#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Texas Redistricting Battle Rages; Gov. Newsom's 'Election Rigging' Measure; Trump Pushes PragerU

Episode Date: August 15, 2025

8.14.2025 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Texas Redistricting Battle Rages; Gov. Newsom's 'Election Rigging' Measure; Trump Pushes PragerU In Texas, the redistricting battle continues. Top state Republicans ...have announced they'll adjourn the current special legislative session early this Friday--only to immediately gavel in a brand new session that same day. We'll speak with several Texas state representatives about what's really going on and what's next. California Governor Gavin Newsom hosted a live press conference featuring multiple state officials to announce the launch of the Election Rigging Response Act--a proposed ballot measure aimed at countering Republican-led redistricting efforts in Texas. Also tonight, Prosecutors in Florida have announced they will not pursue charges against the sheriff's deputy involved in the controversial arrest of William McNeil Jr. We'll break down what this decision means. Plus, outrage is growing over Donald Trump's replacement for PBS--a controversial animated video produced by PragerU. The video features a cartoon Christopher Columbus claiming "slavery was no big deal."  And as Social Security celebrates its 90th anniversary, President Trump has signed a proclamation from the Oval Office, promising to "always defend Social Security" while touting a new tax cut for seniors. Uh huh... we've got a few thoughts on that. BlackStarNetwork partner: Fanbasehttps://www.startengine.com/offering/fanbase This Reg A+ offering is made available through StartEngine Primary, LLC, member FINRA/SIPC.  This investment is speculative, illiquid, and involves a high degree of risk, including the possible loss of your entire investment. You should read the Offering Circular (https://bit.ly/3VDPKjs (https://bit.ly/3ZQzHl0) related to this offering before investing. Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:14 AXS.com Folks, today's Thursday, August 14, 2025, coming up on Rollup, Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the Black Star Network. Are Texas House Democrats ready to give up their walkout? we'll talk to several Democratic lawmakers in Texas to find out what they are prepared to do but that seems to be the case. California, Gavin Newsom, he is ready to fight Republicans and he launches a major initiative
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Starting point is 00:03:28 Columbus discussing slaves. Oh, it's a lot to unpack. It's time to bring the funk on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Let's go. And when it breaks he's right on time And it's rolling Best believe he's knowing Putting it down from sports to news to politics With entertainment just for gigs He's rolling
Starting point is 00:03:57 It's uncle ro roo y'all It's rolling martin, yeah It's rolling martin, yeah Rolling with rolling now He's punky's fresh, he's real the best you know he's rolling martel now the fight of the racist gerrymandered maps in texas continues texas governor Greg abbott and republicans say they will end the first special session tomorrow and immediately gavel in a second special session now keep in mind
Starting point is 00:04:44 they should be focusing on flood relief in Texas because of what happened in Kerr County is some 100 and 30 people died. Nope, that's not what's important. What's important is kissing Donald Trump's ass and giving him five Republican districts. They've already redrawn the maps. Now, they have not voted on the maps in the House
Starting point is 00:05:02 because 51 Texas Democrats have walked out keeping them from having a quorum. Now, the other day, what took place in the Texas Senate? This took place, nine Democrats walked out in Texas, but to remain, allowing the Republicans to actually vote and approve those maps. Now, what makes no sense to me is why in the hell did those Democrats stay? Well, two of them explain why they stayed, and still to this day, I don't understand why they did because it makes absolutely no sense. I'm going to read their comments in just a moment. Let me welcome
Starting point is 00:05:44 a couple of folks to us. Texas legislated Black Caucus Chair Ron Reynolds joins us, also State Representative Charlene Johnson, glad to have both of you on the show. And also we have a state representative, Jolanda Jones. Let me first, must first talk with caucus chair, Ron Wills.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Cherry Emeritus. Cherry Meritus. Okay, Cherry Merediths, okay. So, y'all have been gone. Many of the folks in Illinois, some remained in Texas. They've not had a quorum. And I have been getting calls all day from folk back home in Texas. A number of state lawmakers, been talking to staff and A's, talking to civil rights leaders,
Starting point is 00:06:22 religious leaders. And what I've been told is that Democrats are going to give in. They are going to return to the Capitol and allow for the Republicans to have a quorum and allow for these seats for these districts to be changed. What is going on? Well, Bradford, it's always good to be with you. And you know, I'm going to keep it 100 with you. And I'm happy to be joined by two of my amazing colleagues,
Starting point is 00:06:46 Representative Charlene Warren Johnson, and Representative Jelana Jones. The Texas legislative Black Caucus has been ten toes down leading this fight. When we broke form, our goal was to stop the first call special session, raise the alarm bells to make sure that other states like California, New York, Illinois, that if Texas passed a racial gerrymander, that we would make sure that other states did the same damn thing. We want to stop the map. The ultimate goal, though, we knew that with Governor Abbott having the ability to call special session
Starting point is 00:07:22 at the special session at the special session, that we could only delay it so that our lawyers could be in a great position to then file injunctions in the court. And we've been working with our lawyers. I've been on the phone with attorney Gary Blitzell. I know Representative Jelana Jones has been communicating. We have gotten, I've been on the phone with working with Derek Johnson, the state, the national NACP president. We have LDF, the lawyer's defense fund, all ready to go to action if and when the maps are passed. We knew, realistically, that we could never kill it indefinitely because Governor Abbott could move, because Governor Abbott could move the primary date,
Starting point is 00:08:08 that's scheduled for March, he could go and have that primary date move back to May, June, July, and then, therefore, they would have more time to pass the map. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because here's the problem with that. The Supreme Court has consistently said
Starting point is 00:08:25 in numerous cases where maps are locked in to give the people an opportunity. In fact, when Alabama and Louisiana, when they voted on their racist maps, They voted on it, and they did that early in the year. In Louisiana, for instance, they approved their maps. This was back in 2022 or 2023.
Starting point is 00:08:48 They approved their maps early in the year. It was like February. Their primaries were in August. The general election was in November. The Supreme Court, where there was a legal challenge, Supreme Court said they were locked in. That has been very consistent. So what I don't understand is if you have,
Starting point is 00:09:06 now granted, that Supreme Court could do whatever they want. That's right, but you know that. Yes, but Supreme Court has been consistent in terms of locking maps in to give the voters an opportunity to vote properly. And so it's that,
Starting point is 00:09:21 so if Abbott wanted to try to push it to May or June, but then that meant that the primaries would be then still got a general and based upon what the Supreme Court has done before, that would not be enough time. So what I don't... Well, that's not my...
Starting point is 00:09:37 That's the advice of the attorneys that are supposedly the experts on redistricting, the constitutional attorneys. That is based on their advice. They want to be able to have the maps and time to be able to file the injunction to get injunctive relief in the court.
Starting point is 00:09:53 No, but here's the problem. Again, I need to understand here. I'm going based upon what we saw in Alabama, what we saw in Louisiana literally in the last five years. We saw this with the commissioners' race, in Galveston County, where when the maps were changed, the Supreme Court says if there is enough time
Starting point is 00:10:14 for there to be a lawsuit, which forces them to redraw the maps, then fine. But if there's not, then they lock it in place. What I don't understand is if you wait until, let's say, December, okay, right now. So that means, let's say y'all go back. Fine, on Monday. Within 30 seconds, they're going to approve the new maps.
Starting point is 00:10:34 Done. So now Thursday, I mean, you're talking about August 18th. That now means September, October, November, December. It's more than enough time. So that means they're going to lock in these maps. That means we're going to lose two black congressional districts. That means that every candidate that's filed to run for congressional 18 now has to figure out do they run against Congressman Al Green in the 9th district.
Starting point is 00:10:59 And so y'all are actually helping them with their cause because they can say, hey, it's enough time. They can now file. The voters know the district lines have changed. The primary isn't until March. We're good. Well, Roland, I think that what you're saying is plausible, but again, we're relying on
Starting point is 00:11:20 the experts of the attorneys. And on top of that, one of the main goals was to get California to get off of their ass and other blue states to get off their ass. I'm sorry. Representative Reynolds, I'm sorry. This is, This is the issue for me.
Starting point is 00:11:37 This is the issue that I have. I am 56 years old. My parents are from Texas. My grandparents, maternal, migrated from there. My paternal grandparents, my ancestry dates back to the 1800s in Texas. I have nine nieces, four nephews. My nephew just had a child. My niece has a child due in November.
Starting point is 00:11:56 All of them live in Texas. And the reality is Texas Democrats, Texas, member of the legislature, are elected to protect Texas. California can do what they want to do. Illinois can do what they want to do. Virginia, Maryland, but Texas is elected to represent Texas interests. Now, if Gavin Newsom does what he does, that's great.
Starting point is 00:12:16 But the reality is, how do you not fight? Y'all were out two weeks. The Montgomery bus boycott was 382 days. So are you saying that that's it? One session, you're ever going to go back? They were going to fight? I mean, I don't understand. I don't understand this.
Starting point is 00:12:33 Roland, I agree. disagree with you in principle because I'm a fighter. I believe in going to the balls to the walls. But unfortunately, with respect to the numbers, they're four members away from having quorum. We don't have a consensus of other members that we believe would hold out the entirety. And isn't that the problem? Well, then, how then can you go, how then? And this is a fundamental problem that Democrats face in Texas and the country. How can you? How can you? How, you should should be saying to those Democrats, how are we going to go to the voters and tell them to fight when we gave up?
Starting point is 00:13:11 They're not going to be welcoming y'all back as some conquering heroes. They're going to say y'all lost. Literally, it was no different than Senator Cory Booker standing there, speaking, breaking Strom Thurman's record. And when he was done, and they all clapped, they said, let's now move the motion. And then, so what do we have right now? We have people who say Democrats don't fight. We have people right now, Texas is unorganized.
Starting point is 00:13:32 You've got the most elected, the most eligible black voters in Texas than anywhere in the country. And on the watch of Democrats right now, we're going to see the loss of two black congressional districts. And I'm sorry, Representative Reynolds. I understand people being out. I understand family concerns. I understand financial concerns. But how can we tell voters we want you to fight and stand up and stand in line for five, six, seven, eight hours if Texas House Democrats will give in after two weeks? I'll pass it, but I want to say this.
Starting point is 00:14:04 If it was up to the people that were on this Zoom or if it was up to the legislative Black Caucus, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. Is the full Black Caucus? Will there be any member of the Black Caucus who shows up on Saturday or Monday to allow them to have a quorum? I don't believe that there will be on Saturday. I can't speak for it beyond Saturday, but I don't know.
Starting point is 00:14:26 Friday, Saturday. I'm going to tell you right now, if there is a single African American who shows. up to allow them to have a quorum, that person should be challenged, primary, and I'm telling you right now, should be defeated. Because what this is going to do is decimate black power in Texas. And I'm sorry, Representative Reynolds, look, but here's my problem, but here's my problem.
Starting point is 00:14:52 My mom and daddy, 78 years old, went to polling places, work campaigns, ran campaigns. I was seven years old passing out material at voting places. And I'll be damned if I'm going to give up this easy and impact my nieces and nephews because we know if we lose these two congressional districts, we will never see them again in my lifetime and if I could have the lifetime of my nieces and nephews. Brad, I feel you, bro. I know no need to apologize. I'm with you in spirit.
Starting point is 00:15:21 We're working with a group that's multifaceted, multiracial, not as progressive. They're people from different communities. and I feel your passion, and I'm with you, brother. I want to go all in. So we will continue to relay this message. I'm only communicating to you what was communicated to us. So just know that I'm a messenger, I'm an ambassador, and I am relaying to you the concerns of the attorneys
Starting point is 00:15:50 and others who've looked at the best strategies to proceed forward. What you're saying, I feel you. Right. No, no, no, no, wait, and I'm going to tell you right now. And let me make perfectly clear, if there is a single African-American who allows them to have a quorum, I will personally bring my show to their district and personally have a town hall in their district and have their voter speak against them. Representative Johnson, go ahead. Yes, I was just saying, Roland, you are singing to the choir right here. We are understanding what you're saying, and we started this, like Ron said, is beginning to fight this because it is our districts that are being impacted.
Starting point is 00:16:28 It is our voice has been impacted. We know that everybody may not be on the same page, but you're singing to the choir today. And what we cannot allow the Republicans to do is to make us attack each other. The Republicans are the enemies, not us. No, no, no, no, Representative Johnson, I'm sorry. The enemy are the Republicans
Starting point is 00:16:46 and the enemy are weak Democrats. That's the enemy. And what we find in Texas right now is that that's one of the fundamental... Listen, I'm still registered in Texas. Matter of fact, I am registered in Congressman Jackson. has been Crockett's district and what I'm saying is again here's a perfect example when nine this is a real this is real this is real simple for me nine Democrats
Starting point is 00:17:08 walked out in the Texas Senate if the other two had walked out they couldn't have passed the maps right so what I don't understand is why did the other two stay they could have walked out right but we did no no no no no but that's the perfect example I'm talking about if nine walked out and went to their office and they couldn't if they Two Democrats had also walked out Zaffirini and Chui Hinojosa. They couldn't have passed the maps. So what do they say? Oh, we stayed to fight.
Starting point is 00:17:38 No, you didn't. You stayed to lose. So you're going to go into their districts and to those two Democrats that stay? You're going to go in their district. You got damn right? I ain't got a problem of doing it. Because this is the problem. And I'm telling y'all, I'm telling you all right now,
Starting point is 00:17:54 black folks are saying, oh, Democrats, y'all want us to fight organized mobilized swing and put all the work and then when we do then you don't even have the gumption to force a second or a third session you give up after two weeks representative jones go ahead so i thousand percent agree with you let me let me know she's here we're here i'm a thousand percent in line with you i ain't gonna be there on saturday or monday let me be clear it if this is my respectful opinion if we go with them, we allow the people who are not losing seats, okay? People that are losing seats are black people, okay? They are losing seats, and we will never get them back. So I'm not going to make it easy for them to not be courageous. I'm just not. I think it's wrong.
Starting point is 00:18:48 I think that we can't ask our constituents to fight for us and we're not willing to fight for them. We had four special sessions in the 88th legislature. We've been here for not even two weeks. Monday will be two weeks. So we will not have even held out for two weeks. I don't know how my law practice is going to be when I get back from here. And I've got to figure that out. But right now, I always wanted to have a civil rights moment where I could show people who my grandmother and mom raised me to be. And this is that moment in time. I understand people have different reasons. for what they're doing, but I'm not going to do it. I literally woke up this morning crying. I woke up this morning crying because I, why would I let California do, but I can do my damn self? True story. And even if California is able to pass their maps, that doesn't stop CD. And let me be clear, my district, House District 147, has three of the districts in it.
Starting point is 00:19:52 I share constituencies with CD-9, with CD-18, and with CD-29, and I live in CD-18. My constituents will not have the opportunity to elect two or three people who think like us. And us spreading the word and getting the word out in California or Illinois or New York doing whatever it is they do. Doesn't change the fact that I ain't going to handle sufficient black representation in Houston where I live. and allow us to pick the person. And the same thing is true in Dallas. And so I'm not a sheet at all. I'm not going to just follow because that is like what people are saying to say,
Starting point is 00:20:33 you know, I'm willing to hold out as long as I need to. I know the Montgomery bus boycott lasted for over a year, right? People struggle. People had to figure out how to get to work. People lost their jobs. And this was for over a year because they understood that the only way to get white folks to pay attention was to hit them in the pocketbook. and they thought they could outlast us.
Starting point is 00:20:53 So you ain't got to worry about me. I ain't going nowhere. And let me be clear to anybody who says, I'm not team House Democratic Caucus. No, I'm team H-T-147. I'm team my constituents. My constituents are what matters. In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible.
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Starting point is 00:24:15 I ain't making no mistakes. I have, like I said, sometimes in life, decisions are hard. Sometimes in life, you've got to make them. And I make a decision to stand with my constituents. I'm not making a decision to make it easier for the Democrats to go back. And let me be clear, if we go back to the House, we are going to be slaughtered, okay? There are 88 of them and 62 of us. They don't listen to us. They shove stuff down our throats all session. Very, very, very, very, very bad bills, right? So when I fight, I'll
Starting point is 00:24:48 fight to win. I don't fight to win the messaging. I don't fight to end the session. My fight is to stop the maps. And if we stay with a quorum and back to the whole legal thing, let me be clear. If we stay till March or June, guess what?
Starting point is 00:25:05 There wouldn't be no maps to change the game. There would be no maps. There would be no maps. So the same districts that we have right now will still be in place if we stop them from doing it. Right. I'm a lawyer. I'm a That's legal fiction.
Starting point is 00:25:20 People can say stuff. I cannot let people feel me and tell me it's raided. I'm just not going to believe it. If we thought, if we stopped it, there would be no new maps for people to vote on, period, point blank. Friday, I had state representative Sophronia Thompson on, long-deserving house member ever. And we talked about Senator John Cornyn asking the FBI to come in and come after them. This is what she actually said about that. It's a civil warrant.
Starting point is 00:25:50 It's not a criminal warrant. And number three, Tom DeLay tried that in 2003 when we left and went to Artmo, Oklahoma. He wanted to send the FBI and pick us up and bring us back to Texas. And they did not get involved. And that was a Republican administration during that time as well. These are civil warrants and not criminal warrants. and they don't have to look for me. I don't tell them where I am.
Starting point is 00:26:17 I can set them on map and direction, driving direction and everything. They can locate me real well. Well, so here's my point here, Representative Reynolds. One of the things that Dr. King always talked about, that I need an antagonist to my protagonist. And the reason the movement did not succeed in Albany, Georgia, because the sheriff was smart. He was college educated.
Starting point is 00:26:43 But then he had, then he had, then they went against Jim Clark. They went against Bull Connor. Because he understood, I needed an antagonist. So this is what I don't understand. If I'm going to go back, let's say, let's say, I'm a House Democrat, and I'm going to go back. I ain't going to make it easy on him. I'm going to say, come get me. And matter of fact, if you come to my house, we're going to have the cameras there.
Starting point is 00:27:11 And I'm going to kneel in my front yard. and then you're going to have to physically put me in a card. But what I'm not going to do is willingly walk to the state capital. I'm not going to make it easy on them. I'm not going to make it hard on them. And so are you saying that to the other Democrats that we're going to make it easy? We're just going to walk back to Austin and think the people going to say, oh, glad to have y'all back.
Starting point is 00:27:40 The last two weeks was great. No, you've got to. to make it hard on them? What are Democrats in Texas doing to make it hard on them instead of making it easy walking back in? Well, Roland, again, I feel your passion and I agree with the
Starting point is 00:27:57 sentiments of what Representative Jones said. And just for context, when if you look back at the empirical data on this, I was one of the first to say we need to break forms. So I do believe in the spirit of good trouble, necessary trouble. I was one of the
Starting point is 00:28:13 ones with Jasmine Crockett back in 2021 and says, we need to break corn and go to D.C. And we did. So I feel you, Frat, the only problem I'm telling you is that everybody ain't built like us. Okay? Well, but then everybody who ain't built like us also
Starting point is 00:28:29 need to be called out. Because these are the same folk who want us to put it on the line. But when it's time for them to put it on the line, they punk out. Well, Frat, to be honest with you, I know for a fact that they would be able to make quorum that many people say, I didn't sign up for a second
Starting point is 00:28:49 quorum break. I'm just going to be transparent with you. We had to push and do everything we could to get them to do this quorum break right here, right now. So we tried to move the needle, but the resistance was, hey, I got to do this. I got a wife. I got a spouse. I got a job. I got this. I got that. I can't do another 30 days. So we wouldn't. not likely have the number that we need 51 strong to be able to have a continued
Starting point is 00:29:21 quorum break. That is the real honest of God's truth. That's being transparent, keeping it 100, keeping it real. We can, many of us can say, hey, we're going to hold a line. But if you get four more, the quorum break is over, they have a quorum. That is what I'm telling
Starting point is 00:29:37 you, Brad. I'm just putting it on a line. And you know what? Here's what's amazing for me, Representative Johnson. I literally watched four Freedom Caucus Republicans forced vote after vote, after vote, after vote, after vote for a new Speaker of the House. We saw them four. And this is, and I'm just telling it.
Starting point is 00:30:03 I spent a lot of time on the ground. I'm gonna put it down right now. Here's what's gonna happen. But every Democrat who's going, Oh, we won the messaging. Oh, we don't rally the other Democrats. When they come back, folks in Texas are going to be mad and disappointed. They're going to be upset.
Starting point is 00:30:25 And they're going to say, that's it? Two weeks? That's it? And I'm telling you, it's going to be harder to motivate young folks in Texas, to motivate other folks in Texas, to vote out folks in these state seats, because they're going to say, Why should I vote for a party that folded so easily? Your response to that?
Starting point is 00:30:49 My response is you're absolutely right. They want to see Democrats fighting, and we have to continue this fight. I wholeheartedly agree with you. And like I said, you talk to three people that are here, you know, 10 toes down. We have to show that we are fighting. We are not giving up the fight. We are not giving up that fight. And I can understand, you know, you're looking at what you're hearing.
Starting point is 00:31:11 we haven't confirmed when we were coming back. That's true, you haven't heard us say that. We didn't say we was coming back on those days. First of all, you don't have to, ma'am, no disrespect. You don't have to because this right here is the Texas Tribune. It says it's right here, Texas House Democrats, who left the state in protest a proposed congressional redistricting said Thursday they will return to the state
Starting point is 00:31:33 at the legislature adjourned. They say in a statement, members of the minority party, said their lawyers had advised them to return, quote, to build a strong public. legislative record for the upcoming legal battle against these particular districts. This is the state, says Texas House Democrats broke quorum and successfully mobilized the nation against Trump's assault and minority voting rights. This is going to, Representative Wu out of Houston, facing threats of arrest,
Starting point is 00:32:01 lawfare, financial penalties, harassment, and bomb threats. We have stood firm in our fight against a proposed Jim Crow congressional district map. Go right ahead. And again, I speak for Charlene, not for anybody whose name you saw in there. And I said that the fight has to continue. And so what we have to do is continue to fight. And I'm listening to my constituents, what my constituents want me to do. They voted me into this seat.
Starting point is 00:32:28 And I have, you know, I have their respect. I have their voice that I'm listening to. Not anybody else or whatever you read on there. I'm listening to my constituents. Representative Jones, final comment. I'm just going to say, just my constituents say it, stay where you at, right? And the fact that I have colleagues who feel like they need to go there, I can't let that dictate what I do. I just can't, right?
Starting point is 00:32:54 Apart from that, I woke up this morning crying. I woke up this morning because I see the only power that we have, we're giving away. literally the only power that we had to stop those bullies, those races, anti-black people, we literally stopped them in their tracks because they could not conduct business. And so I've never in my entire life, I've been on so many winning teams. I've just never, I don't take well to losing. And I don't believe, I mean, even though some people think it's a win, me personally, I don't think it's a win if they pass those maps.
Starting point is 00:33:34 We are going to lose representation. We are going to lose it. And the people that are losing it are black people. White people aren't losing representation. Hispanic people got five seats. The people that are losing it are black. And I just want to see when people will stand for black people, like they stand for other people.
Starting point is 00:33:57 That's just real. And again, I'm a lawyer for 30 years. if the maps don't go into effect then we still have two congressional seats that people can run for and if the match do go into effect that we don't have a bloodbath between two black people in Houston
Starting point is 00:34:16 and two black people in Dallas and I think we want the opportunity to have both of those black people in both Houston and in Dallas so I'm not with you in spirit I'm with you in action right because that's it's about I mean your words might say something but what do your
Starting point is 00:34:32 action show. And so, and I fully expect to be punished. I fully expect that if I'm in the house, in the state house, I ain't going to pass no more bills ever again in life. But if that's what I have to lose, I may not even be talked to ever again in life in the house. Because I didn't go along to get along. I'm prepared for that because the people that elected me to fight for them have asked me to stay. And that's what I'm doing. regardless of the consequences from political people. I'm going to close this out. This is Dr. King's book, Where Do We Go From Here, Chaos or Community?
Starting point is 00:35:15 In the last chapter called The World House, and I'm going to skip around. This is literally what he says. He writes, The present upsurge of the Negro people of the United States grows out of a deep and passionate determination to make freedom and equality a reality here and now. What we are seeing now is a freedom explosion, realization of an idea whose time has come to use Victor Hugo's phrase.
Starting point is 00:35:37 The deep rumbling of discontent that we hear today is the thunder of disinherited masses rising from dungeons of oppression to the bright hills of freedom. All over the world, like a fever, freedom is spreading to the widest liberation movement in history. The great masses of people are determined to end the exploitation of the races and lands. He says, you can hear them rumbling in every village street on the docks in the houses among the students and the churches and their political meetings.
Starting point is 00:36:04 Oppressed people cannot remain oppressed forever the yearning for freedom eventually manifests itself. Then he says something within has reminded the Negro of his birthright of freedom and something without has reminded him that it can be gained. Consciously or unconsciously, he has been caught up by the spirit of the times
Starting point is 00:36:22 and with his black brothers of Africa and his brown and yellow brothers in Asia, South America, and the Caribbean, the United States Negro is moving with a sense of great urgency toward the promised land of racial justice. Nothing could be more tragic than for men to live in these revolutionary times and fail to achieve the new attitudes and the new mental outlooks that the new situation demands.
Starting point is 00:36:46 Very simple. The people today, the voters today, millennials, Gen Z, Gen Alpha, these are not the same folk as baby boomers in Generation X and the reality is fewer African Americans are self-identifying as Democrats. People are saying I don't see fighters, I don't see people standing up and what they're also saying is
Starting point is 00:37:11 exactly what Representative Jones says we have been the backbone of the Democratic Party we have been the ones who have withstood the battles and the fights and the care of the torch and when the hell do the other folks stand up and fight as hard as we do. I understand I understand every single point that you've made Representative Reynolds, Representative Johnson, Representative Jones.
Starting point is 00:37:33 But I'm telling you right now, y'all should go back to that caucus, and you tell Representative Wu, and you tell Talarico, and you tell Anachi, and tell the rest of them, they are going to have a problem when they let these racist maps go through, and they're going to look up. And if you think black folks have said, we're sitting out, and we're going to spend times doing line dances, boots on the ground, they are in for. for a rude awakening when they come to black churches and black neighborhoods and say, where you're at? And the response is gonna be, where in the hell were you at, we needed you the most. I thank all three of you for your work. And again, let every member of the black caucus know.
Starting point is 00:38:13 Any member who stands with these Republicans and gives them a quorum, I'm putting their names and their faces on this show every single day because they gotta be called out. And let me real clear, I understand other folks, but this show Sinners African Americans and let those black members know
Starting point is 00:38:31 that if they buckle they will be called out I'll say one quick thing I literally got to go to a break my parents next I appreciate all three of you thank you sir very much for your service and your fight
Starting point is 00:38:45 thanks a lot gotta go to a break I'll be right back Roland Martin on Pilchip on the Black Star Network now streaming on the Black Star Network Getting like this major artist like Snoop to be like, yeah, you're gonna be the flagship of death row records.
Starting point is 00:39:03 It's crazy. Because I'm like, okay, when he got the call, I was in the room. He was sealing the deal, it's done. And I was like, man, congratulations. You know, I got me a drink. You know, he rolled up and we were sitting there talking. And I was like, oh man, I can't imagine how many rappers
Starting point is 00:39:18 you're gonna have on this label's gonna be. He was like, I'm not doing that. I'm like, what do you mean? Like, that's death row. Tupac, Shug, the whole look. And he's like, no, no, you're gonna. to be the flagship for it. You're going to do it first.
Starting point is 00:39:29 And I'm like, you try. Well, I'm like, I'm R&B. I'm like, I'm R&B. I said it is now. It's like, I'll get rappers later. Don't worry about that, but I want you to take over. I'm like, oh, this is, I was nervous. I was like, there's no way this is going to work.
Starting point is 00:39:43 People are, and of course, you get a little backlash from, you know, on the comments section, you know, when he's posting about it. It's just like, he's R&B. That's not death row. And they, you know, we had to slowly kind of get people acclimated to it. Hey, this is Motown recording artist Kim. You are watching Roland Martin unfiltered. Boy, he always unfiltered, though.
Starting point is 00:40:17 I ain't never known him to be filtered. Is there another way to experience Roland Martin than to be unfil? Of course, he's unfiltered. Would you expect anything less? Watch what happens next Recy Colbert The Recy Colbert Show Joining us from D.C.
Starting point is 00:40:45 Dr. Greg Carr, Department of African-American Studies Howard University host of the Black Table on the Black Star Network. Risi, I'll start with you. I can't stand weakness, Recy. Robin Harris said, I'm pissed all to the highest of pistivity. I got calls this morning saying the Democrats were going to buckle. But it wasn't just the calls this morning.
Starting point is 00:41:08 In fact, last week, Representative Ancia was on this show. And when we talked to him, he literally laid out that this was the plan, that this was the agenda. And laid out, well, you know, we got a focus, a lot going on and stuff along those lines. And when he was talking, I was sitting there going, I said, okay, here they go. Here they go expression is weakness. Here they go. In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible.
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Starting point is 00:42:19 And me, Lizzie Logan. Every episode will explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history, from the fake Shakespeare's to balloon boys, and try to answer the question of why we believe what we believe. Listen to hoax on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Noah. I'm 13. And as you might have seen from the news, I got a podcast. And I explain those fake headlines like your uncle would, like your cousin would if he actually did the research. Honestly, adults don't ask the right questions. Now You Know with Noah DeBarroso is a show about influence.
Starting point is 00:42:58 Who's got it, how they use it, and what it means for the rest of you. It's not the news. It's what the news should be if someone Gen Z or Gen Alpha made it. And I'm watching everything. The majority of the youth, 18 through 24, say they trust Republicans more than Democrats from the economy. You kidding. Politics is wild and I'm definitely not here to pay it. But I'm here to make sense of it.
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Starting point is 00:44:33 Tickets are on sale now at AXS.com. Get your tickets today. AXS.com. And I'm telling you, they think it's just going to be business as usual, and it's not, I mean, I'm going to do this here. I'm going to play for you exactly. Go ahead and roll. This is what he said on this show Friday. And we have jobs and families back home. We set some pretty clear goals when we started this quorum break. The first one was that we were going to try, and it was going to be very hard because of the frenetic Trump media cycle to capture the American imagination on redistricting. We wanted people to be talking about redistricting in barbershops, on street corners, and on shows just like this, just like you're doing, to try to raise consciousness. I think we've done that.
Starting point is 00:45:22 I'm really pleasantly surprised because this little band of Texas state representatives was able to help elevate the conversation. The second thing we wanted to do is work with Blue State governors to get them ready. Because if we had just let them run over us on the House floor, this would have been a two-day media cycle, and it would have been—and it would have been over. Like, nobody would have paid attention to Texas. It would be like, Texas Democrats lose, okay. So that's why we couldn't let that happen.
Starting point is 00:45:54 We wanted to make sure that we were protecting our African-American and Latino constituents by working with blue state governors to show some pushback, right? That's super important. It was super important to us. And finally, we said we were going to run out the clock on this special session. Now, the governor's right. He can call special session after special session after special session. So our goal was to give the blue states some time to catch up.
Starting point is 00:46:19 to activate their plans for redistricting, but at some point, we're going to have to go back and fight this on the House floor, and we're going to have to fight it in the courts, especially since there's some clear violations of Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. And that's kind of our strategy. So if we can tick the box and say, national conversation, blue state strategy to counteract the five from Texas, and we understand that we have a delegation in California today meeting with Governor Newsom, they're ready to roll, and we run out the clock on this special session. We will have succeeded, and the rest is up to Blue State governors that have the trifecta
Starting point is 00:47:03 of the House, the Senate, and the governorship to really counteract this stuff. You ain't going to succeed shit, Recy. What's going to happen is you're going to go there, they're going to gavel that sucker intercession, and they're going to pass this bill in less than 60 seconds. This is where Democrats fucked up. Democrats have the delusional idea that they are ever going to get an A for effort, that they're going to get a credit for trying.
Starting point is 00:47:32 Right. Oh, my God. That was great. I mean, y'all are hero. Y'all sat out two weeks, yay. Yeah, I mean, I think that good for them. They did something. I mean, people are constantly saying, Democrats do something. Democrats fight show us something. But the reality is that elections have
Starting point is 00:47:53 motherfucking consequences. And the consequences are that in the state of Texas, you have a Republican governor who should have never been reelected after Yuvaldi and all the other heinous things that have happened in Texas, but he was reelected comfortably against Beto. You have a Republican control of the Senate and the and the representatives over the House, whatever it's called in Texas. And so they have the power. Democrats have to start getting fucking real with voters about the fact that when Republicans have power,
Starting point is 00:48:24 they get to do very bad shit. And the only way to ensure that Republicans don't have power to do very bad shit is to vote their asses out and vote Democrats in. They try to do that every election cycle. People don't believe them.
Starting point is 00:48:38 And they're like, oh, my God, I can't believe bad things are happening. Well, what the head did you think was going to happen? Of course it was going to happen. But another thing that this reveals. I said it last week on your shirt rolling, that there was no real long-term strategy. There was a short-term strategy as the guy laid out there. Stop one special session. Okay, well, there and here come the next one. They raised expectations too high. And now the people
Starting point is 00:49:04 who did something, who aren't the enemy, are becoming the villains in the situation. So what I'm interested in seeing here is Representative Jolanda Jones. She is part of a crowded primary field for former representative Sebastian Turner's seat. I'm interested in seeing if those voters decisively reward her with that seat in the primary and they say, you know, we want a
Starting point is 00:49:27 Yelanda Jones. No, no, she's filed for District 18. There's not going to be a District 18. Well, I don't know. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Let me walk you through this here. There are about 20 people,
Starting point is 00:49:46 who have filed to run for District 18. That's the district held by the late Congressman Sylvester Turner, Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee, Craig Washington, Mickey Leland, Barbara Jordan. Republicans are getting rid of that district. They have moved the line, so Congressman Al Green, who is currently in District 9, who's currently living in where he is,
Starting point is 00:50:08 they've moved his house to District 9. He is going to run for re-election. So 18 is being white. I think there are not a special election happening. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, follow me here. The election, there's a, that's a special election, but here's the problem. You're going to have, you're going to have the special election, but that seat's gone. So here's a deal.
Starting point is 00:50:32 They have to file, they have to file for that seat, the filing date, I think it's September. The special election is in November to feel, 225. Oh, 25 to fill District 18. But when the Republicans pass the map, then 18 gets wiped out. 30. Coswoman Jackson, Jasmine Crockett gets wiped out. So the deadline to file to run in 2026 is December. Because the primaries in Texas are in March.
Starting point is 00:51:05 So Representative Jones, if Representative Jones wins, and she's running against former councilwoman Amanda Edwards, city, county attorney, Kristen Meneffi, and a host of others. So if she wins, she's there for one year. But she has only one month to decide whether she files to run against Congressman Al Green
Starting point is 00:51:26 in District 9. Yeah. But my point, Roland, is that if the premise is that Democrats get all this credit for fighting, then one way that we can show that the evidence will show, even no matter how short-lived this,
Starting point is 00:51:42 district is, the evidence will show that Representative Jones will win that crowded primary. And that's what I'm saying. That's one of the ways that we can put our mouth where our vote is and we're Texas Democrats who are outraged about Texas Democrats being so weak. That's one way they can say, hey, when you step up to the plate and you stand firm, then we're going to make sure that you are the person that represents us. I'm interested to see if that happens. I think she deserves it regardless, but I'm interested to see because there's always so much talk about how much, you know, we want Democrats to fight.
Starting point is 00:52:17 And very often those same Democrats are not rewarded. Well, here's the whole deal. I mean, listen, she's a former city councilman. She's a former school district, member of the school district. She's now in the state house. And so if you look at fundraising, endorsements of polling, she's leading that. Again, that's fine. But what I'm saying is she's going to have a month.
Starting point is 00:52:41 She's going to have a month to say, and a month is going to be, do I run again? So her running is really immaterial to this battle because if this battle wasn't happening, frankly, based upon any number of factors, it's a good bet that if you had the bet who's going to be in a runoff, it's going to be her. But this is the thing that jumped out for me, Greg.
Starting point is 00:53:02 And see, this is why I was going so hard with the Black Caucus. if the black caucus as a caucus said we ain't going back all of us are going to stand here and if y'all going to do this you're going to do it without us that then would have caused them to say are we going to buck the entire black caucus but see here's the problem Greg the problem is you got some weak Negroes in the black caucus you got some weak Negroes
Starting point is 00:53:42 who refused to come on this show to talk and we called them we need to go back because you know what happened when they had the last walk out and I know him personally but he punked out Garnett Coleman
Starting point is 00:53:56 we need to go back for what to get slaughtered he participated in the breaking of the quorum Ron Wilson, his sorry ass. When Tom delayed pulled that shit, when he was in Congress, the first time, Ron Wilson brokered a deal because, see, he thought he was going to get
Starting point is 00:54:19 the congressional seat of Al Green. And you know what happened? He ran, so he partnered with the Republicans, lying with them, and he went back. And you know what happened when he ran for that congressional seat? Got his ass whipped. And then you know what happened when he ran for a state rep seat? got his ass
Starting point is 00:54:36 whooped so my point is if you are the Texas legislative black caucus you all stand firm and say if y'all going to break the quorum then y'all going to do it
Starting point is 00:54:48 without any of us yeah it'll be a period victory it'll be symbolic the Democrats will lose and we'll take the next step toward the inevitable, which is the fracturing of the American state.
Starting point is 00:55:12 Spaddle's already been lost. Spaddle was lost at the ballot box. Some people may accuse you or me or Reese or anyone else speaking on the specific subject I'm about to say, as shaming voters, I wouldn't call it shaming voters. I would say forcing human beings to look in the mirror and say that you put the knife in your own. You put the knife in your own throat by not registering, by not checking your registration, and by not voting. This battle has already been won by the White's premises, but the war has not been won by the
Starting point is 00:55:46 rights premises. Sure, the Congressional Black Caucus should—I'm sorry, the Texas Black Caucus should not go back, agree with Representative Jones. I also understand Representative Reynolds in the sense of saying that in some ways this battle will now shift to the courts. Now, as you walk them through in Louisiana and Alabama, the goal should be to get to December. Certainly late fall, early, maybe winter, to try to stop this. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:14 That these maps can be in exchange. But let's just say that they fail. It looks like they're going to fail. If that's the case, they're going to go to court anyway. Now, will they lose in court probably? But here's where we're going ultimately. California, you know, Governor Newsom now saying, well, an early November vote to do something about redistricting, maybe Pritzker in Illinois, maybe we see something in New York where
Starting point is 00:56:42 their rules are a little different. Certainly, Ohio, where there is triggered a statewide redistricting commission, if they can't reach a 60 percent threshold in the legislature, which they should be able to do. The white nationalists in Florida, the white nationalists in Missouri, where they would carve up the manual cleaver receipt, the white nationalists in Indiana, probably could claw a few more white national seats in the federal legislature. But ultimately, it's going to come down to this. The type of outrage that you exhibited there in that conversation with representatives, Reynolds, Johnson, and Jones, is not going to be shared by millions of black voters in this country who have simply tuned out.
Starting point is 00:57:25 Another set of victims, too whipped to choose, to quote, Goal, Scott Herron, distraction, disinformation, for whatever reason. simply have opted out of the political process. But the thing that will trigger their ire may very well be the stick. Because, see, the thing about white nationalism is, finally, that its overreach comes with a tupress that can ultimately trigger the type of response that we need. This won't change until black athletes decide to stop going to Texas and Texas A&M. This won't stop until black people stop spending money. But, see, they won't feel that until...
Starting point is 00:58:02 A supermajority in Texas, a majority of the federal legislature, like what we're seeing in D.C., starts harassing black people in the streets. We got an email today at our university, and I'm still in Egypt, so we return school next week. But I got my email, check with my email, and here's an email instructing students, faculty, staff, and folks that on how university camps always carry your IDs, you know, make sure your encounter. That's the South African apartheid bullshit. that is exactly right. And Roland, what you just said, brother, that is where we're headed. I can't tell. Frankly, it's hard for me to contain my enthusiasm. I welcome it. Let me tell you why I welcome it. Nelson Mandela doesn't become the president of South Africa without Sharpville, the Sharpeville massacre, without going to jail for 27 years. There's going to be some pain
Starting point is 00:58:52 to head, and that's where you find the heroic age. We're not going to get out of this without And I really don't think that the handful of moderate Democrats, if the state caucus, black caucus in Texas were to say we're not going, I really don't think that the Democratic Party would still have the gumption not to give them quorum because there's going to be some punk-ass Democrats who are not black who would simply go in there. I think ultimately the only way this is going to be resolved is by direct confrontation. And we have passed the time when we could have used the ballot. And as Malcolm said, it may be another alternative coming up soon that we're going to have to finally face. when we face that, then we're going to get some change. But I think this moment may be on the verge of passing. See, what I need everybody watching to understand.
Starting point is 00:59:36 And this is why I absolutely disagree with what the lawyers are telling Congressman or Representative Reynolds. Now, let me preface this by saying the Supreme Court, we already know they do whatever hell they want to do. But as Greg knows, and Greg went to law school, the Supreme Court has concerned. consistently said, hey, it's not enough time to fully adjudicate this case. So therefore, we're going to leave the maps in place because it creates too much consternation
Starting point is 01:00:11 among the voters. So, you've had lower courts rule congressional maps to be unconstitutional. But because the Supreme Court says it's not enough time to be unconstitutional, but because the Supreme Court says it's not enough time to adjudicate, rule on the maps, and then for the legislature to go back and redraw the maps, they've often said they remain in place. So the reason why folk like me were saying, no, your whole strategy should be hold out until December because there's a filing deadline in December for the March primary. See, they keep saying, oh, they can move the primary.
Starting point is 01:00:59 True. But here is the problem. If they had held out until December, then you hit the date. And so people then file for the existing districts in December, then they would then have to try to come back January, February, whatever, and try to change the maps and then move the primary later. and then still get sued. We know, for example,
Starting point is 01:01:30 that in the Wies in, they actually passed the maps early in the year. There was enough time before the August primary Supreme Court said, nope, got to freeze them in place. So I don't understand why they have fallen for this. Well, no, let them pass it now so we can file. They literally are helping. The Republican, Republicans are like,
Starting point is 01:01:54 yo, we changed the maps in August. It's more than enough time for people to write to file to run in the new maps. And then sure, y'all sue and it's going to be four years before it's fully adjudicated. I hear you, Rowling.
Starting point is 01:02:11 I hear you. Perhaps if they had held out, that would have been the case. But we are talking about people who are getting paid, $7,200 a year. Probably their pay is to spend it. Being a legislator is a part-time thing. These are people who are away from their families, away from their livelihoods. Now, that's what they signed up for when they left and they set the expectation
Starting point is 01:02:33 that they were going to be stopping the maps. And that's the problem right there. You set the expectation. You go to New York. Have you ever looked at a piece of abstract art or music or poetry and thought, that's just a bunch of pretentious nonsense? Well, that's exactly what two bored Australian soldiers set out to prove during World War II. When they pulled off what was either a bold literary hope,
Starting point is 01:02:54 or a grand poetic experiment, publishing over a dozen intentionally bad but highly acclaimed works of expressionist poetry under the name Earn Malley in an incident that caused a media firestorm and even a criminal trial. The Earn Malley episode made fools of believers and critics alike and still fascinates poetry lovers to this day. We break down the truth, the lies, and the poetry in between on hoax, a new podcast hosted by me, Lizzie Logan, and me, Dana Schwartz. Every episode, hoax explores an audacious fraud or ruse from history from forged artworks to the original fake news to try and answer why we believe.
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Starting point is 01:04:00 It's not the news. It's what the news should be if someone Gen Z or Gen Alpha made it When I'm watching everything. The majority of the youth 18 through 24 say they trust Republicans more than Democrats
Starting point is 01:04:15 to from the economy. You kidding. Politics is wild and I'm definitely not here to tame it, but I'm here to make sense of it. Just what's happening, why it matters, and what it means for us. Bring your brain.
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Starting point is 01:05:31 Tickets are on sale now at AXS.com. Get your tickets today. AXS.com. You have a news conference with Hokka, and you're in Illinois, and you're going to California, and you're like, we're going to fight this, we ain't let them pass it, and your ass give up. in two weeks? I know, Chad, that was a bad, that was a bad PR on their part. That was a bad show. And no, in Risi, guess what? They literally, and you know, I already got the tea.
Starting point is 01:06:02 They literally are like, oh, no, we've won the messaging war. No, we've won the messaging war. We've rallied the Democrats in other places. No, they literally have been in their meeting saying, we're going to be welcome like heroes. I am not lying they have literally been saying can we have people at the Capitol
Starting point is 01:06:24 on Saturday when we come back on the Capitol steps applauding us when we come back I said y'all got to be I'm I'm not lying no that's not they do little as fuck they are absolutely not going to be welcome back as heroes they're going to be
Starting point is 01:06:38 welcome back as weak as people but I will say this to anybody who was looking at the Democrats as being weak that's fine make sure when these people are up primary or when these people are up for re-election, when you march to the polls to vote the ass out, make sure that you
Starting point is 01:06:54 march to the polls to vote out Greg Abbott's ass and vote out John Cornyn's ass and any other Republican in your motherfucking way. And if you have, you're not a regular voter, now would be the time to do that if we get there. To Dr. Carr's point, this might
Starting point is 01:07:10 come to a head before that. We're all talking hypothetically as though we're even going to have elections. But my concern, I figured that at some point he will come to some non-moving resolution. But so far, the people out there peeping are the crazy-ass nagging motherfuckers. The CDC
Starting point is 01:07:26 got shot up. The Democrats got killed in Minnesota. The wrong people are getting activated right now. And so if this doesn't come to that kind of head, before our next vote happens, get your
Starting point is 01:07:42 ass out and vote. You can vote mad against the Democrat, but make sure you vote just as mad against the people who are really the ones implementing these heinous policies. Here's a thing for me, Greg, that a lot of people don't understand. First of all, in Texas, it's in the
Starting point is 01:07:57 Constitution. It's by design that it's not a full-time legislature. Okay? They only meet, they meet every two years even though the governor can call as many special sessions as possible. But here's the other thing. Texas lawmakers are allowed to
Starting point is 01:08:13 have other jobs. And so when they were people talking about, oh, they're getting five hundred dollars a day see this is what happens when you strategize that's when you sit here and go oh okay I'm going to hire five of them and I'm going to pay them
Starting point is 01:08:31 so what's you getting fine $500 a day seven days a week okay I'm going to hire five you hire five you hire five you hire five you have five the law allows for them to have multiple jobs In fact, there are state lawmakers who created companies that were getting bond contracts with cities and counties and municipalities who would state legislators.
Starting point is 01:08:58 So folk don't even understand that. There are also no campaign limits in Texas in terms of money being donated. See, this is what I'm talking about. To recent point, Greg, if you're going to do this and you're going to raise expectations, can you have a game plan that lasts more than two weeks? That's the equivalent of saying we got a big football game on Saturday and we have a two-quarter game plan. Hey, coach, you know it's four quarters. Greg, go ahead.
Starting point is 01:09:34 That's true. And this is really where, Roland, you've identified the real. And that is, we don't have. a firm grasp of long-range thinking that then gets back-mapped into bite-sized step-by-step strategy. The purebred religious racists, and I call them religious racists because they're a religious extremist, Russell Vogue, Kevin Roberts, and so many others associated with quarterbacks of Project 2025, which people look at as a political document, and it is, but it's been driven by a white
Starting point is 01:10:10 nationalist cultural, theocratic foundation. What we're seeing in Texas is anti-black racism being the jet fuel for this type of political
Starting point is 01:10:26 strategy. Now, of course, a lot has been made in the fact that this proposed redistricting would create some Latino plurality districts. Yeah, five. Craig Abbott says five Republican-leaning Latino districts.
Starting point is 01:10:44 Right. But the problem is that now these white nationists have moved to cracking and packing Latinos, and they are relying on anti-black racism to inform enough people in the Spanish-speaking community in that now Latino plurality state of Texas to peel off those votes by, how having these people vote against black people. Now, then what should our response be? Well, if we had a long-range view, we would understand a couple of things. Number one, white nationalism is permanent in this country.
Starting point is 01:11:20 It is foundational to the country. And number two, you can't appeal to white nationalists to attempt to beat white nationalism by appealing to white nationalists. Right. So your long-range thing is to break the back of white nationalism by embracing a black-first strategy and then the bite-sized steps to in terms of implementing that long-range vision
Starting point is 01:11:46 in a step-by-step process is to say as black people, we represent the of black people first, but that that black first strategy also benefits everyone else. Now, when you go to now a Latino plurality district and you say, look, these white nationals hate you.
Starting point is 01:12:06 They've cracked and packed your district. And some of y'all hate us. I'm not here to make you like me. I'm not here to convince you that I'm a human being. I'm here to say that you are a racist, but now you are racist with a food bill that has exploded. Now you are racist with a power bill that has exploded. And campaign for you to like me.
Starting point is 01:12:25 What I'm going to say is that the people who hate me hate you as well, we come to you can still with a lower medical bill, a lower electricity bill, and we can have a beer and fight each other in the street. And that's just fine. But what we have to understand is we got to stop pretending as if we can woo voters already who don't participate, but the ones who do, we quit pretending as if we can rule voters by somehow gussing ourselves up, washing our faces and combing our hair in a certain way and saying, can he, see, we're harmless.
Starting point is 01:12:59 No, you got to fight these people. I like the way that goes up. I'm saying that's a winning strategy, even with white nationists who will say, I hate you. but I'm still going to vote for you because I can hate you in a house where my heating bill and my cooling bill isn't exploding. That's how you implement a long-range strategy in a short-range fashion. But in order to do that, we've got to look long-range. And long-range is this a white nationalist country, and it's always going to be one. So, to close us out to, and recent at this point,
Starting point is 01:13:35 congressional districts are gerrymandered. State rep districts are gerrymandered. State Senate districts are gerrymandered. But you can't gerrymander in the presidential race or the United States Senate or the governor or the Attorney General or the Secretary of State or the Land Commissioner or seats on the Texas Supreme Court. Those are all statewide seats.
Starting point is 01:14:06 And so I have been saying that to Greg's point about black first y'all and can't nobody say i ain't been saying this but i've been real clear why you must give your money to black voters matter give the money to black groups that are mobilizing black people on the ground how many times have y'all heard me say that if we vote at 70 percent of our capacity if we vote at 70 percent of our capacity against these white nationals in Texas. And let's be real clear, y'all, George W. Bush beat Governor Ann Richards. Then when he ran a second time, he ran against what they call a unity ballot. You had a rich Latino banker running for governor. You had a black man who was mayor of Dallas and Ron Kirk running
Starting point is 01:14:56 for United States Senate. And then you had a white man and John Sharp who was running, I think was for lieutenant governor. And guess what, they all lost? So they presented as this multiracial coalition. And Republicans have controlled Texas politics for the last 25 years. They own it. Every statewide office. And the reason they keep winning, have multiple reasons.
Starting point is 01:15:22 But one of the reasons is that the 254 counties in Texas, Democrats only have 81 county offices. That's one. But the second reason is because malaise, people have just been so upset. Well, you know, we can't do anything. Beto lost against Greg Abbott, 75% of young people under the age of 30 did not vote. Texas has more eligible black voters than any state in America. Texas is an unorganized state.
Starting point is 01:15:50 It is a state that's not been mobilized. And what I'm saying to black people, if any black member, if any black member, no, go back, if any black member allows them to have a quorum, you put up. primary them, and you take them out. But then what you do is you absolutely take out Ken Paxton or John Cornyn for the United States Senate. And then what you do is you take out in 2028. That's right.
Starting point is 01:16:22 You take out Abbott. You spend the next three years mobilizing that state and telling folk, y'all still want to live underneath this here, you mobilize young women. to say you want the do you see how many women in Texas are dying because of these these anti-abortionists literally dying because they're being denied services when they have complications from pregnancy do you all understand that I have a niece who is due my oldest my oldest niece my parents oldest grandchild who is due in November I'm fucking scared to death because these
Starting point is 01:17:05 assholes, if anything happens with her pregnancy, because of these assholes, she may not get the proper care because of the laws that they have established. See, to Greg's point, to a lot of folk, the shit
Starting point is 01:17:23 ain't real until it get personal. And so earlier today, I was sitting in the chat, and so folks were like, they were like, man, rolling, you know, I understand, you know, but you want the folks to do this here, and do that here, but a lot of us are comfortable. I said, God damn it, I ain't comfortable.
Starting point is 01:17:40 I said, because I paid taxes on a house in Dallas County that my parents live in. And when I go home, and I've got family reunions, and when I sit here, and again, nine nieces, four nephews, when I look at family members who are all in Texas, God damn it, that's blood, sweat, that's in that fucking soil. and when I look at people today give up this easy
Starting point is 01:18:08 when I look at people today and you tell me that you ran for office to stand and fight for folk and all you could do is last for two weeks and when I hear Sinfronia Thompson who's a running buddy of mama grandmother who says you ain't going to look for me I will show you the map to come to my house
Starting point is 01:18:28 don't tell me you're going to walk back Willa to the state capitol Don't tell me, you're going to sit here and say, well, we're going to go over there and we fight. No, you're not. And if you didn't want to fight, did the goddamn leave. Let somebody else in that position. Because what we are talking about is a battle that's generational. What we are talking about right now, go to my iPad, the United States Supreme Court is going to reconsider the congressional district in Louisiana.
Starting point is 01:18:59 and they literally are going to rule against race-based congressional districts. And I need all of y'all to understand that what is on the ballot is they could wipe out with one goddamn ruling more than 30 black congressional seats. That means right now the congressional black caucus is the largest caucus in the United States Congress and this Supreme Court could literally wipe out half of the damn congressional. Black Caucus. So don't tell me you're being too emotional.
Starting point is 01:19:37 Don't tell me it doesn't matter. Right now they're looking to wipe out Congressman Cleaver in Missouri. They're looking to wipe out Congresswoman Sykes in Ohio. They've already wiped out a black seat in Florida.
Starting point is 01:19:55 They, I've told you all repeatedly that they want to defund black America. They want to take everything economically, everything politically, academics, business, they want Jim Crow
Starting point is 01:20:11 2.0 to return. And what you had better understand is read a goddamn history book. Because this is exactly what happened after the 1875 decision. This is exactly what happened after Placie v. Ferguson. When they wiped out black representation in Congress.
Starting point is 01:20:32 Go read the speech of that last black Republican who was from North Carolina. The reason the Congressional Black Caucus Phoenix Awards is called that because he said to them, you may wipe us out now that we're going to rise like a Phoenix. Every single one of y'all watching. Y'all want to understand why I'm trying to tell y'all,
Starting point is 01:20:55 stop sitting here, debating this bullshit, LeBron, and MJ and we talk about dance and everything these white nationalists literally are trying to wipe out every black advancement that we have seen not since the civil rights movement but since reconstruction this is not a drill this is reality you could better understand I'm not going to be silent why it has happens, and if you are black, if you're unwilling to fight, and if you ain't got the spirit of Shirley Chisholm, I've been unbought and unboss, well, get your ass out the way and let some folks in who are ready to do battle. I'll be back. This week on the other side of change, Diaspora Wars. The Internet has been,
Starting point is 01:21:58 sworn, who has a right to blackness and black culture, who is overrepresented, underrepresented. It's too much. It's making us dizzy. We don't have to be prifle without this air of superiority, right? All stories matter within this black sphere that we exist in. Only on the other side of change on the Black Star Network. Next, on the Black Table with me, Greg Carr. The United States is the most dangerous place for a woman to give birth among all industrialized nations on the planet. Think about that for a second. That's not all. Black women are three times more likely to die in this country during childbirth than white women.
Starting point is 01:22:40 These health care systems are inherently racist. There are a lot of white supremacist ideas and mythologies around black women, black women's bodies, even black people that we experience pain less, right? Activists, organizer, and fearless freedom fighter, Monifa, Hakenwole Bandelae from Moms Rising joins us and tells us this shocking phenomenon, like so much else, is rooted in unadulterated racism. And that's just one of her fights. Monifa Bandelae on the next black table here on the Black Star Network. On the next get wealthy with me, Deborah Owens, America's wealth coach, black Americans have one-tenth of wealth of their white counterparts. But how did we get here?
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Starting point is 01:27:25 I laid out why I'm so pissed off and somebody in the chat says man getting blood pressure up and my problem is that
Starting point is 01:27:55 we literally have folk who do not understand what's happening before our very eyes when Greg just sat here and talked about
Starting point is 01:28:35 how were university students faculty staff the mecca is what it's called you hear to real H.U Get an email in 2025 in so-called Chocolate City Be sure to carry your ID
Starting point is 01:29:05 When I referenced South Africa I need everybody watching right now I need y'all to write down, type in your phone the Polaroid Revolutionary Workers Movement I need y'all to understand apartheid
Starting point is 01:29:37 doesn't end without what they did Ken Williams is working at Polaroid and he walks into the corporate headquarters and he sees this picture and he realizes that the past books, essentially passports that black people were forced to carry in South Africa,
Starting point is 01:30:00 they were made by Polaroid. Ken Williams goes to them and say, they say right. And he begins to go around and he begins to talk to the other black folks at Polaroid and a young woman, 26 years old
Starting point is 01:30:20 named Carolyn Hunter, Carolyn listens to what he has to say and she says, you're right. And Carolyn Hunter, her mama says, baby, what's you doing? You just got your degree. You're in chemist. You got you a nice job.
Starting point is 01:30:39 Carolyn Hunter says, no, mama. My good job ain't good enough for me. to accept this and Canaan Williams and Call and Hunter
Starting point is 01:30:54 began to go on this battle and they begin to fight this very issue they lose their jobs see several years ago Professor Charles Ogletree He would do this Charles Hamilton
Starting point is 01:31:18 Houston Institute and he would have this panel discussion on Martha's Vineyard. 2008, I was invited to it. 2009, I was invited back. And in 2010, I did a book signing of my book on Obama, the election. And so I was invited there by
Starting point is 01:31:38 Carol Williams. And so I'm staying at their house do the book signing everything. And so then in 2009, I'm sitting here. I am filling in for Campbell Brown. And I'm in the hotel, the Park of Meridian in New York City. And it's 3 o'clock in the morning. I could not sleep.
Starting point is 01:31:55 And I'm watching PBS. And they have a documentary on the divestment movement of South Africa. And I'm sitting there watching this. And all of a sudden, a picture comes up. And I'm looking at that picture. And I go, Is that the woman's house I was staying at? And I send her daughter a text at 3 o'clock in the morning.
Starting point is 01:32:23 Is your mama the Carolyn Hunter in that dock? She said yes. Carolyn Hunter later marry Ken Williams. Y'all, the Congressional of Black, caucus wasn't even aware of these books. It was the Polaroid revolutionary workers who told the Black Caucus about what they're doing. Ron Delums and John Conyers and others listen to these folk, tell them about this, and that's how the divestment movement actually started. because two black people at Polaroid
Starting point is 01:33:10 said, no, we can't have this. So you got some Negroes standing firm. Well, that's right. Yes, right. Crime is up in D.C. And this is not bad what Trump is doing. So you got the mayor of D.C. announcing she's going to participate with ICE.
Starting point is 01:33:33 I need somebody explaining me how in the hell Mirri Bowser got her ass on a plane to fight of Martin's Vineyard in the middle of this see some of y'all are sitting here like well I mean it's just law enforcement
Starting point is 01:33:52 just military on the streets keeping them safe but the point Greg just made if y'all think they're sitting up roadblocks forcing folks to show ID. This literally, this literally
Starting point is 01:34:11 sounds and smells like apartheid in South Africa. And recently was a whole bunch of Negroes who told us. There's a whole bunch of FBA, B1, Adas, folks. This ain't going to impact us. They ain't coming after us. They're coming after them.
Starting point is 01:34:30 They're going to deport them. They're going to send them out. These white nationalists are making black folks show their ID in our cities, in our states, and in this country. And it's amazing, Recy, where all those loud mouths have gone. So when we're talking about this, we are trying to get black America to understand that there is a bull's eye.
Starting point is 01:35:02 on the back, in front, on the forehead, on the back of the head, on the side of the head of every black person in this country, whether you have means or not, and they have no problem saying they are going to pass laws and restrictions to subjugate us as best as they can. They may not be able to put us in shackles as they did for 243 years, but they damn sure want to put invisible shackles on black America? How many times did we say citizenship was on the ballot? How many times do we say the things that we saw happening in Texas and other states around this issue of immigration that eventually this will lead to black people having to walk around
Starting point is 01:35:54 with our papers? A week before Donald Trump activated the National Guard in D.C., they were doing checkpoints on Benny rode at about 10 locations throughout D.C. Where any car going through was stopped by federal law enforcement. We saw video today of people who are driving, or not driving, but riding bikes, door dash delivery riders, Uber Eats, being stopped and then detained by ICE. I saw a video of the cops. Now, this was the Metropolitan PD, who has never been known to be benevolent towards black people. let alone bringing in the damn national guard,
Starting point is 01:36:35 asking somebody who was sitting on their own property for ID. That person asked, was there any complaints around here? No. We are living in a situation where black people, as you said, Roland, we are in the bull's eye. And we saw this coming.
Starting point is 01:36:54 They said they were going to do it. They started off with the migrants. They rounded so many of them up. now that got to do this mass incarceration and Donald Trump said, stay where you are. Criminals were going to come and get you. Who does he think the criminals are? Black people.
Starting point is 01:37:10 I'm just going to talk about us. That's what this show was about. So if you have outstanding warrants, if you have bad cows upon, if you got a bench warrant, if you got unpaid parking tickets, you can't run and you can't hide no more. Because now
Starting point is 01:37:29 you have all these people activated, for the sole purpose of fucking with black people. And people started to say when this happened, well, you know, these bad ass kids, they out there, carjacking, whoa, whoa, whoa. So then why is it that Howard University students and faculty and visitors are being advised to walk around with their IDs?
Starting point is 01:37:49 This has never been about actually fighting crime. This has for fuck sure never been about keeping black people safer. This is about dismantling every ounce of progress that we've made in this country, which hasn't been a whole lot, but it was enough for many people to not be complaining and to sit out time and time again when we beg, all the time I've been on here, and I've been on here since 2019, Rowland. Every episode, we beg black folks to vote. Vote your capacity. The unregistered motherfuckers, you are lost cause. But even if the people
Starting point is 01:38:24 who are already registered voted, we have the capacity on our own to make the difference. And no, It's not only our responsibility, but this is life or death for us. So everything is at stake. Unfortunately, we can't combat this in the next 10 days, 100 days. This is a long-term fight. We've got to try to rack up some wins. We've got to turn the tide. But we have to recognize that this is a much bigger threat and a much bigger fight than it had to be.
Starting point is 01:38:53 Greg, for the people who don't understand, how a university exists by a federal charter? Donald Trump could literally put ICE agents, FBI agents, and the military on Howard University's campus. And in red states, he could literally put the National Guard on HBCU campuses and the Republican governors are going to let them do it. See, all these black folk need to... See, they don't understand. They don't understand what we are dealing with. They don't understand. You are dealing with an individual.
Starting point is 01:39:43 And the twice-impeached criminally convicted felon con man in Chief Donald Trump, who has no morals, no values, no principles, no ethics, no integrity, no deal. no decency and no honor and a Republican party that doesn't care including the help such as Tim Scott Burgess Owens
Starting point is 01:40:11 Byron Donalds Wesley Hunt that Jones dude who somebody told me is an alpha out of Michigan they don't give a damn and they're not going to say a word No, they're not going to stop. You know, and neither are we.
Starting point is 01:40:41 This is the history that gets buried far too often. We're not going to stop. Yes, just about everything Donald Trump has done is illegal. Ultimately, I think the courts are going to find that the majority of things Trump has done are illegal. But that's not the point right now. The point is to do it. This is the strategy of the miserable little nasty piece of work, Russell, vote. Yep.
Starting point is 01:41:12 You throw everything out there and you force the institutions to respond. Right now, this is the point. They're terrified these white nests because this is the death bleat of, white nationalism. So in their desperation, they've thrown caution to the wind and any notion of the rule of law to win. You're absolutely right, of course, about Donald Trump. Donald Trump doesn't even have a sense, a concept of the rule of law. Donald Trump has one of one objective only, and this he shares with his friend, BP, Netanyahu, and Israel to stay out of jail. That is the only, that's the number one strategy, because the number one
Starting point is 01:41:51 objective. Number two is try to make some money. And so far, he's been good on both. fronts. But when it comes to the overplaying their hands by white nationalists, like the people in Congress and others, they are now moving to a point where two things are going to happen. Number one, the courts are going to declare a great deal. A lot of this illegal, like occupying college campuses with the National Guard, like declaring states of emergency with no true authorizing principle in any of the statutes that they claim allow them to do it and so forth. But the other thing that's going to happen, the other thing that's already began to happen, is that people, regular rank and file people who are not political, who are not up to date on the news and not aware of all the issues at state, will nevertheless begin to push back. We're beginning to see it in Chicago, Philadelphia, New York. We'll see it in Washington, D.C. as well.
Starting point is 01:42:43 So then what you end up seeing is, in their desperation, these white nationalists have given us a roadmap to the very institutions that we have to now surround. and used to fight back. It's one thing to try to extort Columbia, and they escape extortion, to try to extort Brown University, and they escape extortion, but paying a little bit of money. But then when you turn around and call yourself going to extort Harvard out of $500 million, out of a half a billion dollars,
Starting point is 01:43:14 and try to force them into putting some programs in place that mirror your vocational education view of the world, you're now, what you're doing generally is trying to attack higher education. Howard University does have a federal charter, and Gallaudet University being the two that have them, their chief interface is with the United States Congress, but in a moment when the United States Congress has been rendered supplicant by pliant, GOP, Congress people, that endangers, Howard, that endangers Gallaudet, that endangers all institutions that receive federal financial aid, for sure. But the pushback then to be, we elevate the ability to understand and explain what's going on.
Starting point is 01:44:01 We force federal thud support. We intensify our protests, intensify our solidarity and support, and thereby reveal, finally, the weak points in white nationalism. A great deal of white nationalism is illusion. You're deploying 800 federal—federalized National Guard troops. in Washington, D.C., to take pictures to try to communicate somehow that you've got muscle that you don't. Woe be the day
Starting point is 01:44:30 that these punk-ass, fake courage punks with their face masks up, roll into West Philly or the Bronx, roll into South L.A. or the South side of Chicago, and touch the right one. Now, of course, we were saying, well, then they're
Starting point is 01:44:46 going to deploy the military. Well, yeah, but that little cock rooster, Pete Heggseth, with all his little onward Christian soldier thugs that he's trying to put in place in senior management and then try to recruit an army of crusaders. Well, you're not going to be able to do that quickly enough to displace the rank and fire women and men who serve in the military, who you're going to try to then deputize to turn loose on the streets against their cousins and mothers.
Starting point is 01:45:10 People think, well, they won't buck back. They won't fight orders. These white nationals have to be very careful because when they over in their hand, what they're going to realize is the muscle trying to project to us. the rest of us that they have, they don't have that muscle. I'm not saying that I know what's going to happen next, but I know the history has shown us that when fashion they're in their hand, the pushback. In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies. But even more extraordinary than the magazine article's claim was the
Starting point is 01:45:46 identity of the man who wrote the article, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who wrote Sherlock Holmes. Yes, the man who invented literature's most brilliant detective was fooled by two girls into thinking fairies were real. How did they do it? And why does it seem like so many smart people keep falling for outlandish tricks? These are the questions we explore in hoax, a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood. And me, Lizzie Logan. Every episode will explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history, from the fake Shakespeare's to balloon boys, and try to answer the question of why we believe what we believe. Listen to hoax on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Noah. I'm 13, and as you might have seen from the news, I got a podcast, and I explain those fake headlines like your uncle would, like your cousin would if he actually did the research.
Starting point is 01:46:50 Honestly, adults don't ask the right questions. Now you know with Noah DeBarrasso is a show about influence. Who's got it, how they use it, and what it means for the rest of you. It's not the news. It's what the news should be if someone Gen Z or Gen Alpha made it. And I'm watching everything. Sheesh. The majority of the youth, 18 through 24, say they trust Republicans more than Democrats from the economy.
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Starting point is 01:48:50 Recy, one of the reasons why people need to understand why Donald Trump is so desperate to hold onto the House. It's not just because they can run their game plan for bills. It's the House that certifies the 2020 election. See, we already know what they're setting up. Recy, right now, they are asking for the vote. voter data of numerous states. And they want to know all the data.
Starting point is 01:49:27 They are setting this thing up to where they can control the certification of the election. And in the case of a tie, the House decides who wins the presidency. Folk got to understand the long game. There's a reason why they are desperate. They ain't talking about, man, we got to make sure we keep the Senate. No, they're like, I need to change them. Charlie Kurt would put a tweet out, blasted the Indiana governor and the Speaker of the House
Starting point is 01:49:59 because they won't redistrict there. They are trying to grab every seat that they can because they fear Donald Trump's economic policies are going to cause them to lose. And they're like, man, can we guarantee five in Texas in Indiana and Missouri and some in Florida and Ohio? They are trying to find 10, 12, 15,000, seats because they think they
Starting point is 01:50:22 going to lose at least 15 next November and they normally would absolutely I mean the results are already fucked up I mean look at what's happening with inflation look at the jobs reports now they're going to not even report the jobs
Starting point is 01:50:39 which by the way the new statistician is a J-Sixer okay so they already know that when people feel like this government shit ain't working out for them Donald Trump got, his ass was booed the last time, and the Republicans
Starting point is 01:50:55 were booted last time. So they know that there are normally consequences for bad policies like what this bill is, a big ugly bill and the 20th year, 2016. But the question is, does their version of the world
Starting point is 01:51:10 exist in which they think that they can gerrymander and they can count on life he knows to stick with them despite the fact that they folks, I know they're not monolithic, but that Latinos are getting their in what wake-up call that they're getting racial profile
Starting point is 01:51:24 and the good ones is finding they ask detain by oh my and see you later or mistakenly deported or in detainment camps dying their banking that them Latinos are still going to be like
Starting point is 01:51:39 well I'm still close enough to whiteness where I'm sick with the Republicans or does the world in which Dr. Carr bless you Dr. Carr I hope you write that this comes to a head to what you're talking about.
Starting point is 01:51:53 Which one exists? That's the question I don't have the answer to. So far the evidence has pointed to the world that Republicans believe that we live in, where disinformation and gerrymandering will solidify their rule long enough to keep cheating, line, and
Starting point is 01:52:08 steal, and stay in power. I genuinely don't know which one it is, but what I do know is that these policies are so bad that it's going to be inesable for the vast majority of Americans, and there are going to be tens of millions of more people who have some kind of incentive, life or death incentive, to get out there and vote. The question is whether
Starting point is 01:52:30 they do it or not. And that's the point, Greg. And they want us, they want black people to be so frustrated, so upset, have so much discontent and so much anger that we don't vote. They want us turning. And see, when I call out black state reps, I'm actually trying to call. them up. I ain't trying to call them out. I'm trying to call them up. I'm trying to fortify them because what I need them to understand when they fight, folks say, oh, you're fighting for us. Now then they say, how can I get in the fight? But when people see folk capitulate, then their shoulder slump. See, folk don't mind losing a fight when you fight back. But people hate, Greg, is to
Starting point is 01:53:22 see you lose a fight and you never swung one time. That's right. Brolin, that's right. I mean, brother, as you know, as you walk through history consistently as we think about these historical moments, the patterns are clear. The patterns are clear. You know, we were talking you and I a couple of days ago, a word coming from Kentucky
Starting point is 01:53:50 about the death of Rahman Ali. The only brother of Muhammad Ali and the family is trying to raise money to pay for the funeral. It's really not a good situation. Muhammad Ali comes to a man who was vilified, a man who was hated in America, but a man who was loved by black
Starting point is 01:54:08 people. It's not coincidental that Muhammad Ali, who was in the nation, and then wasn't in the nation but remained hated, a man of principle, charismatic, a winner in all levels, an athlete, that he rose to prominence at a time when the civil rights movement and the black power movement was at its peak in the mid to late 60s and through the 1970s, at a time when black movies and black entertainment, whether it be music, whether it be films, even comedies, like piece of the action, let's do it again, certainly projected a pro-black message derisively and contrafactually, as far as I'm concerned, called black exploitation. Well, you know, what these convergences of pop culture politics help us understand is that, you know, let's just say, and I'm not saying that this will happen because I doubt that it will, but imagine if Meg out of Houston or Beyonce out of Houston made the call that you just made tonight and told the legislators to stay strong.
Starting point is 01:55:12 I'm not saying that it would change the decision of some of the legislatures who may return, but I am saying that it would send a message and people might, look at it different. It's a little bit different than a police. I think that in an age, a heroic age, symbols do matter.
Starting point is 01:55:27 The governor of Maryland, for example, has said, you're not coming to Maryland and federalizing the National Guard with my permission, sir.
Starting point is 01:55:36 And guess what happened? The mayor of Chicago... Hold on. Hold on. Guess what happened, Greg, Greg, hold on. I know there's a delay.
Starting point is 01:55:42 Greg, hold on. There's a delay there. So hold on. And guess what happened today? Trump was going off in the Oval Office on Governor West Moore, because Westmore went on Fox News
Starting point is 01:55:52 he went on CNN he went everywhere and he said unlike you I put the uniform on and then he's coming out oh he's not qualified to be potus because he's scared of that black man Greg go ahead yes no
Starting point is 01:56:12 no but Merlin we're talking the same talk brother I love what Gavin Newsom is doing and trolling them including now doing the all caps roasting them in social media. But when you see black women and men do it, he hates Jasmine Crockett. Some of this is get her out of Congress.
Starting point is 01:56:29 100% true. You see, the governors now. I'm not just talking about Pritzker and, I'm talking about what Westmore did exactly, and the mayors. You see, Mom, Donnie wins this race in New York. Donald Trump, well, I don't know what could happen to him physiologically, because he's clear, not only is he mentally,
Starting point is 01:56:48 So he is so steadily deterring at this point that he may not make it to the moment to have some physiological reaction to a Mamdani victory. But the illusion is government over the rest of the president is a king, which is what Russell Vogue believes. The reality begins to emerge that at the state and local level, people hold considerable power. California can contract and make deals with foreign governments. They have huge billions of dollars of pension funds. If enough or even if one or two of these key state and local level leaders exercises their authority and does it with the type of public-facing panache, charm, kind of captivating presence that Muhammad Ali had in boxing or Meg the Stalian, has in hip-hop, but do it politically like a Westmore or a governor of Newson, California.
Starting point is 01:57:51 That has the potential to galvanize people in a way that could translate into some sense of, finally somebody's fighting. Now, I will get off the bench. So I think in some ways that leads to, if not hope, that leads to the signal that nothing is ever written in stone in history. And the things can change on a dime with something that people may not have anticipated. And I think that, again, is where we are right now. Somebody ends more than somebody needs to step up.
Starting point is 01:58:21 And when they do, we can see these political winds shift very quickly. To the point Greg just made there, I don't know if many of y'all realize it, we had Adrian Shropshire on this show, and she told us about Black Pack's poll. And she let it slip that in Black Pack's poll, that Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett's approval rating among black people is on the same level as Obama. Now, they ain't want to start no mess, so they didn't release that slide. Because see, that slide would have embarrassed a whole bunch of other black politicians who think that they are thebomb.com and they really not.
Starting point is 01:59:07 But it did slip. And see, to Greg's point, that's what Trump is. was afraid of. See, Riesce made the point early about Representative Julana Jones. See, black folks are responding to fighters because that's our history. Yes.
Starting point is 01:59:28 Robert Smalls, fighter. Representative White, fighter. Ida be Wells-Barnett. Fighter. I mean, we can walk through Martin Delaney, fighter Denmark Visi Fighter
Starting point is 01:59:46 Oh y'all going to burn Mother Emmanuel down Damn that We're going to rebuild it Oh y'all going to burn Greenwood down Yeah We about to rebuild this
Starting point is 01:59:58 See that's what they're afraid of But I need the folk Watching to understand They're not afraid Of weak and meek Donald Trump in 2017 stood up and said to black people thank you
Starting point is 02:00:18 thank you for not voting that should have sent the blood boiling of every single black person in this country because the man was saying y'all lazy ass bums who didn't vote oh I appreciate y'all
Starting point is 02:00:37 for staying at home. He insulted the ancestors by doing it. And see, I know there's some people who's sitting here saying, oh, that Gavin Newsom
Starting point is 02:00:53 he too slick. You know, he too, he ain't got no shot. But he dropped, he had news conference today, and they dropped this ad right here. And I'm with a
Starting point is 02:01:08 100% roll it. It is a five-alarm fire for democracy in the United States of America. Donald Trump, who's trying to light a torch on democracy, continue to try to rig the election. His agenda is failing. His presidency is failing. He knows the headwinds in a midterm. Now he's dialing up for seats. He called Greg Abbott. who doesn't have the courage, doesn't have the conscience. And he has rolled over, and he said, yes, sir, and. So we have got to step up.
Starting point is 02:01:46 We tried to play by a higher set of standards and rules with our independent redistricting, and we believe in that. We are talking about emergency measures to respond to what's happening in Texas, and we will nullify what happens in Texas. We will pick up five seats with the consent of the people, and that's the difference between the approach we're taking and the approach they're taking. There are no goals for Donald Trump. And this is a serious moment in American history.
Starting point is 02:02:15 And so we are here to meet this moment head on. We will not be complicit. See, that's how you got to respond. See, that's how, see, you've got to let them know. You want to swing, Reese, see, let's swing. better up I know that's right I look I I I support this version of Gavin Newsom I didn't support him sitting down with Charlie Kirk and sorry right right Benon and all them other people but he got with the program he realized okay this is a different ballgame that we're dealing with it is not going to be winning over the magalites they are lost cause and so I'll tip my head I give credit what credit is too I'll tip my head for what Governor Newsom is doing he he's he's out there trying to move the needle because the polling right now is not on his side when it comes to this independent commission. But unlike what Democrats normally do,
Starting point is 02:03:13 which is like, let the polls say that they're not with it. Well, the focus group say they're not with it. Let's just change course. He's like, no, we're going to change minds. Republicans do that all the time. And that's about damn time that Democrats are figuring out that you've got to start changing some minds from Democrats. Fuck the Mag of people.
Starting point is 02:03:31 Get the Democrats to be like, look, the Republicans are going to get all the seats. We need to get all the seats we can over here. So this is exactly what we need to be doing And I'm glad to see that he's not just saying Well, we have an independent commission What can we do? Governor Kathy Hokel is saying the same thing
Starting point is 02:03:45 Like look, our Constitution, maybe we've got to change that shit Well, we already jerrymattered here in Maryland So they ain't really too much for Governor Moore to do But no, no, no, no, no, no, no You can pick up one or two in Maryland Okay, yeah, we can pick up one or two But I'm just saying that I was going to say that what else he's doing is he's pushing back on this
Starting point is 02:04:06 whole National Guard activation as so many people in the mainstream media are trying to normalize well, what is the problem? We're bringing out people just to patrol the... Include some white progressives. Including white progressives and the black conservatives or whoever
Starting point is 02:04:22 no situation may be. And so we're seeing Democrats finally waking up to the fact that you have to win the narrative war. You have to push back. You have to activate the different levers that we have where we are in power to try to counter some of this stuff. Roland, one point I did want to ask you about is, you know, we talk so much about fighting
Starting point is 02:04:41 and blood, sweat, and tears, and yet we see that Republicans get these games without busting a greak. They fund think tanks. They fund all kinds of packs. They fund universities. They fund every kind of organization under the sun. They lay out the plan. They stay on message. They execute. I'm curious to see. as the great work that you do here, you have the statistics in terms of how you moved up in the YouTube rankings.
Starting point is 02:05:14 I think you were at top, who does it, top 50, top 40, number 40. Top 40, okay. Have you seen them if you don't tell us? No. Okay. Because I was going to say the problem is on our side, we always got to do shit the hard way.
Starting point is 02:05:29 Nope. As opposed to people being willing to invest in those that have credibility, those that already have, an infrastructure, which Black Star Network does. Nope. And invest in these apparatuses. Nope. Nope.
Starting point is 02:05:45 I figured, but I figured I would aim. No, now, now, I've had a couple of people text. Hey, well, I'm like, right? And see, here's the crazy, here's a crazy thing that just trips me out. When you talk about that YouTube list, go through it. Ain't no other In 1920, a magazine article announced something incredible. Two young girls had photographed real fairies.
Starting point is 02:06:16 But even more extraordinary than the magazine article's claim was the identity of the man who wrote the article, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, the man who wrote Sherlock Holmes. Yes, the man who invented literature's most brilliant detective was fooled by two girls into thinking fairies were real. How did they do it? And why does it seem like so many smart people keep falling for outlandish tricks? These are the questions we explore in hoax,
Starting point is 02:06:48 a new podcast from me, Dana Schwartz, the host of Noble Blood. And me, Lizzie Logan. Every episode will explore one of the most audacious and ambitious tricks in history, from the fake Shakespeare's to balloon boys, and try to answer the question of why we believe what we believe. Listen to hoax on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Noah. I'm 13.
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Starting point is 02:09:13 Of the black people on the list is one black conservative do and I think frankly, first of all I think his numbers of bullshit I straight up
Starting point is 02:09:27 because you can't tell me you got a total of 8th 305 videos on YouTube. We got 23,000 videos on YouTube, and then you're in the top 40, and you only have 15,000 Instagram followers,
Starting point is 02:09:41 you only have 10,000 Twitter followers, and you only have 100,000 TikTok followers, but you in the top 30 on YouTube, yeah, I ain't buying them numbers. That sounds like some Carlos Watson shit to me, but that's another story. But
Starting point is 02:09:56 to your point, and I ain't gonna say, I ain't, I ain't going to say the name, but you got one billionaire, multi-billionaire, progressive. And a staffer said they scared.
Starting point is 02:10:17 Y'all, she got, you know, I love, I love watching the show billions. And I was re-watching the other day. I went back, I don't know why I decided to just, I don't know why I decided
Starting point is 02:10:31 go back and just, shit, watch the beginning of billions. And I said, I said, and I forgot, I literally forgot why Bobby Axelrod and the U.S. Attorney. I forgot why they clashed. And so, like, in the first two episodes, Bobby, the billionaire, was going to buy an $80 million house on the beach. And the U.S. attorney said, how bad is going to look you told, don't you buy the house. And then they went to Bobby and said,
Starting point is 02:11:07 Bobby, ain't going to look good. You're buying the house. You shouldn't buy the house. And then Bobby decided he wasn't going to buy the house. And then the U.S. attorney, played by Paul Giumadi, said to him, yeah, don't you buy that house? And Bobby said, you know, what's the point of having fuck you money if you never say fuck you?
Starting point is 02:11:29 Here's the problem to your point. You see, the black billionaires, the white billionaires who got four, five, six, seven, eight, ten, twenty billion, they scared of Trump. The only one who ain't scared of Trump is George Soros. And here's the crazy part. George, the guy who used to be the top investor for George. Soros is Donald Trump's Treasury Secretary. So George Soros, he don't give a damn about them. But what you just said, Reese, is a bunch of these folks, they're scared.
Starting point is 02:12:18 They're scared. I'm telling you right now, I was at the Black Women's Expo in Chicago, massive number of sponsors who were there last year, not there this year. they came to Mary Green and said could you take black out of the black women's Expo and just call it the Women's Expo straight up companies are scared
Starting point is 02:12:44 Greg made the point earlier Harvard Buckling Donald Trump said I am going to take the power of this office and I am going to attack every single institution and I am going to bring all of them to heal
Starting point is 02:13:04 and he says I'm attack academic I'm attack media so Disney settles CBS settles they all settle and now they're all scared and I had to and all this is happening and you're sitting here going well damn your ass got $5 billion you got $10 billion you got $20 billion
Starting point is 02:13:26 and you scared And that's what's going on. And after all that talk, Resey, about, oh, how we need to fund the infrastructure and we got beat this that and the other? Silence. Cricot. Silence.
Starting point is 02:13:42 Crickets. And I'm sitting, and I'm talking about, all the institutions, labor institutions, all these other particular groups. And I'm just sitting here saying, okay, all right, let's see what y'all going to do for 2020. And see, Reese, I don't already made it clear. I'd have made it clear, Greg.
Starting point is 02:14:02 If y'all think that I'm going to take a crumb and go, this is a great meal, I said, I will keep my black ass at home and do the show from the crib. Because what you, I said, you will not see me extend myself. Oh, I have an entire game plan. I have a whole game plan on how we can broadcast all across the country. There are four people right now who I have in my back pocket who I can hire to host two daily shows. I know exactly how much is going to cost to pay them. I know exactly a couple of them.
Starting point is 02:14:46 I haven't even approached them yet. I already have the exact plan. I have a plan in place right now that if we got a $5 million infusion annually for the next three years, years, I will hire 40 people. I already have the plan. But what I'm not going to do is over-extend myself on the possibility of getting a check. That's not going to happen. That's not how we've remained profitable and kept our doors open and not had to lay our staff. But let me be real clear, oh, we are ready to swing in 2006, but I've made it perfectly clear. But I've made it perfectly to black folks and white folks don't think you're going to get me to leave this office
Starting point is 02:15:36 and have my staff leave this office if you are going to put pennies on the table. Greg. I mean, rolling you just laid it out, brother. I think, you know, and it's interesting, and I've said this before, the day after the 2016 election, when I was still responsible for the College of Arts in a freshman seminar at Howard, we devoted our regular noon to 1 p.m. hour. With over 1,000 first-year students at Howard, we opened the doors of Cranston Auditorium and invited everyone in to have an open conversation about what had happened, because this
Starting point is 02:16:22 is a bunch of 18, 19-year-olds who had never been through something like this. What I reminded them of and what my colleagues reminded them of, we had a panel of folks talked to them, is that it is in these moments that the heroes appear. Out of Bell Wells appeared not at a high point in African experiences in the United States, but during the nadir. This is the point where you see the heroic figures. Black Star Network is not going to bow or buckle. CBS has destroyed itself, and you know this better than I do, brother, because you have been there. The concept of goodwill and business doesn't have a dollar figure attached to the value of a business. It is the intangible character of the business that translates into value when you can rely on it.
Starting point is 02:17:10 Ain't nobody check up for CBS now? What you did to yourself through 60 minutes, look at ABC. It starts with George Stephanopheles and a little bit of payment, and then it continues to transform. When you call yourself appeasing and bowing down by what you did to Stephen Colbert, CBS, and then you've got this religious zealotist clown Brendan Carr at the FCC who's not satisfied. You've got them
Starting point is 02:17:33 as you mentioned at the beginning of the show trying to swap out the PBS this right-wing online curriculum development business. At the end of the day, the Black Star Network's strength is in its truth-telling capacity.
Starting point is 02:17:49 As these things continue worse before they get better, more and more people will look to those places that they can rely on to tell the truth. Donald Trump was called the best friend by the person who's a convicted child rapist. He's my best friend. He's my best friend for 10 years. His hench woman who participated in these sex crimes has now been moved to a minimum
Starting point is 02:18:15 security prison and clearly that they're lining it up for her in exchange for not opening her mouth to walk at some point. But one thing is clear. If you're going to report this in some kind of both-sidism, some kind of bizarre propping up of a madman, a convicted felon who fomented the worst case of violence in the history of Washington, D.C. on January the 6th, 2021, then you've lost all credibility. You call a spade a spade. You tell the truth as you see it. You surround yourself with truth-tellers and continue to pry forward. But you don't have to worry about having to do the show from the crib. Because guess what? That's the thing where people say, if you touch this one, we've got something for you.
Starting point is 02:19:01 This is a heroic age. And when we back finally, however long that period is in the future when we look back, we will see that the Black Star Network will be among those entities that rose to the occasion. And that's how you determine how you win. You don't determine how you win by who doesn't think you can win and makes a deal. You determine who wins by who tells the truth and who is consistent. And that's how you move forward. The other day, a friend of mine out of New York prophetess Etna Johnson Sneed, I was talking to her.
Starting point is 02:19:32 And she said, Roland, let me be clear, touch not my anointed. She said, when you know what you are doing what God's will is, she said, I dare those to try to come after you because they're touching one of God's anointed. And see, there are a lot of our people who are afraid. Y'all, at the top of this show, y'all heard me vigorously push and prod and challenge my fat brother, Ron Reynolds, the chair of Texas, the chairman of Texas Black Linslator Caucus. And see, when I was speaking about that, and people were asking me, somebody say, man, man, well, where all this come from? I said, come from my grandparents, I come from my mama and daddy. I said, but they come from ancestors. And see, I think about that certain scene in Selma.
Starting point is 02:20:25 Yeah. When Carmody Jogo playing Curtis Scott King was preparing to meet with Malcolm X and she was afraid. And then Lorraine Toussaint, who played the woman who called Dr. King to come to Selma. Amelia Boynton, when she has some words for her, and we're going to end the show with this because, see, I need every single one of y'all watching to listen to these words that Ava DuVernay wrote
Starting point is 02:21:02 in that movie, and she should have forced a hand of that white writer to say, no, it's going to be a co-writing credit on this movie, because he didn't write these words. I need everybody who's scared I need everybody who's afraid I need everybody who's unsure I need everybody who's like I don't know man I ain't like you I don't know I need you to listen to this
Starting point is 02:21:25 because these words and I was this way before the movie but these are the words that resonate in my soul every single day that causes me and other us to say, no, we ain't backing down from this fight. I need you try to listen to this.
Starting point is 02:21:50 I'll tell you what I know to be true. It helps me in times when I'm feeling unsure, if you'd like. Please do, Ms. Bonson. I know that we are descendants of a mighty people who gave civilization to the world. People who survived the hulls of slave ships across the Fast oceans, people who innovate and create and love, despite pressures and tortures, unimaginable. They are in our bloodstream pumping our hearts every second.
Starting point is 02:22:30 They've prepared you. You are already prepared. That's it right there, Risi. We are already prepared for this fight. final comment and Greg's final comment. That's it. We are prepared, but what we're going to do about it? That's the
Starting point is 02:22:51 question. That's the question that everybody's banking on being nothing. Let's prove them wrong. Greg, coming does live from Egypt. I echo rolling that, and that's why I'm here. That's why I'm here with about 130 people
Starting point is 02:23:10 from all over the United States and from the continent of Africa. A shout out to my man, Yoko Rekosome, one of the, if not the baddest Egyptologist, on the African continent who's come to us from Kenya. We're here for the very reason that we just heard of the Ranger Sont, portraying the great Amelian Boyden Robinson, what she said. We are the descendants of the people who gave the world civilization. In fact, we are the descendants from the people who gave the world people. The first people, every person who ever walks this earth, no matter how crazy they have become. You came from the womb of an African woman if you trace it back far enough.
Starting point is 02:23:47 This is light work what we're facing right now. It doesn't mean it's not lethal. It doesn't mean it's not dangerous. It doesn't mean that it won't be easy. But it does mean that we've seen much worse. And that the worst that we've seen is in recent memory and recent history. All we have to do is remember, as Marcus Garvey said, what people have done, people can do. and remember that your people
Starting point is 02:24:12 are the people that made people possible that created everything that laid the foundation for everything that will ever be on this little ball we call Earth and that we can make the changes necessary to transform the society we live in
Starting point is 02:24:31 we've done it before and we can and will do it again folks y'all have heard me on this show often reference my parents and the work that they did
Starting point is 02:24:51 and you've heard me talk about that earlier I was in a chat we were having this conversation and I was saying to them repeatedly repeatedly
Starting point is 02:25:12 why this is personal to me what did I say earlier I'm 56 years old 57 in November 7, 8, 9, 10, 12 standing outside of election polls at the Clinton Park Recreation Center, handing out campaign
Starting point is 02:25:46 material for whoever was running, who my mom and dad had told us we're going to hand stuff out for. I remember when my mama was the three citywide co-chairs of the Metropolitan Organization, a multi-faith organization in Houston. And I remember being on the bus with her going to the Austin State Capitol for a rally on a Saturday. I remember a mayoral debate
Starting point is 02:26:16 in the gymnasium of a Catholic church and mama's on stage with the two mayoral candidates and they're asking questions, they're being asked questions, and I'm in the back doing homework. See, I remember being at home with my brother and my three sisters and mom and daddy were coming home because they were running phone banks. I remember being a child
Starting point is 02:26:53 and being careful about getting splinters in our hand from unloading campaign signs in the back of a wagon. So I need you to understand that for me, this battle is not about what makes me feel good or what makes my brother and my sister feel good. I need black people to understand that whether we are in Texas or North Carolina or Georgia or Alabama or Mississippi or Arkansas or Louisiana or Illinois or Missouri or Michigan or Wisconsin or California in any of these states that literally what we are doing right now has an impact on a black child that is yet to be born. Have you ever looked at a piece of abstract art or music or poetry and thought that's
Starting point is 02:28:04 just a bunch of pretentious nonsense? Well, that's exactly what two. board Australian soldiers set out to prove during World War II, when they pulled off what was either a bold literary hoax or a grand poetic experiment, publishing over a dozen intentionally bad but highly acclaimed works of expressionist poetry under the name Earn Malley in an incident that caused a media firestorm and even a criminal trial. The Earn Malley episode made fools of believers and critics alike and still fascinates poetry lovers to this day. We break down the truth the lies in the poetry in between on hoax, a new podcast hosted by me, Lizzie Logan,
Starting point is 02:28:41 and me, Dana Schwartz. Every episode, hoax explores an audacious fraud or ruse from history from forged artworks to the original fake news to try and answer why we believe. Listen to hoax on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Noah. I'm 13, and as you might have seen from the news, I got a podcast. And I explain those. fake headlines like your uncle would, like your cousin would if he actually did the research. Honestly, adults don't ask the right questions.
Starting point is 02:29:14 Now you know with Noah DeBarrasso is a show about influence. Who's got it, how they use it, and what it means for the rest of you. It's not the news. It's what the news should be if someone Gen Z or Gen Alpha made it. And I'm watching everything. The majority
Starting point is 02:29:29 of the youth, 18 through 24, say they trust Republicans more than Democrats to differ on the economy. You kidding me. Politics is wild and I'm definitely not here to pay it, but I'm here to make sense of it. Just what's happening, why it matters, and what it means for us.
Starting point is 02:29:48 Bring your brain. Listen to Now You Know with Noah DeBarras on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And here's Heather with the weather. Well, it's beautiful out there, sunny and 75, almost a little chilly in the shade. Now, let's get a read on the inside of your car. It is hot.
Starting point is 02:30:10 You've only been parked a short time, and it's already 99 degrees in there. Let's not leave children in the back seat while running errands. It only takes a few minutes for their body temperatures to rise, and that could be fatal. Cars get hot, fast, and can be deadly. Never leave a child in a car. A message from Nitsai and the Ad Council. Our IHeart Radio Music Festival, presented by Capital One, is coming back to Las Vegas. Vegas.
Starting point is 02:30:35 19th and 20th. On your feet. Streaming live only on Hulu. Ladies and gentlemen. Brian Adams. Ed Sheeran. Fade. Chlorilla.
Starting point is 02:30:42 Jellyroll. John Fogarty. Lil Wayne. L.L. Cool J. Mariah Carey. Maroon 5. Sammy Hagar. Tate McCraig.
Starting point is 02:30:50 The offspring. Tim McRaw. Tickets are on sale now at AXS.com. Get your tickets today. AXS.com. Polaroid Revolutionary Workers, when they were fighting against apartheid, I was too.
Starting point is 02:31:10 And it wasn't until I was in college when Nelson Mandela got released. These folks lost jobs. And when we're sitting here right now talking about planning our next trip to Martha's Vineyard, going to Cairns in the south of France talking about
Starting point is 02:31:41 what our plans are for homecoming at HBCUs I ain't got nothing against none of us having any fun whatsoever but I take it back to what Harold Belafonte said when I sat with him that he thought was going to be one of his he literally said to me this is he said the reason I made it here I didn't want to come he said because this is likely going to be my final interview
Starting point is 02:32:05 It wasn't. He didn't pass for several more years, but he actually thought it was. Because when it was over, we were talking privately. He said to me, Roland, I love us out of France. He said, but the reason I'm still here because I am here to fight, to make real what they put on paper, because this is also ours. And so I don't give a damn if those fashions are two blocks from right here. somebody said to me man ain't too scared to them ag people
Starting point is 02:32:37 I said we two blocks away they know where we at when I think back to that picture that sister when they had them bayonets and she just moved that bayonet out the way there's got to be something that black folks today
Starting point is 02:33:02 give a damn about that is so real that it's so potent that it's so powerful that they say you know what I got to block all that crap out because I got to fight for somebody I don't even know I am a student of history and I'm telling y'all what we are looking at right now
Starting point is 02:33:28 it's no different than what happened after Reconstruction in 1877. Don't take my word for it. Go do the work. Go look at how they invalidate it. The civil rights law passed in 1860s,
Starting point is 02:33:54 in the one in 1870s. Go back and understand Placely verse Ferguson. Go back and understand the black laws. Go back and understand what took place. Go back and understand that 1890 Constitutional Convention in Mississippi where they said, oh, no, it's too many niggas getting elected. Go back to understand when black people were a majority of the South Carolina legislature.
Starting point is 02:34:21 And go back and look at what happened in Wilmington, North Carolina, when white fascists, not the KKK, but the red shirts when they said we are going to overthrow a democratically elected government and they ran those black people out of that city. There is a direct connection between what happened then to what happens now. And when they say, let's make America great again, that is what they're talking about.
Starting point is 02:35:12 They're talking about what happened in Wilmington. They're talking about what happened when they burn and bombed Tulsa. They're talking about when they bombed Ida B. Wells Barnett newspaper and put a bounty on her head. They're talking about every single, they call them race war, but it was actually a white supremacist war against our people. This is not the moment for us to check out. This is not the moment for us to rest.
Starting point is 02:35:45 This is not the moment for us to be unwilling to challenge. This is the absolute moment when people have to be willing to mobilize and organize and be willing to stand up to these races because it's more of us of conscience than them but they take an advantage of too many of us feeling
Starting point is 02:36:09 deflated and defeated that this moment you've got to make a decision which side your ass going to be on and if you are unwilling to engage in this battle
Starting point is 02:36:27 I have one simple requests, get your ass out of the way so we don't have to run you over because we are not satisfied with what is happening right now, and I be damn, as long as there is breath in my mama and my daddy's body and my body and other people of conscious, we're going to fight. fight these folk to the end, and we will haunt their ass in death. Greg, thanks for joining us in Egypt. Resey, thanks for joining us as well. Folks, your support for this show is critical.
Starting point is 02:37:17 I was literally sitting here, y'all don't even understand why this is happening. I picked up last week. These are money orders. These are checks. These are more checks of folk who, don't believe in cash yet, Venmo, PayPal, Zelle, but they send money orders and checks. And I appreciate every single one. And I had to sit here and open the envelope today.
Starting point is 02:37:37 I had to sit here and sign the back of these envelopes. I've got to take a picture of each one and deposit in. So it's going to take me some time to do so. So Etna Dogget, you sent me an email. I have your check. I know it was sent July 24th, but I told y'all when y'all sent checks, y'all got to give us two months to process them because, y'all, it's a whole lot right here. and we've had folk out here
Starting point is 02:37:59 who've been supporting us from day one and we appreciate that September 4th we celebrate seven years you heard Recy ask the question and yeah we don't have billionaires and millionaires and millionaires cutting us checks and it's a whole bunch of millionaires and billionaires out there y'all say man what about those black folks
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Starting point is 02:38:41 of that, we need your support. I didn't say we want your support. We need your support. because there's no other black-owned media company that's doing what we're doing. Not one. There's no other black-owned media company that has a daily, as a nightly news, digital news show. Not one. We've got four other shows.
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Starting point is 02:43:11 We can win. But you cannot win a fight if you do not fight back. I'll see you tomorrow right here on the Black Star Network. Howl! art or music or poetry and thought, that's just a bunch of pretentious nonsense.
Starting point is 02:43:50 That's exactly what two bored Australian soldiers set out to prove during World War II when they tricked the literary world with their intentionally bad poetry, setting off a major scandal. We break down the truth, the lies, and the poetry in between on hoax, a new podcast hosted by me, Lizzie Logan, and me, Dana Schwartz. Every episode, Hoax explores an audacious fraud or ruse from history. Listen to Hoax on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you. you get your podcasts.
Starting point is 02:44:19 When I became a journalist, I was the first Latina in the newsrooms where I worked. I'm Maria Inojosa. I spent my career creating journalism that centers voices who have been historically sidelined. From the most pressing news stories to deep cultural explorations, Latino USA is journalism with heart. Listen to Latino USA, the longest running Latino news and culture show in the United States. Hear it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Pond, Or wherever you get your podcasts. And here's Heather with the weather.
Starting point is 02:44:52 Well, it's beautiful out there, sunny and 75, almost a little chilly in the shade. Now, let's get a read on the inside of your car. It is hot. You've only been parked a short time, and it's already 99 degrees in there. Let's not leave children in the back seat while running errands. It only takes a few minutes for their body temperatures to rise, and that could be fatal. Cars get hot, fast, and can be deadly. Never leave a child in a car.
Starting point is 02:45:19 A message from Nitsa and the Ad Council. Our IHeart Radio Music Festival, presented by Capital One, is coming back to Las Vegas. Vegas. September 19th and 20th. On your feet. Streaming live only on Hulu. Ladies and gentlemen. Brian Adams.
Starting point is 02:45:32 Ed Sheeran. Fade. Glorilla. Jelly Roll. John Fogarty. Lil Wayne. L.L. Cool J. Mariah Carey.
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