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Episode Date: August 27, 20258.26.2025 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Trump Targets Fed Gov Lisa Cook, #47 Lies Backfire, Nat’l Guard Threats, JohnTom's BBQTrump's newest target is Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook, the first Bl...ack woman ever to hold that seat. Morgan Harper from the American Economic Liberties Project and strategist Rhonda Foxx will join us to break down why he's set his sights on Cook. Trump's so‑called 'truth' backfires in spectacular fashion. We'll show you how Fox exposed the lie.Trump says Chicago is next to have the National Guard on its streets. Well, Reverend Dr. Michael Pfleger has some choice words for the twice-impeached, criminally convicted felon-in-chief, Donald "The Con" Trump.In tonight's Black Star Network Marketplace, we head straight to the pit with John Tom's BBQ, where a Black‑owned business, bold flavor, and community come together.#BlackStarNetwork partner: Fanbasehttps://www.startengine.com/offering/fanbaseThis Reg A+ offering is made available through StartEngine Primary, LLC, member FINRA/SIPC. This investment is speculative, illiquid, and involves a high degree of risk, including the possible loss of your entire investment. You should read the Offering Circular (https://bit.ly/3VDPKjs (https://bit.ly/3ZQzHl0) related to this offering before investing.Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV.The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Oh, my goodness.
Donald Trump, he's targeting another black woman.
This time, Dr. Lisa Cook, the first black woman to serve on the Federal Reserve Board.
He says he is firing.
her. She says, no, Blair, you don't have the authority to do so. We'll break this whole saga
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Well, folks, a twice impeached, criminally convicted felon in
Chief Donald the Khan Trump is attacking another black woman.
We've made it clear this man does not like black people, especially black women.
His latest target is Dr. Lisa Cook.
You have allegations from one of Trump's housing appointees that Lisa Cook somehow committed mortgage fraud.
It's the allegation.
Has she been indicted?
No.
Has she been tried?
No.
Has she been convicted?
No.
But it doesn't matter to be thugging.
chief. He wants her fired. Last night, Trump sends a termination letter to her, saying she was
removed from her position for cause, citing allegations of mortgage fraud. The letter was dated
August 15th. The Justice Department indicated it plans to investigate these claims,
but here's the problem. He doesn't have the legal authority. Cook said so in her a statement
and firing back at this idiot.
President Trump purported to fire me for cause
when no cause exists under the law,
and he has no authority to do so.
I will not resign.
I will continue to carry out my duties
to help the American economy
as I have been doing since 2000 and 22.
Morgan Harper, the Director of Policy and Advocacy
at the American Economic Liberties Project.
Also joining us is Rhonda Fox,
founder of Persist.
I'm really glad to have both of you here.
I'll start with you, Morgan.
The bottom line is this here.
Lisa, Dr. Lisa Cook, first African-American to serve,
first African-American woman to serve on the Federal Reserve.
And it's a 14-year appointment.
She was confirmed by the United States Senate.
Trump doesn't have the authority.
But what has happened is he believes that he can do whatever he wants.
I'm going to play a clip later where he literally says,
I can do whatever I want as president of the United States.
The Supreme Court has expanded the powers of the office of the president.
And this is why this idiot is doing this because this is his continual attack on the Federal Reserve,
which he wants to run, even though it is independent or supposed to be independent of politics.
Absolutely.
And I completely agree with you, Roland.
I mean, there's no accident in the terms of the people he's choosing to target, Lisa Cook,
Tish James with these really bogus allegations of mortgage fraud and criminal activity. It's just
it's nonsense. But the fact that they are both black women that stand in the way of his
authoritarian march to control the entire federal government is a problem for him. And what's
the risk here? The Federal Reserve, it is independent pursuant to the law in Congress through
the Federal Reserve Act. Like you pointed out, and like we also heard from Governor Cook herself,
the only way that you can get rid of her is for cause. What does that mean? It means that there's
been some professional malfeasance is, I think, the actual term, meaning like something in the
course of your job you did that was wrong, that ran counter to your obligations in that
position. And that's nothing that is being discussed here. What is happening in the federal
government, speaking of laws that are being broken, is a lot of big corporations that have
donated big money to Donald Trump are seeing lawsuits against them by the Department of Justice,
by the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, just disappear or be settled for nothing.
So it's clearly not a priority of this administration to go after actual breaking of the law.
And when we look at this type of political agenda applied to an agency,
like the Federal Reserve, which is charged with really maintaining the financial stability
of the country. It's not to say it's a perfect institution for what it means, but their charge
is financial stability. It's looking out at the labor market movement there. It's controlling
interest rates, a controlling monetary supply. It's controlling our role in a very interconnected
global economy at this point. The risk from this type of political activity is that we see real
economic damage and harm done to us as people living in this country, small business owners,
and ultimately are standing internationally.
Ron, you dropped a letter on social media. You said that Donald Trump's justification
of unsubstantiated accusations of mortgage fraud, but let's be clear, this isn't about
mortgages. It's a blatant attack on the Federal Reserve. Now, here,
a deal guys pull the clip up because earlier today in that ridiculous captain meeting where it
really was who can outdo one another kissing Donald Trump's ass this issue of this mortgage
fraud came up and Donald Trump lied he literally says in this clip we're about to play that
oh people's mortgages that's public information roll it guys we don't have I seem to get the
clip, guys, because I want to play this, because it gives a perfect example of what I'm talking
about here, Rhonda, where this liar, he sits before the public and he lies, knowing full well,
that is personal data and his own housing guy, Pulte, who's been going after Jerome Powell.
He's the one who threw out this allegation.
Yeah.
Rhonda, go ahead.
Okay.
So I'm glad that you hit on Bill Palti.
I think when we look at this whole situation, and this did not begin with Lisa Cook.
This is a playbook of attacking black women that began before Fonnie Willis.
But we really started seeing it with Fonnie Willis.
We popped over to L.A. with Karen Bass.
We're seeing A.G. James.
Obviously, Kamala Harris has always been a victim of it, but now with Lisa Cook.
And the real villain behind a lot of this is Bill Pulte, someone that a lot of people do not know about.
They don't know about the agency that he has oversight of.
But he is literally using the federal housing finance agency to go after individual citizens.
That's not what that agency is for.
That agency exists to look at Freddie Mac, other housing institutions all the way back from 2008 when that institution was created.
So there's a couple of things that are really troubling.
One, this playbook is being written on the backs of black women.
We know that, one, attacking black women, attacking women, it energizes the MAGA base.
But what it also does for Democrats is it bifurcates our coalition.
We say race shouldn't matter.
Race shouldn't matter.
We spend time focusing on all of that because we have our own internal biases that we need to control.
We're not going to step out and support and defend black women, let alone Roland, you know this better than anyone.
Six million Democrats set out in 2020.
for because they didn't want to support a black woman. So by really doing this playbook on the back
of black women, he energizes his base, distracts our coalition, and he's able to put into place
an authoritarian regime. And so we're just getting started. But this guy, Bill, is literally
weaponizing an agency, using it to go after individuals on mortgage claims, not even anything
substantiated. When you really look at mortgage fraud, it's very complicated. It's not, it's not
But oftentimes an intentional mistake.
It tends to be a paperwork mistake.
And so what we're seeing now is absolutely the worst of the worst, but it's also important
to acknowledge race because they are literally going to destroy democracy on the backs of black
women.
They have written this playbook, and there is nobody coming to our defense in this moment.
They are going, Morgan, they're going after Letitia James, the New York State Attorney General,
as well as Adam Schiff and also Lisa Cook.
And to the point that she just made what we're dealing with,
we are dealing with thugs who want to exact retribution and revenge.
And for all of the whining and complaining about how President Joe Biden
and Vice President Kamala Harris weaponize the government against him and Republicans,
these people are 100% weaponizing the government, targeting their critics.
Hell, he even said because Chris Christie criticized him that he was going to launch an investigation into Chris Christie.
That's what these thugs are doing.
Absolutely. And I think that can kind of muddy the race element of this, because I completely agree.
I mean, I think the targeting of folks like Tish James, like Lisa Cook here as black women,
is to play into, I mean, I completely agree with your other people say, play into what the MAGA base
we know is red meat for much of the MAGA base. And it also kind of like greases the wheels
for the further takeover that will happen throughout the government. And it plays into this racial
trope that somehow these women are not capable of managing their finances and so therefore
shouldn't be in these positions of government. But again, it's complete nonsense. It's unsubstantiated.
But I think that we do run the risk with some of our, even folks that maybe are part of our coalition,
of trying to get in the weeds of defending what they may or may not have done with these mortgages.
And it's like, no, right?
Like, we should not be getting into what are the elements of mortgage fraud.
Once we start talking about that, we are missing the larger point here, which is, yes, this administration is turned into a criminal enterprise.
it only serves to reward those who are willing to do their bidding through cash, and they are willing to take down the whole institution of government with them and make it in whatever outcomes they're looking for.
And so I think that's important because it's not going to be enough to just point out that there is a racializing of what's happening here.
We have to also point out the larger project to make sure that our folks are talking about this in the right way and not getting pulled.
into the real back and forth that they're looking for, which is distracting from the larger game
that they're playing.
Right, but, but Ronald, it's not either or it's, it's, and, it's both. That's what's going
on here. They are attacking their critics regardless, but they have, they particularly want
to attack African Americans. I've said this repeatedly, that these thugs, these magids,
they want to defund black America.
They want to tear down every single game that we have seen in the past 60 years.
And that means going after any African-American who is in a high position who is not chosen to kiss Donald Trump's ass or his ring.
And here's the thing, too.
They say as Democrats, we shouldn't focus on race.
This is not about Lisa Cook's race.
It very much is.
And, you know, what's happening by attacking the Federal Reserve, anyone out there, I don't care where you sit, what your politics are, you should be shocked. You should be alarmed. The Federal Reserve is the last standing independent institution. What makes the United States, the United States, why nations globally look to us as the dominant superpower is because our central banks, our banks are independent of politics. The Federal Reserve governors, they tend to serve, what is at 14-year terms,
specifically so that they would not touch so much by politics.
So to see a sitting president go after a governor on the Federal Reserve, not only is it going
to tank our markets, but it's literally the next step to complete authoritarianism.
But when you go after a black woman who's coming to her aid, again, we got to this position
because six million of our own Democrats didn't want to vote for that black women.
So now they're not going to step up, take to the streets.
MAG is not going to step up and say, wait a minute, you're destroying my pockets because you're going after this black woman.
It plays into their bigoted, misogynistic fears that, oh, they're coming for us.
They got their job, you know, from some DEI woke type thing.
That's why we're seeing all of those narratives.
But this is literally a ploy, a stunt so that we are divided, we are blinded, as he takes over this.
central bank. And that is literally, potentially the end of democracy. And our bigotry is going
to allow that to happen. You are building authoritarian regimes off the backs of black women
in your bigotry. And that is something that all of us need to be loud about. We need to hold
people accountable who are silent in this moment. And we need to be very fearful, especially as
black people, that this is happening on your watch. And so anyone that doesn't want to answer
you know, the call and support this black woman, this is going to destroy your pocket.
This, the fact that the U.S. government has our private data, our mortgage data, and they are
using that, weaponizing it against us. Be alarmed. This is a problem.
Yeah, it is. And, and Morgan, go ahead. I'm sorry.
I was just going to say, the other thing to note about this is, how does Lisa Cook become a governor of the Federal Reserve,
That doesn't just happen.
That means that you were part of the Federal Reserve banking system before.
How do you become part of that?
That's because financial institutions in the region where you're working choose you to be part of the Federal Reserve Bank.
And then you get nominated and eventually confirmed by the United States Senate to become a governor of the...
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Council. National Federal Reserve. And so it's interesting, and I agree with Rhonda,
you know, that we aren't hearing more from financial institutions, leaders from the private
sector that really were part of putting her in a position to become a governor, and now are
just stepping back and being silent in the midst of this, despite the real economic harm
that could stem from this politicization of government.
Well, listen, it's, I mean, my God, it's eight months in, and Rhonda, I keep warning people, it's not going to get better.
It is going to get worse.
And as long as these thugs are empowered, every time he says, oh, dictator and national media doesn't make it a major issue, then they go, oh, we can go further.
So what they're doing is very clear.
They laid it out in Project 2025.
They're executing this strategy, and the only thing that we have left is to fight this in the courts.
And I keep saying this over and over again.
There's not a single black person who can afford to sit out the next election.
And that means every single Republican must be penalized at the ballot box because they are all complicit in allowing this thug Donald Trump to do what he's doing.
And Roland, you know, I was on the campaign.
I spent more time writing press statements.
I was the head of the Women's Coalition about what Project 2025 would mean for all of us.
We spelled this out.
Capitulation and mainstream media did not, you know, do its job to help us project that message.
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But we knew this was coming.
We tried to get this message out and looking at this where this man has literally built a,
administration of henchmen and hitchwomen that will do his dirty bidding, regardless of the
Constitution.
We were warned about this.
Now the fight is in the courts and at the ballot boxes, and it's time to really buckle down.
We cannot sit this out.
I think we need to be real, though, too.
And I agree with a lot of what you said, Rhonda, and Roland, but the courts are unlikely to be
our friend here.
I mean, it is the case that, you know, there was a Supreme Court case about the independence
of other agency leads, it did seem like the Supreme Court was willing to respect that
the Federal Reserve is unique. Hopefully they continue to do that. But we don't really have a lot
of great evidence to go on there, though I'm very, very happy that she's just immediately
suing the administration and challenging this illegal act from them. So I do think we also
have to consider that contrast of, like, what is not happening? What are they, what are the
type, like I was saying before, what are the types of crimes that they are very comfortable
letting sail through and how they are impacting Americans' pocketbooks every day in a bunch of
different industries? And I agree with your role, and it's only going to get worse. I think that
has to be part of, you know, I am not in charge of any political party, but if I were thinking
about, you know, how you message in this moment, I would be considering calling out, you know,
some of those entities that are just skirting by and are raising prices in addition to
to all of the democratic threats and the risk of authoritarianism here that continues to grow.
Yeah, I mean, listen, we obviously can't, it's not like it's guaranteed to count on the courts,
but what we have seen, though, we have seen many of the federal judges, including Trump federal judges.
The Trump appointed federal judge just blasted their lawsuit against Maryland federal judges
and throwing it out of court. Now, the Supreme Court, bear will the backstop.
if this Supreme Court continues to allow this man to do whatever we want to do,
they are risking people questioning their legitimacy.
And again, so no matter what that happens, I still contend, and it is fundamentally important.
That is, people are going to have to rebel at the ballot box.
As long as people sit elections out, as long as they don't vote,
as long as people complain on social media and don't vote, they are empowering these thugs.
They are giving them the right to do what they want to do, and that simply has to stop.
Morgan and Rhonda, I certainly appreciate y'all being on today's show.
Thank you so very much.
Thanks for having us.
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Glad to have all three of y'all on today's panel.
Oh, man, I, it's so much I got to deal with.
So let's deal with this first.
Do y'all have the mortgage fraud clip?
Do y'all have it?
Okay, all right. So, again, Trump and his secret Trump and his single fans had their news conference today and listened to this BS that was said.
When it comes to Fed Governor Lisa Cook, her lawyer has said that they're going to be filing a lawsuit challenging this legal action.
What is your response? Are you prepared for a legal fight?
And then a little bit more of a happy question, sir. I had a legal fight that went on for years with crooked people with very serious.
horrible people, people that have been found out now between John Ratcliffe and Tulsi and Pam
and, I mean, the things that we found out, of course. It's a very, very sad group of people.
But now she seems to have had an infraction, and she can't have an infraction, especially that
infraction because she's in charge of, if you think about it, mortgages, and we need people
that are 100% above board, and it doesn't seem like she was.
Okay, so that was that, and then this fool made this comment when it came to bring you up again being a dictator.
But then he goes on television and says, oh, Trump is a dictator, he's a dictator.
And a lot of people have been, so the line is that I'm a dictator, but I stop crime.
So a lot of people say, you know, if that's the case, I'd rather have a dictator, but I'm not a dictator.
I just know how to stop crime.
No, actually, you don't.
You don't know how to stop crime,
and you're not stopping crime,
so that's a lot.
But the thing here, Mustafa,
that, again, we have to focus on.
The repeated comments have I been a dictator,
what they're doing is they're waiting,
and so the whole deal is,
oh, well, there's not going to be any real reaction from people.
Guess what?
we can actually move closer to being a dictator.
Yeah, it's about socialization, right?
You say things, you do things,
and you see if it has a negative impact
and folks don't speak out and push back
and say these are not American values
and we're not going to support it,
then they take it another step further.
And then they try it again, and they try it again
until they see how far they can go.
And then eventually people will look back and they'll no longer be able to find democracy inside of this country.
You'll know where we find justice inside of this country.
So they're just trying to socialize folks.
And that's the reason he uses both his media platform.
He uses the news also because they capture what he says and there's no real pushback.
There's no real analysis.
So this is a well-thought-out game.
There is intentionality in each one of the things that they as a team,
do, and of course he plays it out for America. So folks have a choice. When you see these
types of things, you can call it out and say that you're not supporting it and not support
it through your vote, not support it, you know, through other mechanisms, or you can continue
to watch the erosion of a set of values inside of our country that we supposed to actually
build the foundation on. And they absolutely, Joe, they want
to be a dictator. They want to ignore the law. That is their desire. We have seen this over and over
and over again, and that's why people have to respond. They cannot be silent and not respond
to these actions, whether it's the National Guard, whether it's just blowing off the law.
I mean, that's what's going on here. And let's just be frank, they got in the office because
too many people were asleep at the wheel and were saying, well, it wasn't that bad.
last time he was there.
So we survived it.
So we can survive it again.
We're talking now about a completely different administration.
Yeah, you know, ignore the law, ignore court orders, you know, make up things.
We'll talk about some of these other things that have come across recently, make up an infraction,
and now saying that the person on the Federal Reserve are you trying to.
to get rid of is potentially being investigated for an infraction, and therefore she needs to come
off right away. Donald Trump doesn't like people. I don't think he likes smart people at all.
Then he really doesn't like smart people that disagree with him, and then wrap it all up in one
and make it a black woman, and his reaction is absolutely visceral. Now, I have to tell you,
for as much as Donald Trump complains, he's got to know that behind closed doors, he's got no complaints.
with this media. I believe the media made him president twice. I believe the media has normalized
much of what he's done. The media does not sound the alarm the way that they need to, for fear of
being sued or for fear of being considered less than objective, for fear of being considered
left wing or whatever it is. I'm not sure what it is. But he's got no complaints at all because
the media has made him president twice, and they're continuing to normalize, by and large,
of the things that are going on now. And so now he's attacking this woman trying to get rid of her
off the Federal Reserve because she's in the way. And knowing that black women, particularly
smart ones, are much less likely to support him in any way, shape, or form. And those that
are there because of their acumen and expertise, in her case,
and financials, they're not going to move off of what it is that they know to do just because
he has this perception that he wants X, Y, Z done. And so therefore, get rid of them, you know,
do everything that we need to do. Let's create a problem. Now I'll fire them, etc. And it's just
amazing to me that people are not understanding quite the way that they need to. That's why the alarm
has to be sounded. We're in a very, very dangerous place. And we have been
for a long time. And again, to your point, we're only eight months into this thing. And it's
going to continue. And there has to be some pushback, some consistent pushback somewhere so that
we can call a spade a spade and that everything that can be done actually is. But it is certainly
unfortunate that by and large, not at the level that they should be, people don't seem to be getting
this quite the way they need to be.
See, Randy,
so many
people made assumptions.
And
I remember
folks, they out there
our chat, oh, y'all
spending too much time on this.
Y'all making too big
of a deal out of this.
The problem
you have is you have a Republican-led Congress who is so scared of him, they don't want to say
or do anything. So they are, in essence, giving up the power of Congress. And so you have
Trump basically saying, I own these Supreme Court justices, which means that he's in control
of the executive, the legislative, and the judicial. And that right there is scary.
There were so many simple Simon Negroes.
Oh, it's not going to impact us.
They can't do anything to us.
Hmm, really?
New York has the largest concentration of black people in America.
Chicago is number three behind Atlanta.
You don't think they're going to be targeting black people.
And so folk really had better wake up to understand how these people are being thugs,
how they are weaponizing the federal government,
not just with that power, but how they are.
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Are weaponizing it to control public companies, private companies, major companies, in so many different areas as well.
This is far reaching.
We have never, ever seen this consolidation of power ever in this country.
Right.
We are living through a direct attack on black Americans, and they are going through it systemically.
They plan this.
This is Project 25.
He is doing what he said he was going to do.
And one of the ways that he is crippling us is to ensure that anyone who gets in his way,
particularly black people, are cut at the knees.
I mean, started out with the joint chiefs or staff, and he's gone through.
said, okay, now he's at Cook, and how can we get rid of Cook? And let's be clear, if Trump
has done nothing else, he knows the legal system. This is a 34-time felon. He was fighting
lawsuits back in the day when he wouldn't rent homes to black people in the 80s. He knows
what court is about, and he knows what due process is. But he doesn't use it when it comes
to people that he feels feel will get in his way.
And he knows that these very well-qualified black women
that he keeps attacking, because let's be clear,
Cook was on the staff of University of Michigan.
She was on the staff of Harvard.
She has served under three other presidents prior to him,
Obama, Clinton, and Bush.
Of course, she's well-qualified,
because black people have to be over-qualified
to be in that position.
So he knows that he has to get this brilliant woman, this well-qualified woman, out of his way so he can run what's supposed to be an independent bank to ensure that this is why.
I mean, there have been clashes with presidents and people on the governor's board before, but it's never been when someone has tried to fire someone.
And trying to fire someone because of an allegation, not, she has not been at all proven.
of doing any wrongdoing, but an allegation, whereas he, where it's okay for he who has been
proven guilty to be the president of the United States. That is the hypocrisy of all this.
It's that that is, that is what is fearful and what should make us fearful. And furthermore,
the fact that no one is going to stop him, I mean, he is a bully and everyone seems to be
scared of him, everyone that is but black women.
You know, Mustafa, this idiot sent out a social media post of the days, complaining about negative stories against him by ABC and NBC and then threatened to pull their FNC licenses.
First of all, he's so stupid that ABC News, the network, and NBC News, the network, they don't actually have licenses.
The only the local stations, the NBC-owned and operated, ABC-owned and operating stations have licenses.
But this is what we do know.
Here's the FCC chairman, Brennan the car, absolutely is a right-winger.
Absolutely has been using the power of the FCC to drive a bagger agenda.
And so I wouldn't put that past Brendan Carr to do that.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, you know, it is all about power, right?
So if you say on the face of it that you're going to pull those license for ABC, NBC, or whomever it might be,
then it makes you look powerful and strong.
If you say, you know, that you're trying to take away from local networks,
then you're getting down to where people actually live and the stories that folks hear about what's going on in their communities.
And, you know, people have a bigger issue with that than these big conglomerates.
So I wouldn't be surprised either if these heads of these respective networks, you know, continue to erode our values, continue to fire people of color, do all these negative things to actually stop the right types of information, truthful information to be moved forward instead of the misinformation and disinformation that they continue to allow to just spin around.
So I'm never surprised with many of these folks.
I'm disappointed in them, but I understand the game,
and I understand that they're not interested in actually doing what's right.
All right, folks, hold tight one second.
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A former Trump supporter who now eviscerates America talks about how these folks can't stand black people.
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Dean Withers, a young former Trump supporter who now, of course, he viscerates the right.
He hosts a podcast called One Woke Team versus 100 Trump supporters, really shared in a recent episode, an encounter while he doesn't believe a GOP, including Donald Trump, can't stand black people.
All right. Hey, I just, like, well, I just want to be clear here. Republicans hate black people.
Maga hates black people, right? So if you're watching this and you're a black person,
Maga hates you. They hate you. They loathe you. They despise your existence.
What's my evidence for this? We've been live for about an hour now. We haven't had one Trump
supporter come up here and tell us why they support Trump. No, we haven't.
we haven't we've had maybe 20 people come up here and scream the inward though
Republicans are more willing to slur Republicans are more willing to hate crime
Republicans are more willing to despise you for your existence of your black person watching
this then they are willing to give one intellectual reason why Donald Trump is a good president
so for everybody watching I mean I'm talking about the 2.2,000 people on YouTube
and the 7.3,000 people on TikTok this shit should should be
radicalizing you.
I'm being so fucking real.
This shit should radicalize you.
How scary is that?
The millions of Americans
that support the president we have today
don't support them because of reason.
Don't support him because of fact.
Don't support him because of logic.
They don't support him because of anything
in alignment with reality.
They support him out of hate and disdain
for you if you are a black person.
Right? And once again, the fact that we have had 20 people come up here and vocalize their explicit hate, hatred for black people, instead of giving one argument for why they support Trump. One reason talking about the economy, talking about his policy, immigration, foreign affairs. No, it's just the inward.
So if you're a black person, if you're a brown person, if you're Bipak, MAGA hates you.
No lies told, Randy?
I mean, water is wet.
Water is wet.
I mean, of course, there are a few step to fetchets who think differently, but I think the majority of black people are very clear.
that we are hated.
That is what MAGA is about.
They are not about so much what they're going to do for others,
but what they're going to do against others to oppress others.
I mean, the name of their game is the oppression of anybody that is non-white.
They definitely hate black people,
but, you know, I try to make people understand that I've never met a bigot who was targeted.
And by that, I mean, if someone hates black people,
we may get it the worst and first, but they are xenophobic.
They're not messing with Jews.
They're not messing with LGBTIQIA.
They're not messing with Hispanics.
So, you know, we're in this together, whether they realize it or not.
I think a lot of people are having wake-up calls right now as we speak.
And that's part of the reason that, you know, the lecture went the way it did
is because some people people were fine as long as black people were going to be hurt.
They knew black people would be hurt.
They didn't realize that they, too.
would be targeted as well.
But yeah, I mean, it's, you know, people will listen to, if I don't know anything else,
I know people will listen to a white person and trust a white person telling them about their
own people before, like, me or you say it.
So it's great that this young man is just calling a thing, a thing.
But I don't think any of us are sitting over here in shock and all about what he's saying.
It is not, it was not a revolutionary state here.
We know.
But his audience, but his audience is not our audience.
And he needed to say we'll need to be said because, Joe, what we have to recognize.
Yeah, I mean, it's, yeah.
So it was critically important, I think, for him to say what he had to say, because what we have to recognize.
And again, this was literally the basis of my book, White Fear, while the Browning of America is making white folks lose their minds.
and I called it
and I hate the fact that I called it
that I saw it, it was coming true
but we have to recognize
that, I mean, look,
I saw a piece earlier
but one of the proud boys
they were like, oh, we don't have to protest
anymore because we're not
on the inside.
We're not mainstream.
Our viewpoints, oh,
we're good.
That's literally what the racists are saying, Joe.
We're good.
They are
embracing us.
Yeah, and so from where they stand, things are being well taken care of.
You know, what I like to say is, you know, are there Republicans out there that you know
that'll say that they don't hate black people and kind of mean it?
Yeah, sure, there are.
But here's what I say in response to that.
You can say that I'm cool.
You can say that you're a Reagan Republican, which isn't a lot better to me.
or Bush, let's say a Bush one Republican.
I'm a, I'm an H.W. Republican, but the H.W. Republicans aren't the ones in charge.
I mean, how long ago does it seem that George H.W. Bush actually supported, it's a little watered down with the 1991 civil rights bill.
How long ago does it seem that George W. Bush supported some initiatives in Africa?
How long ago does it seem that some folks that were on that side of the aisle acknowledged that some other folks had a right to exist, even if there were some very honest disagreements?
So at the end of the day, what I sell people is that, well, if you don't hate me, if you don't, you know, if you're a quote, good Republican or whatever, well, the good Republicans.
aren't the ones that are running things now.
There aren't the ones that are in the White House making decisions.
Good Republicans are getting run out of town.
Okay?
And so at the end of the day...
No, no, no, sorry.
Actually, Joe, Joe, no, no, no, no, Joe, no, no, Joe, I got to disagree with that
because here's why.
Yes, there are never Trumpers.
They exist.
But there are people, there are people like James Baker, who was called a statesman,
who was president of Bush's chief of staff.
who was Secretary of State, and the New Yorker did a story on him, and he made perfectly clear.
Do I like some of the things that he says and does?
No, I am a Republican.
I'm going to vote for the Republican.
So the reason Donald Trump is there is frankly because those folks have not been aggressive.
Listen, for all of the talk of...
Trump's a former chief of staff, retired four-star general,
and the comments that he confirmed to book authors,
John Kelly did not come out publicly before the election
and say to the country, do not, do not vote for this man.
See, and that's the real deal
Because I keep saying this
Republicans like James Baker
Republicans like Eric Erickson
Republicans like Bill Barr
They can
They personally hate Donald Trump
They personally despise Donald Trump
But Donald Trump is their Trojan horse
Because he is their
access to total power
and making a circle
if your guy hates me
you can say you don't hate me
but if your guy hates me
and you support your guy
a plus A equals B and B
C
then A equals C
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deadly. So get in the habit of checking the back seat when you leave. A message from NHTSA and the
ad council. So we get to the same place. So whether or not this gentleman is right saying, you know,
MAGA hates you and Republicans hate you and, you know, Republicans hate black people, whatever else,
that's still how it shows up.
You know, the book says love, not at word, neither in tongue, but indeed and in truth.
So if your guy is screwing me, because your guy hates me, and we're sure about that,
and you look the other way for whatever reason while your guy does what he does,
then you're right there with your guy.
And that's what it, that's what it arrives at, for sure.
It might arrive for a different reason or a different way.
But at the end of the day, if he's your guy and you support your guy,
and he hates me,
then you might as well hate me
because it has the same effect.
You know, Mustafa,
there were some racist
who were fired in the first term of Trump.
They're now back, and they got promotions.
And so, all gloves are off.
These people, they don't care.
They are full on embracing of racism.
And we all know Stephen Miller is an absolute white nationalist.
And so these, if you are a racist in America, you have a home in Maga World.
In fact, you got some white folks in Arkansas who literally are building their whites-only community.
They made a clip.
They don't want any blacks there.
I can guarantee you we don't want to live near your asses.
Malcolm X-1 said that power never takes a backstep only in the,
the face of more power. And that's what we see going on right now is that people are comfortable
with doing the things that they always wanted to do and saying the things that they always
wanted to say because they have an administration that backs it up and that amplifies it.
And not only do they bring it forward in words, but actually in deeds, because you can say lots
of things. I always evaluate your actions to know exactly how you care about me.
So when you dismantle diversity, equity, and inclusion, even though you understand that there are disproportionate impacts that are happening in housing and transportation and jobs and the environment and health care, then that shows that you have little regard for me.
You might actually hate me because you understand the impacts that are happening there.
When you make it more difficult for education to actually happen and to make sure that there's real equality in that space, then that means to me that you hate me.
When you look at the undermining of civil rights and of our, you know, our museums as an example of where you want to do erasure in those spaces, then that sends a very clear message about how you see me.
When you have individuals who talk about cash bail and when they send the National Guard, another law enforcement, into black cities, D.C. is one of those examples.
And that shows exactly how you feel, not only words, but in sets of actions.
When you slash funding for all those federal agencies that have a responsibility around, you know, whether it is the climate crisis and these hurricanes and everything else that happens or environmental justice, and you say that it no longer matters and those impacts that are happening, then they're very clear about one that they have power in this moment and that they're going to utilize it to put you in greater harm.
And then, of course, all the economic impacts of stripping away rights that folks work for for decades upon decades.
decades to just begin to address the wealth gap in our country, they are very clear about
how they feel about you. And then if you just want to look at whom a person surrounds
themselves with, all you got to do is look at the White House. All you got to do is look
at these federal agencies. And it's very clear about what the mandate is and the paradigm
that they're operating from. But some folks still want to keep their eyes closed. Some
folks still, even though you see exactly what's playing out, you want to find and justify
well, that's not really what they're doing.
That's not really how they feel.
And it's just amazing because, as Maya said,
when someone shows you who they are, believe them,
you still have folks who don't believe.
Folks, hold tight one second.
Going to a break, we come back.
We will talk with Chicago pastor, Father Michael Flaker.
He spoke yesterday at the Governor J. Pritzker news conference
regarding Trump wanting to send a national guard to Chicago.
had some tough words to say, and I'm sure he will continue to say right here on the show as well.
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Next on the Black Table with me, Greg Carr.
We welcome the Black Star Network's very own Roland Martin,
who joins us to talk about his new book, White Fear,
how the browding of America is making white folks lose their minds.
The book explains so much about what we're going to.
through in this country right now and how as white people head toward becoming a racial minority
it's going to get well let's just say even more interesting we're going to see more violence
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cities in this country. Oh, he's now focused on red states. He cares only about
the issue of, quote, the so-called issue of crime in blue states. Well, yesterday
at Illinois Governor J. Prisker's news conference, Father Michael Flager spoke, and
this is what he had to say.
Chicago's not in a state of emergency. We all reject any deployment
of National Guard on Chicago streets. We do not need
nor want a militarization of Chicago or Illinois, which is only going to induce fear, chaos,
and disturb the progress we are presently making to decrease violence.
The state of emergency is in America, not Chicago, and is birthed from this president and his administration.
Dr. King said he could not raise his voice against the violence of the oppressed
without having first spoken clearly
to the greater purveyor of violence, his own country.
And those are my words to you, Mr. Trump.
Before you dare speak about any violence in Chicago,
look into your mirror and address the violence coming from the White House.
The violence of cutting snap,
which will cut $2.4 million in food access,
put 360,000 Illinoisans at risk
by taking food off their tables.
Address the violence of cutting
Muddick Medicare and Medicaid by $500 million,
reducing access to doctors
and threatening the closure of hospitals
and nursing home facilities
throughout the state of Illinois.
Literally putting Americans
in life and death situations,
some Americans will die
because of your Medicaid cuts.
Address the violence of cutting
$158 million for violence prevention in Illinois, and yes, as others have stated, the 800 million
anti-violence grants nationwide, and addressed the violence of refusing to ban assault weapons
and high-capacity magazines, refusing to have universal background checks as well as red flag
laws, and making America the gun capital of the world due to its gun ownership and sales.
While you're at it, Mr. Trump, stop the gun flow into our state from your Republican state
of Indiana.
Yes, Mr. Trump, rather than exploit our men and women in uniform for your own political
theater, look into the mirror and address the acts of violence that you have ordered
from your Golden Oval Office, creating violence and chaos throughout this country.
Take the wasted money in sending the National Guard and the wasted money used on threatening
commercials by your Homeland Security Secretary and use it on real violence and prevention
programs that will bring peace.
The only one we have to be concerned about is violence is you, Mr. President, send
the National Guard to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Flavent Jones is right now on Roland Martin-on-Filcher. Glad to see you again, sir.
Good to see you, my brother. How are you doing?
Doing great. His was very interesting. I remember 11 years ago.
The crime under Rahm Emanuel was outrageous. And I actually wrote a column,
talk invoking the use of the National Guard. I made a point about, I said,
you use everything at your disposal.
And I remember the people who are really upset, and I said, listen, I said, if it's state police, if it's, I said, you use everything.
I said, because I said, whether you're doing traffic stops, whether you're doing, you know, any sort of different things to deal with it.
And someone asked me, they said, what's different?
I said, well, I said, I was specifically speaking to the mayor and the governor.
This is a situation where you have someone in the overall office who wants to do this.
when we know the process for to use National Guard is typically a governor makes that decision
or makes the request to the White House.
No, Trump believes that he can do whatever he want.
And in fact, at today's press conference, he literally said he can do whatever he want.
Folks, roll that clip and then we'll go to Father Flaker.
But then he goes on television and says, oh, Trump is a dictator.
and a lot of people have been
so the line is that I'm a dictator
but I stop crime
so a lot of people say you know
if that's the case I'd rather have a dictator
but I'm not a dictator I just know how to stop
crime
all right folks
play the other clip
that's the one about being the dictator
the other clip though speaks to
when he says he could do whatever he wants
so I would have much
more respect for Pritzker if he'd call me up
and say I have a problem can you help me fix
I would be so happy to do it.
I don't love, not that I don't have the right to do anything I want to do.
I'm the president of the United States.
If I think our country's in danger, and it is in danger in these cities, I can do it.
No problem going in and solving his difficulties.
But it would be nice if they'd call and they'd say, would you do it?
Okay, you can't do whatever you want, Father Flager.
can't. But he thinks he can.
And the sad thing at Rowan is, in many circumstances, he is doing whatever the hell he wants.
I mean, everybody said, he can't do this. He won't do this. But he's doing things. He has
broken the Constitution. He's broken the laws. And he thinks he is a dictator. He can joke
about it if he wants to, but he's acting like one. And the fact of the matter is, but no check
from Congress, no check from Senate. He's got the Supreme Court in his back pocket.
And like today, the board of governors, and he filed that sister, where they say he can't do that.
But he is constantly just doing things.
And unfortunately, those around him are letting him do it.
And that's why we've got to be very clear here.
No, you're not setting national ground here.
You're not going to put young folks from around the other states that come in here and have a militarization of the streets of Chicago.
Yesterday, Roland, I saw an email that was sent to the students at Howard University that you probably saw, telling them because now the National Guard and because ICE agents are all in and out of campus, that students, be careful, don't walk out without your identification.
If you're driving a car, make sure everything's set on, have your insurance ready.
This kind of madness of this fascist is unbelievable, but the tragically is he can't do these things.
but he's doing them, and nobody is stopping him.
Right.
And again, this whole deal, oh, I wish you would call.
But you're the same person who cut $800 million in grants to deal with crime prevention.
And I was watching, you know, Joe Scarborough was questioning Mayor Brandon Johnson this morning.
And he was like, well, Mayor, I agree with you on the social services.
but wouldn't 5,000 new police help?
Well, first of all, let's be real clear.
And what's happening today in Chicago,
I was just literally just reading the piece that I wrote 11 years ago.
What's happening in Chicago today,
that's not what was happening 11 years ago.
Right.
And see, that's the thing.
These Republicans, you know, they throw out,
I remember when I kicked Philip from Indiana's butt,
and I was like, dude, you've never been in Chicago.
They use Chicago as the punching bag whenever they need to try to make their point about, oh, my God, how bad crime is.
Exactly.
And good point.
And, you know, and I'm certainly not going to sit here and say, we have Wakanda.
But the truth of the matter is violent crime is down and homicides are down and shootings are down.
We have showed, we've done some things together that have worked.
We got a good police chief now.
We in the sixth district here, we have worked so hard building a relationship between police
and citizens and young people and conversations out.
We see what's working.
We see what's working on intervention in the street.
So the craziness is we see things that are working and seeing crime coming down, and he cuts
off the money that helps those things continue and then wants to send in National Guard
to the very thing we're saying is never going to work.
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to Band-Aid for two months and have them on every corner making people living right
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You think some young people are not going to react to that and say, no, not here, not in my block.
And there's going to be some confrontation, which is what I think he wants. I think he wants
to provoke violence in Chicago because what he really has. Oh, he does. Oh. That's what he wants.
Yes.
Yeah, I recorded a podcast today here in Atlanta with Pastor Jamal Bryant, and it's literally what I said.
I said, Donald Trump, he desperately wants people to react.
And what I said to Pastor Bryant is that what has to happen, people, there has to be a nonviolent reaction to it.
Because, yeah, Trump is itching for what they call unrest.
In fact, if anybody looks at those orders of the Department of Defense, that's what he was focused on, the issue of civil unrest.
He wants to cancel the election, citing civil unrest.
And so if people are going to respond, it has to be a nonviolent reaction.
And I said this, Pastor Bryant, and here's his deal.
The group that has been doing something, some amazing work, whether it's these iced attentions, and also what he's doing, have been Catholic.
priests. Pope Leo has inspired Catholic priests to be more aggressive and bringing their moral
authority to challenge this thuggish administration. You're right, Ron. And two things we're saying
as one is we are going to have a calm coming out in the Tribune this coming Sunday. We're saying this
is the time for faith leaders in general, Muslims, Christians, and Jews to unite. We can have
our differences in our faith. But the foundations of all it is, is justice, its respective people,
it's the love of our sisters and brothers and the treatment of each other with justice.
That we're saying it's time to come together and make a strong front. And next week,
we're having two different days of trainings of a group of ministers we put together for
nonviolent resistance. This is a time to go back and bring out all that Dr. King taught us.
about civil disobedience, about non-violence resistance, and about standing up.
Because if we can't play into his hand exactly what you said, this is what he wants.
He wants some National Guard to get shot or some fight to break out with the National Guard
and folks in the community so they can send in National Guard.
And then the little control we have left from the people, he will now be able to control our neighborhoods.
Mayor Johnson put out this fact sheet.
The fact sheet went out August 25th.
It says Mayor Johnson's primary focus of his first two years in office has been driving
down violent crime in Chicago.
Since taking office, Chicago has recorded historic reductions in crime and violence as the Johnson
administration has implemented a holistic approach to community safety.
In the first six months of this year, Chicago has seen a 30% reduction in homicides and a 38%
reduction in shootings.
To improve police clearance rates, Mayor Johnson added detectives and restructured the
Detectives Bureau of the Chicago Police Department to more efficiently allocate resources.
The work has resulted in a citywide homicide clearance rate of 77.4% the highest and
more than a decade to address the root causes of violence.
Mayor Johnson has doubled the number of mental health professionals responding to mental
health crisis calls, expanding youth summer employment by 47% and enhanced partnerships
between police officers and community violence intervention groups, most recent year-to-date
statistics. Overall violent crime down 21.6 percent. Homicide, 32.3 percent. Overall shooting
incidents, 37.4 percent. Multi-victim shooting incidents, 44.6 percent. Robbery, 31.9 percent.
Vehicular hijacking, 49 percent. Aggravated assault, 18.1 percent. We see the same thing
in Baltimore. And what Trump is not doing in Governor Westmore said, hey, you want to see what
happening. Why don't you bring your butt over and see it? That's the issue that even national
media is not focused on. See, they're listening to Trump and running the soundbites. Well,
they're not saying it's, okay, how did y'all actually do it? Because that's the blueprint.
The blueprint of Joe Scarborough, the blueprint is not, hey, more cops. No, the blueprint is,
how did you achieve these reductions in violence? And how can we now redouble those efforts
so then so we can have overall shooting incidents, not down 37.4%, but down 75, 80%.
That's what makes sense, though, Rowan.
That's what the smart thing would be to say, hey, what's working in these different cities
that crime is coming down, violence is coming down, relationships are being built between
police and community, the street intervention is working.
How do we support this and take it all the way down?
use this, as you said, a blueprint for other cities, and particularly all these red cities
where violence is way higher than Chicago right now. But the truth of the matter is, he doesn't
give a damn about the violence. He doesn't give a damn of all that's going on the streets.
It's his political theater to go into Democratic states and states where there's a large
African-American communities that did not vote for him, that did not support him, and bring
in suppression, bring in fear, bring in chaos.
and then create this theater argument, well, I'm here to help.
You're not here to help because you don't want to know what's working.
All you want to do is come in and be the dictator in places where he's not been able to control yet.
And yes, the end game create the kind of chaos that will bring about violence.
He doesn't want to bring the violence down.
He wants to push the button of violence and bring it up and have people in the streets.
Questions from my panel?
Randy, you're first.
So when you talk about resistance,
we're talking about we have to get all our leaders together.
I mean, what does that look like for you?
Because we, to you, like, what do we need to like real action items
that we could take right now?
Because I think people are, we're talking in large,
you know, like these big ideas,
but I think people really are wanting a plan.
of action? Like, where do we start?
Well, I think what we're trying to do right now is, like, next week.
We're asking ministers and young people to come together and go through a training, first
of all. We've got to be prepared. So when they come in with an aggressive force,
we don't respond or we don't react to that. I think one of the problems we've had in the past
is we have spent too much time responding to what Trump is doing. Shame on us. We're
responding to a project 2025. We should have had our own project 2025 to put out to make
him respond to us. So in this circumstance, now, before they come in, what we want to do is train
people, train ministers, join together, come up. We have a two conference calls tomorrow,
come up with what idea is how, how, how, what is going to be our response? What is the best
kind of response that we can do collectively and together? And then make sure we're doing
training of our young people to be peer leaders on the streets of nonviolent resistance.
So I think it's the training. I think it's coming together. And now planning what kind of
resistance, what kind of civil disobedience, what kind of drawing the line and saying no,
will we decide it's going to be best to show our point?
That's fantastic. Joe.
So empowering people to resist. Thank you.
Thank you, Reverend Flair. Appreciate seeing you.
Hank, I didn't get to meet you all those years
ago when I was in Northwestern law. Maybe we'll check
the box sometime. But you've
been through a lot of hills and valleys
doing what you've been
doing. So tell me how
you encourage your parish now.
Because of the hills and valleys
you've seen days in Chicago
where, of course, crime was a problem, but police
relations was a problem as well.
That seems to have improved on some level.
How do you encourage
them showing
them, reminding them what's good, reminding them to be uplifted and inspired with what seems
to be trying to bear down on them, despite the fact that it seems like with what's going on
internally, there's a lot of good news. So how do you encourage your parish in a way, hopefully
we're looking over your shoulder right now, so we can draw from that as well?
Well, I think a number of things.
I think, first of all, we have to be our perspective.
We have to make sure we make clear, no, this is not the time to get overwhelmed.
This is not the time to, you know, be depressed, to be down about what's happening.
You know, people say, I just can't take anymore.
I don't want to watch the news.
I don't want to listen to it.
No, this is not the time to retreat.
This is the time to say, what is this faith that we've been that we've been growing up?
you. What is this faith that we've been proclaiming and singing about and preaching about and
teaching about? This is the time in darkness when we recognize, as I told Sunday, it's when
you turn on the light. Well, who's the light? We are. We're the light of the world, not to be
hidden. So this is the time for us to shine. This is the time for us to come together and know
who we are. We are the more than overcomers. We are with the he and us who's greater than the
Well, this is the time to put legs on our feet and make sure that we are living it every day.
In our workplaces, on the street corners, and our schools, this is the time for our faith to shine bright.
This is the time to recognize what we say we believe now it's rubber hits the road.
Do we believe that God power is greater than man's power?
Do we believe that our faith is greater?
Do we believe we're more than our overcomers?
If so, let's act like it, let's walk like it.
talk like it, and don't miss the opportunity. And that's what I keep telling the multi-faith
leaders, this is a time to come together from Christian, Muslim, Jew, Baha, sheikh, whatever you may be,
and say, and all our holy books, the Quran, the Torah, the Bible. We have a foundation of
beliefs that we all join one in. Let's come together where we join one in. Let's stand up together,
and let's set a model for the country, this is an opportunity for us.
Don't not just look at what this idiot is doing.
This is an opportunity for us to shine brightly and to take back the narrative as the Christian church.
We have been too quiet for too long and allowed the crazy right-wing evangelicals to become the new spokesperson of Christianity.
That ain't Christianity.
That's not Jesus.
That is created Christianity.
Now it's time for the real Christianity to stand up, be tall, be strong, be bold, and be unashamed about it.
Amen. Thank you, sir.
Mustafa.
Reverend Fleger, you make me want to go back to service right now instead of wait until Sunday.
I want to thank you for your leadership.
Hazel Johnson was one of my early mentors over in Oak Hill Gardens.
So that's where I learned my social justice work.
You know, she would often help to point out the beauty of Chicago.
Now, folks will often demonize our communities and paint them in the vision that they have.
You've spent a lot of time in Chicago.
Can you share, let people see through your eyes the beauty that actually exists in Chicago
and why we need to stand up and fight for it?
Well, I think one of the beauties is that Chicago really is, I know, logistically, we're in the heart of America.
But I think Chicago really does have the heart.
It's real.
It's a big city with a little city feeling.
We have this beauty of different neighborhoods, of rich cultures from the Chinatown to the Puerto Rican community, to the Mexican community, to the out of west here is the Muslim community and the little Palestine.
And we have all these great, wonderful communities that oftentimes allowed to be taken.
to be separated for one another.
But I see, again, I think that the trial and trouble and persecution is the time to take
advantage of what we do have, what we do know, and to rise up.
I think we can be a real model to the country because the realness of what Chicago is.
Chicago is just what you see is what you can.
And there's a beauty of not only the cultures here, the beauty of the end of they talk
about the lakefront and they talk about the restaurants.
But to me, the real beauty of Chicago is the communities, the neighborhoods.
As Ms. Jones on her porch, it's Uncle John sitting at the corner or at the barbershop on Saturday
mornings, listening to Push with 15 guys in the barbershop.
It's still there.
It still exists.
It's the time to shine and show who we really are, come together, be strong.
And I think the best days of Chicago can be ahead of us if we use this crazy, fascist,
movement to make it the opportunity for us to really come together and make the best of Chicago.
I'll say this here, and I think this needs to happen in D.C. You talk about the faith community.
You want to sit here and challenge these folks. Imagine if 1,000 Christians are lined up shoulder to the shoulder,
where these national guard members are standing there,
holding their Bibles and chanting affirmations
or singing freedom songs like SNCC did as well
and looking them in their eye.
See, to me, to me, that's sort of the movement that's to happen.
Oh, oh, Secretary of Defense Pete Hex-Seth,
you think you are super Christian?
Yeah, let's see a thousand, let's see a thousand black Christians
look you in your eye, calling you out.
And so, you know, when I think about Dr. King,
who was being taught the nonviolence issue by Byrd Rustin,
and of course, of course, my man, Reverend Nelson,
and when you think about all of these people,
when you think about the folks who are putting the work in,
that to me is important.
When you think about, I'm sorry, Jim Lawson, when you think about Jim Lawson, who went to prison, he could have got a deferment because he was in seminary.
He chose to go to prison because he said he did not believe in war to that extent and was not going to tell.
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It's like your mental
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That's right. There you go. There you go. That's what's got to happen.
Father Flager, always a pleasure to chat with you. Yes, sir.
Yes, sir, absolutely. Keep us abreast of what happens. We're right there with you.
Appreciate you. Much love, Rowan. Thank you, all.
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Well, I've told you out numerous times
how much of a liar at Donald Trump is, and of course
that we're seeing that, where he
just lied and lied about, oh, how Governor Westmore was praising him and saying how he's the
greatest president ever. And then these idiots at Fox News thought they had the video saying,
oh, we got it, we got it. It proves what Trump said is correct. No, it doesn't. Roll it.
This, a bit of, he said, she said, brewing between President Trump and Maryland Democrat Governor
Westmore.
I met him at the Army Navy game.
They said, oh, there's Governor Moore. He'd love to see you.
He came over to me, hugged me, shook my hand.
You were there.
He said, sir, you're the greatest president of my lifetime.
I said, but it's really nice that you say that.
I'd love you to say it publicly, but I don't think you can do that, so it's okay.
And then every time I see him on television, he's knocking the hell out of me,
but that's all right.
It's called politics.
Knockin the hell out of him.
Westmore is posting on social media saying that President Trump can't walk,
but maybe he should walk the streets of Baltimore.
didn't take him long to respond to the president there in the Oval Office.
He said, L.O.L. Keep telling yourself that, Mr. President.
It'd be wild, though. If only we had the footage that President Trump had referenced about the meeting at the Army-Navy game.
And thanks to the Art of the Surge on Fox Nation, we have the footage.
The president's welcome back to Maryland, sir.
Welcome back to Maryland. It's good to see you.
It's a good person, too.
Thank you, sir. Great to see you. Great to have you back.
Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Well, we are very, very anxious to be able to work closely with you.
And I know the Key Bridge is something that we're...
How is that going?
It's going well.
I mean, we spoke to Speaker Johnson yesterday, and Speaker Johnson says he believes that we're close to the 100% cost share.
And the thing is I told them, when we get that 100% cost share done, we are going to be able to open the key bridge.
I'll need a watch.
Because I will have it done in 28.
On time and home budget.
We'll help you get up.
Thank you, sir.
We didn't hear their greatest president ever, but we did hear a lot of enthusiasm and so excited to meet you, Mr. President.
Who's telling the truth? We'll let you decide.
Now, I don't tell y'all Will Kane is stupid.
That was literally the dumbest shit ever heard of my life.
Who's telling the truth? We'll let you decide.
Idiot.
What Donald Trump said happened is an absolute lie.
Will King, you kiss more Trump-ass than Melania.
I told y'all that boy ain't smart.
We'll let you decide?
Well, you know, we didn't hear the greater presence ever,
but we hear lots of, you know, great to see you.
He's the governor of the state, dumbass.
That's what governors do.
No different than when Gavin Newsom went to the tarmac
when Trump came there after the fires.
Like, what the hell is what?
these. Fox News literally is stupid people television. It's stupid people television. The host on that
network, they are liars. They will cover, Donald Trump could kill a thousand people and they
will cover for him to say, oh, no, they all had it coming. Wilcane, you know better. But you've got
to kiss so much Trump ass to kiss your check. Just like Sean Hannity.
and Laura Ingram and all the rest of the people on that network,
that's why you idiots had to pay $787 million to Dominion
because you lied about the election in 2020.
And then you got another lawsuit against you,
and I hope they get billions out of you because y'all are liars.
I mean, my goodness, Joe, how stupid can you be to say,
well, we'll let you decide who's telling the truth?
I'm Noah, I'm 13, and as you might have seen from the news, I got a podcast, and I explain those fake headlines like your uncle would, like your cousin would if he actually did the research.
Honestly, adults don't ask the right questions.
Now you know with Noah de Barroso is a show about influence.
Who's got it, how they use it, and what it means for the rest of you.
It's not the news.
It's what the news should be if someone Gen Z or Gen Alpha made it when I'm watching everything.
The majority of the youth, 18 through 24, say they trust Republicans more than Democrats from the economy.
You kidding.
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You just showed Trump lying, and the video you showed does not contradict Governor
Westmore said he's lying, but ignorant, dumb Will Kang goes, we'll let you decide.
It really doesn't have to be deep.
Trump says that Governor Westmore said X.
You run the tape.
like you're really doing something.
And Westmore doesn't say what President says he says.
That's the end of the story.
Mr. President, he said you said this.
You said he said this.
And he didn't.
Here's the tape.
Why would you say that?
As opposed to, well, okay, he didn't say that.
You know, moving target.
You know, moving target.
Lower the standards.
Well, he didn't say that.
But, but boy, he sure was complimentary.
Well, you know.
Some of us don't, you know, start battles unless they happen.
Don't start, none won't be none.
A president is supposed to be, governors and presidents are supposed to be cordial.
Mayors and governors are supposed to be cordial to the extent that they can be.
You can have political differences but still greet each other in a football game.
So, yeah, to your point, it's crazy how he can totally lie, not tell the truth, at all.
And it's okay.
It's okay with, quote, journalists, people that are supposed to check vote for truth.
People that are supposed to put a mic in front of somebody and said, you said this happened and it actually didn't, and we've got the tape, we've got the receipt.
What does this say about you?
What does this say about your character?
Why should people disagree or agree with you or believe you when you say X, Y, or C?
So it shows you where we are now.
It shows you, you know, what's happened with the media and how far.
far it's move. It shows you the whole
Fox thing. It doesn't matter
what the president actually says and
whether he tells the truth or not. They're going to still
gloss over it, cover it up,
et cetera.
And so,
if they do that,
when you can show something to be
demonstrably false by your own tape,
and you still run the tape,
and interpret
it a different way.
What do you do with that?
Randy, here's a
Will.
Randy, here's what Will King should have said.
We're SICO fans, we kiss his ass, so you decide.
That's what he should have said.
But, you know, he's going to get away with what he did.
Because the one thing about him leaning towards Trump
and kissing his ass more than Melania, as you said, which is hilarious,
is that so do the people who watch Fox.
So they will look at that tape and say, I mean, they literally will say,
oh, no, he said it.
Trump was not lying because I see.
saw the tape. And even though the tape didn't say that, they will make that conclusion because
that's what they want to believe about their felon in charge. So yeah, I mean, he gets away
with lying so much because he has a bunch of dumb people following him. And then we have seen
the complete crumbling of journalism, which is such a vital part of, you know, maintaining a democracy
so people can make real decisions. But, you know, because we have now have this yellow journalism,
and they really are just going to say
whatever they have to say to uphold their leader,
you know, there is nothing that's non-biased.
So, yeah, it is sad.
I mean, the whole Fox engine is scary,
but effective.
I mean, Mustafa, Will Keynes, hey, we have the tape.
Oh, my God, this is awesome.
Well, it doesn't really show him saying that,
you know, you're the greatest president of my life,
time. But, ooh, boy, they were cordial. There were such greetings. Well, that's part of the
problem for Fox News. They're so used to this MAGA idiot being so disrespectful and nasty
that they forgot what is like when you have a president or occupant of the Oval Office who
knows how to be cordial to a mayor or a governor and who doesn't chastise them and call
names in their face, like the uncouth individual who Will Kane loves to kiss his ass, kiss
the ass of.
Yeah, you know, you've got some hosts out there who evidently just don't do the work, right?
You know, you got hosts who just take a script and just move forward and have no real, you know,
connection to the information that they're actually, you know, sharing.
So it really looks like that.
It's like you don't know what's coming up.
You don't know what's inside the clip.
And then you try and smooth it over.
So, you know, maybe Fox just needs to actually make sure that the individual that stay higher actually have the chops to do the job.
But, you know, that's for them to decide.
I don't watch Fox News.
No, no, no, Fox execs like lying.
They allow lying.
They encourage lying.
They tolerate lying.
their whole network is built on lies
well I get that
I mean I know it's all about misinformation
we talk about it on the show
and that's how they thrive
because they understand that most people
are not going to do any research on it
they're not going to think critically about
what is being shared so
that is you know that is just what it is
you know for other folks
I hope that they're actually going to
deal a deeper analysis when somebody says
something actually check it out for yourself
and make sure that there's real
truth and what's being shared, and that's for all media. I was just going to say that I've been
out with presidents before, so it is about a level of decorum. It is about, you know, making sure
that you are showing a level of respect. I've seen governors of different parties meeting with
presidents, and that's what they do, because that's what you're supposed to do. So for them to try and
twist it and do all these other types of things, once again, it's just a part of the disinformation and
misinformation that they think is what folks are going to tolerate. And unfortunately, we do see
that sometimes. And that's why this network or other trusted sources, you need to be tuning in there
because if not, you'll just get caught up in this whirlpool of lies and information that is
not helpful to the real issues that we should be talking about.
folks these people will lie about lies that's who they are they are scared to call balls and strikes
and i can guarantee you if president joe biden has said what trump said and they had the video
contradicting that they would have been like sleepy joe lies but they will never call out the
lies of don't trump that's why i wouldn't watch that trash network you're watching
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Hey, Saras, I need to go to Tyler Perry and get another blueprint
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The only way I can do what I'm doing, I need to make sure money.
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Today, though, we're talking about John Towns Barbecue.
It begins a cherished family recipe, slow-smoked and passed down through generations.
Now, Lafay Begis is taking that legacy from backyard pits to store shelves nationwide.
It's a story of family flavor and black entrepreneurship.
Lafay is the president and CEO, John Towns Barbecue.
Hey, man, how you doing?
Doing well.
How are you?
Doing great.
So the origin of John Tom's, okay, where does the name come from?
John Tom is my grandpa.
It's his first and middle name.
and it's what his family affectionately called him.
They were southern from Mississippi, so they pronounced it Joan Tone.
But yes, John Tom is his first and middle name.
He had created a barbecue.
I'm sorry.
No, no, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
No, I was just going to say he had created a barbecue sauce.
I think before I was born.
And he, so I grew up with this barbecue.
sauce, the whole family did. And he took it to the grave with them. We realized that when
he passed away, that there was no recipe. He never wrote it down. So that's kind of how I got
involved. When I was in college, I just decided that I was going to try to recreate or reverse
engineer his recipe just based off of memory of what he put in it. But I had no formula. So that's
how I got here.
Got it.
And so how did you piece it back together?
How did you, and how did you, I mean, were you talking to other family members, were
trying to get people to remember watching him actually do it?
How did you do that?
So I spent significant time with my grandfather when I was younger.
And so I was there most of the times when he would make it.
But, yeah, you're correct.
My aunties, I called him and I told him I had this idea to try to make his sauce.
And so I wrote down what I remember, and then I asked them if it was something I was missing.
So they told me what I was missing, and I just went to the store and start throwing stuff in a pot.
Roland, this went on for nearly five years.
It became a hobby of mine.
I didn't get quite get his recipe, but I came up with something that I was pretty proud of,
and I let people taste it.
They loved it.
And so I never thought I would start a business.
It was just a hobby.
But I guess enough people convinced me that I needed to do something with this sauce that I had, and then I did.
All right.
Then all of a sudden, until you did the sauce, and then what was next?
What caused you to say, all right, you know what?
I want to now take this thing national.
I want to make it a product for other people to taste.
So I was living in Milwaukee, and I was a television news reporter at one of the news stations there.
And our general manager walked into the newsroom one day and gave it to us direct,
told us that they were stopping news operations and that all the on-air talent would be losing our jobs.
And so that's when I decided, you know, really thought about which direction I wanted to go.
I always, I kind of thought in the back of my head that starting a barbecue sauce business is something that I could do when I retire, right, when I would have time.
But when I was told that we were losing our jobs, I really started to think,
Why not now?
So I thought about it for a few weeks and landed on the decision that I wanted to do that.
I wanted to move back to my hometown and start this business.
I just had one person to get that by, and that was my wife.
She didn't know I was thinking about this.
So I approached her, and I said, don't think I'm crazy, but what do you think if we move back to our hometown,
and I start this barbecue sauce business?
And without hesitation, she said, let's do it.
So once I got her blessing, it was just full steam ahead.
I have two business partners.
One of them is my first cousin.
He shares the same grandpa.
And he called me one night just checking on me because he knew I was losing my job.
And I shared with him that I was going to start this business.
And as he said, Cush, you need some help.
And I said, I do.
And he has a marketing background.
And then I, you know, I said, one more person I want to pull into this if we're going to do it.
And that was my best friend, Rodney Robinson.
My cousin's name is Terrell Cooper.
So I approached Rodney with it.
He tasted it and was immediately in.
He said, I'm in.
And so that was our team.
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so
look oftentimes in our segment
we often talk with folks
about the product
and they're selling it and want people to buy it.
But a lot of people just don't understand when you start talking about a product like this here.
I mean, you talk about labeling, how is it preserved, where do you manufacture it all those different things, cost of product, what type of bottle, size of vital, bottle, cost, all this sort of stuff.
And so when you were doing your market research, what was that like?
and also where do you manufacture your barbecue sauce?
Okay, so doing the research, we quickly realized that the barbecue sauce sector is pretty
oversaturated.
There's a million and one.
Oh, yeah, it's a whole, it's a whole lot of barbecue sauces out there.
A lot of them.
And so at first, when we try to figure out, okay, so how do we, where do we make?
this. Back then, kitchen incubators were just starting to pop up, shared kitchens.
And so we found one in Indiana, and, you know, we went. They trained us how to take my little
kitchen recipe and scale that up a little bit. It was an FDA-approved facility, so we could,
you know, we could sell it to the public. And then eventually, when we outgrew that, we got
on with a co-packer, which is a facility that they take our repeat. They scale it up very, very big.
And then, you know, from there, they handle all the production from A to Z. They, you know,
from the labels to the bottles, making the product. And then once that's done, they ship it to
my warehouse and my distributors. They pick off of our inventory.
all right then questions from the panel let's see here we'll stop for you first yeah well
congratulations i see that who's your heat and the sneaky hot i'm wondering which one of them
brings the most fire uh the who's your heat the who's your heat brings the most fire um the sneaky
hot it's crazy because when we first started i had two flavors and that was the original and the
sneaky hot. The sneaky hot,
my
first crack at it was
much spicier than it is now.
And I got some
feedback from
someone that said, hey, look, man, you live in
Indiana, you might want to scale that down.
So I did. But
over the years,
people's palate started changing
and they were asking for
a spicier version. So
we delivered and we created
the Hoosier heat. It's not
crazy hot. It's not like
ghost pepper, habanero, but
I think it's a perfect heat to
complement the flavor.
Randy.
As a fellow
entrepreneur, I know that there
are ups and downs when it
comes to running and owning a business.
What lesson did
you get from your grandfather
that he either told you directly or you
saw from observing him that
helped you with your business today that honors him?
Great question. My grandfather was the hardest worker. He and his family, they were, they were
all from Mississippi. They migrated up north, just looking for better opportunities. And he just
brought with him this, this work ethic. He had plots of land around the city where he was
He would maintain about three or four gardens, would have me up on the weekends in the garden,
picking weeds and picking beans and tomatoes.
I saw my grandfather, like, really work hard.
And the things that he did, he was always passionate about.
Barbecue was his, it was his passion.
Before it was trendy, smoking meat and making barbecue sauce.
And so I grew up around that.
I grew up very close to my grandfather.
So, you know, and it's funny because my family say I act like them.
So I was taking all those cues, not knowing I was, but I was taking a lot of cues from him growing up.
I salute you.
Congratulations.
I know your grandfather would be extremely proud.
Yeah, I always say I just wish he could see him.
Joe?
Yeah, we went kind of a different direction.
And instead of really going retail hard, we decided to go after, like, your food service accounts.
So most major sporting venues in Indiana, you'll find our barbecue sauce there.
So if you go to a Colts game, we're there.
If you go to a Pacer's fever game, we're there.
If you go to Notre Dame game, Purdue, IU, Ball State, we're there.
So we kind of chose that lane because we saw nobody else you had a barbecue sauce doing that.
So those are the kind of accounts that we go after.
Fantastic.
Joe?
Great.
Congratulations on everything that you're doing.
I was looking on the list there, and I saw that you guys are just about everywhere in Indiana.
I've got a daughter in Louisville, Kentucky.
So let me know if and when you guys have any plans to get across state lines.
Yes, absolutely.
I will do.
We actually did an activation at Churchill Downs on the anniversary.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
So we were fortunate and blessed enough to have our sauce there for that running.
But yeah, that's one thing that we're really doing is starting across those state borders
and become more of a regional presence.
Excellent. Congratulations.
Thank you.
All right then.
So, folks, check out the product.
John Tom's Barbecue.
It's on shop, blackstar network.com.
Give me a shout of it again.
This is the live look of the shot.
We have it there on our news desk.
This is the website right here.
So you go to shop, blackstar network.com.
This is where the bottles look like in real time.
Let's now go to the website.
So if you go to Shop Blackstar Network,
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You can try the barbecue sauces,
four different sauces there,
and we certainly want y'all to try those
and, of course, other products as well.
A bad, man, we appreciate it.
Good luck with the company, and thanks a lot.
Thank you. Thanks for having me on.
All right, appreciate it. Thanks a bunch.
All right, folks, final story of the day.
Oh, Lord, the crackers are now happy.
because Cracker Bear has now cracked.
So pull up the tweet.
Cracker Barrel, y'all, you know,
Donald Trump, of course, complained,
said they should go back to their old logo.
And they said, we thank our guests for sharing your voices
and love for Cracker Barrel.
We say we will listen and we have.
Our new logo is going away and our old timer will remain.
And Cracker Barrel, it's always been and always will be
about serving up delicious food, warm welcomes,
and the kind of country hospitality
that feels like family.
As a proud American institution,
our 70,000 hardworking employees
look forward to welcoming you to our table.
So they are so happy that the white man is back
sitting next to the barrel in his comfortable chair.
Oh, Randy, what shall we do?
I've had a time enjoying
watching their meltdowns. I mean, these kind of things matter a lot to these people.
They have, when they uncrackered that barrel, people were upset. But you know, I tried to get some
sympathy. I did a video about it. You know, they first took away the rumor they had the indigenous
woman on Landl Lake's butter and they took her away. And I, you know, read how people were
upset about them taking the Indian maiden. That's what they were calling her. Then you think about
they took Antriman away. They took Uncle Ben.
the guy on Uncle Ben's, you know, so, I mean, they have gone, we do have to have some sympathy
because these folks have had to go through a lot as they have created a world that's more
respectful of other people. And, you know, when you're used to being and think of yourself
as the only, when you're used to being privileged, when you don't get your way, it feels like
oppression. They're having a hard time, hard time. I have been absolutely tickled by watching their
responses.
What are we going to do, Joe, Crackle Barrow Cracked?
Well, you know, I wasn't much for pulling up on Cracker Barrow anyway, but, you know,
I'd rather go to a nice local country cooking type of spot.
There's plenty of them right now.
I'll go ahead and shout out Pat's Place in San Bernardino.
They're doing their thing.
Check them out.
You don't have to go to Cracker Barrel.
you know and and and and and there's there's nobody on the sign okay and a brother owns it okay so just do that
all right or or just anywhere USA just put them in the chat right now the place you want to go
instead of crack a barrel they're trying to hold on to this white cat you know because again you know it's
2042 2043 to get ready to be out number so the the least we can do is keep them on the keep
the barrel and the and the white guy on the sign okay you go ahead and do that but I'll
I'll go to Pat's place or I'll go to this place and that place, hell, it might even go to KFC or Popeyes.
Okay, there's other stuff you can do.
You don't have to go to Cracker Bell.
You don't have to stand for this, okay?
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Life is going to go on.
I want everybody to be encouraged that regardless of who's on the sign, it doesn't mean that you have to go.
So go on and pull up somewhere else and do that thing.
God bless you.
Joe.
I'm going to stop.
I'm sorry, go ahead, Randy.
Well, I'm just saying where can they go because they want to feel like it's the good old days.
They want to go to the days where it's the good old days, you know, they want to make America great again.
Right.
Yeah.
Right.
They need places like that.
Yes, it's hard.
I mean, you know, but, you know, sometimes it goes down.
And so, you know, I guess you can always close your eyes and keep tunnel vision on on Fox News and get your cracker barrel to go.
And then you can watch it.
and then everything can be good.
But hey, you know, the rest of us don't have to go,
so we'll see how Crackle Barrow actually does.
They probably did their marketing change for a reason, right?
It's not because things were going as great as they needed to be necessarily,
probably because they wanted to grow.
Somebody wanted to turn the corner.
Somebody's thought.
But we'll see what's happening.
I'm not going to lose a whole lot of sleep over one way or the other.
You know, let's switch gears and keep it moving forward.
things are still changing around you regardless of what you put on the
regardless of whether you've got the white guy on the barrel in the wall
things are changing and that's just where it is
I literally don't give
a damn Mustafa
about no crack a barrel logo
right
yeah I'm right there with you
I was going to say crack a barrel
crack a barrel crack a barrel
all those millions of dollars
that still get a barrel
do what you
Yeah, you know,
Cracker, you know, that words
a little bit of a turn off, dare I say,
you know, so maybe I'd go
somewhere else anyway.
Mustafa, I'll go with you comment.
I already said what I had to say.
Cracker Barrel, Cracker Barrel, Cracker Barrel.
So it's just not.
I'm, I'm, I'm gonna go Chris Rock.
Oh, Cracker, Cracker, Cracker, Cracker, Cracker, Cracker.
All right, y'all, control, the job did y'all get?
I saw, I saw these three different takes on the Cracker Barrel logo.
Oh, my God, I thought it was hilarious.
I'm going to start with the Waffle House one first.
So let me know when y'all got the Waffle House.
These three are hilarious, y'all.
I saw them, and I said, and again, I don't give two shits.
I don't give one.
I don't give a point.
I don't give a point five.
So this I thought was pretty cool.
Waffle House, we throw hands.
So I thought that was a pretty good one right there.
Let's see.
Show the next one.
Release the files.
I thought that one was pretty good.
And the last one, y'all, because remember these logos were removed.
and the white folks been so mad
so the black man on the cream of wheat
ain't your mama, the Indian
woman on Landy Lakes and Uncle Ben
and then
it says, welcome Cracker
just coming to say hi, I'm a head
back now. Oh my goodness
that one was just too funny.
Yeah, that one was
just too funny.
And there we go.
My goodness, my goodness, my goodness.
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Joe, let me think Randy, let me think
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