#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Tim Scott's George Floyd Act lies; Trump's Omarosa NDA nixed; GOP blocks debt hike, Shutdown looms

Episode Date: September 29, 2021

9.28.21 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Tim Scott LIES, blames Dems for George Floyd Act failure; Trump’s NDA on Omarosa overturned; #BlackAndMissing: 37-year-old Ashley Guillory was last seen in Houston, ...Texas on September 4, 2021; Reparations hearing for three surviving descendants of the Tulsa Race Massacre begins; Tennessee Senator Katrina Robinson acquitted; Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Milley says the Afghanistan war was a "strategic failure"; Government shutdown looms after Repubs block debt-limit hike; Former Pres. Barack Obama and former First lady Michelle Obama attend the groundbreaking ceremony of the Obama Presidential Center; Haiti's Prime Minister moves presidential election to 2022; New study shows students of color in high-poverty areas had a lower achievement rate during the 2020-2021 school year; Crazy a$$ FedEx driver won't deliver to house with BLM, Biden, or Harris flags; Crazy a$$ 'Dog Park Debbie' tells Black coupoleto "stay in your hood"; National Inventors Hall of Fame inducts two Black womenSupport #RolandMartinUnfiltered and #BlackStarNetwork via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛ https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfilteredDownload the #BlackStarNetwork app on iOS, AppleTV, Android, Android TV, Roku, FireTV, SamsungTV and XBox#RolandMartinUnfiltered and the #BlackStarNetwork are news reporting platforms covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart Podcast. Martin! Today is Tuesday, September 28th, 2021. Coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Streaming live on the Black Star Network. Senator Tim Scott. Oh, I called BS on him yesterday. How he blamed Democrats for the George Floyd Justice Act not passing. Why did he lie? Why did he contradict himself?
Starting point is 00:01:13 And why are the police unions now saying, no, Democrats did not want to defund the police? Ooh, I cannot wait to break it down for you. An arbitrator rules against Donald Trump in the non-disclosure agreement dispute with Omarosa Manigault Newman. She'll join us to discuss her big win over the loser, Donald Trump.
Starting point is 00:01:40 On trial for wild fraud, theft and embezzlement, a Tennessee state senator is fighting back. She's already acquitted on 15 to 20 charges. We'll talk with the president of the Memphis NAACP and the President National Bar Association about her case. During today's Senate Armed Services Committee hearing, General Mark Milley laid out Arkansas Senator Tom Cotton. That ain't really hard to do,
Starting point is 00:02:05 because Tom Cotton's a white nationalist. General Milley schools Cotton on what it really means to serve the Commander-in-Chief. Survivors and descendants of the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre are asking Oklahoma court to give them reparations. And Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen says the U.S. could run out of money by next month because Republicans
Starting point is 00:02:25 refuse to lift the debt ceiling. Also in education matters, we'll talk to a man who created a resource to help students, parents and teachers for free. And today's craziest white person doesn't have a job because he refused to deliver FedEx packages to people who supported President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris or even Black Lives Matter. Folks, it is time to bring the funk.
Starting point is 00:02:47 I'm Roland Martin, unfiltered, streaming live with the Black Star Network. Let's rolling. Best belief he's knowing. Putting it down from sports to news to politics. With entertainment just for kicks. He's rolling. It's Uncle Roro, y'all. It's Rolling Martin. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Rolling with rolling now. He's funky, he's fresh, he's real. All right, folks, in on Capitol Hill today, here the Joint Chief of Staff, let's just say he had a few words to say to Senator Tom Cotton. OK, so they had this hearing talking about Afghanistan. Republicans were outraged. And Cotton was like, why didn't you resign over President Joe Biden not taking your advice? This is how Milley responded. General Milley, I can only conclude that your advice about staying in Afghanistan was rejected. I'm shocked to learn that your advice wasn't sought until August 25th on staying past the August 31 deadline. I understand that you're the principal military advisor, that you advise, you don't decide, the president decides.
Starting point is 00:04:30 But if all this is true, General Milley, why haven't you resigned? Senator, as a senior military officer, resigning is a really serious thing. It's a political act if I'm resigning in protest. My job is to provide advice. My statutory responsibility is to provide legal advice or best military advice to the president. And that's my legal requirement. That's what the law is. The president doesn't have to agree with that advice. He doesn't have to make those decisions just because we're generals. And it would be an incredible act of political defiance for a commissioned officer to just resign because my advice is not taken. This country doesn't want generals figuring out what orders we are going to accept and do or not. That's not our job.
Starting point is 00:05:20 The principle of civilian control of the military is absolute. It's critical to this republic. In addition to that, just from a personal standpoint, my dad didn't get a choice to resign at Iwo Jima, and those kids that are at Abbey Gate, they don't get a choice to resign. And I'm not going to turn my back on them. I'm not going to resign. They can't resign, so I'm not going to resign. There's no way.
Starting point is 00:05:39 If the orders are illegal, we're in a different place. But if the orders are legal from civilian authority, I intend to carry them out. Oh! See, that's what happens when you have leaders. Teresa Lundy is principal founder of TML Communications. Dr. Mustafa Santayal Ghali, former senior advisor for the Environmental Justice
Starting point is 00:05:57 at the EPA, will be joined later by Amisha Cross. You know, Mustafa, it's so hilarious to listen to these Republicans. Why didn't you resign? It's like, Mustafa, it's so hilarious to listen to these Republicans. You know, why didn't you resign? It's like, dude, really? Really? I mean, other
Starting point is 00:06:13 presidents have made calls where the generals disagreed. This whole notion that, oh, whatever the generals say, let's do. That's how we screwed up Vietnam. Well, you know, General Milley is a G, and I mean that in every sense of the word.
Starting point is 00:06:31 You know, he understands what honor is. He understands what respect is. He also understands his oath. And many seem to be lacking on Capitol Hill in understanding their oath. So to see a man who stands up, who understands that he may be under fire, that the president may disagree with his recommendations, that he's still going to continue to stay in there, he's going to make sure that he's supporting his
Starting point is 00:06:57 troops, he's going to make sure that he supports his country, is what you expect out of a general, especially one that is not allowing politics to actually dissuade him or lead him in a different direction. So, you know, I have a lot of respect for General Milley. I know it's not an easy position that he's in, and he's going to make mistakes like everyone else, but you have to give it up to a person who stands on their principle and is willing to stand in the fray.
Starting point is 00:07:25 It really is hilarious to watch Republicans repeatedly, Teresa, try this little silly game of how dare you disagree with the generals when the fact of the matter is we elect a president to be the commander in chief. That's what it's all about. Republicans are a real good at then when they disagree with an action, then all of a sudden, how dare you? It's very interesting because Republicans talking points is all about following the Constitution, following the laws of the land. But when it is in the reverse, you always seem to hear the you're not on the right track or it's not a part of the agenda. So not only is it funny, I find it, you know, kind of disheartening just even as an American, as we pay our tax dollars into the system, because if we're not listening to the right stance of government as it relates to some of these foreign issues, then I think we're in a very difficult place. So Republicans will continue to allow themselves to act like they are the know-alls of situations versus trying to actually figure out a plan of action
Starting point is 00:08:48 so we can get to a better place. It's just repeated. The game that they play and just how nonsensical it is. It's just like this whole issue over the debt relief. Secretary of state Janet Yellen who says we are going to run out of money next month because of republicans choosing not to vote to increase the
Starting point is 00:09:13 debt ceiling. Now, remember, let me say this slowly, folks. During the presidency of Donald trump, republicans added $8 billion to the no, I'm sorry, $8 trillion to the federal deficit. Eight T-R-I-L-L-I-O-N.
Starting point is 00:09:45 When they needed to raise the debt ceiling, did the Democrats go, no, you do it? No, they said, America has never defaulted. And we won't. But now Mitch McConnell is saying, hell no. Y'all want to raise it? Do it out us. This is what Chuck Schumer said. Republicans really want to see the debt ceiling raised without providing a single vote.
Starting point is 00:10:11 I'm prepared to hold that vote. Leader McConnell today acknowledged addressing the debt limit is an urgent matter. But it's his party that's standing in the way of a quick resolution. This could get done today. Hmm. Same thing, Teresa. And this is what I keep saying to Democrats. Y'all trying to play by the rules. They ain't playing by rules. They playing hardball. And so if you don't respond in kind, you're going to get rolled. And that's exactly what we're seeing here.
Starting point is 00:10:57 I think if we had came with a stronger position, you know, and really started to put the agenda and allocated the funds where they needed to go. And when we had power, we we should do it. I don't see what the holdback is, but I'm sure there's a lot of, you know, areas that we are not seeing. But I think overall, the goal was to make sure that we do not default. The goal is to make sure that the budget allocation is right and it's fitted for our country. Because again, you know, when Donald Trump was in office, there was no scale to how much the country was spending. And now that he's out, it's almost like it's going to Biden's administration.
Starting point is 00:11:30 So I think they never really got their hands around it. And of course, the time is really running out here in order for a decision to be made. And here's the whole piece. So, all right. Now, Democrats, you got 50 votes. Take a vote.
Starting point is 00:11:48 And if Manchin and Sinema or somebody else choose not to vote, guess what? Blame them. That's exactly right. You know, it's amazing. You know, we voted for many Democrats because we believed in what Joe Biden's vision was for the country. And to have, you know, a couple of folks, we might as well just call their names out, Senator Sinema and Senator Manchin, to not get on board and do the right things, which actually helps to protect our country in so many different ways. You know, it sends a very clear sign about where their allegiances may actually lie. You know, if you allow the country to default, I want everybody to just
Starting point is 00:12:32 think about how you maybe over time have taken a hit to your credit and how it costs you more for everything in your life because of your credit being impacted. It's the same thing for countries. If you default, then that means that you are going to have a lower credit rating and then you are going to end up paying more for everything. And then it also does a number of different other things on the international scale as well, where folks can no longer trust your currency and folks can no longer trust many of the things that you're saying. So there are all these ripple effects that Republicans understand very well. And they understand they didn't want that to happen under Donald Trump. And that's the reason that they
Starting point is 00:13:14 gave him a blank check for everything that he introduced. And it's also the reason why they are trying to, as I often say, hit Biden with a thousand cuts to weaken him because he has an economy right now that's moving along. So they've got to figure out a way to get something to be able to talk about in the midterms that will resonate with everyday hardworking people. And that means you've got to impact the economy. So here's the deal. Government funding expires on Thursday. And what I keep saying to people is we see the game that they're going to play. This is what they do. And so you got the 50 votes.
Starting point is 00:14:00 Use them. See, this is where, I'm sorry, where you're Manchin or Sinema. Y'all keep talking about bipartisanship, bipartisanship. If these punk-ass Republicans won't even vote to increase the debt ceiling, they were never going to vote for the George Floyd Justice Act. You're never going to find 10 Republicans to support the For the People Act. They don't exist. It is a phantom notion that you can find 10 Republicans to go along with one of those measures. Yeah, people are still playing politics up there and they're really not thinking strategically.
Starting point is 00:14:37 Rowling, you've been saying that from the beginning that, you know, if the votes are there, then we should use them. And if the votes aren't there, it's almost like we're beating the horn continuously with no response. So, again, we don't want the government to run out of money. But, again, we have to use the power that we have as Democrats and those that we voted into office. We expect them to do the right thing, especially as it relates to our country. All right, folks, let's talk about doing the right thing. You know, Donald Trump, we all know he lost, even though he refuses to accept that he got his ass whooped. Well, guess what? When you get checked out of public housing like he did, that means
Starting point is 00:15:23 you lost. No, you didn't win. And he keeps losing. They lost in court numerous times when it came to, again, his lying claims about him winning the election and it being rigged. It wasn't. It was a lie. It was a big-ass lie. Now he loses again.
Starting point is 00:15:42 And remember all the names that he called his former aide, Omarosa Manigault Newman? Well, this whole issue about this non-disclosure agreement. So he required all of the people working on this campaign to sign NDAs. The fool even had the people in the White House sign NDAs. Y'all, they're
Starting point is 00:15:59 taxpayer funded. You can't do that. So they went to arbitration. Well, an arbitrator agreed with Omarosa with her argument that the non-disclosure agreement she signed while working for Trump's 2016 campaign is invalid under New York contract law.
Starting point is 00:16:17 Hmm. Now, he sued her after she released her 2018 book, Unhinged, an insider's account of the Trump White House. Well, she joins us right now from Jacksonville, Florida. Omarosa, glad to have you here. In addition to winning, the campaign has to pay your legal fees?
Starting point is 00:16:34 Yes, they do. They have to pay my legal fees and all costs as well. So it's quite a victory, but also a victory for all the other staffers who have been gagged and who have been silenced and not able to share what they've experienced during their time in the White House or on his campaign. So because this arbitrator is ruling, so if anyone else who signed, again, NDAs with the campaign, are they now free to talk or could he just try to sue them and then force all of them to go to an individual arbitrator as well? Yeah, certainly. Because of this decision, which is a bit groundbreaking, it basically throws out his NDA as it relates to the campaign, as well as to the White House. As you said, it's unprecedented that he had White House staffers sign NDAs, but particularly with these NDAs that he's used the same template, by the way,
Starting point is 00:17:30 for years. And the arbitrator said it was just too ambiguous and too vague, and he threw it out. So anyone else who finds himself being sued by Donald Trump, like I have, will be face-to-face with him. And he has already taken an L in this area and they probably would be victorious. So clearly his camp not particularly happy that he lost. And he called you all sorts of names after your book came out. He actually gave a statement, which I'm so glad that most of these newspapers have decided not to print the statement. He gave a statement this morning in response to the decision, and it said nothing about his loss. He only attacked me and my character and wished me
Starting point is 00:18:20 great failure in my life forever. It was just bizarre. And I'm just grateful that he doesn't have Twitter because I'm sure he would have continued with the insults and the name-calling. Oh, I didn't even realize the idiot sent out a statement. He did. And so let's see here. Let's see here.
Starting point is 00:18:41 The only publication that printed it was The Hill. Well, first of all, let's just be clear. The Hill is a right-wing outlet. Yes. That's what they are. And, you know, the guy who owned it, he was trying to do deals with them. So let's just be real clear in terms of what they are. They are indeed in Oregon.
Starting point is 00:19:03 And you're right. I mean, he's pissed off that he doesn't have Twitter to attack people. And then the press breathlessly reports everything that he says, aiding and abetting whatever he wants to do. Well, I think the biggest, I think, injury to his followers is this was the campaign that sued me. So all of those individuals giving donations to Donald Trump and going out to his rally and buying all of his items to support his funding, the money to reimburse my attorney for my legal fees and all
Starting point is 00:19:30 my costs, which is well into the seven figures, are going to come from those low-dollar donors who have supported Donald Trump. And he continues this grift. He continues to take from these followers, acting as if he's going to support them or try to improve their lives. Instead, he's just utilizing it to fund all of these frivolous lawsuits. And so the sad part is all of that money that he's about to pay me is coming from his supporters and from donors who've tried to, you know, further his political career. And that's really what that whole thing, a grift, is. And they're just funding his sheer stupidity. And I said it, and I don't care. If you're a MAGA person, give him money, Donald Trump, you're stupid as well because this dude is playing you like he played folks from day one.
Starting point is 00:20:18 Yes, but I have one more lawsuit left. Donald Trump utilized the Justice Department to go after me in another unprecedented lawsuit so I'm still facing legal situation with him. He decided to sue me for a document that I attempted to file of course he blocked me from filing and then sued me and under this particular act only two people in the history of the act in 20 years have been brought up and the largest fee that they've ever seen has been about $1,500. Donald Trump has asked that they fine me $60,000 for a late form, essentially, which would equate to about a $25 fine. But again, he is utilizing the government to go after his political rivals. And so hopefully
Starting point is 00:21:00 very soon the Justice Department will make a ruling about that frivolous lawsuit as well. And obviously his what is amazing is that what he did in that case, just sheer silence from Republicans who clearly had no problem with him using the authority of the Justice Department to attack people he didn't like. Yeah, you know, there's so many lawsuits that he filed while president, and he asked the AG at that time to go after all of the individuals who decided to speak out, to shine some light on the wrongdoing, who decided to be a whistleblower. And so, yes, he used Justice Department attorneys. He used Justice Department resources. And it's unprecedented. So I'm expecting that that decision will come in the next couple of months. And then once that's done, I can focus on my future, focus on law school, and continue the work that I'm doing here in Jacksonville.
Starting point is 00:21:59 So do you—I'll ask you the last question here. Obviously, he's holding his rallies. Do you think that he definitely plans on running in 2024? Well, that's if his health holds up. I mean, Donald Trump has had problems with his health for years. He, even in the White House, hid some of the heart conditions that he had and heart issues. The doctors never told the truth about those issues. And I think that the stress and the strain of being on a political campaign, on a presidential campaign, can really
Starting point is 00:22:31 wear on him. I think he desires to, but I don't know that he has the health or even the mental agility to do it again. And Roland, I just want to quickly shout out, my legal team was made up of four people, three of which were African-Americans. So Joey Jackson, who I know, you know, J. Wendell Gordon and Erica Jackson, who is also a Southern University graduate, HBCU grad. And then, of course, John Phillips, Alexander Jacksonville. So I had a great team, but predominantly African-American teams that defeated Donald Trump in this arbitration. All right.
Starting point is 00:23:03 Omarosa, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thanks, Roland. Bye bye. Take care. Let's bring in this arbitration. All right. Omarosa, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thanks, Roland. Bye-bye. Take care. Let's bring in my panel here. Amisha Cross joins us right now. Teresa Lundy and Mustafa Santago, Ali, Amisha. There's nothing better than seeing Donald Trump keep taking L's.
Starting point is 00:23:19 I absolutely agree, Roland. I think that there was an assumption, at least from Trump camp, that once he left presidential office, a lot of his wrongdoings and misgivings would be swept under the rug, that he had beaten a lot of the things that he was accused of. And thus far, we're just not seeing that happen. It gets deeper and deeper every single day. He's not able to run away from the tragic misgivings and the idea that he was going to steal the election, the workings he did around that, the illegal things that he did at the head of the Trump organization. There's so much when it comes to chickens coming home to roost for Donald Trump
Starting point is 00:23:54 that this is just the beginning of what I think will be a very long process of unraveling for the former president. You know, I just, it's the loss after loss after loss. And the thing that's a trip, Mustafa, he's always threatening. He threatens everybody. And it's kind of like, dude, you're a loser. You're a loser. You can call Joe Biden sleepy all day. He can't pay from his basement. He wants to whooped your ass from his basement. Yeah. It's amazing. Donald Trump is like an old journeyman boxer who just keeps getting
Starting point is 00:24:31 hit in the head and in the gut and keeps wanting to go forward thinking that one day he could be champ. Well, you can't be champ when you keep getting all these L's. I'm sorry. This is not a Rocky movie. And you know, Donald Trump is used to being a bully. He's used to beating up on people who he thinks doesn't have power. And because he thinks they
Starting point is 00:24:50 don't have power, he uses those NDAs and other legal sort of ways of kind of jacking people up. But, you know, time is up. You know, you no longer can do that type of stuff. So whether it's New York State coming for you or the feds coming for you or a number of other bad business deals where people are now coming for you, you know, you're going to keep taking L's. So you should just go ahead and sit down and fade off into the sunset. Because if you keep trying to get back up, folks going to keep knocking you down. This is why, Teresa, as Mustafa said, when you're dealing with a bully, you punch a bully in the face. Yeah, and I think, you know, Omarosa's account of her history and the many others that have written books and has done talks about what's going on in the White House under Trump.
Starting point is 00:25:40 Again, this is a history-breaking moment, and I believe that there's going to be a lot more wins coming from individuals, consultants, and even staffers. And I do think it's a win for everyone else. I mean, because those who have worked on political campaigns know that there is a lot of stress. There is a lot of inside moves that sometimes you can talk about and sometimes you can't. And so you just really have to make those strategic decisions with the candidate that you ultimately choose. So it is what it is. I think Donald Trump probably needs to find a new law firm or maybe he should just stop trying to sue people since it's not looking good. Keep bullying folks. Then you're going to get your behind whooped. All right, y'allall gotta go to break. We come back on Roland Martin Unfiltered.
Starting point is 00:26:26 We'll talk about a case out of Tennessee where feds are going after a state senator there. They hit him with 20 charges. 15 have now been thrown out. Mmm. We'll talk about that with the head of the National Bar Association and the head of Memphis NAACP. Also, Senator Tim Scott.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Oh, he was quite busy on the Sunday shows blasting Democrats for walking away from the table and not negotiating fairly and trying to defund the police. So, why are two major police unions saying that's a lie?
Starting point is 00:27:00 And also, y'all remember what I told y'all yesterday? When Tim Scott was making a point about how Democrats wanted to withhold funds, so therefore he called that defund the police. Why did he say the exact same thing a year ago? Yes, I'll be exposing the lying hypocrisy of South Carolina Senator Tim Scott on Roland Martin Unfiltered and the Black Star Network after this break. I believe that people our age have lost the ability to focus the discipline on the art of organizing. The challenges, there's so many of them and they're complex. And we need to be moving to address them.
Starting point is 00:27:48 But I'm able to say, watch out, Tiffany. I know this road. That is so freaking dope. I am to be smart. Roland Martin's doing this every day. Oh, no punches! Thank you, Roland Martin, for always giving voice to the issues. Look for Roland Martin in the whirlwind, to quote Marcus Garvey again.
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Starting point is 00:29:07 You dig? Hey, I'm Amber Stevens-West. Yo, what up, y'all? This is J. Ellis, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. And the show to me, the one who is black and missing today is a sister from my hometown of Houston, Texas. 37-year-old Ashley Guillory was last seen in Houston on September 4, 2021.
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Starting point is 00:30:27 281-309-9500 Alright folks, let's talk about this story that's out of the state of Tennessee. A state senator there was hit with 20 federal charges regarding the use of funds for
Starting point is 00:30:42 non-profit. 20 charges. Well, the trial is still ongoing, but the judge has already thrown out 15 of the 20 charges against State Senator Katrina Robinson. She's accused of using $600,000 in federal funds granted to her health care school for personal expenses. Robertson's attorneys argue that the prosecutor's financial analysis of her documents was flawed.
Starting point is 00:31:13 She is still on trial, as I say, for the remaining five charges. Van Turner, attorney for the president of the NAACP, joins us from Memphis, and also Judge Carlos Moore, president of the National Bar Association, and Joseph as well. Glad to have you both. I'll start with you, Van. You, of course, again, with the NAACP there, an attorney as well.
Starting point is 00:31:38 And so does it say, does it not bode well for federal authorities when the judge throws out nearly the entire case, 15 of the 20 charges, before it's even done. Yeah, I would agree. And so a large part of, as you stated, the claims have been thrown out. What was, say, a figure of $600,000 that they say was defrauded and unlawfully taken has now dwindled down to, I think, less than about five thousand dollars. And so I was actually in court for a little bit today. But, you know, we still have those five claims to deal with. And I think a lot of those claims deal with reporting and not necessarily fraud.
Starting point is 00:32:25 So these are sort of civil claims and not criminal claims. And so hopefully the jury will kind of sift through all of what's going on. And if there's a civil fine to be paid, let that be paid, but allow Senator Robinson to return back to what she was doing. And that's really putting qualified health care workers into the workforce, which are so sorely needed right now during this COVID-19 pandemic crisis. I'd like to add her using the money for, accusing her of using the money for her wedding, a Jeep for her her daughter, a hand badge and other items? Yeah. So essentially what Senator Robinson had was a teaching center for nurses.
Starting point is 00:33:18 And the students would pay a tuition and that was the bulk of what the institute received and then she received a federal grant which was a stipend or a scholarship that used to defray some of the costs. So essentially the bulk of what she profited from was from the tuition payments paid by the students and not necessarily from the government. And so I think that's been her argument throughout the trial. And essentially, you know, once you make a profit, you can do with that profit what you want to do with it. And so as long as she was not taken away from the students, as long as the students were still being educated and getting what they paid for, there was no issue.
Starting point is 00:34:07 And so if she wanted to, you know, buy nice things or do nice things, as long as she was not defrauding the federal government, as long as she was taking care of her students, there should not have been a problem. Carlos, what do you make of the prosecutors going after this new Tennessee state senator? I believe they were going after her because she's a black woman that's powerful. We have seen this time and time again. When black women, especially black women, get power in this country, they are targeted. And we believe Senator Robinson was targeted, just like some of these prosecutors in St. Louis and other places have been targeted. Marilyn Mosby in Baltimore, they are consistently targeted. And as the president of the National
Starting point is 00:34:48 Bar Association, I am dead set on standing up for these women. So the judge issued the order ruling on Monday. The trial resumed today. How long do you think this is going to go on, and do you think that throwing out 15 of the 20 bodes well for her to be acquitted on the final five charges? Yeah, you know, it's hard to tell. You can't read the minds of a jury. I'm sure Attorney Moore will tell you when you start trying to read the minds of jurors, you always can mess up. However, I think this is a good sign for Senator Robertson. She has a very good legal team that's working with her. And essentially, the state has, the federal government has rested. And so today was the first day that Senator
Starting point is 00:35:41 Robertson took the stand. So the defense is now presenting its case in chief. And so, Roland, what you had was after the state presented their case, it took about a week, the defendants or the representatives of Senator Robinson moved for a directed verdict to say the state has not proven their case, and they moved for acquittal on all 20 counts. Judge Lipman, who is the federal judge here, sided with Senator Robertson and dismissed or acquitted her of the 15 charges out of the 20 charges. So the five charges still remain. And so Senator Robertson again took the stand. Today was the first day of her taking the stand to defend against those five counts. And at the end of the day, the dismissal or the acquittal of those 15 counts reduced that amount
Starting point is 00:36:32 of money in contention from $600,000 down to, you know, close to probably around $5,000 or so. So that was a huge move by the judge, unprecedented actually, and I think that probably ends up voting very well for Senator Robertson in her defense. Carlos, final comment. Yes, I agree that that should vote well for Senator Robertson. As Attorney Turner stated, we can never read the minds of the jurors, but I would take comfort in that 15 of the 20 charges have been dismissed basically basically, by the judge, and that sends a resounding
Starting point is 00:37:08 message to the prosecution, to the government. All right, then. Gentlemen, I certainly appreciate it. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you, Roland. This is one of the things that, and we've talked about this many times before, Mustafa, Teresa, as well as Amisha,
Starting point is 00:37:24 that when you were a black elected official and anything that you're doing with the use of federal funds, I mean, you better make sure every I is dotted, T crossed, because we've seen how they have targeted and gone after and, frankly, convicted African-American elected officials for things along those lines. And so, you know, I would say to any any black politician, hey, always have your stuff, paperwork, everything in order, because we know how this has ended too often for a lot of African-Americans in the past.
Starting point is 00:38:05 You're absolutely right. Look, I'm in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, and the amount of elected officials from local, state, and federal have been accused and convicted. We either have an overzealous prosecutor, or we just have individuals who don't have the right finance compliance manager. And that person will get, you know, especially a to have the right compliance manager, especially if accounting and, I guess, providing some of these documents
Starting point is 00:38:51 to the FPC or to the state compliance is not your specialty. Mustafa. Well, we always know that Black elected officials are always in harm's way, and there is a double standard. So what I share with folks is, one, make sure that you always have a great attorney and have a great accountant. That accountant can help you to make sure there's no commingling of funds or that there are any improprieties that folks will use against you because folks are looking for something. I know at least of a handful of black elected officials that I know personally who have had to utilize a huge amount of money to defend themselves just to be proven innocent. Now, let's also just couch that by pointing out
Starting point is 00:39:37 that there are folks on Capitol Hill right now who actually made huge amounts of money because of their insider trading knowledge, you know, around COVID-19 and their sets of investments that still haven't been brought to justice. But of course, we know when you have a darker hue, if that situation had gone on, it would be a different situation. And we know that many of our brothers and sisters who are in office are in the crosshairs because there are those who don't want them to have the power to be able to do the right thing, so you've got to keep your game tight.
Starting point is 00:40:10 And so we're certainly waiting to see what happens in this case. But again, when you're dealing with these youth attorneys, and someone should be asking questions of this prosecutor, Amisha, you take someone to court, 20 charges, and hell, they throw out 15 of the 20 before the trial is even over? He got what, and I think the party got what they wanted
Starting point is 00:40:33 out of this. It was used to tank the waters, to throw sharks in the water, because at the end of the day, we have an elected official who is doing what the majority of the state of Tennessee is not. We have to remember that Tennessee, with the substitution of Nashville and Memphis, is by and large a very red state. So when you have a representative who is out there doing what she needs to do, trying to get people the health care access that they deserve, trying to ensure that those who need the COVID-19 vaccine
Starting point is 00:41:00 the most, those who look like you, I, and everyone on this panel are going to get that level of access, training and ensuring that funding goes to nurses and this new wave of healthcare officials that represent the communities they serve. That's not necessarily something that the Tennessee General Assembly or the governor of Tennessee actually wants to see happen. So they're doing this to basically throw the sharks in the water, raise a level of ire about this woman to diminish her and the role that she is doing and the good work that she's doing on the ground. They came at her knowing that much of this was much ado about nothing, but it doesn't matter once you've already created this aura about an elected official who just happens to be a Black woman,
Starting point is 00:41:39 a newly elected official, and the fact that they are consistently saying that she is using money illegally to benefit and profit herself. That's what they ran through the tabloids across Tennessee. That's what they ran in the Tennessee Inn, the newspaper of the state of Tennessee, the newspaper out of Nashville. That's what they ran in several publications across the state and on major media across the state as well. This has been in the water for a long time. They got what they wanted out of it. It wasn't necessarily fully about prosecution as much as it was diminishing her and ensuring that it would be a tough road to hoe when it came to her having a name that was clean. All right, then. All right, folks, going to break when we come back.
Starting point is 00:42:20 Senator Tim Scott, yeah, he's been talking to everybody, blasting Democrats, making it sound like that he was, oh, just all on the up and up. And it came to the George Floyd Justice Act. Mm-mm. Mm, he was lying. We discussed it last night. Mm, part two tonight. Next, on Roller Martin Unfiltered.
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Starting point is 00:46:43 they couldn't come to an agreement. Scott spent lots of time on the Sunday shows, Fox News, Face the Nation, blasting Democrats saying it's their fault. They walked away. So here's what he said on Face the Nation, talking to Margaret Brennan. He was talking about who caused the problem.
Starting point is 00:47:06 Who caused the problem? And it was interesting because we played this two-minute clip yesterday. And the reason I thought it was very interesting as he was talking to them because, you know, he was real clear. It was, you know, it was they were sitting here and they were trying to defund the police. And and it was just they were just wrong. And and how dare they. And it was it was their fault. And then it was, you know, Senator Cory Booker. He just, they walked away from the table
Starting point is 00:47:48 twice. I mean, he was saying all of those things. Hmm. Really? Is that what really happened? So, here's what we played yesterday. I want you to watch this, but I want you to listen.
Starting point is 00:48:07 Okay? Listen to this. Cory Booker, who was your partner in this. Yes. I mean, this started under the Trump administration. It continued under the Biden administration. When Republicans in control went nowhere, Democrats in control. It's going nowhere.
Starting point is 00:48:19 But both times, the folks that left the table were the Democrats. Let's just be clear that we have stayed at the table. The Justice Act provided clear direction to improve the quality of the experience for the communities at risk and the law enforcement officers who patrol those areas. So if you're still at the table, was the issue that you just couldn't deliver Republican votes for what Senator Booker proposed to you with what he has described as a compromise. Once again, the fact is that last time around, we gave them 20 amendments to change the bill in any way they wanted to. This time, we said simply this, I am not going to participate in reducing funding for the police after we saw major city after major city to fund the police. Many provisions in this bill that he wanted me to agree to
Starting point is 00:49:07 limited or reduced funding for the police. Specifically what? That's a lose-lose proposition. When you reduce funding for police, you actually lose lives in the communities. Our approach was a win-win approach. We want the best wearing the badge, and we want the vulnerable protected.
Starting point is 00:49:25 So when you tie funding losses in this legislation, you should expect an allergic reaction from me. But they would say, and Senator Booker's team has said publicly in interviews he's done, that there wasn't a net loss of funding. In fact, there was funding being increased in terms of increased mental health funding specifically, that there were specific programs for recruitment and training funding increases, body-worn camera funding increases, data collection. So that's not cutting funding. It might be allocating it in different ways. Actually, here's what we know. We have about a billion dollars in grant money that goes to police. When you start saying in order to receive those dollars, you must do A, B and C.
Starting point is 00:50:09 And if you don't do A, B and C, you literally lose eligibility for the two major pots of money, the burn grants and the cop grants. When you tell local law enforcement agencies that you are ineligible for money, that's defunding the police. There's no way to spin that. You can spin it by saying... But this would codify the Trump executive order. Let me finish. The Trump executive order, I actually agreed to. What I did not agree to was the cuts
Starting point is 00:50:35 that come from noncompliance. Okay. So he said, I did not agree to the cuts of noncompliance. But did he remember what came out of his mouth a year ago when he was talking to Judy Woodruff on PBS? Roll it. Thank you so much for joining us.
Starting point is 00:51:03 I want to ask you first about some of the Democrats' reaction. They are saying, yes, this is a move in the right direction, but the Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said today that it's not, it doesn't rise to the moment. We heard House Speaker Nancy Pelosi say, it's inadequate. Do you think you will be able to get enough Democratic votes to get this to a debate and a vote on the Senate floor? Well, if we do not, then they'll have to explain to the families that I met with yesterday at the White House and the families that I met with yesterday in my office on why we're not willing to take seriously some of the changes that are important to those families who've lost loved ones because of the police interaction. This bill, modeled after much of the House bill, is an important step in the right direction. It also includes the focus of the president and the priorities in the executive order. So we have a chance to do something meaningful for the American people, especially communities of color who
Starting point is 00:52:07 are losing confidence in the institutions of authority in this country. Well, Senator, as you know, Democrats are calling for an outright ban on certain measures like a chokehold or the so-called no-knock warrant. In your proposal, you are saying these things should be tied to federal funding, that if departments go ahead with them, they risk losing funding. And yet you also said today that this is something that should be debated. The chokehold should be debated for the American people to hear. So it sounds like you're open to a complete ban on a chokehold. Is that right? Well, I would say it this way. My legislation gets us to the position where if you
Starting point is 00:52:51 are a law enforcement department that does not already have a ban on chokeholds, you do not have access to the federal funding. The House bill does not have the ability to actually, in my opinion, ban chokeholds. What they do is they defund states' revenue streams from the federal government. It's kind of the same thing, to be honest with you. The fact of the matter is that policing is a local government decision, not a federal decision. So I'd love to see how the Democrats thread that needle from federalism and the local department's ability to make the decisions. We do that through the refusing to give them the grant dollars. The White House and their executive order does the exact same thing through a certification process. So all three levers of government have the same objective.
Starting point is 00:53:45 I think we get there if we keep working together, looking for a solution. So I hear a little bit of... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. He just said... that if y'all don't have it in place, you can't access the federal money. He then said, there's a certification process.
Starting point is 00:54:16 So if y'all don't go through it, y'all don't get the money. Is that not what he criticized a year later on Face the Nation? When he said that, oh, they're trying to defund. I'm sorry, Tim. I just want to be clear. Did I hear you say this? Increases body worn camera funding, increases data collection.
Starting point is 00:54:51 So that's not cutting funding. It's might be allocating it in different ways. Actually, here's what we know. We have about a billion dollars in grant money that goes to police. When you start saying in order to receive those dollars, you must do A, B, and C, and if you don't do A, B, and C, you literally lose eligibility for the two major pots of money, the burn grants and the cop grants. When you tell local law enforcement agencies that you are ineligible for money, that's defunding the police. Hold up. Okay. I need y'all to roll that clip from Judy Woodruff back by 45 seconds.
Starting point is 00:55:29 Roll it back 45 seconds, and then I want y'all to hear what Tim Scott said a year ago to Judy Woodruff. Press play. It was a defund state's revenue streams from the federal government. It's kind of the same thing, to be honest with you. The fact of the matter is that policing is a local government decision, not a federal decision. So request thread that new federal funding enforcement department that does not. The choke call should be debated for the American people to hear. Guys, put it on pause.
Starting point is 00:56:07 Go back 30 to 45 seconds. See, folks, this is what happens when you forget your last lie and then you go on TV with a new lie. He literally said to Judy Woodruff
Starting point is 00:56:23 that if you do not do these things that we stipulate by the federal government, you're not going to have access to the money. He literally said in the Trump executive order, there is a certification process. Y'all, a certification process means if you're not certified, you don't get the money. Press play.
Starting point is 00:56:48 And yet you also said today that this is something that should be debated. The chokehold should be debated for the American people to hear. So it sounds like you're open to a complete ban on a chokehold. Is that right? Well, I would say it this way. My legislation gets us to the position where if you are a law enforcement department that does not already have a ban on chokeholds, you do not have a policy already, banning chokeholds, you can't get the money. That's the same thing he criticized. Press play. He does not have the ability to actually, in my opinion, ban chokeholds.
Starting point is 00:57:39 What they do is they defund states' revenue streams from the federal government. It's kind of the same thing, to be honest with you. The fact of the matter is that policing is a local government decision, not a federal decision. So I'd love to see how the Democrats thread that needle from federalism and the local department's ability to make the decisions. We do that through the refusing to give them the grant dollars. The White House and their executive order does the exact same thing. Stop! Stop! Stop! We do that by refusing to give them the grant dollars.
Starting point is 00:58:20 Is that not defund? He then says the Trump White House does the same thing with the executive order. The executive order he helped write. That he supported. Press play. The vacation process, so all three levers of government have the same objective.
Starting point is 00:58:39 I think we get there if we keep working together, looking for a solution. So I hear a little bit of give in your position, but let me also ask you about this concept, legal concept, qualified immunity. Stop, stop. See, now, see, again, this statement came out. Largest U.S. police group appears to counter back against Scott's argument in a statement Tuesday, though the senator's name was not mentioned.
Starting point is 00:59:36 Quote, despite some media reports, at no point did any legislative draft propose, quote, defunding the police. In fact, the legislation specifically provided additional funding to assist law enforcement agencies in training, agency accreditation, and data collection initiatives. These provisions would have helped strengthen law enforcement, improve community police engagement, quote, without compromising management and officers' rights, authorities, and legal protections. This, y'all, is the statement right here. I'm going to pull it up.
Starting point is 01:00:38 This is the actual statement right here. Right here. So here's Right here. So, here's what happened. Booker, Scott said, well, you need to get the unions on. Booker said, cool.
Starting point is 01:00:56 Booker went to these two unions, got the deal. All of us came back, brought it back to Scott, said, they on. Then all of a sudden, the deal got leaked. Then the other unions start yelling and screaming, scuttle the whole deal. See, Scott's been disingenuous. He's lying. At no point does he say that the unions were on board. So he goes on Face the Nation, he goes on Fox News, blasting Democrats saying, oh, oh, they want to defund the police.
Starting point is 01:01:34 Here you have two police unions, fraternal order police. We ain't no friends with FOP. Admitting that's a lie. So who will you believe? Y'all also notice, Tenor Tim Scott would not say specifically, this is what I need in the bill. You know why?
Starting point is 01:02:07 Because I've talked, we had Congresswoman Karen Bass on the show on Thursday. I've talked with others on Capitol Hill. Scott kept moving the goalposts. Scott wouldn't commit. Well, no, no. I'm gonna need
Starting point is 01:02:24 that. Well, no, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna need that. No, no, no, I'm going to need that. Well, no, no, no, no, no, I'm going to need that. Well, no, no, no, no, I'm going to need that. Scott would not even, if y'all listen to the face of the nation, he would not even commit to what was in the Trump executive order. And y'all, he helped support it. This is why he cannot be trusted on this issue. Senator Tim
Starting point is 01:02:50 Scott is lying. Either the Democrats wanted to defund the police, or the unions are lying. Senator Tim Scott, which one is it? Are you lying
Starting point is 01:03:05 or are the unions lying? I'm reading their statement. He won't answer their statement. Because see, y'all got to understand the moment the lie is told, remember the lie moves around the
Starting point is 01:03:21 world faster than truth. So he goes on the shows on Sunday. News cycle Sunday. News cycle Monday. They dropped their new statement today. Old news now. The lie was effective.
Starting point is 01:03:38 The lie was cemented. He did the interview on Saturday. They released a portion of it on Saturday to gin up attention to watch it on Sunday. That's what he did. So y'all also notice,
Starting point is 01:03:53 Sir and Tim Scott, why don't you sit down with Senator Cory Booker and do a dual interview and let's go over what you supported and what you didn't support. Let's go over what deals were brought back to you and deals that you rejected. See, that's what really happened here. He's not going to come on this show because he's going to have to answer these questions.
Starting point is 01:04:18 He's going to have to answer not to dancing around these little cute little phrases. He's going to have to answer, no, no, no, no, no. What specifically did you ask for that the Democrats said no? There were five major issues in this bill. Three of them, the top three. Chokeholds, no-knock warrants, databases. Senator Scott, didn't you support databases in your bill last year? So no databases this time?
Starting point is 01:04:53 So, Teresa, Abisha, Mustafa, see, this is what happens when you start unpacking stuff, when you start busting folk who lie, when you start saying, but you said this, now you say, there is no, it is a 180-degree difference of what Tim Scott said last year to Judy Woodruff on PBS to what he said to Margaret Brennan on Face the Nation on Sunday. Anyone who can jump in. You're right.
Starting point is 01:05:36 They think that we also have to remember that something else happened between last year and that that Julie Woodruff interview and what happened over this past weekend. What we saw was a great mass of people who were marching, protesting, those on the right as well who wanted to get some level of attention during the election cycle, understanding that voters really cared about police brutality. I would argue that, and we've seen this in the numbers, that that level of people in the streets, but also that level of this being a top-line issue for not just the Black community, but adjacent communities that also saw it as important, has significantly gone down. And what Tim Scott did was take advantage of the increase in gun violence. And he's utilized that to be basically his standard bearer in terms of arguing that we need more
Starting point is 01:06:25 police. The whole defund the police argument we know is a farce. Nobody within the construct of this legislation was trying to defund the police. That is not what that was about. What we also know is that tying specific elements of funding to a specific platform is nothing new, nor is removing said funding if an organization or if a state group or city-based group goes outside of that. We've seen it with community block grants, CDBG grants. We've seen it with grants to healthcare organizations. We've seen it with
Starting point is 01:06:55 grants to education organizations. We've seen it with federal funding to basically anything that goes to the states or the city. So none of this is new. What Tim Scott did was make a disingenuous pact in the beginning because he wanted to have that leveraging point in media, and then came back to the mean because the rest of the Republican Party told him to, and because Tim Scott sees himself as somebody who's going to be running at the top of the ticket in 2024. He does not want to have anything on the mantle that looks like it is progressive. He doesn't want to have anything on the mantle that looks like it is progressive. He doesn't want to have anything on the mantle that would push against what the commentary is running on Fox, on OAN, on a lot of these other conservative networks. He was going to always come back, and he needed the political cover. He needed the cover that came from this push to put more officers on the street,
Starting point is 01:07:41 largely brought on by the rise in gun violence, which arguably, we know how to reduce that as well, and Democrats have plans for that, and Republicans consistently push against them. But this has been a long time coming for Tim Scott. I don't think he was ever genuine about it to begin with. He was just taking advantage of a moment in which this was a platform issue. And the minute that moment started to wane, he decided to push go on something that the Republicans wanted to do all along, pull the rug out from under everyone
Starting point is 01:08:08 when it came to true legitimate police reforms. See, here's the thing here, Mustafa. Tim Scott has never said, this is what I needed in the bill to move forward. If you actually go back and listen to all the interviews he's given, he has never Defensively said this is what I needed. No, it was always an excuse
Starting point is 01:08:32 It was always another excuse and so Democrats were conceding They would go back and it was like one thing after another and was sort of like, okay, what is it? Like dude, what do you want? I am told he was specifically asked, okay, Tim, what is it that you want for us to move forward? And he could not articulate that. He was not actually trying to move forward because he knows. And you know why? I think that he knows he couldn't go get another eight votes.
Starting point is 01:09:10 See, here's what people don't understand. Senator Lindsey Graham met with the George Floyd family on the anniversary of the George Floyd's death when I interviewed the family. I had the only interview with the family on that day when they came and met us down here at Black Lives Matter Plaza. They had a meeting, and Senator Lindsey Graham said in the meeting that I'm going to help Tim move this across
Starting point is 01:09:29 the finish line. We think we can get 20 to 25 votes. Tim Scott, you couldn't even get eight other votes. And so what does he do? Mustafa blames the Democrat because he failed.
Starting point is 01:09:47 He could not convince his own Republicans to support a bill that he was their lead negotiator. I mean, that is exactly right. I mean, you know, he doesn't want to get locked down and have to give specifics because he knows, like you said, the Democrats were willing to do whatever was necessary to get something passed. The country was demanding that something get passed. And, you know, folks pulled his card. And when they pulled his card, he used the shaggy defense. He said, it wasn't me. And, you know, he keeps saying it. You know, I didn't say that. I didn't do that. And then when people run the tape, you know, the truth is revealed. So, you know, we know what we're dealing with here. Amisha laid it out for you. This is about
Starting point is 01:10:36 him preparing himself for the 2024 election. They are going to have either a woman or they are going to have a person of color. And considering when you look at the Republican Party, it gets really thin for the vice presidential slot. So he's not going to step out there. And here's the thing that makes it even worse. If what he shares with us is true about his engagements with law enforcement, he should
Starting point is 01:11:04 want to do everything that he can to protect the lives of those who don't have the privilege that he has. You know, if somebody is going to pull you over and you got those license plates on the back of your car that sort of let people know who you are, we all know what's going on on a daily basis for everybody else. And then when the unions don't even back up your lie, then you know you got yourself a problem. So now he's going to have to figure out how he's going to clean this up.
Starting point is 01:11:32 Because if he doesn't, this will also be a drag on him as he tries to run for future leadership positions, you know, inside of their party. Even though we know that Donald Trump used to be able to say and do anything and continue to reinvent the facts as he moved along. I don't think Tim Scott's going to get that same grace that they gave Donald Trump.
Starting point is 01:11:55 Teresa, I broke it down last night, and as far as I'm concerned, Democrats are being too soft, too weak in going after Senator Tim Scott. If that man's going to sit there and lie, I mean, the police unions, they have completely contradicted Senator Tim Scott. I don't understand why they are not firing back
Starting point is 01:12:23 and checking them left and right by saying, no, you're lying. Absolutely. I think Senator Cory Booker, you know, is our lead spokesperson on this issue as it relates to trying to get this done. And I think he can speak to some of the actions that Senator Tim Scott has delivered, which was absolutely nothing. And it's unfortunate because, again, Senator Scott has delivered, which was absolutely nothing. And it's unfortunate because, again, Senator Scott has been used. Of course, we knew that he wasn't going to have the votes. I think maybe in the early stages, he probably thought, you know, I am the Republican Party's, you know, golden child. I want to say boy, but golden child as it relates to being the only African-American GOP, you know, force when it comes to criminal justice reform and any other things that, you know, may look like a progressive lens.
Starting point is 01:13:15 But unfortunately, it always stops short. I think with Senator Scott, that's what it always looks like. It stops short on getting it done. But, again, it looks like the Republicans have put up at least a fight to do so. And so, again, it's just an unfortunate appeal. Democrats need to do more. Senator Cory Booker and the rest of the Democrats need to call him out. I totally agree that the time is now. We can't wait till later. We can't wait until next year. And we just have to call him out for what it is. You lied. You didn't tell the American people the truth. You had a strategic plan on how you were going to roll out your communications. And you forget that people are pulling clips from a year
Starting point is 01:13:55 ago. You forget that you are pulling clips for six months ago because you're saying contradictory things. And people do trust the unions. People do trust the working class. And so those, you know, working people who are saying, listen, you know what? Change definitely needs to happen. And reform definitely could look a little different. I think we need to listen to them and do something different. And again, folks, what you're dealing with here. And just so y'all know, this is literally the actual statements right here from the International Association of Chiefs of Police and the Fraternal Order of Police where they lay it all out,
Starting point is 01:14:35 and they said point blank. At no point did any legislative draft propose defunding the police. They said there was going to be an increase in funding. Then it says, our organizations remain steadfast in working with all interested parties who are willing
Starting point is 01:14:53 to take a fact-based approach to enact effective and lasting change to avoid a patchwork of state laws that do not provide uniform standards and guidance to the policing profession. The IACP and the FOP
Starting point is 01:15:10 will continue to embrace the challenge and instill strong values to our agencies at all ranks and hold ourselves accountable for our actions in order to build a more cohesive and safer future for our community. See, here's what that line of y'all, and what I want y'all to do is, I want y'all to roll back the Judy Woodruff interview
Starting point is 01:15:26 take it back 60 seconds because that line because see this is why y'all need to understand the breakdown when they say to avoid, first of all fact based approach and then to avoid a patchwork of state
Starting point is 01:15:42 laws that do not provide uniform standards and guidance to the policing profession. This is what they were referencing because this is what Scott said one year ago to Judy Woodruff. Listen. Ban on a chokehold. Is that right? Well, I would say it this way. My legislation gets us to the position where if you are a law enforcement department that does not already have a ban on chokeholds, you do not have access to the federal funding. The House bill does not have the ability to actually, in my opinion, ban chokeholds. What they do is they defund states' revenue streams from the federal government. It's kind of the same thing, to be honest with you. The fact of the matter is that policing is
Starting point is 01:16:31 a local government decision, not a federal decision. So I'd love to see how the Democrats spread that needle from federalism. See, that's the real issue right here. Senator Tim Scott and the Republicans, their fundamental problem is that they are all about states' rights. What those segregationist Democrats were in the 50s and 60s, that's who the Republican Party is today. States' rights, states' rights. You just heard him say, oh, it's really a matter of local and states' rights.
Starting point is 01:17:06 Go back to the police statement. This is what the police statement said. We're willing to take a fact-based approach to enact effective and lasting change to avoid a patchwork of state laws that do not provide uniform standards and guidance to the policing profession. So Senator Tim Scott, Amisha, Mustafa, and Theresa is complaining about saying, oh, Democrats, y'all want federalism, federalism, federalism, y'all want federalism. And here you have the police unions who are saying the problem is when you have different laws in South Carolina compared to Mississippi, compared to North Carolina, compared to Idaho, compared to Wyoming, compared to North Carolina, compared to Idaho, compared to Wyoming, compared to California. We need a quote.
Starting point is 01:17:49 They want a unified standard and guidance to the policing profession. And Scott is saying, Democrats, no! We're not going to do that. It's not even only disparate across states. It's disparate across cities within the same state. So I think that there has to be something done that helps to not only give people faith in the system, but also to legitimize it where you won't have chokeholds happening in
Starting point is 01:18:15 one police precinct or in one city 20 minutes away from one that has already banned them, where you won't have officers that have committed atrocities towards African-Americans, some of them deaf, some of them extreme faces of brutality where they nearly killed somebody, and then they just go one precinct over and get another job. I think that there's something to be said here about the reluctance of and the push that Tim Scott did because this was a general bait-and-switch, and he had it in his mind this was a part of a formula from the beginning. And he wanted to ensure that he ran the clock down. That's what all the stalls were for. That's what all the back and forth was for. He wanted to ensure that this was no longer a top-of-the-line news story as it was in the
Starting point is 01:18:53 summer, the fall, the winter of last year, and the early spring of this year. He wanted to make this a waning political policy issue because he knows that despite the elongated fact-based findings that we have reduced, the things that we talked about on this show, the things that I've heard on other shows as well, at the end of the day, Republicans don't care about facts. They don't give a damn. And having a playback of what someone said last year versus what they said this year, Republicans are very used to this type of rhetoric because they want what they want
Starting point is 01:19:21 and they will take it by any means necessary. Right now, they're running on a defund the police, anti-defund the police mantra. And they've seen gains across the country in doing so. And they think it's going to help them in midterms as well. They're not going to let that go. Again, here's the whole deal, Teresa, from a messaging standpoint of Mustafa. If you're Democrats, you ain't got any room margin for error. You need to be out there messaging point blank saying, yo, we were ready.
Starting point is 01:19:51 He failed. He was the one who couldn't deliver. And frankly, I'm sorry, and I said to Senator Cory Booker, I saw his appearances, they were weakest, they were weak, it was weak sauce. I'm sorry. The man is hitting you with a sledgehammer and you coming back, well, I'm not going to get into name calling. He was my friend. I'm sorry. The man is hitting you with a sledgehammer and you're coming back, well, I'm not going to get into name-calling. He was my friend. I'm going to extend him grace. Damn that!
Starting point is 01:20:13 No grace. No grace. You got to go, you got to get right to it. Final comment, Mustafa and Teresa. Well, you can't give grace because we got people's lives that are in jeopardy by not having, you know, the consistencies that's in place. I mean, the police, you know, these police departments and unions know that they're going to continue to get sued. So, and all the time that I
Starting point is 01:20:37 spent in the federal government, folks wanted consistency. In the states, industries wanted consistency so that they knew what the regulation was. What are the lines that we can operate in? And it helps folks to just be clear. So when you don't do that, Senator Tim Scott continues to drop the ball. I can go through a number of pieces of legislation that he's worked on where he hasn't been successful. And the things that he was able to work with others to get past hasn't helped people. So this is just another example of failed policies and not being able to deliver on the things that you say that you can do.
Starting point is 01:21:17 Well, I just sent him a text message, Teresa, saying no response to what the union said, totally contradicting what you said on Face the Nation. Yeah, he ain't texted me back in four years, so I'm not expecting him to hit me back, but I already know it's still his number, and I'm going to keep sending it to him because somebody needs to be demanding the truth from him.
Starting point is 01:21:40 I agree. I mean, look, if there's a number that we can all text at the same time, please let us know. We'll flood the gates. But I think there is a federal, you know, position that needs to happen. Again, you know, most of these police departments, I think they actually keep it localized. They don't like to change. They're very traditional. And the way they fight crime, the way they prosecute are the ways that they love to be. And, of course, I think some of the unions are very sick and tired of being sued and tired of going to an arbitration.
Starting point is 01:22:14 And I think they are looking for the federal government to step in and do their job. So if there isn't a federal state law or federal law that is changing how police reform happens in the city, cities and states across the country, then we are going to have these continued situations where people are, you know, doing whatever they choose to when they become one in uniform to protect and serve. All right, then folks going to go to a break. We come back. Our Education Matters segment. Don't forget, we also have Crazy as White People segment. And they broke ground today on the Obama Presidential Center.
Starting point is 01:22:52 We'll show you some of that as well. All that coming up next on Roland Martin Unfiltered, streaming live on the Black Star Network. Download the app. All platforms, Apple Phone, Android Phone, Android TV, Apple TV, Roku, Fire TV, Amazon Fire, Xbox, Smart TV, Samsung Smart TV. All those platforms. Download the Black Star Network app. We're trying to get the 20,000 downloads.
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Starting point is 01:25:21 Hey, yo, peace world. What's going on? It's the love king of R&B, Raheem Devon, and you're watching Rolander Martin Unfiltered. We'll be right back. All right, folks. Now let me break it down again. A new study shows that students of color in high-poverty areas had a lower achievement rate during the 2020-2021 school year. COVID. Khan Academy is focused on offering free resources to parents and teachers to keep students on track.
Starting point is 01:26:20 Here joining us now is Sal Khan, founder and CEO Khan Academy out of Silicon Valley, California. All right. Glad to have you here. So COVID obviously screwed everything up. School districts were exposed. They were not ready. You had students who couldn't afford computers, didn't have Wi-Fi, didn't have pads, all this sort of stuff along those lines. And folks were very scared. Students of color falling back, falling behind. That, of course, was in the spring. Then we went to the summer. We still are being impacted this fall, this fall as well. And so we're still dealing with that. And so you're, there are parents out there who are going, look, I'm trying, I'm trying to, I'm trying to, you know, want my child to
Starting point is 01:27:02 compete. But this thing could literally hurt them on the back end when you talk about getting to your senior year, trying to apply for college and scholarships and grants along those lines. Absolutely. We know that even before the pandemic, we had a lot of learning loss going on. People always cite the summer slide, that in summer, not only are kids not learning for three months, but they're forgetting the previous three months. And things like summer, the history shows us was a big source of inequity because middle class, upper middle class families put their kids into enriching academic programs, while families that don't have the resources can't do that. And so you see some divergence.
Starting point is 01:27:43 And that's just over three months. As you just mentioned, this has gone over 18 months. And this is a situation where everything had to be at home. The digital divide just exacerbated things. And we know what the situation was pre-pandemic because of all of this learning loss. 70 percent, 7-0 percent of all kids who go to community college, they don't even place into college algebra. And college algebra is really 10th grade math. They have to essentially get remediation at the 6th or 7th grade level. So even though they're taking 8th grade, 9th grade, 10th grade, 11th grade math, they have to take 6th or 7th grade because they have so many gaps in their knowledge. Even kids who go to four-year institutes out here in California, 65% in the Cal State system. And we know that the numbers are even tougher for kids
Starting point is 01:28:22 from historically under-resourced communities where they didn't have as many resources and all the other supports that oftentimes more affluent families might get. And everything just got worse with the pandemic for every reason you just talked about. Now, what we try to do at Khan Academy is we're trying to give the tools that either a family can leverage on their own or that a teacher could use so that they can reach every student where they are. Even before the pandemic, every teacher knows that there's 30 kids in the room. They're all in different places. But the only thing they know how to do, because it's difficult without any support, is teach to the middle, even though you're leaving behind half the kids and half the kids might not be fully engaged. We want to give away free tools. Everything I talk about, it's not for profit.
Starting point is 01:29:02 There's no catch. It's funded by philanthropy. It's the most studied platform in the world. Hundreds of millions of folks use it. Is to, in a classroom setting, let every kid learn at their own time and pace. Fill in those gaps so they have a strong foundation. Move ahead. Ideally accelerate. Teachers get real data to see where they can intervene.
Starting point is 01:29:28 And whether or not it's happening in the classroom, families on their own can leverage Khan Academy. And not only do we have Khan Academy now, which is all free and not-for-profit, there's another effort called Schoolhouse.World, another not-for-profit funded by philanthropy, completely free, where people can get free tutoring over Zoom. So everyone's talking about tutoring. This is free tutoring, where if your child needs help, fill in those gaps or move ahead, they can get it live. And if they want to do it at their own time and pace, they can do that on Khan Academy. And so, all right. So in terms of, and I'm going to go to my questions from my panel next. So in terms of the parents sitting out there, the parents are like, I don't even know where to start. Yeah, most parents don't.
Starting point is 01:30:03 So first of all, don't feel bad. I think every parent always feels like everyone else has it all figured out. I'll tell you, depending on the age of your student, if you have young kids in the pre-K through roughly first or second grade, we have Khan Academy kids. And I want to stress, this is not an advertisement for some paid product. This is funded by philanthropy. There's 50 efficacy studies. That app, which you can get on Android or on iOS on your Apple device, it covers reading, writing, social, emotional learning, and mathematics. It's highly engaging. Ideally, sit down with your child and work through it with them 20 minutes a day. We have a lot of efficacy studies that it can close the gap in as little as six weeks, and then they can keep going. And then for math, for third grade and over, if you get your kids on Khan Academy for even 30 minutes a day,
Starting point is 01:30:51 we see efficacy study after efficacy study that even 30 minutes a week is growing the kids 30 percent or more. But if they're able to do it on a daily basis and really make a practice out of it, we have no doubt that they're not only going to fill in the gaps that might have been formed during the pandemic, but then they're going to be one of the strongest kids in their classroom. Questions first, Teresa. Yeah, there's something else that you want parents to know that they already don't know. Things, you know, I think it's that not the school system is doing in many cases the best it can, but it has so many things it's stretched thin. And so I think, you know, for parents and I do think the pandemic did make parents,, is that in order for your child not to fall through the cracks, because every school district can't meet the needs of every student personally,
Starting point is 01:31:51 that's where using these types of supports like Khan Academy or Schoolhouse.World, and I'll say it again, because people are skeptical. They think that something that's free, there must be a catch, that someone's going to charge them or something's going to happen to it, or maybe it's not as good as a thing that I see ads for on TV. But the reality is there's more efficacy studies here. It's more robust and it's being used already in school systems around the world. So parents should try it out. And it's very usable for students to engage. If you talk to students who are a little bit older, I'm guessing they're already using it. So this could actually be a point of engagement where the parents can talk to your child about it,
Starting point is 01:32:26 say, hey, why don't you do 20 minutes a day, keep working on it. Also, if parents are really up for it, to start to learn on the platform themselves, it helps you engage with what your students are doing that much better. Thank you. Mustafa. Brother Khan, thank you, first of all. As we get to the end of this decade and you look back what would you like to have seen the khan academy be able to accomplish well our mission statement is free world-class education for anyone anywhere and then i
Starting point is 01:32:56 oftentimes add the parenthetical and we're serious about it and and the way that i imagine doing that is you know there there's kids who hopefully are going to a reasonably well-resourced school with good teachers. We want to raise the ceiling there, allow for the personalization, allow for the fact that even if kids come in with unfinished learning, they can finish that learning. But we also know that there's a lot of kids, if we think globally, who might not have a school at all. But even here in the United States, kids might go to a school. But we know that a majority of minority-majority schools in the United States do not offer some of the courses that we would consider table stakes, courses like Algebra II, courses like Physics, courses like Biology, or even where it is offered. There's often, I would say, a deficit bias, a deficit mentality. There's a lot of research that backs this up, where the system might not think that these kids are as capable. And this is where a tool like Khan Academy can say, no, we're going to give you the same
Starting point is 01:33:54 expectations. It's mastery-based. Take as much time as you need, but eventually master the concepts. So we want to do that. We already have a strong offering in math. We're adding science as we speak. We want to go into the humanities. And we also want to start connecting that with that, with actual opportunity, with actual credit. We're actually talking to Howard University right now about a college algebra course that we can bring into Title I high schools. Because, as we said, 70 percent of all kids, when they get to community college, they don't even place into college algebra, much less getting credit for it. Imagine if all kids could get credit for college algebra before they're even allowed to drop out of high school, and they've actually mastered the material. And if they don't master it at the end of that course, they keep working on it until the point that they master it. It's not a situation where you get a C and you get called a C student the rest of your life. If you're at an 80%,
Starting point is 01:34:42 keep working on it so you can eventually get mastery. And so I'm hoping that is something that it's mainstream in the next five, 10 years. And I think this tutoring program is going to be really interesting because we're already seeing a lot of people benefiting from the tutoring. They're finding that this free tutoring on schoolhouse.world is better than things that they might've even been able to pay for. And the way that we motivate the tutors is we say, and some of these tutors are high school students and college students, is we say, if you can tutor algebra or biology or statistics, we're going to find opportunities for you. We're going to help you get into college. If you're a college admissions officer, wouldn't you want to admit the kid who's a great tutor in algebra or a great tutor in biology? And that should also be a pathway, job opportunity so it's not gated by where you go to college.
Starting point is 01:35:26 Lamisha. Awesome. Thanks for being here. You are speaking my language. As somebody who has worked in education leadership at the K-12 level as well as at the community college level, you're really speaking facts here. When I think about things like the brain drain, which happened long before COVID-19, COVID-19 is getting a lot of credit for things that have been existing in the public school system for a very long time. How do parents and schools work to eradicate what we've already seen in terms of kids who've been basically left behind, many of which grade level's behind, despite the fact that they're still getting passed on? We know this because we know the scores in math. We know the scores in reading and writing. And there was a statistic that came out just last week that in
Starting point is 01:36:08 2024, 2025, we are going to have up to 86 percent of young people who are functionally illiterate. So there's something else going on. We talk about math and science a lot, which obviously STEM matters. But what we don't talk about as often is literacy. And we're walking into a population of young people who, quite frankly, cannot read and write. What types of platforms are you working on to address that as well? What is out here for parents? Absolutely. And, you know, second place to the college math remediation problem is the college writing problem. And that just shows an issue even for the kids who don't go to college.
Starting point is 01:36:43 It shows exactly what you're talking about, how big the deficit is, where kids aren't even being able to do the basic reading and writing at what we would really consider a functional level, which is a middle school level. And what's happening is once those deficits form, unless you do things in what I would call a mastery framework, they're only going to get worse and worse. If I give you a test and you got a 70% on basic exponents, and it just might be, it took you a little longer to get that. You might've had something going on at home that week. The system right now gives you a C minus or a D, and then the whole class will move on to the next concept that's going to build on that deficit. It's going
Starting point is 01:37:20 to build, you're going to go into negative exponents or equations that deal with exponents. Somehow, and you could be a genius, but you're not going to be able to engage with this next thing when you have that deficit, that gap that's sitting there. And so the solution in our minds is instead of just continuing to go through the motions and do this factory model of education that we've had since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, let's use some modern tools, not as a substitute for the system, but as a way to unlock the system, as a way to start reaching every student where they are. So we need to do that in math. To your point, we hope that Khan Academy, if we can get the philanthropic funding, we hope we can start on reading comprehension in the next couple of years.
Starting point is 01:37:59 We are doing it. We are the official practice with the college board around the SAT. And to your point about people in 2024 not being able to read or write, there's even more dystopian statistics. I remember reading a long time ago that, you know, to build prisons takes about a 10, 15-year lead time, and it correlates with fourth-grade test scores. I mean, if there's nothing, you know, that is the most dystopian thing I've ever heard in my entire life. But it tells you how important it is to get young people at a strong foundation, not just so they can engage in math, but so that they actually, their self-esteem doesn't fall apart. I started Khan Academy tutoring family members, and I started
Starting point is 01:38:36 tutoring with my 12-year-old cousin at the time, back in 2004. And she was giving up on herself. And she was, quote, lucky to have me be able to do an intervention with her and deprogram a lot of what she began to think of herself. But a lot of kids don't have that. So we have to think about how are the supports to fill in those gaps, make sure their self-esteem doesn't crumble, make sure that they're able to connect with other people and have a strong foundation. All right, then. Again, Sal, where can people go to get more information about Khan Academy? Great. Just people check out KhanAcademy.org.
Starting point is 01:39:11 I encourage people to check out Schoolhouse.World as well. These are related, not for profits. And once again, some people sometimes think that we're trying to sell something, but this is free, funded by philanthropy, and it's the most recognized and studied platform in the world. So I just want to make sure people know that it exists for their children. All right. I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. All right, folks. Today in Chicago, they broke ground on the Obama Presidential Center slated to open in 2022. Here's some of what took place.
Starting point is 01:39:40 It's been a long time coming. We had originally hoped to hold a bigger festive event, but the pandemic had other plans. So we're keeping this small for now. But to everyone who is watching, including so many who were part of my administration, so many who've worked tirelessly to make this day possible. Please know how incredibly grateful I am and how much I am looking forward to celebrating with all of you in person as soon as we can. For us, the Obama Presidential Center means a lot more than just creating a space to house memories from our eight years in the White House. This investment, this substantial investment in the South Side,
Starting point is 01:40:31 will help make the neighborhood where we call home a destination for the entire world. They will be breaking ground. They're breaking ground today. It will open a year from now. It's not a typical presidential library. It's called a presidential center. Unlike other presidential libraries, papers and things along those lines are going to be digital as opposed to hard copies. And so it all begins there in Chicago. And development goes also surrounding areas as a Tiger Woods designed golf course
Starting point is 01:41:08 that's going to be also built as well. A lot of drama over this presidential center where a lot of community groups have been saying that they have not been good community partners, but those lawsuits are beating back. So there you go. All right, folks. You know what time it is. No charcoal grills are allowed. I'm white. I All right, folks. You know what time it is. No charcoal grills are allowed. I'm white.
Starting point is 01:41:28 I got you, girl. Illegally selling water with our permit. On my property. Whoa! Hey! Give me your ID. You don't live here. I'm uncomfortable.
Starting point is 01:41:42 Well, Vincent Paterno, y'all, worked for FedEx, delivery driver, and he was so arrogant that he posted a video on TikTok saying, if you supported President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala Harris, Black Lives Matter, I ain't delivering your package in Seattle. Watch this. What's up, TikTok? Just wanted to come on here and let all you know, if you don't have a flag in front of your house,
Starting point is 01:42:18 and if you have a Joe Biden, Kamala, fucking cameltoe posted up in Premier House, Black Lives Matter. I will not deliver your shit. I will not deliver your shit. I will bring that back to the station. And I will keep doing that shit. Have a good day. So what happened was, y'all seen this guy named Michael Mack?
Starting point is 01:42:48 He's a white director. He, of course, got a hold of this. He's been very successful at outing a bunch of other people. He dropped this video that caused little Mr. Vincent to lose his job. Hey, did you hear about this new policy where FedEx won't deliver packages to you, packages you've paid for, based on your political beliefs? Don't take my word for it. Here's a FedEx employee. I just wanted to come on here and let all you know, if you don't have a flag in front of your house, and if you have a Joe Biden, Kamala fucking Kamato posted up in front of your house, Black Lives Matter, I will not deliver your shit.
Starting point is 01:43:39 I will not deliver your shit. I will bring that back to the station. And I'll keep doing your shit. I will bring that back to the station. And I'll keep doing that shit. Really? Do you even get a whiff that I support Biden or Black Lives Matter or maybe even a pride flag? You won't deliver my package. This is a FedEx policy. I assume it must be a FedEx policy.
Starting point is 01:43:58 You're in the uniform making these statements. Because if this isn't a policy that FedEx has, this is a really odd way to quit your job. Vincent, Mr. Worldwide Paterno of Oak Harbor, Washington. But maybe the goal of this is to quit your job. I don't know that you're necessarily that happy working at FedEx. I mean, after all, your Facebook tells everyone you've been self-employed since 2016. I'm pretty sure you don't own FedEx. So we can go ahead and let FedEx know how you feel. Maybe also the people in your neighborhood or in your life that know you can also know, in case they didn't already, I'm going to help you get your message out there, Vincent. I really like this guy, Michael Mack.
Starting point is 01:44:50 We've got to get him on the show, y'all, because he's done this a number of times, Amisha, where he's done these videos outing white supremacists and others. And then a huge following of his on TikTok and social media as well. And he actually engaged in a back and forth with this guy. And he's like, he said, yeah, you got a few followers, but I've got more. Vincent no longer has a job. As he shouldn't.
Starting point is 01:45:24 Roland, watching that, this is not only a very bold and ignorant man, but he was bold enough to record this, put it on one of the largest platforms he possibly could, go against everything that he basically signed up to do as a FedEx employee. You can't decide who you're going to drop off packages to and who you're not based on political affiliation, religious affiliation, race, or anything else. You are paid to do a service, so you do say service. But he did it. His name was revealed. His face was out there. There was a time when people were ignorant behind avatars and all types of other things, used false names. This guy clearly didn't care. Graduated high school in 1999, according to that Facebook profile. The self-employed
Starting point is 01:46:06 probably means was unemployed up until he had that FedEx position. He did all of this and is now going to possibly be collecting a check from the government and waiting for his next situation to roll through. Okay, okay. I'm going to show you how even more stupid he is. So Michael
Starting point is 01:46:21 Mack did a second video. Okay. You thought that was crazy. Watch this one. Usually when someone receives the rap on the knuckles, that is one of my videos. The response is to change their tune pretty quickly, or at the very least shut the fuck up. And then there's Vincent. Like I said, I'm not going to deliver any fucking Biden supporters, nor Black Lives Matter shit. And all these people right here, look at all this. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Y'all didn't get your shit today.
Starting point is 01:46:58 On top of that, my boss hit me up today and said, hey, come eat and deliver 40 stocks. And I said, because they're fucking Biden supporters. And he said, hey, you know, that's going to cost you your monthly bonus. 600 bucks. I lose a bonus. Who cares? Standing up for what's right. But if y'all want to show some love, my link is in the bio.
Starting point is 01:47:28 We're such a piece of shit. You know your wife messaged me to tell me how she and your children do not agree with you, how she begged you not to post this. Now you've posted a second time, and she's getting threats, which, by the way, if you've contacted his family and threatened them, you're no better than he is. 40 stops. 40 customers who did not receive the service that they paid for. You got that video prepared for when you lose your job?
Starting point is 01:47:50 Because you are. I've already had some pretty high people in FedEx reach out to me. It's coming. And then you'll be there. What happened, guys? Lost my job. We're doing the right thing. Can you help me?
Starting point is 01:48:01 No, that's not going to happen. See, the first step was your job because you're abusing your position and harming customers. Next, when you ask for that money, I take all that too. PayPal, Venmo, Cash App, GoFundMe. Whatever route you try, I'm going to take it. And I know you probably think you're safe because you blocked me on TikTok and on Instagram after you left this comment and tried to paint this picture like, oh, medical supplies. Yeah, no, I see all of this.
Starting point is 01:48:27 There is nothing you will do I won't hear about. So if your objective was to have like 30 seconds of fame for being really shitty on the internet, you can have that. Anything else? No. You done messed up, A.A. Ron. Ha ha!
Starting point is 01:48:44 I love it! He's like, you want this smoke? I gotcha. I'm confused, Roland, though. Why was the bonus the only issue that his supervisor had with it? Okay, well, we'll take your bonus away. This was a right!
Starting point is 01:48:59 Okay, they should have fired him and the manager. Mustafa? I mean, stupid is as stupid does. You know, it's really, this is going to follow him forever. These folks don't get it. Not only are you going to lose your job, but you ain't going to be able to have a reference. People are going to be looking at you and watching you and following you.
Starting point is 01:49:19 And come on, man, if you don't care about yourself, care about your family. It's just, but you know what? I also say that I appreciate people saying and showing who they truly are. So, you know how you got to deal with them. So as I often say, hit them in the pockets. The reason I really appreciate what Michael Mack does, Teresa, I don't know if y'all remember, but there was a woman in New York, I think it was in New York, who was arrested,
Starting point is 01:49:47 who was peddling, who had, who was peddling fake vaccination cards, and she had an in. She was paying somebody who was with the New York system, and they were putting the information in the database. Well, he actually hit the woman on Instagram. She responded. He was the one who turned her into
Starting point is 01:50:07 federal authorities, and it was like two weeks later when they announced this big-time arrest, and that was her. So, this guy's a director. Again, I would love to have him on the show, but you want to talk about white allies? This is a guy who uses this platform to go after white supremacists,
Starting point is 01:50:23 to go after racists. He exposes them, and he's killing it. I started following him on Twitter. He's absolutely hilarious. I love that whole Orson Welles look and style. But, yeah, my man said, I don't care. I'm going to lose my job. He's like, okay, we're going to make it happen.
Starting point is 01:50:50 And I love when he said, and if you try to get money with a GoFundMe, we're going to go after every pay service to block you there, too. I think there's a bigger problem that I saw, and it had to do with the management of FedEx just saying you're losing your bonus. It's almost like he justified what he was doing. And for me, that's actually a really big problem, because FedEx, you know, I get it. It's hard to find workers during these times. Everybody's getting unemployment. And you got to pretty much pay people in order to work for a company these days. But I think the bigger issue is the amount of attention that this person is getting, and the amount of privilege, and the amount of power he assumes that he has by doing certain things. And I mean, if the flags offend him, what else offends him? Is black people offending him? Is black dogs offending him?
Starting point is 01:51:36 And what next will he do while in this position and feeling like anything that he does, he can get away with? So I have a bigger problem with corporate and I think they need to address it. Yeah, and in fact, we should have had to wait for corporate. The manager should have said, you're gone. You're gone. You're done. It's toast. But you don't necessarily have folks who have that sort of courage,
Starting point is 01:51:59 and so that's exactly what you saw take place there. All right, folks, real quick here. National Inventors Hall of Fame inducts two black women for the first time in history. The late ophthalmologist Patricia Bath and engineer Marion Croak will be part of the 2022 class. Bath's invention, Laser Faco, led her to an easier, faster removal of cataracts. I actually met her at a conference, helping millions of suffering patients and ophthalmologists worldwide. She's also the first black female doctor to receive a medical patent and the first black woman to lead several residency programs.
Starting point is 01:52:39 She passed away in 2019. Croak is responsible for more than 200 patents and leads Google's Research Center for Responsible AI and Human-Centered Technology. Her voiceover internet protocol is the key to today's audio and video conferencing. Croak and her team created a text-to-donate system that aided victims of Hurricane Katrina
Starting point is 01:53:04 and the 2010 earthquake in Haiti. So certainly congratulations to those two sisters. Like I said, I was at a conference. It was in New York. It was the culture. Oh, my God. What was it? It was in New York.
Starting point is 01:53:20 We were at SAP. And it was great. And they told me about her. And so just an amazing sister there. And so we certainly say congratulations to both of them as well. All right, folks, that's it. Mustafa, Amisha, as well as Teresa, thanks a lot. Amisha, I saw your tweet. Apparently, what, you're becoming a contributor at Black News Channel?
Starting point is 01:53:42 Yes, sir. All right. Well, hopefully you made sure to put in there that there's a carve-out and you can still do our show. Absolutely. I made them aware of that before anything was sealed. It was like I have to be able to do Roland Martin. There you go.
Starting point is 01:53:56 That's what I'm talking about. Amisha, I appreciate it. Congratulations. Thank you so very much, folks. Tomorrow I am going to be broadcasting from University of Texas at Arlington. So I'm going to be speaking. I think this is I'm trying to think. Is this my
Starting point is 01:54:11 first? Well, no. I was at Fisk University of course for the fellowship. But I have not spoken in a speech on one of the college campuses in a very long time. We're going to be at UTA tomorrow. And so looking forward to that.
Starting point is 01:54:28 Let me pull up the graphic to show you. It is their 10th annual opening lecture of the Center for African American Studies, the School of Social Work and Multicultural Affairs. I'll be speaking on conditions facing African Americans in the contemporary United States. You have to register for the event in person. And so I'm gonna put it on my social media accounts. You can pull the link up. You can also attend the event virtually.
Starting point is 01:54:48 And we're going to grab that video as well and stream that on our platforms as well. So, I'm looking forward to it. So, if you're in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, come on out. We'd love to see you. Looking forward to that. So, I'm going to be on the road the next ten days.
Starting point is 01:55:01 Sunday, I head to Los Angeles. I'm going to the George Lopez Golf Tournament. Playing there on Monday. We'll be broadcasting the show live. ten days. Sunday I'll head to Los Angeles. I'm going to the George Lopez Golf Tournament. I plan there on Monday. We'll be broadcasting the show live from Lakeside Golf Club on Monday. Then of course we're going to be in L.A. next week shooting more one-on-one interviews for my new interview
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