#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Missouri Map Fight Explodes. Mamdani Approval Debate. Fat Joe Sparks Blackness & N-Word Firestorm

Episode Date: September 10, 2026

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Missouri Republicans are literally out. Supreme Court says, yeah, y'all can't use your new maps. Well, guess what? Secretary of State is like, yeah, I don't give a damn. do whatever y'all want to. Now the Missouri Supreme Court is saying, come here, hollered at us. Are we going to hold you in contempt?

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Let's go. Check this out. Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh desired Missouri's request to use the Republican gerrymandered map that wiped out the congressional district of Congressional Black Caucus member Emmanuel Cleaver. That's right there in Kansas City. Now, mind you, the appeal to the Supreme Court was after the Missouri Supreme Court, not a liberal left-wing court, unaskly agreed that the map cannot be used.

They made it perfectly clear in their ruling that the state's. Constitution language was extremely clear. So what did these folks do? They said the hell with Cavanaugh, they went and got a federal judge, a federal trial court to issue an order barring the state from using any other map than the one that they like.

Let me just explain to y'all again. The Missouri Supreme Court rules they appeal to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court does not agree with them. Then they go find a judge down here that basically contradicts the Missouri Supreme Court and the U.S. Supreme Court. And then, y'all, the Secretary of State

literally sends out a guide and saying, hey, local folk, y'all can do what y'all want to do. So the state's high court said, Secretary of State, Denny Hoskins, bring your ass to court to explain to us why we should not hold you in contempt of our court order. Hoskins said he would use the redrawn congressional districts regardless of any ruling saying he couldn't. Now he's got to appear in court tomorrow to explain. why he shouldn't be held in contempt for instructing local election officials to use the map

that the court has already ruled against. Rebecca Carruthers, president's CEO, Fair Election Center out of D.C. Jones, Dr. Derek Jackson, State Representative of Georgia District, out of Atlanta, Lisa Durdon, Social Justice Journalist out of Newark. Derek, I want to start with you. Derek, here you have a Secretary of State who is bound by the laws of Missouri, saying, FU to not only the Missouri Supreme Court and a unanimous ruling, FU to the U.S. Supreme Court, we ain't listened to none of y'all. We don't give a damn what y'all got to say.

Here you have a constitutional officer, Roland. Let's start there. The Secretary of State, like any other Secretary of State in the 50 States, is a constitutional constitutional officer. Hence, Constitution. This individual is not following the Constitution. This, this, when I was reviewing this case today, this individual is another reason why we have to look at all of these races that are on the ballot across the United States.

Yes, we got to look at the judges. We got to look at the governors. and attorney generals, but the Secretary of State, too. There's no constitutional provision that allows for him to simply ignore the court's order, Roland? And so this is the reason why we have to maximize the vote. We have to get out and let folks know what's happening. Platforms such as yours is doing a marvelous job letting folks know that the Secretary

state in Missouri is breaking the law. Point blank in a story. This constitutional officer is not carrying out his constitutional duties. The long loading times. The glitchy video calls. That's your house asking for better internet. Switch to Bell Pure Fiber, Canada's most reliable internet awarded by Open Signal from $75 a month.

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to NFL Daily on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Period. The Supreme Court of Missouri has ordered Hoskins to appear in person. And Rebecca, I think part of the problem for me when it comes to these judges is they want to play nice. And Rebecca, I think to that Dixie Chick song, I'm not. not ready to make nice. This is where tomorrow

the Missouri Supreme Court should call his ass in there and should say did you put out this statement? And then when he says, hold on on, hold on. And then when he says, yeah, I did.

Are you, did you put the statement out telling local jurisdictions they can ignore the directive of this court. And when he starts fumbling and stumbling and bumbling, they said, no, no, no, no, no. Did you do this? And then say, are you going to ignore this court?

And if his ass says yes, that's when they should say, bailiff, take his ass into custody. He needs to be arrested, handcuffed, and walk straight to jail and stick his ass in a jail cell and say, you are in contempt of court. And for the next 30 days, you are going to sit your ass in a jail cell

because you are defying the law. See, I ain't even talking about being nice. No, no, I'm talking about cuff his ass in the courtroom and walk his monkey ass out to courtroom because these folks, the only way you teach these folks a lesson, is if you do not make nice. Roland, former slave-holding states made it clear that their belief is that the Confederacy will rise again.

And in their mind, the Confederacy has frozen, and it is now here again. I know we'll get into this later, but to paraphrase Fat Joe, yesterday's Constitution is not today's Constitution. They're not following the rule of law. They're just doing what they want in the name of white supremacy, because who's going to check them?

They have a White House, they have a DOJ, that's going to support their efforts to subvert political power of black folks in Missouri. That's what this is about. This is about a sweep of anti-blackness. It was contained in Project 2025. And to your point, yeah, like this is about playing nice. But unfortunately, I still have yet to see elected or appointed or white people in power

hold other white people in power accountable. And we need white people to have their civil war that they want to have or whatever it is that they're trying to do now. And we need those who are trying to say they're the good whites or the whites of law and order to hold those accountable. And so far we're not seeing it. So far we're just hearing words from this judiciary, from this judiciary. from this judicial officer.

But to your point, let's see action. What are you going to do? Call his bluff. This is what the Supreme Court sent. And they sent this, the order. Responded Denny Hoskins is hereby ordered to show calls, if any, why he should not be held in contempt for violating this court's injunction dated September 3rd,

2006, entered before the statutory deadline of September 8, 2006, and before the Tempe River restraining order entered by the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri of that same date. Respondent is ordered to specifically address why, number one, his email on September 8, 2006, instructing use of the HB1 map is not an affirmative violation of this court's injunction. Number two, how this court's injunction is not still in full force and effect in light of the Supreme Court of the United States overruling of respondents' emergency application for stay and administrative stay pending appeal. And number three, if he is not willing to comply with this court's injunction, he should,

take no action in all things related to the congressional district map until guidance is received from a higher court with jurisdiction to review this court's judgment and injunction and the United States District Court's injunction. And they've got some legalized. Respondent's response is due on or before noon, September 9th. 2006. Movant Richard von Glan's response, if any, is due on or before 4 p.m., September 9th, 2006. The court will not allow filings from any other parties on this matter or allow for any briefing or filings from Amicus Kirti, oral argument on this matter is since September 10th,

2006 at 10 a.m. responded, Denny Hoskins, is ordered to appear in person. Now, Lisa, this is how this arrogant, ignorant secretary of state responded to that. Missouri is and always will be the place I call home. I will always fight to protect our common sense Missouri values from a liberal Democrat socialist and his out-of-state New York City, NYC sugar d'addies. The Show Me state will not be run into the ground like the communist running NYC on my watch. I will continue to abide by Judge Clark's federal temporary restraining order on a federal congressional election. I look forward to my day in court.

Okay. let's see Lisa if all that bravado shows up in court tomorrow at 10 a.m. And I'm telling you, the Missouri Supreme Court should sit there and watch him coming and show his ass, and they should simply say, handcuff him and take him to jail and slap his ass with a contempt for 30 days. Mm-hmm. Yeah, clap for that, clap for that rolling, because I am a champ. at playing those games, you know, the game when you have Monopoly, when you have to do not pass gold, do not collect $200, put his ass in jail for a contemptive court. But, you know, they're not going to do it because I think these redistricting wars has turned.

You know, a lot of Republicans say, you know, everything's political. Yeah, you say that when it's not you. So honestly, I'm really, really, really, really scared. I mean, I live in New Jersey. We don't really have that issue. But when you're talking about the Congress and the Senate, everything that happens to any, of these districts will trickle down or trickle up to everywhere in this country. These maps being redrawn and all of that is important, so this Missouri issue is worrying me.

I mean, it's cracking me up how they can literally or can or do literally defy judges in plain sight. These trumplequins are bold and brazen, and I don't know, is it because they feel like, oh, who going to check me, boo, as they say? I don't know, but I'm really nervous, and as we start to creep up to November, I'll be honest with you, I'm biting my nails. Because, like, nothing is affordable. Everybody on the Republican side was talking about affordability, but when I drive my car, I'm like, oh, Lord, I hope the gas don't run out because I don't want to go get gas. Luckily, I don't smoke reefer, because if I smoke refra, I can't afford refa and grapes. So since I don't like refra, I buy the grapes.

I can't do both. I mean, these kinds of things are problems, so I feel like they need to just get down and dirty. You know, they talk about, you know, no tolerance for anything. So let's not have me tolerance for their bad behavior and lock that fool up. And I think when you get locked up behind bars and you're on cell blockage, you might think, hmm, let me roll over. That's the only thing I think that's going to happen is if you make that person do it. They're not going to offer to act right.

They're going to act where they want to you stop them in their tracks. And it has to be by force as far as I'm concerned. When some, listen, not only that, Van Glon, this is what he actually. It was an emergency application for order holding the Secretary of State in contempt. Here's a crazy thing here, Rebecca. Look at this right here. They say the Attorney General also claims that state officials must use the HB1 maps in November. So you have the Secretary of State and the State Attorney General saying, damn the courts,

damn the Missouri Supreme Court, damn the U.S. Supreme Court. Now keep in mind, Rebecca, when Virginia had an election that changed how they did their maps, election, voters voted, the voters said y'all have the authority to change it on temporary basis. The Virginia Supreme Court overruled and they said, nope, election was illegal. They invalidated the election. Virginia appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court. They denied their appeal. You can see the actions.

Democrats in Virginia, Rebecca, abided by the rules of the court. Republicans in Missouri said, F, the rules, we're going to do what the hell is we want to do. This shows you these people do not care about law and order. They're going to do what the hell they want to do. And this is why I keep saying the Democrats, you can't. You cannot play nice. You cannot try to have a fair game.

These people are playing for keeps. They are about power. They are about control, and you better fight as nasty and dirty as they are. So Roland, this is what's interesting among civil rights groups. We're currently having a conversation and what is the future of laws in this country? Once we get through whatever this is with this administration, what's next? What's clear is that our previous civil rights framework? Our previous rule of law framework isn't going to carry us into the future because it has been broken.

One of the examples is it used to be that we would lean on federalism. We would lean on the federal government to enforce civil rights laws. Now we're seeing that we're at the switch over to a state's right paradigm. That state's rights paradigm isn't owned by white nationalist or white supremacists, but it is a theory or is a framework that says that you use the state, the state, Constitution and state law in order to mandate or enforce action. What we're seeing in Missouri, just for your viewers to understand, is it isolated to Missouri? We've seen this the last couple years. If your viewers are familiar with the term of independent state legislature, legislator theory,

saying that state houses can make independent laws or independent of what the federal government is telling them. independent of what the Supreme Court is telling them. We're also seeing this happen on the county level. There are certain sheriff who are now running around and saying that they are the ultimate law, the ultimate authority in their respective county. And even if the president, him or herself,

shows up, that president is subjected to the rule of law underneath that sheriff. And so these used to be very fringe theories, but we're seeing that it's creeping in and starting to take over. the base and mainstream Republican Party politics. And so just for your viewers to pay attention with what's happening, this is beyond Missouri.

This is an ideology that we're seeing that's starting to encroach across the country. It's crazy here, Derek. The Eighth Circuit then refuses to block this federal judge. And the Eighth Circuit, you have two Trump appointees and a president, George Herbert Walker Bush appointee. Look at this here.

The motion for a stay pending appeal is denied because we either lack jurisdiction over the appeal or based on the briefing we have so far, the stay factors have not been met. Explaining that we ordinarily lack jurisdiction to hear an enter locatory appeal from the district court's grant over TRO. The motion for some, like what?

I'm sorry. How are you, how are you in appeals, the eighth court of appeals? You lack the jurisdiction over a federal judge who issues a TRO that is in opposition

to the Supreme Court? You know, Roland, when we have branches of government either fighting against each other, right, congressional versus the judicial or the legislative branch

versus the executive branch this is not governance. This is not governance. As a legislator, I can't figure out between the federal government and the state government how we are going to come out of this mess

in the next two years. I keep pointing to my colleagues about Project 2020, they said they were going to dismantle, disrupt, and destroy every pillar of this governing institution. Starting with the Constitution, they said they were coming after the Fourth Amendment, the First Amendment, the Second Amendment, the 13th, 14th, 15th Amendment. And now here we are. And so the last frontier is going to come up in 55 days, Rowland. for your listening audience,

for those who continue to say my vote, I shouldn't have to vote or I don't care to vote. I mean, all this foolishness right now, I remind people, 90 million people, registered voters stayed home in 2024. 90 million. White's black, male, female, old young, 90 million.

And so they didn't believe that this was going to happen for whatever reason they elected the couch and started the ballot box. The last point I would say to your point, rolling, is this. When we can't as a civil society have the rule of law as our guardrail,

so if you have this Supreme court telling the executive branch that, hey, go ahead and knock that ball, go ahead and continue to build this ballroom. Yes, it's going to cost a billion dollars. Go ahead and continue to dismantle this, disrupt that, or better yet, allow for ICE to kill American citizens. And to this day, Roland, no one's held accountable. They don't, the dude, they don't, they don't.

guys so this is this is the not governance piece and I don't know how we're going to come out of this rolling after this

is not reform it's going to have to be restructuring listen I'm just telling you his was crazy so the Secretary of State was supposed to respond by 1 p.m. today

to the Missouri Supreme Court Lisa he didn't even respond instead he decides to file a lawsuit in federal court to stop tomorrow's hearing before the Missouri Supreme Court. I'm telling you, these folks got no shame, and this is how they're going to respond to everything. If the Secretary of State was black,

the Secretary of State would not have been allowed not to respond and then file. To your point, there is absolutely no governance happening. That whole piece you read earlier a few minutes ago was nothing about a word salad. It's not saying anything. You know, these lawmakers are shameless. These judges, not...

This ain't the question to be it was black. No, no, no, no. This ain't the question of me it was black. I'm telling you right now, if the Secretary of State was a Democrat, Fox News, the whole Republican... They would be yelling and screaming and acting a damn fool.

So this ain't got... This ain't no white-a-black issue. These people believe that they do not have to follow law. They absolutely are about how Donald Trump acts. They're like, damn, the law we do what we want to do. And the lawmakers, a friend of mine, I said, you know, what's going on where I see, you know, in this Trumplican world where even people with just doctorate degrees,

people who are judges and lawyers, you don't mind putting your law degree on the line for this man? It's happening over and over again. So even the lawmakers don't care about the law. It's some kind of cult. So yes, to your point, I stand corrected. Let me rephrase. if this was a Democrat, please it wouldn't be happening.

So this is the disappointment. And back to pricing, I mean, we're in a lot of trouble, like I said, a couple of minutes ago. I'm afraid for November because there is no stopping them. It's almost like a Frankenstein has been created. So I'm just kind of watching it like a tennis match going back and forth, like what's going to happen? Because they can do this with impunity and they face no kind of punishment.

They have no accountability. and they're doing it in plain sight I'm thinking who is going to stop them? Hello! Can they be stopped? It's egregious. It's being allowed to be egregious. This is why I'm clear. Throw his

ass in jail. And what you do is you send a signal to every you send a signal to every Republican in the state of Missouri. Act a fool. I'm a bus your ass. That's the only, that's the only

They only respond to force. Well, you slapped him cuffs on his ass and walk in the jail and say, F-A-F-O. I'm going to go to a break. I'll be right back. Rolling Mark on the Blacksler Network. All right, folks, let me get personal for a second. My mom had questions about her Medicare, so she called Chapter, a Medicare advisory company,

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I'm Chris Tucker, and you watching Rolling Martin on filter? Boy, you keep rolling with rolling. All right, folks, if you want to see a couple examples of sheer stupidity and the defense of racism on mainstream white media, just take Fox News. than CNN. Now, in New York City, Mayor Zoran Mamdani has a 70% job approval rating, according to a Suffolk University poll. The vast majority said the Democratic Socialists is doing better than expected. Fifty-six percent of New York voters said Mamdani did an excellent or good job, while 17% rated him fair. The poll also found nearly 74% of voters think Mamdani should attend a 25th anniversary

commemoration of the 9-11 Memorial Service on Friday, despite some Republicans and some relatives of victims asking him to stay away. Mamdani plans to go as the New York City representative. And despite his favorable approval rating, New York City Council member Vicki Palladino appeared on the Laura Ingraham Show on Fox News to weigh in on the survey. And if you want to see racism at its finest, here you go. So I am furious. And one thing I do want to say, I want to give it. Yeah.

His numbers are still pretty high. I was shocked to see. But his approval rating, I believe, I don't think we have the graphic, but his approval rating in New York is pretty strong. Is that surprising to you? Or do you think no one's answering the surveys or what? It's, look, you got to find out who he's surveying. All right, he's not surveying people like myself, average, middle-white working class people.

He's not doing that. He is tending his nest with these young people. You know, everybody has control over the pollings that they do, and he's certainly a good example of how he does that. He has manipulated a base of people, and he's not giving up. you know, he's doing his community of mass engagement where we just found out 200 people are being paid taxpayer dollars to carry his message. This is, this is as bad as it gets. Elections have consequences.

Counselwoman, thank you very much. Good to see you. Okay. When a poll is taken, a poll factors in different people, which means that we told you, 74% approval rating. That means it's another 26% that don't approve. So, okay, but you got this white woman who goes on Fox News, who is talking to a white conservative audience.

And this white woman says, oh, they're not talking to white people. like me. So what she's saying is they're talking to those others. They're talking to the blacks. They're talking to the Latins. They're talking to the Muslims. They're not talking to white working class people like me. That is right in line with. Right. in line with the racism on Fox News. Now here's what's hilarious. This is from Suffolk the pollsters. In recent months Mayor Mamdani has taken fire from New York City employers, business advocacy groups, small grocery store owners, local delivery service businesses, pro-Israel and Jewish community advocates, and parts of his own progressive

base said David Palliologos, director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center, and yet the numbers reveal that a strong percentage of New Yorkers think he is doing a good job and performing better than they thought he would. Rebecca, is white folks like Palladino? And, hey, guess what? I certainly, by all means, I appreciate race, his ass Vicki making it clear that white folks like her, they are not down with this brown-skinned dude who's the mayor of New York City. Please, by all means, put your racism out front so we're clear. The colored signs, white-only water signs have been put up, but Paladino knows she can go to Fox News to feel comfortable in her whiteness, complies.

about that brown man sitting in the mayor's seat? So she's right. He's not exclusively talking to white people like her in New York. And she is so used to being centered because in this country, especially when you are a brown and you are a brown immigrant, child of a brown immigrant, you are taught that assimilation means proximity to whiteness, trying to become whiteness, center whiteness.

And here comes this guy, Zaron Mandami, and he's not centering white people in New York, which is not a majority white city. And she's freaking out because she doesn't know what to do with it. She doesn't understand a world in which she isn't unfairly centered in that world. She doesn't understand it. But the truth is, that is the globe. Like we talk a lot about the global south.

Well, guess what? It's not the global south. It's really the global majority. And that's what New York City is. It's a microcosm is a major international city that's reflective of the entire world. and that is how he's governing. And this is a good thing. We actually need mayors like that.

We need governors like that. We need a president like that. See, what you have at play here, Derek, is Palladino saying, why must y'all talk to them people? No, no, no, no. We're the ones that matter the most. Us, white people.

us white working class people. We don't give a damn by the rest of them people. Yeah. You know, before I address the racism piece, Roland, if I may, I just want to tell the Democratic establishment, those who were rejecting him, look at the numbers, right? I mean, because we start to hear all this socialism, Democratic socialism.

So before I talk about the racism, I just want, I just want the Democratic establishment to look at the numbers. Got it. I got it. Look at how voters are responding to the authenticity. But more importantly, the racism, Roland, I know racism didn't start when Trump came in the office. He ripped the Band-Aid off.

Folks are emboldened and empowered through their entitlement. And so that's what we're starting to see. Yeah. There's no longer the, the, the, the, the, going to whistle, they're using a bullhorn on national television to talk about their entitlement. And see, and obviously, Lisa, Laura, Laura Ingram, she can't read at all because they don't do any research over there at Fox News. It's abundantly clear. And this is the actual cross tabs of the Suffolk poll. For statistical purposes only, do you consider yourself white Caucasian, 36%?

of those who responded in the poll called called themselves white. 28% called themselves, 28.8% called themselves black African-American. Native American, Alaska Native, 1%, Asian, 9%. Native Hawaiian, other Pacific Islander, 0.20. Hispanic, Latino, 17%. Two or more races, 4.2%. Other 1.2% don't know 1.4%. So, she's complaining that, oh,

But white working class people like me, that's the problem. Well, white is 36%, but this is probably why she's really upset because of those polls when it comes to education. Some high school with 3.8%. High school graduates, 16.2%. Some college, 28.2%. Trade technical vocational training, 2.6% college graduate, 29%. Masters or Ph.D., 19%. So she's really upset.

really, that 48% of the people polled have a college degree, college graduate or have a master's or a Ph.D. That's what's really bothering her. But again, so it's like, oh, my God, what happened to the white people like us? Well, didn't Donald Trump said, I love the uneducated, right? Right. He's talking about Vicky. Right.

So, right, exactly. So white people like that are totally but hurt because Zoran Mamdani is up in there killing it. His high approval rating was not just handpicked by his base. It was picked by people who live there and they're thinking, up, he fixed potals check. He's done this grocery stores check, buses check. He's literally earning his rating frame by frame. And granted, Mom Donnie's been in office under a year. he's killing it. See, these mediocre white people like her, even his successors, people who were in

that office before him, the mediocre white folks didn't do, I'm not saying didn't do anything, because that wouldn't be true, but didn't do half as much in more time as Zerran. So it's really like grinding her gears. His approval rating is based on not supposition, not based on someone's opinion, based on work, based on accountability, based on fact, based on transparency, based on Literally, he doesn't do it every time, but I've seen him do, you know, have meetings with the media talking about, we did this, we did that, we, we, I've never seen anybody do that before. Total transparency. Got it. So you know what, as they say, you ain't got to like it, but you're going to have to love it. And again, I, I try to tell y'all, I explained y'all, there's a reason I wrote this. There's a reason I wrote this. Oh, my God. I told y'all, white fear, how the Browning of America is making white people.

lose their minds. Bicky Palladino cannot stand the fact that that brown man is sitting in the New York City mayor's office. But that was one example. Then, of course, the other example. Let's go to CNN. Now, Donald Trump and his purely ignorant Secretary of Defense, Pete Higgs said, they are going to return a Confederate monument that is one of the most racist, monuments in the country, they're going to return it to Arlington National Cemetery. That has a lot of people really upset. So, there was a conversation on CNN about this. And the biggest Trump apologist slash ass kisser, Scott Jennings,

if you want to hear revisionist white man's history, just listen to Scott Jennings have this conversation with Van Jones and Anderson Cooper I'll just point out that the statue was originally and it was approved by the war department I think in like 1906 or something and it didn't get built until 1914

so it was part of a federal project that I think at the time had good intentions and numerous U.S. presidents over a period of time acknowledge that but I think Van makes excellent points too you know, if they put it back, I think you have to put it back and you have to tell the context of the period

in which it was commissioned and why it was put there. If you don't put it back, I think it probably should go in a museum and in a museum, someone should say, here's why it was built, here's why some people think it's offensive and here was the historical context going on over 100 years.

Okay, that was a whole bunch of gobbledygook. And okay, I'm sorry, play that again. Well, it was, I'll just point out that the statute was originally commissioned and it was approved by the war department, I think, in like 1906 or something, and it didn't get built until 1914. So it was part of a federal project that I think at the time had good intentions, and numerous U.S. presidents over a period of time acknowledged that. But I think man makes excellent points, too.

You know, if they put it back, I think you have to put it back and you have to tell the context of the period in which it was. commissioned and why it was put there. If you don't put it back, I think it probably should go in a museum. And in a museum, someone should say, here's why it was built. Here's why some people think it's offensive. And here was the historical context going on. Okay, it was all other nonsense that he was talking about. He was talking about, oh, and how, you know, this was put up and when it went up. And he started talking about McKinley Jackson and how it was about bringing the nation together and this was about reconciliation

and this monument was a part of the whole reconciliation movement. And he was giving all of this stuff as the rationale why. Now, again, Van was real nice with Scott Jennings and he was trying to walk him through. I just sort of remember when I was at CNN And there was a debate about a Confederate monument or a day for Confederates in Virginia. And I was debating another ignorant white man about that. And I'm just saying I was just a little bit different in tone to Van Jones.

And nothing against Van, but styles are different. but also I just don't believe in letting white folk off the hook for their bullshit. Watch. We now is Bragg Bowling, the commander of the Virginia Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, also political contributor Roland Martin. Roland, what do you make of this? Was the governor just trying to appeal to his base? Was this just a mistake?

No, first of all, he clearly was trying to appeal to his base. It was an idiotic mistake for him to sit here and propose. claim this. I mean, the bottom line is the Confederacy was based upon this issue of slavery. And so it was hurtful. It was degrading. It was an oppressive system. And so I don't even see how he could even come up with this whole notion that it really wasn't significant enough to mention it. And that there's really no big deal. Let's celebrate the Confederates. It makes no sense. That's like someone sitting here saying let's celebrate Nazi soldiers for simply doing their job. Ridiculous.

Bragg, your group, the sons of Confederate veterans lobbied the guns. to make this proclamation. Was it a mistake? Not at all. I applaud the governor for his courage and his insight. And I completely disagree with Mr. Martin. There were a whole lot of issues other than slavery involved in that war. And actually, he's given a good reason why there should be Confederate History Month,

because he knows only one reason, and that's slavery. And there were a whole lot more. But do you think it was a mistake for the governor not? mistake for the governor not to mention slavery in his proclamation. The governor, it was an omission and the sons of Confederate veterans has always wanted a true and accurate history of the war and that includes slavery. So we are not at all opposed to the insertion of that cause. No sane person in the 21st century supports slavery.

But on your 50 years ago, there are people that act like it's 1865 right now. Right. website though on your home page you don't mention anything about slavery you say that the civil war which you called the second American Revolution was about the preservation of liberty and freedom that that was the motivating factor it was there's no doubt about but you make no mention of slavery here organization of Confederate descendants and so we're naturally going to support the honor and good name of the Confederate soldier he wasn't a

politician but but what but wait a minute here's the reality the fact of the matter is Virginia did not want the federal government telling them what to do. It was dealing with the issue of slavery. Now you sit here and talk about freedom, but guess what? People who look like me, they were not free. They were oppressed of the people who were fighting the system. Let them finish and then I'll let you answer. No, no, no, again though, that is the reality. And so when you sit here and say we will celebrate the Confederate veterans, these folks committed treason by taking up arms against the United States. You celebrate that? They were domestic terror.

Can I speak? Yeah. Go ahead. Okay. He's incorrect, especially when it comes to Virginia. Slavery had absolutely nothing to do with Virginia leaving the Union. As of Fort Sumter, Virginia was firmly pro-union. It was when Abraham Lincoln called up 75,000 troops to invade the Lower South that Virginia seceded.

And the governor of Virginia, John Letcher, said that no Virginian would be. No Virginian would be allowed to fight against fellow Americans and be coerced into staying in the union. Virginia wouldn't do that. It had nothing to do with slavery. Why did they do it? Slavery. They did, look, South Carolina, it's all slavery.

You can dance around it, you can spin it, you can dress it up, but that is the reality. And the problem here is the governor, look, you had two previous Democratic governors who would not issue this particular proclamation. Then you have a couple of Republican governors before that who did so, but even governor Jim Gilmore saw the need to cause slavery what it was. This governor made an egregious mistake, and it is insulting, sir, for you to sit here and say, well, it was simply an omission. And if you can't even recognize on your own website, that is insulting.

Even if he did put the reference in. You wouldn't, because this is political. I don't support the celebrating of terrorists. I don't support the celebrating of terrorists. This is political, Mr. Martin. I don't support somebody, I don't support somebody celebrating Nazi soldiers by saying, well, they were only doing their job. I equate the two the same.

I hate to tell you, but the Confederate soldier was hardly a Nazi. He's been the main fighting force for the United States in every war we've ever fought as the southerner. So, Bragg, do you then disagree? Breg, do you disagree with what the governor has now done? Because in his new statement, in the new proclamation, he seems to disagree with you that you say slavery had nothing to do with Virginia in the war.

I disagree with the fact that. he said that it was the reason, and it wasn't. But he's been pushed into this by people like Mr. Martin. This is a political opposition of Robert McDonald. No, it's basically what he's hearing from. It's called history. These same Confederate veterans, they didn't want people who look like me to read, and this is why, because we also understand the real history.

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because they wanted to keep the way of life, which was to keep people like me in chains, beating them, oppressing them, and denying them the rights they richly deserved. Those are facts. The United States was the only country in the Western Hemisphere that ended slavery through war, and that was a policy of the Union government.

What was the first state to legalize slavery? Virginia. What was the who had more slaves in any other state? Virginia. Every single president that came from Virginia was a slaveholder. You can sit here and say that's not true, but they are simply facts. Bregg, why do you call the Civil War the Second American Revolution? I mean, this was a war to destroy the United States.

Mr. Cooper, we're seeing many of the same issues today that the Confederacy fought for 150 years ago. Smaller government, lower taxation, a less imperialistic government, too. So are you saying that the current efforts by Republicans are similar to efforts by Confederate soldiers? No, I'm not. I'm just saying that the issues, many of the issues which were part of the Confederacies in 1860, you still see today. Right, but those issues were pretty much resolved by the Civil War. war. Go ahead, Roleman.

No, secession was resolved by the Civil War. That was the only issue was truly resolved. And they succeeded primarily because of the whole issue of slavery. And look, Anderson, these are the same folks who have tried to use states' rights. The two biggest reasons they've used the Tenth Amendment have been because of slavery and when it came to education. And so in their position, all those particular positions, the same voices, the same people saying, oh no, the Confederates, the way of law.

This is how the Southern way of life. That should be rejected absolutely. And so he wants to talk about taxes and things along those lines. Nonsense. But secondary issues, slavery was the primary issue. Again, y'all, I'm just of the position. I'm as of a position. You can't let racist off the hook.

You got the call this thing a thing. You got a call this thing what it is. And I ain't playing footsie with these people, Rebecca. I ain't playing nice with these people. My deal is you got to smack the shit out of them. You got to call them out at every single turn and you don't dance around this. Yeah, for Greg, he's just spouting so-called history,

but guess what? My family actually lived through it. So this is a history that I spout, but this is the lived experience of my family. I know what my family went through. I know the stories that they passed down. So for him to actually try to, get on TV at that time and say the things that he's saying, he must not know the history of

black people in this country. We were here probably before his people were here. So how is he going to tell us what was happening before he even got here? That's the first thing. He doesn't even have the moral authority or the actual authority to get up on TV and say any of those things. But here's the other thing, if you notice in that exchange between you and Greg, he said, well, that was, slavery wasn't the reason. But what he leaves the door open for, is that it was a reason. Now, I believe, and factual history shows it was the reason, but even in his false framework that he used,

he can't even deny that it was a reason. So that totally undercuts his argument. Well, I sat here, and Lisa, again, when I looked at, when I look at that conversation, even with Scott Jennings and Van Jones, and here you have Scott, whoa, you know, everyone in one, I guess it's over here. If you have it, you know, you should just put this thing, you know, in the museum. That's really, I think.

No, no, no, no. Why don't you take a position? It was, and here's the problem. Again, we go back to the law. Congress passed a law saying remove all Confederate monuments from military bases and military installations. That was a law. Donald Trump and Republicans want, or what they're doing is they're like, the hell with the law that was passed, we're going to put it back. Damn, you're a law. So they're actually breaking the law. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Rolling, let me go back a little bit.

You know, when I saw that clip of you, Roland, it gave me life. You know, I'm a little younger than you, and I was always watching you on seeing him back in the day. And before I used to come on television and talk to topics. Lisa, Lisa, how old are you? A little, just a couple of weeks. No, actually, I'm lying. I'm older than you, Roel. I'm actually older than you.

Don't tell them about it. Lisa, how old are you? I'm 62, actually. I'm a little older than you. Hey, how are you talking about? I'm 57. I know your ass did not try to say, you younger than me.

Shut up, Roland, shut up. Okay. Hell, I ain't going to, I ain't going to be your age to the damn 2032 presidential election. I'm a woman. Give me a break. I can't tell my real-age. Don't you come on a show with that bullshit talking about I'm a little younger than you

and then, no, hell, no, I'm calling your ass out. Oh, damn it, man. But, um, so, you know, that... I don't lie. I do not allow a lot of lying on here, Lisa. Better go on with your damn comment. Yeah, I'm going to go back of it. Yeah, so I'm a little old and

rolling, but I, I, I joke, but I used to love watching you on, on CNN because it gave me life. I used to be kind of like, the entertainment person, and when I started doing these topics about women's issues, topics about black issues, it's very scary to keep it real. So you were my North Star. And then the wild part about this fast forward to now, when we see, when we see, we know that Van Jones, even when he had the dreads, was not a Roland Martin? So was I going to think that Van Jones current day was

going to challenge this fool no? So like, he let that mediocre white man stand there and play with him all day, play around. You didn't do that in that clip. You kept on sticking to it. You put that mediocre white man in this place, and you told him the facts and the truth, and you tried to hold him accountable. And I was so shocked that, you know,

he didn't get angry, thank goodness. So fast forward, we need people like the Roland Martins who are still going on the white platforms to be, you know, unapologetic. Oh, no, they ain't calling my ass. They ain't calling me. But my point is, okay, if not you, then whoever's there, what are you about to do?

So I'm not looking for Van Jones to do, but I'm thinking like when... Right, and that's my whole deal. My whole deal is, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is not a moment. This is not a moment, Derek, to play footsie with these people. What they have done is expressly show their racism when it comes to black people in the military,

removing the photo or the portrait of General Chappie, James, returning the portrait of Robert E. Lee to the mess hall at West Point, removing books and discussions from West Point, how they took down the information regarding Megger Everest and Jackie Robinson from Arlington National Cemetery website and only put it back because they got pressure. Taking down the history of women in the military. Pete Hicks said denying opportunities for advancement of African Americans and women. These people, Donald Trump, Pete Hickset, his entire administration, they are racist, they are sexist, they're misogynist, and this is not a time to play footsy with his people. This is about putting our foots on their necks and not let their asses off the mat, simple as that. And we need to hold them accountable, right? We need to hold them accountable, Roland, to your point about history. there's no time machine

for them to go back and try to whitewash it right but they're going to try to revise it and you know and just for giggles rolling because I wanted to make sure that because a lot of this big tech they're all involved with this administration that didn't

change when I went to go Google and so Google says because I still want to be able to tell young people to Google it Google says Roland the American Civil War from 1866 to 1865 was primarily fought over the moral, political, and economic conflict surrounding the institution of slavery, period.

Esclamation mark, while the background of the conflict was multifaceted, modern historians overwhelmingly agreed that the southern states succeeded specifically to preserve and expand slavery, period. This was not about taxes, this was not about land, this wasn't about reparations, and from Abraham Lincoln, this was purely about slavery. We have to hold them accountable today.

So that way, 10, 20, 30, 50 years from now that the future that's watching us today, Roland, will understand that black people always help build this country. We built this country. We were here.

We were here before they even came here. Again, what Donald Trump is doing, they want to rewrite American history. They want to do it at the Sponsonian. They want to do it at the Washington House in Philadelphia. They want to do it at Arlington National Cemetery. They have removed the language that called out this Confederate monument in International Cemetery. And I'm sorry, we cannot be silent when these people want a white man's history and they don't want their

true telling of history. All right, folks, got to go to break. Second half of the show, lots of deal with. I got to deal with Fat Joe and the N-word. This shit's pissing me off. So I got to deal with that. We're going to talk about a professional, a black women's golf tour that's in the nation's capital this week.

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And if y'all think I'm, I play around with this, I'm trying to tell y'all I don't. I literally have one of these putting greens in my house. I have it here in studio. And I also have it in our van. So y'all know I'm gonna always play golf. And so here in DC, y'all this weekend, had a Sapphire Golf Tour. It's a tour that's supporting black female golfers.

And joining us right now is Todd DeLavale. He's the founder of the Sapphire Tour. He's an alpha man, glad to have you here. So how did this thing start? Well, why did you start this tour? The tour started because I realized, and thank you again for having me on I appreciate it.

I saw something that was happening in golf from men, especially African-American and black men, that was not happening for our sisters. And we've only had eight black women. We've only had eight black women actually on the LPGA tour. And with that, in 75 years, what's been happening is we're seeing a pipeline and a pathway issue.

And from little kids and young girls all the way through high school and college, And then when they graduate from these HBCU programs, there's nothing for them. Well, HBCU programs or PWI. And the reality is you've got very few. I mean, listen, you got way more black women who've been on the LPGA tour

than black being on the PGA tour. Even the likes of Cheyenne Woods, of course, he went to Wake Forest, who's no longer playing. She asked to Averyhart, Jackson State. Then you had Mo Stacks. She went to, did she go to Wake Forest? What is she? Stanford.

She went to Stanford. You got Sedina Parks. Now you have, of course, Amari Avery who went to USC. She was the first black woman went on the Epson Tour. And what people don't realize is, first of all, pro golf is hard. You take the NBA. There are 450 NBA jobs, all right? What?

The PGA tour is 150 or 125? LPGA? I mean, we're not talking a lot of slots. So it's a lot to get to that top tier. and you need finances, you need money, and you need to be playing at a competitive level. That is the case. So what's happening is that the resources are not there. Right.

These young ladies are coming out, and we have, when we started our tour last year, we've only been around for a year, and we've actually hosted nine events, given over $140,000 in purse money, which is even minuscule. When you look at what's actually being held on the EFSA tour, their last one was like, I think it was the Evian, it was $9 million. and it went up a million dollars because the guy just felt like I added one more again. Gotcha. We're now as the Sapphire tour, we are pushing, this is our tour championship right here in D.

So this is called what is called a mini tour. It's a developmental tour. A developmental tour. Yes. And there are other developmental tours. They're also called mini tours. That was a guy I follow on Instagram. He often talks.

He often will show how much money he makes playing in these tours. And a lot of the times, they're losing money. playing in these tours and it requires money you're talking about you've got different coaches something some people have swing coaches putting coaches you've got travel you've got food you got to pay your caddy registration fees it's a whole lot that goes into it and and the reality is there are a lot of people as they're trying to get to tour they have they have what are called sponsors individuals that are that are putting in 50 100,000

or more to quote sponsor them and they're getting a cut of their future earnings if they actually make it to the PGA or LPGA tour. If. Yeah, if. Yes. For me and these when we started no when we lined all of our women up, none of them had sponsors and there was no logos on their shirts, their hats, their bags, nothing. A year later, it's the same. And so for us and for me as the tour commissioner and the founder, I really fight for them on a daily basis. Right. And I try to put them as many opportunities with events. We just came back from the Urban Golf Weekend.

Ray Lee and Faith McKinney were there. And they can introduce to everyone from Lexus to some other major companies. And everyone is falling in love with them, but they need to meet them. Yeah. When they don't meet them and when they can't network with them, those opportunities are lost. Well, it's sort of similar to what Jeff Champ did. Jeff Champ is the father of Cameron Champ. Yes.

And what Jeff did was they created the Matt Invitational, named after Cameron Champ's grandfather, African-American, who taught him the game of golf. Jeff was a minor league baseball player. And Jeff created that to give young golfers, golfers who never get a shot at building up points to be seen. And what he does is he invites a lot of the HBCU golf coaches to the tournament and others to recruit those kids.

And what has happened is those kids now have an opportunity to win and show the ability to play and gain scholarships. So for a lot of people watching who really don't understand the millions of dollars that go unaccounted every year for golf scholarships. And many of our kids, if we're getting them to play at an earlier age, they could literally be qualifying for that. And unfortunately, when you look at even a lot of these HBCU golf teams, a lot of them don't have black kids. players. They don't. Tennessee State's one of them. When we look at, I did the numbers for black folks and golf at the HBCU level, we're only 42%. The long loading times, the glitchy video calls.

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But we need to be careful because if we don't make sure that there's a pipeline of young girls coming out of high school from wherever, depending on, you know, regardless of where they're from, we're not going to have young black girls in those spots. And that $80 million that we talk about is lost as far as scholarships for golf, they're not going to get those. It's going to go to other kids from other countries.

Well, one of the things that we are seeing, which I think is a good thing. The reality is you've got more sisters and brothers playing today than ever before. Professionally. No, no, no. I'm a professional.

Period. I mean, I mean, who just playing. And that's a result of, again, we go back to, I mean, we've got those shoes up there, the top, those golf shoes, those from Eastside Golf from their change series. 61. And from 19601, when the Caucasian only rule in the PGA tour was lifted. Yes. And, you know, you've got guys like Calvin Pete, you know, had he been allowed to play earlier, introduces the game earlier, he would have easily quitted. won enough tournaments to qualify for the World Golf Hall of Fame.

You need 15 wins, he's at 12. When you think about Charlie Sifford, when you think about Lee Elder, when you think about so many of those male players, you think about on the women's side, it was Althea Gibson, who was the first black player on the LPGA tour. What you have now is,

and so I always say how I look at the end of the Civil Rights Movement, I sort of mark it with Dr. King's assassination April 4th, 1968. And what you begin to see, you begin to see when a lot of these whites-only courses slowly begin, country clubs begin to go away in the 70s. They still existed in the 80s and 90s. And, of course, you had the whole incident at Shoal Creek in Alabama. Yes. Where the PJC and if y'all don't get rid of your whites-only, you can't host a tournament.

And they were forced to do so. The masters, of course, finally came around to admitting you had Ron Townsend, who was the first African-American, who was the president of Gannett Television. Then later, a number of other Lloyd Banks and kind of Lisa Rice, Christopher Williams now. But what you now have is, I dare say, with the 80s and 90s, and obviously with Tiger Woods coming in, for all y'all, like, I was playing golf before Tiger.

So a lot of people that was like, oh, I started with Tiger. No, I took golf as my PE at Texas A&M in the fall of 1987. But what you now have is, you now have, I dare say, two generations of African Americans who are now playing, and as a result, their children are playing, and when you belong to a country club in many places, your kids get to play for free. And so your point

about the pipeline, it actually has to be built. It has to be created, and you still have public courses, now you have first T. So we're finally seeing a decent number, but to go to that next level is going to require a different set of finances.

I live in Memphis. Memphis has seven public golf courses that are managed by the park system. So all kids are free, 17 and under. We have 100,000 kids. Anybody's 17 and under? Free. Can play at any public golf course in Memphis for free. For free.

Wow. However, you have 100,000 kids in the school system, and less than 75 are actually playing competitively. So this- Well, look, 75 black kids. No. I'm not saying. black kids. So 75

total kids in Memphis public schools play golf, competitive. Out of 100,000 that are enrolled. Wow. But that number when you look at what's the percentage of that? Right. But what could it be? So there's a resource thing, there's an access thing, and then there's, we want them to play

golf. We want them to play basketball and football and baseball. So where's the track going? Yeah, but also what I've access to? I mean, I can go out, I can have a basketball hoop in a backyard where I can play. It's free. golf, now you're talking equipment, now you're talking golf ball, now you're talking shoes. It's all of that. That's one of the reasons why, so for me, I've got three golf club, I've got three sets of golf club in three cities. So whenever I get a new set with my main set here, then my old set goes to my house, my brother's house in Houston. Okay. That set goes to my,

goes to my house in Dallas. Does it travel? And then, huh? It travels? No, no, no. Right. What I'm saying is, so the old set here goes to Houston because my B-Sense. My old B set becomes my C set at my house in Dallas. And then that C set, I actually go to, I actually go to, why I escape being the course in Dallas, the public course in South Dallas. And so I'll drop off clubs there.

Here, I've dropped off shoes, other golf balls I collected, or they'll use to Langston here as well, for these younger kids. So it's like, hey, because you got you got to close the equipment gap as well. So it's a whole lot that goes into why many of our kids are not playing golf. And so we got to do all we can to close that gap, that equipment gap, the clothing gap, all of that. What you're talking about is even more difficult when you talk

about when you're trying to go next level, folks, sisters who played in college and now trying to go to the pro tour, the LPGA or the Epson tour, which is there, which is there right under the LPGA? When I started to tour last year, we played at Woodmore, we had 10 young women. It was eight pros and two amateurs. Woodmore Country Club in Maryland? Yes.

When y'all came in DMV, got it. Yes. We had eight tour players, eight pros, and two amateurs. One of those amateurs now is going to be at Towson State, and the other one got a full ride at Rutgers. So these are opportunities that we've given these young ladies because we want to make sure that when we're playing, we invite young ladies who are from that city

to come play and compete with us, whether they're in high school and or in college. But the big thing is that with that, what's happening now is we have now 24 on our roster versus 8. And seven of our women are actually going to Q school. Q school costs anywhere between $5,000 to $8,000 per. Meaning, yo, if you don't make it,

you've got to come back next year, pay that same fee. The re-up is real. Because if you don't, there's a two rounds of golf and then there's a cut. If you don't make the cut on that second day, you go home. Regardless if you play all three rounds or just two, then basically your money is gone. You know, so these young ladies are raising money through private donors. They're working for different companies. They're caddies.

They're doing anything and obviously everything is possible to be able to raise enough money to do that. But now we're going into the end of the season, so money becomes short. And so what do they do between September and March? So we're working now in partnerships with Vapingo Ranch Ridge, which is the only PGA golf course in Africa. And we're looking to do like a Rider Cup kind of a tournament. What country is that in? That's in Kenya, my apology. Got it, okay.

Yep. And so with that, those are opportunities for us to get more exposure internationally, not just here in the States. But we also are focused on player development. So for us, we have performance development. We have performance development, personal development, and professional development. Those are where we need the resources and support. From corporate America, small business owners and private donors, to say how can we make sure that these young women have more opportunities during off-season so that when we get ready

for the spring of 2027, they're prepared, not just financially but mentally, emotionally. How have you been building up and what's been in the response going to these different cities? two stops that you have this year? We have two seasons in 12 months. So that's a total of actually seven. Got it, okay? And how has the response been in terms of folks attending, in terms of sponsorship?

I mean, obviously, look, it's not easy, but how has that been going? Tough. I'll be as transparent as possible. The largest company that leaned in was Huntington Bank. That's Scotty Sheffler's sponsor. They leaned in and came in for Chicago and Atlanta. But we have not, we've had nine events and no title sponsors. Title sponsor carries the weight.

It was one company, running one big check for the entire year, or whether it be one company and or individual in one city who says, I love what you're doing, I want to help, how can I help, and what's the cost of that? And then what kind of exposure do I get for that? Because obviously there's a marketing return. But it has been challenging. Our purses have gone from 20 grand to 8 grand, and it fluctuates. Last year, it was 20 grand per event.

And we say purse is meaning that's, that's, of how much the players are competing for. Yes. The first prize is what? Depend. So if it's 10 grand, it's like 4,250. Got it. And then it kind of slides down to like 250. We pretty much pay like top 10.

So we try to make it competitive enough. Right. But at least whatever they pay to get in, they get that money back. And you listen, you got a lot of people out there who are doing their part. Window Haskins has his original team golf classes. Yes. This year he had a couple of high. Iowa University students where they have a competition.

They've had upwards of four or six others. And again, prize money goes to them. And so those things are happening. I want to go to my panel with questions. Let's see here. Rebecca, I'll start with you. I think I, aren't you supposedly trying to play golf, Rebecca? And I see a video or something you posted trying to hit a golf ball?

I'm a left-handed golfer. So my question. Hold on. Hold on. Stop, stop, stop, stop. Okay, you left-handed, but are you a left-handed golfer? No, first of all, I ain't seen evidence of your, of the golf part. So let's, do, is anything post on your, anything posts on your Instagram, Rebecca?

Yep. Hold on, let me go on here. The look at her face. Yeah, go ahead and ask your, ask your question why I look at your golf swing. Go on right ahead. So it was me showing my swing and mind you, I was like, what? six weeks post foot surgery still showing my swing. I was bare foot with one foot and I had my, I had my surgical shoe on the other foot.

Yeah, I'm looking. And I'm looking. I'm looking. Go ahead and ask your question why I look for this, what is half a foot golf swing. So every sport teaches us something. What, in your opinion, does golf teach us? teaches. What does golf teach? Can you repeat the question?

Every sport teaching you something. What does golf teach you? Focus, resilience, and grit. I think most of us who play it and have played it, I've been playing since I was four. For me, the grit part, you have to be gritty to play golf and you have to be patient. Because it's not going to, you're going to be, as Roger Steele said, a very long time ago, you're going to be trashed for a long time. Actually, I think what golf teaches you, golf, out of all the sports out there, golf absolutely reveals everything about your character.

It reveals whether you are slow to anger. It reveals whether you are hothead. It reveals whether you can't handle pressure. It reveals whether you can't handle pressure. it reveals whether you are a massive cheater, Donald Trump. It literally reveals, and that's one of the reasons why I was talking to this sister, and this guy wanted to date her. And she said, well, you got to go play golf with my daddy first.

And they went and played golf. And daddy came back and he said, baby, that's a nice young man, but you ain't dating him. He didn't pass a test. Because golf absolutely reveals who you are as a person. And a lot of people, I think, make the mistake when they say, oh, the business deals are done on the golf course. No. The relationship building was built on the golf course, which then leads to those other things.

But I think that's what it does. Let's see here. Lisa, you're next. Lisa, you play golf or you play golf? attempted to hit a golf ball? I'm a disaster role. I have had a pair of golf shoes in my closet since I did a piece on the Renaissance Golf Inc.

Back in, when Tiger Woods first got big, I used to do a show called Brick City. We have one of the biggest golf courses in the country right here by my house, the week-weight golf course, if that's the name, by five minutes from my house. I've never played golf. So my question is, I'm 5-11.

I'm tall, so I should be, you know, my height is good. I don't know what to do. So when I play golf, what iron should I get? Should I get a whole bag of them? Should I get two of them? What do they call? What should I do to get started? I'm terrible.

No. Time I'm going to let you answer before I answer. Jump in. Adelairella is going to get slick with his answers. Lessons. A lot of times we want to jump and go get the entire bag. We see a lot of women getting the outfits first these days. They get the outfits and then they get the club.

which is fine because you gotta look good because you wanna feel like you wanna play good. So I would say get a lesson. You don't need clubs to go get lessons. Let someone actually introduce it to you. Find a friend, go with friends, and go to a range, go inside to an indoor simulator place. Start there because it has to be fun for you to truly enjoy it.

And then from there, I do believe you'll fall in love with it like the rest of us crazies. All right, first thing I'm gonna tell... You say Roland, what you say. No, it's real simple. It's real simple. You don't need a whole damn set of clubs. All you need is a 56-degree sand wedge, and that's the only club you need to hit for at least six months.

Everybody named Mama wants to hit Driver. It's the hardest club to hit because they want to hit it far. Not understanding that Earl Woods taught Tiger Woods green to tea, not tea to green, meaning Earl Woods taught Tiger, how to chip and put first, then 20-yard shots, 25-yard shots, 50-yard shots, 75-yard shots, 100-yard shots, and then going to the T-box. You now have a situation where you now have, and trust me, I take a lot of people to the range, you now have these grip teachers.

If you don't get your golf grip right, then everything else is screwed up. Now they have the things that you can put on your club and teach you to put your hands. That way somebody is not cussing you out trying to get your grip right. You do that now and just learn how to hit behind the ball, how to chip, how to putt. And again, it's a six-month process. Then when somebody's ready, let's go to the course, you ain't playing for scoring. You only need four clubs, either five wood or seven iron, the sand wedge, and the putter. All you need, four clubs.

Because I don't play with guys, they're like, man, I'm hitting drive. I'm like, you can't hit. I was in a tournament. It was the board magazine tournament. This dude sucked. I mean, he sucked. He was hitting the ball. It was dribbling left and dribbling right.

And so I walked by his bag and I was looking at the bag. I said, man, you got a five wood? He was like, yeah, I said, put that shit up. I said, matter of fact, put, I said, go to the car and put your driver in the car. He's like, but yeah, man, we need a driver. I said, we need a driver. I said, you suck with a driver. Hit a five wood.

It's loft. It's going to get the ball in the air down the fairway. And then he hits the ball about 125 yards. I said, see? I said, down the fairway. is a lot different to be in the trees, huh? And so a lot of people, and the last point I say this here, go out and play with either women who can play

or old black men, because they ain't trying to kill the ball. They sitting here hitting easy, and they're hitting fairways. That's what you got to do. But people want to go ahead and hit driver so fast, and I'm like, you don't know what you're doing. So that's it. Listen, I took golf as my PE for four semesters at Texas A&M, and all we did was hit one club the entire semester.

because you got to learn the golf swing first. Derek, Derek, you play? Roland, remember you asked me this question. I ain't seen no evidence. I ain't seen no evidence. It's amazing.

It's amazing all these folks claim they play golf. I ain't seen no evidence, Ty, of any. Derek, Derek, go on ahead with your question. Listen, I do not play golf like you, my dear brother. But, Ty, my question is around, sustainability and awareness, especially in this age of DEI or anti-DEI. You mentioned Memphis, but not all cities and states have the ability to do the thing that you

reference Memphis. So how do you look at what you're doing with Sapphire Golf Tour is not just for the moment, but a movement, changing paradigms, especially when it comes to. to black, you know, women, sports, to keep it one sustainable resource and finance, but more importantly, build this awareness so folks know from Memphis to Atlanta, where I am, to Miami, to New York, et cetera.

That's my question around sustainability and awareness during this age of DEI. That's a whole lot. I'm gonna break it down as best as I can. So for me, I'll start with the state the sustainability. We've been playing golf for a while. In 75 years, there's only eight black women to play on the LPGA tour. You come down to young ladies. A lot of fathers play golf, but a lot of fathers are not taking their daughters to the golf course with them

and to the range to introduce golf to them. It's become something that they do alone. A lot of women are not playing golf, but they go with their girlfriends and their friends and their sorority sisters and all these wonderful new ladies groups. These are all great, and we're doing it because now we have access to the golf court. Yep. But we're not ensuring that we're actually going backwards and introducing it to our girls. So what's important for the Sapphire Golf Tour is that what we're doing is that when we focus on, when we go into a city, we invite links, A.KAs and the deltas and all the D9 folks and those organizations and for them to bring their mentee groups. We go to Boys and Girls Clubs and YMCA's, all these other organizations, do they bring the babies.

Bring the babies to us because if they could see these black women play, they can now have interest because volleyball and all these other sports and flag football might not be for them. They may be socially awkward. Golf is a great sport for socially awkward kids and adults, to be honest. But if we do that, then now we're getting them to have interest. When there's no interest because they don't see us or women and or men playing competitively, we lose them. and they'll go find something else to do. And we already know their attention span is zero right now anyway. So for that, that's important.

But if we're going to continue this and make it something that we lean into, we have to start with the babies because we need a pipeline. The Sapphire Golf Tour is a pathway to the tour, but we get them as professionals. But the Sapphire Tour has to lean in and partner and collaborate with other organizations like Youth on Course. They make it so that kids across the United States, United States. They have over 1,500 golf courses where kids can play for $5 or $15 if they're a member.

And that's across the United States. That is important. It has to start somewhere. There has to be bold people making bold decisions and bold efforts to be able to actually make those decisions. So I hope that I'm answering your question, but that is exactly what I feel is that's going to help us. But again, I lean heavily into us black folks and parents who actually, have and even the aunties if you're loving the sport of golf now don't forget you have nieces and nephews who are also following you maybe on social and you're seeing you enjoying this wonderful sport but you're not going back and taking them with you y'all absolutely all right so first of all I got a couple of things I want to say

first if folk want to get more information on the Sapphire golf tour where do they go and walk us through the tournament events this week so all right first sapphire golf tour.com You can go right there. There's about five different ways to click to find the event. And it goes right to our landing page for the Capitol Tour Championship. This is our fifth event of the year, and this is our season finale. We have nine women competing this weekend. Tonight we have an event at the HQ House by the Burns Brothers.

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We have spectator tickets. You can come watch these women. Cheer, bring the kids, bring your nieces and nephews, bring your friends and girlfriends. Come watch them. If you want to see something that's truly special, come watch these ladies swing. Yep.

You will be amazed. Some of them are hitting a golf ball, 280 off the tea further than probably, I don't know. Now, Roland can hit the balls. I've seen his swing. Now, me, I did have a good enough smile. But no, but they are professional tour players. Come watch them, cheer for them, be a fan.

We understand the value of black women and men as a fan base, and I do believe D.C. is perfect. So, somebody wants to support, let's say they can't attend the tournament, but they want to financially support. Can they donate on the website? They go right to the website, yes. You can go right to the page that you're going to where the event is. Give it again. SapphiregolfTor.com. We are currently looking for getting ready for next year.

We're looking at Charlotte, Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta, coming back to Washington, D.C., and we're looking to go out west as well, and we're looking for title sponsors to help us make it so that we can make sure the person. Seven cities next year? Seven. Seven cities, got it. Okay.

All right then. All right, folks, so check this out. Again, y'all know, again, listen, I'll be Monday. Craig Melvich, Thea Show has his golf tournament in Connecticut. I'll be there, Jeffrey Osborne. His golf tournament is going to be on Tuesday in Rhode Island. I'm literally going from Craig to Jeffries. And then the following Sunday and Monday, I'm going to be in Columbia, South Carolina for Alex English's golf tournament.

And the only reason, Nancy Lieberman, I'm so sorry. I cannot be in hers, the 27, 28 in Dallas because Lee Saunders is retiring as the president of Aspey. His retirement celebration, the Howard Theater on the 28th. And so they were the first sponsor of this show, so I'm going to be there. But next month, also my man, Bernie Maxwell has this golf tournament this Saturday in Houston. next month, Charles Haley has this golf tournament in Dallas, and Brian Jordan has his outside of Atlanta. So y'all know.

And also, and probably next week, we'll have for y'all our recap of the Chris Tucker Golf Tournament. So, yeah, I'll be on the celebrity circuit. I do got three things to show y'all. So this first, these are the two sisters from Howard University. They played in the original T-Golf Classic, my man, Window Haskins. and it was great because the brother who was with Delta, the winner got $1,000,

and then what he did is from the floor, he threw in $1,000 in free airfare for them. And so those two sisters, again, Howard University. And then also this next video is a group. They actually have range night. It's a huge thing here in D.C. at Langston. It's the Social Golf Association. Social golf.

And so I went out there a couple of months ago, and they have as many as 500 people. They got food trucks. They got a DJ, a lot of introducing golf to a lot of folks. It's lots of fun. So we had a good time joining them. And so y'all, it's about once a month. They do this at Langston at the driving range there.

So you all want to check it out. And when I was talking about people who really have supported the game, when I play in the Matt Invitational in Houston, There was an alpha man I played with. He just passed away. And he was proud of George Gervin going to Eastern Michigan. Robert Doc Sims was a leading score at Eastern Michigan basketball history. And he then, you know, he became, you know, went to medical school, became a doctor.

He has paved the way for a lot of folks in golf. A lot of people playing the game. Again, he passed away in July. Dr. Robert Doc Sims, he was 97 years old. In this photo you see right here, that was six years ago, he was 91. He was slowing our group down. He was a huge golfer. And again, it's folks like Doc Sims.

They have sponsored hundreds and hundreds of golfers all across the country, even folks trying to go to the professional tour. And so for all your folk out there who are also, who don't understand the history, I really wish y'all stop with this nonsense, this BS that black people do not play golf. It pisses me off when I hear black people comment, oh man, y'all playing a white man sport,

that's the y'all y'all trying to do is what white folks do. Listen, there's a great book called Forbitten Fairways. It's a documentary as well that you should check out. It details black golfers going back to the the 1800s. You also have so many other stories right here. I'm going to have the control room go to group me and pull this up because y'all may, y'all might look at my mantle right here. I'm going to grab it for a second. You'll grab it right here. So y'all pull that photo. And so what y'all don't realize, and again, for the people who don't know your black history,

This here, y'all, is I won it the last, my group last year, so they had carts, so we played against people in our carts. And so this is the trophy that was handed out to the teams that won their particular group. And so you might look at this here, and you may say, well, I understand what this is. This here, y'all, is called, first of all, window has to do the original T-Golf Classic. And here's a deal. This is made after this is the actual original golf tea. Black man who was a dentist, Harvard University. Y'all can pull up the photo of when you have it.

He created, George Grant actually created, got the patent for the first golf tea. This is literally how it looked. And yes, a black man, an avid golfer, is the founder of the golf tea. And what happened was because he patented. Then years later, they pretty much ignored that someone else created another golf tea. That's why he doesn't get the credit. But literally, the inventor of the golf tea, this is exactly how it originally looked. A black man, Dr. George Grant, his portrait, show the portrait.

That portrait hangs in the dentistry school there at Harvard. And there are so many. Y'all may only hear a couple of names, but there are so many black people who have played golf, who if they had opportunity, if it wasn't for Jim Corrin racism, we would know a whole lot more people other than Tiger Woods and a few others. And so I just need a lot of our folk

who say stupid stuff like that to really learn the history. Black folks have been involved with the game of golf in this country dating back to the 1800s. It ain't new to this. We've been true to this. Correct. All right, Ty, we appreciate it. Good luck with the tournament.

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We'll discuss the fight for HBCU funding on this show. We spent time in Nashville broadcasting and speaking at Tennessee State University for what has been going on there. Remember when the Biden administration sent letters. to a number of red states saying that they owed HBCU's upwards of $13 billion, money that was withheld from those land grant institutions. Well, Tennessee State was one of those institutions, that some estimates said they were owed some $2 billion.

Now, of course, that was a huge issue. And that was just, again, from the federal government to those states, that, again, they exceed some $2.1 billion. and then the underfunding on the state level. Well, the former president of Tennessee State University has a new book called How Dare You, an HBCU president's fight for half a billion dollars owed. She joins us right now, Dr. Glenda Gloverick. Glad to have you here.

And so the fight continues. Why did you decide to write this book? Thank you. This book tells a story of how the state of Tennessee for decades went out of the way to avoid paying Tennessee State University. the underfunding was old to the tune of $544 million. That number that come from TSU. It came from the state itself.

Their own team determined that's the amount that was owed. So rather than paying it, they engage in a series of shifting narratives to keep from paying the money, ranging from numerous audits to talk to criticizing the university, criticizing the management and leadership, different things to keep from paying TSU the money. So that's what prompted me to write the book, because someone had to know the truth of what was going on with the funding that's owed to Tennessee State. One of the things that obviously, again, we've covered this.

You had the lawsuit, Alvin Chandler's led in Mississippi and Alabama. We had the lawsuit that was in 13 years in Maryland. I mean, it's rare that HBCUs have been, I don't know if any HBCU has been properly funded by the state. since its inception, it has been a constant, constant battle. That's exactly right. From the matching funds owed by the state to land grant institutions to just discriminatory funding that's taking place among non-land grants universities.

So if the plight is there, and it takes all of us to work together to challenge that system to ensure that black colleges are being funded and will get the funds that are rightful due to them. One of the things that we've talked about is that many of our largest HBCUs are located in southern states. They're led by Republican legislatures and Republican governors. And so that's also been part of this battle.

It has. That battle took place over the years. In fact, that's how Tennessee State and other schools became land-grant colleges, because the Moral Act said you can either admit students, but you can't discriminate against them, into the white universities, or you can build. to sue yourself for them. They can be able to have their own school and be educated separately from white

schools, but you just cannot discriminate and they have to be equitably funded. So that equitable funding is what we're challenging now because TSU and I don't know of any of the HBCUs are truly funded at the level that's required, that's mandated by law.

What would you say was your biggest obstacle because not only were you having to deal with Republican leadership in the legislature. You were dealing with the Black Caucus. You were dealing with alumni. There were some people who were saying, don't be too aggressive,

you're being too passive, don't push so hard. It was a whole lot going on. All of those, out of the above. But the biggest obstacle was they had the platform to present information that was simply untrue. I mean, it was almost like they pulled out of air and just made up something. Because there was never,

time that TSU, when I was a leader, went there, went to them and said, we need money for this or help us big payroll, because we knew at any point in time how much we needed to operate. We knew how many students we had. The budget was based on how many students you had because the state doesn't give us the money. They give us a small percentage between 20, 23 percent. But we get 7 to 8, 7, 7, 78 percent of our funds from donors, from tuition and fees, from auxiliary services, from the cafeteria,

from book sales, the bookstore, from residence halls. And so for them to say that TSU didn't know how to pay bills, it was just the biggest joke you can have because you owe us money from two different sets of funds from $544 million you owe us,

plus that's general reimbursements. It's the regular funding that comes to the university that you just withheld. And that's why I had to write the book because I thought the truth had to be a part of the public record. And no matter how long, I've been gone, I retired two years ago, but there is no expiration date on the truth.

So the truth had to come out. Questions from the panel. First up, Rebecca. Thank you so much for being on the show tonight. I want to speak, I want to hear you speak more about black institutions and specifically HBCUs being under attack now. My organization does a lot of work on college campuses, including HBCUs, and we do civic engagement work that's nonpartisan.

I'm seeing an increase in pushback and funding being cut from civic centers and other offices on campus that supports students getting involved in civics. So can you talk about some of the attacks that we're seeing from this regime against HBCU's? Well, let me start by saying HPCUs are not just colleges and universities. HBCUs are engines of mobility. They're the anchors that institutionally built the black little class. So when you strengthen HPCUs, you strengthen the economy. And when you cut HBCU funding, you have a devastating effect on HBCUs.

So yes, because of the fear factor that's going on now with the Washington and what's happening, There are many leaders just afraid to cross that line and do things that will call attention to the support that gives the students in certain areas. It's very difficult to continue to do something you know is beneficial to the students, but because there's always lying in the back that somebody may be there who's watching you and they cut your funding. So I think that's part of it. And then just overall, how things are happening in Washington, what's happening to HPCU. That's the problem that has become problematic to many universities. You know, got the Department of Education, the early childhood education, not getting students ready for the next level of schools.

You weaken the pipeline that keeps HPCUs stable and accredited and competitive. So when you've got a department, the stability disappears. So there are many factors that go into why funding is being cut for regular necessary student initiatives, social student initiatives. They're just being cut. Lisa. Yeah, I know that there's a battle going on to make sure that this funding, that they're being held accountable for the funding. What are some of the additional steps you guys are going to take to make sure this happens? because as we've seen in many of the segments that we talked about today,

that these people are lawless. Lawmakers can't make them, judges can't make them, a gaggle of lawyers can't seem to make people. What is the plan? Because the money is allocated, it's earmarked, it needs to go from their account to TSU's account. What's going to happen? I'm very nervous.

Well, it's clear that things cannot happen from within, because if the leadership, the president and others, they may easily become casualties. If they try to do too much and go out their two-party limb, that's why the alumni will have to step up to the plate and go after the funding. We called in Ben Kronp to talk to students when I was there, here are your options.

You can file a lawsuit. You can do this because, you know, we say you can negotiate. We try negotiation is always better to me than litigation, Well, not always, in most cases. And so there are things that the alumni, we have to have a larger educational base, the programs, to help the students understand that this is your right. Education is a right. It's not a privilege.

When they take away that right, as this administration has done in many cases, that we have to make sure that the next step is to challenge that and to fight for what belongs to you, What's rightfully yours. We'll never got anything in this country without a fight. So we encourage people to get involved in the fight for your education of freedom. Derek, you know this well. Listen, you've got HBCUs in your state owed billions of dollars as well from the Georgia legislature. Yeah, we do.

As a matter of fact, the Fort Valley State, we were in the same predicament. But we're still in the same predicament as TSU. We owe Fort Valley State rolling, get this $600 million. And we're sitting on a $16 billion surplus with our state budget. So it's not that we don't have the resources, but we just don't want to exercise the law. We ignore the law. And my question to you, Dr. Glover, thank you for bringing light to this subject and the rest of your book. But my question to you, Dr. Glover, because I know we.

what we're doing in Georgia, and we're shining the light and saying, this is how much money we're given predominantly white institutions, and this is what we're given to state black institution, and it's like a 10 to maybe 10 to 1, 11 to 1 ratio. It is completely out of whack. Are you all doing the same thing in Tennessee? Well, what has happened is from the Biden administration sent those letters to 16 governors and let them know that you are out of order. You're just for too old to the 8th nation. The long loading times. The glitchy video calls.

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Listen to NFL Daily on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. PCUs, here's underfunding, and Tennessee State, FAMU, and North Carolina, A&T, were all owe $2 billion. I think four-bought-state that's in the next tier according to their calculations. So I'm saying that once that came out, we were all excited, thinking that now there's a payment plan, we're going to at least get some of the funding, and then, God forbid, when the state itself said, we owe you $500 million, a half a billion dollars,

a half a billion dollars we owe you. And like you said, they have a deficit. I mean, there's no deficit. We have a surplus. And still, there's the funding that they're not passing over the TSU. So this is a deliberate attempt not to pay black colleges. And that's why we, I'm talking about this next week, we get to black caucus.

on my session about how to get these funds. It's a collaborative effort to get the funding owed to HBCUs. You're exactly right. They're owe money. 16 schools or 16 states owe the funding to the HPCUs in their states. We want to get a better understanding

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All right then. Folks, I've had to sit here over the last couple of days. I'm supposed to do this on yesterday, but it was really getting on my doggone nerves. And this conversation really drives me crazy. And that is, Fat Joe went on the Joe Button podcast, and he was talking about, they were talking about asking about the N-word.

And, okay, this was the discourse, some of the discourse that took place on the show. You have these people, you have these people who are now saying, saying you can't say things, you can't represent hip hop. Hear me, hear me out. They were on them for like two weeks. They're saying that because you don't come from that, that you're not allowed to embrace the culture and you had a very strong opinion on, yo. This is my culture, too. We've also helped build it. Do you feel like...

What's the question? I'm getting it. Do you feel like there was any point where you were wrong and what you represented? Are you crazy? This is a no-brainer. Okay. This is a no-brainer.

I grew up in hip-hop where they invented hip-hop. Guys, I don't know if you could have fathom that. I'm from the block that invented hip-hop. Melly Mal, Grandmaster Flash. The girls who used to babysit me, they invented... Let me hear you say, oh! Ex-grandmaster Flash. I grew up with Melimel right outside the window playing basketball.

Ruby D. first, what I got to keep explaining this to these niggas? I'm there from hip-hop. My brother was a crate boy. So back in the days, they used to have vinyl. My brother used to carry the crates of vinyl for Grand Master Flash. And when they said all that shit, and they kept doing all this weird shit, I think it was Melly Mel who finally did it. interview was like yo Joey from here like I don't know what y'all talking about

or what that was that. Niggas ran to the mountain tops after it was old. Ain't nothing to say after that. I don't understand. I was there and so somebody's like Fat Joe so opinionated and you're going to start fabricating some shit. Do you think I'm not going to defend what I know to be true? Your experience, yeah.

You experience. You know, and us in the Bronx. and especially where I go, you grew up in Hall Avenue, you had a little couple more Puerto Ricans than me. Yeah. I grew up in black.

That's, I want you to know this, right? Because I heard when that was going on, you said, yo, Fat Joe ain't black. No, I am black. Fat Joe is the blackest nigga you ever seen in your life. That's a,

Go. Okay. Mark Lamont Hill, who's on the Joe Button podcast, then went on his own show. And he said, The thing that y'all said to me is, what would you have said if you were there? Would you have held Fat Joe accountable?

Would you have challenged him? Would you have co-signed what he said? What would your take be? Some of you even pointed to previous tweets that I made in 2009. Like, aha! You said Fat Joe shouldn't use the N-word. Aha! You said nobody shouldn't use the N-word who's not black.

I don't know why this is the smoking gun that y'all are claiming. it is. I did say it. And I do believe it. If you use the N-word, you should be black. If you're going to use the N-word, you should be somebody who could actually be called it in. That's my position. That's my belief. Now, Fat Joe is making a claim here that he didn't make before, which is I'm the blackest person. You know, he's saying he is black. I am not trying to police anybody's ethnicity. I am not trying to police anybody's racial identity. But what I will say is Fat Joe seems to be using black here ironically or he's using it metaphorically. We know we've seen Fat Joe's parents.

He tells the truth. Fat Joe doesn't lie. Fat Joe is very transparent. We know who Fat Joe is. We've seen his childhood pictures. We know who his parents are. We know his ethnic origins. We know his ethnic roots. And we know that there's no reason to believe based on that that he is black.

Also, Fat Joe has talked about his support of the black community, his love of the black community, his solidarity with the black community. Last time I saw Fat Joe in person, he was at the Malcolm X at the Audubon Ballroom, supporting the Malcolm X Center. I'm saying that to say, Fat Joe has love for black people. Fat Joe is not racist. Fat Joe cares about black people, but Fat Joe is not black. I have no issue with Fat Joe's relationship to the black community, but Fat Joe is not black. Fat Joe was basically saying I grew up around black people. I grew up in hip hop. I'm a part of the culture. I am ensconced in the culture. I agree with all of that. But Fat Joe is not black. So while I love Fat Joe and I admire Fat Joe and I appreciate Fat Joe, I don't share his position that he can use the N-word by virtue of his proximity to the culture or his love for the culture. I don't think that that's enough.

This is truly one of the stupidest discussions I continue to see happening. I don't give a damn, and let me real clear, I know Fat Joe, I text Fat Joe, I sat across from him. I don't give a damn if you grew up with black people. I don't care if you're Puerto Rican. I don't care if your daddy is Afro-Latina. I don't care if your ass is black and can trace your lineage to the amistad. I don't give a damn if you call yourself FBI B1. This is literally the stupidest fucking conversation we continue to have.

We are literally, I mean, I am, look, I'm on social media, I'm seeing threads and Instagram and TikTok and all these platforms and these people are going back and forth. We are having a conversation about the word nigger. Oh, I'm sorry. No, not nigger, nigger. See, we go through this silly-ass discussion. No, no, no, no, I drop the ER because, see, when white people say it's a hard ER, and no, no, no, I use it with the A because it's a term of endearment.

It's like, oh, that's my nigger. It's the stupidest shit I ever heard. We are literally fighting and so-called claiming a word of the oppressors. Now, I don't want to hear all you fake-ass YouTube, TikTok anthropologists that started walking through how, oh my goodness, the word nigger is derived from Niger, and this was a river. I ain't trying to hear all that.

We know exactly what the hell it is. And we get offended. So some of y'all are offended because Fat Joe said it because you say, oh, he ain't black. And some of y'all get offended and pissed off when somebody white said, how about we don't say it? How hard is it to not say it?

and I'm sick of all these people who are educated and even uneducated. No, man, I mean, I know I say, I ain't should say it. I know I say it, but, you know, it's so hard to stop. No, it's not. I can tell you, I said it up until the time I was about 25. And then it was like, why in the hell am I using a word of the oppressor? Why is it if I see another black man or a black man? woman, then I am going to use the language of the oppressor against my own people.

How hard is it to say, what's up, my brother? What's up my sister? What's up King? What's up Queen? What's up homie? What's up partner? What's up, brough? What's up, sis?

How hard is that? I had a conversation with two esteem black sports journalists. Yeah, rolling, man. I know, man, I know you saying, but man, it's just so hard. No, it's not. It's intellectual laziness. And it's despicable.

When a white woman is singing some lyrics at a concert of Kendrick Lamar, oh, he stops everything and monsters her for saying it. Well, why are your ass putting it in the lyrics? Oh, white folks around. Ooh, turn it down because there ain't words in it. I want you to understand. When Michael Jackson used a racial epitaph against Jews and one of his songs, they said, first of all,

that song ain't getting put out. Two, you're going to re-record the song. Three, you're going to pay for the destruction of all of those CDs already made. Same industry would not allow. a Jewish epitaph. Y'all really trying to convince me

that Latinos will be cool if we're sitting around using derogatory language about them in their company and say, oh no, that's my boy. This is literally idiotic. It is beyond stupid. It is trivial.

When you look at the fact, now again, I just want you to juxtapose. We had a conversation earlier about Donald Trump and Pete Hegg said trying to place an absolutely racist, vile Confederate monument back in Arlington National Cemetery that portrays a black mamie. It is beyond defensive. And then here we are. We're talking about, well, who gets to say the N-word and who does. Well, I grew up in this community, or therefore I'm involved in hip hop. Or no, they're black.

Oh, no. So now we got folks debating are Puerto Ricans actually black. Well, who got dropped off first and where do people come from? And then, well, the Puerto Ricans, then the Dominicans, then the Haitians, and then now we start talking about the slaveships. How about we say no? See, I have, and people got mad at me, and I don't really give a damn when they do. I have a very simple philosophy on social media. media. Use the N-word on my page. You ask you're blocked. Oh no, no, no, no, no,

no there are no votes. There are no votes. There are no reprise. Well, you know, I didn't really, I didn't really mean it. No, no, no, ain't no votes. You're blocked. Use the N-word on my Instagram page, blocked, Twitter blocked, Instagram blocked, fan base blocked. You're not gonna call me that to my face. I'm not going to respond to the N-word. It ain't going to happen. It's not going to happen. And so it is utterly ridiculous to look at the fact that we are engaged in a war against Black America when they want to take books out of libraries, remove it, remove Black from the curriculum. They want to change the history of the museums. These things are happening and we are expending significant energy on

who gets to say the N-word and who doesn't. Well, you know what? If you eradicate the N-word, then you don't have to have a debate on who gets to say it and who does it. Because I don't see any value whatsoever in use of the N-word. No, I don't use it in private. No, I don't use it in private. No. I don't, any one of the people like, well, no, no, yes you do. No, no. I'm telling you right now, when I ran Chicago Defender, I put it on the front page of the paper. I'm talking about, so I ran that was what, 2000, that was 2005, 2004, 2007. So I can go back a minimum between two years. I can go back further. Because I literally woke the hell up one day. Oh yeah, that's right. We walk around here with our unapologetically black shirts and we got

Africa and we sit and talk about all our ancestors. In the end of course we got folks say, well, you know, our own world or you know Dr. King used the N-word to Andrew Young night before he got killed. Me and Michael Eric Dyson had that debate, I really don't live a damn. I don't give a damn a hell of Belafonte. Use it. I don't care. Anybody else use it. I don't care. I don't care. Sorry. Because when I look across that studio and see I'd be Wells-Barnett, I don't see an N-word. When I see Harabella-Fonty, I don't see an N-word. When I see James Baldwin, I don't see an N-word. I'm going to put a Paul Ropesson photo right here. I don't see an N word.

You know what I do see? Folks who will call the N word by white folks. Folks who were treated like the N word by white folks. And we objected and we were not unhappy with it. We were upset by it. Yet we sit here and then have people who say, well, well, you know, it ain't going to change nothing if you're blocking people. Well, that's not true because there are people who say, you know what?

Because of your stance, I've actually changed my stance. So how about this? How about on these podcasts, we don't use it? And you know what's probably the greatest thing that offends me? The ancestors are sitting there going, I bust my ass and gave my life to see us on television and see us on shows. And that's what we do.

This is what we do. Of all the things that we can be discussing on platforms that black people own, we literally are in 2006 having a conversation about who can say the N-word and who can't. It is ridiculous, it is childish, it is ignorant, it's intellectually lazy. And just like I refuse to allow anybody to sit on this set, that's why Umar was so mad when I refused to allow him to use Kuhn. I don't allow sellouts and Oreos and all that language.

And again, if you want to refer to my derogatory, don't call him the N-word, call him a fool. Call him a simple Simon. and call them something else. But I think it is weak. It is mentally weak to use it. And here's my last point before the panel weighs in. For the folks who say, I just can't, I just can't stop myself from using it.

Yes, you can, because you just don't go on anybody's platform and start cussing. Isn't it interesting that people have the ability to go on white network? and don't use the N word. Isn't it amazing that they don't just flagrantly cuss? Isn't it amazing when they present on award shows and they don't walk out and say, oh, the niggas in the house?

Well, that might be allowed to happen at the B and T Awards. But then, of course, they bleep it. But that right there tells you right there was exactly what I'm talking about. that BET should have more self-respect and tell anybody that comes on that show, you will not use the N-words. I can tell you some words that they won't be able to use on them shows because they don't have a penalty if they do. Y'all, enough is enough. Stop being lazy.

Stop being weak. Stop with this. I just can't. It's just so hard that I just have to use it. No, it's not. grow the hell up. Rebecca, you first. Roland, my take on this is a bit more nuanced.

Some of my ancestors use the N-word. I think as far as black folks, it's a freedom of choice here. You could choose to use it. You could choose not to use it. I understand when I'm on your platform. We do not use that word on your platform, and I respect that.

The thing with fat, Joe and or fat Joseph, as the internet is now calling him, I think it's a bit more broad. I think the conversation that people are actually trying to have is that the proximity to blackness, the so-called invitation to the proverbial cookout doesn't give people a pass in anti-blackness. and it's also for people to say, oh, well, I am part of black culture, but they're also not speaking up on behalf of black culture. And I think that's the conversation that people are trying to articulate and to call out. And for some people, it's easier to say, well, Fat Joseph can't say the N word. But as we're talking about black and brown people, as we're talking about culture, as we're talking about

coalitions. We do see that some people are comfortable with saying certain things in front of black people with black people. And it doesn't necessarily feel good. It doesn't feel right because we also don't see those people. Those same people, we don't see Fat Joseph out here talking about the Voting Rights Act and how it's being stripped away. Fat Joseph actually said, well, there's bigger issues to talk about as he pushed back against criticism. No, fact, actually, that's not true. I sat at a dinner. First of all, let me real clear.

I don't care. For me, this ain't about, well, are you speaking up for us? That ain't got nothing to do with it. For me, again, if you don't use it, we don't have to have a conversation. But I can tell you, when I was at the, when Vice President Kamala Harris had a dinner with black men at the vice president's house November 2023, that Joe was one of the participants. He participated in one of the Q&A's with the vice president or she was doing her tour.

I've seen some of those posts as well. We've had the conversations. Now, if you say there should be more, that's a different conversation. I've actually seen that happen. But again, my issue here is, you don't even have to, my deal is I don't care.

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and they're posting about all roads lead to the South, and they're supporting black canons, and they're saying financial support black women. Can they still say the N-word? So this is beyond the N-word. No, it's not. But it's not. It's like we keep, it's the same thing. It is the N-word.

This is what I'm observing. But here's the thing what I'm observing online, of observing of what people's sentiment is and what they're actually upset about. It appears that people are upset that there are people outside of identifying as black who are benefiting from black culture and are saying, I'm down with black culture when it's cool. but then when it comes to issues and attacks against black people, they're not as loud about those issues. It's great he went to a dinner, but this goes back to that classic saying of, you want our rhythm, but not our blues.

And so that is where some of the undercurrent... No, no, I mean, right, there are multiple... There are multiple conversations happening, but there are also people who are having a conversation saying, hey, I don't see it as a big deal or he shouldn't say it at all and that to me, Derek, makes no sense whatsoever. At the end of the day, if we

as black people decide that we're not going to use the language of the oppressor, then we don't even have to have the conversation where we're policing, well, you can see it, but you can't see it, but you can. I'm simply saying, why in the hell are we even using language of the oppressor

to each other? Yeah, I agree. That has always been stance, rolling, as a matter of fact, and full transparency, you know, I got seven children. My wife and I, we have four daughters and three sons. And when they start listening to hip-hop music and the explicit side, and I would hear that in the house, I would simply say, no, we don't use that word. We don't use that word.

It's not a proximity thing. It's not an ethnicity race thing because we're entitled to use it or it's the terms of endearment. No, we do not use it at all. Period. Because when you start to deal with that kind of approach, then vanilla ice can say,

hey, I grew up in Bronx and all my friends are black. Well, can vanilla ice use that word? And so I'm just saying, I'm in full agreement with, you. We just need to eradicate the use of the N-word. I don't even like saying the N-word. I mean, it's like a watered-down solution. Don't just say it. Who do I see? I see Rebecca. I see Roland. I see Lisa. When people say, well, that's black excellence. No, that's excellence. Because when you

put the word black in front of excellence, you're now marginalizing our excellence. And so I, I mean, I may be the only one on this island, but I'm just saying, don't use the word. We don't have to play police or territorial. Who can, who cannot. Don't use the word at all. I got music in movies, in the scripts, at all. Hey, and here's a deal. Listen, listen, I, first of all, I understand books.

I understand movies. I understand fiction. I understand periods. All those things. What I am talking about is literally, when I look at Lisa, how we communicate with one another. I am saying something to you, and I'm seeing something, and I'm basing that. And, again, I don't care if you grew up around black people, okay? If white boy Rick, what's the white boy in Detroit, the drug dealer, white boy Rick?

He was around a whole bunch of black people. What? Because he grew around black people. He can say it? No. Paul Wall was involved in hip-hop, grew up around black people. in Houston, Paul Wall ain't dropping it. But I'm saying, take all that out.

I'm saying as black people, if we want to talk about black respect, black self-respect, then I cannot look at you and call you the same thing that a racist, white oppressor is going to call you.

I'm just not going to do it, and I ain't going to let you call me that. Lisa, your point. I, in terms of film, I'm an award-winning filmmaker, so I'm okay, like you said, Roland, where if there's a period piece about slavery, the word, the N-word's going to be there. If there's something about, you know, something in 1940, you know, getting Jim Crowe, you're going to see it in this. So on a creative level, and I will say this, even on the creative level, I don't like gratuitous in-words.

It depends on it because jango and chain wore me the hell out. So it all depends, but I'm okay with it being in a creative place or a book. That said, I have a couple of buckets. to Martin's point, I generally feel like we need to all just stop using the word. Now, I'm guilty of sometimes behind this seems making a slip or two, and I go, damn it, man. But I've made it my goal to not say that word. Even online, I make a joke. I have a fake word.

I say, need to grow. You need to grow. That's my play word for saying need to grow, grow. You need to grow. So I'm making it fun, but yet saying let's stop doing that. Let's just grow. Now, with that said, we don't need to be saying it, and neither does fair. and I might be ruffling feathers somewhere, but I'm going to blame those men in hip hop

decades ago who let that slip from back then. You're in the studio saying it. It's on records. You're saying it. All y'all people out there who was up in that camp let him get to this point. And I'm confused as to why we're talking about it now. When Jaylo tried to say it in a song, they dragged her for filth and she had to take it out the song.

You know, women don't like men calling us the B word. you can't, it's the same analogy. You can't say, oh, you know, we call each other bees, but the man can't do it. Let's just not do it. But also, too, I'm very curious when somebody who isn't black wants to push the envelope with it. So that's my extra bucket. Why do you want to say that fat, Joe? It's like a family member.

I've had many people share negative stories about their family. My mother did this to me and my father did to me. They're calling them other names and cursing their brother out and they're going no contact. But let me say something about that same family member that will curse me out. So no, you should not be cursing your mother out or your brother out or going no contact, but I damn sure can't do it. So it's both buckets. It's that end.

So let's all stop saying it. And if we catch somebody else saying it, we need to shut them down too. So I blame all those hip-hop brothers out there, even including the Joe Button conversation, letting him just, when he kept using the word, I was warned. So my thing is, how do you allow that to happen now? It will be interesting if that same man, fat Joe, called you. your mother that name? Would you stop that conversation then? Why is it okay

on the platform but not when your mother's walking down the street or he's calling your daughter that? And again for me, I'm not making any exceptions. There are no exceptions. None. There aren't. And all I'm simply saying is this here. If I am, I don't care whose show it is, I don't

care whose conversation it is. I don't care if it's not even on TV. What's not going to happen is I'm not going to be engaged in a conversation. where somebody sits and is constantly calling me the N word. It ain't going to happen. And I'm literally say, hey, hey, you're not going to call me that.

You can call me rolling. You can use it. The reason I call it intellectually lazy, because frankly, it's very easy to come up with other words to replace it. And for all the people who say, oh, man, it's so hard. No, it's not. It's not. It's actually, it's not. and if I want to actually speak against a group of people in a negative way,

I can come up with other words or phrases that actually serve the same purpose. All I'm simply saying is the black people. I'm saying the black people. The easiest way not to have to police is to simply have zero tolerance and eradicate. To me, it ain't that difficult. I know I held y'all over. I'm sorry about that. I'm sure about that. We're supposed to have our Tech Talk segment. I apologize. We will rebook our guests for that because I went a little long on the other two.

There's some other things we did not get to. Y'all, my Lord, they trumping them fools, got their little thing down there in Dallas. Tim Scott, and I don't use this. Oh, my God. I don't know what the hell I witnessed and this fool, what he did up there. But yes, I'm going to have to show that minstrel show tomorrow. y'all y'all y'all might be able to buckle up y'all want to hear what this fool said at this this whatever the hell convention they got going on in dallas with republicans i will have that for y'all tomorrow uh lisa derrick rebecca i appreciate y'all been on today's show thank you so very much uh great job folks that is it for us again it's so much that racist republican rick davis i get to him tomorrow uh it's a lot stuff we got to get to and again if y'all want to understand why this show matters we got to so much stuff we could talk about, and we ain't got enough time. I can easy do a three or four-hour show, but I'm not going to do that.

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