#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Rioters planned to assassinate lawmakers; Pardons for rioters? OK Sen. apologizes to Black Tulsans

Episode Date: January 16, 2021

1.15.21 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Feds say insurrectionists planned to capture and assassinate lawmakers; Attorney for the QAnon Shaman asks Trump for a pardon; Woman whose daughter outed her on social... media has ben fired from her job for participating in the riot; OK Sen. James Lankford is apologizing to Black Tulsans for questioning presidential election results; Actor Nate Parker is here to talk about his new film American Skin.Support #RolandMartinUnfiltered via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered #RolandMartinUnfiltered is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:13 It's Rolling Martin. Rolling with rolling now. He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best. You know he's fresh, he's real, the best you know, he's rolling, Martin. Martin. Folks, federal authorities say riders plan to capture and assassinate lawmakers, including Vice President Mike Pence, when they stormed the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, January 6th.
Starting point is 00:03:49 At least 21 riders who stormed the U.S. Capitol were reportedly current or former cops or members of the military. Some of them were highly trained. Federal prosecutors are saying there is strong evidence that the insurrectionists included cops and military members who stormed the U.S. Capitol. And again, talk about how dangerous this is. The FBI has been investigating to see which riders plotted to kidnap members of Congress and hold them hostage. They're focusing particularly on the men seen carrying plastic zip tie handcuffs and pepper spray. I want to go to my panel right now on this very issue. Talk about a serious, serious issue that we're dealing with and is shedding new light on exactly what took place at the U.S. Capitol. Joining us right now, of course, is Michael M. Hotep.
Starting point is 00:04:32 He is, of course, he is the host of the African History Network show. Also, we have Rob Richardson. He's the host of Disruption Now podcast, as well as Kilipithia Communication Strategies. I want to start with you, Rob. Again, more details. Republicans have been desperate to say, oh, this is only a few people. This is only a handful of people. It got out of hand. But according to Capitol Hill police officers, they said people were having one to two way radios. They said this was very well planned. We cannot act as if this was just just just a few bad apples, Rob. No,
Starting point is 00:05:08 these were individuals who were taking orders from Donald Trump, from Rudy Giuliani, from Donald Trump Jr., from Republican members of Congress. They wanted to do harm. This is truly a national security issue. It absolutely is. And I am happy that the FBI now recognizes that, though this has been clear, they've been planning this in plain sight. It's been on, if you look on social media, they had a long trail of what they were going to do. They said what they were going to do, and then they actually did it. And they didn't take the threat seriously. We know why, because if it's white men that are Trump supporters, they can't be a threat to national security. They absolutely can. They are the threat, as you said, right now.
Starting point is 00:05:51 And I really want to make the point here that these are folks that really plan this out. We know that they tore out panic buttons from Congress members that couldn't use that. So had they been successful, they would have been able to do this. And they were very, very close to being successful in pulling this thing off. And we really have to take a look and make sure that we get our security together. And the security has to remove its bias and clearly go after this. This wasn't a one-off. This was a coordinated terrorist attack. These weren't protesters. These weren't even rioters. They are domestic terrorists, and we have to take them seriously, Roland. And we need the FBI to make sure that they are doing this. And I will say this, and as a point of law, anybody else that
Starting point is 00:06:38 was associated with this, how it normally works, people died. I believe it's at least five people that have died right now. There's this little part of the criminal law called felony murder. And when you commit an act that's illegal and someone dies in it, you can be charged with murder, even though you didn't commission the murder. That is the rule. So there's a lot of people, I believe, that are also responsible for murder, even if they didn't beat those officers or actually were the ones that laid hands on them. The thing here, Kelly, that we have to understand that Washington Post is reporting that Mike Pence, the riders were one minute away from a place when he was whisked away in the U.S. Capitol. That's how close they were to getting to Vice President Mike Pence. Absolutely. And the fact that a black Capitol Police officer was the one who literally diverted the attention of the mob
Starting point is 00:07:27 away from that entrance just shows you just how dedicated these officers are, regardless of race and politics. They had a job to do, and they did it to the best of their ability, given the fact that they had virtually no help for hours, but for themselves. So I commend the Capitol Police officers for really being heroes in this regard. But the fact that it is interesting to me how these rioters turned against Mike Pence, who is supposed to be Trump's right-hand man. So it just goes to show just how much of a loyalist they are to Trump specifically, not the Republican Party, not conservatism, not anything else, but whatever this particular man says. And the fact, it is a cult at this point. It is a very much a cult
Starting point is 00:08:20 mentality, a herd mentality, all geared towards one person because it shows that they weren't, you don't even know what political party they were because they were against everybody who was against Trump. But the here's the deal, Michael, is very simple. What these people were doing, Donald Trump had turned against Vice President Mike Pence. They were angry that Mike Pence would not break the law and reject these electors. They were targeting him as well. I mean, there's no doubt what's going on here. And no Republican can defend what took place. Every single one of them should be held accountable. Absolutely. And not only should they be held accountable, some of them are absolutely complicit. Some of them are actually, it appears some may be actually complicit in the planning
Starting point is 00:09:07 of it. But this goes to something even deeper. This goes to what is really being called a radicalization of a lot of these Trump supporters. Something that we would hear in association with people who are members of ISIS, a radicalization. And also, this goes to understanding how ignorant many people are of the U.S. Constitution and of law. Mike Pence did not have the authority to throw out Electoral College votes from swing states, okay? If he had that authority, then Joe Biden would have done that in January 2017. He would have thrown out
Starting point is 00:09:47 the Electoral College votes for Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania so Hillary Clinton could become president. And she got 3 million more popular votes than Donald Trump did. So when you look, and also when you look at the article from Politico dealing with the QAnon shaman,
Starting point is 00:10:01 and you listen to some of these people, there was footage that was shown yesterday on MSNBC where they're on the Capitol Mall there and they say, we were invited here by the president. That's not the president's house. He doesn't have authority to invite you there. So when you look at, I mean, and all we got to do is go back to January of 2020, early 2020, January, February 2020, the State of the Union address that Trump gave, and Trump had to get permission from Nancy Pelosi before he can come into the House of Representatives and give the State of the Union address, because that's not his house.
Starting point is 00:10:39 She controls that. So when you go through and listen to these various statements of them, this definitely sounds like a cult, but it also goes to how ignorant many of these people are about law and the Constitution, things like that. Or they don't care. I mean, they really don't. What I think though is that they don't care. They think this is, when they say it's their country, they have this view that they own the country and that these rules don't apply to them. That's for all people like us actually heard, saw a lady said, they're treating us like they treat black people and Black Lives Matter.
Starting point is 00:11:08 Like, no, you're actually having the law apply to you, and they've been so used to getting away with these things that so they, I think some of them are ignorant. That's probably the case. I think some of them think, right, it just doesn't, but they think it doesn't apply to them. They just think these rules don't apply. That's it.
Starting point is 00:11:24 You have different things. You have different things. Yeah, go ahead. No, I'm saying that I think it's a mixture of all of it, but more importantly, I think that they felt like they were truly disenfranchised. They really felt like they were slighted and betrayed by the government.
Starting point is 00:11:40 They felt that Trump was supposed to be the president because they have been, like Imhotep, am I saying that correctly? I hope I am. by the government. They felt that Trump was supposed to be the president because they have been like M. Hotep. Am I saying that correctly? I hope I am. Like what he was saying about indoctrination. These people have been indoctrinated. They have been brainwashed into thinking over the course of four years that Donald Trump is supposed to be the leader of this nation, not just for the 2016 election and the four years thereafter, but for as long as he wants to be the president.
Starting point is 00:12:12 It is that indoctrination. It is that brainwashing, that cult mentality that these people are using and following and truly believing that prompted them to have that insurrection last Wednesday. There's no there's no question about that. And they believe that lies. They've been radicalized. But but the only thing I would differ slightly in is that Trump is definitely the leader of it. He's definitely perfected the method, but he just got ahead of the train. But he is. But he got ahead of the train. This right wing propaganda has been going on for a while. And they and they and he what he did is he took advantage of a train. This right-wing propaganda has been going on for a while. And what he did is he took
Starting point is 00:12:46 advantage of a climate at the right time. He weaponized it. He weaponized it. What he did is he made it mainstream. He invited them into the White House. Here's what people got to remember. Donald Trump hired a bunch of white supremacists. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:02 Gorgia, Stephen Miller. Bannon. Bannon. Jeff Sessions as his attorney general, his first attorney general. This is who was around him. And see, this is why we have to be very careful. This is why back in 2016, leading up to the election, I was trying to explain to people that the presidency is this is not just about one person there were 4,000 positions he had to fill in his administration you gotta look at the people around him, people who are crafting policies, economic policies the Department of Justice this is not about one person, people thought that this was a popularity contest
Starting point is 00:13:38 oh I don't like Hillary, so I'm not gonna vote, what the hell are you talking about, elections have consequences no, they have a lot of consequences So I'm not going to vote. What the hell are you talking about? Elections have consequences. They have a lot of consequences. And you look at what happened. He set the tone. He set the tone. He weaponized it. And a lot of black folks, we recognize that we recognize the rhetoric immediately. We heard the echoes of George Wallace. We knew this was foreseeable. We've talked about it on the show. This was not a surprise to anybody on this show. This was all foreseeable. We recognize the energy.
Starting point is 00:14:07 This same energy that led to our people. But Rob, that's only for people who understand history. I agree. Because, see, Trump was this vicious backlash against two terms of President Barack Obama. And instead of us doing an
Starting point is 00:14:22 assessment of what was accomplished under the two terms of President Barack Obama, okay, you had the unemployment rate for African Americans cut in half. You had the lowest number of people in prison in 20 years. The U.S. prison population dropped to its lowest point in 20 years in December 2015. You had a drop in the percentage of African Americans in prison, going from about 40% down to 34%. More African Americans had health care because of the Affordable Health Care Act than any time in history, which extended the life expectancy of African Americans. You had all this, and then instead of building upon that, and then you had August 2016, the initiative from the Obama administration to abolish privatized prisons at the federal
Starting point is 00:15:05 level. The Department of Justice said they were not going to renew federal contracts for privatized prisons. What does Trump do? He renews them. Why? Because he was, because CoreCivic and GeoGroup, two of the largest owner operators of privatized prisons, donated almost $600,000 to his presidential campaign.
Starting point is 00:15:22 I mean, I agree with everything you're saying, but the issue is, though, I think it's a little deeper than that. There were some real issues that people had reasons to be frustrated with. And then I think there was a big under, I think people underestimated, everybody underestimated the threat of Donald Trump that he could even win.
Starting point is 00:15:37 And then when that happened, and he won, it took him off guard, and then they pushed hard. So thankfully we didn't fall for it this time, but this was predictable. And we've said it. And I would argue that it's this. Well, I would argue that it's a layer even deeper than that, Rob. I don't think it was just about us underestimating the power of Trump. I think we underestimated the power of white supremacy and the fact that these people had felt the threat of it slipping away. They felt their power slipping away
Starting point is 00:16:07 by said power being distributed evenly across all races. Because let's keep it a buck. Obama's policies very rarely, if ever, targeted specifically Black Americans. There has been nothing, you know, on his policy and his legacy, nothing is specifically regarding us. It's him. He wasn't really able to. Right. He wasn't able to at the time. So I'm not I'm not necessarily like blaming him for that. But the fact that anybody other than white people benefited from a presidency and a president's policies and a president's rhetoric, that was a threat, a direct threat to white supremacy. Folks, today. So hold on a second. Today, Congressman, excuse me, Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced that retired Lieutenant General Russell Honore is going to be leading the investigation into what took place on Capitol Hill through the insurrection. Here's what she had to say. I have asked retired Lieutenant General Russell Honore to lead an immediate review of security infrastructure, interagency processes, and command and control.
Starting point is 00:17:16 The general is a respected leader with experience dealing with crises. As a former vice director for operations J3 with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, his focus was military support to civilian authorities, military support to civilian authorities, and he has experience with the national capital region's security. House leadership has worked with General Honore, seen up close and personal, his excellent leadership at the time of Katrina. Particularly, Mr. Kyburn was the head of our Katrina task force. So he and I and others know full well how fortunate we are that the general has accepted as willing to do this. Members are moving forward with strong oversight from committees, of course,
Starting point is 00:18:10 to have after-action review. There is strong interest in the Congress and the 9-11-type commission and outside commission to conduct that after-action review. In the meantime, I'm very grateful to General Honore for taking on this responsibility. I dare say, Michael, that is an important, critical selection of General Russell Honore. I think it is perfect. As somebody, no nonsense to get down to the bottom of what took place on January 6th. I think it is also, and I think he'll get down to the bottom of what took place on January 6th?
Starting point is 00:18:48 I think it is also, and I think he'll get down to the bottom of it as well. And I think we're going to find the swamp and a basket of deplorables at the bottom also. So I was pleased to hear that today. Absolutely. It's an important pick. It's an important pick, Kelly. And again, Honoré, no nonsense. This video here is when he was on this show five days ago, letting folks have it. And in fact, just go pull the audio up.
Starting point is 00:19:17 And that is starting to happen. They're starting to fire him. But that was complicit. There's people inside the chain of command of that Capitol Police that allowed this to happen. I went into the Capitol, Roland, as three-star general, three stars on each shoulder in full uniform, and them asshats took a lighter from me.
Starting point is 00:19:41 You understand? They selectively applied the law, and they allowed their buddies in yesterday, and they destroyed a good portion of our house. And people need to go to jail. It needs to be a DOJ investigation, none of this bullshit Congress investigation. And we need to hold people accountable. We need to catch all their phones, who they were with, their rooms they went to in that Capitol. I used to go in and out.
Starting point is 00:20:11 I never know how you'd find your way to some of these rooms. So they had help inside the force. And you can assume about 30 percent of that force support the guy in the White House. That's just the demographics. And our system failed yesterday. I dare say, Kelly, if you're a Capitol Hill police officer, a member of Congress, you do not want to see him walking through the door. Unless he's saying, thank you for your service.
Starting point is 00:20:39 No, you do not. I remember on a race specifically from Hurricane Katrina and the coverage of Hurricane Katrina because it's in history books now, but for those of us who were there, that was an entire mess. It was just very unorganized, very disorganized, very chaotic,
Starting point is 00:20:57 very heartbreaking. And to have Honoré on the scene taking the lead, figuring out what happened, how to make sure that it doesn't happen again, putting policies in place so that we can move forward from that tragedy. We need that right now. And it's obvious that it's not going to come from the Trump administration. For the Biden administration to get to it is frankly a little too late because they have COVID-19 to worry about. We need something right now starting this investigation. I feel like
Starting point is 00:21:31 Honoré will definitely be the perfect person for the job. Rob? Yeah, I mean, I'm excited to see somebody that's going to hold these folks accountable. We have to have somebody that's ready because this is going to be a hard task. And I think he made a really important point. He talked about the demographics of some of the Capitol Police, but the demographics of the police in general. There was an article, I can't remember if it was from Times or wherever, but it talked about a lot of black officers across the country have been upset about the radicalization of members within their force that are white that have become radicalized in terms of hate, in terms of where they're going.
Starting point is 00:22:11 And we know why in this current climate, but there hasn't been anybody addressing that. And that's going to have to get really, really reviewed, really the climate of the criminal justice system, specifically the climate of policing, which we know has general problems, but I think has gotten pretty drastically worse in the last few years due to the climate of policing, which we know has general problems, but I think has gotten pretty drastically worse in the last few years due to the climate and due to the former leader in our country. Thank God in a few days. Folks, Republicans are doing lots of backtracking left and right. One of them is the senator from Oklahoma, James Langford. He was one of the Jim Crow caucus who stood on the floor of the Capitol, talking about how, you know, votes were being used and how it was unfair. Well, let's just say black folks in Tulsa were not too particularly happy with Senator Langford.
Starting point is 00:22:59 As a result, he has had to issue an apology to them, saying that for not recognizing that his involvement in questioning presidential election results would offend them. Black Tulsa's have called for his removal or resignation for the 1921 race massacre centennial committee. In a letter addressed to, quote, my friends in North Tulsa, Lankford wrote this. My action of asking for more election information caused a firestorm of suspicion among many of my friends, particularly in black communities around the state. I was completely blindsided, but I also found a blind spot. What I did not realize was all of the national conversation about states like Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Michigan was seen as casting
Starting point is 00:23:40 doubt on the validity of votes coming out of predominantly black communities like Atlanta, Philadelphia, and Detroit. After decades of fighting for voting rights, many black friends in Oklahoma saw this as a direct attack on their right to vote, for their vote to matter and even a belief that their votes made an election in our country illegitimate. I can assure you my intent to give a voice to Oklahomans who had questions was never also an intent to diminish the voice of any black American. As a United States Senator representing almost 4 million Oklahomans, I am committed to hearing from all Oklahomans, answering questions, and addressing our challenges to strive towards a more perfect union. In this instance, I should have recognized how what I said and what I did
Starting point is 00:24:19 could be interpreted by many of you. I deeply regret my blindness to that perception. And for that, I am sorry. Blind spot, huh? Really? Blind spot? Okay. We knew exactly what was going on. Joining us right now is the state senator from Oklahoma, Kevin Matthews. Senator Matthews, how you doing? I'm doing well, Brother Roland. Do you accept this apology from Senator Lankford? Well, it's not my role to accept this apology or not. It was my role to tell him not to do it in the first place. It was my role to tell him it was going to be offensive, that it was an affront to democracy, that black folks—and I even tried to explain to him not just the fact that—first I said,
Starting point is 00:25:15 you know, to fight a free and fair election was an affront to those of us who won as a Democrat, as a black man, as a person that voted for the Biden-Harris ticket. I also explained to him how it was an affront to black folks that we had a first black woman become vice president. And as the goalposts continue to move, now we're going to ask for credentials over and over and over. And that seemed racist. I told him that in advance of this. And then after the incident, of course, he didn't follow through with his initial plan. But that was my role as a black man, as a senator, as a person that had a great relationship with this guy. And so, you know, Roland, the last time I was on your show,
Starting point is 00:26:08 I was a guest of his in Washington, D.C., at the National African-American Museum of History and Culture around this issue, around what we were trying to do then. And so now it's my role to let him hear everything that our members on our commission feel about it, how they feel about it. Let him hear what our steering committee and our members have had to say. And then we'll see what happens moving forward. The irony or the situation I'm in is that this state didn't newly find out
Starting point is 00:26:50 that this was the reddest state in the United States. This is the only state in the United States that not one county voted for our first black president, Obama. Not one county did this ticket win. But here's the deal with me. Lankford stands up there. How do you not know the man is targeting black people? And then Oklahomans have questions.
Starting point is 00:27:13 No! The man lied to these fools, and they went along with the damn lie. Sarah Lankford went along with the lie. That is very obvious, and I agree. The question that we have before us now, which is interesting, because immediately after our conversation, I put up my statement about the affront, how I felt and all of that, and then we saw what actually happened. The big deal, Roland, is when I started this commission, I was the only black man in the state Senate. Now there's two of us, and one is
Starting point is 00:27:55 not coming because of COVID. And so I'm now back to being the only black man coming to the Senate, but George Young is a great member of our Senate as well. The issue that I have is when I started this work to be able to get funding from the state and to be able to raise now near $30 million, not me personally, but our capital campaign team, for this effort. I had to choose to only, the only people I had to choose is all of the elected officials that we had. And so the commission was formed to address the fact that we needed to have this issue, the story told in a transparent way. Quite frankly, the only way it happened here was not because everybody wanted to honor the massacre. It was because of financial reasons that tourism is the third largest revenue driver. So with that, the issue is on this commission. If we, this is the problem that we have.
Starting point is 00:29:13 If we have the purity test of all the Trumpers and the people that support that off, then it's just all the Republicans that we have on the commission. And it leaves just all the Republicans that we have on the commission. And it leaves just us. And so I represent the people, and the people are upset, and they're the ones asking. And so if this commission asks him to leave, then he's going to have to leave. If he resigns, then he resigns. And so that's where we are. We're going to see if the latter and all the conversations
Starting point is 00:29:46 make a difference or not. So for you, Lankford stays or goes from this commission committee? As I just said, that's going to happen over this next week. We have had our steering committee meet with him and talk to him. We've had our commission committee meet with him and talk to him. We've had our commission members meet with him and talk to him. They've gotten this letter and we'll be meeting, I think, on the 23rd and a decision will be made. All right, then, Senator Matthews, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot. All right. Thank you. All right. This to me, this to me is the reckoning. Rob, these white folks need to understand white folks like La this to me is the reckoning, Rob, that these white folks need to understand.
Starting point is 00:30:28 White folks like Lathrop need to understand the reckoning. And when you stand out there and you and you defend the white supremacy of Donald Trump and the Republican Party, there's going to be a pushback and black folks in this moment should let people understand we are not going to be quiet. And if you want to do this here and guess what? We're still constituents. We're going to bring rain hell on your ass when you do it. And we absolutely should, because as I said earlier, we recognize this rhetoric. We recognize George Wallace when we saw him and we knew what this could lead to. We knew what this would lead to for us and America. And so these people got so lost in there and Donald Trump and following him and thinking that they were going to stay in power, that they're willing to follow whatever he said. And now they're figuring out how can we get those supporters? This is what this game is now.
Starting point is 00:31:12 How can we get these supporters? That's the that's the first part of the game. The second part of the game is how do they figure out how do they prevent us from voting at those levels? And we're seeing that play out in Georgia. They're talking about, well, let's just get rid of absentee ballot voting. So that's the new thing now. So they want to just, because so many black people voted, let's just get rid of absentee, no fault balloting for everybody. That way we never go through this again. So we have to push back hard because they are not going to, look, power can seize nothing without demand. As Frederick Douglass says,
Starting point is 00:31:41 never has, never will. We got to keep pushing, and we are not going back to accepting Donald Trump. We're not going back to George Wallace. We're going to fight. This is our country, too, despite what people believe. We are part of this country. We're not going back. We're not going anywhere. I say keep the pressure on them, Kelly.
Starting point is 00:31:58 Every single person, every single one of these Republicans, they should be met by black folks wherever they go. And I don't care if you black in Missouri, y'all should be whooping Josh Hawley's ass, showing up at his office, putting pressure on him because letting him know you don't just represent white folks in Missouri. You represent everybody that includes East St. Louis, that includes St. Louis, that includes all the communities of Kansas City as well. And so they need to feel the wrath of black people for them supporting these white domestic terrorists. I mean, that's a given. That is an absolute given.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Well, it's not a given for some people. Not a given for some people. It is not, but, you know, what can you say, right? But for those who have common sense, this is a given. I think that what happened with this particular senator is that instead of him being genuine with his apology, he was genuinely scared that he was not going to get his seat come next election because he is up for reelection. I believe this coming election cycle, he's up for an election, and having this kind of tarnish on his record, it puts his entire career, from a Senate standpoint, it puts it in jeopardy. So I saw
Starting point is 00:33:15 this more as a crisis management letter as opposed to a genuine letter to Black people, because at the end of the day, apologies do not absolve white supremacists and insurrectionists uh of the guilt and and the actions that that perpetuated what happened on wednesday that perpetuated what happened in the past four years four or five years with this president you did you cannot have a trump without people like this senator. You cannot have a Trump without the support that Trump had in order to have this insurrection on January 6th, in order to have this MAGA movement for the past four years. If it were just Trump, meh. You know what I'm saying? He would have had some influence, but you need a foundation in order to stand that high.
Starting point is 00:34:06 And he was part of that foundation. So this was definitely more of a crisis management issue than anything else. But more importantly, it'll be 100 years since the riots. And I believe this man is on the committee to plan such a celebration, to plan such an initiative in that state, in that city, and then to have this on his record, the cognitive dissonance is right there. I say that a lot on your show, but it really, really is. And people like that don't need to be in office. People like that don't need to have authority because it creates chaos, such as what we saw last week. Michael. You know, I read the entire letter. I read the article actually yesterday from Tulsa World. And I'm sitting here and I'm like, either he's stupid or he thinks we're stupid.
Starting point is 00:35:07 And the reason why I say that is because in the article it says he's arguably he arguably has been more involved with black Tulsans and particularly the historic Greenwood district than any statewide Republican office holder in decades. Okay, well, if you are so involved, how is it that you don't understand that you are participating in disenfranchising African-American voters, okay? This is on top of Trump having the challenges in the courts, challenging Georgia elections in Pennsylvania and trying to challenge Michigan and things like this. OK. And then the other thing is this ties into Georgia and the two Senate races in Georgia. OK. 1963, the state law that was put in place that was initiated by State Representative Denmark Groover. He was a segregationist. This was designed, this is what put in place
Starting point is 00:36:11 statewide runoff races, okay? It was designed specifically to keep African Americans from having statewide power, winning Senate races and things like that in the state of Georgia. So what took place with Reverend Warnock and him winning that Senate race, that was not supposed to happen. So you got and what he's trying to do, what Langford is trying to do and what Josh Hawley is trying to do, they want to run for president in 2024. They're trying to latch on to that. They're trying to latch on to that Trump coalition, but they want to be smoother
Starting point is 00:36:46 with it. See, what we really got to watch for is somebody that is like Trump, but is smoother and better packaged and more intelligent. That's what we really got to watch. Well, that's why I'm so afraid of Pence. That's exactly why I'm so afraid of Pence, because him and Pence, I mean, there's a reason why they were on the ticket together. They are alike in ideology. And I used to joke with my friends that Pence looks like an evil Colonel Sanders and then Trump just looks crazy. So, like, with Pence,
Starting point is 00:37:14 especially when in the debates and his interviews over the past few years, like, he's very smooth. He's very pointed. And frankly, he's very conniving. But see... I'm sorry. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:37:28 But the difference... First of all, I'm not scared of any of them. All right? Okay? I'm going to call out white supremacy a lot. I'm going to call out white supremacy. The real issue here is, though, is that what they are trying to do is they
Starting point is 00:37:44 are trying to stoke the flames. And like I keep saying, they want to play footsie with white supremacists. They want to sit here and they want to keep it. But see, in their minds, we could keep you all at bay. We could tamp you all down. What they have now done by attacking the Capitol, they've now said, no, no, no, no. Even y'all can't control us. And so now the DOJ got to put y'all down.
Starting point is 00:38:13 See, these folks have to be put down like a wounded horse. See, you don't, here's the deal. You don't play games with thugs you don't play games with insurrectionists no this is not somebody look if y'all want to roll to a capital and the law allows for y'all to wear y'all military gear and you can carry your gun that's fine but when you start trying to break into the Capitol, when the doors are barricaded, look, hey, people are saying
Starting point is 00:38:50 I feel sorry for the woman who got shot and killed. Not me. Not me. Doors were barricaded. They were trying to not tear the doors down to get to the Speaker's lobby and she tried to.
Starting point is 00:39:05 She was climbing over people. That's my point. My point is, yo ass. Wait a minute. In the video, they said, hey, they got guns. Now, let me tell you, if I'm on this side of the table and they have guns on that side of the table, my ass ain't about to cross this side of the table unless I got a gun too. You're not going to see black people
Starting point is 00:39:27 crossing that. You know that was something that they thought they could get away with because they always have. I'm going to say this too. They've been able to though. Though it hasn't happened at the Capitol, we've had insurrections happen plenty of times before. And then they were also, of course, going through state capitals with guns
Starting point is 00:39:44 and everything else. So you had this energy being built up. But this is traditional. When I heard people say, this is not America, this is not what America does, that's wrong. Like America has a whole lot of history of violence when it comes to politics, specifically when it comes to black people. You can look at the Wilmington, North Carolina massacre
Starting point is 00:40:01 as one example of many where they just burned down an entire, they burned down the black newspaper, the Daily Record. And then they went after and took out most of the legislators who were black, killed their families. That happened across the South, happened a lot of places. We in America, we know, but most Americans don't actually know their history. So they're like surprised by this. This is not a surprise given the climate that we've created, given the leader and the rhetoric that we've had coming out. This is what we've been warning about. And now they've got and now and now the right wing has made a deal with the devil.
Starting point is 00:40:32 They play with fire and they can't control it. Yeah, that's it. And so my deal is you take them out. And this is why we don't play games. This is why every single person I'm telling you right now, Ron Johnson, Wisconsin, black folks in Milwaukee. Let's take his ass out in 22. If you in Florida, let's take Rubio's ass out in 2022. Let's take that seat in North Carolina in 2022. Let's take to me seat in Pennsylvania in 2022. Let's take Toomey's seat in Pennsylvania in 2022. This is where you exert power. You exert power. Now, first of all, Toomey has been highly critical and he's been on the right side on this,
Starting point is 00:41:13 but he's still a voter suppressionist. Okay? But the bottom line is here. This is where you take them out. This is where we exert more power. They pissed off about Ossoff and Warnock. Hell, let's elect 10 more Ossoff and Warnock. Let's
Starting point is 00:41:30 drive their asses crazy. So while they're yelling and screaming, we're mobilizing and organizing. That's what our job should be. Gotta go to break when we come back. Remember the white woman got punched by her sister? Trying to grab her sister's phone. Her ass need a new job today. I'll explain
Starting point is 00:41:46 next on Roller Martin Unfiltered. I'm in the world of fiction. That's what I do. I'm an actress. I spent 35 years in this business. I've been in the business since I was 14. I was discovered in a basement theater in Philadelphia. Basement called Freedom Theater.
Starting point is 00:42:01 And that's what I do. I play for a living. And I look and see that we're in a world that i mean i mean that it's it's bizarre when you can't tell the fake from the real these people are not faking it that's what they're going to that's that's they're willing to put their whole lives their family's lives their whole everything they've accomplished around looking pathetic and weak around a table because this man showed up and told them that, you know, that he was the one and everybody should follow him. He didn't even have a good, he didn't even have a good argument. He's not Martin Luther King. He has no, he has no, no words.
Starting point is 00:42:40 He has no, he has nothing. He's just rich and white and male. And so people want to see that power on display and then tell us that we are not, you know, that we're crazy, they can't do it anymore. That's a good news. Rick Scott here. I have just now taken over as chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.
Starting point is 00:43:01 I now have to figure out how to raise roughly a gazillion dollars in order to retake the U.S. Senate and stop the march of socialism and the destruction of the American people. There are two things I don't agree with. We can take that place. And then do what? Heads on pike. I'll fight next to you. I'll keep going. Get in there. Get the f*** in there. Let's get him! Every single in there is a traitor. Every single one. I heard a really loud bang.
Starting point is 00:43:33 We all thought it was like a flash bang or something like that. But a girl got shot. You can see the blood. The President of the United States, President Trump, and the President of the United States, President Trump, and the President of the United States, President Trump, and the President of the United States, President Trump, and the President of the United States, President Trump, heart of our Republic. We're gonna walk down to the Capitol because you'll never take back our country with weakness.
Starting point is 00:44:08 You won't fight! You vote leave! You don't vote! I unequivocally condemn the violence. If you don't fight like hell, you're not gonna have a country anymore. They ain't like pets! They ain't like pets! Making America great again has always been about defending the rule of law. The president, sources say, initially rebuffed bringing in the National Guard. We were repeatedly being told by the National Guard at the national level that we did not have authorization. Supporting the men and women of law enforcement.
Starting point is 00:44:37 The Capitol Police officer died of injuries from the attack. A second U.S. Capitol Police officer who responded to the Capitol riots last week has died. We have seen too many riots, too many mobs, too many acts of intimidation. I just want to find 11,780 votes. Today I am calling on all Americans to overcome the passions of the moment and join together as one American people.
Starting point is 00:45:03 All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical left Democrats, which is what they're doing. Be the first African-American to become the Secretary of Defense, if confirmed, is an enormous honor and a privilege. But you know, it's not the first time that I've been the first.
Starting point is 00:45:30 Back when I was a Lieutenant Colonel, I was selected to be the operations officer for the 82nd Airborne Division. An African American had never held that position before. And later on, I would become the first African American to command an infantry division in combat. And subsequent to that, I was the first African-American to command an army corps in combat. The first African-American to be the vice chief of the army.
Starting point is 00:45:58 The first African-American to be the CENTCOM commander. It's hard to believe, but it's true. There is kind of a sad commentary here, and that is, it shouldn't have taken this long for us to get here. There should have been someone that preceded me. I am enormously grateful for the service and the sacrifices of those that went before me. The Tuskegee Airmen, the Montford Point Marines, the folks who served in World War I and World War II, who performed with distinction, and it's on their shoulders that I stand here today.
Starting point is 00:46:41 My goal is to not be the last. Hopefully we can set those conditions in place that ensure that I'm not the last Corps commander to command in combat or the last CENTCOM commander and certainly not the last African-American Secretary of Defense. Do y'all remember this video here? Press play. But today, there were no tweets, and there never will be again. Twitter has banned the president for life. Joe Lincoln has the latest.
Starting point is 00:47:23 Tonight, a deafening silence. Please, get the right video together a massachusetts woman has been fired after her daughter outed her as one of the u.s capital rioters theresa duke lost her job as a caregiver at umass memorial after her 18 year old daughter helene duke identified her being punched in the face by a security guard outside the Capitol on January 6th. All right, y'all, cue the video up. Y'all, watch the video here. No, cue it up. You can go to the beginning.
Starting point is 00:47:51 Cue it back up. Cue it back up. Come on, y'all. Thank you. Now play the video. Play the video. Thank you. Thank you. The uniformed security guard punched Duke in the face of the Duke to overtake her cell phone.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Herlaine retweeted the viral video and said, Hi, Mom, remember the time you told me I shouldn't go to BLM protests? Bring the audio down, please. Thank you. Bring the audio down, please. Thank you. Bring the audio down, please. Thank you. Remember, she said, hi, mom. Remember the time you told me I shouldn't go to BLM protests because they could get violent? This you? In the second video, Duke is seen trying to explain that she was punched by the black girl. Her daughter then commented, mom, I think you meant to say the powerful black woman punched you for harassment. UMass Memorial said in a statement late last week that Duke was no longer employed at the
Starting point is 00:48:49 hospital. You know what? Roll that again. I just, I mean, I just want to see y'all the quickness of the sister's punch and how she bloodied homegirl's nose. Go ahead. Roll the video, please. Quick. Go ahead, roll the video, please. Quick!
Starting point is 00:49:10 Quick! I think right there, some top boxers will be pleased with the quickness of that jab, Kelly. I mean, it was definitely quick. I remember seeing this tweet as it was going viral on Twitter. But what struck out to me the most is the fact that, like, a lot of her peers, a lot of Xennials, meaning, you know,
Starting point is 00:49:42 people right after me, their first president was Obama, right? So to see Trump in office as clearly a bigot, they see him for who he is, which is a bigot, which is a xenophobe, which is a racist, as opposed to their parents, who still have this warped, nostalgic sense of veneration for him. So the dichotomy of the new generation actually trying to be better than their parents against their actual parents who want to maintain the status quo. That's what I see in this tweet. This upcoming group of youth who are about to be voters very soon have no conception of overt racism because the work that we did and my parents did and my great grandparents and my grandparents
Starting point is 00:50:40 did. And they don't have an example of that but for their parents so you're going to see a lot of this conflict you're going to see a lot of this tension in homes especially white homes with children who have actual legitimate black friends not you know black friends as tokens just to say that they're not racist but but legitimate people that they grew up with, that they identify with. You have white youth who are part of the LGBT community. I believe this person who tweeted is a lesbian or queer in the queer community. So she got kicked out of her mom's house because of her sexuality. So that adds another layer to the dichotomy of how this generation is purporting to live versus how this previous
Starting point is 00:51:29 generation that, you know, are now insurrectionists or labeled as insurrectionists now. You're going to see a lot of that tension now. Aside from the video being funny. All I know is this here, Michael. I ain't got no problem with these white folks losing their jobs. None
Starting point is 00:51:45 of them. Exactly. There's a lot of them losing their jobs. They're being turned in by their family members. When the Department of Justice had a press conference earlier this week, they said they've gotten 100,000 digital tips. You had one woman,
Starting point is 00:52:01 I talked about this on my show earlier this week, you had one woman who was in the U.S. Capitol building, and she was taking pictures of herself, and she was there with one guy. He was sitting in the vice president's chair or something. I think they were in the Senate. She resigned from her position, and now she's being prosecuted. So I have no problem with them losing their jobs and the companies they work for don't want to have anything to do with these domestic terrorists they're being exposed losing
Starting point is 00:52:30 their jobs being prosecuted so uh you know but see once again i've been talking about this all week um this is white privilege you and so they would and some of them have been put on the no fly list. Representative Benny Thompson, chair of the Homeland Security Committee. He he he contacted TSA and I think the FBI and a lot of these people have been put on the no fly list. So there was one there was one heavyset white guy who was at the airport. Daily Mail has an article about this. He's at the airport crying and he said they won't let me fly. They're calling me a terrorist. They're trying to ruin my life. Things like this. He's at the airport crying and he said, they won't let me fly. They're calling me a terrorist. They're trying to ruin my life. Things like this. I'm like, you actually thought you could be
Starting point is 00:53:10 involved in the insurrection to overthrow the government, interrupt a constitutionally mandated process, then just get back on the plane, fly Southwest Airlines and go back home. Oh, wait a minute. Hold on. All the white folks who accosted Senator Mitt Romney at the airport.
Starting point is 00:53:26 Delta has put all of them on their no fly list. Good. Let me also give you this. Ashanti Smith. Go to my iPad. She put this. She had a GoFundMe account. She tweeted. My name is Ashanti Smith. I'm a 28 year old African-American woman who lives in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area. I recently was assaulted, attacked, and harassed by a group of Trump supporters on Black Lives Matter Plaza in Washington, D.C. on January 5th, 2021. A video has surfaced where I was surrounded by a group of Trump extremists, and I honestly feared for my life. The video makes me look like I am the aggressor, but it does not show what happened prior to my defending myself. People shoved me, tried to take my phone and keys, yell racial epithets at me,
Starting point is 00:54:10 and tried to remove my mask. I asked them to social distance and stay out of my personal space due to COVID-19. They refused, and I was afraid of being hurt and harmed. After being assaulted, I defended myself. I am now facing criminal charges along with being relieved from my employment pending an investigation, which places me in a hardship situation at the moment. I'm asking for support and the help with funds for my legal fees and to maintain the essential things that I need to survive during this time. Any amount of help is truly appreciated.
Starting point is 00:54:42 Thank you in advance. Just so y'all understand how folks have come to her aid. She had a goal of $85,000, $199,623 was raised from 7,400 different donors. That's amazing. That's great. That's amazing. Yep. That's what social media is supposed to be for. And that can show the power of it.
Starting point is 00:55:07 But, you know, there's the other side, these terrorists that walk into what's interesting, getting back to them. You know, a lot of them are baby boomers and they, you know, they told folks like, you know, don't go. Don't take pictures of everything on yourself and don't put it on media. But then they go and commit a crime and then think that people won't see it. And they post it on social media. They post before and after and think that we won't see this. And what's really kind of interesting and funny is all these people complaining about the First Amendment. To Michael's point, they don't understand how the First Amendment works. You don't have a First Amendment right to be on Facebook. Facebook is not the government. So all these people that
Starting point is 00:55:43 talk about private sector not getting away, except for when they want to have something for themselves. And now they want to make sure the government takes over Facebook. I mean, what is it that you want here? Do you want private sector? No, you just want to have the country make the rules up for you, by you, and it applies to everybody else but not you. No, that's not how a constitution works. Most people don't understand the constitution. They say they love America, but it's about something else. Clearly, as others have said, this is about white supremacy. This is about your identity tied to white supremacy and seeing yourself in an order above black people. No,
Starting point is 00:56:19 we're in this country together. We're going to keep fighting. We are not going back, period. Let me show you this video here. Remember the white woman out of Texas who put out that she rented a private jet to fly to D.C.? The real estate woman? Yeah, her ass got arrested, too. Here's her defending herself. Listen to this. Take me as a target, but I do not feel that I did anything wrong. In fact, I felt that I did something noble, and I'm proud of being there. I have no shame to be there. I feel very persecuted, and I feel very misjudged.
Starting point is 00:56:54 I don't want them to take me as a target, but I do not feel that I did anything wrong. In fact, I feel... Come back. Come on. Come on. Y'all, guess what? Stop, Blake. I'm feeling judged. I'm feeling persecuted. No, you what? I'm feeling judged. I'm feeling persecuted. No, you're not feeling.
Starting point is 00:57:09 Well, you are. No, you're not feeling persecuted. Your ass is being. You are being. No, no, no, no. You are being. No, she's not feeling persecuted. She's being prosecuted.
Starting point is 00:57:18 Prosecuted. That's the word. That's the best one I would say. She's being prosecuted. Yeah. Because she and everybody like her. I saw on Fox News, they were saying, well, these people are confused and everybody's saying, you know, they don't understand why people lost. And then you could see another clip where they talked about liberals and black people, folks like, why are they so mad at the president? Get over it.
Starting point is 00:57:37 He won. And then they're saying at the same tone, if you see them talking about the folks that stormed the Capitol. These are good Americans. These are good people. So again, we lie to ourselves about how we see ourselves in this country. And all of this is because we don't want to deal with race. And we talked about it on this show. But what I think needs to happen, and I know, Roland, you've said this, there needs to be a truth and reconciliation commission about the truth about race in this country. And we need to make sure everybody has it. And we teach history in terms of how it actually happened. And people can learn. So like Germany, like South Africa, we can begin to move past this
Starting point is 00:58:12 instead of trying to deny white supremacy in terms of its roots in our country. These folks are just truly, go ahead, y'all. America needs a massive history lesson. I said this before. Americans are woefully ignorant of history. And when you research the
Starting point is 00:58:31 Daughters of the Confederates and how they funded curriculums in the South, textbooks, things like this, that push this whole lost cause line and this revisionist history about the Civil War. So we're dealing with the aftermath of this and also people not understanding
Starting point is 00:58:55 American government, civics being taken out of school, people being ignorant of the U.S. Constitution. There was a study I saw, there was an article from 2014, and it was a study that came out at the time. And it talked about how almost two-thirds of Americans cannot name the three branches of government. Okay? Almost two-thirds of Americans. Now, we know Senator Tommy Tuberville cannot do that. Oh, God, don't. How did he graduate?
Starting point is 00:59:21 No, hold on. No, no, forget. Dude, Tommy Tuberville don't even know what the hell a Voting Rights Act is. I fired him, by the way. I know that. Let me say, as a proud point, I was chair of the board of the University of Cincinnati. And my last year, I fired him. I'm so happy he was replaced by a coach.
Starting point is 00:59:37 That's why we're number five in the nation. He was an idiot. I'm very glad. One of the best decisions I made in firing him. So, all right, I have to say that. Tommy Tuberville absolutely is, without a doubt, one of the best decisions I made in firing him. So, all right, I have to say that. Tommy Tubberville absolutely is, without a doubt, one of the dumb— just so y'all understand how dumb this dumbass is, I mean, if you from Alabama and you voted for this fool, you stupid.
Starting point is 00:59:56 I mean, you stupid. I don't know how y'all picked this dumbass over Doug Jones. Well, even— No, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, hold on, Kelly. I am going to play this video probably once a week as long as he's in the United States Senate. That means for the next six years. This man is stupid. The Voting Rights Act was born out of the black belt in Alabama.
Starting point is 01:00:21 Y'all listen to Tommy Tuberville when he had to explain what the Voting Rights Act is. This is not a daily show parody. This is not a late night show. This is literally Tommy Tuberville in his own words discussing the Voting Rights Act? The thing about the Voting Rights Act is, you know, there's a lot of different things you can look at it as, you know, who's going to help? You know, what direction
Starting point is 01:00:56 do we need to go with it? I think it's important that with everything we do, we keep secure. We keep an eye on it. It's run that everything we do, we keep secure. We keep an eye on it. It's run by our government, and it's run to the point that we – it's got structure to it. It's like education. I mean, it's got to have structure.
Starting point is 01:01:17 Now, for some reason, we look at things to change to think we're going to make it better, but we'd better do a lot of work on it before we make that change. What the? I got nothing. I don't know. He's a senator. See, this is what I'm trying to explain to people. Look, he's going to be one of the people voting on reparations.
Starting point is 01:01:39 No, he's going to be one of the people who are voting on the John Lewis Voting Act. John Lewis Voting Act. John Lewis Voting Act. Right. The George Floyd Policing and Justice Act. We got to keep an eye on it. We got to see if the chicken crossed the road and looked to the left or to the right, we gotta see if the wool gets pulled over the head because we gotta make sure
Starting point is 01:02:10 that the cap pulled back far enough. What the hell? Y'all, this is one of the 100 United States Senators. And it's scary. Yeah, the point I'm trying to make, Roland, is that a lot of our people say we want reparations, we want reparations.
Starting point is 01:02:28 You don't understand. Reparations has to pass the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate. You're going to need 60 votes in the Senate. If a reparations bill somehow comes to the Senate floor, he's going to be one of the dumbasses voting on it if they don't object to it through unanimous consent you don't need 60 what they need to do is get rid of the filibuster by majority vote that's what they need to do that's the first thing they need to do
Starting point is 01:02:53 but you may not even have 51 because you got Joe Manchin from West Virginia hold up it don't even matter if it's repar it don't, it don't even, hold up. It don't even matter if it's reparations, y'all. This, it don't even matter if it's that. Bottom line is, what you're
Starting point is 01:03:12 dealing with on the Republican side, you are dealing with some idiots. One of the people who was one of the leaders of the insurrection was Mo Brooks of Alabama. Alabama. Okay. Paul Gosar of Arizona. Bibbs of Alabama. Alabama. Okay? Paul Gosar of Arizona. Bibbs of Arizona.
Starting point is 01:03:29 These are dumb people. Hell, I swear the second dumbest U.S. Senator is Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee. Yep. We need to go get the dumbass Louie Gohmert in the House. And then, hold up, I got to deal with dumb-ass Matt Goetz from Florida. I mean, so, on the Republican side, it's a lot of dumb-ass people.
Starting point is 01:03:52 But even still, even still, with all of the stupidity that is a part of the Republican Party as of late, tying this back into the original point of the woman who thinks that she did nothing wrong.
Starting point is 01:04:07 Ignorance does not absolve you of your actions. Nope. Using Trump as a scapegoat does not absolve you of facing the consequences of your actions. I just love how these grown people, oh my God, they didn't know what they were doing. They were just walking aimlessly. It was like, I don't know. I'm grown. I mean, what?
Starting point is 01:04:31 The door is open. Oh, I didn't see them forcibly removing barricades. No, I just thought when the guy with the flag was, like, slamming the cop on his head. He was just trying to get his attention. I mean, that's literally what these people are saying. But that's exactly my point. Willful ignorance does not absolve you of the consequences of beating a police officer upside the head with a flagpole.
Starting point is 01:05:01 Stupidity does not absolve you of the consequences of assaulting a federal officer. Stupidity does not absolve you from doing the right thing when you're on the Senate floor. So for people who voted for these people and actually recognized the stupidity, now you are no longer absolved if they do something against your interests because they're stupid. So that's why it all ties together in terms of people just need to be smart about who they vote for. People need to be smart about what they do.
Starting point is 01:05:33 People just need to be smart. No, no, no, Kelly, no, no, no, no. They are not trying to be smart. They are voting for these people for a reason. Rob, the reason they're voting for Jim Jordan in Ohio, the reason they're voting for Mo Brooks in Alabama, the reason they're voting for Louie Gohmert in Texas and Matt Goetz in Florida, they're voting for these people because they are speaking their language. That's why Steve King kept getting reelected in Iowa. He was a flat-out
Starting point is 01:06:07 white supremacist, and the white folks in Iowa only rejected him when he went a little too far with his racism. They were like, ah, we're good with your 90 yards of racism, but you kind of went to the
Starting point is 01:06:24 95th yard, so we got to let you go of racism, but you kind of went to the 95th yard. So we got to let you go. Now, had you just gone from zero to 90 yards with your bigotry, we were good. Because I remember all the stories. Well, he's been an effective congressman. And again, that's the point. That's why all these people,
Starting point is 01:06:39 they're mad and pissed off at Don Lemon because Don Lemon said the 74 million out there, you're voting along with the Klan. No, it's unfair. It's unfair to say that Trump people, you shouldn't call all the Trump people racist. Hillary Clark called them deplorables. This is very simple. If y'all can't see the racism and you want to deny the racism and you keep voting for the racist guy, guess what?
Starting point is 01:07:02 You're going along with the racist. That's what you're doing. Steve Bannon was hired by Trump. You're voting for the racist. Stephen Miller, racist. The guy who was a speechwriter, racist. I mean, we could go on and on and on. You are voting for the racist.
Starting point is 01:07:20 I'm not racist. That's not me. Yes, you are voting along with it. Yeah me. Yes, you are voting along with it. Yeah, I mean, you're totally fine with it. I mean, and they use language to spark them emotionally. This is what they do. And then they paint out anybody that is not with them as evil and never really explain why. And people go along with the propaganda, believing some of it is, a lot of it is racism. And they figure out ways to get to the deepest part of the human mind. And they trigger people and they go along with that and people follow and they follow them off the cliff.
Starting point is 01:07:51 But here's what they need to understand. The people that attack the Capitol, Donald Trump don't have your back. He don't like you. He don't even respect you. He doesn't. This is all he is doing nothing but trying to keep his power. And the only reason why you see he came out with that tape basically just condemning those people because he was trying to protect himself. Donald Trump would run over his own mother, his father, his kids to save himself. This is who he is. But people got so lost in that language, they got so lost in racism and white supremacy
Starting point is 01:08:24 that they are hurting themselves, which is what racism and white supremacy that they are hurting themselves, which is what racism and white supremacy does. This is bad for America. But the point, Michael and Kelly, Michael first, that I'm trying to get people to understand, if any of y'all watched that documentary, The Reagans on Showtime, they lay it out. Ronald Reagan was using racially explicit language in talking to white people. Ronald Reagan knew exactly what he was doing. He was using racist language. He was appealing to their racist instincts in 1960s when he ran for governor of California, and then when he ran for president. See, here's the thing that I, and this is one of the reasons why
Starting point is 01:09:09 I rarely call somebody racist on television or any other form, because what ends up happening is the conversation then devolves into, I'm not a racist. Yes, you are. I'm not a racist. Yes, you are. As opposed to what you say and do. Right. So Trump's policies, what Trump says, when you retweet white supremacist, when you retweet white folk, white insurrectionists, you are aligning with them.
Starting point is 01:09:49 But what white folks have done with this whole issue of racism, they have defined this issue to, I don't burn a cross. Yep, that's it. I don't wear a hood. I don't call you nigger. So I'm not a racist. You can't call me a racist. But when you use stuff like those people, the blacks, when you see protests where their fathers, when it's how many baby mamas do you have? When they use the racial language. That's what the issue here is, Michael. And this is why mainstream media, who should also accept their responsibility for Donald Trump. And let me be real clear. Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox Broadcasting, New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, all of them.
Starting point is 01:10:58 They kept covering Donald Trump's birtherism as if it was an actual story. But it's Donald Trump. It doesn't matter. You covered a racist who was a racial attack on the first black president of the United States and y'all covered it up. And then you kept letting him go on the apprentice and then you kept supporting him. That's the real deal here, Michael.
Starting point is 01:11:32 And so we have to call out white racism for what it is and let them know, just cause you ain't wearing a hood. Don't mean you not focusing on your whiteness so what we have here um roland is you have a lot of white people in uh who are lower uh economic categories poor white people not not just that no not, not just that. I understand not just that, trust me, I understand that. You got Ivy League, things like that. But what they're trying to do
Starting point is 01:12:13 is maintain white supremacy because they feel it's slipping away from them. This is all about the fear of the year 2043. And then they're trying to suppress African-American votes. And they see this slipping away from them. And what Trump did in 2015 and 2016 is he really tapped into that white grievance. And I take people back to the article from May 2017 from The Atlantic that talks about how it was actually the fear.
Starting point is 01:12:42 It was cultural anxiety and the fear of cultural changes in America. Not so much. It was it wasn't so much the economic issues is tied into the fear of browning of America. Economics plays a part of this. But see, the trick that's the trick that's taking place, the trick that's happening is the guy that they're putting their hopes and dreams in has made their life even worse these past four years because he's mishandled the coronavirus. No, no, it doesn't matter. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Michael, it doesn't matter. Michael, it doesn't matter. See, that's the thing. They don't care about that. What they care about is are you keeping them blacks in a place? I don't see it. So they ain't got no problem being broke as hell.
Starting point is 01:13:27 Bernie Sanders stood on the floor and said 10 of the 25 poorest counties in America are in Kentucky. And them dumbasses reelected Mitch McConnell. Exactly. So what I'm saying is because they're trying to maintain white supremacy, they're voting against their own interests and is doing them greater harm. This is what I'm talking about. But they don't. But no, no, no, no. I don't think in their minds, Kelly, but Kelly, Kelly, in their minds, Kelly, in their minds. No, they're real clear with their voting. See their whole deal. But what they're saying, I don't want to I want to pull this up, Kelly, and then want you to comment because Greg Sargent rolled out some some data a little bit earlier today of a poll.
Starting point is 01:14:10 So we'll just show you this year. Fifty one percent of new Washington Post poll. Fifty one percent say GOP leaders didn't go far enough in nullifying the election. Go to my iPad. Fifty six percent say Trump bears zero blame for the insurrection. Go to my iPad, guys. Come on. It's like it's right here. I need to pull it up. 66% says Trump has acted responsibly.
Starting point is 01:14:40 But here's the other deal. In this same poll, Kelly, a quarter of the people in this poll make more than $100,000 a year. There are 55% of white women who voted for Trump, an increase over 2016. So I just think people, I believe we have to properly frame the racism and the bigotry. And we can't let people off the hook, Kelly, which is what mainstream media does go. For sure. Going back to the, I believe it was Imhotep who mentioned that they are voting against their own interests. I would argue that their interest is white supremacy itself. Their interest is upholding whiteness. That is their interest. And it is by any means necessary tactic, meaning they don't care if they're poor.
Starting point is 01:15:32 They don't care if they have a dime to their name. They don't care that they live in a trailer park. They don't care that they don't have an education because they know so long as they have whiteness, so long as white supremacy is in play at the scale that they need it to be in play, they will be okay. They will have a semblance of power. And that's, frankly, all they want. Now, for the people who are, you know, well above the poverty line, making six figures a year or whatever, white supremacy is in their interest, too, because they invest in white supremacy is in their interest too, because they invest in white supremacy. They have gotten an incredible return of investment based off of white supremacy. So it doesn't surprise me that white people across the board don't have a problem with Trump.
Starting point is 01:16:18 If anything, I think that they now understand why their forefathers wore hoods. They now understand why their forefathers did the most insidious things in the dark of night, because they could get away with it, because other people were sleeping. But now they're trying to do it in the day. Now they're trying to be bold with it. But the times are changing. Slowly but surely, they are changing. White supremacy will not be here forever.
Starting point is 01:16:48 This world is browning. The world is browning. So they are going to fight tooth and nail to keep their power. They're going to lose, but they're going to fight for it. But again, though, the responsibility
Starting point is 01:17:04 here, though, lies in not normalizing their whiteness. And what we have to remember, Rob, and this is what I think a lot of black people keep forgetting, because you got black folks who watch TV and you thinking, well, Van Jones and Don and Abby Phillips, they on CNN and Joy Reid got a show and Tiffany Cross and Jonathan Capehart, they got a show. Y'all ain't asking who's in the executive suites. You're not asking how narratives are determined. You're not there. See are determined. You're not there. See, here's the deal.
Starting point is 01:17:48 Let me just be real clear out. You don't get an award from me for now calling Trump a liar. Zero. You don't get a gold star from Rowland for now. It's too late. For now. Right. Saying white supremacy. See, you don't get a blue ribbon from Rowland on January 15, 2021,
Starting point is 01:18:17 for you talking about, ooh, they're sitting here, they're targeting white voters. No, no, no. That's where your ass should have been in 2015. That's what it should have been in 2016 and 2017 and 2018 and 2019 and 2020. See, so now all of a sudden, people look at so-and-so. Jake Tapper has courage. Look at so-and-so.
Starting point is 01:18:41 This anchor, look what Chris Cuomo is saying now. Now, where were y'all in 2015 and 2016? Yeah, I mean, they let it go. And they, by doing so, as you said, they legitimize the racism. They legitimize the craziness. And they made a deal, too. They made a deal with the devil because Trump, this is what Trump is. He is very good at this.
Starting point is 01:19:03 He knows how to entertain. He knows how to get people and draw their attention to them. And so the news media was willing to trade that off just to get people to pay attention. So they were willing to go with these false stories and talk about it and let it go because it helped their numbers. It helped them make tons of money. And frankly, they probably are sad to see them go, kind of, because they're going to have to figure out what to talk about now when they can't just talk about Trump. But yes, they are absolutely complicit in every single way. And how they define the narratives, I mean, there was this, and Don Lemon talked about this, there was this obsession
Starting point is 01:19:39 with, we have to understand the Trump voter. We have to get to them. No, what we got to do is make sure we keep people engaged, keep them voting so we can keep this, we can keep that voter if that's what they want to do from actually getting back in power because we know what that's going to do. It's going to destroy the nation. Like we have to make sure people are more involved and we do nothing to normalize this, any of this behavior anymore. Right. And I just, I just want, I think our responsibility and I want us not to let people off the hook. Right. Because, see, in this moment of unity, unity, it's wonderful. You lose sight of what's happening in Georgia right now.
Starting point is 01:20:20 You lose sight of what the Republicans, the white guy who beat the sister for the Supreme Court justice, chief justice in North Carolina, has been firing all of the staffers. Democrats went from a 61 majority to a 43 majority in the North Carolina Supreme Court because they want him to be in power. I saw a story the other day where the Arizona governor, he is leading the Republican efforts to control state Supreme Court. See, everybody keep focusing on Washington, D.C., down the street, 6-3. No, no, Tennessee, Arkansas, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Virginia. See, more laws are actually determined there than in this U.S. Supreme Court. See, I'm trying to get our people, and I need people to understand why I keep the conversation on you don't let it go off the rails because see if we allow this conversation start getting sidetracked
Starting point is 01:21:30 and this issue in that issue no no no no no no no no no you got to stay right here and we got to keep our people right here and see while they are sitting here trying to distract well while Langford wants to distract with his apology. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You were one of 100 votes. Right. See, that's the deal. See, I think what we've done is we go with Tim Scott's black, Cory Booker's black, Kamala Harris was black.
Starting point is 01:22:03 So they're not in the U.S. Senate war knockers, now you're in the U.S. Senate. No, we are constituents. And our job in every state where we are is to go after every single one of these senators who represents us and say, we ain't going to let you appeal to whiteness. We're going to show up and show out every turn you can get where you're going to see us no matter where you go. That's
Starting point is 01:22:30 what we have to do. We have to push our issues and the state legislatures are so important because of the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and states' rights and things like this. A lot of people don't understand the power that the states have. And you're dealing with really 50 individual governments. Even though
Starting point is 01:22:51 we talk about the United States of America, you're really dealing with 50 individual governments and the power at the state level. So that's something that we really have to focus on. And then when it deals with power over policing, the states have more power over policing than the federal government does. I'm talking about, you know, the police in your state, local things like this. There's more power at the state level over policing than the federal government. Right. And that's why we're walking you through this. And one of the reasons why we need you to support Roland Martin Unfiltered is because you're not going to have this discussion on MSNBC. I got them on right now, okay? I can flip the CNN
Starting point is 01:23:32 right now. I can flip the Fox News right now. I can go to all the streaming services. They're only going to be focusing on D.C. We have to be focusing what's happening in the state level. For instance, a white man who stabbed and killed a black U.S. Army lieutenant in Maryland at a bus stop in 2017 is going to be in life of prison. On May 20, 2017, around 3 a.m., Sean Urbanski stabbed Richard Collins III as Collins stood at a bus stop on the campus of the University of Maryland, College Park. Collins was 23 and just three days away from graduating with a business degree from Boise State University. He'd also recently been commissioned through an ROTC program as a second lieutenant in the U.S. Army. Urbanski was charged with first degree murder as well as a state hate crime on Thursday. He was sentenced to life in prison. That, folks, is one of the
Starting point is 01:24:14 issues we're talking about because of white domestic terrorism. This is why, again, having our own platforms are critically important because we know how to shape the story. If y'all want to join our Bring the Funk fan club, simply go to cash app, dollar sign, RM Unfiltered. Go to paypal.me forward slash rmartinunfiltered, venmo.com forward slash rmunfiltered. You can send us via Zelle, Roland at RolandSMartin.com. You can also send us a money order to 1625 K Street Northwest, Suite 400, Washington, D.C., 2006. Folks, this is what it's all about.
Starting point is 01:24:49 If we don't control the narrative, then somebody else does. And speaking of that, got to go to a break. We come back. We'll talk with Nate Parker about his new film that dropped today called American Skin, dealing with race, hate, you name it. Man, this is a timely movie coming out. He's next on Roland Martin Unfiltered. And for me, the reason I see the value, so my parents worked elections. They volunteered for campaigns.
Starting point is 01:25:19 They ran phone banks. I remember being seven, eight, nine years old. It was like you had no choice. It's not like you had a boat. It was like, yo, go over there for the next eight hours, stand there and hand out these payments to anybody who's walking in and then we'll bring you lunch. And then you've got some water for yourself. It's kind of like, okay. Again, that wasn't likely my brother could say, nah, we're all right. We're going to stay at the house. I didn't work that way.
Starting point is 01:25:46 And so for me, that was a huge part of my upbringing. And look at you now. And it's very interesting because for me, service was a huge part of my upbringing. And that's just something that's just, you know, it's a natural thing. I don't think twice about going out and doing community service. I don't think twice about giving up my Saturday mornings, even if I stayed out late on Friday nights. I don't think twice about going out and doing community service. I don't think twice about giving up my Saturday mornings, even if I stayed out late on Friday night. I don't think twice about going to church in the mornings. I think that might be even bigger than the civics piece in schools.
Starting point is 01:26:14 I mean, I think that at this point, having that in schools at least gives the children the opportunity to go home and ask their parents, so mom, dad, what is this? What do you think we should do about this? This is what I learned in school today. Let's talk about it. At least gives the children something to bring home and start a conversation with. However, if the parents start that for the children, then, you know, then the children can go to school and say, hey, why am I not learning this here? Why don't I have a civics class? You know what I mean? And they'll have, we'll have more Roland Martins running around here. General George Washington's soldiers were freezing cold, fighting for independence against tyranny, domination and control.
Starting point is 01:26:52 It was their moment to stand up and fight for freedom. To many, January 6 House is now a full-fledged struggle for the survival of this constitutional republic. We, the people, are in control of the United States, and we will take our rights back. 74 million Americans are not going to shut up. This is about taking a stand where you can take a stand. We need to fight back. We win because of our ideas. We lose elections because they cheat us. We're going to keep fighting until every illegal vote is thrown out. They rigged the election in front of all of us and nobody did anything about it.
Starting point is 01:27:37 Call your congressman and feel free. You can lightly threaten them. If you don't start supporting election integrity, I'm coming after you. Madison Cawthorne's coming after you. Everybody's coming after you. We're not timid folk. We're people who understand when there's a challenge in front of us, we rise to the challenge. We fight, finish, keep.
Starting point is 01:27:54 It is time to stand and fight. Folks, when you look at what's happening right now in our climate, issue of race and police shootings, a lot of people are simply fed up. Well, Nate Parker's dropped his new movie. It's called American Skin. It follows up, of course, from The Birth of a Nation, one of the most unbelievable movies I have ever seen. This movie getting lots of attention. Check out this trailer. You remember me? How you doing tonight? Doing well, officer.
Starting point is 01:28:36 Can I see your driver's license, registration, and insurance, please? Of course, sir. My license is right here, my wallet. That's all right, son. You remember the night in July? Hands up! Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!'s all right, son. You remember the night in July. Hands up! Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey! Wait, wait, wait!
Starting point is 01:28:48 Put the phone down! Put that phone down! It's a phone! It's a cell phone. It's just a cell phone. You knew he was unarmed. Get into the car and put your hands in the air! Officer, please!
Starting point is 01:28:58 He's just a kid! You pointed your gun at him. OK, get out of the car, son. Easy. You pulled the trigger. Put that phone away. Put the phone away. The grand jury determined that no probable cause exists to file any charges against Officer Randall. This is my son. This is my little boy.
Starting point is 01:29:25 You took that from me.. You took that from me. The world took that from me. Today we make that right. Hear me when I say this, because I'm only gonna say it once. Don't stop filming. If you just give up now. Why are we the only people in this country that are expected to do things without violence?
Starting point is 01:29:54 I didn't mean to kill your son. Do what you did. I did what I was trying to do. I just want justice. That's all I want. This is your jury. The deciders of your fate. Today, you will be tried for the murder of my son.
Starting point is 01:30:16 You scared? Are you afraid? Afraid. Nate Parker, welcome back to Roller Martin Unfiltered. Good to see you, brother. It is always good to be here with you. Man, you sent me this a year ago to check out. It's now, it's out, it dropped today. It is getting lots of attention.
Starting point is 01:30:56 And what what what was the motivator for you to say, I got to tell the story this way? Well, you know, it's interesting for me, my way in. I got custody of my nephew who was was 13 at the time, and brought him from the neighborhood that I grew up in, in Portsmouth, Virginia, and brought him here to California, put him in a very good school. And he would ride his bike to school. And then Michael Brown got killed and murdered. And I'm watching the news with my nephew, who is beautiful, dark skinned, six foot, 13 and a half year old. And he turns to me and says, Uncle Nate, what do I do if when I'm riding my bike, I get who was beautiful, dark-skinned, 6'13 1⁄2-year-old. And he turns to me and says, Uncle Nate, what do I do when I'm riding my bike?
Starting point is 01:31:30 I get pulled over by the police. And, you know, the immediate reaction was like, well, you know, it's me. Call me. I'll be there wherever you are. And then I said, well, don't pick up your phone. Don't grab for your phone. Just slow down. You know, put your feet down very slowly.
Starting point is 01:31:45 Put your hands up when you can, make eye contact so we can see your face, see you're not a threat, you know, so we can see your humanity. I'm talking to him about how to conduct himself, and he's looking at me with his eyes bulging. And I realized very quickly that I'm traumatizing him, that me and all of my attempts to push us forward and be involved with activism, I don't have an appropriate or sufficient answer for my nephew, who is now at a great school, to protect his life. You know, it was as if I took him from out of the frying pan into the fire. And I felt to myself, I said, I got to get an answer for him, you know.
Starting point is 01:32:21 And so went to Ferguson, went to, you know, when Aaron Garner got killed, went to New York looking for an answer for my nephew and realized the dysfunction when it came to addressing police violence in our country and decided to attack it with my art. And that was when I started the kernel of that idea of how do I force this conversation between these two groups of people? Of course, those who are being murdered and those who are the murderers in the system that perpetuates that behavior. And out of that need for an answer for him, I wrote this script and then shot the film. The thing that jumps out, that line that you just said in the trailer, all I want is justice.
Starting point is 01:33:07 And that's the one thing we constantly hear in this scene where the DA announces no charges. And it's case after case. It is very rare where, first of all, it's rare for an officer to get charged. Even rare for them to be found guilty. And becoming more and more rare every day.
Starting point is 01:33:23 When people talk about progress, I mean, the reality is when you look back, you look at Rodney King and how he was beaten into with an inch of his life, those officers were charged. There was a trial. Now we know how they handled that trial and all the things that they did
Starting point is 01:33:41 to ensure those officers would not face any type of prison time. But then you fast forward, brothers and sisters are dying, and they're literally just saying, well, so what? It's the biggest middle finger to the humanity of black people in this country because there's no reasoning. There's no dialogue. They show a picture of a of a cop throwing a barbecue for some black kids and they show a picture of a cop hugging a black kid on Instagram. And all of a sudden we forget. But I guarantee that Michael Brown's father right now, wherever he is, he's mourning his son, you know, Tamir Rice's mother right now, wherever she is, she's mourning her
Starting point is 01:34:25 son. And the list goes on and on and on. So the question is, you know, where's the backstop? At what point do we do something differently? In this movie, he's taking out justice, a vigilante. And you will have people who will say, man, I wish I could do that. And you clearly are not trying to say, do this. But through the art, you're really speaking to just the anger and the frustration of nothing being done to actually fix the problem. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. You know, how many mothers and fathers that have seen these videos of these black children being decimated in the streets said to themselves, I hope that doesn't happen to me.
Starting point is 01:35:20 And really not really having a response if it did. You know, this film isn't instructing anyone to do anything. And it's not in its offers as you saw, more questions than answers, really questions of what are we willing to do to change the narrative? I don't wanna be in that situation with my nephew. And this film in some ways is just a cautionary tale.
Starting point is 01:35:43 It's saying, let's force this conversation now and have it within the context of art so we don't have to see this happen. You know, with or without this film, if this continues on, we will see much worse because we love our children desperately. I know I'm willing to die for mine. So this film was for me to create a full stop. We talk about the conversation between law enforcement and the citizens that they terrorize, but we never talk about, we never have the real conversation. We talk about the conversation. And I think that the thing that the systemic, the way that the infrastructure around law enforcement,
Starting point is 01:36:18 how policing is not only enacted, but how these, the curtain between these peace officers and us, it is so strong that you'll never you can just walk up to a cop and say, hey, can we have a conversation about the things that are happening in America? So this character, Lincoln Jefferson, he has no choice but to force that conversation. And we are able to have a private moment in public and public meeting for the audience to see. Questions from my panel. I'll first start with Michael Inhotep. Sure. Michael? Jeremy?
Starting point is 01:36:53 Okay. Hey, how you doing, Nate? It's good to have you on. Thanks, brother. Great to be here. Thank you. Thank you. Question for you. Did you see similarities between the Nat Turner movie that you did, Birth of a Nation, and the portrayal of Nat Turner in Nat Turner's fight for justice? Did you see similarities between that and the character that you portray in this movie? And by the way, I did get your book, the birth of a nation nat turner and the making of movement that's the official tie-in to the movie as well as an excellent book also thank you thank you well to be honest i think that there are uh similarities not only between you know the birth
Starting point is 01:37:36 of a nation in this film but also uh malcolm x and in harriet uh and in the film that was done um tucson you know i i think any any narrative that addresses the question of how will we move forward in a way that protects our bodies uh what we should and should not tolerate these are themes that i believe we need to as artists um bring to the forefront of consciousness more often than not. If not, we will find ourselves in these situations all the same. So for me, it's never a question of what can I do to make a film that's like another. For me, it's like, okay, how can I contribute to the conversation?
Starting point is 01:38:22 The reality is brothers like Roland are doing the work every day in the trenches. I'm just an artist. This is not, you know, the answer. I'm no savior. This film is no savior. I'm just trying to contribute to the conversations that are happening every day on the ground. You know, the conversation is being driven by Black Lives Matter, being driven by Color of Change and some of the extraordinary organizations doing the work. I just think that we should do, as Nina Simone says,
Starting point is 01:38:45 as artists, we have to reflect the times. You know, it offers an intersection without us actually having to deal with this actual situation in real life. Thank you. Question from Kelly Bethea. Hi, Nate. It's a pleasure to meet you virtually.
Starting point is 01:39:03 Hello? Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. He got you. OK. No, I'm sorry. I'm very excited for this movie, first and foremost. You always hear, when you're talking about creative
Starting point is 01:39:15 processes, about art imitating life. In this case, this is more or less art depicting life. And coming from your movie, Birth of a Nation, your creative process, I can imagine, was a little bit different because there was
Starting point is 01:39:33 a historical reference to it. There was a historical distance from the current day to the day of Birth of a Nation. But this movie is talking about now this is literally art depicting life so my my question for you is as a black man what is your and an artist specifically as a as a black man artist what is your creative process to go from black man to black man? I think my process, it's rooted in my experience in the same way that I wake up and wonder what I'm going to intersect in life that may
Starting point is 01:40:20 challenge me or put me in a position where I either have to cower or have to stand and fight and what that means for my family. The reality is is that so many of us black men, black women wake up and have that thought subconsciously every single day. So I always say my art is a reflection of my activism. When I look at my children and I look at the legacy that we're in the process of leaving them, I often feel embarrassed and hopeless, you know. So, you know, I don't think there's a magic bullet,
Starting point is 01:40:58 but I do believe this. The day that I lay down minutes from my last moment when I'm about to leave this world, and hopefully I'll be surrounded by people that, you know, generations of people that I love, that love me. I just want to feel like I've done my part. When you look at the work of, you know, Dr. King, as we are approaching his day, he did everything he did for the world before he was my age. He did it all and died before he was my age. So when you talk about going from black man to black man as an artist, really, I'm going generation to generation or legacy moment to legacy moment. I just want to look back and have something that I can look at my kids and say, I did this for you. Matt Turner's story exists for you. This story addressing police brutality
Starting point is 01:41:54 and the controlling of our bodies and the destruction of our bodies, intimidation of our bodies is addressed in this film. And whatever I do moving forward, I just want to feel like I've contributed to the lexicon of our liberation. And I think that goes for many Black men. I know I don't speak for Brother Roland, but being someone that's been on this show many times, knowing how desperately he wants our freedom, knowing how much he loves us. I would go so far to say that that is his agenda as well. Absolutely. Rod Richardson. Yeah, Nate, first of all, thank you for your work. Thank you for expressing your work in a way that
Starting point is 01:42:39 relates to so many and changing the narrative. And as we talk about changing the narrative, I'd like to ask my question along those lines. It seems like you're, and you said this earlier, you're aimed at two different audiences, essentially. Black people who are being victimized by this process and those who are actually perpetrating the crime against us and violating our bodies. What narratives do you want to change with both of those audiences? If you had to just sum it up for each one of those audiences, what is the narrative you want to get through to change to each one of those audiences with this piece? Well, for Black people, it's just relentless action. I think we must continue, because I
Starting point is 01:43:21 think we're doing it, to recognize until all of us are free, none of us are free. And I think that if we can adopt that and lock arms in that and create solidarity in that and turn away from any type of divisive or pacifying tactics, we will continue to march forward and toward toward freedom. You know, we we don't know what it looks like because we've never had it in this country. And for those who are decimating our bodies, you know, I had the I wouldn't say pleasure, maybe the pleasure for the with respect to the information I gathered. But I interviewed dozens of police officers, black and white and Hispanic, and nearly every one of them asked to be, you know, to comment on the condition of anonymity. And I found that interesting because if we are to believe that the money that we're paying, our tax dollars are going to the salaries of these peace officers and, you know, also going to getting them let off with respect to its place in the judicial system. It's a question of, well, shouldn't you stand by what you do on a day-to-day basis with respect to your job? And it's not the case. I talked to officers that said,
Starting point is 01:44:41 anyone that tells you that they don't racially profile, they're just not telling you the truth. A lot of the dialogue that you hear in the film is dialogue taken directly from my interviews and my research from law officers that say, look, this is how it is. And my challenge to law officers, to us and anyone that watches this film, is to ask ourselves, are we satisfied with firing one officer that kills one person and that being the end all to that pain, that being the healing process? Or are we willing to commit to destroying or reconstructing the very system that creates that widget, right? Because I'm a big believer in programming, and I believe that these officers are doing what they're programmed to do, a lot of them. And unless we attack it
Starting point is 01:45:41 on a systemic level, we can expect this film to be relevant 10 years from now. People talk about how relevant the film is. It's like, yeah, but I made this film in the beginning of 2019, before George Floyd, before the insurrection. You know, 10 years. So if 10 years ago this film would have come out, would it have been relevant? Absolutely. And if we're not careful, 10 years from now, if I would have held it and put it out, it would have been just as timely. And we've still been having the same conversation.
Starting point is 01:46:11 Nate, people are asking, where can they see the film? Is it streaming or is it in movie theaters? Where can they see it? Oh, well, we're in movie theaters in 31 cities, limited, obviously, with COVID. We want to be safe. So in states that aren't open, we're not there. We're doing drive-ins. You can go to my Instagram or into americanskinfilm.com, and it'll tell you the theaters it's playing. It's also streaming anywhere where you can rent and buy movies. So iTunes, Amazon, it's everywhere.
Starting point is 01:46:39 So if you just go into your browser and type in Watch American Skin, or go to your Apple TV or Google Play, it's tonight at midnight just this morning it became live. So you can watch it anywhere. And I encourage you two things. One, watch it in the dark and as big a screen as you can with people that you care about. Because when you're done and you turn on those lights you're going to have a conversation and i would encourage anyone that listens that watches the film to engage in that conversation and try to come out of it with action items whether they're policy driven whether they're heart and soul driven uh whatever side that you on um i hope that that's something that starts a conversation that that touches your heart and mind uh well i've got an
Starting point is 01:47:22 82 inch so i'm going to watch it on that one. So that will really watch it big. That's the movie theater right there. And it is good to see you back in the trenches doing the great work. My last question for you, how did Spike Lee get involved in this? It's a great question. Spike Lee is my brother, my mentor, my friend, at times my patriarch. I call him for advice. And when I told him I was making this film, my mentor, my friend, at times my patriarch. I call him for advice. And when I told him I was making this film, he said, well, the second it's done, make
Starting point is 01:47:50 sure I get to see it. So I finished it, flew it to New York. He was the first person to see it, him and my other friend, Steven Soderbergh. And we sat in this theater. I rented the theater out, smaller thing. And we watched it. And it just so happened to be the day where the officers did not go charge. They got off with Eric Garner killing, murder. And the emotion in the room when we
Starting point is 01:48:13 watched it, I just remember him standing up and pacing. And you know, Spike, if you know how he is when he gets past, he just was lamenting about where we are and how this is our reality and how he made, you know, do the right thing. And had Radio Raheem, a brother who got choked to death, was based on someone he knew in New York. And here, 30 years later, where Eric Garner's killers get off on that day that he watches a film that is about more police brutality. And he said, brother, anything I can do to support you and stand with you and moving this film forward and getting it to the masses, I'm with you. And I and I and I honor him for that. He stood next to me and we've taken this film to Italy and it did very well. Italy did very well in Spain. And these are people that don't speak the language. So I just hope that people continue to see it and have the dialogue, the hard dialogue that creates the type of healing that we need.
Starting point is 01:49:05 Folks, the movie's called American Skin, starring Nate Parker and Amari Hartwick. Nate, we appreciate it, brother. Thanks a lot. Thank you, brother. Anytime. Yes, sir. Thanks a bunch. All right.
Starting point is 01:49:14 Thank you so very much, Rob, Michael, as well as Kelly. That is it, y'all. I got to go. Why? Because at 8.30, I want y'all to join me. I'm going to be watching One night, one night in Miami. That is the new movie by Regina King that is going to be on tonight on Amazon Prime Video. I'm going to be live streaming it as well. Looking forward to that.
Starting point is 01:49:37 After that, she's going to be on Twitter taking questions. It talks about the night that Muhammad Ali won. It's based upon, it's fictitious, but it actually was real. Where Muhammad Ali, James Brown, Sam Cooke, and why am I leaving somebody? Somebody give me the other name. Muhammad Ali, James Brown, Jim Brown, Sam Cooke, and there was one more. There were four of them who, of course, Malcolm X were in Miami that night. He won. So that's going to be an amazing thing to watch.
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