#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Trump's insane NABJ Q&A, Remembering Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee

Episode Date: August 1, 2024

7.31.2024 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Trump's insane and disrespectful NABJ Q&A session, Harris under fire for immigration, Remembering Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee Trump finally showed up at NABJ and delivered a disastrous Q&A session. We'll talk about what went down and what black journalists have to say about  NABJ hosting Trump. Now that black America has heard Trump's disrespectful Q&A session. Shelley Wynter, Host of the Shelley Wynter Show, what is the black agenda for the GOP? Vice President Kamala Harris is facing heat from Trump & Republicans over her immigration policies. We'll share Kamala's response to Trump's recent attacks on her record. In our tech talk segment, we'll explore the role of social media in the election. Issac Hayes III, The founder of Fanbase, will give us the scoop on using social media in the 2024 election. Lastly, the Texas community is mourning the loss of Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee. We'll highlight how the community is paying tribute to this remarkable civil servant. #BlackStarNetwork partners:Fanbase 👉🏾 https://www.startengine.com/offering/fanbaseCurl Prep 👉🏾 Visit https://www.curlprep.com/ for natural hair solutions! Us the discount code "ROLAND" at checkout Download the #BlackStarNetwork app on iOS, AppleTV, Android, Android TV, Roku, FireTV, SamsungTV and XBox  http://www.blackstarnetwork.com The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platforms covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We'll show you some of the outrageous, insane things that Trump had to say, and we'll talk about how it was beyond a debacle. Shelley Winters, conservative radio talk show host in Atlanta, supporting Donald Trump. Can't wait to hear what he has to say about how his candidate looked like an absolute idiot in front of this crowd. We're going to break all that down.

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idea to bring down Trump, especially with the panelists who were questioning him today. It was supposed to start around noon, did not get started late. And what did he do? He came out there immediately insulting NABJ, talking about how he had him waiting 35 minutes. They put out a tweet claiming the audio was bad. That was an absolute lie. The real issue backstage, the Trump people did not want to be fact-checked in real time by PolitiFact. In fact, it didn't take Donald Trump any time at all to do what he is very good at,

that is, insulting black female journalists. This was the first question asked by Rachel Scott of ABC. Listen to this shameful response. Exactly why you would do something like that. And let me go a step further. I was invited here and I was told my opponent, whether it was by. Come back. OK, first of all, folks, I need the control room.

I need her question. I need you to play her question and then hear his answer. OK, so let me know when y'all have. OK, now y'all got it. Play it. About some of your rivals, from Nikki Haley to former President Barack Obama, saying that they were not born in the United States, which is not true. You have told four congresswomen of color who were American citizens to go back to where they came from.

You have used words like animal and rabbit to describe black district attorneys. You've attacked black journalists, calling them a loser, saying the questions that they ask are, quote, stupid and racist. You've had dinner with a white supremacist at your Mar-a-Lago resort. So my question, sir, now that you are asking black supporters to vote for you, why should black voters trust you after you have used language like that? Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been asked a question so—in such a horrible manner, a first question. You don't even say, hello, how are you?

Are you with ABC? Because I think they're a fake news network, a terrible network. And I think it's disgraceful that I came here in good spirit. I love the black population of this country. I've done so much for the black population of this country, including employment, including opportunity zones with Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina, which is one of the greatest programs ever for black workers and black entrepreneurs. I've done so much. And, you know, and I say this, historically, black colleges and universities were out of money. They were stone cold broke. And I saved them and I gave them long term financing and nobody else was doing it.

I think it's a very rude introduction. I don't know exactly why you would do something like that. And let me go a step further. I was invited here and I was told my opponent, whether it was Biden or Kamala, I was told my opponent was going to be here. It turned out my opponent isn't here. You invited me under false pretense. And then you said you can't do it with Zoom. Well, you know, where's Zoom? She's going

to do it with Zoom and she's not coming. And then you were half an hour late. Just so we understand, I have too much respect for you to be late. They couldn't get their equipment working or something was wrong. I think it's a very nasty question you could answer the question on your rhetoric and why you believe that black voters can trust you with another four years. I have been the best president for the black population since Abraham Lincoln. That's my answer. Better than President Johnson who signed the Voting Rights Act? For you to start off a question and answer period, especially when you're 35 minutes late because you couldn't get your equipment to work in such a hostile manner, I think

it's a disgrace. I really do. Let me just ask a follow up, sir, and then we'll move on to other questions here. Some of your own supporters, including Republicans on Capitol Hill, have labeled Vice President Kamala Harris, who is the first black and Asian-American woman to serve as vice president and be on a major party ticket as a DEI hire. Is that acceptable language to you? And will you tell those Republicans and those supporters to stop it?

How do you define DEI? Go ahead. How do you define it? Diversity, equity, inclusion? Okay, yeah. Go ahead. Is that what your definition? That is literally the words, DEI. Give me a definition then. Would you give me a definition of that? Give me a definition of that. Sir, I'm asking you a question, a very direct question. No, no, you have to define it. Define the — define it for me, if you will.

I just defined it, sir. Do you believe that Vice President Kamala Harris is only on the ticket because she is a black woman? Well, I can say, no, I think it's maybe a little bit different. So I've known her a long time indirectly, not directly very much. And she was always of Indian heritage, and she was only promoting Indian heritage. I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black, and now she wants to be known as black.

So I don't know. Is she Indian or is she black? She is always identified as a black woman. She went to a historically black college. I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't because she was Indian all the way, and then all of a sudden she made a turn and she went, she became a black person. Just to be clear, sir, do you believe that she is a- I think somebody should look into that too when you ask a continue in a very hostile,

nasty tone. It's a direct question, sir. Do you believe that Vice President Kamala Harris is a DEI hire, as some Republicans have said? I really don't know. I mean, I really don't know. Could be, could be. There are some and there are plenty. I know this lady right over there, Harris, is a fantastic person who just interviewed me at length, and we had a great interview, I think, and I heard you got very good ratings on that interview. Well, you told me it was the longest one of your life, so we had a good discussion. Look, I want to talk about why

you're here today. I mean, it is not lost on us how divided we are as a country. And as you were coming today, we really got to see that we are... Okay, pause right there. Okay, first of all, yeah, there's no way in hell I'm going to let y'all even go run that shameful, despicable question from Harris Faulkner, who was a total embarrassment on the panel today. The young lady, I don't have her name from the scene before, she had no business being on that panel. The only person on that panel, the three people asking questions, who brought credibility, who brought toughness, and who was trying to hold Donald Trump accountable was Rachel Scott from ABC, ABC News. I saw Lindsay Davis in the hallway before I came

out here, and I told Lindsay, I'm going to personally tell Rachel that. She was absolutely amazing. The other two were useless. Their questions were ridiculous. You did not hear questions specifically pertaining to African-Americans. I don't know what the hell Harris Faulkner was talking about. Oh, tell us about why you picked J.D. Vance. And Donald Trump sits there and then gives us a whole damn rundown of his resume. But that was a complete waste of our time. It was a debacle. And also, even how the format was set up.

Had them sitting in these plush chairs? No, they should have had his ass standing at a podium, them at a table, drilling him with questions. Also, NABJ said, oh, we're going to have real-time fact-checking. Not on stage? So what the hell was that about? There was absolutely nothing about this so-called discussion that was worthy to be held here. Nothing. What did we gain from it? Nothing. He showed exactly who he is, a total asshole who says things about black people that

are shameful, pathetic, and despicable. Donald Trump showed us exactly who he was. But NABJ embarrassed themselves when it came to the ground rules that were taking place. When they established it, it was not a strong panel other than Rachel Scott. How the format made no sense whatsoever. And let me tell you something right here. The moment Donald Trump insulted Rachel Scott,

somebody in leadership of NABJ should have stood up and said, wait a minute, you have consistently insulted black female journalists, including April Ryan, including Yamiche Alcindor, who was sitting there on the second row there. You are not going to do that. We're going to have a respectful conversation, but you are not going to be insulting our members. And nobody did that.

They allowed those three sisters to sit up there defenseless against the constant barrage of attacks from Donald Trump calling ABC News fake news. That's why he also shouldn't have been invited, because that's what he does, talking about fake news. This man has had a war against media because he cannot stand being fact-checked. He cannot stand being held accountable. And so what you heard was him repeatedly over and over and over and over and over again lie in that session today. Okay, that was no false pretenses. It wasn't, oh, if she comes, you come.

That was never the case, and he knows it. So he lied about that now i was told that the audio company that when he got there they said audio went out i don't know what the hell this uh i guess uh encore i don't know what the hell that company was about i don't know what the hell they were doing because guess what we were sitting in there you can hear that you can hear the uh the voice of god person announcer you could hear the music playing. So that made no sense whatsoever. And so he tried to sit here and try to portray black people as being, you know, colorful, color time, being late.

That's what he actually tried to do. And so it made no sense whatsoever. NABJ made us look weak. People all around the country, the world, are talking about this here. Very few people are defending what actually took place. And again, if you're out there and you're black and you even think about voting for Donald Trump after what he did there, it was lies. He sat there and talked about HBCU funding. Oh, they were going broke. I guarantee their funding. That was an absolute lie. Undoubtedly a 100% lie.

Oh, these immigrants, they're taking your black jobs. Lie. The serial liar showed us exactly who he is. I think y'all got some other clips. So y'all can play the next clip let's see what this fool what else this fool had to say people from invading our country that are taking

frankly a lot of problems with it but one of the big problems and a lot of the journalists in this room I know and I have great respect for a lot of the journalists in this room I know and I have great respect for, a lot of the journalists in this room are black. I will tell you that coming from the border are millions and millions of people that happen to be taking black jobs. You had the best.

What exactly is a black job, sir? A black job is anybody that has a job. That's what it is, anybody that has a job. All right. Mr. President, can I—. Anybody that has a job. All right. Mr. President, can I... They're taking the employment away from black people. They're coming in, and they're coming in. They're invading.

It's an invasion of millions of people, probably 15, 16, 17 million people. I have a feeling it's much more than that. And everybody's been seeing what's happened. I can't even play. I can't even assault. I can't even assault the eardrums

and the brain cells of the folks who are watching and listening any longer. Again, what you're hearing right there is an absolute, complete, undoubtably liar. 50, 60, 70 million.

That is what he does. And this is why you do not platform serial liars. Because they are going to lie. This is why you have to fact check on stage to his face in real time. This is why you have to shut him down. Listen, again, Rachel handled herself. This is also why I made clear, you need a black man on that stage. I was critical that you did not have

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Robert Petillo, host, People Passion Politics, 1380 WAOK, out of Atlanta. Monique Presley, legal analyst, host, Make It Make Sense with Monique Presley, Joy Cheney, founder of JOI Strategies. Glad to have all three of you on the panel. We don't have Monique yet, so let me know, y'all, when she's there. Robert, your assessment of that crap that we witnessed today here in Chicago? Well, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I think it could have been a constructive argument. It could have been something where we actually got a contrast between both parties and what the positions were for the African-American community. What we got was what we saw, which is the standard Trump lies, obfuscations, filibustering,

running out the clock when there are tough questions that he doesn't want to answer. And there was very little information portrayed. I still have no idea what President Trump's policy is on health care. I don't know what President Trump's policy is on education. I don't know what his policy is on criminal justice reform or infrastructure. I don't know what his policy is on Social Security or Medicare or any entitlement programs. And the fact that we can't get these fundamental questions answered is why you cannot platform President Trump unless it is in such a way that you can Trump-proof the event. Think about the rules that President Biden had to put in place just to try to contain

Trump during the first debate, saying that you have to have a timer, saying that you have to turn off his microphone, that you have to be able to fact-check him in real time. These are things that you have to do, because otherwise you see what—he is a master at turning this into a 1990s Howard Stern radio interview, changing the topic and running out the clock, because he understands he does not have to and does not have any intention to actually answer big questions. But from the Trump side of things, this was an opportunity for him to really portray what

should attract African-Americans to his campaign. We've seen in recent polling that even with the switch to Kamala Harris, that Kamala Harris is getting about 70 percent black votes in the recent CNN poll, compared to over 90 percent that President Biden got in 2020. As she introduces herself to the country, does more rallies than she did in Atlanta yesterday, that will continue to increase. But this will present Trump's opportunity to really portray to the African-American community nationwide that he is going to need to carry states like Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota. He's going to need the black vote to help push him over the line there. He made no progress in actually saying what his policies will be for those communities

and how electing him again will not take us back to a place where many African-Americans were uncomfortable at in 2020 and in the first term of his administration. He did nothing to dissuade the concerns people have about Project 2025, which very much aims to overturning every piece of progress we made during the civil rights movement in the 1960s until today. So I think it was overall a failed event. But I do hope that there will be other opportunities in the next 100 days for President Trump to address the African-American community, present his record, and actually answer the hard questions. It just can't be thrown together in a couple of days. It can't be in that

type of format, as you said. You have to Trump-proof it. But I think we do need to hear his answer to what he means and what he intends to do for the Black community. But he's not going to answer those questions, Joy. We know exactly what the hell's going on here and so what his whole job there was to filibuster filibuster filibuster he just ran roughshod over every single question when they tried to push when they tried to push back and really i'm talking about uh i'm talking about um uh really it was rachel who was the only one who was really trying to push back. Harris, I don't know what the hell she was doing. And so it was just it was it really was an abomination. Is Joy there?

Joy's up there. Let's go to Monique. Yeah, listen, it's not normal time. OK, Joy, go right ahead. Can you hear me? Donald Trump isn't normal. Yep, go right ahead. And I think I can hear you, but I don't, can you hear me?

We hear you. Go ahead. Joy, we can hear you. Go ahead. Donald Trump is not normal. He is just a complete aberration. He is not someone that you can say, I'm going to have this guy on. He's going to share his policies.

He's going to move forward. It's not that. And I think all of our groups, including some of the groups that I advise, we learned a lot today. You cannot simply have him on. Robert is absolutely right. You can't simply have him on. And you may not be able to have him on at all because he doesn't want to abide by rules that are about showing who he is as a candidate and what he would bring to the table. Or maybe that is what he's showing.

He's a fool. He's engaged in insult. He's engaged in playing and circus making. This was not about bringing on Black voters. This was about ginning up what he perceives to be is a white male racist base. That's what this is. He was performing for them, throwing things at the wall, seeing what might stick, right? I mean, it's almost like improvisational performance art. And we have to put it in the proper context. You can't be serious when you're dealing with a clown. Sometimes you have to say, you know what, sir,

either you live by these rules so that we can actually have a real discussion or you don't show up at all. Or you don't invite him because you know what he is going to do. Guys, Monique said her signal is freezing. We're trying to actually get her back on. There was a question that was asked regarding Sonia Massey. And even I just, my God, ask the question. Ask the question. Kadia Goldblatt with sema ford and again i mean i i don't know who she is um you know what i i i'm sorry i'm sorry somebody has to say it kadia gulba should not have been on that stage so here was a sonia massey question i'm sorry it's very clear i I hear you. Okay. So, Sadia Massey, someone from Illinois, an unarmed black woman, was shot the other day in her home by a deputy sheriff. The deputy has since been charged with murder.

You said police would get immunity from prosecution if you went. Why should someone like that officer have immunity, in your opinion? Immunity? Immunity. I don't know the exact... So, pause, pause, pause. Okay, so here's why I was kicked off by listening to that. First of all, Sonia Massey, unknown woman,

in her home, she shot. No, she was shot and killed. She was shot in the face by the officer. She was boiling a pot of hot water. She said, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. Then he shot and killed. She was shot in the face by the officer as she was boiling a pot of hot water. She said, I rebuke you in the name of Jesus. Then he shot and killed. Well, she didn't say how the sheriff has apologized. Then she says, well, you said immunity.

No, he said 100% immunity for all police officers so they can do their job. Here's the other thing which I don't understand in ABJ. Why in the hell are you not rolling clips? Why are you not saying saying this is what you said play the video i mean i don't understand that we produce television every single day how about you actually produce this questioning so anyway play his pathetic answer but i saw something and it didn't look it didn't look good to me it didn't look good to me are you talking with the water right yeah well police it didn't i good to me. It didn't look good to me. Are you talking with the water, right?

Yeah, well, I mean, police unions are not backing this person either. But again, why would... They're going to be charging the officer. I guess they're charging the officer. So why should he receive immunity? Well, he might not. I mean, it depends. It depends on what happens.

I'm talking about people that are much different cases than that. We need people to protect ourselves. And by the way, in Chicago, as an example, a few weeks ago, July 4th weekend, they had a hundred. Stop the video. Classic. Guys, I didn't want to see you stop. I want you to stop it. Here's the deal.

That's classic Trump. It's classic Trump. Pivot. Don't want to actually answer the question. That's when you say, no, one second. Well, it depends upon the circumstances. Here were the circumstances. She thought that was an intruder. She called the cops. She ends up dead. The cop who shot her didn't turn his body camera on. His partner did. That's when you ask the question and you fill in the details. You do not allow somebody to just ramble and ramble and ramble. And then what does he do? He then shifts the conversation. Well, let's talk about Chicago. This happened over July weekend.

They had more than a hundred shootings. Now, if he goes there, then you say, okay, we'll talk about Chicago shootings. Let's talk about gun control. Let's talk about how most of the guns in Chicago come from across the border in Indiana, where your former VP, the one you love to have killed, was the governor there. See, you do not let him out of the box. That's what you do not do. That's exactly what we saw happen. And so here's more of his rambling answer. And 17 shootings and 17 deaths. Nobody wants that. Nobody wants that. We need to have our police officers have the respect and dignity back.

In this particular case, I saw something that didn't look good to me. I didn't like it. I didn't like it at all. So can you get a little more specific back to the immunity question? Who would make those those? Well, right now, for the most part, for the most part, people are protected by their unions, by their police unions or by their police departments. But I'm saying if if I felt or if if a group of people would feel that somebody was being unfairly prosecuted because the person did a good job maybe with crime or made a mistake, an innocent mistake.

There's a big difference between being a bad person and making an innocent mistake. But if somebody made an innocent mistake, I would want to help that person. What would those exceptions be? What would determine an innocent mistake? You go after somebody and it's a very close call and it's very dangerous.

And, you know, they have... The policeman's life in women is a very difficult thing because sometimes you have less than a second to make a, you know, life and death decision. And sometimes very bad decisions are made. They're not made from an evil standpoint, but they're made from the standpoint of they made a mistake. So I want to follow up really quickly.

You know, I find it interesting because you do talk about reigning in prosecutors, especially when it comes to prosecutors that are prosecuting you. Why doesn't that skepticism apply to law enforcement? Well, I've been prosecuted because I'm a political opponent of. Right there. Stop right there. Oh, I've been prosecuted because I'm a political opponent of... Right there. Stop right there. Oh, my God. Stop right there. That man just sat there and said, well, you know, things happen in a split second.

How does nobody say, sir, but she's dead? Sonia Massey is dead. And then what you then do is recount the other black people who are dead. You press the point and say, that split second determines life or death. But you want to give them immunity. Guess what you didn't hear? You didn't hear anybody say, because when you were president, you had Jeff Sessions and Bill Barr who says, we're going to pull back on consent decrees because it's going to hurt the morale of cops.

Then somebody has to say, I'm sorry. There was only one police and police patterns and practice investigation. It took place in your four years on the Biden Harris is 12. You heard none of that. You heard none of the pressing. They allowed this man to ramble, ramble, ramble. Uh, and, and, and, and, and I swear, Monique, if we were in a courtroom, somebody would object and the judge would turn to the witness and say, I need you to answer the question. Yes, yes. But that wouldn't have worked here either. I think the point, though, I understand that better journalists could have done a better. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding.

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Brought to you by AdoptUSKids, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, and the Ad Council. And I agree with you, hats off to Rachel Scott for doing a yeoman's job today. And then the young woman in the middle was inexperienced, and perhaps they selected her to represent in that manner. And then there's Harris. But he was going to lie no matter how much he was pressed. The only issue the part of the organization to bring the rapist into the house, invited to sit at the table to rape us again. And that's what it looked like to me. That was my experience and that of so many others who I've been speaking with about it. That's not the way we should run our households. NABJ is not a media outlet. And so what was done could have been done if these journalists wanted to interview this man

and let him lie kind of on their own time, their own dime, not at the convention, then it's their obligation to try to get answers out of him. But I don't think that it would have mattered. I think that any good journalist would still be stuck with the first question because he was never going to answer. Well, a person won't answer if you allow them to just ramble and go on and on and on. And that to me, I'm sitting there in the front row. Just so y'all know, when y'all heard Trump reference some guy up here, he was talking about me. Because, yes, I was literally saying, that's a lie.

That's a lie. You lying. And so the NAVJ folks were like, hey calm down security gonna move i said security gonna remove who i said okay let's see let's see that happen and so then you had some little punk who used to be a little racist little punk used to be the executive producer of tucker carlson he had a little camera crew. So all of a sudden they were inside of the gate. And so Homeboy fixes his camera on me and y'all know I'm real black. I leaned in and said, you make sure you got this in focus.

And so that's why the video y'all see going around where this dude came up to me, trying to challenge me. He was with, that was his little camera and his little punk. And so then he wanted this dude came up to me, was trying to challenge me. He was with, that was his little camera and his little punk. And so then he wanted to, first he touched me, I said, man, don't you ever touch me again. And so then he said, well, I want to shake your hand. I said, man, I'm not shaking your damn hand. I don't want to. Yeah, that's the little punk right there. And so he was trying to question, you know, how'd you even have a seat on the front row? I said, first of all, who the hell you think you are? I said, let me be real clear with you. I said, I'm a life member. I'm in the hall of fame. I'm a three-time board member. I said,

I'm a journalist of the year. I said, my, my, I said, this is my 35th year in NABJ. I said, man, I don't want to hear crap from you. See, let me explain something to y'all. Y'all can go on social media. Y'all can see that clip, but see, here's what you do. You don't give an inch to these thugs. You don't give an inch to, and I made it clear to him, because his cameraman was talking trash. I said, you might want to be quiet. I'll have you removed. You can't have me removed.

I said, no, no, you are our guest. Let me be real clear. We can throw your ass out of here. See, Robert, see, here's the deal. See, they think, these little conservative punks think, they think that you got some weak and meat black folks. I'm like, no, y'all talking to the wrong one. I said, trust me, if his ass had touched me again,

he was going to get arrested for assault. See, I'm not going to back down from these punks and these trolls who want to sit here and think that they're going to sit here and attack our black female journalists and think ain't no black men in the room to stand up for them. I'm like, y'all got another thing coming. This is part of the issue that we have with siloed media and the kind of siloed country that we live in. There's an entire portion of this country that if all you consume is conservative talk radio, conservative bloggers, conservative podcasts, conservative news media, you go to Trump rallies and those sorts of things, they legitimately believe that like a third of that room were going to be pro-Trump supporters. They legitimately believe that after Trump's mugshot and almost

assassination and, you know, you have Amber Rose at the conference and you got 50 Cent playing, they really thought that there was like a groundswell of support and love that Donald Trump was going to walk into. And they also, because they don't have any Black friends and they don't consume anything Black that is not filtered through a whitewash filter, they think that all the Black folks they encounter are going to be, you know, Tim Scott and Aaron Donald, that as soon as you say something to them, you're going to, you know, I guess they thought you're going to pull out a banjo or something and start singing the blues to them. But that's just—when you have that portion of America that views things in that nature, it becomes almost impossible to have policy-related discussions.

And this is what has happened to our political system, where if there's no discussion about actual political issues, they're going to be impacting us. I would have loved to hear one of the journalists say—have President Trump's first response to Israel carrying out an assassination on foreign soil that may implicate the U.S. And I'm moving our Navy into that area. I think that's a question that needs to be answered, but not just a local and a Black community question, but from the international community question. And when our entire politics devolves into this kind of gotcha, he said, she said, tabloid sort of

internet troll form of politics, where you have these weird incels like Charlie Kirk and the Talking Point USA people who are more interested in owning the list than actually doing anything. It is not a way that you choose a president. It's not a way that you run a country. It is a dangerous precedent to set, because our our enemies are watching both domestically and abroad. And when they see this form of chaos, they see an opportunity to strike. And I think it's important to understand this should not have happened in this way. You do not invite a tiger to dinner. You do not have a question and answer

with Trump that you're not ready for. And I quite frankly think the first question would be, Donald Trump, you are a rapist. So can you explain to us why the women of this country should vote for you as a rapist? The 27 women have accused you of sexual assault. What would you say to female voters to calm them as to why you as a rapist and someone accused of sexual assault should be here? There are a lot harder questions that could have been asked. But I think that when you have a situation with Trump, it doesn't matter what the question is because he's not going to answer. So you have to put everything into the question

almost like a cross-examination, and you have to box it in where only he can answer yes or no. Yeah, and so versus sitting here just rambling, rambling, rambling, rambling, rambling, which is what he does because he's real good at it. Yeah, and so versus seeing him just ramble and ramble and ramble and ramble and ramble, which is what he does because he's real good at it. All right, y'all. Shelly Winter, conservative talk show host out of Atlanta. He joins us right now.

Shelly, your boy looked like a damn fool embarrassing himself. Oh, Kamala Harris, when did she become black? When I met her, she was Indian. And then he starts off immediately insulting Rachel Scott at ABC, who was literally repeating back to him words, his own words. And so do you defend Donald Trump's actions today in Chicago? Well, first of all, it's a pleasure being on here. I appreciate the invitation. But look at how you started the question. Do you see what I'm saying?

This whole day is broken down into exactly how you just started the question. Your boy looked like a damn fool today. Okay, so now where do I go from there? And then you ask me if I'm defending him. Defending what part of a hour? No, no, no, no. Actually, actually, Shelly, I was very specific.

And that is, not Shelly, Shelly. I was very specific when I said he opened up. Shelly, hold on. Shelly, he opened up with a direct attack on Rachel Scott. Shelly, I will finish the question. You can answer. He opened up with a direct attack on Rachel Scott in terms of where she repeated words that he had actually said.

And then, oh, most horrible question, how you just mistreat me. And, you know, fake news. You're at ABC. Not want to answer the question. He turned it into a personal attack on rachel scott is that how somebody a commander in chief should to behave well i don't know if it's a way to behave when you're walking into a hostile willingly obviously into a hostile situation and you're getting the first question. The question was hostile? Well, yeah. How was it hostile? I'll tell you, because every single person. How was it hostile?

I mean, every single person, everything that she asked him was something he was responding to attacks from others. For instance, she said, you attacked three African-American female journalists. Well, yeah, he did. He also attacked Jim he did. He also attacked Jim Acosta. He also attacked Chris Cuomo. He also attacked every reporter who came at him, which is why he came up with the term fake news. Look, if we want to play this game, like Robert said, I would have rather, I thought Harris Faulkner is not getting any credit because she actually asked the best questions, which were, what are you going to do on your first day?

Why are you here? What are the policies you want to do for black people? Actually, actually, actually, actually, her questions were trashed. Actually, her questions were trashed. Harris Faulkner should have never been on that. No, no, no. Harris Faulkner

should have never been on that panel. Harris Faulkner should never have been on that panel. Harris Faulkner should never be on that panel or anybody from Fox News after Fox News settled for $787 million, a lawsuit, where they advanced Donald Trump's life by the 2020 election. They lost their credibility and integrity on that. Double CNN. No, no, she should have not been on that stage. Double CNN and three times MSNBC.

You're in this business. You know what ratings mean. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Was they sued? No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no.

No. Did Fox News advance lies about the 2020 election? Yes or no? Did CNN advance lies for 2020 election? No. Did Fox? Shelley? Did Shelley? Shelley, this is real basic.

Shelley, this is what makes no sense. Shelley, what's so silly is you can't even win this argument because Rupert Murdoch had to sign... Rupert Murdoch had to agree to a $787 million settlement because they knowingly advanced lies, Donald Trump's lies, even though they know it was false. They knowingly advanced Tucker Carlson's lies, which is why he got fired.

So now let's move back to Harris. No, no, no, no, no, Shelly. No, Shelly. Shelly, this is the problem. No, no, no, no, no, Shelly. No, Shelly. Shelly, this is the problem. No, no, Shelly. Shelly, it wasn't. First of all, Shelly, Shelly, actually, Shelly, factually, Shelly, factually, Shelly, Shelly, factually, you're wrong. First of all, Carlson was rarely even mentioned in the depositions.

Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, and a host of others, Laura Ingram and others. This was a widespread. This was widespread. No, Shelly host of others, Laura Ingram and others. This was a widespread. This was widespread. No, Shelly, Shelly, Shelly, we don't lie on this show. Shelly, we don't lie on this show. It was known from the top to bottom. Rupert Murdoch, Suzanne Scott, the CEO. Shelly, Shelly, hold on.

Numerous hosts, numerous reporters, numerous producers. This was a system-wide massive lie, and that's what they did. So how can you say it was just Tucker? How was Harris Faulkner won? Simple question. No. So let's now go back to why you have me on here. Harris Faulkner is with a network.

Well, first of all, first of all, first of all, having you on, the Trump debacle in NABJ actually changed it. Let me ask you this next question. Do you find it strange that Donald Trump would talk about how, well, I thought she was Indian and and now she's claiming she's Black. Do you find that to be offensive to African Americans, suggesting that this woman, who's Black as well as Indian, where he says, oh, she's Black. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up. So now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey

Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Business Week editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated

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never stop being a dad that's dedication find out more at fatherhood.gov brought to you by the u.s department of health and human services and the ad council He's now claiming to be black. I don't, I wouldn't have advised, let me answer that question and please give me time to answer it. I didn't know. No, no, no, I asked the question, go get your answer, go ahead. Yeah, I didn't like the answer.

I wouldn't have advised him to answer that, but I do understand the political ram, the political attack in the answer because what he's doing is he's talking to, because we know there are a number of what I call autos people, autos type, for lack of a better word. There are a number of African-Americans who don't believe she's authentically black. So he's talking to that issue. And he's also playing up the quote, unquote, is she phony? Is she playing a game? Is she black when she needs

to be something else when she doesn't need to be married to a white guy? All of those things, that answer. Now, I wouldn't have advised him to answer that way because I think it would have been if you call into question too many of things that you've already been attacked on. So I would never have advised it. But politically, and this is all politics, politically, it plays well to that black audience that you're picking up who don't trust her or like her. And we do know if you step outside your bourgeois boule crew, you know, people, working class African-Americans don't trust her and they don't like her. So now that is a, that does play well politically. I wouldn't have

advised it. Not at all. Well, actually, well, actually, actually, Shelly, well, actually, actually, Shelly, I dare say, uh, you can talk about your bourgeois, whatever the heck, I guarantee you, I spend more time around working black, working class, black folk, regular black folk that you can even think about. Uh, so that, so that, so that, that, that little cute comment, She. So that little cute comment, Shelley, that little cute little comment you made there is utterly irrelevant to me. Let me also ask you this here. Shelley, I'm asking you this here. Shelley, first, I'm going to ask you another question. When Donald Trump sat there and began to lie about abortions in the ninth month, that's a lie. That was a flat out lie.

Why does he keep lying about that? Because there are a number of people on the Republican side who are taking, I forgot the Virginia governor's the candidate. He was a Virginia governor, ran for election again and lost. Terry, I forgot his last name, whoAuliffe. But it's a lie. It's a lie. And he keeps saying it. So why does he keep advancing a lie? Well, because there are people who have talked about abortion, late-term abortion.

Now, what Republicans are doing is playing the same game that you play. Is late-term abortion ninth month? Late-term abortion. Actually, I don't play games.. Actually, I don't play games. You do. I don't play games. I deal in facts. No, I'm not.

No, I'm repeating what he said. You're calling the game. It's not a game to me. This is real life. And I'm answering the question. The question is that there are Democrats who want late term abortions. Republicans take that to mean eighth, ninth month abortions. I don't think—I don't agree. But they're lying. They're lying.

What do you mean they're lying? There are Democrats who want late-term abortions. They are. They are. Stacey Abrams— What I'm saying is— Robert Petillo's here in Georgia. Stacey Abrams won a late term abortion. Listen, man, about the lies, you know, PolitiFact checked all the lies. Most of the lies, he said that Kamala Harris didn't pass the bar exam. She didn't her first time. Many millions of people don't pass the first time. Millions of great lawyers didn't pass the first two or three times.

That is no harbinger whether you're smart or not. So I didn't agree with that attack either. Let me ask you this question. Let me ask you this question. Let me ask you this question, Shelly. Why does Donald Trump keep lying about

HBCUs? Today, he talked about how they were going broke, how it gave them a lifeline. He's lying. According to Dr. Walter Kimbrough, who is a three-time HBCU president, Donald Trump, in three consecutive budgets, actually cut HBCU funding. The program Donald Trump cited, his own budget, zeroed that program out. It was Congresswoman Alma Adams of North Carolina, who actually, I'm not done, I'm not done, I'm not done. It was Congresswoman Alma Adams who put it back in the budget. He's lying. I've heard you say it on your show, so you don't have to go through it again.

I heard you say it to the guy that you just showed the video of. I saw the video. So why does he keep lying? He's not lying, because it's semantics. Like I said, he's lying. because it's semantics like i said he's lying issue of issues issue of hold up shelly shelly shelly i'm confused shelly i'm confused shelly hello shelly shelly i'm confused if trump's budget zeros the program out meaning they want to cut the program house and it requires he zeros it out from the department of seesee, this is what I'm saying. It's semantics. You zero out from under the Department of Education and move it to the White House and $250 million, which you know went to under the Futures Act, to BCUs.

Yes, $255 million. See, you're playing semantics. Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Shelly, Shelly, Shelly, Shelly, what you just said is actually wrong. The program that you're speaking of— No, Shelly. She Shelley, Shelley, Shelley, Shelley, let me help you with facts.

The program you're speaking of is $250 million. Only $90 million of that went to HBCUs. The other $160 million went to Hispanic-serving institutions. So he's even lying about the number. Right. So listen, so you said he zeroed it out. So let's go back to that. So now let me finish answering your question because that's 90 million ain't zeroing it out. So let me ask you a question. So there's the semantics. Issuesofhighereducation.com, they talked about this and anybody can Google it listening to me right now. And you'll see the HBCU presidents all said that Donald Trump was good.

There's a yes and a no. He was good. And he and there was some areas where he's taking credit for things that were bipartisan. My question, my answer to that is, well, the president doesn't every politician take credit for the work of what they sign? Presidents take credit for what they sign into office. Every congressman that voted on the Futures Act, bipartisan, Republican, Democrat, to their constituents and said, I got through the Futures Act. Everyone does it. That's politics.

But you said he's loaded out. So in your world, so Shelly, in your world, in your world, in your world, Shelly, Ronald Reagan, Shelly, in your world, Ronald Reagan could take credit for signing the bill to make Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday a national

holiday, even though he opposed it the entire time. But because he signed it, oh, he's going to take credit. Here's the bottom line. Under Biden-Harris, HBCUs have received more money than they ever have not done. And under Biden-Harris, HBCUs have received more money than they ever have in American history. What Donald Trump is saying is a lie. Donald Trump did not provide, he did not provide a guaranteed lifeline to HBCUs.

He did not. He's talking about a program that was $250 million, and they provided billions. Come on, Doc. So by Jaron, the man you should go to and ask him what Joe, I mean, what. Hey, I've talked. Hey, Shelly, Shelly, I've talked, Hey, I, I, Hey, Shelly, Shelly, I've talked to Jaron and guess what? The fact of the matter is this here.

If you had to compare Trump, Pence, Biden, Harris, it's not even comparison who has helped HBCUs more. Here's the last question I have for you. And here's the last question I have for you. And I'm, I really hope you can answer this question before Trump left the white house to be forced out. I sent an email to the White House saying, I need y'all to provide the data of what has been the impact on empowerment zones. No one has presented that. I had a black pastor from Baltimore who was with Trump and with the

announcement. Hold up, hold up, Shelly, I'm going to let you answer it. Six months later that brother came on my show and he said this is this has been a failure here's the question i have for you where is the data that shows the amount of money invested from empowerment zones how many black people have started businesses or got oh what happened what happened oh man no problem all right shelly uh so roland had a couple technical difficulties the question he was asking was about the actual impact of these opportunities so so go ahead yeah go ahead real quick just what is the impact of the election if we have that bond? So the data I've been looking for the data as well, Robert, and I'll be I'll be totally honest with you.

I can't find the data either. And I don't think many people can. One of the problems that I think exists is that opportunity zones came along. I think the third I think the second late part latter part of the second or into the third year of Donald Trump's term. And I think it was not well promoted. I think there were a lot of attacks on it from the press, from the media, from Democrats. And I think that's where it got lost. But I've been asking the same question. The program is there, but I can't find out, you know, many of us can't find out how to get in touch with it. We have people in Atlanta who worked on it. I remember there was a meeting, Coca-Cola, I believe, where a bunch of black businessmen came. They heard a presentation about it. They heard about different areas like Campbellton Road that was going to be under that Opportunity Zone process. So I have the same

question, to be quite honest with you. But the program exists. Now, how effective has it been? I don't know. But I can name hundreds of programs that have been implemented by government that don't work or we don't have any data on. But, Shelly, here's my whole deal, Shelly. When somebody comes in front of me and tells the program how great it's been for black people, here's the deal, though. I want to see the data. Now, if the program is as great as they are describing, I will say it, but there's no data to back up the assertion. My brother, that's a fair attack.

That's a fair attack. I'll give you that one fair attack throughout the whole night. I will tell you, though. First of all, you don't have to give it to me because I got four or five, but go ahead. Make your final comment. Make your final comment before I go to break. My final comment is this. I think that, one, I think that it was a bold move for him to go to the NABJ. I don't agree with the other panelists who say he shouldn't have been there. He shouldn't have been invited because you had pointed out yesterday that he had been invited since 2016.

He just never went. He decided to go now because it's it's a good thing to do. Right. I don't think that anybody should say he shouldn't have been there. They shouldn't have invited him. This is a convention full of journalists who are supposed to ask questions. What I will say is I disagree with you and Robert when you say you would have, because you guys were setting up what would have been a debate with Donald Trump, not a question and answer, which is what it was designed to be. And so I do, I think it was a good thing that he went. I think the, she is now black. I thought that was mishandled from the

very beginning. I would have stayed on the young lady, Ms. Scott, not knowing the definition of DEI. I would have pushed her there. I would have kept on that. She knew it. Of course she did it, but she didn't answer it. So I would have kept on that. What I'm saying is when you're in these situations and you're in a hostile environment, and clearly one, at least one, the middle young lady was trying to play it fair and Harris was trying to play it fair. What you guys wanted was a debate

with Donald Trump, and I don't think that was that would have been bad. No, not true. Not true. I'm talking. No, actually, actually, no, no, no. No, it's not true. I would say me and Robert wouldn't want to debate. No, actually, actually, no, no, no. No, it's not true. I would say me and Robert, me and Robert wouldn't want to debate. We would actually want him to answer the question.

Shelly, we would want him to answer the questions asked. And the bottom line is, what he did was he filibustered. He moved around. And he didn't do it. I know you got to do your radio show. I know you got to do your radio show. I know you got to do your radio show. I got to go to a break. We'll have you back. Love you, Shelly. I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Folks, we'll be right back on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Sun Network.

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Well, of course, we had lots of reaction from today. Karine Jean-Pierre, White House Press Secretary, had this to say from the podium after the debacle, the Donald Trump debacle at NABJ in Chicago. Who is in this position that is standing before you at this podium behind this lectern. What he just said, what you just read out to me is repulsive. It's insulting. And you know, no one has any right to tell someone who they are, how they identify.

That is no one's right. It is someone's own decisions. It is, I'll add this, only she can speak to her experience. Only she can speak to what it's like. She's the only person that can do that. And I think it's insulting for anybody. It doesn't matter if it's a former leader, a former president. It is insulting. And we have to put, she is the Vice President of the United States, Kamala Harris. We have to put, she is the vice president of the United States, Kamala Harris. We have to put some respect on her name, period. Thank you. Oh my goodness. Go

ahead, John. All right, folks. The Harris campaign certainly had a lot to say about this in terms of the statement they released. And so I really thought it was very strong. I'm going to pull up in a second. Let me pull up Monique, Joy and Robert. So I'm going to I'm going to read this in a second. So but I tell you what, Monique, their rapid response was really important because they framed it in terms of exactly how Donald Trump behaves, how he acts. He talked about how rude he was, how he is constantly disrespectful to journalists and black journalists. And so they were hitting him hard in their response back.

Yeah, because he's an asshole. That's why. And he shouldn't have been allowed to be an asshole in our home where our sisters are supposed to be safe. And I know that they are grown women and agree with you, Roland, that it should have been men and women. I don't think it should have been necessary for a man to have to step up to protect a black woman in this space from this crotchety, amoral, felon, old-ass man. I mean, I don't think that that should have been necessary. I think that the organization should have been protective. And if they were going to do something like that, it shouldn't have happened in the format that it was in. And so now, you know, when would Black women got to make a statement? White House got to make a statement. Kamala HQ got to make a statement. Kareem got to make a statement. Kareem got to make a statement. We got to talk about it for an hour. Unforced error, NABJ. Unforced error about a known idiot. He did exactly what we said he was going to do. And I see people,

even white people who mean to be allies, who were saying, look until the end. He made an idiot of himself. This is hilarious. Nothing about it is funny. To me, I would have been ready to fight. I'm glad I wasn't there. Because for real, you want to see the other side of this black woman? Call my sister out of her name. Interrupt when one of my other sisters is trying to talk. Try to make delegitimate my American-born vice president the same way you did with the first black president. None of that is funny to me.

Not one damn bit. And so even the people who are laughing, what I said on Twitter is maybe this is where our coming together can be of help. Because when my race and sex is being disrespected. I do not find that humorous. We as black women have been beaten up too much in these centuries in this country for you to laugh at that shit like it's some kind of joke. And so, no, I don't see a remedy here. I understand everything everybody is saying about ways it could have been done better. But I return back to my original comment. It should not have happened. I was made to feel unsafe in places where we're supposed to be safe.

And that is not the way it's supposed to go. And forgive my language for all y'all who expect me to be elder. And Joy, first of all, you ain't got to forget your language. Joy, the point there about, you know, we talk about safe spaces. This is what I have to keep reminding a bunch of these folks at NABJ this. The role of journalists is our job. Yet when we are here, we are members of an organization. What we do as members of an organization is different than what we do in our jobs.

So, for instance, NABJ takes funds from different entities. Someone can say, well, you know, as journalists, we shouldn't be doing that. No, we are an organization. I literally had to explain to our board members this. We released a statement. We were working on this statement. And they wanted to put the reaction from the company in a statement. I said, y'all stop. This ain't no story. This is a statement.

So the problem is, sometimes we have folk in NABJ who are trying to act like all decisions you make, you're making as that of a journalist. Yet when I was on the board of NABJ, I was operating as an officer. In fact, so my voting can't be based upon how I personally benefit. It's how we give a thumbs down award to

CNN, MSNBC, and all the networks for not hiring a single black show host. The board had to vote. Some people came to me and they said, Roland, you shouldn't vote on this because you're one of the folks in line to get a show on CNN.

And I said, and when I spoke to the board, I said, when I chose to run for the office, I chose to represent the interest of NABJ and its members. I cannot make a vote sitting on the. And in fact, we had one. We had one. I saw her earlier. She got mad at me. How dare you vote against your company?

I told her, I said, but I'm sitting in this room. I ain't sitting here with CNN. I'm not sitting in here with TV One. I'm sitting here for NABJ. And I said, I have to vote how I believe in the best interest of our organization, not my personal interest. And that's the mistake I told a bunch of people that today, that when we control who we invited in, we controlled the conversation. He doesn't get to dictate to us by saying, well, I'm a public figure, you're a journalist. No, here we are members of NABJ

that is separate from what our daily jobs are. Facts. I think that is something that's called integrity and understanding what your role is. Many of us are part of Greek letter organizations. And if you've ever brought in people, you know, there are family members of yours that you love. You would never invite it. Why? Because you have a different responsibility when you're in the org. NABJ should have been thinking about themselves as an organization who gave their platform to a clown to perform for his base. And that was not a good use of NABJ's time. But then once they decided to have him, they had him, let's move on. Once they had him on there, they should have been prepared to have him on there and should have been prepared to make him focus on the facts and the public policy and the things that would help people make a decision about whether he's right for the country if they were having him on. But now let's go to Donald Trump because all is not lost.

And I love that that's what the Harris campaign made clear today. This is who he is. He has reminded us yet again who he is. He does not care about Black people. We are but a means to an end to actually inspire crazy white people. That's who he's really trying to target. So we've got to make a choice. If you are a black person like our former guests on the show who's looking at him, this is not someone who cares about you. He is making a fool of you. You are clearly lost. This is not someone who wants to see you do well. This is someone who is using you as a tool to try to gain votes from people

who do not value or respect you. So Donald Trump has reminded us again, much like when he did his speech at the convention of who he is. So, you know, while I don't, I agree it's not funny, although I did laugh because I think that his outbursts and his acting and the fact that he has to be so performative

is to try to inspire his base, which is very demoralized right now because they see Democrats being so energized. But, and it's a sign that their internal polling is telling them something else, that they need to be desperate. So in some respects, I laugh because I understand politics and I understand what this is

about. But you're right. It was insulting and it was offensive. And it's a reminder of how far we have to go. But when you have Donald Trump on, it's something you have to expect. There is no safe space with him. If you have him, you know what, you have to be prepared for it. And they were not today. Yeah. Robert, I want to read. This is the statement the Harris for president campaign release. It's his statement on Donald Trump showing exactly who he is at NABJ. The hostility Donald Trump showed on stage today is the same hostility he has shown throughout his life, throughout his term in office, and throughout his campaign for president as he seeks to regain power and inflict his harmful Project 2025 agenda on the American people. Trump lied personal attacks and insults at Black journalists the same way he did throughout his presidency, while he failed Black families and

left the entire country digging out of the ditch he left us in. Donald Trump has already proven he cannot unite America, so he attempts to divide us. Today's tirade is simply a taste of the chaos and division that has been a hallmark of Trump's MAGA rallies this entire campaign. It's also exactly what the American people will see from across the debate stage as Vice President Harris offers a vision of opportunity and freedom for all Americans. All Donald Trump needs to do is stop playing games and actually show up to the debate on September 10th. Thoughts? Oh, what a difference two weeks can make in American politics. As they say, a day is a year in politics. And this time, about two weeks ago, President Trump was riding high. He was at

the RNC convention. He had just survived an assassination attempt. He was leading in almost every poll. You know, you had Amber Rose and Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock, Dana White, all at the RNC convention. You know, he talked about expanding the base of the party. And the discussions with the Republican side of the aisle weren't about whether or not he would win. It was about how they're going to have an electoral mandate to the point that they could actually institute Project 2025, that they would actually be able to take control of both the House and the Senate. And Democrats were on defense as to what they were going to do to simply have some leverage of control for an eventual, if not inevitable, Trump takeover.

Fast forward two weeks, President Biden drops out of the race, a couple hundred million dollars get raised, start having calls, including a call organized by you, Roland, with hundreds of thousands of people on discussing how they'd support the Harris campaign. You're going to have these big events coming up, where you have the event in Atlanta, where you have the rollout of the vice president, where you're going to have these big events coming up, where you have the event in Atlanta, where you have the rollout of the vice president, where you're going to have the Democratic National Convention, where there's no bright light at the end of the tunnel for Trump right now, and you're seeing the desperation happen as he's grasping defeat from the jaws of victory because of hubris, because he thought that he had this thing locked

up so he could pick someone like a J.D. Vance because his billionaire buddies told him that's who you need to pick. So he can keep talking about these crazy-ass tirades about sharks and getting electrocuted by batteries and Hannibal Lecter and those sorts of things. But now that there's actual competition up against him, he sees that he is losing in all these states, and there are no new Trump voters. That is the problem that he runs into. There is no magic lever of support that he can pull into. He has all the poor white people in the country locked up already.

They are not swing voters. They're on his side. But now you can't go to Latinos. You can't go to women, of course. And now you're coming to the black community after four years in office, four years running for president again, and now you're on the campaign trail trying to find a way to ease your way in. And you've watched enough to say, well, maybe a couple of them will take me in. And you're realizing that that door is closed also. And the question then becomes from the Trump campaign, where do you pick up more momentum?

Where do you pick up new voters? And I don't think there's anywhere. And what you saw from Trump today was a realization that he really may lose this race, that there are no more doors open that he can pick. That's right. Well, I'm going to tell you right now, I'm going to tell you right now when, you know, when the vice president said yesterday in Atlanta, said to my face, black folk, we saw what this fool said to our faces. And again, I don't need to invite crazy into my house for them to leave and go, damn, they crazy. You knew that from the outset. And so that's what you saw. That's what you witnessed. And, you know, you know, Monique Shelley sitting there talking about, oh, how great of a job Harris did.

First of all, how y'all ass wait to Project 2025 to be your last question? And they were actually giving them the rap sign. See, that little silly, so how did you arrive at picking J.D. Vance? Didn't she say she had the longest interview with him? We didn't need to hear that bull crap on the state of NABJ. So again, I just sat there and so I don't care. I don't give a damn. I saw her. I ain't speak to her.

She walked all by her love, five people, whatever. Harris Faulkner is a joke. Harris Faulkner is at Fox News. They are in the tank for Donald Trump. They want him to win. And so therefore, you should not have had anybody on that stage representing Fox News asking that man questions because of the settlement that they paid. And so I don't care. There's some people out there who say, no, man, I like her. That's cool. That's fine. Listen, I remember I took her because, you know, she needed to be around some black folks.

A few years ago, they had the Apollo Spring Gala. So I told her, you know, come on out, roll with me. I went there. And, you know, it was kind of like, ooh, all the black people. It was like, yeah, that's how we actually roll here. But the bottom line is this year, what you heard on that stage, there were no questions focused on black people. There were no questions specific to black agenda.

Monique, she didn't ask about maternal health care. She didn't ask about education. She didn't talk about black economic opportunities. She sat there and was like, here you go, Donald. Do what you will with it. It was because the question was so light. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action,

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brought to you by AARP and the Ad Council. Why did it end at the 35 minutes? Well, because he claims that, well, they had him waiting, so it's supposed to be an hour. And so, therefore, they wouldn't extend it. So it's like, hey, y'all on the clock? So that's on you. That's why. But I was told the real deal is, the real deal is, the whole real deal, I was told that was the excuse. The Trump folk did not want PolitiFact checking him in real time.

But here was the problem. NABJ was doing it on damn Twitter. No, hell no. You need to have their ass on stage with a microphone. And when he finished, say, Elias told, yes, this, this, this. See, you got to check in real time. That's why when Shelly sat there and said

something wrong, no, Shelly, you're wrong. I'm fact-checking you right here. I ain't going to come back in 15, 20, 30 minutes. No. You're going to fact-check his ass on the spot. Which Jake Tapper and Dana Badge didn't do. Which Jake Tapper and Dana Badge didn't do at June 27th debate.

Monique, go ahead. Yeah, that wasn't and that wasn't a debate. I said that on your show on the night of. I just keep saying it. No debate happened. But I I think every everyone who's on the stage holds responsibility for Project 2025 not being at the front of their presentations. Because, I mean, especially in light of, what's his name, stepping down yesterday and the Trump campaign acting like they're responsible for that and completely disavowing any connection to Project 2025. And we know that that is all fabrication. And so, I mean, that was, again, just another failed opportunity in a circumstance that shouldn't have been happening in the first place.

I don't know what else to say about it. I mean, listen to this trash tweet. Hey, y'all go to Ben Carson. Robert, listen to this trash tweet. No, I'm sorry, Joe, I'm going to go to you then, Robert. Ben Carson, I commend my friend Donald Trump for going into a hostile environment at NAVJ today and answering tough questions. What time does VP Harris get to Chicago? That's right. She didn't show up because most of the journalists in that room already do her bidding for her.

Ben Carson, you can kiss my ass. Ben Carson is so sad. And yeah, Ben Carson is sad. I don't want to spend any additional time on him. I don't know. How do we find these black people? They are broken. But with respect to MJ again, I actually thought it was fine to have someone from Fox News on, but her fellow journalists should have been able to counter her. That is what I didn't understand. They did not seem to have everyone on there at the level of a Donald Trump. He is a performer. So you have to be ready with a little performance

art as well. What Roland is talking about is also saying if you had a fact checker on that stage, that engages, that meets him where he is. If you are not willing to do that, then you should not have him. They were woefully, woefully unprepared for this moment. And, you know, you can have someone from Fox News. You can. But you have to have someone who is willing to ask the questions and you have to talk to her. Hey, are you willing to do this work? And I'm glad she mentioned CNN. We're putting a lot of emphasis on NABJ. But the fact of the matter is, news media outlets, with the exception of this one, don't handle Donald Trump right, because we keep trying to treat him like he is a normal candidate for office. He is not. He is a freak. He is a performer. He is a clown and he is an expert. Nothing that he did was just random rambling.

He's doing it because he's testing out new material. He's testing out new material. And if we're going to have him on, we have to be ready for it. I'll say it again. We were not ready for it. And for future organizations, think about it. If you are not ready to take him on head to head, it won't matter that you were respectable or whatnot. That's not the game here.

Do not let him use your house to disrespect you and all your people in it. That is not, that is, you are under no obligation to do that. And we have to grow up and understand what time we are in right now. This is serious business. Donald Trump is trying to undermine our democracy. Oh, absolutely. And again, though, Robert, when you are dealing with crazy,

you know what you're dealing with. You know what you're dealing with. You know you're dealing with sheer stupidity. And so that's what you're dealing with. You know what you're dealing with. You know you're dealing with sheer stupidity. And so that's what you're dealing with. At one point, when he kept complaining he couldn't hear Harris, he was like, you know, you're sitting right next to me. You know, yeah, I can hear you just fine.

Ugh. You know, so I just waved at her. Yeah, it was perfect. Rachel was getting underneath his skin. And that right there, Robert, is the point. Well, you know, I'm probably interested. You have to get to get under — Robert, hold on, hold on, Robert. You have to get under his skin. You have to challenge him. He was angry because she came out the gate locked and loaded.

Well, I find it interesting. Much as Republicans talk about DEI as being a bad thing, Donald Trump brought his own DEI moderator. The only reason Harris Faulkner was there, because that's the only black woman he knows. And so you have all this conversation about, well, we have to have a meritocracy. We need the most qualified. You know one conservative black woman journalist. You knew you were going to a black event, and you did roll the dents. Hey, can I get my own DEI

moderator there, not based on qualifications, not based on merit, but based on, well, she's a black woman, and if I have a blonde-haired, blue-eyed girl here answering questions, I'm going to look crazy. Look, in reality, this is where kind of law and media merge, and Monique can talk about this also, that you

have to treat these interviews, as I said, like a cross-examination. And as Roland said, you need to have the clips queued up and synced to the questions you're asking. So you say, so Rachel asked a question. It is a direct question, a yes or no answer. He tries to obfuscate. There's a big-ass screen above my head. We play him just saying that. Now answer the question to what we just played, like as Roland said. You have to treat it that way way because we are now a decade in to Trumpism. I think people forget that from time to time. This is not a new phenomenon.

He's been running for president since 2014, 2015, when he was going on Mourning Joe and pushing his birther conspiracies. We have 10 years of tape on how to play against him. This is like playing against Tom Brady and not knowing he's going to throw a slant across the middle. He's been doing the same damn thing for a decade. How are you not ready for the play that is coming? And I think that when we do the postmortem on this and we have many more black conferences coming up between now and the election, I would love for President Trump to attend. But the questions have to be about what your real agenda is for the black community. They'll be ready to have your feet held to the fire because they don't do this to anybody else.

I'd be damned if anybody shows up at the Jewish convention not talking about either anti-Semitism or support for Israel. You know you're going to have to do it. We let this man slide into the Negro convention, not talk about anything he's going to do for black folks, and then slide out the back door after 30 minutes. I think that's why you're seeing this level of anger. then slide out the black door back door after 30 minutes i think that's why your team is full of anger and roland can i can i say something about robert go ahead go ahead yeah go ahead no i i want to agree with robert um just vociferously but also add this is where i think that the professional organizations really should be working together just because nabj is full of journalists you shouldn't assume that you know how to deal with a criminal or you know how to deal with an agitated, lying witness. But there is training

available so that you can do a better job of that. And that is one of the reasons why our vice president is uniquely situated to be able to handle a debate with someone like him. She definitely, as she's been saying in her new speeches, she knows his type. But it also involves a commitment and a decision. Because if he does not answer that first question and you let him get away with not answering that first question, he will not answer any questions. And so you can't have the same time constraints. You can't have the same kind of pity pat. I'll do a question. Then you do a question. Then you do a question. It has to be that when he rambles, you cut him off. And then you say, and back to my question. And you lead him where he didn't

want to go on his own. And you stay there until he either says he's unwilling to answer it or he cops a plea and says, well, that's my answer. And then you've got to take the win and say, since you are unwilling to answer my question, I will yield to my colleague. I mean, if you're going to get in the ring with him, you've got to mop the floor. And I don't see that level of preparation happening. And I hope that changes. Robert's here. I'm here. Scott's here. Anybody. And I'm not saying there aren't journalists who can do it. I'm just saying cross-examination is different than even regular interviewing or interrogation. These are not even Oprah moments, and she's the queen of interviewing. This is get your ass.

And that is a skill set. And I have not seen it yet, and I agree with my two panelists tonight. If you're not ready for that, don't go in there. Don't do that. It's not for you. Yes. At the very least, they could have answered with, let the record show, he did not answer my question. You can even politely say that. He didn't answer my question. He lied. Our fact checkers are saying this is a half truth, whatever it is. Being able to just do that in real time, you don't even

have, if you don't feel like, hey, this is not a cross-examination, we can't, you know, do the banter, I'm with Monique, but just in case you're not with her, you can at the very least follow up and say, just so you know that this is what happened here. We're moving on, but he failed to answer this question. We're moving on, but he lied again answer this question. We're moving on, but he lied again. You can do that. You can do it respectfully. You don't have to allow him to disrespect you in order to have a fair process. Fair for Donald Trump is holding him accountable. And that takes preparation. I'm not even saying that that is a fault of these journalists. That is a particular skill, and it takes practice. And I think that there has to be a good deal of preparation.

The same way you prepare for debates, I believe the people who are questioning when you're dealing with someone as kind of slippery, who's, and the thing about it is, as I said on your show the night of that other debate, Roland, when you are a pathological liar, you don't have to practice. Anything that comes out of your mouth is what you're saying right then. So he's always ready, but he don't have no boundaries. Nope. Nope. Don't have boundaries at all. All right, y'all, I got to go to a break. We come back, we're going to chat with Isaac Hayes III, a fan base. Man, NABJ has been getting roasted on social media since Monday,

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a social media app. And Isaac, whether it's Twitter, whether it's Fanbase, whether it's Instagram, all the social media platforms, all you see is lots of conversation about this Donald Trump debacle at NABJ in Chicago. Absolutely. This was a mess, but it was a good mess. I think Donald Trump kind of showed his true colors in normal fashion, but in front of a majority Black audience, to be the racist and the bigot and the pretty unsavory character he is.

And listen, from an organizational standpoint, I love the people who say, well, you know, all press is good press. No, that ain't true. NABJ has been getting dragged since Monday night when the announcement came out. And they didn't even release the initial statement. The Trump campaign released their statement. NABJ announcement came out and they didn't even release the initial statement. The Trump campaign released their statement and their BJs came out afterwards. Hell, they were even slow on that. And so this is where, from an organizational standpoint, how it's a classic case of what you do not do when it comes to social media.

They have been failing left and right. Yeah, so, you know, I'm a bit confused as to the miscommunication with legacy journalists such as yourself, with someone like Donald Trump coming and the opportunity for you guys to be able to interview someone of, you know, his magnitude. And I feel a lot of people are saying that they were left out. I don't know. I mean, definitely there's been a it's been a very controversial week for this conference. But I think that there's an opportunity to grow from it, learn from it, recognize people such as yourself that need an opportunity to have the conversation with Donald Trump.

But I thought the women held it down very well for the individual that they were dealing with. And it worked out very, very well because I think Donald Trump is giving soundbites now for the next week from just this 35-minute interview that was supposed to be one hour. And now it's cut down to 35 minutes for all the crazy stuff he was saying, questioning, you know, Vice President Harris's blackness, whether she likes black people, you know, how he's the best president for black people since Abraham Lincoln. So he gave he gave soundbites for sure. Oh, absolutely. And again, I think when you look at, you know, from from from from from organizational standpoint, you do reputation, reputational damage when you make a move and you don't fully think through all of the things that could actually happen. And does it make sense? And again, from from on Monday, I told NABJ direct one. Harris Falkland should not be on the stage to seem before the sisters should not be on the stage. They're a brand-new organization.

You need a black male reporter. And, again, I made it clear. If they had three brothers on the panel and no sisters, I'd be wiped out with a sister saying, this is BS. And three, nobody from black-owned media. And so they sat here, and then they announced after the criticism, oh, we're going to be part of a political political fact. No, you should have had all of that stuff laid out and ironed out on the front end. And so it was like they were just sort of just reacting to all the news that kept coming back. That's why they got hit. Who who makes these decisions, though?

Who makes those decisions about who's going to be? This, to be honest, you have Executive Director Drew Barry, you have President Ken Lemon, and you have other people the president may decide, but at the end of the day, at the end of the day, the buck stops with the president, because we are a member-run organization. Executive Director works for the Executive Committee. So the buck stops with President Ken Lemon. And so he has to and here's the other deal. Okay. I talked about what the vice president's folks said that they offered to do virtual. Well, then last night

when I finished my show, I come back with different folks saying, well, no, NABJ said that wasn't true. Okay. But not true. Put a statement out. So NABJ has not been fully transparent with all of this. And this is what happens when you don't fully understand it and when you don't consider the magnitude of your action. Yeah, I mean, I think those are going to, you know, I mean, transparency and journalism should definitely be there. We're in an age right now where, you know, media is so splintered and it's hard to tell who's telling the truth. And so you would expect or want the NABJ to be up for up front and forward about what was available as far as Vice President Harris being able to speak or be virtual or in person or whatever it is. So I think the ball is dropped there. But I mean,

I'm concerned that with what's going on in media right now, that there is it's hard to trust media anymore because I think so much has become about the views and not the facts. And so, you know, Twitter is totally compromised. You can't trust anything that's on Twitter anymore. Most people are sending out snippets, Fox News, Newsmax. You can't trust. They're literally lying. So for views, I'm a little concerned about CNN with some of their coverage of Trump and some of the things that really don't hold him accountable, even in that first debate with Biden. They really didn't fact check him. They just got to let him go up there and lie. So we need journalism and journalists and platforms like the NABJ to hold themselves to a higher standard and make sure that the truth is known about everything that's going on.

Questions for the panel. Joy, you first. Yeah, I mean, so I was interested in your take was that, I mean, do you think at the end of the day, this will benefit us because it really shows that Donald Trump, I mean, we already have seen enough, but it just reminds people of who he is? Oh, absolutely. Anytime you can get Donald Trump in front of a microphone, it's an opportunity for him to show his true colors. And something that's extremely important, and I'm noticing this even in this campaign, Hillary Clinton really kind of held her own against Donald Trump, against his tax. Joe Biden kind of held serve and he was kind of, you know, wavering there. But this candidate right here in this culture, a black woman, Donald Trump is no match for a black woman on a debate stage, in clapbacks, in conversation, in truth-telling, in accountability. He's not going to be able to over-talk anybody. And culture, black culture,

is so much a part of this election. And it's going to really show Donald Trump is a weaker candidate than most people recognize him to be because he's pretty much a part of this election. And it's going to really show Donald Trump is a weaker candidate than most people recognize him to be because he's pretty much a bully to everybody else. He talks over other white candidates, disrespects them, and they don't really check. And that's not going to happen in our community at all. I agree. I agree. I'm so glad you said that.

And frankly, I mean, I also think that that's part of his panic. I think that's why you're hearing the crazy things that we're hearing on Fox News that I don't know if we're going to cover it tonight. But the guy who said, if you're a man who votes for a woman, you're going to transition into a woman. That's not. And what I love is he said it was from the scientists. So, I mean, they're saying these things, they're panicking. And so in some respects, I'm actually glad to see it because it shows that their internals are worse than we thought. And they know what's coming. Absolutely.

They're toast. They're making up everything. You know, as this campaign continues, it will become more racist, more sexist, the vitriol, because that's all they know how to do, and that's their only card that they have. And that really worked well against white candidates. But it's not going to work well against a Black candidate, because it's going to really polarize people. And MAGA is going to be isolated in itself as this really racist, fringe, far-right extremist group that's out there.

And they're going to lose a lot of support. By no means we should take our foot off their necks, take the foot off the gas. We should keep the pressure applied. We should definitely be focused on this because I take Project 2025 very seriously, the Supreme Court, qualified immunity, all these things very seriously, but I think more importantly, we should just stay focused, but they're definitely

exposed. They've only got one hand, and that's the racism card and the bigotry card, and it's only going to go so far. You got to keep it up because it's working. I'm with you, brother. Yeah, sure. Monique? Hey there.

How are you? I was just wondering if you had any thoughts in recent days on Twitter. Its owner has been getting misinformation, disinformation about Vice President Harris reposting ads that are manipulated and just getting more and more overt in the tactics, other than doing what we obviously should be, which is patronizing elsewhere. What is it that you think can be done in order to ensure some level of fairness on a platform that so many are still using? Well, a couple of things. I mean, I think Twitter, as it is known, is not what it was because of Elon Musk purchasing a platform. I truly believe, now this is my prediction, I truly believe that Elon Musk bought this

platform to influence the election and thought he was going to be able to do a really good job of doing so. But one thing he did is drove off most of the user base by purchasing the platform. And then now that he's using free speech is no longer a thing. Pete Souza's account got banned today because he posted a photo of Donald Trump's perfectly fine ear that he got shot in by an AR-15. He banned the Dudes for Harris page for raising $4 million. He's posting misinformation. I believe that after this election is over, Elon will have no interest in Twitter and find some way to get out of it or sell it and be done

with it, because the only reason he bought it was to use it as a weapon to try to win the election. The problem that I face and I keep telling everybody is we need other platforms, especially the Black community that's on these platforms. Roland posted something about that. And I'm telling everybody right now, even with Fanbase, I made a commitment to build a Twitter competitor once we reach about $5 million raised in our current round on Fanbase. And I think we need platforms to control and own and invest in and really be places where we can share information and they're not compromised by the founder getting in his feelings and blocking

people at will. So my commitment to everybody here that does invest in fan base, if we raise, we get to about five or $6 million by October, I will build a Twitter competitor by the end of the year. And we can absolutely do it at fan base. I want to do it. I love Twitter and I love what it stands for. I love news. It's really citizen journalism and that's the core of the platform. And that is totally compromised now that Elon's involved. And it really bothered me. I thought it's totally unfortunate. So we've been telling people to come to Fanbase, invest in Fanbase. Go to startengine.com slash Fanbase to invest in Fanbase.

We need to do that. And Roland, I want to do something. I want to do an invest-a-thon. The same way that, and this is something important that I think we should say, the same way that we've been raising money for Kamala Harris, we can raise money for fan base in the same fashion. But these will not be political donations. These will be investments that people will actually own a platform.

Imagine collectively the Black community investing in fan base and owning it and then lifting it to a billion, 10 billion, 100 billion dollar platform that we own, and then we exit. You have to be thinking like that. There's no way that we should let this opportunity pass. We should definitely be in the mindset of investing and having equity and fan base. I'm telling people right now, Rowan, I'm going to get at you. I want to do an investor sign the same way, about an hour, tell people, raise a bunch of money for fan base, but this is actually equity ownership in the platform.

Because we need this because of what Elon is doing and other platforms as well. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. Two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek.

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Let's keep in mind, brothers and sisters, using the power of our vote, we can send this fool home a loser a second time. And see, that's the whole thing right here. See, the reason Donald Trump did this, and I'm going to start with Robert first. The reason Donald Trump needed NABJ to say yes, he's now back in the news. See, for the last almost 10 plus days, he has been a big player in all of this. Even Carter Rove on Fox News said,

hey, he's at the top story. So he needed the bump. See, this is where you got to be smart and understand the game. That's what we say, game, recognize game. And so the Harris campaign, very smart. And I think, and here's the whole deal. What Trump wants, he wants this to dominate the shows tomorrow. Congresswoman Sheila Jackson leaves funeral tomorrow.

Vice President goes dark on Friday picking her VP. But this is where I'm the campaign, Robert. I'm focusing on his attacks on Rachel Scott. And then what I'm doing is I'm going to pull all those clips of when he attacked April Ryan, when he attacked Yamiche Alcindor, when he attacked Abby Phillips, when he attacked Jemele Hill. And what I'm saying is, sisters, this is how that man really felt. And then I'm going to pull how he attacked his former buddy Omarosa. Then I'm going to pull how he attacked Congresswoman Maxine Waters. Then I'm going to pull how his then Chief of Staff John Kelly

attacked Congresswoman Frederica Wilson. I'm going to roll all that stuff out, and I'm going to say that's the contempt that man has for black women and black people. Robert? You see, Roland, this is where I disagree with you on that, because 95-plus percent of Black women will vote for Kamala Harris in the upcoming election. We're going to see turnout numbers for her among Black women that we have never seen before in American history. The question becomes,

how can you get white women to see the humanity of Black women? how can you get white women to see the humanity of black women? How can you get white women to see the attacks on Rachel Scott and April Ryan and Yamiche Alcindor and every other black woman that he attacks as attacks on women? Because if you look at those MAGA rallies, they are still about 50, 54 percent white women who attend those exact same rallies. So the question has to be becoming, if I'm the Biden or the Harris campaign at this point, I'm taking every white female surrogate that I have and I'm sending them to flood every news station tomorrow morning. So no matter what

morning show you turn to, one show you'll have Jen Psaki on, another you'll have Claire McCaskill, another you'll have, you know have Susan Sarandon, whoever the person needs to be pulling the message to explain that these aren't just, this isn't just how he feels about black women. This is how he feels about women in general. And combine that with J.D. Vance saying that any woman who isn't a broodmare is a childless cat lady. Combine that with Project 2025 and the attacks that they have on federal employees, a majority of whom are women, that they're going to be firing in that 50,000. Take that and combine that with the Supreme Court and their attacks on women's reproductive health

and let these white women nationwide know that this is not just Donald Trump attacking black women. This is an attack on all women in particular. And that if you turn out, if you put this back into the White House, we will go back to an era of nasty women and not be able to do your job. And if you look at the attacks and smears that we've seen on social media against Vice President Harris, I posted some on Instagram a couple of days ago and had to take them down because I'm running a open tally on all the attacks that they're making against her. None of them are on policy. None of them are on anything other than her being a black woman and degrading start fleeing the Republican Party because of the way that they're treating Vice President Harris and other black women,

journalists and other black women in politics, that's when you start seeing these electoral numbers really change to start cascading downhill for them. This is why I think Robert is wrong, Monique, because here's the deal. He just said she's going to get 95% of black female votes. The percentage is not the issue. It's turnout. The percentage of the vote, that is not the issue. You have to turn out numbers. And so when you are showing that constant disrespect,

you are then targeting young sisters. You targeting those 30, 40-year-old, those 50-year-old sisters who worked on the job and had white men disrespect them and talk to them in a crazy manner. That's why you do it. Because here's the piece. And I get your point about the white women, Robert, but Biden's coalition was about 41-42% white. The reality is, you need the white women going to talk to the white women. But Obama won because he had higher black and Hispanic numbers, which offset his white numbers. So where the vice president is, and Monique, the reason the polls

are showing what they're showing is because already her black numbers have gone up. She needs to drive her black numbers higher. And when you show that, you say to brothers and sisters, this is how that man feels about black people. That, to me, is what they should be doing. Okay. Well, would you listen to a black woman in the target demographic? I don't want to... Well, I asked you the question. I don't... But I'm saying I agree

with Robert. It's not just that I don't need to see it in order to make me want to turn out or any of the people who I'm speaking with. I don't want to see that. I don't need to see the reminder of the violence. I don't need the flashbacks. I don't need the re-triggering about the abuse. That's why what happened today at the NABJ was so offensive to April, to Yamiche, to Jamel and to so many others. No, we are excited about the positive messaging and the honor being bestowed upon our sister vice president. We are enthusiastic because before this setback today, less level set, as the VP would say,

and try to act like today did not even damn happen, we were all coming together around lifting up the positive attributes and experience and expertise and qualifications and readiness of the vice president. And here this fool comes. I don't need to see my wannabe master doing his wannabe master stuff in order. I need to see more of her. He tried to steal spotlight today.

He was successful. His vice presidential nominee is an idiot and was getting the light. So he came in, showed, remember, I'm idiot in chief. Remember me, remember me. So now everybody is wall to wall. They were covering the VP at her speech yesterday. Today they covering this moron. No, I don't want more of that. What we need is more positive messaging. And I agree to Robert's point. We need spokespeople in our white sister and community who's going to talk to a white sister and in a white sister meetings and say, you know, he's not just doing that to our black sisters. Remember, he did the same thing to Hillary. Remember,

he did the same thing to Nikki. Remember, he thinks the same way about Elizabeth. He don't like women, period. He's a woman hater. But that's on them. For us, we really, we have to climb higher. I'm not saying they go low, we go high. I'm just saying onward. We need to go onward. So I'm going to jump in just to say. I think y'all missed. I think, Joy, I'm going to go to you, but I think Monique missed what I said. She's speaking.

She spoke to Siggy McGammon-Rowe today. She's speaking tomorrow at Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee's funeral. Then she goes dark. So what I'm saying is you can't hear her because she's not going to be out there Friday, Saturday, Sunday. And the reality is

you do have to use effective messaging to be able to. I'm looking at the comments. I'm looking at the sisters who saw it in real time who were offended. You have to use everything in your arsenal to be able to get your core base to turn out in even bigger numbers. And sometimes you're not talking to the highly educated sisters. Sometimes you're talking to the ones who don't have law degrees or master's degrees or

undergraduate degrees, who have high school diplomas or who don't have high school diplomas. The whole point is you have to drive up large numbers among their core group. And when they see this man attacking, I'm not done. Okay. When I see this man attacking brilliant sisters, you are speaking to them in another way. Joy, go ahead. Some people vote for someone. Some people vote against. In this

election, we have both. If you want to vote for Kamala Harris, yeah, got that. If you want to vote against Donald Trump, he is giving you ample reason to do so. We'll take it. Some Black women, Monique and I, we're good. We want the positive message. Others need to be inspired, right? They're kind of down on the election generally. They may be excited about her, but they need to be inspired, right? They're kind of down on the election generally. They may be excited about her, but they need to be motivated. And this has to sustain itself, not just in this period through the conviction, but even afterwards. So we're going to need Donald Trump to keep making a fool of himself, in a sense, to remind us of what the stakes are. This is also an opportunity, like we said, for white women. We need them

telling their stories. Kamala Harris is a Black woman. We need Asian women telling their stories. She is an Asian American woman as well. We need them telling their stories, white women, all women, saying this is what he does generally. He is, in a sense, a believed rapist, right? A judge has said that we believe that he engaged in sexual assault. We need to be talking about that. We have him on tape saying that that's actually OK. We need to be talking about that. We have something for everyone in this election. And we have to run with it and use whatever messages work where.

And I think that also, I mean, you know, Donald Trump is, yes, he wants the attention. And there is, you know, I hate that he's going to be the story tomorrow. But there is no missed opportunity in politics. He's getting attention, but it's also an opportunity for us to showcase who he is and for us to have surrogates out there. Kamala, others, she may be dark this weekend, but other people can be out there talking. We'll all be out there talking, saying this is who he is. This is an example. That's what's so important about this moment.

And I'm going to say one last thing. We need white men, too. We need white men, too. I love that there was a white man for Kamala called the other night. Is this who you are? He thinks he's talking to you. He thinks this is working on you. And it may be working on a good number of you, but it is certainly not working on all of you. And so you've got to ask

yourself, is this, I mean, this is who he's saying we are. So I vote for him. I vote for the Republican candidate. And this is who he wants to signal to people I am. He is not worth it. Let him go. He should lose again. He is a loser. Don't you be a loser. Folks, that is it. Joy, Monique, Robert, I certainly appreciate it. Folks, we are here in Chicago at NABJ. Happening right now, though, is a community celebration of life and legacy of Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee. I am traveling to Houston tomorrow to attend her funeral. I will not be live on the show. We have a guest host because I'm flying back to Chicago for NABJ.

But look for my content on social media that I'll be sharing as well. And so let's do this here. So we're going to close the show out and then we're going to go to Houston for that live feed. And so I want y'all to support us in what we do. First of all, all y'all watching on YouTube right now doing big numbers. I need y'all to all be hitting the like button. OK, all y'all should be hitting the like button. We should be doing ridiculous numbers. And so more than 10,000, almost 11,000 of y'all have been on the stream, thousands on Facebook, on Twitch as well. And so all y'all should be hitting the like button.

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community that cherished her so dearly and she cherished as well. May Sheila Jackson Lee rest in peace, and may her memory be a blessing for all of us. Thank you. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek.

I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. With guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull,

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Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lott. And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back.

In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.

It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves music stars marcus king john osborne for brothers osborne we have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug thing benny the butcher brent smith from shineinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Caramouch. What we're doing now isn't working, and we need to change things. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them.

It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Sometimes as dads, I think we're too hard on ourselves. We get down on ourselves on not being able to, you know, we're the providers,

but we also have to learn to take care of ourselves. A wrap-away, you got to pray for yourself as well as for everybody else, but never forget yourself. Self-love made me a better dad because I realized my worth. Never stop being a dad. That's dedication. Find out more at fatherhood.gov. Brought to you by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Ad Council. Applause.

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Applause. Applause. Applause. Applause. Applause. Applause. Applause. Applause. Applause. Applause. I'm scripture reading. Let not your heart be troubled.

He believe in God, believe also in me. In my father's house are many mansions. If it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I'll come again and receive you unto myself. That where I am, there you may be also. And whether I go, you know, and the way you know. This is the word from our Lord.

Praise be to God Praise the Lord. The Bible says in 1 Thessalonians 5, 18, in everything, give thanks. Prof, Erica, Jen and the family, we must give thanks for the life she has lived. And I want to thank God that the whole Zionist here and the whole Greater Hastings Minister's Fellowship, they are here, and the whole African community in the diaspora, we are here because she affected our life. Please may we bow our head in prayers. Our Father in heaven, we've gathered to say thank you,

to celebrate a life that was well spent. We gather, Lord, our Father, to thank you for your amazing daughter, our Deborah, our Juneteenth warrior. We give the thanks for this wise, wealthy woman,

a mother in Houston, a mother in Texas, a mother of the United States of America and this generation. We thank you for the legacy she has left behind

for us to emulate. We give the thanks for the voice that she was to the voiceless. We give you thanks for this trailblazer, an instrument of hope to the hopeless,

a mother to the motherless, an instrument of hope to the hopeless, a mother to the motherless, an instrument of inspiration to multitude, encouragement to the discouraged, the strength of the weak, the epitome and beacon

of unity, love for all without race or tribe. A lover that will step into our battles and fight as if it is her own. A mother indeed in her class. A champion. An unstoppable winner

in everything. Lord, we give you thanks for who she is. She was a light to darkness. A woman that never takes no for an

answer. We thank you for a woman that never takes no for an answer. We thank you for a woman that picked me up and told me it will be well, even when it seems troubling. It's a hold on to Jesus. We thank you, Father, for giving her to this generation. Lord, we thank you for the husband and the children in which she carried everything. A woman that has no limit. That goes extra length for those who have no voice. Thank you for a life well spent.

We give you praise. We give glory. For only you alone deserve the glory. We are grateful. Thank you, Lord. And thank you again. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Thank you. I trust in God Wherever I may be Upon the path Or on the rolling sea

For on the sea From day to day I am the wonder of my life. Oh, what a dream. She makes my world. And I'll take up this world. She makes my world. And I'll take a disdain If I speak The truth of happiness

And surely Free empathy My heavenly Father Was this All I Need I trust In God me I wonder what you see Oh, San Jose He gave us all I wonder, wonder, wonder, wonder, wonder, wonder, wonder. But when the shepherd's gone

His golden sheep And through the pain He'll lead me home I have a big father Born with a home for me I trust my truth. I know he cares for me. I can be all he alone, all alone, all alone with you. It's me. I am the hero.

Thank you, Lord. I am the hero. I am the hero. I am the hero. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Father. My heavenly Father. My heavenly Father. oh I know He cares Oh yes He cares

Oh Oh Thank you Jesus Oh the starry Sea Oh Don't be lost

Oh Oh I am the one who will be lost, let it all, let it all, I am the King, King of all, my Heavenly Father, my Heavenly Father, what did all of this mean? it all for me. Well, to God be the glory. So many distinguished guests have made their way to

the city of Houston, and on this night at Wheeler Avenue, we are honored by your presence. This family, likewise, is honored by your presence. But undoubtedly, we have before us a listing of varying representatives who comprise a comprehensive listing of the innumerable communities that the Congresswoman impacted. These names will be read, and I will invite them all to come and stand here in this pulpit, and they will thereafter give their presentations as they're listed. In consultation with this family, the request has been made that remarks would be kept to two minutes. You laugh.

For those who need assistance, there is a clock ahead of you. When it turns red, that's a good indication that it's time to wrap up your remarks. We have no shortage of remarks to hear this night. And so we pray that you would honor that request. We know that two minutes is not sufficient to speak to the breadth of the impact that the Congresswoman has made on any of us.

But we thank you for attempting to honor that request. We now hear from the local community leaders. Brother Harry Johnson, chair of the Martin Luther King Memorial. Good former president of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity Incorporated. Likewise, thereafter, hear from Brother Johnny Mata, former Texas State Director of LULAC, Brother Judson Robinson III, President and CEO of Houston Area Urban League,

Sergeant Ali Lee, excuse me, McHenry, who is a representative of the Congressional 18th District Security Team. And thereafter, we will insert Dr. Reginald DeRose, who will give to us remarks. He is the president of Rice University. A lot of times, the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways.

Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Business Week editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams,

and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes.

But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibillion- dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission? This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad.

It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Glod.

And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote

drug thing is. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette.

MMA fighter Liz Caramouch. What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. Stories matter and it brings a face to them. It makes it real.

It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. never had before. I mean, he's not only my parent, like he's like my best friend. At the end of the day, it's all been worth it. I wouldn't change a thing about our lives. Learn about adopting a teen from foster care. Visit AdoptUSKids.org to learn more. Brought to you by AdoptUSKids, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services,

and the Ad Council. Receive them in that order. Good evening to the family of Sheila Jackson Lee. Thank you for allowing me this time to talk about my relationship with your wife, with your mother, with your grandmother. I'm humbled and honored to be speaking here this evening on behalf of the Dr. Martin Luther King Memorial in Washington, D.C. There would be, yes, there would be no memorial in Washington, D.C., but for the members of Alpha Phi Alpha fraternity coming up with the idea. So I'd ask all men of Alpha Phi Alpha present tonight, please stand. Thank you, brothers. I want the family to know while she was a dutifully member and dignified sister of Alpha Kappa Alpha,

she was always supportive of Alpha Phi Alpha. At our centennial convention in Washington, D.C., the Congresswoman took the mic and proudly proclaimed that she clerked for the first black United States senator this century, Alpha Brother Edward R. Brooke, as she worked on his fair housing initiative. She was very supportive of every past and including the current general president of Alpha Phi Alpha. I had the honor when I was a president

to give her the Alpha Award of Honor, the highest honor Alpha Phi Alpha could give a non-member. However, I can tell you this, that the past general presidents talked to me when we would talk and say, where is Brother Sheila Jackson Lee? We know she is somewhere in the house. So we claimed her as a member of Alpha Phi Alpha. What can I say about her support of building the fifth most visited memorial in Washington, D.C.? She was one of the first members of Congress to sign on to the bill to allow us to build the memorial.

She worked across the aisle with Senator Robert Byrd, if you can imagine, and Thad Cochran, if you can imagine, to give us $10 million appropriation. She never, ever missed an event that we hosted in Washington, D.C. Never. In fact, sometimes when she was late, she called my son Nick, and she said, where is your dad? And he said, he's on a on a plane she told him tell him to get a iphone an apple phone because he evidently got one of them google phones and i can't text him i want to text him tell him i'm running late a few years ago congressman maxine waters was all over the social media with, I reclaim my time. Well, if Maxine can reclaim her time,

in my opinion, Sheila Jackson Lee was the time. We all have been recipients of the Congresswoman's time. How many of you have ever received a call from her in the wee hours of the morning? I'm not talking about 7 a.m. I'm talking about 1 or 2 o'clock in the morning. And she would call and make a request of you. How many of you received a call saying, I'm on the way, and you would wait, and you would wait. And time started when she walked in the room she was the time

because she was always doing the work of serving others her time was endless how many of you received a call from her and she asked you to do something and you thought it was a request no no no don't get it twisted it was was not a request. She didn't make requests. She told you what to do. And guess what? You didn't. She showed up at our kids' graduations. She showed up at funerals.

She then got my kids' cell number. My daughter, who flies for United Airlines, would see Sheila. My daughter would say, I saw the congressman. She'd say, how's your dad doing? Let him know I'm looking out for you. And then she became friends with my youngest son, a child, Nick, who worked for the State Department. Some kind of way, she got his cell number. And whenever Sheila needed something at the State Department, Nick, I need a detail to meet me in Germany. He said, congressman, you're supposed to make that request to Riesgaard. Nick, I need a detail to meet me in Germany. He said, Congressman, you're supposed to make that request to Rebs. I said, Nick, I need a detail to meet me in Germany in the next two hours. And Nick did what she said.

As I close, I simply say this. I have seen her in action in Washington, D.C., at a committee hearing. A few years ago, she got to the Committee on Interior, which was chaired by Congressman Joe Neguse, to give her the mic and then push forth the idea for the Freedom Trail from Galveston to Freedman's Town. The committee voted unanimously to put forth the legislation. We all know that State Representative Al Edwin went to his push for Juneteenth. We all know about Opal Lee, but it was Sheila Jackson lee who got senator cornyn to sign on the

make a june 10th a national holiday sheila jackson lee was the time there is no question she was the time i have text after text i just read one earlier where she said, I was with your son at the State Department, and I told Secretary Blinken, Nick Johnson is a great man. I hope that he becomes Secretary of State. Elwin, I have no power. Erica, Jason, I have no power. But if I did, Sylvester Turner, I would recommend that the Gulf Freeway from Galveston to downtown Houston be renamed the honorable Sheila Jackson Lee Memorial Parkway.

She deserves that honor. I claim the time in the name of Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee. God bless you. Thank you. I stand before you today saddened like all of us because we have lost a golden voice for justice. That is the Honorable Sheila Jackson Lee. While some politicians are down on immigrants, she was there depending on them. While people,

while people try to create barriers to keep immigrants out, Sheila made sure, she made sure that the laws that were passed would protect all of us, not just the rich, the affluent, or the ones that are anti-minorities. She was a champion for civil rights. But let me tell you, I will remember on my birthday, I had a celebration and she gave me

these couplings. So I wore them here today, not only on her honor, but the honor that I was asked to speak at this ceremony. I would like to think about the past, but I look at what she would be telling us for the future. You know, we are in some real tough situations in the world and locally in this nation. I don't have to tell you the problems. You know it better than I do. But if she was to tell us,

if you want to remember me, continue voter registration. Thank you. Voter participation. And get others to do the same. Thank you. She would also tell us that whether it's the business community, the corporate world, or politicians that are trying to turn the clock back to the old days, that our purchasing power, we have more purchasing power today and to use it for those who are going to take care of us.

So I think I've had the honor of working with her and remember when I was working, I've had the honor of working with her. And remember when I was working at the Community Action Program after the 1964 Civil Rights Act and I had returned from the military. And she called me and said, Johnny, she was in City Hall, there's some ladies that I have, mothers with children, and they cannot work because they have no child care. And she said, could you see if there's some ways

that we can help them so they can help themselves. That is the kind of person she was. Always thinking of the others, and even prior to her departure, she was still involved after the storm. Keep praying your prayers, but more so, let's all get involved because it's not going to get no better. And the less we do,

the more hardships are going to fall on us. Brevemente, nomás quiero decirles que hemos perdido una persona are going to fall on us. una persona que consideraba que todos somos iguales por favor recordar que si estás cualificado para votar y registrarte

el poder está en el voto y la voz gracias Thank you. Elwin, Erica, Jason, you know, we really appreciate you lending this warrior to the rest of us. We have been talking a lot at the Urban League about legacy lately. It was just seven, eight months ago, Mayor Turner, you and Sheila were on the stage and she was saluting the work that you had done

for the time that you had been there. I think we all need to give Sylvester a round of applause. A lot of times, big economic forces show up in our lives in small ways. Four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. Small but important ways. From tech billionaires to the bond market to, yeah, banana pudding. If it's happening in business, our new podcast is on it. I'm Max Chastain.

And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops. They get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad.

Listen to Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lott. And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year, a lot of the biggest names in music and sports.

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