#RolandMartinUnfiltered - MN cops kill Amir Locke; TN Black woman imprisoned for voting; Ronald Greene's mom speaks out

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Starting point is 00:01:31 Coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the Black Star Network. We are once again talking about killer cops in Minnesota. Folks, in less than 15 seconds, a black man under a blanket murdered in his own apartment. We'll talk about the death of 22-year-old Amir Locke doing a no-knock warrant search. Folks, it is disturbing video. And folks in Minnesota, Minneapolis are demanding answers. We will talk with his parents, their attorney, the community activist, and attorney, Nekima Armstrong, about this shameful case. Folks, in Tennessee, a black woman is going to prison

Starting point is 00:02:11 for six years for trying to vote. Really? We'll talk with the attorney and the founder of Free Hearts About Pam Moses. Again, folks, unbelievable case out of Tennessee. Y'all remember that black Louisiana State trooper who was a whistleblower revealed a pattern of misconduct and excessive force against black folks?

Starting point is 00:02:35 Well, he ultimately was fired. Mm-hmm, that's right. We will talk with him right here along with the mother of Ronald Green. Today is World Cancer Day, and Dr. Haddad Nicole Greene, one of the top scientists in her field, will join us to talk about the latest discoveries in cancer research plus President Biden's moon,

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Starting point is 00:03:56 Yeah Martin I'm out. All right, folks, a shocking story. We are back in Minneapolis detailing police and the killing of a black man. We're warning you right now. It is a short piece of video, but it is shocking and it is deadly. If you want to turn away, please do so right now. It is a short piece of video, but it is shocking and it is deadly. If you want to turn away, please do so right now. But we're going to be showing you, folks, this video where 22-year-old Amir Locke was shot by police when executing a no-knock warrant connected to a homicide investigation, and he wasn't even a suspect. Folks, Amir didn't have a criminal record.

Starting point is 00:05:07 Listen to me. No criminal record whatsoever. It was less than 15 seconds from the moment officers opened the door with a no-knock warrant before killing Amir. Again, we're warning you that this is unbelievable video. If it triggers you, please turn away, walk out of the room. We're giving you enough time to do so. But again, this is back to where we are. Watch this. Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police!

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Starting point is 00:06:02 Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Police! Mark Hanneman has been identified as the cop who fired the fatal shots. The autopsy said Locke died of multiple gunshot wounds and classified his death as a homicide. All right, folks, we've got a number of guests to talk about this here. Joining us right now is Amir's mother, Karen Wells. The family's attorney is Jeffrey Storm. We're also joined by Minneapolis activist and attorney, Nekima Levy-Armstrong. Let me first of all say this here to you, Ms. Wells,

Starting point is 00:06:30 and to Amir's father, Andre Locke, who's supposed to join us but he's not joining us. Our condolences for the both of you. I've had to interview numerous black mothers and fathers over the last number of years, and I hate doing so in these cases. So again, our condolences to you and your family and all of your loved ones. I'm going to start first with Jeffrey. What in the world happened? Why are we sitting here talking about this 22-year-old brother being dead? What happened? Roland, we just have a city that refuses to change,

Starting point is 00:07:18 and it's refused to change for as long as all of us have been working on civil rights cases in Minnesota and well before me. Repeatedly, we have people die in a very similar manner. We had a man named David Smith who was killed almost identical to the way that George Floyd was murdered. And they were supposed to provide training to stop that, and they didn't. Everyone knew that no-knock warrants were dangerous and increased the likelihood of death. We all saw that with Brandon Taylor. Minneapolis had a warning. It had a chance to change.

Starting point is 00:07:50 It told us it changed. It told us that they had policies in effect that were going to preclude no-knocks. They even advertised it as a ban on no-knocks. But we now know that that's nonsense. It's not true. And now we have this young, innocent man and once again, a young, innocent black man who's killed for no

Starting point is 00:08:09 reason in Minneapolis because the city refuses to actually be held accountable and show the ability to change. So I'm watching the video and why are they going to his place?

Starting point is 00:08:26 Did he have anything? Why are they at his place? So, and it wasn't his place. He was a guest at the place he was at, and so far the details have been sparse in terms of what's been released. But, Roland, what is overwhelmingly clear and has been confirmed by multiple law enforcement agencies, he was nowhere, in no fashion, considered to be a suspect or a subject of that warrant.

Starting point is 00:08:54 So one second. So the place that he was at, was that person a subject? Well, what we're being told at this point was that the warrant was being executed at the proper location, and there was no warrant to seize a person, Roland. That's what's even more outrageous about this. This was a no-knock warrant to seize property and put lives at danger to obtain property. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay. So, and y'all have seen the warrant? I'm aware of the contents of the warrant. Okay.

Starting point is 00:09:33 So, I'm just trying to walk through the facts here. I read one report that when they came in, Amir said that he had a gun. Is that true, yes or no? Is it true when they came, did Amir physically possess a gun at some point? He was startled from his sleep in a matter of seconds, touched his gun, never put his finger anywhere near the trigger. We've seen no video that suggests he ever pointed it at any officer or posed a threat with it. It was a young man who had no idea what was going on and was given only a matter of seconds and no opportunity to save his own life.

Starting point is 00:10:13 Now, is it also true that he had a permit for that gun? Yes. Yes. So he obtained a permit previously in the state of Texas where he lived and it's he was possessing that gun lawfully in the location he was

Starting point is 00:10:39 at in the private residence. So, Karen, your son is sleeping on a couch, blanket over his head. He's sleeping. He has a permit. He has a permit for a gun.

Starting point is 00:10:57 Door opens. Folks bust in yelling. The natural reaction... Look, I've never owned a gun, but I would think that the natural, I don't own a gun, but if somebody busts into my house, probably my first reaction is to grab something to protect myself from the folks who are busting in. If I'm asleep, I'm damn sure not hearing you yell, police, police, whatever they yelled. I mean, this has to be just, for you, shocking and devastating that it happened again in Minneapolis.

Starting point is 00:11:39 Yes, I'm actually in disbelief because I would have never imagined that. Normally I'm, you know, watching what's going on when it's involving other people, other families. But I would have never imagined that I would be sitting here discussing my son being murdered, being killed. I'm going to come back to the elements of this case, but for the purpose of our audience, just share with them, humanize your son. Who was he?

Starting point is 00:12:18 What did he do? Was he in college? What was he studying? Where was he working? Just share with some people, have an understanding that he's not just a hashtag, that he's a human being and actually people, what folks should know about him. Actually, Amir was wanting to become an entrepreneur. He worked, he did like Instacart. And he also, I helped him get his LLC to start a business. He was really into doing something for the youth as far as like a clothing brand line

Starting point is 00:12:59 that would cater to the youth. He wanted to get into buying property, real estate. He was really all about generational wealth. That was one of his goals that he wanted to do as far as, you know, with his family. Amir was kind-spirited. He could make you laugh. He was liked by and loved by practically everybody that came in contact with him. He was very respectful, well-mannered. He respected his elders because that's how we raised him and his older brother. He, whenever we would FaceTime, get off the phone,

Starting point is 00:13:50 he would always tell me that he loved me and I would tell him I loved him. The last time I spoke to my son was this past Friday. And he was just trying to, you know, do what he was supposed to do. Are you, where, Do you live in Minneapolis? Do you live elsewhere? Where are y'all from?

Starting point is 00:14:11 Actually, he's born and raised in Minnesota. I lived there for over 25 years, and I relocated two years ago to Dallas, Texas, and Amir came with me. So, you know, during that time, Amir had recently went back, but he was actually, you know, getting ready to come back. And then just different moves that we're talking about doing as far as me going to another location. So you still live in Dallas and... I'm in... Go ahead. I'm in Dallas currently. Right, you still live in Dallas and I'm in Dallas currently

Starting point is 00:14:48 You still live in Dallas and so he was in Minneapolis visiting friends or there for work? He has family there but he was also doing like the Instacart doing that type of work and he also did that work in Dallas

Starting point is 00:15:03 Gotcha Folks, the police chief work. And he also did that work in Dallas. Gotcha. Folks, the police chief and the mayor held a news conference. And Nakima Levy Armstrong, y'all are familiar with her. We've had her on the show numerous times when she was

Starting point is 00:15:19 leading the NAACP chapter there. She just got sick and tired of listening to what they had to say. Watch this. Chief Huffman, no, hold on, hold on. Chief Huffman, no, no, do not. Okay, I'm not a threat. I don't have a gun.

Starting point is 00:15:35 Okay, don't treat me like I'm a threat. This is what I would call the anatomy of a cover-up. This is unacceptable. I'm sorry. It is. When I agreed to work with you on the work group, we talked about the importance of transparency and accountability. And here, what we are seeing is business as usual. And you know this, Amelia. You know this, Jacob. I don't know how you guys slept that night. I couldn't sleep at night. Tears from a mother's perspective, thinking about what happened. I saw the picture

Starting point is 00:16:14 of a mirror. He looks like a boy. My son is 17 years old. He has slept on his friend's couches for sleepovers. So we cannot sit here and whitewash this and pretend that it's okay. You knew that I was not going to stand for police violence and a push for accountability, yet you asked me to be a part of the work group. And I knew what I thought I was signed up for. This isn't what I signed up for. I understand if you're not comfortable having me continue to co-chair, that's your prerogative. I signed up to help bring recommendations because we're tired of being killed. We're tired of the cover-ups. We're tired of the excuses. And to hide behind the St. Paul Police Department, the deadliest police force in the state of

Starting point is 00:16:56 Minnesota, is unacceptable. You all had no business agreeing to carry out a warrant, and now you're claiming that's part of their investigation. You don't know. Well, why the hell did you all sign up to do this in the first place? There was a homicide that happened at one something in the morning on Hennepin Avenue. Someone was killed and then the person drove away in a black SUV. They're still at large in Minneapolis, potentially a threat to residents. But you all go do something for St. Paul police, and now you're trying to hide behind that decision. It's not acceptable.

Starting point is 00:17:32 We are ready for change. When the people voted to reelect you, Jacob, they not only showed that they wanted to see a new leader, right? Not saying you're not the person who got reelected. You got reelected. But what they were expecting is a new beginning. That's why they gave you more power and authority. So that is what we want to see as the residents of Minneapolis. We don't want to see cover-ups. We don't want to see whitewashing. People are asking very simple questions that have still not been answered. Amelia, you're saying you want to be the chief, then act like it. Demonstrate integrity, don't cover up for what those cops did.

Starting point is 00:18:13 If they knew that the kid had a gun as he started waking up, say drop your weapon. They didn't do that. One cop opened fire and took the life of a child who was trying to go back into his blanket. Any mom can see what happened there. So I can't tolerate the whitewashing. I'm sorry, y'all. We can't do this. Nakima joins us right now.

Starting point is 00:18:35 Nakima, it's always good to have you. I hate to have to have you under these circumstances. You said in that video Minneapolis was helping St. Paul. Explain that, folks, because Minneapolis and St. Paul are two different cities. Yes, they are. When this incident initially happened, the chief of the Minneapolis Police Department put out a statement saying that the Minneapolis Police Department was executing a warrant on behalf of the St. Paul Police Department as a part of a homicide investigation. And today, the St. Paul Police Department is now trying to cover their butts. They put out

Starting point is 00:19:18 a statement claiming that they never asked the Minneapolis Police Department for a no-knock warrant. They said the Minneapolis Police Department insisted upon a no-knock warrant. And that's how all of this transpired. Interesting. Has there been any response from the Minneapolis Police Chief, the Minneapolis Mayor, to what St. Paul said? Has the St. Paul Mayor come out and said anything? There has been no response from the Minneapolis mayor, the St. Paul mayor, the Minneapolis police chief or the St. Paul police chief.

Starting point is 00:19:53 We still have a lot more questions than answers. From my perspective, it's very clear that a cover up is at work and they thought they were going to be able to get away with it because there was a young black man in possession of a firearm. But thank God for the family of Amir Locke, who could give us information about the fact that he was licensed to carry a firearm. He had his conceal and carry permit, and he was well within his Second Amendment rights to have a firearm on his possession. You mentioned being a part of the work group. There were a lot of things that took place after the death of George Floyd, but there were other shootings prior to George Floyd. So were no-knock warrants banned?

Starting point is 00:20:40 Were they stricken from the city of Minneapolis? What's the deal there? So in November of 2020, the Minneapolis Police Department and the mayor said that they had updated their no-knock warrant policy and essentially said that they were placing restrictions upon the use of no-knock warrants. Prior to that policy change, Minneapolis had conducted approximately 139 no-knock warrants in the city. There were folks who critiqued Minneapolis's proposal, saying that it still left too much discretion for police officers to use no-knock warrants in circumstances that were not like a hostage crisis or exigent circumstances. And we see that at play here. If there was a policy put in place in November of 2020

Starting point is 00:21:38 restricting the use of no-knock warrants, then why was it so easy for Minneapolis police officers to get a no-knock warrant in this situation? But again, they've tried to cover their tracks. They've tried to hide behind the St. Paul Police Department and the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension when they should be held accountable for providing information in this situation, and they should be held accountable for the police murder of Amir Locke. And I'm being very clear in calling this murder. Jeffrey, this is somewhat reminiscent of Louisville police. Breonna Taylor.

Starting point is 00:22:18 Cops come storming in. No knock warrant. Her boyfriend in possession of a weapon. Startled. Shocked shocked, begins to fire. Because one doesn't just sit there and think people are going to bust their door down. This is why activists who people criticize when they say defund the police, and they're not talking about get rid of cops, although there are people who say abolish police departments. What people are saying is you have to make changes because black folks are the ones who end up being killed by these actions. And you don't know what's on

Starting point is 00:22:56 the other side of that particular door. These cops are trained to shoot to kill, and then, oh, we'll just explain later. And watching that video is just a clear example of common sense says, if a person is sleeping in their domicile and somebody busts through the door, they're going to grab anything near them to protect them. And the way cops operate is if he reaches for, grabs a gun, or even hell, if he grabbed a cell phone to call 911, in their mind, oh,

Starting point is 00:23:34 that looked like a gun, and they're justified in shooting and killing. You're right, Roland, because they're going to try to make this sound like this was a split-second decision, and it wasn't. This was the culmination of many deliberate decisions that when they applied for the warrant, when the warrant was granted before it was executed, when they created the policies years ago, they had a number of deliberate steps that they could have taken to never have that officer there at that moment in time to then say, well, we're stuck making a split-second decision. No legal gun owner, Roland, who sleeps with their gun by their side, which many gun owners do, could have lived through that situation.

Starting point is 00:24:21 So we have to not ever allow the police in that situation. And we can do that through proper policies that we actually enforce. Because what do we usually see, Roland, that it happens to our black Americans, right, as opposed to white America? We don't see this happen in a lot of the neighborhoods in white America. We see it happen to our black brothers and sisters all the time. And in the comfort of City Hall, they could have stopped this from happening years ago if they would have actually enacted a policy

Starting point is 00:24:55 that worked and enforced it. I don't want to play the video because I don't want Ms. Wells to have to look at that right here. As I think about that video, if you're storming into an apartment, no taser.

Starting point is 00:25:15 No taser. They're walking in, guns blazing. If they walk in and someone's under a blanket and someone has a taser, you can fire that to actually stun them. No, they didn't do that. And this is, you're absolutely right. This is what we're going to keep, we're going to get used to hearing, oh, you know, it's a no-knock warrant.

Starting point is 00:25:38 We don't know what's on the other side of that door. And so, but to your point, they were supposed to be seeking property. That, Ms. Wells, is what is even more ridiculous, that if you had a warrant for property, why are you coming in guns blazing? And now you're having to deal with the grief in burying your child. I agree. Like I said, I'm in disbelief. I'm shocked that I'm even here. Nakima, your final point.

Starting point is 00:26:23 It's long overdue for a change to our system of policing in the city of Minneapolis. Black people are fed up with being brutalized by the police. We're fed up with police being allowed to kill people with impunity. We're fed up with elected officials making excuses to maintain the status quo. So we will continue to be vigilant, be out on the front lines, disrupting business as usual until we see the changes that we want to see. And we stand in solidarity with the family of Amir Locke, and we will do whatever it takes to get justice on his Thank you. Jeffrey, we appreciate it. Again, Ms. Wells, our condolences. And please extend them to Amir's father, Andre, as well.

Starting point is 00:27:10 Thank you. Thank you. We, um... People ask me all the time, they say... Matter of fact, let me... I'm not sure if I'm the only one who's asked this question. We, um... People ask me all the time, they say... Matter of fact, let me... Go back. When I was at TV One...

Starting point is 00:27:35 We, um... TV One was talking to the president of the network. He was white. And we're talking about subject matter on the show. And he says to me, well, seems like it's the same thing every day. And I said, yes, black people are being shot and killed and beat my police every single day. And he wanted me to do an explainer as to why we were doing the stories that we were doing. And I looked at him and I said, hell no, I'm not doing that.

Starting point is 00:28:37 I said, I don't need to explain to black people why we're doing these stories. You, you're white, you're looking for me to explain and I'm not doing it. And I said, why don't you worry about the other programming at TV One? And you leave the news to me. Oh, he was shocked by that that But I didn't care Because that's why I was managing editor

Starting point is 00:29:09 Of the show meaning I had final say so In editorial content And see folks will Say these things Well y'all always covering this stuff Yes because it keeps happening to us I can guarantee you that if there's a plethora

Starting point is 00:29:28 of white people being shot and killed by cops through no-knock warrants, oh, it's going to be on Fox News, ABC, CBS, NBC, CBS. I guarantee you that. Oh, it's going to be all on CNN. And so

Starting point is 00:29:44 we hate to have to do this. I hear people say, oh my God, this is like black porn. And I totally get that. I totally get people who say we should not keep showing these videos. But let me say this as I bring in my panel. If we do not provide a platform for the family of folks like Amir Locke, for their lawyers, for activists like Nekima Levy Armstrong, there is no guarantee that others will. And so it's our job to provide them a place to tell their story, to humanize their sons and daughters, but also to be able to galvanize you to keep putting pressure. Because see, it was a lot of people in America who were out in the streets across the United

Starting point is 00:30:53 States and all across the world for George Floyd. Where are those white folks today? And Latinos and Asian Americans, and Native Americans? There were folks who were conservative, there were people there, a lot of them were liberal and progressive. Oh, there were people in there who were queer,

Starting point is 00:31:16 who were same-sex loving, oh, and there were others who were heterosexual. Where y'all at? Because we still here, and still dealing with the same thing. Matt Manning is a civil rights attorney. Michael Imhotep is the host of the African History Network show. Akilah Bethea is a communications strategist. Matt, I want to start with you.

Starting point is 00:31:37 Watching that video, shocking, stunning, unbelievable, and all this brother was doing was trying to get some sleep. It was an execution. It was an execution. There's absolutely no basis for it. It's indefensible. And Ms. Wells' attorney was spot on. What they're going to start saying is this was a split-second decision,

Starting point is 00:32:07 exigency, all the normal BS that we hear. This is absolutely indefensible. He was asleep under a blanket waking up, and the officers didn't take the time to even ascertain if he was a threat. I imagine the city of Minneapolis is going to pay a hefty sum in this case because they're going to realize how indefensible it is. But what's so problematic about these cases is that it is so hard for plaintiffs in these cases to vindicate their very clearly violated constitutional rights. So this is more of a systemic issue, the way the courts deal with this in qualified immunity, because people are brutalized every day with no chance of recovery. And God willing, the Wells will have that here. But this is purely indefensible. There's nothing to say beyond that. And you know what?

Starting point is 00:32:50 Michael... I'm on the NRA's Twitter page right now. Mm-hmm. Y'all can't... I want to show y'all what the assholes at the NRA have on their page right now. And if y'all want to understand

Starting point is 00:33:17 how they only give a damn about the Second Amendment rights of white folks, this is what the NRA posted nine hours ago. Dear Joe Biden, let criminals walk. Same criminals commit more crimes. Come on, man.

Starting point is 00:33:36 A teen charged with shooting an NYPD cop. Then they had, oh! Then they had to retweet from the NRA women a tweet honoring Ida B. Wells Barnett. Oh, but let me help you all out. The NRA says she was an educator, journalist, and civil rights crusader. She was also an advocate of, and civil rights crusader. She was also an advocate of the use of firearms for self-defense.

Starting point is 00:34:15 She was an advocate for our firearms of self-defense because black folks were getting lynched. Exactly. Exactly. And I don't see a damn thing from the NRA. go back, nothing, nothing, saying, doggone shame, what happened to a law-abiding Second Amendment rights carrier. Nothing. I see nothing about Amir Locke. And they probably won't say anything about Amir Locke. This is one of the bullet points, one of the questions I have here on my notes.

Starting point is 00:34:49 Where are the Second Amendment people? Where's the NRA? Look how long it took the NRA to put out a statement when it came to Philando Castile, who had a concealed pistol license, who was legally carrying. And when you study the concealed pistol license laws in the state of Minnesota, where he was killed, he went above and beyond, because

Starting point is 00:35:10 based upon the state of Minnesota, if you have a CPL and you have your gun on you, you're not obligated to tell the police that you have your gun on you. He went above and beyond and told officers in Yan-Anas he had his piece on him, his pistol on him. So, you know, I looked at this as well. I looked at the reporting from NBC News and looked at the footage. This looks like an execution, number one. Number two, then this calls into question, Roland. Okay, so one of the first things I noticed is that they used the key to enter into the apartment, okay? And the reporting

Starting point is 00:35:48 said that the officers chose to use a key. So I'm just wondering, okay, so why did they choose to use a key to enter, number one? Number two, it's clear that Amir was under a blanket, probably asleep. He has a gun. Now, how are officers supposed to execute search warrants when they enter somebody's home and you have people who are legally owning guns? Because they don't know what's going on. You break in, and the first thing somebody is going to do is grab that gun, okay? So, and the other thing is, is that it's not clear that Amir was ordered to drop the gun. Now, you heard one officer say, show me your hands, but it's not clear he was ordered to drop the gun, which, once again, is really problematic

Starting point is 00:36:46 and the fault of the police as well. So this is a deep case. But I wonder when the Second Amendment people and the NRA going to start voicing their opinions. And then when you ask where the white people who were protesting for George Floyd, we can ask where the white women who were out there protesting for George Floyd, because you should be talking about the Voting Rights Bill, the Voting Rights Act, because that impacts you and your women's reproductive rights also. Kelly, again, this is the fundamental problem with these no-knock warrants. The person on the other side of the door is minding their business.

Starting point is 00:37:30 This is why you have got to be, if you're going to have this, you've got to be 100% sure and confident that you've got the right address and the right person. But here's the problem even with that. He's visiting if you if I had you Matt and Michael over to my home for dinner and we playing cards and I live in Virginia and Texas both of them right to carry states. And then we sitting here playing cards. And the cops bust in looking for me.

Starting point is 00:38:16 You carrying a gun. You startled. You like, hey, I don't know who busting through. You going to go for your gun. Then the cops kill you oh well sorry she just happened to be there or be executing this is the type of wrong

Starting point is 00:38:35 policing that goes on and then when people go man why y'all protesting exhibit 1468 so this doesn't even Exhibit 1468. So, this doesn't even look like policing to me at all. This looks like a modern-day state-sponsored lynching to me. Because it makes absolutely no sense that a split-second decision should result in someone's death. I really don't feel like killing someone should be a split-second decision should result in someone's death.

Starting point is 00:39:05 I really don't feel like killing someone should be a split-second decision when you have that much power that is state-sanctioned. When you're talking about no-knock warrants, I personally believe they should be unconstitutional. Because, again, these are police officers entering your domain with or without your permission. In this case, clearly without permission. On top of that, again, like you said, this wasn't even his home. He's visiting. So the fact that they did this

Starting point is 00:39:39 while he was sleeping, it just feels like he was killed because he was sleeping. And he reacted as a result of him waking up. And I'm frankly just tired of black skin being perceived as a threat. And you would think that this state, of all the states in the past two years, that Minnesota would know better, given George Floyd, given the other deaths that have happened in that state. And just for stats sake, nationwide in 2021, just last year, you know, 30 plus days ago, 15 days, that's how many days that police officers did not kill someone in the line of duty. 15 days out of 365 for 2021, that's how many days police officers did not kill somebody. So something is clearly wrong with the system when you are supposed to serve and protect when and all you're doing is seek killing and destroying communities in the line of duty. It is absolutely ridiculous. to cover this case, break down what goes on, what is happening there,

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Starting point is 00:43:04 This ain't the same story as a black woman in Texas who got five years, and they still trying to put the sister in prison. This is now in Tennessee. You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered right here on the Black Star Network. I'm sorry. Norske Kulturskapital On the next Get Wealthy, why black women are deeper in student loan debt than anyone else. I wanted to be the next Connie Chung. Nothing was going to get in my way. What was placed in front of me was a promissory note that said that, hey, if you sign this document, you can be able to achieve your dream.

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Starting point is 00:46:48 You know, first of all, Republicans have been doing their part to pass all these voter suppression bills, which we've been seeing lots of that happening. And one of the things in Tennessee, remember we covered the story where they were literally trying to criminalize folks who were registering those to vote? Yeah. Okay. And that was being fought by civil rights organizations. Now we have this incredible story that is unbelievable, shocking, and ridiculous. Pam Moses is going to spend the next six years

Starting point is 00:47:25 in jail, in prison. Why? Because she was found guilty of trying to illegally register to vote in 2019. Now, folks, Moore was permanently deemed ineligible to vote in Tennessee because of her 2015 tampering with evidence

Starting point is 00:47:40 conviction. But she only voted because of a mistake by the state's Department of Corrections. I know you may be saying, okay, this is wild, this is crazy. But we're going to unpack this here with attorney Dr. Bide Anyawu, hope I say that correctly, as well as activist Don Harrington,

Starting point is 00:48:06 the executive director of Free Hearts. Let's, okay, so that was a, there was a thread that I saw that was an unbelievable thread on Twitter where they laid out where a letter was even presented in court saying this was incorrect, this wasn't her fault. I mean, they laid out, anybody who reads, saw all these basic facts will conclude,

Starting point is 00:48:34 yo, it was a basic mistake, folks screwed up. The woman shouldn't be going to prison. What the hell happened? What happened here? Attorney, you can go ahead and start first. Well, thank you for having me. something that each time since the sentence was handed down I reflect on why did this happen?

Starting point is 00:49:15 Why was she sentenced? Why is she serving time on mistakes that were made by the Department of Corrections. Your opening says something about trying to illegally vote. No, she did not try to illegally vote. She tried to register to legitimize herself to get back into the voting record. That's basically what it's all about. And she did not falsify any document.

Starting point is 00:50:07 She went to the appropriate department. The department that is the keeper of records, corrections department, to verify that the time that was handed to her has expired. And that Department of Records hasify that her time has expired. She was slammed with falsification of documents. Not just that, the judge on the case, over time, stated that she tripped the probation department. Tripped. Tripped. So it calls to question how this judge is able to know what you and I are thinking as we speak right now. And where if that judge failed to know what you and I are thinking,

Starting point is 00:51:36 it caused to question why that judge should still be there as a judge. And where that judge is unable to also understand that the keeper of records is the Department of Corrections, it also calls to question why that judge should be there. I analogize it to going to a college campus, going to the president's office, asking for your transcript. Compare that to going to the board of trustees, going to get your transcript,

Starting point is 00:52:19 and then compare that to going to the registrar's office for your transcript. Which of the three offices is the keeper of the student's record? The registrar's office. And that is where she went. She went to the Department of Corrections, the keeper of her record. How many, how long she has served. And with that, she did everything humanly possible, legally,

Starting point is 00:52:54 to get her rights to vote restored. In order not to be disenfranchised. Rather, what she got was six years and a day. And that is, that is mind-boggling. I want to pull Don to this conversation. Don, it just, again, if anyone with a brain just followed what happened here, you had a series of mistakes that took place six years in prison.

Starting point is 00:53:27 I mean, the court, if you said the average cost to taxpayers is to incarcerate someone, let's say it's 25 grand in Tennessee, you're going to spend $150,000 of taxpayer money because somebody

Starting point is 00:53:43 tried to register to vote? Seriously? And you know what? The thing that we see in our work all the time, there are so many mistakes. The fact that the state

Starting point is 00:54:00 made a mistake on Pamela Moses' case, it's not an anomaly. With Free Hearts, we work with people all across the state, over 1,000 people in every single county with getting their voting rights back. And literally, it's a roll of the dice if the information that you're going to get is correct or if it's not going to be correct. Tennessee disenfranchises

Starting point is 00:54:25 over 450,000 people, and there's over 365,000 people who are off supervision and might be able to get their voting rights restored. But since 2016, only 3,400 people have been able to get their rights restored. And so this is voter suppression, and specifically about suppressing the Black vote. This was specifically in Pam Moses' case, very vindictive. The judge was extremely biased. And in comparison, one of our white formerly incarcerated sisters that's in our organization, when she tried to register to vote and she was not eligible, she received a letter that said, please be advised that your voting rights in Sullivan County, Tennessee, cannot be restored at this time for the reasons listed below. This is our first time seeing that someone actually getting criminalized for the mistakes that they make so often to the point we filed a lawsuit with Campaign Legal Center, Equal Justice Under the Law, Tennessee, NAACP, and Baker Donaldson. So, you know, this is very clear what we're talking about here in the same city that assassinated Martin Luther King.

Starting point is 00:55:50 And, you know, the governor really needs to grant her clemency and let her out because this is unacceptable. First of all, what is that? Biddy, what is that possibility? So what's your next legal step? What's next for you? She has some legal remedies. One of them is to file a motion for a new trial. The next one is perfecting her appeal by filing notice of appeal in her case,

Starting point is 00:56:29 assuming that the judge did not grant a motion for a new trial, and also an appeals bond so she can be out pending her appeal. But the judge denied that motion as well. So at this time, there are two motions that will be, one is to file a motion for a new trial, and if that is denied, is to file an appeal with the Tennessee Court of Criminal Appeals. Dawn, what's next for you and others there? Because this is just outrageous.

Starting point is 00:57:11 We're just going to keep fighting right now. We're raising money for Pam's legal defense and people can send money at Cash App P. Moses. We're also getting together a petition because while the other remedies are being worked on, the governor can actually grant her clemency.

Starting point is 00:57:36 And the petition is bit.ly forward slash free P. Moses. And we're just trying to raise awareness to as many people as we can and hopefully everybody is as outraged as we are because at the end of the day, she should never be incarcerated right now for the mistakes of the state. All right, folks.

Starting point is 00:58:00 We certainly appreciate both of you and hopefully the best happens and she doesn't have to spend time in prison as a result of this basic mistake. Thanks a lot. Thank you. This is the thing here, Kelly, that we're going to see this increase, especially with the Republican voter suppression bills that were passed. We're seeing the rejection of ballots in Georgia, in Texas, and places

Starting point is 00:58:25 along those lines. And so it's going to, it is going to happen. It's so interesting to me, and not that it was brought up in this particular segment, but there have been segments where people, at least in the comment section, talk about like, oh, our vote means nothing. It's not even that important. If it wasn't that important, they wouldn't be working this hard to steal it or to imprison, um, someone for trying to use that power. It is absolutely... uh, it's a shame.

Starting point is 00:58:57 It is an absolute shame that our vote, which is so political, is tied to our humanity, such that when you are out of prison, yes, you are a convicted felon, but you are still a human being who is living in this country, who still has to pay taxes, who still has to contribute to society in an upstanding manner. And yet the one thing that gives you power in this country, they take that away. That's... It's just inhumane. It is inhumane for you to tie our humanity

Starting point is 00:59:30 to something so political and then take that away. Because in essence, when you take away our vote, at least in this country, you are taking away our humanity because we're no longer a person counted. So the fact that she did everything she could to make sure that her

Starting point is 00:59:46 humanity counted and the state said, no, it doesn't. As a matter of fact, you're so inhuman that we're going to put you in jail for six years and a day just to remind you how inhuman you are. Think about how insidious that is. It makes no sense whatsoever. Before I go to Michael and Matt, again, I want to get the phone number. If you want to call in, folks, to weigh in on the stories we've covered thus far, please do so. The number to call is 202-890-1199, 202-890-1199. And remember, if you're a member of the Bring the Funk fan club, you get to speak and share your thoughts with us. Matt, on this here, again, six years in prison? Really?

Starting point is 01:00:30 Seriously? It's absurd. This is, again, I've got to use the word. If you've got white folks down in Florida who actually voted illegally for Donald Trump, you don't see. And then you've got Glenn

Starting point is 01:00:43 Youngkin's son who tried to vote twice in the wrong location in Virginia. Ah, it's just a basic mistake. And he's all good. Go ahead. Look, the word of the night is indefensible. That's all this is purely. And we know that if it were a white woman we were talking about, the outcome would be different. But the thing that boggles my mind about this case is that there were a number of steps where the state was not only wrong, but admitted to being wrong, and that those have a direct nexus to the mental state under which she

Starting point is 01:01:14 was prosecuted. So for those people out there, when you're prosecuted under an offense, right, they usually have a mental state. Here she was prosecuted for, quote, knowingly seeking to vote fraudulently. The reason we know that's problematic is because the state had told her she could do it in a certified document. So I looked at Tennessee's rule. It's Rule 13E on appeal. I don't see how this stands up on appeal, because from the mental state standpoint, she had every reason to believe she had a right to vote. The judge thinking that she was trying to trick some probation officer is ironic because that means the judge thinks the probation officer is too dumb to do his or her job correctly.

Starting point is 01:01:49 But as that relates to Ms. Moses, I don't know how you claim that she knowingly tried to vote illegally when the state itself told her that she could do so. So I'm optimistic that on appeal, the appeals court will find that this should not stand. Michael. Yeah, Roland, you know, this is some more nonsense right here. First of all, you have Tennessee officials who conceded that they made a series of mistakes concerning Pamela Moses' voting eligibility, number one. Number two, she said when she pled guilty in a case in 2015, she said, and it was a felony, she said no one ever told her that she could not vote, okay? Here you have a situation where she tried to register to vote, and she's getting six years in prison. But if we look at Nevada, Donald Kirk Hartle was received probation when he tried to vote twice.

Starting point is 01:02:54 Bruce Bartma and Robert Richard in Pennsylvania, they got caught voting twice as well. You've had cases where you had people like in Pennsylvania trying to vote for somebody who was dead, may have been a dead relative, something like that. And then in Ohio, Edward Snodgrass was jailed for just three days for voting twice. So we see a stark difference. We see almost like a death penalty when you have someone African-American who tries to register to vote. She didn't she didn't vote. who tries to register to vote. She didn't vote. She tried to register to vote, okay? And you have documented cases of white people, especially white men, voting for Trump twice,

Starting point is 01:03:37 and they're getting a slap on the wrist, okay? So hopefully she can win on appeal because this is, I mean, this is wrong. And then you have Tennessee officials that admit they made mistakes in this case also. Absolutely. I want to go to the phone lines. Gail Fordham from New York. Gail, what's on your mind? What are you doing?

Starting point is 01:03:57 I am calling in because I watch you every single day. I don't ever miss your program. Pretty Callie Michael. And I don't remember the young man that is the lawyer that's there. That's Matt. But Matt, I appreciate all of you. And I learned from you. I am 75 years old. And Roland, I've adopted you as my second son. So this is my learning school. And I don't answer no phone or nothing until I hear from you. I got a pen and paper, and I write everything down. I want to say to you, I love that you're on this show, and I support you 100%.

Starting point is 01:04:40 And as far as I'm concerned, I think what I really want to say is that everything that's happening, it is because of white fear. And I went back to school after I retired in 2009, and they called me the mama of the class, and we had a black history class and I was telling all of the students in the class history's repeating itself and this was in 2016. I said nothing is happening now that has not happened when I was 15 and 16 years old and now, I remember reading the book called, by Bruce Wright, called Black Robes, White Justice. That's just what's happening now. This whole judicial system needs to be torn down, because as far as they're concerned, we're still their property. And until we realize that we were not supposed to be a part of that Constitution, and we've got to fight for it until the day we die, hopefully we will get it right so that your

Starting point is 01:05:54 children and my son will have a chance. Because right now, we don't have a chance unless we fight. And everybody I meet, I tell them, you better vote. You got to vote. That's the only way I see that we have. And Kelly, you're absolutely right. 15 days, they shoot us in the back any way they can. And they will take us out of here and use an excuse of fear. Because as far as we're concerned concerned we're a threat to them because they are a recessive gene and i know you all know that

Starting point is 01:06:33 for what i have to say gail i appreciate you calling thank you so very much for watching thanks a lot okay bye-bye all right let's go to chandra whitley also in new york hey chandra chandra you're on the air. Every day, I live with the deaths of so many Black bodies murdered by police. Clifford Glover was 10 years old in 1973 in Queens, New York. My son was six years old. For Molly Graham, we just commemorated the 10th anniversary of his death, February 2nd, Groundhog Day, my children's godson's birthday.

Starting point is 01:07:27 And my heart is just so full. Going on to today, Amadou Diallo was killed by police February 1999, February 4th, today, the birthday of my daughter and godson. Trayvon Martin coming up February 26th, 10 years, my brother's birthday. Patrick Dorismont, March 16th, coming up, 22 years, my son's birthday. John Crawford III in Beaver Creek, Ohio, August 5th, 2014, my other brother's birthday. Dante Wright was killed on my grandmother's 30th anniversary. And now today I hear about Amir Locke two days ago. This is just heartbreaking. And I live with it.

Starting point is 01:08:23 I can't forget it. And I thank you for what you do. And I just want these families to know that they will live in my spirit and my heart until the day I die. And let's stop calling this stuff tragedies. They are not tragedies. They are travesties. And thank you. Sandra.

Starting point is 01:08:43 Have a good night. Sandra, we appreciate it. Thanks for calling. Have a good night. Chandra, we appreciate it. Thanks for calling. Have a good night. Thank you very much. Folks, we'll be taking more of your phone calls throughout the show. Going to go to a break right now. When we come back, we're going to talk about

Starting point is 01:08:54 the case out of Louisiana, the Ronald Green case. The governor acknowledged that he was notified a few hours after Green actually died at the hands of police. We'll talk with the state trooper who blew the whistle. They've now fired him as a result. Plus, we'll talk with the mother of Ronald Greene. You're watching Roller Martin Unfiltered right here on the Black Star Network. We'll talk with the state trooper who blew the whistle. They've now fired him as a result.

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Starting point is 01:11:03 We're all impacted by the culture, whether we know it or not. From politics to music and entertainment, it's a huge part of our lives. And we're going to talk about it every day right here on The Culture with me, Faraji Muhammad, only on the Black Star Network. I don't have to be what you want me to be. I'm free to be who I want to be. Boxing champion Muhammad Ali. Thank you. All right, folks. Breaking news out of North Carolina. Go to my computer, please. The North Carolina State Supreme Court, they have ruled unconstitutional.

Starting point is 01:12:29 The gerrymandered districts Republicans set in that particular state, they have ordered them to be redrawn. We keep telling y'all elections have consequences. Democrats hold a four to three majority on the state Supreme Court. That is the only reason that this decision actually came down. Democrats are actually finding success all across the country taking these Republican maps to the courts. And so again, in North Carolina, this is a piece right here from the newspaper there, again, where the Charlotte Observer, where the North Carolina Supreme Court, again, has ruled that the maps, gerrymandered maps the Republicans did to decrease the representation of Democrats in Congress, including the black representation, have ruled those to be unconstitutional and must be redrawn. And so that breaking news coming out of North Carolina. Folks, let's talk about the story out of Louisiana. We've been discussing this for quite some time,

Starting point is 01:13:36 and that is the case of Ronald Green, the black man who died at the hands of police. A massive cover-up. The Louisiana State Troopers have been lying left and right about exactly what took place in that particular case. This week, the governor actually announced that he was made aware of Ronald Green's death several hours after it happened, but he never talked about that on the campaign trail. Huh. Why is that?

Starting point is 01:14:06 Joining us right now is the mother of Ronald Green, Mona Harton. She's out of Florida. And also, Carl Cavalier, he is the whistleblower from Houma, Louisiana. We're going to hear about his case. Remember, they were trying to get him fired because he blew the whistle of misconduct. First, I want to start with you, Mona. There was a meeting yesterday. We were supposed to have you on yesterday,

Starting point is 01:14:28 but y'all were in meetings taking place with the governor and others. And so what was the outcome? What was discussed in that meeting? The meeting that you're talking about from the governor? Yes, yes, yes, in terms of the meetings that y'all were involved in on yesterday. The day before. Sorry, the day before. Was the governor? Yes, yeah. In terms of the meetings that y'all were involved in on yesterday. The day before. Sorry, the day before. Was the governor, yes.

Starting point is 01:14:50 Okay. As far as that goes, that was nothing but something for him to stick his head up and just, it was, it was fake. It was, it was, it was so fraudulent. The fact that he said that there, he, there was no part, he took no part of, of, uh, what happened to my son at the very beginning. And it wasn't until we pushed buttons that he started rearing his head up. And the fact that he did, how he did, almost three years later, it's just to save his own neck. It doesn't matter who he throws under the bus at this point. Did he give you any indication that he is going to be more aggressive in demanding answers from Louisiana State Police? I've not spoke to anyone. I'm sorry to interrupt. I've not spoke to anyone.

Starting point is 01:15:51 And as far as being, other than the fact that they've been in investigation, that's all we've been told from the very beginning. And even at the very beginning, we weren't told anything, anything. And if it wasn't for the fact that we have so many people behind the scenes that are willing to speak up, they're tired of what's going on. This wouldn't be made possible, I can't think, for all those that's been involved in this, because this needs to stop. This organized crime within the state of Louisiana, this has been going on for too long. And the sad part is, it's not just my son, it's many more. You used the right phrase there, organized crime in this state.

Starting point is 01:16:45 Carl, I want to bring you in. You blew the whistle on what was taking place. What has now been the outcome of the case, in your case? Well, in my case, first of all, I think you can tell from Ms. Mona's response how political this thing has become and how political it's been from the start for me, from my understanding, from my standpoint, the governor was forced. That response that the governor gave was forced. It was forced on behalf of the Black Caucus.

Starting point is 01:17:16 And that's not to say to pat the Black Caucus on the back, because my opinion is that this case got caught up into a political whirlwind and it still caught up in a political whirlwind on the end of the black caucus and the end of the governor because um throughout last year you could see the black members of the black caucus on a golf course with the governor the whole time miss mona myself and other people uh part of this case was screaming you know hey there's a cover hey, there's a cover-up, there's a cover-up, putting evidence out in the news, there's a cover-up, there's a cover-up. All of a sudden now, at this point, everyone is, you know, seem to be more involved now,

Starting point is 01:17:54 seem to want to speak up and speak out about something now because of these text messages coming forward about the governor. My thing is this, if— I don't understand why some members of the Black Caucus were so quick to jump out in front, you know, of the governor to the governor of defense and saying that, hey, you know, we need more evidence. We can't jump jump the gun on this. We need more evidence that just screen politics to me. And I understand, you know, politics are necessary as far as, you know, elections coming and then, you know, the redistricting and gerrymandering. I get all that. But a man died at the end of the day. But to answer your question, what's going on with my situation is that I filed an appeal. So I have to go through the process of trying to get my job back, trying to seek, you know, just some type of, I don't know, reparations for what they've done to me. So that's where I'm at with that.

Starting point is 01:18:54 So you've been officially fired by the Louisiana State Troopers? That's correct. And you're filing the appeal to get your job back? That's correct. See, that's the thing there, Mona. I mean, the reality is had Carl not come forward and blown the whistle, we wouldn't be here. They lied

Starting point is 01:19:12 in terms of how your son died. They tried to cover it up. They tried to destroy evidence. And you know what? A big salute to everyone. Carl, all the others. The list goes on and on. And I'm sure if retaliating and the intimidation, the intimidation was rough for me.

Starting point is 01:19:33 I could imagine how it is for fellows like Carl and all the others that have to work and walk amongst these crooks. How scary could that be? How evil to be among them. And the fact that they get away with so much undercover stuff, and they get away with it. For these whistleblowers to take that step forward, that's the bravest that I can even, I can't even imagine to live

Starting point is 01:20:08 amongst that. But yet still they still do it. And it's because of these few that do. If they would correct all that needs to be corrected, as far as fixing, gutting up this evil organization from the top down and back up to the top, that's a start. Because there's a lot of people who would come forward. I have no doubt about that. They shouldn't have to be treated so. Because in the end, these are state-paid employees. They're state-paid. They get state state paid through taxpayers' dollars. But the killings, is that state condoned? Because there's so many.

Starting point is 01:20:55 Carl, again, you have been quite outspoken. And I'm sure you've talked privately with other law enforcement officers, whether they're black or white. Are they just simply too afraid of saying something because they don't want to happen to them? What happened to you? That's exactly true. And the fact that state police knows that and they understand that. The last time I was on your show, I was just telling you that, you know, I don't know what's going to happen next, but I know state police is going to try to dirty my name and discredit me as much as they can. Well, they're doing a poor job at it, but they still had the authority. They still

Starting point is 01:21:30 had the position to fire me because they can, you know, they can do it if they want to. It's not right, but they can do it if they want. And I believe I'll get my job back on the back end. I'll win everything on the back end. But their whole goal is to make an example out of me, to make an example out of me so they wouldn't have anyone coming behind me to speak up and speak out about what's going on. Because I say all the time, what I'm doing should be a trend. It should be easy for officers to speak up and speak out. But it's not like that. I think it's going to get like that in the future. I think we'll run into some different times here in the future, especially if we could continue getting the support from the public like I've been receiving from, you know, random

Starting point is 01:22:11 people around the country and different countries as well. But I think we'll get back to we'll get to a better place where you have more officers like myself speaking out. But right now there's people speaking to me behind the scenes because they don't want that pressure for their family and they don't want to lose that paycheck that they have, you know? Mauna, what do you want folks to do next? You know, what is next in this case? You know, it's sad to say, but for the fact that the state of Louisiana, they're gathering around this governor, this beloved governor. They gather around him.

Starting point is 01:22:54 It's almost to where they, when they say they saw the video of my son being tortured, murdered by their troopers, it's like they might have been looking at it with fingers in their ears and their eyes closed. Because if they saw it the way it was for all to see, it's no way. It's no way that they could move forward. I mean, I understand it's political. It's evil. It's evil, it's nasty, but the thing is, the fact that all these political figures, in the almost three years I've seen those, and it's very few, that have stepped forward,

Starting point is 01:23:41 and I've seen those that have no integrity whatsoever. And the fact that they'll still rally behind Edwards and support him, and even as well as yesterday and the day before, step forward and continue to lie. But it's not a lie that will go far, because I'm not going to let it. Mona Harton, Carl Cavalier, I appreciate both of you joining us on Rollerball Unfiltered. Thank you. Michael, the thing about this case is, again, what do we always hear? Trust the police, you know what? They're doing their job.

Starting point is 01:24:25 Things are not as, you know, as bad. I'm sorry. These are Louisiana State Troopers. These are folks who are supposed to be above local law enforcement. They're the ones who are supposed to have more credibility. And so in the state of Louisiana, it's sort of like in Texas. You know, the Texas Rangers are supposed to be, you know, the state of Louisiana, it's sort of like in Texas. The Texas Rangers are supposed to be the best of the best.

Starting point is 01:24:47 Well, hell, if they're sitting here being racist, covering things up, destroying evidence, who the hell are you supposed to trust? It's a number of different things, Roland. You just brought up the Texas Rangers. The Texas Rangers started out as body hunters in 1936

Starting point is 01:25:07 who were hired by slave owners in Texas to go into Mexico and capture runaway slaves and bring them back to Texas. The police departments in America were born out of slave patrols. Well, I understand that. No, I'm just saying the basis of law enforcement in America was to round up black people.

Starting point is 01:25:27 Part of that, yeah. But when you talk about Texas specifically, that's how the Texas Rangers started. Okay. With this case here in Louisiana, and it's important to understand Louisiana is one of the poorest states in the country. They also have a prison called Angola Prison there in Louisiana as well. You know, I'm looking for more answers. I'm glad you have this whistleblower, Trooper Carl Cavalier, who was just fired January 31st, 2022.

Starting point is 01:25:57 And one of the glaring things here in the case is that the cops who are involved in this cover-up still have their jobs, but he's the whistleblower. He's doing the right thing. He gets fired. So now this looks like a case. Well, first of all, I think the state police in Louisiana probably need to be investigated by the Justice Department. Absolutely.

Starting point is 01:26:22 The feds. The feds. The feds. And do we know if there is – have the feds started an investigation specifically into this case? Don't know. Matter of fact, I'll actually reach out to someone, the DOJ, in a moment. Yeah. Okay. All right.

Starting point is 01:26:41 Thanks. Yeah, but this one, you know, the killing of Ronald Green took place three years ago. And we're still we're still trying to get answers on this to find out and hold people accountable. So but this is this is another example of how elections have consequences. Governor John Bill Edwards is doing a song and dance. And, you know, this is an example of how elections have consequences and why more of us who want to be the right type of officers, like a trooper cavalier, more of us have to apply to these departments and run these white supremacists out of these departments.

Starting point is 01:27:19 Matt, again, you're supposed to look to the best of the best. And when they're crooked, one of the fundamental problems in police departments is when they cover for one another. Exactly, which is precisely why I don't understand in this case, the state police department is still investigating the case and investigating itself. I mean, there's been demonstrable evidence that there's been a number of people involved in the cover-up. So I don't know how, I don't know that he did this in his press conference, and I may have missed this. I don't know how the governor doesn't immediately call for the FBI to come in and take over the entire investigation, both as it relates to Mr. Greene's death and also as it relates to the cover-up thereof. The fact that they're still

Starting point is 01:28:03 investigating it is absolutely absurd to me. And the fact that they decided to fire Mr. Cavalier when generally whistleblowing activity is an exception to an at-will state like Louisiana makes no sense to me. It's obvious that they're trying to just get him out. But I think Michael's point is spot on. How does he lose his job and these others keep theirs? I think the FBI needs to come in immediately, and hopefully your contact can shed some light on whether that's going to happen. Kelly? I mean, I echo the sentiments of everyone on the panel, but yet again, this is the second story in which we have a modern day state-sponsored lynching. And I won't go into all of the details because I know we're pressed for time, but the fact of

Starting point is 01:28:43 the matter is that they fired a whistleblower. And correct me if I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure we have, you know, nationwide protections against whistleblowers, specifically when it comes to retaliation against whistleblowers. So the fact that they were so bold as to fire someone who was trying to do the right thing within their ranks just shows you just how much of a crook, such as Green's mother just said, shows you just how much of a crook they are. For those who haven't already, I would encourage you to go online to look at the timeline

Starting point is 01:29:20 of this cover-up because it is extensive. It is extensive. And it is just so disheartening and disgusting, the fact that people out there wearing the uniform with the intention or supposed intention to protect and serve simply aren't doing their jobs. They're doing basically what their ancestors did before they were called police. To the phone lines, Otis folks from New York. Otis, what's on your mind? Okay. Hello. Otis, you want to be on? What's on your mind? Yeah. Yes. Thank you for taking my call. I'm ex-law enforcement, and I've been through some of the things that, you know, other law enforcement, black law enforcement have been through on the job. I say, like, Kaepernick, black law enforcement needs to take a knee. That's one thing. The other thing, qualified immunity should never be granted to a no-knock warrant.

Starting point is 01:30:37 If you feel that you can do a no-knock warrant, you should need qualified immunity. They use this qualified immunity in so many cases, and it shouldn't be. And until we start hitting them in the pocket, they're not going to do anything. They're not going to stop. And there's so many things that, you know, they're getting away with. You know, I hear people saying stuff like it's political. No, it's not political. It's so many things that, you know, they're getting away with. You know, I hear people saying stuff like it's political. No, it's not political. It's a crime.

Starting point is 01:31:28 Until we stop, start, until we start slapping liens, that might be through the common law on the courts, on the judges, on the agencies. You can't slap a lien on them. Well, I think the point that you're making, first of all, thanks for your phone call, the people have been saying that until police are personally liable, they're going to continue their reckless behavior. Yes, Definitely. And what I'm saying is what needs to be done is liens need to be slapped on those insurance companies that

Starting point is 01:31:52 insure them for qualified immunity. But that's also why you had the argument that you also get rid of qualified immunity, which they don't want to get rid of because that is the protection. Otis, I appreciate it. Thanks for your phone call. I appreciate it. Thank you so very much.

Starting point is 01:32:06 Let me go to Ray Fomby. Ray Fomby is in Georgia. Hey, Ray, what's on your mind? Ray? Ray, are you there? Hello, Ray Fomby. Okay, Ray's not there. Let's go to DMV, Mike Bullock.

Starting point is 01:32:26 Mike, what's on your mind? How you doing, Roland? Great. Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, I've been a supporter since week one, Bring the Funk of Your Show. You know, as we look at all these examples,

Starting point is 01:32:43 you know, the passion that you had in your monologue earlier about this, you know, I know you don't agree with this, but that's why I have said and I'll say it again, that when Warnock and Booker voted for Rahm Emanuel to be the ambassador of Japan in the middle of the night, that was an act of treason towards the black community. How so? One, because Rahm Emanuel, being the mayor of Chicago, he was the, he spearheaded the cover-up of that videotape. Yeah, of the Kwan McDonald. Okay. Exactly. He spearheaded that.

Starting point is 01:33:29 But how is a vote for Rahm Emanuel to be an ambassador of Japan treason against black America? Because Biden tried to nominate him for a secretary post, but he got a lot of backlash. No, actually, he didn't nominate him. There were reports that said that he was under consideration, but that wasn't the case. But what I'm still saying is, how is it treason against black people? Because when you look at all these examples, the video, he was the centerpiece of the cover of that. He shouldn't be serving. If he's serving anything, it should be a jail sentence. But here's the question.

Starting point is 01:34:17 But here's the question. But there were other Republicans and Democrats who also voted for him. Why are you singling those two out? They're the only two. Well, even Tim Scott voted no, but they're the only two black senators. That's why I pointed them out. They could have blocked it the same way Ron Paul maneuvers things

Starting point is 01:34:40 to block things in the Senate. They could have done something. Even if he would have gotten enough Republican votes, be a no on that. They get up on TV with their kente cloth and saying that they care about black issues and do something

Starting point is 01:34:55 like this, the last thing. Are we still going to get the part two of Dr. Lane Rowland? What part two? That was a part two when I had the doctors on the next day. No, he said that he was open to coming back. You know, when you mentioned that there were doctors that would agree with him.

Starting point is 01:35:19 But him coming back to say what? He's already said it's the first time. What's there to come back for? Well, I think it would be a it would add to the discussion if he would be on with the doctors that disagree with him.

Starting point is 01:35:36 I mean, that would be a healthy discussion, Roland, I think. Okay. I don't, but okay. I mean, he was on for a period of time, so he said he all had to say, so... Well, you seldom say that black people are not a monolithic. Well, black... No, actually, no, I don't seldom say that.

Starting point is 01:35:55 I actually say it. So we had him on. He shared his perspective. We had other doctors share their perspective, and we're going to have other doctors on sharing their perspective. There you go. I understand. Okay. I appreciate it, Mike. Thanks a lot.

Starting point is 01:36:08 Thank you. All right. Last call. Trina Hodges from D.C. Hey, Trina, how you doing? Hey, Roland. How you doing, sir? Doing great. Great. I'm calling in because I'm a supporter. I think you're doing what you're doing is absolutely phenomenal, is needed. And I'll ask and encourage everyone who's listening, please support Roland Martin Unfiltered. It's necessary. Black Star Network all day. I also want to talk about voting. Specifically, it's important to vote, but I would also encourage those who are listening to consider becoming poll workers because there's a big problem in a lot of urban cities, as we well know.

Starting point is 01:36:51 We're coming out about 18% when we're voting. That means 82% of us are not participating in the process. So I would encourage people to up our ante on the process of voting, but also consider becoming poll workers. A lot of people aren't familiar with the whole process of voting, and it is not really filling out your ballot and sticking it in the machine and then it's counted. It is a whole process afterwards of counting, verifying, and going on to the canvassing board and so on and so forth. I know this because I formerly worked with a department that was like that in urban city. And one of our biggest problems was having adequate support. We need people to come out who have expertise. You'll get a training session, but there are a lot of seniors that have committed

Starting point is 01:37:44 themselves. Seniors are the largest lot of seniors that have committed themselves. Seniors are the largest group of people that actually vote. We need the young people to come out and vote, but we also need young people to be a part of the process. And if you have the time and you want to be a part of this process and you really, truly want to understand what's going on with voting and how it really operates, please get involved. And one other thing I'd like to say, do as Dr. Carr said and continue to support Roland Martin Unfiltered. Put them coins together. Make this station one of the best that ever existed. All right.

Starting point is 01:38:15 We appreciate it. Trina, how it is. Thanks a lot. Okay. Bye. Thank you very much. You know, on that point there, Matt, about being poll workers, look, my parents, both will be 75 this year.

Starting point is 01:38:27 And they've worked the polls for a very long time, even when we were growing up. And unfortunately, you know, we saw this during COVID that a lot of our poll workers are in their 60s, 70s and 80s. And we do need younger folks and others. They've got my sister and her daughter. So there's three generations of our family working the polls. I mean, that is a part of civic responsibility. I think Sister Trina is right. I think it is a part of civic responsibility. Thank you to your family for doing that.

Starting point is 01:38:57 And I encourage everyone else who has the capacity and the time to do that, particularly here in the state of Texas, as we know that some of the laws that have been passed have been around the activity that happens at the polls. So we need people to be fastidious about making sure there's not crazy things going on at the polls. We know there will be, but we want to make sure that people we trust and people that are really committed to good civic engagement will be at the polls. So if you have the capacity and the means, please do that. Kelly, we also got to understand with these rules being changed, how they're also trying to target poll workers. You know what? If they're going to say that polling observers can be more aggressive in doing so, we need more

Starting point is 01:39:35 black folks to be poll observers. Absolutely. I actually wrote down, you know, figure out how to do that in D.C. so I can make sure that come this election cycle, I will be able to do my part and do that. But the caller was absolutely right. And it goes back to my point about why your vote is so important. If it wasn't so important, they wouldn't be working this hard to take it away. You just broke the news about North Carolina overturning the gerrymandering. There's a reason for that. There's a reason why there are so many laws on the books within the past year and a half that have been so restrictive in their language against voting, specifically people of color, even more specifically Black people voting. So if it wasn't so important, they wouldn't be fighting this hard to keep us out of the electoral process and the political process of

Starting point is 01:40:31 this country. So please keep that in mind when you talk about registering to vote and renewing your registration to vote and making sure that everything is updated. Go to your local board of elections website. Make sure everything is, you know, right and tight, P's and Q's, T's crossed, I's dotted, because we cannot afford to lose any more of our rights if we are still going to be considered citizens in this country. And Michael, look, midterm elections are taking place in November. Primaries are coming up soon. We better be real vigilant because people are going to be targeting black precincts. Absolutely. They're going to be targeting black precincts. They're going to be targeting Latino precincts.

Starting point is 01:41:13 We have to understand, in about 2019, there were 1,700 fewer polling places. And this is a direct result of Shelby County v. Holder 2013 U.S. Supreme Court case that gutted Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act. So, yes, we need to become poll workers. And becoming a poll—see, voting is just one part of the political process. Becoming a poll worker,

Starting point is 01:41:37 being on the voting boards, the county voting boards, things like this. The Republicans push that much more so than Democrats do. And what's taking place right now with Steve Bannon encouraging people to get on school boards and encouraging people to, you have Republicans encouraging people to be poll workers and things like this, they're getting entrenched to steal elections in 2022. So we have to be smarter than this and beat them at their own game. And I mean, this is life or death, this 2022 midterm election. And let me just wrap up with this. This is the first midterm election since an insurrection has happened since 1866. That was the year after the Civil War ended. So this is crucial.

Starting point is 01:42:29 Alright folks, gotta go to break. We come back. We're gonna talk the continuing fight against cancer. We'll talk to Dr. Hedayah Nicole Green next. We'll take more of your phone calls. Folks, give us a shout. Again, if you're a Bring the Funk fan club member, you get to call in and weigh in with your thoughts.

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Starting point is 01:45:57 Alright folks, today is World Cancer Day, a global initiative to educate and raise awareness about the disease and reduce preventable deaths. According to the World Health Organization, in 2020, cancer accounts for 10 million deaths worldwide. President Joe Biden reinvigorated his moonshot proposal when it comes to cutting cancer deaths in half. And so joining us right now is Dr. Hedaya Nicole Green. That's what I said.

Starting point is 01:46:24 I'm glad you ain't got that big old ass Delta pin you had on the other night. My Lord, y'all, she had a billboard on. Before we go there, I just want to take a moment to thank you and tell you a couple of things. What you want? Because when you had me on in 2015, when I first got the VA grant for a million dollars for my research that launched my career and after that the awards came rolling in from Ebony Power 100 the Route 100 to USA Today naming me as one of the 100 most aspiring women of the century along with Eleanor Roosevelt and Rosa Parks and I know know you weren't in the lab

Starting point is 01:47:05 with me, but you using your platform, your show at that time to elevate the work that I'm doing made a huge difference because scientists like me are usually hidden figures. And because of you, I am not a hidden figure. And I just want to publicly say thank you. And I know we have our friendship and we laugh and joke, but I didn't take that opportunity last time I was on. And I just want to publicly say thank you. And I know we have our friendship and we laugh and joke, but I didn't take that opportunity last time I was on. And I just want to say that this time, I just want to tell you how much I appreciate you always looking out for me and having my back and making sure that, you know, we keep our friendship intact. So I just want to publicly say thank you for your support, encouragement and for using your platform to elevate the work that I'm doing. Well, I appreciate that. It's always, of course, important for us to use our platform to do so. And I'm sure one day at your wedding, you I'll be saying congratulations to Farmers Only dot com.

Starting point is 01:48:00 Y'all, it's an inside joke. You know, I had to go ahead. I crack on you on that one. So, yeah, we, we always joking. I try to be nice. Oh, no, come on now. You knew I was going to bring up the FarmersOnly.com. Don't even try. You know this. So, let me say for the inside joke, if you want to help a sister out.

Starting point is 01:48:20 Y'all, she actually seems to be talking about how I was struggling dating, and she's like, I'm just a country girl. And I was like, yo, FarmersOnly.com, hook a country girl up. You finished? Are you done? Are you done? Oh, you know I had to mess with you. All right.

Starting point is 01:48:36 We're trying to talk about saving cancer patients. I am single, but my personal life is my personal life. Anybody interested, call Roland and give me a minute. This is a full-service show. It's a full-service show. Y'all call me. I'm going to run a background check, just letting y'all know. Good, good.

Starting point is 01:48:56 I know people. Go ahead. All right. Let's talk about President Biden this week, you know, brought back his moonshot cancer idea. Your thoughts about that? Okay, so I think the cancer moonshot initiative is amazing. If we can put a man on the moon, surely we should be able to cure cancer. Having 9, 10 million people a year die from cancer worldwide,

Starting point is 01:49:20 when we have the best technology, we have the most state-of-the-art equipment, we are at the forefront of everything from cars to cell phones, why shouldn't we cure cancer? So I think the Moonshot initiative is noteworthy. My caution, my reservation, my lack of enthusiasm exists. And I would retract the word caution and say my lack of enthusiasm exists, because the first time when the moonshot was launched, I was so excited thinking, okay, when President Nixon in 1942 declared the war on cancer and started the National Cancer Institute, they had the same moonshot. They just didn't call it the Cancer Moonshot Initiative. So when President Obama

Starting point is 01:50:05 put President, now President Biden, in the position to oversee eradicating cancer, and it's not, I can't say, I'm not pointing fingers or blaming anything, but we already had a National Cancer Institute. And the same experts that have been using chemotherapy and radiation as the standard of care, those same experts were hired and solicited to bring forth this Cancer Moonshot Initiative. Well, they added immunotherapy, but it's still the same inside-the-box thinking that still causes nearly 9 million people a year to die from cancer because that technology, that approach is limited. And I'm not saying it doesn't work for some cancers, because it's very effective for early stage cancers, which is why early detection is important. It can save your life. If you get diagnosed with stage one, stage two breast to prostate cancer,

Starting point is 01:51:01 the current treatments that are available, you can go on to live another 20 or 30 years and die from something else. My vision, what I would like to see with the new cancer moonshot is diversity in the type of people who are on the panel, the type of people who determine what they will fund, the type of people who get funded. because it was very, it was, there was a serious lack of diversity the last time the Moonshot was launched. And there wasn't representation from HBCUs almost at all or the African-American community. There was very little diversity at all. But to take the same people, and not that the people at the National Cancer Institute aren't doing the best they know, but if you use the same box to address the same problem, you're going to get the same outcome. So unless they bring in fresh thoughts, fresh ideas that's outside of what we've already been doing, we're going to get the same outcome.

Starting point is 01:52:11 And I've been, since your show, I've been fundraising through my nonprofit, the Oralee Smith Cancer Research Foundation, to help offset the disparities that African-American scientists faced in getting research funded. It's not just me. It's literally a national problem that was brought out in the forefront during the Black Lives Matter movement by the head of the National Institutes of Health. There is a documented disparity in the funding of African-American scientists. So the Moonshot should be able to address that, especially for the technology I've developed that has already demonstrated complete elimination of human cancer after one treatment over the course of 15 days with no observable side effects, no chemotherapy, no radiation, and no surgery. So we have already developed technology and we're moving into clinical trials with limited funding when there

Starting point is 01:53:02 are people who have technology or treatments that aren't as effective that get funding. There is a huge disparity in funding. So I, like you, starting your own show, I started my own nonprofit so that I can allow people who feel as passionately about curing cancer as I do to fund my research without having to wait on everybody else to do something that we literally could do. How much? So your goal is what, 30 million? Yes. And where are you now?

Starting point is 01:53:34 Sadly, Roland, I'm at 2 million. And that's a good thing and a bad thing, because there have only been, before the Black Lives Matter movement, there were only 12 other African-American tech startup founders that raised $2 million or more. So I made history getting to this $2 million point, but it's still sad because we can't get started. It's not enough to start. And people always think, oh, I thought the celebrities were going to donate. I thought you would get government funding. And what about grants? And what about this? And the frustration is the people who get diagnosed with cancer, they come, can you help me? Can you take me in the back of the lab? We don't have the money to do an official, legitimate clinical trial.

Starting point is 01:54:19 So it's not that people don't know about what I'm doing. People assume that other people are going to fund me and they don't take the time to go to AuraLead.org and simply donate and become a monthly donor. And explain to people, explain to people as best that you can in layman's terms your research and what it has been able to accomplish. And then I'm going to go to questions from Michael Kelly and Matt.

Starting point is 01:54:44 Go. Okay, so my research in layman's terms is I'm zapping cancer. I'm using some new technology that causes us to be able to heat up that local area with lasers and extremely T90 tiny particles that allow us to provide a local killing of cancer at the site of the tumor. After one treatment we've demonstrated, published in peer-reviewed journals, been funded by the Department of Veteran Affairs,

Starting point is 01:55:16 we can kill cancer, human cancer, in mice. How'd I do, Roland? There you go. You didn't use that nano, Roland? There you go. You didn't use that nano, whatever the hell you did. Stop hating on nanoparticles, Roland. She came on show like,

Starting point is 01:55:31 well, you have these nanoparticles. I said, girl, just say small. Just say tiny. You like, you're a very intelligent man. You can learn a new word. Boo. I don't, this ain't, see, I'm gonna keep teaching you. You don't know. I don't keep teaching you. You don't know.

Starting point is 01:55:47 I'm going to keep teaching you. Like Joe Madison said, put it where the goats can get it. Put it where the goats can get it. Kelly, your question first. First of all, thank you for coming on the show. This has been very enlightening. I feel like I've seen your work pop up on my feed

Starting point is 01:56:07 several times. So I'm just, you know, excited to see what's going to happen with this. But my main question is, what do you think is taking so long in terms of government support, in terms of even private sector support? Is this a big pharma issue? Is this, you know, more political than anything or more racial than anything, given that a Black woman is heading this up? What do you think is the disconnect between you getting the funding you need and, frankly, us getting a cure for cancer? So I think that's an excellent question. Thank you for that. It's a great question, but it's difficult for me to answer, but I'll give you what people have said to me. People have literally said to me, if I were a white man, I would have had more funding than I

Starting point is 01:57:00 knew what to do with. I've had people tell me all kinds of horrible things from, it's because I wear my hair natural or because I have a country accent or because I went to an HBCU and not an Ivy League school and because I'm not sexually active. If I were putting out, I would have had the money already. Just the horrendous things that across the spectrum, people have said to me that may have some truth to them. Um, the other aspect, when I started my nonprofit, I wanted to be able to circumvent all the foolishness and shenanigans and shift the

Starting point is 01:57:41 power dynamic, usher in something independent of what everybody else could control and something that I can maintain control of. So with my nonprofit, it allows people who also share this belief that we can cure cancer if we can have satellites in outer space, tell whether a dime on the ground is face up or face down, and your watch can make a phone call now. Why can't we cure cancer? Why not? Like, what are we doing here? So when people support my nonprofit, we're not just supporting the idea of the hope of one day curing cancer. I've already developed the technology, and the funding that we're raising goes directly towards paying the cost of beginning and conducting human clinical trials. It's a tangible alternative to the other big cancer charities that exist. So when I put my

Starting point is 01:58:35 nonprofit out as an avenue, an opportunity for people to support actual research boots on the ground, you see me as the principal investigator, as the inventor, as the scientist from St. Louis, I'm us, right? So when people see me, they don't care that I have three degrees in physics, that I graduated with a 4.0 grade point average as a physics major. They don't care that I interned at NASA. They don't care that I interned at University of Rochester. They don't care that I calibrated lasers for the International Space Station. They don't care that I trained for five years at the Comprehensive Cancer Center. They don't care that I trained for a year in the Department of Pathology. They don't care about any of my credentials. They just look at me and say, no, you couldn't have done that. You don't

Starting point is 01:59:24 even look old enough to have done that. You don't even look old enough to have done that. You don't have enough gray hair. Your voice isn't deep enough. You need to have a male spokesperson to help you get this done. Show more cleavage. That'll help. I've had all kinds of things. But when people have the opportunity to level the playing field,

Starting point is 01:59:43 I'm still, in our own community, I'm still in our own community. I'm still met with skepticism of people saying, no, that's not true. You didn't do what you did. Like, you don't know. You don't know my life. Google me. Not trying to be arrogant at all, but people take one glance at me. And this is I'm the epitome of people judging the book by its cover and they declare, no, that's not true. And I know there's a lot of mistrust in the medical community. A lot of people, um, have residual emotions about being taken advantage of in the past. So it's, it's, I personally don't have any scandals or anything in my record that would cause someone to be skeptical, but sometimes it's, it's just pure ignorance because we in our

Starting point is 02:00:39 community don't usually see someone who looks like us, who has the same education as Albert Einstein. I'm literally one of the first African-American women in the country to earn a PhD in physics. So people look at me and don't even know what to do with me. And I appreciate Roland trying to help people see that I'm relatable, that I'm a human. And I didn't ask for this calling, this assignment in life. It came, but when people see what I'm doing, they immediately go to what they think is or is not possible. And they put those limitations or they assume somebody else is going to support instead of them chipping in $10 a month, $100 a month and helping because every dollar counts. When I was on Roland Martin in 2016, we put the call to action out and he posted that interview on his Facebook and it had more than 14 million views.

Starting point is 02:01:45 I'm not saying that to brag, but if every person who saw that and made comments and suggested that I ask Oprah and Tyler Perry, if I had $1 for everybody who saw that video and took time to write in and make suggestions, I would have had the money to do at least the first five or 10 patients in humans. So people think my little bit isn't enough. You need 10 million, you need 30 million. My $1 won't count. But the reality is there have been millions of people

Starting point is 02:02:17 seeing, liking, and sharing the memes about me being the first black woman to cure cancer or the first person to cure cancer. People have seeing the memes, but they're not understanding. I simply can't do this by myself. I need help. Michael. All right. Thanks, Dr. Hadiyah. Thanks for coming on. My question was, what are other, in addition to supporting you financially at oralee.org,

Starting point is 02:02:51 what are other ways that you need support? Do you need more media coverage? Do you need us to contact members of the Congressional Black Caucus? Yes. People need to donate because it takes money to do all this. But what are other ways? She said all of the above. All of the above.

Starting point is 02:03:07 I need help with marketing. I need help with fundraising. I need help with making phone calls. We have a volunteer team. People can sign up at oralead.org slash volunteer. And everything from literally A to Z, helping us create posts for social media, donating your birthday on Facebook, changing your Amazon to support a charity. And you can select the Oralee Smith Cancer Research Foundation as your charity of choice. When you shop, Amazon doesn't charge you any, but they will donate.

Starting point is 02:03:38 We have workplace employee matching programs everywhere from Boeing to Delta Airlines and IBM and Microsoft. So the spectrum of employee giving programs are available. If they're not at your job, you can ask and it's an easy process to set it up. We also are an official 501c3 nonprofit. So people can name us in their wills and their life insurance policies. They can gift us property, houses, cars, anything you can write off on your taxes. We are able to accept those types of gifts. And there are things where a personal introduction to some of the family offices, the trust, the home offices that where high potential high dollar donors keep their money and having people manage those funds, having personal introductions to open those doors. People assume I have this network. I spent seven years in the lab developing the technology.

Starting point is 02:04:40 And Roland was one of the only people who would invite me to events where there are people there who could support. But I don't I'm I'm a tech nerd. I was also Miss Alabama A&M University. I don't have a problem speaking to people, but having that exposure, having those introductions, having that opportunity to. Even introduce the Oralee Smith Cancer Research Foundation and having people know that this is an option for their charity of choice. And just to put a pin in this one point, people don't realize that Susan G. Komen and American Cancer Society combined raised over a billion dollars a year in charitable donations and sponsorships, a billion dollars a year in charitable donations and sponsorships. A billion dollars a year.

Starting point is 02:05:27 And for five years, I've been struggling to raise $10 and $30 million. Hold on. You said Susan G. Komen and what's the other one? American Cancer Society. Got it. And mostly up to today, all of our Black Greek letter organizations

Starting point is 02:05:44 in the D9 have been supporting these other major charities. And I've been meeting with them. They have agreed that they want to support. So if anyone is an earshot away from leadership in your Divine Nine organization, please call and encourage them to support the Oralee Smith Cancer Research Foundation, even with the support of the Divine Nine, with the support of our African-American professional organizations, from NSBE to the black MBAs, like all of the above, the black golfers, the black skiers. We could fund this in our community. Absolutely.

Starting point is 02:06:26 Matt. So first, Dr. Green, let me say, you know, Roland went to school way out there with the pigs and the cows and the horses. So I'm sure he knows a lot of country brothers. And if he hasn't introduced you, that's on him. Now, remember, I went to Texas A&M. So it's a whole bunch of country white guys. So I'm familiar with FarmersOnly.com.

Starting point is 02:06:47 So just letting you know, because you're right. Texas A&M, they know about livestock and agriculture. So I know a couple of country brothers. But see, I don't do that hookup stuff, because if it don't work out, then they mad at me. So I don't even do that. So I just like, hey, yo, what up? I don't introduce people, because I ain't having her cuss me out later. Like, Roland, why introduce me? Have you ever heard me cuss Roland?

Starting point is 02:07:12 Huh? If I introduce you to the wrong brother, you're going to cuss me out. Matt, ask your question. I couldn't I couldn't resist because I know where you went to school, way out in the boonies. Here's a question I have for you, Dr. Green. What have you found are disparities or issues with access for our community to cancer treatment, cancer in general? And what have you found is a successful way to make people understand how important your work is because you have literally cured cancer. So it makes no sense that you aren't having people just give you boatloads of money. So what have you found in our communities particularly are the disparities in terms of our access and also in terms of our willingness to give? So great question. So I'll start with the disparities to access and outcomes. For example, African-American women are more likely to get

Starting point is 02:08:08 diagnosed with breast cancer and sadly more likely to die from it. Same with African-American men are more likely to be diagnosed with prostate cancer and are more likely to die from it than our Caucasian counterparts. One of the things that I realized after news about my work started going viral is that members of our community feel very comfortable and safe coming to me, but they usually are in a position where they are desperate. They've been sent home and told there's nothing else we can do.

Starting point is 02:08:45 Part of the problem is we're not getting screened early enough. We're not exercising, keeping our diets. We're not being health conscious. We are unaware of the number of carcinogens in fast food and the products that we use, trying to be cute. We're not aware of how unhealthy some cleaning products are, how unhealthy our air is. Most people don't use an air purifier, even though they should. So there are a lot of things that we are doing, our grandmama's recipes that we inherited, that's part of our love language.

Starting point is 02:09:21 I do think food is the sixth love language, just side note. And I think that how we eat matters. And there is this thought process of eat to live. And a lot of people are doing the plant-based diets. And there's a lot of data behind how eating more colorful fruits and vegetables can help your body naturally fight off cancer. So starting with our diet to our levels of stress, stress has been scientifically documented to make cancer grow faster. So when you're dealing with people who are dealing with racism, dealing with higher levels of stress, all kinds of family drama, work drama,

Starting point is 02:10:02 life drama, traffic drama, just drama on top of drama. And we're in the middle of a pandemic. So that's also stress. So when you know stress is making your health worse and causing cancer to grow faster and you're not getting the checkups and you're not exercising, which also helps with stress, which also helps with cancer prevention, but you're not doing those things because you're too busy and you're working two jobs and all of these things, right? So our socioeconomic status puts us at a disadvantage. They can even document by zip code that in certain neighborhoods, your likelihood of surviving cancer drops drastically. So when we're looking at doctors having documentation that they think African-Americans have a higher

Starting point is 02:10:47 tolerance for pain than everybody else. We don't, but the average doctor thinks that. So one of the biggest ways to address health disparities is for us to find doctors who look like us. There's a documentation that African-American mothers have less death, less mortality when they go to an African-American OBGYN. So I'm not going to lay out any conspiracy theories. I don't believe in that. I try to give you guys fact-based information. The data shows that African Americans have a better outcome over

Starting point is 02:11:27 many health issues if you go to a doctor who looks like you. So that's one of the most tangible ways in all of the other diet exercise to improve our health disparities when it comes to cancer and all health conditions. I think the side part of that, people really aren't dying from stage one, stage two cancer, because that's very treatable with the current methods for treating cancer. Where we fall short is that we're not getting our regular checkups. We're not getting our mammograms at 40. We're not getting our prostate cancer exams at 40. We should be

Starting point is 02:12:12 getting them earlier because we saw with Chadwick Boseman, we don't need to wait until 50 to get screened for colon cancer. We don't need to wait until we're 50 and 55. For most of us, that's too late. So getting those screenings, the early detection will save us. It helps improve our health disparities. So what happens, though, most of us are so busy, we don't notice the car is not working until the wheel falls off. So by the time we go to the doctor and get diagnosed with cancer, we're stage three, stage four, and the current treatments don't work. So that brings me to when you ask what's interfering with our willingness to give. So there's a lot. We don't think ahead. We don't think about how can I help if cancer runs

Starting point is 02:13:00 in my family or I know I'm not leading a certain lifestyle or I like cigarettes or cigars and I'm doing things that could put me at a high risk for any type of cancer I'm eating a lot of red meat whatever it is and most people don't realize that genetic cancers are only responsible for about 15% of cancer cases. So all other cancer is preventable. Now, why people wait until, you know, the last minute to think about things? Most people in the African-American community don't have life insurance. We should, that would help us improve

Starting point is 02:13:39 our wealth generationally, but we don't set our families up to succeed. And most of us won't go to the doctor to get our annual checkup to save our lives when we know early detection can save your life. So when you ask why aren't people in our community donating when they are aware of what I've done, because they don't come to me until they need me. And when they need me, it's too late. And I haven't had the money to do what I need to, to go through the FDA to make a legitimate

Starting point is 02:14:11 clinical trial. Well, look, oralee.org, O-R-A-L-E-E dot O-R-G. And so I'm sitting here, I'm looking on the website, folks. This is the donate page. Y'all can actually go to that and check that out to donate. And so I have some other thoughts about donate. I'm gonna call you when the show's over. Cause you got, I mean, he's like, we gotta make it easier for folks to donate.

Starting point is 02:14:42 And I did send a text to three billionaires about your research. Thank you, Roland. As you were talking. Thank you. So one of them has already responded, so we'll see if the other two respond. So folks, as she said though,

Starting point is 02:15:02 it's not always about the folks with big money. Again, every dollar counts. And so everybody who's sitting here can, and then on your site, of course you got 50, 100, 250 other, but you can put in any amount of course in here. So folks, y'all can do one time. Hey, come on, come on, thank you.

Starting point is 02:15:20 Y'all can do one time, y'all can do monthly, you can do annually right here by donating. And so if I look. Go ahead. And attribute your support to. You can skip that. Some people want to donate under a specific group. But you don't have to.

Starting point is 02:15:36 You can skip that. And everything else should be straightforward. So let me shout out Mike V. I see you on YouTube. He just dropped $250 on your page. So there are 1,500 of you who are watching live right now on the YouTube channel. And then if I don't know how many on Facebook, Facebook actually has been throttling our numbers down.

Starting point is 02:16:00 They've been screwing us over. We got 1.3 million followers on Facebook, but they've been only letting about 300 folks watch. So there's 131 us over. We got 1.3 million followers on Facebook, but they've been only letting about 300 folks watch. There's 131 of y'all on Facebook. I told you they're screwing us. Plus people on the Blackside Network app. So here's the deal. Folks, if you're watching, I don't care

Starting point is 02:16:15 if you give a dollar. I don't care if you give a dollar. Every dollar counts. I tell y'all that by supporting this show. Every dollar counts. So please, you should do that. What I'm gonna do is, what I'm gonna do is, you know what, so I'll do this here.

Starting point is 02:16:32 So you know what, let me just do this here. So there are, so let's see here. There are, so 1,500 of you are on YouTube right now, and then 130 on Facebook, 1,500 of you are on YouTube right now, and then 130 on Facebook. There are several hundred of you who are on the Black Star Network app. And so y'all have 24 hours to give.

Starting point is 02:16:58 And so what I'll do is I'll match up to 5,000 of our fan base who gives. And so Doc, you got 24 hours. You got to tell me how many people. Thank you. So it's 8-17. So we came on by 8 o'clock. So 8 o'clock, I'm going to hit you at 8.01 p.m. tomorrow.

Starting point is 02:17:18 Okay. And I want to know how much you got. Okay. So how much you got in the last 24 hours, okay? Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Roland.

Starting point is 02:17:29 I appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. I appreciate it. Thank you so very much, folks. I've got Education Matters coming up next. Let me thank Matt, Michael, Matt, Michael, and Kelly as well. I don't want to hold you all over because I do want to get to this segment. I am going to take phone calls as well.

Starting point is 02:17:45 I appreciate all three of you all being on the show, joining the panel. Great conversation today. And so I will say, actually, I won't see you all next week because next Friday I'll be flying to Liberia. So I probably won't see you all until the last Friday in February. And so I'll be gone the next two Fridays because I'll be in Liberia covering the 200th Bicentennial. So I appreciate all three of y'all for being on the show. Let me go to a break.

Starting point is 02:18:12 I'll be back with Education Matters and taking your phone calls right here on Rolling Mark Unfiltered on the Blackstar Network. I'm sorry. ТРЕВОЖНАЯ МУЗЫКА Hi, I'm Dr. Jackie Hood-Martin, and I have a question for you. Ever feel as if your life is teetering and the weight and pressure of the world is consistently on your shoulders? Well, let me tell you, living a balanced life isn't easy. Join me each Tuesday on Black Star Network for a balanced life with Dr. Jackie. We'll laugh together, cry together, pull ourselves together, and cheer each other on. So join me for new shows each Tuesday

Starting point is 02:19:45 on Black Star Network, A Balanced Life with Dr. Jackie. Hey, I'm Cupid, the maker of the Cupid Shuffle and the Wham Dance. What's going on? This is Tobias Trevelyan. And if you're ready, you are listening to and you are watching Roland Martin, Unfiltered. Montessori schools are an increasing option for a lot of people.

Starting point is 02:20:36 Ata'aize Sabeda is a co-founder of the Black Montessori Education Fund, and we're seeing this take place. My brother and his wife had their children in a Montessori school. Doc, how you doing? Hey, brother. I'm even more blessed to be with you. I'm rolling with rolling. Indeed, indeed.

Starting point is 02:20:52 So what is it about Montessori schools? We hear that phrase, that name, Montessori schools. What the heck is a Montessori school? No, that is a great question. And, you know, I thank God to be here to just talk a little bit about this, you know, because one, we need to realize that within public education writ large, there's a huge problem. Our babies are suffering in traditional public education. Locally, I'm here, you know, in the DMV, D.C., Maryland, Virginia area,

Starting point is 02:21:22 and I literally just saw a report talking about Baltimore High School, Patterson High School, 480 high school students were assessed on reading, and the majority of them were reading on an elementary level. In fact, 43 percent of them were reading on a K-12, I mean, excuse me, kindergarten to second grade level. And the picture is like that also on a national level, where according to NAEP, the National Assessment of Educational Progress, it's called the, uh, Nation's Report Card, it demonstrated that eighth grade Black students,

Starting point is 02:21:57 on average, the majority of them are reading at a below basic reading level. And so what we need is a, and that was a 2019 report before the pandemic. So our babies are suffering in traditional education. So we need something innovative, something new. Montessori education has been around for over a hundred years and a simple way to understand Montessori education, it's common sense education. It is a developmental learning system that follows the natural human development of the whole child. And so it particularly is focusing upon helping to improve a child's independence, improve a child's

Starting point is 02:22:41 self-initiative, improve a child's high executive functioning, and it has demonstrated to produce some astounding leaders around the world. However, poverty, or not poverty, but wealth or lack of access has often kept Montessori education away from Black children. And so when you talk about the wholeness of the child, you know, is it that they don't focus on memorizing,

Starting point is 02:23:13 taking a test? Is that the key? So Montessori education, when I say whole child, I mean, I've been in Montessori environments. They have activities that are helping to boost their smelling ability, kinesthetic learning. They have things that focus on their, definitely their academic. Dr. Montessori, who is a, you know, Italian, the first Italian physician coming out of Italy, she actually even talks of developing the child spiritually. So not only social,

Starting point is 02:23:42 emotionally, spiritually, intellectually, kinesthetically, so holistic education that really, again, puts the child in the driver's seat of their educational process. All right. So how many of these schools are there in the country? How many are run by African-Americans? So I'm not sure if I can give you a number exactly for the number of schools in the United States. I work with the Association of Montessori International, AMI-USA, and we have about 200 schools who are members of our association. But I would, you know, dare say there are thousands of Montessori schools around the country. However, there aren't as many Black Montessori schools around the country. However, there aren't as many Black Montessori schools. And so that's what the whole effort of the Black Montessori Education Fund is, to go ahead and help

Starting point is 02:24:33 to increase the number of Black adults who are Montessori teachers, to increase the number of Black Montessori schools, to increase the number of our babies who are able to be afforded this high-quality, high-powered, holistic educational process. And in fact, to your point, the increase in Montessori education in the public sector, there has been a huge surge. Here I'm in D.C., there are a number of Montessori public charter schools or other public sector Montessori schools. And so there has been a huge increase in the number of BIPOC, black, indigenous, people of color, Montessorian children. However, there aren't that many black Montessori teachers. So they don't have so many teachers that look like them. And we are trying with the Black Montessori Education Fund to have more Black Montessori

Starting point is 02:25:28 teachers, more Black Montessori schools, more Black children in Montessori environments. All right. Then how can people get more information and reach out to you or the fund? Yeah, they can check us out at the BlackMontessoriEorieducationfund.org. That's blackmontessorieducationfund.org. And what I also want to say, Brother Roland, is for this year, my organization, AMI-USA, is actually doing to have the Honorable Marcus Garvey exonerated by President Biden because he was unjustly imprisoned almost 100 years ago. And so again,

Starting point is 02:26:14 engaging our children in holistic education to transform education before our eyes. All right, Danny. Certainly appreciate it. Thanks a lot. You keep up the great work, brother. Yes, sir. You the same. All right, folks. Let appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Keep up the great work, brother. Yes, sir. You the same.

Starting point is 02:26:26 All right, folks. Let's get to the phone calls. Linda Williams calling from Sacramento, California. Hey, Linda. So here's what I'm going to do. Each caller, y'all got 60 seconds. I'm putting you on the clock because there's about 20 of y'all waiting, and I want to get y'all phone calls in.

Starting point is 02:26:39 And so let me go ahead. I'm going to hit the stopwatch and get everybody going. Linda, go. Yeah. Hey, Roland. The white watching of black America on every level in society. That's what I call it. We are the only minority group going into 2050 that will always fight back against white supremacy and racial and social injustice. So the white power structure knows that. So they are going to make sure that they whitewash Black America by any means necessary, by murdering us legally, that's police violence, by continually putting guns in our community. And I think 45 did a good job of that.

Starting point is 02:27:26 The deflection, critical race theory, council culture, and keeping Black labor silenced, professional sports and entertainment by paying them to be quiet. And lastly, Roland, my cousin, Reverend Albert Lucas of Good Hope Missionary Baptist Church, was the mentor of Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. Thurgood Marshall said one of his proudest moments was the landmark case, Smith v. Allwright, 1321, 2S, 625, 1944, authorizing voting rights for all primaries across the South. Okay. That exactly is what is happening with the

Starting point is 02:28:10 white watching of voting rights. Thank you. Got it. Linda, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot for calling. Linda, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot for calling in, okay? Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. My next call is Kevin Vaughn, Kennesaw, Georgia. All right, Kevin. I'm going to hold each one of y'all to 60 seconds. I appreciate it. All right, my next call, Kevin Vaughn, Kennesaw, Georgia.

Starting point is 02:28:25 All right, Kevin, I'm going to hold each one of y'all to 60 seconds. Kevin, go. Oh, thank you so much, Roland. First of all, thank you so much, man, for all you do, man. You're a brilliant brother. Your staff is awesome. I want to thank you for the education and the knowledge you've been putting out. But I want to just encourage everybody to continue to read, research, and pay attention.

Starting point is 02:28:46 That comes from my pastor, Roland, so I'm excited about that, man. So thank you so much for all you do, man. Brilliant system. Congratulations on the Black Star Network and everything else you're doing around the country and around the globe. Safe travels, man, when you move across the land. And keep doing what you do, man. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Starting point is 02:29:02 Thank you so very much. Thanks a lot. Kevin, be sure to call again. Let's go to Dallas, Texas. Marcus Goodner. Marcus, you're on the clock. How you doing? Roland, how you doing? Doing great. On March the 1st, we vote in District 30 for U.S. Congress.

Starting point is 02:29:30 In fact, your Texas primaries are on March 30th. That's what you mean? Right. Yes, go ahead. Right. And so they're voting to replace Eddie Benitez Johnson. And so I'm calling on behalf of a friend of mine, Dr. Keisha Williams-Langford, and I just wanted, you know, I would like to, well, I wanted to know if it was possible if you could bring on a show to interview her concerning her, you know.

Starting point is 02:29:59 Possible. I'm looking at it as a whole bunch of candidates who are running, so if you have one on, you've got to have all of them on. But I'm looking at that as a whole bunch of candidates who are running. So if you have one on, you've got to have all of them on. But I'm looking at that right now, okay? Okay. All right. I appreciate it, Marcus. Thanks a bunch.

Starting point is 02:30:12 Be sure to call again. Thank you, sir. Let's go to Kenneth Ramsey, Sumter, South Carolina. Hey, Kenneth, you're on Roland Martin, unfiltered on the Black Star Network. You're on the clock. Hey, Roland. Boy, you are thorough. and unfiltered on the Black Star Network. You're on the clock. Hey, how's it going, boy? You are the awesome guy, you know.

Starting point is 02:30:31 Lord, you tell it like it is. You are the black people for the people. Lord, thank you people. Thank you. Thank you for listening to you. You are the Martin Luther King of this time. Thank you. I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

Starting point is 02:30:59 Kenneth Ramsey, thanks for your support. I've been a member of the Bring the Funk fan club, and be sure to call again. Louis Lyon calling from Baltimore, Maryland. Louis, you're on. Rolling Mark, down the field from the Black Star Network. You're on the clock. Go.

Starting point is 02:31:14 Hi. How you doing, old world? Doing great. Nice name, Lyon, but okay. I just wanted to sit there and say I've been a fan of yours since 2012. I wanted to get deeper into the stories, but I'm on the clock. Just wanted to sit there and say thank you for having this show. I've been a fan since then, and I'm going to continue to be a fan from here on out. And also, our social media network, MelanatedPeople.net.

Starting point is 02:31:49 MelanatedPeople.net. Okay. All right. We'll check it out. We'll check it. All right. Thanks very much. We'll check it out.

Starting point is 02:31:56 All right, Lewis, thanks a bunch. We appreciate you being a supporter of the show. Uh, all right, be sure to call back again. Let's go to Peoria, Arizona. Peoria, Arizona. Peoria, Arizona. Robin Thames. Hey, Robin. Hey, RoRo. How you doing? Hey, RoRo. How you doing? Doing great. Good,

Starting point is 02:32:12 good. Thank you for everything that you do. I love you, Roland. I love you. Appreciate it. Absolutely. And, you know, I'm new to here to Arizona. I've lived like in California, Colorado, Utah, but in the summertime, I'll have

Starting point is 02:32:28 my new Arizona license. I'll be able to vote again. I want to know how I can get rid of this lady, this cinema lady because I don't know nothing about her, but I don't like her. Well, keep in mind, she's not up for re-election until 2024. You got some time.

Starting point is 02:32:43 The key is, Mark Kelly is on the ballot in November, so you got some time. The key is Mark Kelly is on the ballot in November. So you got to focus on Mark Kelly because we got to keep Mark in. He's on the ballot in this November. Well, I'm going to get busy. I'm going to get to work because

Starting point is 02:33:00 I have my license and stuff renewed and everything. All right. Well, we look forward to you doing that. And keep it up, Robin. And hopefully we'll be in Arizona soon. Thanks a lot. All right, then.

Starting point is 02:33:14 Robin Thames, Peoria, Arizona. Let's go back to Georgia. Daryl Fun. Daryl Fun calling from Georgia. Daryl, you are on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Go. All right. I have two questions. First of all, thanks for the opportunity.

Starting point is 02:33:27 Have safe travel on your way to Liberia. My first question was, since January 6th, it's called an insurrection that former president can't run because of Amendment 14, Article 3 of the Constitution. So how do we pursue that? That's kind of my first question. I'm sorry, what do you mean? What do you mean?

Starting point is 02:33:45 Well, amendment 14, article three says that anyone who participates in an insurrection cannot hold, cannot run a whole, hold an office after that insurrection. Okay. That's what it says in the constitution. So it was just like, he can't technically run for president if he's accused of being a part of the insurrection,

Starting point is 02:34:05 correct? Let's see. Amendment 14, Section 3, you said accused. But does it say accused or does it say convicted? It doesn't say either. It says it takes part in an insurrection. That's what it was saying. All right.

Starting point is 02:34:22 I'll check it out and find out and ask our legal scholars. All right. And then my second question was, how do I formally submit a request for an interview for the black market segment of the show? You mean for a black business? Yes, for a black business. Just send an email to info at blackstarnetwork.com

Starting point is 02:34:45 or send it to info at rolandsmartin.com. Thank you very much. Okay. Have a great day, sir. I appreciate it, man. Thank you so very much. Let's go to Frank on the west side of Chicago. Frank, you're on Roland Martin Unfiltered.

Starting point is 02:35:00 You are on the clock. What's up? Hi, my brother, my brother. I've been wanting to speak to you for a long time. It's been a long time, but listen real quick. I just got two questions, too. You know what we did with this side with Jason Van Dyke, right? And federal charges. We want

Starting point is 02:35:13 to be part against him, right? Well, understand this. There's a Trumpster over there that's going to bring charges, but he's not going to bring no charges. Stop. Stop. When you say there's a Trumpster over it, what do you mean? A Trump appointee, he's going over our federal department,

Starting point is 02:35:29 out of 55, he's the only one left in place, thanks to Tammy Duckworth and Dick Durbin, petitioning Joe Biden not to remove him because of the sense of material. No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry, you're speaking of the U.S. attorney that's there, correct? Right. So the decision to bring... No, no, no, Right. So the decision to bring charges does not rest with that U.S. attorney.

Starting point is 02:35:50 That actually is reviewed and decided out of Washington, D.C., and the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division led by Kristen Clark. And was he appointed by Donald Trump? No, Kristen Clark was appointed by President Joe Biden, and she formerly was the president of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law and Officer of the Period on this show. Okay, Roland.

Starting point is 02:36:11 They gave us the wrong information here. They got us thinking that this was the only one that left in place that Donald Trump appointed, and he has authoritative authority, and he's been left in place to take the same stuff. He might be the U.S. attorney, but the decision to pursue charges will come out of DOJ in Washington might be the U.S. attorney, but the decision to pursue charges will come out of DOJ in Washington, not the U.S. attorney there in Illinois.

Starting point is 02:36:33 I'm glad I brought that up. Thank you, Roland. Thank you very much. The second question is, Roland, is the other death sentence, raising the death sentence, it's about do again, cover DOJ to stop that. What do you think about the progressives seeing how Joe Manchin played them? A whole range of decedent hostages without attaching

Starting point is 02:36:49 the build-back better and the John Lewis act to it. Well, first of all, thanks for your call. Bob Linus is here. Joe Manchin, look, it's tied 50-50. One person can kill any build, and unfortunately, that's the case. That's why we need people to actually go out

Starting point is 02:37:04 and build on that number in November and not lose the majority. That's what's key. I'm taking two more phone calls, three more phone calls. Again, you got 60 seconds each. Viola Hedgepath out of North Carolina. Viola, you on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network.

Starting point is 02:37:19 Go. Hi, Roland. Thank you for all you do. Can you hear me? Yeah, go. Yes, thank you for all you do. Can you hear me? Yeah, go. Yes, thank you for all you do. I was talking about the address again. And plus, I'm listening to your panel, but I see that it's gone. Is you going to have one day that we can call in and talk to your lawyer?

Starting point is 02:37:39 Yeah, well, actually, remember, lawyers, they don't give legal advice. They can't actually do that. But you can certainly ask them legal questions. But we're actually working and producing a legal show for that purpose. Okay? Okay. You asked for the address. If people want to mail in checks or money orders, it's P.O. Box 57196, Washington, D.C., 20037. 5-P.O. Box 57196, Washington, D.C., 20037. Thank you so very much for your phone call.

Starting point is 02:38:12 Sonia Little from Georgia. Sonia, you're on Roland Martin Unfiltered. You're on the clock. What's up? Hi, Roland. This is why I love and support you, because you bring on people that we can support, that helps the community, like Dr. Oralee Smith. Because once I seen her when you brought on, I said, this is a woman that I need to support, and I will continue to support, because she keeps sending me those emails like you.

Starting point is 02:38:42 I love you, man. You are doing it. And please, you make me, people like me, want to get out there and go do the polling and go do different things. I tell you, keep doing it. I love you. I appreciate it. I appreciate it as well. Thanks for your support. Thank you so very much.

Starting point is 02:39:00 And I'm sure Dr. Haddad, Nicole Green is gonna appreciate it as well. Last caller for today, Gregory Ware Ware calling from Ellenwood, Georgia. Gregory, you on Roland Martin Unfiltered. You're on the clock. What's up? Hey, Roland. Good to hear you. Look, I just wanted to add some food for thought. I got to cut my TV down. I'm concerned about all the police killings and all these kind of odd things that are happening. And I'm just wondering if the president or, you know, Justice Department can intercede and maybe call an emergency act to stop the police from entering your house while they investigate the possibility? Well, that's one of the reasons why folks wanted the George Floyd Justice Act to be passed, because it dealt with police reform. I know the White House is currently working on some

Starting point is 02:39:55 executive orders on that, but that's why we've got to make sure that gets passed, which means we got to look. You're there in Georgia? Ellenwood. Okay. So we got to make sure Raphael Warnock goes back into the United States Senate. Look, you're there in Georgia. Sorry, you're there in Georgia? Ellenwood. Okay, so we've got to make sure Raphael Warnock goes back into the United States Senate. The folks who are in North Carolina, we've got to put Sherry Beasley in the United States Senate. We've got to put in the right person in Pennsylvania, in Wisconsin, in Ohio, in Florida. That's how we change it, and so we've got to do the work.

Starting point is 02:40:24 All right? Okay. I appreciate it. Okay, thanks a lot. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. All right, folks, speaking of Georgia, Gregory and Travis McMichael have rescinded their guilty pleas ahead of their federal court cases, which will now begin on Monday. Juris selection in the federal hate crime trial against

Starting point is 02:40:39 the father and son, along with William Roddy Bryan, will start on Monday. The men were convicted on state murder charges in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery while he jogged in a South Georgia neighborhood in February 2020. And so, again, they turned down that plea bargain after the judge accepted their guilty plea,

Starting point is 02:40:59 but not the actual sentencing part. Folks, jobs data. New data shows a strong recovery in January. According to the Bureau of Labor stats, 467,000 jobs were added last month. Restaurants and bars added more than 100,000 jobs. Ooh, the people at Fox News, y'all, they weren't happy at all. This is what they were saying before the jobs report came out, which is why they trifling. So, Peter, how will the White House spin this? If it is true, as ADP, the paycheck cutter, is suggesting it could be a loss of 300,000 jobs, how is the White House going to put a happy face on that? If past is precedent, and usually at the White House it

Starting point is 02:41:42 is, he'll come out and he'll say this is just proof that people need to get vaccinated, and usually at the White House it is, he'll come out and he'll say this is just proof that people need to get vaccinated. And he'll say that they've still created more jobs in a year than any president ever, but that this is an extraordinary time because of COVID. And they want to just, and you know what, he'll probably also, if it goes the way that the last few of these things have gone, push for the Build Back Better plan because they use that as a catch-all. It's going to create jobs. It's going to lower inflation. That's the only way to get anything better.

Starting point is 02:42:11 So, Peter, what vaccine do you get for job loss? Yeah, I think it's in the trials still. Okay, good. Yeah, Pfizer's working on it. All right, Peter, thank you. They say because it's Omicron. Well, Fox was like, oh, we're going to lose $300,000. They were wrong by $767,000.

Starting point is 02:42:30 Remember they said, well, they're going to try to put a good face on it. Here's Biden's good face. ...is taking everything that COVID has to throw at us, and we've come back stronger. I'm pleased to report this morning, but many of you already know, that America's job machine is growing stronger than ever, fueling a strong recovery and opportunity for hardworking women and men all across this great country. America is back to work. Today,

Starting point is 02:42:57 we learned that in January, our economy created 467,000 jobs. But that's not all. We learned that job growth in November and December over last year was revised up by more than 700,000 jobs. On top of that, 400,000 jobs that previously — on top of the 400,000 that were previously reported. This morning's report caps off my first year as president. And over that period, our economy created 6.6 million jobs. Boy, Fox is really upset.

Starting point is 02:43:35 All right, folks, that is it for us. It's been a fantastic week. We appreciate all of you for watching. Sorry, I rarely go this long. I don't try to go past 8.30. But we had some fantastic guests. We wanted to get them in and get the phone calls in. So, I appreciate that. Also for the staff as well.

Starting point is 02:43:51 Thanks a lot. Alright, so here's the deal, y'all. I'm flying to Texas tomorrow. It's cold as hell. Icy in Dallas. But luckily, no ice in Houston. So, I'm going to H-Town to see my family. Monday, I'm going to be speaking at Grambling State University.

Starting point is 02:44:03 I'm actually going to be speaking when I'm live on the air. So I'm going to have a guest host on Monday. I'll see you guys back in the chair on Tuesday. Then we hit the Liberia on Friday. And so we got some fantastic stuff going. I'll explain more about that, of course, next week as well. I want to thank all of y'all who support the show. Don't forget, don't show the graphic. I'm just going to give the information.

Starting point is 02:44:22 If y'all want to send a check or a money order, give me the preview, please. I need the preview. I't forget, don't show the graphic. I'm just going to give the information. If y'all want to send a check or a money order, give me the preview, please. I need the preview. Thank you very much. PO Box 57196, Washington, D.C., 2037. If you want to support us, again,

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