#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Trump pleads NOT GUILTY; Ex-Miss. officers plead guilty to racist attack; Fla. PragerU standards

Episode Date: August 4, 2023

8.3.2023 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Trump pleads NOT GUILTY; Ex-Miss. officers plead guilty to racist attack; Florida approves use of conservative content from 'PragerU' in schools Former President Dona...ld Trump pleads not guilty to conspiring to overturn the 2020 presidential election. We'll bring you details from inside the D.C. courtroom and explore the potential implications of this landmark case. In another bombshell arrangement, Six former Mississippi law enforcement officers have pleaded guilty to federal civil rights offenses related to the abuse of two Black men. We will explain what this means for police accountability and transparency in Mississippi. A Woodbridge Democrat files a lawsuit against party leaders and state election officials, alleging irregularities in the 19th District House of Delegates Democratic primary. Virginia House Delegate Candidate Makya Little will join us to explain. In a controversial move, Florida has approved teaching lessons from a conservative educational program in public school classrooms. We'll speak with the Senior Writer with Rapid Response to explain the change in Florida's education system. I sat down with Alvin D. Hall, author of 'Driving the Green Book: A Road Trip Through the Living History of Black Resistance. Prepare for a vivid journey through time as Hall takes us back to the Jim Crow era and reveals the untold stories of millions of Black Americans. Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. "See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:44 site of the National Association of Black Journalists National Convention. Donald Trump arraigned. The black judge tells him he commits any crimes, she will throw him in prison, and he cannot talk to any witnesses outside of the presence of his attorneys. Also on today's show, Kathleen McElroy, the black professor who Texas A&M screwed over when it came to hiring her to run the Department of Journalism, settles for $1 million with the university.
Starting point is 00:02:14 In addition, the university also lays out the timeline and it proved the president, Kathleen Banks, who resigned was lying the entire time and that members on the Board of Regents interfered in metal in this process of hiring her. Also, six cops who were involved in the brutal beating of two black men in Mississippi all have pled guilty. We've been covering that story a number of times right here on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Folks, it's a lot. We're going to break it down on today's show. It is time to bring the funk on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Blackstar Network.
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Starting point is 00:03:40 Martel. Folks, Donald Trump was in a Washington, D.C. courtroom today, arraigned after being indicted by special counsel Jack Smith on four felony counts. The thing today, the judge in this case made clear to him that if he has any conversations with witnesses outside of the presence of his lawyers or if he commits any crimes while he is out, she is going to put him in jail. Of course, the grandstanding thug in chief had a lot to say. Here's him speaking today. Well, thank you very much.
Starting point is 00:04:33 This is a very sad day for America. And it was also very sad driving through Washington, D.C., and seeing the filth and the decay and all of the broken buildings and walls and the graffiti. This is not the place that I left. It's a very sad thing to see it. When you look at what's happening, this is a persecution of a political opponent. This was never supposed to happen in America. This is the persecution of the person that's leading by very, very substantial numbers in the Republican primary and leading by very, very substantial numbers in the Republican
Starting point is 00:05:05 primary and leading Biden by a lot. So if you can't beat him, you persecute him or you prosecute him. We can't let this happen in America. Thank you very much. Do you want these trials to happen before the 24th election? Well, folks, the liar continued to lie. You saw him taking shots at Washington, D.C., complaining about graffiti. That was all B.S. We know doggone well that is sheer stupidity coming from Donald Trump. But he is who he is. He talks about how he's leading by Biden a lot in the polls. That's also a lie. But let me also remind people, Washington, D.C., as a city, was on lockdown on January 6th
Starting point is 00:05:59 because of the actions of Donald Trump and the domestic terrorists that assembled outside of the Capitol on that particular day. And so you see how Republicans are trying to play this, this whole deal of persecution, persecution. Oh, this is not what it was intended. Well, also, guess what? They also didn't expect the person who occupied the Oval Office to literally try to overthrow the government in order to remain in power, even though he lost the election. I want to bring in our panel right now. They join us to talk about this critically important issues of the day.
Starting point is 00:06:36 And again, you know, I'm just sort of just laughing at this whole thing with Donald Trump, because, again, he wants us, he's just still gaslighting us and wants us to believe that he is just innocent. Well, you know, yeah, innocent until proven guilty. But we also know what's going on. Recy Colbert, host of the Recy Colbert Show, Sirius XM Radio, joins us right now. Glad to have you, Recy. Candace Kelly, legal analyst, South Orange, New Jersey. And we'll have Dr. Greg Carr, Department of Afro-American Studies at Howard University, Washington, D.C. Glad to have all three of you here.
Starting point is 00:07:08 Candace, I want to start with you. I mean, look, these are some serious charges. Anybody who reads the document really understands how major they are. And Republicans keep trying to say free speech, free speech. Again, Smith puts in the 45 pages that you can actually say that you won the election, but it's the difference between you saying it and you acting upon it. That's right. It's the difference between you saying it because you, as you said, you can believe what you want to believe. You can actually believe a lie. You can create lies. But what happened here was that Donald Trump actually used lies in order to try to carry out Part B of his plan, and that is to try to make other people think that they were, that they had the power in order to overturn
Starting point is 00:07:57 the election, which they didn't. So there's one thing to have your own truth, but it's another thing to have somebody bring you in. And that's what this case is all about. It is about a conspiracy, albeit he's the only one that was mentioned. And I think that that was a great strategy by the government to do that. But this is something that goes much further and much deeper than just boxes inside a bathroom or on a stage in your club in Bedminster. There were bodies on the ground. And so this is why, even though this is his third indictment, fourth indictment is probably coming at least by August 15th from Georgia. What we have is something that is major, something that is serious. People have died and he was in the middle of this. So that's what makes this distinctly
Starting point is 00:08:44 different and not just something that's going to be talked about in the middle of this. So that's what makes this distinctly different. And not just something that's going to be talked about in passing, but this is going to go down in history. The January 6th insurrection was something that people would have never, ever believed. He was found in this document, according to Jack Smith, to have tried to defraud the United States of America, to take away the basic right to vote. The right to vote is something that has been on the chopping block for years and will be for years to come. And this is someone who, according to his own words and by other people's words, mind you, nobody else was mentioned, but we have the titles of people and we know who they probably are.
Starting point is 00:09:26 They are corroborating. It will be interesting to see, Roland, who their star witnesses will be, because in the indictment, we see that there are quotes, quotes between Mike Pence and Trump. Who could have given those quotes? It wasn't Trump. Could it have been Pence? Was it a recording? These star witnesses are going to be very important. It is more than probably the six people that we've alluded to in the document that are now turning on Donald Trump. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up.
Starting point is 00:10:11 So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams,
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Starting point is 00:11:11 Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated.
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Starting point is 00:12:06 I'm Greg Glott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people,
Starting point is 00:12:13 real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players
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Starting point is 00:12:57 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Greg, it is only apropos that he was charged using the Klan Act. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, that first charge conspiracy to Klan Act. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, that first charge, conspiracy to violate civil rights, is pursuant to Section
Starting point is 00:13:31 241 of the United States Code. And as you said, Roland, this was a law that was enacted by Congress to go after the Klan. It was expanded in the mid-20th century to start going after those who attempted to suppress voter rights. And that's important.
Starting point is 00:13:49 I mean, it is ironic, isn't it? And, yeah, I mean, I echo everything that Candace just said. You know, this is the indictment we were waiting for. As Sheriff Finney-Willis, we're still waiting on Brother Bragg out of New York. But this federal indictment in the District of Columbia—so this isn't going to be a Florida jury. This is a jury of the citizens of the District of Columbia. If you're in the District of Columbia, make sure you're interested to vote.
Starting point is 00:14:16 You might get pulled into this jury pool. Wouldn't that be interesting? I'm sure that Donald Trump is losing his mind right now at the prospect of 12 jurors from the District of Columbia sitting in judgment over him. And yeah, as Magistrate Judge Yupit Hayaya said today when she said, you know, let's get this hearing before Judge Chetkin as soon as possible, the Trump's attorneys pushed back and said, hey, you know, the government has had years. And he says, OK, I'll give you a little bit more time.
Starting point is 00:14:47 How's August 28? There's a lot of convergences going on. And, of course, we know that Judge Chuckin has been the hardest judge on the January 6th white rioters so far. It'll be interesting. It'll be very interesting to see this. He's going to try to push it past the elections, of course. And he already succeeded in pushing it past the first debate.
Starting point is 00:15:10 I think that's the 23rd. Correct me if I'm wrong, Roland. He hasn't said whether he's going to participate in that, but it'll be interesting to see. I mean, this circus is in full swing. You know, the thing here, Recy, again, as we watch Republicans just lose it over this, I mean, they are hellbent on literally protecting this thug in chief. And, you know, they want to sit here and they want us. Oh, this is, again, free speech and he's being persecuted. You've got clueless Senator Tim Scott with a tweet talking about, oh, I'm just so concerned about, you know, the two forms of justice. I mean, how embarrassing is he as a black man
Starting point is 00:15:59 to talk about there are two justice systems involving this rich, egotistical, narcissistic white man. And we know the reality of a dual justice system and how it impacts black people. Yeah, I mean, it's a complete joke. It's ridiculous. And they're trying to try to draw some false equivalence with Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden might have smoked a little bit of crack. He might have got a couple of prostitutes, allegedly, reportedly, whatever the situation may be. But he didn't try to take over the whole damn country. He has never ran for office, and he's not trying to. And so the fact of the matter is that we saw with our own two eyes Donald Trump and his MAGA nuts try to overthrow the United States government,
Starting point is 00:16:41 because when you do not want to let the results of an election where hundreds of millions of people voted actually be certified and have the true winner declared by Congress, then you're trying to overthrow the country. And so all the gaslighting that they're doing is absolutely doing nothing to move their party forward. But I think that the long game here for Republicans is not actually to try to have this fake idea of believing in democracy. We know that they've been full of crap for so long. The Supreme Court has gutted the Voting Rights Act. The Republican Party's whole strategy of winning is suppressing the vote as much as possible, gerrymandering the vote. The reality is the long term, as Dr. Carr likes to point out, is that this country's back is going to be broken. Our political system is not going to withstand
Starting point is 00:17:30 in the same way that we know it now. And that's largely because Republicans know they can't win on the vote. And so Donald Trump and what he's trying to do in terms of staging a coup on this country is where Republicans ultimately feel like they're going to have to go. I don't know when and I don't know how long it's going to be, but that's where they know they're heading. And that's why they're not so quick to try to downplay Trump or try to divorce themselves from Trump, because he still has the base and they still need the base to get reelected. You know, Candace, again, when we talk about legally what is happening here, when this just makes clear, you cannot be sitting here doing anything with witnesses. We know for a fact he has been flouting the law in doing that. And I think
Starting point is 00:18:22 it is important for the judge to say that. I appreciate the Fulton County Sheriff coming out the other day and saying he is not going to be treated separately than anybody else. If he is indicted, he is going to be arrested. He is going to be booked and there's going to be a mugshot. And to me, that's what is laughable when Tim Scott talks. The reality is Donald Trump has been treated in a special way by not fingerprinting him, no mugshot or whatever. No, damn that. The law is the law. If it happens with Pookie and if it happens to Jamal and it happens to Lakeisha, if it happens to anybody else, he should have to go through the same damn legal system. He should have to go through the same legal system. And I think it was interesting today
Starting point is 00:19:09 that when he was in court, they called him Mr. Trump. And I thought that that was a little bit of a coup because people refer to him as the president or, you know, this is something that he's not used to. And while he has not gone through the same thing that, you know, a Jamal would go through, he certainly is getting the treatment by the feds the way that he should in terms of the fact that let's start by the indictment itself. I mentioned earlier that he is the only person mentioned, and that is strategy. That is good strategy. What they are doing is they are thinking far beyond today's date. He is not trying to have anything happen before the election. What Jack Smith has said is that, you know what, let's keep this narrowly tailored to focus on Trump. We can mention some titles of other people, but we don't want to mention other people involved in this conspiracy,
Starting point is 00:20:01 because that means that down the line, three to four lawyers for each person will be involved. And that prolongs this whole process when you're asking for evidence, asking for documents. So on the one level, he is getting special treatment. But on the other level, he's also getting another type of special treatment. And that is the government, that's the Department of Justice honing on him and coming in, strategically speaking, to make sure that they the Department of Justice, honing on him and coming in, strategically speaking, to make sure that they are kind of ahead of the game when we look at the calendar. Listen, Alvin Bragg, he has even said, you can actually take the time that I have allotted for
Starting point is 00:20:36 Donald Trump and his particular court case. If you need that time in order to move it up, I will wait. I will wait. So I think he's getting special treatment, Roland, in two different ways, one that he likes and one that he certainly does not like. Folks, hold tight one second. I gotta go to a break. We come back. We'll talk with a Black woman
Starting point is 00:20:55 who ran for the Virginia legislature. She lost by 49 votes. She's now suing Democrats in the state, alleging irregularities. We'll talk with her also. Six cops in Mississippi brutally beat two black men. They pled guilty today in court. We'll tell you the details of that as well. Lots to break down, including the black professor who was screwed over by Texas A&M University, where they pulled an offer because they got criticism from
Starting point is 00:21:23 white conservatives. Guess what? Texas A&M is about to pay her a million dollars, and the university admits the wrongdoing that took place in the hiring process, including significant meddling by members of the Board of Regents. We'll have all of that for you, folks. It's time to – we'll be right back on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Download the Black Star Network app, Apple Phone, Android Phone, Apple TV, Android TV, Roku, Amazon Fire TV, Xbox One, Samsung Smart
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Starting point is 00:22:28 Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action, and that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams,
Starting point is 00:22:55 and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution.
Starting point is 00:23:35 But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated.
Starting point is 00:23:57 I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, It's really, really, really bad. Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Glott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way.
Starting point is 00:24:31 In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding
Starting point is 00:24:51 of what this quote-unquote drug thing is. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. I'm Tyler. Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good
Starting point is 00:25:28 Plus on Apple Podcasts. White people are losing their damn lives. There's an angry pro-Trump mob storm to the U.S. Capitol. We're about to see the rise of what I call white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial. This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress, whether real or symbolic, there
Starting point is 00:26:14 has been what Carol Anderson at Emory University calls white rage as a backlash. This is the wrath of the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys. America, there's going to be more of this. Here's all the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys. America, there's going to be more of this. Here's all the Proud Boys, guys. This country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and its attitudes because of the fear of white people. The fear that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're taking our women. This is white fear. field. This week on the Black Table with me, Greg Carr. Reparations. Is it finally time? Two of the country's foremost authorities on the subject will join me
Starting point is 00:27:07 to try to answer that very question a powerful installment of the black table with me greg carr right here only on the black star network bruce smith creator and executive producer of the proud family louder and prouder you're watching Roland Martin. I'm Phil. Folks, the Virginia legislature all seats are up in November. They recently had the primaries. And one woman, an African-American woman, she ran against in the Democratic primary. She lost by 49 votes to an African-American brother. She now is claiming irregularities and is suing the state Democratic Party. Makia Little joins us right now. Glad to have you here on the show. So, Makia, real simple, what is the basis of your lawsuit?
Starting point is 00:28:03 Thank you for having me on your show, Roland. The basis of my lawsuit is basically not only did the Democratic Party of Virginia break their own policies, but also that the Board of Elections allowed what is considered an impure election. And not only has this been done in my race, by the way, I'm still running. Not only has this been done in my race, by the way, I'm still running. Not only has this been done in my primary, it's become a pattern in practice in Virginia politics, where if the Democrats, the Democratic Party perceives any non incumbent as a threat, your paperwork suddenly disappears and you somehow disappear from the ballot. And based on the research that I've done, it has become what you identify as white minority resistance because I believe the same way that white Americans who are drunken by power recognize that the browning of America
Starting point is 00:29:09 is inevitable. What they've done is essentially position themselves to maintain power and control by, I'll call it sponsoring, sponsoring people of color to to run for certain positions. And as long as those individuals are willing to fall in line, that's who essentially gets the party nod. And so those who are genuinely. So one second, one second, one second, one second. You called it an impure election. What does that mean? OK, so for my particular race, one of the things that they did was use manipulative sample ballots. So when most Democrats go to the polls in the fall, which is when most of us vote, a lot of us don't vote during primaries, we are used to receiving some sort of sample ballot, like a blue piece of paper with names checked as far as who has received the party nomination. They use that in a primary while wearing official committee gear.
Starting point is 00:30:12 Another thing that they did was allow my opponent to maintain his- I got to go because you said again, you said the Board of Elections allowed an impure election. Yes. So are you alleging that the board of are you alleging that the Board of Elections was engaging irregularities? Or are you alleging that the Democratic Party was one in the county? Because because the county because the county board, the county board of elections oversees the election, not the party, even though the primaries are Republican Democratic primaries. Right. But the Virginia Board of Elections certifies the election. I went in person, read my complaint that I had sent in advance. So that at least should spark an investigation or for the Democratic Party to be able to say we've investigated this and we verify that this was done based on our policies. My complaint was completely ignored. But you mentioned the ballots.
Starting point is 00:31:18 I think I'll go back. You mentioned the ballots. You said that you're what? OK. Are you saying your name wasn't on a sample ballot, which is not the actual ballot? Or are you saying that your name did not appear on actual ballots that voters voted with? Which one? So my name, my opponent's name was the only name checked on the sample ballots that were being passed out by official committee members of the Democratic Party. OK, but but a sample ballot is not an actual ballot. So that is correct. OK, so so are you so you're saying that they broke their own rules by passing out sample ballots?
Starting point is 00:32:05 Haven't they used sample ballots in previous elections? The rule is, is that the committee cannot officially endorse a candidate before that candidate is nominated. committee members handing out sample ballots with only one candidate's name checked in a three-way primary, that is an endorsement. Actually, that's not an endorsement. An actual endorsement is if an actual endorsement is if a body takes an actual vote and as a body they endorse. But do the rules state that an individual, an individual operating as an individual cannot pass out sample ballots? So what are the rules say? So did the Democratic Party take an actual vote endorsing your opponent? No, but they took a position. And 10.11 reads party endorsements, the Democratic Party of Virginia and any of its components, including
Starting point is 00:33:16 county and city democratic committees, congressional district committees, the state central committee, the state steering committee, and state party caucuses may not formally endorse contested candidates for office prior to their nomination. The aforementioned groups also may not endorse during the reorganization process or officers elections at any level of the Democratic Party. And the individuals that are listed as being representatives are identified as the chairs, the vice chairs, like anybody, any individual who is a representative of the party cannot endorse. And so if you're wearing official committee gear. You mentioned earlier about, right, right, right. And you are passing out. And I actually approached one of the Woodbridge
Starting point is 00:34:12 district chairperson who was wearing a Pratt and County Democratic t-shirt passing out my opponent's ballots. And I said, you know, I have no problem with you supporting whomever you want to support. However, I do take issue with you doing so wearing official committee gear, because what you are communicating to voters is that this person has already received the support of the committee visually. So you you mentioned earlier about, first of all, your opponent who won is African-American male, correct? He is. There were all three of us were African-American. But you assert, but okay, all three African-American, but you asserted that it was a form of white, essentially white supremacy that they were handpicking somebody. So are you upset that white members were supporting a black candidate? So what's I mean, because it's not like it's not like they were supporting a white candidate over you.
Starting point is 00:35:12 You're upset that a black candidate won. It's not that I'm upset a black candidate won. You just mentioned Tim Scott. Can we not agree that all skinfolk can't vote? Well, Tim Scott is a Republican in South Carolina. You run against two other Democrats, correct? I am. I am. OK, so what so what I'm saying is so again, so is it that because, again, you made the comment about, you know, basically picking somebody black to do what they want. So, yeah, are you saying that the person who want you you saying that the person who won would not represent black interest? Absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:35:51 What are you actually saying? Okay. All right. So you filed your complaint, and the board still wouldn't certify the election. You said, I'm still a candidate. How? If they certify the election and he won, how are you still a candidate? He won the party nomination.
Starting point is 00:36:15 Okay. So are you running in November as an independent? Well, the lawsuit that I filed is requesting that as a remedy for them running an impure election, breaking their own rules, which there is no remedy for in the law. So the law assumes that everything is done on the up and up and it was not. And we have 265 pages of exhibits demonstrating that. And so my whole point is you, you actually, but you called yourself still a candidate, but you're actually not.
Starting point is 00:36:47 You filed a lawsuit, but it's not like there's some sort of injunction. It's not it's not like the race hasn't been certified. So the Board of Elections has already certified the race, correct? Correct. There are options. So your opponent is actually the nominee. So you're so you're hoping that you're able to you're able to stop him from being the nominee come the fall. Correct. He can be the Democratic nominee. My thing is, is there should be remedies for the board of elections and the Democratic Party going against their own policies and plans and legal responsibilities of ensuring a pure election by either extending the deadline
Starting point is 00:37:27 for me to run as an independent and worst case scenario, running as a write-in candidate. But at this point, there are- Wait a minute. So why? So first of all, hold on, when you say extend the deadline, so has the deadline passed for you to run as an independent in November? June 20th is the deadline for candidates to file as an independent. Yes. Okay. So what prohibits you from running as a write-in candidate?
Starting point is 00:37:57 Nothing. Okay. Okay. So do you plan on running as a write in candidate in November? The preference is obviously to be printed on the ballot. And that's what we're requesting in the lawsuit, because right now the members of my district have no choice. They have no option. OK. Okay. And last question for you. Have you received a response from the county or the state Democratic Party? They've complained about me on Facebook and had my social media pages attempted to have them disabled. And that is where the losing it comes in. Because, well, again, well, first of all, when you say they took down your fundraising page.
Starting point is 00:38:56 But don't they do that after a primary is over? No, you can you can fundraise up. You can fundraise as long as You continue to file your quarterly reports Nothing prohibits Anyone from fundraising I could essentially launch a campaign For two years from now and continue
Starting point is 00:39:17 Fundraising, which is what Donald Trump, as you say, has done You know, with the legal fund and all the things Anyone can continue fundraising. And so what it is, is that they recognize that fundraising is definitely a strong suit. And so is social media as a graphic designer. And so it's basically their way of retaliating for not falling in line. Gotcha. OK. All right. Well, we'll certainly see what happens in this
Starting point is 00:39:47 case. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Appreciate your time. All right, folks, I got to go to a break. We come back. We're going to talk about the case of Mississippi. Six cops all plead guilty. Brutal beating of two black men. We'll tell you about that. We'll also talk about Texas A&M University coming clean. Well, not necessarily. With how Kathleen McElroy, a black professor, was being treated, they now got to pay her a million dollars for treating her with great disrespect. We're going to explain to you all. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding.
Starting point is 00:40:29 But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing.
Starting point is 00:41:09 So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them.
Starting point is 00:41:42 From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and
Starting point is 00:41:59 it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Glott.
Starting point is 00:42:27 And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves.
Starting point is 00:42:47 Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug ban. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now Cote. Marine Corps vet. MMA fighter. Liz
Starting point is 00:43:06 Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. Stories matter and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get
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Starting point is 00:43:53 a hip-hop historian, broadcast journalist, and an entrepreneur. The advantages was I got to do an album and hear my music on the radio and travel around the country with a major label. I was label maced with Tupac and Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch. Welcome the Poetess right here on the Frequency and the Black Star Network. On a next A Balanced Life with me, Dr. Jackie, how are you being of service to others? Doing for someone beside yourself is such a big part of living a
Starting point is 00:44:23 balanced life. We'll talk about what that means, the generation that missed that message, and the price that we're all paying as a result. Now all I see is mama getting up in the morning, there to nurture me and prepare me and to show me what a life looked like and what service looked like. That's all on the next A Balanced Life with me, Dr. Jackie, here at Blackstar Network. On the next Get Wealthy with me, Deborah Owens, America's Wealth Coach, the studies show that millennials and Gen Xers will be less well off than their parents. What can we do to make sure that we get to children younger and that they have the right money habits? Well, joining me on the next Get Wealthy is an author who's created a master playbook. Be willing to share some of your money mistakes, right?
Starting point is 00:45:30 If that's what you have to lean on, start with the money mistakes that you have made. But don't just tell the mistake, right? Tell the lesson in the mistake. That's right here on Get Wealthy, only on Blackstar Network. Hey, what's up? It's Tammy Roman. Hey, it's John Murray, the executive producer of the new Sherri Shepherd Talk Show. It's me, Sherri Shepherd, and you know what you're watching, Roland Martin Unfiltered. The Thank you. Martin! ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത്ത� Să ne vedem la următoarea mea rețetă. Thank you. Să ne urmăm în următoarea mea rețetă. I'm Martin. Martin! Thank you. All right, folks, let's talk craziness in Florida. Now, we see what's happening with African-American studies and what's happening.
Starting point is 00:51:37 Do you know what these fools are actually doing? They now are allowing PragerU, the hardcore right-wing conservative site, to now provide educational materials to students in the classrooms. PragerU Kids, an offshoot of PragerU, they're going to have videos pushing right-wing propaganda. Roughly 350 videos on the PragerU Kids YouTube channel range from anti-Black Lives Matter messaging to colonialist apologia,
Starting point is 00:52:08 climate denialism, and the deradicalization of Martin Luther King Jr. Seriously, John Neffel, CD writer with the rapid response of Media Matters, joins us right now. And here's the deal, John, that people need to understand. Two Texas billionaires gave PragerU $7 million to start. They raised $22 million the first year, $25 million the second year. And their whole goal was to reach millennials and Gen Z through their YouTube channel. New York Times had a big story on them. This is a perfect example of how the right wing in Florida is allowing right wing ideology to come in. So while they're trying to get rid of DEI, they're attacking CRT.
Starting point is 00:52:51 They got no problem with these nutcases having their video shared in classrooms all across Florida. Yeah, PragerU Kids is absolutely right-wing propaganda. There's no other way to say it. And as you just mentioned, their early funding came from two hydrofracking multibillionaires, Dan and Ferris Wilkes. So much of the PragerU kids' curriculum explicitly embraces climate denialism, and that helps to explain why the curriculum or the programming writ large, as you said, is chock full of anti-black racism, anti-LGBTQ messaging, inaccurate history, copaganda. Really, the list goes on. And this is now approved for use in Florida public schools from K to 12. It is crazy what we're seeing here. But again, this is what Ron DeSantis is doing.
Starting point is 00:53:51 And people need to... A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives.
Starting point is 00:54:27 But guests like Business Week editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing.
Starting point is 00:54:45 So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibbillion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission.
Starting point is 00:55:28 This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English.
Starting point is 00:56:02 I'm Greg Glod. And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
Starting point is 00:56:17 It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug man. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. Stories matter and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real.
Starting point is 00:56:50 Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. freaked out when white kids were protesting in the wake of George Floyd. And what they're trying to say is, oh, no, no, no, no. We cannot have these white kids out here learning the other American history, which is actually the factual one. Exactly. One of the videos that I think encapsulates what's going on so well is that there's a miniseries,
Starting point is 00:57:42 a subseries in the PragerU Kids universe where these two white kids, it's an animated show, these two white kids go back in history and visit historical figures. And in one of the episodes, they go back and visit Booker T. Washington. And this episode is instructive for a couple of reasons, one of which is that it provides truly awful history of the Civil War. The fictional Booker T. Washington tells these kids at one point that in describing the Civil War, he says, hundreds of thousands of men died in a war that resulted in my freedom. So what this line tells us is that it completely erases that enslaved people liberated themselves. And all of the existing scholarship on the Civil War says that that is
Starting point is 00:58:36 the most historically accurate way to understand the conflict itself and the lead up to it was black people and enslaved people organizing to free themselves, freeing themselves, fighting alongside the Union Army. And then later on in that episode, the fictional Booker T. Washington says, remember, children, future generations are never responsible for the sins of the past. And then one of the kids says, OK, that's great. I'm not going to feel guilty about this historical stuff anymore. history, and most importantly, learning how that history continues to order the present and continues to inform racist domination, class exploitation, and other forms of oppression that we live in in the United States. And this is an attempt to sort of cancel out any of that progress and revert to this comforting and false notion that there's kind of progress in the United States that just happens automatically
Starting point is 00:59:58 and that we have lived in a country of maybe there's been racism in the past, but there were never racists. And either way, it doesn't have anything to do with the present moment. Absolutely crazy. Go to my panel. Questions, Recy. Yeah, I just wanted to make a comment that this isn't about education or teaching. It's about indoctrination. And it's funny howans project that the liberal left or the progressives are the ones trying to indoctrinate people when that's exactly what they're trying to do that's my comment absolutely uh greg
Starting point is 01:00:35 greg you're on mute. Sorry about that, Roland. Thank you, man. There you go. Thank you. What do you think about this attempt by these well-funded things like Prager? And I've looked at the Prager University website, and the Prager Kids, it seems like the biggest views they get is like the ones between three and four hundred thousand for the cash course videos, which I suppose is a riff on Clint Smith and them's crash course videos. I saw the Frederick Douglass video, Delilo and Leila. I think they had 185,000 views. Ida B. Wells, another close
Starting point is 01:01:23 to 150,000. But the Martin Luther King was six months ago posted when these kids go, him only about 37,000. And the Booker T. Washington only had about 28,000. learning models and the increasing kind of attempt to intervene with digital platforms to displace classroom instruction and whether or not that's effective. And then the other question has to do with whether any of this will really matter in the classroom just because you can use something if it's not text assessment or driving instruction in that way, whether or not this will make a dent at all. To the first point about indoctrination from the previous panelist, one thing that's so important to understand is that Prager, the founder, Dennis Prager, recently admitted at a conference in Philadelphia held by Moms for Liberty, which is designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, that it's a fair statement. That's his phrase, quote, a fair statement to say
Starting point is 01:02:32 that PragerU indoctrinates kids. So I absolutely agree that this is about indoctrination. As to the point about the context of this disrupting classroom models, I think it's very well made and that PragerU Kids emerges or is launched in 2021, coming out of the COVID lockdowns and the right-wing backlash specifically against teachers' unions. And so this is when you see the so-called emergence of the so-called parental rights movement, especially in Virginia that pushed Glenn Youngkin's gubernatorial campaign. And of course, parental rights is a euphemism that means schools should prioritize the bigotries and anxieties of middle and upper class, largely white families, and not prioritize parents who are black, who are LGBTQ, who are immigrants.
Starting point is 01:03:42 And that the parental rights movement has always been about privileging some parents over the others. But I think that PragerU Kids is a very specific response to the power of labor and to the power of unions during COVID to demand safety regulations. And as far as the degree to which this is going to be adopted, it's a completely open question. There was local reporting from an NBC News affiliate that surveyed 10 school districts, and only one of them, this was a couple days after the announcement that the programming had been approved. And as of that point, only one school district had sort of said, yeah, you know, we might use this. We'll sort of see how it goes. And a bunch of others had said they hadn't had a chance to review it or that the window to approve curriculum had closed for this year. So I think that what you're seeing right now,
Starting point is 01:04:46 especially in Florida, but also around the country on programs like this, is that people learn about PragerU Kids and they're really, really unhappy about it. And if you exist outside the right-wing echo chambers, this kind of stuff is totally radical and it's ahistorical and anti-scholarship and all the rest of it. So I think that we are going to see a lot of parents contest this and push back and say, this is completely inappropriate for schools. We're seeing a little bit of that already. And I think it's only going to grow. Crucially, PragerU is trying to use this approval as a pry bar to get into other states and to use this approval to confer legitimacy on them. And I think that the more attention that is on the content of what's in
Starting point is 01:05:42 these videos, the harder it's going to be for them to get approval in a sort of hush-hush way, which is the way that it happened in Florida, and I think really kind of surprised everyone. Candace? Candace? You mentioned the parents, and my question is about the parents. What is it that they can do when the time comes in order to stop this, and do you see them as having the power to be able
Starting point is 01:06:06 to stop this in Florida? What we've learned over the last couple of years is that school boards are incredibly powerful, and the right has really tried to flood school boards with bogus complaints, tried to hijack school boards with very far-right extreme candidates. That's right out of the Moms for Liberty playbook. And I think that that is going to be the site where a lot of this is contested. Parents can lobby their school boards. They can lobby their principals, they can organize within their districts, because ultimately the decision about whether schools are going to use this material is one that's made district by district, and then on a smaller level in school to school, and then in classroom to classroom. So I think the other
Starting point is 01:07:05 thing that's important to remember here is that the protections that come from teachers unions are absolutely crucial for teachers who see this and say, I don't want to include this in my curriculum because there's no merit to it. PragerU is not an accredited university. You can go to their website and it's right there at the bottom. It says this is not an accredited university. It's infotainment. And so I think that the key is going to be organizing locally, defending labor rights, protecting your local teachers union and making sure that school boards are not completely taken over by these astroturf groups like Moms for Liberty. All right, then. Look, it is, again, I keep telling people the battle is over controlling
Starting point is 01:08:01 the narrative. That's what it boils down to. And that's what you see happening right here, how the right wing plays this. And so while a lot of these, you know, while a lot of these progressives are focusing on entertainment stuff along those lines, these folks are playing for keeps. John, we certainly appreciate it, man. Thank you so very much. Thanks for having me. Folks, we come back. We're going to talk about the case of Mississippi.
Starting point is 01:08:24 Six cops plead guilty to federal civil rights charges. Texas A&M. Oh, they got to pay a black professor a million bucks because they screwed up. We'll discuss those two things when we come back. I'm Roland Martin. Unfiltered right here on The Blackstone. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action.
Starting point is 01:08:55 And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick.
Starting point is 01:09:25 Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.
Starting point is 01:09:53 Across the country, cops call this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibillion-dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad.
Starting point is 01:10:21 It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1 Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Glod. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. We are back.
Starting point is 01:10:53 In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne.
Starting point is 01:11:12 We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug man. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Cor vet. MMA fighter Liz Karamush.
Starting point is 01:11:27 What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. Stories matter and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content,
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Starting point is 01:13:16 White people are losing their damn minds. There's an angry pro-Trump mob storm to the U.S. Capitol. We're about to see the rise of what I call white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial. This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson at Emory University calls white rage as a backlash. This is the rise of the Proud Boys and the Boogaloo Boys. America, there's going to be more of this.
Starting point is 01:13:55 There's all the Proud Boys, guys. This country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and its attitudes because of the fear of white people. The fear that they're taking our jobs they're taking our resources they're taking our women this is on the next get wealthy with me deborah, America's Wealth Coach, the studies show that millennials and Gen Xers will be less well off than their parents. What can we do to make sure that we get to children younger and that they have the right money habits? Well, joining me on the next Get Wealthy is an author who's created a master playbook. Be willing to share some of your money mistakes, right? If that's what you have to lean
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Starting point is 01:15:34 Keith Toney in a place to be. Got kicked out your mama's university, creator and executive producer of Fat Tuesdays, an air hip-hop comedy. But right now, I'm rolling with Roland Martin. Unfiltered, uncut, unplugged, and undamn believable. You hear me? Să ne vedem la următoarea mea rețetă! All right, folks, Texas A&M University, they've announced a $1 million settlement with Kathleen McElroy, the University of Texas professor who A&M agreed to hire to run the Department of Journalism. OK, they were supposed to give her a five year contract and give her tenure. But then it hit a snag. Why? Because the Board of Regents got involved. Not only have they released a statement regarding that settlement,
Starting point is 01:17:45 they also have released the results of an internal review, and what it shows clearly and convincingly, that members of the Board of Regents got involved in her hiring. It was even to the point where the president did not want Kathleen Banks, who later resigned, did not want to even announce her arrival until after the legislative session because of the optics of hiring somebody who used to work for the New York Times. In this internal review, it shows regents were heavily involved, six to seven regents.
Starting point is 01:18:18 It shows the university president lied when she met with the faculty senate. Everything that woman said was an absolute lie, and the report details that. Greg Carr, I want to go to you first because, again, they list the whole timeline of what happened here, and what you have here is undeniable. And Texas Governor Greg Abbott, Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick cannot be ignored here. What you have are white conservatives who did not want this black woman hired. And the Board of Regents, they've apologized to her.
Starting point is 01:18:53 That was one of the demands that I made. They had the settlement. But the reality is this here. You have the faculty. They've been saying this is going to be a chilling effect when it comes to hiring faculty in the future. And this is what we can expect to see by these white conservatives in these southern states. We know what happened to Nicole Hannah-Jones at the University of North Carolina. And so it's the same thing right here.
Starting point is 01:19:23 They did not want this black woman, had nothing to do with credentials, had to do with the color of her skin. Absolutely, and they succeeded. Congratulations to Texas A&M, just like the University of North Carolina succeeded in running off my now colleague at Howard, Nicole Hannah-Jones. I say congratulations, of course, tongue firmly planted in cheek. This is just the latest iteration of a long arc of the erosion of public universities. Higher education has been in crisis for quite some time. We've seen a number of resignations of presidents over the last few months. Some of that is because the expectation of the role of university president is increasingly changing. It's increasingly different.
Starting point is 01:20:05 There's a lot of board interference, and there's a lot of board expectation that college presidents do something that they haven't been doing before. Howard University just hired a president who is a full-blown academic and an academic administrator. And I would say that that's kind of an outlier these days. People are looking for business people and folk to grow the footprint of the university and do everything from build bigger football stadiums to bring in more grant dollars. And increasingly, higher education is looking like the free market institutions. And that's not the purpose of a university. Essentially, it's not supposed to be. But in this case, you see that trend clashing with exactly what you said, the deeply racist policies,
Starting point is 01:20:43 particularly when we are talking about those behind the cotton curtain, those public state universities in the South that are much more interested in whether Negroes can run up and down a football field, which is why the irony of having Professor McGarroy sign her contract as if she were a recruited five-star athlete just reinforced that foolishness. But it comes down to this. It was bloody, yes. Yes, the president lied and had to resign. Yes, all of those things are true. But if you're trying to
Starting point is 01:21:09 get rid of her, even if by paying a million dollars, you've achieved your purpose. I am sad for, and as you raised holy hell from the beginning, Roland, I'm sad for the students at Texas A&M who will not now have the opportunity to be taught by her and by the people who will be brought in by her. I'm sad for the alumni network. They would not have access opportunity to be taught by her and by the people who will be brought in by her. I'm saying for the alumni network, they would not have access to her and her network. Ultimately, what these white boys did, they got their woman.
Starting point is 01:21:35 They may have to pay her a million dollars, but she's not going to be an Aggie now, is she? Mm-hmm. Well, and here's the deal. Well, first of all, she's already an Aggie because she's a graduate, but they don't want her teaching. And here's the deal. I'm in a professor, yeah. To an agate because she's a graduate, but they don't want her teaching. And here's the deal. To all these fiscal conservatives, Recy, it's a million dollars of taxpayer money. And they don't give a damn because white supremacy is priceless, to Dr. Carr's point.
Starting point is 01:21:58 And they play for keeps every single time. So they will. I mean, I would like a million dollars. You can discriminate against me and not give me a job. But I'm just saying, she deserves every penny that she's getting. But to these white nationalists, the million dollars is what, you know, it's not a big deal to them.
Starting point is 01:22:16 And they're going to keep paying off who they need to pay off. But the more chilling effect is the way that it'll be harder to recruit. This is what we're seeing across the country and these Republican trifecta states. They're having issues filling these positions in Florida. And so it really is the students that suffer.
Starting point is 01:22:32 And students are going to have to be a little bit more discerning about the institutions that they go to. And are those institutions upholding the values in terms of hiring the kinds of people that are going to be the most enriching to their education? Unfortunately, some people, most people go to school locally. And so they don't have the privilege to relocate to another state that maybe has more progressive leadership or you don't have these crazy ass Republicans meddling in their education to the extent that they're doing in these states. But it is a loss and it is unfortunate, but it's another example of Republicans playing for keeps every single time, going after every single position and leaving no stone unturned. Candace, Texas A&M acknowledges that mistakes were made during the hiring process related to Dr. McElroy. The leadership of Texas A&M apologizes to Dr. McElroy for the way her employment application was handled, has learned from its mistakes, and will strive to ensure similar mistakes are not repeated in the future.
Starting point is 01:23:30 Commenting on the settlement, McElroy said, quote, Texas A&M University remains in my heart despite the events of the past month. I will never forget that Aggies, students, faculty members, former students, and staff voiced support for me from many sectors. I hope the resolution of my matter will reinforce A&M's allegiance to excellence in higher education and its commitment to academic freedom in journalism. She is staying as a senior professor at the University of Texas at Austin, which, of course, is the biggest rival of Texas A&M. Bing, that is also here, you know, the Chancellor Chancellor John Sharp, he issued a statement as well.
Starting point is 01:24:06 But the other thing is that here, that in addition to this here, they also had an investigation over a professor who criticized Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick. First of all, here's the deal. Nobody can say what she really said, but he he led to the launch of investigation. They also admit that how that was handled was also wrong. But what I need people, everybody who's watching to understand, who's listening to understand is that. And this is why I discuss in my book, White Fear, how the browning of America is making white folks lose their minds. What we have to understand is these people are engaged. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways.
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Starting point is 01:27:59 And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. In an all-out assault on blackness. While we're discussing this, Ed Bloom, the white
Starting point is 01:28:24 man who led the effort to give affirmative action in college and universities, today filed a lawsuit against a black women focused venture fund in Atlanta and is literally trying to use the 1866 Civil Rights Act against black folks, even though. Now, here's a fund. Keisha like Pulliam is involved in this, Candace. OK. And their goal is to target a venture capital fund to black women. We know for a fact that in private, less than two percent of all venture capital goes to black people. These white conservatives don't even want that to happen.
Starting point is 01:29:11 So we see two prongs. The white conservatives don't want a lot to happen. And I'll go briefly on the professor since I am a professor. People have to understand that when you are actually applying for a job that is a tight process that has to be, steps have to be followed. And if not, you are actually applying for a job, that is a tight process that has to be,
Starting point is 01:29:25 steps have to be followed. And if not, you are breaking the law. You have to ask all the candidates the same question. There can be no outsiders in the process. You are on that search committee. And when you make that decision, you present the decision and that's the decision that it is. So anybody along the way, whether they're the board of regents, whether you're the chair of the department, if you weren't on that search committee, you are breaking the law. So that's something that was inevitable, that they would have to have a settlement because that is not how you run a search committee and that is not how you select candidates to be a part of your operation or university. When it comes to Bloom, here's one thing that I think the media is kind of guilty of, and that is making sure that this man is presented like some lone wolf, one-man band who's doing all of these things from affirmative action to, as you said, using an old law to make sure that racist quotas aren't used in his own words.
Starting point is 01:30:27 But that is not the truth. This is a man who is supported by various levels of billionaires, leftist groups who support him in everything that he does. And the media is putting him out there and giving him more power than he even deserves because it's just nonsensical. As you said, if you look at the numbers, if you're going to go to court, you have to look at the numbers and the numbers don't make sense in terms of those who invest in organizations and groups like black femalerun organizations or investment groups. It just doesn't happen. So I blame the media, but I also blame, as you said, the whole white conservatism that's been uplifting him to make sure that he's out here like this superhero doing all these things when
Starting point is 01:31:22 there is a machine behind it, and that is how it should be presented it's not just him and we do ourself a disservice by thinking he's just this one guy doing his own lone wolf thing it is a whole system behind him and that's how it has to be reported but the thing though greg is not going to happen because, frankly, these are these outlets are filled with a number of white folks. A lot of them, frankly, agree with this. OK, liberals and conservatives. Look, I'm here at the NABJ convention in Birmingham. I'm walking past African-Americans who are a host of shows. And I know they've said their white producers will not let them book me on the show
Starting point is 01:32:07 because they don't like the title of my book because it deals with them and so we you know it's like I'm trying to say to black folks we better recognize the war that is going on and I warn everybody this was not about critical race theory. This was not about any of that stuff. They want to dismantle any and every program and initiative in academia, in government, with corporations that deals with equity. Everybody, all y'all black folks in corporate America, and this is where I'm going to need the executive leadership council and the black economic alliance and all of these people to understand y'all, your members can't be satisfied sitting back collecting their nice black bougie
Starting point is 01:32:57 checks. All of you black board members have got to wake the hell up because they are going to sue every single company in this country regarding your hiring practices, regarding affinity groups, regarding how you recruit at HBCUs. They're going to sit here and go after everything because these people hate black people and they are largely white conservatives, Greg. No, absolutely. I wish them the best. Again, being facetious. Their phone except their experiment is crumbling.
Starting point is 01:33:32 They're terrified. And they're not just booking you because they don't like your title rolling. But we know it's much more than that. They're not booking because they don't like you. See, there's something, you know, during the summer, the so-called summer of reckoning in 2020, when the National Football League and the National Basketball Association, certainly the NFL, had a little bit scared before when they thought they were going to have a whole ass slave rebellion. And even Jerry Jones took the knees.
Starting point is 01:34:01 You know, when you see, when you're faced with some people who have decided that they're no longer, they no longer care what you say, that becomes a real threat. You've got to destroy them. Ed Blum, whose country and philosophy and culture is dying, make no mistake about it, it's dying and it's going to die a painful death, but it's death nonetheless, is fighting with everything he has. And he should, because his funky little worldview is collapsing. So I understand Ed Bloom.
Starting point is 01:34:27 And as Candace said, he's not alone. And as you said, Roman, he's not alone. The problem we have is that our people who achieve some level of visibility in these white platforms and white institutions are satisfied with that. And because they are satisfied with that, they are not going to fight with both fists. And everybody in those platforms, everybody down there in the NABJ that you're interacting with, Roland, they all know you, and you know them. And they're not going to risk their little job, their little access, their little badge,
Starting point is 01:35:01 their little ability to be in the little room for saying, where's Roland Martin, where's the independent black media? And as a result, these folks, you know, as Recy has said and Kansas has said, they're marching with impunity. The University of North Carolina just announced that they have revised their admissions policies. They are going to make sure that they do everything they can to exclude us from those spaces. But guess what? We have spaces.
Starting point is 01:35:28 Black Star Network is a space. HBCUs are a space. And so to all of our friends who prefer their little funky little access until they have their throats and with the last bleep from their lips as they realize they've made a mistake, they scream bloody murder and come running back to the race and say, save me a word. You can't be saved as long as you love your master more than your people. they scream bloody murder and come running back to the race and say, save me a word. You can't be saved as long as you love your master more than your people.
Starting point is 01:35:51 And that's what we're seeing even in this moment. Indeed. All right, folks, hold tight one second. We come back. Six white cops plead guilty to federal civil rights violations. We'll explain next on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. I'm Faraji Muhammad, live from L.A., and this is The Culture. The Culture is a two-way conversation, you and me. We talk about the stories, politics, the good, the bad, and the downright ugly. So join our community every day at 3 p.m. Eastern and let your voice be heard. Hey, we're all in this together.
Starting point is 01:36:30 So let's talk about it and see what kind of trouble we can get into. It's the culture. Weekdays at 3, only on the Black Star Network. Up next on The Frequency with me, Dee Barn, the poetess Alicia Morris is in the house. She's an emcee, a recording artist, a hip-hop historian, broadcast journalist, and an entrepreneur. The advantages was I got to do an album and hear my music on the radio
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Starting point is 01:37:18 a big part of living a balanced life. We'll talk about what that means, the generation that missed that message and the price that we're all paying as a result. Well, now all I see is mama getting up in the morning, going to work, maybe dropping me off at school, then coming back home at night. And then I really didn't have any type of time with the person that really was there to nurture me and prepare me and to show me what a life looked like and what service looked like. That's all on the next A Balanced Life with me, Dr. Jackie, here at Blackstar Network.
Starting point is 01:37:55 Hey, what's up, y'all? I'm Devon Frank. I'm Dr. Robin B., pharmacist and fitness coach, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. All right, folks, welcome back to Roland Martin, Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Six former law enforcement officers in Mississippi, Rankin County, have pled guilty to federal civil rights violations in regard to an abusive case where they just beat two black men. The officers, Brett McAlpin, Jeffrey Middleton, Christian Dedman, Leonard Elwert, Daniel Updike and Joshua Hartfield, made their initial court appearances for their involvement in the beating and sexual assault of Michael Corey Jenkins and Eddie Parker. The officers. The officers face charges of conspiracy against rights, deprivation of rights under the court of law, conspiracy to obstruct justice and obstruction of justice. Additional charges of using firearms during the act of violence have been brought against Detman and Elwood, which carry a potential life sentence if convicted. Jenkins and Parker filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against Rankin County, seeking $40 million in damages. This is, again,
Starting point is 01:39:15 a story that we've been covering in a significant way, talking to the attorneys for the individuals involved. It is really just a stunning, stunning case out of Mississippi. And again, and let me just read this here. This was the story from WLBT. It says six former Rankin County law enforcement officers walked into the federal courthouse in downtown Jackson as free men on Thursday. They were later escorted out of Judge Tom Lee's courtroom one by one in handcuffs and shackles in the custody of the U.S. Marshal's office. Joining us right now to talk about this is Kareem Muhammad, spokesman for the Mississippi, for the Justice Party of Mississippi. Kareem, glad to have you on the show. First and foremost, I'm sorry, also
Starting point is 01:40:12 joined by John Barnett, national civil rights activist as well. Glad to have both of you, John, out of Charlotte. John, I want to start with you. We covered this story from day one. Malik Zulu Shabazz was on the show talking about what happened here. And this was just stunning and shocking, this beating and the fact that these two brothers, the fact that they're still living is still what's stunning. I mean, they could have been absolutely murdered and these cops would have concocted a story to get away with it. That's correct. That's correct. Mr. Martin, thank you for all your help, your support.
Starting point is 01:40:51 Your show has allowed us to get the word out to the masses of the people. If you were in court today, Mr. Martin, me and my friends were just looking at each other over and over again. We didn't know this happened. It's the first time I've ever seen in 17 years of civil rights. I mean, I've got to give you these two points. To know that they put the gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger and it didn't work and then pulled it a second time. And once they realized that it happened, apparently they said it was a mistake, they all huddled on the back porch and put the story together. And then came back in and started planting guns and planting
Starting point is 01:41:25 meth inside the house that they already had in their car, just in case an incident like this would happen. But today, as we—historically, we've seen slaves being shackled and brought to America. Today I've seen six cops in a federal courthouse be shackled, handcuffed, and taken in the back. And it still isn't enough, because since we've been in Mississippi for the last two months, there's more cases that's popped up. I'm sure Mr. Kareem can talk about that. But it's just, it's so much, Mr. Martin, like three shows, because so much stuff was going
Starting point is 01:42:01 on with this case that we didn't even know, that the DOG was reading, the prosecutors was reading this stuff out to us. I mean, it was just shocking. It's totally shocking. Kareem? Yes. Thank you again as well, Mr. Morton, for allowing us with this opportunity. definitely say that we thank attorney Malik Shabazz along with attorney Trent Walker for believing in us and taking the lead in this legislation, part of this legal battle that we had. We know this is just one journey toward our continuous journey of justice for those whose names are known and unknown.
Starting point is 01:42:48 But we know, we remember in 64 when they pulled James Chaney and Michael Schroeder and Andrew Goodman from the dirt that they were buried in before that they had brought many young black men from the swamp that they never talked about. And so the same thing is going on here in Mississippi. This is an ongoing struggle that we have to get justice for our people. Our great pioneer, Thurgood Marshall, said that the white Klansmen used to wear white robes.
Starting point is 01:43:23 Now they're wearing black robes. But we say the day that we found out when we was in that court. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives.
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Starting point is 01:44:25 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future
Starting point is 01:44:41 where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops call this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibillion-dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated.
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Starting point is 01:46:51 The Klansmen are wearing blue robes now, and they're hiding not behind white sheets, but behind badges. I've got my pen on canvas. I mean, that really is what we are looking at. I mean, when we look at the details here, when we have Malik on and describing, it's absolutely shocking and stunning. But this is also quite fast, how fast this thing moved for them to go to federal court and plead guilty. Yes, yes. And I think, again, back to your show contributing to this,
Starting point is 01:47:30 getting the message out. We were on those stations. I won't plug them. But we're voting. CNN, The New York Times is outside now. Washington Post. I think Mississippi was not ready for outside resources. And that's why you're so, so important. I subscribe and I send money to you every month because it's important that shows like yours and others get the message out. I appreciate it. Most definitely. I'm a proud subscriber. Yes. But what I'm saying is that it's important that outside resources come in.
Starting point is 01:47:52 I tell people all the time, Benjamin Crump, good friend of mine, Attorney Crump is from Florida, but he flew to Minneapolis, sued, got his suitcase and went back home. Johnny Cochran was in Los Angeles, California, flew into New York City for Louima, won $7 million after he was sodomized by the police department, and then he went back to Los Angeles. So sometimes it's key because sometimes lawyers inside the city that you work in and inside the state don't want to sue. They don't want to help as much as they should because they live here and they got to eat here. So I thank God for Attorney Malik Zubaz again from being on the outside.
Starting point is 01:48:25 He's not from here. He's from Maryland. But his family's from Mississippi. That's right. His family's from here. That's right. And we're doing this in the memory and spirit of our members, you know? That's right.
Starting point is 01:48:34 We're 60 years. I want to add, Mr. Martin, I found out today that out of these six dumb cops, and I'm going to call them the dumbest cops in Mississippi, five have a high school diploma, and one has a college degree. And he probably barely got that. So I would say that if a doctor works on us
Starting point is 01:48:52 and he needs a degree, if a dentist works on our team and they need a degree, some of these guys need a degree. These guys got five high school diplomas, and I'm almost thinking they will see a D-minus students. And so that's something we have to... Candace Kelly. Well, you know, it makes me think of the fact that the age of these men,
Starting point is 01:49:14 27 to 52, according to the Department of Justice, these are men who, what they did was so egregious that they went ahead and pled guilty. That is a serious aberration from what we are used to, number one. Number two, you have to think what did happen exactly between the point where they were sworn in and took their oath to protect and serve to this day where they decided to label themselves a goon squad and go, and as you said, shoot somebody in the face, agree to beat them where they wouldn't show in their mugshot, pour alcohol on them, syrup and milk, and then ask them to go wash off the evidence. What type of police officer does that?
Starting point is 01:49:53 And what happened in that space to where they took their oath to that day? And I'm wondering from the both of you what you think is going on inside, because some indoctrination was taking place that was completely against the grain of when they put up their hands and said, I will protect and serve. I do think a lot of it has to do with education. Often, the less you have, the more vulnerable you are to just dumb ideas. These were probably people who were online a lot, vulnerable, indoctrinated by the algorithm. You know, all of a sudden, you know, the white supremacy in them rolls up and then they took it out in this way. But I am wondering from you in terms of what you think is going on in that station or that precinct with those officers? Absolutely. If I may, is that again, is that what I'm saying is that this is not nothing new.
Starting point is 01:50:51 This is Mississippi. And again, I will refer back to one of our older pioneers, the Mosabalaj Muhammad in his book, Messages of a Black Man. He rewrote, I mean, reprinted the letter that was sent to him by J.D. Stone, a classmate of that time. And the letter was sent to the New York police chief. And he was asked, his police chief, to allow him to let his classmate wear police uniforms. Secondly, I want to say that just as George Floyd took his last breath and when he said, I can't breathe, and Freddie
Starting point is 01:51:28 took his last breath and he said, I can't breathe. We have a young man here, Damian Cameron, whose mother said that when he was taking his last breath, he said the same thing, I can't breathe. Why am I saying that? Because what we have found out that the police department, these police officers are being trained overseas in Israel, and they're being taught how to treat us in the black community, how to come to us and do certain things. And so this is a teamster organization of black racist supremacist police officers.
Starting point is 01:52:03 This is not just in Mississippi. That's why I made the mention. This police officers. This is not just in Mississippi. That's why I made the mention. This is Minneapolis. This is in New York City. This is throughout the country. And then you talk about- Recy. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:52:19 But you got to keep in mind, just because they do oath, don't mean that it's not in their DNA. They're just- That's right. Their forefathers. That's right. Who knew? Gotcha. I was curious to know that there was an investigation
Starting point is 01:52:33 that found that these officers had been involved in other violent and sometimes fatal encounters with Black men. Is there any indication that the cases that they were involved in are getting a second look, knowing that they planted evidence in this case? And my other question is, what happened to the charges for your clients in terms of, were those charges that were trumped up, dropped, and
Starting point is 01:52:57 expunged from their records? Yes, those charges were dropped, to my understanding. Those charges were dropped. And also, yes, to your first point, Damian Cameron is one, two of the six officers was responsible for his death. So absolutely, it's definitely a pattern that's been going on for a long period of time. And if you see, I'm holding a book now that was written by a brother named Brother Charles Muhammad. His son was murdered in 1991. His wife was the president of the NAACP, and he was the minister of the country at that time. And his son was arrested in Reckon County. And within 12 hours, he had been sent over to Simpson County,
Starting point is 01:53:46 where the other officer that was a part of this was from. And within 12 hours, he was lynched. And so in that... And hung inside the jail, Mike. Inside the jail. And so Chuck Ray Lamumba, who we have lost, used to be the mayor here, along with others, researched and found out there were many cases of young black men being hung the same way. And so, again, we're saying this is Mississippi.
Starting point is 01:54:14 But what we are thankful for is that the Department of Justice is now creating an investigation in Reckon County. And they are asking those that have been a victim of this to come forward. And we believe that in a few days, a lot more will come forward. And Mr. Martin, I also want to add that not only did they get charges, did they plead guilty to these charges today, the DOJ is going forth, Attorney General is going forth with state charges as well. So just the way they did R. Kelly, they're doing the same thing to these cops over here right across the street.
Starting point is 01:54:47 And the last part that we want to make, of course, at the bottom end, we know that the major reason why this is being out front is because of grassroots organizing. It's because we decided that we were not going to take any more, that we kept going out. We started out with one or two of us, then four or five of us, then 10 of us, then 20 of us, then 40 of us. And we decided to let them know that we would not stop. And because of that, along with attorneys, we are where we are today. That's right. I told them we're like Bebe's kids. We don't die. We multiply. Greg Carr. Thank you, Roland.
Starting point is 01:55:29 And thank you, Brothers Muhammad and Martin. And I want to ask you a question kind of following along as it relates to Rankin County. Are these guys, I mean, they're obviously going to be punished. We expect they'll be punished. But we know they're not outliers, as you said, Brother Muhammad. This is systemic. This is structural. We know it well. Do we run the risk of—well, let me rephrase this.
Starting point is 01:55:58 How do we attack the structural nature of this continuing threat to black life, particularly given the fact that the brothers are suing, I guess it's still active, they are suing for, perhaps asking for $400 million from Rankin County. Of course, we know, to go back to the story that Roland was covering a minute ago about Texas A&M, that's going to come out of taxpayer pockets if you do. That ultimately convicting a handful of racists in a racist system, draining public dollars, you know, how do we approach uprooting this systemically? And tell us a little bit about Rankin County and why, in a county in which the initial prompt, I guess, for this latest act by this goon squad was somebody calling and saying that black people were living in a house with a white woman.
Starting point is 01:56:49 What is it about Rankin County? Is Rankin County an outlier, or is that just par for the course of Mississippi as well? I'll let Brother Kareem answer about Rankin County, because he's from this general area. But to your first question in reference to what do we do in reference to, you know, is this going to continue to happen? I think the answer is, is that we need to have more stern, the mass of cops that have shot black men in this country. You can probably add the years up on one hand. So I think the key is, is that if I was to shoot a precious white female in her mouth,
Starting point is 01:57:21 then I would not be getting some type of plea bargain. They're going to be trying to go all out. They're going to try to get 20, 30 years. This is attempted murder. We don't even have hate crime on this list, to my understanding. We don't have hate crime. We've got 13 counts. No hate crime.
Starting point is 01:57:34 They'd use the N-word, and then they'd put a gun in their mouth, and they'd shot them. That's a hate crime. So there's a lot of things. I think they slipped through the cracks. I think we need to punish them to the fullest extent, and I'm really upset. I thought we was getting ready for a trial. I didn't want to plea bargain. You know why?
Starting point is 01:57:47 Because plea bargain means it minimizes the punishment. For example, you get like 10 years for a charge, where if you take a trial and you lose, you get 20 to 25. So I wish they had a fault. Now, six of the officers over here, two have Afro-American lawyers. And I know they're feeling bad right now. So I'll let him elaborate on Rankin County. Thank you. And, of course, Rankin County, you can think of Ferguson.
Starting point is 01:58:11 It's the same way. Predominantly white police officers in 2020 and 2023, which should be unheard of. But that's the way. It's a white county. And the language that they said during the time of accosting those individuals in the home, Michael Jenkins and Eddie Parker, which was get out of here. Go back to Jackson, Mississippi, where there's all blacks at. Pearl, Mississippi, all those are white counties. And one thing about Mississippi, it has never been a sundown town because black people knew where to go and they knew where not to go. Whereas up north, they had to have sundown town at the same time you knew not to go down there.
Starting point is 01:58:54 But in Mississippi, it was always been a borderline. And so Reckon County has always been like that. And so that is the culture of that area. But when we're talking about opportunity, we have an opportunity now for Black Mississippians to recognize that if we stand up for
Starting point is 01:59:16 our own selves, then now we can begin to fight this systematic system of white supremacy, not just in the police department, but in legislation and other departments that are outright controlling this system. All right, gentlemen, we appreciate all that you have done, and we will continue to monitor this case and others. Thank you so very much for joining us.
Starting point is 01:59:41 Thank you. Thank you. Reesey, Candace, Greg, we certainly appreciate the three of you joining us. Thank you. Thank you. Racy, Candace, Greg, we certainly appreciate the three of you joining us on the panel today as well. Lots of things we covered and thank you so very much for your input as well. Folks, that is it. I'm here
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