#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Preachers Pounce on GA; Okla Jones Clemency; Adultification Bias; SC Black Man $650,000 Settlement

Episode Date: November 19, 2021

11.18.21 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Preachers Pounce on GA; Okla Jones Clemency; Adultification Bias; SC Black Man $650,000 SettlementThe same defense attorney made another motion for a mistrial, and the white man who pulled the trigger admits Ahmaud Arbery was not a threat to him. He just wanted Arbery to answer his questions.It was down the last few hours before the planned execution, but Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitts commutes Julius Jones' death sentence to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Julius Jones' sister, Antionette, will join us tonight.Homer Plessy of the landmark case Plessy v. Ferguson will be pardoned posthumously by Louisiana Governor.His Supreme Court case paved the way for hundreds of juveniles sentenced to life without parole. Today Henry Montgomery is a free man.A black South Carolina man who was stomped in the head by a white police officer will be getting $650,000 and an apology.A study reveals black girls are more than likely to be harmed by police officers. We'll talk to a reporter from The Marshall Project who will explain what "Adultification Bias" is and what is being done to stop it.#RolandMartinUnfiltered partners:Verizon | Verizon 5G Ultra Wideband, now available in 50+ cities, is the fastest 5G in the world.* That means that downloads that used to take minutes now take seconds. 👉🏾https://bit.ly/30j6z9INissan | Check out the ALL NEW 2022 Nissan Frontier! As Efficient As It Is Powerful! 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/3FqR7bPAmazon | Get 2-hour grocery delivery, set up you Amazon Day deliveries, watch Amazon Originals with Prime Video and save up to 80% on meds with Amazon Prime 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/3ArwxEh+ Don’t miss Epic Daily Deals that rival Black Friday blockbuster sales 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/3iP9zkv👀 Manage your calendar, follow along with recipes, catch up on news and more with Alexa smart displays + Stream music, order a pizza, control your smart home and more with Alexa smart speakers 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/3ked4liBuick | It's ALL about you! The 2022 Envision has more than enough style, power and technology to make every day an occasion. 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/3iJ6ouPSupport #RolandMartinUnfiltered and #BlackStarNetwork via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛ https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfilteredDownload the #BlackStarNetwork app on iOS, AppleTV, Android, Android TV, Roku, FireTV, SamsungTV and XBox 👉🏾 http://www.blackstarnetwork.com#RolandMartinUnfiltered and the #BlackStarNetwork are news reporting platforms covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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well black pastors responded a lot of folks out here we would talk with. Cliff Albright, co-founder of Black Voters Matter, he was out here. They also marched with the Transform Justice Coalition. We'll hear from Barbara Arnwine. Also, we'll talk with Ben Dixon of the Ben Dixon Podcast. He was broadcasting out here as well. The men who were convicted of killing Malcolm X, they are now officially. Charters have been dropped that came down today

in New York City. And so we'll talk about that as well. Lots more to talk about what took place here. You have the Kyle Rittenhouse trial going on. The governor of Oklahoma finally commutes the sentence of Julius Jones. And so he was not put to death today. A lot to discuss.

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He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best. You know he's rolling, Martin. Martin. iPad. This folks here, this was a drone shot earlier today where black pastors, they gathered here at the Glynn County Courthouse in Georgia. This is where the three white men who are on trial for killing Ahmaud Arbery, where it is taking place, several hundred gathered here. Other people here as well. They were out here. There were, of course, numerous folks who were speaking. You had

folks with their signage. Again, black pastors showed up and showed out. They had signs and shirts saying Black Pastors Matter. And it was all in support of standing with the Amon Arbery family. It was last week where one of the white attorneys went to court and actually tried to block black pastors. Go back to the iPad, please, folks. But it wasn't just that. So you'll see the people who are out there, who were here. You will see them.

They were out there. They were preaching. They were praying. They wanted a show of force to let folks in this city, in this county, know that African-Americans are going to stand with the Arbery family. There were pastors from all across Georgia, all across the country who were here, who decided to come here as a show of force. And again, it was it was a really great scene. Attorney Ben Crump, Attorney Lee Merritt, others standing with the family. They were out here as well. Like I said, they had the signs. People were

out here as early as 7 o'clock this morning. Initially, the rally, the prayer vigil was supposed to start around 11 a.m. Reverend Al Sharpton's plane was delayed. He did not get here until almost 1230. And then they started the vigil really around 115. And so different members of the Aubrey family, they spoke, including Marcus Aubrey, his father, also his sister. She spoke as well. And so that was taking place here. And so we're going to keep showing you, keep rolling that video.

And then later, of course, every Thursday, they have a march from the courthouse into the community to an Ahmaud Arbery mural that's several blocks away. We live streamed that event just like we live streamed this event right here. And so we're going to show some of that. So stay on this video. Joining us right now is Cliff Albright, co-founder of Black Voters Matter. Cliff, it was great to see people turn out to stand with this family. That's what it was all about. It wasn't about a photo op. It wasn't about any of that. It was letting this family know they are not alone. That's right, definitely.

Letting this family know that they're not alone, but also letting this entire community know that it's not alone because these issues are affecting this entire Brunswick-Glynn County community. So it's very important for folks to come here. And to what I've been talking about is the importance of bearing witness, right? You know, bearing witness is something that's got spiritual importance, right? Like you've got to be able to bear witness or else you can't have people appreciate what the miracle is, right? Unless somebody's bear witness that the stone has been moved and the body is no longer in the grave,

then you can't appreciate the miracle, right? But in this context, bearing witness is also important because in bearing witness, we help tell a story about what's going on in this context, bearing witness is also important because in bearing witness, we help tell a story about what's going on in this courthouse. In bearing witness, we actually put pressure and bring correction because the fact of the matter is the defense attorney told on himself and told the truth when he said that having these black pastors inside the courtroom is intimidating, right? It's distracting. What we know is that they have filed motion after motion trying to even get Barbara and Daryl, Transformative Justice Coalition, who's been here since day one, trying to get them out of here, trying to get black pastors out of here. And every minute that

they spend filing a motion like that, guess what? That's one less minute that they have telling the lies that they've been telling in the story about the way that they hunted down and murdered Obama. Here's some video. Reverend Jesse Jackson Sr., he was out here, of course, marching with the young folks, marched with the Transformed Justice Coalition as well. And he made it perfectly clear that he wanted to be out here. And so to your point there about the family, about what these attorneys are doing, I mean, you know, they've been playing the white supremacy card as hard as possible. That is they want black people silenced. They literally tried

to they tried to stop Marcus Arbery from even looking at the jury. I mean, serious. That's right. It's the epitome of trying to control our bodies. Right. You want to even control not just whether we're present in the courtroom. You want to control who I look at or how I look or what I have on or, you know, even what mask. He made a point about saying somebody had on, I don't know if it was a Black Lives Matter or a Black Voters Matter mask on. But yeah, but that's the point that there's a lot of, you know, there's a lot of yokes that need to be broken in this community. And it's communities like this. It's like Brunswick and Glynn County and other rural, smaller, smaller communities. And so that's why it's so important that we be present here for

this trial to deal with this very specific issue, to get justice for Ahmaud and his family and his community. But there's a range of, there's actually a mayor's election taking place right now in this community. And there's issues on the ballot like Confederate monuments and housing issues. You know, this is a very, you've been here, right? You can see the disparities in this community. On the one hand, you come down the street and there's a yacht club.

But on the other hand, when you do this march through the community that we just did, you see vacant houses and dilapidated blocks and things of that nature, right? So there's yokes that need to be broken in this community. The forces that led to these three lynchers. We're doing what they did. And at least this defense attorney talking about we don't want black people.

Those forces are too great. Hold tight one second. For some reason, we lost Cliff's audio. I don't know why. So it reason, we lost Cliff's audio. I don't know why. So it looks like we got the audio back. You know, okay, so guys, talk to me. Do we have audio or not? I don't understand how we're losing audio.

Cliff, go ahead and talk. Let's see if you can see the game. Testing 1, 2, 3, Brunswick, Georgia. Justice for a mind. Okay. Okay, guys in the control room, listen. Me and Cliff are on the same line. Okay, listen.

We're on the same line. You lose Cliff, you lose me. Okay? So y'all got to work that out. All right, Cliff. So on that particular point there, when you talk about the work that y'all do, that's what people need to understand. The DAs that initially did not step up to prosecute these three white men, those are

elected positions. And so for the people out there, and I saw some of them on our YouTube page and our Facebook page saying, oh, oh no, you know, all this marching stuff doesn't work. It's ineffective. They're lying. They don't understand you have to organize, mobilize, in order to galvanize the people to create change. And even events like this are still organizing and mobilizing events. So one of the things that we do when we do these marches, I've done a couple with Barbara and Daryl now, and again, hats off to them for being here since day one.

But when we do the marches through the community, without fail, one of the things that we do is we say to folks that are watching, because there's always folks on the side of the street watching. Sometimes they're doing the cameras and doing Facebook Live or whatever. And we always shout out to them and say, hey, come on and join us. Come get on this caravan. Come get in the streets. We've got a

spot for you in these streets, because guess what? These streets are our streets. And so when you use, if you go back to the Selma to Montgomery March, that was the same thing that Kwame Turey, Stokely Carmichael at the time, and SNCC did. They weren't just marching. They peeled off the march in places like Lowndes County and organized things like the Lowndes County Freedom Organization.

So when we have events like this, when we have trials like this, when we do marches like this, this isn't just performative, right? This is something, it's an organizing tool because at the end of the day, we've got to bring more people into this process. And when we do that, we can win elections, we can beat DAs. The DA that first tried to bury this case is no longer DA because this community found a way to take his pain and turn it into power and got rid of that DA. We can do that when we use these opportunities. We shouldn't be in this situation. We want Ahmad to be here.

But if what's going to happen is what happened, then we need to find a way to turn that pain and turn it into power and to organize our communities. You said something there, and I've got to ask you this here. Just the other day, Derek Johnson, who leads the NAACP, made a comment at the march that took place in D.C. fighting for voting rights where he basically dissed those who had been getting arrested, calling it performative. Well, last I checked, that's how the NAACP got to be the NAACP. In fact, out here, I didn't see many NAACP signs. And so when you hear that comment, and I've got my folks working on the book, Derek, I want to hear what the hell he means by that. Protest is not performative. It's the First Amendment. Protest is how the pressure was put, and we'll talk about it a little bit later,

on the governor of Oklahoma to commute the death sentence of Julius Jones. And so I'm trying to, he mentioned, well, you know, we filed these lawsuits and we're calling on athletes not to sign with Texas teams. Well, is that performative? I mean, so when you hear that, when you hear that, that to me also is depressing to the people who we are trying to get excited on an issue. And if you are willing enough to come out with a sign and stand in the heat and march, that means you're you're probably willing to go an extra step. That's right. Exactly. And, you know, it's just what you said. You've got to be willing to recognize, you know, Malcolm says, by any means necessary, and there are lots of different ways you can interpret that, but one of the ways that we

interpret it is that you've got to be willing to use every tool that we have at our disposal. And, yeah, there's a space for lawsuits. We file lawsuits. Life goes better than a bunch of lawsuits right now. But that doesn't stop us from also saying, but we've got to organize our people. We've got to do some marches. We've got to organize to win some elections. And, yes, we've got to get arrested because, as you said, it demonstrates to the opposition how far you are willing to go to get the demands that you are seeking.

I don't know anybody that would talk about Dr. King in a letter from Birmingham jail and say that was just performative because he got arrested, or that the children in the Birmingham march, the Children's Crusade, who got arrested in spite of dogs in firehouses, that that was just performative, or as we're fighting for this voting rights battle right now, that the people that got on the bridge in Selma to go to Montgomery, that that was just performative. It's more than that. That's part of what energizes folks. That's part of what energizes folks. It's part of what educates folks. It raises awareness.

And again, it sends a message to your opposition that when we say we want voting rights, that we are serious. When we say that we want justice for Ahmaud, that we are serious and we are willing to put our bodies on the line and to be arrested and to pay fees. I had to spend the night in the D.C. jail. I'm going to tell you right now, there ain't nothing performative about spend the night in the D.C. jail. I'm going to tell you right now, there ain't nothing performative about spending a night in the D.C. jail, right? You've got to be serious about what it is that you're fighting for when you're willing to go to

those lengths. And when we do that, we send a message to the other folks that we're trying to pull in this process that we are serious and we want you to be a part and that there's space for you. And not everybody has to go to jail. There's a role for everybody to play, but part of how we get people willing to play these roles, whether it's to cook or to sing at an event or to send a text, when they see us willing to go to certain lengths, it sends a message and it gets more people involved.

And I wish that the NAACP at the national level, because I want to be clear, we do a lot of work with NAACP chapters in different communities. And they're down for some of these actions. They do some of these actions. Right. We just would love to see if at the highest level that instead of criticizing, quote unquote, performative actions, if they would support some of these actions. Because we can walk and shoot gum at the same time. We've got nothing against lawsuits, but you best believe that we've got to do that and all these other tactics that we've got to do because we're not oppressed

through one mechanism, and we're not going to overcome our oppression through just one mechanism. All right. Cliff Albright, co-founder of Black Voters Matter. Man, I appreciate it. Always good to see you on the front lines. Thank you. You always show up for our people, and we appreciate that so much.

I appreciate it, brother. Thanks a lot. All right. I want to bring in my panel right now, folks, to talk about this is one of the issues. We have Greg Carr, of course, Department of African American Studies at Howard University, Recy Colbert, Black Women Views, Faraji Muhammad, radio and TV host. Glad to have you here. In a moment, we're going to talk to Ben Dixon.

He's going to join us as well. Ben's going to join us on the panel here to talk about this here. Let me start with you, Greg. And that is it was to see the folks out here to Cliff's point, to clear Cliff. You can go ahead. To Cliff's point, you know, what's important, seeing the voices and seeing the people. And, in fact, I'm going to do this here. Let me try to grab my – I've got a couple things here.

I'm trying to grab my iPad. Thanks a lot, Cliff. I know, folks, I got it. But I want to try something here because, Greg, we live streamed this a little bit earlier. And that is, as I said, Barbara Arnwine and the Transform Justice Coalition, they said every Thursday they have done a march through the community. They were led by the children today. I want to show that video if we can. And when people gather, when people are mobilizing, organizing, it matters. It matters.

And it's also important if your son was killed, you know, I would damn sure feel a hell of a lot better if four or five hundred people showed up to stand with me to oppose these racists representing these three white men, these white racists who kill Ahmaud Arbery. Yes. Yes, Roland. And in fact, by the way, I want to again honor you and anyone who didn't watch last night, the interview you did with Ahmaud Arbery's father, you really, please go back and watch that. You know, it means the world for folks to have support. The first time I saw, in fact, Reverend Barber in person, I was campus advisor that year for the Howard NAACP student chapter, and they convinced me to ride a bus

as their chaperone from DC to Raleigh for a weekend rally. And at that time, Reverend Barber was, I believe he was the statewide president of the NAACP at the time. And, of course, that was part of the work that led to Moral Mondays and the challenges in Raleigh that tension has been there since the founding of the NAACP. Since the NAACP in the 1920s and 30s at the national level began to pursue the courts as their primary strategy, and the local branches of the NAACP have always had tension. Remember the battle between Mecca Evers in Mississippi and Roy Wilkins at the national level. It's always been there. That's not unusual.

The only other thing I would say is, and I think this is a larger point, the tensions are being heightened in this country as it pulls itself apart by not taking head on white nationalism. What we're seeing is civil society, and this looks very much closer to South Africa, to everywhere from Poland to Brazil, people are in the streets. And what you see is civil society, not just clergy, is confronting the state. And this is heightening the tensions between human rights campaign,

not just civil rights campaign, but human rights struggles and a state apparatus that has proven itself either unwilling or unable to defend our basic human rights. And so this development, as you said, finally, is really an exercise in showing the state that you are not in charge. You are not in charge and this will not go away.

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the defense of presenting their case again uh trying to make the argument uh and it was shameful uh to hear uh these folks talk about how they were afraid they were in danger i'm sorry three white men in trucks with guns chasing a black man down the street, and they're the ones who were afraid? Really? You're not going to give me the cussing already, Roland. But, you know, it's just, it's completely asinine. It's gaslighting. You know, it's as though people don't understand that black people are human beings, not prey to be hunted upon. I saw that the defendant said that Ahmaud Arbery was acting weird. Yeah, you know, I would be acting really weird if some white man in a damn pickup truck was following behind me.

You doggone right. I'm going to get a little jittery, right? And I would run for the hills, too. And that's what Ahmaud Arbery was faced with. He had no choice but to run because he wasn't armed, unlike these vigilante slave patrol racists and modern-day lynchers. And so it's incredibly offensive that, you know, white people seem to believe that they're our overseers and that we have to not only answer to them, we have to show deference to them in a way that's unthreatening to them when they are threatening our existence and our autonomy to move about this world in a very safe and free way.

As they said, he didn't yell out any threats to them. He didn't acknowledge them. He wasn't even verbal with them. He simply was running. And that is his, well, that was his prerogative to do. And so this is just so offensive. But, you know, I thought it was a really strange comment to call these kind of protests performative. I think what Cliff said, there is a role for everybody is so important. I mean, listen, everybody doesn't believe in the

electoral process. We may preach it on here, the importance of voting and local elections and how the D.A. was voted out, for for instance, judges are voted on in most cases, if not voted on, they're appointed by people that we vote into office. But there are people who, who may not believe in that, but they believe in getting out in the streets and making their voice heard. And there, there needs to be visibility, especially when it comes to Black issues, because with us, it's out of sight, out of mind. And it shouldn't need, we shouldn't need to parade our pain for the entire country to feast upon in order to get some empathy and to get some measure of justice. But that's the, the, that's the reality that we live in. And so my hats are off to anybody who's getting involved in any way that they see fit. Lawsuits, there's a place for those, but there's absolutely a place for people to be out in the streets because these folks are out in the street. These anti-CRT people are out

at these board, at these education board meetings. You know, these insurrectionists were out. These people are showing up to see JFK Jr. come back from the dead and be vice president. So, you know, there are plenty of people that are out on the streets for plenty of causes. This is 100 percent. Certainly this voting rights and a number of other ones are certainly causes that warrant us being out in the street. Everybody that's out there is doing a great service to the Aubrey family and to the community at large. Faraji, today in the courtroom with the defense, they arrested, they called a total of seven witnesses today. And again, they contend that they were there to make a citizen's arrest of Ahmaud Arbery. But, of course, never saw that he took anything, had no idea if he took anything. Didn't really know if he was actually the person they were looking for.

They even said, oh, there was these rash of break-ins in the neighborhood. But then the prosecutor said, I'm sorry, there were only four reported car break-ins in one year. What happened to all of this rash? And so, I mean, you see what is going on here. And the bottom line is they're trying their best to sit here and get, try to get off. But the bottom line is, this really is a closed and shut case, and it should not take this jury long at all. Closing arguments will be on Monday.

Should not take the jury long at all to say, nah, these three, guilty. Take your butt to prison for the rest of your lives. Oh, no doubt. No doubt. And I think the big part of this is something I'm going to say with that. I'm going to go back to Reese's point. I mean, Travis McMichael admitted on the stand that Ahmaud Arbery did not present or pose to be any threat before they started taking out the guns and started the chase after this brother. He didn't pose any threat. I mean, he's literally running. He's running through the neighborhood. They have they have footage of him running through the neighborhood from from different cameras. Nothing that is permeating throughout this country, where you can't even just walk through a neighborhood.

I mean, this is a neighborhood Ahmaud Arbery all has been running through for many times. And at this point, it's like you can't even do that so much anymore. And it's absolutely mind-blowing that they took it upon themselves and that they want the court, they want the people to really believe it. They're grasping for straws at this point. They're coming up with any type of excuse to give them some justification for the killing of this brother. I hope they do just come to a very quick decision and put all their asses behind

bars. But more importantly, more importantly, this process of organizing black folks, man, we got to make sure that when we organize, we organize, we have a goal in mind. We got to make sure that when we organize, we're all on, and pretty much try to be on the same page because it's not a good look when the national president of the NAACP is calling them protesters performative. It's not a good look when you when when that's what the NAACP, as you say, brother, has been doing. That's how you get the next generation of freedom fighters engaged and involved. And now you're just going to dismiss it as being some sort of performative or some sort of political theater? That's not—lawsuits are fine. Lawsuits are fine.

But you need to get people out there. I mean, I've taken my son—he's eight. I've taken my son to protest the marches, and just for him to see and feel the energy. I personally went to the Million Man March when I was 16 years old. And when I stood there amongst my brothers, two million black men on the Capitol, I said, man, this right here, this is what it's all about. And I never turned back. I never just, oh man, I'm never doing that again. Those are life changing experiences that we cannot rob the next generation or adults in our community from. We have to be on the front lines. And I'm so happy that we got an

opportunity to have a platform like this. But more importantly, I'm so happy that there are opportunities for young people and the older people of our community to come together to organize and fight for change. Ben Dixon Jones is right now being glad to have you with the Ben Dixon podcast. You broadcast from here this morning. And Ben, look, we cover a lot of these different stories. And sometimes there are 100, 200, 300, 500, 1,000 or whatever. And it's very interesting to me when I look at comments as we're broadcasting live. People are like, ah, this is a waste.

Y'all out here for the white man. Oh, this serves no purpose. We got to do for self. I mean, you hear all the people go back and forth as if if they were in the same situation, they would not be pleased if there was somebody who cared enough to travel near and far to be able to say, I stand with you. Right. And I think I think people need to take a second and consider that if they were in that same position, that they would want everyone else to move heaven and earth in order to get justice for their family and to take into consideration that we have the capacity of like what brother albright said before me to chew gum and walk at the same time we have to multitask we have to be able to hit this at multiple levels and multiple times because we're not getting hit from the system in one way and so

i i really listen to those kind of comments and i i really don't honestly at this point i don't pay them any attention because sometimes that means they're just really behind their computer at home while people are out in the streets doing the work. When we look at this particular trial here, and when you see the attacks specifically on this black family, attacks on black pastors by one of these attorneys standing up saying we needed more bubba's who are on the jury. I mean, this was an absolute overt appeal to white racism. Yeah, yeah. And it's really, it's not even talented racism.

It's kind of like, it's kind of miserably pathetic racism i'm like at least we had uh well they had i wasn't around when barry goldwater was around but he was creative with his racism um you know these guys are getting kind of lazy with it but the all jokes aside it shows you how far white supremacy or might white mediocrity can get actually we saw it get all the way to the White House. We saw it now having the nerve to speak against the institution of the black leadership, of black pastors, rather, and having the nerve to speak so boldly and so ignorantly. And then I have to skip town and go over to Rittenhouse and see how ridiculous that judge is. Just blatant mediocrity smeared in our faces as if we can't see the absurdity of it all.

It is amazing to watch this unfold. And what's also interesting is when I hear people say, look, things have gotten better. Racism is not as bad as it used to be. Well, I think it's very easy to say that when you're not the one who's on the receiving end of it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think who says that besides some white folks. If any black folks are saying that, I really want to know what side of the street they grew up on,

what neighborhood they came from, because no matter honestly, I don't care what side of the street you came from, you face some kind of racism. Things have gotten better, clearly, but what did Malcolm say? You take a knife out of my back nine inches, but you didn't take it all the way out, right? By not taking it all the way out and then rectifying the situation.

I'm not just satisfied with them not being racist anymore. It's time to rectify all the mess that racism caused. See, that's why I love that line from the movie Malcolm X was, no, I'm not satisfied. And see, I think that's what the deal is. I mean, the reality is when I listen to the Bill Maher's of the world, when I listen to the Joe Rogan's, first of all, I don't listen. I was going to say, why would you listen to that? But of the world when i listen to the joe rogan's first of all i don't listen i don't know i was gonna say why but when i hear what they have to say yeah when i hear these different things uh it's this whole deal of look if things got a lot better you should be satisfied no i'm not satisfied what did jackie robinson what was the name of his book i

never had it made he said as long as there's one black man who is not free, I never had it made. You know, I don't know that I would be satisfied until, and I say this tongue in cheek because I don't think we want our village idiots to ascend to the top of the mountain, but until our village idiots can get as far as Marjorie Taylor Greene got, as far as, you know, Donald Trump, Matt Gaetz, Mike Gates, Paul Gosar, Louie Gohmert, come on, damn near the whole Republican Party, Joe Manchin, hell, Kirsten Sinema, like when mediocrity, black mediocrity can get as far as white mediocrity, then maybe we could be satisfied. Until then, we got work to do. Indeed. Ben,

we appreciate it, man. Always good to see you. Thanks a bunch. Thanks for having me. Folks, gotta pay some bills. We come back. We're gonna talk about Kyle Rittenhouse trial. We're gonna talk about the Julius Jones case. We're gonna talk about two brothers who were exonerated for the murder of Malcolm X. There's a whole lot more to cover right here on Roland

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But the decision came down around 1 p.m. Eastern. Joining us right now is Reverend CeCe Jones Davis. She is the director, campaign director for the Justice for Julius campaign. Glad to have you back on the show. It is you know what we frankly let's just let's just call it what it is. It was cruel punishment for what this governor did. Yeah. Forcing Julius Jones to have to go through the final the final hours of living to begin the execution process to wait this late. And yes, people are appreciative of what took place. But that was cruel. It was very cruel.

It was very, very cruel. And that's something that we're not going to ever forget. You know, the governor has had two opportunities to get this right, starting when the pardon and parole board voted in September, on the 13th of September, that Julius should be commuted to life with the possibility of parole. He sat on that. And then he allowed Julius to get an execution date of November the 18th. And then there was a clemency hearing put in motion for November the 1st. And since November the 1st, where the pardon and parole board again voted the same way, the same people heard the same information and voted the same way, three to one, to recommend commutation with the possibility of life, with the possibility of parole. He sat on it until three hours before this execution. I cannot tell you what the Jones

family has been through. I can't tell you what the rest of us who love Julius and care about his life have been through the last few days. It has been cruel. Are we grateful? Of course. It's past 4 o'clock here, and Julius Jones still has breath in his body. Yes, we're grateful. But good God, that man knew. The governor of Oklahoma knew what he was going to do.

And he put us off and put us off and put us off and said, you know, I'm praying about the decision. We're rolling. We've been standing on the ground all week long. There's not that much prayer in the world. God has already spoken through the pardon and parole board now twice. And the fact that he prolonged this and allowed these people to suffer the way that they did, the way that he allowed Julius to have to tell his loved ones goodbye last night before 9 p.m. when his privileges were cut off, his phone privileges were cut off. I'm going to tell you right now, that's not something we're going to forget. Again, this is the scene that took place outside the prison.

I was watching the live feeds of Tamika Mallory, co-founder of Until Freedom, activist Tiffany Lofton as well. Both were on the ground there. And people were rejoicing. And I know there's somebody who's watching who say, oh, my God, why are they rejoicing? But the reality is this here. Had the action not at the parole board not had those two, three, one votes, had the governor not made the decision today, right now, the family of Julius Jones would be planning a funeral.

You are exactly right. And, you know, while this wasn't all that we wanted, you know, we believe that the governor should have taken the recommendation of his own parole board. Why do you have a parole board if twice they vote in the same way and you decide not to take their recommendation? Right. But Julius Jones has breath in his in his lungs tonight. Three hours. The decision was was made public three hours before he was going to be strapped to a gurney. And we're about to go to a prayer vigil. We've had a prayer vigils every night for the last couple of months for Julius Jones. And we're not going to get to a place where Julius is alive and not praise God tonight. So we're going to be out there praising God in just a few minutes.

But the fact that this governor waited that kind of time and put this Jones family through what he's put them through today, this week, has been enormously negatively impactful. It is certainly, again, his family has been waiting for this moment. But to your point, there's breath in his body, which also means that, sure, the governor said life in parole. But you know what? There still could be hope to have the facts of this case looked at. If you had the parole board say there's some serious problems with this prosecution, it needs to be looked at. And so we won't forget that. And so what's next for the campaign? What's next for you? You know, we're going to take a deep breath. We're going to figure out where we are. I don't know all of what Julius's legal options are right now.

It could be possible that he could be up for commutation, applying for commutation in three years. But we have to really talk to his attorneys and reassess. But right now we're going to celebrate the fact that he's alive, and we're going to take a deep breath and figure out what's next. Reverend C.C. Jones-Davis, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Certainly give our best to Julius and his family. Thanks for being, having me on. All right. Reese, I want to start with you. You know, going back to our previous conversation,

it was the constant pressure. It was, it was the petitions. It was the constant pressure. It was the petitions. It was the protest. It was getting celebrities involved. It was showing up at the hearings. It was showing up outside the governor's house. Again, you know, I just think that when people run their mouths, it's really a bunch of people who sit in their asses at home, who frankly never put anything on the line for somebody else. Absolutely. I mean, you know, public pressure doesn't always work in these situations. I mean, the Republican Party is the party of death. It's the party of vengeance. It's the party of bloodlust. And so the fact that at least the public pressure was able to persuade this governor to do the bare minimum, which is at least commute the death sentence, is actually a miracle of,

you know, of the hard work that activists and protesters and the families have been putting through. It doesn't always work, but it's always worth it to make that public pressure happen because, you know, it's a life that's saved and that life is worthy. So, yeah, I mean, I just it bothers me when people try to diminish the work that other people are doing. If you don't want to do it, then you don't do it. But you don't have to diminish what other people are doing. The facts of the matter is this governor is up for reelection in 2022. And unfortunately, they have closed primaries in Oklahoma, and nobody has announced that they will run against this governor. But I would say that, you know, voters, particularly Black voters in the state, need to make this a 2022 issue.

I think he had that in mind when he did go as far as he did in terms of commuting the death sentence. But he did it in such a way where it's only that only a governor can intervene here and take it a step further because he ordered that it has to be life without parole. So this needs to be a 2022 issue. So that's where people who believe in the political process can join up with people who believe in the protest process and make sure that the next governor of Oklahoma finishes the job and frees Julius Jones. Janelle Farage, a lot of things are done behind closed doors. They're done privately.

But, you know, my experience has been sometimes people will say we're not making any headway. So we got to go. We got to go out there and do this thing publicly. And I think also this case is a perfect example. And I know that there are people who say that there are people like Dylann Roof, they've committed horrible, horrible crimes. But this case is another example of why you got to get rid of the death penalty in the United States. Oh, no doubt. No doubt at all. And I think that there needs to be another conversation about that. And I appreciate Reverend C.C. Jones Davis for at least acknowledging to take a breath. I mean, you have to celebrate the fact that, one,

that Julius Jones is alive as we speak and that you want to regroup. And a lot of times people want to keep pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing, wearing out the volunteers and all the folks that have been doing the great work on the ground. So you've got to think about that. You've got to have those larger conversations about the death penalty in this country and how they disproportionately affect Black and brown people of this country. We gotta have those discussions. But I wanna make it very clear, because as much as we talk about the organizers, we can talk about politics of it, let's just be very, very clear.

This governor did not have it in his heart to grant Julius Jones clemency. He did, he waited until the 11th hour. For me, Brother Roland and the panel, this means that God literally intervened in this situation. This was a divine situation. We protested. I signed the online petition.

Of course, we talked about it here on this show. But at the end of the day, this man waited three to four hours before the execution. That means God had to literally intervene in this situation to change this man's thinking. Now, that just goes to show us that it is super critical that we understand that because of the injustice that has been caused to black people in this country for over 400 plus years, this is another example of why America is going through the same type of trials and tribulations that this country is going through. And when you look at when a decision like this is being made, you can't just look at the decision as just the decision alone. You have to look at the mindset, the intention behind the decision. And the intent of this governor was not to save Julius Jones, but God had to intervene and save this brother.

And to use this as an example for us to wake up, I truly believe this. And I mean, look, I get the politics side, but we can't negate the spiritual side of this situation, because we are in a very, very critical time in this country when it comes to race relations. We are in a very critical time when it's talking about granting justice to Black people in this country. We cannot negate the divine being a part of this movement, this great fundamental change of uprooting white supremacy in this country.

God is present in all of that. We go through all of that. We go through all of the struggles. Our ancestors have been saying it. We have been praying for it. And guess what? It's happening. But guess what? Again, we got to look at, we got to see this, not just from one thing. We have to see this from many different angles, man. And I'm convinced only God could have intervened in this because this was the 11th hour. And we should not praise this governor. We should not support this governor. We should give this governor hell every turn. Anytime he's trying to do something, whether you're white or black, if you are a person of conscience, you need to say enough is enough.

You know, Greg, there were folks like Matt Schlapp of CPAC who tweeted about this and saying that there were too many issues. They had reached out to the governor that this action should be taken. And this is where I challenge those same white conservative evangelicals. OK, where are y'all on the next one? Will you show up for that one? I mean, you can't just think that, oh, there's only one person who may not have committed the crime who's on death row. It's amazing how most of them, when it comes up, they look like us. They do. They do. And I think that the nexus, one of the nexus points where the

points that Recy makes with the politics of this and the spiritual dimension that Brother Faraji raises meet at places like CPAC. And I'm going to say this, and I mean it with my whole heart, we're not praying to the same God. The CPAC people, their God is white nationalism. Their Jesus is white. Their God is white. And we are not human.

Right now, they are involved deep, neck deep. Donald Trump Jr. last week was down in Brazil, in the city of Brasilia, campaigning for the re-election of Jair Bollanzaro, who would consider himself a very deeply convicted Christian. He's a white nationalist and an anti-human nationalist, and that same CPAC crowd is helping him, including a transnational white nationalist by the name of Steve Bannon, who doesn't believe in any God, but does believe in white supremacy. This is the God of the Ku Klux Klan. And as you were talking, Viraj, it reminded me of the favorite song of many of the marching

forces in the United States Colored Troops during the Civil War. It wasn't the Star-Spangled Banner. It wasn't Yankee Doodle. It was, mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord. He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored. And so when I heard Brother Jones' mother, Madeline Davis Jones, say, I will never stop fighting. The God she believes in is not the God of Stitt. You understand?

Kevin Stitt prays to a God of white supremacy. The attorney general he appointed, who is now going to run, as you say, Recy, for reelection, John O'Connor. John O'Connor, who was up for federal judgeship until he withdrew his nomination, until his nomination was withdrawn because the American Bar Association found him unqualified. John O'Connor is positioning himself for a tough election campaign against getting their drummond. They're going to compete for who's the most white nationalist to run. Kevin Stitt didn't execute Julius Jones because Kevin Stitt understands. He counted up the cost. And there were too many people in the street. And these black people are not going to be turned away by appeals to a God and say, I stayed up all night praying. Reb was right. He knew what he couldn't

do. You have reached the limits. And I think this is very important to understand. So if you are a human being and you're gonna put this man to death, then you're not on the side of God. You are on the side of whatever you're praying to, we're praying against.

And it just makes me think about that. The last thing I'll say is, you know, the Oklahoma Department of Corrections released what Julius Jones would have ordered for his last meal. Two Kentucky fried chicken sandwiches with lettuce, tomatoes, tomato and mayonnaise. One large McDonald's French fry with salt and ketchup. One medium or small as budget allowed meat lovers pizza from Pizza hut and a bottle of water julius jones last meal order is a metaphor for what we have done in this country far too often which has set our sights

too low kevin stitt you get no credit because our opposition to you is cultural is spiritual and what we witnessed today is you being overwhelmed by the fact that the tsunami's coming, man. And you can count. And we are going to move on up over you. If you had put him to death, it would have escalated a conflict just like you're covering in Georgia. Because we are now past politics.

This is a war. And we're not going to lose. Come on. Come on. All right, folks. We talk about how police impact black men. What about black girls? The Marshall Project has a new story that deals with that. We'll talk with the reporter next right here on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network.

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and found that black girls make up one-fifth of the violent interactions with police. In comparison, their white counterparts only represent 3% of cases. The Georgetown Law and Poverty Center study found that black girls were seen as older and less innocent than their white peers. Joining us right now is Abby Van Sickles. She is with the Marshall Project, hailing out of Oakland, California. Abby, that last point I think is important because oftentimes black girls are highly sexualized. And so therefore they aren't treated the same.

They are being sexually assaulted. These differing standards, these sort of, you know, one standard for white girls and one standard for black girls, it's clear and evident when you look at these numbers. Yeah, thanks so much for having me. So when we were trying to understand the impact of police force on girls and we started looking at these six police departments that gave us their data, the difference between black girls' experience and white girls' experience really stood out right away in the numbers. And then we tried to understand sort of what that actually means for someone's life,

what kinds of long-term trauma that can cause. And so we interviewed families and girls from around the country about their experiences when police have used force. And we're talking about, you know, force including handcuffs, guns pointed at them, pepper spray, you know, force including handcuffs, guns pointed at them, pepper spray, takedowns on the ground. And those experiences were, you know,

incredibly powerful. And so we used that coupled with the data to try to, you know, reach people to understand what this, what these interactions can really mean for people. And, you know, the thing that is important is that, again, when we look at these cases, we often talk about, especially when someone has been killed, we often talk about black men. But what's often overlooked is exactly what's happening with black women who are also being victimized at the hands of police. Yeah. So just to be clear, when we looked at those departments, black men and boys stood out as, you know, the far most common group to receive police use of force. But when we started to take a look at girls, it seemed like, you know, black girls just had such a different experience than white girls.

And that seemed to be, you know, an important point that hadn't been highlighted, you know, as much. And so we reached out to, you know, academics who had studied this, including, as you mentioned, Georgetown. There's a professor there, Kristen Henning, who had really focused on this in a new book that she has. She talked about adultification, how when, you know, when they have researched girls and how they're viewed, that white girls are oftentimes viewed as younger, black girls as older, and how that can really play into police interactions if police are encountering a child or a teenager

and viewing them as older than they really are. And that can have some really serious repercussions in terms of the force that's used and how that interaction goes. Questions for our panel. Recy, I'll start with you. Yeah, I mean, I guess my question is, you know, what's next? I mean, we know that, you know, Black girls are over-policed. I mean, this didn't really go into incidents involving security guards or school resource officers. Officers, did you have any insight into how Black girls are being treated

by police in the school system? Yeah, so there's been, you know, some really excellent reporting about school resource officers and the way that kids encounter them, what kind of force those officers use. We didn't look specifically at the experience in schools, but just as we were researching cases and reading about different experiences that schools came up time and time again, that's where kids are spending so much of their time. And so the kind of encounters that we have there can also be really life-shaping. Faraji.

Abby, thank you so much for doing the work with the Marshall Project. And I definitely, you know, took some time to kind of read through all of your data. One thing that really stuck out for me, though, is this idea. It was mentioned in the 2017 Georgetown data when they said there is no comprehensive national database of violent interaction between police and civilians. But when we looked at data

for six large police departments that provided detailed demographic information on use of force incidents, we found nearly 4,000 youngsters 17 and under experienced police violence from 2015 through 2020. So I guess I kind of have two questions in regards to that. One is, we've been talking about this adultification bias, but how do we push the needle forward to having to creating a national database? And then two, what's being done when Black girls in particular, 17 and under, are being

put in these positions, objectified, misused, abused? What can be done locally from the community standpoint? Yeah. So, in terms of the national database, you know, there is not a national database of use of force incidents. We looked at the publicly available data for, we started with, you know, the 50 largest police departments in the country, and there were six that provided data that would let us even look at this question in a detailed way. And, you know, policing in America remains largely local.

You know, there are 18,000 local policing agencies, and they have their own systems, not a national database. And, you know, it would be, I think, quite helpful in trying to understand, you know, which departments are using which types of force, how many, you know, are there differences in the way that police departments are using force, of force, how many, you know, are there differences in the way that police departments are using force in the number of kids that they're encountering. All of those are questions that there isn't at this point a national database to be able to answer. There has been, you know, more attention on building databases around fatalities, but here we're talking, you know, sort of everyday encounters with police

that can still lead to really life-changing trauma. And as to the point about local, you know, local communities, as I said, policing is local and local police departments and local leaders are accountable to, you know, to local communities. And so I think that's sort of the point that I would raise on that. Thank you. Greg. Thank you, Roland. And thank you, Abby. You had an old professor, Anderson Thompson,

he used to call this kind of research what he called death watch studies. In other words, we count the bodies as we're assaulted and kind of move on to the next thing. I really would ask you what you think might be some out-of-the-box solutions. And looking at the opening discussion of Breonna Stewart there in Hagerstown, the fact that she had to write a letter of apology and then they dropped the charges, I mean, because she cursed at a police officer.

When we all know that you can say whatever the hell you want to a police officer if you're not black or brown, perhaps. I guess what I'm really asking is a broad question. It goes back to something Recy raised. Is there a solution in your mind? Because even at the local level, when you talk about police officers having the excuse that they are scared of someone because of their physicality, even 100-pound girls, and then when the police department said they're young and inexperienced, they left out white.

But can police be reformed? And in your mind, what would be an out-of-the-box solution to this adultification, which really, quite frankly, is baked into this system since it really started when the first Black girls got off the boats and were treated like women for the purposes of reproduction. Well, when I'm doing reporting, I always try to find sort of what, you know, is there a place that this is better? Is there a solution? How, you know, how might this change?

And I did talk with, you know, some experts who are training law enforcement agencies on trying to understand better how to interact with kids, how to interact with young people. One of the things that came up in sort of interview after interview with families and kids is that they felt like the interaction just sort of escalated super fast from something that was like a kid saying something back to an officer to suddenly they're in handcuffs, they're on the ground. In Brianna's case, you know, they're pepper sprayed. And they all talked about, you know, is there a way that an officer could call a parent? Could they have called my parent? Could they have slowed it down? Could they have diffused rather than escalated? And the experts I talked to said that, you know, they're working on trying to train officers to do that. But that's, you know, it's not every department in the country that's had that

training. It is, you know, they all discussed a long road ahead. Thank you. All right. Abby Van Zyla with the Marshall Project. We certainly appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Yeah, thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. All right, folks. Got to go to break more from Glandon County Courthouse here in Georgia. I'm Roland Martin.

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No problem. You think you're that big a band? Yeah, yeah. And I'll never forget one night, we, two of the guys, the driver got lost. I think it was Westbury was the plan. And I'll never forget, we asked, they asked Kim if he wanted to be the headliner. two of the guys, the driver got lost. I think it was Westbury was playing. And I'll never forget, we asked,

they asked him if he didn't mind going on first and we would close out. And he came back and said, he said, no. I'll give him his prop. He took it like a bag. It was rough out there. By the time he would come out, you could hear echoes.

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Hey, everybody, this is your man Fred Hammond, and you're watching Roland Martin, my man, unfiltered. filter. Well, folks, we do this every single day in order to bring attention to African-Americans who come up missing. Unfortunately, they don't get the coverage they need, such as the case of Madison Harris. A 15-year-old Madison Harris was last seen leaving her house in Chicago September 6th of this year. She is 5 feet 1 inches tall and weighing 115 pounds with black hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a dark blue long-sleeved shirt, black pants, pink UGG slide shoes, and carrying a black bag. Anyone with information regarding her,

please call the Chicago Police Department at 312-746-6554. 312-746-6554. Folks, today a Manhattan judge overturned the convictions of two men who went to prison for killing Malcolm X. During the hearing, Muhammad Aziz said the 54-year process had taken a toll on him and he hopes the system will take responsibility for what they did to him as well as the late Khalil Islam. The events that brought us to court today should never have occurred. Those events were and are the result of a process that was corrupt to its core. One that was all too familiar to black people in 2021.

While I do not need this court, these prosecutors or a piece of paper to black people in 2021. While I do not need this court, these prosecutors, or a piece of paper, to tell me I'm innocent, I am very glad that my family, my friends, and the attorneys who have worked and supported me over these years are finally saying the truth that they have all known, officially recognized. I am a three-year-old man who was victimized by the criminal justice system. I do not know how many more years of creative activity I have. However, I hope the same system that was responsible for this travesty of justice also takes responsibility for the immeasurable harm the court can

me during the last 55 or 56 years. Thank you, Your Honor. To Mr. Aziz and your family and to the family of Mr. Islam, I regret that this court cannot fully undo the serious miscarriages of justice in this case and give you back the many years that were lost. This court's mandate requires that the judgments of conviction be vacated and that the indictment against Mr. Aziz and Mr. Islam be dismissed. The joint motion is hereby granted.

And the director is... The son of Khalil Islam, Shahid Johnson, said he is still sad because his father did not live to get to see this day. The fact that he's not here, it brings only a little satisfaction because I was in my mother's belly when he was taken. So for 25 years, there was no father-son connection except through, you know know visitation rooms so the fact that it almost sounds casual to me that he's being exonerated so the great pleasure is not there because he's not here with me so in the fact that we the family suffered growing up with concerns of fear of people coming after us or to, you know, watch, walk in school, looking over my shoulder. You know, those kind of things you can't get back.

You know, so normality was gone when I was 10. You know, because in 1975, we were forced to leave where we lived because it was assumed that someone was coming after us. So my childhood was over at the age of 10. So right now, this is great, but not so great at the same time. You know, so I am happy, but there's still sadness, you know, so that's how I feel. Farage, the FBI, the NYPD, they withheld evidence. If there's any reason to take the name of that son of a bitch, J. Edgar Hoover, off of that building, this should do it. If Democrats had any courage, they would actually pass a bill

stripping his name from the headquarters of the FBI. Yeah, I mean, I would agree with you on that, but I don't see that happening. I mean, I think that this situation here, you know, the judge said it's a miscarriage of justice. This is not just a miscarriage of justice. I mean, we're talking about 56 years. We're talking about two Black men who were in the Nation of Islam, who basically, I mean, if you're in the Nation, I grew up in the Nation. You heard the story of Malcolm X. You hear it about his rise and fall, the whole thing. When you hear about the killing of Malcolm X, it strikes a nerve. I mean, even to this very day, Malcolm X is one of the most revered Black leaders that we have ever produced. And certainly he's one of the shining stars of the great teachings of the most honorable Elijah Muhammad, and of course his connection to the honorable minister Louis Farrakhan.

So when we look at this right here, I'm with the son of Brother Khalil Islam. It just doesn't feel like celebration. It just feels like he said, it's just like this. I mean, it's just something being said. We say, oh, exonerate. It's just a term being used. But when you're not alive to see that your word is made, is believed in, then there's no exoneration. When you're not able to really, I guess the best way,

when you're not able to really experience the fruit of freedom that these brothers had to, that didn't experience for 56 years. Brother Muhammad Aziz, he's an older man. I mean, he was blessed to see this day, but 56 years has been taken from this man. And let's look at the reality. We know J.F. Hoover had infiltrated the ranks of the Nation of Islam to have Malcolm X killed. We know that he exploited the pain and the hurt and created an environment within the ranks of the Nation of Islam through his agent because of all of the turmoil between Malcolm X and his great teacher, the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. We know that, and yet this country is just getting to the point

to say, oh, these black men didn't do it, but they never got to the real part of it, which is that the United States government killed Malcolm X. The United States government, through J. Edgar Hooga and his COINTELPROGRAM, his counterintelligence program, was a-a key part of the murder of one of our great heroes, that the United States government continues to do surveillance on Black leadership to this day. So when we talk about this, this right here is just words.

And-and it doesn't... And for those of us who say, oh, the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan had something to do with it, get the hell out of my damn face, because the history will show you he never had nothing to do with this. So this is a very serious situation.

And, you know, I'm happy for Brother Mohammed Aziz to get some level of freedom from this. But the pain, the wounds are so fresh, they're still open. And this has caused such a rift within the Islamic community and within black people that it's going to take us some time to really see this. But let's not forget that the real enemy is not the Nation of Islam. It's not even the most honorable Elijah Muhammad. The real enemy is the United States government because they sowed the seeds of dissension to create the environment to kill one of our black leaders.

Greg, the only reason this happened is because Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance was able to get his hands on the unredacted reports from the FBI and from the NYPD. I am a firm believer that President Joe Biden should completely declassify and reveal the unredacted papers on Dr. King, on Malcolm X, on any African-American who was a victim of COINTELPRO? That would be wonderful if these files were inactive in terms of the strategies being used, but they're not. Black people, many Black organizations, rather, are still considered open enemies of the federal government.

The counterintelligence program didn't shut down. It just transformed. You know, the conversation about black radical extremists and so forth. I mean, go back to the 1920s, something called racial condition, the RACON files. This is where John Edgar Hoover, coming into what was then the Military Intelligence Division, which became the FBI, cut his eye teeth on Marcus Garvey. We are still enemies of the state. You know, Cyrus Vance gets no credit for this. In fact, as the brothers say, this is bittersweet. It's not even bittersweet. Farage is right. The real culprit is the federal government, and not just the United States

government, but the international government. Malcolm X wasn't allowed to land in France, in part because the French didn't want him assassinated on French soil. That's CIA. I mean, there's an international conspiracy. Now, that does not, however, let black people off the hook. As John Henry Clark used to say, in some stories, there aren't any good guys. Now, I think that the best single book on this, my dear friend,

Paul Lee out of Michigan, who's probably, for my money, the best researcher on Malcolm X breathing today, and would probably, in fact, would defer to Peter Goldman, who wrote three editions of a book called The Death and Life of Malcolm X, and who in fact interviewed Talmadge Hare, who was in prison, who was one of the assassins, who named the five who killed and said that Norman Butler and Thomas Johnson, Muhammad Aziz and Khalil Islam were not two of them. They've been bringing this up since the 1960s.

And in fact, if you read Zach Kondo's book, Conspiracies, Unraveling the Assassination of Malcolm X, Zach Kondo appeared in the Netflix kind of popularization of Twice Told Tales, with all due respect to the Netflix producers of Who Killed Malcolm X. Nothing in that documentary was new. In fact, the brother they call Shotgun Man, William Bradley in Newark, remember Ras Baraka is in the documentary saying everybody knows who the guy was.

They bragged about it. But I'm raising this for this point. We have to understand there are two tracks of lessons to learn here. The less important of the two is the state apparatus patting itself on the back and really washing themselves of the real complicity from boss, as Brother Abdur Rahman talked about last night on your show, that Audubon was riddled with agents, and no one

did anything, including the man who tried to give Malcolm mouth-to-mouth resuscitation while Betty is there and Yuri Koshiyama is there, and that is the agent Gene Roberts who was on the damn platform as he died. But that is a conversation that should bring us finally to the main point. And that's an internal Black conversation.

So when Malcolm said, after the house was firebombed, when he said that, you know, Elijah Muhammad said, don't touch that man. But Elijah Muhammad Jr. in front of hundreds of Nation of Islam members, including the Fruit of Islam, said, this man's tongue should have been cut out and delivered to Chicago. Why is he still alive? Let's be clear.

There was a hit on Malcolm X. The Nation of Islam had not the whole Nation of Islam, but you got people who are trained to execute these things. And Zach goes all through it, but the names, I won't even read the names, but I will mention that Talmadge Hare, who was locked up, who talked to Peter Goldman, who Zach tried to interview several times,

he named the five killers in a petition that Aziz and Islam sent to the Congressional Black Caucus in 1979, asking them to open an investigation. J. Edgar Hoover's name's not coming off that building because too many black people in America have confused black America with white America on these subjects. Malcolm X was hated then. He's hated now. Now that he is safely dead, like Martin the King, they can praise him and pat themselves

on the back for taking the lives of two other men through time spent in prison. Nobody gets any credit. We should be having this conversation with ourselves, and until we do, that wound is never going to heal. Recy, I'm sorry, you gotta follow that. I hate

when I have to follow Dr. Coggins. He's always so on point and farragy. You know, I'm sorry you got to follow that. I hate when I have to follow Dr. Carr because he's always so on point and Faraji. You know, I cannot say anything better than Faraji and Dr. Carr have. But I will just say that, you know, the exonerations are always welcome. They're always necessary. But the damage has been done already. I mean, we're talking about families, children, marriages that have been torn apart as a result of these false accusations, and they're still happening. I mean, we go from exonerated from these two men to, I mean, from Julius Jones earlier, who's been exonerated by the evidence, but not exonerated in terms of his now life

sentence. And so the harms are still being perpetuated over and over again. And I'm just tired of hearing about 70, 80-year-old Black men being, you know, cleared of the charges that they were falsely accused of. And that's just all I have. I don't have any solutions. I don't have anything positive to say other. It just continues to be horrific and tragic. Folks, up next, an update on the trial of the former cop who killed Artiella Jefferson in Fort Worth. That and some other headlines.

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So, what's up? This is your boy, Earthquake. Hi, I'm Chaley Rose, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. All right, folks, a few headlines here. The trial of the former Fort Worth police officer who shot and killed Artyom Jefferson, that has been rescheduled again. First of all, in January, Aaron Dean will face a jury for shooting Jefferson in 2019 for entering her home when a neighbor called to report her door was open for a wellness check. Dean did not announce he was a police officer when he entered Jefferson's backyard. The Jefferson family, they filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the city of Fort Worth. Again, that trial is going to take place in January unless it gets delayed again.

Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards will pardon Plessy trial is going to take place in january unless it gets delayed again louisiana governor john bill edwards uh will pardon plessy after unanimous vote by the louisiana board of pardons now in 1896 plessy refused to leave a whites only uh train a car uh leading to the separate but equal law and of course uh this is homer plessy the landmark plessy verse forges ferguson case getting this posthumous pardon. The Supreme Court ruled that as long as accommodations were equal, they could remain separate. This led to the separation of housing, schools, and other public facilities for nearly 50 years. And so glad to see that.

Let's go to South Carolina, where South Carolina City is going to pay $650,000 to a 58-year-old black man after reviewing police policies. Clarence Gell-Yard was walking with a stick wrapped in a shiny tape in July when someone mistook the object for a gun. And what did they do? Called 911 on the brother. Investigators say Officer David Lance Dukes ordered Gell-Yard to the ground and stomped on his head and neck when he didn't immediately drop. Duke was fired and charged with first-degree assault and battering. And the man who was the subject of a Supreme Court case that extended the possibility of freedom to hundreds of thousands of people

since the life without parole is juvenile, well, he is now free 58 years later. 75-year-old Henry Montgomery was released from prison just hours after being granted parole on Wednesday. He was convicted in the 1963 killing of an East Baton Rouge sheriff's deputy who caught him skipping school. Montgomery was 17 at the time. That right there is, again, it shows you how heinous and cruel America is, Recy, where it took a Supreme Court decision to say, what the hell are we doing? Literally sentencing juveniles to life in prison? This man was 17.

He's 75 years old now. Again, like it's a common thing that we've been discussing, you know, tonight. And, I mean, 75 years old. I mean, that was practically a death sentence given the life expectancy of a black man. Thank God he was able to survive long enough to get out and get free. But, I mean, this is just sickening.

I don't even have any other words. It's just sickening. Greg? I agree. I mean, the fact of the matter is that this brother who did kill Charles Hurt, the fact that he spent almost 60 years in Angola and that prison in Louisiana is named for the region in Central Africa where many Africans were taken through the port of New Orleans into enslavement. That's how that's how black that prison he was in.

And they literally named it for the place in Africa enslaved Africans came from. You know, the Miller versus Alabama case in 2012, which said that, you know, you can't sentence juveniles to life. And then 2016, it was his case, Montgomery's case, that led to that being applied retroactively. And in the time, in this time period, there were over 800 people who had been freed. But the fact that we're having this conversation and I'll end with this, Louisiana is one of the most unique but representative states in this country when it comes to this question of punishment. When you mentioned Homer Plessy, who was one-eighth black, who volunteered

on that committee, that Citizens Committee in 1890, I guess three or four, to go buy the ticket and get on the train because he looked like he was white. And that's how he outed himself on the train. Louisiana has always policed black bodies. The simple fact of the matter is Montgomery was up for parole twice

since that case and rejected twice by the state board. And as you were reading the Plessy case and talking about Homer Plessy, you know what? I wonder how many people in Louisiana today would say, don't pardon Plessy case and talking about Homer Plessy, you know what? I wonder how many people in Louisiana today would say, don't pardon Plessy. Racism's a hell of a thing, man. They're going to hold on this until the last dog dies.

And so it's good that your brother's out. But we got a lot more work to do. Louisiana is a hell of a case study in how race operates. Mm-hmm. Faraji? I mean, I think of when I heard the saying that, you know, democracy in this country would not be in the place it would be, the place it's in right now, unless there were the struggles of the oppressed.

Oppressed people has pushed this government, this form of government of democracy to the place that it's in. It's on the backs of Black people. It's on the backs of oppressed people in this country that have provided the rights that people enjoy, that have provided us the gains that we have made in this country. And so when you look at Henry Montgomery, who spent all of this time in prison, I mean, you can't pay this man enough money for the time that he has lost. What you gonna pay him?

What can you say to him? What can you do for him? I mean, the only thing he can do is just say thank you, keep it moving. But it's the fact that, I mean, throughout the night, we've been seeing how the justice system has to go so far. You have to go to the Supreme Court to get basic justice because in the city or the state that these incidents occur,

they're not providing justice to anyone. And so it's like, when is enough enough? When are we in this country going to believe that Black folks in particular do not get equal justice under the quote-unquote law of this country? When will enough be enough? We talk about it, Brother Rowland.

You always profile it. You always on scene about these things. But when do we really, really internalize it, Dr. Carr, for me? Yes. We actually get to the point to say, you know what? We got to stop putting so much faith in the justice system. And I know Black folks love to throw out the word accountability. We got to hold people accountable. We got to hold people accountable. But guess what? When you look at the laws, the laws come out of the hearts and the minds, the beliefs and the attitudes of men and women, particularly more white men. So if you don't shape, if you don't uproot, if you don't change the belief system that exists in this country, whether it's around black girls or Black boys, we will never get justice. If you don't uproot white supremacy from the mind of an individual, it never will change. So, I mean, I just think that we got to get out of this thinking that, you know, things

will just change on the policy side without understanding that there can be no policy until we change the mentality of those who create the policy that keep us oppressed. Was that you with an amen, Recy? I didn't say it, but I will say amen. No, I heard somebody no no I heard somebody say thank you I was like hey

hey watching the show I gotta go to a break we'll be back on the Blackstar Network I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time to go to a break. We'll be back. Roland Martin on the filter on the Black Star Network. I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time. Have you ever had to shoot your gun?

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And I'll never forget one night, we, uh, two of the guys, the driver got lost. I think it was Westbury was playing. And I'll never forget, um, we asked, they asked him if he didn't mind going on first, and we would close out. And he came back and said, he said, no. I'll give him his prop.

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loves. Hello, everyone. It's Kiera Sheard. Hey, I'm Taj. I'm Coco. And I'm Lili. And we're SWB. What's up, y'all? It's Ryan Destiny. And you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. Folks, we're here at the Glenn County Courthouse in Georgia, where today a number of black pastors gathered as a show of force in response to some comments made last week

by the white attorney for one of the three white men on trial for killing Ahmaud Arbery. That Kevin Gold, he said he did not want black pastors in the courtroom specifically calling out Reverend Jesse Jackson Sr. and Reverend Al Sharpton. Well, that led to black pastors saying, fine, you don't want to see them. How about all of us? Here is some of what took place today at the Glynn County Courthouse. I came to the trial to console them because you can't imagine the pain of a mother to sit there and look at the killers of her son and their families and nobody sitting there with her.

The pain of a father who won't get a call from his son anymore. I did not come in the courtroom to protest. I came to pray that they would have the strength to stand up. Now, I do protest, but I came as a minister. And this man, the next day, defiled me for coming and said, why was I there? That we must have an agenda. Yes, our agenda is that the God we serve will give strength to this woman and this man and this family. All right, folks, that was Reverend Alice Sharpton. We also heard from Ahmaud Arbery's parents. I want to say thank you to all the pastors who traveled near and far just to be with us in this very, very difficult time.

God is good. When Ahmad was killed on the 23rd of February, the family had some of the darkest times of our lives. We asked questions, we got no answers. We submitted emails with no reply back. But in the midst of all that, I prayed. I asked the Lord to somehow tell me what happened to Quez. My daughter talked to me like weeks after, and she said, Mom, we don't even have an attorney. And I prayed. I told Jasmine, I said,

when the Lord gets ready for us to have an attorney, we'll get one. Not until then. I just want to say thank you. My heart is full of just joy in the midst of this broken heart. Just thank you guys. And I love you all.

So understand thank you to all y'all people that came out here supporting his family. All these pastors and we know queer been killed wrong, but look at the change he broke. He brought a chain with in life. God got his way of pulling that there back to have.

Go ahead and use his life to put that devil out the hat. It made this world brighter for other kids. So other kids can run and won't get killed. I saw that. God did this. So I'm going to tell Quayle we love you, but Quayle resting now. But guess what? That devil got the pay now. Y'all got the pay. Y'all tore my family up. Y'all tore us up and look what you did to your own. Y'all got my family up. Y'all told you did to your own. You because guess what? If yo you let him kept running.

no gun to a baby. Uh what in a 3 57 madness. You tu You saw a gun. You took a You sat here with you did something right? I hope God be with you, but I don't think he is. God, we're praying, people. God, bless all y'all people. Remember, I'm my family, and I thank y'all.

God's good. And that was about Aubrey's sister who first spoke. That was that, the mother. We, of course, we told you about the march that took place from the courthouse to down the street to the Marbury mural. Barbara Arnwine, founder of the Transformer Justice Coalition. We got a chance to get a few words from her as she was marching in the streets. So here's what she had to say. Barbara, why do y'all do this every Thursday? Huh?

Why do y'all do this every Thursday? Because this community has been scared into not supporting the Arbery family. People's jobs have been threatened. People's lives have been threatened. So we are out here to say it's safe to come out and support the family. Come out and do this because if it were your son, if it were your brother, if it were your uncle, your cousin, you would want somebody to be out here for you. So that's why we're here. We're here to make sure that this

community knows it can show up and look at them showing up and showing out. We watch the community members going in. This is why we do it. Black lives matter. Black lives matter. My life matters. And so there were a number of folks out there. Y'all can go to the video right now.

And there was some young kids out there. They were carrying the signs. Go back to the iPad, please. There were some young kids carrying the sign. I had to have a little fun with them. Wow. So, again, so they got young folks out here, adults behind us. So you see the transfer.

We're just going to listen to a sign. And so, what? No, no, no. Now you're out? Oh, little sign. And so what? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, we told him I didn't want to. You did. I made a way for you. You want to play the video back? I'm playing. I'm playing. He got a whole lot to say. You trying to be a lawyer one day?

What you want to be one day? They don't get no peace. They don't get no peace. We don't get no peace. We don't get no peace. That little kid, that little kid had, his name was Jamie. He had a whole lot of mouth on him, Reesey. I think he must be related to you. I don't know. The mouth, yes, but keeping the story straight. I keep my story straight. I don't know. The mouth, yes, but keeping the story straight.

I keep my story straight. I don't know. I just have to say, you know, it's so important. We talked about the power of protest. We talked about the power of showing up. The power of Black media, I know Dr. Kari said this earlier in the show, is so important because those Black kids need to know that their presence matters to people beyond the people that they're looking at.

And, you know, forget about what's on CNN and MSNBC, and they want to rerun the same hack jobs and horse race coverage about, you know, who's up and who's down. This is what matters to Black people. This is what we're all focusing on in terms of making sure that Ahmaud Arbery gets justice. And so thank you, as usual, we say this every week, thank you for being there, representing our community and shining a light on things that actually matter to us. Well, certainly appreciate that. Thank you so very much. I'm going to do a real quick break. Then we come back. We're just going to share a little bit more from when they were at the actual the mural that that is not far from the courthouse here.

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from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. I'm out. Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I must say, Faraji, it was great to see the young brothers and sisters out there. You see a young white girl who was out there. In fact, as we were coming back to the courthouse, there was a Boys and Girls Club. It was about 20 or so little kids, and they had them all lined up.

They wanted them to also see folks marching down the street. I just thought that that was important. Again, imagine if you're one of those kids because here's the reality. Ahmaud Arbery was that age at one time. And so it's important, I believe, that our kids and white kids and Latino kids and Asian kids be out here and understand that their voice matters as well. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, we're looking at, you know, I see one of the banners had the great John Lewis on the front. John Lewis was a young man when he came to be a part of the civil rights movement under Dr. King.

He was a young man when he decided to walk those streets down in Selma. And so when you're looking at these little brothers and sisters, even the little white girls saying protect the vote and all of those signs, I mean, this is the type of mental shifting that we have to do. And those little brothers that you talked to, Brother Roland, they will never forget that experience that they were a part of this march. And then more importantly, that they were leading the march and they were talking to you while leading the march. They won't forget that. And so what that just did was you just planted a seed.

What those marchers do, they plant a seed to those children because they may not all understand, of course, all of the dynamics of the case. They don't understand all of the situation about race relations. But you can know that they feel like when they hear those messages, Black Lives Matter, one of our YouTube watchers said Black Love Matter,

when he's talking about protecting the life of Black boys and Black girls, that's going to sink in. Just in a march, it could just turn them from being destructive and self-hating to a place

where now they're serving and loving each other. There's nothing that is more powerful than that type of experience. They can't teach that in the classroom. You got to bring the children. And when there's an opportunity to get our babies involved, if the marches or protests are safe and secure, bring the children out, especially the young boys

and young girls around seven, out, especially the young boys and young girls around seven, eight, nine years old. Have those conversations with your children because guess what? They're going to grow up to become grown men and women. And if they say, my mama and my daddy took me out, my uncle took me out, my grandmother took me out, we always fought for freedom.

I mean, being a freedom fighter has no age limit, Dr. Carl Reason. We all know that. And all of us have been awakened because someone took us under their wings early on. Dr. Greg Carl wouldn't be the great Dr. Greg Carl unless somebody exposed him to some

level of knowledge, took him, and said, look, I think, Greg, you need to be here. You know what I mean? Reese wouldn't be Reese Colburn if somebody didn't expose her and say, Reese, I think this is part of your mission. You know, as being a woman and having your voice heard.

We've all been exposed as children, so we can't diminish that. We can't just say, oh, man, that doesn't matter. Let's wait until they get to be teenagers. You got to do that real early. And Greg Carr, he turned 80 years old a couple of weeks ago.

Go ahead! What? I can tell you, Greg, you know, I've my goodness, I've met Reverend Jackson easily

35, 40 years ago. And it's hard to actually describe the look in his eye. We were marching. They pulled up. I was in the SUV and he made it clear that he was going to march with the Transforming Justice Coalition and with these children. Now, I want people, I want people to understand, and I'm not, and this is no criticism, but I need y'all to realize that behind me, behind me, go to the wide shot. Go to the wide.

You should have a wide shot. Go to the wide shot. Y'all should have a wide shot. It's camera here. Okay, so behind me, this is where the news conference took place here. And it was jam-packed and people were here. And then they went across the street where they had a gathering place for a rally here. But when it came time for that weekly march, 99% of the people who were here, the pastors here,

did not march down the street. But this was Reverend Jackson. And I can tell you, Greg, his folks at the Watcher Step, they were very careful. There were a couple times where he stumbled. But I can tell you that it was, he was adamant that he was going to get out of that car and walk with those children. My God. I could hear it in your voice rolling. What that does. And just again, everybody, the Black Star Network, like you just said, said i mean but we can't say it enough this is why this space has to thrive and exist and this is why you built it rolling just a story in the

last 15 minutes of footage brother now jesse was what 28 around when Dr. King was assassinated, and as the stories always go, you know, Jesse was the one who would jump down in the middle of it. The North Carolina A&T football star quarterback who is in the movement now, and they would say often in meetings, it was Dr. King who could hold order on Jesse, because Jesse was

ready to roll on everything, and sometimes Dr. King would have to get him and come, hey man, come sit next to me in the meeting. Just come sit down there. Ahmaud Arbery was only two, three years younger than Jesse when he was killed in the street. And to watch

that footage of intergenerational will, Jesse is going to do that until they take him from here and then he's going to be doing it on the other side. That's just who he has always been. but to watch you brother walking down the middle of the street with your arm casually draped around that young brother that is not a male threat to go back to that policing story that you covered that isn't a man that was a little boy now he's a little boy with a lot of mouth,

but the man who had his arm around him was showing him how to use that mouth. The way you just... What you just said, Baraja, and I'm saying this to make a point. When you see that kind of coverage, of course, as Reezy said, that's not going to be on white stream television

because they would be sticking a microphone in that little boy's face trying to expect him to sound like a man but what you just tapped into brother is something that jesse out of south carolina taps into you out of texas taps into and what marcus arbery did reminded me so much of uh emmett till's great uncle mose right that is the eloquence of the south he he tapped into that thing. He said, you know, no, my son, he called him by his nickname, Maude, he's okay.

But you tore your own family up. He called the devil out. That man set natural fire to this system. And those white girls who were there with those signs, those are the white girls who the police will not harm that we were talking about earlier. But something between the age they are right now and the time they become adults has to change in this society so that they will never leave that street until the society is reconstructed,

and that those children can grow up, as you said, Far you said, in Faraji, in a system and in a society where they will celebrate their differences, they will embrace their cultural variety, and they at the same time, they will stand in front of anything and bump for each other because they will not allow themselves to live in a society, as Mr. Arbery said, that will have you stand somewhere and kill yourself because you decided that somebody who doesn't look like you deserves to die. That was a remarkable 10, 15 minutes of footage, brother, because it told a lot of stories at the same time. And that's why the Black Star Network is singularly unique. Ray, I want to give you the final comment. I'm seeing some of the comments from people here.

And let me just say some of y'all talking about Reva should take better care of himself. Let me just say, some of y'all talking about Reverend should take better care of himself. Y'all know what the hell y'all talking about. Wow. And then somebody said Reverend need to be in a wheelchair. Let me say this again. Shut the hell up.

Y'all don't know what y'all talking about. Okay? For all y'all don't know what y'all talking about. Okay, for all y'all people sitting on your ass at home right now, I need y'all to understand, Reverend, and look, it's hard to hear Reverend because of his Parkinson's disease. And it gets later in the day when he is tired, it's even harder. But I need all y'all people who are running your damn miles. Oh, it's embarrassing, Reverend, out there.

When he came to the car and I went to say bye to him and he pulled me closer and he said, Roland, we're involved in three actions. He said, I was at Howard University. That's right. Where he fell and bumped his head, went to the hospital, got out of the hospital, went back to Howard University. That's right. And the next day went to Indiana to stay with the family of Jelani Day and that mother and this being here. So at 80 years old with Parkinson's, still difficult to walk, difficult to talk.

When they were walking out here, Reverend was sweating, had the heat. I ran to grab my umbrella and said, hey, get the heat off of Reverend's head. Use an umbrella. He's still here. Yeah. He is not going to sit in a wheelchair as long as his legs work, because his deal is that's what he's always done. So all y'all people sitting here running your mouths who don't know nothing,

y'all ain't out here. I have looked, I'm telling y'all, we were there in Austin at the March for Democracy. I remember. When he went out there and walked and marched multiple times. He wasn't there for the photo op. So some of y'all need to show some goddamn respect for our elders who have been putting it on the line, who can easily sit at home and look around

the house and all the awards and everything, yet they are still on the front lines. That's what some of y'all need to understand. Risa, go ahead. Close us out. Look, at the end of the day, if you have a problem with what Reverend Jesse Jackson is out there doing, then here's a suggestion.

Retire him. You retire him. Come on, Reese. Come on. At 80 years old, he shouldn't have to be out there, but he's the man that's walking in his purpose, and thank God for him. God bless him.

If you're that concerned out there, then go lend your shoulder for him to lean on. Go hold that umbrella, as Roland said. A lot of people can sit at home and criticize people who are putting their body, their lives, especially we're in the middle of a pandemic still. He just recovered

from COVID. He has Parkinson's. He recovered from a fall. He's putting himself on the line, and all you got to do is fake concern for him. Retire him. Retire everybody that's out there on those streets. We got to beg and plead people to do the basic shit like vote and do

other kind of stuff and people still criticize people who are out there on the streets in between elections who are actually putting their feet to the pavement and doing the work that we don't have to do because we're not out there. So if you have a suggestion,

my suggestion for you is retire Reverend Jesse Jackson, retire Cliff Albright, so he doesn't have to spend the night in jail, retire 100 pastors having to come down there and comfort another Black family who has lost a loved one whose son has been lynched and that's a tall order it's a lot easier to punch down it's a lot easier to to to to complain about a person's individual action than it is to fix the system so as roland said and i'll echo him, shut the hell up.

Yes. Well, you know, I had some food talking about, oh, watch that video. Roland was struggling. Bring your ass out here. See if you can keep up with me. What? People just are. Bring your ass out here. Right.

But I love of people, come on out here and let me see if you can hit this thing at 730 in the morning and be here at 822 and work for the past 13 hours. Let's see what you can do. Again, real easy to sit your ass at home. But let's come on and see if you can sit here and carry a tripod, set some equipment up, shoot some video, fly a drone, and also hit with the march.

Bring your ass. See, that's the whole deal here. And see, Reese said it best. This was a lynching. What happened to Ahmaud Arbery was a lynching. And the problem that a lot of black folks today is you don't have the same integrity that black folks had when Emmett Till was lynched.

And so you would rather go on back to watching your reality show or watching some other TV show or playing some video games when other folk are willing to come here and stand with the family. And so for the haters, I ain't worried about it. I heard what Ahmaud's daddy told me directly last night. Come on, brother. And some of y'all need to pay attention because we need more of us on the front lines versus some of y'all who's sitting at home watching this and saying they should be doing this and doing that.

Bring your ass if you got something to say. Greg, Reesey, Faraji, I appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Hey, folks, we got to bounce. I will not be with us tomorrow. I will be in New York City doing some interviews for Rolling with Roland. I'll be talking with Michelle Roberts, who is executive director of the National Basketball Players Association.

She's retiring at the end of the year. I'm sitting down with Will Downing, Melba Moore as well. Next Wednesday, we're not going to have our show the day before Thanksgiving, but we're going to be launching the first episode of Rolling with Roland, our new one-hour interview show on the Black Star Network. I'm sitting with

Johnny Gill. It's an amazing interview, and wait until you see the surprise at the end of the interview. You don't want to miss that at 6 p.m. Eastern. We're going to drop it on next Wednesday. My conversation, the first episode of Rolling with Roland with Johnny Gill and also Inland Empire, California.

I'm flying, talking to the group I'm talking to. I'm literally doing the interviews in New York. Again, some of y'all want to talk. Yeah, let's see if y'all got stamina. So we leave at 6 a.m. to go to New York tomorrow for the interviews there. And then Saturday, I am speaking at the Sierra Lakes Golf Club. Man, I'm speaking at a country club, and I ain't even playing golf. It's the Neighbors United of the Inland Empire.

They're a holiday luncheon and fundraiser. They sold out all of the tickets. And so I told them, I said, I appreciate that. They said, no, we appreciate you. So I'm going to be there. That's on Saturday. And so, again, my man Ray Baker is sitting in for me tomorrow. I still want you all to watch.

But there's only one flight that gets me to Inland Empire in time to catch for my speech on Saturday morning. So I got to leave New York tomorrow night at 730 again. So we're heading to New York in the morning to the National Basketball Players Association. We're going to do our interviews there, so we're looking forward to that. So rolling with rolling. Next Wednesday, talking with Johnny Gill. We're going to stay on the case, covering the news and issues.

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