#RolandMartinUnfiltered - More Trump Docs?Election Deniers running for office, Black Women’s Equal Pay, Covid, Kids & Vaccines

Episode Date: August 16, 2022

8.15.2022 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: More Trump Docs?Election Deniers running for office, Black Women’s Equal Pay, Covid, Kids & Vaccines There could be more documents Trump took from the White House. What does that mean to our national security? We'll explore that with Dr. Nola Haynes, a National Security and Foreign Policy Expert. Tomorrow is primary Tuesday. And many election deniers are running for office. Author of "The Long and Short of It Guide to the 2022 Midterms: The Radical Republicans," Reecie Colbert will join us to talk about the implications of these folks running for offices across the country,  including 14 gubernatorial races.  Senator Lindsay Graham thought he would get out of testifying in Georgia's election probe. Not!  A Texas county no longer has an elections department staff. They resigned over death threats and stalking. A Mississippi state trooper caught on video putting a handcuffed black man into a chokehold and wrestling him into the ground is cleared of any wrongdoing.  We'll also look at the impact of pay disparity on black women as Black Women's Equal Pay Day 2022 approaches. In today's Fit, Live Win Segment, the CDC relaxes its Covid guidelines. We are talking to a pediatrician who will give you some time on how you can keep your child safe in school.  Support RolandMartinUnfiltered and #BlackStarNetwork via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered PayPal ☛ https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered Venmo ☛https://venmo.com/rmunfiltered Zelle ☛ [e-mail] Annual or monthly recurring #BringTheFunk Fan Club membership via paypal ☛ https://rolandsmartin.com/rmu-paypal/ Download the #BlackStarNetwork app on iOS, AppleTV, Android, Android TV, Roku, FireTV, SamsungTV and XBox 👉🏾 http://www.blackstarnetwork.com #RolandMartinUnfiltered and the #BlackStarNetwork are news reporting platforms covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and I'm Erica Savage sitting in for the indelible Roland Martin tonight. Here's what's coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the Black Star Network. There could be more documents Trump took from the White House. Imagine that. What does that mean to our national security? We'll explore that with the incredible Dr. Nola Haynes,

a national security and foreign policy expert. Tomorrow is Primary Tuesday, and many election deniers are running for office. Number one best-selling Amazon author of the Long and Short of It Guide to the 2022 Midterms, The Radical Republicans, Reesey Colbert will join us to talk about the implication of these folks running for office

across the country, including 14 gubernatorial races. Senator Lindsey Graham thought that he would be get out of testifying in my home state of Georgia's election probe, Not happening. A Texas county no longer has an elections department staff. They resigned over death threats and stalking. And a Mississippi State trooper caught on video putting a handcuffed black man in a chokehold, wrestling him into a ditch, is cleared of any wrongdoing.

We'll also look at the impact of pay disparity as Black Women's Equal Pay Day approaches in 2022 with the incredible Dr. Avis Jones, the Weaver. And in today's Fit Live Win segment, the CDC relaxes its COVID guidelines. We are talking to a pediatrician who will give you some time on how you can keep your child safe in school. You already know what time it is, fam. It's time to bring the funk on

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He's broke, he's fresh, he's real the best You know he's Rollin' Martin Now Martin So we are still getting details about the FBI search of Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago home last week. There could be more documents. According to the New York Times, Trump wanted Merrick Garland, our Attorney General,

to know that he had been speaking with people around the country and that they were unhappy about the surge. Saying to Garland, the country is on fire. What can I do to reduce the heat? That was Trump's message that he conveyed to Attorney General Garland. The report also reveals that the Justice Department subpoenaed surveillance footage from Mar-a-Lago over a 60-day period, including views from outside of the storage room.

Since news broke of the FBI raid, armed Trump supporters have protested outside an FBI office in Phoenix, Arizona, and a gunman was killed after trying to breach an office in Cincinnati, Ohio, on last Thursday. We are so incredibly happy to have the wonderful Dr. Nola Haynes kicking off our six o'clock hour. Dr. Nola Haynes is a national security and foreign policy expert, as well as a political scientist here to break down all of this news we've gotten over the

weekend. Welcome, Dr. Nola. So glad to have you on World of Martin Unfiltered again. I'm happy to be here. I'm just trying to stop from sweating because my glasses keep sliding down my face. Girl, you like me. I just had to take mine right on off and just let them be in a position of rest. So you kicked off the hour on Friday breaking down more of what we saw in terms of what's been happening with Trump, these documents that were stored in his Mar-a-Lago residence. So today what I would like for you to do, because there was more reporting that was coming out over the weekend, if you could walk us through, there's been a lot of verbiage,

a lot of acronyms, which is very prominent, especially within federal government. If you could explain to the audience some of the things that they may have seen when reading and hearing a lot of these reports. We've seen classified, knowing what classified documents, but we've also seen TS, we've seen SCI, and we've seen the acronym SCIF, which we would call in federal government SCIF. Would you break that down for the audience and we can get more into what happened behind this discovery of these documents? Okay, so I will start with breaking down the classifications. So the three classifications that are most common are U, S, and T, S. So, unclassified, classified, and top secret. And in that top secret realm, where you're seeing SCI, that is basically compartmentalized information that you have to pretty much read in a SCIF, which is a very secure location

where you can't bring in your cell phones, you can't take any photos, you can't take any notes. It's information that is left in that particular location. And a SCIF can be not any place because it's a level of security that you need, but you can pretty much have SCIFs inside of places like Mar-a-Lago. And from what I understand, Donald Trump did have a SCIF built inside of Mar-a-Lago, which is a very secured area. So those are the three classifications. Thank you so much, because I know, you know, a lot of people have been seeing a lot of those acronyms floating around. And thank you for bringing us a little bit more clarity on what those are. Now, one of the things that was a bit concerning was that in 2021, he and his team were told to bring back documents because those documents need to go

into the presidential archives. 15 boxes were brought back. And so as we're learning now more and more is that the Department of Justice had been in continual contact with his team to say that we need for you to bring back remaining documents into our possessions so that those can be stored where they should be stored. Well, now what we're seeing is that there were some documents, but there still may be remaining documents,

and found out that on Saturday Saturday two members of Congress, Representative Carol Maloney, Representative Adam Schiff, requested the director of national intelligence to brief Congress on, quote, potential harm done to national security. Share with us how alarming that is that you have two leaders of House committees saying that, listen, we need a classified briefing to our members around what may have happened as a consequence of this former president having these secure level documents inside of his not only residence, but his golf club as well. Dr. Nola. Yes. I had to take those glasses off. Okay. So, yes, it is a really big deal. It is a really big deal to national security. It is a really big deal in terms of

protecting the legacy and legitimacy of the presidency. And it is a really big deal to our partners abroad. You know, so this has far-reaching consequences than just what's happening internally within the country. So in terms of why this is such a breach of national security is because anyone who's ever gone through a security clearance process, you understand how arduous that process is. And not only that, there is a level of orientation or documents that you have to sign that you understand the procedures. And not only that, they also tell you what the consequences are if you do not follow those directions. OK, so that's one part of it. folks, you know, who gets security clearance, I can't even imagine the level of layered security and the type of information that the president of the United States must get regarding secret,

top secret information. So that's one part of it. You know, this process is, it's not a simple process. It's no joke. And you have to pretty much sign on a dotted line to understand that you are getting sensitive information and that you understand how to handle that sensitive information. So what the Trump team is saying that some people in his camp are saying, well, the president has unilateral authority to declassify any documents. While that is true to some degree, we are talking about defense documents, okay? So when it comes to defense, when it comes to anything regarding especially weapons of mass destruction, that's a different level of security. And that's usually when the SCI,

the compartmentalized information that you read in the SCiff, that's where that typically, that type of information is typically read and, you know, kept within that location. So we're talking about a defense issue, and we're talking about potential espionage. And I want to be very clear about what that means and what it does not mean. Espionage doesn't necessarily mean that the former put this information with the intent to sell to a foreign enemy. That could be the case. We do not know that yet. But what it really means is that documents were taken when they were not supposed to be taken. So his team is saying that there was a standing order that any time documents were taken out of the White House and brought to Mar-a-Lago, that they were declassified. Now, the problem with that is, is process and procedure. Okay? So, while

the president does have authority to declassify information inside documents, there's process and there's procedure. And, also, Donald Trump was no longer the president after a certain date. So you just can't take documents out of the White House and retroactively say that they are declassified. These are sensitive documents pertaining to our defense and to other things. You know, more information has come out that there is information about intelligence personnel, which is incredibly dangerous. And some people are asking, why does the president have all this information about the French president? What was that information about? So it's the defense information that's of interest. It's information about

potentially unmasking intelligence officers. And then there's also some information about compromise against other leaders. So there are a lot of different buckets, but one really important thing that happened today was it was revealed that three of Donald Trump's passports were taken. That's big news because that says that the government believes that he's a flight risk. And that is something, you know, over the next couple of days, over the next couple of weeks, this is going to be a snowball that's going to grow and grow and metastasize. And I don't know what it's going to mean for this country. I don't know what it's going to mean for Donald Trump supporters. But I can tell you this, this country does not play when it comes to its national security. It does not play

when it comes to documents that belong to the United States of America, not one man. You said it, Dr. Nola. And as a former federal employee, I know how serious those security clearances are, that those officers that collect that information do a thorough combing. They go through finances. They go through family history. They ask you questions around if you have met with any foreign nationals. It is a very thorough vetting process. And to know that he had these documents stored, and, you know, we talked about earlier

how over the 60 days that were taken, this doesn't mean that Mar-a-Lago was only surveilled for 60 days, but the 60-day time period that you had Department of Justice officials looking at this footage, that they saw these documents being taken from one storage room to another. So you spoke to how the serious, the very serious nature

of what he has done. And then also that President Biden determined early on in his presidency that he no longer wanted for Donald Trump to continue to receive those national security briefings because he was not... He didn't have confidence in him receiving those briefings. If you could lastly then share with us, because you are also a foreign policy expert, that there are always issues that are happening with our partners and hostile governments around us.

I, you know, served as an emissary, and that trip was not something that I could talk about for well over two years. Could you talk about the grave danger that, just to be very honest, that our country could be in because of this very serious nature of mishandling of classified documents on a home resident's golf property of a private citizen who was a former president?

KAMALA HARRIS, Former President of the United States of America, Well, first and foremost, you know, the main concern, I hate to say Russia, Russia, Russia, but we all know that Donald Trump had a very cozy relationship with Putin, had a very cozy relationship with other dictators around the world who many might classify as our adversaries or even go as far as to say enemies. And so that in and of itself is worrying because we know publicly that Donald Trump not only, you know, decided to believe Vladimir Putin over his intelligence agencies in Helsinki when he was the president. He's given away classified information knowingly or unknowingly. He did it publicly. He's shown photos, maybe showing off. We don't know. But he has this tendency of not being very careful with sensitive information, coupled with him buddying up with these dictators who move in a very different way from the international relations, I have to put my glasses on. I can't see.

Especially in the international relations community. You know, one of the things that mean a great deal to us is something called rational actor theory. And so that theory says that an actor is always going to act in the best interest of their state, not necessarily in their own self-interest. And so one of the issues around Vladimir Putin invading Ukraine was why? Why on earth would Vladimir Putin do this? This is not in the interest, this is not in the best interest of his state. So I'm thinking, you know, connecting possible dots, what made Vladimir Putin feel as though he could do this, right? So one thing that was happening, especially after 1-6, a lot of people around the world thought that we were weakened as a nation, right? So that's one way of Vladimir Putin testing U.S.

strength, right? I think he's quite surprised that the Biden-Harris administration has been able not only to rally the global security community, but to keep it together, right? That has not happened since World War II. And I think people really need to understand the largeness of that accomplishment. So that's one thing. And then secondly, it's kind of like, did Vladimir Putin have information about, you know, the U.S. or other countries or something like that? Like, it's really a question of what motivated Vladimir Putin to do this. It makes no real sense, you know. I mean, there are a lot of theories out there floating out, you know,

floating out there about if you listen to a lot of Vladimir Putin's public statements, he's pretty much said, you know, that he's had ambitions of, you know, putting together the former USSR and like these ambitions of, you know, rebuilding the empire. So that's one part of it. That's part of his ideology. Right. But it's but strategically, strategically, this is still kind of a gray area. Like, what possessed this man to do this in 2022? So it's one of those things that I have been thinking through since all of this has happened. What does Vladimir Putin know? I'm not saying that he knows something, but it is very secure in this day and age where, you know, people are really focused on growing economies

and not necessarily, you know, military action that can possibly spark World War III. So it's just one of those things that I've been thinking a lot about. And I'm very curious about who knows what and what potentially could have happened to that information at a not so secure Mar-a-Lago. My, my, my. What a friend he has in Donald Trump. The incredible Dr. Nola Haynes, friend of the show, national security and foreign policy expert. Thank you so much for kicking off Roland Martin Unfiltered today. Thank you so much. All right. Now we are going to go to our panel.

We have a wonderful panel for today. Dr. Julianne Malvo, Dean of the College of Ethnic Studies, California State University, L.A. My home state, Georgia State Representative Renita Shannon and Xavier Pope, the owner and host of Suit Up News and the Pope Law Firm. Thank you all for joining on this wonderful Monday. So listen, we have again heard from Dr. Nola Haynes. She's a national security and foreign policy expert. I want to go to you first, Xavier, because you are our attorney here on this show. So with all of the news that has been breaking

over the weekend, hearing more, Dr. Nola just shared with us that Trump's passports, three of his passports were scooped up today. Hearing more about really the unsafe handling of these classified documents.

If you were an attorney on the staff of Donald Trump, what would be your biggest worry at this time? Well, I'd be first worried that I would potentially be setting myself up for some criminal inquiry into not being honest with the government because there are lawyers that sign off on stating that those documents had, all the documents had been turned over when they turned out they weren't, and that led to this particular rape.

So I'd be worried about my freedom, and Michael Cohen had to worry about that at some point. And also, I'd worry about being disbarred in terms of submitting false information to a tribunal in order to keep my law license. So I'd be worried. That would be number one. The second thing is I would be rushing to send Donald Trump my resignation from being his counsel, having lied to the federal government and putting my freedom in jeopardy. Absolutely. I mean, that written declaration that was turned over to the federal government and putting my freedom in jeopardy. Absolutely. I mean, that written declaration that was turned over to the Department of Justice

so brazenly, as you said, turned out to be false when there were more documents, 11 additional boxes of documents that were picked up as they continued to converse with that team is definitely something to be very worried about. You know, Dr. Malvoz, we continue to move through the Trump dump, as I have called it, you know, over the past week or so. One of the things that has been really interesting is the archiving piece. And, you know, you are a professor, you are a very thorough person,

that the archive department has said that, listen, these documents are very serious documents. All presidents have turned over those documents after their time in office. Are you so... I know that you're not surprised, because you're not a fan of Donald Trump. But what say you around the continued back-and-forth conversations that the Archive Department, the Department of Justice,

has had to have with Donald Trump and his advisory team to ensure that we get back documents that are owed to the government since he has been president? First of all, Erica, good to see you in the host chair. Good to see you. Thank you. This is my friend in D.C. But let me say that I'm not surprised at anything Donald Trump does.

But what he is doing, if I put my scholar's hat on, is he's robbing the scholars of the future on what happened on his watch. Now, if I were he, I would like to hide it, too, because he really doesn't have anything to be proud of. And you're right. I'm not a fan. It's not even that I'm not a fan. It's just that if anybody is a fan of that man, they need to have their head examined tomorrow. Shrinks are closed now, but they're open at 9 o'clock. But in any case, he's depriving historians and scholars of the knowledge that they need to dissect not only his administration,

but the context. People are going to want to look at what happened leading up to Ukraine. Of course, Ukraine happened under Biden's watch, but still, was there something that happened before that? That will be in those archives. We want to look at some of the other issues that will be in those archives. He's stealing from the people of the United States. These are not his personal documents. These are the United States government documents. And so from a scholarly perspective, many historians, whether they're Democrats or Republicans, have to be profoundly disappointed that this man has really robbed us. This is like shoplifted history, and it's unacceptable.

Oh, absolutely, Dr. Malvo. I love the way that you worded that. And, you know, we both, we all know that Donald Trump is really good at not taking care of his debts and stealing. Representative Shannon, good to have you on. And so as a person who serves as a legislator there at the Georgia State Capitol. You know, Dr. Nolan and I were talking about how you had two members of Congress that lead committees to say that, listen, it is urgent that we need to have

our members of Congress in a classified briefing to talk about potential harms and threats to this nation. As a person who is a legislator of a state that you oversee policy, you oversee the care of constituents? How worrying is that for you? YAMICHE ALCINDOR, Former U.S. Secretary of State for the United States of America, Well, I'm glad you thank you for having me, number one.

And I'm glad that you brought that up about those congresspeople going through the process to find out what is really going on, because I think that's why we're in this predicament, is that too many folks allowed Trump before he he was president, to sort of skip the process. As elected officials, we are subject to having to file personal finance disclosures on a yearly basis, which tells the public how we make our money, how much money we make, some information around debts and liabilities and dealings with companies. And if you remember, when Trump first ran, he refused to turn over his tax returns. And so because the process was not followed when he was a candidate and everybody sort of just moved on and the pressure for him to turn over his tax

returns went away, there's a lot of catching up that we have to do. And I'm glad that the members of Congress are looking into this, because we don't know what is the reason that he took classified documents. We don't know what is the reason that he took classified documents. We don't know what that reason is. He may have financial problems where he needs to sell information to operate now that he is a private citizen again. And so I'm glad that they are moving forward with doing the heavy lifting of figuring out exactly what is going on. Absolutely. He has over a billion in debt, $325 million in cash, but the math still ain't math-ing. So we're going to come back and continue on with our panel. We're going to

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and the fight to keep Congress blue weighs heavy on the Biden administration. With several election deniers on the ballot and clear signs that Trump may run again in 2024, the battle for democracy is being waged at the poll. CNN reports that GOP election deniers were on the ballot for 14 gubernatorial races and at least 10 states had candidates running for Secretary of State. A clear example of this is Arizona, where former TV news anchor Carrie Lake beat wealthy self-funder Karen Taylor Robson in the gubernatorial primaries,

despite Robson's support from Governor Ducey and former Vice President Mike Pence in actually putting in $15 million of her own coins. However, the author, the Amazon bestselling author of The Long and Short Guide, The Long and Short of It Guide to the 2022 Midterms to Radical Republicans, Recy Colbert, founder of Black Women Views, joins us now. Welcome, my friend. So glad to have you. I'm so honored to be here with you hosting, sis. You are doing a fabulous job. Thank you for having me. I so appreciate you. There is

no one better to talk to around people who are running for office. I love the guide, which people can go to Amazon. They can still pre-order now. It drops Thursday, August the 18th. So before we get to the long and short of it guide, let's talk a little bit about, we've got 84 days until the midterms. You don't only talk about the current administration, Biden-Harris administration, but you also talk about congressional races,

you cover those statewide races, and those local races as well. 84 days into the midterms, and the urgency of being more informed could not be more important, Recy, especially right now, because a lot of these candidates are really

ganging for power, and they actually have the potential to do real harm if they do get into office. So talk to us a little bit about what you're seeing in some of the races that you have been covering that are proving to be alarming if people do not get out and exercise the vote? Yeah. Well, you know, the reason why I decided to do the long and short of a guide to the 2022 midterms is because we are so inundated with information to the point that a lot of us, including myself sometimes, just check out of the conversation. And we figure like it's something that we'll handle later. And I think as a result of that, the Republicans are kind of getting a free pass to the midterms. A lot of the discussion is simply about the Democrats and what they are not

delivering about the sausage-making in Congress. And I really want to try to bring attention to just how radical these Republicans are. And so I cover 20 different races in the book. Now, the long and short of it is meaning that, you know, it's more so an in-depth look at seven races. These are gubernatorial and Senate races that are more competitive. And then I profile an additional 13 races that are just blurbs, because the point of the guide is to not be encyclopedic. Nobody wants to sit up there and read 300 pages or spend two weeks. So I've done all the research, over 80 hours of research, and I've put it into context to really shine a light on these candidates because, Erica, one of the things I noticed in my research is these Republicans are

really hiding a lot of their positions. If you go to their websites, there's no information on where they stand on things or what they plan to do beyond platitudes. But these are really extreme people, like you mentioned, election deniers. And on the issue of abortion, there are some really extreme platforms that people have, like, for instance, Doug Mastriano in Pennsylvania. He's a gubernatorial candidate. Not only is he an election denier, but he wants to ban abortion even when the mother's life is at stake. So women will die if he has his way, point blank in the period, and he becomes governor. So these are some of the extreme positions that I really want to highlight from these candidates. Yeah. And that's so important. I'm glad that you're not only you brought forward that their

election denial, but I mean, there are real reproductive implications in you so aggressively and welcomed aggressively cover black maternal health and what the Biden, especially B.P. Harris, has done around that issue to help black women who Senator Kennedy over in Louisiana and you cover him. Your guy has said that, well, black women don't count because they're really not people dying while having children or up to a year after they've had a baby. So thank you for lifting that. Going to some of these election deniers, you talk about some of the extreme views that they have received. Out in Arizona, you've got governors, senators, AG and secretary of state race candidates. They are bending the knee of Trump to Trump. And some of the things that they're doing and some of the things that they're saying, you got one candidate that was

actually out at 1-6, Mark Fincham, Secretary of State. We talk about those Secretary of State races. You're talking about a person who was the chief election officer over all elections. Talk to people why it's not, you know, there were people that were saying, well, you know, just vote down ballot. It does not matter at the top of the ticket. The entire ticket matters. But we're going to go through some of the importance of some of these. CNN has talked about there are 14 people who are GOP election deniers that are running in gubernatorial races, 10 people who are these election deniers that are running in these statewide elections. And in some states like Pennsylvania, I believe the governor can

appoint the secretary of state, which is dangerous when you've got election deniers and extreme candidates on the ballot. Talk to us on the importance of these races like secretary of state. And of course, these gubernatorial races that should really have people making sure that they pick up this guy so that they can get a real good look at who is really threatening democracy and their health care and access to care on the ballot. Yes, Erica, like you mentioned in my book, I talk about Doug Mastriano, who is the official gubernatorial candidate for the Republican nomination. In Pennsylvania, the secretary of state is appointed or selected by the governor. And he has already said that he will appoint somebody who has experience in overseeing elections. But we know, if we look at his history, this is what I discuss in the book, he signed on to several unsuccessful lawsuits suing over the election results. He was an

insurrectionist. He was physically at the January 6th rally. There's video evidence of him at the Capitol. He's been interviewed by the January 6th select committee. He does not believe in acknowledging the will of the people. He has said that he might certify the results. Basically basically if a Republican wins, then he'll do it. Otherwise he just might do it. So these are the kinds of things that I want people to understand. There are so many facets on which these Republican candidates are a threat. Then you have somebody like J.D. Vance, who is the U.S. Senate nominee. Now, the Senate is critical in terms of the 2022 midterms. And Ohio isn't as competitive as other states have been in the past, but that is a key area. Tim Ryan is polling really well there, where people should be paying

attention to somebody like J.D. Vance, who used to be a Trump critic, but now he's gone full Trumper in order to secure that nomination. And what's worse is, you know, he was one of those people where I just felt like I deserve hazard pay for just writing about him, because truly researching his his area was disgusting. He's one of the most vile candidates running. And that's a high bar considering how vile these Republicans are in general. I mean, this guy's flagrantly racist with a lot of the things that he says. He's the one who said, are you do you hate Mexicans? Are you racist? I'm your guy in And a campaign ad. And so a lot of attention goes to these moments, these viral moments that people have or these one-day stories. But these people have a very detrimental view, worldview and political view that is going to

do damage on every facet of our society if they gain power. Absolutely, Recy. And to be echoed more and more, if they gain power. I just want to read out those 10 states, because I know a lot of times, and I'm glad that you brought out what J.D. Vance said about do you hate Mexicans? That's pretty much a vote for him. When you're talking about these states where election deniers are running that are governor's races, and I listed them from North, went Midwest, and then I went to the Southwest. We've got Maine, New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, South Dakota, Idaho, Kansas, Arizona, and then we have Alabama. So it is not relegated to a specific region. These people have spread out across the country and

they will probably continue to populate. And then we go to the races for secretary of state, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Michigan, Minnesota, Indiana, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and then Alabama. This is not a regional. This is not a specific look. These are people of wealth.

These are people of prominence. These are people who, to your left, your right, they might be playing Renaissance right now. They might be playing Renaissance right now, they might be playing Beyonce, but they do not like Beyonce, they do not like us. Be very clear. So when you named it the Radical Republicans,

why was it necessary as an author to make sure that when you compiled this guide and that you titled it, that you did really kind of kid us strongly to let us know who you were exactly talking about. Well, you know, the thing about it is I think the media is so much on trying to be so-called balanced and trying to sanitize. We know that they love to rehabilitate the image of white supremacists and in particular Republicans. And I feel like in this horse race coverage that we have talking about elections, we tend to not really realize or recognize how radical the Republicans are. You know, if you listen to Republicans talk, it's always the far left,

the far left, the far left. And you don't often hear Democrats or people who are not, you know, Republican really acknowledge just how radical these Republicans are. You know, in addition to what you're talking about, election deniers, we know that the Republican Party is the party of voter suppression. When you have, as I talked about in the book, Brian Kemp, he's not an election denier. He actually did faithfully execute the results of the presidential results. But he alone disenfranchised the largest number of voters, over 500,000 voters, in a single night than any other person in history. That was according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution when that happened, when he was running for governor in the first place. And so every single one of the things that I do highlight throughout the book is where

these candidates stand when it comes to voting rights. And these are all, whether they're an election denier or not, not all of them are, they all have detrimental views in terms of gerrymandering, which is Ron DeSantis down in Texas, who with laser-like precision gerrymandered that state against the wishes of his own legislature and against what the original courts had directed him to do. And he said, who's going to check me? Well, and went forward with it anyway. Now they're stuck with it to disenfranchise black voters. And so the election denier part is like the sexy headline. But the reality is that these people do not want to see people like us have full citizenship and participation in this democracy.

That's the bigger issue. So whether people are playing a role or are kowtowing to Donald Trump to get his endorsement, which has proved to be very powerful in these primaries, we have to take the threat that they take to our citizenship very seriously. Absolutely, Recy. And watch our celebrity friends who also are because these same people, as Recy talked about with voter suppression, are also complicit in COVID disinformation and misinformation in general. So our panel, I'm going to open it up for you all to ask questions of Recy Colbert, Amazon bestselling author. I'll start with you, Representative Shannon. Well, Recy, I'm so excited to take a look at, to read your book. You always do great work.

I want to ask you, do you talk at all about what's going on here in Georgia with our Secretary of State's race? Because we've got Brad Raffensperger, who has been heralded by a lot of the country for having stood up to Trump. But as you just said, these are the same folks who would continue to do voter suppression. I always tell folks, having served on the Governmental Affairs Committee for

the last six years, and that committee deals with election law, that Brad Raffensperger was telling the big lie before the president was, which is that any election that Republicans don't win is completely ripe with voter fraud, and that's the reason that the election, that the results are illegitimate. So did you have any, did you have a chance to spend any time on Brad Raffensperger? Because we've got a very dangerous thing going on here in Georgia. We've got Democrats who are actually planning on voting for Brad Raffensperger, and right now he polls higher than any Democrat that was in our primary for secretary of state.

Well, I'll be honest. I did not cover him specifically, but I did spend a significant amount of time talking about Brian Kemp's role in voter suppression in terms of the voter suppressive bills that he passed in Georgia, as well as his work when he was secretary of state. So even though I didn't talk about Brad specifically, I definitely wanted people to understand just how much the Republican Party, and Brian Kemp in particular, does not want Black voters to vote. And he specifically said that if Democrats get people to vote through, like, automatic voter registration, if they turn out Black and brown voters, then they're going to have a problem. They cannot win elections. And so I'll be honest, the book is not a, it's not, it's not an issues like book in terms of like, these are the issues. And I tell anecdotes from around the country as it relates to each issue. This, this particular

version actually focuses on 20 candidates. And so these are governor candidates and these are Senate candidates that I chose to focus on in this one. But to your point, Representative Shannon, what's happening in Georgia is something that's not talked about enough. And I hope we will have more discussions about it after people really remind or get a reminder of how sinister Brian Kemp has been in terms of voter suppression. Dr. Malveaux. Thanks for your book. I'm looking forward to reading it also. Let's stay on Georgia, if we might, because the venality of these Republicans is startling to me. Herschel Walker was docked on his head when he was 11, and he's been overcome that ever since. But they have poured millions of dollars, even as he's revealed that he's had out-of-wedlock children that he denied, that he lied about.

I think he said he was a sheriff or something in the military, something. I mean, he wouldn't know the truth, you know, if it laid down with him. And so the question is, bring us up to speed on that. We know that the Republicans have no integrity. But what about him? What is wrong with him as a Black man who has just embraced everything that's wrong with the world? You know, I have a chapter on Herschel Walker, and there is a lot wrong with him. OK, let's just be very clear on that. You know, one of the major things is that he's just

fundamentally unserious in terms of his credentials and in terms of any plans that he has. I mean, his website is a complete joke. It's just nothing but platitudes. He doesn't do real interviews. He speaks in complete word salad, nonsensical things. I think he might have CTE. I didn't say that in my book, but I'm telling y'all, he might have like CTE for real. But one of the things that I wanted to do with the chapter I wrote on Herschel Walker is to put his past, the things that you said, in context. We know that he concealed the existence of three children. But I wanted to put that in context of the fact that he calls himself a pro family candidate, the fact that he has denigrated Black fathers in particular. He's apologized to

the Black community. Like, he's literally said, I apologize to the black community, because he characterizes black men as being absentee fathers. So what I wanted to do was I wanted to draw the dot, connect the dots and say, this person is a hypocrite for the way that he conducts himself. But he has very troubling views when it comes to abortion. He's a candidate that does not support abortion for any exceptions, including the life of a mother. So women will die, as well as rape and incest victims. He is on the extreme side when it comes to abortion rights. And so there's a lot wrong with him. And one of the things in my book, I call it Reesey speak, because I say in my introduction, I say up front, this is not a non, this is not an unbiased book. This is not

equal parts pro and con. We got enough of that. Nobody got time for that. You know, what I'm hoping is that people who, number one, want to just have a conversation about politics from somebody that they can trust, that they can walk away and be like, okay, I just talked to my smart homegirl about politics and she put me up on speed and now I can go and I can tell anybody what they need to know. Like, that's really the tone of the book. But Herschel Walker's chapter is kind of brutal. I don't like talking down about a black man. I wasn't trying to do that.

But Herschel Walker got some shit with him. And so that definitely comes out in this book in a number of ways. And Mr. Pope. Recy, thank you for your book. Thank you for spreading information to the public that they definitely need. Things have changed significantly since the primary season. We've had the January 6th committee hearings pick up, new revelations about that. And then we also have seen with the raid on Mar-a-Lago and maybe some

of the more damaging elements of that that's now started to maybe impact Donald Trump negatively. How is that going to maybe impact how some of the candidates that you've been watching potentially may behave in terms of claiming election fraud? And we've also seen some of the lawsuits that are coming out in terms of voting machines and things of that nature. We're seeing real impact in terms of people who have been election deniers, whether that's going to maybe stop them or maybe they still have some wind underneath their wings in terms of some of the voter suppression bills that have been passed in some of the different states in this election. Yeah, I appreciate the question. You know,

one of the things I don't really get into in this book is horse race coverage, because I do think that that tends to obscure people's positions. But to your point, I do expect people to flip-flop. And I point out people like Mehmet Oz, who's flip-flopped on damn near every position that he's held. J.D. Vance is another big-time flip-flopper. Greg Abbott flip-flopped when it comes to gun control. I do point out kind of the—I don't call it evolution, because these are decisions that people have made out of political expediency, that people have made. So what I hope is that people will get a sense of the character of these candidates and get a sense of what they've said, what they're proposing, and not let people off

the hook because they might moderate some of their rhetoric. When I was on Simone Shaw on MSNBC, they kind of talked about how Republicans are moderating. And I'm like, no, the hell they're not. They're not moderating their policies. Even if they moderate their speech, even if they come out and condemn Trump for being under investigation for violating the Espionage Act, their policies are still extreme. And that's what we cannot let them off the hook about. All right, Recy, Amazon bestselling author, the long short of it guide to the midterms, the radical Republicans. You need to go ahead and pre-order. As I said, the book drops on Thursday, August the 18th.

Recy, founder of Black Women Abuse Media, thank you so much for your time today, sis. Thank you, sis. Absolutely. All right, so we're going to go ahead and get into another little bit of a dump Trump. Trump dump. Another one of Trump's biggest allies must travel to the Peach State to testify about its election probe.

A federal judge said, now come on over here to Georgia. And she ruled that the Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina must testify in front of a special grand jury regarding his role in the 2020 election probe. Graham's attorney attempted to use his congressional privilege to block the testimony. Still, the judge, who is a U.S. district judge that was appointed by President Obama in 2013, she was then nominated by the Senate in a vote of 99-0. She sided with the district attorney, saying Graham's testimony is pivotal regarding

his role in the 2020 Georgia election results. And as we continue to talk about elections, elections, elections, an entire team of election officials in a Texas county has resigned because of threats and harassment after the 2020 election. The Gillespie County Administrator, Anissa Herrera,

is quitting after nearly three years. She previously worked as an election clerk for almost a decade. Some workers have hired private security and off-duty police officers for protection. Herrera said she's been stalked, threatened, and called out online. She says Texan... Texas elections... Excuse me, Texas elections are safe and secure, but the people with dangerous beliefs forced her to resign.

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couple stories that we briefed, that I just read through. One of which is of special interest to me, especially since we have Representative Shannon on, is around Lindsey Graham having to testify before that grand jury. And I made some remarks with regard to who the U.S. district judge is in this case that said that, no, homeboy, you need to come on to Georgia, because that really does speak to how important elections are. I just want to read a little piece of her ruling, Representative Shannon, and then have you comment. She said, though Senator Graham argues that he is exempt from testifying as a high-ranking government official, the court finds that the district attorney, who is a black woman, District Attorney Willis, has shown extraordinary circumstance and a special need for Senator Graham's testimony on issues related to alleged attempts

to influence or disrupt the lawful administration of Georgia's elections. She wrote that in her ruling because he made a couple of phone calls after the election was over to the Secretary of state that you were just talking about recently with Brad Raffensperger around, we're thinking, the vote count. So, Representative Shannon, what say you about this ruling that Georgia said, no, you need to come here and you need to appear before our special grand jury next Tuesday? Well, I'm glad to see the ruling. I was actually surprised by it because here in the state of Georgia, state level officials like myself, actually our communications are protected. They're not subject to open records. And so I kind of was, you know, not, I was kind of a little pessimistic about what would happen as far as ruling on this

question. And so I'm really glad to see this. Look, I think all around the country, you've got a certain segment of white folks in this country who are finally understanding with the raid on Mar-a-Lago, with Graham having to testify, they are finally understanding what many of us have wanted them to know, which is that no one is above the law in this country. Not Donald Trump, their leader, and not any of them. And so, I am glad that this is happening, and it's just time for everyone to be held accountable. Absolutely, Representative Shannon.

I, I sing your chorus on that. And, you know, Xavier, talking about no one is above the law, Representative Shannon just said that. I remember like last week, I think he was supposed to be in Georgia. And I guess that's when his attorneys were in communications with the DA's office there around trying to get this quashed. Well, he's got to pull up. They said that, no, sir, your congressional privilege is no good here. Your privilege card has been revoked.

So, you know, as an attorney, as our legal eye here, what are your thoughts around him actually having to appear and this special grand jury that has been convened and the likelihood that there will be charges that will come out of his testimony? Yeah, well, first and foremost, he still has to appear in front of the tribunal. That will be August 23rd, I believe, is the date he's scheduled to appear. He actually still has to do it. We've seen with other members of Congress, other figures connected to the 2020 presidential election that some people haven't responded to various subpoenas, contempt of court. So we'll see whether Lindsey Graham wants to play that game in the state court of Georgia and see what happens at that point. We also hear that Rudy Giuliani is now a target of the investigation in Georgia

and terminating his role, a criminal responsibility potentially could be on Giuliani's desk. I see him singing like a bird. I don't know whether Lindsey Graham is the same person who said that Donald Trump would make Republicans pay dearly for supporting him. He got caught up in the same web himself. Absolutely. I love it. And I

love these receipts that Xavier has pulled. You know, Dr. Malvo, here we are more of the goon squad is continuing to have to answer to law enforcement for their own behavior. What are you hopeful for as we continue to see,

as Xavier brought forward, Giuliani has to now talk. We've got Senator Lindsey Graham who tried to dip, who has been trying to dip and dodge and use privilege as a way to not appear before this grand jury. It all came falling down right in front of his face. You asked me what I hope for. I hope for orange jumpsuits for all of them. I think that that's the best thing to do. I appreciate what Xavier said about Lindsey Graham, because Lindsey Graham, if you think back to 2016, he was dissing Trump left and right. He had no teeth for Trump's fever.

All of a sudden, he's playing golf with them. You know, what Trump has done, he's created this cult-like atmosphere among Republicans where they feel like they cannot oppose him in any way at all. And that's not good for the Republican Party, although I'm not a member of it, but it's not good for the Republican Party, but it's also not good for democracy when people know they're wrong, but

they still are going to do wrong. And I'm not, you know, there are some Republicans, I have no respect or anything else for them, but then there are people like Mitt Romney, Sue Collins. These folks have essentially drunk the Trump Kool-Aid and put extra sugar in it so they can swallow the bile, the bile that that man has put out there. I mean, Mitt Romney should have voted. Um, there's so many times he could have voted. Sue Collins is responsible singularly for Gorsuch and, um, Kavanaugh.

So these are people who would put themselves out there as reasonable Republicans, but there is nothing reasonable about people who are playing with women's bodily autonomy. There's nothing reasonable about Lindsey Graham, who flip-flops so much, he's like a piece of fish. Um, been breaded twice and put in deep, deep oil. So, in any case, what-what we see is their hypocrisy

coming home to roost. And if you ask me what I want, orange jumpsuits. Just orange jumpsuits. Orange jumpsuits. Right to go with that Kool-Aid. And then we're going to touch on the story that I talked through, which was that you have out in Texas, Gillespie County,

you have these election workers that are saying, like, listen, we're done, we can't have enough. You know, on the 1-6 committee hearings, for all those that were watching those committee hearings, you had Shea Moss testify to the ongoing harassment that she and her mother have experienced, her grandmother's door being banged on and there being a clan of people that were calling,

a citizen's arrest calling, just to be very blunt about it, for her head. These were people who were poll workers in the metro Atlanta area. a citizen's arrest calling, just to be very blunt about it, for her head. These were people who were poll workers in the metro Atlanta area. Xavier, I'll start with you. You know, just on Roland's show on Friday, he had a guest on, and the plea was really to get people engaged in being poll workers, because, you know, as we all pretty much know, we're politicals. We have our head in, you know, all political news pretty much know, we're politicals, we have our head in, you know,

all political news, we're hearing the beltway, but then also have an understanding that poll workers, usually for anybody that goes out and votes, they're usually, um, our senior, um, our grandparents, our aunts and our uncles, and they, um, are very, very, um, they are real patriots. They take a great pride in executing those duties.

Um, it doesn't matter if it is a local election, a statewide congressional election, presidential election. They take great pride in doing that. But as that population ages, we have the pandemic that is still gaining. We're still in the pandemic. We have different viruses that are coming back. Polio. We've got monkeypox. All of these different. It's just not a safe environment for a lot of our seniors to be out at poll workers. So really saying, hey, we're really recruiting some people to come on and to be of help. What do you think that stories like this do to the recruitment effort as we enter into the midterm elections, understanding that different municipalities sometimes have elections every year?

First, I saw what you did in terms of talking, saying there's a clan of people outside of their houses, so I peeped that. And I think it's important that our media puts attention on what we're facing is replacement theory trying to be made law, trying to be made policy, and also trying to dismantle democracy and the motivations that are behind that being racist and racism and the institution of Trump Crow, a 2022 version of Jim Crow.

This election will test to determine whether that path will continue to be able to attempt to dismantle democracy or whether people will push back. We do need a younger generation of individuals that will participate in their democracy in terms of being poll workers, not just in our districts and the places where we live, but also going and if they can, if it's legally feasible, to go into other parts where their votes are being counted in places that may not look like them or vote like them. That's some of what they're doing to come in various districts where they are African-American voters in terms of being poll watchers as well and being able to, hey, we want

to be able to see votes being counted. So we should be doing that as well. We have to be politically engaged. We definitely need to be able to reach out to people who don't traditionally vote, who say there's no difference between both parties. Well, this year has shown clearly what there is definitely a difference between two parties. People need to be able to get engaged. And those that are progressive who are maybe disenfranchised in terms of not being feeling their needs being met, maybe economically or politically, they're civically engaged, understanding that the beliefs that you have, you're free to have them because we live in a democratic society. And so to be able to continue that, you need to be able to participate in a democratic structure

known as voting in the United States of America. That sounds like a message that needs to be on replay to me. Thank you so much for that. We're going to switch gears just a little bit, and we're going to move into, uh, something that is critically important, not just to one specific community, but to all. September the 21st, not August 21st,

not March 21st, but September 21st, 2022, is Black Women's Equal Pay Day. And the fight for equal wages moves forward. The gap between Black women's equal payday, and the fight for equal wages moves forward. The gap between Black women and their white male counterpart continues to grow. According to the American Association of University Women, it takes Black women an estimated, get ready for this, 19 months to earn the same as their white male counterparts. 19 months. That's a year and a half. And according to the National Partnership for Women and Families, the disparity is even more significant in some states like Louisiana. The report shows that black women in the state only earn not 50 cent, not 49 cent, 48 cent on the dollar compared to their white male counterparts. Dr. Avis Stone DeWeaver, the founder of Exceptional Black Women Network, joins us now.

We're going to talk about it. Dr. Avis, thank you so much for connecting with us now. We're going to talk about it. Dr. Avis, thank you so much for connecting with us today. You are the best person for us to be having this conversation with because you have served as editor-in-chief of the State of Black Women in the United States report. I was reading through that 2020 report and just want to hit on some of the finer points I read that really blew me away. So we're still in a global pandemic. That is definitely playing a critical part in what you're gonna be sharing with us.

Talk to us a bit about why this year's Black Women's Equal Pay Day date is acutely alarming, um, a-given as the wage gap in historical free labor... that Black women have given and continue to give to this country. Absolutely. It's so great to see you in that host chair, Erica, by the way. I have to say, you know, this number,

what we see this year is particularly startling. Just to put this in context, I have been looking and researching and writing about data around Black women and our economic well-being for a good 20 plus years now. Yeah, I know I look like I'm 21, but I'm not. OK, so I have been doing that for a while. OK, and I think it's important that we recognize that this is the biggest decline that I have

seen in one year ever since I've been looking at this data. I mean, this is a huge jump, all right? Typically, as you alluded to, Black Women's Equal Pay Day typically falls in August. Last year, it was August 2nd. This year, it's September 21st. What does that mean in practical terms? You just said, hey, it's 19 months. Let me just put that in even more practical terms to people. That means that if you're a Black woman, congratulations, you worked January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August. You will work all the way up until September 21st into 2022 before you make what your typical white male counterpart made by December 31st of 2021. That's what that means. All right. And so what we're seeing right now is

a widening of the wage gap and not a decreasing of the wage gap. And it completely, I believe, jumped largely because of some of the impacts that we've seen with the pandemic economy. Quite frankly, Black women and other women of color are making less, and it appears as if white men are making more. My goodness. And, you know, I think equal payday largely for women is March 15th. But that, as you talked about, you know, that's not for women of color. It's definitely not for black women. And they are making 83 cents on the dollar. That is for white women, March 15th. So we are still working six months longer to actually get, what is it, the 58 cent on the dollar? 58 cents to the dollar is what the typical,

what today's, what this year's wage disparity is between black women and white men. That is our wage gap. We only make 58 cents to the dollar of what the typical white male makes in earnings. It's ridiculous. It is absolutely ridiculous. It is really the equivalent of just saying, you know, here is my 42 cents. You can have that. It's on me. So you talked about the global pandemic continuing to lube Dr. Avis. And so with this report that you have been writing, and as you said, you look 21, so it's hard to believe you've been doing this for over 20 years, digging in these numbers, working for some of D.C.'s most prominent think tanks. You know, we start thinking about legislation. And this is the importance of voting matters. We've been talking about how much voting

matters, the court matters. You know, Xavier just talked about when we were talking about these election workers that have said, listen, I can't do this anymore because of the continuing harassment, but why it's important to have people participating in democracy. It's important to have black women in legislation. Shout out to Congresswoman

Maxine Waters. Today is her birthday. This is the importance of the Congressional Black Caucus. This is the importance of the Congressional Black Caucus. This is the importance of the Black Women's Roundtable, which you are part of, and from where that report stems out of, friend of the show, CEO and President Melanie Campbell. This is the importance of having Black women when constructing policy and thinking about where black women are as in terms of where we're working. I know the Biden-Harris administration put out a statement that, they're going to be working to improve women largely equal pay in federal government.

But when we look at specifically Black women, Black women overrepresent largely in service industry jobs and in health care. Talk to us a little bit about what discriminatory biases exist in those systems that really keep Black women in those service industry spaces and healthcare spaces where they're putting their own bodies on the line and not being able to protect their own? Absolutely. So we have, as long as this nation has been in existence,

we've not only had general segregation in terms of our history, but to this day, we have occupational segregation. And that is what we are seeing in terms of where Black women typically are clustered in the workforce. As you mentioned, we tend to be clustered in service jobs. We tend to be clustered in low-wage jobs. We send in particularly within the health care industry oftentimes the most low-wage jobs within those industries, like home health care workers, for example. It's a very physically taxing job, a very difficult job, but it pays very low. So those are the places that oftentimes we are disproportionately represented in terms of our employment. Now, you know, the challenge is that we have a long history of just underpaying people in those jobs. So when we see

the wage gap, it's really reflecting a couple of different things. It's reflecting the fact that there is occupational segregation, and you tend to have women, and particularly Black women, tend to be overly represented in low-wage jobs. But it's also true that when women and men work the same job, if you look at that data and disaggregate it, you also find that men still oftentimes get paid more, typically get paid more than women who work the very same job. So even if you look at a man in a traditionally and disaggregated, you also find that men still oftentimes get paid more, typically get paid more than women who work the very same job. So even if you look at a man in a traditionally female job, like nursing, male nurses tend to make more than female nurses. So the challenge is bifurcated. It's too full. We have a challenge when it comes to wage discrimination across race and gender,

the intersection of those two, and that's really impacting Black women, especially in all those spaces. But we also have a problem with occupational segregation, where Black women tend to be clustered in jobs that pay low amounts of money, creates a huge burden on them in terms of their bodies. And particularly with regards to the pandemic, they tend to be clustered in those necessary jobs that put them in harm's way in terms of having to be out with COVID, where oftentimes white male might have a more protected job where they could do it at home, for example, and still bring down very, very high wages. Wow. The pandemic still looms for Black women. And so, you know, so shifting into that, how, you know, you have those white male counterparts who are able to work remotely.

So now here, you know, what choices are black women left with when we look at the numbers of black women who are leading in businesses, right? Mm-hmm. Those numbers are really impressive. However, what is not impressive is that Black women lead in businesses, but they lack access to capital. You are a multi-hyphenated entrepreneur yourself. You're not only a political scientist, founder of Exceptional Black Women's Network, but you're also a coach, black millionaire coach. Talk to us about the

importance of entrepreneurship and having the type of business that allows a Black woman to not only be in business and have about $20,000, but to be in business, to have a salary for herself, to be able to hire a team, and hopefully be able to afford that team access to health care and be able to take care of multiple family members. Absolutely. So you're exactly right. And this is one of the reasons why I do what I do, because I so strongly believe that entrepreneurship is a very viable path and very important path that black women take in order to be able to have better control over her own bottom line. sort of get what's going on in the workplace. We get that we're oftentimes paid less and asked to do more. We get that we're seeing people get promotions over us all the time and we're doing their work for them. We get that, right? And so I think that has a lot to do with why Black women are the most likely demographic group to start her own business because she understands she's

not being treated fairly in the workplace. But as you alluded to, the typical Black woman owned business typically doesn't scale. It typically doesn't make revenues that are on par with other women-owned businesses. In fact, the typical Black woman-owned business over the course of the year makes only about $24,000 a year compared to over $150,000 for the typical woman-owned business. So that is problematic. And, you know, I would argue that a lot of that goes to our lack of ability to really be able to charge what we're worth. And so I think a big part of that is to, when we make that leap, or even if we're doing it as a side hustle, you can still be able to charge appropriately for

what you do. Because, you know, if you're not going to be paid fairly, quote unquote, by the man, the last thing that you want to do is start your own business and then undercharge your damn self. Absolutely. And so what are some remedies that you offer before we go to the panel here in just a moment for people that are saying, OK, great. I have this business idea or I am in business. I'm a coach. I'm a consultant. Or there are things that I really can see scaling for myself. What remedies do you offer, Dr. Avis? Yeah, well, the first thing I think you need to do is understand that what's in your brain has value. I mean, I, you know, what I see time and time again is I oftentimes see women and men who are great at doing something. They are brilliant.

They have these skills. They have these assets. And because it comes easy to them, they almost undermine its value. They don't think it's very valuable because they can do it easy. And what I let people know that if you can do it easily, that's the very thing you should be charging a lot for. Because just because it comes easy to you, it doesn't mean that it comes easy for everybody else, right? So take a look at the market. Take a look at the competition. See what is happening out there in the real world in terms of what other people are being paid. I would just want to venture to encourage you to have the confidence of a mediocre white boy when it comes to pricing what you do,

okay? And have the price tag put on it that they put on it. Because the last thing that you want to do is to make yourself appear so inexpensive that even though you're brilliant, very, very good prospects that could actually hire you might undermine and undervalue what you bring to the table because they assume that you're not good. Oftentimes people associate price with quality. underprice ourselves, instead of making us more attractive to people who are looking for quality, to people who are looking for an answer to their problems, for people who are looking to hire someone who will bring the solution, what you do instead is you make them question whether or not you can really do it. And so they would end up paying someone else twice as much, three times as much, four times as much as they would have paid you, even though you might have been actually better at producing the work. So get clear about what the standard is in your industry and at least price at that level, if not even more aggressively. Absolutely. You heard it right here on Roland Martin Unfiltered.

We're going to kick it to our panel. Dr. Julianne Malvo, your questions for Dr. Avis. First of all, I want to thank her for the report and her work. It's very good, right on time. As she knows, and some of y'all might, I started out writing about occupational segregation years ago. And it literally is. That's a dual kind of occupational segregation that black women experience as opposed to the one that white women experience.

But one of the things that's so important is, Avis talked about entrepreneurship. We will not be paid equally, frankly, because predatory capitalism prevents that from happening. But if we start our own businesses and price ourselves appropriately, we can basically close some of the income gap, as well as the wealth gap. But, Avis, one of the things that's really important here is to look at the impact of COVID on Black women. And that's why you see the downturn, which I've never seen such a thing either. Usually you see very, very tiny increases, but never a downturn. And that's what COVID did. We know what the differences are in terms of working remotely and that executive jobs are the kinds that you can work remotely. Clerical jobs,

you cannot work remotely. Interesting piece of data, one in six clerical Black women has a BA degree. So you think about clerical workers, these are people who are really smart, but they just are not being equally paid. But other than the differences that come from the pandemic, differences that come from transportation, other things, what kind of differences can we model so that our girls, because I'm really interested in the next generation, so our girls don't have to deal with these kind of hurdles? What can we do in the labor market now? One thing, of course, is to be unionized when we have those kind of jobs. But What can we do in the labor market now? One thing, of course, is to be unionized when we have those kind of jobs, but what can we do in the labor market now so the next generation has an easier time of it? Great question. And Dr. Malvo, I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the brilliance of Dr. Malvo over the course of her career. I would argue she's the premier Black woman economist in the nation and has been for quite some time. But I will say, in terms of what we can do to help the next generation,

I think there are a few things. You know, as our young girls are coming up, I think it's very important that we expose them to a broad range of opportunities for their careers when they're in college or even before. You know, as you mentioned, this whole thing about occupational segregation, it is very much ingrained in us, even as little children, what's men's work and what's women's work. And one very revolutionary thing that more of us can do is to pierce our way into traditional male occupations that have higher starting points and higher possibilities just in terms of wages. Now, that may beget other problems, right?

I have colleagues, I have friends, I have clients who are in, for example, STEM types of jobs, and they talk about the racism and the sexism that's there. Well, we need to make sure that we band together and protect each other. But the bottom line I'm pointing to here, in addition to the unionization and in addition to fighting still politically for things like the Paycheck Fairness Act, you know, I would argue that we need to make sure that our young girls are exposed to a wide range of possibilities from a very young age so that their view about what they can do in the work world is much broader than it may have been for me or definitely for my mother. I just think that expanding that optic in terms of what she can do may be one good way that we can start chipping away at occupational segregation for that next generation.

Representative Shannon. Well, first, Dr. Avis, thank you for your work. I just tried to look you up on Twitter to see if I could follow you and couldn't find you on Twitter. But I want to say thanks for all. I'm still the scholar on Twitter. I will be following. Thank you for bringing this up.

You know, this is very disastrous, the wage gap for black women, for a few reasons. Number one, we know that salaries a lot of times in promotions are based off of previous wages. So when you're already being underpaid, even your future raises will not be the money that you actually deserve. And then we know the other thing, which is, but my question is around, which is that a lot of times 401k and retirement is based off of your wages that you've made while you've worked. What advice do you give to folks who are closer, Black women who are closer to retirement and people are living longer nowadays who will be retiring soon, but they have based their retirement has been based off of these wages that are not equivalent to what their white counterparts have made. Wow, you bring up two excellent points there. First, with regards to this issue of retirement, there have been research that's found that due to

the wage gap alone, when a Black woman retires, she will retire with $1 million less than her white male counterpart, money that she would have had had she been paid fairly over the course of her 30-year working career. So that's how this thing accumulates over time. Now, you know, how do you sort of get a start on that younger in your career so that you can create a better future for you when you get to that point. As you mentioned, this issue of making sure that you are paid well at the beginning is very important because oftentimes people do get raises based on where their salary is right now. So from the very beginning, we need to know that you negotiate your salary, negotiate your job offers, negotiate that. And then when you go

from one job to the next job, don't think, particularly if it's at another company, don't think they need to base what they're paying you today off of what they paid, what you got paid at the previous job. You need to become a very, very strong and confident salary negotiator and use that aggressively every step of the way. At the end of the day, because we don't have something like the Paycheck Fairness Act, we really don't know what our counterparts are making right next to us. But you can do your research around what the typical person in your geographic area with your specific profession tends to make, okay? And so do that research prior to entering into those negotiations so that you can get a sense

of the ballpark of where your pay should be. And when you know that you're being low balled, don't be afraid to ask for more and don't be afraid to make sure that you are going to get it and go out there and look aggressively so that you can, in the best case scenario, have multiple job offers and then you can have people fighting over your genius. So that puts you in a very good position financially as well.

Such sage, sage advice. Dr. Avis Jones DeWeaver, the founder of the Exceptional Black Women's Network and the creator of Black Millionaire Coach Live. Thank you so much, friend of the show, for connecting with us today. And if people don't, you know, take anything else away from what Dr. Avis has said, just remember that Black Women's Payday

is September 21st. 19 months of work to catch up with the, not catch up, but to have the same salary as the white male counterpart, I think is enough motivation to make sure that you connect with Dr. Avis Jones-DeWeaver and negotiate and get your money. Thank you so much, Dr. Avis, for joining us today. Thanks for having me, Erica. Absolutely. And Roland Martin will be right back here after this short break on the Black Star Network

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910 677 55 39. As Police Department at 910-677-5539. As we continue forward in news, a white Mississippi Highway Patrol trooper gets cleared of wrongdoing after a video of him using excessive force against a black man went viral. The Mississippi Department of Public Safety said Trooper Hayden Falvey

did not violate policies or exhibit criminal conduct against Eugene Lewis during his arrest. The department and investigators from two divisions, the Mississippi Highway Safety Patrol and the Mississippi Bureau of Investigation said they completed all necessary inquiries

and that Officer Falvey will not face any disciplinary action. I want to take this to our panel. And I know that this video was showed in full last week on the show. When I read through the updates, I also, uh, found out that Lewis' two brothers, um, were also, uh, they came to the scene to see what was happening with their brother, and they actually, um, filmed a lot of the footage that we see.

So this is police-cam combined with their video, and that, uh, Eugene said that he couldn't breathe, um, that the trooper said, well, you're running your mouth, you can breathe, and that the two brothers who were there to record and possibly save his life in this rural area, Macomb, Mississippi, were effectively arrested. Now, Xavier, I want to start with you. Together, these three brothers that were arrested are facing 22 charges

between the three of them. One is facing nine charges. Another brother is facing eight charges. And then the last brother is facing five charges. Two of the brothers were there specifically to record their brother, because if we have seen black people, both young and senior, an arrest can be lethal for any of us. The same officer that was cleared of any wrongdoing by the Mississippi Highway Patrol and the other investigative arm was told, well, this officer said, in quote, about the two brothers that were there, they should not have stopped to shoot video. Now all of you all are catching charges for theatrics.

What hopes do we have, Xavier, especially since he's been internally cleared of anything happening as a result of this black man after he was handcuffed, being put into a chokehold and wrestled into a ditch. It's actually enraging,

Erica, that we see video after video, but it's back to blue for a certain segment of society who wants to effectively only see support of law enforcement when they are roughing black and brown people. But when it comes to that, we've started to show out the highest office. People are screaming, defund the FBI and want to attack law enforcement. Right. If you think about the origin of law enforcement in this country, it was designed to keep us down.

So 2022, we still see the vestiges of slavery in this country and treating black and brown people like dogs. And then the state terrorism that acts as if you record to try to get proof of what's happened because, hey, we'll turn the camera off of the body cam or no one would see how this gentleman would be treated or even worse, if those individuals might not have been there, then they are now being caught up in the criminal justice system as well. This is state intimidation. This is something that our nation needs to resolve and has not been resolved.

We did not pass a George Floyd Justice in Policing Act that has been put on the back burner in terms of advancing our rights. And so it's frustrating to see this as a Black man, especially in law, because the reason why I became a lawyer is because some negative treatment that I had when I was in college by law enforcement. And so

we have to be able to continue to speak up, and that's why Roland Martin on Filden is an important platform because many platforms aren't showing the extent of beginning to end and what we should do about this grave injustice and the difference of black

and white in our country. It's simply disgusting. It's dehumanizing. And it needs to stop. Oh, God, you're absolutely right. And I'm so sorry to hear, Xavier, about that engagement that you had. But and I shouldn't say but and I am glad to know that out of that experience, and I hope that there were more experiences like that, but as we largely see, especially with black people, black men, that these aren't singular experiences, right? But that you took what you experienced and you said that you were going to engage the machine,

so to speak. So thank you for sharing that. I'm very glad to have you as a part of our legal system. And as you said, that Roland Martin Unfiltered is one of the only platforms that does cover these stories from end to end. They do seem to be breathless sometimes, but we have to have these stories in our face so that we can understand that voting matter, the courts matter, people that are in the legal system matter, such as Xavier Pope and folks like, you know, as Dr. Avis brought forward, you know, having a Dr. Julianne Malveaux, an economist, someone who was still involved in higher education. And I want to go to you, Representative Shannon, because this also

involves some communication that has happened with the state representative there in Mississippi. And so he was speaking with the news, the local news network there and said that he'd actually spoken to the Mississippi Public Safety Commissioner, which they were said that they did not see any wrongdoing, along with the other legal arm quoted in this particular piece. And that Mississippi Public Safety Commissioner's name is, his last name is Tindall. And he said, listen, you know, we pretty much don't see any wrongdoing here. As a legislator who has charge of a specific district, and it is not just, you know, the mundane things, but actually ensuring that those citizens themselves feel safe when things like this happen, that they do feel

like they're going to pick up the phone and be able to talk to their state representative and actually have a remedy for it. What are you seeing as the responsibility of someone who has power within a state to ensure that citizens who might not have received what they perceive to be some stretch of justice to be able to help them move through the system and to be able to get some type of justice or some type of ramification or bigger eyes on their particular predicament? KAYLA TAYLOR- So, first, let me say, the comments from the officer, I'm not surprised. I have consistently worked on these issues of police accountability, and I have consistently said that, for far too long, officers in this country have had an unearned benefit of the doubt. And we actually have no clue as to what police officers have been doing in this country. And now we're starting to see more and more cases where an officer's ego has been bruised,

and that has led to more brutality against the black folks they come in contact with. So what I would say is that we Democrats have got to get serious about working on this issue. I have consistently worked on this issue in my time in the House, and I have filed many bills and stood with many families, whether they lived in my district or not, because they have been brutalized or murdered by police. And I would add that even the justice in policing, the George Floyd Act, is not tough enough. You must remove qualified immunity. Until you do that, these

officers know that they can get away with brutalizing and murdering Black people for absolutely no reason. And that is the issue that we have here. I have literally known DAs who have wanted to charge police officers because they look at videos like this and they say, you know, this is completely wrong and anybody could say that. You don't have to be a DA to be able to see that. But they know that because of the way that the law is structured, their cases are not going to hold up in court if they do charge officers. So this is something that really frustrates me a lot because I am usually one of the only voices speaking about this,

willing to talk about this as Democrats, at least in Georgia and what I see across the country, continue to run away from this issue. This is the issue that you need to get tough on. It's not going to be enough to win elections to talk about how bad Republicans are, because that does nothing. All that means is folks can just, folks can agree with you and say, yeah, those people are terrible. They can still stay home. You have to give people something to vote for. And this is an issue that is on the minds of folks like myself. It's on the minds of people thinking about their families. People are literally scared for their relatives

to be out and about because they don't know what police interaction is gonna turn into their relative not coming home. So Democrats need to stop running from this issue, get serious about it, and put your money where your mouth is. Because what we see happening right now is that Republicans and large groups of white people

who are suddenly understanding that the law is for everyone, not just for black people, are now screaming defund the police, and they haven't even been treated unfairly. And you watch. There are going to be some people who are going to agree with them when they could not hear our calls to say stop spending so much money on policing issues and invest in communities. And that agreement will be nothing but the epitome of anti-Blackness, that they couldn't see it or didn't want to see it or to take it seriously when Black folks have been saying this for decades and decades. Absolutely. I love everything that you just said. I mean, you think

about the roots of policing the slave patrols back in the 1700s. And so not a whole lot of change, especially for black people. Dr. Malveaux, I mean, you know, you lived in D.C. You know, we were not spared of hearing police sirens, not spared from hearing emergency vehicles all day long. And Representative Shannon brought out a really great point with regards to police officers. And, you know, it made me think about the language that we hear police officers. They speak with deference when they're talking to black citizens or, as it's been said largely on this show, you know, no humans found.

However, it is that they perceive us. But they talk to us with such aggressive language, curse words. You know, as I said, this particular officer said that, you know, to the three brothers that were arrested,

two of the brothers who were there to really make sure that their brother's life was saved. I believe that they should not have stopped to shoot video. Now all of y'all

are catching charges for theatrics in concert with not only the trauma, but then the cursing as well. You know, Representative Shannon said that this is an issue that definitely needs to be lifted a lot more. People also want to feel safe as a part of their human experience. What do you believe should be a remedy around what we continue to see? And I know that you have seen

for many, many years around policing and Black bodies and how law enforcement is unafraid to engage Black people like they would no one else? No, they... Mississippi got them. I said it last week, but we were... We saw the video. Nina Simone sang it. It's what it is. Mississippi, I've lived in D.C., I've lived in California, I've lived a lot of places,

but Mississippi is the bottom of the bucket when it comes to how they treat Black people. You give me a minute, not a funny story, but a really poignant one. In 1986, I took my mama from New Orleans to Biloxi, Mississippi. She's from Biloxi. She wanted to go to her high school reunion. Our mother's Sorrows Catholic High School. Okay, whatever.

I was not speeding. I was going 56 miles an hour in a 55. Do you know the man stopped me and talked more dookie than the law allowed until I lost my temper and talked some back. The sad thing about this, my mother's from Mississippi. She literally started sobbing. She cried for about 20 minutes. She begged the man. The man said, get out the car. I said, I'm not getting out this car. Oh, no. Mommy said, Julianne, don't get out the car. But she's crying. She was literally, she was so afraid that she's crying. Then the man finally had a shred of humanity. And he said to my mom, why are you crying? She said, I don't want you

to kill us. And that's literally, in 1986, she was, you know, in her 70s. And that's literally what she thought, is that we would be killed. And that's the fear that is instilled in our community. I mean, the man finally, he didn't give me a ticket. I told him, give me a ticket. I don't care. I want a ticket because I want your name. He refused to give me a ticket. He held us for a few more minutes, and he told my mother he was sorry that she had a bad experience in Mississippi.

I said, you ain't sorry for me? And Mommy said, Julia, please just be quiet while we're ahead. I was mean, I was scared, but I wasn't that scared because I talked a lot of stuff too. But what hit me was how frightened my mother was as an elder, how she sat there and just sobbed and couldn't stop crying. And I think we went another 20 miles and she was still crying. I'm like, mommy, please stop crying. She said, I can't. I can't. I'm so afraid. This is what they have instilled in us. There was no civility nor decency in the way this man talked to me. He actually called me out of my name, rhymes with which. And, of course, I called him a Maryland farmer in response, which was not a good thing to do. Young people, if you're watching, don't curse out the police. It ain't going to turn out right. But, in any case, what I would say is, Mississippi is the worst, and we know it.

I hope that Kristen Clark, the Justice Department, that man needs that. He violated that man's civil rights and violated the whole family's civil rights. And we need to keep bringing these lawsuits, bringing these lawsuits, bringing these lawsuits. But the George Floyd Act, as the representatives have said, is insufficient. They basically, we have to unpack this white arrogance. It's not even superiority. They are not superior. They are inferior. What we have to unpack is their arrogance to make them understand that we, too, are human beings, and we should not have to say that. We should not have to assert that. But we do because they continue to denigrate us, to belittle us, and when they feel like it, to put their hands on us. There have to be consequences,

and we have to ensure that there are. And I do hope that Department of Justice look at this. This is a small thing in the scheme of things, but it's not small because it happens. We don't even know how often this happens. That's what the tragedy is. We don't know how often it happens. We don't know where the bodies are buried in Mississippi, but we know they're buried. Absolutely, and this is why Rowland's book, White Fear, drops in September, available for pre-order.

We're going to go to break. We'll be right back as we continue to stream live on the Black Star Network. When we invest in ourselves, our glow, our vision, our vibe, we all shine. Together, we are Black Beyond Measure. Hatred on the streets, a horrific scene, a white nationalist rally that descended into deadly violence white people are losing their damn minds there's an angry pro-trump mob storm to the u.s capital we're about to see the rise of what i call white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result

of violent denial. This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson at Emory University calls white rage as a backlash. This is the wrath of the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys. America, there's going to be more of this.

This country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and its attitudes because of the fear of white people. The fear that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're taking our women. This is white fear. I have a couple. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

Yeah! Yeah! When we invest in ourselves, we all shine. Together, we are Black beyond measure. Hi, everybody. This is Jonathan Nelson. Hi, this is Cheryl Lee Ralph, and you are watching Roland Martin, unfiltered. As schools get back into session, the nation's top public health agency relaxed its COVID-19 guidelines, dropping the recommendation that people quarantine themselves if they encounter an infected person.

The CDC also says people no longer need to stay at least six feet away from others, not me. So what should you do to keep your child safe as they return to school? Joining us is a pediatrician and clinical assistant professor of pediatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine, Dr. Eric Yancey from Indianapolis, Indiana.

Welcome, Dr. Yancey. So good to have you on today. So really want to work through. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much. Have so many questions. So as I was looking through the CDC guidelines and understanding, you know, they told people you no longer had to wear masks on planes. And so we saw the celebration of that, you know, here in D.C. where a lot of people use metro transportation and everywhere else. Trains saw those massive mandates lifted there. But, you know, we're talking about our kids.

And so I just want to read off some of the recommendations that the CDC has provided. They removed the recommendation that we just said to quarantine except in high-risk congregate settings. And they also removed recommendation to cohort change, recommendation to conduct screening, testing to focus on high-risk activities during high COVID-19 community level or response to an outbreak.

You know, parents, you know, I was reading a story in the L.A. Times around parents are talking with their children around some of the things that they need to be prepared for in school. And these kids are literally communicating to their parents that they do have some fears around not only COVID-19, the year three of this virus that we're in, but monkeypox, there's been a resurgence of polio. So what are some things that you could say to parents to help ease their children and the teachers as well as they move into this new school year with the CDC no longer backing a lot of the protections that we saw in the first and second year of COVID? Well, I think one of the biggest things and one of the things that has been for quite some time now, the best way to protect children from acquiring the COVID virus and thereby spreading it is to be vaccinated. The barrier methods and the distancing methods are good.

They do tend to help some, but they're not really. It's going to be very difficult to carry those out. We saw that last year. It's the masking, you know, created such a stir in so many different settings that it's very difficult to get that effectively done to where, you know, everybody leaves them on and this kind of thing. So that's just not going to happen. So I think one of the best way to protect a child is to make sure that they have a certain level of protective antibody in their own systems, and that would be with a vaccine. So is this really a time for parents to do a check to ensure that their child's vaccination card, their vaccination schedule is up to date, especially as we're seeing, like in New York, there was untreated water.

So there was a rise and there was a resurgence rather in polio coming back. Would you be urging parents to look back on those vaccination records to make sure that their MMRs, tetanus, things of those natures, that there's up to date as well? The schools do it to some degree, but it's ultimately the parents' responsibility to make sure those children are vaccinated. We've been able to eliminate a lot of very deadly diseases by the route of vaccinations. I happen to be old enough, blessed enough to be old enough to have actually seen many of these deadly diseases. And I've just read about them, but I've actually seen them. And since the advent of some of those vaccines, they've just gone away. We just don't see them anymore. Well, that kind of holds as well for any type of virus that we develop a vaccine for. Now, COVID's probably not going to go anywhere. So it's going to be circulating out there. It's going to be at games. It's going to be in classrooms. It's going to be in cafeterias. It's going to be out there. So once again, the individual protection is the best way to protect your child from

acquiring this virus, both the family members and the child. Certainly the long-term complications are less in children, even if you do acquire COVID, who have been vaccinated. Certainly the serious illness is less. So the immunizations are extremely important. We've really never seen the wiping out of a deadly virus without the help of vaccines. So yes, the parents should definitely check those cards. Schools will be checking them, but you want to make sure that you're on top of it as well.

Okay, and I'm going to have my panel ask a question before we close out. The last thing I want to ask you, Dr. Yancey, is around the booster schedule for children. Should children be talking to their pediatricians about not only getting the vaccine, depending on if it's one or two shots, but following, or is it recommended that children also follow the boost schedule as well or a specific boost schedule? Yeah, it's recommended that all the children between five and above actually get a booster shot. That booster recommendation is not there for the six months to five years yet, but it's recommended for those after that. Antibodies tend to kind of tail off after a period of time,

and so therefore you want to make sure that that level of antibody, that protective antibody to protect you from those infections is, quote, boosted after a certain number of months. So it is recommended for those five and above to get that one. And that will provide an additional layer of protection against the ability to neutralize those viruses as they get into your system. Let's assume they're going to get into your system, but the ability to neutralize those viruses as they get into your system. Let's assume they're going to get into your system, but the ability to neutralize them is enhanced if you're able to get those booster doses and if you get the primary series from the beginning. So it's very important to get the first ones, complete the primary series, and then five and above, go ahead and get the booster. All right. So you heard it right here from Dr. Yancey. Check that immunization record, get those shots, and then follow your boost schedule.

Mr. Pope, your question for Dr. Yancey. Dr. Yancey, thank you for your expertise. One of the wonder about in terms of booster, is it okay for children to get a second booster? And what is maybe the impact of that in terms of kids going back to school as they get around each other a little bit more? And tell us a little bit more about how can parents learn a little bit more so they can protect their kids from maybe what's going on with the monkey pox and some of their fears about that as well. Okay. Well, I think that one of the things,

when we have a virus that actually either causes disfigurement, causes things that you can visibly see, parents are naturally more upset about those. Oh, my goodness. I mean, polio in the 1950s, 1940s and 50s, you'd walk around and you'd see these children in these wheelchairs and assistive devices or whatever, and parents were just terrified of that. So the immunization acceptance rate was really pretty

high. COVID has not done the same thing in that you don't see as much on the outside, not as much visibly. But keep in mind that there are some things still going on when a child gets COVID. There are still possibilities of infectious things, I'm sorry, inflammatory things going on when a child gets COVID. There are still possibilities of infectious things, of, I'm sorry, inflammatory things going on in the inside that you just don't see. Once again, to be able to be protected from it. Now, your original question about the second booster, it appears that the ones who benefit most from the second booster are the elderly and the ones with extreme immune-compromised systems. So at this point, second booster is recommended for those that are, again, and I think the age is 65 or 70 and above. I don't really think that's too elderly, but 65 or 70 and above,

and for those who have documented immune compromise. So I think if we can get a number of the majority of children to get that primary series and then the one booster, we're going to be in pretty good shape for protection. All right. Representative Shannon. Yes. In the beginning, folks were being told that once they had had COVID, they needed to wait a certain period of time before getting the vaccine if they were not already vaccinated or before getting the booster. What do you recommend now as the period of time to wait, or do you even need to wait anymore once you've had COVID before getting a booster? DR. Well, generally, it's been once you're basically asymptomatic and not feverish anymore, you should be able to get it. Yes, we had initially said way back, it was like 90 days, you had to wait and whatever. Well, now, it's really tough to determine who has it and who doesn't.

So if you're not symptomatic and you are not running fevers anymore, you're recovering from that. It's OK to go ahead and get your shot. All right. And Dr. Malveaux. Dr. Yancey, thanks so much for your expertise and for sharing with us. My question has to do with vaccine resistance, especially those children whose parents are resistant to the vaccine. You have, we still have the remnants of the previous president who politicized this. So, I mean, my old sibling, my brother, refuses to get vaccinated. He's had COVID three times, and he still will not get vaccinated. How do we protect the children whose parents are anti-vax?

Well, I think what we have to have to realize is that just because you don't see the effects of something, it doesn't mean it's occurring. It's not occurring. And so when we look at really the poster child for vaccines is polio, you know, and everyone could see it was really deadly. It was just awful. And people said, let's go get this. So now we have a situation where we just don't see it. We don't see the outer manifestations of this disease nearly as much. But I think we still have to get across to the parents. Just because you don't see something on the outside, there's still a lot of things going on on the inside. Now, we still have had, true, most people who have died of COVID have been above 65, the vast majority above 55. But we still have hundreds of children who have died of COVID. And so I think that what we have to look at there, it's a safe vaccine. And I think parents

are many times worried about the side effect profile. The side effect profile has been very good. It's very good. It's safe. It's effective. It's potent and it works. And so therefore we have to look at that. When will we know everything about the vaccine? We won't. Okay. Dr. Eric Yancey, thank you so much for taking our questions. Pediatrician and clinical assistant professor at pediatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine. Thank you so much for joining us on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Thank you.

My pleasure. Absolutely. And before we go, we have some sad news from the entertainment world. Actor and director Denise Dowse passed away Saturday. Dowse played Vice Principal Yvonne Teasley on Beverly Hills 90210,

Judge Rebecca Damson on The Guardian, and therapist Rhonda Pine on Insecure. Douse's older sister, Tracey Douse, announced her sister's death on Instagram. Tracey described her sister as, quote, the most amazing sister, a consummate, illustrious actress, mentor, and director. She was my very best friend and final family member.

Denise Dowse was 64 years young. Mm, rest in power. And so I want to say thank you to an incredible Monday panel. Thank you to my dear friend, Dr. Julianne Malvo, Georgia representative. And this is Renita Shannon and the phenomenal Mr. Xavier Pope.

Thank you so much for joining us today. And to you, Roland Martin Unfiltered audience, I hope that you had a really, really good time rolling with me today. Being in Roland's stead, I'll be right back in the guest seat on Thursday with the All-Star VIP panel. So join me here again on Thursday,

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