#RolandMartinUnfiltered - New Minneapolis ICE Shooting Video, Philly Sheriff Warns ICE, Black Women Jobless Spike

Episode Date: January 10, 2026

1.9.2026 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: New Minneapolis ICE Shooting Video, Philly Sheriff Warns ICE, Black Women Jobless Spike Minnesota's state agencies have been banned from participating in the investigation of the murder of Renee Good, who an ICE agent killed. We'll discuss the misleading statements Kristi Noem has made regarding the shooting.  Atlantic reporter Adam Serwer will explain how the Trump Administration has perfected the art of the smear campaign. Capitol Hill has been tense since Wednesday's shooting. Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett passionately addresses Republicans who criticized her choice of words regarding Renee Good's death. You won't want to miss that exchange. We'll also show the confrontation between a Minnesota Uber driver and Border Patrol agents questioning his citizenship.   Virginia Congressman James Walkinshaw will join us to discuss various topics, including the House vote on Affordable Care Act subsidies and the situation in Venezuela. Megyn Kelly is facing backlash for her praise of white nationalist Nick Fuentes. In our Black Star Network Marketplace, we'll introduce you to a mother whose search for safer options for herself and her children inspired her to create the plant-based haircare brand Loc-Sanity. #BlackStarNetwork partner: Fanbasehttps://www.startengine.com/offering/fanbase This Reg A+ offering is made available through StartEngine Primary, LLC, member FINRA/SIPC.  This investment is speculative, illiquid, and involves a high degree of risk, including the possible loss of your entire investment. You should read the Offering Circular (https://bit.ly/3VDPKjD) and Risks (https://bit.ly/3ZQzHl0) related to this offering before investing. Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is, of course, also the jobs report comes out. The economy under Trump has absolutely sucked. I thought he's supposed to be better for the economy, the Vice President of Kamala Harris. Well, we knew that was a lie. It's time to breathe the phone, a rolling mark on the filter on the Black Star Network. Let's go. Our social media has been ablaze with a new video from the perspective of one of the ice officers who shot and killed Renee Good.

This video gives us a direct account of what took place. And if they think that this somehow helps their case, they're absolutely wrong. Watch this. Same plate when you come talk to us later. That's fine. You have citizen. You want to come at us? I say go get yourself some lunch, big boy.

Go ahead. Now the car. Get out of the fucking car. Get out of the car. Folks, you see exactly what took place right there. So I want to play the video again so you can have a better understanding. And so you see Renee Good. You see she's smiling.

No big deal. And then the officers, they decide to take their particular action. This is absolutely crazy. Roll the video again. And wait when you come talk to us later. That's fine. U.S. citizen. You want to come at us? I say go get yourself some lunch, big boy. Go ahead.

Out the car. Get out of the fucking car. Go out of the car. Yo, that is real. In other than County, DA, makes it clear that this officer, Jonathan Ross, is going to be charged for the death of Renee Good. This is beyond shameful, which actually took place. Now of this video is coming out. And a lot of folks are talking about what's going on. here. Retired FBI agent, U.S. Air Force veteran and crime fiction author, Steve Lazars. He put this video out talking about how this should have gone down. Watch this. Here's my take on the Minneapolis ice shooting. Not from the standpoint of a politician or an activist, but through the lens

of a 30-year career in law enforcement. I'm going to start by stating the obvious. I wasn't there. I haven't seen what happened before the video starts. That said, the more I watch it, the angrier I get. I spent 18 of my 22 years in the FBI as a firearms instructor. I didn't just teach agents how to shoot. I taught them when to shoot. One principle we hammer home was simple. Deadly force is never authorized merely to stop a fleeing suspect. Yes, if a vehicle is being used as a weapon, that changes the analysis.

But nothing in this video supports that. If anything, it appeared the driver was just trying to avoid the agents altogether. Normally, I give law enforcement the benefit of the doubt when it comes to dealing with high-stress situations. But I can't do that here. At a minimum, this shooting reflects a failure of training and supervision. The deeper question, however, is whether law enforcement agencies are selecting and properly vetting people with the temperament and judgment required to make irreversible life and death decisions in seconds. Yeah, that's actually the case right there.

Robin Wongley is a member of the Minneapolis City Council. She's the Minneapolis City Council Minority Leader Robin joins us right now. And this is obviously Robin Royaled the city. We're now back. Minneapolis is now, you know, the center of conversation when it comes to law enforcement shooting. And to have also have the federal government literally say we don't even want the state or the city involving investigation shows that, frankly, they want to cover this up. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. And I don't think it's, well, it's not short of a coincidence that where Brunay Good was shot and killed by a federal ICE agent on Wednesday morning. It happened just a few blocks away from where George Floyd was also killed by a Minneapolis police officer by the name of Derek Chauvin back in the May of 2020. And we're seeing similar responses happen in that. We're seeing the Trump administration, which at that time, it was our own city leadership in response to George Floyd's murder, trying to craft a smear campaign and mischaracterization of who the victims are. We're seeing the Trump administration do that by framing Renee Good as an aggressor and thus warranted of the, basically warrant of her death, warned of the officer shooting and killing her. And we heard the same. Many, you know, the stories put out about George Floyd and how somehow Derek Charlven kneeling on his neck was not the cause of him dying. Even though also in both cases, there's video footage that shows clearly what happened that these people were murdered at the hands of a law enforcement officer.

And what I'm also very proud of in this fact is same in 2020. our residents didn't wait for federal action to come in, intervene, to get justice for George Floyd. They organized for it. And we're doing the same here. That was one of the first demands that we put out was that the federal agent responsible for Renee Goods murder. His name is Jonathan Ross should be arrested and prosecuted. And when the BCA and when our state leaders started to move in a way as if they were retreating from it, our residents continue to organize and put pressure on elected. officials to say, no, you need to see this through. Because if we allow this to happen, this sets a new standard for our federal administration as they're invading and occupying other cities under this campaign of cruelty that they're using under the guise of immigration and keeping community safe and going after the bad guys, they're going to use that as a way

to give federal agents the right to kill with impunity. We fought against that even amongst regular cops and Black Lives Matter following George Floyd's murder. We said, if you have a match, you do not have a license to kill. And the same applies here. And just as we got justice for George Floyd, we are going to organize and get justice for Renee Good and all of our residents who've been kidnapped and adopted at the hands of these violent federal ICE agents

and set a new standard that you don't get to do this. And you won't do this in Minneapolis. Yeah. And what you have here is what's Donald Trump do? He's now sent more federal law enforcement. with too many apples. Yes. He's now sent Border Patrol. I would say actually, speaking of Black Lives Matter,

one of our key leaders was actually sprayed with chemical air irritants by a Border Patrol officer right after Renee Good was murdered on Wednesday. So it shows very clear that this whole story that they've been telling to the American people that, again, immigrants are your problem. You know, this is why we need to go after those. This is why we need a billion dollars to fund the ICE agency and the FBI to go after these people. It just shows it's actually a lie. They are going after everyone.

And they tried this out in my home city of Chicago when they went in and said, we're going to take out violent, you know, immigrant and criminals and things that nature. But somehow you're on the south side detaining black residents over there. in their apartment buildings. How did we get there? And we're seeing the same thing here. They said they came in for immigrants, but you end up shooting a 37-year-old white woman on a Wednesday morning. Now you're shooting chemical irritants at black residents. We just got word today that a U.S. citizen was also detained here in Minneapolis during one of their raids. So it's very clear that no one is safe when ICE is present. And that is the agenda of the Trump administration. They don't aim to

make our country or our community safe. They want to make sure that they can use brunt force to silence any type of opposition to their racist and very profit-driven agenda nationally. And they want to use federal agents. Their law enforcement arm as a vehicle to normalize that violence and to enact that violence. And then they expect us to take it lying down. And once again, I'm glad that Minneapolis, we have our deep history here of advocacy and organizing. and we're showing no, we will not. We will get justice. We will arrest your federal agent,

and we will hold you accountable for infringing upon our own rights as a state to protect our residents using your federal ICE agent. Well, it goes to show you exactly how they operate and how they move. And so we're going to see what happens next. Don't be surprised if Donald Trump does all he can to protect this officer. And again, he can protect them on the federal charges, but he cannot do anything when it comes to state charges. Exactly.

And that's why I'm so proud of our leaders, specifically our Hennepin, Penh County Attorney, as well as our Attorney General Keith Ellison, our Hennepin County Attorney is Mary Moriotti, that they said, look, we're standing 10 toes down on delivering justice for Renee Good. And we're not going to just retreat because the federal government said so. They're launching their own independent investigation. That was another main rallying cry and demand that we heard off the ground. This officer needs to be prosecuted. And we need to have an independent investigation because there is no way that we're going to have the...

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independent investigation. We're going to trust the villains in our own community to deliver the evidence that we need to put this man away behind bars. And we know we can do this because we've done it before. It was a young black woman by the name of Darnella Frazier who filmed George Floyd's murder in 2020. And again, at that time, the city was working to basically cover up his murder. And had it not been for Darneller Frazier recording that, as well as dozens of residents recording and gathering evidence and footage of what actually transpired.

If it wasn't for them, we would not have had that victory. And so I'm glad that our elected leadership also knows it's the residents here who were on the ground, who know what happened, that capture what happened. And they're going to play an essential piece or role and making sure that a thorough investigation happens that leads to Jonathan Ross, the federal agent responsible for Renee Goods murder. be put behind bars just like we did with Derek Chauvin and the other officers involved with George Floyd back in 2020. All right then. Count Zulman, we appreciate it.

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agents decide to roll up in her county and showing their ads. Watch this. I'm Rochelle to Sheriff for the city and county of Philadelphia. And I say her name. Renee Good. Renee Good. Renee good. Renee good. This should not have happened, but we're here today.

Let know that law enforcement professionals, real ones, not the fake made-up ice, probably trumps a new army to attack citizens of the United States. Did you hear what I said? No law enforcement professional wears a mask. None. None. Those that come into our communities wearing a mask to commit crime, and thank God for our district attorney Larry Krasner, who say he's going to lock him up. And I'm saying now, we are not going to whisk you away for them to hide your identity because when you do it there, you're getting arrested there. No whisk away for them to hide your identity. you. None of that here. None of that here. Law enforcement professionals do not shoot at moving vehicles. Not saying fleeing because she wasn't fleeing. She was getting out of the way. Law enforcement professionals do not stand in front of moving vehicles invoking an action that is illegal. No, we don't.

And so we stand here today with all those who stand against the made up fake, what you can call ICE professional law enforcement. I don't call them none of that. I call them made up fake wannabe law enforcement because what they do is against not only legal law but the moral law. So I'm with the DA and we will work with them if any of them want to come in this city and commit a crime, You will not be able to hide. Nobody will whisk you off. You don't want this smoke.

Because we will bring it to you. And the fake whatever they call them, because I can't say the name, but the criminal in the White House would not be able to keep you from going to jail. Renee Good should be here today. And to her family, we are saying law enforcement professionals are not the ones here in this city that would do that. But here's the last thing that I would say. Law enforcement professionals around the country do their job, and we have been fighting for

years to build that bridge between us and our communities. You had one negative nutcase. that causes this problem and now we all have to fight again to let people know law enforcement works with communities these crimes would not be down and we didn't have communities work with us

showing us right now is the sheriff from Philadelphia County Rochelle, glad to have you on the show so you cut right through the chase you got Maga folks mad at you seen but also is that the only Look, they're black sheriffs in New York.

Excuse me, in North Carolina have made it clear they were not going to cooperate with ICE. We saw the black police chief in Illinois, how they were just running rough shot over them and just ignoring them and treating them like crap in one of the Chicago suburbs. Yeah, well, yeah, the magging people are really mad because I'm getting all kinds of threats, but I ain't a scared person. I've never been. I've been in this position before. I shut down a racist website called Dome Lights where police officers.

Philadelphia at their desk, at their job, spitting out hate against black people. And I got threats from them. So this ain't no new place. I'm not scared at these folks. We need to start standing up and saying you're not coming in our city and just run crazy over here. You're not going to do that. We got a district attorney that says you commit a crime. He's going to lock you up. Okay, and we'll transport you to where you need to go. Not whiskey a way to hide your identification, not do none of that. We're going to stand 10 toes down on standing up for the citizens of the city

and doing our job. You know, and the thing here is they know they have somebody sitting in the White House who will let them do whatever they want, and they have grossly disrespected local law enforcement. Normally, when you're the fans, when you come into a state, you talk to the police chief,

to the sheriff, to talk to the state police. These folks are like, we don't give a damn what y'all think. We can do what we want, when we want, and we expect y'all to follow behind us. Let me, ICE has been in cities way before this type of situation and have cooperated. Came with warrants, was respectful, worked out situations. Not these. Not these. Do you know, I get this information that they get 47 days of training?

47, that means they don't even know what they're doing out here in our neighborhoods. And at some point, every neighborhood around the country need to stand up and say, no, we're not going to take this. And if you come in our cities and commit a crime, if your district attorney don't want to lock them up, then you need to get a new one. But ours here said he's going to lock them up, and that's exactly what we're doing. The sheriff's off of a transport prisoner, so we will transport you. The thing here is I was having a conversation with a black conservative who was defending law enforcement. And I said, dude, we don't know if these people are real law enforcement. He said, yes, they are.

I said, no, we don't. I said, we don't know if these are proud boys. These are oathkeepers. We don't know if they're bounty hunters. You don't have names. You don't have faces. I said, so we don't know. They're just grabbing anybody.

And these folks are just doing whatever. They're busting windows. They're costing people. They're just rolling up on folks. We're going to play a video later. It's about a 70-minute video. where his African brother in Minneapolis was giving them the business. And then they were demanding his information.

They eventually walked away. They had no legal basis to stop him. And it was like eight or ten of them surrounding his brother. Well, you probably need eight or ten of them on one person because they scared. No, they don't have any identification. No ID. They put mask on. And you are right.

Because law enforcement professionals don't wear masks. unless you have to, you know, cover up to testify so they don't know who you are if you was undercover. But they don't walk out of their mess. If you're doing the right thing, you stand on who you are and the law in that city. They don't wear masks. These people coming in with masks, and I'm with you. I don't know if they're the oak boys, the proud boys, the boy boys. I don't know if they're nuts of the insurrection on January the 6th. are these the failed ones that couldn't get into police departments, couldn't get into the FBI, couldn't get into the DEA, and they're taking them because they know it they stand to so low that they take anything and anybody? No, professionals, law enforcement people do the right thing they abide by the law.

Not saying they perfect because none of us are perfect. But the one thing they don't wear is a mask out there because they stand on the law. these are not standing on the law. That's why they try to hide their identity. I think they're scared. And if they ain't scared, take your mask off. Step up like a man or woman you think you are and come into these cities unmasked

and claim you want to do the right thing. Do that. In the video we're going to show, he was asking, man, who are y'all? And they had like RD6. So they had no names, no badge numbers, no nothing. So you can't report it. And then we did another story, but there was this black guy who was stopping the cops by somebody wearing fake ice, fake ice stuff, which you can get on Amazon.

And so you got people who are impersonating ICE in Border Patrol, and you don't know who the hell these folks are. So when they say, well, you got to comply, I don't know who the hell y'all are. You rolled up with a mask on, no name, no patches, no nothing. I'm supposed to give you the benefit of the doubt. Let's remind people that a Minnesota in Minneapolis, a Minnesota state senator was shot and killed by a guy impersonating a cop at her door. They shot and killed her husband. They severely wounded another state official and his wife. And they can perpetrate, but I think the ones coming in the city is perpetrating too.

We have to keep people safe in our cities. and then we have to speak up against those that are not. This is a fake thing that they came in here. We're making your city safe. You're making our cities more dangerous. You're coming up to people with no identification. They don't know who you are. You mask up.

Let me just say this. If they put legislation out there in your city that banned the mask for young black kids in your city, and now you got these people coming in, call themselves ICE agents, and they masked up, where's the legislation on banning them? We have to make some rules in all these cities to stop the nonsense. I'm not a legislator. So we need to call on our legislators to do something about this. You just can't keep running up on people.

And that's going to cause a situation because you run up on people with a mask. They don't know who you are. You claim you ICE. But there are people that are perpetrating the fake ice people. So you got fake on fake. No, stop the nonsense. You want to claim you a legitimate law enforcement? Take the mask off.

Get your ID. Put the badge on and come with the proper paperwork. Introduce to my panel. Candace Kelly, legal analyst, hosts of Not All Hood out of South Orange, New Jersey, Matt Manning, Civil Rights Attorney, out of Corpus, Christi, Texas. Michael M. Hemp, host African History Network.

out of Detroit. Candice, your question for Sheriff Ball. As to whether or not ICE is actually going to come to Philadelphia, is there a high likelihood? Is that what you are hearing? I know you're close to the pulse of everything. No, I haven't heard that. You have ICE agents here because people saying to me they are around our courthouse because our deputies are the ones that secure the courthouse and deal with the warrants from the judges. So they're outside courthouses, they're outside buildings. I'm not hearing that they're coming in here like they invading other cities, but the ones that we have here, we got to deal with them. Thank you. Matt?

State law often gives federal agents certain powers. As it relates to Pennsylvania, do those ICE agents actually have any powers outside of the federal enforcement? Or, you know, what is the interplay, I guess, between state law and what they're actually able to do? because I suspect we're going to be hearing that, that they're going to say, we're empowered to come in and enforce state laws they sometimes do in other places. What's your experience in that respect? Because in Philadelphia, you have the sheriff and you have the police department. Under my jurisdiction is where the courts are.

ICE cannot come in the courts to arrest anybody. And if they do, they let us know in advance and they have to have a valid warrant signed by a judge. And they don't take them out of the court. go in the courtrooms, we will take them back to where they were and they have to go there to get them. They don't just invade the courts here, but they're outside lingering and they're outside trying to

capture people coming out. But what we have in our city and I'm running the, I deal with the courts and their security, they don't come inside the courts to grab anybody outside. They're lingering outside of that. And I can't stop them because

the sidewalk is public. The courthouse is public. The only person that can stop them from even being outside is legislation or a judge. And I'm waiting on that. Michael. Sheriff Bilala, I saw your video today. Thanks so much for your heartfelt words. My question is, I know under the Obama administration, he deported 3.1 million undocumented immigrants, but they did it the correct way, like you're talking about.

What has been some of the response from those in the African-American community where you live who may have voted for Donald Trump because they said he's going to deport the undocumented immigrants that are taking black people's jobs? But then we see all this hell breaking loose. Okay. And Obama deported more per month on average than Trump is doing. What is some of the responses that you're hearing on the ground? Well, the ones that voter for them feeling sick to their stomach. right now because the promises he made to all of these people and even black people. And I can't see why they even did that, but because they was fooled.

Now they're fooled, they're fooled, and now it's on them. Now they sick to their stomach because they don't cut off whatever benefits. They don't stop them from doing this. And they're coming to get, look, they probably coming to get us at the next go-around before we sat back and said, it ain't us. It's all of us. It's all of us. If we are not a racist, bigot, maggot participant, then it's all of us.

It doesn't matter what shade, what political state you are in. It's all of us. And so if they don't get off their butt here, they're sick now. And now they're trying to figure out what are this they want to do. I tell them what,

they need to get out here with the rest of these folks and fight back and not just take it. Thank you. Well, there are a lot of folks who are highly critical other actions. And I think what this shooting has done, it is probably woken some folks up. And listen, they had been attacking black and brown people. And let's just be frank. This is a white woman who was shot and killed.

And yeah, the right is trying to say, oh, she was this left wing, terrorist, lesbian, all this sort of stuff like this. But I think them shooting this white woman. in the face and killing her, it's going to call some other white folks to realize that, guess what? It ain't just the brown people. They're not exempt. And that's what I said. It's all of us.

If you're not a part of that group of people, I say the cult, because that's the way I see it. And that's my personal opinion. If you're not a part of that, then you are the next person in line for them to come, step up on you, mask that, try to grab you out your car, throw you on the ground. This is ridiculous on what's happening. And I'm speaking out, and some people may be mad. I don't care at this time. I got family. I got grandkids.

I got friends. I'm speaking up because I live here in America, and this is unjust. And in my book, I'm just not going to sit back and let it happen. And I don't care about the threats. Where do you go? I'm a law enforcement person. I was well trained. I had more than 47 days of training.

Trust me, more than that. This crazy black Republican from Texas, Wesley Hunt, decided to give his perspective and weigh in on this shooting. And Sheriff, I would love to hear your response to this. Let's play that. Clear that she tried to use her vehicle as a weapon, mow over an ice agent, and now she is dead. And her death is tragic. But at the end of the day, it was completely avoidable if she would have simply follow the commands of the ICE agents. But what really is more disturbing to me is Governor Walts's comments about using the National Guard to keep the federal government ICE agents out of his state.

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He has now gone full Jefferson Davis, and that's what I would call Civil War. This is a problem. The left always does this. They always clamor for more violence. They always clamor for more rioting. Many of the officers, they've already burned to the ground. The violence must stop. It was respect law enforcement, respect this president, that said,

I am going to clamp down on illegal immigration, and Minneapolis has become accessible for illegal immigration and when I'm standing for it any longer. What are he trying to buck for a job or something? Because I've seen all the people that used to speak up for the criminal in the White House, and ain't none of them got a job. So I guess he's trying to come in and get one. First of all, I saw that video frame by frame by frame.

as a law enforcement profession, you don't put yourself in harm's way. You don't stand in front of a vehicle. He had enough space to get out of the way and he shot in front. And now he's on the side. And you shoot two more times. There's no threat there.

She wasn't trying to run him over. She's trying to get out of the way. Get away from them. What was going to obey? You come up all masked up. You're going to try to open up my car and pull me out. And I ain't got nothing to do

what you're doing i'd have took off too i'd have took off too she took off because she was scared and then this nut case talking about you're going to respect law enforcement hell they don't respect law enforcement january the six they was trying to kill the law enforcement professionals up there at the white house they was trying to kill them so you're talking about respect law enforcement you should respect them then on january the six see he's He don't even know what he's talking about. But if you bucking for a job and you keep being a handkerchief head Negro exactly what you're doing, then go ahead and do that.

Go over there and get a job over there. Because you're black, he ain't gonna give you one either. So you might just stay where you are and just get out of the way with the nonsense. Because you can't talk about respecting law enforcement when you try to kill something. You can't talk about respecting the president when he don't respect the citizens of this.

country. Well, look, I ain't got nothing else to say about him. Go get a job somewhere else. See, here's the thing that is amazing to me when I listen to these people. And this is what I've never

understood. I remember that was a story out of Cleveland. And it was a black couple. And the cop jumped on top of the car and fired. And fired a bunch of shots into the car.

We've had other stores that we've done jumping in front of a car. And matter of fact, I remember, uh, Kajima Powell. This was in St. Louis shortly after Michael Brown, uh, had been shot and killed. And Kajima Powell had a serious, it was, it was a mental issue. It was a mental call. It wasn't more than 16 seconds from the time the

officers arrived on the scene and the door, it was 16 seconds from when the door opened to the first shot fired to kill Kajima. And I remember when that happened and Powell had this butter knife or something like that and he flexed. And the officer immediately fires and kills him. And I'm watching this. And my first reaction, this is just me. And again, this is, I don't understand. And I won't see I understand police training and all of that. But what I didn't understand was if I'm a cop and I got a park and I'm getting out of a car, okay? And the man is standing in front of me. There are other people, there are not other people around this way.

And he's holding a butter knife. And I know I got a gun. So I know I have a lethal weapon I can take this person out. I guess if I might have a conversation with Homeboy, I'm probably, this is just me. I'm going to step to the back of a car, give, put the car between me and him, we're going to talk over the car.

And what I see these, what I see these officers, they jump in front of the car, or they firing at a car that's taking off and going away. I'm sitting here going, what are you doing? And the DOJ's own, report shows

you do not fire at a fleeing car. You don't do that. Because you don't know who you can hit. You don't know if you hit them. They run to somebody else. Matter of fact, it's a black kid, 26-year-old black photographer in D.C.

He's dead because the D.C. police were chasing a car. That car. This brother was on his way to an assignment, on his way to church. Car slams him and he's dead. because they were pursuing them. And so it's just mind-boggling.

Sometimes when you go, what were you thinking when you know you had to leave the weapon in your hand and that person does it? And that's the rules of most. That's the law enforcement rules. One, the reason why, because people used to just chase cars all the time.

And cars speeding down the street, hit people, kill people, children, grown, elderly body speed. You don't chase them, nor do you shoot at them because you don't know who is on the other side of that vehicle that you may hit or kill or harm. So that's why the rules are in place. You don't shoot at a flea vehicle. It got a tag. You catch it later. You don't chase them. We had that here in Philadelphia. I think his name was, correct me if I'm wrong, Dante Dawson where the cops stood on the hood and shot down the car because he was in the car. Didn't make a move, nothing, just was in the car.

The rules, because I was a police officer for 27 years, the rules was if a person is in the car and won't come out, that become a barricaded person. That's right. Everybody in here to work it out. That's right. That's right. See, these non-trained individuals, and they said he had 11 years. Then what was he doing for 11 years?

On the border patrol, you don't know how to react to people in communities or urban cities. You don't know. But you throw them out here and they just start shooting? No. The rules state for most common sense law enforcement agencies. Now, the ones that don't, they can correct me, but I know being a cop for 27 years, that was the rule for us and that's the rules for my deputy sherrits in this city that's what we don't do well it also reminds me uh when you have these cases and we just did one the other day this

throughout florida uh black man he's he's he's walking away back to the officers has his hands up he's not reached up anything shoot him in the back killer same thing and you're like so you're justified the person's walking away this is the stuff we have we have to have them deal with. And I do hope. I hope that what this murder of Renee Good does, it wakes up these complacent people who have given these law enforcement folks the benefit of the doubt. And you're absolutely right. And I've said that for a long time. And I've talked a, I've talked to way too many folks in Noble who have called for accountability, that when you got cops who do the right thing, hey, you praise them, you support them, you pay raises,

and all that good stuff. But we know for a fact, you got some folks who are thugs, who have no business with guns and badges, and they know, oh, I can shoot and kill. And all I've got to say is, I feel for my life. And that's a reality.

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And they don't ultimately win. I'm Risa Colbert and you're watching the Black Star Network. So folks, I saw this video and there was this Uber driver. I met Ben Hassan who got into this verbal altercation with some federal law enforcement officers. and man, he was giving them the business. And so I just want you all to see how my man, I want you all to play the 755 version, y'all. But he was straight up just letting them have it.

Watch this. What's up, officer? How's it going? Where are we at? Where are we at? Where are we at? Yeah, can you tell them this location? What are we doing here?

You can feel free. I'm just chilling at my job in the Uber and this lady just pulls over and she's like, are you a US citizen in a parking lot at work? That's the officer lady and they just shot somebody right now in Minnesota. Imagine that. Are we in Germany? Why are you guys doing this? Why are you guys going around just asking people at work whether the US citizens or not?

Are you guys not supposed to be patrolling the border? Do you want to answer the question or not? Why would I answer you? Where's your wife? Run your plates or you do whatever you want. You can record. Yeah. That's kind of crazy though, right?

Like you guys leave the border and go harass people based on their skin color? Ain't that a shame? Are you doing this to everybody or is just black people? Come on now, you know what it is. And you got a GoPro. Yes. Is that work issued? Yes.

Are you sure? Yes. They're giving you guys Gopros? What happened to the police body cameras? I don't have a body camera. This way you can delete the video and make your own stuff. You know that, right? Because it's not going to a server, it's going to a little SD card or something.

You guys just murdered somebody in cold blood in this city today and God brought you guys to me at work. I'm literally working here and you guys are literally impeding my anchor. You know, asking me retarded questions. You know, I've been sitting here since 10 a.m. waiting for a right, and right now I'm getting rights. And if I leave, I'm afraid you motherfuckers might just shoot me. Are you with U.S. citizens, sir? Why would I answer you?

Because if you're not a citizen of this country, you have your immigration. Why would I not be a citizen of this country, man? What a ridiculous question. Why would I have an immigration? Are you? Are you, are you a citizen? Are you a... Dude, listen, I'm here working.

You're working too, right? Right. So go, it says U.S. border patrol. This is not the border. Go to the Canada border or the Mexico border. I'm working, dude. What do you mean if I'm from this country? I could hear you don't have the same accent as me. That's why I'm asking. Oh, so you're going by accents now? Is that what it is? Is that accents? Have you heard the Israeli accent? Have you heard the European accent? It's garbage. It's retarded, dude. You go by accents? Mr. Mills, Mr. Mills. Where are you from, Mr. Mills with

your big ass body where you from yeah all of these other motherfuckers small man look at your officers hey the favors guy i've seen this guy on tic-tok look at it you got gas canisters and what's that officer how you doing i have better than i deserve man let me step up man that was wild uh and because that was a shorter version right that was so give me some of the other one. Give me something the other one. Two videos. That was the, I think that was the, uh, almost three minute one. Play the other one. What's up, officer? How's it going? Where we at? Where are what? Where are we at? Yeah, can you tell them this location? What are we doing here? You can feel free? I'm just,

I just, come on out. Come on out. Come on. So, yeah, living up what happened with that. I, first of all, man, I love he was giving their ass to business. He was like, man, I ain't giving up. I ain't giving it. I ain't giving it up. nothing he would just just just just just rip it i loved it and i love that he was recording and i love that he called the guy out on you know the xenophobia basically behind oh your accent is different than mine therefore i'm going to conclude you're not an american citizen not to mention there's a whole naturalization process i mean it's it's crazy how they're going around and it's very interesting that he talked about them not being anywhere near the border because what i think a lot of people are kind of conflating these days is like border patrol does have expanded authority right

i think it's like 100 miles from the border or 50 miles from the border one of those two where there is a relaxation of civil rights but the point is past that point they're not patrolling the border so the idea that they would be like a supplemental immigration force and he's calling them out like we're not anywhere near the border go back to canada or go to mexico i love that because I think a lot of times what happens with citizens is if they don't know the distinctions between certain officers, certain authorities, certain jurisdictions, they may acquiesce just because the person's in a uniform when that person doesn't have any right to order them out or order them to do anything. And I like that this brother stood strong. And a lot of

times when this happens, officers get frustrated because they're used to people immediately acquiescing, but he was one of the ones that brought the smoke and said, nah, man, you don't know what you're talking about. And clearly he was able to post this. So presumably he's not in custody. He didn't have anything happen. And I'm glad that he stood up the way he did. Yeah. And I just, I mean, for me straight up, hey, everybody got to have any cameras out. Everybody got, you can't trust these people at all, Candace, at all. The only key about that video is when he asked her, you know, why are you stopping me? And she said, I don't know. Why are we? I mean,

Come on. Even she didn't know the reason why and didn't have a justification as to why she was stopping. There was no probable cause. There was no warrant. There were no constitutional guidelines that she could even say anything about. And to Matt's point, yeah, you're on Border Patrol. What are you doing here in this Uber parking lot where I'm about to go get a ride, but I'm afraid I'm going to lose my life? So even if it does move to the point of, hey, you know what, we do have reasonable suspicion, then he also has the right to remain silent. And these are things that it sounds like he knew and understood that they did not know and did not understand. So it's important to have your camera, as you said, and it's important to know the law. It's important to understand when and when you cannot be stopped. Because as we saw and have we heard about that training, 47 days we heard the sheriff talking about what went into Mr. Ross, who killed the woman in Minnesota.

That's not enough. They probably don't know what they're doing. You probably know the law better than they do if you are somebody on the other side of an ICE officer agent. Yeah, Michael, they love demanding paperwork, demanding ID and ask. And I love it when he said, oh, my accent, you know, Israelis have accents too. Is you go back to Supreme Court, go back to Brett Kavanaugh, the Kavanaugh stops. and you have the Supreme Court saying you can use race as a pretext to stop people, right? When in 2023, they ruled that you couldn't use affirmative action in college admissions.

Okay. So what you see here? Now, my question would be, well, what about Elon Musk's accent? Because Elon Musk's brother admitted at one point they were undocumented immigrants here in this country. Would you stop somebody with Elon Musk accent, or would you give him a pass because he's white? So all this is the fear of the browning of America, and we see the weaponization of ice to inflict terror upon communities. And you have to connect what's taking place right now in Minnesota, in Minneapolis, and the killing of Renee Good, a four-tenth of a mile away from where George Floyd was killed. You have to connect that to the video from Nick Shirley right around Christmas, right after Christmas, right?

Going to those child care centers ran by, most of them ran by Somali immigrants, things to this nature. And people in the Republicans in the state legislature in Minnesota feeding that information to Nick Shirley. And because of those videos going viral and the white supremacist in the White House seizing upon that, then they flood Minneapolis, Minnesota with ICE agents. And you see this unfolding here. So this is an example of how elections have consequences. This is straight out of Project 2025. Okay. And we see that the big as ugly bill gave an unprecedented amount of money to Homeland Security to do this. But going back to the conversation with the sheriff, under the Obama administration, the two terms of Obama, they deported 3.1 million undocumented

immigrants, but they didn't terrorize communities doing this. So there's a right way to do it, but this is totally the wrong way. Well, they are showing us exactly who they are. Now, while those things are happening, our economy is going straight to hell. 2005 absolutely was an awful economic year. And all of you idiots who said Donald Trump was going to be great for the economy, way better than Vice President Kamala Harris. You probably feel real stupid right now because we know that that was an absolute lie, an

absolute lie. And so let's break down what's happened with the economy. Morgan Harper joins us right now. Morgan and Ken Walker Thucy, the Director of Policy and Advocacy for the American Economic Liberties Project. And Morgan, they have been trying their best to delay these numbers. They don't want us to see it. All of a sudden, we're not realizing, guess what?

manufacturing Trump. I'm bringing it back. No, you're not. It sucks. We're seeing how across the board, we've seen anemic loss. And don't you remember when we would have 150 or 180 or 200,000 job creation and Fox News would be going, oh, my God, this is soft. This is awful. But all these downward revisions that we have seen now shows how awful this Trump economy is. Yeah, it's really something, ruling. I mean, the top line figures that we have now that are estimates of what happened throughout all of 2025 are indicating that there were only about 500,000 jobs created for the whole year. To compare under President Biden's last year in 2024 is about 2 million, right? So that's a huge difference. And then when we're breaking it down month by month, you're exactly

right that we're only having like 50,000 jobs that are being estimated that were created this past December, revisions down, still in the tens of thousands of jobs for November. And so there's nothing, nothing, nothing like robust job growth going on here. And again, and this is something that we've talked about before, where is the job growth that is occurring, even if it's very limited, where is it coming from? It continues to be things. Babes, what are you doing? What? I'm just mowing the lawn. No, it's blazing hot and dry out here. Don't you remember? Smokey Bear says, using power equipment when it's windy or dry. Where'd you learn this?

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takes home the 26 IHeart Podcast Awards Podcast of the year by voting at IHeart Podcast Awards.com Now through February 22nd, see all the nominees and place your vote at IHeartPodcastawards.com. Audible is a proud sponsor of the Audible Audio Pioneer Award. Explore the best selection of audiobooks, podcasts, and originals all in one easy app. Audible. There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. Like social assistance, health care, hardly a booming business environment that's just suggesting a ton of innovation and entrepreneurship is happening. I think as one bit of coverage that I saw today was talking about that's really just like demographic change.

People are aging. They need more support. That's where you are going to see more of those health care jobs tend to come from regardless of what's happening elsewhere in the economy. The other thing that, you know, is important to note in these numbers as a sign of how all is not well despite what the White House might be trying to spin is those that are unemployed. Unemployment is up overall from where we were at this point last year, even though there's a slight downturn in terms of of the exact number from this past month, but overall unemployment is up year-over-year, and particularly black unemployment is much, much higher from this point in last year. And those that are unemployed, they're staying unemployed longer. And that is particularly disconcerting, you know, meaning like you're looking for a job,

you're not able to find one, so you're going to stay as part of that official statistic for longer. And that's a problem, as we know. I mean, most of us are living paycheck to paycheck, the longer that you don't have one of those, then ripple, other ripple effects that are happening throughout your life just in like a real micro way. And then, you know, the other thing that I would note is just, you know, there's, there is this dichotomy between what the White House is saying. I thought it was particularly interesting in a lot of their official messaging today, just how, how far they're having to reach for that positive spin now.

You know, you have the head of the Council of Economic Advisors, Kevin Hasson, who is his go-to talking point today was, oh, but those that have manufacturing jobs, they're getting paid a lot more. And it's like, well, that's interesting because like you were noting, we've seen nothing but manufacturing job losses. So I guess this point is if you happen to be one of the few people that still has a manufacturing job, that is surely not a new one that's been created this year because their policies have not resulted in that, well, then maybe you're making a bit more money and that's great. But the rest of the economy is not really seeing any of those gains. And again, there just has not been that follow through on this promise of bringing American

manufacturing back, inspiring a new wave and innovation. Nothing in these numbers suggest that that's actually occurring. I love all the spin they've been doing. And in fact, I came across this video and tried to find it. They were at this event. And this woman came up and said to them, point blank, guess what? My things have sucked when it comes to my life, my business because of these tears, and he was sitting kind of like, uh, uh, uh, oh,

and it's kind of like, yeah, try to tell you. Yeah, I mean, that's the important point here is they're gonna try to take this little bit of the official data that's coming out of these numbers. And I thought, you know, of course, interesting again, that the president does not care about the rules around any of this. He's not supposed to talk about any of this data

before the official release so that it doesn't inappropriately influence the market investors. They did that anyway because they are probably so concerned about how these numbers were not suggesting anything positive or aligning with what they claim they're accomplishing here. And people are having, not having to, but are able to confront that imaginary picture that they're trying to paint with reality.

And yeah, I mean, small business. I'm sure all of us were all living. I know I have had these conversations with Columbus of like, oh yeah, a business owner used to carry that, can't carry that anymore. Tariffs. It's just too expensive, folks that are having to close up shop altogether. And more importantly, I know I think this is the widespread type of impact is just that uncertainty that people don't know exactly what's going to happen. And so they're not able to move or invest in any particular way. And, you know, and the other risk I would point to here, and this was starting to be covered a bit more in some of the data today around the impacts of AI. We all know,

you know, AI is afoot. It's going to, you know, lead to sure some gains in productivity in a lot of working environments that is, you know, definitely having an impact. And some of the job members, just, you know, some professional services are no longer going to need as many people if they're using, you know, AI, AI software and such. And so, but we're not able to really parse out what's the what there. If we have a government that's, you know, that's injecting all of this unnecessary uncertainty while we have to kind of grapple with this technology that is there, that is having an impact, that we need to figure out what exactly that is so that government can play a better role in leveling things off to make sure that

we're all, you know, staying as stable as possible. I think that's a risk that, you know, we're not always taught, we certainly, you and I haven't been talking about every month, but it's something for us to continue to draw attention to, you know, in that AI conversation and how this connects to the jobs data. Questions from our panel. Let me start with you, Michael. All right, Morgan, you just hit on one of the questions that I had dealing with artificial intelligence

and eliminating jobs. The other question that I had is when we look at, for instance, September 2024, Goldman Sachs put out a statement. They analyzed both Trump and, common harris's economic plans and they said that uh comela harris's plans would give the biggest boost to the economy and they talked about how trump's proposed tariffs on imports and tighter immigration policies would would really destroy the economy what feedback are you hearing from african americans specifically on how they are trying to navigate throughout all this

We're looking at unprecedented unemployment for African-Americans in a past year. We're looking at energy prices up 13 percent, beef prices up, coffee, et cetera. What are you hearing from African-Americans on the ground? Well, I think it's interesting because, you know, a lot of us probably don't have the expectation that the government's always going to be working in our best interests, I would say, you know, as a community. And so I think in certain ways, we're kind of prepared to prepare to be surprised and the unexpected in a certain way. So psychologically, you know, maybe that puts us in a slightly better position than the average person that is used to maybe living with that illusion or

expectation that somebody is going to be taking care of you looking out for you. That being said, I mean, I'm hearing that people think what's going on is crazy and that there is no way to make this all add up. So, you know, like you're saying, like we have, you know, the uncertainty around tariffs, that those costs are having to be passed on certain goods and all sorts of businesses that we're going to based on how this administration chose to implement tariffs. That is not inevitability, right? There is a version of doing better trade policy, tariff policy that would not go like this. That is not what they decided to do. In addition to some things that are never going to be reflected in this data that we're talking about, like energy costs,

like utility prices. And I think the important point here is to emphasize, like none of this is inevitable. None of this is necessary. There are, even when we're talking about AI, right, we're kind of like just hearing AI, it's happening. We got to just deal with it. It's like, well, no, we have a government that can pass laws that kind of decides the rules of the road even for something like an innovative technology, like how that's actually going to be playing out in our economy, in our society. But unfortunately, that is not what this government's trying to do. I think the other thing I would note is, you know, when we're looking at, you know, I mean, I don't have all the ins and outs of exactly what Conlon Harris was proposing,

but I can guarantee you that there were some elements of it that were also looking at what we call, like the supply side of things. So, you know, it's interesting, this proposal that's come up from Trump, you know, that you all might have seen some coverage out around, like buying up more of these mortgage-backed securities bonds to try to lower interest rates. And then that's going to solve the housing crisis. Like, this is a big housing plan. It's like, well, okay, but you all aren't doing anything to address actually like what's going

to be necessary to build housing. So similar to the job market, you know, they're doing all these things and like, oh, we're going to, you know, manufacturing and we're going to, you know, manufacturing. and we're going to keep supporting all the businesses. But it's like we're going to cut back on immigration, but you're not doing anything to address the supply side here. So it's not that you don't want to do tariffs at all. It's not that a lot of us don't care about having better immigration policy.

I think a lot of us do. But if you're going to put in these real, you know, extreme approaches, and then you don't do anything on that supply side to, you know, train people up or make sure that we're impacting the number of people that are available to take on any jobs that are being created or incentivize businesses, is to want to create those jobs, well, then you are just setting people up for absolute devastation. And I do think that, you know, that's what I'm hearing from a lot of people, that they're kind of worried, that's where we're headed, and there's not a lot of ways to maneuver to protect yourself

in that environment. All right, thanks. Candace. So there are a lot of people who graduate these days with computer science degrees, and they're so behind because technologies move so fast. by the time they get to get a job or not get a job, they're just behind. So I'm wondering for people who are, you know,

looking into areas to go to in terms of studying, where are the hot jobs coming in three to four years? What will a good degree look like? Because it certainly isn't computer science. I mean, there's so many statistics and headlines out there about that. But where do folks go? Yeah, I mean, I think that's a great question. And, you know, I've been certainly a workforce expert or anything like that, but I have been hearing the same covers that you're talking about with the computer science degrees, you know, now being somewhat less necessary, less in demand just based on the advances in technology.

And more than anything, we are going to need people that do have critical thinking skills and an ability to still be able to write and work through complex problems and deal with lots of different kinds of people, something we would call like a, you know, liberal arts education. and it's out of vogue in this administration that, and not just this administration, I mean, some movement across the country that's kind of, you know, pushing back on those. But I do think that there continues to be a need to invest in people regardless of what circumstances you might be born into if they want to pursue an education, higher education, that that pathway is available to them without getting in a bunch of debt. That being said, you know, completely support and do think, and this is something we were seeing a lot under the last administration and the administration, you know, an investment in trades. And if we, you know, have the types of policies

that were happening under the Inflation Reduction Act, incentivizing solar investment in solar energy that then requires people who have the training to be able to install that and building trades, that is going to continue to be necessary where there's a shortage of people that have the skill set to be able to just be plumbers and be electricians and have some of these, you know, the skills that are more in that trades category, but that requires a government investment to make sure that people have those resources. And this is another thing I've heard on the ground. I mean, and it's been very, very hard to hear. You know, some of these job training programs that were getting that funding through the big federal legislation just immediately disappeared,

you know, with all the Doge business. And then they just, they cannot afford to put on those programs. I've heard from folks in Columbus that that's happening too. So, you know, you all talk about it. We all talk about a lot. You know, elections matter. We need to get things back on under control and track, but maybe we don't all agree on exactly what the solutions are, but we need to have people in these positions that are even trying to figure out and understand what the problem is to explore what those solutions could be. Thank you. Well, the election, I think, is going to be a huge issue comes to midterm elections in November. And Democrats, they want to regain the House. they should be hammering these folks by saying, guess what?

You let Trump do whatever he wants to do on tariffs. Now you see the problem when in fact Congress actually can be controlling tariffs. And so the GOP, you put your fate in the hands of Trump. You're going to suffer the consequences. And so it had better be a strong economic message, but not just that, Morgan. What Democrats also have to be saying is what are we going to do when we regain power? It can't just be they suck. Completely. And you know, I think we have a great example from this week, Roland, with, you know, Trump coming out saying he wanted to ban institutional investors from buying up, you know, single family homes and across the country, right? So this is like, you know, private equity, large corporations being able to dominate regional housing markets.

Which, of course, that was one of the ideas of Vice President Kamala Harris. That, yes. And there have been a couple of bills introduced by, you know, Raphael Warnock. And. And in fact, Democrats tried to do that last year, and Republicans voted against it. Yes. But the point, I agree. The point I was going to make, though, is, and I think we can agree on this,

that is not something though that every Democrat across the board was willing to talk about. Even we're talking about something like taking on private equity and some of the impacts that it's having in the economy, even as recently as a couple years ago, I think that was a controversial thing that some people were like, eh, That's a little too much.

I don't want to go that far. And I think we should all take as a very clear direction that we have Trump that's coming out here, even if it's not sincere, even if he doesn't follow through, even if Democrats or some Democrats were talking about before, that there is no reason to hold back on any front with ideas that we think are going to have an impact that is for the good for our community, for this country.

We should not be afraid. We should not be timid. We got to go for the absolute jugular here as we're looking ahead to 26 and 28. I agree 100%. Morgan, always great to see you. Thanks a lot. Thanks for having me.

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At the end of the Selma to Montgomery March in 1965, Dr. King stood in front of the Alabama State House and told 25,000 Americans that the greatest threat to the greedy oligothy is when poor blacks and poor whites and others mobilize together and form a voting block that can fundamentally shift the economic architecture of our nation. In America today, we have fewer voting right protections than we did when the Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965. And state legislatures have abused their power to try to pick their voters rather than let the voters pick their legislators. Meanwhile, every day people are suffering while the government. greedy get richer and richer.

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So from February 11th through the 14th, North Carolinians are going to be walking and marching and caravanning from Wilson to Raleigh. And on Saturday, February 14th, Valentine's Day, we will hold a massive people's assembly for a moral agenda in Raleigh, North Carolina, saying it is time to love forward together. We are marching from a district that MAGA extremists because of a call from President Trump decided to gerrymandar the first congressional district, take it away from the people.

And we are inviting all defenders of democracy and champions of the common good to meet us in Raleigh on February 14, to reclaim a moral agenda, an agenda for going forward, to pursue the society. society and the democracy that we want not only for ourselves, but for our children's children, for somebody's been hurting our people and it's gone on far too long and we won't be quiet anymore. We will love forward together. Hope joining us right now is Bishop William Barber with repairs of the briefs, poor people's campaign. Bishop always been to have you. Happy New Year frat. This is taking place in North Carolina, but this is really a national, a national call. It is, Roland.

Thank you for having me and glad to be here. I'm at a place I can't be on the live, but I'm glad to be with you. We must nationalize state movements. I don't know how many times I can say that. We need to be rallying the people in our states, and it doesn't even have to be partisan. It can be principled. and mobilize in a way around what we stand for.

What is it that you stand for and that you will stand in, stand for it, regardless of what? We've talked enough. We have to do the critique, but resistance only gets you so far. The Bible says you have to write the vision for people to run, and you have to write it for people to mobilize, and we have to get people to grab their passion and say, I'm fighting now, not just who I'm against, but what I'm for. And Roland, the reality is, I can talk all day.

It's one of the reason I'm going home. I've been out in the nation, but going home to nationalize this. In North Carolina in 2025, Trump won by 180,000 votes, 1830 votes for county. Over 300,000 black people that were registered and had voted infrequently. They didn't vote. Over 1.7 million poor and low-wage people who had voted were registered. but voting frequently didn't vote. And you look at these numbers in Georgia.

Trump wins by a little over 100,000 votes. But over 300,000, 400,000 African-Americans didn't vote. Over 2 million poor and low-wage people who had then frequently voted and tended to vote progress, did not vote. And people are saying, you asked them why, and they say, nobody talked to us, nobody spoke to our passion. I don't totally agree with that, but my point is, there comes a time when you can't just say what Goliath is doing.

You have to decide it's time to take the might from Goliath and say what you stand for and what rocks you stand on, if you will, rolling. And that's why we're going from the last straw was for them to get a, this side went down. Trump called our state mager and told them, take this district, first congressional district, to be black. And they said, okay, and went down to redistrict it. But the numbers they use rolling, they are based on 49% turnout or less. And in that same district, Trump won by 11,000

votes, but hundreds of thousands of folks didn't vote at all in that district. Yep, yep. You can't keep just resisting and talking about what they're. What is it? We are fighting for. Three days, we marched from Wilson-Rolle, and than a mass and lastly, you know this, it's not just a rally. People are going to get that day on live seven things to do, to do what you and I call micro-organizing.

That's right. Yeah. Well, here's a perfect example. I'm showing right now this is, this was when we were in Austin. And this was, this was, this is a drone shot we had and it was a, it was a multi-day march to the state capital.

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There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. You not talk about this all the time. I heard more people say, hey, man, who's doing something? We're waiting. We're ready to go. We're ready to do this thing. And the problem is too many, too many organizations, too many churches, too many black churches, too many civil rights groups.

Others, they've been, they've been non-existent, you know, chatting with, you know, doing, you know, email fundraisers. And the people are saying, where's the plan of action to fight back? that's right where's the plan of action and what is it that we're fighting for and how we mobilizing so that there's a movement not just a moment when we went to texas as you remember about a hundred folks started with us but thousands showed up now we encourage people you and i to keep doing it right to keep going build it out folks said we've never seen this many people come to stay house at one time we said if you keep moving and keep mobilizing now Now let's now go from that to the fact that you've got three million poor and low-wage folk in frequent voters.

Go after them. But you've got to go after them with talking to them and real policies. The problem is rolling too often with leaving folk out. And I'm saying the politicians, you can't just run this year on who you're against. What are you for? What's going to happen if you get to be the governor or the senator? What's going to happen in the first 50 days? What are you going to make happen?

And all of us, the organization, if you've been waiting to do something, I mean, when the big, bad, deadly, ugly, destructive bill, you know, you were there. Some of us, white and black and other than went to D.C. and made a call. Come now. Come to the retunda now. They arrested us. I know folks saw it because millions of people saw online. But do you know some folk were doing something else? I don't know what they were doing.

And then after it was over, they said, we didn't know. Now, there's a certain part in which you can't be claimed ignorance, you know. But let's just say folk didn't. Okay, here we are now. 22 million people, I mean, 20 million people are losing health care. That's who you got organized. That's the power. People are losing food staff.

That's who we must mobilize. So our effort, and I'm saying we're only every state ought to, have this and preachers hear me you ought to do this in your state you ought to get thousands and thousands of people have a massive group but not just for a day and then you ought to lay out your plan for micromobilizing and organizing and civic engagement and voter push in each county and you know why we're doing february 11th 12th and 13th it's not just because it's valentine's day it's the first week of early voting same-day registration So we're going to be out there.

That's called having a reason, having a rationale in terms of what you're doing and not just gathering because you meet and you're pushing people towards something to do something. Because that also, that's when early voting starts in Texas for the March 6 primary. That's it. And I would love it. We're trying to model it. It would be an amazing. If there are any folk from Texas, right? and preachers down there.

You ought to do this. Join us. Do one the same weekend. You can do it. And you could do this in three weeks. Bay at Rustin didn't have us six weeks, maybe eight weeks at the most, to pull off the March on Washington.

You can't, we could, what if Texas decided, after all of this craziness, that you were going to mobilize, and let's say you didn't march three days, but you did one, somewhere and massively come on February. But your reason is to genn up the energy and the power of people turning out for early voting. I don't, in Texas, do you all have same day registration

rolling? We do not have, not in Texas. But see, we do. So what we're saying to vote, while we're watching, the church we're marching from, by the way, is on Martin Luther King Boulevard, St. James Christian Church, my wife's the pastor, the church, we're going to end up. up at is Pullen Memorial Church, which has been a progressive white congregation on the 13th. But what we're saying to folk is the 12, the 13th, the 14 are all same-day registration early voters. So while we're walking, you march to the polls and you don't even have to be registered. All you have to do is go and register and vote. And then after that rally, when we really ginned up and taken over the news media and got people's consciousness away,

and gotten people saying, I know what I'm loving. I know what I'm fighting for. They will have another three to four weeks to push it out. And we're going to break through so that the pundas are going to have to say, wait a minute. We normally don't get this kind of turnout in midterm and midterm elections. And that's when we start making a difference when we start upsetting these calculations.

To your point, I'm playing right now video when we were with y'all, in June. And it was very interesting. It's very interesting, again, the whole point there. And this is the thing that still, to your point, would drive me crazy. Y'all invited so many other people. This was in June. The whole point was to build upon that and y'all keep doing the work. And you can do, all you can do is all you can do. But you've got so many other folk who've been sitting on the sidelines and and just sort of and I guess they're going to wake up come September and October. And what I have been saying to people repeatedly is, y'all, this ain't how this thing works. You now have to begin to reach people a lot earlier. This is now January. You have to be

now planting the seed in January and you got to till the soil and you got to water that thing in February and March. And they may not vote in the primary, but then you got April and May in June and July in August and September and October if you do that you've now spent seven eight months what I call educate enlighten inform and engage and when you do that the three ease in the eye you do that now of a sudden you built the resonance and now people know you've connected the dots you've talked about health care you've talked about snap benefits you've talked about job creation, talking about a living wage,

and now you can challenge the candidates. Because look, we want to hold these town halls for the folk who run. Roy Cooper, that's right. We want to have a town hall with him on a Black Star Network in North Carolina, Osop in Georgia,

Crockett in Texas, the rest of the people. But that's what has to happen. And if you do that, as you said, you actually push to the politicians to have courage and to say what they're for, not just what they're against.

And so the other part of what we're doing, we've been in the first congressional district since they did what they did. We filed a suit, challenging it as racism. But we also are not in those districts having town halls, all those counties down east. And folks said, well, you know, you need to wait until after Christmas. We said, why? Why do you all after holiday?

We went ending Christmas. We're going to do as a part of this gathering, a seven-stop tour across North Carolina leading up to this, jining people up, educating people, making sure they know what's going on, doing non-partisan voter guys that tell on people. We don't tell you who to vote for, but we can tell on them. And then you have to look at it and say, well, I love this, but I don't like this. But you got to do this work early and hard.

If we mention around and say, what we're going to do is have a remember March on Washington, wait all the way to August. Now, that's after the summer, then try to jam that out in September and October. I'm not saying some of that won't help, but it's why? And why take it all the way to D.C. when you can do it in these states. Right. In the states, I don't know why we can't get this. DC changed from Birmingham up, from Alabama, I mean, Jackson up, from Montgomery, up, from Selma up, not from D.C. down.

And that was, with an effort, I was looking the other day rolling. And I challenged for it. The last thing I'll say, I went back and read the speech that you and I often read, which is the speech Dr. King gave at the State House at the end of the Selma to Montgomery, March. When they told him that he was going to get shot. They told him don't do that speech, but he did it anyway. And he did it long. I mean, it was longer than the march.

I have the enormous never again, which we call I Have a Dream. It was like 45 minutes. But in that speech, he makes the point and says, the work that has been done across this nation grew out of the work done in three places, Birmingham, Selma, and Mount Gumman. And I thought about that, Roland. Yes, the movement's known all across the world, but Doc's primary focus was Alabama and Georgia.

Now, you see what I'm saying? He made sure that he did hard work. We often talk about Doc as a speaker and we try to isolate him as an individual. But no, no, no, go back. Birmingham, Montgomery, Selma, right? Without those three things, he says, in those speak, they would not have built

the models and the basis. And what other folk did was they picked up what they saw. So I'm saying the folk, you don't have to have, you don't have to wait right now. Take this model in North Carolina. What if a

50, 100 pastors decided to do this in Texas and then in Georgia? Do your state and look at these numbers. If you gin up 10% of just black folks who didn't engage in the last election. And then gin up 10% of poor and low wage people that didn't engage around an election.

You can flip almost any state, even these southern states, in particular in that large elections. Questions for my panel? Michael, you first. All right, Reverend William Barber. I think this is fantastic. And my question to you is for the people, for some of the people who are. are with you in this movement now.

They say, yes, brother, we get it. We're with you. But they didn't vote in November 2020 for election. What are some of the driving issues that cause them to realize, okay, we have to be engaged now? What are some of the driving issues or the reasons that cause them to say, okay, we get it now? Well, let me say a couple of things. I'm glad you raised that question because I just got out of a three-hour session yesterday. You know, I'm like, well, and I'm a fact person.

I'm a numbers person. So me too. We touched 11 million poor and low-wage voters three times during the last election, a nonpartisan way but in a very powerful way. We just had our statisticians and our meet with us, our team, to go over those numbers last week and then yesterday. And we found out that in the places where we were, and we know that they clicked on our text,

or they played, we sent people a video, a non-partisan report card, and a text message, that there was no less than an 8% uptick among those folks who were infrequent voters. Now, part of the issue is if we'd had more resources, we could have done it more because the extremists are hitting their people 12 times. See, there's been, we, too often, and the voters, we were going after a lot of people, so-called progressive folk don't even, they ignore them. That's one of the reason people don't vote.

We did a study and they said nobody talks to us. So you can reach them. Now, to your point, though, we are in a moment now where people have been hit. Like, you remember that? You remember that commercial when it says, thanks, I needed that.

Remember you put on it? Well, when these folk lost their health care and losing their snap, they're seeing more money put in ice than put in public education. I mean, you start looking at this. There is a level of pain now that has people wide awake. Our job now is to connect that pain to their power and show them you don't have to be suffering like this.

Here's the most statistic that is going to make somebody roll on your show cuss. And it's okay. the current Congress that we have in office right now is there because of a 7,000 vote margin in a time when 90 million people didn't vote. We have to start getting folk to understand that so they can own their power. Yep.

They can own their power. And every time I say that, when I go places and say that, and then I start telling people, did you realize in your state such and such a day? Folks say, well, damn. And that's what I want them to say. I want them to understand all this nonsense about it.

It doesn't make a difference. It's just nonsense. It's robots lying to you on social media. It's not real people who know the deal. And now in the midst of this, we've got this help folk understand if you love living wages. Because right now you've got a group of folk, they are thinking about nothing but firing you. If you love health care for everybody, not just access, but actual health care for everybody. If you love a society where we don't have to keep suffering ice raids and we can welcome emirous,

if you love expanded and protected voting rights, if you love a society where the military is checked and not unchecked and our cities aren't militarized, then you can't got to turn that love and that passion into power and you have it and it's real and it's possible. That's what I think my brother can help folk who are sitting on the sideline no longer sit there. And lastly, what's so powerful about this is you don't even have to get 100% of the folk that sat out. In most of these places, if you do a hard number, and that's why I'm going to meet their preacher groups meeting, I hope they got some statisticians. in these meetings and not just, you know, just, just, you know, saying cute things about Trump. The power is sometimes in as little as an 8% or 10% turnout of the folk that didn't come out. Absolutely. Matt.

Reverend Dr. Barber, my question for you is kind of a cousin of Michaels. And it's how much do you think there's going to be an influx, particularly of white voters who set on the sideline, maybe who were Trump-adjacent or Trump, I don't know, favorable, who didn't participate, who may now be spurred into participation because of economic issues, law enforcement issues. What is your thought on that and how that might affect either the midterms or just the ability to galvanize people actually getting out? Well, remember Dr. King said the greatest fear of the greedy oligoth in this country is for the masses of poor black people and poor. lowered white people and others to join together and form a voting

block that can fundamentally shift the economic architecture. He knew that in 65 which is why Dr. King began to mobilize black and white and brown and native and others. The reality is, I'm going to give you a stat that

there's a study that came out that said 19 million Biden voters didn't vote that voted for Biden, didn't vote, Not didn't vote for Trump, not didn't vote for Kamla, but voted for Trump, didn't vote. But when they asked them, the number one reason they didn't vote was there was not a clear mentioning of how poor and low wage people would be addressed, particularly on the issue of living wages and health care. Now, that's a study that just recently came out.

we found out in another study that that Trump only got 51% of poor and low wage voters. That means $50,000 a year in a family of four, regardless of their wife, only 51%. But that was the first time he or any other Republican got 51% of that population. But we also know that we did not see a clear pitch, particularly to folk, whether they be white people in East Kentucky or black people in the Delta, with an economic message and a message that connects racism and economics. So my point is, I think that we're in a time when a lot of folk who did not vote, As you heard me say, in

2024, 1.7 million poor and low-wage people in North Carolina didn't vote. That's black, white, whatnot. But now we've got 300,000 people who've lost their Medicaid and 300,000 who've lost their food stamps.

If you connect that pain to this moment and people understand it, I think you're going to see a large number of folk. And the challenge for us in this moment though, and I'll be very honest with you,

is wherever we're meeting, I'm asking people to do a thorough look at the outcome from the last election. We also have to look at the fact that somewhere... All right, son. Time to put out this campfire. Dad, we

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too. So what we got to look at is how do we build this team that Martin knew was the very thing the oligarchs feared, and particularly how do we as black folk help build that? We don't deal it with everybody, but if we build it with the right folk, we can fundamentally break through the Southern strategy. And lastly, remember what the Southern strategy said. It said, we must make sure that blacks and whites never find themselves united in election. We must foster division at every time. And in a book called A Time of Illusion, they said, we might create a Frankenstein. If we do, we will lie. But in the meantime, positive polarization is the way we win. Now, that's their strategy and has been for the last 50 years, then our strategy has to be the opposite. Thank you.

Candice. Mr. Barbara, in terms of where the people are to go and meet them and let them know the issues, to let them know the dates, where would you say those places are? Is it the church? Is it going door to door? Are there other ways that you are finding that the people that need to get, to the polls can be reached. What are those doors that you might be opening that might be new that folks might not think of in terms of how to get folks who haven't voted out to the box? Well, thank you so much that question. I might, as they say, take a scripture.

After the day of Pentecost, the people were told that this is how you organize people. You start in Jerusalem, you go to Judea, you go to Samaria, and then you go to the other most parts of the world. So let's just say I'm a church and we've got folks that are ready to go out mobilized. First thing you do is make sure everybody in your church is mobile line. Don't let them folk lie to you. Don't think just because you got $20,000 folks sitting up on Sunday morning

that they actually turn it out. You need to have a mobilization team right inside the congregation, right? Number one. Number two, draw a five-mile circle around your church that building where it sits. and make that your next target. And inside of that target, go to the communities closest to your church

that represent poor and low-wage voters because the greatest potential for expanding the vote is among the 80 million poor and low-wage voters in the last couple of elections, 30 million of them didn't vote. And you heard me say the number one reason is no one talks to them. Number two, make sure you understand

that you can't just preach a sermon on this. It has to be strategic. And then you must take the church into the street. I don't believe in just preaching in the pulpit. Wherever there's places in the hood, places in communities. And remember when

I say poor and low wage and low wealth, I'm not talking about somebody just, you know, $20,000 a year in a family. From $50,000 in a family, for down is where we've got to 50,000 down. So wherever those pockets are, and if you're mobilizing,

in other words, we also have to mobilize from the Delta to Appalachia. From the Delta to Appalachia. I'll tell you a quick story, and I'll stop. When Bershear won in Kentucky, you all know the new, we were mobilizing in Kentucky in Louisville and in,

in Hazard County. Now, you know, the Dukes of Hazard, right? Yes. Folks said, Barbara, you are crazy. They don't get you out there in Hazard. But what folk didn't know is that in Hazard County and Harlot County, Holland County, those are the counties from which Justice Holland came, who was the only Supreme Court justice to vote against Plessy versus Virgin.

They didn't realize that Harlan County and, And hazard county are the counties where the song, which side are you on was written by a white woman who challenged the coal bosses and the government people who were dropping bombs on top of the miners, black and white miners, who were working together in those coal mines. So we went out there and we mobilized.

And we showed people how they were being fooled and bamboozer. And we challenged anybody who was running to come out there. We didn't endorse a candidate. When we left, Bershear heard the challenge and started changing his schedule. And he didn't just go to Lexington and Louisville. He started going out, not sending somebody, but going out to those counties. And we kept mobilized. Do you know that four of those six counties flipped in Kentucky?

And he unseated an incumbent Republican governor. in Kentucky. And the night that he won, he paid homage to what he had learned in the movement. He said, I found out this, in running this time, that some issues aren't black versus white, they are right versus wrong. Some issues aren't Republican versus Democrat.

They are right versus wrong. Some issues are not partisan. They are moral. And he committed to felony reenfranchisement. He committed to restore. health care because he found out a lot of those folk in eastern

Kentucky lost their health care right wasn't just black folk and he found out but he also found out that raising wages and union and guess what he's won a second turn my point is this can happen but we have to

as you say go to the way you do it is you've got to do a race and an economic mapping of your community and that's go and the target when we talk about poor and low wage is again 50,000 and low blow in a family of four. That's what we call poor and low wage.

Thank you. And you can't do that unless you actually take the time and understand the data. You've got to pull the data to understand what's going on. You can't just have these verbal conversations, anecdotal and stuff along those lines. you got to we talk about micro you got to sit here and you got to say all right leaving this rally collected data on who's here now we're going to need folk to target not just county city neighborhood blocks streets houses it can't just be preachers it can't just be preachers standing in the pulpit saying i need y'all to go out and vote no the preachers need to be

saying uh there's a point zero five a point one zero a 0.25 mile radius around the church and we're going to knock on doors in our radius. That's how this thing is going to happen. Because to your point, Trump is there because of 7,000 votes. They

can lose if you mobilize 7, 10, 20, 30, 40,000 people and that's what's done one by one. That's micro to macro. You can't do macro to micro. No. And I want you all to hear what Ramona and I sing. The

current Congress that is turning loose this president. Most of what he's done, he could not have done it without the Congress, right? He could not have passed a big deadly, ugly, destructive bill. He would not be able to do the tariffs. He would not been able to have unchecked militarism. Mike Johnson is the speaker because of 7,000 votes in a plan when 90 million people didn't vote. And what we should have is our best.

people. Cornel is one of them. I talked to Cornell all the time. Cecilia Lake is another who focus on these and you can get it as Rose said all the way down to the block and you target infrequent vote. These are people who vote but for some reason they're infrequent. And if you target poor and low wage infrequent voters up until last year, the majority of poor and low wage folk when they voted, tend to vote progressive. Now, when you start getting over that 50,000 and you talk about those are the

quote unquote whites, if you will, that tend to vote so extreme is those a little bit. But the reality is, and we blame poor folk for a lot of stuff. The reality is most poor folk have stayed home, right? They don't vote because they say nobody talks to us. Nobody comes to see us. Nobody targets that adds to us. Think about it. When's the last time you've heard of president? presidential debate where the issue of poverty even got five minutes of discussion. Think about it, except on rolling show, right? So the point is, the data tells us that those folks are, there's 83 million of them, 57 million voted in the last election, some 30 million didn't.

When we did our targeting, we said to our data folk, we want to reach 15 million, half of the infrequent poor and low-wage voters. And I'm going to tell you, Roleman, what we found out yesterday, and the guy who talked to us and helped us go through the number, he said, Brabba, the only reason that you all didn't have a more impact was resources. Because you touch them as much. And he said, he said, and the guy said, it's a shame that folks spent billions of dollars on these consultants and everybody else. and nobody, when they heard what the program you're doing, and this is nonpartisan, didn't at least say,

we'll put enough money here so you can reach these four 10 times. He said the method, the ideology is right. It's the funding. And we have to understand. Everybody's not interested in all the people participating because it would shift the power. But if we say the fault, all I talk, 7,000 votes in the Congress and who people voted for made the difference between whether or not

you have who you have leading the Congress. It's both frightening, but it also ought to be encouraging because it tells us that winning now is whether or not we're going to intensify and emboldened our. voting power agitation. That's it. Folks, February 11th through the 14th, taking place in North Carolina, Blackstarnetwork.com.

Put the graphic up, please. Blackstarnetwork.com will be on the ground in support of this. With Bishop William Barber repairs of the brief for people's campaign. So again, if y'all can pull the graphic up, that would be great. Again, this is taking place

on February 11th through the 14. We're going to have, we'll be running that promo video. We're going to have more. details about this because but again folks what Bishop said this is not just about North Carolina you should be mobilizing organizing organizing in your state as well Bishop always the pleasure appreciate it take care take care God bless forward together thanks a bunch going to a quick break we come back headlines

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And the North Carolina town is addressing a historic injustice by returning land to the Cherokee Indians. The town of Franklin voted unanimously to return the Nacquazi mound to the eastern band of Cherokee Indians. This decision is significant because the mound is the largest unexcavated mound in the southeast and holds profound spiritual importance for the Cherokee people. The site has been previously owned for about 200 years and was part of a Cherokee mother town before the founding of the United States. The city council's decision reflects the tribe's commitment to reclaiming ancestral territory and preserving cultural heritage. Next steps will involve the tribal council agreeing to take control of the land, initiating the legal process to transfer the title and ensuring that the site is managed responsibly by the tribe. Roland?

All right, Brittany, we appreciate it. All right, Michael, Candace, as well as Matt. My goodness, there were a couple of our congressional hearings. week that were pretty wild. And we showed you Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett and some others, but, ooh, man, did Congresswoman Summer Lee of Pennsylvania

get into it with James Comer? Watch this. So many people on this committee have already articulated. Nobody here believes that rooting out fraud and waste and abuse is not a top priority of this committee, of our caucus, of their conference.

It is. If you're on this committee, it is the top charge. that we all undertake incredibly seriously. But I think like so many things with the modern Republican Party, it's like you're skulking right around the edge of things, but too often, you're bigotry. The Republican Party's own bigotry is imprisoning them and keeping them from ever actually doing something

that helps, not harms the American people. And this is another one of those instances, right? When it's a person of color, if it's two or three, it's a pattern. And the entire community must be indicted, but if it's 100 Republicans, it's just not neither here or there because it's important. That's why we have routinely held hearings where we actually go over with the government accountability office. Their high risk list, we take it

seriously. But the tone of this hearing seems to be a hypocritical witch hunt is hard to take it as anything but that rather than an actual oversight effort. Our federal government currently has the tools to catch and prevent waste, fraud and abuse. It's how the alleged fraud in Minnesota was caught by the Biden administration in the first place. Mr. Blue, as a former federal prosecutor, you're familiar with some of the tools that we have, correct? Yes. Just briefly, could you please verify the following tools for me? Yes or no. Does the government accountability office work to reduce waste, fraud, and abuse? Yes. Do inspectors generals work towards these goals? Absolutely. What about the General, the Council of the

inspectors general on integrity and efficiency. Yes. Are whistleblower is important to rooting out waste fraud and abuse? Absolutely. Has the Trump administration helped hurt or hurt these tools? Certainly hurt it by disbanding the counsel for inspectors general and then ultimately firing 19 IJs. Thank you.

That's right. Again and again, Trump has attacked the oversight mechanisms within the federal government. He illegally fired 17 inspectors general and other key personnel. He goes after whistleblowers. and he tries to roll back their protections. He routinely ignores the rampant corruption within his own administration. Republicans have turned a blind eye to all of this. They have held no hearings on these actions.

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The progressive media darling whose public meltdown got her fired. I'm going to take Francesco off the network entirely. The massive TikTok boycott against Target that makes no actual sense. I will continue getting stuff from Target. and I will continue to not pay for it. And the MAGA influencers, whose trip to the White House ended in embarrassment. So refreshing to have the press secretary after the last few years who's both intelligent and articulation. You won't hear about these online stories in the mainstream media,

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That's why it's so disappointing to see that the Minnesota House Fraud Prevention Committee that our witness, the Honorable Kristen Robbins, chairs, has issued no reports on these uncovered schemes. It hasn't advanced any legislation to address the issue or even shared whistleblower reports with their Democratic colleagues. They've just held a bunch of hearings and generated headlines something our committee is all too familiar with. This hearing is not an effort by Republicans to improve social service programs. It's an excuse to end them and to punish Democratic-led states. This has always been the plan. It's why Republicans so-called big, beautiful bill is estimated to cut more than one.

trillion from Medicaid and CHIP benefits and cut SNAP for 40 million people. The very children are folks with disabilities who were mentioned in the opening statements. Trump has also already taken advantage of the situation in Minnesota. After a YouTuber harassed and posted unsubstantiated claims of fraud against child care centers, HHS froze child care funding to Minnesota, which would affect more than 23,000 children. Just yesterday, Trump also froze approximately 10 billion in funding for programs supporting child care, social services, grants, and cash assistance and not only Minnesota, but in other Democratic-led states of California, Colorado, New York,

and Illinois, no matter what party we're elected to, we represent the people of our district, Democrat or Republican, we represent as the federal government, all people of all states, irrespective of how they voted. That's the charge that I took, and I would like and hope that you all would do the same. When so many of these social service programs are being gutted and defund it, fraud becomes even more harmful as that means even less money is going to people who need it. People need these programs. This situation should be an opportunity to take a deep look at the programs and improve their oversight abilities, not an excuse to cut them entirely. If we care about the most vulnerable, if we care about the most marginalized, this is an opportunity

to do so. And I welcome us to actually do that one day. Thanks, I'll back. Ms. Lee, the IGs are hired to identify fraud. They haven't identified fraud. The IGs have failed. But anyway, you all have failed. No, you all continue to fail. We've done nothing. You have a gavel, Mr. Comer.

We barely do hearings on anything that actually affects change. You have failed. You want us to be more money, more money, and yet you don't do anything. Yes, he actually initiated this, sir, but thank you so much for your opinion. You have failed. I yield it back. recognizes Mr. Perry from Pennsylvania for five minutes. Thank the chair.

Oh, that's how you get that ass, Matt. Yeah, and that's how you show receipts. I mean, you know, look, this is the same kind of cognitive dissonance we always talk about on the show, but they're the first ones, Republicans primarily to talk about, you know, rule of law, the process, the whole deal. And then you got the oversight for that. If you really wanted that, then you would beef up those. process, is not remove them. And, you know, I'm glad that she called that out. I'm glad that she

specifically said, you know, don't we already have mechanism or weren't there mechanisms that we're supposed to root out what you're claiming is this fraud and abuse and waste. And if you get rid of those, then you're talking that of both sides of your head. And we know that the administration has been doing that. We also know that Doge, from my understanding, did not post the results that it was talking it was going to have. So that's all lip service. It's all rhetoric. And I think that rhetoric is not going to bode well for them when it comes to the midterm because what people are actually saying is inflated cost and they are not seeing cheaper groceries as they were promised they would be seeing very shortly upon Mr. Trump's return. Michael? Yeah, Summer Lee exposed more of this nonsense

coming from the Trump administration and coming from these feckless Republicans in a very unproductive 119th Congress. And this is an example. So you, so you had Trump fired 17 inspector generals because criminals don't want oversight. That's what this is about. Criminals do not want oversight. And they want to remove those mechanisms that will be the guardrails that will investigate them. And it's also important to note that the prosecution of Somalis, like in Minnesota when it came to the COVID-19 fraud or things like this. That began in 2022 under the Biden-Harris administration, under the Biden-Harris Department of Justice. Okay.

So Comer doesn't want to mention that for some reason either. But this is the result of 7,000 votes, as William, Reverend William Barber said, the reason why Republicans are in control of all these committees, the reason why they're in control of the House of Representatives, is because of 7,000 votes and out of, however many million who voted in 2024. So this is what we have to change in 2026. These are consequential elections.

Oh, they are indeed are. And so we'll see exactly how people wanna operate when it comes to this. Gentlemen, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Matt, Michael, thank you so much. Oh, by the way, Matt, I was waiting for you congratulate Texas A&M winning the NCAA volleyball championship.

I know I think your, well, your parent school, not yours because you went to Howard. I think they lost in the semis at home. And so I didn't get to play us, but those things happened. So I just want to give you that shout out. Congrats on at least make it to the semifinals. Am I, no, no, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hold on, wait, wait, wait, I'm sorry.

I just messed up. In the Congress. Let me factually correct myself. Y'all didn't make the semifinals. You lost in, you lost in eight. We made the semi and won the national title. You never should have done this. But that's nice.

Congratulations on a, congratulations of a decent season, but the best team of the SEC as well as the national champions are Texas. So where to go. All right. We'll move on. We'll move on the basketball. basketball next Michael go ahead and before we leave I got to give a shout out to my brothers of five beta sigma fraternity

incorporated happy why 112 founders day as well since you mentioned Howard university founded January 9th 1914 so we got to give a shout out to them blue five gold mob and shout out to my frat brother there in your control room to rail as well um when is y'all final day? January 9th, today. Oh, I, okay. You know it rolling. Stop. No, literally I do not. You know, literally it's all over your timeline. You know it. Actually not. I don't think there's in there's absolutely nothing on my timeline about five years of the five days. You know it's all over your timeline. Like nothing. I have not seen jet my timeline about five days is. I mean, like, I know you older than me. I think it's like for you to go get your eyesick again. Like not now social media.

And I'm on 12 social media. I ain't seen nothing on Instagram, fan base, TikTok, Snapchat, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,

stopible, Spine, LinkedIn. I ain't, I'm on Facebook and Instagram. It's all over the place. That's, that's,

1.1 million on Facebook. That's true. Network. It's all over. know, you know, you may want to get your eyes checked again, rolling. That's, that's cute on y'all, nice little day. But, yeah, that's cute. That's cute.

So, congratulations on your cute day. All right. That is, happy new year. That is it for us. Y'all don't know the only thing that matter of December 4th, 1906, the rest of these people. Whatever. All right. Matt, Michael, Candace.

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