#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Trump Skips Shutdown Talks, MD Job Losses, Memphis Band Kazoo Protest, Black Family Legacy

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

9.23.2025 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Trump Skips Shutdown Talks, MD Job Losses, Memphis Band’s Kazoo Protest, Black Family LegacyTrump chickens out and bails on a crucial meeting with Democratic leaders to avoid a government shutdown, calling their demands "unserious and ridiculous."Maryland lost another 2,500 federal jobs in August.  Making it the second straight month the state led the nation in federal job losses.You're going to love this story: A Memphis High School Band gets banned from performing at a football game.  So they show up with kazoos!We have two authors in the studio tonight.  First, we'll spotlight a groundbreaking new book chronicling the Black family that shaped American architecture. Cheryl McKissack Daniel, author of 'The Black Family Who Built America.'And author Dr. Lamell McMorris' new book, 'The Power to Persist,' is full of lessons on resilience.#BlackStarNetwork partner: Fanbasehttps://www.startengine.com/offering/fanbaseThis Reg A+ offering is made available through StartEngine Primary, LLC, member FINRA/SIPC.  This investment is speculative, illiquid, and involves a high degree of risk, including the possible loss of your entire investment. You should read the Offering Circular (https://bit.ly/3VDPKjD) and Risks (https://bit.ly/3ZQzHl0) related to this offering before investing.Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV.The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Maryland loses more federal jobs due to down Trump's federal cuts and lost 2,500 jobs. The second straight month, the state has led the nation and federal jobs losses. Folks, you're gonna love this story. A Memphis high school band gets banned from performing at a football game. Yeah, a black high school banned

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with Democratic leaders Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries. The talks were supposed to hammer out a deal to prevent a government shutdown, but Trump dismissed Democrats' push for more health care funding as un-serious and ridiculous and not worth the time. Jeffries fired back, calling Trump's statement unhinged and accusing him of shirking his responsibilities at a critical moment. The statement that Donald Trump issued today was unhinged, and it related to issues that have nothing to do with the spending bill that is before the Congress and the need

to try to avoid a government shutdown. Nothing to do with transgender issues or any of the other wild things from the standpoint of what actually is under discussion in the context of this meeting. Leader Schumer and I sent a letter that we publicly released on Saturday that made clear what the stakes are for the American people. and it related to the Republican health care crisis. The attack on Medicaid, the attack on Medicare, the attack on the affordable care rank, the attack on our hospitals, nursing homes, and community-based health clinics, and the attack on medical research. Now, the deadline of the shutdown is September 30th, and so we see all of this back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. All right, let's get into it with our panel. Dr. Mustafia Santiago Ali, former senior advisor for environmental justice to the EPA, he joins us.

Also, we of course have Michael Brown, of course, former chair of DNC Finance Committee, as well as D.C. Councilman, and we got Joe Richardson's the rights attorney out of L.A. All right, Michael, just real simple. If I'm Schumer and Jeffries, all right, says your punk ass don't want to meet, y'all passed this bill. We ain't lifting a damn finger. That's what you do. It's absolutely what they should do.

Frankly, they should have done that in March as well. We know what Senator Schumer, what route he chose to take. But absolutely. I mean, you have no choice. They control, they being Republicans, control the House, the Senate, 1,600 Pennsylvania Avenue, which is obviously the White House. So this is their shutdown if it happens. This is their crisis.

They refuse to help people in need relative to help. care. And frankly, from my standpoint, we, being Democrats, should have added aid to farmers, not just black farmers, but all farmers, that are in dire straits because of these tariffs. So that should have been obviously the health care to save millions of people to keep their health care, but also some aid for farmers. But I know that's not in there now, but absolutely, if they don't meet the demands of Democrats, whatever happens happens, and it would be their fault. No, damn that, Mustafa. I ain't given a farmer shit, okay?

You know why? Because Trump screwed them four years ago and $25 billion in taxpayer funding went to them same damn farmers, and you know what them farmers did? They voted for Trump. So I'm going to let their ass, enjoy all his pain, and I'm going to sit here and say,

no, farmers ain't getting no bail out if regular ordinary folk don't get a bell out. Damn that. That's right there. That should actually be on a T-shirt because folks really need to take that to heart. You know, Trump can't afford a government shutdown. You know, if we want to talk about it from an economic standpoint, you know, we have an economy that he pushed and pushed to get that interest rate cut because they understood the cliff

that was coming and how the economy was trying to get traction. So I remember the 2018-2019 shutdown. We lost about $11 billion. our country did, when that shutdown happens, when he does these different types of things thinking that he's actually hurting, you know, federal workers and others, he's actually just inflicting more damage onto the economy. So he needs to be really mindful about how he moves. The other thing that goes on when you have these government shutdowns is that it impacts tourism. Now, tourism is already down significantly in our country, and he is going to end up

shutting down national parks and a number of other places that people visit. He's also going to impact contractors, because when you impact federal workers, you are also impacting what happens in the federal contracting space, both the general contractors and the subcontractors. So what he is really doing is creating an additional tax on the American people. Folks should be speaking out, and they should be making sure that he understands what's going on. So the Democrats actually have a card to play here by allowing them to have to carry this load

themselves. So we'll see how it all plays out. Joe, I ain't lifting a finger. My deal is, since y'all want to sit here and screw us and don't do, hey don't, my name Bennett ain't in it. It's all on y'all.

Yeah, and they've got three branches, so let them do it to the point that's been made. Hell, they probably should have did this six months ago, tell you the truth. Finally, Democrats stand up, fight for something. Make make them do it.

If they don't want to deal, then let them make magic and do it themselves. And I think that even on a Democrat's worst day, I would like to think that they don't get the blame for this thing if it has to shut down.

You know, somebody's got to stand up for those of the least of us. There are some things that have gotten taken in these bills, and so much so, there have been litigation, excuse me, there have been legislation that's been passed

and the things that were allotted under past bills have been pulled. Okay. And so basically, really, I think that the Democrats are in the driver's seat in that they can say, listen, you guys have all chambers of Congress. You guys do what you need to do to get this thing passed. If you're not dealing with us at all, then you deal with it. And they be the ones that are seen as taking a stand for those that are the least of us. And then just go from there. But it's frankly about time that they got an opportunity to really stand ten toes. down so it looks like they're really standing for something really like it really looks like you're standing for those that are the least of us and if the government needs to shut down in the meantime i don't want to minimize that because we all know that that's a big and drastic thing but if this is where we are then this is where we are the worst thing that they could do is act

like we're not at this place we are left at this place then you let them do it let them take ownership of it and let them take blame for yeah i i just i just don't believe in playing nice I just don't believe in playing nice And right now, Michael, the problem is These Dems, they ain't got no guts They ain't got no gusto They ain't got no fight People and people think that Schumer

And Jeffreys are weak as hell When they talk about When they talk about Approval ratings And they're very low among national Dems These really are the two they're talking about You're absolutely correct, and we've been, every time we're on the show, we talk about this. And we'll see what happens when the vote comes in the next couple days.

And if folks stand up, then maybe we'll have a different opinion next time we're on that they stood up. Obviously, the concern that some have raised is that shutdowns are easy to execute, but they're very difficult to climb out of because they're going to have to have the same kind of discussion or negotiation to get out of the shutdown. So that's the challenge. Anytime there's a shutdown, obviously, I'm pleased this will be a Republican shutdown or the Trump shutdown. But nonetheless, people will be hurt during a shutdown and then having to sit down again

with Mr. Orange and figure out how to get a deal with him. Because if he tells Mike, Speaker Johnson, not to meet, if he tells Senator Thorn not to meet and not to negotiate, then we're going to be in this quandary for quite some time. If cooler heads prevailed, they would help the folks who are about to lose their health care. They could come to a deal, do maybe a seven-week extension, and start to just come back. Keep in mind, these CRs are continuing to happen because folks cannot sit down, negotiate, and compromise. So these continuing resolutions are going to continue to happen until the Republicans

frankly, learn that Washington is built and designed to work together and compromise. The president tells them not to work and compromise. This is where we are. Well, I just, when you're dealing with evil people, Mustafa, at some point, you've got to have some fight in you to say, all right, you don't want to meet? Fine.

We're not going to meet. Tell your caucus, no. Nobody moves. Nobody does nothing. Nothing. Yeah, I mean, Trump is flexing, right? He figures that he can continue to do what he's always done, which is bully folks. I mean, he loses nothing by sitting down and having a conversation with those two members about health care. He can still continue to do whatever he wants to do, but it just shows to show, you know, that he has no real... I'm Jorge Ramos.

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continues to pile them up. So let him carry the weight for this as well, because he has no idea how to actually help the American people. And that is based upon the actions that he has done, the, you know, pieces of legislation that have been of little benefit to the most vulnerable people and even middle class folks across our country. I'll comment, Joe. Yeah, I mean, ditto, ditto, ditto. Let them do it. Democrats need to work on their messaging anyway, okay?

A lot of times we're on the right side of an issue, but the messaging is so poor. We're not going to get around the corner and get over the hump and across the finish line if our messaging isn't what it needs to be. Tighten up this messaging so people understand what's going on and people see it the way that it needs to be seen. And it's the way that aligns to truth. It shouldn't be so hard to make the message. messaging what it needs to be work on the messaging sit tight and let what come comes absolutely are y'all going to a break we'll be right back rolling martin unfiltered on the

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I'm Russell L. Honorary, Lieutenant General, United States, are we retired, and you're watching Rollo Martin on Filthick. Well, folks, Maryland has lost another 2,500 federal jobs, The second consecutive month, they've led the nation in federal job losses. The state's economy is closely linked to the federal workforce. Obviously, when they say the DMV is D.C., Maryland and Virginia. According to the Maryland Labor Department, approximately 269,000 residents were employed by the federal government in 2023, with more than 158,000 federal jobs located within the state that year.

Come on, it was pulling graphic. The August numbers bring total federal job loss. in Maryland to 15,100 since January when Donald Trump took office and began his push to shrink the federal workforce, still since the start of the Moore Miller, since the, of course, the administration of Governor Westmore, Maryland has added 96,000 jobs overall, a rate of growth faster the nation as a whole. According to Maryland.gov, the five sectors with the largest estimated job losses in August were administrative and support in waste management and remediation services, other services, government, health care, social assistance, manufacturing.

Listen, we saw Mustafa, we saw Governor West Moore. I mean, he saw this coming and what they were doing, being very aggressive in finding opportunities for those folks in the state of Maryland. But, listen, Trump doesn't give a damn. It's all about whatever he's doing. So he doesn't care what happened in Maryland with a Democratic governor. Hell, he don't care about Virginia, whatever Republican. governor? Yeah, I mean, all of his actions actually lead to that. I mean, you know, it's an interesting

dynamic. You know, I take a look at what's going on across the country. So there are federal workers in lots of different spaces and places. But it seems like wherever we have the largest black populations, that's there's intentionality also. And, you know, creating chaos and limiting, you know, economic opportunities. When you look at Maryland, we have some the wealthiest black counties in our nation. So they also understand, I'm not saying that that's the only driver, but they also understand that there's an opportunity here to continue to shrink the wealth and power inside of the black community. So one, we should call that forward. The other part of it is, once again, they're actually shooting themselves in the foot, you know,

because of the wealth that exist inside places like Maryland and D.C. and Northern Virginia and a couple of other locations, you know, they play a significant role also in the GDP of our country. So, you know, when you have these policies that are often not well thought out or they don't take into consideration the damage that you're not only going to do to the black community, but how that's going to also reverberate across our country, then, you know, it's not only short-sighted, but it is par for the course for this administration to continue to make these types of mistakes. as we get ready for it, Joe, we're going to see more job losses.

This economy has been tanking under Donald Trump, and he thinks that the Fed lowing interest race is going to be the answer. Now, that ain't going to be it because this idiot and his tears are destroying everything. And on top of that, what they're doing to the federal workforce, it's crazy. Yeah, and as we know, the federal workforce has been the basis of the achieved middle class for many black people, including my own family. My mom worked for the federal government for 40 years, Department of Veterans Affairs. I have cousins actually in Maryland right now that work for the government as well. And so between that, listen, you know, a lowered interest rate is not going to help me buy a house or get a car if I don't have a job. Additionally, even companies that would invest in the economy, they're not going to invest in the economy with these tariffs taking things all over the place.

They'd rather save that money because they don't need to make a huge investment of time, place, resource, and then have, Trump flipped because he's patted somebody. And so between those two problems, the economy potentially contracts, and then as the economy contracts, now, even if you get a good president a few years from now, even if you get someone else with a different volition and a different will, the money will have dried up and disappeared, or that will certainly be the argument. So, yeah, that's not going to get any easier. And in addition to everything else, Maryland also has a bright incredible governor who could be president. He doesn't want to

work with him. He doesn't want to work with Westmore. He doesn't want to work with anybody who's has the potential to upstage him either. So you've got all of these things coming through where he's not particularly concerned about the plight of folks of Maryland's, the Virginias, places like that that are D.C. adjacent

have a lot of government jobs. And so this is going to be a devastating impact, and it's going to be hard to reverse it. And I think it'll get worse before it gets better. Michael. I mean, Governor Moore, certainly no secret that there are many people that think you would be a great candidate for the Democratic nomination. And as Mustafa said, these folks are so calculating relative to who they want to hurt.

I know sometimes they overshoot and hurt their own voters. But in this case, it certainly doesn't hurt them to go after a potential candidate in their backyard, in their state, so they can throw these statistics out later for how much much job loves there was. Now, you know, obviously Governor Moore will respond and say it's not his fault. He added jobs. And then they wanted to shrink the government unjustly, and that impacted obviously Prince George's County, Baltimore County, and other counties around the state of Maryland. But nonetheless, these folks are cruel, don't care. All they care about is culture, white supremacy, and making sure they hurt black folks. So it's politics,

and culture is really all they care about. They don't care about policy. If they cared about policy, they would work with experts, work with the Congress, and try to figure out the best way to move forward. That's not how they're operating. So I wouldn't put it past them if this wasn't by design to go after the particular state of Maryland, which is obviously some of the counties are bedroom counties to the District of Columbia as well as Northern Virginia, which is also mostly Democratic. I know we say Virginia and people think red. Obviously, we know Virginia is not a red state, it's more of a purple state. But nonetheless, that surrounding county

in Arlington and Alexandria and Loudon, you have a lot of diverse counties in Virginia. So nonetheless, they may put it by design. Absolutely. All right, quick break. We come back. Y'all, I saw this thing on Instagram that just tripped me out.

And if y'all want a good laugh on all these farmers, remember Donald Trump said, oh, yeah, the our people, the blacks. They're going to take these jobs. I try to tell y'all what was going to happen, but wait until we show y'all what these folks actually said, it's going to trip you out. Folks, don't forget support the work that we do right here

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with Dr. Jackie on Black Star Network. Hi, everybody. I'm Kim Coles. Hey, I'm Donnie Simpson. Yo, it's your man, Dionne Cole from Blackish, and you're watching. Roland Martin, unfiltered. Have y'all seen all of these video of these farmers whining and complaining about losing their workers and they're not

being able to pick their crops, well, we tried to tell the people that's going to happen. So somebody posted this video on Instagram, and it actually was for 2012. You know, the last time Donald Trump acted a fool when it came to these farmers, I got a kick out of the answers because it sounds like exactly what the farmers are complaining about today. Check this out, y'all. they think the work is so hard until they just turn around and they up and quit on the farm fields of Alabama the verdict is in the state's tough immigration law just isn't

working out they're putting Alabama back to work in my area experience I've had they ain't too good to what they do Keith Smith says most immigration workers left after the law took effect so this potato farmer hired America Problem is, he says, most show up late, work slower, and are ready to head home after lunch. Some even quit after just one day out in the field. There's a Hispanic man that works for us, and I say, you know, he's 52, and he'll make anywhere from $70 to $100 a day. I said, if you can keep up with him and do a good job, you can make that.

But they just, they're not physically in shape to do it, and, you know, probably not mentally tough enough to do it at some of it. Over on this tomato farm, the story is not much different. The bending over, and if you're not used to working and kneeling down and bending over and constantly up and down all day long is the growing part of it. It really is. I mean, other than that, it's not any harder than anything else you think. With a 9.9 unemployment rate, Alabama is almost 1% higher than the national average.

Tomato farmers say skilled workers can make anywhere from $2 to $300 a day. But unskilled workers make much less. And farmers say many Americans are not physically fit and simply don't work fast enough. It's just going to take body conditioning, mental conditioning, in order to earn enough money to make it worth a day's work. Politicians who support the law say over time more unemployed Americans will fill these jobs. They insist it's still too early to consider the law a failure. Nicole Grether, the Associated Press. See, Joe, the reason I want to run that because I don't know where these people are living.

I mean, this whole idea, I love the story there, but you do a hard work. You got to stand up, bend down, start hard, spinning up. Then one guy talking about, well, you know, if they work hard, they can make $70 to $100 a day. Folk ain't going to do that. And all of these farmers are now realizing all of these idiots who voted for Trump, these farmers all over the place, they now are realizing, oh, damn, what? the hell were we thinking? Yeah, I mean, that's real talk. I mean, there was a time when we picked them fields out like that.

But listen, I'm in Redlands where we've got plenty of citrus farms and, you know, oranges to pick or whatever else. And I ain't seen nary a black person out here picking them. Let's keep it real. Some of us don't do that. We are obese as a society. A lot of people don't have the mental fortitude and the physical fortitude to be out here doing some of the things that immigrants do, whether you're talking about being a farm worker, whether you're talking about construction, you know, those types of things. Even Ronald Reagan, who had a whole lot wrong with him, understood that, which is why he did the biggest amnesty program in the United States history. The problem is going to be, and it started. to be. The Donald Trump is choking the people that support him that are on these farms because

they can't get the workers. Folks aren't going to show up. It's not going to happen. So it's interesting. You know, we've been here before. We've sent people past these hardcore laws. Oh, we just want, you know, you know, non-immigrants. No, no, it's too late. You didn't already build a country on immigrants. If you really want to be honest, then you have to tear down the whole country and start all over. You know, you want to start in the middle of the story. Immigrants built this country. Black folk built this country. Black folk built the White House. Fill in the blank. You can go on and on and on. Now you want to start the middle of the story and do something else. Okay, great. Get somebody to work these fields or literally have your fruit and have your

product die on the vine. That's where we are. It's pretty poignant. It's pretty symbolic of what's going on. Some things are dying on the vine here, both literally and figuratively. I mean, it is stunning to me in a moment we're going to play something Michael it's actually it's coming out of England because now

you see all these white folks now complaining about Muslim immigrants and we're seeing left or right and I'm just sitting here trying to tell these folks what's wrong with y'all like y'all act like

white folks are growing on trees they're not their population is not increasing so where do you think you're going to get folks in the future I just, it's laughful to watch these people who have no understanding of really what's happening in the world. You're right. And I think Mustafa, you and I spoke about this a couple weeks ago when we were on previously,

is that it'll be interesting to see months from now how much they love their president so much that self-preservation is secondary. If they lose their farm, oh, I don't care, I just need to give him a chance. Don't worry, he's going to make it right. We'll see how far that goes when clearly, if you're talking about the state of Alabama, and if those statistics are correct, assuming they are, you know, they're almost a double-digit unemployment. And that means these folks who own these farms are going to be in deep, deep trouble, and it's going to cost us more at the grocery store, because obviously we'll have to find these vegetables and fruits and potatoes. and tomatoes from other places, which means we may even have to import some of these products

that we grow ourselves. So he is just, he's so, he and his folks and the Stephen Miller's of the world are so, as you know, because you've heard me say it several times, there's no one priority is white supremacy. The number one priority is making sure that people of color do not continue to have their foothold in this country. That's, and so if you can obviously, um, get some folks out of the country by deporting them, either legally or illegally, that takes a certain portion away. Then if you can drive some of the richest African American counties in the country and drive folks like that crazy and bankrupt, then maybe you're getting another portion out.

If you start to change the rules relative to hiring, then you can push another segment out. And that also, it doesn't just mean people of color. It means women, too. And that's where some of these natural ally bases need to come together to stop this guy or stop his agenda, which is why the midterm of elections next year is so important. Yeah, I mean, the thing here, Mustafa, and we're seeing this, and I'm linking this because we need to understand what's going on. We talk about white nationalism, white supremacy, all these things are all together. And in the moment, I'm going to show you what happened in England.

And then you've got Congressman Chip Roy, who's acting a fool, losing his mind, complaining about the immigrants of Muslims in England. And so all these things are connected. What is happening is white people worldwide are like, oh, my God, we are really and truly becoming the minority. When you've had a lot of these speakers at that Charlie Kirk Memorial, talking about old Western civilization and how this is being brought back.

What they're really saying is whiteness is coming back. Okay, well, if that's what they want to believe, but that's not what the statistics tell us, we should be very clear about this moment. Not only the racism that you see inside of America, which, of course, has been here since the beginning, but they're also making sure that they are stoking fears across Europe. So this is a very intentional set of actions. People know what they are doing. It is well-funded, and they have an ultimate goal.

But unfortunately, that ultimate goal will actually mean their own destruction. And what I mean by that, when you look at it from an economic lens, right? So we started off this story talking about, you know, how farmers are now being hurt. Well, I mean, hate and racism has a cost, right? So they often think about the cost for folks of color, but it also has a cost. to these individuals who are supporting it through their vote, because, you know, you need, there's a conservative number out there that there are three or four million farm workers who are out there, not farmers, but the farm workers, the individuals who are actually

out there in the fields doing the work, that incredibly difficult work, sometimes in a hundred degree temperatures, being exposed to pesticides, all these other types of things. So there's an impact, of course, to those individuals, but you can't get other people because Americans are not going to stand in a field. And I've been there because I work with farm workers. They're not going to allow pesticides to drift across and they have to breathe those in. Or they're not going to work in fields, you know, for 10 hours and get $7 an hour and not have enough water to drink or enough food to eat. All these different types of dynamics that go on.

So when you see folks stoking these fears, they're not thinking this through because you don't have the individuals, not through birth or through their interest and actually working for minimal amounts of wage. to do this incredibly difficult work. But they fool folks. Wealthy people will fool every day working class folks into hating individuals who are doing the work that no one else wants to do. And that's the dynamic that's currently going on. And that's why we have to continue to put a spotlight

on one, how difficult this work is and how hate ends up coming back around is like a cancer, and it ends up eating up the hosts who thought that they were going to utilize it, to actually, you know, cause pain. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment,

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So we'll see if people wake up. I'm still an optimist. I still hope so. But actions over the last couple of years have left me wondering if my optimism is not well placed. No, you're not waking up. Look, I keep telling y'all what you're seeing here is whiteness left and right.

So check out this. This is a white woman in England who is losing. her mind because of Muslims being in the country. You're in England. It's a Christian country. I don't want to hear anything about the Quran. Oh, Christian here.

And those angels are fortunately each... Yeah, yeah. Indeed, Buddy what you promised is true. Take her away Take her away Take her away Take her away I call for her

Oh Br Well, I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. I'm sorry about that. We do. Just don't go to the world. I mean, he's just sitting up.

I'm sorry. Well, what a bummer. or I ain't got no problem seeing her get arrested. All these people sit, those people on social mayor with no First Amendment, no, first of all, that's in England. So she was accosting them. And this is a Christian nation.

I don't want to hear anything with the Quran. I mean, but with that, you're seeing the same reaction to these folks. He and the United States, here's Texas Congressman, Chip Roy whining, complaining about something on the floor of the House of Congress. Is anybody paying attention to what,

happening in London? I'm going to say it here on the floor of the house and get the scorn of people when I say, you've got a massive Muslim takeover of the United Kingdom going on right before our eyes. See, we say, Chip, well, what is wrong with that? Well, I've got some pretty strong concerns about Sharia law and whether that'll be forced upon the American people, in this case, the people of the United Kingdom. I've got pretty strong concerns about people who want to see Israel's destruction, who were happy about October 7th, who were elected in the United Kingdom.

Some might say that we've seen that here in the United States. What are we going to do about that? We have 51.5 million people who are foreign-born in the United States. They have about 20 to 25 million kids. That puts that well over 20-something percent of our population. It's the highest such number in the history of our country. People say, well, isn't that great? Is it?

Are we teaching people about Western civilization? Are we teaching people about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the rule of law? Are we teaching them Western values? Are we teaching them God exists? Are we teaching them the importance of freedom? Or are we teaching an entire generation or two or three to run around complaining about what's wrong and why the entire world is against them

because of their skin color, their sex, their supposed gender identity, whatever the hell category we create to make people have an excuse for not just stepping up and achieving the American truth. Oh, Joe, he's so concerned about Sharia law, which is not a thing here. but they have no problem forcing their white Christian nationalist views on other Americans.

You want freedom, but you're okay with your guy smashing the Constitution, throwing it away, getting rid of due process, undermining the Constitution at every turn, less freedom, less, say, more government control when you used to be anti-government. And, you know, it's crazy all this talking out of both sides of your mouth. And it's interesting that you're worried about Britain, worried about London, England. So, I mean, that doesn't have anything to do with us? Not a thing. I'm still waiting on what the connection is there.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, you act like you're worried about freedom going away when your guy's taking freedom. But, of course, you're fine with it as long as it contributes to your narrative. you know, you talk about God, but you only talk about it your way. You know, he's from Texas, so he's probably real excited. Everybody's going to start living right because they got the ten, they got the ten commandments on the door. But, you know, if they really understood what was what, they could put the two commandments on the door from the New Testament and have it and have it happen faster. But in the event, we can go on and on. But the fact of the matter is, there's this irony here because even if you disagree with Republicans back of the day,

and when they talked about freedom, though, they were talking about. you know, states' rights. They were talking about the government staying out of the way. The government is more involved. The government is more all-encompassing and will continue to become so under Donald Trump. And on top of everything else, it's being used to exact revenge. It's being used to force agendas. And it is a steamroll that is okay with undermining the Constitution, throwing as much stuff as possible up against the wall. And even 20, even 20 to 30 percent of it lands. and not the rest, the impact will still be devastating because it's so much easier to take a hammer to something

and to destroy it than it is to build it back up. It's just hypocrisy all the way around. Yeah, I just, it's just to watch this, and I'm telling you, I've been saying this repeatedly, Mustafa, people need to be prepared for this. This was the basis of my book, White Fear, how the Browning of America's making white folks lose their minds. This is a part of this.

These people are going to grow more fanatical, as the numbers increase, if their numbers decrease, it's going to get worse. I mean, unfortunately, that's probably true. If folks were better humans, if they loved each other, you wouldn't have to worry about it, right? If you hadn't done oppression, because I think there's some fear out there about the oppression that has been a part of this country's history. And because of that, they saw how they treated others who were black and brown and indigenous and Asian and Pacific Islander, we can go on and on, and how, you know, they were treated.

So their fear is that once this country becomes a browner country, that those types of things will, you know, flip and that they will have to deal with it. But, you know, that has never been for folks of color, how they got down. And, you know, they should be more focused on all these other external stressors that are going on. You know, you have China and other countries that, you know, they say. sit back and they watch these types of actions and they say, yeah, go ahead and continue to deconstruct, go ahead and continue to fall apart and not do what's necessary to strengthen your

country. That's what they should be focused on saying, how do we make our folks who live in this country as strong as possible? How do we make sure that they are well educated? How do we make sure that they have the things that they need? But that's not a part of the equation because they don't look at it through an abundance lens. They look at it through a lens of there's only so much and we need to hoard it, which is a failing proposition to begin with. But it is what it is. Their fear is driving many of these sets of actions. They're trying to inflict that fear and they're trying to actually make that fear become

just a part of the narrative everywhere so they can get more people to believe into it. But we've seen whether it's in Germany with Nazism or a number of other locations where you've got these authoritarian types of regimes, that that's how they thrive. That's how they got traction, and then that's how they became the individuals that we now look at through history and say, how did that happen? It is unbelievable to me to watch these folks and to watch what they're doing, Michael. And check this out. So, Ryan Walters, he is the superintendent of schools in Oklahoma. He just put out this video.

And this ties directly into the white Christian National. listen, we have been talking about checking. I'm excited to announce today that every Oklahoma high school will have a Turning Point USA chapter. We have seen the outpouring from parents, teachers, and students that want to be engaged in a meaningful work going on at Turning Point. They want their young people to be engaged in a process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialogue about American greatness, a dialogue around American values. We're so excited to partner with Turning Point USA with this initiative.

For far too long, we have seen radical leftists with the teachers' union dominate classrooms and push woke indoctrination on our kids. They fight parents' rights. They push parents out of the classroom, and they lie to our kids about American history. What we're going to continue to do is make sure that our kids understand American greatness, engage in civic dialogue, and have that open discussion. We will continue to do all that we can to make sure Oklahoma students have the best education possible.

So, Michael, they're going to mandate a turning point of USA chapter every high school. Let me close those black high schools. You have a legislator in Oklahoma who also put forth a bill to require every state university in Oklahoma erect. a Charlie Kirk Memorial Plaza. I imagine you'll see that, possibly,

in other red states around the country. I, in particular, obviously, ones that are particularly dominated by Republican elected officials. I certainly think that's possible. We might as well get used to seeing that come around. And coupling that with what we were discussing. a second ago, I think it was Mustafa that was talking from your question, Roland. And certainly, at a risk of giving your book, White Fear, a plug.

You know, it all started back on the plantation when the families, the enslavers, were concerned that the slaves would band together and rise up against them because there were more slaves than there were family members in the house. But they had the weapons, obviously. They had the law behind them. So when Reverend Nat Turner flipped the script a little bit and did what he did with his movement, that's the concern leapfrogging 100 and whatever it is, 68 years from then to now, the concern is, back to the Browning of America, are they going to then do to us what we did to that?

and that's a legitimate fear we don't see it that way relative to retribution I know some people do but most because the rally is we are far more forgiving than they are

it's not look after Mother Emmanuel how many folks were sitting were forgiving Dylan and Roof after what he did gunning nine black people down they're not forgiving so that's what's what's all about

so again what the sphere is they want to, they see what's going on, they see their numbers dwindling, they see what's happening, and so what they want to do is cement white Christian nationalism in every sector of our community. That is why that's the attacks against DEI, the attacks again Black Lives Matter, the attacks when it comes. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos.

Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith.

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of these other states, given any kind of quarter to folks or let's be reasonable and let's let folks have what they need. But if they're going to be preaching white supremacy and direct racist language and rhetoric, then you have to stand up again, yes. Do they have the First Amendment right to say what they want? Of course, they do. Did Mr. Kirk have that right? Of course he did. just as people have the right to disagree, or bring up videos of things that Mr. Kirk said that were absolutely flat-out racist. Now, you know, folks can debate it and get mad at folks and bring those kind of things up, but it's true. And so what do you do with that? Yes. Did he have a right to say it? Absolutely he did. Did people have the right to challenge him? Absolutely they do.

Did he deserve to get murdered? No, he did not. So all those things can be true, but that's also where others have to step up and say, no, you're not going to take books about black history off of our shelves. No, we're not going to take books off our shelves. It may offend you. Then you know what? Don't read it. Don't take it off the shelf. Other people may.

So those are some of those cultural things that they have baited the Democratic Party in because we get caught off on these other. going down the rabbit holes on these cultural fights and forgetting about the policy stuff that also matters. I'm not saying don't fight the cultural things. You absolutely have to. But that shouldn't be your only fight during a campaign. You also have to talk about policy that changes people's lives and improves it.

But the reality is the cultural battles are there, Mustafa, and at the end of the day, you're going to have to deal with it. Yeah, you are. And you have to deal with it through the civic process, which is incredibly important. You've got to vote. You've got to make sure that you're thinking through who you're giving your vote to. You've got to make sure that resources are going to the places and spaces that need them the most.

All these different types of things. And, you know, when they have this conversation about American exceptionalism, I'm like, what could be more exceptional than looking at all the amazing things that indigenous and black folks have done inside of this country? So if you truly wanted to have a conversation about the greatness of America, then it has to start with the communities who had all these hurdles that they had to deal with and still were able to do amazing things. So that's, for me, that is the narrative that's there. We've got to continue to bring that forward, but we've also got to continue to be very clear about the fights that have to happen and what are the tools that you have to be able to address, not just these egregious actions. but how do we really make sure that this country becomes a 21st century country? I had a conversation earlier today and said it really looks more like a 19th or 20th century country right now based upon how we're moving.

So if we're serious about the future, then the work that we're talking about right now is incredibly important. And that means that we're going to have to sacrifice. That means that we have to get focused. That means that we have to build real community. And at the end of the day, we've got to make sure that we're utilizing our work. vote in a way that helps to make positive change happen. All right then. Mustafa, Joe, Michael.

I certainly appreciate y'all be on today's panel. Gentlemen, thank you so very much. Folks, when we come back, we're going to talk with a book author regarding the role of her family play in the Building of America, the Architecture of America. We'll talk about the black family who built America next right here. Rolla Martin Unfilts on the Black Star Network. In the next hour, we'll also talk with another book author

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Making your faith work for you that's right here on Get Wealthy, only on Black Star Network. Hatred on the streets, a horrific scene, a white nationalist rally that descended into deadly violence. On that soil, you will not. White people are losing their damn minds. There's an angry pro-Trump storm to the U.S. Capitol. We're about to see the rise of what I call white minority resistance. We have seen white folks in this country who simply cannot tolerate black folks voting. I think what we're seeing is the inevitable result of violent denial.

This is part of American history. Every time that people of color have made progress, whether real or symbolic, there has been what Carol Anderson that every university calls white rage as a backlash. This is the rise of the proud boys and the boogaloo boys, America, there's going to be more of this. There's all the proud boys die. This country is getting increasingly racist in its behaviors and its attitudes

because of the fear of white people. The fear that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're taking our women. This is white fear. Hi, my name is Brady Ricks. My name is Sharon Williams. I'm from Dallas, Texas.

Right now, I'm rolling with Roland Martin, unfiltered, uncut, unplug, and undam-believable. You hear me? Folks, we're talking a lot of books of the show. We talk a lot of books on the show. We talk all the time about, of course, the history of this country, who built this country, how we even got here. And all too often, stories are not been told properly. We talk about all the time about his story

compared to actual history. And so my next guest is the author of a book that really is important that tells a story that many people are not aware of. It is called the Black Family Who Built America. The McKissick's Two Centries of Daring Pioneers. The book is by Cheryl McKissick-Daniel along with Nick Childs.

Glad to have you in the studio. How you doing? I'm great. How are you? Oh, good. So first and foremost, so when we say the black people who built America, how so? Because there's a difference between that, as that History Channel series, the men who built America and it's about all the Carnegie's and Vanderville and Rockefeller and those folks as well. But y'all are talking about literally buildings, building America.

Yes. Well, the story is about the McKissick family, but also, represents black people in general who took hand in building this nation for many, many years. You know, people walk into structures every single day where there's, you know, the stadium, the African-American Museum, whatever, and they never say, well, who built this? Well, a lot of times, you know, it could be a black person, kind of like the hidden figures of construction. And so our book talks about our family who's been building.

in this country for 230 years. But there were also other black people who were building. Well, when we talk about building for Royal Rogers, she is the wife of Jonathan Rogers, he was our founding COATV-1, and she did a documentary on Paul Williams. Oh, yeah. And, of course, many of these Hollywood homes

and also other buildings as well. And it took a very long time for that documentary to actually be told. And that's the thing. And so you have stories like this that are not well known. You see these other stories. You've seen stories and movies and things like those lines. And there are other white architects

that people can just roll off the tongue because those stories are often told. They're talked about. And they're considered to be these great pioneers, but in nearly all the cases, they ain't black. Well, some of them are, and now those stories are coming out. And that's why this story about our family is so important now. You say it was like two and 30 years.

Yes. Where did it start? So it goes back to the first descendant of our family, Moses McKizek, the first, who came here as a slave and was taught the trade of making bricks. His son, Moses McKizek, the second, was a brickmaker and a master carpenter. He incorporated us right after emancipation with the McKissick Contracting Company in Pulaski, Tennessee,

which, of course, that's where the Ku Klux Klan started, which is kind of a backdrop of what he was dealing with when he incorporated our company back in the 1800s. Moses McKisick, the second, his son, was the first black licensed architect in America with his brother Calvin McKissick would license 117 and 118 in the state of Tennessee, and they moved our business to Nashville, Tennessee.

And then my father took over as the fourth generation of McKissick, and then my mother stepped in when my father became ill, and then I took the company over from her. And so I am fifth generation in this business. And what you laid out there as you were talking, I thought about so many black-owned businesses that did not go from first to fifth, where many of them end after one generation.

And if they did survive one generation, they definitely didn't survive a second generation. And so what was it that allowed this to continue? You make a great point there because there are some statistics that aren't in our favor, so we've overcome the whole lot. I mean, 40% of businesses make it to the second generation,

18% to the third, and three to the fourth, and here we sit as the fifth generation. And Nick and I, in this book, we make a case as to how the McKinnisks were able to persevere through all that was happening. I mean, they went through Slaively, Jim Crowell, you know, racist deep south. And so some of the history that,

surprised me in here in our book was around how slaves were treated different in each state. And the McKizzicks were in North Carolina where the slaves, there were fewer slaves on, slave masters probably had less slaves

than, you know, 500, 300 slaves and a white family of five. Moses McKissick was in a situation where there were 10 to 12 slaves. And so they were more like extended extended help, extended family, and they were treated differently.

So was it necessarily like others where they had hundreds where it was a business? That was the agriculture business. Exactly. They were artisans. So, you know, they were builders and the slave master was a builder. So they were

helping hands to build whatever the master wanted to build. So they were taught how to build back then. And so So what they brought to the table, the value they brought to the table, was important at that time. I mean, you know, people were beginning to build new homes. They were leaving the law cabin-type homes and going to more of the stone structures.

And so, and the country economically was beginning to do better. And so you had wealthier people who wanted to build stately homes, which McKizzix built. In Spring Hill, Tennessee, you can see the McKinn. home, the Cheers home, the Maxwell House home, which is the Maxwell House coffee. And you can go a strip of a street of these beautiful homes that they were building at that time. So their craft was something that was needed.

But the continuation, I think, is important because what often happens is that next generation has other pursuits. And, oh, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I mean, there's so many kids who want to run away from the family business. Yeah.

And so, so what was it? Was it literally, no, this is what you're going to do? And because, I mean, other families have done that. Well, no, you're going to, you are going to study this. You are going to work this. You are going to continue this. Or was it a matter of just as each generation, that was just what the decision was?

Yeah, I think there are several factors in that, and one is one of the other options, right? So Moses McKinnock, the first, passed the trade down to Moses McKinick, the second, which he was able to expand upon. So with each generation, there was more education. They enhanced their trade. So then Moses McKizek, the third, he became an architect. By the time I came along, my father was, you know, you can go to school you want to, but I'm only paying for Howard University. and you're going to get an engineering degree. So he established the school and the major.

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We were at a private white school And everybody was going to Ivy League schools Even our black friends were going to Harvard Brown That's what we wanted to do You know we wanted to go to Columbia We wanted to do those things So you wanted to go to the Ivy League

But what did you want to study What did we? We probably still wanted to At least I wanted to study Architecture or engineering or business Got it because I grew up working in the business. I mean, at early ages, I was in the office on Saturdays, walking to construction sites.

You know, we were trained that way at an early age. But I didn't necessarily want to go to Howard. But once I got to Howard, it was the best thing that ever happened to me. And, you know, I'm excited at a lot more. But then again, you couldn't, if you went somewhere else, you had to pay for it. I'd have to pay for it. He wasn't playing about that.

Tom Joyner, the same thing. Tom Jones told us, he's like, Y'all can go anywhere, but it has to be an HBCU, or I ain't paying for it. Exactly, exactly. And so now today, you know, my two children, one went to George Washington, and the other one went to Pratt. You know, I took them to Howard's campus, tried to talk them into it. It wasn't happening.

But you didn't make it on demand. I know. See, that's what you messed up. See, your dad figured it out. Your dad figured it out. You can't, like, not make a demand. you gotta say I ain't supporting nothing

you ain't getting no money you're gonna be 100% on your own you figure it out see I wish I could put the toothpaste back into the see that's the problem is the next generation y'all go soft see that's the problem see you guys are hardcore no we're not

all right well are they are they least studying architecture engineering or they no they didn't but they're in the business and you know I remember I rebelled against a business Once I graduated from Howard, I didn't want to work for the family business. So I moved to New York.

I didn't want to go to Nashville, and, you know, I wanted to go into a corporation that was much bigger. There was this allure. See, no, no, no, but that has to be explained because that literally is what happens all the time. I don't care what the business is. I don't care if it's a catering business, if a grocery store business or whatever, that next generation, you know, in many ways,

we're looking down on it, thinking that that's not big enough, it's not, it's not glitzy, it's not, it's, you know, what my friends are going to say, they're doing these things. And your peers look down on it too. I mean, I write about that in my book,

that, you know, my friends were going to work on Wall Street. and here I am, got a consideration to go back to Nashville to work in a family business. But the thing, though, but with that, but at what point did it hit you that, okay, sure, they're going these places, but we are owners? Well, you begin to see that there's a glass ceiling,

that everybody in leadership does not look like you, and you know at some point you know they're going to get rid of you because you're not tall enough you're not white enough you're not this you're not that and so you begin to realize that if you own your own

you really have control over your destiny and to me that's what hit me now it's not like y'all were small business I mean it's not like y'all a mom and pop business no we weren't a grocery store we were architects and we were builders and we had established ourselves four generations but my mother stepped in she called my boss she told my boss i was quitting that day and then she called me and told me i quit so again it was a

little bit of force there now which done which job was that when i was working for turner construction which is probably the largest contract so wait wait wait a wait hold up hold up so you you ain't going to want to go work in the family business then you go work for a construction business which is really closely tied to the family business, and then what? You were frustrated by what was happening there? Well, I could see what was happening there, but I liked it there because it was learning ground for me.

I was learning much more. You know, I was working on huge projects in Manhattan. Right. And that right there, you know, taught me a lot. But then my mother decided she needed my help, and, you know, time was up. So wait a minute. Time for me to go back to Nashville.

Mama called the boss? Yes. Did you know Mama was calling the boss? No. I did not know. And then she called me and said, you quit today. Your mama calls the boss, says, hey, she leaving.

That's right. Then she calls you, say, hey, by the way, I told your boss you're leaving, so you ain't got no choice but to come. That's it. And then I said, oh, my God, Mom, I'm scared of him. And she said, oh, he's a nice, man. We had a great

conversation. Now, you should have been scared of her for calling your boss and you didn't know saying she leaving a job that you had no plans on leaving. No plans. And that next week, I started commuting to Nashville.

But do you believe that whether it was the Ivy League schools or the glitzy jobs? Do you believe some of that was white validation? And I'm asking for a reason because I've talked to, I mean, I've interviewed so many different people and I've seen so many different stories. And what has been consistent is that even with our businesses, when I go back to the whole looking down on it, you have black children who, oh, that's less than versus that.

whether it's school or whether it's the business and that that that that that thing is real that thing is real that what is ours I was literally having a did an interview today and I was telling someone that the power of white supremacy is so deep that the moment we say something is black black school black on business many of us automatically go straight to its second class Well, I've lived that I've been running a black business now for over 30 years so I've lived that I've had to hire people, I've had to go for projects I've had to represent and I get that I still get that how do you

what do you say to the folk who you do employ who bring that mentality who come into the door and you know they are moving in acting in a way that they would never do if that was a white company. So that has happened to us several times that we have gone out for senior leaders and we've used large search firms to bring them in and they're white.

They come in like they're the great hope. They come in as though they have the best ideas. They want to rearrange and change everything that we're doing, especially our culture. and it has not worked for us. We've rejected those people. And so now at McKiswick, because we're in the middle of succession planning, we are appointing a whole new leadership in January,

we are now appointing people that have been with us for 18, 20 years who happen to be black, who understand our culture, who appreciate what they've learned at McKissick, who have seen us grow, and we're part of that growth over the last, 20 years. But yes, of course.

Now, those are white staffers. How did you deal when you had black folks who thought that way? Because when I was at TV1, we would often have, I mean, we might be in meetings or whatever, and I had some staffers that, well, you know, we are a black network. And I literally say it, if I hear any of y'all said again, you're fired. You will, you will not work a on this show if that's your mentality because I know exactly what that phrase means

and I say it I will fire you if you ever say that again yeah I've seen it more with our black clients who think the other ice is colder yes

I've seen it with black clients black institutions where they hire white contractors and then bring us in underneath Right. Right.

You know, now they're concerned that they only have 2% black subcontractors on the job. So they bring us in to fix that, and because the community now is talking about them. Right. But it's late. It's too late. I get that, I see that much more. Now, have you, now, because I know how I roll, now, do you bite your tongue or have you pulled some folks coat tails? I do not bite my tongue.

I engage my tongue. engage my consultants to write letters, and then I don't contribute to their gala's and events ever again. Because these are some of the prominent black institutions in New York that I'm just shocked that they would even consider a black firm. Now, have any of those folks hit you as like, sure what's going on, you're not contributing? And do you then say, explain to you why?

They know why, but I have had opportunities later on to explain because they find themselves in trouble. They hired the white firm that had the front as a sub and now they're on the front page of the New York Times. Okay, and I run into them later and I'm like, you see, that's what you get. That's what you get. See, the reason I think this is so important because when we talk about

building capacity building scale earlier you were talking about that glass ceiling well there are black institutions that contribute to that for black owned businesses and I've seen this in

in so many different areas I've seen this there are black organizations civil rights organizations that literally hire white PR firms see that's what I want to say oh I ain't got a problem saying it so I just let's just be real

I ain't got a problem saying it. I mean, that was a white PR firm, the NWACP hire for the Image Awards, who had no idea who these black celebrities were. So they were literally turning people away on the red carpet. And there was black publicists going, hey,

that's so-and-so, from so-and-so's show, they literally had no idea. And what the black publicists were saying was, okay, you're paying top dollar for that white PR firm, because you think that they can get you coverage in mainstream media, and we know the retainers they pay,

how is that you are not having a black PR agency as your lead? Of the NAACP Image Awards. Exactly. That's crazy. It was refreshing to walk in here and see all the black people working. You see my PR consultant. You see my photographer, my glam team. I get it, and I'm 100% behind the fact that it's an ecosystem.

We have to work together. And, you know, it comes together beautifully when we own and we believe that. Let's take Terminal 1 in JFK, where Magic Johnson and Jim Reynolds and Loop Capital are owners. The first thing they did is they brought me in. Then they said, you know, now you've got to take it all the way down. You've got to hire black architects, black engineers, black contractors. We're now at $1.5 billion in spin with minority businesses. But it started at the top.

And so that mentality is one that we have to have. You know, it's about black economic empowerment, and we should be able to do it by ourselves. When we talk about building, we're talking about whether we're talking about, I mean, any project. What happened? when, well, no, but not them.

Have there been situations where internally y'all said I think that's too big for us? Or has it always been no, there's nothing too big for us? No, there have been projects that

are too big for us. But, let's take Megger Everett's College in Brooklyn. Back in early 2000s, President Edison O. Jackson, he was determined to have a black

firm build his campus. So we went to our partners and, you know, we asked them to joint venture with us and to be a backstop for us. And that's the way you do that. You build partnership. We did that with Bruce Ratner for the Barclay

Arena. We worked with Turner Construction. And so, no, there's a way to do it. So something happens. We're not going to go and take a job that we cannot successfully complete. We don't have one of those in our portfolio. Right.

So the point there is you make an assessment of a particular job and you say, we're big enough to do this on our own. Yeah. But if it is a job that is bigger than your capacity, you don't walk away from it. What you say is, okay, who can we partner with? Right. See, the reason I think the reason I have to ask the question because that's the mistake that a lot of people make.

First of all, they want a job, they want the bigger contract, but if you do not have the capacity for that contract and then you get it, you actually end up hurting yourself because you can't do the high quality job and then that word spreads around and you're trying to get to this level, and it may actually knock you lower than where you are right now. It'll take you out. Right. In our business, it could take you out. But the large firms do that.

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And so we've been successful at doing that over the years, but we have to educate our client that that's possible. Right. Because the client right away says, oh, it's too big for McKizek. Right. Let's go get the larger firm. And you're like, hey, hey, hold on, don't, don't play baseball. Right.

Let me make that decision. Right. You said y'all started the new transition in January. Will that be the sixth generation? No, it'll just be a great man. management team that has been with us for a very long time. And why is that? Because I'm looking at succession.

I've been working on succession planning for several years now. And by 2030, I'd like to cut back on my hours in the office. And so I want to start the succession now. And I'll have five years to see it through. I feel succession planning is missing in a lot of family. So there were no family members. who you said can run this business?

Not now. No. No. Now that's not an easy decision. No, but you know, when you talk about succession planning, it's the management side and then it's the ownership side.

So I'm looking at how to deal with the ownership side with actual family members and probably some of my staff members. Because that, listen, the thing that even part of that. I was in this debate with somebody and we were talking, I'm not going to name the individual

we were discussing. But what I said to him, and he couldn't believe it, I said to him, I said, I don't measure great black business founders or owners by how they succeeded and ran their business. I said, I called them great based upon how they left it. And he was like, I'm not understanding. So then when I explained to him this particular business,

how it was left when the founder passed away, I said, that's why I can't call this person a great businessman. I said he was a good businessman. It was great while he lived. I said, but those who are great is that they properly position the business to succeed without them and they made those succession plans

very clear and so that's whether it's a pastor of a church, whether it's a business owner that is a huge A politician. Yeah, say politician as well. But that is a huge part of legacy that you are thinking about that and it's not just solely about me, myself, or not.

No, no. I feel it's uncomfortable on me to to get in the right management team to carry this business forward without me. And to grow it. You know, it shouldn't just be on my shoulder. And so I've been working at that for a while. And, you know, I had to take a sabbatical this year

for a couple years. So the management team that I'm putting in place actually start running the company back in February. And we just kept it going. As you know, I'm on a book tour. Well, somebody got to do some business. work. Somebody's got up here to work.

Last question, I asked all book authors this, and that is in the writing of the book and doing the research, what was your wild moment? Was there something that you remembered, or was there something about the research that caused you to go, wow, that was unbelievable, that's crazy.

There's a whole chapter on birth of a nation. The movie? The movie. Got it. And, you know, what does that have to do with construction, but it has a lot to do with all black businesses at that time

because that was when black businesses who had white patrons had to shift to only have black patrons because at that point, you know, just that imagery alone

made white people not want to go to black businesses anymore. And, you know, not only not go to them, just out and out kill us too. Because if you were white and you hated us, this just gave you the license to go ahead and kill. Yeah, Julian Malvo

talks about that. In her research, she said, a lot of people understand, a lot of the lynchings were not tied to some white man speaking to a white person, whatever. It was the jealousy of the success of black women. It was jealousy. That's the root of it. You know, it's the

brokenness of those people that couldn't deal with black people succeeding. It just left us alone. You segregated. You did everything, had folk enslaved and all of that, and now you're mad because despite all of that, we still succeed. We still rise. Right. We're rooted and we still rise.

Right. Well, some things change, some stay the same. Y'all, the book is The Black Family Who Built America, The McKissick's Two Citrus of Daring Pioneers, Sheriff McKissick Daniel, with Nick Childs. Get the book, folks. Y'all know how we believe about history versus history. story. And so that is critically important. And so again, Cheryl, we appreciate it. Thanks a lot.

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of the fear of white people. The fear that they're taking our jobs, they're taking our resources, they're taking our women. This is white people. In my book, The Power to Persist, I share. my book, The Power to Persist, I share eight simple yet powerful habits, a blueprint for transforming obstacles into opportunities and pressure into purpose, just as they fueled my rise from the south side of Chicago to a national stage. And on the Power to Persist podcast, I bring that blueprint

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They're scared. Well, my next author talks about the power of resilience. What does it mean to actually look at your upbringing and then how do you actually overcome all of that to live the dream that you want to live? The book is called Eight Simple Habits to Build Lifelong Resilience. First of all, it's called The Power to Persist, Eight Simple Habits to Build Lifelong Resilience.

Lemuel D. McMorris is the author of the book. Johns and Right Now. How you doing, Frat? All good, all good. I was, I chatted with someone, I did the interview today. Okay. And a brother, we did the interview. It was a great interview.

He was asking me about the show, how do we start the show, how we start the network, and what do we have to deal with? And he asked me about fear. And I told him, I said, I said, well, I wasn't scared. I said, I wasn't scared because I said, I wasn't focused on content. I said, I was focused on the business of the business. I said, how do you generate money? How do you build that?

And he was very surprised by that. And I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one. We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized?

I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith. But there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you death and analysis from a unique Latino perspective. There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public.

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I think for a lot of people, we talk about, we talk about becoming an entrepreneur, becoming a business owner. They are fearful, and I believe they're fearful because of what they don't know, and they have to take the time to study, to focus, to understand the business of the business, and then go from there.

I think fear is, by the way, first of all, thank you for having me. I appreciate our friendship. This actually is part of what means to build a business when people like you give folks like me an opportunity to not just tell our stories but to talk about our work and our business so thank you appreciate kudos to you for the for the platform fear is actually fuel it actually becomes part of the energy did i wake up this morning as an entrepreneur and a business owner worrying about bills how it's going to pay people

how i'm going to absolutely but you don't let that consume you you you actually let that be the fuel that makes you go get it, that makes you go work, that makes you go propel. You don't get caught up in the fear. I describe Rowland an entrepreneur as someone who goes on top of this nice, fancy building, jumps off, and then figures out what's going to happen on the way down. You jump. You take the leap. But staying in business, building a business is what helps you on the way down,

figure out how to stay in business. But the fear also for me, again, we talk about the idea. of resilience. You're going to face that. You're going to fail. It's going to happen. You're going to have hardships. And that, to me, it ain't simple.

And so why I tell folks is that's actually what you have to fortify yourself. How do you prepare yourself every day for that letdown when that contract didn't come through it, man, you were banking on that. But you already had dreams of what you were going to get, what you were going to do. And then now you're depressed and tired. It's like, okay, well, no, now that's done. Now I've got to go to the next thing. And that to me is also the difference between the folk who we talk about today

who are highly successful and those who are not because they understood I can't let that small setback keep me from trying to get to my dreams. So I mentioned it in the book. I think you know my relationship with Reverend Jesse Jackson, Sr. And he has this saying that, look, if you knock me down right now, that's on you. If you come back next week and I'm still down, that's on me. As someone whose business partner walked out, I've been fired, it is at that moment where you have to figure out who you are, you have to figure out whose you are, and you have to come up

with a plan. In the book, the habits I talk about are being vulnerable, being agile, when the door. closes, how do you maneuver, how do you navigate, to start something new, to reinvent yourself. We talk about this dogged determination when I think about Roland Martin and all that he's been through to start up this network that has 1.5 million, but coming from being other situations where that didn't work out so well, we don't stop. We just keep going until we figure out and until we reach the goals we set until we succeed. See, you have these points. And your chapter three is work ethic.

I just simply believe, out of all of them, that is the most important. And the reason I, because when people, when young people come in me and they say, oh, if there's one thing, what piece of a heist could you give me or to these students or whatever and to be a great journal?

I said, what I'm about to tell you applies to any job you're going to. I said, you've got to have work ethic. No doubt about it. Dionne Sanders says, I need those folks who got some dog in. That's right. He does say. And the thing for me is that that's what drives me crazy.

People who work for me, people who've interned for me. It drives me crazy. I don't care if you've been in this business three days, three years, or 30 years. I got to see work ethic. I got to see you give a damn. and you come in here early and you're putting in the time and you're learning new stuff

and you're not just relying on somebody else that you're like, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna stay on top of what's happening in the business. To me, that's what separates. No, no doubt about it. So the journey, by the way, today we are very excited about the fact that, you know,

as a first time author, book coming out today for the first time, September 23rd, we're already an Amazon bestseller, right? But I mentioned that because we're proud, but, you know, my publisher may get mad at me. You know, when you engage in this process, the publisher has, you know, their plan. Right. Right. But then LaMelle, the author, has to have his plan.

Right. And so you kick in and you do the extra work, you go beyond. And I think part of what we've been able to do, and I talk about Network is one of the habits of being resilient in the book. You know, I've gone beyond above and beyond. And God, it's now paying off. I'm convinced, Roland, that there are people that are smarter than you and I, there are people that are taller than you and I,

there are people that look better than you and I, but I don't think anybody is gonna outwork us. And that's the difference. You gotta lean in to your strength and what you can do best. And the work ethic also, it means that it also is tied to the business. I got stopped me and he said man you you carry your own stuff yeah oh yeah you don't have

you don't have somebody who do does this stuff oh yeah you talk about somebody who didn't want to open their mail yeah and I'm like yeah what I said first I said here's what you understand I said why am I said let's run the numbers yeah I said it takes me 15 minutes to set my stuff up. Why am I going to pay somebody a full day rate, a airline ticket,

a hotel, a per diem to do what I can literally set up in 15 minutes? I said, that's a dumb business move. Well, you know this, because first of all, servants of all, you know, we shall

transcend all. It's hard to lead from behind. That's for all of your Obegas, Capras, Iotas, and Sigmas. There's two of them in that control room. They know. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to leave from behind. And that Delta, too.

Yeah, you know. Yeah. And I think that the first step towards leadership is to first be a good servant. You know, Dr. King said that everyone can leave because everyone can serve. Right. You don't have to have a college degree. You don't have to have your peace. You don't have to understand.

Or you don't have to have a title. You don't have to have a title. And what people don't recognize is, you know, everybody sees, and this is what I love about being here in your studio. Everybody sees the glory. Everybody sees the results, but people don't focus on the story. The story, what people don't see you do carrying your own stuff. I've been with you carrying your own stuff, setting up your own equipment.

You can't get to the, you can't skip over the story. You cannot skip over the work part in order to get to this part. You grew up in Chicago. Southside of Chicago. What did you see, or did someone else see what you're doing now and said, no, this is what you're going to do? It's a combination of both. I'm clearly the result of a lot of people pouring in to me, my mom, my family, mentors, et cetera. But, you know, there's an old gospel song that I really didn't understand until later in life, and it says something within me.

All I know is I thank God for whatever that something is. As a kid who grew up on 66th of Cottage Grove in Woodlawn, I was always attracted to politics. You know, Chicago's a very political place, but I was the kid who could tell you, even as a child, who the alderman was, who the mayor was, whom I remember of Congress was, I knew the president's name, the vice versa.

And so that seed was planted in the shadow of Harold Washington becoming the first black mayor of Chicago, Now, why was that planning? Were your mother, were your folks involved in the campaign? No. Was it watching television? I was attracted. I was always that kid at the table with adults making decisions about public policy stuff.

I was the current events, perfect exam. And you know, in the book, and I tell people, there's a line from our childhood. It may not necessarily be straight, but there's a line from 66 and everything I was there into being here in the Capitol in Washington D.S. see with you and all that I've done. And I've just tried to be as faithful as possible to that line, to that seed, to that thing that I cannot explain that has been in me since a kid.

Fostered and facilitated by family, by church, by mentors, but it was something that unexplainable that put this in me that makes me who I am today. Through the habits, through work ethic, through determination, through school, absolutely, you have to put in the work, but it's also that intangible that I think has always been there. Earlier you talked about

working with River and Jesse Jackson Senior and you had other opportunities. Yes. Who will be 84 as a matter of fact in about a week and a half. Absolutely. When did you know, or what was it, walk people through

when you knew whatever the job was, it was time to go. Because see, that to me is also another hard thing for people who want to fulfill dreams because I go back to fear and what am I going to get paid

what's going to happen or whatever the heck not realizing that you have to know you have to know when it's time to go I've never told this publicly so kudos to you for getting it out of me and what a phenomenal question

I was you know when you travel with Reverend And at the time I did, so for everyone, I was Reverend Jackson's body man. So what Reggie Love was to Obama, that's what I was to Reverend Jackson at the height of his prominence and stature, going to the White House.

I've stayed in hotels I never dreamed of, traveled in ways that I've never dreamed of. And so it was one a case. Because people have no idea, especially out of the country. Reverend Jackson is seen as a diplomatic figure. I mean, there are motorcades. People don't understand how he's received around the world. No, no, no.

We're down the street right now in your studio from the White House. I remember being able to drive, he would. Not everyone. He could drive, we would drive the car directly up to the front door to be able to see the nation and the world, to your point, through Reverend Jackson's eyes, it's immeasurable what that has done for me. But I remember we would get on private planes a lot.

You know, occasions people would let us. used their plane and that's how we would have to travel because we would be in five, 10 cities you know, in 24 hours. On this one occasion, we got on a private plane and I looked around and it finally hit me and I said, how do I get one of these?

And that was it. When I determined that, you know, I could stay with Reverend Jackson for years and boy, it's comfortable, boy, I'm getting all kind of access, but how do I figure out how to be still true to what I've been called to do, but achieve some of these goals on my own. And that's when I knew it was time.

So when you asked that question, that's when you said... But I asked that question to myself. I got on that plane, and I looked around and I said, you know, this is great. And we ride on a lot of these. But how do I get one of these for myself? And boom. I knew that at that point it was time for me to transition from that role.

And so in doing so, some may have said, man, you're crazy. What are you doing? Some of my family members, I remember going home and sitting on the porch on the south side of Chicago with one of my cousins. She's going to probably freak out if she hears this. I'm Jorge Ramos. And I'm Paola Ramos. Together we're launching The Moment, a new podcast about what it means to live through a time, as uncertain as this one.

We sit down with politicians. I would be the first immigrant mayor in generations, but 40% of New Yorkers were born outside of this country. Artists and activists, I mean, do you ever feel demoralized? I might personally lose hope. This individual might lose the faith, but there's an institution that doesn't lose faith. And that's what I believe in. To bring you depth and analysis from a unique Latino perspective.

There's not a single day that Paola and I don't call or text each other, sharing news and thoughts about what's happening in the country. This new podcast will be a way to make that ongoing intergenerational conversation public. Listen to The Moment with Jorge Ramos and Paolo. as part of the MyCultura Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. When your car is making a strange noise, no matter what it is, you can't just pretend it's not happening.

That's an interesting sound. It's like your mental health. If you're struggling and feeling overwhelmed, it's important to do something about it. It can be as simple as talking to someone, or just taking a deep, calming breath to ground yourself. Because once you start to address the problem, You can go so much further.

The Huntsman Mental Health Institute and the Ad Council have resources available for you at love your mind today.org. The NFL is rolling. That's right, and you should be listening to NFL Daily as we march along to Super Bowl 60. This is a show for sickos like me. NFL Daily is your kind of show. It's in the name.

NFL Daily, you'll have fresh content in your feed all season long. Myself, Greg Rosenthal, and an all-star cast of co-host will preview and recap every game. all season long. Josh Allen coming off an MVP season. And now lateral to Allen and reaching for the pylon. Are you kidding me? It's a touchdown.

Have you ever seen that one before? Rookies making a name for themselves. Run again. Jetty as a bulldozer. He is bouncing off defenders and dragged down. And of course, the Eagles trying to win another Lombardi. What a game. What a season.

What a team. Eagles fans. Leverage and rejoice. Listen to NFL Daily on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin. And this is NFL cover zero. We're just here to try to give you an NFL perspective a little bit different.

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Toyota, the official automotive partner of the NFL. Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. And I'm sitting on the porch, you know, over in Chatham in the neighborhood. And I told her, you know, I'm getting ready to leave from traveling with Reverend Jackson. She's like, what? You know, because for our people, you know, at that time. Right. The role I had, being with him everywhere, presidents around the country, around the world,

what do you mean? And so, but I was not deterred. As a matter of fact, that again becomes part of the fuel. And, you know, I give much credit to him for the exposure and showing me what was possible. And part of that is part of the journey. We need a, you know, I tell people your network is your net worth. and show me your friends and I'll show you your future.

So being in close proximity to people like that allowed me to open my eyes to what was possible. You say eight simple habits to build lifelong resilience. Yes. But they're not simple.

They're not. But they're also, for most folks, they won't be new. I think what I'm offering is a chance to revive that which may be dormant in you. Perhaps you don't recognize

You're being agile, but you don't know the power of how to, the purpose of really harnessing agility. You know, you have moments of vulnerability, but you've really not tapped into just how that will help propel you forward. You think that you're determined, but, you know, maybe we could turn it up a notch. And the one that I lean on, and I know you do too, the most, the habit that I lift up towards the end of the book, is faith. You know, we all go through church, and this term faith is thrown out there, and we define it, those of us who are Christians, as the substance of things hope for and the evidence of things not seen. But there is that. But Roland, I'll submit to you that when I came to an understanding that I am the substance of things hope for, I am the evidence. of things not seen for ancestors and aunts and grandparents

and great-grandparents that I never met, who never would have dreamed or imagined that I could have the opportunity to do the things that I do. That's a different level of trigger and harnessing of our faith and how that plays into our ability to be resilient. I'm curious to hear how you answer this question. I'm sure there are people who come up to you all around the country of the world who say,

I want you to be my mentor. When that happens, how do you respond? Rather immediate. I am big on giving out my phone number, my email address. You know, there are certain keys, if you're alumnus of Morehouse College, which I'm huge on, if you're a member of our fraternity,

those are fast triggers, but you don't have to be. I tell young people especially, if you take the first step, if I give you you, my phone number and my email address and you reach out, I'll take the next step, and I'm proud. I hope there are young people who would say that I've had some level

of engagement and input to their journey. Most of the time I say no. Yeah, why is that? Because I have a biblical view of mentorship. For me, mentors choose mentees. Not the reverse.

See, that's fascinating. I chose, my mentors as a child. See, see, I'll dare say you didn't. Let me explain. Okay. The mentor has to see something in you to say I'm willing to invest my time, energy, and resources. And I talk about doggard determination

and I didn't give them an option to say no. Right, no, no, no, but that's precisely, and I kept reaching out. No, but that's precisely it though. Yeah. That's my whole point. Yeah. So my point is, your act

actions show them he wants this. True. And so for me, I put up, I use Elijah and Elisha. Elisha says, I want your anointing. Well, if you standing behind me, when I dropped my coat, you got it. But I ain't about to wait for you. Absolutely. He takes off.

Elisha has to drop his plow and follow him. Yeah. Elijah wasn't following him, okay? Same thing When you talk about When you talk about Caleb Joshua Moses sends them in

Y'all go certainly laying everybody else Come back oh my God they're giants Well Caleb and Joshua are the only one who told them the truth And Moses was like okay I'm gonna take care of y'all to Heck the rest of y'all So what I mean by that is Folk

So I say no Right To see how you respond I got to see something in you that's going to make me take my time So we're saying the same thing I say if you reach out If you reach out

I'm going to reach back But even if you reach out You got to steal When we were at TV1 That was his young sister He worked on the staff And she said We were going to shoot Supreme Court

She said we didn't really go to school For this stuff I really want to do this stuff I said okay So She was with me, handed a camera I want you to shoot this, this, this. Did good, okay, fine, we come back.

I sit down the next day, all here's the deal. I sit down with the executive producer. I sit down with one of our video production folk. We'll do this here. You could utilize my can. I had a camera left at the office. You can use whatever.

Four months ago by, I never used it. So then we even had, we went to LA for the Image Awards. I put the total producer, put it on the team. We could see us in an element. Got there, really didn't do anything. And so a friend of hers hit me one next. Like, oh, so-and-so's going to be a star one day, I said, no, she's not doing this.

And she's like, what I'm like? And so I said, nothing that happened in four months. So we had something going on the next month. I took her off the trip. See, my deal is trips are rewards. You got to show me something at home if I put you on the road. This dude is tough. Oh, no, I don't play that.

So I took off. Yeah. Oh, shit, just crestfallen. Yeah. I said, I'm going to give a one more shot. Sure. So we go to Essence. they're there

and handle a business we got back I didn't speak to her for the next five months and they were like man why are you so hard I said if you come to me and you say you want this

and I give you every opportunity to do it and invest the time I said now you're playing with my time and I said so I'm gonna put this in somebody else who really wants this

and that to me is where a lot of people people mess up because it goes right into where you talk about with network. So if you're unwilling to go that far, I'm not about to expose you to the people who I know in my relationships. But if you do that, I can pave the way for you to be able to do something, but you're going to have to do some work.

Well, you know, I'm with you, but the first thing is I commend you for even being willing to take that type of investment, right? I think we need more women and men in our community. who have achieved levels of success to be open to being mentors, and not just casually, I mean, like you're doing, leaning in, being very tough, demonstrating what we call tough love.

That's a big deal. I won't stop, right? I won't stop giving out the number, but you're right. You know who rises to the top. You know who's really bugging the hell out of them. You know who's trying to reach, who's trying to get your attention. But they got to show it. That's fair.

Because that's what somebody saw. That's fair. It's funny to say, minute, if he called me one more time, some of them may just take your phone call just to get you to stop trying to hit him up, but then they realize, wait a minute, he wants this. And that, to me, is what you have to do if you're trying to achieve something, if you're trying to open a door. Close mouths, don't get fed.

No, you're right. But, you know, you're also assuming, though, with that perspective, that this generation especially has had a similar journey that we have. I am trying to exhibit... Oh, no, right. I'm trying to exhibit a tad bit more grace, which is a big deal for me.

You got way more grace than I do. Only because, you know, I can't fault them for what they've not been taught. I can't fault them for living in this world where they're a button away from having everything. They can get everything. They've not had to be as resilient.

They've not learned. So part of the impetus and drive to run, write this book, is to not only help folks like you and I, but to show a generation that has not had the journey that we've had that doesn't know that instinctively to do some of the things that that's, and let me tell you, it's a big deal for me. I'm trying to get much more grace. I gave a master class at Clark Atlanta two hours. I literally walked through multiple examples of how I had benefited in my career

because of this networking and this, how I got how I established relationship, how I got the all this sort of stuff. I get done most of them walk out. Don't even ask for the email or the number. I come down to the front, I take

multiple come up, one photos. Don't ask for nothing. I said they're a product of their generation. And I literally said, I'm sorry, did anybody listen to what I said up there? And I said not one of y'all? Now mind you, these are journalism students.

So this is not like engineering, no, no, no. It's just media I said, I said, I just explained to y'all how I would not let anybody in media hit Jack Jace High School of Texas A&M and they did not meet me.

And I said, and you walked up to me and asked for a selfie, and you didn't ask me for my contact information. So that story only fuels my desire to lean in more. And I hope for folks listening, that story does the same thing for them. These young people need us in a way that we have never imagined. The fact that you had to shout out

and damn near pull people back into the room to say, hey, hey, hey, did you hear me? That's the worst. That's the word. Same thing happened in Texas Christian University. White private school in Fort Worth, but same thing.

The first instinct is for the selfie. Oh, yeah, Roland Martin is here, but very few are going to figure out, you know, I think this is true. From what I understand, I think you remember years back, Robert Smith gave the money for the graduating class.

Coupled with that, people just saw the financial but he also offered himself on an occasional basis to get on the line with the brothers and have conversation. It was unfortunate the amount of young men that did not take advantage of that aspect of the gift. So the gift was not just financial, the gift of time, the gift of my experience.

The gift of relationship. The gift of relationship. And see, that's just it. I think networking is a very superficial term. You and I eat. It is. It is. We exchange a business card.

True relationships are built when you call me rolling. It's like, hey man, when are we going to play golf? Hey man, how's your mom doing? Hey man, how's your family doing? Right. People are invested in who you are beyond the business. And when they are invested that way, they're going to do whatever they can to ensure that you're successful.

I remember when Jada Smith had executive produced a documentary on Angela Davis. We're at the screening in New York. Yeah. And we're waiting for her to come through. Will comes over, and I'm about to interview him. He said, wait before I start, he turns to the camera. He says, I want y'all to know. He said, this brother reach out just to say hi, happy birthday,

happy anniversary, don't want nothing, hasn't asked me for anything. And I said, yeah. And I've had people say, man, but, but, man, you were facing tough times. Why did you call so-and-so and so-and-so? Yeah. I'm saying, no. not understanding that you know, didn't need to

or I didn't feel those necessary and I've said to folk because when you talk about networking those relationships may not manifest into something for five, ten, fifteen years

or you may never you may never get anything monetarily out of it but you simply have the relationship And that to me is a great mistake And I've actually had to snatch some folks

By saying, yo, I need you to chill your ass out and relax Yeah, yeah You push it too damn hard Yeah, okay, let this shit breathe Yeah, I'm like calm down Yeah Know how to, know how to ease in, how to ease out You know how to watch that person, understand

And because I see, you can't make this thing about what you want You've got to also learn to look at that person and they're that person and then just know how to move because sometimes you meet some folks and you get on their damn nerves. And you also, before asking something from someone, should figure out how you can pour into

them first. Rinaldo Glover. He was an alpha brother. He was the chairman of the Fifth Board of Trustees, City College of Chicago. Matter of fact, ran Reginald Lewis's business after he passed away. Very good friends with his wife. Rinaldo would often, he would

he would meet and this is what he would say how can I be of assistance that's right that's right didn't matter he would that was his

I mean that was a one he all can I help you he all say how can I be of assistance he was being replaced as the chair of the city college of Chicago when

new mayor came in because he lived in Chicago he so basically he's getting fired right he tells the white guy okay how can be able to assistance. The guy was completely shocked by it.

Right. But Ray, that was always his thing. That was the question he would always ask. Yeah, I embraced that, and I do the same thing. In every meeting, it's how can I be of help? You know, people start, they talk, but at the end of the day, it's how can I be of help? I ask every book author this. This is the last question I'll ask you. Whenever one is writing a book, researching a book, doing these things, there's always a wow moment. Something happens where they go, a memory gets jarred, then they go, wow, I forgot about that.

Or something pops off. What was it for you? So in the process, your publisher asks you for the first half. for the book so that they can do an initial review. And I thought, you know... You're writing the book before the book. Right. Yes, yes.

But I'm thinking, okay, I'm writing this book for Roland and I'm going to give him these habits that he can use to become more resilient. She pushed the book back to me. And she said, no. If people don't see and understand your authentic, resilient journey, then it's not going to work. The most frustrating...

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That was the aha moment. Because what? for the history, your whole deal was normally private, reserved. Well, I thought I was writing a simple self-help book for Roland, that it was for you. It wasn't for me. But in order

for it to help me, I need to know how you applied these things. No doubt about it. You went through. But that was the, aha. I didn't, as a new author, I did not know that. I thought, I thought, you know, I could write this and I could shield all my stuff. I mean, I don't have to talk about

my resume. I mean, let me just, but no, no, no, no. Because your personal story, that's actually how someone actually then connects with what you're trying to say. It's important for people to know I lost the business. It's important to people know, you know, I've been fired. It's important for people to know, you know, I struggle every day. You know, it's important people to know that sometimes what you see on the outside

does not represent what's going on on the inside. But we continue to persist. But it's also important people to understand that because, What it also reveals, you still overcame it. That's right. The greatest mistake that I do believe that we make is, even I think with children. Yes. And a lot of parents do this.

A lot of parents, they don't talk about pain and suffering. They don't talk about financial issues with their children or whatever the heck. So then that child has no understanding of what they're actually going through. I remember, before COVID, my schedule was just stupid. I mean, I was always gone, so on the weekend. So one particular weekend, I was there, and my wife normally took my nieces at the church. They would all go out and eat afterwards.

And so this time, church was over, we would drive home. They're like, Uncle, where are we going to eat? I was like, home? What do you mean? On Jackie, I always takes this out. I'm like, yeah, I know. I said, spend too there much money. I said, okay, I said, let's walk through.

So we're driving. Right. So we're about to have a math lesson. How many of y'all in here? Six. I'm seven All right This is average

average meal What's the total amount of the meal They sit there trying to figure it out Times 4 I said times 12 Right Then I'm like all right It's six of y'all

Three tutors Laptimes Private lesson Going through all the tools Stuff like this I said now Now I said if we go The grocery store

Buy these ingredients for this meal how much is that meal? Yeah. It's six of y'all. Yeah. You can stir, you can chop, you can, went through the whole deal. I was like,

y'all gonna fix a damn meal. Yeah. But I needed them to understand that there were costs involved with all of this. And I needed them to understand you're sometime, you're going to have to cook for yourself

because you can't afford to eat out. And so you better understand what that means. And so then when I bought them, whenever they're computers and everything, I would tell them that's the most expensive thing you ever held in your life. Yeah. So I need you to understand

don't play with that $2,000 dollar computer. Yeah. Because I'm the one who's to pay for it to get fixed. I needed them to understand that this didn't just show up just because if anything happens, I could just go get another one. Yeah, I, you know, my mom did not have to beat it into me.

I dedicate the book to her because she was the greatest example of what it meant to be resilient. I watched the sacrifices. I knew she worked multiple jobs. I knew she was sacrificing things for herself, for me and my brother. I was a last key kid.

I had to be at home and feed myself, et cetera. So, you know, I'm grateful that the first example of what it means to be resilient and to persevere through hard and difficult times, was my mom. I do believe one of the biggest problems of this generation and the difference between us and them. Somebody actually put a graphic on Instagram

while they said, don't you ever, y'all need to lead these Gen X's alone. Because they went through stuff. It was sort of like they played on slides that took the skin off. Absolutely. Oh yeah, yeah, there's something on Instagram that shows the toys that we played with versus the toys

versus the toys that kids played with it and how dangerous you know it was risking your life just going out to play they were literally talking about again right being latchkey kids we we we babysat ourselves absolutely cook and so so a huge part of of that psyche yeah is knowing what we had the stuff that we had to do absolutely which certainly differs from millennials coming behind us in gen z it's a totally different world so yeah it is a different world y'all the book is the power to to persist, eight simple habits to build lifelong resilience. The author is LaMelle J. McMorris. Appreciate it, six. Thank you, brother. Thanks a bunch. Thanks for having me. Folks, that is it for us on today's show.

I certainly hope you enjoy the conversation we had. Kill the music, please. A conversation we had with both of the book authors. Be sure to get both of these books, y'all. And so both are available. Again, the power to persist, LaBelle McMorris. And then, of course, also the black family who built America, The McKissick's Two Sisters of Daring Pioneers by Cheryl McIssick, Daniel, with Nick Childs.

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