#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Trump tries to invalidate election; CDC says no Thanksgiving travel; Why do Black Repubs support #45

Episode Date: November 21, 2020

11.20.20 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Trump tries to invalidate election, meets with Michigan leaders; Georgia, the Secretary of State certifies the votes making Biden's victory official; Veterans are ask...ing Raphael Warnock to drop out of the race; Pfizer formally asked U.S. regulators to allow emergency use of its COVID-19 vaccine; CDC warns against Thanksgiving travel; People's Campaign is organizing Moral Monday caravans at statehouses across the country to mourn the quarter-million Americans who have died from COVID-19; Why do Black Repbus support #45? Updates on the deaths of Quawan "Bobby Charles of Louisiana and Deon Kay of Washington, DC; Crazy a$$ refused to wear her mask and It didn't turn out well.Support #RolandMartinUnfiltered via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered #RolandMartinUnfiltered Partner: Ceek Whether you’re a music enthusiast or an ultra-base lover. CEEK’s newly released headphones hear sound above, below and from multiple directions unlike traditional headphones where users only hear sound from left and right speakers. Be the first to own the world's first 4D, 360 Audio Headphones and mobile VR Headset. Check it out on www.ceek.com and use the promo code RMVIP2020 #RolandMartinUnfiltered is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:38 Folks, Donald Trump loses Georgia again. Republican Secretary of State declares the state for Joe Biden. The Trump people simply can't get over it. Trump also met with Michigan lawmakers at the White House today. He actually wants them to overturn the will of the people in Michigan.
Starting point is 00:02:55 Pimp, that's not going to happen. And wait till I see you. He actually came out of hiding only the second time he's talked since he lost on November 3rd. Y'all, he sounded so pitiful. And you know I have to play his whining. Because, yeah, there's nothing like playing the whining of a 74-year-old grown-ass man.
Starting point is 00:03:14 Speaking of Georgia, dozens of veterans are asking Pastor Raphael Warnock to drop out of the race because of that ridiculous ad Republicans are pushing around. Even Senator Kelly Loeffler got to a back and forth with Congressman Ilhan Omar about that. Wait until you tell we tell you about that. Also, Pfizer formally asked U.S. regulators to allow emergency use of its COVID-19 vaccine. The CDC warns against Thanksgiving travel and gathering of families. Plus, the People's Campaign is the people's People's Campaign is organizing more Monday caravans at state houses across the country
Starting point is 00:03:48 to mourn the quarter million Americans who have died from COVID-19. We will talk with one of the organizers. Also, we'll talk about why Black Republicans support Donald Trump. Well, we know why, because they're clueless. In our Education Matters segment, Jeffrey Canada will join us
Starting point is 00:04:02 to talk about the impact COVID-19 is having on the education of our children. Plus, updates on the deaths of Quan of Bobby Charles in Louisiana and Dionne Kaye of Washington, D.C. Plus, we'll show you the crazy-ass white woman who refuses to wear her mask. Yeah, it didn't turn out so well for her. It's time to bring the funk. I'm rolling Martin Unfiltered. Let's go. With entertainment just for kicks He's rolling Yeah, yeah It's on go-go-go, y'all Yeah, yeah It's rolling, Martin Yeah, yeah
Starting point is 00:04:54 Rolling with rolling now Yeah, yeah He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best You know he's rolling, Martin Now He's real, the best you know. He's rolling, Martin. Martin. Oh, the whining, crying Donald Trump, the big loser, summoned Michigan's Republican leaders to the White House today for a meeting. He is desperate to overthrow the results in the state where he lost to Joe Biden. Senate, Michigan Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirky and House Speaker Lee Chadfield both
Starting point is 00:05:32 agreed to go, but were pretty close miles about why they were there. Sharkey got questioned by some folks on his way to the airport. Then also he got met by some protesters when he got to D.C. Y'all watch this. Senator Sturkey, why are you meeting with President Trump today? I was just having a delightful trip to Washington, D.C. today. And you're meeting with President Trump, is that correct? That's a good possibility. What will you be talking about with President Trump?
Starting point is 00:06:02 I won't be sharing anything else with you right now. Thank you. Are you talking to President Trump about I won't be sharing anything else with you right now. Thank you. Are you talking to President Trump about overthrowing the will of Michigan voters? There's a bunch of safe protesters out there who are going to start harassing you guys. Senator Shirky? Thank you. Senator Shirky, did Joe Biden win this election? Appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:06:19 It's my pleasure to have you here. Did Joe Biden win this election? Should President Trump concede? It's my police. Did Joe Biden win this election? Should President Trump concede? Time has surrendered and there is no more. I will cling to the old. What are you meeting with President Trump about, Senator Shirky? Senator Shirky, what are you meeting with President Trump about? Senator Shirky, do you believe that the will of the Michigan voters should be honored? Will you honor the will of the Michigan voters?
Starting point is 00:07:02 Will you honor the will of the Michigan voters, Senator Shirky? Senator Shirky, do you believe in democracy? Do you believe that 150,000 votes were fraudulent? Senator Shirky, do you believe that the will of the Michigan voters should be honored? Will you honor the will of the Michigan voters? Why you're not in Michigan dealing with COVID? All right, so you heard those protesters there. This was another angle.
Starting point is 00:07:26 Go to my iPad, please, of the protesters. Will you honor the will of the Michigan voter? Will you honor the will of the Michigan voter? Will you honor the will of the Michigan voter? Will you honor the will of the Michigan voter? Will you honor the will of the Michigan voter? Will you believe that 150,000 votes were fraudulently cracked? Where is the evidence of fraud? Shame on you! Why have you been presented in court?
Starting point is 00:08:02 Shame on you! Shame on you! Shame on you! Certify the results! Certify the results! Where is the evidence of fraud? Is there any evidence of fraud? Certify the results! Is there?
Starting point is 00:08:16 Certify the results! You should be embarrassed with yourself. Respect Michigan voters! Respect Michigan voters! Where is the evidence of fraud? Where is the evidence of fraud? Respect the will. Respect Michigan voters. Respect Michigan voters. Respect Michigan voters. Where is the evidence of fraud? Now the song he was singing was one of someone being persecuted. Yeah, dude, right.
Starting point is 00:08:35 So Donald Trump decided to come out of hiding from his bunker and to have a briefing to talk about coronavirus and, of course, the vaccine. But y'all know the grown ass baby couldn't help himself. Listen to the whining and the lying that took place today. American people have been abused by big pharma and their army of lawyers, lobbyists and bought and paid for politicians. But I've been loyal to the special interests. I've been loyal to our patients and our people that need drugs, prescription drugs, and devoted myself to completely fighting for the American people. You see that?
Starting point is 00:09:12 This is not an easy thing to do. Big pharma ran millions of dollars of negative advertisements against me during the campaign, which I won, by the way. But I'm not going to deny that. This is not an easy thing to do. Big Pharma ran millions of dollars of negative advertisements against me during the campaign, which I won, by the way, but, you know, we'll find that out. Almost 74 million votes. We had Big Pharma against us. We had the media against us. We had big tech against us. We had a lot of dishonesty against us. But big pharma alone ran millions and millions of dollars in ads. In fact, I looked at it and said, who is it? They, I've never seen
Starting point is 00:09:53 anything quite like it because I told them I'm going to have to do this. You know, I was put here to do a job. And Pfizer and others were way ahead on vaccines. You wouldn't have a vaccine if it weren't for me for another four years because FDA would have never been able to do what they did, what I forced them to do. And Pfizer and others even decided to not assess the results of their vaccine. In other words, not come out with a vaccine until just after the election. That's because of what I did with favored nations and these other elements instead of their original plan to assess the data in October. So they were going to come out in October, but they decided to delay it because of what I'm doing, which is fine with me because frankly, this is just a very big thing. Oh, ain't that so sad. All right, here we do this here. I want you to
Starting point is 00:10:46 re queue that up and I want you to put us in a split screen and service going to go ahead for y'all. And, um, again, I'm going to translate, uh, Donald Trump, uh, and what he had to say, uh, in that news conference. Let me know when we are ready to do that, because that was just quite cute there. Listen to him whine and moan and complain. So let me know. I want to cue that back. So put us up at the same time. Let's go ahead and play that. American people have been abused by big pharma and their army of lawyers, lobbyists, and bought and paid for politicians. Ohists, and bought and paid for politicians. Oh, they're bought and paid for. But I've been loyal to the special. No, leave it going. Leave
Starting point is 00:11:31 it going. I've been loyal to the special interest. Now, he likes special interest, but now he's complaining about the special interest. Really? To completely fighting for the American people. Yeah, I fought for y'all. It was me. It was just me. It wasn't easy. Easy. Look at Big Pharma. That's why I lost. They ran ads against me.
Starting point is 00:11:52 Which I won, by the way. Oh, which I won, by the way, which actually I lost. I got my ass whooped by Joe Biden. Oh, I got 74 million votes. Oh, but he got almost 80 million votes. Look at that. The media was against me. Oh, the media who I used to suck up to. I don't know. The media against us. Look at that. The media was against me. The media who I used to suck up to.
Starting point is 00:12:06 A lot of dishonesty against us. I don't know. Everybody was against me. But Big Pharma alone ran millions of millions of dollars. Big Pharma was against me. Thank you. Me, no vaccine without me, no vaccine without me. Turn it up. Their vaccine, in other words, not come out with a vaccine until just after the election. Look at them.
Starting point is 00:13:01 They came out with a vaccine after the election. They cost for the election. Damn you, Pfizer. They screwed me. Me, me. I saved the world. Look at that. This is just a big thing.
Starting point is 00:13:21 This is me. Everybody screwed me. They screwed me. How dare they? I saved the world. What's wrong with y'all? What's wrong? I saved the world. And y'all throwing me out? Damn all of you. Idiot. Quadricos Driscoll, adjunct professor. George Washington University, Dr. Neombe Carter, Department of Political Science, Howard University. Michael M. Hotep hosts the African History Network show.
Starting point is 00:13:57 Boy, that's a lot of bitching and whining there. That just, I mean, I mean, they did it. They come up with a vaccine before the election. I would have won, but everybody was against me. Big Pharma, the media, everybody was against me. But I got 74 million votes. I won. New math, which means that the person who got fewer votes wins.
Starting point is 00:14:21 Well, I mean, that is possible in our electoral system, but it just also happens that the person who had five more votes than him and more electoral votes beat him. But this is par for the course for Donald Trump. When he doesn't like something, he just changed the facts to suit the narrative that he had. Of course it's a plot against him. It's not the 200,000-plus Americans he killed through his inaction on the coronavirus. It's not the fact that this president has ruined our reputation internationally. It's not the fact that there
Starting point is 00:14:51 are still 600-plus children who cannot find their parents that he held in detention and separated from their parents. It has nothing to do with any of that. It's everybody else's fault but his own, and that's always Donald Trump's big Achilles heel. He hates to lose. He hates to lose, Quadrico, but he stays there and lies and lies because, you know, I won the election. No, you didn't.
Starting point is 00:15:17 Georgia, certified for Biden. Michigan, they're going to certify on Monday. Pennsylvania's going to certify. Arizona's going to certify. Arizona is going to certify. Nevada is going to certify. Doot, you lost. Right.
Starting point is 00:15:30 So this is not only his par for the course, his M.O. It's a continuation of the theme that we have seen since the administration, since the presidency, right? Consistently blame the oppressed, consistently blamed black people. Black people are incompetent. Black people don't trust. And so this is just a continuation of what, who, what and who Donald Trump is. OK, turn it to the left some more. Don't think it will go away.
Starting point is 00:15:59 And it also appeals to his base, right? They don't care about facts. They don't care about statistics. They don't care about statistics. They only care about what he says. And it starts, of course, with this dictatorship-like behavior that will continue to go on once he's forced to leave the White House.
Starting point is 00:16:16 Not only that, Michael, if you want to see one of the biggest suck-ups of all time, it really has to be Geraldo Rivera. I mean, I'm just trying to understand how much all of this is costing him. Because, I mean, first of all, this is what this fool, and what's interesting is that he put a video up three days ago
Starting point is 00:16:50 actually saying this, and people ignored it. So then he decides to go on Fox News today and actually says this. You want to talk about just, just, stuck on, stupid. I mean, dude, seriously. I mean, was Vaseline used? I mean, my goodness. I mean, listen to this. I had an idea, you know, when with the world so divided and everybody, you know, telling him he's got to give up and time to leave and time to transition and all the rest of it.
Starting point is 00:17:20 Why not name the vaccine, the Trump, you know, make it like, have you gotten your Trump yet? It'd be a nice gesture to him. And years from now, it would become just a kind of a generic name. Have you got your Trump yet? I got my Trump. I'm fine. You know, I wish we could honor him in that way, because he is definitely the prime architect of this Operation Warp Speed. And but for him, we'd still be waiting, you know, into the grim winter for these amazing, miraculous medical breakthroughs. So let's talk about what we're going to do. I had an idea.
Starting point is 00:17:53 Michael, that was just really... First of all, how about we name the virus after Trump? Right. I mean, a quarter of a million dead, we're going to name that one after you. We're going to call it the Trump virus. Well, not only that, a quarter of a million dead. We're going to name that one after you. We call it the Trump virus. Well, not only that, a quarter of a million dead. Yesterday, November 19th, you had at least one hundred and eighty two thousand new cases of coronavirus. As of this morning, MSNBC reported that for Thursday was one3,000. That set a record. We're almost at 200,000 new cases in a day.
Starting point is 00:18:27 Hospitals and rural areas are being overran. So they should call it the Trump virus. Since Trump likes to call it the China virus, call it the Trump virus because you mishandled it. And just as Herbert Hoover mishandled the Great Depression, he lost the 1932 presidential election, okay, because he mishandled the Great Depression. You mishandled the coronavirus, which taint the economy, and it cost you the 2020 presidential election. But, you know, Donald Trump talked about no vaccine. Now, I think he's trying to, quote, ice cube, no Vaseline, and got it confused and said no vaccine, number one, okay? Number two,
Starting point is 00:19:07 I want him to still provide the evidence that he won the election. He keeps saying he won the election. There's none. Well, there is none. There's none. And then,
Starting point is 00:19:21 it wasn't a clown show that Rudy Giuliani did yesterday. That was an insane posse clown show. Well, first of all, yes. No, first of all, if you call it a clown show, it's a gross insult to clowns. It's a gross insult to clowns. That was an insane posse clown show, okay? He looked like he was auditioning for a Soul Glow commercial with Jerry Curl Juice dripping down the side of his face. But the conspiracy theories that Rudy Giuliani
Starting point is 00:19:45 is pushing, when they go to court and they file in court, they're not pushing those conspiracy theories in court. The attorneys for Trump are being asked point blank, are you saying, and Rudy Giuliani was just in court for the first time in 28 days, federal court for the first time in 28 years, a couple of days ago, did horribly. And Rudy Giuliani was asked point blank by the judge, are you alleging this was a fraud case? And he had to admit, no, it's not. So they're grandstanding and lying to people and lying to these idiots that voted for the media.
Starting point is 00:20:19 And again, and how they're lying is a perfect example. Idiot attorney Sidney Powell, who I don't understand how anybody can call her a legal scholar. I mean, that's really an insult to scholars. Exactly. This is her talking to the Harvard-educated, but clearly in need of a lobotomy, Lou Dobbs. If y'all want to hear crazy, trust me, this is probably, this ain't even puff, puff, pass, pass. This is, we've been snorting some serious stuff before we went on the air.
Starting point is 00:20:58 Listen to this. Joining us now by phone is Sidney Powell. She's a member, obviously, of the president's legal team. Also General Michael Flynn's defense attorney, a great American, one of the country's leading appellate attorneys. Sidney, first of all, thanks. I know you are going every which direction right now, busy as you could possibly be. Let's start out right now with the president's path to victory here as you and the legal team see it. If you could give us just that that canvas very quickly. Well, yes, Lou, the entire election, frankly, in all the swing states should be overturned
Starting point is 00:21:38 and the legislature should make sure that the electors are selected for Trump and it's going to have to follow the constitutional provisions that go be decided according to the amendment. It's just. Let's turn very. Let's turn it to Smartmatic and Dominion. Are they or are they not linked um I'm sorry uh
Starting point is 00:22:13 did that idiot just say we should invalidate all of the swing state votes and we should declare all of the swing state votes, and we should declare all of those electors for Trump. Is that what I heard?
Starting point is 00:22:33 She said the quiet part out loud, right? This is exactly what they're hoping to happen, and they're going after places with heavy black and heavy Latino populations like Detroit and other parts of the country because they know that's the only way they can win if they cheat. No, no, no. Let's go first. She didn't say
Starting point is 00:22:49 Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia. She said all. All of them. So basically she's saying any state Donald Trump lost, fraud was going on on but all the ones
Starting point is 00:23:08 where he won everything is good. What's so crazy about that is they don't care about the congressional elections in those states where the Republicans picked up seats somehow those managed to be fraud free just the presidential election and I don't know that fraud that works that way because if you're going to take just the presidency and not take
Starting point is 00:23:24 the Senate I don't know how this works so that way. Because if you're going to take just the presidency and not take the Senate, I don't know how this works. So this is I mean, this is nonsense. And I think the fact that we have to give this any energy at all sort of gives it a credibility because now this stuff gets repeated so much. I think people have a hard time telling the lies from the truth because many people really don't know what's happening here. And when you have this person who sounded barely coherent, quite frankly. We're going to follow the amendment. And the amendment in the Constitution, I mean, Neombe, I don't really recall there being an amendment that could somehow invalidate.
Starting point is 00:24:07 I have no idea. Well, I mean, but this is the craziness. But this is also why the Electoral College is a really sort of tricky kind of institution, right? Because lots of things can happen at the state level with electors. And I think that's why he was having that meeting today with those folks from Michigan, trying to convince them, right, to change the rules about how they pick electors after the election in order to get those seat, those electoral votes for himself. So, I mean, look, these people have no shame. They don't care how they get it. They just know that they want to live it, live in that White House for four more years and lay waste to the rest of America, strip it down for parts and sell it where they can.
Starting point is 00:24:45 This is, I think, one of the most insane moments that we have witnessed in recent history. Like, if you would have told me 10 years ago that we would be wishing for the days of George Bush again, I would have said, you are crying. You're crazy. You're lying.
Starting point is 00:25:02 I mean, that's insane. Here is um really what's dangerous about this and this is what i need people to understand uh i i see yank yuger and and all of the in the progressives joe fight back. Here's the problem, Quadricos. There is no law that requires the sitting president to
Starting point is 00:25:35 actually work with the incoming administration. Right. I'm trying to figure out. They like fight back. Sue on what ground there literally is no law. We have customs, but there is no law that says you have to meet with turnover, provide. There is it. In fact, and this is just a fact, folks, until December 14th, until December 14th, the Trump vote can keep doing exactly what they're doing. the electors meet and actually vote. Now remember,
Starting point is 00:26:28 they vote. Congress still has to accept the electors. So I need everybody to understand Donald Trump might do this until January 20th. Well, I think you really just laid out for us a potential constitutional crisis that I actually have been saying for quite some time that we might very well face, right?
Starting point is 00:27:02 A peaceful transition of power really is contingent upon one thing, a concession speech. We know that Trump will not concede. He will not concede this election whatsoever. So then what does it mean when a president, right, will not concede based off of traditional institutional norms that we've become accustomed to? We know, of course, that Trump has ripped the Band-Aid off of any sort of societal or presidential norms. And so this really jeopardizes the national security, quite frankly, of the country. So he's, they, and he is putting, of course, the country at risk when he refuses to meet with the transition team of the incoming president.
Starting point is 00:27:37 Of course, that's because he refuses to acknowledge this election and election results. So right now what they're doing, what they have continued to do, is throw delusions at people to be confused so that people don't know what the process is, what the truth is, what the facts are, and just continue with the rhetoric of this election is stolen. Again, it is a continued theme of blacks are corrupt. As my sister said, the states and the districts are largely black.
Starting point is 00:28:06 Detroit, Atlanta, right? So we know that there is a distorted effort to make sure that these votes don't count across the board, even in swing states, as Powell said. And then the second point is, let's be very clear, for Rudy Giuliani, Powell, and the others, this for them boils down to money. They are getting paid to say and to think whatever Donald Trump wants them to, because quite frankly, they are patenting their pockets and their purses with money, and to hell with America and the rest of the people.
Starting point is 00:28:40 And so when you really begin to look at the dynamics going on here, it really does boil potentially down to a constitutional crisis, right? I'm concerned when it comes to January 21st and Trump decides that he's going to hold ground and not leave the White House. What then will that be? I'm not, here's the deal. I'm not at all concerned about that. Michael, that's no concern to me because here's the deal. Here's the deal. This is the reality of the Constitution. See, this is where the Constitution comes in.
Starting point is 00:29:09 As of 1159, when that thing strikes 12 p.m. Eastern on January 20th, Joe Biden is president. Up until that point, Donald Trump can literally sit in the Oval Office until 1159 a.m. Donald Trump will have all of the powers. All the powers. He could literally launch a missile strike at 1150 a.m. Eastern on January 20th. But nine minutes later, his ass gone. And if Donald Trump is still sitting in the Oval, I'm telling y'all, I'm not worried about that. The Secret Service is going to walk in and say, you're now the ex-president. You no longer sit in this office.
Starting point is 00:30:10 They will pick him up and escort him to the beast, drive his ass to Andrews Air Force Base. If he wants to hold a MAGA rally at the Air Force Base for five, ten hours, he can do whatever he want. Then they're going to put his ass on that plane. That blue and white plane. And they're going to say, where are we flying you to? Are we going to Ireland, Mar-a-Lago, New York? Are we going to hell?
Starting point is 00:30:38 Where are we going? They're going to drop his ass off. His Secret Service detail is is gonna follow him and that plane is flying back to Andrews Air Force Base. So, Michael, I ain't worried about that. Right. The thing that I'm concerned with
Starting point is 00:30:58 is they clearly want to sabotage Joe Biden and Kamala Harris by delaying the transition that delays the vetting, that delays hiring staff. They want them scrambling like chickens with their heads cut off on January 20th that he only loves chaos. He does. He is a sore loser. I said this on ABC in February 2017. To the Republicans, you have allowed evil into your home, and now evil is consuming you. Because he is sitting in the Oval,
Starting point is 00:31:40 he is going to consume America with his evil until he has walked out. Absolutely. And, you know, one of the things that's also delayed is President-elect Joe Biden getting the presidential daily briefings also. That's delayed as well. That's held up by Emily Murphy, the GSA. So that's delayed also. And again, that's the law. The reality is, yeah, this is this is just it's frustrating to people until the election results are certified.
Starting point is 00:32:17 She doesn't have to do anything. What we are now learning is that all of this stuff before Trump, it was custom. It was respect. It was patriotic. These fake patriots don't care. Right. Well, it was based upon my understanding was based upon the apparent winner. Who was the apparent winner of the presidential election.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Yeah, first of all, that is, they respected the votes and the outcomes and things along those lines. As I said, those were the customs. This is somebody who does not care about customs, protocol, does not care about norms. No, this is a person who puts a stick of dynamite under anything he touches. Right. Well, it's only about him. And see, the other thing that this is, we're really slowing down is the transitioning of taking over the fight for coronavirus. Okay. And Donald Trump is doing more to fight a lawful election and the result of a lawful election than he is fighting coronavirus. So this is delaying because, as you said, there's funding that is supposed to go to the Biden team to help fund for staff and the transition and all this, all that's being held up.
Starting point is 00:33:44 So Biden is trying to raise money to cover those costs also. But again, but Michael, I think what this is exposing, and frankly, we've never thought we needed this. Right. What it is exposing is that you're going to have to actually pass a law
Starting point is 00:34:02 that literally mandates these things because of this dumb ass. But not only that, not just pass a law because the law exists right right now, but it's not a law that has criminal charges behind it. OK, so you have to have criminal charges behind it where you could be prosecuted, you'd be put in jail, put in jail, et cetera. You have to have a harder, a more substantial law behind what exists right now. But yeah, once again, and this is, you know, a lot of these people claim to be patriots that voted for Donald Trump. Many of them have never read the U.S. Constitution, don't understand how the Electoral College works,
Starting point is 00:34:46 don't understand any of this. Some of them call into my radio show. I'm serious. Some of them just stuck on stupid, dumb as hell. And you can listen to them and tell. And I asked a question last night on my show. What do you think happened to President Barack Obama did this in 2012 when Mitt Romney,
Starting point is 00:35:03 when he was running against Mitt Romney and somehow the race was closed or somehow, you know, President Obama didn't want to see the Mitt Romney beating. What do you think would happen if President Obama reached out to the leaders of the state legislature in swing states or something like that, invited them to the White House and was trying to pressure them to overturn the will of the people? What do you think happened but see but but see let me go back to the point about
Starting point is 00:35:28 the presidential transition transition act okay passing 63. here's the thing dr carter that his the quote is this here congress said any disruption occasioned by the transfer of the executive power could produce results detrimental to the safety and well-being of the United States and its people. Now, when you read that, it talks about, it lays out six months before the election, the president must establish a White House transition coordinating council, okay, chaired by a senior executive. This is where the GSA comes in. The act requires a standing agency transition director's council, co-chaired by the GSA's federal transition coordinator
Starting point is 00:36:08 and the Office of Management and Budget's deputy director for management. Lays all those things out. But here's the problem. It says in here the president-elect and the vice president-elect. The problem is it doesn't say when you have to work with them. See, that's why where we are right now, that's where we are. The Trump Trump like man until until the electors meet. Yo, I ain't got to do all this.
Starting point is 00:36:36 The council's up. I don't have to lift a finger until then. And that's the that's the loophole in the law because we've gotten used to people with respect and decency in the Oval Office, but these MAGA fools decided to vote for somebody who has no decency, who is trash.
Starting point is 00:36:58 Well, I mean, luckily, you know, things like concessions and all of that are not needed for this transition to take place. It really would just take Emily Murphy to sign the letter and she could, you know, and Joe Biden could do all of these things right now. But Emily Murphy is not doing that. In part, she claims that this is, you know, this is a contested election, but it's contested by no one but Donald Trump with a lot of unfounded truths about voter fraud and Dominion machines and all this other nonsense. So I think what it is here is you have a functionary who views herself as an employee of a president and not an employee of the people. And this is going to affect
Starting point is 00:37:38 distribution of the vaccine. This is going to affect national security. I mean, all of these things are going to be really damaged in this transition. I mean, we saw what happened in 2000 in that transition with the Bush White House, and people really think that moment of that contested election may have had something to do with some of the holes in our national security and some of the briefings that were not tended to. And every day that this goes on, our country is endangered both domestically and internationally. And I think, you know, this is where you need something there just in case. It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. And this is one of those cases.
Starting point is 00:38:20 Well, and to that point, that literally was one of the things the 9-1-1 Commission said. And, yeah, that delay impacted the actual national security apparatus, which is why it was passed. But what this fool is doing is unbelievable. Now, here's the deal. While this is happening, okay, while this is going on, Mitch McConnell and the Senate, they didn't give a damn about doing anything for the people impacted by COVID-19. Their focus was simply on confirming more federal judges. Right. 225.
Starting point is 00:38:55 They pushed through five in the last week. Now, when you start looking at these judges, right wing, largely white men between the 80s of 35 and 45, because they want to control the federal bench for the next 30 to 50 years. These are very conservative judges. A number of them have been rated grossly unqualified by the American Bar Association. They have been chosen by the Federalist Society, the right-wing legal group who, again, wants to control the federal bench. Well, you got some black folks in it. So F. Lee Francis decided to email me on LinkedIn
Starting point is 00:39:41 because he felt that, no, this is, Trump is getting a bad rap when it comes to these judges. They are about the law. So he joins us right now. First of all, F. Lee Francis, are you are you embarrassed by the behavior of Donald Trump as it stands right now when it comes to how he is acting regarding the transition with Joe Biden actually beating him and how he is denying the incoming administration information? Well, first, Roland, thank you for having me. But here's the deal. I think it's clear that we have a president, and I think it's clear that there should be a smooth transition of power.
Starting point is 00:40:26 What I don't think is appropriate for our country is that the media, and to a certain extent the president, President Trump, play up this fraud. He's well within his right to- I'm sorry, you said the media. Which media? Well, there's no secret that the general media has been very much opposed to Trump. No, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on. I quoted you. You said the media playing up this fraud. Which media? Well, by virtue of discussing it, it's clear that the voters have decided.
Starting point is 00:41:08 So the more the media engages in this discussion, the more they are giving it credibility. So hold on a second. I'm sorry. Hold up. So who held a one-hour news conference yesterday? And of the three of the six broadcast and cable networks, which one of them broadcast the whole hour? Which one? I think my point is, again, I think I'm agreeing with you. It was Fox News. So the people who are actually playing this up is Fox News, OAN, Newsmax, and conservative media. That's who's actually playing it up. It's actually been debunked
Starting point is 00:41:42 by real journalists. We forget that Fox News was the first one to call places like Arizona. And they were right. They were right, but what do we have? We have people who are conservative saying, well, they shouldn't have done that. But the point is, we need to move past this. For our country to move on, it's clear that the voters have decided. If there are issues of fraud, those will be investigated. Those will be found out during court hearings. But it's clear who the winner is. Actually, they've lost literally 30 times in federal court.
Starting point is 00:42:21 And each time they've gone into court, they've presented no evidence of fraud. They've been shot down every time. In fact, they just, they then went to court and confused voters in Minnesota with voters in Michigan. Well, again, I think we have to first figure out what we're talking about when we say fraud. No, no, no, we don't. Rudy Giuliani and his crack legal team does. Well, let's understand, you know, you have places like North Carolina. There are several counties in North Carolina that counted ballots twice that did not count early vote ballots. So maybe that's not necessarily fraud, but what we do need to figure out. That's not fraud. Hold on, hold on, stop, stop. Do me a favor. Do me a favor. If you're going to say we need to cite what's fraud, but what we do need to figure out... That's not fraud! Hold on, hold on, hold on. Stop, stop. Do me a favor. Do me a favor. If you're going to say
Starting point is 00:43:05 we need to cite what's fraud, then cite what's fraud. Now, when you say they counted ballots twice, was that discovered? That was discovered. Okay, was it an accident? What happened there? I guess my point is, regardless of if
Starting point is 00:43:23 it's an accident, we need to understand that there is a process that takes place that needs to that this election needs to be secure. Who won North Carolina? Who won North Carolina? Well, President Trump. So if there was any voter fraud, if there was any voter fraud in North Carolina, why is the Trump team suing North Carolina? Why are they only suing what black people are? I think that's their prerogative. I can't get into the mind of their legal team. Trust me, I don't think they have much mind because that news conference yesterday really revealed that. But the real deal, though, is this here, and I've got to ask you this here.
Starting point is 00:43:57 Do you consider yourself a conservative or Republican? I consider myself to be a conservative. I don't know that it's helpful, uh, that it's helpful to make a distinction between the two. Actually it is because you could be a conservative Democrat and a conservative Republican. So are you a Republican or Democrat? I am a Republican. Are you embarrassed by the Republican party, the entire Republican party apparatus who refuses to call out Donald Trump. Mitt Romney released a statement.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Ben Sasse has made some comments. But literally, the Republican Party, they had the news conference yesterday at the Republican National Committee. Ronna McDaniel, the chair, is going on and on with lockstep with Donald Trump. Is it embarrassing as a black Republican to watch Republicans say nothing, not in criticize Donald Trump, as opposed to stand up to him and say enough is enough. You lost. I think your own point was a little contradicted by what you said, where you start off by saying all Republicans. I say all Republicans. I said most Republicans. I was very clear. Most Republicans. I specifically cited two. So out of 52
Starting point is 00:45:12 in the Senate, only two have come out aggressively saying, Trump, you're wrong. Again, I think you're wrong about that. If we look at what happened, listen to Susan Collins, Marco Rubio, there have been people to come out about that. So again, maybe it's not 48 or 52, but there are people, and I think it's disingenuous to assert that there are not Republicans coming out. First of all, I didn't
Starting point is 00:45:37 say there are no Republicans. I'm asking you, for the most part, to not to the tune about 90, 95 percent. Republicans are not saying, Jack, they literally are letting this man drive this nation over a cliff because they're scared to get a tweet against them. Listen, I think what the point of this is, is, no, I'm not embarrassed as a black Republican. I'm not embarrassed as a conservative. Because again, I think there are reasonable people like Ben Sasse who understand that his loyalty is to the people. And I think that the majority of the Republican Party understand that as well. And I think the voters understand that otherwise we would not have picked up seats in the House as we did or kept the seats that we were picked up seats in the House as we did or kept the seats that we were expected to lose in the Senate.
Starting point is 00:46:28 Are you embarrassed as a black Republican to see Donald Trump and his lawyers specifically targeting black people? They are only challenging results in two counties in Wisconsin. That is Milwaukee and Dane, where 75% of all black people live. You have the Republican on the Board of canvassers in Wayne County who literally said, let's certify the Wayne County results if we throw out Detroit. Rudy Giuliani actually said at a news conference, oh, Donald Trump, he won Michigan if we throw out Wayne County.
Starting point is 00:46:59 Trump yelled and hollered and screamed fraud, fraud, fraud in Philadelphia. They screamed fraud, fraud, fraud in Philadelphia. They screamed fraud, fraud, fraud in Atlanta. They are specifically talking about black people. Does that offend you that your party, the Republican Party, has such disdain for black voters that they are specifically targeting them? Yeah, so I think this is a narrative, again, that that's not necessarily helpful. No, no, no, no, it's a question. It's a question. Because when we look at this, it's not the Republican Party.
Starting point is 00:47:32 There may be members of the Republican Party, but we don't have majority of the Republicans in this country saying, one, specifically, black voters need to not have their votes counted. Let me ask you very specific. Let me be very specific. The Trump campaign has filed for a partial recount of only two counties, Milwaukee and Dane County. What do those counties have in common with Detroit? Well, other than the fact that they're heavily Democratic, they are some of the largest counties in Wisconsin.
Starting point is 00:48:04 Hold on, hold on, stop. Did you leave out the black part? I mean, Milwaukee and Dane, 75% black. Detroit, 83% black. Did you leave out the black part? Again, I don't understand the point of this. Okay. How about this here? Okay. So he's a perfect example. Show me a majority white Democratic county that the Republicans are trying to do a recount. Can you name one? Well, from my understanding, they're doing recounts in several places.
Starting point is 00:48:42 They're investigating issues in Arizona. They're investigating what happened in Georgia. No, no, no, no. Lawsuit issues in Arizona. They're investigating what's happening in Georgia. No, no, no, no. Lawsuit dropped in Arizona. Well, again, that doesn't mean, there are many reasons why lawsuits get dropped. Let's be clear about that. But there's no pending lawsuit in Arizona. Again, I think the point is,
Starting point is 00:49:01 we're not talking about targeting black people. Again, just because there is a majority. Name me one Republican. If that's Trump, name me, please give me a comment where President Trump or Rudy Giuliani has specifically said, I don't want black people's vote to be counted. Okay. When they say, when the, when the Republican on the board of canvassers in Wayne County says, let's certify all votes in Wayne County except Detroit, which happens to be 83% black, are you saying that they're only saying that because they're Democrat votes or because it's black voters? Again, I go with what people explicitly say. I mean, I think you can read into it one thing.
Starting point is 00:49:46 No, no, no, no, no, no. I can read into it. In fact, control room, please cue up Ned from Michigan. Here was a guy who in the public hearing, F. Lee, who actually said, how are y'all only talking about irregularities in Detroit, but y'all are saying nothing about irregularities that took place in a majority white town? You don't find that to be strange that it's only the black people, but it's not the white people. Again, I think this is a narrative that
Starting point is 00:50:25 it's further dividing. When we separate blacks and whites, which is apparently what you're trying to do. I'm not! I'm not Rudy and Donald Trump is! Again, but I said from the very beginning of this conversation that we have someone who is a clear winner. I think that
Starting point is 00:50:43 should be the conversation. So why? think that should be the conversation. So, okay, if that should be the conversation then, why won't, did you vote for Trump? I did, yeah. So why won't the guy you voted for, why can't he accept it? Why can't he be a grown man and stop, Donald Trump literally, did you see today?
Starting point is 00:51:00 He literally went on television and said, I won. I won the race. That's what he said. Again, I think there is a larger picture here that all Republicans are not Trump. We can inquire into the mind. But he's your leader. Well, again, I think that there are there are several leaders. I mean, I think, again, I think when you look at Ben Sasse, look at Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney's not a leader. Is Mitt Romney in the Republican leadership in the Senate?
Starting point is 00:51:32 No. Who is? McConnell? Cornyn? Again, you see both of those people starting to push back against President Trump. Who? Cornyn made statements earlier this week. Who? Which one?
Starting point is 00:51:47 John Cornyn from Texas. Lee, John Cornyn complained about Puerto Ricans voting in the presidential race when they don't even vote for president. Lee, I'm from Texas. He actually said it. Would you like for me to pull it up? I think my point is
Starting point is 00:52:05 that Trump, again, you have a majority Senate most likely when these two when the incumbents win in Georgia. No, they may not win in Georgia. I don't know about that. Well, guess what? Y'all thought
Starting point is 00:52:21 Trump was going to win in Georgia. That didn't happen. Certified today. Republican Secretary of State. Certified Georgia for Biden. Again, I think the larger point is when you have folks like Mark Robinson in North Carolina, the first black Republican lieutenant governor, mind you, received more votes than both Tillis and Trump within North Carolina. So again, we have- Lee, Lee, Lee, that don't mean nothing. Roland Burris had the most votes ever in the state of Illinois
Starting point is 00:52:49 when he ran for attorney general and lost when he was governor. Okay. No, but I think the larger point here is something, again, mainstream media doesn't want to discuss. And clearly not here is that there is a trend moving away from the Democratic Party.
Starting point is 00:53:05 Where is it? First of all, let me correct you on a couple of things. One, it's not wise for you to say that we don't discuss it here when in fact we have discussed it. That's first. So you might want to pump your brakes on that one. But two, when you say there's a trend. A trend means multiple elections. Where's the trend? I think the trend is in the data. For example, we look at, if we're looking at presidential races, Trump is getting, you know, some are saying 14 to 16 percent in 2016. In 2020, they're saying he's getting closer to 20 to 25 percent. Actually, I've seen no data. I see no data that exceeds 20 percent. So the 25 percent. And again, even with that one, we're still looking at that to determine that. So first of all, when you say the data, be real specific. Who?
Starting point is 00:53:58 Well, there are several researchers out there. There's Pew. There's Edison. There are several groups that have come out. In fact, we see that Pew has done a study that this is evident. It's evident, one, where you have Joe Biden getting fewer. You know, sure, he got 90% of the black vote. But again, Trump is able to shave off, and this has been indicative of the Hispanic vote, from what was reliably Democrat. No, actually, when you break down the Hispanic vote, you have to break that specifically down what part of the country you're talking about.
Starting point is 00:54:33 So, for instance, if you're talking about in Texas or on the Rio Grande Valley, that was the Tejano vote. We talk about in Florida, specifically, that was Cuban and Venezuelan. He did, Joe Biden exceeded him when it came to Puerto Ricans. And so we talk about Arizona. It was Latinos in Arizona who whooped Trump's behind, which is why he also lost Arizona plus Native Americans. But here's the whole deal, though. I mean, you could go through all this like, oh, the trend or whatever. Here's the deal. He lost. He lost. Don't Trump lost from the beginning. That that's not an argument.
Starting point is 00:55:05 I mean, if we want to talk about judges, we can talk about judges. No, no, no, no. We're going to talk about judges because that's also important because what you have is you have a clear direct attempt by Republican Party where Mitch McConnell blocked 100 judges from Obama because he wanted to control the courts. They blocked Merrick Garland making up BS rules, appointed 225 judges. You don't find it shameful as a black Republican that out of 225 judges, the Federalist Society can only find one brother? I mean, look, I know I've been to a lot of black Republicans. I've been lying. I don't. How many black federal judges have they appointed? So according to a Pew study.
Starting point is 00:55:46 No, no, no. No, no, no. I didn't say the study. I'm talking about the actual judges who have been confirmed by the Senate. How many of the 225 judges that Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell and Republicans in the Senate have confirmed? How many of those 225 are black? Again, as of yesterday, there's 227 judges. Okay, of the 227, how many of them are black?
Starting point is 00:56:08 Eight of them have been black, and there have been two this week. And how many on appeal? Hold on, two this week. So praise the Lord for this week because your numbers are looking bad. The question still here is this here. Wait, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Starting point is 00:56:23 Hold on. I'm asking this here. But wait, no, Again, I think this is where you're distorting the facts because to say that gross number of his appointees have been unqualified, that's just wrong. Here's the deal.
Starting point is 00:56:56 I'm asking you again. Do you think Catherine Mazel, eight years out of law school, do you actually believe somebody eight years out of law school has earned a lifetime appointment as a federal judge?
Starting point is 00:57:09 Here's the deal. Here's the deal. I heard you talk about the ABA before. The ABA has had a history, there have been peer-reviewed studies about this, of them having bias towards Republican nominees. That has been documented. How many
Starting point is 00:57:22 judges is the ABA rank qualified that Trump appointed? How many judges have they identified as non-qualified? Of the 227 judges that Trump and McConnell have appointed, how many of them in the ABA rank is qualified?
Starting point is 00:57:40 Well, eight of them have been deemed non-qualified. No, that's not what I asked you. I asked you, of the 227, how many of them have been deemed non-qualified. No, that's not what I asked you. I asked you, of the 227, how many of them have been deemed qualified? Of the 227? Well over 100. So let me, so let me, so if eight have been deemed unqualified. Correct.
Starting point is 00:58:02 And 227 have been appointed. That means the ABA deemed 219 to be qualified. Again, let's look at the numbers. So are you telling me 219 out of 227 means bias? What I'm showing you is that the ABA first deemed Justin Walker, who's now a judge on the D.C. Circuit, to be unqualified. A year later, he came back to be appointed to the D.C. Circuit
Starting point is 00:58:39 and was deemed well-qualified. I'm asking you again. If the ABA deemed 219 out of 227 to be qualified, that's 96.4%. You tripping on 3.6? No. This has gone back well before Trump made any of his appointments. The documentation, this particular study that I'm referring to by Susan Smeller was done in 2012.
Starting point is 00:59:10 So, you know, there's a long history of anti-Republican bias within the ABA. Now, the next point is the majority of the Senate have confirmed the overwhelming majority of Trump's judges. So these aren't 50 to 49 nominees. These are 75. These are 65. These are 90 to zero in many instances.
Starting point is 00:59:34 So it's not that there are people that are against them. Again, these appointees that you labeled as conservative or radical in some cases have gotten bipartisan support. So I'm not sure what the issue is there. The issue is this here. The issue is you have Mitch McConnell, who blocked a Democratic president, the first black president in U.S. history, 100 different judges by design. And he said on Sean Hannity's show, they want to, they specifically are looking for young judges, 35 to 45, because, and he has said it, they want to control the federal courts long after he is gone. Question Dr. Neon B. Carter for F. Lee Francis. Well, I mean, I think that you've hit many of these things, but I think the larger question
Starting point is 01:00:26 is if these parties are to do anything, they're to promote someone's vision of what they think the country should look like. And a majority of Americans have spoken and said this is not the version of the country they would like. Yet you still have your co-partisans suggesting that that version that Americans support is illegitimate. So how then do you make a claim that the Republican Party is a party that actually cares about democracy when it looks like, at least at this moment, that many, not all, of the Republicans
Starting point is 01:01:02 are stalwart against democratic process. So I guess I wouldn't say that at all about the Republican Party. In fact, I'd say that they're of the two parties, the two main parties, are more likely to uphold the Constitution. For example, appointing judges who will apply the law as written, as it was publicly understood, as opposed to judges who would just rather make legislation from the bench. Let me ask you a question. Hold on. Hold on right there. Hold on. I'll let you finish that.
Starting point is 01:01:29 But you said to apply the law as written and publicly understood. When? When it was written? That's correct. Well, if that's the case, F. Lee, me and your ass shouldn't sit here and be talking. Because when the laws were written, the laws were not written with me or you in mind. The laws were not written for us to actually have a vote.
Starting point is 01:01:52 The laws were not written for us to actually be full Americans. The laws were not written for us to even own land. So when you say to judge based upon when it was written, well, hell, we were not factored in any of that when it was written. So obviously the law changes as we grow. Do you deny that? Of course it changes. So how can you then say appoint judges to rule
Starting point is 01:02:29 based upon when it was written? Again, I think you're misinterpreting here. Actually, I didn't. I heard you real clear. Except the law changes due to a democratic process, whether that's through amendments or congressional legislation. There's a difference between that, which is democratically accomplished, as opposed to judges who, for example, and I've written a law review article about this, that will read something into, for example, Title VII. That was not what the framers in 1964 expected, sex was not something that included gender identity or gender orientation or all of those things.
Starting point is 01:03:10 It meant male and female. So an example of judicial activism legislating from the bench is instead of Congress passing a new law, which is what they have done before, is judges making the law from the bench. This is what happened in the ACA case with Sebelius and Obama. So Republicans are not activist judges, just them liberal judges, right? Well, if you look at judging, this is again where if we look at the law as written, this is the process. So again, whether that's the Senate appointing judges, approving judges, they're still a constitution.
Starting point is 01:03:49 They don't go home because they lost elections in November. They still have work to do. And judges, again, are required to apply the law, not make the law. Quadrico, what's your question? Definitely, look, I'm a former Republican, right? Former being the operative word here. How do you reconcile the fact that there are many, again, not all, but many within your party that, quite frankly, don't and will not acknowledge what you have? That this election, that 70, almost 80 million people actually voted for Joe Biden and that he has won the election. Well, again, I think this is no different from how people felt in 2016, where it's a difficult thing to understand.
Starting point is 01:04:38 Sure, you know, Rick Santorum said that Trump needs and maybe his voters need time to process this thing, time to verify this election. I think it's clear that Joe Biden is now the president-elect. I can't speak for those people who refuse to accept that or just refuse in some cases to accept the fact that the people have decided. But you have a strong number of black Republicans who are really pursuing this as a way of opening people up from the Democratic policies that have essentially pulled black people back down as opposed to allowing them opportunities with the Republican Party. If I could have just one more thought. Patrick, go ahead. It's not only that they are not refusing to accept the results, but they're refusing to accept the results and they're being violent in some cases in the process, right? And I think that's the troubling perspective here, right? How ethically then do you center yourself in a party that not only refused to accept the facts, but that causes violence to people, and particularly people of color?
Starting point is 01:05:56 Well, again, I would pose that same question to a Democrat who supports things like Black Lives Matter and Antifa, who calls his hundreds of millions of dollars in Minnesota... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, stop. No, wait, wait, wait, wait. What Democrat supports Antifa? Name one. I'm sorry? What Democrat supports Antifa?
Starting point is 01:06:19 They support what is behind... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You said, like, Democrats who support Black Lives Matter and Antifa. Name me a Democrat that supports Antifa. Well, I think you're hard pressed to separate the two. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not hard pressed. No, I'm not hard pressed at the two. First of all, have you actually talked to Antifa people and Black Lives Matter people? Have you actually been out in the streets and observed them? Have you?
Starting point is 01:06:50 I have. I have read articles. No, no, no, no. I didn't ask you. Have you read articles? What I asked you was, have you actually sat down and talked with Black Lives Matter activists and leaders and Antifa leaders? And have you been in the streets and actually observed them in action? Well, it's hard to get in the streets when they're burning down buildings.
Starting point is 01:07:10 Actually, it's not hard to get in the streets. Hell, no, no, no, Lee, it's not hard to get in the streets. All you got to do is walk out your house. Now, maybe you're scared to go to a protest. I'm not. No, no, I don't think so. But I think, again, if we're talking about violence and we're saying that Republicans have a monopoly on violence. Who said that? You've got. Hold on.
Starting point is 01:07:33 Who said that? Who said Republicans have a monopoly on violence? Who? Again, the point is. No, no, no, no, no, no. You can't say Lee. You can't say stuff. And then when I asked you for it, but to back it up, then you go. The overarching point is the larger point is the bigger point is no. What I'm saying is don't say stuff if you can't back it up. I can look at look at what's happening in Minnesota. Look at what happened. I lived in New York. Look at what happened in New York where they're burning down buildings. You've got Molotov cocktails being thrown. But no one wants to talk about that. Actually, actually, we actually have talked about it. Actually, we have talked about it.
Starting point is 01:08:13 So to act to act as if again, when you say no one wants to talk about it, that in itself is a lie. We have literally talked about it on this show, other shows, MSNBC, CNN, Fox. It has been talked about. But what you said, you specifically said, Democrats who support Black Lives Matter and Antifa. And when I asked you for a simple fact, show me a Democrat who has come out in support of Antifa and you can't. I can. Look at the mayoral race in Oregon. Look at what's happening in Washington. You have a mayor saying, I will implement these policies. You have people, the mayor's calling it the summer of love.
Starting point is 01:08:57 Hold up. Implement what policies? What Antifa is talking about. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. See, you say the mayor said I will implement these policies. What policies? Then your answer is, well, what Antifa is talking about. Defunding the police.
Starting point is 01:09:14 Do you know what that means? Do you even know what that means? I just wrote a paper that will be published again on this. What is it? Well, it's self-explanatory. They want to take money away from the police. You have a group of law professors. No, no, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. And do what with it? Well, it's self-explanatory. They want to take money away from the police. You have a group of law professors. No, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Starting point is 01:09:28 And do what with it? Okay, so there are two things here. You've got a group who's saying defund the police, and you've got another group who's saying abolish the police. Those are the narratives that are perpetrating. See, again, again, this is what happens when you shift. I specifically asked you. You said that the mayor in Oregon embraces and supports Antifa.
Starting point is 01:09:54 You got no facts. Then you said he's all out. Then you said, I'll do your policies. I asked you what policies. Then you can't name them. See, man, look. No, no, wait. Abolishing the police. Hold up. Defunding the police. name them. See, man, look. The little dance doesn't work.
Starting point is 01:10:05 Hold up. Keep funding the police. Michael M. Hotel, what's your question? Before I go to my next guest. Michael, what's your question for Lee? All right. First of all, F. Lee Francis, thanks for coming on the show today and answering these questions, doing it extensively.
Starting point is 01:10:20 You're one of the few black Republicans that will do it this long and who has opposing views because Candace Owens has been running for at least a year. Oh, hell, she's been running for me for three years, but go ahead. For three years. We know she's scared of this heat. Oh, absolutely. This is an example of why this conversation right here. So, one, thanks for admitting that Joe Biden actually won the election because a lot of black Republicans are not admitting that, one. Two, when are black Republicans like yourself and some of the other ones, the leading ones
Starting point is 01:10:51 that have been trying to convince us to vote for Donald Trump, when y'all going to hold a press conference to denounce what Donald Trump is doing? Donald Trump just held a press conference today and lied and said he actually won the election. That's a blatant lie. People who can count know that's a blatant lie. So when y'all going to hold a press conference to denounce what he's doing and encourage Emily Murphy to sign off on President-elect Joe Biden so that the proper transition funding
Starting point is 01:11:20 can go to the Biden transition team? Listen, I have no problem with Republicans in general. can go to the Biden camp, Biden transition team. Listen, I have no problem with Republicans in general, and specifically black Republicans, calling and saying we have a winner. I have no problem with Republicans. That's not what he asked. What he asked is when are y'all black Republicans as a collective going to actually publicly call for that?
Starting point is 01:11:46 Will y'all do it? Have you, Lee, have you communicated with other black Republicans saying we need to stand up as black Republicans and publicly call for Trump to stand down, to stop attacking black voters and for him to concede the election? Will y'all do it? That's what Michael asked you. Will y'all do it? And stop disenfranchising, trying to disenfranchise the votes of African-Americans. He asked you a question. Will y'all do that? Again, I think, first of all, the disenfranchising, that's a separate piece here, and I don't see that really happening. But as far as getting the president as a black Republican
Starting point is 01:12:22 and getting other black Republicans to come out and say that Joe Biden is the president-elect, is the declared winner, absolutely. I have no problem doing that. So we all gonna do it? We all gonna do it? I actually have a problem. I asked when, when y'all gonna do that? None of them have done that yet.
Starting point is 01:12:42 When are y'all going to do it? Look, again, there have been, you know, I have spoken that yet. When are y'all going to do it? Look, again, there have been, you know, I have spoken with people. I have called people to say, listen, we need to stop this. There is a winner here. Whether we like it or not, the reality is the people spoke. The people have and deserve to be heard. So that's good. That's good, F. Lee Francis. You had the conversation. My question to you is, when are you and the other Black conservatives, especially the ones who were telling us
Starting point is 01:13:12 that we should vote for Donald Trump, like Jack Brewer, okay, doing commercials, when are you and these other Black conservatives going to hold a press conference that's broadcasted to call on Trump and the people around him to stop this nonsense. Again, I think the president has his own prerogative. He has his own agenda. But what I can say, and I will say to your audience now, we have a clear winner. Joe Biden is the president-elect. We don't have to like it, but it is it is what it is.
Starting point is 01:13:47 OK. All right. F. Lee Francis. Well, we appreciate it. Look forward to having you back for another conversation. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Got to go to break. We come back. We're going to talk poor people's campaign and their focus on coronavirus. That's next on Roland Martin Unfiltered. And because of us, we have strengthened the democracy. We're the real patriots. We have stood with our country. We have fought for our country. We've had people who have gone to war, who returned home with no housing, no jobs, but...
Starting point is 01:14:19 Men in uniforms. Absolutely. But they stayed and they fought and they protested. And the civil rights movement taught us how to protest, how to stick with it. And whether it's the civil rights movement or organized labor who protest today, often they are rallying, they're marching and they're fighting and they're up against some of the biggest corporations in America about, you know, decent pay and decent benefits. It is because of protests that we have been able to make America better. We are the patriots who say we believe in this country,
Starting point is 01:14:55 and we believe that it can be about justice and equality for everybody. Senator in particular irks me. A Senator Kelly Loeffler, not elected but appointed just a couple months ago. Records show Loeffler and her husband, whose company owns the US Stock Exchange, sold stock valued between 1.3 and 3.1 million dollars. Kelly Loeffler bought and sold stock shortly after a classified briefing on the virus. They knew the market was going to tank and they sold based on that inside information. Some of the holdings she shed were in energy, automotive, retail and airlines. Look, it's not just what she sold, but it's actually what she bought. She bought things like Amazon, Citrix Systems,
Starting point is 01:15:46 company that obviously was gonna do well during a shutdown, while still reassuring citizens that the US was prepared. We have Americans across the country who have seen their 401 s plummet. Were you trading on inside information about what was coming? Folks, this woman is knee-deep in the swamp and she just got there.
Starting point is 01:16:12 I'm John Ossoff, and the path to recovery is clear. First, we listen to medical experts to control this virus. Then we shore up our economy with stronger support for small businesses and tax relief for working families. And it's time for a historic infrastructure plan to get people back to work and invest in our future. We need leaders who bring us together to get this done. And that's why I approve this message. The thing is, to that point, when you talk about,
Starting point is 01:16:43 you talk about entertainers, influencers... And what's crazy, I'm... I'm... And I hate the fact that I even said it, because I'm tired of trying to dance to give you information. Why I just can't give you information? But... But...
Starting point is 01:17:00 But... All right, folks, the Poor People's Campaign will be organized Moral Monday caravans at state houses across the country, beginning this Monday, to mourn the more than a quarter of a million Americans who have died from COVID-19. They will demand a smooth and open transition of power and draw attention to the moral policies needed immediately and in the first few days of the administration.
Starting point is 01:17:23 Joining me now is uh is it uh lamanique hamilton lamanique okay lamanique hamilton deputy director of communications for repairs of the bridge uh so lamanique uh so what is what is this going to entail first of all how many state houses what's the plan so we will be in 24 states we will be in 24 states. We will be going to 24 state capitals across the country from California to the Carolinas. And we are making it very known that we are paying tribute to the more than 250,000. I think at last count, we are a little more than 254,000 folks who have died from COVID unnecessarily. And also that we are fighting like hell to make sure that the Trump administration is taking their time to actually do something before it leaves office to take care of these
Starting point is 01:18:19 folks and also to ensure a smooth and peaceful transition. Now, that particular point they're already projecting by the spring we'll be at half a million deaths. Unfortunately so, if we don't do anything about it, if we continue to do exactly what we've been doing, which is a whole bunch of nothing. But these, obviously, these caravans is not just about COVID as well. It's also an organizing tool for the Poor People's Campaign. Absolutely. Absolutely. It is. It is to make sure that people know that we are we are calling on the on the Trump administration to still provide provide relief for people. If you can use your resources in this needless manner to put out these baseless
Starting point is 01:19:08 lawsuits, you can use your time, your energy, and your resources to make sure that people have food, that they have shelter, and that they have adequate health care. One of the things that also jumps out at us when it comes to, you know, where we stand as this administration. And again, Trump wants all this credit for the for the for the vaccine. But I've talked to numerous doctors who say we still aren't even testing officially in this country. Exactly. We aren't. We aren't. And this vaccine, yes, it has it has moved at a very fast speed and we can all acknowledge that. But it has not gotten into anyone's arms yet.
Starting point is 01:19:52 So I don't understand how we how someone take credit for a vaccine that has not gone into anyone's arm. One of the things I'll ask the last question here, and that is you see what the Trump campaign is doing when it comes to this transition. How are y'all prepared to continue the pressure? So is this going to be every Monday between now and inauguration or just this Monday? For right now, it is just this Monday for the caravans, but we are continuing to work. We are continuing to work with our folks down in Georgia on these January 5 runoff campaigns. We are continuing to work behind the scenes in every way possible. We are also asking people to take time to mourn the dead. There's a lot of power in just taking a little time to mourn the dead, to pay tribute to people who have laid down their lives.
Starting point is 01:20:54 And so that is what this is. It is really taking what Mother Jones said to heart, to mourn the dead, and then to fight like hell for the living because they deserve it. Because on top of the 254,000 people who have succumbed to COVID, there have been 8 million more people who have fallen into poverty since the beginning of the pandemic. And I know Reverend Barber is up here all the time. And he says, even before the pandemic, we had 140 million people who were poor and low income. All right, Lamanique. We certainly appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Y'all keep the
Starting point is 01:21:29 pressure up and we'll certainly keep covering this. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Thank you very much, folks. As she said, there are 11.8 million cases of COVID-19 in the United States. More than a quarter of a million people, as we see it, have died as a result. Texas and California both have over 1 million COVID cases. Florida, Illinois, and New York are also among the states with the highest infection rate. Again, today, the drug company Pfizer formally asked the United States regulators to allow emergency use of this COVID-19 vaccine.
Starting point is 01:21:54 Their ongoing study says that the vaccine appears to be 95% effective at preventing mild to severe cases. While that's encouraging, the CDC is still recommending that we avoid travel for Thanksgiving and joining together in large groups and so but here's the deal for y'all folks still tested positive Florida Florida Senator Rick Scott announced that he tested positive for coronavirus guess what Andrew Giuliani the son of yeah Rudy Giuliani he's tested. And in the last hour or so, Donald Trump Jr. is tested positive.
Starting point is 01:22:28 Lord, I'm telling you, Niamh, the White House is the biggest damn super spreader in the country. It seems like a ground zero. I mean, you got to remember the over 100 Secret Service agents who've been tested positive for COVID-19, not to mention the president and the first lady who've also tested positive for COVID-19. But this is what happens when you act in denial. The virus believes in you, whether you believe in that virus or not. And so these people are reaping what they've sown, which is misinformation. They politicize mask wearing, one of the most effective tools we have at combating this virus,
Starting point is 01:23:06 and thumbed their nose essentially at all the information we have from public health officials in this country and internationally. And this is why we now are on track to see more and more Americans dying. I mean, and not to mention the long-term COVID injured. So folks who have survived COVID-19, but may have residual effects that we're not even sure about yet and what their long-term prospects look like once they have been cleared of the virus, but may have a longer term health consequence as a result of contracting COVID-19. The thing that I find also to be hilarious here, Michael, is that is, again, when you look at all these folks testing positive now, because Rudy was around his son and his sons were on the whole legal team,
Starting point is 01:23:57 none of them could be at that meeting today at the White House with the Michigan lawmakers, who, by the way, came out of the meeting and now, yeah, we're going to do the will of the people and we're not going to seat no Trump electors. So the meeting was a complete waste. But it's but it shows you these people are so stupid. They're just spreading around each other. And I'm like, yeah, I'm just going to kill each other off. Well, you know, Roland, I said this on your show a couple of weeks ago, brother. This is the chickens coming home to roost. You reap what you sow. This is karma coming back on them.
Starting point is 01:24:29 And be quite honest with you, I have no sympathy for them. One. Two, Joe Biden and the MVP, Madam Vice President-elect Kamala Harris, they're going to have to sanitize the White House. It's some nastiness up in there. They're going to have to sanitize the White House before they go in there. This is a super spreader. And I saw the representatives from the state of Michigan, Senate majority leader and House representative leader, when they were at the airport, they had on masks.
Starting point is 01:25:11 Now, when they came out of the White House, did they have on masks? I wonder if they kept on masks when they were with Trump. Man, let me tell you something. These people are so stupid. Look, I'm going to tell you right now, Quadricos, ain't no way in hell if I go around that fool. Let me tell you something. I'm going to tell you right now. Pastor Darrell Scott, I talked to him uh quadricos and he said yeah my wife was telling me
Starting point is 01:25:29 the same thing uh you know but leaders the leaders stay at the white house and they better keep your ass at home i said you saw what happened to bishop harry jackson he got covid died and trump still ain't acknowledged his death did he acknowledge the death of Herman Cain as well. Look, there is blood on their hands. No way around it. This administration has a lot of death's response before it. And at some point, if we believe in an afterlife, they perhaps have to answer for that. But these people don't care about coronavirus.
Starting point is 01:26:02 And that's clear. They don't know what it means to be in right and in moral community, which is why they politicize masks. And so we're going to continue to see this sort of behavior. And I think it's incumbent upon us and really the Biden administration. I mean, he has a lot of work to do, right? He has to heal this nation and he has to, of course, get this virus under control. But when you really begin to think about the number of the 200 plus thousand deaths that's on this administration's hands
Starting point is 01:26:32 and the fact that there are people in our country who do not care about that, it's appalling. And quite frankly, it's sad. All right, folks, got to go to a commercial break. When we come back, our Education Matters segment
Starting point is 01:26:43 with the great Dr. Jeffrey Canada. We're talking education and COVID and its impact on our kids. That's next on Roland Martin Unfiltered. public employees had make getting through this pandemic possible so one thank you for your service thank you you're asking me family this is our moment this is our moment to show what the green, mean machine is made of. For the next week and a half, we've got to show our power and make our voices heard every single day. We will mobilize, we will organize, and we will win. Go ask me.
Starting point is 01:27:41 Whoo-hoo! Go ask me. Fire it up. All right, folks. This is our weekly Education Matters segment sponsored by School Choice is the Black Choice. COVID has just impacted everything in our society. No place where it has been even crazier has been in education. My brother's a teacher.
Starting point is 01:28:17 Two of my sisters are teachers. I sit here in our family group chat and I see their comments about, you know, some parents at my sister's school. They actually they actually created outdoor classrooms. Now you've got school districts determining whether we go to some kids in school, some kids online. Let's go all online. You look at where New York is. I mean, it's sort of just all over the place. Parents are fed up. But the other issue, and it's just real, schools are also caught in a bind because you have some people like Trump and Rand Paul and others who say, no, kids got to be in school. We got others who are saying,
Starting point is 01:28:55 but wait a minute, what all of a sudden if they are so spreading coronavirus? Well, my next guest is a longtime educator. He is president of the Harlem Children's Zone and, of course, also being highly recommended for the position of Secretary of Education in a Biden administration. Yes, I'm going to ask him about that. But we welcome Dr. Jeffrey Cannon to Roland Martin Unfiltered. Doc, how you doing?
Starting point is 01:29:17 Hey, Roland. It's been a while, my man. Haven't seen you in a while. In these crazy times, look, all I can say, honestly, my family's good. I'm in good health. The rest of the world, I'm real worried. Let's talk about in terms of where we are when it comes to these kids and education, man. It is it is so difficult because, again, I've got family who are teachers.
Starting point is 01:29:42 I've also had my wife and I raising two of my nieces. They're 16 years old. And so they're going to school online. I walk into a room today and I'm sitting there like, OK, you're laying in bed in school. We got a classroom set up at the house as well. I got another niece who's a sophomore at Howard University. She came here thinking they were going to be, you know, having labs at least once a week. They've been all online. So she's going to school online. And then we have to worry about the folks who don't have good Wi-Fi, who don't have computers, who don't have pads, who don't have those resources. This is absolutely exposing the vast inequities in our educational system. I mean, you couldn't be more correct. You know,
Starting point is 01:30:26 in New York City alone, they said there's 60,000 children who can't get online because either they don't have devices or they don't have an internet connection. But even if you can get online, the quality of the instruction children are getting is absolutely horrible. And it was horrible in the spring. And I was yelling and screaming and saying, look, we got to take this thing seriously because we're going to shut back down in the fall. We didn't take it seriously. It doesn't make any sense how a parent's going to go to work if your child is in school two days and home three days. This thing is a real disaster. And, you know, I've started calling
Starting point is 01:31:05 Roland that when this vaccine comes out, that we put teachers right after the healthcare workers and we vaccinate the teachers and we get them back into the schools. We have to worry about the most vulnerable children who, if they get COVID, will really get very sick and worry about our high school kids. But we got to get these kids back connected. They are suffering. They are not getting an education. And we're sowing the seeds to the next generation's inequality right in front of our eyes. And when we talk about where we are, first of all, what you just laid out, one of the problems is that the Trump folks,
Starting point is 01:31:49 let's be perfectly honest, they kept downplaying it. And I think a lot of these people kept thinking, oh yeah, August, August, August. I kept telling folk in April, I said, I'm going to tell y'all something right now. Y'all can hang up August. And I was saying then,
Starting point is 01:32:03 yo, y'all can forget the spring of 2021. I said, guys, at the absolute earliest, we're back in the classroom in fall 2021. And but you're absolutely right. They kept giving folks false hope. And then by giving false hope, they weren't preparing for the long term. Well, you're right about this. You could not handle this situation worse, in my opinion. First of all, we know the lack of federal leadership. Donald Trump, the vice president, what they have done has cost at least 100,000 lives, we know that things could have happened to protect folks. It wasn't done. They just simply said, let's send these folks out there. It's going to be fine. And here's the rub mark. We know, Roland, who kids are going to get hurt, whose parents are going to get hurt, who lost their jobs, who didn't get the PPP when they were giving out the money.
Starting point is 01:33:05 It's all in our community. And I think that we, as a collective, have got to go in and say to this new administration, not only do we have to start schools, but we need to do some major investing in these communities because we've exposed what 50, 75, 100 years of disinvestment in Black communities has produced. It has produced a set of circumstances where we are the ones who are getting sick, who are losing our jobs, who aren't able to gather the wealth from buying homes and other stuff because of redlining the history. And it's time for us to really try and make sure we begin to mediate those kinds of issues and remedy these situations. Education is part of this. It's a critical part. But we need a much more comprehensive view of education in this country
Starting point is 01:33:56 these days. Quadricos, you're a professor at George Washington University. Any universities have been dealing with this as well. So your question for Jeffrey Canada. Dr. Canada, thank you for joining us. I've long been admirer. What would you say is a viable solution, particularly for those families who cannot afford to, particularly those caretakers, those moms, those dads, those single parents who cannot afford necessarily to allow their child to stay back home while they have to work.
Starting point is 01:34:27 But we know, unfortunately, that the child isn't learning. What do you think is a viable solution? Because there are many in the D.C. area, particularly in the southeast, that is a grave concern, right? We see a lot of unlearning going on. And we know, of course, that for our children particularly, we'll be left behind further. So what necessarily steps, be it policy or anecdotal, need to take place to sort of rectify or address that? I mean, this is a great question because I wish this was just D.C. You name any of our urban centers, you name the rural places, if you don't have real money, your child is not getting an
Starting point is 01:35:06 education in America today, and it's traumatizing a whole generation of kids. So I think the answer is we've got to get these schools open. We need to get these teachers vaccinated. Look, they said they can start vaccinating people in December. Let's get every teacher, 3.7 million teachers, maybe another million support staff. They said they've got 20 million doses of the vaccine. Let's get our teachers vaccinated and open up our schools. We know the infection rate among children is lower. It's more the adults who are getting infected. If kids do, it's not quite as serious, but we have to protect the most vulnerable kids and their families. But we've got to deal with this thing.
Starting point is 01:35:50 What's going on right now is a total disaster for our community. Our kids are not learning. This hybrid thing is you go to school sometimes, you don't. Any of us who have technology, you know half the time the technology doesn't work. You can't miss three or four days of school a week because your device is not connecting to the internet and think you're getting an education. We've got to solve this. But my answer is not just to open up the school. Our kids are going to be so far behind. We have to think about how we surround them with the kind of supports our children are going to need. Look, they are suffering trauma right now.
Starting point is 01:36:25 They're going to have mental health issues. Just imagine that you're worried about killing your grandfather. You can't be with your friends because you know there's something out there that's killing people. You listen to the ambulances. This is trauma for kids, and this trauma is not going to go away in a week or a month or a year. So we're going to have to surround these kids with a comprehensive set of supports. And I'm calling on the Biden administration for massive investment in these communities to help support the education going on, because simply schools and having teachers go in and principals is not going to make up for what's happened.
Starting point is 01:37:04 These kids have already lost a year of education in some cases, too. Neombe? Yeah, so you actually hit on something that I was going to ask Dr. Canada, which is how do we help these students who have lost so much so quickly? And what do you think the long term consequences? How do we get to the catch up phase? Will they ever be able to catch up? And then what kinds of accommodations do we need to make for that? And then I was going to ask you to address these other kinds of collateral damage that
Starting point is 01:37:33 are happening to these children outside of learning their social skills and their social development and other kinds of things. Yeah. So look, we know about ACEs, adverse childhood experiences. We know that when kids grow up in households where there's domestic violence, substance abuse, poor mental health, loss of an apartment, we know the impact of the stress on that impacts these kids into their 20s and 30s. If you want to understand a lot of the health disparities that happens in our community, it is because of the constant stress from not just from family stuff, but from racism, from worrying about the police, from the fear of losing your home or your apartment. This has a long-term impact. We have never in our community had a whole generation of kids subjected to seven months of toxic stress, unrelenting.
Starting point is 01:38:31 And we're gonna have to really provide us a different way of thinking about school. We've gotta bring in mental health supports. We've gotta train folks how to talk to kids. We gotta look out for the signs of depression, the signs of suicide, the signs of suicide, the signs of kids disassociating, don't want to go back to school because they're traumatized and they're scared. We've got to actively look for the children and not wait for them to start acting out
Starting point is 01:38:58 in ways that are self-destructive. So I think we've got to rethink education. That's my thought. It has to be school, but we have to get the mental health supports in here. Now, there's a whole bunch of other things that's going on. School is the place that we learn how to interact. We learn how to get along about how we rebuild that sense of community among children. Remember, they have been taught to stay away from one another. No, you know, you know our community. Everybody wants to give a pound, a hug. What's up? What's up?
Starting point is 01:39:35 All of that is off right now because it's been taught to be dangerous. And we're going to have to re-teach our kids how to socially engage in appropriate ways. While this is going on in lots of our communities, the violence is going up. The murder rates are going up. Our kids are being traumatized from another end. So we've got to focus on getting our communities safe and keeping these communities safe so kids don't grow up thinking, you know what, it's every person got a fin for themselves out here because no one's there to protect us. So I think we have to think about this thing much more comprehensively. After school, evenings, weekends, summertime, we need to stay with our kids during all of those times so we can begin to rebuild these supports they need and the skills they need so we can help them catch up.
Starting point is 01:40:24 And it's going to take us about three years to catch the kids up from where they are right now. If we do this comprehensive thing, it's still going to take about three years to get our kids caught back up from having lost this year to two years of education. Michael. First of all, brother, thanks for the work that you do. I've been watching you for years. My question is dealing is regarding parents who are working from home and their children are going to school at the kitchen table. Do you have any tips for parents who are trying to juggle this and keep the children engaged in school? I have a friend who has a, well, he turned eight today, eight-year-old and a 12-year-old. And it's hard trying to keep them engaged. And the parent is trying to do their work for a job and then monitor the children in
Starting point is 01:41:19 between classes and keep them on schedule and keep them engaged, keep them interested. Any tips for parents how to navigate this? It's a great question because, you know, parents are suddenly thrust into this role of being like a teacher and none of them have been trained. Here's the first thing I would say. You have to set up a space, right? A defined area. And you have to set it up in a way that you limit the kid's ability to be distracted. So the worst place to put the kid is like in the middle of a round table where they can see everything going on around them. You want to get them in an area where their focus can be guided in a way.
Starting point is 01:41:58 And you want to get them their own stuff, a little chair to sit on, something to act like a desk, their own pencils and pens set up in a place that they always can find them. And then as a parent, you need to let your child know, you know what, I'm going to check back in with you in one hour and I want you focused. So, and then you need to check back in so that that child constantly feels there's some support and adult guidance and attention focused on them. So those are some of the things I think we need to do. If your child is really struggling with focusing and paying attention, I would say that what you need to do is start them off in small pieces. So if you know after 45 minutes this kid is drifting off, well, set a timer and then intervene and get that kid off that screen
Starting point is 01:42:53 for five or six minutes. You can look at it and keep an eye on what's going on. Then let them move around and get some. It's unnatural for kids to sit still constantly. How many times have kids raised their hands? I want to go to the bathroom. They don't really have to go to the bathroom. They just need to get up and do something.
Starting point is 01:43:09 That's different when you're in your home and someone is constantly looking at you. So I think we have to plan breaks for kids and then occasionally just do something fun. Just, you know, do some jumping jacks, play 10 minutes worth of a card game, do something that breaks up that learning day, gets their brain off of it. We know you can't focus, even adults, for more than half an hour, 45 minutes at a time.
Starting point is 01:43:34 Having a kid sit for hours staring at a screen, that's not learning. It's not healthy. It's not the way that kids should learn. The parents have to break it up. And if you can time it so that you can work it around your work schedule, so it's not right in the middle of a meeting, but your kid knows that you're going to come and you're going to do something fun. If they just hang in there, I think that's going to help a bit. Jeffrey, I have a question here. Of course, we talked about what's next in terms of this Biden administration. The group of African-Americans who are advocating for a black secretary of education.
Starting point is 01:44:10 The question is, your name is one of the ones they mentioned out there. Would you want to do that? So, you know, you know, Roland, first of all, I know this group of educators. These are very serious black men and women who care about our kids, are out there fighting for them every day. One of the big issues we care about is we want great schools. We don't care if they're traditional public schools, if they're charter schools, if they're parochial schools. We want great schools for our kids because we don't have the time to wait for them to fix this thing. If you have a kid in the third grade,
Starting point is 01:44:46 you can't say, well, a couple of years from now, I think maybe your school will be okay. So until then, we're just going to sort of have to do with it. That doesn't make any sense. So there are a group of us who are saying, let's just make sure we're giving our community every opportunity possible. Because if you have money, you have options. You can send your kid to a private school. You can send your kid to a parochial school. You can pay for that. If you don't have money, you are really stuck.
Starting point is 01:45:15 And if you're stuck in one of those places where you don't have high-quality education, you have no choice for your child. And we know what some of that looks like. So I want to be in that discussion. I want to be in that debate. But just for me, I've started a new job, Roland, it's called the William Julius Wilson Institute. William Julius Wilson,
Starting point is 01:45:32 a really famous African-American sociologist, started his career in Chicago, then went to Harvard. He's written about this issue of poverty and his two books that I really highly recommend is The Truly Disadvantaged and When Work Disappears. Those books changed my way of thinking about poverty because what Bill Wilson was saying is, look, we keep focusing on the symptoms. But what happens when people don't
Starting point is 01:45:57 have work and they don't have jobs and they can't pay for to take care of their families, you get all these other social ills. You get the alcoholism. You get the substance abuse. You get the domestic violence. You get the child abuse. You get the criminal justice involvement. And it doesn't matter if you're Black in Chicago or if you're in rural Appalachia.
Starting point is 01:46:18 When those jobs leave, these same problems come. So we believe that the answer for our community is to get our folks prepared with high skills to get good, decent jobs. And I just came out of retirement to start this new institute, and I'm going to be trying to go out and save an additional million kids in this country over the course of the next five years. So that's my main focus right now. But I support the group of African Americans who are saying we need to have our community, needs to be reckoned with. Look, I'm going to say something, Roland, I don't know. Maybe people think this is controversial. Maybe they don't. There's one reason that President-elect Biden is going to be in the White House on January 20th.
Starting point is 01:47:03 It's because African Americans went out with COVID and everything else, and they voted that man in. And when he got the help in South Carolina that turned his whole primary campaign around, that was African Americans. So I think our community have some bills that are coming due from this administration. And education ought to be one of those places that we get special attention.
Starting point is 01:47:30 Oh, well, let me be real clear. There are a number of things that are due. Trust me. And I'm going to sit there. In the words of that great financial planner, Frank Lucas, I'm going to get that money. Dr. Jeff McCann, always a pleasure, man. I appreciate it.
Starting point is 01:47:52 We'll have you back soon. All right, Roland. Appreciate it, brother. Keep it up. Thanks, everybody. Thank you very much. All right, folks. This is some other breaking news. 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse, a teenage gunman charged with killing two protesters in Kenosha, Wisconsin, this summer, was released from jail this afternoon after posting a $2 million bond.
Starting point is 01:48:10 He faces a series of felony charges, including intentional homicide and reckless endangerment in the shooting of three men during a protest in August. Two of the victims, Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Hubert, died that same night. The protests were the result of the police shooting of Jacob Blake. The unarmed black man was shot in the back seven times just days earlier. Rittenhouse claims he fired his assault-style rifle in self-defense, but he also admitted that he actually purchased that gun with his stimulus check. Hmm, interesting. Let's go to the case of Kawan Bobby Charles,
Starting point is 01:48:42 a 15-year-old who was found dead in a sugarcane field earlier this month in Louisiana. He will be laid to rest this Saturday. Selena Charles, the family spokesperson, said, We are hurting right now and will continue to hurt, but Saturday we will come together and finally be able to mourn. The 15-year-old was found dead after going missing from his family home. He was last seen with 37 year old Janet. Irvin her 17 year old son, October 30th.
Starting point is 01:49:09 Of course he was reported missing that night. However, they the cops did not sit out in Amber Alert report saying he probably was at a football game. Of course his body was found on November 3rd and so still no one is under arrest in that particular case. And so we continue to cover that as well. Also, folks, the officer who fatally shot 18-year-old Dionne Kaye in
Starting point is 01:49:32 Washington, D.C. on September 2nd of this year will not face criminal civil rights charges. Kaye's death sparked nationwide protests and calls for charges against the officer involved. However, the D.C. U the DC US Attorney's Office was unable to disprove a claim of self-defense or defense of others by the officer. On September 2nd, officers were investigating reports of a man with a gun. The officers say they saw people in and around a car.
Starting point is 01:49:58 Now, as the officers approached them, the people took off running. That's when officers say Kay brandish a firearm leading an officer to open fire. Bodycam footage was released two days after the shooting. Here's exactly what took place. Don't move. Don't move, don't move, don't move.
Starting point is 01:50:24 Get down. Don't move, don't move, don't move! He's down there, he's down there! Hey, shots fired, shots fired. Where is it? Where is it? I don't know. I'm looking for the gun. He's up there. I did. Over me. Over me. You alive?
Starting point is 01:51:00 Yeah, where's the gun? Hey! F*** me, canvas. Although the officer involved won't face criminal civil rights charters, the MPD is now investigating whether the officer's use of force was excessive or within the department's policy. All right, folks, also, remember the story of A.J. Crooms, the brother who was shot and killed along with his friend, Sincere Pierce there in Florida. Well, the family of Sincere, they actually are trying to raise money and literally selling dinners for his funeral. We told you what happened was where Crooms picked Sincere up four minutes later. A cop in Brevard County, they pulled him over, saying that they were investigating a stolen car.
Starting point is 01:51:49 In fact, the car was not stolen. Fired shots into the car, killing both of them. This is video sent to us by Natalie Jackson, the attorney for the family. The family literally selling dinners to pay for sincere's funeral i think there's french fries we're selling hush puppies corn fritters we're selling rib sandwiches with um, sodas, cakes, whatever. Just come out and support for Spud. Please, please, please.
Starting point is 01:52:29 And AJ, thank you. I've already reached out to Natalie Jackson to find out if there's a GoFundMe or some other kind of fund set up to help defray the funeral cost. Again, this is a photo of A.J. Croons and Sincere Pierce, the two brothers shot and killed by that police officer in Florida there. All right, folks, you know what time it is. Folks don't want to wear a mask. This kid went shopping and refused to wear one. Let's just say it didn't go so well for her.
Starting point is 01:53:35 No shoes. Stand up. Stand up. No mask. No service. Get your ass out. There's no reason why you shouldn't be able to shop without a mask on. Haven't you heard about the virus? Your masks don't work. This has been going on for almost a year now. If they work so well, why are people still getting sick? I wonder, stupid.
Starting point is 01:53:56 Can you answer that question? Yes, I can, because they don't wear the mask. They don't wear the mask. Oh, really? is that what it is? Because one person won't wear a mask. That's why the virus is still going on after a year. You're a dumbass. You can't make a point about it. Yeah. Hey. She's arrested.
Starting point is 01:54:21 Hey. Oh, God. She arrested me. God bless you. Thank you. God bless you. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, God. Hey, Naomi, I ain't got no problem with that. You bring your ass in here with no mask, you're walking out in cuffs. It should happen more often, quite frankly, Roland. I don't know what people need to believe that this virus is real,
Starting point is 01:54:46 that, yes, your one self without a mask can make other people sick. I mean, these people are dangerous, quite frankly. And so she should have been arrested. She should have been arrested when she hit the door. And look, I'm all for patron shaming, Quadricos. You're right, Marlon. It's quite sad, quite ridiculous. I probably would have stopped her at the door. I would have called the police myself. And these people conveniently forget, right, they want to exercise companies across this country that have instituted policies internally that you can't walk into their stores without a mask on.
Starting point is 01:55:30 So not only are you not, again, in right and moral community, but you are officially violating that company's policy by not wearing a mask. I don't know who allowed her in, but I would have stopped her at the door. Michael, I'm telling you, these people, and I love this, are you telling me it's been a year people are getting this because people are not wearing masks? Yeah, dumbass! Yeah! Exactly.
Starting point is 01:55:55 Not only are they getting it, the infection rate is spreading, and the number of cases per day nationwide are increasing. Which state was that in? I don't know. Ashley, state was that in? I don't know. Ashley, what was that in? Where is it from? Which state or city? Not sure. I know it was in Costco, but not sure
Starting point is 01:56:16 what city. Y'all don't have a city? Yeah, so just Somebody don't get cussed out. Just the fact that the infection rate is spreading so quickly and you've gone from the first one million cases of coronavirus in this country took 100 days. The last one million cases, it took six days. OK, and it's because of idiots like this and they're getting sick and spreading it to other people. So, yeah, they should take it away.
Starting point is 01:56:48 And actually, they should make a public service announcement commercial about using or telling the truth. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. All right, y'all, that's it for us. Hey, if y'all want to support what we do here at Rolling Mountain Unfiltered, please join our Bring the Funk fan club. Our goal is to get by the end of the year, get 20,000 of our fans. We're 5,000 away,
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Starting point is 01:58:02 I thank you so very much. Y'all have an absolute great weekend. Folks, I will you so very much. Y'all have an absolute great weekend. Folks, I will see you on Monday. Ha! Sometimes as dads, I think we're too hard on ourselves. We get down on ourselves on not being able to, you know, we're the providers. But we also have to learn to take care of ourselves. A wrap-away, you got to pray for yourself as well as for everybody else, but never forget yourself.
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