#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Mosby Verdict Overturned, GA Voter Purge, Trump AI Superman, Trumpers #FAFO, Nigeria Rejects Trump

Episode Date: July 13, 2025

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Georgia plans to remove nearly 500,000 people from the voting rolls. They have a law called use it or lose it. And the folks impacted, they are calling them inactive voters. Well, they have 40 days to correct this or not. It's one of the largest voting purges in American history. Now, obviously, we've seen this before. And we've seen Georgia be one of the leaders in doing it. Now, the Supreme Court seen this before and we've seen Georgia be one of the leaders in doing it. Now, the Supreme Court allowed states to do this here.

There was a white man in Ohio who sued because he was removed from the voting rolls. Well, the Supreme Court allowed it to happen, which actually was pretty stupid to me, them allowing it to do so. But the question then, how is it going to impact black voters? Oh, by the way, that's a huge United States Senate election next year in Georgia, where of course Democratic Senator John Olsoff will be facing competition. Republican and major Republican

challenger has not appeared yet, but it is going to come joining us. Right now it's Robert Weiner, the director of the voting rights project. The Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights under law. Georgia State Representative Elmadi Holly joins us as well.

Glad to have both of y'all here. First and foremost, Representative Holly, walk us through this for people who don't understand the law in Georgia and why the Secretary of State is allowed to do this. Yes, absolutely. And thank you, Roland, for having this, making this such a serious point to discuss right now, especially ahead of these, our current public service commissioner election. For those mentors who are, who have long understood where Georgia stands with respect to voting rights, you know that our state is like a lot of Southern states,

that these states that have been impacted because of institution of slavery and the federal government has had to come in and actually provide oversight to make sure that people could exercise their right to vote. That was certainly true for, you know, during Reconstruction, We saw it even more in the years following during the 1960s up until around 2018 when you had Shelby v.

Rather 2013 Shelby v. Holder case, which literally said that states no longer are required to clear that states no longer are required to clear a state's maps for those voting maps, because they had to go and get federal oversight because the states were found to have been discriminatory. And so what we've seen over probably over the last 10 or so years is that mainly Republican-led states are so busy purging voters from the rolls. And we're not talking about voters that have been found to have been criminal or found to have been non-citizens. No, we're talking about eligible voters that are actually being purged by the hundreds of thousands.

And it's simply because they have not chosen to exercise their right to vote and cast it for a politician. So think about that. Now, here's a question. How long is it one election, two, three, sort of what's the number? Well, the thing is, is that if you look at Georgia history, in the 2018 election, usually it happens

after a federal election cycle that these purges occur. And in 2018, roughly 534,000 Georgians were purged from the vote from the voter rolls. Now, Secretary of State Raffensperger, his, his accomplice and his Gabriel Sterling, they're looking to actually purge half a million voters from the voter rolls. And so you can think about that. It's not because they're found to be un-American. These are people who simply chose not to vote for a politician. So even though the United States Constitution guarantees them that right to vote, in the state of Georgia,

it has targeted so many voters, many times we find there are persons of color, it has targeted so many voters, many times we find there are persons of color, as well as even young people, they are disproportionately represented in the list of purged voters than those who are actually registered to vote. And so it's wrong, but that's why we have to make sure that we can encourage voters to stay on top of it.

You gotta check it or you risk getting X'd out. Robert, what can people actually do? Because listen, I constantly tell people on this show, hey, register every year. There's no law says you can't fill it out. They always come up with these different rules. Whatever your current address is, register right now and always double check and verify. Yeah, that's what you have to do. You have to keep on top of it or else you're gonna lose that right. But you know, it's not just the people who haven't voted.

This purge is gonna target people who are unhoused. Or if you live in a facility that is not zoned for housing, they'll assume that that's a mistake and therefore, you should be purged from the roles unless you respond. And or if you live in a facility that has more than 10 people that address, well, there's lots of people in extended families, especially in immigrant communities. And that used to be seen as a good thing that you lived with your grandparents and your children.

But now in Georgia, that is a basis for getting removed from the roles. And you have to be able then to go back and if you can't, if you see the postcard, if you get the postcard, turn it back in and verify that you are who you say you are. But there's lots of mistakes. And as you indicated, those mistakes seem to fall more heavily on communities of color. fall more heavily on communities of color.

Greg Pallas on this show many times, talking about these issues over and over and over again. And it seems as we just keep coming back to Georgia over and over and over again. And so Representative Holly, it's like Republicans, this is what they frankly look forward to doing. Absolutely. I mean, when you look at 2018, I still remember a study

from the United States Commission on Civil Rights where it found that for those states that had previously were required by section five of the Voting Rights Act to get clearance from a federal judge to make sure that their maps were found to actually be fair for all citizens to be able to cast their ballot. Of all the states that were actually monitored, you still have Georgia leading them with these

voter suppression tactics of changing voter ID laws, polling precinct closures, early cutoffs, having really narrow windows for these dates and times to schedule a vote, requiring legal Americans to provide proof of citizenship and these mass purchase that we're seeing here, 500,000. And Roland, just to kind of give you some perspective on that, you had 5.3 million

Georgians who cast their ballot in the 2024 elections. 5.3 million. This is a purge to clear off 500,000 instantly if they don't respond within a 40-day window to make sure that they can be seen as eligible. So, in Georgia, we see that ahead of election cycles, that amount, that percentage, which mind you, even though it's maybe 6% of the total Georgians who live here, but that's still, that's 10% of those who cast their ballot in the 2024 elections. That can change the outcomes.

And what we're seeing is that particularly is very detrimental for those Latino, Black, those working class voters in our state who may not be able to go and stop their jobs, stop their priorities as working class people and hurry up within a 40 day window and make sure that they can be counted as voting American citizens that they currently are. So Robert, what do we do? Well, one thing we do is we try to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Act. But here's the thing, Robert, here's the reality.

Republicans control the House, we control the Senate, Trump is in the White House, that ain't happenin'. So, I mean, so right now, what do we tell our people? What do we do right now? Yeah, that is an obstacle to passing that. We just have to tell people that they need to register, they need to vote, they need to check whether they are on the list.

There is a website you can go to to see if your name is on that list, and you can do something about it. But it really requires that the people in Georgia, and Stacey Abrams ran such an amazing campaign a few years ago, and the get out the vote effort and the registration effort is really phenomenal. 93% registration rate. That is great. And I hate to say that those really able people have more work to do, but they do. They're just going to have to get out there and go door to door and make sure people know

what their rights are and that they exercise them. All right, then gentlemen, we absolutely appreciate you joining us on the show. Thank you so very much. Thank you. All right, I'm going to go to my panel right now. Introduced them. Glad to have them. Matt Manning, civil rights attorney out of Washington, D.C. Michael Imhotep, host of the African History Network show from Detroit, joins us as well. We also, of course, have Ben Dixon, pastored, and of course, very out here with his own digital show as well,

but they have y'all here. Listen, I had to pose the question that way, Ben, and it's very simple. Listen, the John Lewis Act ain't getting passed. Okay, they control it. So our focus right now has to be, this is the strategy we must employ to be able to drive this thing out

to alert people what's going on. I just look, I appreciate the folk who file lawsuits, who do all those different things, but this requires an on the ground effort to make sure that those folks are not disenfranchised right now. Absolutely. And I love your suggestion is that they should register. We should register

every year. It should almost be a matter of routine and ritual because we understand that this is the tactic that they employ every single opportunity that they get. They will take every measure possible to disenfranchise us from our vote. And if this has to become our ritual, our routine, then we will overcome it. Because if it was simply a matter of them are not mattering, then they would not go through these hurdles that they go through every year. I was taken off the roll back in 2004 and wasn't able to vote back then

because of the same exact type of purge. And it always disproportionately targets black people without a doubt. And so they can claim that this is a neutral process, but their neutral process always seems to hinder black folks. Yeah, I mean, I just think that the thing for me, Michael, there are what I call short, mid and long-term goals. The long-term goal is passing the John Lewis Act.

Okay, here's the whole deal. Biden was in the White House, couldn't get it done. Why? Democrats control the House. Then you had the Senate, didn't have 60 votes. Couldn't get it done. Couldn't use the reconciliation process. Couldn't get it done. So there has to be an effort right now to say,

okay, get the word out, re-register. Don't even wait on the postcard. Just re-register. Right now, re-register with your new address. Boom, that's what you do. That way you don't go through the process of election day. You go vote, provisional ballot, provisional ballots are not always counted. We ain't trying to go through all that. No. Re-register right now. Don't even wait. Do it. It doesn't cost

you anything to re-register the vote. Absolutely. You know, so I'm glad we're having this conversation because this is straight out of Project 2025. And this is like a modern-day poll tax coming from Georgia, which is a former Confederate state. So what happens is Republicans continue to show us that they fear the African American vote and the power of the African vote, more than many of us value our vote. And Georgia has a deep history of voter suppression. And when you look at Senate Bill 201 that passed in 2021, it passed in Georgia. That was the first state to have those voter suppression laws right after the 2021 election, they push the fiction of the big lie, even though all the evidence came out

stating that the election was not stolen. But Michael, here's the deal. I understand all of that. What I am saying is, our strategy has to be a now strategy. I know what they did in 2021. I know what they did in- I'm connecting it to now. No, no, no, no. What I'm saying is- I'm about to connect a now strategy. I know what they did in 2021. I know what they did in 20- I'm connecting it to now.

No, no, no. What I'm saying is- I'm about to connect it to now. No, no, no. I don't want to connect to now. Our people need to know what to do now. What to do right now. They can't file lawsuits. They can't pass a bill,

but we have to get people minds right now. What must they do today? You have to register. You have to re-register to vote, educate people on the need to re-register to vote, but also educate them on how what's on the ballot coming up the next election impacts every aspect of their lives as well, and why it's important to vote also. How all these policies are determined by,

what's put in place, are determined by who votes and who registers to vote. But here's the issue we're facing, though. See, I just—I can't have hypothetical—I can't have—here's the problem. A lot of these people are inactive voters. So I can't, I, so, so I can't say I need you to vote. First of all, you're already inactive. So what has to happen is- I said register to vote.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, follow me here. These people are already registered. They're inactive, meaning they did not vote. So what has to be happening is- I know, within four years. Right, which means they voted in four years. I understand. Which means that the folk who are running

and the third party groups out here, we have to be doing our part. The reason I'm saying that, I pulled this up last night. I was texting, I'm sorry. This is what Bishop, I pulled up a text last night. Bishop Barber sent this to us today. We were talking about, and I was talking about, there was a video that Zoran Mamdani posted,

which I thought was a fantastic video. And this is what Bishop Barbara said in the North and in the South, we're going to have to do a lot because frankly, the party is all over the place. Our problem in the South is many want to do rallies, but not organizing. One church group in North Carolina has 10,000 churches, but they don't do a church by church campaign

where each church organizes 90% of its members. Most of the time, the pastor does one sermon and then says, my people voted. They don't organize in a mile radius around the church. So he says that the model has to be where we are right now, we can't be waiting on a party to organize and mobilize. We must agree. And so what I'm saying is, if a person ain't voted in four years, then saying, I need y'all to vote ain't the answer.

I have to now be communicating... That's not what I said. I got you. And what I'm saying is, OK, go ahead. This is what I'm trying to explain to you. You have to... Yes, they have to re-register the vote, but we have to connect why they need to re-register the vote to the actual policies and the outcomes

that they say that they want. You have to connect all that together and educate them on how all that's connected and mobilize them. This explains to you why you have to re-register the vote. If you haven't voted in four years and you didn't vote in the 2024 election, then there's some type of disconnect there.

So we have to connect all that together. It's not enough to say, I need you to vote, I need you to re-register to vote. No, you have to explain to the people the why and the what, and how this impacts every aspect of your life. And the disconnect. And it has to be massive ground mobilization. We can't wait on the Democratic Party.

We can't wait, nobody is coming to save us. And the disconnect, Matt, the disconnect is that the way we communicate issues, they're frankly not in a way where a person goes, wow, got it. And so that's what I'm saying. So again, we can be mad and upset with the purge, but the purge is going to happen.

What I'm saying is we gotta be sitting back and saying, hold up, they brought the purge half a million people because they ain't voted in four years. Why ain't those folks voted in four years? And that means they ain't voted in no election in four years. So what is it? So how can we now, again, mobilize, organize to communicate, to reach them, to touch them,

to teach them, that what has to be happening. And we can't wait until September of 26. It has to be happening now. Yeah, I think the answer is E, all of the above. I think you and Michael were both speaking to it. And I think Michael's point is incredibly important because when people realize the deliverables that they're getting from voting

and or holding people accountable and putting the right people into office, then they recognize the import of casting their vote, right? But not only that, I mean, a rally or one-time sermon or points in time where you're discussing voting rather than sustained efforts through organization is just not going to yield the effects of exactly what you're talking about, making sure you have a sustained drive. And the way you do that is by telling people, unless you go to the polls, these kinds of things are gonna continue happening.

I mean, for instance, when I read the article in preparation of this, it's interesting because the way the Republicans are characterizing this is exactly the opposite. We're cleaning up the rolls, we're doing the right thing, we're making sure that we have people who want to be involved in the process, essentially involved in the process,

and that's not how it should work. Sometimes people aren't gonna check their registration, they're gonna go to the polls, and they're not gonna realize that they. Sometimes people aren't going to check their registration, they're going to go to the polls and they're not going to realize that they're not able to cast their vote. So it's a matter of sustained organization in concert with telling them the benefits and the detriments to not voting. I just, my frustration when these things happen is that we bemoan,

we lament, we're upset by their actions. Their actions has to cause a reaction. And I think where we sit today and what we are seeing, and we're seeing, I talked about it last night, our numbers, if we hit a 70% total turnout of eligible black voters, we can sweep elections all across the board. But I can't get a turnout unless they're registered. I can't get them to register.

I can't get them to register unless I explain to them why the registration matters, then why the vote matters, and then they have to then see a return on their investment. That is, you said you were going to do this and you actually did it, as opposed to broken promises. And we have to break this thing down and stop talking macro and be as micro as possible. And I always talk about it. It has to be an individual, a house, neighbors, street, block,

neighborhood, city, state, country. And I think too often we're operating macro. When I visited Ohio, I was in Ohio, Michigan. I was it I was in, Ohio, Michigan I was in several battleground states last time remember I was in a restaurant. I was in Cincinnati and those are brothers alpha and He said hey man, yeah tomorrow we got photo registration at the game and I was like what game He said oh he said the Bengals game. I said, why? He's like, what do you mean?

I said, why are you doing voter registration in the Bengals game? I said, how many people are gonna be at the Bengals game? Okay, what, hold 60, 70,000? How many people are you actually going to come across? All right, what? Maybe 100, maybe 200. I said, your time is better spent

going to get the data of what are the highest, what are the largest black precincts in Cincinnati? And then looking at that data and then saying, okay, these are the largest black precincts in this particular precinct, they had 400 eligible voters. But in last election, 78 voted. I said, now you can spend your time now trying to target the additional 322. I said, now think about that.

That's just one precinct. Versus the number of people that you might get to register at the football game. I said now imagine if I say your alpha chapter says we're going to target three precincts and our goal is to touch every person didn't vote because the data is right there. It actually shows you who didn't vote. You can literally knock on their door.

Data's right there. I just believe the way many of our groups are approaching this, Ben, I believe they're approaching it the wrong way. I believe what they're doing, they're trying to have a macro approach and they hope people show up. They hope people register. I'm saying take the data say we only are going to focus on this precinct, this precinct, this precinct, and we may very well be able to reach 500, 1000, 1500, 2000 voters.

And now there's a lot more intense as opposed to some of the very broad, big things we do and having and I, those stupid ass rallies that the Harris campaign kept funding. And I was like, what are you doing? Go ahead. No, I absolutely love that idea of the nesting approach. You start with the individual and you broaden it out layer by layer by layer to get to the neighborhood community, to the state, to the nation.

And I think the one of the conversations that has to be had with especially the people whose names are getting ready to be purged is to tell them very directly, they're taking your vote away from you. One thing I know about black people is the way to get us to do something is to tell us what we can't do. And so maybe we need to turn this on its head and make them actually pay for the fact

that they're taking this away. And maybe, just maybe it would incentivize people to realize that, hey, this is something they're taking this away. And maybe, just maybe, it would incentivize people to realize that, hey, this is something they're taking from me, so maybe now it should really matter to me. And I think that the only way we can convey that is on a micro level, one person at a time, one community, one household at a time,

one community at a time. And again, if your church is very simple, it's your church. First of all, if you a a church, you need to survey your members. That is, how many registered voters are in the church? Then how many eligible voters are in the church? Meaning 18 and older, what's the status of somebody who was incarcerated? Does the state have different procedures to get their right to vote back?

You got to walk folks through that stuff. But then every church needs to then say, I need to know the zip code you're in. So now all of a sudden, if this first one, let's be real clear, it's only 4% mega churches in the country, and the average church in America has 100 or less, 100 or fewer people coming to a church. So let's just take a 250 member church. If I then do a survey of every single member in my church,

and I now have this thing broken down by zip code, then I know in my church, and I now have this thing broken down by zip code, then I know in my church where they live, what zip codes that they are in. Now I can target differently. Then what I do as a church, I say, okay, we're gonna do a point, a.05, a.10, a.25 radius around the church.

So we're gonna say we're gonna go from here, four blocks that way, four blocks that way, four blocks that way, and then we're going to canvas door to door. My deal is, keep it simple, it's a whole bunch of churches. Listen, I grew up in Clinton Park in Houston, on Fidelity Road, in our neighborhood, I think there were at least 14 to 18 churches

on Fidelity Road where I grew up. Okay, fine, church, don't do it yourself. Eighteen of those churches come together and say, we're going to canvas the neighborhood ourselves. That to me is the approach that we have to be taking. And so I just don't want to complain about what the Republicans are doing. I want to beat their asses and then change the damn law

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Steering and Policy Committee co-chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, Robin Kelly of Illinois, Nanette Barragana of California. Okay. So today they were at a New Orleans clinic to talk about the House of Louisiana is from Louisiana, Mike Johnson. Louisiana is just ahead of New Mexico in terms of the number of people going to lose Medicaid. But here's what I don't understand. You know what? Play the video first, and then I'm going to tell you what my problem is with what I just

what I'm about to play. The passage of Donald Trump's big ugly bill, HR 1, represents the most devastating attack on America's health care and our nation's history. It cuts more than $1 trillion from health care, including $500 billion from Medicare, putting millions of Americans, including many here in Louisiana, at risk of losing coverage, facing skyrocketing costs and see All right, folks, so we have a technical issue, and so we're going to get that fixed. But I'm going to show you something. And see, this is why I'm really trying not, y'all know I'm trying not to cuss, but this is my problem with that.

You have a news conference. Did y'all get it straight? All right, okay. So you have a news conference in New Orleans that's represented by Troy Carter to raise the issue about the bill that's already been passed. At least go to my iPad. Y'all this right here, this is the congressional district of Mike Johnson. As you see right here, Shreveport, Monroe, Alexandria, it extends all the way down south to Lake Charles. So that's Mike Johnson's district.

Now, first of all, you see right here, you see how this carve out piece right here, this shows you how they gerrymander. Like that makes no sense at all. Like why wouldn't it be a straight shot top to bottom? That's just, but that's how they do these maps. Okay, here's my problem. shot top to bottom. That's just, but that's how they do these maps. Okay. Here's my problem. If you're going to hold, if you're going to hold a news conference,

talking about the devastating effects of the bill, which Mike Johnson voted for, why don't you have it in this district? Why don't you literally go to either Lake Charles or Shreveport or Monroe and you hold this news conference so the local media in Mike Johnson's district can cover it. And then you can rally, then you can rally the people in Mike Johnson's district, the organizations in Mike Johnson's district and ask them and the churches in Mike Johnson's district

and say, I need y'all to challenge him on why did he vote on a bill that's going to hurt his district. Great. All five, great, all five are standing there in New Orleans. Why? for standing there in New Orleans. Why? That's not his district. I, Ben, I said to Obama and his people, why do y'all keep going to suburban Ohio and suburban Maryland and suburban Virginia holding speeches and rallies touting the Affordable Care Act? I said take that shit to the brokeest, sickest, whitest, reddest district and say

I passed this bill for y'all because you are the brokeest you're the sickest and you should be asking Why did your United States senator and your US congressman vote against a bill when you are sick? Ben your thoughts You know rolling at this point I have to think it's a matter of complicity, right? Because at that level of politics, to excuse it away as them not knowing or incompetence, to me, is not acceptable. They have too many highly paid representatives and individuals who plan for them, strategists, consultants, because that's just common sense what you said, right?

And it makes too good of a sense for them to not understand and actually execute it. Go into the belly of the beast. Go into their districts. Go and confront them head on. Talk to the people who are being hurt the most. Talk to the people who voted for them, who are going to be hurt the most. And it's that oversight, it's that inability to see something that simple, which goes back to what one of the brothers on the panel already said, we have to have our own organizing power.

Because if we allow the Democrats to keep doing this, whether it be factlessness or complicity, we're going to keep finding ourselves as black people at the mercy of either a party that is complicit with this power or just too incompetent to actually fight against it. I get it. I get it. You want Louisiana media attention. Okay, I get it.

But that's not who you talk to. Matt, you go and talk to his people and you say, y'all need to be asking him why did he vote against you? What was his reason voting against you? And you say, here are the Medicaid recipients in this district. Here are the number of people in this district on SNAP with SNAP benefits. Here the, that's what you do. You get nothing going to New Orleans. I don't know.

I think I'll be the dissenting voice on this. I don't know that it's as, you know, problematic for the message for it to be down the road in New Orleans as opposed to his district. I get the logic, but one, Louisiana is in a huge state. Two, your first point on this is exactly what I thought. They probably thought that they have a much greater access to a larger swath of media there in New Orleans, and it's not like they can't have that same messaging a hundred miles away. I get the logic.

I think it's a different analysis in Texas or California. If you're talking about LA, you wouldn't go to Sacramento. I think it's a little different in Louisiana. And I think it's really more about the vigor that they deliver the message with to say, Mike Johnson, your own speaker of the house is voting against your interest. Why didn't he vote for the interest

that affect you? I think you say that, but I think doing it in New Orleans does nothing. It doesn't. In that district. It does nothing. I don't think it's as major, and I don't think it has the effect.

Okay, okay, okay, what does it do? Okay, Matt, okay, Matt, what does it do? You're talking in New Orleans, which is represented by representative Troy Carter. What does that get you? He's already a Democrat. You have a lock on his seat. What does that do for you? I mean, I get the logic, Roland, but you're in DC. I'm in Texas. We're talking to people across the country. You mean to tell me that they can't have the same import in their message and the same vigor in their

message a hundred miles down the road I mean I get what you're saying no no no no no no no here's what I'm saying where okay here's what I'm saying the reason you travel to the reason you bring a representative from the House Democratic leader a rep from Illinois a rep from California and a rep from California, and a rep from Florida is you want to amplify the negative impacts of the bill and the person who is the speaker of the house who actually rammed right at the bill through is from Louisiana. So if I am first of all some my strategy here's the first thing. What is my strategy for even holding the event? So let's see.

There's not a US Senate race that's next year, okay? The congressional races are every year. There's the mayoral election in October. They ain't talking local election. They're talking what happens in Congress. So if I am trying, if I am trying to say to the folk who are going to be hurt the most, this guy from this state screwed you, I'm going to his district. Ain't no Mike Johnson voters in New Orleans.

None. Okay, so the media covers it, but that's just like an insular conversation. I'm not reaching. But I don't- I'm not reaching. Go ahead. Yeah, I don't think it is though, right?

I don't think it is because the same phenomenon that you're talking about is applicable to people in all 50 states. I mean, I get that it's Mike Johnson's district is a stone's throw from there in New Orleans, but by that same logic, they could go to Florida. They could go to other places and go to rural wherever. Yes, and if you go to Florida,

and if you go to Florida, go to the district of a Republican who voted for it and hold up the data, because here's the thing. You already know what Fox News didn't cover. So what the goal, for the media goal is, I need to break through and get the message to the folk who may not even be aware of it, that are y'all aware how sick y'all are?

Are y'all, that's a member of Congress from Florida, excuse me, from California. Two thirds of his district are on Medicaid. I will be on his ass. To your point, I ain't going to LA. I'm going to his district and say, see how he voted? Cause I'm trying to take his ass out.

Yeah, and I get the logic. I'm just saying, I don't think it really is a major difference. I think the real analysis needs to be on whether the messaging itself is effective, because right people across the country are going to be affected by the loss of this healthcare number one. And number two, Louisiana is not a huge state. So doing it in New Orleans as opposed to up the road and Mike Johnson's, I think it's

just a different thing than if you did it in Austin and you're talking about El Paso. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I think it's just a different thing than if you did it in Austin and you're talking about El Paso This way that Matt I think you missed it something Matt there's a thing called DMA in Media is called DMA and that is in the DMA the DMA is What is the radius of the television signal? Monroe and Shreveport have their own TV stations. That's why I'm saying. Hakeem is different. Wasn't it run by national media though?

No, that's local news. This is my point. You're not talking national. Every congressional district in America is 850,000 people. It's every congressional district in America is 850,000 people. It's every congressional district. The Democrats lost the House by a combined 1,700 votes. When you look at the races where they lost, 1,700 votes. Okay, 1,700.

They only need to win four or five seats to gain control of the House. So you gotta pick off, you're not picking off US senators, you're picking off individual House members. So my strategy has to be, Michael, I got to, what did we say, hold on, let me find it, remember we pulled it up, we pulled it up. This right here. This right here. This is your goal. This right here, this is your goal.

There are 35 Republican House members who are in purple, sort of purple districts. These are the 35 you target. And here's my point, Troy Carter ain't on this list. So if you're gonna do this, you do it in a place where you can actually flip the seat, Michael. Yeah, this is what you're talking about

is what I term as political pressure points. And Democrats oftentimes don't understand political pressure points. They'll preach to the choir. So they'll go and hold something like this in their own district after the bill is passed, after it's signed into law, things like this. No, you go into Mike Johnson's, Speaker of the House Mike Johnson's red district. And just so people understand, in the state of Louisiana, 1.6 million people are on Medicaid. It's expected that because of the bill that just passed, 158,000 people in Louisiana are

going to lose their Medicaid coverage. And Mike Johnson helped push that bill through and did it to them. So you go to his district and you educate the people in his district what he did. Not only, Roland, will you get local TV coverage, news coverage, you're going to get local radio coverage also. Because radio stations that have news departments, and I used to work at one, they go cover events like this as well. So, you want to educate those people, put pressure on them. And, unfortunately, a lot of Democrats have this 2026 strategy, really, but don't really understand how to implement this and utilize these political pressure points. We will preach to the choir. So, that's exactly what you do.

Now, you have some Democrats that held town hall meetings during a recess, things like this, in Republican districts, right? Continue that strategy, OK, and hold these Medicaid forms like this in these Republic—in these vulnerable Republican districts, these 35 districts, and put the pressure on them. The reason, and again, I need people who are watching and listening to understand why I'm so bothered by this. I go back to what I've said in this previous segment. Not macros micro. They gotta pick them off.

Go to my iPad, you go to Kentucky and you go to this SOB's district. You go to Andy Barr's district. You go to his district. And guess what? Do you know why you go to his district? Because you got a Senate race because Mitch McConnell is retiring.

Kentucky has a Democratic governor. Hey, you could potentially flip Kentucky's Senate seat. That's where you go. I just think again, when I was my first National Association of Black Journalists convention, Ben, we go to New York. A group of us from Texas A&M. So we had luncheons and other events.

And one of my classmates, Roland, why you ain't sitting with us at the luncheon? Cause none of y'all can get me a job. I'm going to sit at a table where I don't know nobody. They were like, damn, I ain't never thought about it that way. That's been what I'm going to tell them my entire life. If I'm Jeffreese, to Michael's point, I'm not going to sit at a table where I don't know nobody. I'm going to sit at a table where I don't know nobody.

I'm going to sit at a table where I don't never thought about it that way. That's been my mentality my entire life. If I'm Jeffreys, to Michael's point, I'm not going preach to the choir. I'm trying to go recruit some new choir members. And wherever I go, I need to have cameras with me. And here's the media tension, Ben, And here's the media attention, Ben, that actually gets to what Matt said. If the Democratic leader, Hakeem Jeffries,

shows up in the congressional district of, matter of fact, if I'm Hakeem Jeffries, give me one second, I need everybody to understand something. House members have congressional offices. So, give me one second, I know it's on here. Boom, right here. Go to my iPad. These are the five congressional districts offices of Mike Johnson. I'm having my news conference outside of his damn office in Ruston, Ben.

And you know where all the coverage is going to be? The coverage is going to be local and it's going to be statewide and it's going to be national. And it will be like, did y'all see what happened today? And it will be like, did y'all see what happened today? Hakeem Jeffries took four Democrats to the district of Speaker Mike Johnson and held a news conference outside of his office and held up placards showing how many people in his own district are gonna be impacted

by Medicaid cuts and snap cuts, the local story then becomes national. They ain't getting no coverage there in New Orleans. Matter of fact, I might be the only show in America that played a little bit of that news conference. America that played a little bit of that news conference. Roland, I feel your angst and I share it because we have to pause and ask ourselves, are these people equal to the task of fighting fascism

as we're facing it right now? And again, I'm of the opinion, I might be one of the few, but I'm of the opinion that I might be one of the few, but I'm of the opinion that they know exactly what they're doing. This is the path of least resistance to get nothing done. There is a path of least resistance to get everything done, to stop MAGA, and you've already laid it out, show up in their neighborhood, show up at their offices,

knock on their doors, that's easy, that's good media, that's good publicity, that's what every politician would actually want if they were actually on our side. So I'm sorry. I'm of the opinion that Hakeem Jefferies may not really want to stop MAGA. I just, I just, listen, I think Michael, I think he does want to stop MAGA. I just think that you have to, I just think that you have to... You got to have...

What Dion always said, I need some folks with some dog in them. Come on. You can't play this thing nice. The old political paradigm is gone. Trump and MAGA has completely demolished that thing. Okay listen, Republican presidential consultant, media commentator David Gergen died today. David Gergen, I'll be him on CNN. David Gergen was very soft, very sensible, how he approach, that don't happen now.

You got to sit here and scrap. You got to say, nah, this is war. This is not this same boxing. This ain't even MMA. Nah, this is straight up. I got to take your ass out politically. And so the strategy has to be, all alright, how can I call attention? How can we drive media attention? How can we build awareness? How can we piss them off? How can we get under their skin? That's how you do it. You say, and matter of fact, my ass would have done this here. I would have said, we gonna be in Louisiana all day, we gonna do one at the, go back to my iPad, we gonna do an event at the, see,

I'm gonna do it at the Ruston office, I'm gonna do one at the DeRidder office, I'm gonna do one at the Bolger City office, and then I'm gonna go to the campus of North, where they got a PO box, Northwestern State and if I say you know what I can't get Hakeem to be at all of them, that ain't a problem. Hakeem you're gonna do one in Ruston and the one closest to Ruston then we gonna send Debbie to one of the other ones and we gonna send Robin to one of the other ones and then we gonna send the other

one from California to the other one, and we gonna sit here and blitz they ass. And you know what the coverage is gonna be? House Democrats call out Speaker Mike Johnson in his own district on Friday. Local media gonna cover it, state media's gonna cover it, national media's gonna coverage. If I'm them, I'm live streaming every single one

of the news conferences, I'm gonna push it on social media and all the blogs and I'm gonna send a signal to everybody in the House leadership, we coming to your district next. And that's what I say, next week, we coming to you. Freedom Caucus, we gonna hit all y'all. That's what I say. Next week, we coming to you. Freedom Caucus, we gonna hit all y'all.

Doc, you got to have, if you're trying to win a game, the game plan that you won with 10, 15 years ago, different game plan. Right. It's a different game plan. Exactly. Because it's a different game. So first and foremost, voters, regardless of whether they're Democrats, Republicans, or independents, they want to vote for a fighter.

They want to vote for somebody who's fighting for them. That goes back to the conversation that we had, I think it was last week when you had Jasmine Crockett on, and I was on, and that's something that you all talked about. So that's number one. Number two, I've said it on this show before and a couple of weeks ago, three weeks ago, so I just finished watching the last episode of the fourth season of Godfather of Harlem.

I've said, we need more politicians like a Bumpy Johnson, because the Bumpy Johnson was straight up fighting the mafia, but he was also trying to protect Harlem and protect his people. So this is a different game that's being played. I think Hakeem Sekou Jeffries wants to defeat MAGA. Okay, I totally understand that and I totally believe that. But the way that you have to go with this,

you're fighting against something that's unorthodox. So you talked about MMA. The reason why people had to start cross training in UFC was because the strikers were getting beaten by the grapplers. That's why strikers, people practicing karate, things like this, had to start studying Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu because they were getting their behinds kicked because it was unorthodox to them. So when you fight against an unorthodox opponent, you have to change your strategy. So this is what has to happen and we have to realize that we have to have real fighters and some of the people who are

Democrat incumbents right now have to be voted out of office in more progressive Democrats they have to have sensible prices just plying to Scott stuff, but sensible progressives who are fighters are going to have to replace them. All right, folks, I gotta go to a quick break. We come back, last one we'll talk about. Marilyn Mosby's conviction overturned. Nigeria basically said to Trump,

hell no, we ain't taking them damn prisoners, undocumented workers. Also, ooh, it's a whole bunch of Trump people like, uh, when you vote for this? Yeah, you did. And I got a couple things to say when it comes to Essence. And a lot of these people all of a sudden are on black owned media experts. Yeah, I'm gonna cover all of that.

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That's next on The Black Table, only on the Black Star Network. All right, y'all. Don't you just love these MAGA people? You're like, oh my God, we didn't vote for this. Oh my goodness, we didn't vote for this. We got a couple for you. Committee Andrew Schultz talked about what's going on. And also the people at More Perfect Union, they put together their own video

showing all of these crying, madder people who are just shocked and stunned that these things are happening. But hashtag, we tried to tell you. Roll it. I believe that about Trump. I believe when Trump, everything he campaigned on, I believe he wanted to do.

And now he's doing the exact opposite thing of every single fucking thing. I don't know what he's done. Yeah, exactly to your point. If you tell me, it's easier for me to believe you wanted to do all these things if any of them were happening in the way that you said they were.

To that point, there'll be people that'll DM me, be like, you see what your boy is doing? You voted for this. I'm like, I voted for none of this. He's doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for. I want him to stop the wars. He's funding them. I want him to shrink spending, reduce the budget.

He's increasing it. It's like everything that he said he's going to do, except sending immigrants back. And now he's even flip-flopped on that, which I kinda like, but he's like, oh, well, we kinda need the people working in restaurants, and we need our farmers. It's like everything that he said that he was gonna do that he campaigned really hard on.

Well, he said to us, which was important, and I thought it was good, he pressed him on it, you gotta start with the criminals in terms of deporting. I don't think, I don't even know if the criminals are getting sent back. I know there's a lot of people with grist, people with green cards getting sent back. There's people who aren't criminals getting sent back. I don't know if you're sending back the criminals first. You're definitely not going to go first. I don't know if you're sending them

back at all. So nothing has happened. My medication, it runs $20,000 a month without insurance. I make $800 a month. Oh, that will kill me. That would kill my friends. without insurance. I make $800 a month. Oh, that will kill me. That would kill my friends. It would kill millions of people in this country if they lose their health care. We're in California's District 22, a rural community in the state's Central Valley. This district voted for Trump for the first time in 2024, but now his policies threaten one of the benefits people here rely on the most. It bothers me when people like Elon Musk say that people on those programs are the parasite class. It's just cruel.

Do you know anyone personally who voted for President Trump but depends on benefits like Medicaid? Oh yeah, oh yeah, I know a lot of people. Trump promised a lot of things. I thought it would be more family values and those programs that really, they really need here. One of those promises was to protect Medicaid, which 67% of people in this district rely on.

It's the largest percentage of any district in the entire country. Can you guarantee that Medicare and Medicaid will not be touched? Yeah, I mean, I have said it so many times, we're not going to touch it. But his administration just proposed an $880 billion cut to Medicaid over the next 10 years. So we wanted to come here to find out how people are feeling about Trump and his administration's decision that could have a huge impact on one of the benefits they rely on the most. One resident who would be impacted by Medicaid cuts is 64-year-old Irma Arradondo, who voted

for Trump in 2024. Irma has several chronic health issues, including type 1 diabetes. She's also a full-time caregiver for her daughter who has cerebral palsy and her sister who has Turner's syndrome. Valerie has her medication for her seizures. She needs to care for everything. I just give her a massage to her hands, her legs. I stay with her until she falls asleep.

Sounds like you take really good care of her. Oh, and my baby is my dog. So you, your sister Irene, and your daughter Valerie, you're all on Medicaid. And how important is Medicaid for your family? Can you imagine? We live on a daily basis with sicknesses. This is for the cholesterol too. This is also for my blood pressure.

So Medicaid pays for all of it? Yes. If you didn't have Medicaid, how much would this cost you? How much money? Thousands maybe. Thousands? Thousands. And that's just for you? Yes. How much money? Thousands maybe. Thousands? And that's just for you? Yes.

Not for your daughter? Not for your sister? No. The medicine that my daughter takes for seizures, I won't be able to afford it. So we feel hopeless if those guys come. You know? What we're going to do? Irma was a farm worker for more than a decade.

She believes that some of her and her children's health issues can be linked to the pesticides she was exposed to while working in the fields. When I was pregnant with my child, I was working in the field. I remember it was this little airplane and sprayed us. But when my baby born, the doctor just said, uh-oh, something's missing. And when he came in my baby, my baby don't have her arm. So with these risks that you and your community face in agriculture, and then to have the system threatened to take away your health insurance, to take

away protection. How does it make you feel? Like I told you, I feel like they're stabbing us in the back, you know? But why? Why when we put food on their tables? You know that we risk our health. Look at me right now. Look at me, how many sicknesses that I have.

The COPD, I didn't have COPD at that time. We got all in the fields. Where else? We're seeking permanent income tax cuts all across the board. The $880 billion in Medicaid cuts proposed in President Trump's budget will help pay to permanently extend his 2017 tax cuts. The largest tax breaks would go to the wealthiest individuals.

Are those your values? No. That's not right. Why are they going to make so many cuts? So many cuts? Where are they going to put that money? Where? In the last election, they were going to put it in the last election, who did you vote for?

I'm embarrassed to tell you. Before, years, all the years back, since I got my citizenship, I say I was a Democrat, but then, in these last elections, I voted for the Republican. Why? Because of my case devotion. For me, the word conservative is to have values. I grew up with values, you know, with the teachings of my parents. WILLIAM BRANGHAM, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The Washington Post, The with the teachings of my parents. Family values. Family values.

Irma isn't the only one in District 22 who feels betrayed by the administration's plan to gut Medicaid. The only people they're hurting are those poor people. People that really need the stuff. Elon Musk doesn't need it. Trump doesn't need it. And, you know, billionaires don't need it. They're making out big time with this, but they're hurting people in the process.

District 22's representative is David Valadeo, a Republican who voted in favor of the budget resolution to cut Medicaid, after initially voicing concerns about how potential cuts to social programs could affect his constituents. If just two Republicans vote no on the final legislation, they could stop Medicaid from being cut. The folks in this district have voted for him because he in the past has been able to stand up against his party. But now he's really stuck between a rock and a hard place because it seems as if the Trump administration

is going to really ask for loyalty from him and for him to play ball on every single issue, not just the issues that play well in this district. And so that might mean that they expect him to vote for things that are gonna hurt his constituents directly. If we could go back to November, who would you vote for now, seeing what you see? Who do you think? You just wouldn't have voted.

None either. It's very sad that there's no political leadership that you feel you can vote for? Maybe, you know, they can't, like you said, democracies or republic. Maybe they have, I'm not going to say that everything is bad, but the most important things. But the only good things is for them. To us, always going to be the good things, you know. You feel that way?

It's always gonna be the bad things? Always. For you. Yeah. I'm embarrassed to say, I don't want to say I voted Republican. Then he asked, if you could go back, I wouldn't vote. Okay, your ass just sat there and literally was crying about you might lose your health care. In fact, I just want y'all to understand logic.

I voted for Republicans because of abortion, because of abortion. But the same Republicans want to take away my health care and I could die. Oh, the same Republicans who claim they are pro-life gutted USAID. That's going to kill millions across the world. Ah, but you voted for them because of abortion. Now, let me be perfectly clear. I know some people who are ardent opponents of abortion. Okay, you're anti-abortion, but are you pro-life?

Cause see, you can't call yourself pro-life if you support people who cut Medicaid because folks will die when rural hospitals shut down, when nursing homes shut down. You cannot call yourself pro-life voting for people who cut SNAP benefits when there's food insecurity in America and people, 30,000 people in America die annually due to hunger. You cannot call yourself pro-life if they are slashing international aid that's keeping people alive, that's keeping people alive when it comes to HIV AIDS, when it comes to

starvation. We could go on and on. Do y'all know that when Trump got in there and Elon Musk got in and they immediately cut off aid, that a 78 year old woman in in a Myanmar camp died because she went to the hospital every day to get oxygen and when they cut the money off, then they couldn't give her the oxygen, and she died. But now you mad? Y'all, that's the silly, dumb shit

we deal with in this country. That ain't no different than all these fools going, I want Trump getting there. God damn it, that's right. It ain't better sit here and get rid of that damn Obamacare. Don't you touch my Affordable Care Act. It's the same thing. I'm sorry, Matt, all I have for them are thoughts and prayers.

I don't revel in people suffering, and I think it's tough for me to know that there are people suffering, but here's the thing. You have to suspend disbelief to vote for Trump when you know, even though he's first off, promised he wasn't gonna touch Medicaid. I mean, Medicaid covers 20% of the American population, 70 million people, something like 40% of children

are on Medicaid and 60% of Medicaid benefits go to the elderly and people in nursing homes, right? So it's really like you had to know what you were voting for and it's now that you're affected. I don't feel any sympathy for that. I don't want to see that people are needlessly suffering. But the other thing is Trump is a known quantity. So it's not like this is a person who's not showing us who he was, how he moves, what his administration was gonna do.

I mean, Michael was talking about, and you, were talking about Project 2025 on this show for a very long time before elections. People knew what they were voting for and they didn't think they were gonna be the ones affected. And now that they're affected, they're calling a mea culpa. And you don't get to do that

because in the meantime that you were casting that vote, you weren't thinking about your fellow citizens who were gonna be affected by those policies. And now that you're cast in that net, it's very hard to feel sympathy for you. But I think we also have a much larger issue with our healthcare system in general and the way it works.

And I think we as a society need to make health care a primary human right so that you know we don't have this patchwork of of beneficiaries and patchwork of benefit systems but I guess that's a conversation for a different time. These folk they are getting everything yes uh yes I Yes, Ben, they're getting everything they voted for. Yeah, I, I, you know, I definitely identify with Matt and not, you know, it is, this is hard for me. And the reason it's hard for me is because the complexity of the issues, but the simplicity of the talking points that Republicans have mastered, for which we don't have a reply to. At least we don't have it in a meaningful way. A book, for example. There are people who will completely shut off every other part of their brain and focus on that

without any reflection or any other layer. And to me, I believe that this is the threshold we had to go through. Unfortunately, we had to come to this place where people would realize you've been had, but we have to make sure they have to understand why they've been had, because they did not look at the issues significantly enough with enough clarity. They were one issue voter, and even on that issue that they voted for, they got played.

And if we don't usher in a generation of a body politic that actually thinks and realize that any party that is trying to sell you something simple as a single talking point like abortion, they're taking advantage of you. But I don't believe that we could have gotten to this place as a nation without going through this dark spot where now people are coming to their senses because it's hurting them. But if we don't seize on this moment and reveal to them, here's why you got played. Here's how you got played, because you leaned on one topic that they're not even true to, which is abortion. If we don't capitalize and capitalize on this moment,

then Republicans are gonna run the same exact play in 2026 and 2028 and going forward. I mean, look, I mean, Michael, Gallup is a new poll out showing massive dissatisfaction with Trump's immigration plans. Republicans love it, but Democrats and independents absolutely not. His supporters cratered. But guess what? We tried to tell you.

Absolutely. Absolutely. So, first and foremost, because I have a list here. Number one, if you are against abortion, God damn it, don't get an abortion. It's pretty simple, okay? And this is what happens when you have single issue voters

because the policies of Republicans decimate all the other issues you care about. You talked about USAID. As I said last week, it's suspected that 300,000 people worldwide have already died because of USAID being cut off. That's from the Boston University analysis. You talk about Medicaid. It's suspected that 51,000 Americans are going to die each year because of loss of Medicaid coverage.

That's Yale University. When we look at MAGA, MAGA is a death coat, okay? Now, what I found interesting here, she said if she didn't vote for Republican, she wasn't gonna vote. I don't think she mentioned Kamala Harris at all, like there wasn't a viable alternative. And this gets to something deeper.

I don't know this woman, my heart goes out to her. But also we have to realize we're dealing with sexism in this country. And we're dealing with racism in this country. You nice, my heart doesn't go out to her, but go ahead, I'm sorry. Okay, we're dealing with sexism in this country. We're dealing with racism in this country and within the Latino community, which is

broad. You're talking about people coming from different countries. There is also a bias towards African Americans because some Latinos identify more with their white ancestry than their Afro-Latino ancestry or Native American ancestry, what have you, okay? So we're dealing with these multiple issues, but yeah, hashtag we tried to tell you, but this is what happens when you're stuck on stupid. What did my homeboy say in that,

when a white woman called me the N word? I'm sorry, it's above me now. It's above me now. All right, y'all, speaking of stupid, oh. You know what? Mainstream media, right-wing, anything that Joe Biden said, these folks lost their damn mind. This is the dumb shit that Trump does.

The White House literally put this on Twitter, y'all. Of him dressed like Superman. And see, now, pull the tweet up. Pull the tweet up. Y'all have it. It's stupid. And what kills me is, again, if a Democrat had done any of this, if Kamala Harris had, Joe Biden,

they would be losing their mind. But see, they have normalized his sheer stupidity. The man posted the other week he was selling cologne. I mean, and again, it's like, oh, crazy ass. That's just Trump joking, that's just Trump joking. But these maggot people really are stupid. So you know the new Superman movie came out. And Lord, they are losing their mind, y'all. They are losing their

mind, they are mad because the director, the director did the movie and he talked about Superman being an immigrant. And ooh, y'all mad I lose it. I mean, they have been like really angry. They've been angry, they upset, they mad. They've been doing deep dives on a fictional movie, y'all, because James Gunn, the director, made clear how he was gonna portray the character. And they sit in, look at this, they've gone woke. They've gone woke.

Dean Gabe, Dean Cain, look at this here. Dean Cain. Superman is always stood for truth, justice, and the American way. And the American way is immigrant friendly. Okay? Tremendously immigrant friendly, but there are rules. I think that was a mistake by James Gunn to say it's an immigrant thing, and

I think it's gonna hurt the numbers on the movie. Really? Really? gonna hurt the numbers on the movie. Really? Really? That's you, Dean Cain? Y'all know Dean Cain played Superman? I think Dean Cain forgot this scene. ...integration and naturalization. We just need a quick look at your green card.

Green card. Help the audio up, please! Superman, I'm afraid until we get this cleared up, I'm gonna have to ground you. ["The Last Supper"] Superman, Emily Stevens. Oh, hold up, hold up. I think y'all missed this. I'm going to play it again. So, Kane like, hey man, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't be talking about no immigrant stuff. And Superman, is this you, Dean?

Superman, Emily Stevens with immigration and naturalization. We just need a quick look at your green card. Green card? You are an alien, are you not? No. I'm not an alien. I'm not an alien. I'm not an alien.

I'm not an alien. I'm not an alien. I'm not an alien. I'm not an alien. I'm not an alien. I'm not an alien. you Dean? Superman, Emily Stevens with immigration and naturalization. We just need a quick look at your green card. Green card? You are an alien are you not? Superman I'm afraid until we get this cleared up I'm gonna have to ground you. Um, feel kind of stupid. He feels kind of stupid right now, Michael. Like they literally had a scene of immigration naturalization rolling up on you saying you ain't got your green card. They're idiots.

Yeah, you know, Dean Cain starred on the TV show Lois and Clark, I think it was called back in the 1990s, playing Superman. Yeah, this is probably coming back to haunt him. I saw some of his comments about this movie. And yes, Superman is an immigrant from another planet that comes and saves America, saves the world. But to say that they're going to lose viewers and things like this, people going to the movie. I'm not so sure about that because of this take on it,

but at the same time, let's just be honest, DC movies don't do that well in the first place. Okay, let's just be honest, okay? DC movies don't do that well in the first place. I don't know anybody that was waiting for a new Superman movie to come out. I'm sorry, okay? But at the same time, yeah, this is ridiculous coming

from the White House. This is what you, okay, you got Texas floods, you got over a hundred people missing, and this is the nonsense that the White House puts out on X, okay, Donald Trump. But at the same, but it's important to note that I think black women are gonna be Donald Trump's kryptonite. Well, well, what was dumb, like literally, look at this tweet. This is from this idiot Clay Travis, okay, right winger. He goes, so Laura Travis, the only lawyer,

former NFL cheerleader, superhero, movie nerd combo on the planet, says Superman is clearly a legal immigrant. And she texts me this four-part legal analysis that makes it crystal clear. Now y'all, I'm not playing that bullshit. I'm not playing it at all. It's like a four and a half minute video. But that shows you how stupid you are. So now they try to say, no, no, no, no, no. But Superman is a legal immigrant. And they, oh, I'm sorry. Dean Cain says it's gonna hurt the box office. And Michael said, well, I don't know.

I don't know if it's gonna, I don't know what it's gonna do. According to Deadline.com, Superman leaps to 55 million on Friday, now flying to 115 million opening. I think MAGA looks pretty stupid right now, Ben. Folk don't give a shit what they think about Superman being an immigrant.

They're flocking to the movie theater. Yeah, one thing we know about MAGA is they don't care about how stupid they look. They, that doesn't faze them. But I would like to lean in on one thing. I think this is, bear with me, but I think this is a sign of their fascism more than anything else.

Because one of the, there's two things that fascism has to do. One, it has to rewrite myths. It has to make sure that there's no story, no narrative, no archetype in our lexicon that goes against them. And so if they have to rewrite Superman, they'll do it no matter how stupid it makes them look in public. And then the other thing is memory. They have to erase memory. They need a generation to be born that never remember the fact that Superman has always been all

of our comic books for that matter, all of our science fiction from Star Trek to X-Men. All of it has been woke to make, you know, to put a fine point on it. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing that cracks me up. You know, Matt, see, MAGA's issue is they want everything done through the prism of whiteness, and especially white men. Because that's also who controls media. All these cats with these shows, they're white men. Jesse Waters, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, Clay Travis, what's that other idiot, Buck Sexton, Eric Erickson, all these white guys, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And they're complaining what often, you know, looks like, um, look at this here. Look at this James Gunn, Superman made 22.5 million in box office previews. The biggest of the year so far. I guess MAGA's whining and complaining that no impact. Matt. Oh, well, I have four thoughts.

The first is if Superman is listening, I don't think you're subject to the jurisdiction of earthly laws. So I'm happy to represent you for free being a citizen of Krypton, number one. Number two, as it relates to immigrants, one of the things I think is very interesting here is the fact that Trump is now reversing course

because he realizes that he wants to exploit the immigrants who are here working the jobs that Americans don't want to work. Let's be honest about it. That's the real hustle here is that where they're OK with exploitive conduct, where they're OK with getting more of you know, conduct, where they're okay with getting more of a benefit than they give, they're okay with allowing that immigration.

I will never forget. I knew a woman years ago, diehard Republican, who said, oh, I'm so against illegal immigration. But then she whispered, but you know who you need to hire when you need a fence built. And that's exactly what this situation is, which is, oh, now we're going to reverse course because because we wanna make sure there are people there picking the fruit that Americans don't wanna pick. As to the AI thing, you know, I think that is part and parcel with a lot of why we're seeing this F around and find out is that people have latched onto the cult

of Trump as a personality and not what he's actually gonna do as a politician. And that's why the White House, it's crazy that the White House is tweeting out pictures like that. He's selling Teslas on the White House lawn. He's selling all the things that he's selling because for him, it's another grift. But for people who have bought into that cult, the pageantry of the Trumpism, it's about him. And it's not about anything else. It's not about the actual political part of it. And the idea that it was going to kill the box office or whatever, I mean, that's just another, you know, It's about him and it's not about anything else. It's not about the actual political part of it.

And the idea that it was gonna kill the box office or whatever, I mean, that's just another, you know, unsubstantiated thing, but it's ridiculous with immigration in particular, because all these people are in favor of immigration until they can exploit the immigrant and then they're okay with them being here. And that to me is abhorrent and morally dishonest.

Well, you can always bank on the idiots, but I also love it sometimes when the clap back is great. So for instance, Nigeria, Trump has been telling all his African countries and others, y'all gonna take a look what we send you. Well, they'd be like, no, we ain't quite doing that. We ain't doing that. So I remember he met with these five African leaders Oh, we ain't quite doing that. We ain't doing that. So, um,

I remember he met with these five African leaders earlier this week. Okay. Earlier this week. And what happened? The Nigerian, uh, the Nigerian leader said, Hmm, this is the, it's a foreign minister in Nigeria, you self to guard. Uh, he said, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and go flavor, flave, uh, on this one. Roll it. He said, you know what, I'm gonna go ahead and go flavor, flavor on this one, roll it. Considerable pressure on African countries to accept Venezuelans deported,

to be deported from the US, some straight out of prison. It will be difficult for a country like Nigeria to accept Venezuelan prisoners into Nigeria. We have, in the famous words of, I don't know if you know, the US rap group called Public Enemy. If you do, then you'll remember a line from Flavor Flav, a member who said, Flavor Flav has problems of his own. I can't do nothing for you men. We have enough problems of our own. We cannot accept Venezuelan deportees to Nigeria for crying out loud. We already have 230 million people.

You will be the same people that would castigate us if we acquiesce to accepting Venezuelans from U.S. prisons to be brought in. Are we under pressure? Are we under pressure from the Americans, from the U.S. prisons to be brought into Nigeria. Are we under pressure? Are we under pressure from the Americans, from the U.S.? These are some of the discussions that have been ongoing, not just with Nigeria, but also with other countries. My man let now. Now we good.

We good. Maddie let now. Flavor Flav. It's we good, we good. Maddie, let now, flavor, flavor flub. It's flavor flub, said. No, we good, we good. I just think you got to be arrogant as hell, Ben, to go, oh, we going to see you whoever we want to see in you if they ain't from your country.

And y'all better take them. Yeah, there's no shortage of immigrants in Donald Trump and the magnet where it gets the absurdity of thinking that they could apply pressure to get that done, and just the absurdity of wanting to do it, right? But they're hanging this deportation thing as a threat over everyone, and they're also extending this threat to black people

on a regular basis across social media. They're pitching it as a threat. But if I could just invert that on its head, I mean, to get a free ticket out of Babylon before the fall or to get a free ticket out of Egypt before the 10 plagues commence, I mean, because what Donald Trump is really doing to this country, it might be doing these immigrants a favor to get them out of here first. So anyone who's threatening to deport me, I honestly, Roland, at this point, I might take a free trip. For all of my African friends, do this here. If Trump pulls this stuff again,

If Trump pulls this stuff again, y'all need to comment. This is all they gotta do, Michael. It comes from Friday. To all my African friends, y'all ain't gotta say nothing. This is universally known in black America. Man, get out here with that bullshit. That's all they got to say. Gone. Gone.

Well, I appreciate Yusef Tugar referencing Public Enemy. They're a very influential hip hop group, and one of their anthems was Fight the Power. And this is exactly what Nigeria is doing. Hopefully, President Tenbu does not acquiesce to Donald Trump. Hopefully, Nigeria will stand strong. Yes, they have their own problems. No, they don't need to acquiesce to a dictator, a tyrant trying to deport people to a third country, just like they did eight men to South Sudan. OK, so this is this is something good. I hope it I hope it continues. But this is how Donald Trump thinks of African nations and African leaders that he

collectively refers to as S-hole countries. He thinks he could just bully them and do whatever. And they're just going to accept it. He thinks he can just bully them and do whatever, and they're just going to accept it. Okay, so Africa has to unite and push back against this wannabe dictator, this tyrant. Yeah, they right now ain't taking nobody. Uncle Dan, what you think?

All right, y'all, going to break, we'll be right back. Roland Martin unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Next on the Black Table with me, Greg Carr. We look at one of the most influential and prominent Black Americans of the 20th century. His work literally changed the world. Among other things, he played a major role in creating the United Nations. He was the first African American and first person of color to win the Nobel Peace Prize. And yet today, he is hardly a household name. We're talking, of course, about Ralph J. Bunch.

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Rastiyala. For Baltimore State's attorney, Mary Lovell, we got some good news today. An appeals court ruled in her favor overturning her mortgage fraud conviction. The U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals voted 2-1 that her case was, quote, improperly tried. That's right, improperly tried. In Maryland, Judge Stephanie Thacker and G. Stephen Agee supported the form prosecuted. Judge Paul Niemeyer wrote a separate opinion agreeing with part of the majority decision and dissenting on other points.

The court stated that the jury had received erroneous instructions regarding the proper venue for the case in upholding Mosby's two perjury convictions. The panel agreed with the trial judge's determination that evidence concerning her retirement fund withdrawals was both relevant and admissible. All right then folks, now let's talk about this Emile Bov. Of course, he is really someone who has no business serving on the federal bench in a lifetime appointment. So when you give a questionnaire to turn

to the Senate Judiciary Committee, well, he didn't answer the question as to whether or not Donald Trump could serve a third term. He also offered no perspective on what happened on January 6th. Now, a whistleblower has come forward with notes showing that Bo pretty much said, F the Supreme Court, we can do what we want when it came to Abrego Garcia.

Boeve was asked that if he agreed with the 22nd Amendment, which prohibits a third term, he said it wasn't appropriate for him to answer quote an abstract hypothetical scenario. I'm sorry, Matt. I don't recall a constitutional amendment being abstract. No, it's not. And you know, to add to this, I saw some lawyers primarily from New York talking about this where one of their wives had worked with him and was like sounding the alarm, like under no circumstances can this guy become, you know, be on the federal bench. That what you see out in public is worse than what is,

I mean, sorry, what you see behind closed doors with him is worse than what you're seeing out in public. And if you recall, if I remember correctly, he's the one who wrote that really strongly worded letter about dismissing the case against Eric Adams when the Southern District of New York U.S. attorney and her staff that were formerly U.S. attorney didn't want to dismiss it. If you remember that, it was pretty heavy-handed. So none of this surprises me. But what's scary about this is, you know, I mean, the way the Supreme Court is ruling these days and the way the executive is given unfettered power via those rulings, you know, there's no real check on this, especially when you have a Congress that may pass him through, right?

I mean, because they've got control of the Congress. So that's really, it's a terrifying thing, but here's a perfect example of a person who, we really should have major questions about their temperament to be a judge and just their ability to be a fair jurist. Because right before I came on the show, I was talking to our runner here at the law firm

about how in Texas, we're one of the few places where you can still directly elect a judge. And ironically, I was telling him, the reason I think that's a problem is because a judge should not be partisan. You shouldn't step into her courtroom and say, she's a Republican, I'm not going to get a fair deal. Well, with the mill both, that is precisely what you're doing because in all the capacities he's worked in, he's made it exceedingly clear that his job is to advance Donald Trump's

agenda. So when you go into his federal courtroom, you are not going to get a fair shaker. You should at least have a very healthy skepticism about whether you will. And that's a problem, especially when you're shielded by the highest office in the land.

Michael, he calls it hypothetical. Last I checked, FDR was elected four times. He's the reason why the 22nd Amendment was passed. 22nd Amendment. It was passed in 1947, ratified in 1951. So actually it's not hypothetical. We actually have an example and the example is why we have the 22nd Amendment. Right.

Well, he didn't want to comment on that because Donald Trump back in April said that he could serve a third term. Okay. And he also said when he was interviewed by Kristen Welker for Meet the Press, he also said that his attorneys had figured out ways for them to do it. And I researched this and they are absolutely correct in it, but they have to go to court to do it. There's a difference. Everybody has to understand this. There's a difference between running for a third term and serving a third term. He can't run for a third term, but there are three ways he can serve a third term without changing the U.S. Constitution. And it will get challenged in court. I guarantee you, by the time it goes to court, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Leto would have resigned from the Supreme Court, and he would

have appointed two more Supreme Court justices. And it involves Section 2 of the 25th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution that nobody's talking about. I can elaborate if you want me to, because I've researched this. This is Donald Trump can serve a third term. He can't run for a third term. There's a huge difference. Okay. And what we need to look at is how- No, hold on. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

If anybody listening. Go ahead. Anybody listening? No, it's not that he can serve a third term. No court, no court has, that this legal theory there floating, no court has ruled on that. They are saying- No, I said they have to go to court.

Right, what I'm saying, but you said he can serve a third term. What I'm saying is, no court is ruled on whether it's elected or serve any of that at all. They are floating that legal theory at the Constitution in terms of what the 22nd Amendment says. Go ahead. Well, it's also about the 12th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. So they'll go to court to fight this. But they got to—I think they got a good chance of winning, because by the time this gets to the Supreme Court, Clarence Thomas and Samuel Little would have resigned. They would have retired.

I'm sorry, would have retired. And he gets to— Yeah, but that has nothing to do with it, because the reality is they rule for him and everything anyway. Yeah, no, no. What I'm saying is, is it will be, it will be five Supreme Court justices he would have nominated. Got it.

Even though it's not a guarantee, if all five rule for him, then it can. Well, he's been pissed off with Coney Barrett or Gorsuch ruling against him or even Kavanaugh. So I'm saying this, so that's immaterial. The bottom line is what they're doing is the reason both Ben, the reason both does not want to address it because he believes it. And so that's what Trump appointed him. He wants him on the federal, he wants him on the federal bench. Hold on, Ben. Yeah, no, we're seeing the complete and total seizure of the judiciary, one judge at a time. Right. And we see this across all the different levels of the judiciary. one judge at a time. We see this across all the different levels of the judiciary. And this is the plan that 2025, as well as Donald Trump and his own

individual plan, this is what they have been planning and rolling out and executing with the efficiency. We have seen several of the Supreme Court pick a tool against Donald Trump, but then we've also seen in some of the most critical decisions, they fall right in line. And so the Federalist Society, along with all of these organizations, they are prepared to make this happen on behalf of Donald Trump. And I think we have to govern ourselves accordingly. Like this is, if we know the play, if we know the plan, we have to absolutely undermine it with every possible way that we can. I mean, I don't know exactly what all we can do, but we can't simply sit back and watch it unfold and be surprised when it happens.

Can I comment on that? Yeah, real quick. First of all, we gotta realize, yes, it can happen. Because if people think the shit can't happen, then they won't fight against it. Well, I mean, I was thinking, hold on, hold on. Obviously, it can happen because at the end of the day, the Supreme Court can make any ruling whatsoever.

So, we understand that. But it will be a significant legal fight if it actually gets to that. Okay, go. Yeah, yeah, significant legal fight. Now here's the thing. Donald Trump, because so much attention back in April was shined on him serving a third term and stories were being written about it. Then he backed away from it, right?

Just a couple of days ago, Laura Ingraham was in the White House and he unveiled Trump 2028. I think it was a jersey or something like that. No, no, he actually, actually that was like a month ago. He actually did the exact same thing. Okay, but here's the thing. He backed away from that. First of all, he actually actually that was like a month ago. He actually did the exact same thing. Okay. But he backed away from that. First of all, him backing away is irrelevant. They've been selling that. Hold up. They have been, hold up.

They have been actually selling Trump 2028 merchandise. Okay. Now 20 seconds go. Yeah. But this story here puts the focus back on it. Right. And then you have Emil Bove saying he doesn't want to comment on it. Right. Okay? Well, first of all, again, that's people... Which is another reason why his, frankly, his nomination is trouble across the board.

And hopefully you have some of these Republicans who will have some guts. And there have been some other... Testicular 42. There have been some other judicial nominees that have actually, they've actually pulled off of the table as a result of just them being too troublesome. So again, that's what we certainly hope happens in this case. Folks, I got to cut it short.

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