#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Roland Talks to a Black Trump Supporter, Voting Rights Act Under Attack, AL Riverboat Captain Speaks

Episode Date: November 21, 2023

11.20.2023 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Roland Talks to a Black Trump Supporter, Voting Rights Act Under Attack, AL Riverboat Captain Speaks He says Donald Trump has done more for black people than any ot...her president. Mark Fisher is in the studio to explain why he's endorsing Trump in 2024.  The 8th US Circuit Court of Appeals says private entities cannot bring lawsuits under a provision of the law, known as Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. Kareem Crayton, from the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU Law School, and Damon Hewitt, the President and Executive Director of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, will help us break down the real implications of this ruling.  The Black Alabama riverboat co-captain who was attacked is facing assault charges. He's on the show tonight to tell his side of what happened on  August 5. An HBCU will be the site of a 2024 presidential debate.  And it's Diabetes Awareness Month. In our Fit, Live, Win segment, I'll talk to a young woman who "beat" diabetes. Download the #BlackStarNetwork app on iOS, AppleTV, Android, Android TV, Roku, FireTV, SamsungTV and XBox  http://www.blackstarnetwork.com The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart Podcast. you there? No, it can happen. One in four hot car deaths happen when a kid gets into an unlocked car and can't get out. Never happens. Before you leave the car, always stop, look, lock. Brought to you by NHTSA and the Ad Council. I know a lot of cops. They get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. Listen to Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton English.
Starting point is 00:01:05 I'm Greg Glott. And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year, a lot of the biggest names in music and sports. This kind of starts that a little bit, man. We met them at their homes. We met them at their recording studios.
Starting point is 00:01:22 Stories matter, and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Folks, today is Monday, November 20th, 2023. Coming up, Roland Martin on a filter streaming live on the Black Star Network. A huge decision by the Eighth Circuit, a conservative circuit,
Starting point is 00:02:13 saying that Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act, they actually rule that individuals and organizations cannot sue, using Section 2, only the Department of Justice, which kind of makes no sense because that's actually what the 15th Amendment is all about. We'll talk with the head of the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights under law about that. Also, we'll talk with the Brennan Center. This could be the case that Clarence Thomas has been waiting for to completely get rid of the Voting Rights Act. So we'll talk about that impact on
Starting point is 00:02:46 African-Americans because it was Section 2 that was used to make sure we got those new black congressional districts in Louisiana as well as Alabama. Also on today's show, the black Alabama riverboat co-captain who was attacked, he is facing assault charges. He will join us right here on the show to talk about that. Also, an HBCU, Virginia State, is going to be the site of a 2024 presidential debate. Well, that's if Donald Trump actually agrees to any of those debates, if he is the nominee. So we'll talk about that. Also, Diabetes Awareness Month, we'll talk about that in our Fit, Live, Win segment.
Starting point is 00:03:26 And also, a former Black Lives Matter local chapter leader says Donald Trump is the best choice for 2024. And he's done a lot for black people. Really? We'll discuss. It's time to bring the funk on Roller Mark Unfiltered on Black Stud Network. Let's go whatever it is he's got the scoop the fact the fine and when it breaks he's right on time and it's rolling best belief he's knowing putting it down from sports to news to politics with entertainment just for kicks He's rollin' Yeah, yeah It's Uncle Roro, y'all
Starting point is 00:04:07 Yeah, yeah It's Rollin' Martin Yeah, yeah Rollin' with Rollin' now Yeah, yeah He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best You know he's Rollin' Martin Now She's real the best, you know he's rolling, Martel.
Starting point is 00:04:33 Martel. Folks, we're one year away from the 2024 presidential election. Donald Trump's leader of polls on the Republican side. President Joe Biden, of course, on the Democratic side. It's likely to be a rematch from 2020 when Biden beat Trump. A co-founder of a Black Lives Matter chapter in Rhode Island says that Donald Trump has done more for black folks than any other president. And actually, he is the choice. Mark Fisher is that individual. Mark joins us right now on the show.
Starting point is 00:05:05 Mark, glad to have you here. So first and foremost, when you made an assessment about this campaign, and you basically said nobody is good. That's right. Okay. Explain. Well, I mean, it's self-explanatory. Everybody else sucks, I said, to quote myself.
Starting point is 00:05:24 And, you know, when you look at who weatory. Everybody else sucks, I said, to quote myself. And, you know, when you look at who we have sitting in the White House right now, I said he's a deep disappointment. He's let me down. He's let my community down. The whole Democratic Party is a complete disappointment. And I think that as an independent, I will endorse Donald Trump as the best candidate that we have. Why is he the best? Well, because he's somebody who I would consider a strong man.
Starting point is 00:05:56 I consider him somebody who would give us respect on the world stage. Did you say we don't have respect on the world stage? I feel like it's waning. I feel like it's what I feel like it's when when we have somebody like Joe Biden as the head of state representing us globally. I don't think it's the same as if it's Donald Trump representing us. President Joe Biden was able to pull back the NATO coalition, which Donald Trump actually splintered during his four years that played a role in terms of what we see happening in with Ukraine and Russia. We have also seen, again, European leaders talk about his leadership.
Starting point is 00:06:29 So explain that, because obviously international leaders except for the dictators, they had a totally different view of the foreign policy of the United States under Trump and Biden. Well, fundamentally, they both come from a different perspective. When you look at somebody like Donald Trump, he's America first, make America great again. Joe Biden is a globalist from a globalist camp. How does Trump make America make it great again? When if you look at Donald Trump,
Starting point is 00:07:00 even before he got in, he's been doing business all across the country, doing Saudi Arabia, doing China, and all of his deals since he got out of the White House. So how is he at Make America First when that's not how he's operated in his business all of these years? Okay, well, when you look at the persecution that he's facing, 91 felonies, 91. So what, you're saying he should have been indicted? That's not what I said. I said, I- You call it persecution, a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal.
Starting point is 00:07:27 I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal.
Starting point is 00:07:35 I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal.
Starting point is 00:07:43 I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. I'm a criminal. The judge in New York has already ruled against them that they actually were inflating the value of their property. Now the trial is going on. No, but you said he's being persecuted. How is he being persecuted? Is he being persecuted in Georgia where three of his attorneys, they actually have already pled guilty in that particular case for their role in the 2020 presidential election in Georgia? Yes, they did. They pled guilty.
Starting point is 00:08:06 Right. So how's he being persecuted, though? Because they're trying to use them to get him. No, no, no. How is he being persecuted? Did he not, based upon, according to District Attorney Fannie Willis, that Donald Trump tried to get officials in Georgia to, frankly, change the results of the election.
Starting point is 00:08:27 Look, I could get you to jump off a bridge or to try to jump off a bridge. And if you jump off a bridge, am I responsible? OK, you do know he's on tape calling the secretary of state saying, find me 11000 votes. He tried to pressure the governor, the secretary of state, the head of the elections. So that's just one particular case as well. votes. He tried to pressure the governor, the secretary of state, the head of the elections. So that's just one particular case as well. In the documents case, they asked him to return the documents. He refused to do so. He lied to his own attorneys about that. He told one of his employees who is now flipped, do not, do not move those documents. So I'm trying to understand, you call it, say he's being persecuted. If an individual committed acts, that's on documents. So I'm trying to understand. You say he's being persecuted. If an individual committed
Starting point is 00:09:06 acts, that's on them. So how is he being persecuted? Because they're trying to use them to get him. No, no, no. Not them. I'm asking you again. If the federal government, if they say these are classified documents, you are to return them, he says no.
Starting point is 00:09:22 And they say, we have a subpoena. He ignores the subpoena. When he tells his attorneys, his attorneys took actual notes. Okay, well, hold on, hold on. No, no, no, no. You said it's being persecuted. Wait a minute. That's just two cases. 91 felonies. You can't even keep up with all the felonies. You can't even
Starting point is 00:09:37 track all the cases across the country. And the charges that he's facing. You have to take them one at a time. There's so many. They're coming fast and furious. Actually, we can track them. But again, though, if an individual believes that he's facing. You have to take them one at a time, and there's so many. They're coming fast and furious. Actually, we can track them. But again, though, if an individual believes that he is above the law and he's not, if he committed crimes, then he should be prosecuted, yes or no? Nobody's above the law.
Starting point is 00:09:59 That's not the question. The question is, did he commit crimes? Well, first of all, that's why they're trials. That's the question. Well, first of all, that's why they're trying. Right. Exactly. So when you talk about somebody who's acting on their constitutional right, what constitutional right? Freedom of speech. Is there a constitutional right to overthrow an election? He believes, as many do, that there was some suspect activity.
Starting point is 00:10:22 How many? How many? How many involved in the 2020 election. How many lawsuits did his campaign file, and how many did they win? I'm asking you a question. I don't know. I can give the answer. More than 60 lawsuits were filed. They lost them. Courts, Trump judges, Republican governors, Republican secretary of state
Starting point is 00:10:46 certified the election results. Now here's the question I'm confused. If there was election irregularities in Georgia, how did the Republican governor win? The Republican lieutenant governor, Republican secretary of state, how did Republicans win all statewide offices in Georgia in 2020, but this one race, there were problems? I'm going to tell you. How? Because they're all part of the same deep state. Dude, I'm confused.
Starting point is 00:11:15 I'm confused. Brian Kemp, the governor of Georgia, endorsed Trump, correct or not? They're all part. I'm asking you a question. Did the Republican governor, Brian Kemp, endorse Trump? I don't know. Yes, he did. Did the Republican lieutenant governor endorse Trump? I don't know. Did the Republican secretary of state endorse Trump? Yes. So so again, I'm confused here. All of these Republicans endorsed Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Yet all these Republicans won. He didn't. he's saying, oh, it's fraud. So, like I said, when you look at the government, both parties. Hold on, no, no, no, no. Say it again. Democrat and Republican. You mentioned persecution. And there are four cases. Especially the Democratic Party.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Hold on, you mentioned 91 indictments. It's a smorgasbord of BS. Mark, you still, hold on, hold on. You say let's take it case by case. You mentioned 91 indictments. It's a smorgasbord of BS. Mark, Mark, Mark. You still, but hold up, hold up. You say let's take a case by case. Suspect behavior and activity. I'm taking a case by case. Of course the board. Both parties. No, no, no. I'm taking it. And he's anti-institution. Mark, Mark, Mark. You say. That's the problem that people have with him. Mark, you say. That's the problem
Starting point is 00:12:18 James has with him. That's the problem Bragg has with him. That's the problem Smith has with him. And that's the problem Willis has with him. That's the problem Smith has with him. And that's the problem Willis has with him. That he is anti-everything they love. No, he's not. Institution. No, he's not. They're very comfortable, right? And rightfully so. I'm not here to bash them or hate on them. God bless them. I love them. But what you're doing is making stuff up. So again, though, you say it out of your mouth. He was being persecuted.
Starting point is 00:12:48 You mentioned the 91 indictments. You mentioned the four different cases. I walk you through two of those. The judge has already ruled that Donald Trump and Trump organization absolutely inflated their assets, which is against the law. Donald Trump's own accountants testified that that they actually inflate infl inflated He even inflated the size of his own penthouse. I just don't understand how people can't think for themselves You got all these zombies walking around telling me all these people that can't think for themselves Doing whatever is in their best interest for their own expedience and their careers But every time it happens it comes comes back to Donald Trump. Donald Trump. Throw him in prison. Take all his assets. Throw him under the bus. Take him off the ballots.
Starting point is 00:13:30 Like, you don't think people can see this? So you don't... What you're saying is... What you're saying is... There's a sign above the Supreme Court. It says, equal justice under law. What you're saying is, you don't mind a liar. What you're saying is you don't mind a liar.
Starting point is 00:13:45 What you're saying is you don't mind somebody make it. What did he lie about? Donald Trump lied about the value of his assets. Donald Trump has lied about not trying to overturn. Can I say something? On that point, I just want to because you said he lied about the value of his assets. You're saying that he lied. His people are lying for him all the time. So what I'm saying is, if he's asking for... I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes.
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Starting point is 00:16:47 no, it can happen. One in four hot car deaths happen when a kid gets into an unlocked car and can't get out. Never happens. Before you leave the car, always stop, look, lock. Brought to you by NHTSA and the Ad Council. 11,000 votes. If they're doing that, if he's asking people to make his property
Starting point is 00:17:06 as lucrative and as attractive as possible, and these people are doing it, right? They're doing it. Whether they're doing it or not, that is their own personal business and choice
Starting point is 00:17:17 to do that. If he says, I'm looking for 11,000 votes, I know people who have reached out to me, black people, who tell me that there has been all kind of fishy business going on. Double voting, triple, quadruple, quintuple voting.
Starting point is 00:17:33 I can tell you. People are reaching out to me, telling me they keep calling him Bill, William, Willis, so on and so on. And the Democratic elected. So you say, oh, you say, oh, my God, I see double voting. That's what people are telling me. But the Republicans in Georgia. So I'm just saying. Mark, wait a minute, Mark.
Starting point is 00:17:53 There's reason. I'm going to finish, Mark. There's reasonable doubt. No, it's not. No, it's not. That's all I'm saying. When you have. And you can't blame him for that.
Starting point is 00:18:00 That's protected under a first amendment right. Are you literally making this up as you go along? So we don't have protected rights. You do know. You do know. We don't have the right to freedom of speech. You do know. We don't have the right to access the courts.
Starting point is 00:18:14 We don't have the right to keep ourselves quiet. You cannot seize ballots. We don't have the right to not be seized and surrogate, to not be violent. We have rights in this country. And that's one ofate. To not be violent. We have rights in this country. And that's one of them. To speak our mind. Assembly. We have these rights.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Speak in your mind and lying. Aren't you a pastor? I have a background in theology. Okay, you got a what theology? A background in theology. A background in theology. I've never been a pastor. I preached.
Starting point is 00:18:43 I taught Bible study. Okay, fine. so does the Bible The Bible that you actually read What does it say about lying? It says all liars will find their place In the pit of hell Fornicators, homosexuals, liars And
Starting point is 00:18:57 All ungodly form Well that must mean Donald Trump is sitting on the throne In hell because that man Has just lied about numerous things. Well, listen. But hold up. I'm going to ask you this question. You said that Trump has done more for the black community than any president.
Starting point is 00:19:12 What has he done? He's done a lot. Name it. Actually. Name it. And I'm surprised that most people don't really know. No, I'm asking you to name it. Okay.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Name it. I'm going to. For starters, because this is important as an educated man, $250 million annually has been allocated to HBCUs, which is big. I went to Hampton. No, it's not a lie.
Starting point is 00:19:38 No, it's not a lie. I'm sorry. And minority-serving schools. But it's all together. It's for people of color. Let me ask you a question, Mark. 90 million of it went to black schools. Mark.
Starting point is 00:19:50 And not only that. Mark, let me ask you a question. It was about to be expired. He took the initiative. You're wrong. To not let it expire. You're wrong. And not only that. Mark, you're wrong.
Starting point is 00:19:58 Give it a 10 year stay where it was being done every year. He said, why do we have to keep coming back every year to get money? Mark, what you just said right now is a lie. What am I wrong? Let me prove you. Prove me wrong. The program that you're talking about started under President George W. Bush. The president and CEO of the United Negro Fund thanked him publicly.
Starting point is 00:20:18 Will you please listen? See, again, no. See, when you're operating in an alternative world, I'm giving you for real facts. Let me say it again. He did not thank him publicly. Mark, listen. The United Negro Fund president and CEO, Mr. Lomax, did not thank him publicly. The program you're speaking of started under President George W. Bush.
Starting point is 00:20:34 It continued under President Barack Obama. It expired. What you do not know is that Donald Trump zeroed that program out of his budget. It was Congressman Almond Adams of North Carolina who put it back in the budget. She was the co-chair of the Congressional HBCU Caucus. Then it went to the United States Senate. Donald Trump, let me tell you again, Mark. Signed off on it. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:21:01 He did not sign off on it. Again, Donald Trump's budget, which he submitted to Congress, removed the money. Congress put it back in, led by Alma Adams. Now, do you know who broke that thing down? A gentleman named Walter Kimbrough. Do you know who Walter Kimbrough is? Two-time HBCU president who detailed it, who was actually in that meeting in the local office when Trump was there. So what you are sitting on, you're saying, oh, 250 million. Let me ask you this question. How much money have HBCUs gotten in the last three years from the Biden-Harris administration? I don't know, but I never paid
Starting point is 00:21:34 $10 for eggs or $5 for gas. What school did you say you went to? I never paid $10 for eggs or $5 for gas. No, no, no, no, Mark, Mark, don't try to change the subject. No, no, no, I'm just telling you, you're talking about the economy. Under Trump, it was booming. Mark, I'm Mark, don't try to change the subject. No, no, no, I'm just telling you. You're talking about the economy. What school did you go to? Under Trump, it was booming. Mark, I'm asking you again. And black unemployment was at a historic all-time low. You went to HBCU. You want to talk about numbers? Mark, we're going to stay on HBCUs.
Starting point is 00:21:53 What school you went to again? I went to Hampton for a year. Oh, you went to Hampton for a year. And then I went to North Point Bible College in Haverhill, Mass. So let me ask you this question, Mark. You said Trump allocated $250 million to black and Hispanic serving institutions. You're reading it. No, no, no, no. I don't have to read because I got it up here.
Starting point is 00:22:12 You say about $90 million of that went to HBCUs, right? That's what you say, correct? That is the recognized information. Mark, are you aware in the last three years under Biden-Harris, 6.5 billion has gone to HBCUs. Not his federal institutions, HBCUs, 6.5 billion. So you held up 90 million under Trump and 6.5 billion under Biden-Harris. But you say Trump is better for HBCUs? You're telling me. Do you need the proof?
Starting point is 00:22:44 You're telling me Joe Biden. Do you want the proof? You're telling me Joe Biden... Do you want the proof? ...gave $6.5 billion... I'm sorry, do you want the proof? Yeah, I'd love to see that. Okay, here's the deal. To HBCU. Oh, no, yes.
Starting point is 00:22:54 No, no, no, no, no, no. He can't even put together a reparations commission. As a matter of fact... Why would he do that? As a matter of fact... He's such a flip-flopper. Hold up, wait, wait, wait. He's such a vacillator.
Starting point is 00:23:03 Oh, here we go. You went to Hampton, right? He's such a liar. You went to Hampton, right? He's such a liar. You went to Hampton, right? He's such a duplicitous. Did you go to Hampton? That's why he picked the vice president he picked. Did you go to Hampton? He could have picked anybody else. Did you go to Hampton? Because they're both just as duplicitous. Did you go to Hampton? You said you went to Hampton, right? Two peas in a pod. You went to Hampton, right? She's Indian after the HBCU tours.
Starting point is 00:23:29 You went to Hampton, didn't you? But during the tours, she's all Wakanda forever. See, Mark, see what you're doing. What am I doing? See, this is why you love Trump. Because you're doing the same nonsense he's doing. You bring up something, then you switch topics. You told me you was going to show me.
Starting point is 00:23:41 I said I'd love to see it. Mark, I'm walking you through it. I'm waiting, bro. I told you point blank. Hampton University. I'm going to tell you how much Hampton actually got. Hampton University, $48.7 billion under Cap 1. $4.2 under CARES Act. $9.8 under CARES Act.
Starting point is 00:23:57 Wait, wait, wait. $6 billion under CARES Act. When did this happen? $12 million. No, hold on. American Rescue Plan, $12 million. Last three years. And to what extent. American Rescue Plan, 12 million. Last three years. And to what extent?
Starting point is 00:24:06 American Rescue Plan 221. Your university. You're reading numbers. Wait, wait. What is that? What source is that? Department of Education. Okay.
Starting point is 00:24:14 And when did this happen? The last three years. The last three years. Each year? Each year. Okay. The total amount that your university. Okay, but you're telling me that still doesn't equate to 10 years worth of $95 million.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Mark, that's a lie. How is that? Your own university, Hampton, received $112 million alone. The total amount that went to HBCUs is $6 billion. $567 million. You're saying Hampton got how much? $112 million. Over how long? In the last three years. And I named them. Let me name them again.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Let me name them again. Hold up. Cap One Forgiveness. Hold up. No, I want you to listen. I want you to listen because see right now you ain't listening. Cap One Forgiveness. CARES Act. CARES Act 2. Then you have American Rescue Plan. American Rescue Plan 2.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Your own university got more by itself than Donald Trump signing the bill for all HBCUs. The CARES Act is a triad. The act is over. He did a 10-year plan. No, he didn't. CARES is done. It wasn't even him. It was all my Adams.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Okay, so I filed HBC. What else has he done for black people? What else? First Step Act. For those who ain't educated. For the non-bourgeoisie class. For those who got to deal with recidivism and oppressive tentacles and tenets of institutions that crush us on a daily basis. Who passed that bill?
Starting point is 00:25:43 I know who signed it. No, no, no. I know who signed it. No, no, no. I know who signed it. Why are you asking me questions? Hey, Mark, Ronald Reagan signed the MLK federal holiday and opposed it. Do you know what this bill does? Do you know what the first step is? Mark, I'm asking you again.
Starting point is 00:25:53 You're really being defensive. You asked me to name another thing. Did the first step act pass? And as soon as I mentioned it, you're getting defensive, bro. No, no, no. I'm explaining to you who passed it. Who passed the first step act in the House? Who was the co-author?
Starting point is 00:26:03 Bro. Who was the co-author? Bro, you asked me what did Donald Trump do. No, no, no, Mark. I'm prepared to answer what Donald Trump did. Not what the House members did. I don't care about the House members. Oh, wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. I'm confused.
Starting point is 00:26:17 He's not running for president. I'm confused. You don't care about the people who actually wrote the bill. I'm sorry. You want to know why? Because the George Floyd Policing Act is still languishing. Why? Because they are a freaking gridlock in Washington.
Starting point is 00:26:33 That's why. Who was that? They don't do nothing. Who passed the George Floyd? They get nothing done. Who passed the George Floyd Act? Obama had to sign all kinds of orders to get stuff done. Who passed the George Floyd Act?
Starting point is 00:26:41 By the way, speaking of the Democratic Party. Who passed the George Floyd Act? By the way, speaking of the Democratic Party. Who passed the George Floyd Act? The obsolete, antiquated Democratic Party. So Democrats passed it in the House, and Senator Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham could not get eight Republicans on board to go along with it, and that's why it's dead. Okay, but it's dead, right? In Congress. Because the Republican Party...
Starting point is 00:27:07 But you're asking me why don't I care about Congress, and I'm telling you why. Hold up, hold up. But how can you say you don't care about Congress, but you're giving Trump credit for bills that Congress passes? Okay, I'm giving Trump credit for bills... How? He didn't pass them.
Starting point is 00:27:23 Get passed. Wait, hold up, hold up. Mark, I'm confused. You don't care about Congress, but you giving Trump credit for bills that Congress passed. So how can you ignore the people who passed the bills for him to sign? Okay, and so that's my
Starting point is 00:27:38 point. Because in order to get Congress to sign off on the bill, right, which is constantly in gridlock, you have to have somebody who knows how to make a deal. And he couldn't make no deal. Who's a negotiator. This is hilarious.
Starting point is 00:27:53 Okay, what else he did to black people? Because other than that, what does Congress do? Nothing. Since you said two things, what else he done to black people? What else? Okay, we have the, like I said, black unemployment was at a historic low. Actually, you know black unemployment fell lower under Biden than Trump. You also know that black male unemployment
Starting point is 00:28:09 hit its lowest point in April under Biden than it did in history. Okay, well, I can tell you. No, I'm just telling you. No, no, I can tell you it was lower than it was under Obama, and that's no shot at Obama. I'm confused. I'm confused. Obama not on the ballot. Again, the black unemployment rate has... No, because we love to praise Obama. I'm confused. Obama not on the ballot. Again, the black unemployment rate...
Starting point is 00:28:25 No, because we love to praise Obama and listen. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, we gotta keep it real. We gotta stop operating from emotion and we gotta stop operating from intelligence and logic. That's all I'm saying. If we're gonna compete with the rest of the world. Mark,
Starting point is 00:28:41 the total unemployment rate has been lower under Biden than Trump. The black unemployment rate has been lower under Biden than Trump. The black unemployment rate has been lower under Biden than Trump. So how is Trump better for black people? So like I said. What else? Compared to his predecessor. No, no, what else?
Starting point is 00:28:54 Okay, what else? Okay, so other than the HBCU 10-year bill expansion. Okay, but again, no. The First Step Act, which reduced the federal prison population. You didn't want to let me get that out, did you? That Democrats passed in the House. The Democrats approved in the Senate. And that Donald Trump signed off on. Wait a minute. Mark, you do
Starting point is 00:29:13 know that Reagan opposed the King holiday. It ain't like we crediting Reagan for the King holiday. We got the black unemployment at a historic low. Mark, Mark, I'm still... Like I said, the economy was booming. You asked a lot of black people. They tell you they was doing good under Trump. They tell you they was doing real good. And like I said, I economy was booming. You ask a lot of black people, they tell you they was doing good under Trump. They tell you they was doing real good. And like I said, I wasn't paying $10 for eggs
Starting point is 00:29:29 or $5 for gas. First of all, if the black unemployment is lower under Biden than it was under Trump, how was it better? Say that again? The black unemployment has gone lower under Biden-Harris than it did under Trump. Okay, so what I'm saying is,
Starting point is 00:29:46 because you know why? Because black people are the most intelligent people in the world, man to man. And they had to, like we always do... What in the hell are you talking about? I'm gonna explain to you. They have to pull themselves up by the bootstrap and make shit happen.
Starting point is 00:30:00 You heard of the Great Migration? You know what that is? Yeah, who let it? Okay, the black people. Who let it? Okay. Who led it? The blacks who said, screw this. No, actually, that's not. There's a guy on the wall who ran a Chicago defender. Let me finish.
Starting point is 00:30:13 Let me finish. And you want to know what assisted that? You ever heard of the Platinum Plan? Do you know what that is? Wait a minute. Hold on. Stop. Stop.
Starting point is 00:30:24 Hold on. Hold on. Let me finish. Hold on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me finish. No, no, no, no. Just let me finish. Roll it, roll it, roll it. The Trump platinum plan created the Great Migration? No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:30:30 What I'm saying is. I'm confused. I didn't say that. The Great Migration was in the 1930s and 40s. No, no, no. Excuse me. I meant the Great Resignation. I apologize.
Starting point is 00:30:38 When all black people in droves was like, screw this. What? The platinum plan. What was the platinum plan? Okay, the Platinum Plan? What was that? It increased income in black business. No, it didn't and the Platinum Plan was a proposal and it never actually To the black entrepreneur and also promoted and touted Juneteenth as a national holiday. Dude, Juneteenth.
Starting point is 00:31:08 Are you out of your mind? Juneteenth would have been a national holiday if Senator Rand Paul did not object to unanimous consent. Oh, my God. Are you just sitting here just making shit up? You're asking me about Trump. No, you're making stuff up. And I'm answering questions. And now you're throwing in Rand Paul and Joe Schmoe and Joe Bloke.
Starting point is 00:31:29 No, I'm throwing in facts. I'm throwing in facts. You're asking me questions and I'm answering them. No, you're not answering. What you're doing is you're doing what Trump is doing. You're just making shit up. So there's no... Dude, the platinum plan was a plan.
Starting point is 00:31:41 It was never enacted. I know. And he also said... I know. You know why it wasn't enacted? Why? The platinum plan was a plan. It was never enacted. I know. And he also said, and Trump said, oh. You know why it wasn't enacted? Why? Because of the black drove of people who went and got this guy elected.
Starting point is 00:31:52 The droves of blacks who were stuck on the Democratic Party. The plan was a joke because it specifically said it was going to do, what, $500 billion in contracts? Let me ask you this question. How much the total amount of contracts the federal government gives out every year? Okay, so. Mark, I'm asking you a question. What's the total amount of contracts the federal government gives out every year? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:32:17 It's $560 billion. So you're trying to tell me that the total amount of contracts the federal government awards every year to everybody is $560 billion, and Trump was going to award $500 billion of black people. Are you literally out of your mind? So, like I was saying... Answer the question. Now, Opportunity Zones...
Starting point is 00:32:37 Oh, my God. ...are also a low-income community-incentivized plan... Mark, Mark, Mark. ...that... I call the Trump White House... Nice tryized plan that I call the Trump White House. Nice try, Mark. I call the Trump White House and it was proposed to revitalize the inner cities
Starting point is 00:32:50 by giving business to those developers and property owners and developers. I had a pastor. Mark, let me help you out. Let me help you out, Mark. To pump life into our dead economies and cities. I don't know what the hell you read, but, bro, that's what it is. You are literally...'t know what the hell you read, but, bruh, you are literally...
Starting point is 00:33:06 That's what Opportunity Zone is, Roland. Mark, this ain't gonna go on much longer because right now, dude, you just making shit up. I literally... Did he not sign into law the first and only new historic park in Martin Luther King Jr.'s name in Georgia? Are you out of your...
Starting point is 00:33:24 Okay, so then? Oh my god He did not sign Into law and create a new historic park in Georgia in honor of Martin Luther King Jr He didn't do that rolling you literally say who let's let's support Trump cuz a park was created You're asking no see see created. No, no, no, no. You're asking me. No, see, this is the problem. No, no, no, no, no. I know this is the problem.
Starting point is 00:33:49 This is the problem. This is the problem. Mark, I notice how you skip over those contracts. The narratives that people believe in instead of creating their own narratives. I notice how you skip over the contracts. That's what I'm doing. I'm creating a narrative. No, no, no.
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Starting point is 00:35:11 I'm Greg Lott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
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Starting point is 00:36:03 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. You say you'd never give in to a meltdown and never fill your feed with kid photos. You say you'd never put a pacifier in your mouth to clean it and never let them run wild through the grocery store. So when you say you'd never let them get into a car without you there, no, it can happen. One in four hot car deaths happen when a kid gets into an unlocked car
Starting point is 00:36:43 and can't get out. Never happens. Before you leave the car, always stop, look, lock. Brought to you by NHTSA and the Ad Council. Like I did with myself. What you're creating. Because I no longer choose to be defined by you, by the news, by print, by media, or by my neighbor. I define myself. Mark, here's the deal.
Starting point is 00:37:02 Everything you just laid out. When I say you are so wrong. when I say you are factually wrong, when I say you can't, and then when you get hit with facts, you want to hopscotch onto the next thing. I brought up contracts, and I gave you the number of federal contracts. Trump said, I'm going to do $500 billion with black people. It's only $560 billion total in federal contracts. That was a flat-out lie. You fell for the o flat-out lie.
Starting point is 00:37:26 You fell for the okey-doke. And so I walked you through. You were touting this $90 million HBCU plan. He said he's going to do what? He's going to do $500 billion. That was the platinum plan. He was going to do $500 billion to black businesses when the federal government only spends 560 billion total for everything. So how in the hell is if the federal government is spending 560 billion total, he just going
Starting point is 00:37:52 to go, I'm going to give 500 billion to black people. Well, I can tell you what. I didn't hear that. I never heard. I'm not saying. You didn't hear it. No, no, no. Listen.
Starting point is 00:37:58 Listen. I didn't hear him say I'm going to because. It's. No, no, no. It's in the plan. Okay. The plan that you brought up. The platinum plan. Now, if he said that he's going to give 580 billion dollars. The plan that you brought up. The platinum plan.
Starting point is 00:38:05 If he said that he's going to give $580 billion. No, he said $500 billion. $500 billion to invest in black people. Where's it coming from? That's a good question. You're damn right it's a good question. It ain't coming from the federal government. What I'm saying is with a lot of things.
Starting point is 00:38:22 He made shit up. I can't speak for him. Now you can't speak for him. I can't speak made shit up i can't speak for him i can't speak for him i can't speak for him i can't speak for you i can tell you based on facts what i know you literally didn't see have not recited any facts and historical sources mark empirical evidence mark mark what the facts are that's what i do. I can't speak for him. Mark, I feel for you, brother. I know you've gone down some rabbit holes, but listen, you ain't cited any facts.
Starting point is 00:38:51 You haven't cited any of that. What you've thrown is stuff out there that's easily disproven. Easily. Let me say something real quick. Okay, final comment. Because I got to go to my black lawyers next because we're fighting these Trump federal judges
Starting point is 00:39:03 who want to get rid of the Voting Rights Act. But go ahead. It's important to understand that most importantly Oh, my bad. My bad. I need to put on some Marvin Gaye because this is some bullshit. But go right ahead. Most
Starting point is 00:39:17 importantly, we're trying to pivot off of the Democratic plantation. We're trying to make a pivot from this hold. How about you pivot to facts? This hold. How about you pivot to facts? That this party has on my people. How about you pivot to facts? That's so destructive
Starting point is 00:39:33 to my people and my community. How about you pivot to facts? That's what I pivot to. Now, Trump is the alternative. No, he's not. I support him. Dude, you literally called the January 6th people dissenters when they were domestic terrorists. I said what? Say that again? You have been quoted
Starting point is 00:39:49 calling the January 6th folks dissenters when they actually are domestic terrorists. Well, listen. You support them? I stand in solidarity with any American brother or sister, like I said from the very beginning. You stand in solidarity with the Oath Keepers? That's going through hard times. Do you stand in solidarity with the Oath Keepers?
Starting point is 00:40:08 Mark, do you stand in solidarity with the Oath Keepers? Mark, Mark, Mark, I'm asking you a question. I know how people feel. Do you stand in solidarity with the Oath Keepers? Listen, listen. Yes or no? I have empathy for black people, right? Because how do you think I feel in my community? Do you stand in solidarity with the Pride Boys? I have been castigated throughout my community and family and friends. So here's the thing. But I know how they feel. I understand. And guess what? Because they hate Trump. But guess what? There's no future
Starting point is 00:40:33 in that. There's no future in that. Ain't no future in this country if that lying, narcissistic insurrection is allowed back in. You literally have called the January 6th people dissenters. These are people who were domestic terrorists. These are people who were angry that black people voted. Donald Trump kept trashing black people when he would
Starting point is 00:40:57 say Atlanta, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, and Detroit. You had a Republican. I'm not done. You're making such a broad stroke. No, I'm not. It's like they did at BLM in the summer of growth. No, no, no. Every BLM supporter is a rioter and a looter and an anarchist. Donald Trump literally said... Okay. It's the same thing. So you think the people who've been convicted, they should be let free? No, I think that there's a justice
Starting point is 00:41:18 system, and I think they're going through the question like, all my people had to. Like, all my people had to. Doesn't make it right or moral. There's a justice system. I believe it was a setup. I believe it could have been stopped. It could have been prevented. Of course. You think we would have got that far? So January 6th was a setup. Of course it was. They could have stopped that like that.
Starting point is 00:41:34 That could have never happened. But what? It wasn't a good look. Well, guess what? You couldn't stop it when Donald Trump wouldn't allow the National Guard to come out. So now they're handing out cases like Halloween candy. And you don't see a problem with that. You get 20. You get 20, you get 20. Okay, you guys, you stay in your comfortable, you know. I'm going to be on record.
Starting point is 00:41:51 I got no problem with the racist, OTP-percent of Proud Boys going to jail. Yep, there you go, trying to change something. All right. No, no, hey, listen. Like I said, I take no pleasure in any suffering. Mark, last point here is I got some lawyers waiting. Here's the whole deal.
Starting point is 00:42:06 I'm going to give you this last one. Since you keep yelling opportunity zones. The black pastor. No, I'm saying that people. Mark, Mark, Mark. I'm saying that the bourgeois class. Mark, Mark, I want you to listen. That's so comfortable.
Starting point is 00:42:16 No, I want you to listen. They don't want to see anything change. Mark. Even if that means shitting on an average black person. Mark, let me say it again. They don't want to see it happen. Mark, I'm going to give you a fact. That's who I have a problem with. I'm going to give you a fact. messes with their comfort. I'm going to give you a fact. That's who I have a problem with.
Starting point is 00:42:26 I'm going to give you a fact. My own people gave me no support when I started my organization. I didn't get an iota of support from them. Mark, you in Rhode Island. It's three black people. For the same people I'm fighting for. It doesn't matter if it's one. It's Jeffrey.
Starting point is 00:42:38 That's not even the point. Listen, we at Crystal. For the same people I'm fighting for. Mark, Mark. I come here and all the black people tell me you need to drop me. No, no, no, no, to drop me. Because you know what? They're doing too well here. They can't relate to that. They can't
Starting point is 00:42:50 understand what the plight is of black people outside of the DMV. So they tell me, drop that. I say, no, guess what? Now I say I support all people suffering. Oh, now they don't want to have Thanksgiving with me. Now they want to castigate me. So okay, you know what? That's what I'm dealing with in my community.
Starting point is 00:43:06 This is what I find to be funny. But I still love my people anyway. This is what I find to be funny. I'm going to leave it on this one here. You kept mentioning. I love them anyway. No, no. You kept mentioning I still go to war. I still go to Bafia. I'm going to close this out. I'm going to close this out. You kept mentioning Opportunity Zones.
Starting point is 00:43:22 The black pastor from Baltimore who spoke with Trump at the White House when that was announced came on this show that night. Six months later, he came on this same show and he said it has been an abysmal failure. I,
Starting point is 00:43:38 before I know Mark, the black pastor from Baltimore who spoke, go look it up. He was on this show. Mark, you can go pull it up. Mark, I'll? He was on this show. What's his name? Mark, you can go pull it up. I'm asking you, what's his name? Mark, I'll pull his name up, but it's real simple, brother. Please. It's real simple. I want to know who he is. It's real simple. If you're going to run around spouting stuff,
Starting point is 00:43:54 bro, have some facts. Double check some stuff. Can I tell you something? Your stuff is so easily disproven, it's unbelievable. Let me drop some knowledge real quick. You ain't dropping no knowledge. I'm going to drop some knowledge real quick. You ain't dropping no knowledge. I'm going to drop some knowledge on you.
Starting point is 00:44:08 What you going to drop? This is what y'all don't understand. People don't care about the facts. You know what they care about? Perception. Because that's nine-tenths of reality. And guess what? This is what I'm trying to explain.
Starting point is 00:44:17 You're so concerned with the facts. Wow. I'm concerned with the narrative. I'm so concerned with the facts. That's right. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. You know what?
Starting point is 00:44:24 I'm not saying don't be concerned, but don't be overly concerned with them. Hold on. I'm so concerned with the narrative. I'm so concerned with the facts. That's right. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. You know what? I'm not saying don't be concerned, but don't be overly concerned with them. Hold on. I'm sorry. Because while you're so concerned and beating up on the facts, guess what? People are leaving in droves, and they're disavowing the Democrats, and they're endorsing Donald Trump. Right under your nose. So what you're saying is, Roland, don't tell the truth.
Starting point is 00:44:39 Be like Trump and lie. Right under your nose. All right. That's a good one to close out on. Uh, Mark, we'll see what happens, but I can tell you right now,
Starting point is 00:44:48 any times I come on this show, lies will be countered every time. Facts will always be spoken and you can keep your Trump perception. But I, I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time. Have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called
Starting point is 00:45:14 this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season One. Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and
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Starting point is 00:46:08 And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players
Starting point is 00:46:24 all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote
Starting point is 00:46:35 drug ban. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush.
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Starting point is 00:47:05 and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. You say you'd never give in to a meltdown and never fill your feed with kid photos. You say you'd never put a pacifier in your mouth to clean it. And never let them run wild through the grocery store. So when you say you'd never let them get into a car without you there, know it can happen.
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Starting point is 00:48:12 there's an angry pro-trump mob storm to the u.s capital we're about to see the rise of what i call white minority resistance we have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial. This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson at Emory University calls white rage as a backlash. This is the wrath of the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys. America, there's going to be more of this. Here's all the Proud Boys guys.
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Starting point is 00:49:54 only on Blackstar Network. Hey, what's up, Geek Tour, the place to be. Got kicked out your mama's university. Creator and executive producer of Fat Tuesdays, an air hip-hop comedy. But right now, I'm rolling with Roland Martin. Unfiltered, uncut, unplugged, and undamned believable. You hear me? All right, folks, conservatives, Republicans have been doing all they can to get rid of the Voting Rights Act because they do not like black power. Well, the Eighth Circuit today issued a ruling that is unbelievably illogical. They actually ruled that only the Department of Justice can file lawsuits using Section 2, not individuals, not organizations. Do y'all realize
Starting point is 00:51:01 the DOJ has filed less than 20 cases, but outside groups have filed nearly 200 in the last several years? Let's break this thing down right here, folks, with my panelists. Kareem Creighton, Senior Director of Voting Representation at the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU Law School. Damon Hewitt, President and Executive Director of the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. Damon, I want to start with you. This was a two-to-one vote by a three-judge panel. President, Executive Director of the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. Damon, I want to start with you. This was a two-to-one vote by a three-judge panel. Clarence Thomas has been wanting to get rid of the Voting Rights Act.
Starting point is 00:51:41 Republicans have been targeting Section 2, and it's under Section 2 we've been able to get those congressional districts in Louisiana, in Alabama. What do you make of this decision? Well, Roland, it's a classic case of a right without a remedy is no right at all. That's essentially a translation. This is not a new play, this notion of this so-called lack of a private right of action. You know, for the last 20, I guess, 22 years, we've been living with this under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, where the Supreme Court determined that under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, which of course prohibits entities that receive federal funds from discriminating based on race, that there's no private right of action there as well. And so the irony is really like patent. The same court, the same people that told us, oh, it doesn't matter that we gutted the heart of the
Starting point is 00:52:25 VRA with Section 5 and Shelby County Beholder in 2013, you still have Section 2. Now, well, we've known all along that Section 2 cases are more expensive, more fact-intensive, more time-intensive. And sometimes when you win a Section 2 case, bad things have already happened, just like in Alabama, right? A whole election has gone by. But now they're telling us Section 2, forget about that as well. This is the play, and this is the evil at work, quite frankly. That's exactly what it is, Kareem. And again, there are people out here, and I've been doing what I call
Starting point is 00:53:00 Civics 101 on social media because a lot of our people don't quite understand what conservative Republicans do. They file cases hoping they're going to make their way through the court system and get to the Supreme Court where they have six conservative justices on the Supreme Court. And all they're hoping for is for five of them to side with them that would invalidate Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. And if that happens, Section 4 is already being gutted. You gut Section 2. Oh, the attack on black people is going to be all over the country. I can't question anything you said there.
Starting point is 00:53:38 Section 2 has traditionally been viewed as the sword that plaintiffs have to go and defend and vindicate their right to vote. As Damon mentioned earlier, it's been really an opportunity that has worked in really episodic ways, not as perfectly as we'd like it to, but it has worked. And I think that there are people out there now who want to get rid of it. And the court told us in 2013, as Damon said, look, we've got Section 2 of the act still on the books that will allow plaintiffs to go in and sue. And that's really the world that has existed since 1965, when Congress observed the fact that the DOJ wasn't sufficient to vindicate the right to vote throughout the country and therefore created this statute. So all of the Congresses that adopted the act, all the presidents that signed it, all the Supreme Court majorities that upheld the act would be shocked to hear that all of a sudden this question now is a live one. Damon, the thing that, again, get people to understand how major this is.
Starting point is 00:54:49 And I keep trying to explain to people why federal judges matter. We're not talking just about congressional races. We're talking congressional races, state races, county districts, city, down to county commissioners. We just had the courts rule in favor in a case in Galveston, Texas, where they redrew the lines when it came to county commissioners. We're talking about the representation of black people and others up and down the ballot all across the country, especially in the South. That's exactly right. There's levels of bad here. So when you think about Bush v. Gore after the 2000 election, where the Supreme Court essentially helped determine who would become president,
Starting point is 00:55:32 you think about congressional races. But then you think also about the races at the state level, the local level. Think about all of the things that we've gained. The Milligan case in Alabama, which was a win, that would not have been possible based on this ruling. Louisiana getting another Black congressional district, that would not be possible under this ruling. The Congressional Black Caucus is the largest it has ever been in this Congress. That would not likely have been possible because we know some of those districts were created because of the Voting Rights Act, because of enforcement of the Voting Rights Act, not just by DOJ, but by private
Starting point is 00:56:10 litigants. What they're saying is you people, black people, don't have rights that this court cognizes. It kind of rings, I know it sounds hyperbolic, but it sounds like Dred Scott, no rights which they are bound to respect. That's what it feels like in the sting of today. Kareem, again, we hope the courts will use some sense. The decisions they have recently made with regards to Section 2 in the Louisiana case and the Alabama case have been positive. But as I said, all they need are five votes. And what people need to understand, when one of these circuit courts or lower courts makes
Starting point is 00:56:57 one of these decisions, it literally can imperil, again, the entire law. And once that happens, now all of a sudden, we're going back to, frankly, all the battles from, frankly, the 40s through the 50s through the 60s just to get the Voting Rights Act. That's right. And it's important to know that as of today, this decision applies to all of the states in the Eighth Circuit, which goes from
Starting point is 00:57:25 as far north as North Dakota and Minnesota down through Arkansas and Missouri. And these are places where there are a lot of people of color bringing claims. I would say also it's important to know that as we're talking about it, there are a lot of cases out there that are pending. There is a case just today that Native American groups won under Section 2 in North Dakota that now people have to ask, do we have still a live win? We may win, but we may have to now fight this question about a private right of action. it, for all of the accomplishments of lawyers like the Lawyers Committee, like Legal Defense Fund, that have gone in and followed through on the call that Congress made as early as 1965 to make sure that in each one of these jurisdictions that are not paying fair attention to the right to vote, particularly for people of color, that there is vindication for that violation. And it's important to know that, you know, in addition to redistricting,
Starting point is 00:58:26 which obviously has a huge impact on opportunity, there are a lot of suppression laws, access to ballots, making sure that people actually count votes appropriately, all of these things that make sure that the elections run the way that they're supposed to run and don't unfairly disadvantage people of color. We're on the precipice of a 2024 election. All of those things are subject to review under Section 2 right now. And they're usually brought, as we've said earlier, by private plaintiffs. So if we cut out the opportunity for private plaintiffs to go and sue, particularly for these last minute gotcha efforts by states and local jurisdictions, we're kind of left open. I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time,
Starting point is 00:59:11 have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes, but there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated.
Starting point is 00:59:48 I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:00:04 Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Glott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way.
Starting point is 01:00:23 In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This has kind of star-studded podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves.
Starting point is 01:00:38 Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug thing is. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote.
Starting point is 01:00:54 Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working, and we need to change things. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs
Starting point is 01:01:08 podcast season two on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple podcast. You say you never give in to a meltdown
Starting point is 01:01:29 and never fill your feed with kid photos. You say you'd never put a pacifier in your mouth to clean it and never let them run wild through the grocery store. So when you say you'd never let them get into a car without you there, know it can happen. One in four hot car deaths happen when a kid gets into an unlocked car and
Starting point is 01:01:49 can't get out. Never happens before you leave the car. Always stop. Look, lock. Brought to you by NHTSA and the Ad Council. To real danger at having an election that's free and fair. Indeed. Damon, final comment.
Starting point is 01:02:09 Well, look, you know, what's not lost here, as you mentioned at the time, Roland, this was a 2-1 decision. The dissenting judge, although not as full-throated a dissent, but the dissenting judge was a George W. Bush appointee. That's what we're left to, folks. That's what we're left to in terms of who we have to convince on these federal courts. Now, we're a nonpartisan organization, so we'll argue any case at any time on the merits for black folks before these federal courts. That's what we do as lawyers and litigators, as Kareem knows and does well. But the politics have to sink in here, that if we don't care about the elections,
Starting point is 01:02:45 then you're saying you don't care about the courts. And that's what you essentially said, you don't care about your voice and your power, because that's what it comes down to. All right, gentlemen, we appreciate it, thanks a lot. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right, folks, going to break. We come back, go to my panel.
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Starting point is 01:04:31 available. Grow with Google and J-Hood and Associates. Be job ready and qualify for in-demand jobs. Next on The Black Table, with me, Greg Carr, working under the constant threat of violence. Nearly 50 bomb threats over dozens of HBCU campuses. In 2022, we'll talk to our HBCU Master Teacher Roundtable about the stress, the strain, the frustrating lack of answers, and real community-grounded solutions to the threat of violence we face at HBCUs today. Join us for The Black Table, only on the Black Star Network. Hey, what's up, y'all? I'm Devon Franklin. I'm Dr. Robin B., pharmacist and fitness coach, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. All right, folks, my pound, Dr. Julianne Malveaux, economist, president emerita for Bennett College, joining me out of D.C.
Starting point is 01:05:43 Doctor, I'm a Congo Dbinga senior professorial lecturer, School of International Service, American University out of D.C. Dr. Amakongo Dbinga, Senior Professorial Lecturer, School of International Service, American University out of Washington, D.C. Rebecca Carruthers, Vice President, Fair Election Center, Washington, D.C. All right, so lots to talk about. Let me first start with Amakongo. Amakongo, what you just heard from Mark Fisher
Starting point is 01:06:03 is some of the bullshit That I hear from A number of black men A number of black men Who fall for this nonsense with Trump There are some black women Who fall for the exact same thing I had somebody who tweeted me
Starting point is 01:06:20 And they were like, Roland, let the man talk Y'all, I can't let somebody keep lying. Like, lie, lie, lie. I mean, again, see, here's the whole deal and this is why I used to tell Malik Abdul, who's so scared he won't come back on the show, but he out there
Starting point is 01:06:38 talking bullshit on Instagram that only 13 people looked at. This is what they like. They think that this is Fox News where lies will be allowed to be told. If he said, if Mark came on here
Starting point is 01:06:54 and said, I support Donald Trump because I believe in lower taxes, I believe in less government regulation, okay, you can keep talking. But what you're not going to do is lie about the HBCU initiative that Congressman Alma Adams had to put back in the budget. What you're not going to do is lie about the amount of money
Starting point is 01:07:19 that HBCUs have gotten under Biden-Harris. What you're not going to do is lie about the First Step Act. You're not just going to lie and lie. You're not going to lie about black unemployment. You're not going to lie about black male unemployment. I simply am not going to allow lies to be told, and I will interrupt your ass in a heartbeat. Most definitely. And while I was watching, I in a heartbeat. Oh, most definitely.
Starting point is 01:07:45 And while I was watching, I was tweeting out the link telling people to, you know, this is one of the reasons why many Trump supporters don't actually talk to real journalists because real journalists will press them on the facts. And that's the challenge that I see in so many aspects of the media today
Starting point is 01:07:59 is that these guys, they practice the triple Ds, right? Deny, deflect, and dismiss. Deny the truth, deflect the truth, and then dismiss the truth, and just give themselves opportunities to have some type of talking points that they can use on a potentially viral clip that they'll send to their funders.
Starting point is 01:08:16 And you did not give him that opportunity. What part is he going to take and share with his followers about how he got Roland Martin tonight? It's not possible because you are factual with them. And this is really problematic because there are people, not only is he an embarrassment and a disgrace to Black Lives Matter and a disgrace to what we're doing as a community, but it's also a disgrace to the climate that we live in tonight, today, where people feel like, well, I'm not going to say they feel, where their lives will give them
Starting point is 01:08:45 a platform. And if they can show that they can be the loudest voice and the most loyal voice, there is a place for them in news articles and Fox News and One America News Network and all of those. But you bring yourself here to the Black Star Network, this is what you're going to get, which is why I don't think he's going to be back, which is why I can't wait for this clip to be up tomorrow, because it needs to be circulated widely on what real journalism looks like. And you have facts. You have institutional knowledge. And when you have a combination of that, they have nothing for you. And so everybody needs to see this. This was a master class on what journalism used to be and what real journalists should be doing. And the reason that we have
Starting point is 01:09:23 part of our problems today is that most journalists on all of these networks do not do what you just did. They let people speak, let people make their talking points, and let them fundraise off of it and call it a day. And that's as much a part of the problem as so many other issues we're dealing with. I know a lot of cops,
Starting point is 01:09:40 and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple.
Starting point is 01:10:00 Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad.
Starting point is 01:10:22 It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English.
Starting point is 01:10:48 I'm Greg Glott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
Starting point is 01:11:02 It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug ban. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette.
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Starting point is 01:11:44 And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. You say you'd never give in to a meltdown and never fill your feed with kid photos. You say you'd never put a pacifier in your mouth to clean it and never let them run wild through the grocery store so when you say you'd never let them get into a car without you there no it can happen one in four hot car deaths happen when a kid gets into an unlocked car and can't get out never happens happens. Before you leave the car, always stop, look, lock.
Starting point is 01:12:26 Brought to you by NHTSA and the Ad Council. Thank you, Roland. The thing here for me, Julian, is my producer was talking to him out there. I said, do you believe anything you said? He said, no.
Starting point is 01:12:43 What? We got to shake this thing up. And see, so this is what you have out here. And I know a bunch of these fools with YouTube shows talk just like him. Because this is what they say. Man, we got to get off the plantation. First of all, if you believe that you are on a plantation, then you are saying you are a slave.
Starting point is 01:13:06 I'm not on a plantation. That's right. I'm not enslaved, nor am I a sharecropper. So let's just get this straight. But the thing here is you have the people who say, well, we got to shake up the Democrats so we're going to vote for Trump. I got some foundational black American, one of them FBA fools, who just tweeted me, Roland, this ain't gonna matter,
Starting point is 01:13:32 Trump 2024. And I went, fool, there ain't nothing. See, these FBA fools are hardcore anti-immigration. But Trump, they hardcore anti-black. So, if y'all think Trump gonna do anything for you FBA fools,
Starting point is 01:13:52 y'all got to be, let's see, y'all call yourselves foundational black Americans. I'm gonna call you free bumpkins of America if y'all believe Trump doing anything for y'all. Roland,
Starting point is 01:14:07 I'm so glad you took a break because I was packing up so much I had to adjust my makeup. Tears are rolling down my face. And you need to drug test people before they come on your show. Drug tests and mental health tests and everything else. That was one bloody
Starting point is 01:14:24 fool. A total I kept saying, WTF, W tests and everything else. That was one bloody fool. A total... I kept saying, WTF, WTF. Ask Carol. I was texting her. Tell Roland to get this fool off the air. But the fact is that he does represent a slice of black America that is crazy. But let me roll back...
Starting point is 01:14:41 And white America. Well, I don't care about white people. No, no, it's like the crazy Trump people who actually think he's still the president. Oh, yeah, yeah, that part. When I got our list of topics, I called Dr. Malina Abdullah and said, who is this fool? He says he's with Black Lives Matter.
Starting point is 01:15:02 Well, the courts would not allow Black Lives Matter to copyright their name. So anybody can go anywhere and call themselves Black Lives Matter. She said they did not have a Rhode Island chapter. She said this is just basically you're free flying fool. And that's what he was. But you handled him properly, perfectly, appropriately. But I really was thinking that he was on something, because his whole affect was odd. And at the same time, what we do know about all of this is that these people are not going anywhere.
Starting point is 01:15:42 The poster you had on a couple of weeks ago said that 30 percent of black men would vote for Trump today. I don't know if that poll is correct, but I know that there are a large swath of black men and black women who believe that the orange man is OK. And I don't understand how they can do that when you look at what's going on, when you look at the economic numbers. Yes, we do have inflation. He mentioned that. He threw that in. He had to pay $5 for some eggs.
Starting point is 01:16:13 Okay. I mean, but inflation is coming down. And we know why we have inflation. So inflation is one issue that a lot of people are going to hang their hat on. Gas prices are coming down. They've been coming down consistently. So I don't even know, you know, but they want to hold on to some old narrative. Black unemployment is still below 4%. We've never seen sustained Black unemployment below 4%. That was a Biden thing, a Biden-Harris thing, not a Trump thing. And we can go through every, you know, the fact
Starting point is 01:16:46 is that if people would simply read, simply pay attention, there is no contest between Biden and the orange man. Rebecca, here's the thing that we have to understand. That there are chaos
Starting point is 01:17:02 agents. There are people who deliberately spread disinformation and misinformation, and when you allow lies to keep being repeated, what happens? Donald Trump did it. Donald Trump kept repeating lies, and these people kind of like,
Starting point is 01:17:17 oh, must be true. Donald Trump was saying he signed a bill into law that Obama did. But if you keep repeating the lie, folks will then start repeating the lie, folks will then start repeating the lie for you. Well, speaking of repeating lies, I do
Starting point is 01:17:32 not think that he actually was a co-founder of Black Lives Matter Rhode Island. In fact, I so do not believe it actually just tweeted out and tagged you in it, Roland. I actually pulled up Rhode Island government to actually see, okay, whose names are actually on Black Lives Matter Rhode Island
Starting point is 01:17:52 articles of incorporation. And I saw a Michael, I saw a Gary, and I saw Cheyenne listed. I did not see Mark Fisher listed in the 2020, I think it was August 2020, foulings to foul Black Lives Matter Rhode Island as a nonprofit in Rhode Island. So I think he's lying about that. I mean, speaking of lies, like it's pretty easy to go find out, you know, his affiliation. And the only places where I saw him listed as a co-founder of Rhode Island Black Lives Matter is it came out of his mouth and then got printed over and over in subsequent newspapers.
Starting point is 01:18:32 But I'm still looking to see, dude, are you actually a co-founder of Rhode Island Black Lives Matter? Because the documents say otherwise. I'm going to tell folks right now, it's going to be a whole bunch of lying over the next 11 months. And if you allow lies to get Repeated especially the Thanksgiving dinner table and people are gonna go there
Starting point is 01:18:50 So when y'all sit down to eat Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday if anybody at your dinner table Sounded like homeboy did Light that ass up Like that light that ass up and hit them with nothing but turkey legs and facts folks gotta go to break we come back we're gonna talk to the co-captain with the Montgomery Brawl y'all remember that
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Starting point is 01:19:54 book fans and representing for women's rights the group mom's rising handles all of this so join me in this conversation with my guest monifa vend Vandelli. This is white backlash. This is white fear that happens every time Black people in the United States help to walk the United States forward towards what is written on the paper. Right here on The Frequency on the Black Star Network. On the next Get Wealthy with me, Deborah Owens, have you ever had a million dollar idea and
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Starting point is 01:21:45 I'm Dr. Bernard Hodges. And I'm Dr. Terrence Ferguson. And you're tuning in to... Roland Martin Unfiltered. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.
Starting point is 01:22:19 Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary
Starting point is 01:22:37 mission. This is Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 01:23:00 Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st. And episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King,
Starting point is 01:23:36 John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug thing is. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. Got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote.
Starting point is 01:23:51 Marine Corps vet. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working, and we need to change things. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real.
Starting point is 01:24:09 Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. You say you never give in to a meltdown and never fill your feed with kid photos. You say you'd never put a pacifier in your mouth to clean it and never let them run wild through the grocery store. So when you say you'd never let them get into a car without you there, no, it can happen. One in four hot car deaths happen when a kid gets into an unlocked car and can't get out.
Starting point is 01:24:47 Never happens. Before you leave the car, always stop, look, lock. Brought to you by NHTSA and the Ad Council. Folks, the Black Alabama Riverboat co-captain now facing charges after he was attacked on August 5th. We all remember seeing this video here of Damien Pickett again tossing his hat in the air, and then it was on. He was charged with third-degree assault, becoming the sixth person charged in the brawl, which happened because a private pontoon boat was preventing the Harriet 2 Riverboat from docking along the Montgomery Riverfront. Pickett took a smaller boat to the dock
Starting point is 01:25:48 to move the pontoon boat on his own before white boaters attacked him, prompting others to defend Pickett, causing a massive melee. Joining us from Montgomery is Damian Pickett. Damian, glad to have you on the show. Before I get to the charges, I've got to ask
Starting point is 01:26:04 you this. What the hell was the toss in the hat? Like, explain that. Is that like something you normally do? What was up with that? It meant exactly what you thought it was. It's on. That's what it meant.
Starting point is 01:26:19 Exactly what you thought it was. It's on. You can put your hands on me, and it's go time. Had anything like that ever happened to you before? But you thought it was his own. You can put your hands on me, and it's go time. Had anything like that ever happened to you before? No, sir. None whatsoever. It's a first. And so, Dillard, so they were angry that you moved the boat,
Starting point is 01:26:39 but how long were y'all waiting trying to dock? Ooh. I said at least 20, 25 minutes. So you've got people on the Harrier 2 trying, because they were getting off, correct? Because you were turning back from being out in the water, right? That's right. And so y'all are sitting there, and these cats ain't moving,
Starting point is 01:27:03 and they're moving. And I take it, well, y'all are hitting the horns. Well, y'all are trying to say, hey, man, we need y'all are sitting there and these cats ain't moving and they're moving. And I take it, uh, well, y'all hitting the horns. Well, y'all trying to say, Hey man, we need y'all to move. And they just like, yeah, no, we ain't moving. Yeah, that's exactly what happened. We was on our bull horns and everything. So when you, so when you, when, when they came up to you, uh, what was exchanged?
Starting point is 01:27:25 What was said? I was telling them there's a reason that they both had to be moved because if not, I was going to crash their votes. And they responded? Obscene gestures, threats, what they want to do to me. I'm like, well, it is what it is. But it's consequences for everything. And obviously it was for them, one of you. And then when other folks saw you being attacked, y'all roll it,
Starting point is 01:27:59 saw you being attacked, then it was like Wakanda. Folk came to the rescue. And just walk us through that. Yeah, it was just a whole lot of melee. Once they put their hand on me, I knew, like, okay, I'm going to have to fight now. But every day I was outnumbered. But I'm still here by the grace of God. Are you surprised at the reaction to this? I mean, we're showing here right now where you're trying to explain to the guy,
Starting point is 01:28:33 look, you got to move. You're trying to walk him through. And they just still yell. He waves you off. He blows you off. And they don't care. They just want to argue with you. And you're like, I need y'all to move the boat.
Starting point is 01:28:46 Yeah, that's all I ask. That's all I ask. Y'all move y'all boat, and y'all can still have y'all boat sitting right here. Just let us park. And they will still threaten me, talk about what they going to do to me. And I'll tell them, y'all put y'all hands on me, it's going to be consequences. So are you surprised with these assault charters? Because, again, I'm seeing several times you're being touched.
Starting point is 01:29:10 Yeah. And I'm like, how y'all going to charge me for something that I do every day, just doing my job? Um, were you shocked, surprised about the national, international reaction to this Montgomery Riverboat brawl? I'm still surprised right now. Shocked. It's getting so much attention. I'm getting a lot of support from people.
Starting point is 01:29:38 And I'm just overwhelmed with a whole lot of blessings. Questions from our panel. Rebecca, you first. Well, first, Damien, you're a national hero, so salute to you. When you threw up that hat, everybody knew it was a hooty-hoo of everybody, come on in.
Starting point is 01:29:55 We got to jump in. You know, I'm an attorney. I don't understand, well, as an attorney, I don't understand why you're being charged. As a black person in this country, I know exactly why you're being charged. Do you have a legal defense fund that we can all donate to make sure that you're able to pay your attorneys to make sure that this charge goes away? That's what I'm trying to get set up right now. Defense, go find for me and some of my co-workers. So, it's hard
Starting point is 01:30:26 when you're trying to do stuff by yourself, you know. You got no lawyer. You say you don't have a lawyer? No, sir. So, okay, you don't, so you, okay, you don't have a lawyer?
Starting point is 01:30:42 No, sir. Really? Really? All right. So you got the higher lawyer? So no GoFundMe or anything? Because I know the brother, I know the brother who was arrested,
Starting point is 01:30:59 who hit him over the head with a chair, a GoFund was set up for him. But nothing for you since the charter's been filed? No, I'm setting up one tomorrow, so I have tried to get some funds, you know, for getting me a good attorney. Okay, all right. So,
Starting point is 01:31:17 Omokongo, your question. Well, thank you, Mr. Pickett, for just everything you've done and the grace that you've served with everything, and as Rebecca said, you you, Mr. Pickett, for just everything you've done and the grace that you've served with everything. And as Rebecca said, you know, we all have your back and we look forward to this GoFundMe so we can share that as well. We talked about a lot of the support you received. Has there been a lot of negative backlash from people who are, you know, out there on the Trump side of things? You know, do you have do you have any fear for your safety
Starting point is 01:31:45 as you've gone through this process? Hey, I'm a Congo. Hold on one second. Hey, Ben Crump. Yes, sir. Hey, I'm on the air right now with the brother who was the co-captain at the Montgomery Brawl. You know they charged him, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:32:00 So he doesn't have an attorney or anything. We're interviewing him right now. They don't even have a GoFundMe. We need to get this have an attorney or anything. We're interviewing him right now. They don't even have a GoFund... We need to get this brother an attorney, man. No, we'll definitely get him an attorney. Uh, if you want to put him on group text, I can't go and make that initial contact because that's solicitation.
Starting point is 01:32:18 Got it. If he want to text me and call me, we'll definitely... All kind of people will want to assist him. All right, so you want me to send him your number and for him, and then he'll contact you. All right. I'll take care of that.
Starting point is 01:32:36 All right, Ben, appreciate it. All right. Thanks a bunch. All right. All right, Damon, you're going to have an attorney. That's how we roll here, Damon. I'm going to take my spokesperson, Mr. John C. Burnett. Huh?
Starting point is 01:32:53 Mr. Burnett, he's my spokesman. Oh, well, that's a spokesman. You need an attorney. Yeah. So we're going to send me your number. I'm going to give her a bit. She's going to send you Ben Crump's number, and then as soon as you get done with this interview, I want you to text Ben Crump, and then we'll get it started about getting you an attorney down there in Alabama, all right?
Starting point is 01:33:19 Yes, sir. All right, Omicongo, ask your question again. Best show ever. I was just asking, have there been any threats to your personal safety since this has all gone down? How are you dealing with any of that? Well, there hasn't been any threats. There's a whole lot of reporters, you know, spending night in the parking lot, popping up at my house, and I'm just trying to go to work, and I have to leave early just to avoid some of them.
Starting point is 01:33:50 Just to make it to work early and avoid some of these reporters. But no threats whatsoever. Great. Julianne? My brother, first of all, I appreciate you so much. I love that throw the hat up in the air.
Starting point is 01:34:06 And I appreciate the fact that you basically were just doing your job. These people didn't want you to do it. My question has to do with your job. Have there been any employment implications to what happened? Has your, you know, you got a good job. Your co-captain spoke up for you. But has anybody from a workplace perspective done anything that has been harmful to you? Oh, no, ma'am. No, ma'am.
Starting point is 01:34:34 None whatsoever. No harm has been done for me, not from a workplace perspective anyway. So your employer supports you and supports your actions? Yes, ma'am. Now, Danny, are you full-time with them or are you contract worker? Yeah, I'm a contract worker.
Starting point is 01:34:55 I got you. You're a contract worker. So your job has not been impacted. Since this happened, you continue to work? I continue to work, yeah. I go to work faithfully every day. Okay. What do you want to say to all the folks out there who
Starting point is 01:35:14 have been wearing folding chair, earrings, necklaces, shirts, the folk out there who said that date should be a national holiday. I mean, the reaction has been, I mean, look, I mean, the video, I mean, the show that I did, the video that I did, I think we're up to like two and a half million views on that video as well.
Starting point is 01:35:39 People stop me all the time talking about that particular show. So, I mean, what do you want to say to all those folks? I love the support. Keep supporting me, and I just I'm going to keep doing my job like I've been doing. Everybody just stay humble
Starting point is 01:35:58 like me. All right. Well, Damon, look, so right now, Carol's going to text you Ben Crump's number. You hit Ben and then he got lots of folks. We'll make sure that you get some representation, some good representation there in Montgomery, Alabama. Yeah, thank you. I want to shout out John C. Burnett and Miss Melissa for helping me get to you and get to where I am today.
Starting point is 01:36:25 All right, Damien, we appreciate it, man. Good luck. You too. Thank you. All right, folks. Go to a break. See, that's why, see, y'all got to understand, you know, that's why black-owned media matters, okay? So, you know, brother said he need an attorney, ain't nothing but a phone call. So, it's a whole bunch of people I could have called, so that wasn't no problem. He's going to get an attorney uh and so uh and i'm telling y'all right now so this is also why you need to come talk to black on media i'm gonna tell you right now cnn abc and nbc would have never done that rebecca over there snapping her fingers uh like
Starting point is 01:36:58 like she like she listened to uh love jones their poetry jams or something um but again see they wanted to see they they wouldn't do that on the mother networks. But when you own it, you get to set your own rules, and you ain't got to ask no permission. All right, y'all, going to a break. We'll be right back. Roland Martin, Unfiltered, right here on the Black Star Network. When you talk about blackness and what happens in black culture,
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Starting point is 01:45:14 some great videos, giving us, showing us really what this election is all about. And so they dropped one today that I thought was really great. So I wanted to show it to y'all. Check it out. The Supreme Court has overturned Roe v. Wade. They have eliminated the constitutional right to an abortion. We're never getting rid of MAGA, don't worry. Shit's about to hit the fan in this country. MAGA is ascendant.
Starting point is 01:46:12 What do you want to be able to tell your kids and grandkids you did? You good with nothing? You know what gets people out to vote? Emotion. It's not going to be enough. They've got these extreme positions. If we don't motivate our voters to understand what's at stake. What are you going to do?
Starting point is 01:46:41 I know what I'm going to do. Do I know what I'm going to do? Oh, oh, oh, oh. I know what I'm gonna do. Do I know what I'm gonna do? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. We gotta work together. We gotta unite. But you don't care about you and me. I care about you and me. So what's up? Hey everyone, it's your girl Robin.
Starting point is 01:47:05 I know, I'm not usually political, but this? We have to do something. Nobody's going to save us but us. So let me know what you think and let's make a plan. Tomorrow's too late. Stay safe, stay fly. I know that there's a presidential election coming up. I'm concerned.
Starting point is 01:47:24 But did you know that all of this will be happening in the same time? This isn't about partisanship. This is about democracy or no democracy. One presidential candidate who's defending democracy and another could take us down the road of Mussolini and Hitler and other dictators. You know, that's as dark as this is. Everyone needs to be on point for 2024. You think they're playing?
Starting point is 01:47:52 They're not playing. They're coming. And we need to be ready. They have armies of disinformation actively right now. It's a machine. There are billions of dollars involved. The Capitol riot made clear that MAGA is a cult. This is the last free and fair election, unless we show up and show out.
Starting point is 01:48:14 So what can you do? Get involved. Make content. Everyone can do it. You can do it. Be a voice. Start today, because tomorrow's too late. Everyone can do it. You can do it. Be a voice. Start today, because tomorrow's too late. Cut. You know, Rebecca, I've been doing these posts on social media, talking about Civics 101 and some other places. And I've had some people going, oh, man, you trying to scare tactics. I'm like, no, I'm not doing scare tactics.
Starting point is 01:49:18 I'm literally telling you what is going to happen. Donald Trump and his minions are on record as saying they win, they're going to be firing thousands of government employees who do not align with their ideology. They are going to have a wholesale targeting of black people. What you're going to see is literally the targeting of black people that we saw the likes under President Woodrow Wilson, one of the most violent racists ever to be in the White House. These people are hell-bent on going after their enemies.
Starting point is 01:49:50 They've made it clear. And so they will go after those of us in the media who have been calling them into account. There are people out here who could be playing games. No, these are not games. This is not, oh, man, you just trying to sit here, you know, and trying to hype this up for Biden-Harris. No, do understand,, you just trying to sit here, you know, and trying to hype the seat for Biden-Harris.
Starting point is 01:50:06 No, do understand, those judges in the 8th Circuit, they want more people like that. Those 5th Circuit judges that are hardcore MAGA down there, they want more of those people. These people do not want to see Black advancement. Don't even play games with this election, folks. You know, I really enjoyed watching that content. It kind of reminds me almost like Awkward Black Girl. It looked like that was the inspiration behind some of it, especially with the talking and reflecting in the mirror. For those who don't know what Awkward Black Girl is, Issa Rae developed a YouTube series before her show got picked up on HBO and became insecure. I think organic content where everyday people are just talking about their experiences,
Starting point is 01:50:54 I think that's what it's going to take in order for either candidate to win next year. It's not going to just be the typical push money on MSNBC or CNN or NBC or through like some of the traditional outlets, but it requires going to where people want to think and where they're looking for content. With some of the young people, the college students that I work with, they push so much civics information on TikTok because TikTok is the number one search engine for people under 30 years old. And those are the people that we really need to get out to vote, because they understand that they don't like what's going on in this country, and they're willing to actually do something about
Starting point is 01:51:36 it. We just have to get them to go from just online activism to actually showing up to vote, because it's going to be that important. And finally, every election cycle, we say, oh, this is the most important election of your life. What we need to say now is every single time there's an opportunity to vote, you need to vote because it's that important. We need to just call the thing a thing. Every single election is important in this country, especially going into 2024. I mean, again, look, folks can sit here and, oh, yeah, you trying to do scare tactics. This is real, Julianne.
Starting point is 01:52:15 I don't think people understand. These people are saying, Trump is saying, I'm going to pardon every single January 6th person. You know, Roland, these are not scare tactics. As you said, it's real. If you just did a grid, what Biden-Harris stands for, what Trump stands for, there is no contest. But what's frustrating, especially now
Starting point is 01:52:44 with the Middle Eastern situation, is you've got so many young people who basically are, they're so frustrated by the lack of a ceasefire, as an example, that they're prepared to either not vote at all or, some, vote for the orange man. And I've had several conversations with young Palestinians in the past couple of weeks, and frankly, they don't get it. I understand how they feel about the ceasefire. I think we all do.
Starting point is 01:53:12 I think a ceasefire would be very, very important. And President Biden, of course, he's ride-or-die Israel, and that's a problem. That is a problem. But at the same time, imagine if you think he's ride or die, look at what the orange man has done regarding the Middle East. And so basically it's almost repugnant to think of someone choosing not to vote. But there are so many people who are so angry. The thing about younger folks, they are basically operating out of their feelings, not out of facts. And when I think about it, I mean, my first vote was in 1972. I was not in love with George McGovern, but he was the better candidate. I was not in love with John Kerry in 2004, but I didn't have to be. I wasn't going to be making out with him. I mean, basically,
Starting point is 01:54:11 he was the better candidate. And so I wish I could get our young people to stop operating out of emotion and operate out of facts and say, this is the better candidate. No candidate is perfect. Democrats are not perfect. But this plantation crap, and that's what it is, it's crap. The people keep talking about, we're on a plantation. No, like you said, you're not a slave, you're not enslaved, you're not about to be a slave.
Starting point is 01:54:35 That fool that you had on the air was on a plantation. And it was called the Trump plantation. No, actually, he's from the mental hospital. I'm a Congo. I think that when it comes down to it, we, man, it's sad because when I'm watching the news and everything now, I'm seeing, like, you know, these other media networks, they want Trump, you know? They want the drama.
Starting point is 01:55:01 They want the stories. They want the ratings, you know, get more town halls and the drama. They want the stories. They want the ratings. Get more town halls and the like. And the challenge is that people who don't know because they haven't either lived in dictatorships or visited countries where there are dictators or they haven't studied the history like we have, they don't understand what's fully coming. And so they don't really take it as serious as they should. You know, The Washington Post has their motto, you know, the democracy dies in darkness. It doesn't. It dies right in the light of day. It dies right in front of you. It dies with people who are sycophants, you know, just like these Trump supporters and these Republican senators and Congress folks, just like with Hitler during the Holocaust and the like. It dies with people who are willing to turn the other cheek because they feel like they're going to stay comfortable in their particular space and no one's going to get to them.
Starting point is 01:55:45 And we know that that's going to be wrong as well. And so we really have to have a real groundswell. Like when you've had, you know, Black Voters Matters and different projects, you know, that's what people need to see. And people need to reshare that content because, like Rebecca was saying, when we have that one-to-one, and some of your other guests in prior weeks have said that one-to-one focus groups, you know, contact, that's when people are actually going to get out there and be influenced because the way the media is portraying Biden is too old and all of that. No one's going to get the message from a CNN or anything like that, that they should get out and vote for Biden.
Starting point is 01:56:16 It's going to be one-on-one. And so the fishers of the world who are out there trying to soil the pot, Donald Trump just needs to get a few people here and there to knock him off because he's not trying to get 50 plus one. He's just trying to shrink Biden's base. And as of today, it's working, but I'm optimistic that with the continued push that we're having and other groups are having, that we're not going to let it happen. But if we sleep, it's a wrap.
Starting point is 01:56:39 And folks, remember, he won by 77,000 votes in 2016. Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, 77,000 votes. That's what he won by. Got to go to a break. We come back. NFL, they are launching a hip-hop series that sounds real familiar to a show that one of the brothers who's suing them
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Starting point is 01:58:36 Now, I told y'all I'm always paying attention even while the show is live. Well, a few moments ago, a tweet came up and I saw it. And this is from Jim Trotter. He was with the Athletic, who was suing the NFL Network. He said, the NFL should be ashamed.
Starting point is 01:58:55 We created the Huddle & Flow podcast on our own, but stopped doing it after management refused to share any revenue despite bringing in a six-week sponsor for $250,000. Today, the league announced a content series playing off the name we created. And so the NFL and Universal Music Enterprises announced the content series called Football and Flow. And it's supposedly celebrating 50 years of hip-hop.
Starting point is 01:59:24 And so they plan on featuring Rakim, Hit-Boy, and Ludacris. Joining us right now is Jim Trotter. Jim, boy, sounds real familiar to that highly successful podcast you and Sam Weiss were doing. Yeah, the three of us, three Howard grads, came up with the idea for that podcast. And, you know, if you understand the story of this podcast, you'll understand why it's kind of a sensitive subject. So in 2018, Steve Washington and I went to NFL Network Management and asked to do a podcast.
Starting point is 02:00:02 And we wanted it to be black-centric. We wanted it to be from our points of view, two Howard grads who view the league maybe a little bit differently than some others. We were never told no, but we were never told yes. And so the idea just died on a vine. Well, two years later, in the aftermath of the murder of George Floyd, the network comes back to us and says, oh, remember that podcast? Are you guys still interested in doing it? And so we knew what it was all about,
Starting point is 02:00:30 but we felt there was an opportunity to do some greater good there and to talk about subjects that we wanted to deal with. So we said, yeah, we'll do it. I don't think they expected it to be successful because they came to us more than a few times and were asking, how are you guys getting these guests on your show? Because literally we did everything. We booked our own
Starting point is 02:00:49 guests. We did our own research. We did the interviews. The only thing that the NFL did was take a link that we provided to them and post it on their website. So the podcast is doing really well. They come to us with six weeks left in the season and say, hey, there's a sponsor who wants to sponsor your show. Are you guys okay with it? And we said, well, who is it? They said, well, it's Intuit TurboTax. And I said, well, I'm not familiar with how all this works. Can you tell me what a sponsor pays?
Starting point is 02:01:20 And they said, well, in this case, it's $250,000. So we were like, wow, you know, we're not being paid to do this podcast. It was something we took on in addition to our regular responsibilities. So we said, man, we should ask, you know, if we can get a little bit of the revenue of this. Yeah. So, so hang on, I'm rolling. It gets better. So we, you know, I already know the story. Go ahead. Oh, I know. Well, I know, I know.
Starting point is 02:01:46 But let me give it to the folks. Go ahead, go ahead. So we go to the supervisor over the podcast and ask to set up a Zoom call so that we can talk to them about potentially getting a little bit of revenue. And I'm not even talking much here. I mean, just a little.
Starting point is 02:02:01 What, 10%? 25%? Not even that. Damn! I know, I know i know i know i know i should be slapped for that but i am speaking for me personally okay i wasn't even thinking about all that i'm just thinking about a little bit because right we're not being paid for this right so we get on this zoom call thinking that it's going to be with the supervisor of the podcast group unbeknownst to us, there are five other individuals on there, none of whom look like us, two of whom are the top two people at the NFL
Starting point is 02:02:32 media group. And one of them is like, he's got a little bit of a red ass, like we don't pay for podcasts. We're not paying you. You don't have any authority to go out and shop this show, yada, yada, yada. So I said to him, his name is David Jarenka. I said, David, first of all, I never said we were shopping this show or I was shopping this show. What I said to you was that people have come to us and asked us about getting our show on their platforms because they felt it could be successful in terms of generating revenue and everyone, it's a win-win. And he told me, well, if people are interested in the show, have them talk to us, but you don't have the authority to go out and shop that. So I said, you know what?
Starting point is 02:03:13 In my mind, fine. I ended it there. When we got off the call, I told Steve Weiss and Thomas Warren both, I said, when these six weeks are up, I'm going to be a professional and finish this out. When they are up, I am done. I am not working for free for these folks knowing they're bringing in this money. If you two want to continue, feel free. But I'm done.
Starting point is 02:03:34 So when the six weeks were up, we stopped. The show ended. Subsequent to that, we find out a couple of weeks later that the NFL had cut a deal with iHeartRadio to sell all of its podcasts and put them on the iHeart platform and included our show's name in that press release, but it never told us about it. So that didn't leave a good taste. Now today, I get a message showing me this, where they have now created a content series called Football and Flow. And I'm just like, have you no shame? I mean, if you want to do the series, that's fine. But you're going to play off a name that we created,
Starting point is 02:04:12 one that you never paid us for, and you're going to feel good about that? I'm sorry, Rowan. I mean, it's almost comical, you know? If it weren't for the NFL having no shame in this, it would almost be comical you know if it weren't if it weren't for the nfl having no shame in this it would almost be comical see again and this is the thing that i mean a perfect example uh three howard graduates three african-americans create something they had no interest in all of a sudden it takes off y'all are having these fantastic conversations, and then they're like, oh, we can get paid. Yes. And so they want to go out.
Starting point is 02:04:50 But not you. Yeah. We can get paid, but not you. Right. So basically, they wanted y'all to be sharecroppers. Right. Keep booking all these great guests. Keep doing all the work on your own time.
Starting point is 02:05:01 On our own time. We're going to make all the money and damn y'all. And now they wanna come back with three well known folks in hip hop. And do understand I've already sent a text message to six different rappers. I used to have Rakim's number. I got ludicrous
Starting point is 02:05:17 some folks with him. I've already sent a text message saying, yo, y'all need to have a conversation with this because you're participating in something that was created. So and I told them we're discussing this. So hopefully they see this because this is where and again, I'm always talking about how we have to have black solidarity. This is where black folks have to say, oh, hold up.
Starting point is 02:05:39 Y'all going to do my man, my man wrong. And you think you're going to have me not win participating? Look, without getting ahead of myself, there is a project I'm working on that speaks to that point. And I'm with you 100% on that. This is just wrong. I mean, it's just shameful. Like I said,
Starting point is 02:06:00 if you want to do this content series, I have no issue with that. Free to do that. Free country. But you're going't play off something we created because you're not creative enough or original enough to come up with your own show name. I mean, it just doesn't sit right. And the sad part is about this role. And when I talk about this hostile culture within the NFL towards blacks in particular, black men, this is part of what I am talking about, where we asked for a meeting with the head of the podcast group and are ambushed on a Zoom call with five other people, all white, including the two supervisors from the NFL media group. And one of them is, you can tell, a little bothered that we have come to them asking to share revenue in our
Starting point is 02:06:47 own show. That's what we're dealing with here when I talk about that culture of hostility towards blacks. You want us to be seen, but not heard. You want to make money off of our labor, but you don't want to share it with us. I'm not okay with that. Well, I saw the tweet. I said, Carol, get Jim on the phone. I wanted to, you know, again, put this out there. And I can't wait. Like I say, I mean, there are about eight prominent folks in rap music who I've hit. And I'm about to send out about six others because, and I'm hopeful that Ludacris, Rakim, Hit-Boy, one or all three will reach out.
Starting point is 02:07:34 And then I want to connect because they need to hear this directly from you because this is where, again, where I believe, just like the brother we just had on who the co-captain of the Montgomery Brawl, Riverfront Brawl, he got hit with some charters. He don't have an attorney. Boom, I call Ben Crump. Let's get this man an attorney. This is where black people have to say,
Starting point is 02:07:55 I'm going to stand with that black person who was in their battle, and I'm not going to let them benefit off of my celebrity. And so I'm hopeful once they hear this, they will tell the NFL, uh-uh. Take my name, nix this, because that's absolutely wrong. I appreciate you, Roland. Jim, appreciate it, man. Thanks a lot.
Starting point is 02:08:16 Always, my friend. All right, folks. Going to a quick break. When I come back, we're going to talk about our Fit and Live Win segment, Diabetes. Greatly impacts African-Americans. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes.
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Starting point is 02:11:15 What can we do about it? You're watching Roller Barton Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Hatred on the streets, a horrific scene, a white nationalist rally that descended into deadly violence white people are losing their damn mind there's an angry pro-trump mob storm to the u.s
Starting point is 02:11:37 capital we're about to see the rise of what i call white minority resistance we have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial. This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson at Emory University
Starting point is 02:12:02 calls white rage as a backlash. This is the wrath of the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys. America, there's going to be more of this. Here's all the Proud Boys, guys. This country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and its attitudes because of the fear of white people. The fear that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're taking our women. This is white people. Hey, what's up? It's Tammy Roman.
Starting point is 02:12:42 Hey, it's John Murray, the executive producer of the new Sherri Shepherd Talk Show. It's me, Sherri Shepherd, and you know what you're watching, Roland Martin Unfiltered. All right, folks, African-Americans have a greater risk of getting diabetes. It impacts us in a really significant way. More than 34 million Americans live with diabetes. Approximately one in three U.S. adults are at high risk of developing type 2 diabetes. African-Americans 60 percent more likely to do so. Chantel Collette, Carter Williams. She is someone who believes in speaking out about this. She no longer no longer is taking medication for this and she is no longer showing signs of type 2 diabetes.
Starting point is 02:13:43 Glad to have you here. So so we hear this and I've no longer showing signs of type 2 diabetes. Glad to have you here. So we hear this and I've seen these stories. People are like, oh no, once you get it, you always have it and you're going to have to be on medication. You say not true. No, not necessarily. So for me, I was at the brink of a health collapse when I was actually diagnosed. I had recently had a stroke and a heart attack. So that already was a wake up call for me. And so desperately seeking out help and having a doctor that really advocated for me, she decided to put me on GLP-1 medicines because I was at the I was my A1C was 6.5%. And so already having a heart attack and stroke, my risks were already doubled, right? So they tell you that stage two diabetes or
Starting point is 02:14:35 stage one diabetes already puts you at risk for stroke and heart attack. But for me, I've already been there. So being put on the medication, the GLP-1, which was Ozempic, which is a really popular medication right now, I was able to lose 100 pounds, took a transformation, a whole transformation in my lifestyle. And now I'm here with the A1C of 5.3%. You know, and, you know, first of all, you've got a bunch of people running around and using Ozempic as a diet drug. And it's actually preventing people who really, really, really need it from being able to access it. Yeah, I understand. I understand. Now, I don't get in people's business business why they choose to get on a particular medication.
Starting point is 02:15:25 But I know that the medication worked for me. Like I said, I was severely obese, morbidly obese, stroke, heart attack, couldn't get any, what do you say, biiatric surgery. All of that was out the door. So the next thing with me, like I said, being pre-diabetic, now I'm at stage two diabetes, that was my only way out. And what we don't realize is that when we get at a certain age, weight loss, exercise, all those things, in combined with health conditions, make it a lot harder for us. Questions? Let's see here. Makongo, you first.
Starting point is 02:16:08 Ms. Carter-Williams, I really commend you on the success and what you're doing in terms of being on this journey. What do you say to people who feel like they are so hopeless in terms of they're stuck with this and may not, and you talked about some of the resources people may not have, but are there things that you would recommend in addition to the diet and exercise that people may not have a great deal of resources can start to do right now
Starting point is 02:16:35 to kind of turn this direction? Because you just mentioned that so many people think they're just hopeless. Once you got it, it's a wrap. Yeah, absolutely. I thought I was hopeless. Listen, you have a heart attack and a stroke. What else can happen? And when my doctor told me that, hey, you are really
Starting point is 02:16:53 on death row. If you don't get ahead of yourself with this, I really started advocating for myself. I started doing the research. I started, you know, picking up health books, making sure that I eat right, researching my family history, and just making sure that not only do I hold myself accountable, I hold everybody around me accountable. You know, my children, my husband, and make sure that we're eating right, we're exercising. And like I said, talking to our doctors. We also have to make sure that we talk to our doctors and hold our doctors accountable. I'm all about being the CEO of your health. So I consider doctors your workabies. And so you pay them for a reason. You pay those co-pays for a reason. So talk to your doctor. Talk about your concerns. As long as you're living, as long as you're breathing,
Starting point is 02:17:42 it is not too late to get started. Julianne. Data suggests that 5 million African-Americans either have been diagnosed with diabetes or undiagnosed with diabetes. Part of the reason so many are undiagnosed is because we don't go to the doctor regularly. What do you do? What do you say to people who, especially brothers, Black men are far less likely to go to the doctor than Black women are. What do you say to folks who don't go to the doctor because they're afraid? They don't want to know what's happening. What do you say to them? So I'm a comedian first. So I tell people, if you don't like going to the doctor, then you must like getting in. You don't have a problem stepping into a casket.
Starting point is 02:18:28 You have to be you. You have to talk to people and really meet them where they are. I know a lot of people are, you know, I hear all this. You don't know what you don't know. I'd rather just fall out and all this extra stuff. You know, you just got to meet people where they are and talk to them about their health. I hold people accountable. I advocate. I, you know, I talk about it on my, on my, my, my TikTok page. I talk to about, talk to it, talk to people about it on my Instagram page and just make people aware and that they can, you know, speak up for themselves and that they can, and that if, if they don't take care of themselves, then, you know, you're just, you're decreasing your life expectancy, and you want to be here. You want to be here, and you want to live longer.
Starting point is 02:19:13 And in order to do that, you have to, again, be the CEO of your health. Rebecca. So, first, thank you for being here tonight to talk about this. 13 years ago, my mom died prematurely from complications with diabetes. She was only 58 years old. She ended up developing end-stage renal failure, so she was on kidney dialysis. She lost her eyesight, and she was also an amputee because of diabetes. Unfortunately, she was in Nebraska.
Starting point is 02:19:43 She didn't have a culturally competent health care team. So can you talk more about resources that those who might be at risk for diabetes or are actually pre-diabetic or have been diagnosed as diabetic, can you talk about resources and the types of questions that they should be asking for and from their healthcare team? Like talk more about what it means to be a CEO of your own health. Yeah, absolutely. Well, first, I'm not a doctor. So some of those questions I really can't answer.
Starting point is 02:20:15 But as far as me, like I said, just being accountable, being able to research what's out there. There are a lot of nonprofit organizations out there, one of them the National Black Heart Association, that actually goes into the community and meet people where they are, knock on doors, go to churches to make sure that people are holding themselves accountable. You don't know what you don't know. And even for me, I have to speak on not only being diabetic and also being someone who battled with heart disease. We can't take just one opinion.
Starting point is 02:20:52 If you're not okay with what your doctor is saying, find another doctor. I went eight years misdiagnosed. So I know how hard that is. I know how hard it is as a woman of color, being a double minority to talk to a doctor about what's going on with me. But I just say keep advocating. Look at the resources that are online. Just talk to your doctor. It's really important to talk to your doctor. Know your risks. Know your family risks. That's one start. I did not know that my family was, you know, had diabetes, was at risk for diabetes. We didn't have those conversations. And I think
Starting point is 02:21:34 as a community, we have to have those conversations. We have to sit down with our family members, with our friends and find out what's going on with them. I remember going to the doctor and saying, the doctor and saying, the doctor's like, hey, risk for diabetes, nope. Risk for heart disease, nope. It's because I didn't know. And once I started having those conversations and opening up that dialogue and even talking about my symptoms online, people are like, hmm, well, I'm having these symptoms too. Let me go to the doctor. Let me ask more questions. You know, I think it's just, like I said, you just have to meet people where they are and you just have to be willing to
Starting point is 02:22:11 advocate for yourself. Being a CEO of your body is advocating for yourself, taking total control of everything that's going on with you. All right then. Well, we appreciate your advocacy and hopefully folks will take it to heart and and be sure that they get checked. Thank you, Roland. I appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Folks, we go back. Can we come back? A black man laid to rest properly in Mississippi by his family after he was hit and killed. But after the cop him a few months ago, we'll show you that also. Mourning the loss of a mega preacher who lost all of it
Starting point is 02:22:56 when he said there was no hell. Bishop Carlton Pearson is now an ancestor. You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Blackstar Network. When you talk about blackness and what happens in black culture, you're about something that is a matter of a future. On the next Get Wealthy with me, Deborah Owens, have you ever had a million-dollar idea and wondered how to bring it to life? Well, it's all about turning problems into opportunities. On our next Get Wealthy, you'll learn of a woman who identified the overload bag syndrome, and now she's taking that money to the bank through global sales
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Starting point is 02:24:37 Yo, it's your man, Deon Cole from Black-ish. And you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. Folks, today in Mississippi, a black man was properly laid to rest months after he was struck and killed by an off-duty cop in Jackson, Mississippi. They never told his family about it. Family members, loved ones of Dexter Wade, attended the funeral for the 37-year-old man, again fatally struck by an off-duty cop on March 5th. He was buried for more than five months before authorities notified the family. Reverend Alice Sharpton delivered the eulogy. Wade's mother, Betterstein Wade Robertson, accused the county and police of a cover-up after it took more than five months for her to be informed of her son's death, despite having reported him missing
Starting point is 02:25:28 on March 14th to Jackson Police, nine days after she last heard him. Family attorney Ben Crump has continued to call for the U.S. Department of Justice to investigate the Jackson Police Department's handling of Wade's death. © BF-WATCH TV 2021 He was one of the biggest stars in the evangelical community. If you watch TBN in the 1980s and 90s, you saw Bishop Carlton, Pills Pearson everywhere. He built a megachurch there in Tulsa, Oklahoma, was always seen at various Oral Roberts events where he graduated from.
Starting point is 02:26:52 He was personally selected by Oral Roberts as a leader. He created these Azusa conferences where people from all over the world attended those. All of that came crumbling down when he rejected the idea of hell and also supported gay rights. That led to him being defrocked. People simply called him a heretic. He was attacked left and right, and all of that came crumbling down,
Starting point is 02:27:23 and actually it was the focus of a movie as well. Pearson passed away from cancer. He beat cancer 20 years ago. It came back quickly. Recently died in hospice care in Tulsa, surrounded by his family. He was just 70 years old. In 1981, he founded Higher Dimensions Family church in Tulsa, later known as New Dimensions. Membership more than 6,000. Membership plummeted to a few hundred by 2008 after Pearson
Starting point is 02:27:53 began teaching what he called the gospel of inclusion, a form of universalism that does not recognize hell. He survived by his mother, a son, a daughter, and his former wife. So many people have been outpouring, talking about, again, his passing, Bernice King, among others, Bishop T.D. Jakes. Bishop Jakes actually posted on social media that it was Pearson who invited him to Azusa. He was not well-known by lots of folks, but by going to that conference, that's what allowed him to be able to build what eventually turned into Woman Thou Art Loosed. And he talked about that.
Starting point is 02:28:37 John P. Key last week posted about going to visit Bishop Carlton Pearson as he was transitioning. His family warned folks last week that he was nearing death. When I saw that story, called him as well, left him a voicemail. It was two years ago, and we were in Tulsa for the 100th anniversary of the race riot there. Pearson was back in Tulsa, and we had an opportunity to chat with him. I want to talk to someone, long time pastor here, very well known in Tulsa, Bishop Carlton Pearson. Bishop, step right on over here. Glad to see you. How you doing? Good to see you, man. I'm good. Good to see you as well. Let's talk about, you know, this issue, what it means for this community. What does it mean in terms of this? Yes. Commemoration.
Starting point is 02:29:42 I want to call it celebration as someone who has spent years here in Tulsa. Well, this is drama, what you see today. But what we're dealing with is trauma, PTSD. We've been traumatized as a culture. A hundred years ago today, the buildings, we saw smoke and bloodied bodies. Over 300, we're still finding them, unmarked graves. That same deadly negative spirit that kept it a secret for a hundred years. It was a conspiracy of silence of how that could happen. I have relatives
Starting point is 02:30:11 that moved away from Oklahoma when this thing happened in 1921, moved out to California where I was born. But that same deadly negative energy, we saw it on January 6th of domestic white, angry, mob-minded rac minded racist many of them hiding behind their Bibles and in their churches in this city this is the buckle of the Bible belt it should have happened here but it's continuing in spirit in so many ways there's a lot of non black people who love us care and who are with us but that same undergirding lying spirit is still alive and we have to not only confront it but combat it one of the things
Starting point is 02:30:46 that we keep hearing from folks here and that is they want to ensure that the people here are getting the economic um um compensation that they say they deserve this was this was an area that was black owned there were black restaurants There were black restaurants. There were black hotels. There were numerous black businesses. There were all types of homes, fine homes here as well. And so here you have the city building a museum. They're going to open it, a $20 million facility, $30 million facility on Wednesday. And what you're still dealing with is the fact that Tulsa and the state of Oklahoma still refuses to provide resources, direct resources to the descendants and the survivors. And I keep saying the federal
Starting point is 02:31:31 government set up billions of dollars for a 9-11 victim compensation fund. Yeah. Yeah. Nothing for the people here. And you have actual survivors who are still with us. Yes. Well, they did it. They did something for the Japanese. They did something for the Native Americans. They've ignored African Americans. Just the insurance. Most of these buildings were insured. And the insurance companies refused to pay. They refused.
Starting point is 02:31:55 If we... You don't just repay, you repair and you replace. Everybody's only thinking about money. We need to build this whole street back up with black. Again, you can see that on our YouTube channel last week, Bishop Carlton Pearson posted this message on YouTube, which he said to his followers would be his final word. To my beloved weekly streaming consciousness friends, fans, partners, whatever, followers, I love you. I cherish you. I respect you, honor you, have needed you all along
Starting point is 02:32:46 to be the audience to let me sound off on. I've done a lot of thinking out loud and you've eavesdropped on a lot of it. But I knew you were there and I appreciate it very, very much. Thank you for all your giving, all your loving, all your generosity, all of your expressions of concern, care, compassion, sometimes sympathy. It's all been there. And you've all inaugurated it on your own.
Starting point is 02:33:27 So this will be probably one of the last times you'll see me like this. As I may be closing some things out, but I'll never close you out in consciousness. I'll never stop thinking of who you are and why you are and how somehow we were divinely drawn together in this divine intersection of lives. But I feel you and I hope you feel me
Starting point is 02:33:58 even when I'm in heaven or on the other side or in the other iteration. I'll be thinking of you. I'll be thinking of you i'll be thinking of you thinking of you that's an old andre kraut song and uh i think he meant it from his heart and i know a minute from mine i mean it from mine so stay faithful stay focused, stay committed, keep looking up and looking out. And my mom, dad says, stay prayerful and stay, stay prayerful, what did they say? Stay, be careful and prayerful is what they used to say.
Starting point is 02:34:42 They still say, mama says, and she was here tonight, here in my hospice room. Stay prayerful and stay careful. And the Lord bless you and the Lord be with you. It's been great talking to you. Some of you have been here the whole 15 years or so since Chicago, since I started going on. Others of you were new and you're gonna go,
Starting point is 02:35:11 but there's a lot of tremendous many women that I've encountered who are going to be speaking on this program too. Malachi will be hosting some of them, carrying on the work, bringing in more exciting things. And we'll grow. We've got to grow. We've got to keep on growing, because that's what we're called to do.
Starting point is 02:35:34 All right. I'm a little exhausted, but know that I love you and wanted you to hear from my own voice how deeply appreciative I am of who you are and that you are. Peace and blessing. Julian, he lost a whole lot. I mean, I don't think people really understand how huge Bishop Carlton Pearson was in the evangelical world. A constant presence on TBN. But when he talked about the gospel of inclusion, everything went tumbling down.
Starting point is 02:36:19 Well, people are afraid of inclusion, Roland. As you know, we see it right here in this country. We've talked about, you know, we've talked about the election and what's going on with the election. And so people are afraid of inclusion. They prefer to have their own little silos. The other thing that people are afraid of, he basically said there was no hell. Well, hell is a religious concept that tries to keep people in line. And a lot of people are not trying to be in line. And I think that would be quite revolutionary for him to say that he didn't believe in hell.
Starting point is 02:36:51 So this was a revolutionary theologian who basically, as you say, lost a lot because he had the courage to put his beliefs out there. Rebecca, there were friends, there were other preachers. He wasn't invited into pulpits. I mean, he was, I mean, if you want to talk about a scarlet letter, I mean, he was completely ostracized by the evangelical community. And again, there were a lot of white evangelicals who really were around him, but black preachers as well, places he just couldn't no longer go to. So I've shared this before with your audience. I grew up, I was fourth generation Kojic.
Starting point is 02:37:38 Kojic is church, God and Christ. It's one of the denominations that was founded and came out of the early 1900 Azusa Street revival that lasted here out in Los Angeles for a couple of years. So, you know, I'm very familiar with the bishop. May he transition well with the ancestors. I'm glad he's at rest. But yeah, there are a lot of people who fell out with him because they just couldn't fathom that he was questioning parts of theology that for some folks are still under some debate. So I'm glad that he was able to talk in his own words and that he had dignity in how he said his goodbye. So may he rest well with the ancestors. He later joined a church in Houston, excuse me, in Chicago, Dr. Johnny Coleman on Macongo.
Starting point is 02:38:40 And he was as a minister there. And again, they said he was a heretic. I mean, that was that was a literal one year review where he had to go for the Pentecostal bishops and defend his position. And they declared his his thoughts and ideas to be absolutely dangerous. And how easy would it have been to just say whatever the people wanted him to say? I mean, Dr. King said, you know, I'd rather see a good sermon than hear one. And he lived it. And not only did he, you know, get penalized for his belief as it relates to, you know, not believing in hell, but as you mentioned earlier, you know, his support of the LGBTQ community and being ahead of his time. And it really comes down to it. It's like,
Starting point is 02:39:25 how much do you really want to stand on your convictions? How much are you really willing to lose? And so as he's laid to rest, as a mother has to, you know, lay her child to rest, we have to look at this man in his totality because he wanted everybody to be looked at in their totality as well. And so I'm really glad that you, you know, this whole show has been a tribute to what the power of Black media could be, to tell the stories the way it needed to be told, about 30-second clips here and there. And he deserved the time that you gave him tonight. And so I applaud him for his convictions, his willingness to be able to stand up when everybody was trying to tear him down. Some people who are catching up with him now, particularly as
Starting point is 02:40:03 relates to some of their support, the LGBTQ community, not enough with the evangelical community, of course, for reasons we know why, but he stood strong and we're going to continue to stand and lift him up because we stand on his shoulders. Um, uh, I, you heard me say folks, that, uh, Chiwetel Ejiofor played him in a movie. The movie was called Come Sunday. It was on Netflix. I'm trying to pull it up. Do you have it there, folks?
Starting point is 02:40:37 Let me see. Give me just one second. I had it up for a second. I'm going to pull it back up. And like I say, his story was told in this movie. And as I said, Chiwetel Ejiofor played Bishop Carlton Pearson. So check this out. This I know, for the Bible tells me so. Little ones, to him belong. They are weak, but he is strong.
Starting point is 02:41:14 You were called, Carlton. I still believe that. The world needs to get saved! Lift them up and say hallelujah! Hallelujah! Say I'm a soldier! I'melujah. Say I'm a soldier. My comfort and my joy is knowing that you're here to lead the way. Half the people I grew up with, they're all going in the wrong direction.
Starting point is 02:41:43 Do you believe God's talk to me? What does it matter what anyone you believe God spoke to me? What does it matter what anyone thinks? It matters to me. People have been saying that I stopped believing in hell. I heard a voice say, everyone's already saved. No, you can't just rewrite the Bible. I'm not rewriting anything. I'm just rereading it.
Starting point is 02:42:03 You speak the word of God in this church. That God loves us all. Why didn't you call me? You owe me that much. Terrence, my son, you need to consider everything you're putting at risk, and not just for yourself. You don't need to be saved. You don't know that.
Starting point is 02:42:23 I don't know how you't know that. You want proof it wasn't God's voice you heard? Half our congregation walking out, that was it. Either you're with me or you're not. You come in there telling us we are wrong and you are right. It's false doctrine you're preaching. Are you certain it was love's voice you heard? I've never been more sure of anything in my life.
Starting point is 02:43:14 And I'm not backing down. Mr. Carlton Pearson, folks, an ancestor at the age of 70, also yesterday. Former First Lady Rosalind Carter passed away at the family home in Plains, Georgia. She had entered into hospice care early, late last week. Of course, President Jimmy Carter, former President Jimmy Carter, he's been in hospice care almost a year. They were married 77 years. Of course, she was a huge, huge fighter on behalf of mental health. That was one of the issues that she advocated for. Again, she was 96 years old. A lot of folks often overlook, Julianne, the importance of First Ladies. But when you look at the emphasis on mental health with her, you look at Betty Ford when it came to substance abuse. I mean, we're talking about two of the biggest issues that we still deal with in this country that were actually led and pushed by first ladies.
Starting point is 02:44:08 And I think that Rosalind Carter basically redefined the role of first lady. She basically laid it out for folks like, frankly, Hillary and Michelle Obama in terms of transcending, you know, the garden party type thing that Jackie Kennedy did or Lady Burr Johnson. She really basically grappled with substance, which is really important. She will absolutely be missed. And, of course, you think about President Carter, because the two of them were together for so long. This may be the longest, you know, this may be the longest time he's going to be alone
Starting point is 02:44:42 for a while, just alone with his beloved wife not at his side. But she was quite a lady. I worked at the White House during the Carter administration, the Council of Economic Advisers as a junior staff member. And I remember meeting her on many occasions. One of the things about her that was so cool, she would occasionally come through the old executive office building and just walk through and say hi to people. It was just a gracious touch, but she was a gracious lady. Rebecca. I mean, Dr. J just summed it up,
Starting point is 02:45:14 especially with having those personal experiences. But yes, Mrs. Carter definitely redefined what it meant to be first lady. I definitely celebrate her advocacy with mental health issues. We've all, you know, we all have people in our family, if not ourselves, who are dealing with mental health issues in its various forms. So I appreciate that that was elevated. And, you know, may she also rest in peace. Omokongo. We're talking about another person who was ahead of their time. I mean, they were 77 years.
Starting point is 02:45:52 She was 18 and he was 21 when they were together. And, you know, they've been partners. When you look at their foundations, you know, both their names are there together. She was an advisor, you know, not just, you know, like a bedroom advisor. We're talking like in cabinet meetings. I mean, so from everything from the humanitarian side to the being a revolutionary as it relates to pioneering mental health when enough people were not talking about it and just really making sure that she was someone who was going to be looked at for her service, for her caring for the community, but also someone who was going to be respected for her political mind, dealing with all of the sexism that came with that.
Starting point is 02:46:28 She was a pioneer in many ways. And I really hope that after all of the tributes are done, that people actually take a real look at what she did and what she accomplished. Because like Dr. Malvo said, she revolutionized what it meant to be First Lady. And I think many people are thankful for that. So definitely praying that she rests in peace as well. Absolutely. The Carter Center actually put out a video that was titled The First Lady of Mental Health. And so I want to share that. So go to my iPad. Not sure why we're not getting sound here.
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