#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Tulsa 100 years later; Jan. 6th Commission vote; Clyburn talks police reform; Ronald Greene rally

Episode Date: May 28, 2021

5.27.21 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Tulsa 100 years later; Jan. 6th Commission vote; Rep. James Clyburn talks police reform; Former FL State Attorney Aramis Ayala talks about her congressional run to replace Val Demings; White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre became the first Black woman in 30 years to host a daily White House press briefing; Ronald Greene march and rally; Crazy a$$ Central Park Karen, Amy Cooper sues her former employer; Mississippi troopers pose with a Black bank robber; The Ghost Brothers dish on their new Discovery+ series Support #RolandMartinUnfiltered via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛ https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered#RolandMartinUnfiltered is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We will be, of course, live streaming this, talking about the impact, but also not just the past, but the present and the future. We'll be talking with a councilwoman here in Tulsa, also a brother who is the editor-in-chief of the Black Wall Street Times. We're broadcasting live from their offices also today. You'll hear from Dr. Tiffany Crutcher as well as the artist where they unveiled a mural today across from the Greenwood Cultural Center.

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Folks, it's a jam-packed show. It is time to bring the funk. I'm Roland Barthelon Filcher from Tulsa. Let's go. He's got it. Whatever the piss, he's on it. Whatever it is, he's got the scoop, the fact, the fine. Let's go. He's rollin' Yeah, yeah It's Uncle Roro, y'all Yeah, yeah It's Rollin' Martin, yeah

Yeah, yeah Rollin' with Rollin' now Yeah, yeah He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best You know he's Rollin' Martin Yeah He's rolling Martel now. Martel. 100 years ago on May 31st, this, the Greenwood area in Tulsa was decimated, destroyed,

as white folks in this country lost their mind, killing upwards of 300 African Americans. It was so stunning and devastating. We really don't even know the total number of African Americans who were killed when they were attacked, 10,000 people ended up being refugees, moving all across the country, escaping the vicious racism and hatred that took place in Greenwood. Many people know about Black Wall Street. That's where it was located. It was eventually rebuilt, but the scars remain. It is still difficult to fathom what took place on that day 100 years ago. Over the next several days, there will be events taking place here in Tulsa commemorating that event, many of them emotional. Folks, of course, you're going to have art renderings and all kinds of different concerts and things along those lines. But we have to remember, black folks lost their lives.

This is a solemn occasion in many ways, similar to how America looks at 9-11. In fact, folks, there's been so much talk, not only to talk about back then, about the races being separated, but you still have separation happening in Tulsa. Folks reached out to me saying you have the, quote, white Tulsa Centennial Commission and the black Tulsa Centennial Commission. This city and this state has yet yet to create a victim's compensation fund for the survivors. And there still are survivors as well as descendants of the folks who were impacted here in Tulsa. We're here at the offices of the Black Wall Street Times where they launched today. They have a magazine and digital presence as well focused on telling the story, not only the historical story, what's actually happening today.

One of the folks who's on the front lines of this is my first guest. She's a councilwoman here in Tulsa, Vanessa Hall Harper. She joins us right now. I'm glad to have you on Roland Martin Unfiltered. Thank you so much for bringing Unfiltered to Tulsa. I'm a huge fan. Well, I certainly appreciate it. You're my brother too. All right then. Well, we had to be here. We had to be here to tell this story. First of all, how long have you been on the council? I won my first election in 2016, so I'm serving my third term. I was talking earlier to Dr. Tiffany Crutcher and she was talking about the battle

that you've been involved in when it came to a victim's compensation fund and getting this city in this state, not just to sit here and mark this event and not do what I actually called, and some people, again, don't get offended by this, folks. Here you had black pain by cause 100 years ago. But now you have what I call black porn where folks want to benefit financially but don't want to still provide compensation to the living, to the three survivors and the descendants who were impacted by this massacre. That's absolutely. I love that term. I call it empty symbolism. We're good at that in Tulsa.

We're good at looking like we're doing something, trying to look like we're not racist. But in the meantime and in between time, we're not doing anything that's going to really repair, that's going to restore, that's going to atone. And that's what we're good at in Tulsa. And in this state, we're good at doing those things. But when we're talking about putting initiatives in place that's going to actually change the status quo, that's going to improve quality of life, that's going to change the trajectory of

a community, because the community is still suffering too. Certainly the victims and their descendants, but the community as a whole continues to suffer as a result of the massacre. And so very little. But what we have to do first is apologize officially and then work on atonement. And that's not really what we're good at. We're good at telling you what you're going to get. We're going to give you this. We're going to give you this history center. We're going to give you that, and you need to accept it as reparations.

No. And see, it was, so I remember years ago when Professor Charles Ogletree and other lawyers, I think Johnny Cochran was involved with it, Gary, they came to Congressional Black Caucus Foundation with a number of the survivors. It is down to three.

It's unfortunate Charles can't be here. He's suffering from Alzheimer's. And I remember again, folks were talking about fighting for reparations, so the state set up a commission you said

apologize so Oklahoma and Tulsa has never officially offered an apology, so what do they actually do from those recommendations not very much they had started the mass graves investigations 20 years ago but the mayor at that time stopped it and so we've had and then explain to people what the mass graves investigation okay

so there are we know that there are mass graves throughout this community we know of some through historical recollections specifically where they are but we know that there are mass graves throughout this community. We know of some through historical recollections specifically where they are, but we know that there's rumors of other locations. And so 20 years ago, that investigation started to uncover where these mass graves were. But at the time, the mayor stopped it. It was too divisive for whatever reason. Who knows what the reasons were? And so that was something that was started, but it abruptly ended. We've had the mayor some years ago say, I apologize,

but there was no atonement, right? There was nothing following up. So it's empty. So it was a statement. It was a statement. We've even had the chief of police, our former chief of police said he apologized, but nothing to follow. Certainly not any policies that we know still impact the black community detrimentally in our city. And so it's all empty promises. It's all empty symbolism. I see the Greenwood History Center as a symbolism. And I'm, for one, I'm just sick of the symbolism. I'm not going to go to any more tree dedications. I'm not going to any more bench dedications, park dedications, I'm sick of all of that.

Because none of that improves the quality of life for my community, none of that atones. None of it, it's empty symbolism. And so that's again, that's what we're good at as a city, and I for one will not participate in it. When we talk about, and I was sharing this earlier, with a couple of folks out at the mural unveiling. Yes.

9-11 took place. This country created a victim's compensation fund. I like that. All right. You've got white folks in America who are scared to death of the title reparations. Okay. Fine. We literally created a victim compensations fund. is they're scared to death of the title reparations. Okay, fine. We literally created a victim compensations fund.

What took place on 9-11 wasn't done by the taxpayers. That was done largely by Saudi terrorists. Saudi Arabia didn't pay for that. The American government did. And so my question again is, why is it so hard for Tulsa to say we're going to do this? Are all these events they're having, are they selling tickets? Yes. Okay. So the question for me is, is a portion of those ticket sales going to a victim compensation fund? Anything. So basically, and again, for people at home, so the black folks are having stuff tomorrow through Monday. And then the white folks, the official commission, their stuff begins

Monday and it goes through the whole week. No, they've been having events for the last month. So is there anything in that official commission that has created an economic pathway for descendants as well as survivors not to my knowledge and that's been my question where the museum or history center is being built who owns that land who's going to benefit that's tourism there's dollars attached to that's my whole point that's what I know because when I think of tourism my his mind again I I'm just thinking out loud if I'm thinking about a victims compensation fund that means that all right if you're coming if you're coming to Tulsa for these tourist events that means that hotels are benefiting that means if you get a victim victims compensation fund a portion of the hotel

dollars should be flowing into that fund if you're going to be having these annual events and restaurants are benefiting, those receipts, dollars should be flowing into these funds. There is a way to create a victim's compensation fund where they are benefiting from these tourist dollars, but this tourism is literally

coming to experience black pain. Profiting off of it. Profiting off of it. coming to experience black pain. Exactly. Which I call also black porn. Profiting off of it. Profiting off of it. So the city of Tulsa and restaurants and hotels are profiting off of black pain

and not going back to black people. Exactly. Exactly. That's it. You've summed it up. At the end of the day, black lives do not matter. You know, they want to say, well, they don't like that. Well, that's a political statement, blah, blah, blah. At the end of the day, black lives do not matter. You know, they want to say, well, they don't like that. Well, that's a political statement, blah, blah, blah. At the

end of the day, we decide every day with the decisions that we make, and we prove that black lives do not matter. And this is just one telltale example of that. They do not care when it comes to it. It's about money. It's about power. It's about land, right? Because reparations for me are two things, greenbacks, cash, and land. God isn't making any more of it. And that's what we have lost. And in addition to that is our ability for generational wealth so that we can say I'm passing something on to my great grandchild and et cetera. And so they know that because they've done it in white society, right? That's how this country has been built. But when it comes to the black community, it does not matter. Black lives do not matter. And all we are seen as as a commodity, right? We are consumers.

We're not owners, we're consumers. And that's the state that they want to keep us in. And so the policies that they're going to pass, the programs, the initiatives that they're going to pursue, are going to keep us in that mindset. Or in that situation that we're just consuming, but we're not owning for ourselves. So final question for you. So the people who are watching, the people who are listening, what do you want them to do? If they're coming here, people are coming here this week, what should they be saying? If people are going to be visiting Tulsa over the next year? They want to visit the Greenwood area. What should they be saying and doing when they come? Well, I think they should certainly support as many black businesses as

they can. Maybe intentional when you come. Be very intentional when you come here to do that. But more than anything, we need your voice, not only when you're here, but when you go back home to continue to be that voice in your communities and to push Tulsa, Oklahoma, to do the right thing. Get involved with credible black organizations and institutions, the Black Wall Street Chamber of Commerce. Join the Black Wall Street Chamber of Commerce and provide your resources there. because our goal through these institutions is to recreate the history, the spirit of Black Wall Street because we have the blueprint, right? We know what can possibly happen when we are left alone so that we can build our own communities

and given every opportunity. But we know what systemic and institutionalized racism does and its plan that is to keep us out of the game to keep us away from those opportunities and to keep us in a in a maintaining of status quo type situation so support black organizations and institutions in this community do we have one more question okay so you mentioned so there's the greenwood cultural center yes then they're having this museum they're dedicated history center What the hell is the purpose of a second museum? Exactly. I mean, why not come and say, hey, there's already one here.

How about if we partner and expand this? I'm so glad you brought that up because that was the initial plan. The power structure, the philanthropic organizations, the corporations in this community, they said initially that we're going to expand the Greenwood Cultural Center. But if we give you this money, we want you to change your organizational structure. We want to come in. We want so many seats on your board. They tried to change and again and just take away that existing power structure. That board said, no, we're not going to do that.

So they took their ball and went down the street. A lot of people don't know that. A lot of people don't know that a lot of people don't know that and there were many attempts at trying to look if you're going to really do right by this community right improve upon and by the way greenwood cultural center state funds stopped 15 years ago and the building has just basically been deteriorating so our system the city as well as the state, did not fund this building. But now because we're approaching the 100-year centennial, now there's this rush, right, to put some lipstick on the barn, you know, to put some lipstick on the pig type thing.

And that's what we see taking place here. That's why I'm very concerned and will not attend these events that I know are just facades. They're not really concerned or focused on really doing right, atoning, repairing, reparations. That's not the goal. The goal is let's get past this 100-year centennial and maintain the status quo that we've established here. Tourism, okay, because we've hidden the story for decades, right? But now that it's out there, how can we make that money?

Just like what you said. It's porn. It's pimping. And that's the thing that I think that we have to understand, which means that if you come here, be very deliberate, say something, do something. Ask. You don't have to. You'll find somebody that's going to give you the real deal.

So, no, that's not what you want to go to. That's not where you want to support. You want to support over here because this support over here is about improving our quality of life improving our community and that is not all right councilwoman vanessa hill we appreciate it thanks a lot thank you thank you so much thank you so very much uh as i said folks uh we uh have been here we we you know gonna continue to be here uh uh talking about what's going on here. A little bit earlier today, there was an unveiling of a mural across from the Greenwood Cultural Center. Powerful, powerful mural.

We had an opportunity to live stream that event. If you want to see the full stream, simply go to our YouTube channel. But I had an opportunity to talk with the artist as well as Dr. Tiffany Crutcher. Many of you know we had her on the show. Her brother Terrence Crutcher was shot and killed, her twin brother. So I had an opportunity to talk with her as well as Christy about that mural and how important it is to this community. Here's that conversation. What's the unveiling of this mural this mural um is truth i've always i've been just just really um arguing the fact that i'm so sick of murals that's what this city has been

giving us for reparations they gave us some park benches to sit and reflect about what happened. Even a tree. They dedicated a tree. But something like this that comes from us, that tells the truth, you know, the murals this city wanted to give us is Jackie Robinson. You know, it had no ties to this city and this massacre. And my great aunt Janie was in the Dreamland Theater when the massacre happened. And she escaped. And just to see those ladies running out of there, it just hit me. It just hit me.

And all the years of us hitting this sidewalk and people saying, what are y'all doing out here protesting? That's stupid and doing this. And now people are finally hearing. And as Dr. Crutcher, my good friend here, always tells me, it's not what you say but what you keep saying. And today, I just felt heard. I felt heard. It's not reparations, but it's our voice when you come in this district. It's our voice when you see it.

And it's raw. People need to see what happened, especially since Kevin Stitt signed this House Bill 1775, where we can't teach about the history and what happened to us because it makes white people uncomfortable. And people keep saying, well, Christy, racism is everywhere. Massacres happened everywhere. But we're unique because un this state became a state and only people who could

black and natives. So we We owned a third of easter is huge. We had land, we need to know that our peo That was one of the thing explain to people because black Wall Street burned down then was rebuilt I said yeah but what would it be like if those

resources had not had to be spent to rebuild or African Americans beat but we talked about the accumulation of wealth and the rally I think what you're seeing is with that particular view I think all these taxing critical race theory and I have a book coming out next year called White Fear. What we're dealing with is really why there are some white Americans who are absolutely afraid of others knowing the real history of America and what happened. Absolutely. And as you talk about, you know, yes, Greenwood was rebuilt by 1925 better than what it was before. But, you know, by 1920, Oklahoma had over 50 black townships from Freedman, Freedman, landing on that land, these townships.

That's what helped rebuild Greenwood. It was those 50 other black townships. We had a network of black communities across the state. And so that's what rebuilt it. So not only are we fighting the state, white supremacist system, we are also fighting the tribes who kicked us out of the tribes, who kicked their black people out of the tribes. You know, and we want what belongs to us. So we have a two-edged sword here we're fighting, a double-edged sword. Dr. Grutcher, you made a remark at the opening when you said there are people who are going to be coming here who are tourists. And when I looked at the schedule, I see this here, but also the city. There's this arch district that's going to be unveiling all these different things. But what do you want African Americans who come here to say and do,

and those folks across the country who are watching this who are not going to be here, what they should be saying about what should be happening with the descendants, with the people who live here, what was taken from our people well absolutely i mean people are going to be coming from all over but in particularly black people to pay homage um but again as some of the individuals said today we didn't learn about it as black people as a descendant i didn't learn about it and so i hope that they will come and truly learn what took place on this sacred soil. We consider all of this a crime scene still because there's been no atonement.

There's been no repair, no reparations, no justice. And so I want them to understand that and feel that and take their shoes off and put their feet on this bloodstained soil and realize that ancestors are speaking out from this soil asking why. Asking why. And so this isn't just a festival. I want for people to understand it's not about the music. It's not about John P. Key, PJ Morton, John Legend, anybody. This is about justice. We have three last known living survivors who are here who clawed their way through

some of the worst times. Jim Crow, the civil rights movement in our nation's history and they're here and that's what it's supposed to be about that's who it should be about and their descendants and so I need for people to be screaming reparations now. Reparations now, nothing else and so that's what I want for people to get that's the message and you can't have reconciliation. It's become a big business without the truth. And so we'll be spreading truth this weekend. That's right. When I was when we were driving in what I because, again, it's very interesting in this country how certain words mean different things and it's scare folks.

So you've got people out there who are who are white who I'm gonna have to pay reparations. I said okay 9-11 there was a victim compensation fund that the federal government established. Now there were people who were impacted by it. That wasn't some will some will other folks will, but it wasn't caused by the federal government. But the federal government created a victim compensation fund that was established. Okay. So people are afraid of reparations. Okay. Create a victim compensation program. That's right. In Tulsa and Oklahoma.

And they're going to, of course, you know, they're going to have all the different events. But do you also say that those resources that are being spent, that's where the creation of the victim compensation funds should start? It definitely should. It definitely should. You know, right now, our only black city councilor, Vanessa Hall Harper, she's not here right now because she's fighting with the city legal department on that very thing right now. And so we are fighting for that. It needs to happen. And I keep going back to this Creek Nation because they just got a million dollars in CARES Act funds.

And just imagine how much that could help black people, freedmen. You know, and they constantly, this city and this state has constantly fund all kinds of stuff. You know, just like the Greenwood Rising Museum, $30 million they raised for that. Not one dime of that is going to any of the victims, the survivors. That's who it should go to. They haven't done any of that. It's all just lipstick on a pig. And just so folks, again, who are not here. So Tiffany, explain to folks what the Greenwood Cultural Center is and then what museum she just spoke of, because there's a difference.

Well, the Greenwood Cultural Center was founded, and I hate to say this, by the late former state senator Maxine Horner and Don Ross, Representative Don Ross. They were legends in this community. She recently passed away this past, I think, February, and she went to her grave fighting for this community. She established the first 1921 Tulsa Race Riot Commission that established four demands, four points, reparations for this community to explore what happened, to build a memorial and to give scholarships for descendants of survivors. And not one of those demands have been met and so she founded this this this cultural center which is a staple in our

community this is where we do all of our events we have have history and art dedicated to what happened the truth and so this is the building if you want to make a donation you need to make a donation to the Greenwood Cultural Center in Maxine Horner's honor. And so we're north of this highway, the IDL. That's what destroyed Greenwood yet again, destroyed it, devastated it. And so north of the IDL is where all of the predominantly black Tulsans live. South of the IDL, you see high rises, you see condos, you see rooftops.

So explain to the folks, because we've been, we covered this story as well, and some people are just confused by this, not understanding how highways were created to split black communities. So when you say that destroyed it, explain that to those who are watching. A part of the model cities and a part

of what the LBJ administration put these highways through a lot of major inner cities throughout this country. And you know, you've noticed there's no exits. There's no exits here. And so that really cut right into the heart. The Red Wing Hotel was right there. J.B. Straffer Hotel, the Dreamland Theater. Just swing around the camera around. Keep talking. J.B. Stratford Hotel, the Dreamland Theater. Just swing around. Keep talking. Just swing around and show the highway. So that highway has really

put a, you know, I always say Greenwood is the heartbeat to all those other black communities and that's a major artery right there. And it has really stopped a lot of people from coming here um right now the businesses on greenwood they don't they don't even have any parking again um christy said something earlier that we rebuild bigger and better but i always

have to just push back a little bit some people people rebuilt, some, because 10,000 people were displaced and scattered all over the United States. They had to flee, not as immigrants, but as refugees to white racial terror, terror violence, anti-black racism, white supremacy. And we're calling this weekend homecoming. You know, Greenwood, Black Wall Street is everywhere. It's a spirit. It's a mindset. And so we're hoping that we can be the model. We have one opportunity, and this is the weekend that we got to scream to the top of our lungs. We want justice. We want reparations. And if we can get it here, we can get H.R. 40 in Congress. Joining us right now is Congressman Jim Clyburn of South Carolina. He joins us. Congressman, how are you doing?

Roland, thank you so much for having me. I am here in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for the 100th centennial to commemorate the Tulsa race massacre. And part of the problem a lot of people have, Congressman, is that America has not properly created a victim's compensation fund for the survivors and their descendants. The state of Oklahoma hasn't done anything. The city of Tulsa hasn't done anything. Folks say that they are tired of just trees and benches and murals and parks and events along those lines, that America needs to properly atone for its past, especially when you have survivors who still are with us. Your thoughts on that?

Well, once again, thank you very much for having me. But, you know, I don't disagree with any of that. I think that's with any of that. I think that's what H.R. 40 is all about. John Conyers filed that bill every year. I've been in Congress now for almost 30 years. And John Conyers, I think, filed that bill every year that I've been there.

And when he was no longer in Congress, we had Sheila Jackson Lee took up that legislation, and she has filed H.R. 40. Now, H.R. 40 is simply to establish a committee or commission to study this whole issue and make recommendations. And that's what we ought to be about. And I think you are very wise in using the term you just used, because people have allowed the word reparations to take on an ominous meaning. Reparations, the root word for reparations is repair. That's what the root word is. So how do you atone?

How do you repair? I think you've heard me say this. I have studied Alexis de Tocqueville. De Tocqueville wrote a two-volume work called Democracy in America. And I think he can sum up that work with one sentence from those two volumes. And it's this. America is not great

because it is more enlightened than any other nation, but rather because it has always been able to repair its faults. Repair its faults. Tulsa was a fault. And Hamburg, here in South Carolina, was a fault. You know, I'm at the little South Carolina state, and everybody talks about these HBCUs, but I had no problem. I'm shocked by it. People say they never heard of Tulsa. I knew about Tulsa as a college student, and you know how old I am, so you know how long ago that was.

I knew about Tulsa. I knew about Hamburg in South Carolina. What was the name down there in Florida? I knew about all these things. And I studied them. In fact,

the book that really got me kick-started on this history stuff was from Slavery to Freedom. John Hope Franklin, it on this history stuff was from slavery to freedom john hope franklin a native of tulsa oklahoma uh when i wrote my book blessed experiences who did i ask to write the foreword and she did it for me alfred woodard a native of Tulsa, Oklahoma. So all I'm saying is I'm in touch with all of this.

And I get a little bit disturbed when people come and talk to me as if I'm a newcomer to this or I don't know what I'm talking about. I've known this stuff and I've studied it and I work hard as I possibly can to do what we can to overcome it. So I'm a co-sponsor of H.R. Floyd. But that is a study and we ought to look. Yeah. So, Congressman, I got to ask you, do you believe the votes are there? Will 218 Democrats, I don't think any Republicans are even going to think about it,

but are the votes there for the Democrats to approve it? At this particular time, I don't think so. You know, I'm the vote counter and I don't believe in misrepresenting things. I know people get around to me. Well, you know, I think so or not. No, I don't think the votes are there yet. And I think it's because we have got to do a better job of educating people as to what we're talking about. Every time I hear the term reparations, people start talking about financial remuneration. Indulge me for a moment. My late wife, who you knew very well, we stayed married for 58 years.

On her mother's side, her great-grandfather was a white guy down in Charleston, South Carolina. Her mother was a mulatto, and she was able to get educated and others in the family at every institute that was established for mulattoes. On her daddy's side, none of that. So how do you determine this kind of stuff? That's why we got to have this study. And that's why people of goodwill need to come together and say, what can we do to atone? And I like that word.

That's a biblical word. To atone for these past sins and join us to vote for H.R. 40 so they can set up this study and get people of goodwill to sit down around a table or tables and come up with a proper way for us to atone for Tulsa and a lot of other things. Hamburg, too. I don't want to leave South Carolina out. Well, that is critically important. So obviously, as someone, as you said,

you're the one responsible for counting those votes, so you certainly would know. And you're absolutely right. But look, here's the deal, Congressman. We also know this here. It's a whole bunch of words that white people get scared of because they don't actually want to deal with the issue. The folks didn't get a problem with Black Lives Matter. The folks got a problem with reparations. Now you got conservatives running around hollering, mad, upset, passing laws to get rid of critical race theory

when that's not even taught in elementary and junior high and high schools. At the end of the day, I think what we are dealing with, Congressman, is white fear in this country. We're dealing with people who do not. That's why they hate the 1619 Project. That's why they can't stand Afro-American studies. That's why they can't stand any of this, because I just fundamentally believe, Congressman, and what they're really upset about the most is that you and I and Greg Carr and Recy and Amisha, my panelists, we all get to have an opinion.

And they mad that we now can talk and we're not going to get lynched for talking back to them. That's just what I think is where we are. And so I think this is the struggle we're dealing with. And black folks can be must be prepared for it because they're going to fight any effort to truly educate Americans about real history as opposed to history. You are exactly right. I agree with that totally. You know, I've studied history all my life. I started out studying this stuff when I was eight years old and I still, I used to teach it and I still study it daily and you are exactly right and I think that we get more people to understand and I think this fair is made up I don't think there's any actual fair I think they're using this as a cover everybody knows

that Donald Trump is lying but they use that big lie as a cover. If you go back and look at the Tulsa massacre, that was a lie. That gentleman that I just wrote about on that elevator accused falsely of assaulting a white woman on elevator operator, they found out that it was not true. But they acted on a lie, killed 300 people, destroyed a whole business district,

all on a lie. That's the same thing that happened on January 6th, an insurrection at the Capitol on a lie. So we've got to begin to... But Congressman, but Congressman, but remember, but Congressman, but January 6th was a repudiation of black votes. Donald Trump specifically mentioned Detroit, specifically mentioned Atlanta,

specifically mentioned Philadelphia, specifically mentioned Milwaukee. They were repudiating and they were angry about black votes. He did not mention places where there were mostly white voters. I think we can't leave that out. That was driving January 6th. Absolutely. I'm not leaving that out.

That's what I'm talking about. Yes, sir. You know what Fulton County, Georgia is all about. You know what Detroit, the vote in Detroit in Georgia is all about. Those are black votes. And they lied on black people saying they were cheating.

They weren't cheating. They were just showing up. And they didn't expect for them to show up. So they made up a big lie. And so that lie is a cover for them to do the kind of things they're trying to do. That's all I'm saying. You make my point. Yes, sir. Yeah. And well, that's and also Carolyn Bryant, who lied about Emmett Till, is still living and has never been brought to justice for contributing to his death as well. Lastly, I got to ask you this here before, before, go ahead.

I said, and she admitted, she admitted that she lied and everybody act like they never heard her admission. Absolutely. I got to ask you this here. The negotiations are continuing in the Senate. I talked to attorney Ben Crump and the George Floyd family the other day. They made perfectly clear they want a strong bill signed by President Biden. And they also say there has to be accountability in that bill when it comes to police and immunity. And so a lot of people have criticized you for your comments with regards to that. Do you believe at the end of the day that qualified immunity or a portion of it or something related to it is going to be in the final version of that

could very well be passed in the United States Senate? Yes, I think it will be, and I said that it should be. And, you know, other people ought to listen. I said right at the top of my comments, I believe in the old Lyndon Johnson theory that a half loaf is better than no loaf at all. Now, a full loaf is for us to get rid of qualified immunity. No loaf at all is to keep it as it is. So what is the half law? The half law is to me is defining qualified community as what the word really says. Look

in the black law dictionary which I've done. Qualified in the black law dictionary says limited limited but we are treating qualified immunity as absolute and it's not absolute I've heard from a bunch of people in the last several days thanking me so much for bringing out the differences in those two words so if people would just listen to what I said, except jumping up, just getting up. For some reason, we just like to think the worst about each other. You know, I'm 80 years old. I've been fighting this stuff. I met my wife in jail fighting for this stuff. So I ain't ever going to be against the best interests of people of color. So yeah, qualified immunity doesn't mean absolute. It means limited. And that's what I said. That's what I meant. And I wish people would just listen

and stop jumping on Twitter or whatever they jump on and misrepresent what I said. All right, Congressman Jim Clyburn, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much for joining us as we broadcast a lot from Tulsa. Appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Well, I hope you're there when I get there Sunday. I'll be there at the AME church. What's that, Vernon AME church, Sunday morning? Yeah, Vernon AME. We will be there and we'll be broadcasting as well. We're here until Wednesday, so I'll see you on Sunday. Okay, buddy. All right, thank you so very much.

I want to bring up my panel right now. Dr. Greg Carr, Chair, Department of Afro-American Studies at Howard University, Risi Colbert, Black Women's Views, and Amisha Cross, Democratic Strategist. Glad to have all three of you here. I want to start with the historian. It is very clear, Greg, that there still is a wide divide here in Tulsa. When you look at what people are saying here, it was very interesting me talking to people before even coming here. They were real clear. They were like, hey, don't go to the white folk stuff. Go to the black folk stuff, Roland.

Don't do anything with them. And so, you know, and there have been folks who have been trying to get Stacey Abrams to pull out because she's going to be scheduled to speak. Hill Harper is holding an event. John Lennon is performing. And so even with this, the racial divide is still clear, is present,

and is unmovable. It is. And with all due respect to our elder Congressman Klopper, and I first think of him as a student and a teacher of history, there's no evidence, and I know he knows that as well as most, there's no evidence that

anything in Tulsa is anything other than business as usual. I think about the words of Mother Fletcher, Mother Viola Fletcher, last week when she said, I'm 107 years old. I've never seen justice. I think about the horrors inflicted on black people in this country every day. And as we heard, and brother, thank you, first of all, for being there and in doing there. When you talk to Councilor Hall Harper and when you talk to Sister Chrissy and Dr. Crutcher, they really framed what is going on in Tulsa. Tulsa is a microcosm of everything that has happened to us in this country. State violence, mob rule, land theft. The reason there are black people in Oklahoma is because many of

them got marched out there during the Trail of Tears. When you heard Chrissy talk about the Creek Nation, those Native Americans had Africans enslaved, and in a treaty the government had in 1866 with them, did not extend them the land rights. The reason that black people are in Tulsa, in part, and they had success up to the 1920s at Black Wall Street, was because they had land that they owned, and then many of them had come from all black towns like Wintersville, Oklahoma, which is where John O. Franklin's father is from. I say all that as backdrop to say this.

Yes, Chrissy was right. Black Wall Street built back bigger. By the 1940s, they had more than 250 businesses. And as Dr. Crutcher said, one of the people that wasn't able to stay there was Mother Fletcher, who had to move out to California, and who never finished the fourth grade, who just finished the fourth grade. But what happened after 1940? The war on Black Wall Street is the war that we saw everywhere.

Representative Clyburn just said it. What destroyed Black Wall Street finally? saw the drain on the businesses, economic decline, and then so-called urban renewal in the 1970s, leading to the construction of U.S. Highway 75, redlining, no loans for Black people to buy houses and businesses. And so finally, Roland, when you say the divide is in Tulsa, yes, it's called Highway 75, and it is symbolic of the divide in this country. So John Legend, Stacey Abrams, all the rest of y'all, y'all need to stay your ass off of the stage with those open enemies of black people. Racy, what really jumps out here is so many people just in this city,

in this state, in this country, have no understanding of real history. And that's why when you see these attacks on the teaching of real history, when you see the attacks from Republicans and from all these MAGA people, it's because they do not want the real story told. And what's killing them is we, guess what, we get to own our own damn cameras. We can go travel where we want to travel we can tell the story and that's what they can't handle yeah and what's so ironic is that in recent

history it has we've learned more i shouldn't say like the society as a whole has learned more and has done acknowledge uh the tosa massacre and fix the show. Like, for instance, Watchmen, the backdrop of Watchmen with Regina King was the Tulsa massacre. And in that fictional version, there were reparations and things of that nature, as well as love carcasses. But it's, going back to your point that you made earlier

about Black trauma porn, and I don't think that it was done in a distasteful way in those shows, it's being talked about for entertainment, and not so much as what we're going to actually do about it. And so people do feel threatened by the truth, but when it can be presented in entertainment fashion, then people are a little bit more open to it. But one thing I didn't hear mentioned in any of the discussion was the Tulsa Greenwood Massacre Accountability Claims Act that Representative Hank Johnson

just introduced in Congress on May 21st. It was also introduced previously by John Conyers, or Congressman John Conyers. I know Congressman Clyburn brought up the HR40 Commission, but this Tulsa Greenwood Massacre Act actually goes directly to the heart of reparations for coastal specificity.

And so that's something that doesn't have a great deal of co-sponsors. I think it's only 18 co-sponsors in the House. There's no introduction in the Senate. So now would be a great time to galvanize behind that. Everybody was sharing the very heart-wrenching and just

testimony of the survivors. But what are y'all going to do about it? There's no reason why there shouldn't be an introduction in the Senate. Senator Elizabeth Warren, who's from Oklahoma, introduced the resolution. The Oklahoma Senator James Lankford introduced the resolution. Where is the reparations bill in the Senate?

Why aren't all the CBC members in both chambers sponsoring this and really galvanizing behind this? And why isn't black social media, who is so up in arms about where is our black bill, why are they not getting behind it? And so it's not going to solve everything with one snap of a finger, but at a minimum, when you do have that are being told, there should be more galvanization behind it. It should be as on message about the post

and the package like that, as people are on message being mad about the COVID-19. Amisha, the folks here are making it clear the demands are going to continue, and I dare say they should, and it should be a constant fight to say, no, you create that victim's compensation fund fund and don't you dare try to make money off of the Tulsa race massacre? Absolutely. And I'm thankful that you're there and for the interviews that you've conducted. I think that there's so many people who still don't fully understand or know the historical relevance of Tulsa and just how deeply wrought a lot of the violence

happened to be, and to the point that we still don't have an accountability or an account for just exactly how many African Americans actually died that day. I think that this is such a tragic instance of just white supremacy and brutality, and that we still have not seen any type of resolution, any type of move forward, any type of full recognition on the part of not only the state, but also the national government, in regards to the families and those that were lost during that terrible time. And I think that to continue to highlight, to talk about this, not only in the sense of Hollywood basically reimagining the event and using it for not just trauma-borne, but also to perpetuate other movies and films, but utilizing it in a sense as an educational tool, but also a tool to ensure that the African

American families that suffer, the Native American families that suffer, actually get their due, because COSA in Oklahoma as a whole has been so much to the Black community. And I think that that's often forgotten about in conversations about civil rights, about justice, outside of this annual remembrance and celebration. These are things that we need to continue to highlight. It's something that we need to continue pressing the pavement for. Because for far too long, this country hasn't

ignored the fact that they were thriving after the war. They were thriving through the war. They were thriving because they were not only a Christian, but also a business and entrepreneur Christian. It was the name of the game. It also was one of the more bigger movements. And that's something that mattered. It was something that we should continue to fight for, not only in terms of democracy, but also in terms of the party's game. Those left lines were so dismantled by that tragedy. Folks, hold tight right there. We've got to go to a break. We come back. We're going to talk with

Aramah Salayala, the first African-American elected as a state attorney, prosecutor there in Florida. She's running for Congress. We'll also be talking with the founder and editor-in-chief of the Black Wall Street Times, right here in Tulsa. Folks, as we, again, continue our coverage, lots more to talk about right here on Roland Martin Unfiltered. We'll be right back in a moment. Racial injustice is a scourge on this nation, and the Black community has felt it for generations. We have an obligation to do something about it. Whether it's canceling student debt, increasing the minimum wage,

or investing in Black-owned businesses, the Black community deserves so much better. I'm Nina Turner, and I'm running for Congress to do something about it. Shortly after 9-11, America and its allies went to war in Afghanistan to defeat a terrorist stronghold. We accomplished that mission years ago. Trillions of dollars lost, over 2,000 Americans dead, countless Afghans dead. It's time to get out. Many presidents have tried to end the war in Afghanistan,

but President Biden is actually going to do it. And by 9-11, over 20 years after the war was started, the last American soldier will depart, and America's longest war will be over. Promise made, promise kept. All right, folks, welcome back to Roland Martin Unfiltered, broadcasting live here from Tulsa, in the offices of the Black Wall Street Times. Ermis Ayala, of course, we talked to her many times

when she was a state's attorney there in Florida. Well, with Congressman Val Demings indicating that she is going to be making a bid for the United States Senate, Erma Sayala is one of the folks who is running for that congressional seat. She joins us right now. How are you doing? Hey, I'm good.

How are you? Doing great. So you chose not to run for re-election as state's attorney. Why do you want to go to Congress? You know, it's important that when you care, you keep doing something. I'm running because I care. I care about progress. I care about people, public safety, public health. There's so many issues that the community that I'm seeking to represent has in front of them. We often talk about the criminal justice system, but having been the state attorney, there's so many issues that fall under that umbrella when a person is brought into the criminal justice system. If we start with issues of violence, gun violence, we're talking about victims of crime. Once a person is brought in and charged, you're looking at immigration issues, you're looking at voting restrictions. You're looking

at housing limitations, job limitations. And right now in Portland, Florida, you're voting rights. So we have to have someone who understands it, who's been in the trenches and who will do something about it. What are your top three issues if you elected to Congress? Yeah, it's definitely going to be the social and justice and criminal justice reform because of all of those issues that fall underneath it. But in addition to that, I'm a cancer survivor. So I care about health care, not just being able to get universal health care, but most importantly, being able to have accessible and quality health care for all people, not just those who have access to it. When we look at what happened with COVID, we saw all of the disparities. So health care is going to be important.

Down here in Florida, the climate matters when it comes to our waterways. We're surrounded by water, but we also have to make certain that we're addressing the climate and the environmental issues in the urban areas that often get slighted. So I'm going to be looking at climate, health care, racial justice, social justice issues, and so many other issues that are impacting people. Obviously, we're also dealing with economic, black economic social justice. And so what is your agenda for that? Because that's a huge, huge issue that we're seeing. The federal government, I know for a fact, for advertising, only spends 1% of its media dollars with Black-owned firms. We see African-Americans

and other agencies not being able to access those dollars. And so what about Black economic social justice? Black economic social justice has got to be a priority. If you look at all the businesses that failed and that went under during COVID, those are small Black businesses in our community. When you look at the housing crisis, affordable housing is a major issue that keeps a lot of people from being able to be involved and ultimately purchase and escape generational poverty. So when you look at the economic issues, especially for black people, those are the things that matter. Unemployment, education, the student loan issues, small businesses, and certainly the ability to get a job and to have access to affordable housing. All right, then. Well, look, you've got to raise a whole lot of money.

You've got to go shake a lot of hands. But first, we've got to see the actual announcement. We've been hearing that she's going to run for United States Senate, but it hasn't been fully announced yet, confirmed. But we certainly will be watching this congressional race very closely. Ms. Ayala, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Thank you so much, Roland. All right, then. Folks, as I said, we're here in Tulsa. One of the things that,

while this was happening today, of course, the family of Ronald Green, they were at the state capital in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, demanding justice. In that case, he is the young man who police initially said had crashed into a tree and died, when in fact he was severely, severely tased, assaulted, really just brutalized. His case is under investigation by state and federal authorities. A couple of officers have actually lost their jobs. Recy, this is one of those cases again. Two years ago, he was killed.

The family is there and they were there in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, demanding justice. And this is just, again, one after another. Well, we have to yell, kick, scream, holler, act a fool to get justice. And then they released the released the video and we see exactly what happened. But they lied to this man family saying he died in a car crash when they know they tortured this man to death. It's just never ending and it's crazy how, like you said, this is something that happened two years ago and it's now just coming to this level of attention to it. And that's the important of body camera footage.

I remember when the whole defund the police argument was going on and they were against body cams because they said it increases funding for police departments. But how in the hell are we supposed to know what's really happening to people without body cameras? Because we for damn sure cannot rely on the cops to tell the truth about what is going on. And so it's sickening.

It seems like it's never ending. You know, a lot of people say you cannot train this behavior out of people. You can't even pass laws to prevent this kind of behavior. The only thing that we could try to do is try to make it so that there is actual punishment and accountability in these cases, but it does not bring Ronald Greene back

or all of the lives that we've lost to police brutality back. This, folks, is some video that I'm playing right now. It was on Twitter. The family going to the state capitol demanding justice in the case of Ronald Green. We can, Amisha, you can talk over this. And again, two years. This family has to has to has to go there and hold marches and do all of this sort of stuff. And then people wonder why black folks don't believe in the justice system. Well, when the police sit here and lie and then make and literally lie about what happened. The camera tell a different story. They've been then they even tried to hide one of the cops tried to hide his body camera footage. You're absolutely right, Roland. And it's frustrating. This is another layer of what we

already knew about a lot of these police brutality cases, what we already knew about police covering covering for themselves and their cop friends. But it's beyond just body camera footage because the footage was available. The footage was available immediately. We're talking about something that didn't just happen last week, two weeks ago, three weeks ago. This man's family buried him a while ago. We're talking about years at this point. And there has been zero accountability. My frustration isn't just the fact that there was body cam footage. Body cam footage can exist, and it's great when it does.

However, when it exists and you can clearly see on it the length of brutality, the extent of a 49-minute video of this man being beaten, bloody, cursed out, being made fun of. And, you know, you're hearing all of these racial epithets. You're hearing them talk about the possibility of AIDS. You're seeing them use hand sanitizer to wipe the blood off of their hands after they've literally watched this man die and offered no form of aid. The problem I have with this is that the police had it the entire time. The the the investigators had it the entire time. There is at no point anyone who looked back and said, this is wrong. These guys should be pulled off. There should be an investigation.

They should be charged with murder. Nothing for how long. So it's not just the presence of body cam, because body cam doesn't mean a darn thing if you're not going to pursue legal ramifications when police officers act outside of that badge and commit murder. So I think that for that family, my heart goes out to them because they've been trying to fight for justice for so long. But also the full recognition that these police reports don't matter because they essentially lie more often than not, but also that body cams don't matter

in many cases. This case did not have a young girl out with her cell phone taking a camera footage, taking camera footage and putting it on social media and showing the world. This was people largely dependent on the police officers themselves being held accountable by the body cam footage that they had. And that simply did not happen. Dr. Greg Carr, we're playing video right here of protesters who are blocking one of the roadways there in Baton Rouge. They want one to get folks' attention. At the end of the day, you got to do what you got to do. Well, Roland, what we're seeing right now is what you just showed is justification for the white nationalists in this country

who are working feverishly at the state level to introduce legislation and pass legislation to allow white nationalists to run over protesters. This is not a country. In the words of Mother Viola Fletcher last week, she said, I think about the horrors inflicted upon black people in this country every day. She's 170 years old. With all, again, due respect to Representative Clyburn, the difference between qualified immunity in this piece of federal legislation and not qualified immunity is the difference between a full loaf of bread

and a piece of paper with the word bread written on it. Brother, don't, don't, let's be serious here. Let's be serious. The reason, as Amisha just laid out very powerfully, the reason they can joke, the reason they can spray hand sanitizer trying to get the blood off their hands is because, contrary to what those cowards say with their bird chests when they stand up in a court of law, they do not fear for their children and their husbands and their wives to fear for the loss of their homes and their children's future inheritance. It's time for them to literally fear for their lives, because, see, here's what's going to happen. Here's what is going to happen.

We're going to get the message that if the police pull you over, you better be strapped and you better be ready, because, as Ice Cube said, rather be judged by 12 than carried by six. So let's get serious, Representative Clyburn. Either it's qualified immunity and you roll back the judge-invented doctrine of qualified immunity that came into existence in the 60s and then was reinforced and greatly expanded in the 1980s. Some of us can read law cases too, brother. Or prepare yourself for what comes next, because one of these days we're going to get the message, and that message is not going to be very kind to these killer death squad cops and their fake punk-ass attorneys that

back them up and the cities that pay rather than them pay and break up these damn police unions. Qualified immunity has to go, brother. They have to be punished. That's what will back them up for us. Folks, earlier today, across from the Greenwood Cultural Center, they had the unveiling of that Tulsa mural. We had the opportunity to talk with the artist, a white man from Maryland, who talked about how he was moved by it and then explained to us, explained to us, walking us through exactly what his vision was to illustrate what took place 100 years ago in the community of Greenwood, where 36 blocks were torched by racists here in

Tulsa. You said when, at the tip of the introduction, that when you got the call to do this, you had no idea about this issue? I had no idea. It was never taught to me. It was a blank. I had to look it up. You were born and raised where? I was born in 1959, raised in Florida, military family, public schools, Florida State University.

Never once heard anything about it. And how were you selected? So who chose you? I think Randy Vaughn, the gentleman right there, knew my work, saw the Harriet Tubman mural. Harriet Tubman mural where? Harriet Tubman mural in Cambridge, Maryland, on the side of the Harriet Tubman Museum and Visitor Center, or Educational Center. And, again, it was a powerful, powerful image of a powerful, powerful woman that when you tap into the stories that you're telling,

if I didn't get emotional, if I can't get emotional, I'm not doing my job, A, but B, as a human being, you know, so out of the hair, as a human being, you have to experience it in order to feel the pain of the person and the people that you're conveying. But even as just human beings walking the planet, to understand why the black perspective has an issue with any of a number of things. And when you start to tell the story, you start to realize, you know, the complete mistreatment and abuse of race simply because of the color of their skin.

It gets really heavy. And I don't say it, I mean, I say that, but I mean, I feel it when I paint. And when Randy called me about doing it, and I think it was because of the Harriet Tubman mural, because for that one, it was the same thing. I don't take lightly that I'm a white man painting a black story, but I'm also a human being painting a human story, you know, and that we should be able to tell each other's story, you know. And the disadvantage to the black artists is that the white population is not hiring black artists

to tell the white story. And I can attest to how much empathy and how much you learn about yourself and the people you're painting about by being asked to paint that story. So, and I think I try to convey that to my work, and I think that's probably why, in answer to your question, they asked me to paint it. Take us through your process to visualize this.

What research did you do? How often did you travel here? Did you talk to people? Just take us through that process. I will. I had a lot of conversations with Randy and Dr. Crutcher about what it is they were trying to convey, what they wanted me to express through the painting.

The amount of research, listening to podcasts, reading historical articles, just reading everything I could about what happened that day. I didn't have the opportunity to travel out here. I mean, this is my first time in Tulsa, but I think- This is your first time here? In Tulsa. Okay. Yeah, and so I think, I mean, that's the beauty,

obviously, of the internet now is that you can pretty much get a picture of what it is and what happened through all the documentation. But what you don't get is what you saw today was that human level, that emotional level. And sometimes it just doesn't work that you can travel. Either you're working on other projects and getting out to meet the people face-to-face, it's not feasible. It may not be in a budget. At the same time, the beauty of the internet again,

Zoom, I can have a conversation with you over the internet and at least I have contact with you, which I did with them. My first time here. How did you settle on this? The microphone here, Anthony, should just different. Well, you know. So, we're going to get the microphone here. Oh, yeah, for sure. And she just. Right, yeah. She's standing on that side right there. Okay.

So, just explain the different elements of this mural. Well, when I was having the conversation with Dr. Crutcher, you know, she was telling stories, telling me about, and I had also read the stories, but the firsthand account, you know, of running down the street with her mother being chased by white men. And, you know, you just had to read about the white community deputizing 500 people and being told to make something, make it happen. You know, these are, and, you know, the deputies allowing it to happen. I mean, I would say, you know, the the police force at that time allowing that community, the white community to burn down, burn down a town and kill. Those are truths that you can't gloss over. I mean, that's the truth that gets swept under the carpet. That's what has to be. You know, when you look at that in this painting, you want to know who is that person? Why is there a white guy and they're holding a gun?

Why are they loading bodies onto a flatbed truck? And when you start to do your research, you start to realize that's what happened. They loaded bodies, dead bodies onto trucks and took them to mass graves. You know, you know that, you know, the white community made sure that they went into every house and every business to and destroy it. The whole goal was to destroy it and get rid of all evidence and then to pillage what was in every one of those houses. That has to be addressed. You have to feel, as a white person, you have to

look at that and be a little bit shocked that, you know, wow, I don't feel that. But someone did feel that and they did this. And that person and the consequences of that action was what's right there in the center, which is a loss of a husband, a father, you know, of a future, you know. Got the child flushing. The child, yeah. Well, you know, my dad died when I was seven years old in Vietnam, so I never saw him. He never came back.

He's MIA. And I remember my mom screaming, you know, when they came over, and I remember what it feels like, you know, what it felt like as a child to, you know, to have your dad no longer there. The difference was I still had a community. I still had a house. I still had, you know, a family surrounding me, a military family. This child doesn't. I mean, to be that boy at that age and have this happen. You can't comprehend at that age what happened, except you were afraid. But you but you know, when he turns 15 or when he turns 17 or when he's 20

years old, you're going to start to he'll start to feel all the pain that he's feeling at that moment. And as a viewer, I think it's important of public art that tells a story like this. You have to be able to put yourself as a viewer into that boy's mind, into that woman's heart and mind, and to feel the devastation of death. You've got to be able to look at the white community, your community, and say, they did this. You also have that plane- The airplane did.

Right. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. This massacre. The orange, it represents fire, but obviously a lot of this fire would already be gone. So I had to come up with a style that wasn't fire, but felt like fire. But it also, didn't it also start after sundown? So you sort of have sun setting. Yeah, which is why you get that kind of long shadow. This is either early morning or late

in the evening. But so you get your, and you, just as a technique, you know, you want your eye to go right to the people. The other story you will eventually learn as you look at it. But when you look at the immediate impact of this mural, you want it. I wanted it right in the center. I wanted all the lines converging into her because that that's the legacy that that's what happened. You know what happens after this moment on this porch? Who knows? I mean, was she able to rebuild? Was that boy able to go on and live a prosperous life? I don't know. But we as a viewer have to confront that and say, you know, this can't happen. We can't this kind of hatred. And we know it's still out there.

I mean, we're not fooling anybody that, you know, that there are still people with that kind of hatred in their hearts and and uh it's i think the more you tell the story the more people like i do after telling the story i despise that hatred now i mean i i before you understood it was there but until you really start to tell a story and feel the empathy of those that are affected by that you don't you know that's when it has an impact and that's how as an artist i'm changed by telling these stories i mean and it's i take incredible pride uh in a telling the story telling the black heritage story telling the black story i'm not black but as a human being we all are you know and if i can't get into that story then how can i ever how can we ever you know move on on. Yeah, man. Sure. Right. Exactly. Chasing him down. Get them. Get them. Absolutely. Because that's what happened. I mean, there's no denying that that that happened all

day long. It's documented. Rounded up, you know, taking it taken to wherever at the time they took them or ran completely out of town. And if you resisted, shot. You know, so the word massacre is powerful. But the story of the massacre is even greater than the power the word gives because you suddenly realize that this happened to human beings. And it only happened because the color of their skin. You know, the hatred and the jealousy that it took to do that,

I can't comprehend. As a human being now, it's impossible. But I know it happened and you've got to capture that and hopefully I did. That was my goal. All right. I certainly appreciate it. All right.

Absolutely. Thanks a bunch for walking us through this. I appreciate it. I appreciate it too. It's my honor, actually. All right. Thanks a bunch. I appreciate it. I appreciate it, too. It's my honor, actually. All right. Thanks a bunch. I appreciate it.

You got it. You got it. So, folks, we're here broadcasting from the offices of theblackwallstreettimes.com. They were supposed to have a big celebration, their grand opening, but a massive storm came through. They pushed it to Saturday. They had a virtual program. If you go to their Facebook page, you can check it out. And then also, I'm going to ask the founder-in-chief,

does he would like for us to actually rescream it on Roland Martin Unfiltered? I'm sure he wouldn't mind getting a few eyeballs for that stuff. Nehemiah Frank Jones is right now. So this is the magazine that they actually put out, folks. You have it right here you see the poster here the black wall street times greenwood uh 100 um and so how you doing man great it's nice to be on your show so so so explaining us exactly what is the black wall street times y'all launching what is it yeah so the black wall street times has actually been around since 2017 today we we just released our Greenwood 100 magazine to commemorate the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre. But, you know, more so to talk about the deep history that has caused, that has culminated into, you know, what became the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre.

And so that's just white supremacy and racism. Now, but you're also a digital company. Yes. So share with folks what y'all have been doing, what kind of work you've been doing, and where can people actually check out the work? Yeah, so you can check out the work on the BlackWallStreetTimes.com

or TheBWSTimes.com. And yeah, so we've been doing this since 2017. A lot of the work is, uh, locally focused, but if there's a story that breaks nationally or that we think could break nationally, then we, you know, tend to focus nationally. So what are you pushing out? Is it written stories? Is it video? Do you have audio podcasts? Yeah, all of the above. We have all of the above. We have a podcast. We have written work that we put out every single day, and then we publish once a year. We publish a newspaper. This year, we decided to publish an actual magazine. So the magazine, I would say, is similar to the 1619 Project. How has the company grown in the four years? Yeah, so, I mean, it started with me.

It was pretty much just a blog at the time. I wanted to clap back at Trump and tell folks about my history. I wanted to elevate my people and my community. You're from here? Yeah, I'm from here. Born and raised? I am born, wasn't raised. My dad was in the military, lived everywhere, all across the country.

But, yes, I am a black Wall Street legacy. My family on my dad's side, they were here pre-massacre. They stayed after the massacre and rebuilt. Questions for our panel. I'm going to repeat it to you since I have IFB. So questions from our panel. Let's start first with Misha Cross. Any questions for

Nehemiah Frank? Absolutely. Over the years, you've been doing so much work there. How is it that you're creating the narrative of this story today for Fresh Eyes? There are so many people that still have misconceived notions or honestly weren't taught the full legacy of what happened in Tulsa. How are you reimagining that and showcasing it for your audience now? Yeah, so I would say we're definitely showcasing that through Greenwood 100. It has a set of photographs or images that are, I would say, caution, right? You would definitely want to make sure you're prepared to see these images. And we even go deeper.

We talk about, you know, why the race massacre happened in the first place. What were the seeds of the race massacre and the importance of just teaching it? So, yeah. Let's see. Recy, your question for the founder, editor-in-chief of the Black Wall Street Times. Yes. You know, I applaud what you're doing, but we also have to recognize that people have very short attention spans,

and you won't necessarily capture as many people with something in-depth. Is there any way that you have been able to reach people in a more, like, concise or maybe like a meme form? Do you think that that could be effective? I mean, I know, obviously, I'm not saying that you can really capture the whole essence of the massacre in that form. But at the same time, we know people have very, very short attention spans. Most people don't even read an entire caption on an Instagram post. Is there some way that you are able to reach that particular demographic, or is that not even something you think is even worth trying?

That's a really good question. I would say that a lot of the learning comes through the journalistic activism that we do. So there's a potential, you know, there's a policy that we want to, you know, push up against. We don't just do journalism here. Like, we are trying to protect our people. And so we'll do a call to action right through our media outlet, because if it impacts black people in an adverse way, you know, we're going to mobilize our people and we're going to show up. And so, you know, then we create, with that we create, you know, more energy around our causes. So other media outlets that are, you know, I would say that have majority white journalists, you know, they're more likely to pick up, you know, our stories and help amplify our causes.

Greg Carr, your question for Nehemiah Frank. Brother Frank, and thank you, Roland. We're all readers here, so we're good. In fact, brother, I went on your website. I know Roland is going to instruct you to tell other people how to do the same. I bought a copy of the newspaper that's coming out now. In fact, brother, I went on your website, and I know Roland is going to instruct you to tell other people how to do the same. I bought a copy of the newspaper that's coming out now that's about to ship, the one from last year, and I got a copy mug just on top of that because otherwise I'd ask Roland to put an extra copy of that in his bag.

But this really ties to the question I want to ask you. I'm thinking about Mother Fletcher again last week here in D.C. testifying when she said, I've never made much money to this day. I can't afford, barely afford my everyday needs. And all the while, the city of Tulsa has unjustly used the names and stories of victims like me to enrich itself and its white allies through the 30 million raised by the Tulsa Centennial Commission

while I continue to live in poverty. 107 years old. Brother, let me ask you this. As you sit there with our brother, Roland Martin, in black-owned and black-controlled spaces, while all of our friends, including Cornel West and Hill Harper, a couple of our frat brothers, are gonna be there all next week

with the shiny stuff. Can you help us understand the difference between where you are and what you all are doing, and what's going to surround you in this flood of attention over the next week? How can we distinguish between what's what? And how can we support you? Because we know that's

black-owned black control. Yeah, that's good stuff right there. I like that. Yeah, so the community is putting on the Black Wall Street Legacy Fest, and that is led by our spearhead, I would say, by the one and only

Dr. Tiffany Crutcher. She is the force in this state. She is, you know, she's remarkable. Her, she is unwillingness, her unwillingness to compromise, you know, unless the right thing is done is, is, has really helped, you know, drive a lot of the activism and the change that has happened in this city. And recently, you know, John, this just happened. This is just new news. John Legend and Stacey Abrams have pulled out of the Centennial Commission's event.

Right. And it's, I mean, that just shows the type of, you know, power that she has. And the community is completely following her. As far as like Mother Randall and Mother Fletcher and Uncle Red, I was in D.C. with them at the Capitol building when they were testifying. And my goodness, like their resilience to last this long. You know, we had a chance to meet the vice president of the United States, Kamala Harris. And just in that in that 30 minutes that we had with her, she showed more compassion and grace and empathy to the living survivors. And just that in 30 minutes than the city of Tulsa has shown to them in 100 years. You know, and I think that that is, you know,

that's something to be said about, you know, the wickedness in this place. You know, my hope is that through the Black Wall Street Legacy Fest, through the community murals that are going up and, you know, the events, the education that we're putting out. And, of course, through the Black Wall Street Times

that we're able to continue to, you know, show people, you know, our perspectives, you know, and how we bring change, you know, in a very red state like Oklahoma. Explain, first of all, I mean, obviously, I understand the importance of Black-owned media. And so what is the status of the black media here being able to tell the story and control the narrative? Yeah, so the black wall street times is of course here.

We don't print daily or anything like the Tulsa world. But a lot of people are moving. And the Tulsa world is a daily newspaper. Yes, it's a daily newspaper. And it's a newspaper that's printed daily. Street Times is, of course, here. We don't print daily or anything like the Tulsa World, but, you know, a lot of people are moving. And the Tulsa World is a daily newspaper. Yes, it's a daily newspaper. There's Oklahoma Eagle, and then there's the Black Wall Street Times. In 1921, when the black media stations were, the black publications were burnt down, there were only two back then. But yeah, like, you know,

we're pushing, we're driving the narrative. They don't always listen to us. Last, I think it was like two weeks ago, the governor of the state, their comp team wouldn't even pass any information to us. Like, just think about that. Like, the government, we are

paying taxes to you, but you're not even sharing, you know, information with us. And so one of our journalists reached out for a comment. And, you know, we got this nasty email back from the governor's team. And the comms person pretty much said that, you know, we don't respond to activists pretending to be reporters. It was the most, it's just a very disrespectful email. And so, you know, just from that, like, all of the media, even the white folks, even the white media was going after them. Like, wow, how could you say that to them?

Like, they do excellent reporting, too. So, yeah, absolutely important of driving, you know, the narrative. Yeah. Last question for you. What do, what do you see this five years from now? What do you, what do you want the Black Wall Street time to look like five years from now? I think Dr. Crutcher summed it up pretty well. I would like to be next to the Root and next to the Griot. I don't want to replace them. I love the work that they do. I would like to be next to the Roland Mars show. Yeah. Gotcha. So you actually want to broaden it beyond just Tulsa. Absolutely. Gotcha. Because this wasn't

the only place where they had Black Wall Street. Right. There were other Black communities. Yeah, absolutely. And there are other communities that need

Black media. Absolutely. To help amplify their stories and why their lives matter. All right, then. Well, we certainly appreciate it.

Glad you let us camp out at your location. I know you've got another event to get to. but we appreciate you sitting down and talking with us at Roller Mountain Filters. Thank you for having me. All right. Thanks a bunch. Also, hold up. So, folks, the website, TheBlackWallStreetTimes.com. Okay, people are asking on YouTube and Facebook, they want to know how can they get a copy of the magazine. Can they order one? You can order on the online store. Okay, online store as well. And see, y'all, he's rocking the gear. Y'all, normally I have my unfiltered gear. I don't have any. But the people that are asking this, what do they want to know?

Can they buy gear? Yes, you can buy the gear on the website too. See, there you go. They ain't got no problem making money selling y'all some stuff. If y'all buy it, it supports the black home. Nehemiah, I appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you.

All right. Grant Carr, you got all of them books stacked behind you. I'm sure. Surely, Greg, I know you pulled out your books related to the Tulsa massacre of 1921. Take it away. Only a few. Only a few. I did have a few around, brother. I'm just to urge this. Look, all these cats are going to be at the official thing. I mean, Hannibal Johnson's going to be at the official thing, Roland. I mean, Hannibal Johnson's going to be there. It's a great one called Black Wall Street 100, right?

It's great. Even children's books. Alvarine Bill and Stacey Robinson did Across the Tracks. This is for young people, children. You can see that one there. It's called Across the Tracks, which talks about it as well. The Burning. This is a YA piece.

Young adult Tim Madigan redid this. This is if you've got an eighth grader or a ninth grader. And then just two others right quick. Carlos Hill. In fact, hold tight. Hold tight. Greg, hold on one second. Greg, hold on one second because I want to talk about that.

So Tim Madigan and I worked together at the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. And Tim Madigan, white guy, grew up in Iowa. And it wasn't until he was doing the research and it hit him. And when he heard these stories, and I remember we did the interview and he talked about a black couple on their knees, elderly black couple praying in their living room, and guns were put to the back of their head, and their heads were blown out. And Tim said to me, he said, Roland, all these years when these racial things would happen, when OJ would happen, he said, I would be like, what's wrong with black people? Why are folks tripping?

He said it was not until he did the research for that book, he said, where he understood black pain. He said Tulsa and the research put into perspective for him a white man growing up in Iowa who never saw black people until he went to college, who never knew anything about this history, and he was almost in tears, and he said for this to happen, he said, and he was he was almost in tears and he said for this to happen he said and he was angry he said because he grew up and had no idea so um i'm gonna try to find that interview uh that that we had i'm sure he's gonna be here i probably cross paths with him but that's actually uh a very good book and like i say a former colleague of mine in fort worth go ahead no roland in fact i almost we should almost end with that brother i had the only i got two a very good book and, like I say, a former colleague of mine in Fort Worth. Go ahead.

No, Roland, in fact, we should almost end with that, brother. I got two more in my hand and there are many, many more. No, no, no, you got some other. No, no, no, show your other stuff. I got time alone. No, I just, like I say, I got a bunch more that I didn't pull, but I want to show just two more. One is called the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre. Carlos Hill who's going to be there next week again.

See, the problem is the folk next week have all the money. That's what Mother Fletcher was saying. Y'all have got this money funded, corporate sponsors, but this is an excellent book because he not only talks about what happened in 21, he talks about the fact that they rebuilt

and he shows the pictures and the photographs and then he takes us into the moment where we see the highways come through and all the redlining and stuff and then he ends with the personal testimony of many of the survivors all of whom almost all of whom are ancestors name and the last one I'll end with and as you interviewed brother I thought to myself the muralist I said you know it's good to have him. The great Ed Dwight did a sculpture there at the John O. Franklin Reconciliation Park, the same sculptor who's done so much work everywhere, including the South Carolina State Capitol. But brother, I said, you know, are there no Black muralists? And the cover of this book,

which is a children's book, Floyd Cooper, who is a Tulsa native, now lives in Pennsylvania, did the cover of this book and the illustrations. This is a Tulsa native, now lives in Pennsylvania, did the cover of this book and the illustrations. This is a children's book. Unspeakable, the Tulsa Race Massacre. Look at the cover. Hmm. That looks way better. Oh my God. Can you understand? You know, and that is

the cover. So of course, when you open the full mural, you know, are there no Black mural? Hmm. You know, think about the fact that this is a collaboration between a black man and a black woman, Carol Boston Weatherford and Floyd Cooper. There they are. Gabrielle and Floyd Cooper.

I'm not saying other people can and shouldn't participate. It's the only way that this place is going to make it. However, at moments like this, at moments like this, that'd be black hands that apply paint to the side of buildings. With all due respect, everyone else can help, but I just, you know, I just want to end with that and get this book for your children. Get this book for your children and let them sit with those images. So I'll start with that one. Thank you, brother. Also, let me say this here, folks, and you knew this was coming. The Department of Homeland Security, they actually have issued a bulletin warning that events tied to the this commemoration could be the targets of white supremacists. That decision came down.

Of course, President Joe Biden is going to be here next week as a result. But again, that's what is taking place. And DHS sort of offered that, and I can confirm that the events with John Legend and Stacey Abrams was stated there being postponed, not canceled, postponed, no reason given, but I can confirm what Nehemiah just told us, that the events that would have featured John Legend and Stacey Abrams will not be taking place this week. Got to go to a break. When we come back, we'll be more from Tulsa. Also, we'll be talking with the Ghost Brothers. They've got a series on discovery.

A lot of black folks saying, Ghosts? Really? Why not? We'll discuss next on Roland Martin Unfiltered. When you study the music, you get black history by default. And so no other craft could carry as many words as rap music. I try to intertwine that and make that create whatever I'm supposed to send out to the universe. A rapper, you know, for the longest period of time has gone through phases.

I love the word. I hate what it's become, you know, for the longest period of time, has gone through phases. I love the word. I hate what it's become, you know, to this generation, the way they visualize it. Its narrative kind of like has gotten away and spun away from, I guess, the ascension of Black people. Black women have always been essential. So now how are you going to pay us like that? And it's not just the salary.

I mean, there are a whole number of issues that have to support us as women. Yeah, but that's what we deserve. We shouldn't have to beg anybody for that. I think that we are trying to do our best as a generation to honor the fact that we didn't come here alone and we didn't come here by accident. I always say every generation has to define for itself what it means to move the needle forward.

Everybody, this is your man Fred Hammond. Hi, my name is Bresha Webb and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. Hey, everybody, it's your man Fred Hammond. Hi, my name is Bresha Webb, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. And, well, I like a nice filter usually, but we can be unfiltered. Do you believe in haunted houses? Well, my next guest are three friends in Atlanta who say, yeah, this thing is real. They have a hit reality series on Discovery's Travel Channel.

Joining us right now for the talk about the new season of Ghost Brothers Lights Out, Jawan Mass, Marcus Harvey, and Daylon Spratt. They're called the Ghost Brothers. Gentlemen, how you doing? How you doing? No audio from them or me? I can hear you. All right, gentlemen, can y'all now hear me?

I can hear you. I can hear you. All right, then. Okay, all right. I want to make sure no ghosts are sitting here screwing up everything with y'all feed there. So y'all think ghosts are real? Man, you know, ghosts, real, you know, ghosts, real. Stop playing.

You know what it is. Traditionally, we've always thought, you know, only ghosts that we play with is the Holy Ghost. Come on, church. So we've decided that we just wanted to see what that was going to really be. And it's actually real. They really out here. They out here for real. So, OK, so for the for the skeptical person out there. How do you know ghosts are real? Have they talked? Have they talked to you? Have you seen them? Have unexplained things gone on? How do you know ghosts are real?

I'm going to be completely honest with you, man. A couple years ago, we were just like everybody else, sitting at the house, wondering the same questions. When we started doing this, I'm telling you, we have seen some of the craziest things that you've probably ever imagined. I mean, like shadows walking through a room, not on the wall. It ain't no lights on in the room.

I mean just a black figure walking directly in front of you in the room. Like we've seen some crazy stuff, man. Okay. Now when you say we've seen some crazy stuff, so we're all three of y'all together, that y'all see it individually, and so if you were together, y'all go, did you see that? Did you see that? We all saw that. And that y'all stay in the house.

Man, it's crazy. No, I was going to say it's crazy. Like if one of us are together, we always try to wait to see if the other person kind of saw it so we can be like, so we can have that validation. But we've caught it on camera. And we caught it on camera. And that's like, that's the best right there, right? Like, that's the nail in the coffin when you can have it show and prove.

But typically, I'm the first one to run when something goes down. I'm not even going to lie. I'm out of there. Okay, first of all, how did y'all get together? When did this even start? Were y'all just sitting around talking and it was kind of like, man, I think we ought to do a ghost show. And then who said you too high?

Juwan and I had just graduated from clark atlanta university we were roommates at the time and i remember had to be like three in the morning man i woke up in the middle of the night and i was just watching one of those ghost hunter shows and i realized i never saw any reflection of myself on any of these shows there was no black black folks, no minorities, no young folks. And I was just curious to why black people didn't dabble in the paranormal. So I ran across the hallway to Juwan, bust through his door and woke him up at three in the morning and told him, we need to hunt ghosts. And yeah, that didn't go the way I thought it would at three o'clock in the morning. I mean, no. Roland, I'm going to be honest with you. My first thought was like,

are you sober? Like, bro, what are you talking about? But I went back to sleep, woke up the next morning and was like, man, you might be on to something. And from that point on, we decided to go see if ghosts exist. Questions from my panelists.

Recy, I'll start with you. Recy, have you ever seen a ghost, experienced a ghost, and are you scared of them? Hell yeah, I'm scared of ghosts. I watch all kinds of horror movies. Right now, my daughter, she does this thing where she's looking up. Sometimes she screams. Sometimes she giggles.

I'm like, is it Cas she giggles i'm like is it casper the friendly ghost or is it an evil ghost let me know because we have an old house um but my question is how do you how do you guys um determine you know i i read that one of you is on zoom and then the other two go in there do you ever switch it up? Or is the one that's on the Zoom, or like the one who's guiding, do you decide like, I'm not going in no matter what? Like, cause I'm trying to figure out how come all three of y'all don't get in on all the fun.

And then my second question is, are you guys considering like writing a movie or making a fictional version of it? Those are my two questions. Yeah, yeah. To jump on right into that second question, we definitely are considering writing a movie. We're working on that now. Yeah, I feel like that's the next progression

for the Ghost Brothers. But to your first question, with this new series, we thought it'd be kind of interesting if one of us knew the history about the location, but the other two knew absolutely nothing. And their job is to go in that first round and see if they can get any information

while in these locations that matches the actual story. Because if they can, there's got to be some kind of proof out there that something's helping them out. You can obviously tell he's the one that sits outside and we go in. Because it sounded like it was coming from a

selfish place. Like, you know, you were really protected. Marcus and I being that thing exposed. Bruh, wide open, man. We being like asylums, plantations, like churches, like everything that's crazy that you know is beyond all belief is where we always get to go in first. We appreciate that, Daylon. We appreciate that, bro.

I have one more question. Yes, ma'am. All right, Risa. Go on with the second question. I'm sorry. I just want to know have you guys ever gone to a location and come home and been a little shook up? What's going on? Did a ghost follow us here?

Nah. I'm married. and come home and been a little shook up, like, uh, what's going on? Did a ghost follow us here? Nah, nah. Listen, I'm married. I'm married. I'm married. So I'm married, and my wife don't play with that stuff. She's like, ain't nobody calling you boo. Uh-uh, uh-uh. Who's that boo?

Uh-uh. Ain't no side ghost out here. She be like, uh-uh. Cut all that out. So I'm like, before we even go anywhere, we be praying. We have the sage, you know, all that stuff. We make sure like, before we even go anywhere, we be praying. We have the sage, all that stuff.

We make sure that we straight, for real, for real. Okay. Thank you, Reese. Greg Carr. Roland, brother. Well, first of all, Reese, your baby girl is in good shape

because the Congo people believe that the folks who are closest to the ancestors are the ones who just came back from the other side, so she's probably in conversation with your great-great-grandmother. So she's good. Which leads me to the question I want to ask you, brothers, because if y'all went to Clark,

Atlanta, you probably know the answer to this, because you know my brother, Dr. Dan Black, who I'm very close to down here. I'm sure y'all know about Hanks, Blue Hanks, Bottle Trees, Duffies out of Jamaica. In other words, there ain't no such thing as ghosts. There are only those who you can't see who are not in material form.

I'm sure y'all know about those Bottle Trees and how to trap an evil spirit. I'm sure you know what Hanks are, whether it be South Carolina, Louisiana or Florida. In other words, how y'all putting this black spin on this thing to help these people understand that the idea of being scared of your ancestors came out of Europe brother help us first off Dr. Craig you my favorite person on TV

period I'm just going to tell you like this I watch you every night and every time you do this like that little push back I'm like I gotta listen so uh we just have respect for the um pushback, I'm like, I gotta listen. So, uh... Appreciate it. We just have respect for the, um... We just have respect for, like, um... Whatever we're investigating, we look at it, like you

said, with, um, honor that we know that it's just an ancestor or it could be just a person who just doesn't have an actual voice or a presence right now. So, that's typically how we get a lot of our evidence, too, because we're very cordial, we're very respectful when we go into places, you know,

and we're just a great team, to be totally honest. That's big. We knew... Unless it's the ancestor of a racist. At that point, y'all need to, yeah. But anyway, I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, I'm just saying, like, gentlemen, first of all,

Go ahead. Go ahead. No, I'm just saying, we knew from the very beginning that it was very taboo the idea of dealing with spirits in the black community. Like I said, my mom was my head pastor of my church, so she'd been grooming me since I was in the third grade to, you know, to the ideology that any other spirits

outside of God is something of the devil, you know what I mean? And so our biggest hurdle was just crossing that taboo within the black community. But I feel like we've been doing so. You know what I mean? We spoon-feed it by adding humor into our show and respect into our show, and to show people that, you know, all the spirits out that you may encounter may not be on that negative side.

And like you said, you could actually be out there reaching or speaking to one of your ancestors. One of our first shows was on a plantation, a slave plantation in Louisiana, and our interactions with those spirits were totally different than our white counterparts who had investigated there before. Oh, that's beautiful. That's beautiful that's all right then yeah y'all the it's a new season the show is called ghost brothers lights out uh you can catch it uh on discovery plus's streaming app uh check it out

uh i certainly want to appreciate uh juwan mar Marcus, and Daylon for joining us right here on Rolling Mark Unfiltered. Gentlemen, thanks a lot. Thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Alright then. Folks, that is it for us. I want to thank Nehemiah and the folks here at the Black Wall Street Times for allowing us to broadcast

our show from here. Tomorrow, y'all, we're going to start early. A lot of events happening all throughout the weekend. We're going to be live streaming we're going to have two crews uh covering tulsa uh things left and right you don't want to miss that and so y'all what you should do is set your notifications on youtube and facebook so when we go live and pop up on your phone and you can see the events i hey i haven't seen anybody else here this is why we do what we do. We're black-owned. Y'all know how we roll. It's important that we cover the issues that matter to us.

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