. He became one of the most prominent voices in America, engaging in respectful civil discourse across college campuses, media platforms,

and national forums, Your understanding of truth in the public, how about when he lost a lie? But go ahead. But that's the exact paragraph, or one of the paragraphs I was thinking of. I mean, you know, sanitizing this to say respectful civil discourse, when you're saying things like a Supreme Court justice doesn't have the requisite cognitive power, black women don't have the requisite brain power to be in certain positions, that is not per se respectful discourse.

What I think they have done is a good job of confirm. the way somebody said something or the tone that he used or the perceived calmness with, quote, respect. He was not a respectful person. The discourse was abhorrent. And that if it were coming out of a black person's mouth and it were trained at white people, they would call him every manner of racist and hateful and whatever. But because his ideology dovetails with the party in power and the party that is trying to leverage this tragic killing, they are going to, you know, make it sound, lionize him, basically. They're lionizing him. And I think the problem with this is this is one ceremonial, two, it's not truly substantive. And three, when you look at the language, it is legitimizing people who use this kind of language and this kind of vitriol by making them martyrs. And that's the problem. I think there's a difference between saying we've got a First Amendment right, free speech, all of those things.

I could not agree more forcefully. But I think we also have to be able to say if you are saying abhorrent things about people in society, you may have a freedom of speech. but you don't have a freedom of consequence. And one of those consequences is we may say that you are a hateful, vitriolic person. These things logically follow. And I think when you vote for a resolution like this, you are legitimizing the respectful discourse

of a person who says abhorrent, disrespectful, mongrelizing things about large groups of people and who feeds into things like the Great Replacement Theory. That is per se not respectful. And I think when you vote for something like this, you're legitimizing it in a way you absolutely should not be, willing to get them. And here's what Republicans are doing. Go to my iPad. New bill filed in Oklahoma that says every public university, I need y'all to listen to me, every

public university in the state must have a Charlie Kirk Memorial Plaza with a statue of Kirk and his family. It gets worse. The Oklahoma proposed the bill to his public universities promptly billed these Charlie Kirk Memorial Plaza saying he was, quote, a very voice of a generation, modern civil rights leader, vocal Christian, martyr for truth and faith, and free speech advocate, or be fined. I said, everyone, that means Langston University, Robert, will be required to have a Charlie Kirk Plaza, and the Democrats who voted for this, now give them cover by saying, well, wait a minute, your House Democratic leader, he, your former whip, Steny Hoyer, they voted

for this resolution praising the life and work of Charlie Kirk. Look, we have to look at the bigger picture on this. We have to remember that we're going to be in a tooth-and-nail fight next year trying to take back the House of Representatives. And even if your district is safe, you have to look at the six of your brother and to figure out whether or not this will be painted in such a way. It makes it look like Democrats are in favor of political violence.

When we know good and well that these issues are taking place across the board, we have to deal with gun violence. We have to deal with the mental health. crisis. But when we take these ceremonial votes and make this the hill that we are going to die on, we risk the real system of issues such as Medicare, SNAP, housing, all the things are in danger. What Democrats risk by not taking a stand is for their own people not voting. The biggest, the most fundamental problem they have right now, it's all in the polling.

People don't believe that there are fighters. They don't believe that they stand for anything. The reality is the House Freedom Caucus will shut that whole shit down to stand on principle. And the problem is Democrats made the calculations. Listen, all we heard from Chuck Schumer, oh no, oh no, we can't change the rules when it comes to nominations because if we change the rules and the Republicans get power, they're going to do the same thing. So you know what Democrats didn't do?

They didn't change the rules. New Republicans just did it last week? They changed the goddamn rules. Say, they just voted the other day on 48 Trump nominees. So the Republicans don't give a shit about norms. All they care about is power. And I'm simply saying is, when are Democrats going to show some fucking guts? And this vote was gutless.

And it was gutless for Hakeem Jeffries to vote for it and to whip his members to vote for it. Now, if he, what you just said, if Jeffrey said, hey, here's a deal. anybody who's in a district that's 10 points or less blue and is red guess what y'all go ahead and vote for it but the rest of y'all

we ain't vote for this shit damn what he did you have to look at what we're trying to do and we risk this and what happened to 2020 and 2024 they were able to paint Democrats as being the anti-police defund the police all these issues and it lost in the suburbs

is lost in the margins is lost in those areas. No, no, no. They lost Robert with some sorry-ass candidates because there were other people who were in the same suburban districts who also won who were better candidates. Ocasio Cortez made that particular point.

Matt, the problem, again, the problem they have is they're going to need their base coming out hard in the election. And if you doing stuff and you ain't, and you telling your base it's sort of blazee, who the hell going to swing for you? And I actually agree with you a thousand percent, Roland. I don't detract from that point at all because I think here the Democrats should have chosen,

those who voted, should have chosen the stronger path. I get Robert's concern. I understand it conceptually from a strategic standpoint. But I think the problem is this. Number one, it's not like you're going to curry favor with the people who aren't going to vote Democrat anyway by voting for this resolution, number one. Number two, it's a ceremonial resolution that's not substantive. You're not talking about funding anything.

You're talking about lionizing a person who said abhorrent things and who is being lionized for saying abhorrent things because it's, it quote is, you know, indicative of the freedom of speech. I don't think they had to do that. I think they could have issued a resolution or issued a statement separately that says we condemn political violence, but not also voted for this resolution. And I understand that the wording made people concerned. I understand I'm not in a political office. So, you know, I get how you can have those concerns strategically. But I think this was a perfect time to show the exact kind of fight that particularly young people, I feel like, across the nation, are saying the Democrats don't have. When the Democrats have an opportunity to show that they have a backbone, they do this.

They vote for this resolution, which doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, it legitimized, in my opinion, horrible rhetoric under the guise of being respectful discourse. And I think there's another path, which is you issue a statement that says we soundly condemn political violence. you don't vote for this or you vote against this and then I think you accomplish both goals and even if you get painted as being whatever socialist, you know, far right or far left

voting for political violence, then you have a statement against that but it's not like they're going to show you love anyway voting for this resolution I don't think that you needed to do this and I think it showed a lack of backbone to be frank. And here's the whole deal, Michael. Congressman Mark Visi actually had an alternative resolution

that specifically spoke to political violence that left all the rest of that crap out, and if you were Democrat, and this is what you say, I would have voted for this. This is what my colleague put forth. It has every single thing in there. We're talking about political violence,

but it did not have all the rest of that crap. That's how I would respond to somebody who would say, how dare you vote against this resolution for Charlie Kirk? I would have said, I would have voted for this one, but Republicans would let it happen. Absolutely. A few things. So I totally

understand the bigger picture that Robert is focused on. Okay, I totally understand that. But at the very same time, January 6th, a lot of the people who voted, Republicans who voted for this resolution, voted not to convict Trump in the House when they had impeachment, okay, number one,

for January 6th. Number two, a lot of them supported the January 6th insurrectionists. That was political violence. So you came on the one hand in this resolution denounced political violence when you supported it with the January 6th insurrection

and you supported Trump given a pardon to 1,500 of the insurrectionists. This is a bullshit. This is a bullshit resolution. So Democrats, in 95, Democrats voted for this, okay? I posted about this on my Facebook fan pages, and a lot of black people were saying, you know, all of the CBC should have voted no on this, and they were given hail to the Democrats who voted for this resolution.

And this, once again, contributes to the narrative that Democrats, many of them are weak and don't fight. Okay? So they all of them should have voted no on this. And then say, hey, Mark Visi's resolution will go, you know, this is what we wanted. And you can't, and they need to hang around the neck of Republicans. You can on the one hand say that you are against political violence, but you supported January 6th. And what has to happen now? What has to happen right now is Jeffreys,

every damn time there's a school shooting, resolution. Every time, and forced Republicans to say no, force them to say, I'm not going to bring it to the floor. But voting for this bullshit is trash. That's what it is. I'm going to a break. I'll come back. I've got to deal with this full, it's a lot, y'all.

Nancy Mace showed her ass talking to Mary Muriel Bowser this week We're going to show that. I got to show y'all, we can talk about Ezra Klein and Ben Shapiro. And also, last Friday was the fourth anniversary of me slapping the shit out of Chris Christie on ABC this week. They ain't invited me back ever since. And we show it every year as a reminder

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Unfiltered. persons in Congress is Nancy Mace of South Carolina. And man, was she rude, disrespectful, and gross when she was talking with Mayor Muriel Bowser? Watch this. All right. Chair recognizes Ms. Mace from South Carolina. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and good morning. The government of the District of Columbia under the leadership sitting in front of us today has become a poster child for DEI and gender madness.

This has led to government. Mr. Chairman, this is not a concert. this audience can just settle down. I want to reclaim my time. Stop the clock and the gentle ladies ride. Under the rules of the House, the chairman's responsible for maintaining order and preserving decorum in the committee room.

I expect audience members to be respectful of the committee. So, we'll... I'd like to reclaim my time too, Mr. Chairman. Absolutely. This has led to government sanctioned racial discrimination and the erasure of women. Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17.

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The D.C. code makes numerous references to, quote, structural or institutional racism. Do you believe the D.C. government is structurally or institutionally racist? Yes or no. Yes or no? Is D.C. government racist, institutionally racist? Yes or no? All right, you can't answer the question. So my next question for Mayor Bowser, since you're going to sit there and placate

or just be quiet, in Section 7-1234.02 of D.C. Code, you use the phrase child welfare involved birthing people. Child welfare involved birthing people. Can you explain to me what this means. I'm not that familiar with that part of the code. Okay, and so you don't know.

In Section 7-123-4-02 of D.C. Code used the phrase, justice involved, incarcerated, and homeless birthing people and their non-birthing partners. Can you explain to this committee what that means? Again, I would have to see the whole section. You don't know. You're literally the mayor of D.C. And you don't know your own code of laws.

Well, I don't know them. One thing we noticed that D.C. Code struggles to define is the term woman. So Mayor Bowser, what is a woman? I'm a woman. Are you a woman? 100%. 100%.

I'm a woman. You're looking at one. Okay, good. You actually, in Section 3-703 of the D.C. code, you use the phrase, the intersectionality of gender and race to create unique dynamics and effects. Can you explain what this means to the committee? Where is that, ma'am? Section 3-703 of the D.C. Code. Do you know what that means?

No, you don't know what that means. So Chapter 14. of the D.C. Code establishes the commission. I'm happy to answer questions. Mr. Chairman, I'm going to reclaim my time. This is not her time. It's my time. You can be quiet as I ask you questions. And then you can answer them.

And then you can answer them. I'm not, Mr. Chairman, this is my time, not hers. I'd like to reclaim my time. Let's make good use of the time, Ms. May. I'm making very good use. And you're making my point. You're the mayor of D.C. And you don't even know your own code of laws.

What is a birthing person? I would assume it's someone who gives birth. All right. Why don't you use these women or these moms? You think it's appropriate to call them birthing person? Can a man birth a person? Well, that's what I would call it, but I don't write all the laws, and I'm not familiar with every section.

Can men get pregnant? No. Can men become women? Can a man become a woman? Yeah. Can a man become a woman? Yes or no. Can a man become a woman?

Yes or no? Ms. Mace. I'm not here to talk about that. Okay, my next question, Chapter 14D of the D.C. Code establishes the Commission on Reparations and a reparations fund to provide eligible African Americans' monetary reparations

or other forms of redress. Is it the position of D.C. government benefits should be provided to individuals on the basis of race. I believe that the legislation requires a study. Okay, I'm asking you.

Is it the position of the D.C. government that government benefits should be provided on the basis of race? If you're referring to that legislation, I believe it requires a study. Okay, I'm asking you a question. Do you believe that government benefits should be given out on the basis of race? That is the question. This is the third time I'm asking. We have any number of benefits programs and eligibility is established per program. You're not answering any of these questions.

I'll give it to your slick. In Section 2-1383 of the D.C. Code, use the phrase, social value of the LGBTQ community business economy to the district. Can you explain what this means to the committee? It means that LGBT businesses provide economic benefit to the district's economy. Do you think all businesses provide economic benefit to the D.C. economy? They should, or they would be out of business. Yeah, of course.

All right, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back. Thank you. Chairick, Dignan. That'd help her make my ass itch. I cannot stand. You know her eating ass running for Governor of South Carolina? Governor of South Carolina, oh, I can't stand her strife with ass.

Go ahead. Look, that's exactly the point. She's running for Governor of South Carolina. Those are her local politics. I remind people, there are only. 3 million transgender people in the entire country. They are 1% of the population. The way conservatives talk about it,

you don't think there's one hopping out of every corner and in every phone booth. There's an obsession with it because that plays well with their Christian conservative base. And what she was fishing for was to get a clip of Mayor Bowser saying something that she could run her campaign for governor. They could go viral on newsmax and then 4chan in those places. You got to play the game.

And I think that's what Mayor Bowser did. And here's the game. If I'm Mary Bowser, this is me for five minutes of Nancy Mace. I ain't saying a damn thing, Matt. I ain't giving her nothing. I ain't giving her nothing. Listen, oh, I'm a roll-up like Cash Patel. Now, I ain't give it an ass nothing.

Nothing. Nata. So I have two immediate thoughts about this. The first being that it's interesting that she started out talking about DEI, my understanding from little research I've done, is that she was the first woman ever to graduate from the Corps of Cadets at the Citadel. But what she doesn't have on her house website is the fact that her father was, literally running the Citadel at the time she graduated from the school. Why is that

important? Because if she were a black woman, they would be talking about nepotism, how she didn't earn it, how her Magna Cum Laude was never earned, because her father was actually the person who was running the citadel when she graduated. But she didn't talk about that. She just talks about DEI. Because the second point that I have to make is that I think we're in a part of society right now, our time in society, where our politicians are way too much about pageantry. This is about pageantry, and this is obviously about vitriol. Nancy Mason is running for governor. She wants to sound bites. But that's all it's about. And if I'm, if I'm you, I'm doing exactly what you say, Muriel Bowser should have done, especially because

she wasn't asking questions to get answers. This is like when I'm in a cross-examination and I want to beat up on somebody and I want to make a jury think that I'm in control and that they're, whatever I want them to look like. This is not about getting actual answers to the questions. And I think part of that is because we as a populace have gotten used to the political pageantry where it's about sound bites and it's not about substance. Here's the other thing. The mayor, the mayor doesn't write the laws. I mean, now, I don't know exactly how D.C.'s, you know, mayoral council power structure set up. But in a lot of places, right, the city council is the legislative body, of course. They're the ones who ratify the laws, and the mayor is,

depending on where you are, either the chief executive or really the main point of that city council. To think that that person is going to know every law in the books in their area is just really an absurd idea, especially when you're cherry picking and picking out little parts of things without greater context. And this is all about pageantry. It's not about any substance. And we see Nancy Mace is apparently trying to make her name

because that's what she's doing, running a rough shot anytime she gets an opportunity. And I don't think that Mayor Bowser should have counted or rather accepted any of that or been involved in any way because it's all BS. It's not about getting real answers. Now, that was another back and forth

on Capitol Hill, this time with Congresswoman Rashid's leave, and it also involved a member of the help Congressman Byron Donald's. Thank you. Chair recognizes, Ms. Talib from Michigan. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. You know, I think it's really important. I mean, we're talking about, you know, 700,000 people that live here,

and I feel like their voice gets completely just dismissed. And so if I may, Mr. Chair, asking him his consent to enter the record, the Washington Post poll of D.C. residents found eight out of eight and ten opposed Trump's, taking over of their local police and sending in federal troops. Without objection to ordered. You know, I think it's also really important to understand, like,

the incredible kind of slanderous, like, defamation. I don't know what to call it. They're just burying Washington, D.C. You just heard them speak about our nation's capital in that way. In a way that I feel very much, like, that's not what I see. I see people walking around with their families, people enjoying regards to it. But I think it's important, Mr. Chair,

just like in D.C. Home Rule was one out of black freedom struggle in the fight for civil rights. We can't be passive right now. So nobody over there should take anything we say so personally as if we're attacking them. No, we're attacking a process. We're not attacking people here. And I think it's really important we need to stand up against this.

Fascist take over. That's not a bad word. It's a fact And here in D.C. and across the country It is so incredibly important, Mr. Chair, that this committee does not allow rhetoric that defames and or paints Washington C. in a way

that you all haven't really truly seen. You're just reading it, no, you're just reading it or something off of some... Will the gentlelady yield to a question? Yeah, I think it's really important. Well, the gentlelady yields. I don't yield. I don't even have time. I can tell you...

Your time's expires. But, Mr. Chair, but you all live here, and you're not telling people the beautiful parts that you do see in our nation's capital. And no, no, no. It's just wrong how we're doing. Chairman, I think it's insane that the general lady doesn't have an argument, but she's going to refer to me and some of my colleagues. Mr. Donald, we were from the Third Reich. This is insane. It's insane. It's insane. It's insane.

Do I look like a member of the Third Reich to you, Ms. Talib? Is that what I look like to you? You're the one taking your phone card. Is that what you think? Is that what you think? Is that what you think? No, that's unethical. I think it's radical and I think it's insane and I don't respect everything that you say.

But to say something like that to myself and all of my colleagues is way out of line. It's way out of line. Regular order, Mr. Way out of line. That's okay, but it's okay, right? That is not how it goes. It's okay, right? You hold yourself accountable before you talk about Washington DC.

Hold myself accountable. Hold your own self accountable. How about that? Hold your own self accountable. How about that? Free D.C. And make sure you vote with your own. All right.

Got a little heated there. Got a little heated there between Rashida and Maga, the Help by Redonnells. Again, and here's the whole deal. I know folks, I know some people say, oh, man, you know, she went there. Guess what? When she runs in the primary, she wallops the folk who run against her. So all I'm saying is, there are people out there who do want to. to see Democrats bring wood

who want to take it to them. That's what they want to do. So I'm just saying if y'all want folk to turn out in huge numbers, you're going to have to sit here and learn to jack some folk up. Now, speaking of the jacking some folk up, Ben Shapiro, right-wing ideologue

is running around some new book. I don't give a shit about it, so therefore I don't know the name of it, because I really don't care. So he sat down with Stephen A. Smith. He's gone on the breakfast club. I think he was on the view. And they knew better. They ain't sent us to book. Because I would never book his ass. So he decides to go sit with Ezra Klein with the New York Times. And this is what I call one of those genteel NPR type conversations. And it's about an out. It's a lot. It's a It's an hour-plus conversation, but somebody had posted about a couple of minutes of the

interview, and I was so pissed off. I said, well, let me go back to this section. So it's about a 10-minute section I pulled, but I just had to play because if y'all want to see gas lighting and some absolute line take place, watch this. I think I'm pushing you a little bit into something more fundamental here. No, but I think that they're connected. This is where it becomes the fight over. Western civilization? Because I would say

during this period you have, when you're talking about Barack Obama with his sort of, you know, micro-targeted polling or whatever it is, it's like you have the birther smear emergent on the right in a very potent way. So, right, Obama creates reaction as well just by nature of who he is.

Well, what only is just as easy as that. I mean, for people who don't, you know, kind of live on the right and imbibe from the media of the right during this time, the understanding on the right was that Barack Obama was a much more divisive figure than the left and the traditional media liked to say that he was. And they saw him as a fundamental transformative change

agent who did not see the American experiment in a positive light. And they felt the right, and I sort of agree with this, that he was dissimulating, that he was dissembling, that when he was saying that all the sort of positive, sunny, optimistic vision of America, that what he actually met was the

Cairo speech, where America was sort of a sinner in the Middle East. And that his view of American history was much more along the lines of what he said about Henry Louis Gates or Trayvon Martin than it was along the lines of there's no white America and black America there's just Americans

and so the reaction of the right was okay this is an interest group based politics that does not particularly like the founding and so basically what Ben Shapiro is saying is President Barack Obama unlike all the white men who came

before him did not tell the his story they did not tell the his story. Obama didn't fall for the his story. Obama actually talked about the history of the country. And so when Shapiro says the right,

this sunny view, what he's really saying is, oh, see, the white men before Obama, they left all the bad shit out. So they ain't bring up slavery. They ain't bring up Jim Crow. They didn't bring up systemic racism. They didn't bring up

redlining. But this Negro comes along, and why he got to keep bringing that stuff up. That's really what Shapiro is saying, and white conservatives, they don't like that. They don't like Paul Harvey, who was Rush Limbaugh back in his day, if you want to be honest, he used to always say, and now the rest of the story. They don't like the rest of the story. They like that fake lying-ass story, and so here Shapiro said, yeah, we couldn't stand the

fact, and this black guy would actually stand up and acknowledge. the racist shit we did as a country, including the crap that we did in the Middle East. So y'all got to understand, every time we talk about Iran, these white folks always go to 1979. They overthrew our embassy, but they never want to talk about 1953 when we, on behalf of Anglo-Iranian oil, now known as BP, literally overthrew a Democratic-elected government,

and most today was a leader, because it was over oil. The Iranians used to love the United States, But after the overthrow on 53, they hated the United States. And we can go country after country after country. But to see, again, Shapiro, these white people don't want somebody talking about that. That's why they couldn't stand Obama press play. They're going to react to that with Trumpism. So if you understand Obama and Biden more from the left,

what are the moments in those presidencies that do people on the right? right or radicalizing, right? That sort of differ from how differently you see them from maybe how I do. Well, I think that for President Obama, I think the left perceives the Obamacare moment is the moment that the right sort of radicalized. And I don't think that that's actually right. I think the bitter clingers comments were a big one. And that was in the 2008 election. I think the Henry Lewis Gates statements. Recently, Professor Henry Lewis Gates Jr. was arrested at his home in Cambridge. What does that incident say to you and what does it say about race relations in America.

In which he suggested that the officer had acted stupidly and then sort of linked that with racial discrimination in the past. He just lied, and they're going to play the video, and Ezra Klein, does it stop him from lying? Press play. I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry. number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident, is that there is a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. And that's just a fact.

The Trayvon Martin situation was quite polar. Okay. So, I call this out in real time when I was on CNN and other places, and white people didn't want to confront this. So let me tell you what they did. Sean Hannity, the conservative people,

Obama calls the cop stupid. No, he didn't. I remember being on CNN saying, no, complete the sentence. They played it. See, this is where Ezra Klein pisses me off. Because, see, he doesn't stop Shapiro.

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You'd arrest the man after it was determined it was his house. But that's conservative media didn't do that. I remember this like it was yesterday. Hannity was foaming at the mouth and Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly and Megan Kelly and all of them were just going at the mouth and you know what happened? We got you out some inside stuff, okay? So, after this news conference,

oh, the white boys around Obama were like, oh, we've got to walk this back, we got to walk this back. And so then that was a meeting. Now, let me help you all out. There are two staff meetings at the White House. There's the 7 a.m. meeting, and there's the 8 a.m. meeting. Now, the 7 a.m. meeting is the real meeting.

Okay? Okay. That's where the principal's principles are. So what happened was the white boys in the 7 o'clock were like, yo, we got to walk this back. So when he got to the 8 o'clock meeting, the black people were like, no, hell no, we ain't walking shit back. It was a serious argument. I'm telling y'all what I know, okay? So it was an argument back and forth.

And the black folks were like, yo, there are times when I walked out of this White House and I couldn't get a cab. So the white boys, yeah, Emmanuel, Axel Rodney, others. They go into the Oval Office and tell Obama, hey, we got to sit here and we got to walk this back. He was like, man, we didn't walk. He said, no, we're not. Get out of my office. Yep, don't get at the office. So then the white boys started gathering around, man, we've got to figure out.

So they start calling certain reporters saying, yeah, if Obama could, if he wished he could take that back. So I remember sitting on the set, and then one of the reporters at CNN said that I'm like, that's not true. I said, he don't want to walk that back? Well, Roland, you know, my source. I was like, well, I got sources too. See, I knew what the real deal was. so they put that out that thing

conservative media white conservative media for a whole week was for a whole week and the only reason there was a beer summit because Obama was like yo we need to look we gotta shut this shit down

so let me invite the white cop and skip gates to this bullshit have a beer in the Rose Garden so everybody can shut the hell up that's what it was all about but it was white people like Ben Shapiro who lied who took half of what Obama said

and ran with him by saying Obama calls the cops stupid y'all can Google it right now you're going to see all these stories when he was very specific and when he said no they acted stupidly in arresting gates

after it was determined it was his house and then they got mad how dare he bring up systemic racism how dare he bring up black people who get stopped what's wrong with him and then he said even I got stopped Ooh, the white folks couldn't hound that.

Because see, now they're mad that you actually got a person who's black, who's in the Oval Office, who's the President of the United States, who's telling you even what I endured, and the white folks couldn't stand that because, you know what they like? They like. They like. They nice, neatly pressed Negroes quiet. Press play.

Rising for sure. But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon Martin. You know, if I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon. The Ferguson riots, those, I think, would be sort of the biggest examples of the right was so upset. How dare they? How dare Obama say what actually took place? Then let me also give y'all some more insight on what actually happened right there. See, the White House was really trying to ignore this story.

First of all, naturally being trying to know this story. And I remember being, people hit me on social media about Trayvon, Trayvon, Trayvon, Trayvon, Trayvon, Trayvon Martin. And I kept seeing on my timeline, and I was flying to, I was flying to California to speak to the 100 black men of Orange County. And then, that's what I was then talking about the people, and I really got the gist of the story. And so all of a sudden, I was talking to Brother Dotson, who was the president, saying, hey, we've got to focus on this. And so then from that point on, was really focusing on it. So me and others were driving us on social media, and actually

it was ignoring it, seeing it wasn't trying to cover it. All of a sudden, the store bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, then all of a sudden, it begins to blow up. Now, it was a Friday. It was a Friday. And I remember doing, that's when all these preachers going to be doing hoodies up in pulpits on Sunday. I did a segment on Tom Jones on a morning show

discussing this. I remember calling Valerie Jarrett, and I was like, yo, y'all about to get left behind on this story. I said, because this is going to blow up this weekend. There were vigils being planned, the hoodie up stuff. And she was like, well, you know, Obama doesn't want to get involved because the federal investigation. I'm like, no, no, he's going to have to say something.

And she was like, you think I said, I'm telling you, y'all about to have a problem on your hands if y'all don't say nothing. So what happens is, all of a sudden, give me a call back, hey, watch the news conference. He's going to get the question. Boom, he gets the question. Now, we all know happens all the time. y'all. Happens all the time. Okay? So, Democrat, Republican, bottom line is, you know, media asked questions. He got the question. And y'all understand. He was another announcement.

He was about to walk away. The question came, and he came back and asked the question. Okay. But that's what pissed the white folks off. Piss the white folks off. How dare he say that could be Trey Martin? Well, shit, let's see. He black. Michelle Black. So, yeah. But see, the Shapirs of the world, and we're going to play it for you. Because, see, in their mind, how dare you say that? Because, see, they don't, they never wanted to, knowledge that Trayvon Martin was literally minding his own damn business. I was on the phone with this girl after

going to the store on NBA All-Star Sunday, minding his own business when this white Latino Zimmerman decides to accost him. Because see, y'all got to understand white people like Ben Shapiro, they actually believe that they have the right to walk up to Matt,

to Michael, to Robert, or me, and we've got to be like, we're some Negroes in South Africa. Show me your papers. Okay, okay, okay, boss. Here are papers. That's how they operate. And so that's what happened with Trayvon Martin. So white people, white conservatives were angry. How dare he bring things up?

How dare he talk about these things? Because, see, they actually believe that they have the right to ask of any black person, who are you, and what are you doing here? That's why we got all these cairns running around. Oh, do you live here? Show me your address. We played the videos. What they sit here and say, yes, show me your address.

Prove to me you live here. Well, you prove to me you live here. So what Shapiro is really saying And he don't want to say it And Ezra Klein, weak ass Not pressing him Like wait a minute, hold up So y'all really were pissed off

In Obama Because y'all couldn't stand the fact That he actually stood up For righteousness When black folks are being negatively impacted Huh, first play Barack Obama Kind of setting off the right, so to speak

It's interesting you choose those I mean, those are mostly first rhetorical examples. It's like, take the bitter clingers comment, because I actually think about this one a lot, where he gets caught on this, he's on tape. You go out with somebody small theft in Pennsylvania, like a lot of small theft in the Midwest. Yeah, they had been gone out for 25 years,

and nothing to replace them. And they're off through the Klinger administration and Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising them that they get better if they come to gods or religion

or antipathetic people who aren't like that but anti-habilites out of them or, you know, anti-trade sentiment. And I would explain their frustrations. It's like, to me, if you compare that to things that get said, even say to Hillary Clinton's deplorable's comment, right? He basically says, look, you have people in towns that these towns have lost everything. They've lost their jobs.

They've lost the plants that employed everybody. That they have been, like their fundamental dignity and livelihoods have been taken away from them. And yeah, in that condition, people get bitter. And then he does say, like, they cling to guns and religion, which I think he wishes. And xenophobia, right? And xenophobia. It's actually very different. There's such an empathizer.

I mean, the way that the right reads that is him sneering at those people, meaning if they only weren't xenophobic and religious and hollowed out by life, then they would totally buy into what I'm selling them. And I think that this also meshes very well with what the right tends to think of. Well, he's saying that we have failed them, right? That they wouldn't just buy into what he's selling them. He's saying that, like, the left has, like, abandoned these people. Right, but I will not fail these people.

And if I were given the power, then I would, I would fix all of their problems. And really, if they only understood how much I could fix their problems, and what's keeping them from doing that, the reason they won't embrace me, what I would say is this is the mirror image of how the left viewed what Mitt Romney was saying about the 47% of people who would never vote for. So people on the right read that, like, okay, there's a bunch of people who aren't paying taxes.

They're unlikely to vote for a person who's going to lower taxes. And people on the left read that as he's sneering at people who are not paying taxes. And so I think that there is that element here. It's also the other couple of examples you give are interesting, for just being about race, right? And again, if you hear... Yes. Like, again, the polling here is very, very clear.

Racial relations in this country got markedly worse in 2013, 2014, 2015. But is that because Barack Obama should have been more positive on what happened to Trayvon Martin or what happened in a very different way to Henry Lewis Gates? Or because it was hard for people to hear, like, yeah, if you're a black man and you see these, your interpretation is, yeah, like we get hassled by the cops often for no reason in a way that white people don't really understand, or my son could have been Trayvon, right? You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot, I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me, 35-year-old.

ago. And when you think about why, in the African American community at least, there's a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it's important to recognize that the African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn't go away. There are very few African-American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me.

I understand that is also an expression of pain, right, an effort to try to build a bridge. It's very hard for you to imagine and Donald Trump doing the Henry Lewis Gates, the Beer Summit, as it got called, where you had the cop and gates to the White House at the same time. It's hard for me when I look back on that

and the Beer Summit in particular to hear like, that's what radicalized you all? Yes, and the reason is because the implicit promise of Barack Obama was the worst conflict in the history of America, which is the racial history of the United States, which is truly horrifying. That in his person,

he was basically going to be the capstone of the great movement toward Martin Luther King's dream. And when instead things seemed to move in the opposite direction, which was, well, you know, it turns out the black people in America, they're inherently victimized by a system, by a white supremacist system that puts black people underfoot. And my son could have been Trayvon. And people on the right saw that as like, well, but that's not true. You are an upper class black man who is living in the White House. And unless your son was mistaken for a prowler going around at night in a neighborhood, then no, that that actually wouldn't happen to your son.

In fact, you have two black daughters, and that stuff has never happened to them. So this sort of Michael Brown and Ferguson, the idea that when the president went out and he said that people wouldn't just make this up. Freeze. Okay, so here's what I understand here. Because he went over, and again, Klein didn't stop him. Again, a shameful way to interview. What Shapiro was saying is, well, we thought when we elected a Negro, we'll do all this stuff. it'll be poof gone away.

So let's see. Correct me if I'm wrong. When Thurgood Marshall was appointed the Supreme Court by President Lyndon Baines Johnson, did racism in the criminal justice system just go away? No. When we got our first black mayor of a major city, Hatcher and Gary, Indiana,

and Stokes in Cleveland, and Coleman Young in Detroit, and Mayor and Jackson in Atlanta, and Mayor and Barry in D.C., did all of a sudden, did racism and inequality just, poof, go away because the magical Negroes showed up. When we got our first black Fortune 500 CEO, did all of a sudden, there had no racism, no discrimination, none of those things in corporate America, because the magical Negro has arrived.

And so therefore, now that he is here, it absolves us of all of our past and present and future sins because he has now arrived. That's literally what Shapiro was saying. So when he said, oh, this would have been a capstone, what he's really saying is we actually thought that when America finally elected a black person as president, you Negroes were going to shut up. You Negroes were going to stop complaining.

You Negroes were going to stop demanding more. Damn it, we gave you, we picked, we allowed one of you to become the holder of the highest office in the land, and y'all have the audacity, the unmitigated gall to keep complaining and demanding things? Why won't y'all just shut the fuck up? That's literally what Ben Shapiro is saying. And then he goes, and oh, my God, but no, that's not what happened. It's all of a sudden he comes there, and then we're like, oh, damn, they're still complaining. and Ezra Klein sits there

and just lets that bullshit just continue and just go on and on and on finish that crap audio interpretation of Obama at least to you was that if he's elected we'll agree we've gotten past all this like it's supposed to make us feel better

and then when it didn't like that was understood is the betrayal of a promise. Well, I mean, again, that is how I think most Americans saw it, including black Americans. That was a widespread sentiment, not just among white Americans, among black Americans, is that something had gone radically wrong in 2013, 2014. So something happened. This was an argument that was made by legacy media a lot, which was that the real reason people were so exercised about Obamacare wasn't because they really cared about Obamacare.

It was really because there were a lot of bitter clingers out there who, you know, were clinging to their God and their guns, there's xenophobia, and they didn't really like the black president, And if a white president pushed ObamaCare, then probably they would have had some problems with it, but they wouldn't have gone crazy like this. I mean, these people, I mean, I could tell you're saying there's evidence on this. Like, there was a lot of polling on this on how attitudes on race

correlated with attitudes about Obamacare. I mean, that may be the case. But the point is that the perception by people who are not actually picking on Barack Obama because of his race or we're picking on him because of his politics was that suddenly everything was being refracted through a racial lens. Yeah, it was being seen through a racial lens because it was. There's no mistake here. There's no shock what happened.

The basis of my book, White Fear, was a poll that was taken in 2009 around the inauguration. And the question was asked, are you optimistic about the future of America for your children? Black people, Latinos, Asian Americans, a majority said yes. Less than a majority said no. Who was that? White America. Huh. I saw that and went, something's up here.

And I began to look at other data. And that's when I came to the conclusion. We are about to embark on the beginning beginning of white minority resistance. It's the thesis of my book. Hey, Ezra Klein, maybe Yoaz should call me if you really wanna have this conversation. But see, they don't wanna have this conversation.

The networks didn't wanna book me to have the conversation. Do you know why? Because they would have to confront the reality. And so what Ben Shapiro is doing is trying to gloss over the reality that President Barack Obama's presence all of a sudden freaked white people out. And when he said that Obama,

that Trump was a reaction to Obama, he's right. Why? Because the history of America, we know for a fact that white backlash always followed black success. So this is no shock here. But Ezra Klein, it's not deep enough to understand this because as a white black, man, he can't fathom these things.

Black people, when he goes, well, you know, black people were believing the exact same thing. Black people aren't dumb. There were hordes of educated black people. We're like, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, roll. We can't ask for nothing. We can't ask for nothing because if we ask for something, then the white folks ain't going to vote for a bomb for the second term,

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White people. White media. I was on CNN looking at Wolf and all of them like, y'all, that y'all goddamn mind with this post-racial bullshit. Because if you're black and you know how to read and you understand history,

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We have seen. this movie over and over and over again. And so what pisses me off about this section of this interview is that Ezra Klein literally has no depth or knowledge to break down what Shapiro said. And he just allowed him to float bullshit. And it was unanswered. It wasn't challenged.

And if you are watching this, you would go, oh my, this was a rather revealing conversation. Yes, it reveal the racist points of view, no matter how well-dressed and well-spoken out of Ben Shapiro's mouth, and it showed the lack of understanding of a white progressive like Ezra Klein. Robert, your thoughts? Look, I think, one, for the people who are the white and Obama do more when he was president, just looking back at that, that looks almost like it was CGI. It doesn't even seem like it was real looking back at the Obama presidency compared to what we have now.

immense amount of pressure that was on him to not make a single misstep. Tonight, say one word out of line because of the, as Barry Goldwater called in 1968, white lash that we all knew would come at the smallest tip of a hat. And we're living in that white lash right now. We're living in this post-Obama America where white America is saying not only was that Obama, it was diversity, equity, and inclusion programs. And now I have a black female who's my manager and I have to go to HR training twice a quarter. Now all of a sudden, all the movies, there's a black little mermaid swimming around,

and my daughter can't feel empowered knowing there's always going to be a little white princess to represent her. All of a sudden, you're seeing the tenor of America, not just as it black people getting new rights, not just if it's women getting new rights. Now you have to hear about LGBTQ that you've ever heard of before. And those people that Obama talked about, who have been quote-unquote left behind by the American dream, whose factory jobs have been shipped overseas and no matter how many tariffs you put on manufacturing, they're never going to come back. Those people who the education system has failed

and they don't see a way out of the area that they come from. I tell people all the time, my mom and my sister hate this. Grew up in Waverly Hall, Georgia, which is a small town about 45 minutes from the middle of nowhere. We lived in a double-wide trailer, and we lived around that part of America. We saw that, we saw the hopelessness. When we go back now, those same people are still there.

And when they see somebody who looks different from there, they can't believe that they did it from merit and they think that the system was helping them along the way. And this is why we're seeing this fierce backlash we're seeing right now. So the point is that everything that Ezra Klein was doing was letting Ben Shapiro explain that to the American public. You can't get that without letting him just have a narrative, just letting him put it out there. We couldn't break down what Ben Shapiro was saying unless we heard him out for the first time, realize. that most of these black magas that you see right now were field soldiers for Obama in 2008. And they were, and Shapiro displaying how they were radicalized

to the point that they are out here representing white supremacists now. The thing that I find to be just so interesting here, Matt, is, and we've heard all this stuff before. I mean, well, Ben Shapiro is saying, ain't nothing new. I mean, literally, as he was talking, again, I remember being on the air,

fighting this shit, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, these white confederates and all this sort of nonsense. And see, and the reality is they couldn't say the N-word. But remember what Lee Atwater said? He said, and it was on record, it was recorded. He's like, we no longer have to use the N-word. It's other stuff that we can use. And that's what was happening.

And so they loved to say, oh, no, no, no, no. We weren't targeting Obama because he was black. The reality is there were white people in this country who were believing that, oh, my God, we're going to love. lose stuff, he's going to just give stuff away to the blacks. And it was all this sort of stuff, it's in the data, it's in the polling data. So when they go

when this idiot and Megan Kelly goes, oh my God, Obama came along and race relations just went to hell, hello, maybe it was the mere presence of the black guy that kind of pissed some people off.

That's what it was. And that's why they they talk about it the way that they do, and I think the reality of it is this. I don't think most people had any illusion that racial issues were going to go away by the election of Mr. Obama. I think what white people thought, particularly racist white people, particularly hardcore conservative, racist white people, is they thought that the election of Barack Obama took away his ability to address anything racial. I mean, just the idea that Ben Shapiro was talking about, oh, you're upper middle class, you're in the White House, you're, you know,

accomplished, right? That's exactly the kind of rhetoric you heard around this country all the time when people, when Mr. Obama was elected, because then it became, you are the cream of the crop by what we call to be American metrics. And therefore, the fact that you are there means that there can't be institutional racism. It means that black men can't be being targeted by the police. It means that black people can't be dying disproportionately at the hands of the police because your election is supposed to be proof positive that those issues don't exist. And we all know that that isn't true. And I think part and parcel with that is a lot of the frustration with Obama was this idea that he no longer had license to speak to issues that

he should have to speak to as the President of the United States. And the fact that he's a black man, which rankled a lot of people in general, I mean, let's be frank, exacerbates that. But the President of the United States is supposed to serve everyone in the country, right? should be addressing topics to juror major issues. So the idea that a black president can't address black issues because he's black is problematic, but I think that there are a lot of people who thought his election took away his ability to do that. And more than that, I think the better example of the fact that it was just the color of Obama's skin is how vitriolic all of the pushback against policy was. I mean, with Trump, you have somebody who was going out

daily making incendiary comments and purposely sequestering parts of the population. But that wasn't coming out of the Obama White House. What was coming out of the Obama White House was policy. And if you remember how they talked about that policy, I mean, it was dripping with the same kind of seething hate that they talk about other things, right? They would act like Obama was just the spawn of Satan because they've introduced Obamacare. And that is because he was a black man and for no other reason. And because he's a talisman of, that exact life that he's talking about with the bitter clingers. The people

in American society who are forgotten largely white people, the largely white people in welfare, they see him as a talisman of the life that they have been, they've had stolen from them by virtue of the existence of people like him. So when it gets in the White House, he's not allowed to talk about black issues. That's what I

saw then, and that's what I think Ben Shapiro is speaking to now. See, the thing here, Michael, and this has been white America just the beginning. So, But folks go, oh, no, no, no, I'm not racist. And see, people understand this is this is not a conservative versus progressive conversation. Because there are white progressives who think it act the same way.

So in their minds, no, I'm not racist. I'm not bigoted. I don't have any. So I tell people all the time. See, the biggest problem we have is we say racist, not racist. I said, that ain't the issue. It's all that stuff in between. It's that space in between.

It's the assumptions, it's the microaggressions, all those things that we can spot it so easy, it's crazy. And so that was what was happening here. And so what you had is, how dare he address these issues? How dare he talk on these things? How dare he even speak on these things? How dare he talk about the inequities in housing and venture capitalism? Why can't you just be a happy Negro that you're in the Oval Office

and just shut up, be quiet for four years, then eight years, and then move along? That's really what they wanted. So what Ben Shapiro is really saying, oh, no, as Robert said, it wasn't policy that ticked us off. It was that Obama had the audacity to stand up there

and call a, us out in a very smart, articulate, clear, defined way, and we're pissed off that he did. He should have been on the side of Zimmerman. He should have been on the side of that white cop who was talking to Skip Gates. He should have been on the side of the people who discriminate in housing.

And how dare one of the first things that he does is sign a law after the Congress passed that attack racial discrimination in auto lending. And what was one of the very first bills Republicans overturned when Trump got in, that particular bill? That says all you need to know. Yeah, so I'm glad you showed that interview. So a few things.

Number one, I remember when Obama was elected and then all of a sudden you had white commentators, white Republican commentators. conservative commentators saying, okay, this is a post-racial America now. This is post-racial, which really meant they didn't want to hear anything else about racism. They didn't want to hear about racism, structural inequities, anything, because now you have a black president and all that's gone away, okay? When Ben Shapiro talked about white people thinking that elected Obama, this would be, you know, or they thought that Obama would try to fulfill Dr. King's dreams, right?

with Dr. When you talk about, quote, unquote, the dream, part of the dream was dismaling white supremacy and racism in this country, okay? The beloved community is what happens after you dismount on white supremacy and racism. And when he talked about, when Obama talked about Traybond Martin, and then he talked about African-American men being followed around or disproportionately stopped by police, see, now you're talking about systemic racism, okay? You got the black man in the White House talking about systemic racism. white people did not want to hear about that.

And Charlie Kirk said systemic racism doesn't exist. So just Obama's presence as a black man who understood history, who talked about that periodically, was a threat, and it was an insult to many white people. And Donald Trump was that white backlash that we always see to any periods of progress that African Americans make. And this is another backlash that we're seeing right now of Donald Trump. with the help of Project 2025. A couple of things, and I know I'm over time, but

trust me, I'm already telling my publicist. Yeah, send this to Ezra Klein. You want to have a conversation, Ezra? Yeah, let's talk about this here. Because that Shapiro, that was some bullshit. Pure and simple. Before I go to the Christie thing, somebody just posts this in a group chat.

And we know Donald Trump ain't got no respect for black women. So this took place in the Oval Office today. I'm a girl Ebony McMorris, the White House correspondent for American Urban Radio Network, actually asked the question of Trump and he showed

his ass like he always does in chastising black women. Listen, watch this. And we're going to be going in, quiet. You're really obnoxious. I'm not obnoxious, but I'm trying to ask you. What about your plans for men's? You are really obnoxious. I'm not obnoxious.

But I am asking, what are your place for Memphis? I'm not going to talk to you until I'm calling you. So, who else? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I just want to sell this free speech question, because you've said that you restored free speech in America. Yeah. Is that free speech, including for people who are harshly critical of you, for your political opponents, for people who say things you don't like?

I become immune to it. I've become immune to it. There's never been a person that's had more unfair publicity than me, and that's why your network made me. $15 million, or $16 million, I believe, to be exact. George, Slopidopadopoulos, and that's why CPS paid me a lot of money, too. And that's why I sued the New York Times two days ago

for a lot of money. Because I, well, I'm winning. I mean, I'm winning the cases, and the reason I'm winning is because you're guilty, John, you're guilty. ABC is a terrible network, a very unfair network, and you should be ashamed of yourself. NBC is equally bad. I don't know who's worse.

I think they're equally bad. and, you know, for you to stand there an excellent... All right, so he's spending the rest of time trash at ABC. But right there, Michael, that's how... First of all, Donald Trump can't call nobody obnoxious because he's the most obnoxious, abhorrent,

despicable, disgraceful individual to ever occupied an Oval Office, and that includes the racist Woodrow Wilson. Yes, and he has a hatred of black women as well. especially intelligent black women. We just saw that display right there. We see how he treats Yamish Alcindor as well. Another excellent journalist.

We remember him being disrespectful to April Ryan. Also, White House correspondent. April Ryan, Yamish Elcinder, Rachel Scott. I mean, we can, Cecilia Varga, Vega, we can go on. If you're a woman of color, he's going to treat you like crap. Absolutely. Absolutely, absolutely, because that's who he is. Okay, we have to be clear on this.

That's who he is. And that's one of the reasons why I think, you know, he gravitated towards Charlie Kirk so much. It wasn't just the fact that Charlie Kirk helped him win the, you know, the conservative youth vote, things like that with Turning Point USA. No, they had a lot of the same ideologies also. Bottom line here, Matt, yeah, he don't like being questioned. And she's at, look, it's an open deal.

I get to ask a question. But this is also where the otherwise correspondence, because y'all need to have somebody back and follow up on their question. Absolutely. And this is exactly what we saw earlier with Nancy Mace. I mean, it's just it's with Trump, it is a complete disregard for, you know, the quorum and respect for people. And I think we focus way too much on that.

I think what him and his team have done masterfully, if you want to be honest, over the years, is they have brought down the level of equilibrium so low that the president of the White House can sit there and yell down. a reporter. I mean, that would be, if Obama had done it, that would be, you know, cause for all kinds of Congress censoring him, trying to do whatever else. But with this, this is standard fair for Trump. And it's because he hates black people. He hates women. And he very, very clearly, you know, treats reporters this way. It has many times. So none of this is surprising, but this is exactly what we're talking about. This is the person occupying the White House and what

we expect and what we see on a daily basis coming out of 1600 Pennsylvania. He is shameful. He is Uncuth, Robert. Look, for every white guy who has to sit through another meeting with an overqualified black woman talking down to him because he doesn't quite understand that the program that she's been expert in for 20 years outweighs the internship and his dad getting him that job, this is catnip for them.

These are the people that Ben Shapiro was talking to. These are those suburban voters who otherwise they believe in, and many of the things that the left believes in, but because of exactly that, that idea of strength, of disrespect, of white men being back in the mad men world of the 1950s or 1980s. If you close your eyes, that would sound like a scene out of a civil rights movie, of a black woman asking questions about the situation in Memphis while being disrespect about Bull Connor behind the desk.

That is what they gravitate to. And so when you think about the political dance that people have to take, when we think about, like we said earlier, the political dance that Obama had to go through to get those same white people to vote for him while we were voted for him thinking he was going to be our liberator, they were voted for him thinking

that he was going to be our conqueror, that he was going to be doing to tell us to finally bow down and shut up. So when you see that, you have to think about the bigger context, which is that you still have half of America that see that and they believe in that and they're excited by it.

Absolutely. Now, I just, I love, I love how when you speak truth how other folk all of a sudden get religion later on so y'all it was September 12th,

2021 when I went on ABC this week and I didn't pick the subjects and they decided to talk about Chris Christie's speech at the Reagan Library. Now I'm going to tell you I'd be honest with y'all so we went to commercial break and the sister who was on there she turned to George and she said

are we really going to talk about this speech? And George says, yeah. Now, I'm a guest. She was a paid contributor at the time. Chris is a paid contributor. Sarah Iskore, because her name, whatever name was. She's a paid contributor. So I was the only one up there and not getting paid.

So I wasn't saying nothing. But inside, I was like, ooh, bring that speech up. Ooh, please bring that speech up. Because I was ready to tag that ass. And I did. Now, let me tell y'all what happened. Christy walked up that said so mad, so pissed off, man. He went and caught.

This was an ambush. Three executives told me this. afterwards, okay? I ran the one in NABJ. We were like, yeah, we just thought we'd like more collegial conversation. We thought that was just too much heat. I said, heat, baby on the scale of one to ten,

that was a four. That wasn't no heat. Now, what's funny is, everything I said in that segment, Chris Christie has been saying ever since. So who was right? Oh, and by the way, I ain't been back on ABC this week,

not with Stephanopoulos is hosted, Not what Jonathan Carl is hosted, not when Martha Radis is hosting, because I guess, you know, that was just, I wasn't being respectful. I wasn't bowing down to little Chris Christie when he ain't little, but I was not bowing down to Chris Christie. So I made the point, we're going to run this every single year as a reminder of me lighting that ass up. And I was right. Did y'all, and I want you to roll it from the beginning? You got the whole segment. Roll it.

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conspiracy theorists and the truth deniers so you're in a collision course with former president Trump no I'm uh I'm on a course to try to make sure that my party become became remains rather relevant um in the political conversation in this country maybe it is becomes aren't majority you're seeing more and more Republicans are now saying they're buying in to the conspiracy theorists yes in the end I do think that's moving in the other direction I mean I think it'll continue to move in the other direction and and what that speech was all about was to repeat what I said with you on election night. You know, at 2.30 a.m. on election night, when the president made the speech that he made,

President Trump made the speech that he made, I said it was unfounded, and that there was no evidence of anything like what he was talking about, and he needed to stop. And since then, it's taken hold among Republicans. It's taken hold among some Republicans, George. But I think what you're seeing over the course of time as this continues to move past election night and the emotion of an election is that more and more people are saying that that's not true. And by the way, it's also incumbent upon all of us in the party who don't believe it's true to speak out because you're not going to convince everybody overnight.

The same way we're having the conversation about vaccines and you're not going to convince certain people of certain things. I can't tell you many conversations I've had with friends of mine who are smart, good people who aren't vaccinated. So are you getting blowback? I mean, listen, a little bit, but much more praise than blowback for the speech. And so, you know, but in the end, that's not why I gave the speech to either get praise or worry about blowback. You say what you believe. That's what I try to do here every week when I'm on. And I said what I believe on Thursday night.

And it's what I'm going to continue to believe. I just think for four years, we watched Republicans either be silent or be complicit in the building of the monster that is Trump. And even post-Trump, there are still Republicans who are bolstering him, supporting him. So I feel like too little too late. The reality is, is real leadership is stepping up to the main. at the time he was in the seat and saying that we won't budge. And there was none of that. And unfortunately, I don't know what the future of the Republican Party is.

There's so many folks who are now swinging closely. We think about the 47 states that have legislation trying to keep people from voting based on the big lie that we know was not true. We think about January 6th and the insurrection that happened on the structure of democracy itself and democracy. And there are Republicans who don't want to have an investigation into that. So this Republican Party is way far gone, and unfortunately, too little too late. Hold on. I want to get another Republican perspective here from Sarah.

You know, there's seeing a debate there. Chris believes the party's over time moving in this direction if that disagrees. I think that perhaps we will finally see what we didn't get to see in 2016, where there were 17 candidates. Nobody dropped out so that you could have the one-on-one versus Donald Trump. Perhaps it looks like Donald Trump is going to run again. We're certainly told that by all of his advisors and by all accounts from him. If it is Chris Christie versus Donald Trump in the Republican primary, Republicans will have a choice. And certainly Donald Trump is in some ways at his weakest that he's been since he left the White House.

And in other ways, certainly what he has said and Trumpism has picked up within the party. It will be up to Governor Christie to make the case that there is somewhere else to go. But I do think if Trump runs, he may be alone in that lane. And that could be helpful. I'm sorry. Republican Party, they made their choice. And I appreciate the speech, Governor. But the reality is this.

You have to admit, Sarah, you have to admit the role that you played in putting the person in leadership who is driving conspiracy theories. It's one thing to condemn them after the fact, but you have to own up to the role that you played and putting the person in power. The time that... We both ran campaigns against them. No, no, no, no. First off, I don't admit anything to you. Can I finish? Can I finish?

And second, I ran against Donald Trump in 2016. You also coached him. Here's a deal. You ran against him. But when a person has principles, morals, and values, they do not support them even if you lose. And what they say is, what they say is I choose patriotism and the country over party and power. And the problem was too many Republicans chose power. chose power in riding with Donald Trump

as opposed to patriotism in America. I'll sleep fine tonight with you judging my morals. Well, guess what? As a voter who has 13 nieces and nephews, what I also want to see in America are Republicans and Democrats who have the guts to stand up to narcissists, to folks who lie, to folks who sit here

and live a country in the wrong direction. And what that man has unleashed on this country, any Republican who stood with him has to own it and accept the role that they played. Yeah, well, that's fine. I'll accept the role that I played in the 2016 election running against him, and I'll accept the role... Let him finish his point now.

Let him finish his point. And I'll accept the role that I played in my belief that Hillary Clinton was not the right person to be president. We all get to make choices, Roland, in this democracy. I made my choice. I'm on record of my choice, and I'm not walking away from my choice. But it does not preclude me from being able to be critical when the person that I did support does things that I am against.

And so this false choice that you're trying to set up... It's a false choice and one that the American people are not going to buy either. It's unleashed. Let me just press one other point. Right now, I would argue that the fact that so many Americans can't buy into simple facts is probably the biggest existential threat we face to our democracy. So when somebody speaks up for that, isn't it something to be praised? Facts are critically important.

But again, when you support someone who, said fake news who when you were truthful and then push that then when you have the networks and the conservative radio talk show hosts that whole echo chamber driving that that's the problem i am a native of texas who is still registered there and i'm dealing with Greg abbott and dan Patrick who is consistently lying and making things up and you're dealing with that i'm dealing with people who are changing textbooks and as a and as a well here's a deal i have a very basic principles since i've been a journalist if you do good i'll talk about you If you do bad, I'll talk about you.

At the end of the day, I'll talk about you. And somebody has to say what others are afraid to say. Sarah, you get the last word. If you want to persuade half the country that voted for Donald Trump in 2016 to move to your side, then you've got to stop villainizing them. You've got to stop having these conversations where everyone who is not with you is against you. And when someone says that Donald Trump did something wrong, you may want to consider praising that and trying to use that to persuade the people who are not going to be persuasive.

who are not going to be persuaded about it. That is going to have to be the last word, just to make it obviously continue. I'm sure it will in coming weeks. No, we didn't have it in coming weeks because they invited me back since. But here's the reality, and I'm going to start with you, Matt,

on that whole thing right there, and this is the thing that to me that is so laughable, even when I look back at that four years ago, Chris Christie helped Donald Trump prepare for the 2020 debates. Chris Christie was endorsing him. Chris Christie wanted him to beat Biden.

so after four years of all that lying and all that nonsense he was still hoping he was going to win four more years so now after after he loses then January 6th don't try to come now with the Ronald Reagan speech now I wasn't buying that nonsense I mean you're right see also J.D. Vance is in the White House and wasn't he one of the most vocal never Trumpers

you know look I mean there's and then here's the thing Sarah, Isker, her point is one that really infuriated me, because this is exactly what you see people do. You see them move the goalpost, right? It doesn't become like, okay, let's address the fact that you not only aided and abetted, especially Chris Christie will understand that being a former U.S. attorney, you aided and abetted this man who's now in the White House who you're now decrying, or at that point he was out, but who you're now decrying, and you have to address that. And the second thing about that is people have to be able to look at the value or the facts of a platform. It's not a matter of whether they're being, quote,

villainized or not villainized. That's exactly what we're seeing right now. Make your vote based on the substance, not on whether somebody's villainizing you. And I hate that point, because that kind of sanitizing is exactly what we see. Oh, well, people aren't going to want to vote if you make them feel bad about themselves. Well, I'm not going to lie to them so they feel good about themselves. I got to speak the truth of power. And when you do that, people naturally don't like it. And that's exactly what you saw in that segment. And Chris Christie, you know, a speech does not cure your aiding and abetting. And the thing here, Michael,

and this is my problem with the folks at ABC. Oh, that was just too heated. Hell, that wasn't even remotely heated. But see, they don't want that type of grilling on the Sunday morning news shows because those Sunday morning news shows, it's all nice and wonderful and let's go laugh in the green room

and let's package it on the back. No, I'm sorry. You've got to speak truth when you talk on to the American people, and the reality is, That's what I was doing. And listen, I ain't been back there in four years. Morning Joe ain't invited me back since 2015

because I'm not about to sit here and play a little cute-ass little game and make you feel comfortable. I wasn't praising that damn speech after what Chris Christie did. And hell, to make matters worse, he did all that ass kissing of Trump in 2016 and Jared Kushner got him booted off

as the leader of Trump's transition team and he was still standing there with him. I'm like, man, that man dog you in your face talked about your weight just embarrassed you left and you were still ride with him to for 2020 man come on yeah that's what that's what i was going to so i i remember i watched it when it aired live okay uh rolling when when you were on um uh this week i watched it in the air live. But, yeah, so keep in mind, the back story is Chris Christie, when he was U.S. attorney, prosecuted Jared Kushner's father, okay, sit Jared Kushner's father to prison.

This is why there was that animosity between Kushner and Chris Christie, which is why Christy never got a position in the White House, okay? And then, yes, he helped, then he go, after all the humiliation, after all the fact jokes that Trump made about Christy in 2016 when Christy ran for president against Trump or walked for president, one of them.

Then he goes and helps Trump prepare to debate Biden also, okay? You know, in 2020. So it's just ridiculous. He's just capitulating, you know, once again. But these Republicans are cowards. Well, but this also, though, Robert, it speaks to weakness in media.

And so, oh, so, no, we're not going to call you back. Now, mind you, that clip there went viral for 72 hours, actually for the whole week. The right-wing media research center thought they was trying to dog me by posting the clip. See, that sucker hit a million in 48 hours. And I'm sitting here like, really? Like, y'all mad? No, that's the The fact that ABC News

ABC this week has not called me one time in four years shows you how mainstream media operates when they don't want real independent truth tellers on these shows. And why do you think you don't see me on Fox no more? Because this is exactly the point...

Now Fox is the whole file on me. They wouldn't call me. They were like, daw, that Negro there, uh-uh. But this is exactly the point when we're talking about these things in media, which is there's an alternate universe. You know how every movie now has a multiverse? And then there's like the

timeline you go down, the darkest timeline to the apocalypse. That's the one we're on. We're on the bad timeline. And there's an alternate timeline where people listened to you back then, and we went on the Kamala Harris first term. We're building windmills and solar panels everywhere right now. Instead of dealing with tanks in the streets

and the rolling back of every single right we can think of. I think we talked about Chairman Meeks earlier. I think people don't realize what House Republicans have been pulling with this, the funding and the government bill. They locked Congress in for 36 straight hours this week, 36 straight hours to hammer through in the dead of the night, the most draconian cuts, the most concentrating of power into an authoritative way. And Chairman meets on the House Foreign Relations Committee, fearlessly led Democrats. He held them together, because just like you saw today, it's hard

to hold Democrats together in a caucus or in a group, he helped them together to oppose every single amendment the Republicans were putting forth in the House Foreign Relations Committee. And it's so important for people to understand that this is a fight for the nation's very soul. And we listened to you back then to draw that contrast. That's the big issue, the contrast. People thought, well, if Kamala is here and Trump is here, they're about the same, so I might well go with the guy who's cool to hanging out with the rock stars or something. We have to draw that contrast so people really understand the type of things. take over the government that is taking place right now, right under our chins, and by

the time we figure out, look, think about this way, when you get a rental car, you don't put rims on it. If you get an Airbnb, you don't get custom cabinets in the kitchen. If you plan on leaving somewhere, you don't start customizing it. You don't build a $200 million ballroom. You don't get a $400 million bribe jet from Qatar. You don't start decorating the train station in D.C. to make it better for your friends. friends to come party and go to dinner.

People are in an existential threat for America, and we have to understand the truth tellers like you are what's important right now. And what happens is, again, by calling them out, they have to own up to, like Sarah, she went to go work for Jeff Sessions in the Department of Justice. They have to own up to they legitimize Trump.

They have to own it. And I ain't going to never let them forget that they allow that man to come into power. And that's just the facts. Will they like it or not? So ABC this week, y'all can call a brother, but it's all good, though. That's why I got my own show.

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