#RolandMartinUnfiltered - McDonald’s Boycott/Suit, Mamdani’s NYC Win, Protest History, Karmelo Anthony Indicted, Shop Red Bag

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

6.25.2025 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: McDonald’s Boycott/Suit, Mamdani’s NYC Win, Protest History, Karmelo Anthony Indicted, Shop Red Bag A national boycott of McDonald's is gaining momentum, led by The People's Union USA, as former franchisees file a lawsuit alleging discrimination against the fast-food giant.  We have one of the attorneys and plaintiffs in the case joining us.   In a major political shakeup, Zohran Mamdani, a Democratic Socialist and state assembly member, wins New York City's Democratic mayoral primary. We'll examine how this win could reshape cost-of-living policies for working-class New Yorkers. The book "A Protest History of the United States" explores more than 400 years of resistance, proving that today's unrest is part of a long legacy. We'll talk to the author. The Black Texas teen who says he stabbed a white student at a track meet is facing first-degree murder charges. In our Marketplace, we're spotlighting Shop Red Bag, launched by Cistus Media -- a one-stop shop for Americans boycotting big-box stores like Target and Walmart.  #BlackStarNetwork partner: Fanbasehttps://www.startengine.com/offering/fanbase This Reg A+ offering is made available through StartEngine Primary, LLC, member FINRA/SIPC.  This investment is speculative, illiquid, and involves a high degree of risk, including the possible loss of your entire investment. You should read the Offering Circular (https://bit.ly/3VDPKjD) and Risks (https://bit.ly/3ZQzHl0) related to this offering before investing. Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Alright folks, the national boycott of McDonald's is underway, led by the People's Union USA. The accusing the fast food giant of backing away from its promises to the black community. Earlier this year, McDonald's quietly scaled back key diversity initiatives, dropping its aspirational representation goals and removing a DEI pledge for suppliers. The company claims it's just shifting

to a more integrated approach to inclusion tied to business performance. But folks say, the community say they see it differently. Now, in addition to that, more than 40 former black McDonald's franchisee owners are already suing the company. They allege systemic discrimination and they've now joined the boycott. The former franchise owners are calling on the company to keep its promises,

renew its commitment, and do right by the black operators who say they were denied a fair chance at success. McDonald's insists its commitment to inclusion is unwavering and says the boycott's claims are misleading. The boycott runs through June 30th. Joining us now is Quinn Rawlins, attorney for the plaintiffs and Kenneth Manning, a former McDonald's franchisee glad to have both of you here. First and foremost, Quinn,

how many different franchisees are you representing in this lawsuit? It's approximately 47 rolling from all around the country from Florida to Georgia, Illinois, expands the game across the United States because they have a shared experience. And what is it that they are alleging? from Florida to Georgia, Illinois, it spans the gamut across the United States because they have a shared experience.

And what is it that they are alleging? Yes, so we have multiple claims. The big claims are racial discrimination and contracting with McDonald's and racial discrimination in the leases they received. But ultimately, they are alleging that they were given the stores that were less profitable in neighborhoods that they didn't necessarily prioritize.

And they had unreasonable expectations about what these franchisees were able to do, had unreasonable expectations of timeliness. And some of that is because we argue and allege is because they were intentionally discrimination against franchisees because they were black, like Kenneth Manning. And when you talk and when they talk about terms

of what's being unfair, are they alleging that the company put them in difficult positions to succeed and provided better opportunities, better locations for white franchisees? Absolutely, absolutely. And the beauty of the court allowing, ultimately we believe they allowed us litigation to proceed. The franchisees that we represent,

the individuals will have an opportunity to explore all those white owners and create the evidence about the opportunities they receive that our clients did not. Kenneth, where was your store or stores? Yeah, thanks for having me rolling. My stores were located in two

markets in Montgomery, Alabama. We have five locations in that market, and then the next TV market was the Birmingham, Alabama TV market. So you had a total of how many franchises? At 15, I did 15 stores in one night rolling. I sold three of my restaurants to my brother, or at least two of the three to my brother. We were both in North Carolina at the time. And late 2009, early 2010, I did a deal for 15 restaurants in one night

in both of those markets. Now, no, no, no, no, one second. When you say 15 restaurants in one night, what does that mean? Yes, so I purchased, I sold three restaurants on December 8th, 2009, and bought 15 restaurants on December 8th, 2009 in one night. That's correct.

Okay. And then what happened next? Well, I picked up an additional restaurant. McDonald's called and asked me to help them out to avoid litigation from a white owner, actually, who was going to sue them in about two weeks. And McDonald's asked me to pick up this Centerville location in Centerville, Alabama, which I did in sometime in 2011. And I did that. And so that became the 16th restaurant

that I owned in that market. Okay. So you own 16 then what happened? Well, I can tell you there was a deal that was offered to me when I took over the 15 restaurants. They had asked me to move up a rebuild of my West South location four years earlier than it should have happened or that we agreed to happen in the contract in the purchase and sale agreement. With the intent for me to receive another restaurant, the Hope Hall location was about a mile and a half down the road. After picking up the 16th restaurant, half down the road. After picking up the 16th restaurant, I get another call from the QSC VP, the Vice President of Operations, and stated that he was not going to award me that store and that he was going to award it to a white operator some 40 miles away. Of course, I pushed back. I said that's not the deal that we had. And he basically said, well,

you're unexpandable. The well, you're unexpandable. The team says you're unexpandable. The field service team says you're unexpandable. I immediately responded, I'm not unexpandable. And my last operator review suggested that I was unexpandable, said that I was unexpandable. He held to that and said that there were two standards. One that if you buy a restaurant from the field, you can do that being un-expandable,

but if McDonald's offers you the restaurant, you need it to be expandable. I said, well, McDonald's offers- Hold up, for the people who don't, what does expandable and unexpandable mean? It means you have an opportunity to grow your organization, right? But I'm confused, you did that, you went from-

Oh, that's correct. You went from one to five to sixteen. So so What did they lay out to you with a definition of? unexpandable means well They didn't they told me that the field service teams suggested that I was not eligible to grow any longer which shocked me Quite honestly, I was offended Which shocked me. Quite honestly, I was offended.

Particularly since I said to the vice president that you called and asked me to purchase a 16th restaurant, and at that time I was unexpandable. And nowhere had I been notified that I wasn't unexpanded until they awarded this store, and that's the way it's going to be. So I can tell you what happened next, Roland. I saw the global chief of franchising at a meeting in Houston.

And he said to me that I heard you making trouble down there in Atlanta. I said, well, what do you mean? He says that you are angry about not getting that store. I said, no, that's not what happened. The vice president has a right to award the store to who he wants to, even if he changes his mind, right? What I was concerned about was that the standard had changed and that he tried to convince me that there were two standards in play here.

Now, I can tell you, Roland, I was the, what they call the real team chair for the East Division, which was the committee that was a expert on the franchise agreement. Our role was to teach the operators in the division about the franchise agreement. So I was the last person to say that something in that franchise agreement or rules that I was not going to be one that didn't understand that. And so when I challenged them, they sent out two field service managers to do inspections late on a Friday night at my restaurant which I told the franchising officer that I thought that was a

Unfair and that sucked basically and from there just went on downhill When we talk about your other plaintiffs and I've heard and I've talked to different franchisees former franchisees over the years, some complained about that people, first of all, don't understand the process that most McDonald's are owned by individual owners. They're called franchisees, McDonald's owns the land, but McDonald's also has requirements.

And some franchisees have said that they've been asked to do upkeep, to rebuild stores, things along those lines, and that's money that's coming out of their pocket. And so, beside what Kenneth has laid out, what are some of the other allegations that these former franchisees are making? Sure, so the beauty of this lawsuit is there are individuals who come from different walks of life around the country,

but they have shared experiences. One of our clients, he's been very outspoken. His name is Van Jakes. He's a former football player based out of Atlanta. And him and several other of our clients share stories similar to Ken. It's once they started expressing frustration with the unequal treatment, there was retaliation.

And that's actually one of our claims is that in many ways some of our clients were forced out of the McDonald's system because they were getting out of line, asking questions, critiquing McDonald's actions in contrast with the franchise agreements. And McDonald's was asking them to play by a different set of rules.

And that was especially concerning because for many of our clients they were leaders in their respect of regions and like can they knew the rules verbatim some of them help craft rules and it is it is disparaging when they ask to do things that other white owners specifically we're not asked to do in this respect respective regions and around the country. Let me piggyback on that for a second, Roland, if you don't mind. Go ahead.

When I went to sell my three stores to my brother, before I could even get it out, when they called and asked me, who was I selling my three restaurants, there were three very good restaurants in North Carolina. Jeff Wilfong, QSCVP in Raleigh, said that he was not going to approve the deal. Not even had I sent the contract up or put in front of him any terms of the deal.

When I put in front of him the terms of the deal, they denied the deal and gave a reason that was not a business reason. They went so far as to, after three months of going back and forth, conference calls, meetings, conference calls, meetings, they decided to only allow my brother to buy two of the three restaurants and went so far as to, and I can tell you, Marty Raff went so far to take money from the company and give it to the operator who was going to buy the other store that

they would not allow my brother to buy because the other operator did not want to pay me full value. So they put $170,000 into the deal, coded it something different just so I could not sell my three stores to my brother. And then afterwards, I get a letter months later stating from Chief Legal Counsel franchising John Richardson stating that I could not buy the restaurants back for my

brother when white operators routinely buy their restaurants back and forth from family members. There was no such rule for a period of 10 years. There was no such rule. Quinn, there was a period for almost three years where McDonald's had a black CEO over the company worldwide. That was Don Thompson. That was 2012, 2015.

Please go to my page, guys. Come on. And this is Don Thompson here. And the board felt the stock price had not recovered. And so then he was replaced by Steve Easterbrook. And Quinn, do your... I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes, but there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always

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Get your tickets today, AXS.com. Get your tickets today AXS.com. The franchisees alleged that the atmosphere at McDonald's completely changed post Don Thompson. I know there are others have said that there were a significant number of African-Americans who were in senior level positions when he was the CEO. And ever since then that has changed dramatically. Sure, I think that the respective clients

have different views about their experiences with Don Thompson's leadership. But everybody shares a collective view that McDonald's is an institution. And it's only so much one individual can do. But certainly during the time with Don Thompson franchisees continued to struggle, not to say that he didn't put forth significant effort to try to improve that situation. But since the leadership of Chris K. and Easterbrook,

there has been a dramatic decline in the number of black franchisees and experiences. And our clients like Ken Manning can speak directly to what their experiences were during those changes. Well, it is, so again, you have 47 folks who have evolved in this particular lawsuit. And so certainly keep us up to date. What happens next as relates to your lawsuit against McDonald's? Thank you, Roland. All right. Roland for having us. I appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

All right, folks, I'm going to introduce my now. I'll bring them into, first of all, before we do that, this is the statement that McDonald's released. Says, quote, as a brand that serves millions of people every day, McDonald's opens our doors to everyone, and our commitment to inclusion remains steadfast. We welcome honest dialogue with the communities we serve, but we're disappointed to see these misleading claims

that distort our values and misrepresent our actions. Now also of course, not tied to this lawsuit, McDonald's recently settled their lawsuit with Byron Allen where he alleged that the company was not doing business with him advertising wise and again, that lawsuit was scheduled to go to trial and then it was settled. Full disclosure McDonald's previously advertised with us here at the Black Star Network

they have not done so in two years and so the last time they did was in 2023. And that was the last time they did. So that's what happened there. All right, folks, Rob Petillo, who is Communications Director for Congressman Jonathan Jackson, joins us from Atlanta, Rebecca Carrillo is Executive Vice President Fair Election Center out of DC,

Tyler McMillan, Social Justice Leader and Movement Strategist out of DC. Rebecca, when you look at this protest being launched against McDonald's, you are seeing how different people are moving. Of course, we remember when you had efforts to unionize Starbucks, then of course you have this here. You are seeing different workers in different groups,

the type of actions they are taking against various companies. And that's the case with the peoples, with this group launching this one week boycott. So I really want us as a black community to move towards a comprehensive boycott strategy. Just like we have international sanctions and foreign affairs, they are effective, but they're never meant to go on for years at a time. It has to be targeted. It has to be specific. It has to have

specific outcome. What's interesting with McDonald's and its appearance to move back from DEI, like I remember all the time in the 90s, the odds, the 2010s, when McDonald's had 365 Black and McDonald's spent a lot of time talking about diversity. But what's also interesting in listening to McDonald's statement of saying that it has to keep its practices in line to its bottom line, but also it needs to be inclusive for all. One thing that's interesting is that, as we talk about on the show,

DEI primarily benefits white women. But when we hear about these DEI pullbacks, it's more of, oh, you can't do things that are too much for black people, because for some reason, I guess the assumption is it's going to be to the detriment of everyone else. So it's really interesting hearing these corporations talking about they're taking a scale back on DE&I efforts because they want to be inclusive for all. It's almost as if they forgot what the I stands for.

out what the I stands for. So allow me to, first of all, we have to do a couple of things. And this is for the purpose of the audience. There's a difference between who holds DEI jobs and diversity equity inclusion programs. Now even so we know that 75, 78% of DEI jobs held by white folks. Well that's corporate leaders picking somebody in a senior position that they're comfortable with. Now we talk about contracts. We know that with, we talk about depending upon the company, depending upon the city, county, state, the numbers vary. Federal government of a $37

billion DBE program, $37 billion, 78% of those dollars go to white women businesses. But last year on the Biden Harris, there was a record $10 billion. So I don't want us Robert to make the mistake. And I've seen that heard this a lot where folks say, well, I don't give a damn about DEI without understanding. No, what's all underneath DEI?

Do you have business diversity, supplier diversity, what, senior level positions, boys, there are a series of things. And so we're gonna be very careful again when we talk about language. And I've heard people, so many people, social media and the places go, man, damn that, we ain't benefiting from DEI.

Not understanding that you do have contracts that fall underneath that, that African Americans have been benefiting from. When you talk about this people's union, this guy, John Schwartz, John Schwartz, what they have been doing is targeting a variety of companies for the last few months.

This is a story here in USA Today that talks about that. And it says the organizer of the boycott goes by the one called Jai on Instagram. This real name is John Swartz. And he told you today today he started the bold idea because the time was right and people are frustrated with what he calls corporate greed and other frustrations. Oh look Rowland, one of the things I want people

to understand and I've had the privilege of working with Congressman John Vajatsen on building the Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Caucus in Congress, which has been to address much of this information. We've allowed the other side to win the information war when it comes to diversity, equity and inclusion. I want folks to understand, as much as we hear the social media co-intellectual programming

saying, oh, diversity only helps white women, anyone who didn't have rights in 1776 is covered by diversity, equity and inclusion. If you were not a straight, white, Anglo-Saxon, land-owning male at the moment that the Declaration of Independence was signed, you are diversity in this country. When we're talking about DEI, that means ramped for disabled people to get into buildings. That's diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility. When we're talking about veterans having the opportunity to learn how to code, having employment preferences after serving this country, that's diversity, equity and inclusion. When we're

talking about the EEOC, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, I'm trained as a labor and employment lawyer. That goes away because that's part of diversity, equity and inclusion. When they talk about getting rid of woke programs and woke federal departments, the fact that your boss can't come into your office right now, call you the N word and say I'm firing you because you're black. That is diversity, equity and inclusion. If you get rid of those protections, then that moves the ball backwards. That pushes us in a direction that we have not gone backwards from in over 50 years.

What these people are talking about when they're talking about getting rid of DEI is systematically not chipping away at the civil rights movement as has been done before, putting a piece of dynamite in it. As Elon said, the wholesale deletion of federal agencies. And now that we're looking at them destroying the voting rights, destroying the civil rights, destroying equal opportunity, all in the name of getting rid of woke programs, are we really going to be so fooled by online social media influencers that we are the first generation that they hand the baton to to bring black folks to freedom and we drop the baton and say, I ain't gonna do it. And that's where we are at currently.

So I want folks to really read up and understand exactly what they mean when they say they're getting rid of diversity, equity, and inclusion programs, because these corporations, I hope people understand at this point in time, do not care about you, they do not love you, they are here for money. That is the only reason they care about you.

And when we are out and we are active, when we are protesting, we're showing that we matter, they'll pledge everything. They'll have all black folks in the commercial, all of those things. But when those winds shift as they're shifting right now, they go right back to what's making the money. And when we're talking about all the people who didn't have rights in 1776, we need to be building those alliances across the board. And if it shouldn't just be us protesting, it shouldn't be just us boycotted. We need to have that entire big tent umbrella that they talk about during the election season, and they need to be fighting here with us.

And Ty Leake, look, this thing has now gone and impacted everything. Massive pullback when it came to Black History Month. I remember during Black History Month, there was one Speaker's Bureau that said their bookings were down about 62 to 65%. Then we talk about Black History Month. Now we just saw this with Juneteenth. Only been a federal holiday, what, now, you know, two years, go to my iPad.

This story here says Verizon and Amazon cancel support for Juneteenth celebrations. And the story talks about all these different companies that pulled out. In Denver, the annual Juneteenth music festival was cut from two days to one due to, quote, a sharp decline in corporate sponsorships. This thing goes on and on and on.

And so what you saw is the rise in its financial support for the Juneteenth in the Streets Festival in Santa Clara County, California. And it goes on and on and on. So here's the whole question. Okay, what the hell does that have to do with DEI? So here's my question. Okay, are these hell does that have to do with DEI? So here's my question. Okay, are these companies going to scale back

on other holidays? Are they gonna, who they support? And so many of them are using Donald Trump and their conservatives attacking DEI as a way for them to say, cool, we're now good. We can get rid of all these programs. We don't have to support these initiatives. We don't have to support these initiatives. We don't have to advertise with black on media.

We don't have to do any of this stuff. If it involves people of color, we can just do whatever the hell we want. That's also a huge part of this pushback from lots of folks. Yeah, absolutely, Roland. And I can agree more with panelists. You know, the fact that they're pulling away is a clear message of where they stand at. And as we say, you know, equity is not a slogan, it's a standard.

And I think, you know, these companies are showing where their standard is. Even as we look at McDonald's conversation, you know, where the target audience is, particularly to our communities, it isn't just symbolic that they're retreating from their investments, but they're quite frankly signaling that racial equity can be sacrificed. And I think even as we have this conversation around boycottingcott whether it's Target or Amazon, we really have to look at our spending dollars and see where, you know, what those investments are going and how we can really control our dollar

and control the market. Yep, indeed, indeed. All right, folks, I gotta go to break. We come back. Man, why are all these people hot and bothered because a Democratic assemblyman won the primary last night for mayor of New York City. He's a socialist.

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All right, so let's get to this. Here's what I, I've just been just looking at the tweets today and going, I'm confused why y'all so mad. Oh, I saw, let me find. First of all, Wall Street's been losing their mind. Here were some of the idiots on CNBC who were just going, who were just, oh my God, what do we do?

Listen to this. Gotham, have you seen what Batman is up against in Gotham and what the guy running for mayor is up against? That's what it reminds me of. They're taking Wall Streeters and making them walk out onto the ice in the East River and then they fall through. I mean, there is a class warfare that's going... So what's happened here, I think, is...

Eat the rich type... There's a division within... warfare that's going... So what's happened here, I think is... Eat the rich type... There's a division within... ...what the hell they were talking about. I just don't. They were just sitting here just... just... they dumping them in the water

and... I mean that's literally what it sounded like. So... Plus that dude was talking to a huge, huge Donald Trump Magistr supporter here is, uh, CNBC host David Faber, uh, uh, being extremely, uh, petty, uh, extremely, um, um, ridiculous. So, so listen to this with his conversation with Jim Kramer. Watch this. Just it is not the closing of a steakhouse that David Zasloff likes to, and you like to go to,

well you and I have had dinner there a few times. Yes, and you and I are gonna recreate that place. The rent's too high, you know what? The new mayor potentially of New York is gonna freeze the rents and everybody eats for free, so they don't have to worry. Really? Yeah. But how about the rich?

No, no, well, no. Do they get shot? Yes, they get taken away. Are how about the rich? No, no. Well, no. Do they get shot? Yes. They get taken away. Are we cool at this? Yes, they get taken away. We have to go. In 23?

We have to leave now. But everybody else, there he is, Mom Donnie. Maybe he's more modern than we think. Winning the Democratic primary for mayor and potentially the successor of Eric Adams. That said, there's still a general election to come here in New York. By the way, of course, we're here, we talk about it,

but we are talking about a two trillion dollar economy. Yeah, it is. You know, he wants to get the rents down. One good way to do it is to stop all business and drive everybody out. That'll bring the rents down. That's a very good point. Right. Jersey, where I am. Yeah. All right. What what the hell? Why are these folks freaking out?

Because it's been a very long time since we've had a candidate who's been able to articulate a vision so concisely about wealth distribution and a more equitable New York City. And so his campaign was very clear about, you know, free buses, affordable housing, grocery stores, in particular, boroughs, because he is an active member of the Democratic Socialists of America. What I think a lot of Democrats underestimated is that there's so many New Yorkers who are struggling, they are willing to take a chance on new ideas. And Cuomo, who many elected officials backed,

current elected officials, past elected officials, elected officials who weren't officials, past elected officials, elected officials who weren't even in New York City decided to double down and support Andrew Cuomo because they assumed that he would win. Andrew Cuomo ran a coronation. He did not run a campaign. He said very little.

He participated in no forums. He only participated in two debates and one or two interviews and that's it. Because Andrew Cuomo knows New York State, but he doesn't really know New York City and he hasn't lived in New York City for several decades. And so Zahram Mabdani had an amazing ground game. He had thousands of volunteers.

In many ways, it looked like he was the only person running in the city for several months. And he was able to have a huge groundswell of people who had a vision of a city that they could actually afford. And there are a lot of people who had a vision of a city that they could actually afford. And there are a lot of people who are not just since COVID, but even before COVID have been struggling financially.

And he's presenting solutions. Honestly, Roland, I thought that the election would be one of two ways. Because there's so much chaos at the top of the government in Washington, DC with the Trump administration. I thought that some New Yorkers would want a status quo election, such that when things are uncertain at the top,

you just want to sort of have things stay the same at the local level. But Zahram Mdani awakens something in a lot of voters. That's what I keep hearing from people who supported him and ranked him number one, in the sense that because there is so much chaos and uncertainty at the top of our government, they were willing to take a chance on someone who had bold and new ideas who said we actually don't have to live with the status quo. You don't have to vote for someone

who's 67 years old who would have been the oldest New York City mayor in the history of the city, who has his own corruption probes, who has his own me too, several over, you know, almost a dozen women accused him of sexual misconduct. We don't actually have to have elected officials with this amount of baggage. And so it feels very 2008 Barack Obama. You know, there's this inspiring message, there's hope. The difference is Obama wasn't a progressive.

Zahra Mabdani is very clear, he is a progressive and he believes in wealth distribution and moving things around. The city of New York, the mayor, his budget is spoken for pretty much. About 95 to 97 percent of the New York City budget is ironclad. But that little 3 percent, that 3 to 5 percent that the mayor actually has that wiggle room about, Zahram Mabdani wants to actually have new ideas and move it around. I've told him very clearly that I think

that a lot of his ideas work under a Biden administration. I'm not convinced that they necessarily work under a Trump administration, but he's clearly making the case each day with thousands of New Yorkers. And by adding in Brad Lander, who's the current controller, for those of you who don't live in New York City, the controller is the money man,

the guy that sort of handles all of the trillions of dollars that pass through this city. By teaming up with Brad Lander, it does feel like 2008 Obama and Biden, where you have this young upstart who doesn't have a legislative record, but he's not actually running for a legislative position. He's running for an executive position. And he's teaming up with an elder statesman who has been elected citywide, who can serve as an advisor and essentially someone who cosigns and says, I know actually about some of the finances and how to move

money around and I will help this, this young sort of inspiring candidate be the best mayor that he can be. So what I did, so we had Michael Blake on, I think we had another candidate on and we were trying to get some other ones on. I didn't spend a lot of time on the show, on the primary, because the bottom line is, when you have so many different candidates, look, it becomes chaotic.

So typically I don't spend time on primaries. I just don't, okay? Especially when you're talking about cities, congressional races, state races, things along those lines. But I was following this. And so here's the thing to me, guys, go, thank you. Go, what are we doing?

Thank you, stick with the two shot. Here's what I don't understand. And I'm following this here. He ran a campaign. What he did was he focused like a laser on his message. I saw a lot of the ads and I was like, damn. That's a damn good ad. Good ad.

What you just laid out, he really went after young voters. It is a fact that young voters, millennials in Gen Z, are being impacted financially a lot different than baby boomers in Gen X. There's been lots of frustration. And what he did was he talked to people who had checked out of the process. So what he actually did is what many of us

have been saying to Democrats, you need to appeal to people who do who no longer believe in a system. And here is someone who they said, man, I like what he's saying. I like how he's saying he was extremely locked in on TikTok, on Instagram. He was running a real campaign. So I'm just trying to figure out why all these people are freaking out. Maybe it's because the conventional wisdom is always, oh no, Cuomo, well known, lots of money.

Bloomberg dumped millions into his campaign. Guess what? He's gonna cakewalk as opposed to, oh, he got out-campaigned. Yeah. I mean, Roland, you're so right. I mean, we know that Bloomberg dropped 8.3 million on the books.

We, you know, there's always money off the books too. DoorDash, Bill Ackman, you know, Bill Ackman, the architect behind getting rid of Claudine Gay at Harvard, who's also the best friend of Whitney Tilson, who's also a candidate for mayor. Zora Momdani ran a campaign. He was one of the few candidates that you even knew was running for mayor. And I think youth in this instance does help. His use of Instagram and TikTok and social

media and inspiring young people definitely helped. His stance on the Middle East was not with the pack and the herd. You know. In the second debate when they were all asked where they would travel right after they became mayor, everyone said Israel except for Zoram Amdani. He said I'm the mayor of New York. I should probably stay in New York and get my job done. And he was pressed constantly and sort of given this label that he's an anti-Semite just because he wouldn't say that he traveled to Israel in his first place. So I think a lot of people really respected the fact that he stood up for some values and principles that he traveled to Israel in his first place. So, you know, I think a lot of people really respected the fact that he stood up for some values

and principles that he has. And again, younger people skew a lot more progressive on the Middle East questions and the quandaries that are happening there. And then, you know, I think Roland, when you have someone like Andrew Cuomo who just runs a coordination and it's, I have the money and I have the big guys and I'll win, without a real message, without connecting to voters.

And sadly, black voters oftentimes can be cheap dates, especially those who are older. Andrew Cuomo promised nothing. He did very well with the black community because many people love and respect his dad, because he's a known quantity, because there was an assumption that he would win. You see a lot of black elected in New York City lining up behind him. But moving forward, I'm always curious as to how four groups will behave.

And that's the business community, the real estate community, the labor unions and the Hasidic community. And depending on how those four groups break, that won't give us a clear indication as to whether or not Zoram Mamdani has a fighting chance on November 4th, or if we will see the business and real estate community circle back around the block and go with Eric Adams because they invested a lot of money in Eric Adams.

But here's the deal though, when you're running, you put together coalitions. So this is the New York Times right here. They broke down. And first of all, folks, we don't have 100% precincts reporting because you got to remember put together coalitions. So this is the New York Times right here. They broke down. And first of all, folks, we don't have 100% precincts reporting because you gotta remember they're still accounting because of ranked and all this sort of stuff like that.

July 1st, we'll have a proper account. But here's what's amazing. You listen to all those hacks on the CNBC. Oh my God, they're gonna be leaving New York City. The neighborhoods with higher incomes, he won. He demolished Cuomo in those neighborhoods. So the folk with money in New York City clearly wasn't scared of the socialists.

Middle income residents, 47% was again, now granted, 49% of the precincts reporting there, 24% were higher income residents. But it was a higher percentage gap between Cuomo there, 24% with higher income residents. But it was a higher percentage gap between Cuomo and Mamdani on higher income residents. Lower income residents, Cuomo won by 11 points. College graduates, Mamdani beats them by 17 points. White residents, he wins plus five.

Hispanic residents, he wins plus seven. Black residents, Cuomo plus 17. Asian residents, he is plus 16. More renters, that was a huge issue. He was plus 14. That is what is called a winning coalition. And again, that's how you win. What Cuomo tried to do is appeal to Jewish voters,

appeal to anti-Muslim voters. He tried to do a foot dance with Trump, not as bad as Eric Adams when it comes to the whole immigration issue. Whereas this guy, if you just look at how it was constructed, it was, and also Bernie Sanders, this is called identity politics, how you target different groups politically. But this is called how you construct a winning campaign.

I'm just sitting here watching these people going, what is wrong with y'all? Study what actually happened. But Roland, I mean, this is a classic case of, Andrew Cuomo hasn't lived in New York City since he was 19 years old. So he doesn't really know the city. And so he came in relatively late to the, very late actually to the campaign

and just thought that money would be the thing. And what he didn't realize is A, the city has changed. B, there are a lot of wealthy New Yorkers. They're not super, super rich. They're not mega millionaires. But they recognize that making sure that people have a place to live, a place to work, it's that old sort of adage. Also because you need workers. You need also, also, Roland. You need workers. But also, when we think about the French Revolution, if you starve the poor, they have nothing left

to eat but the rich. And so I think a lot of people recognize that you can't starve certain classes in the city. Right. Many of them will not be able to leave. And so what happened? Right? I mean, many New Yorkers...

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before David Dinkins was elected, when crime was rampant and you saw, you know, thousands of murders a year. I also think, you know, for me, and this was part of the reason, besides the Me Too stuff, besides the corruption, besides the antiquated messaging of which there was very little.

But for me with Andrew Cuomo, the reason why I was against his candidacy is because, Roland, I was convinced that if Andrew Cuomo got into office, and there's still a possibility because he's still on an independent line, that he and Donald Trump have known each other for almost five decades now,

and they've had their ups and downs. But there clearly has to be a meeting point of the two of them. Obviously the power dynamic has changed several different times over the course of their relationship. And my biggest fear was that the bargaining chip that Andrew Cuomo would use to get into the good graces

of Donald Trump would be Tish James, our attorney general, because of their mutual hatred for this black woman who has done her job and actually gone after both of these corrupt men. And so that was my biggest concern with having an Andrew Cuomo as the executive in New York City. I know you got a hard eye.

I want my panelists to be able to get that question for you. There's some other stuff that I want to talk about. I want to tie in the sister who launched in Buffalo a couple of years ago, but let me go to the panelists first. Tylek, I'll start with you, your question for Christina. Yeah, absolutely. And I think, you know, it's amazing of the race. I think as you all mentioned,

he proved what out organized institutional politics can give you and if you give them a chance and progressive politics doesn't have to be something to shy away from, but it's actually something where we demand affordability and democracy that works for us all. What do you think is the ground game going into November's election day against so many odds

that stacked against them and all the messaging from the New York Times to mega millionaires in their messaging against Montgomery. Well, if he keeps up the pace of the hard work that he's done, I think, you know, he's got a fighting chance, but we have to remember that New York gets this reputation of being a lot more progressive than it actually is.

We have many different shades of color blue and purple and red in this city, right? We always just say like, oh, Staten Island's the red part. It's like, no, no, no. We know that there are red parts and purple and red in this city, right? We always just say like, oh Staten Island is the red part. It's like, no, no, no. We know that there are red parts and purple parts of Manhattan, of Brooklyn, definitely the Bronx and definitely Queens. And so this vision will be stamped as, you know,

this socialist vision, which obviously for Latino communities, right? That's been a boogeyman word that has sort of ushered them away from progressive politics. We know that not all Black people and not many Black people are hardcore progressives. Even if some of the policies will most likely benefit us, we are strategic voters and we have to go to the polls thinking of everybody else, especially how the vast majority of white voters will behave.

So oftentimes we might vote for our second or third choice candidate because we'd rather get something than nothing. And so it will be incumbent upon Zeron to present this message to various groups of participatory New Yorkers and Black New Yorkers overperform at the ballot box. But the electorate November 4th looks very differently than the electorate we saw last night. And so it'll be a larger group, even though our participation rates are pretty abysmal. But it'll be a much more moderate to conservative group that's turning out.

And so how he pivots, not necessarily moves, but how he pivots some of the messaging so that people aren't afraid of some of the distributional politics that he's proposing will sort of be the case. And so we also have to remember, again, those four groups that I mentioned, real estate, business, labor, and Hasidic Jewish.

Well, plus, there's going to be a vicious media assault daily against him between now and November 4th. Rebecca. Thank you for being on the show tonight. So I've been looking at the latest numbers, and it looks like Cuomo almost got the plus 20 over index on black voters. Mom Donnie is almost down 20 with black voters.

Eric Adams is going to be running as an independent. There's rumors that Cuomo is going to run as an independent. I also heard both Don Lemon and Clay Kane earlier today were talking about how Mamdani did not do significant outreach with black media. Can you talk more or share more why or what Mamdani's efforts towards black communities in New York has looked like? Yeah, so I think moving forward,

I think we'll probably see much more outreach. But keep in mind, in a primary, you've got a limited time. You have to figure out who are going to be your number ones in the Frank Choice voting system. And black people were very clearly with Andrew Cuomo. So that doesn't mean that he's not going to reach out to black people. But strategically, it didn't make sense for his campaign to try and convert people that were very clear already with a candidate. Now how he moves forward in the summer will say a lot.

I've had issues with the DSA in the past, the Democratic Socialists of America. I've been very clear on my podcast. I don't like the way they talk to black people. I don't like the way they talk at black people. And so I've been very clear that at a certain point in time, he's either gonna have to pivot away from them or explain to them that you can't go into black communities and finger wag

and tell black people how they should be voting when we have to be strategic to make sure that our rights are protected. Because don't forget, we're the ones who were on the front lines making sure that everyone has these rights that we so frequently enjoy. So I'm curious to see how he will move forward. I mean, he was on Miro.

I know he was on, you know, Breakfast Club. I know that he's not afraid to talk to black people. That's been very clear. He also walked the length of Manhattan and talked to all different types of New Yorkers. I am curious to see who will be in his volunteer corps, but part of those numbers that you're seeing is because Andrew Cuomo essentially presented it

where it's like, I have black people on lock. So when you have a very limited of time to get across the finish line, that's not the time to convert black people from June 25th to November 5th or November 4th is the time to convert black people. But in a primary, when you already know who your universe of voters will be, that wasn't strategically, it made sense. If I were his campaign director, I would probably advise the same thing. Plus you looking at, you had Cuomo, you had Adrian Adams, the council president. You had Zoner Myrie, you had Michael Blake, you had Adrian Adams, and you had Cuomo,

who's getting all the endorsements from everyone from Al Sharpton to James Clyburn. Yep. And nothing of the local elected members of, black elected members of Congress and the state house. Robert. You know, I think what's playing out in New York is very much what's playing out

in the party writ large nationwide. I got this battle between, are we supposed to pick the safe kind of establishment pick or really push forward a strong progressive agenda? What lessons can the rest of the country learn from this race about just as the young folks say, say it with your chest. None of these infamisms, none of this maga light

that we're hearing from most of the Democratic Party, like, just say what you want. We're gonna legalize prostitution. We're legalizing weed. You can, what's wrong with just saying the things that people actually agree with? And will Democrats learn that that might be the way to win elections by giving people what they care about?

Right, but here's where it gets complicated. Because our tent is so large, there are several Democrats who do not believe in those issues. And so, but we're still in the same party. So I don't know if this particular election is a mandate. Let's just say hypothetically, Zahram Mdani is successful on November 4th. I don't know if this particular election is a mandate. Let's just say, hypothetically, Zahram Mdani is successful on November 4th.

I don't know if this particular election is a mandate for the larger party writ large. Now, there are a lot of Democrats who are saying, why are we just Republican-like? Why are we constantly moving to the middle and essentially acting like George H.W. Bush Republican, right, because the Republican party has moved so far to the right,

we can't even recognize them. But then there are other Democrats who want to be progressives. But then there are other Democrats who want to be progressives. And then there's a third category where they like to sort of slide across the scale because they recognize to be calcified in one camp or the other doesn't make sense.

So it will be interesting to see. I was on a radio show and NPR this morning, Zoram Amjani was on right before I was, where he said, you know, Michael Bloomberg had some good ideas, which I had a lot of smoke from Michael Bloomberg the 12 years he was in office, but he actually did have some good ideas. He protected our watershed. We have some of the best water in the city of New York, which keeps us and millions of

other people safe. So, you know, the list goes on and on, but there's some progressives who don't want to hear that at all. And then there are other folks who will say, well, obviously, if you're progressive, you have to be open to working with people who aren't so calcified and rigidly just like you in your ideology and your politics. And that's, I think, the real hard question for Democrats because we are so diverse under the big tent of the Democratic Party label.

I'm going to go real quick cause she has to go, go. Sorry, just real quick follow up. What do you say to young voters when they see the MAGA side of the aisle and they ain't compromising at all. They're not finding middle ground. They're not playing 3D chess. They're just saying what they want to do in it.

And we were telling our young people like, well, you know, we're gonna say what you, what we believe in, but just got to paint it up and lie a little bit so people believe you. How can we motivate a generation to get behind us when the other side is coming direct and we're kind of doing the Barry Sanders side to side? Well, but keep in mind, keep in mind the MAGA people, you know, it's own, they're a small percentage of the Republican Party. It's just they've, they've muted the rest of the party. There are a lot of Republicans who do not believe in the MAGA agenda. They just don't have the backbone to say anything.

I think the difference with Democrats is that we actually have very differing ideas at times. My job as a professor is to actually get people inspired to be a politics. And what is really harmful is when you see millionaires and billionaires actually putting in a lot of money in these super PACs to make sure they just try and snuff out an energetic campaign and an energetic candidate before they can

even get any traction. And so that's part of the bigger issue where we have a big money problem, just like Republicans, but Democrats have a big money problem where if you're not part of the establishment, we just want to sort of put in a lot of money to make you go away. And that is not helpful for the future of the party. Well, also, I just want to remind people, and I keep saying this, and it drives me crazy, Christina, and let me get this in before you do go.

And that is, and for all the people, y'all, I've been trying, y'all been telling me not to cuss. I've been trying not to cuss. So but so just I'm going to give y'all a five second trigger warning right now. So turn your audio down. So this is for all the people who are saying, oh my God, Dems nationally are in danger because of what happened in New York City.

I wanna be as clear and concise as I can. Shut the fuck up. Y'all are idiots. A city election in New York City does not dictate everybody around the country. Because politics, and this also goes with Robert just asked Christina, you run also based upon who the voters are.

If you are running in a conservative city, you're the black guy who just won in Omaha, who beat the incumbent Republican, he can't run in Omaha, Nebraska like Mamdani can or like the person in Charlotte or the person in Houston can run. Congresswoman Maxine Waters can run a certain campaign that Sanford Bishop in Georgia can't run. And so it drives me crazy with these national asshole journalists

do these, oh my God, the Dems and Ashley are in trouble. Nom Donny is going to represent the entire party. Eric Adams didn't represent the entire damn party. And so it's just dumb to just think that one election that's somehow gonna dictate the rest of the nation because he won the primary and real quick, because I want you to dress, and people understand this here, remember,

remember India Walton, the black woman in Buffalo who beat the incumbent mayor in the primary, socialist, and what did Mayor Brown do? Ran as a, well, right in or independent. A right in. They put all the money behind him, he beat her in the general, and so, folk, pump your brakes.

She won the primary, didn't win the general. Mom Donnie has won the primary, don't mean he's gonna win the general. It, Donnie has won the primary. Don't mean he's going to win the general. It's a lot that's going on. But Christina it is great team on me. This well, we have that long waiting the whole nation. Right we have a long road to November. I think I keep telling people first of all we need to see what the numbers look like

on July 1st when we have show and tell to to see where Cuomo was, to see what communities supported and did not support him. But there will be a very long campaign, an arduous campaign going into November 4th, and all politics is local, especially New York, because we have, A, so many people and so much diversity. I mean, also, Roland, I really appreciate you letting me come on to talk about this,

because the number of bad takes I've heard today about New York City, because most people, just because you live in New York doesn't mean you know New York City politics. And many people know national politics, but New York City is its own beast. Many people don't know that you can run on multiple party lines, right?

Andrew Cuomo is right on the Democratic line in the primary. He also has his fight and deliver party, right? Mamdani, if he hadn't won, there was a conversation that he might run on the Working Families Party. He might still run on the Working Families Party line in addition to the Democratic Party line. So there are a lot of nuanced conversations that a lot of people don't understand,

and we will hopefully have more nuanced conversations moving towards November 4th. So people aren't confused as to why the business community would rally behind Eric Adams. Why would the Hasidic community or labor unions rally behind Eric Adams or not, right? And so there it is. I've got a boogie, but I appreciate it.

I got you, Christina, we'll have you back. We appreciate it, thanks a lot. Okay, talk soon. Gonna go to break when we come back, talk more about. I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes, but there's a company dedicated to a future

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Unbuilted as we go a little something, this is Doug E. Fresh and you're watching my brother, Roland Martin, unfiltered, as we go a little something like this. Hit it. It's real. Well then come at New York City Mayor Eric Adams is doing all he can to appeal to white conservatives. You expect to see more of this. He was on Fox and Friends this morning as they were operating as campaign surrogates for Eric Adams. Listen to this.

Mr. Mayor, it's not just Defund the Police, this candidate, Democratic Socialist. He wants to freeze the rent. He wants city-run grocery stores, social workers to replace the police, because that's gonna help. He wants $60 billion of debt fund for affordable housing. He wants free buses, no cost for childcare, baby baskets for newborns, and a $30 minimum wage.

How can someone vote for this? He's a snake oil salesman. He would say and do anything to get elected. Think about this for a moment. He wants to raise 1%... He wants to raise tax percent. He wants to raise tax on 1 percent of New Yorkers high income earners. As the mayor, you don't have the authority to do that. You know who has the authority to do that? An assemblyman, which

he is. He wants to do free buses. He could have done it at assemblyman. He doesn't understand the power of government and how you must make sure you improve your economy economy. Ray raise the standard of living and this is what we've done in the city and I'm looking forward to being on the campaign trail and showing New York is we can't go backwards and New York is never surrender or quit.

I'm never going to quit for the city that I love. That is so interesting. You're in the position. So you know you don't have the authority to do that. Yet he's running on all these promises he's not going to be able to fulfill. Here's to me what I find to be interesting. Lars B. Jones, who is absolutely

not one of the brightest bulb in a dark room, okay? He goes, matter of fact, I just wanna, listen to this again, y'all, listen to this. Just the mayor, it's not just defund the police, this candidate, democratic socialist, he wants to freeze the rent, he wants city-run grocery stores,

social workers to replace the police because that's gonna help. He wants $60 billion of debt fund for affordable housing. He wants free buses, no cost for childcare, baby baskets for newborn, and a $30 minimum wage. How can someone vote for this? $30 minimum wage. How can someone vote for this? How about they did?

See, this is what I find to be absolutely stupid. All of these people are angry and upset because people actually voted. So let me just remind you how this works. You announce you run for office, you declare your candidacy, you launch it, you campaign, election day, people vote. So you're mad they actually voted in the primary. Well guess what? People then are going to have an opportunity to vote in the June election in November, November 4th. I can't stand these MAGA people, but guess what? They voted. Other people sounded couched they didn't vote. Let me explain to y'all how this work. If you get more votes than the other person you wins, you win. And if

that person's people vote and your people don't, then you don't have a chance at winning. The crazy thing to me, Rebecca, they're mad that people voted the way they wanted to vote. I don't live in New York City. I pop in, I pop out. I got no interest in living in New York City. Too many rats, too much trash, it ain't me. Also, I like grass. I ain't trying to see all that concrete, okay?

That's just me, all right? But they voted. So clearly that was something a lot of people liked about Mom Donnie. For any anyone in the audience, if you've been to New York City lately, or even been to New York City in the last 20 years, it's expensive. And people who live in New York, there's a few things that they want. They want affordable housing. They want affordable childcare. They want affordable transportation. They want to actually be able to work and live

within an hour of where they work and live instead of having hours long commute because they can't afford to live in the city in which they work. I mean that's the Working Families Party platform. Shout out to my friend Maurice Mitchell, Working Families Party. They had a clean slate last night all up and down New York State. And so this really shows that Eric Adams is extremely out of touch. Maybe it's because he's really been living in New Jersey, which came out when he ran the first time, is that people want to actually afford to live in New York.

When we look at certain cities like San Francisco and see that a lot of people have had to flee the city because they could no longer afford it. New York is also one of those cities that's teetering there. And a lot of people who are in New York City, they don't wanna be displaced because we remember, what was it, 10 years ago, five years ago, there was the black guy who ran on the platform of the rent is too damn high.

I think that was the party that he ran on, that he was a part of. It's expensive. There should be nowhere in the United States where people are going hungry. They can't find a place to live. They can't have affordable childcare. They can't afford to live.

That should not be America. But what we're seeing right now, that has become America. So even for Eric Adams and Fox and Friends, the pushback on the quote unquote socialist agenda is because capitalism really isn't working for a lot of people in this country. It's becoming the American nightmare, not the American dream. You know, Tom Sose, Congressman, put this tweet out, I had to respond. I had serious concerns about Assemblyman Mamdani before yesterday, and that is one of the reasons I endorse his opponent. Those concerns remain.

And I went, and the voters voted. Exactly, Roland. I think it reveals something deeper about how power reacts when it's no longer in control. As you said, New York City voters, especially young working class and communities of color, they chose their candidate who reflected their realities, which was housing, justice, transit, equity, anti-policing platforms. We talk about how ICE is invading the city,

but when those candidates win, as we see here clearly, political establishments and media don't call it democracy. They call it chaos. And I think what we saw here was people, they voted for themselves and that's what democracy looks like. Democracy looks like when people go out and vote their interests.

And the outrage isn't about voter turnout or misinformation, it's really about finally showing up and shifting the narrative. And that's exactly what the candidate did in yesterday's election. So, Robert, Larry Summers, who was the former president of Harvard, he worked for Obama, one of his over economic advisors, whatever the hell he did. Okay, I don't know what the hell he did.

So this was his tweet. I am profoundly alarmed about the future of the DNC and the country by yesterday's New York City anointment of a candidate who failed to disavow, quote, a globalized Intifada slogan and advocated Trotskyite economic policies. I fear it is evidence that our party is following the most problematic aspects of Britain's Labor Party. It didn't work there and it won't work here. Harvard and other universities' moral weakness after October 7th in condoning hateful anti-Israeli and even anti-Semitic rhetoric and activity opened

the Overton window in ways that contributed to yesterday's outcome. I hope candidate Mamdani, who showed great ability to learn and adapt during this campaign, will continue to evolve in ways that provide much needed reassurance to people committed to a free from prejudice market economy as an American ideal. An important task for mom, Donnie now is to provide reassurance that his moral energy and formidable political skills can be productively directed for the city of New York at this difficult moment. What a bullshit ass statement. First of all, like I said, Robert,

him winning a primary ain't got a damn thing to do with the DNC. It ain't got a damn thing to do with anybody else running anywhere in the country. Again, just as reminder to the people who forgot, this sister here, socialist, India Walton, she won the primary in Buffalo, the world didn't end. They targeted her, ran against her, she lost in the general.

I'm not saying it's gonna happen to Mom Donnie. He may win in November, and if he does, that means the voters actually chose him. So Larry Summers, go kick rocks. Look, this is the empire striking back. And we see this every time there's these insurgent candidates, the establishment of both parties, actually. But what we're talking about the Democrats right now, the establishment decides, well,

this might be a little bit too hot water for the rest of us. We saw this with Cory Bush. We saw this with Jamal Bowman. We saw this with Nina Turner. We see this in election after election. They always say that we want the candidate of hope and change. What they really are talking about is the status quo that benefits our rich people the most.

And until we can get out of that, we are losing an entire generation. You know this as well as I do. Nearly to a person, the black magus that you see today, if you picture them in college, if you find a picture of them from 2007, 2008, they have Obama shirts on. You know, they were at the marches. They were at the rallies. They were the hope and change generation. And when they did not see that hope, they did not see that change, they became disillusioned

with politics. And then they started looking for somebody who was actually going to shake up the two-party system, and they settled on Trump. Do they agree with him on policy? He ain't got no damn policy. There's nothing to agree with. And Democrats have to learn you can't keep cutting off the next generation to support the status quo as it exists right now, because

you're going to lose in the marketplace of ideas. I'm glad that Larry Summers mentioned the Labour Party in Europe, or in Great Britain, because after 14 years of Tory rule, we saw Labour under Keir Starmer take over on a progressive message. It wasn't just Labour. It was Labour. The Lib Dibs, the Greens, they all took party above the Tories because they had to split her into Reform UK because their conservative movement had their own mega movement inside of it.

The point being that if you look at that European corollary to American politics, it tells us we need to be bolder. We need to be stronger. That in the face of fascism, as we're seeing in France and in Italy and in Belarus and around the continent it takes strong candidates willing to stand up for real values and that's what this election is telling us we need people who actually have a voice who aren't afraid of the money. Again if you don't like them try to beat them

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Right now, I'm from Dallas, Texas. Right now I'm rolling with Roland Martin, unfiltered, uncut, unplugged, and undamn believable. You hear me? Folks, we should go ago we had the No... Folks, a couple weeks ago at the no Kings protest took place in the country. Others are being planned right now at the top of the show. We talked about the boycott happened with McDonald's. There's a history of protests in America. It's real. My next guest has a new book out there lays all of this out.

So Gloria Brown, she's the author of a protest history of the United States. She joins us, right? Guys, can y'all please show the graphic? I need to see her book. Show the graphic. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Here we go. So a pro a author of a protest history of the United States, Gloria, thanks for joining us first and foremost. Why'd you want to do this? Because there have been so many people who had given up their lives and livelihoods

through protests and they do all the sacrificing and we take advantage of what they've done and then people forget all about them. And also I wanted the new generations of protesters to learn the strategies and what went into making movements happen as opposed to believing that protest was ineffective and they just giving it up

and only have like these, you know, emotional protests and it's over and say, oh, it didn't work because I didn't see change happen within 24 hours. Bird, I was reading this one story. This was after the death of George Floyd, the murder of George Floyd. And this one brother was like, well man, politics ain't nothing,

I ain't voting but I'm going to protest. And I'm like, protesting and not voting, your ass just going for a walk. You know, there are people saying, I'm gonna protest, I'm gonna protest, but they don't really understand that there is a very strong history of protests. And I always like to say the eight-hour work day came through protest.

So what the laws are on the books, the Constitution ratified in 1789, the Bill of Rights in 1791, the 14th Amendment in 1868, those are words. What made it happen was litigation, legislation, and protest, or it would still just be nice words on paper. So people need to know that in order to vote, you're voting for something, somebody's going to create laws. What do those laws mean if they don't have a reality behind them? The protest makes those laws into reality to fit our lives. I think as you lay out in the book, when you take the time to understand protest,

it wasn't about a singular event. Like there was a strategy, and that's the thing that drives me crazy. When I see people and they say, hey, we're having a protest, and I'm like, okay, why? What's the purpose? What's the plan of action?

What are you going to protest this Saturday? What are you going to do on Monday? That's what drives me crazy. Because it doesn't give the forefathers and mothers a protest any credit for all that went into it. I had the chance to go to Selma about a month or so ago as part of their 60th anniversary of the march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge for voting rights. Those elders were high school students who took classes every week on nonviolent protests

and philosophy and practice and tactics, who was going to get arrested, who was going to bail them out. This wasn't just a one and done. They did this for weeks over time while they were in school. So we need to understand it. The TV shows show one protest and then everything changes when it took years for us to get voting rights. Absolutely.

And so explain folk that there's also an art to protesting. There's a process here. It ain't just, hey, let's just roll out there. Some protests, for example, when George Floyd was murdered, there is an emotional impulse to go out and get that frustration out of you. But protests over time, if we look at it, whether or not it's protests for the labor movements, for women's

rights, for racial justice, it's a strategy in which people decide where they're going to protest, how long they're going to protest. And then, like you said, what is the message? Because you're trying to persuade thought, you're just not trying to have an action. The action is supposed to lead to people being persuaded to your side. And that's why Martin Luther King was such a magical person when it came to protest. He knew how to use the media, he knew how to have strategies.

And if one strategy didn't work, you had to tweak it for another one. There was so much more that went into it than people are seeing just watching these clips on television. Um go to my panel. Uh Robert your first Uh, thank you so much. Thanks so much for such an outstanding work and uh As someone who's been active in the movement since I was about 17 years old I think you're spot on when you talk about uh, the way we educate people about the civil rights movement in particular

and in the workers' rights movement, et cetera. I always said this thing on my radio show, that it's almost like we teach it as a fairy tale. That one day Abraham Lincoln woke up and he decided to have lunch with Martin Luther King. And then they got on the Underground Railroad and rode to Washington, DC to do the, I have a dream speech.

And then Barack Obama came out, and they all shook hands, and racism was over. That's how they teach black history in America. Can you really talk about the need for us to educate this next generation on the levels of work that went into planning Selma, that went into planning the Montgomery bus boycott, that went into planning the first march

on Washington, et cetera, so that they will see that this is not a quick that went into planning the first march on Washington, et cetera. So they will see that this is not a quick, I'm gonna send out one tweet, I'm gonna change my profile picture to black and solidarity, I'm not gonna go to Target this weekend, but it has to be part of a sustained movement. And you're so right,

it has to be part of a sustained movement, but there also has to be a vision for where people want to go. It's not just protesting against something. We're also moving towards something. So they're protesting against racism or protesting for voting rights. And what gets lost, I think, is that people are feeling this emotional need to protest against the regime that's in place right now in the White House. But what are we protesting for? What's the vision going forward? And whether or not it's the labor movement protesting for the eight-hour workweek, protesting

for better wages, protesting for the union at Amazon plants. So people have to protest for something as well as thinking they have to protest against. And I think the strategy in protesting for means that you have to have a message, you have to think about who's good at what. Not everybody is going to be a leader. You have to have a lot of foot soldiers. How are you going to do this? I tell people don't protest after sundown, because that's when bad things happen.

So that means you're planning a time for the protest. You're planning where you're going to protest, how long you're going to do it, and then having sit-ins. Why not use the sit-in? That hasn't been used in a long time. And I say, well, sit in, maybe sit in at Trader Joe's, sit in at these places in which protests are supposed to disrupt and inform and move towards something. So there were so many things that were going on. And as you said, the way they write the story today and have the movie version of it, people are wondering if they protest once, why isn't change happening overnight? Rebecca. Thank you. I'm concerned that 47 is going to

incite social unrest, especially as we start to go into the heat and the height of summer. What are ways in which our community can stay safe if they choose to exercise their right to protest? I'm glad you asked that. These are all brilliant questions. One of the things that happened after Kamala Harris had her election stolen, because I still believe there was voter suppression there that was not investigated, was that the onslaught of this regime was to instigate, was to have the shock and awe of all of this legislation through executive orders, and with the sense from the first

term that they were going to use the National Guard. And I told people months ago he was going to use the National Guard, but in his first term he said he was going to use it in South Chicago, the South Side of Chicago, against us, because black people are the target. It just so happened that you had that uprising that took place in L.A. That was not as large as it was made to seem, but all that you saw that happened in L.A. I think is supposed to be targeted toward us. So my main concern becomes, as we look at the summer, people are saying, I'm tired, I don't want to protest,

if we protest that we're gonna be injured. So we have to be very careful that when we rise up, we rise up in ways that are structured so that it's not an instigation. But they're going to use anything as an instigation. I'm telling you that right now. And that's why the planning for it has to be is during the day that people have the telephone number of attorneys, that the attorneys are not at the protests, that if we're going to be arrested, there's a plan to how we're going to use the arrests. And nonviolent philosophy has to

be something that people want to do, not something we're just supposed to do because we're going to use the arrests and nonviolent philosophy has to be something that people want to do, not something we're just supposed to do because we're black. But I think if we're not part of the protest, as they say, if you're not at the dinner table, you're probably on the menu. And the protests I've been to, our issues are not there at all. And I'll give you this example. When that helicopter and the plane collided in Washington, D.C., and he said it was DEI, no one stood up for us. And that's why I said I've got to be a part of a protest on President's Day because with other people from New York City, New Jersey, to say you've got to do something, we've got to not be erased because we're being erased right now. So it's difficult to balance out. Being quiet means that we get erased.

How do we get our voices out there and stay safe? That's why I said it has to be during the day, it has to be much more planning than you saw in Los Angeles that was just like this emotional outburst. And we have to have some leadership in this planning. And young people today don't want leaders. They wanna do things that leaders asleep.

I think we're going to have to have our message very clear and we're going to have to have allies there with us. But on that particular point there, I think it's critically important. And I get this idea of leaderless protesting, but I'm sorry. Somebody has to lead. You have to have an hierarchy. You have to be able to give orders. And I think that was one of the problems

with Occupy Wall Street. We saw this as well with, I mean, the implosion of, frankly, Black Voters Matter, and they're still trying to get that back. I get you wanna have consensus, but at the end of the day, you're going to need some folks who are literally in charge because somebody got to make decisions. Yes, you're so right. And in my book, Protest History of the United States, I go from the

indigenous resistance to European invaders to slave uprisings and the making of unions all the way to women's rights and then climate change. And each one of those struggles within it, they were done differently. The different leaders had different personality types. And I tried to, as best I can, talk about the personality types of the Native American chiefs who were trying to negotiate or when they did have to attack and the different types of uprisings between Denmark VC and Nat Turner, but people have different personalities But once again, there was some leader who was saying this is why we're doing it and in order to get the message out

Somebody has to say what the message is and and you can have different ways of going toward that vision of what we want in The future but people have to know what the vision is. And that means a clear message. And that's why I said Martin Luther King and others were very, very good at depth at getting that message out. Tyler. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you again.

I had the honor of helping organize to March on Washington. So I protest and get're at the heart of my love language. So, and I always tell other young people a protest without strategy is just a gathering. And as you say, Uncle Roland, you know, if you got no plan, you're just out there for a walk. And I believe that your book, you know, reminds us of the rights that, you know, they were fought for, they weren't handed down. And given today's climate, as mentioned by my fellow panelists.

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Get your tickets today, AXS.com. What lessons from historical movements should young activists keep in mind as they continue to fight for justice? I think one thing to keep in mind, and thank you for that question, is that in my book, A Protest History in the United States, you get to see how there could be these long-term strategies. For example, the time between 1955 and 1965 as there was a fight for desegregation and

for voting rights, that was 10 years. Different leaders coming to the fore with different things, but they had the vision of desegregation, they had the vision of racial pride and uprising, of uplift. And so there were different strategies involved. We know there were major differences between Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, but they were both looking at how do we lift our people, how do we lift our communities. And so I would say you don't have to have the same strategy. You don't have to walk in lockstep. But the major thing is vision.

In order for us to have unions today, there were struggles around unions. People lost their lives trying to create unions. And for me, labor organization is protest, protesting against the way workers are being treated. It wasn't just one way in which people tried to create a union, but they had that as the vision, and different people worked toward that in different ways and strategies, and that's how you got to that vision. So people need to understand, as young folks, don't expect 100 percent, even 80 percent

of people. It's usually about 10 to 20 percent of people are going to participate in any type of movement, and yet they are going to benefit from your struggle. So get over that. It hurts your feelings, but that's how it is. People are going to question your sincerity. They're going to question whether or not you know what you're doing. The leader doesn't necessarily have to be the best community organizer. You know, there's got to be some song that brings people together. There must be a strong voice. There are so many different ways in which talents need to be distributed so that you have a movement.

It can't just be one person. We look at Martin Luther King, but there are many, many people who are involved in that movement to go forward. So different strategies, different personalities, a vision, and understanding the distribution of work so that you can don't mind being a foot soldier. Everybody can't be the chief. Some people just have to be foot soldiers in this.

So when you think about all of that and know it's not gonna happen all at once, there are many things that may go forward, but it's two steps forward and one step back. Two steps forward and always look for the one step back. And so you have your plan to do when things go backwards, how to then pivot and go forward again. All right, folks, the book is

A Protest History of the United States. Gloria Brown is the author. Gloria, we surely appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Good luck with the book. Thank you, sir. All right, folks, as a reminder, Monday will be broadcast in live 11 a.m. from the steps of the U.S. Supreme Court when Bishop William Barber of the Poor People's Campaign Repayers of the Breach will hold their Moral Mondays in D.C. at the Capitol.

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who are bored cutting Target and Walmart. Candy Carter, CEO of Sister of Sisters joins us right now. Candy, glad to have you here. So how did you come up with this idea? We don't know why, but what caused you to say, you know what, we gotta do this? Well, what's interesting is my company, what I do is I do online stores for big media partners.

And when I was dealing with a bunch of the brands that we work with, I saw the black owned brands struggling. I mean, they were just like, you know, there was outrage online. Everybody saw everything on social media that was happening. And I was just like, you know what? I'm not gonna be in these streets protesting, right? Like that's just not my thing.

But I actually have the keys to this kingdom. I know how to set up a store. I've got hundreds of brands that I already work with. And we decided to do that. So we sent out a big alert to all of our brands. We searched for brands who either left Target or were dumped from Target and other places. And literally within a week, 80 brands were like, yes, sign us up. And, you know, we're a small company, right? But it was just like, I was like, yes, sign us up. And we're a small company, right? But it was just like, I was like, we have to do this. I'm just one of those people,

I can't sit on the sidelines and just not do something. And so that's where ShopRedBag.com started. And you said 80 brands aligned and I take it they are all different types. Oh yeah. Well, you know, our goal is we have a lot of black owned brands. I think there's 31 pages of black owned brands in the store. And so if you go to the store, what's really cool,

as I said to every brand, I want, this is a movement. It's not a store, it's a movement. And you guys are talking about every headline, something's being erased, our history is being erased, This person's being let go. All the rollbacks, all the things, but we're not victims. Right? So like when you talk about the power of protest, right. And in the first quarter earnings for Target, they're like, look, we got hit hard by protests. It works. But to your point earlier, what happens next?

And this is the next. I mean, honestly, to be honest with you, there was a guy on social media, he was literally standing in Target. I wish I could find that video. He was like, what am I supposed to do? Y'all want me to boycott? What am I supposed to do? Where am I supposed to buy my deal? My this, my that. And that's what really inspired me to do it. And so we have brands that fall under the DEI umbrella, black-owned brands, women-owned brands, disability, LGBTQ+, and those brands have come together. We have toilet paper, cleaning supplies, all the things, and every day we're adding more brands.

I would say there's probably 30 or 40 brands still in the queue that we're getting into the store. So it's an alternative, right? We have to change the way we shop if we want our money to matter and if we want to make a difference with our wallet because we can't. Indeed.

Questions from the panel. Rebecca, you first. Thank you so much for doing this. I have been frustrated by some of the folks who, you know, they do have their multiple lines in Target, and I understand that for especially for those who have licensed their image and likeness with the Target, that this is difficult. But I want to hear more of what is the percentage of folks who currently have lines still active in Target versus your overall, I guess, manufacturer or creators or small businesses that you feature on your platform?

Yeah, I don't know the exact number we have. So if you go on the platform, you can shop brands that have been impacted by the DEI rollbacks. So if you click on that, you can see all the brands in there that have been impacted by it. You can shop black owned brands, you can shop veteran owned brands, you can shop generally. But what's interesting is every single founder has done a video in the store because this is a movement. So if you go on the store you can literally click on the videos and listen to the founders talk about their you know their journey how the D.E.I. rollbacks have impacted them. I think what people don't think about and this is what a lot of founders told me. It's not just not having shelf space. There's no longer programs to teach people how to get into retail. There were people who had started deals or were promised entry into large retailers

and it just ghosted, went away, right? And then there's the folks that were in retail spending all this money to promote their brands and they weren't being promoted. That's a whole nother story. So I just think in the next, like in these times, right? We have an opportunity, especially black folks with the amount of money that we spend,

we can see that boycotting stores is hurting them. So where does all that money go? Right? That's what Shop Red Bag is. It's like, make a commitment to make your dollar matter. Your wallet is your weapon. If you're not the person who's gonna boycott, if you're not the person marching down the street,

this is a way that every single time you spend money, you can uplift the community. We all need to grow. We all need our economy to grow during this time. And we have nothing but opportunity. Tyler. Yeah, thank you so much. I like that you said everybody has a role. I always say everybody can bring the potato salad to the cookout. You got to know what your role is. So thank you for highlighting that. My question would be, what advice would you

give to young black creatives building businesses rooted in purpose, but just not for profit? What would your advice be for them? Well, it's interesting because do it. Just do it. I'm just a doer. I have a son with special needs. Six years ago, I'm like, he has no friends.

So I started a foundation, and it's called We've Got Friends. And now we serve hundreds of families throughout New Jersey. I'm just a mom. I'm just a business person. And it's like, if you have an idea, do it. I always tell young people who work for me, like we're in meetings and I'm like, listen, I don't care who the idea comes from. If it's good, we're doing it.

So just do it. I mean, it sounds cliche, but it really isn't. Now, let's just break it down. Do one thing every day. You know, I always say to let your day job, finance your dreams. Don't quit your job, but just do one thing every day towards that thing that you do and see if it works. You know, but I think a lot of people get paralyzed by the idea of it, the fear of it, and then they just never try it. But you'd be surprised how simple things can be if you take all of that fear away and just go,

okay, what's the one thing I can do today? Robert? And on that point, one thing Reverend Jackson would always says is that we can't just boycott, we have to bicarb also. Meaning that we have to invest in buying things in our own community. What you're doing is outstanding around that. And this really dovetails into the previous conversation when we were talking about this history of protests and this history of black activism, because what many people forget

is that during the Montgomery Bus Boycott, people didn't just not ride the bus. They were paying their friends and neighbors and church and community people to get them back and forth. When we say we're not going to your lunch counter, we didn't just starve. We were going to Big Mama's lunch counter. You put money in her pocket. How can we get the influencer economy to understand that. I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun?

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So what do we have to do to kind of break through that almost post-traumatic slaves and where people think, well, it's not given to me by a white hand then I shouldn't want it. You know what's so funny? Roland is the best example because I'm like, you own the black audience and news in America.

You own it to your point earlier. Nobody else is doing it. So if millions of people can follow Roland, right, on this network, then millions of people can shop at Shop Red Bag and stay out of, here's my thing, if you knew somebody didn't like you, right, didn't want you in their circle, no, no, you wouldn't be jumping out the bed

to run over to their house. Think about how hard Americans work for their money, right? We got headaches, we're working weekends, we're so tired, we can't do anything. And you really wanna spend that hard earned dollar with people who don't care about you? It's just mind boggling, right? And so, you know, we're actually going to New York tomorrow

to talk to young people, to, you know, to really just talk to people about what matters to you, right? And I think now more than ever, I think people are really assessing like, how important is it for me to spend my dollars with people who actually care about me, who actually believe in what I stand for, right?

Because I don't think we can just frivolously throw our money around anymore. I don't think it's fair to us. It's not, and it's not gonna be helpful to us. And the only way to your point that we can grow really over the next four years is to do it together. And we just have to come together. Yeah, and coming together also means being consistent.

You know, I tell people all the time, you know, on March 4th, when we did our, the state of our union coverage, we had 250,000 people watching us live. It was amazing. 250,000 watching live. Well, if I look right now, we're sitting there, we've had almost 4,000 tonight,

but if we're hitting 200,000 every night, we literally are rivaling all the cable networks. We're rivaling those shows. And what then happens is, and what then happens, when those folks, and so when they, to your point, learn about Shop Red Bag, learn about ShopBlackStarNetwork.com, learn about these things,

now they are buying products at a faster rate. And so what I keep saying is, and you know, in one of our promos, you know, Jeff Carr says, bring your eyeballs home. We have to understand wherever our black eyeballs go, our money follows. That's right. That is absolutely right.

And so, you know, for ShopRedBag.com, we are adding brands every day. We have a section at the bottom. If there's a brand that you love, tell us about it. We'll put them in the store. You know, we're adding in like 30 skews of like shoe racks and you know, things for your, to strain your vegetables, like all the things right and so

Keep checking and we're doing all kinds of things But the idea is this is an alternative right and everybody the the woman had the book It was such a great point like you just go out there and protest and literally everybody was like so what we supposed to do now Like what are we supposed to do? You Like, what are we supposed to do? You know what I mean? And so for me, I'm like, all right, let me be part of the solution. I'm not gonna get on social media and just complain.

I'm just gonna do something. And so now we have all of these brands and more brands coming in. And they're all, and like I said, if you listen to these guys in the video, they're passionate, you know? They're like, listen, the DEI rule backs are not gonna get us down.

It's not gonna set us back. They are so positive and so ready to say, let's do it together. So it's very, they're inspiring. The brands are so inspiring and they're all excited to be in this kind of collective, in this movement together so that we can show that we can actually lift

these brands up. We can do it. All right. Tell them again where to go. Shopredbag.com. All right then. Candi was so appreciative. Thank you so very much.

Thank you. All right. All right then. So folks, and don't forget, we also have, you can go to shopradback.com. You also have black products that are on shopblackstartnetwork.com. And so you heard Kane just talking about the toilet paper. Well, you see it right here.

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