#RolandMartinUnfiltered - TX Man Tased in Ambulance, PVAM President Resigns, Fox News Slavery Rant, MO Passes Anti-Crime Bill

Episode Date: February 11, 2023

2.10.2023 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: TX Man Tased in Ambulance, PVAM President Resigns, Fox News Slavery Rant, MO Passes Anti-Crime Bill An RMU exclusive.  A Texas man files a federal suit against Kill...een police officers and the city for 'excessive force' following a seizure.  We are the first to have the bodycam footage of him being tased in an ambulance.  I'll talk to the man's attorney as she walks us through what happened.  Prairie View A&M University's president,  Ruth J. Simmons, resigned four months early.  The issue?  A dispute with Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp over hiring during the rest of Simmons' term as president.  I'll break it all down for you. A black Louisiana council member says she's getting railroaded on voter fraud charges.  Her attorney will explain how the council member was interrogated and brought before a judge to plead guilty within hours by a district attorney who was the subject of a DOJ investigation in  2016. And in our Education Matters segment, a high school dropout overcame the odds and is now, with the help of his son, teaching others how to overcome wealth barriers with his financial literacy academy. Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:18 This is Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad listen to absolute season one taser incorporated on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts charters her attorney will explain how the council member was interrogated and brought before a judge to plead guilty within hours of a DA who was subject of a DOJ investigation in 2016. And in our Education Matters segment, a high school dropout overcame the odds, and is now, with the help of his son, teaching others how to overcome wealth barriers with his financial literacy academy.
Starting point is 00:02:01 Folks, it is time to bring the funk on Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Let's go. Puttin' it down from sports to news to politics With entertainment just for kicks He's rollin' Yeah, yeah It's Uncle Roro, yo Yeah, yeah It's Rollin' Martin Yeah, yeah Rollin' with Rollin' now
Starting point is 00:02:40 Yeah, yeah He's bunk, he's fresh, he's real the best. You know he's Roland Martin. Now. Folks, here's a Roland Martin exclusive. A Texas man, folks, was tased in an ambulance after he had a seizure. He was tased by Killeen police officers. He has now filed a federal lawsuit against the three police officers, as well as the city alleging that his civil rights were actually violated.
Starting point is 00:03:26 Truman McCollum Jr. suffered a medical emergency at a Burger King parking lot, causing him to hit another vehicle. This took place on January 16, 2021. Now, he was not responsive when he was removed from his car. He is then taken to an ambulance. Now, this is an exclusive body cam video provided to us by his attorneys. It shows Truman being tased multiple times in the ambulance. And again, when they moved him to the police car.
Starting point is 00:03:56 Now, before we show you the video, we want to warn you because it could be triggering for you. This is the first time, again, that this has been actually shown. So let's play the video. Stop. Grab him down. Grab him down. Grab him down. Get your face. Get your face. Stop eating their taste. Stop eating their taste. Here we go. Stop.
Starting point is 00:04:30 Stop. Stop. Let me see your hands. Turn around. Turn around. Get on your stomach. Get on your stomach. Look at Josh.
Starting point is 00:04:38 Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop Get on your stomach. Get on your stomach. Look at Josh. Look at Josh. Look at Josh.
Starting point is 00:04:46 Let's keep him. Stop. Stop. Oh, stop. Turn around. Quit. Come on, man. Face that way.
Starting point is 00:04:55 Face that way. Hold on, OK, man. Stop. I'm here. Quit. Hold the spot. I'm here to go free. Get down.
Starting point is 00:05:03 Get down. Get down. Oh, look at that. Still farting. Oh. Quit! Get his arms. Quit moving! Get in his arms.
Starting point is 00:05:19 Get in his arms. Watch that stage. Quit moving! Get in his arms! Get in his arms! Watch that stage. Sam, we need more units. Stop. Give me your hand. Oh! Quit.
Starting point is 00:05:35 Here. You're going to get it again. Get one. Let me see your hands. Come here. I can't see your hands! Quit moving! Quit moving! Stop! Quit!
Starting point is 00:06:24 Get the other hand! Get the other way. I can't. Sir, quit. Not this way. Keep it there. Quit. Quit. Stay still. Quit.
Starting point is 00:06:42 At least double cuff him. At least double cuff him! At least double cuff him! We're working on it, we'll drive straight. It doesn't matter how it gets put on. Get him, Josh. Get him. Sam, we're detained. Stop moving.
Starting point is 00:07:23 We're detained, but he's still uncontrollable. He's outside now. Quit. Ah! Fuck! Hey, calm down, man. Easy, calm down. Calm down.
Starting point is 00:07:44 That's Melendez. Calm down. Calm down. We're inside the hamlet. Chill. Breathe. Hey, we can get him out of here. Hey, look. Would you mind?
Starting point is 00:07:52 Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, look.
Starting point is 00:08:00 Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, look. Hey, will you get him out of here? Hey, look, would you? Hey. Hey, hey. Quit.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Get him out. I'm trying to bring you out. Quit. Watch his head. Watch his head. Hey, quit clinging yourself around, OK? I'm trying to get you out of here. All right?
Starting point is 00:08:26 Go ahead. One more. Careful. Careful. One step at a time. One step at a time. Hey, go around. Go around. OK. OK. I got it. You got it?
Starting point is 00:08:33 . . . . . . . .
Starting point is 00:08:39 . . . . . ..... Get up. What's going on? What's going on, baby? What's up, baby? You OK?
Starting point is 00:08:50 I'm OK. I'm OK. Come on. What's up? 10-4. You got a. Come on, man. Stand up.
Starting point is 00:09:00 All right, come on. Thank you. Oh, God. 50? All right, come on. 50? All right. We're really turning it our way. We're really turning it our way. Close the point.
Starting point is 00:09:11 Close the point. Yeah, yeah, we'll get it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Yeah. You're definitely under the influence of something. Yeah, please, man. Oh, shit. Oh. Oh, you ready definitely under the influence of something. man oh please oh please please your pocket you out there there
Starting point is 00:09:52 ok man let me go man stop ok man stop listen just look forward and stop flailing around ok you know what? Hey, listen, listen. Please.
Starting point is 00:10:06 Hey, listen. Please. We're not going to hurt you. We're just trying to search you. All right, bring him in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're good. We're good.
Starting point is 00:10:14 Please, man. Please let me ride. Oh, use your legs. Cut out. Use your legs. Stand up. Stand up, sir. Stand up. Stand up, sir. Stand up.
Starting point is 00:10:55 I seen you moving around in hell's own shit. I can't even get myself out. You got me. I can't even get out. I tased you? Yes, what? Yeah. I'm like, fuck. Shit. Right Oh, shit. Right here, man.
Starting point is 00:11:06 Is the seatbelt on? Ah! Almost, almost, almost. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Starting point is 00:11:14 Ah! Ah! So he's 95? Yeah. Who lost the turn again? 34, third one. He's 95. That's me.
Starting point is 00:11:22 All right. Woo! Fourth, third one, he's 95. That's me. All right. All right. Well, I certainly have lots of questions regarding this video. When we come back, we're going to talk with one of his attorneys, Rossi Williams, about this lawsuit and what we just witnessed. Folks, we'll talk to her when we come back on Roland Martin Unfiltered, the Black Star Network. Don't forget, download the Black Star Network app, Apple phone,
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Starting point is 00:15:13 Zelle is Roland at RolandSMartin.com. Hi, I'm Vivian Green. Hey, everybody, this is your man Fred Hammond, and you're watching Roland Martin, my man, unfiltered. All right, folks, let's talk about that video. We just saw a black man is suing the city of Killeen, Texas Police Department, plus three officers for being tased while he was in an ambulance. Rossi Williams is one of his attorneys. And I'm glad to have her on the show. Rossi, I want to start with, so this is where I'm
Starting point is 00:15:53 confused. And so folks, do me a favor. I need you to play the video again, because this is where I am absolutely confused. And I want you to play it from the beginning, and then I'm going to fast forward it, fast forward it. Now, go ahead and play right now. So, play it because I need to understand. So, your client is in the ambulance right now. Yes. Stop. Stop the video.
Starting point is 00:16:18 Stop the video. Now, he is being attended to by paramedics, correct? Yes. All right, play the video, folks. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no.
Starting point is 00:16:46 Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multibillion- dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1,
Starting point is 00:17:21 Taser Incorporated, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lott.
Starting point is 00:17:41 And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. I'm Greg Glod. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
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Starting point is 00:18:34 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Here's the deal. We got to set ourselves up. See, retirement is the long game. We got to make moves and make them early. Set up goals.
Starting point is 00:19:03 Don't worry about a setback. Just save up and stack up to reach them let's put ourselves in the right position pre-game to greater things start building your retirement plan at this is pre-tirement.org brought to you by aarp and the ad council now stop Now, stop. I'm trying to understand. If he's being attended to by paramedics, why is he being stunned with the taser? Did the paramedics call for cops? Did they say that he was being unruly, that he would not sit still on the gurney? No, that's not the case at all. In this situation, Burger King employee witnessed Mr. McCollum experiencing a seizure in the drive-thru. Mr. McCollum pulled up, made his order at the Burger King window. He was clearly coherent to make the order, and then he experienced a seizure. So as you can see in the footage when you first showed it, when the police and the first responders arrived, in response to the employee's call for medical assistance for a man experiencing a seizure,
Starting point is 00:20:21 Truman was literally still unconscious because he'd suffered such a severe seizure. As a matter of fact, it's not even in dispute as to whether or not he was unconscious or incoherent because even the officers themselves throughout the body cam and later in their statements made the statement that Truman was incoherent. He was unresponsive at that time to command or stimuli. Those are their exact words. And so there was no reason for the city of Killeen Police Department to have tased him, to have done anything to him. The first responders were there
Starting point is 00:21:06 and they'd taken him into the ambulance to receive the necessary treatment. That's why I just, again, okay, so they get a call, a medical emergency. Yes. Cops show up. Ambulance shows up. Yes. He has a seizure. What the hell is the rationale for tasing somebody who has had a medical emergency and he's literally in the ambulance on the gurney being attended to by paramedics. There is none, Mr. Martin, and I do want to make sure I say it's such a privilege to be here with you on your show. I did not have that opportunity to say that, but I definitely believe in giving
Starting point is 00:22:02 honor where honor is due. So there was no reason for them to do so. As a matter say that, but I definitely believe in giving honor where honor is due. So there was no reason for them to do so. As a matter of fact, what I'd like for everyone who's watching or listening to do is to imagine that at the very moment right now, you are doing exactly what you are doing, and you are in your right mind, and you know what you are doing. Then you experience a seizure
Starting point is 00:22:28 which renders you unconscious. This means that the last thing you recall is whatever you are doing right now. Then you gradually begin to awaken out of the seizure. But when you awaken, and you're not even fully in your right mind yet, you are not in the place where you were right now when I asked you to imagine that you experienced the seizure. So for Mr. McCollum, the last place he knew himself to be was sitting behind the wheel of his car in the drive-thru lane of a Burger King in Killeen, Texas. But when he began to gradually awaken, not still yet coherent, not still yet in his right mind. What he awakened to was being strapped down inside of a container, because remember, he's on the gurney looking upward, with police,
Starting point is 00:23:34 first responders, people surrounding him, and he doesn't know what happened. And as you go through the footage, one thing you will notice is that not one of them told him initially why he was there. So he is still utterly confused. And someone's saying, turn over. He's six feet three inside that small place. He's trying to turn over, but he still doesn't know these are police. He still doesn't know what happened. He's trying to turn over,
Starting point is 00:24:08 and that's when they start tasing him. They don't feel he's turning over fast enough. They don't feel he's following their commands, even though by their own admission, he's incoherent. He doesn't even know what's going on. And they tase him. And then again, they tase him. That's not enough for them. They tase him, Mr. Martin. And then again, they tase him. You can see at one point he's fallen off of the stretcher. He's on the floor of the ambulance, screaming, pleading,
Starting point is 00:24:49 still not even knowing what's going on. Hence the bewildered look in his eyes, and they tase him again. At one point, Officer Urena even readies his taser to deploy again, and they tase him again. And his back and all different parts of his body, they are tasing him. So if I am, if I have
Starting point is 00:25:10 a seizure and I'm unconscious, then all of a sudden I'm coming to my natural reaction is like, what in the hell is going on? Because, again, I mean I've, in my life, I've blacked out twice. I've blacked out twice.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Last time I was a child, playing football in the front yard, heads collided and being knocked unconscious. I can only imagine if I come to consciousness and I come to conscious, I'm coming back by virtue of a damn taser, I'm probably going to be swinging And all of that I'm still just trying to understand The logic
Starting point is 00:25:50 Of somebody being unconscious In an ambulance In a gurney And they decided We need to tase them to wake them up I'm still And not only that If you roll that video Why aren't the paramedics saying get the hell out of our ambulance?
Starting point is 00:26:13 We are trying to deal with this man. You see, that's this is what I'm thinking. Again, I don't know what their protocols are. I'm thinking that when you are in an ambulance being attended to, the paramedics, they have custody and control. For cops to say, oh, we're just going to enter the ambulance and do what we want, to me, that has to be a violation of some fire department regulations. And I would say to you the reason that they're not saying anything, I think are multiple. Number one, they're not rolling margin unfiltered. Wherein you would speak the truth as you have just done
Starting point is 00:26:57 and done on so many issues. This is not what happens when in that camaraderie of the thin blue line of police, firefighters, first responders, people are generally not going to speak up. It's no doubt they see this. And I must say, you may see me closing my eyes or even having to control my breathing as I watch because I stand in a righteous anger about what happened here. And I don't apologize for that, nor will I take down. And so they definitely could have said to the police, you need to leave. This man is not fighting anyone. He's not doing anything.
Starting point is 00:27:40 He's just coming out of a seizure. He's not even totally coherent. And if there was a need, if there was a need to have calmed him, the paramedics have the ability to do that. They have medications. They have access to call in to emergency physicians. In addition to being an attorney, I'm a registered nurse as well. So there were so many ways besides this to have handled this situation. It certainly makes no sense whatsoever. You filed a lawsuit. We certainly keep us abreast of what is next, Rossi Williams. Thank you so much. All right, folks. Thanks a lot. Folks, hold tight one second. We'll come back. We'll talk to our panel about this story, Thank you so much. the Outstanding News special for the Image Award. It's vote.naacpimageawards.net. Scroll down to the Outstanding News category, then select Roland Martin Unfiltered Black Votes Matter Election
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Starting point is 00:30:17 From politics to music and entertainment, it's a huge part of our lives. And we're going to talk about it every day, right here on The Culture with me, Faraji Muhammad, only on the Black Star Network. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes, but there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution.
Starting point is 00:30:50 But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1, Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad. It's really, really, really bad. Listen to new episodes of Absolute Season 1,
Starting point is 00:31:22 Taser Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st, and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Glod. And this is Season 2 of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes sir, we are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives.
Starting point is 00:31:55 This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug man. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote.
Starting point is 00:32:18 Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working and we need to change things. Stories matter and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app,
Starting point is 00:32:34 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. them early. Set up goals. Don't worry about a setback. Just save up and stack up to reach them. Let's put ourselves in the right position. Pre-game to greater things. Start building your retirement plan at thisispretirement.org. Brought to you by AARP and the Ad Council. Next on The Black Table with me, Greg Carr. An hour of living history with Dr. Richard Mariba Kelsey, thinker, builder, author, and one of the most important and impactful elders in the African-American community. He reflects on his full and rich life and shares his incomparable wisdom about our past, present, and future. African genius is saying that my uncle was a genius, my brother was a genius, my neighbor was a genius.
Starting point is 00:33:51 I think we ought to drill that in ourselves and move ahead rather than believing that I got it. That's next on The Black Table, here on the Black Star Network. Carl Payne pretended to be Roland Martin. Holla! Hi, I'm Chaley Rose, and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. All right, let's welcome our Friday panel.
Starting point is 00:34:18 Killer Friday panel, Kelly Bethea, communications strategist, Michael Imhotep, host of the African History Network show, Matt Manning, civil rights attorney. Matt, you're one of the attorneys on this case. And again, I'm just completely at a loss to understand the logic, the logic of a phone call being made, them saying the man is unconscious, it's a medical emergency,
Starting point is 00:34:48 cops come, paramedics come, the man gets put into an ambulance. If y'all go back, roll a video from the beginning. Not them walking. No, from the beginning. No. So roll it to the video when he's actually in the car. Because first of all, Matt, what happened was, do we have video of him initially being taken out of the car and then put into the ambulance? So is this the video here? Is this the beginning? Okay.
Starting point is 00:35:18 So this is them arriving on the scene. You see the body camera footage. You see the ambulance there. And what? Is he still in the vehicle? All right, so we're going to the video here. Pull the sound up, please. Is that the truck involved? Yeah, that's the truck that got hit.
Starting point is 00:35:33 I told him to stay and see what got hit. So the Burger King workers tell him there's a medical emergency. What happened? First of all, I'm sure I'm showing you that. I got my weapon. Okay, I appreciate it. It could have been somebody, you know, crazy stuff. So that's not the client?
Starting point is 00:35:57 No. That's the car that he hit, okay? So he hit a car, okay? All right, guys, fast forward, please. I need you to fast forward to when they go to McCollum's car, please. All right, so fast forward to when they go to McCollum's car. And I just want to see. Come on, guys, fast forward. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:36:22 All right, so here we go. They are approaching his car. I saw him just, like, drive off. And so we see him in the car. If he looks up, let's see. So we see that he airbags are deployed. You see he's not moving in the car. So you can tell the man's unconscious.
Starting point is 00:36:52 Head is back. So put us in. Keep the video. I'm going to talk to Matt. So Matt, pull the audio down, please. I can talk to Matt. So Matt, this was crazy. He's clearly unconscious.
Starting point is 00:37:06 So if they take him out of the car and put him in the ambulance, what is the logic to just all of a sudden say, let's go tase him? There's no logic whatsoever. And I think you hit the nail on the head earlier. You know, this is a situation where the paramedics are in charge, right? Because they're administering medical care per the calls that they got, all of which were.
Starting point is 00:37:33 So right now we literally see them lifting him out of the car, placing him on the gurney, strapping him in, and then, guys, let it keep rolling because, and I want to see, I'm about to hit the stopwatch because I just want to look at time. So stopwatch is on. So I want to see time that expires from when they go from here to, so he's sitting up. I can't tell if he's conscious or not. No, he looked like he's still unconscious. Yeah, he is at this point. And, you know, the thing that's especially strange with this, Roland,
Starting point is 00:38:19 is that not only were the paramedics treating him, but anyone who has basic understanding of what happens after you experience a seizure understands that there's a period of time during which the person is kind of reconstituting themselves, right, getting their bearings. So to tase him at this juncture makes literally no sense, particularly because it's obvious that he's out of it. He's unconscious. And you keep asking what the logic is. There is no logic here. What this is is trigger-happy cops, frankly. I mean, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:38:52 I mean, Kelly, watching this, I mean, it goes to show you what African-Americans have to deal with. I mean, this is a very clear and undeniable medical emergency. And to go from a medical emergency to somehow this guy is a massive threat, so therefore they have to stun him, is unbelievable. You're absolutely right.
Starting point is 00:39:24 I pause because it is so angering to me to see yet another video like this. We have seen so many. I've been on your show for almost four years now. And it's at least once a month that we see a video where a Black person is being pretty much terrorized and or tortured by cops who do not understand that not only Black lives matter, but Black people are human, period. There is no reason why you see an unconscious black man and still see him as a threat to your profession and to your life, such that you need to tase him while he's not doing anything to you because he literally cannot do anything.
Starting point is 00:40:02 Who is, and Matt can probably talk about this, but did the tase, he was tased six times from what you just said. Did that not worsen his condition? Who's to say what the lasting effects of this will be? Why would you tase somebody who already went through a seizure, who is still, technically speaking, going through the seizure until he is medically diagnosed as being out of it. I want to know whether the EMTs have been implicated in this at all, because I feel like they did not take into consideration their patient when they let these cops in into the ambulance and how they just didn't have regard for his life, even though that's their job, too. Guys, I don't know why.
Starting point is 00:40:50 It's all just absolutely absurd. Why are we playing the video again? OK, what I was trying to do is I want to see how long, folks, it was for him being taken out and then him and then the next video of them going into the ambulance. And so was this not one continuous video? OK, buddy. So what? They went back to the guys truck got his information. OK.
Starting point is 00:41:17 All right. So I need what I need y'all to do is mark the video where they took him out. Mark that video. Fast forward to when they actually, and then tell me how much time elapsed. No, no, no, no. Listen to me again. Go back to the point where they took him out of the car.
Starting point is 00:41:37 Look at the timer and tell me what that time was. Fast forward to when they get into the ambulance and then subtract. That tells you how much time it was. Then tell me what that time was. All right, Michael. Again, we see these cases. We see these things happen. Folk always like it. Like I did some conservative show the other day.
Starting point is 00:41:58 They're like, oh, you guys are always being victims because we get victimized. Fact of the matter is, I just, again, again, I just don't understand if you're unconscious, how are you a threat? Right, right. I'm, you know, black while being unconscious, I guess. I don't know. I'm reading this story. I saw the interview with the attorney, brilliant sister.
Starting point is 00:42:29 I'm listening to Matt, and I'm trying to figure out something. So I think, Matt, the article from kdhnews.com, I think they was you, Matt, that mentioned that the police officers were trying, at least a couple of the police officers, were trying to make up a charge after they already tased Mr. McCollum multiple times. We have that. I wanted more information about that, Matt. And then also, I was trying to figure out at what point did they first start tasing him? And have you gotten any explanation from the police department or anything like that behind this? No, Michael, great questions, and I'll answer all of them. The first thing I'll tell you is, ironically, I got the city's motion to dismiss as I was waiting for the show today.
Starting point is 00:43:20 So they just finally filed into the case, Yeah, literally probably half an hour ago, because, you know, they probably know that we're preparing to do further media there in Killeen on Monday. But the first question that you asked, Michael, is that's actually one of the worst parts of this case. And it comes near the end of the video. But near the end of the video, the sergeant who comes on is actually a black woman. And she's talking to two of the officers who are involved. And she says almost verbatim, what do we have him on now that he's gone? Once he's left the scene, what do we have him on? Because we got called out here for a medical charge, right? So what do we have him on? So then the officers start talking for probably three minutes plus about what they're going to charge them with. And they're trying to determine, should we charge him with resisting arrest?
Starting point is 00:44:06 Should we charge him with, you know, another offense, DWI? And one of the officers who's been sued as well says you can't charge him for resisting because you can't say that he was coherent enough to recognize you were the police. So they themselves recognized he wasn't coherent. And that's in the video. That's not us reaching out And that's in the video. That's not us reaching out. That's in the video. So on the video, you hear them discussing this.
Starting point is 00:44:29 But here's the other deal. You haven't determined what happened to him. Right. So, again, if you're the cops, because this actually happened. This was probably like, this was three years ago. I'm in D.C. And I'm on the freeway. And there, this was probably like, this was three years ago. I'm in DC and I'm on, I'm on the freeway and there's this guy and he is driving on, he's weaving in traffic. It's all traffic. And he is driving along the, um, along, along the, uh, uh, the, um, uh, the media. And what
Starting point is 00:45:01 happened was he literally starts ramming into other cars and he's scraping like 10, 20 cars. I'm like, what the hell is going on? What happened the next day? The next day I see on the news, there was a medical emergency. I think he was either suffering a heart attack, a stroke, or same thing, a seizure. And this guy was driving. And so I went, oh, that explains what I actually saw. So if you're a cop and you arrive there, you haven't run a breathalyzer. She can't say he was drunk. You haven't, you don't have any toxicology report. You can't say he was high. The man is unconscious. So you probably got to wait till the paramedics ascertain, first of all, stabilize him.
Starting point is 00:45:50 First of all, let's get him awake, stabilize him, run tests to then understand what was going on, and that will determine what the... It was like they were like, yo, can we find a reason to tag his ass? They were. And if I can add a few things that are particularly important for your analysis, Roland, a couple of things. So they're telling me it was three minutes and 30 seconds from him being taken out of the ambulance to the point where they started tasing him. Three and a half minutes.
Starting point is 00:46:28 So the paramedics only had three and a half minutes with this guy, and he's still unconscious. Go ahead. And what you see is you see the first officer, Urena, who was doing the actual tasing. You see him enter the ambulance, but you don't see my client in any way being combative, attacking anybody, doing anything that would just—
Starting point is 00:46:46 Guys, roll a video back. Roll a video back. They see him enter. Go ahead, Matt. You don't see anything at all that justifies any use of force, let alone something as high on the spectrum of force as a TASEN, number one. But beyond that, they did, in fact, charge him with criminal offenses, and they, you know, didn't do that right. I'm going to handle his criminal defense. And, you know, that's going to be voracious because they didn't do their job correctly under Texas law. So here, right here, Matt, hit play, guys. This is the cops. Turn the audio up, please.
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Starting point is 00:47:34 All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All're down with a pair of minutes. We're yelling for the cops. Hey, hey, we need your help. No, no, no, I have not yet. My understanding is the officer who is on the other side of the taser, the one with the baseball cap called Urena to come and try to help subdue him. But what you don't ever see and what you never hear is any indication whatsoever that he was hurting anyone combative, aggressive in any way. So it's almost like they are trying to require him to receive medical treatment. And obviously,
Starting point is 00:48:10 as you know, I mean, he's able of his own volition to refuse medical treatment. But beyond that, they are not able to use force where force is not justified, any kind of force, let alone, you know, less lethal force like a taser. But not only did they tase him in the ambulance, Roland, they also tased him in the car. So as you see, the lawsuit alleges all of the times you can clearly see the taser. But it's my understanding he was tased even more times. And without saying too much, there are objective third parties who received him and made contact with him after this ordeal who were irate, not only to the extent of they thought that this is the kind of thing that the city of Killeen does all the time, but also that what happened to him objectively is just indefensible and without any kind of justification.
Starting point is 00:48:56 So I think what you should really show is the end of the video so you can see the police trying to get together to come up with a charge. And now he's facing a misdemeanor criminal charge when he had a medical issue. And by the way, during the time that the police are trying to figure out what's going on, the Burger King people are the people who called 911 to begin with. But one of the managers comes out and shows one of the officers the actual video where they saw him have the seizure. And he says almost verbatim, see, you can see him twitching in the car. You know, he had a seizure. So the police had no cause that anything criminal happened. And they nonetheless treated him in such a dehumanizing
Starting point is 00:49:36 way. Absolutely stunning. All right, folks, hold tight one second. We come back. We're going to talk about Prairie View A&M University. Dr. Ruth Simmons, one of the top university professors, excuse me, university presidents in America, announces she is leaving at the end of the month in a dispute with the Texas A&M Chancellor, John Sharp. Wait until we read for you her letter that she sent out. We'll also talk with the head of the Black Caucus in Texas about this as well. You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered right here on the Black Star Network. Hi, I'm Dr. Jackie Hood Martin, and I have a question for you. Ever feel as if your life is teetering and the weight and pressure of the world is consistently on your shoulders?
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Starting point is 00:55:17 Today, I got this letter that was made public from Dr. Ruth Simmons. She is the president of Prairie View A&M University, one of the most esteemed university presidents in America. She was the president, of course, of two Ivy League colleges. She took over Prairie View, surprising many folks, and she really, really brought a lot there. The amount of resources, the level of professionalism. I mean, you name it, everyone from students, faculty, staff, alumni talked about the amazing job that she has done. One of the things that Dr. Simmons talked about that she wanted and she spoke at the HBCU conference where she wanted, she expressed how she wanted HBCUs to properly make the transition from one president to the next in terms of how you leave and how you actually provide for a university. And so she announced last year that she was stepping down.
Starting point is 00:56:18 And I remember when she did so. And even the initial announcement, I was like, something is not quite right here. In terms of the announcement, I said, I wonder if she's really leaving because she wants to leave. But so that was the case. And so she laid out the timetable for how she was going to leave. The Texas A&M University system, the Board of Regents, announced a new president. She was going to be leaving at the end of May. Well, today she released a letter saying that she would be leaving at the end of February.
Starting point is 00:56:52 Pull up the graphic, please. And I want you to listen to what Dr. Simmons says. She said, to the Prairie View A&M University community, it is with great sadness that I write to inform you that I will leave my position as president of Prairie View A&M University at the end of February. No one is more surprised than I by this premature end to my tenure. Indeed, I had counted on working assiduously to assure the success of my successor by completing in full and as ably as I can my responsibilities as president. However, I was informed recently that I could only continue as
Starting point is 00:57:26 president with limited presidential authority. My immediate response was that I could not and would not agree to being president in name only. No enduring good can arise from subservice to low standards and expectations. Having been through two previous presidential transitions at leading institutions, I'm aware of how such an important moment in the life of a university must be conducted with utmost attention to continuing the work unfailingly and with the highest standards. When I agreed almost six years ago to become president of Prairie View, I promised that I would be all in from the moment I commenced my role until the moment I stepped down. I believe that promise to be inviolable.
Starting point is 00:58:10 I cannot now become a leader accepting lowered expectations. I will continue to speak out for high standards and just decisions on behalf of the university and other HBCUs. I will support the efforts of faculty, staff, and students who seek the best for themselves and their university. We must not be held hostage to how others choose to see us or treat us, but instead continue to chart our own path, demonstrating the pride, commitment,
Starting point is 00:58:40 and integrity that defines us. I now say to you all what I've said to graduating students in years past. Work hard to achieve at the highest level. Be strong in your convictions. Insist on being treated with the fairness you deserve. And continue always to seek justice. With immense gratitude for your support and friendship, Ruth J. Simmons.
Starting point is 00:59:01 Now, John Sharp, who is the chancellor of the Texas A&M University System, he released his own statement in response to her letter. Please pull that up. This is what he said. He said when presidents in the Texas A&M University system announce they are leaving, they cannot hire senior staff or deans except on an interim basis so that the new president can choose the leadership team he or she will be working with during their term. This decade-long policy applies to all of our presidents. It should be noted that we afforded the same courtesy to Dr. Simmons when George Wright announced his retirement as president of Prairie View A&M University. We simply believe new presidents should be able to choose their top staff. As an example, Mike Young announced his retirement over a year before he left Texas A&M University,
Starting point is 00:59:49 and he could not hire a dean or top staff except on an interim basis. That allowed the new president, Kathy Banks, to fill those slots. I informed Dr. Simmons that we will not make exceptions to this policy, and she chose to resign. I am sorry she chose this path, but I am forever grateful for her service at Prairie View A&M University and look forward to even greater things in the future. Dr. Tamika LeGrand will assume her duties as president on June 1st, as previously planned. That is Chancellor John Sharp. Joining us right now is Representative Jarvis Johnson. He, of course, leads the
Starting point is 01:00:25 Texas Black Caucus there. Representative Johnson, glad to have you. So Dr. Ruth Simmons is no joke. This is not a woman who suffers lapses of judgment, if you will. This is a woman who served as the president of Brown University, Ivy League University, for 11 years. She also later became the president of Smith College, called one of the Seven Sisters, the largest women's college in the United States. And so she is one of the top leaders. Are you, is John Sharp trying to convince me that she's saying,
Starting point is 01:01:12 I need to do what my predecessor couldn't do, what other presidents couldn't do? Is there something else going on here? Well, of course. This is all whistling for what they always do. They have the greatest president and by the way, thank you, Roland, for always doing what you're doing. I want to make something clear. I'm on the executive board of the Texas Legislative Black Caucus as the
Starting point is 01:01:34 treasurer, so I want to make sure that I'm clear about that. But you're the former chair, so gotcha, I gotcha. Okay, go ahead. But when you look at what Dr. Simmons has been to not only Prairie View A&M, but to universities across this country, she's done a phenomenal job. And when you have someone with this pedigree and with this background, you let her go out on her own terms.
Starting point is 01:01:58 And the fact that even today, this is not a day that has, or a moment or time that has passed her by. She is still viable. She is still bringing tens of millions of dollars to the university. She is still raising the academic standards at Prairie View to be told, hey, thank you for your time. Move on. While all the while she has said she wanted to make sure that the next president that comes in, that there is a smooth transition so that they understand that they don't lose the progress that was made. See, I'm not. I guess this is what. And again, look, I know John Sharp. I'm a Texas A&M graduate.
Starting point is 01:02:36 I called him. He called me back. I sent word from some other people for him to call me because I need to understand this. I simply cannot believe that Dr. Ruth Simmons would say, oh, I need to do what my predecessor couldn't do. I need to do what other university folks couldn't do. I'm not buying that. I just, I mean, again, if knowing who she is, and look, I was just with her in November. November 14th was my birthday. I flew to Houston. She had a dinner in honor of Chris Tucker, and it was a great dinner. And sitting there at her table, listening to her talk about the vision, how she conducted herself.
Starting point is 01:03:26 This is not a woman who is just going to pop off and just fire off. No, this is someone who carries herself with a high degree of dignity. I'm just not believing, oh, she wanted just to hire deans and hire top staff knowing full well a new president was coming in when the same thing happened with her I'm gonna go to break I want you to answer on the flip side so I and again I've been calling around we tried to get uh some preview and alumni association on I've been told by many people this was a talk of the Prairie View alumni chat rooms all day, but something just, my gut is saying something else is at play here and not what Sharp said there. And so I want to come back and talk about that when we come back. Again,
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Starting point is 01:07:17 I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time. Have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future where the answer will always be no. Across the country, cops called this taser the revolution. But not everyone was convinced it was that simple. Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley
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Starting point is 01:08:27 I'm Greg Glod. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner.
Starting point is 01:08:42 It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug ban is. Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Cor vet.
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Starting point is 01:10:47 First of all, she's a native of Texas, graduate of Dillard University, got her master's and doctorate from Harvard University. Assistant professor at the University of New Orleans. She worked at California State University, Northridge, then went on to USC, University of Southern California, then went to Princeton University as assistant dean of faculty, then associate dean of faculty. She was provost of Spelman College.
Starting point is 01:11:11 She went back to Princeton as vice provost. She became president of Smith College and led the university for six years from 1995 to 2001. Then she became the president and the first African-American woman to lead an Ivy League school when she took over Brown University, serving there again for 11 years. Led a $1.4 billion initiative, the largest in the university's history. Again, served on the board of Goldman Sachs folks. Then, of course, she then then she decides to come out of retirement and was invited to lead Prairie View A&M. And again, she took over as the interim president in July on July 1st, 2017, and became the president. And she her goal was to raise this HBCU to be not one of the top HBCUs, one of the top countries.
Starting point is 01:12:16 That Representative Johnson is is what is bothersome because she talked about the proper transition from leader to leader. And she laid out how it should be done. Clearly, the Texas A&M chancellor had a different idea. It ain't bothersome. You know, you know better than I do, just like we see it all the time. This is that black magic that Dr. Simmons has put in place, that they didn't think this woman, who does have the pedigree, would come out of retirement and then do the miraculous, wonderful thing that she did at the university. And then when she says, look, I'm gonna go ahead
Starting point is 01:12:56 and step down, and by the way, I've had a multitude of conversations with Dr. Simmons over the years as we talked about getting more money for the university, as we talked about increasing research dollars, so forth and so on, because all member appropriations and Article III that deals with education. And so she did such a wonderful job that it seems like people got intimidated. They got intimidated by the very nature of what they always tell us to do. Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.
Starting point is 01:13:26 And so here it is that this Houston woman, this hometown woman, came back home, then went to Prairie View and did a phenomenal job. And then they said, well, wait a minute, wait a minute. We didn't expect you to start competing with A&M. We didn't think you would start competing against the big universities. We just wanted you to stay in your lane. And so through that transition to move from president to emeritus, but to make sure that the transition is easy for the new president to keep the progress, they said, no, we don't want that. We don't want that. You just need to go ahead and leave and leave it up for the new president to handle her business and do it as she sees fit. I think that's disingenuous, and I think it was done purposely because I don't think that they like the success that Prairie View is having.
Starting point is 01:14:19 And so we have to look at that because when you look at how the university system is, how board members are chosen, and even those board members are then choosing presidents, they want to choose presidents based on what they think is going to be best suited for their narrative and what they want. Dr. Simmons pushed the envelope. She pushed the envelope when it came to critical race theory. She pushed the envelope in letting students speak their mind and do the research that was necessary. That upset a lot of people that didn't want her to do that. But Dr. Simmons said over and over again to me, I'm comfortable where I am. I've had a great career and there's nothing that you could do to harm me. But at the end of the day,
Starting point is 01:15:05 they do want to make sure that they're destroying her legacy by simply telling her leave. And I think that in itself is very hurtful, very disrespectful for a woman like Dr. Simmons, who has done a phenomenal job at Prairie View and giving all HBCUs a great day. Indeed. Representative Johnson, we really appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you, my brother. Sir. Michael, I'll go to you.
Starting point is 01:15:30 The thing here, first of all, folks, like I said, this is a photo of me with Dr. Simmons as well as Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner. This is from November 14th when she had the dinner in Houston for comedian Chris Tucker. And she, again, I'm just, I just don't understand. If they said, Dr. Simmons, you can't hire deans and top staff because you're leaving in June. That's what happened with your predecessor. This was happening with every university president.
Starting point is 01:16:05 I don't see that the Simmons saying, oh, that's unacceptable. That's why I'm like, this is not, again, I've covered a lot of stories. If you go back, guys, pull her letter up again. You read this, come on, pull her letter up. Come on. Come on, let's go.
Starting point is 01:16:29 You read her letter. When she says, now go to the next page. When she says, no enduring good can arise from subservice to low standards and expectations. She then goes on to talk about previous administrations and then says, I promised that I would be all in from the moment I commenced my role until the moment I stepped down. I believe that promise to be inviolable.
Starting point is 01:17:03 Go to the next page she then says Says we must not be held hostage To how others choose to see us or treat us but instead continue to chart our own path demonstrating the pride commitment and integrity that defines us Michael that She's saying a whole lot there. A whole lot there. It sounds like they're handcuffs on her. It sounds like things that she wants to accomplish or something. And you mentioned in the interview, you mentioned a fear or something like that when the HBCU tries to compete with a predominantly white institution. Is that what you said?
Starting point is 01:17:54 No, no, no, no, no. Representative Johnson made that comment in terms of, because obviously Texas A&M is one of the flagship institutions in the state. Her whole deal is Prairie View, long history, should also be a major institution. It's under the Texas A&M University system, though, unlike Texas Southern University, which the other HBCU, which is a standalone, they're under no one system. Go ahead. So when she talks about substandard and— She says subservice. under no one system. Go ahead. So when she talks about substandard and she says sub service,
Starting point is 01:18:26 so sub service. And then it sounds like she's saying that because of the structure or the restrictions that are being put on her, she can't fulfill the promises that she made of being able to take Prairie View to the next level. And I know that sometimes when you have an HBCU that can become a rival to taking students away from a predominantly white institution in the same state, that can ruffle a lot of feathers. And sometimes those feathers are on the board of directors of that very of that very hbcu because because all all scam folk are not our kinfolk so um hopefully we'll find out what this is really all about but it seems like she was uh uh trying to send us some messages oh no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no, no, no, Mike. No, no, no, no, Mike. She wasn't trying, Kelly.
Starting point is 01:19:25 I read that letter. She wasn't trying. No, I thought you were going to say something else. But no, I was just like, ooh, this is a kind of letter where it's like, if you're going to go out, this is definitely like the framework or the blueprint for whoever's coming in next to have a glimpse as to what she had to endure. But what I wanted to point out beyond the... the very thinly veiled racism that is,
Starting point is 01:19:57 we don't want Prairie View to be better than anything else that is white in Texas. Um, like you said in your entire presentation of her, this is a very accomplished black woman. And I could not help but think of the many incredibly accomplished black women that I have seen endure something similar in that you are invited in by white leadership you are praised for what you have done in the past and they're so excited about it and then basically the end result being
Starting point is 01:20:36 we don't like you anymore you're doing too much you gotta go and it immediately made me think of this chart that i saw at least a year or so ago, basically the pathway for women of color in the white workplace where it's, you know, the honeymoon phase and then the reality where the black woman actually sees what's wrong with the organization. And she tries to, you know, come up with solutions within the structure that she's been given and things like that. But at the end of the day, they don't want all that. At the end of the day, she was really just tokenized and wanted on a pedestal. Matt, again, if people were at that dinner and if they saw how she spoke and how she carried herself this is a woman who is accustomed to being in rarefied air who is accustomed to being among the elite of the elite she don't play no and i'll say the only better breakup record is Frankie Beverly and Mays before I let go. But look, that line, no enduring good, is beautiful because it shows you first the colonialism,
Starting point is 01:21:51 essentially, in academia that still exists when an HBCU is, to use her words, subservient to a larger university. I mean, the idea that a president is there but ultimately cannot be fully in charge of the entity is the real problem. Because even if what Sharpe is saying is true, the question becomes, why is the president divested of her ability to, until she's gone, choose whom she thinks is best to lead the university forward? But also, to your point, I mean, she has been an administrator at some of the best institutions in the country. So I cannot imagine this as one dimensional and an issue as she wanted to hire people as she was on her way out. It doesn't even make sense that it would be that simple. It's more kind of to what Kelly and Michael said, the idea that, you know, here she is exceeding expectations. And to that point, we had a story
Starting point is 01:22:40 on your show maybe six months ago about FAM and how fam you was getting grief from i guess the state of florida system or whatever systems on top for too many students coming in so they had a financial issue there kind of to michael's point the idea that that was uh that was uh yeah tennessee state i thought it was fam you that we discussed it in the context but maybe maybe you're yeah that but no i'm sorry i'm sorry no i'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. North Carolina A&T got fined because they had more students, more students came in over the state cap. Go ahead. Correct. I'm sorry. I said the wrong university. But the principle is still the idea that the system is not happy with the idea that the HBCU is punching way out of its weight class and not staying in its place. And, you know, the idea, if you read her letter, what she said pretty clearly is I will not remain somewhere where we're subservient to low standards, but also where I cannot be the president the way I told you I
Starting point is 01:23:34 would be president until I left. So the idea that she's divested of her ability to choose really calls into question why that structure still exists in a system this way and whether the same structure is being, you know, enforced as it relates to those who are leading PWIs. Pull up her letter again real quick. Go to the next page. Okay, got it. Okay, first of all, folk, I need y'all to properly read the letter because you made a mistake in her letter. She did not say subservience. Thank you for getting text message. Go to my iPad, please. She said subservience. So that was a screw up on our part. Please don't do that again, folks.
Starting point is 01:24:20 Quote it right. Subservience is what she said. And subservience, folks, is defined as willingness to obey others unquestioningly or the condition of being less important than something else. So what she actually wrote was no enduring good can arise from subservience to low standards and expectations. So yeah, she was saying a whole lot in that letter. I got to go to a break. We'll be right back. And again, we reached out to Chancellor John Sharp to come on. He has not called me back.
Starting point is 01:24:54 We did call Prairie View A&M University. Dr. Simmons was not doing any interviews. We also reached out to the Prairie View A&M Alumni Association, and they made no one available as well. So hopefully we'll get more information to figure out really what's happening there at PV. You're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Black Star Network is here. Oh, no punch.
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Starting point is 01:30:00 of these charges. A Vial Platt City Councilwoman, Christina Sam, went to the DA office of Trent Bricknack in November to report being harassed by the relative of her political opponent. She was then called back to the DA's office on November 17th, thinking she's going to be questioned about her complaint. Instead, she was interrogated for more than four hours and falsely accused, she says, of registering voters in her district and did not live within the district. She says she was told the only way she could get out of jail that day was by accepting a guilty plea. So she initially took a plea bargain to voter fraud. At this point, Sam has
Starting point is 01:30:34 not been indicted on any charges. Sam was indicted last week after her attorney tried to get the DA recused from the case. This is the same DA who was investigated in 2016 by the DOJ. Rochelle Jones represents Councilwoman Sam. She joins me now from Lafayette, Louisiana. Rochelle, how are you? Roland, thank you for having me. All right. So, okay.
Starting point is 01:30:56 So she goes to the DA to report to somebody else. Then they call her back three days later, interrogates her, and then nothing happens. That's correct, Roland. Nothing happens. And she's called two days later to return to the DA's office. And she was under the belief that she had to go and provide information about the complaint she made. Instead, when she arrived to the DA's office, she was locked in a room for more than four hours with the district attorney, Trent Brignac, and his office investigator and interrogated. She was not allowed to leave, and she was told unless she pled guilty to the crime that day and resigned her seat from the city council, she would be arrested and sent to jail. So that's what happened for more than four hours. My client describes her experience with the
Starting point is 01:31:52 district attorney as being tormented by him. During his four hours, she even had to use the restroom, and he followed her to the restroom and waited outside the door while she used the restroom so that she would not leave. You know, so the experience was not only one of torment, but also of humiliation for her. And this is a public official in that parish. OK, so then. Then, OK, so explain the indictment and how that just arises. So we filed a motion to recuse the district attorney back in December of 2022, and the judge set it for a hearing on February 6th.
Starting point is 01:32:41 So literally five days before the judge sets a hearing to recuse the district attorney, he summons a secret's office has sole control over a grand jury proceedings. We are not allowed to present evidence or witnesses or dispute any of the charges. That is the secret proceedings of a district attorney's office. And so we go from need to plead to all of a sudden now she's indicted. Yes. And, and, and Roland, I have to go back to the November 17th date. So in a span of four hours, she's interrogated, forced to plead guilty to a crime that she did not commit. By the way, she's brought before a judge after 530 PM when everyone has left the courthouse. And the district attorney asked the judge to take up her plea.
Starting point is 01:33:48 He also before that approaches multiple public defenders and begs them to go on the public court record and act as if they have been this lady's attorney so that the plea deal could look legitimate. All of the public defenders refused to sign the plea form or participate in the proceeding. One of the public defenders even said that the district attorney became visibly angry with him because he refused to stand in on the court record as her attorney. And the district attorney did not tell him my client was a public official and that she was being charged with voter fraud. So what's next?
Starting point is 01:34:31 What's next, Roland, is that the judge, the local judge in Evangeline Parish, had denied our motion to recuse the district attorney. And so we have now filed the appropriate paperwork for the Louisiana Third Circuit Court of Appeals to review his decision. It is clear that this district attorney has a personal interest in this case. He treated my client differently. He rushed a felony criminal proceeding through the court process in a matter of five to six hours. I promise you, Roland, that Vladimir Putin in Russia allows his criminal defendants more time and more time to process a criminal case in Russia than what happened to my client in Evangeline Parish on November 17th. So we are awaiting the court of appeals decision on to
Starting point is 01:35:26 recuse this district attorney in this case. And we are hopeful and confident that the law is on our side and he will be recused because of his very personal prosecution of my client. All right, then, Rochelle, we shall appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Let us know exactly what happens. Thank you, Roland. I'll keep you updated. All right. Thanks a lot. You know, folks, it's crazy when you see these different things here. And speaking of speaking of that, Matt, Michael, as well as Kelly, did you see the story out of Alabama where black students protested at a high school because they said that the authorities, the school authorities, told them if you have a Black History Month program, you cannot discuss anything that took place before 1970.
Starting point is 01:36:17 Now, no, seriously, straight up, straight up. I saw that story from the Rio. I was talking to someone earlier about this, and they couldn't believe it. 200 students at Hillcrest High School in Tuscaloosa County, again, walked out on Wednesday. And, again, they said that the principal said they could not reference anything that happened before the 70s, including slavery, the Black Panthers or the civil rights movement. They said it was intimidation by the school. And then, of course, the superintendent released a statement as well. Let me see if I can pull this statement up so I can read it for you all, which is just crazy. And I keep trying to explain to people, Matt, what's going on in this country and how these people are absolutely scared to death of history that we tell because they don't actually want to deal with the reality. And so this is what the Tuscaloosa County school system
Starting point is 01:37:27 supports our students right to peacefully demonstrate. A number of our Hillcrest High students have concerns about the culture within their school. We care deeply about our students and it's important that their concerns are heard. We're putting together a plan to make sure our students feel heard so we know the right steps to put in place to ensure all students know that they are valued. Okay, Matt, this is real simple. Either they were ordered to do that or not. So I don't want to hear a damn thing about no plan, but here are students. Were they ordered not to talk about anything happening before 1970? Yes or no? Exactly. Period. That's the only question. And the thing that doesn't make any sense to me at all about this situation is, you know, it seems like school boards and educational entities are just getting so brazen. I mean,
Starting point is 01:38:11 what's the point of a history class if you're not going to teach history? Um, and we see that not only in Florida with the AP class that DeSantis is trying to attack, but what you see right now is you see primarily conservatives, let's be honest, trying to attack history and objective facts and make it likened to things that we know were objectively racist history. What I mean is they try to teach, you know, or try to liken the civil rights movement to the Confederacy. They aren't the same thing. So the idea that students would be ordered not to discuss anything at a program before 1970 is absurd because we're still dealing with racial issues today. And, you know, for them to try to spin it is just BS.
Starting point is 01:38:52 We know that. And we're seeing it all around the country. And we're seeing, unfortunately, that politicians are able to leverage this in some places in Florida, here in Texas, there's an all-out assault on education and the idea that any education that makes people offended, irrespective of its truth, is something that should not be taught. And that's, you know, absurd, especially if we want a citizenry that knows the actual truth of what happened in the past. But bottom line here, Kelly, I keep trying to explain to people, they want to attack every single institution. This is about white fear holding on to power. It really is. But it also, in an ironic way, is kind of funny in them thinking that black history ended after 1970.
Starting point is 01:39:40 Like, you know, I'm not going to get into it. I'm sure Michael is about to give us a breakdown as to what happened between 1970 alone. No, he's not, because he's only going to have 30 seconds. Don't do that, man, like that. Right now, y'all keep laughing. Y'all taking his time. I understand. But you understand my point.
Starting point is 01:40:00 There are plenty of things that happened between 1970 and 2023 that people can talk about that will make white people just as uncomfortable, just as fidgety, just as frankly guilty as things before 1970. So it's not something that is going to stop history from being told. You're just going to feel dumb about it either way. Right. Michael Kelly kept talking, so you only got 20 seconds. Go. CBS 42 has a story about this. And number one, they should sue that school. Number two, in the statement from the superintendent, they did not say the students are lying.
Starting point is 01:40:40 They did not say it didn't take place. Right. That's what I'm saying. That leads me to believe at least somebody at that school, as an authority position, said that. Lastly, we need to have... Michael, you ain't got no lastly. I told you you had 20 seconds. You had 28.
Starting point is 01:40:56 I literally got to go to a break. I'll be right back. Rolling Martin on the filter of the Black Sun Network. You can't be start with first. Second. You can't be start with first, second. You gotta go. Shows that tell stories about people as black men. And then they paint these monolithic portraits of us.
Starting point is 01:41:23 They think that they're being painted by white people. And I gotta tell you, there are a whole bunch of black folk that are the creators, the head writers, the directors of all of these shows, and that are still painting us as monoliths. The people don't really want to have this
Starting point is 01:41:40 conversation. No, they don't. Next on Get Wealthy with me, Deborah Owens, America's Wealth Coach. Listen to this. Women of color are starting 90% of the businesses in this country. That's the good news. The bad news, as a rule, we're not making nearly as much as everyone else. But joining us on the next Get Wealthy episode is Betty Hines. She's a business strategist and she's showing women how to elevate other women. I don't like to say this openly, but we're getting better at it. Women struggle with collaborating with each other. And for that reason,
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Starting point is 01:43:53 understanding financial literacy, and being able to take advantage of the opportunities. My next guest was a high school dropout and father who launched the Financial Literacy Academy when he was 18-year-old son, Timothy. Brandon Williams has overcome a whole lot. He found solutions to wealth barriers and created several business ventures. Brandon and Timothy, they are founders of the CEO Financial Literacy Academy. And they join us right now. I'm glad to have both of you here. So first of all, explain this academy.
Starting point is 01:44:18 Exactly what is it? Okay. The academy was created to get back in the community and help the community, the youth, break the financial curse in the community. And what I meant by that is you mentioned I dropped out of high school in the 11th grade. That was important because I don't have any higher understanding about money, credit, finance, where do you go? And oftentimes I used to look to the street, you know, the guy with the answers on the street. And we brought this Financial Literacy Academy back so the kids wouldn't fall prey to the guys on the street that they don't have them. Right.
Starting point is 01:45:05 So what exactly is the academy? What do y'all actually do? Okay. So it's a financial literacy and entrepreneurship academy. So we teach the youth. No, no, no. When I say academy, is it an actual school? Is it a series of classes?
Starting point is 01:45:23 So exactly what's the academy? Okay, so the academy is ran through after-school programs. We partner with a national organization by the name of OIC, and it's a job training and entrepreneurship development academy. So we partner with about five schools, and we're in these schools in the after-school programs teaching the entrepreneurship component as well as the financial literacy. How many schools? with about five schools, and we're in these schools in the after-school programs, teaching the entrepreneurship component as well as the financial literacy.
Starting point is 01:45:48 How many schools? How many schools? We're in five schools right now, three of them that are active. Where? Carroll City, in Miami-Dade County, in Miami, Florida. Gotcha. And so how many students are you actually teaching? We have about 85 students right now in the classes.
Starting point is 01:46:09 That's not including the other two high schools that will come on mid-year. Gotcha. Gotcha. Questions from my panel. Michael, you're first. Hey, guys, look, this is great. I saw this article from BlackNews.com. Just talk about some of the success all. I mean, coming out of the background and not having the knowledge, it was like a dark road for me. So for him, everything I had learned from my experience of working in banking at a local credit union here by the name of Space Coast Credit Union, I was a loan officer there. So I got a chance to ask people of different backgrounds, different races, and people of all different financial classes. I used to get the chance to pick their brain
Starting point is 01:47:11 and see what they were doing differently than my mom and dad. So the things that I picked up that they were doing that my mom and dad didn't know to do, I started with my son, which was looking outside of regular nine to five to earn income. And that found us into entrepreneurship. So I started working with my son at the age of 16. We started building him a business behind around his gifts, his talents of what he wanted to do at that time. And we started to work on the business credit as well as his personal credit by getting them added as an authorized user to a few of our credit cards. So when he graduated high school,
Starting point is 01:47:52 he graduated with a 700 credit score, ready to approach the world the right way. Right, excellent, excellent. Great job. Kelly. Hi, well, you kind of answered a little bit of my question in exactly how did you learn yourself. But out of what you learned that you now bestow upon your other students, what is the outside of entrepreneurship, of course, what is the best piece of advice or singular advice that you receive that you still teach to others? Okay. Well, an advice.
Starting point is 01:48:29 One of the things that I've learned over time that I've gained, that I got from my mentor that was a story, and I always lead with my students with this story because in my house it was similar. So they gave me the story about the flies in a jar. And they pretty much said the flies in a jar. And they pretty much said the flies in a jar.
Starting point is 01:48:46 When the flies had kids, they did this experiment for a whole generation. The flies had a cap, had a lid on the jar. So over time, once they took the lid off, the flies never attempted to fly above the lid. And even when those flies had kids, the kids never attempted to raise above the bar, the imaginary ceiling that was there when their parents were younger. So I always, the piece of advice I go into giving the kids that I teach, that oftentimes if something that you want is not visible in your home, you always have to know how to seek the resources to allow you to raise your lid so you can achieve more. So that's one piece of advice I lead with,
Starting point is 01:49:33 and that's what our Financial Literacy Academy was all about, helping these kids raise the lid of what they may or may not see at home. Timothy, go ahead and share your thoughts. Is Timothy there? Can you hear me? I can hear you now for some reason. Go ahead. Just talk about your thoughts about the academy.
Starting point is 01:49:59 Oh, for sure. Could you reiterate the question? Yeah, just share your thoughts about the academy and its importance. Oh, for sure. From young, my father put into me the importance of entrepreneurship. So, you know, when I was in high school, around the ninth grade, I started selling candy and chips and different things. And at that point, I was making around $1,500 a month just going to school, back and forth to school. So I would even, even if I sold out every day, but if I didn't sell out on my 20 minute walk from school to home, I would sell out the rest because of all of the traffic. So just the importance of entrepreneurship and now teaching that to other kids in the school system is going to, you know, make society better overall.
Starting point is 01:50:42 All right, then Kelly, your question. I asked my question. I'm sorry. I overall. All right, then. Kelly, your question. I asked my question. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Matt, Matt. So my question is just this. This is a brilliant program.
Starting point is 01:50:54 Thank you for having it. Do you have a particular part of the program that discusses investing? And the reason I ask is because in our community in particular, I find that people are. I know a lot of cops, and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes. But there's a company dedicated to a future
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Starting point is 01:52:14 I'm Greg Lott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir. We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy
Starting point is 01:52:27 winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus King, John Osborne from Brothers Osborne. We have this misunderstanding of what this quote-unquote drug thing is.
Starting point is 01:52:43 Benny the Butcher. Brent Smith from Shinedown. We got B-Real from Cypress Hill. NHL enforcer Riley Cote. Marine Corvette. MMA fighter Liz Karamush. What we're doing now isn't working, and we need to change things. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them. It makes it real.
Starting point is 01:52:59 It really does. It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Here's the deal. We got to set ourselves up. See, retirement is the long game. We got to make moves and make them early.
Starting point is 01:53:33 Set up goals. Don't worry about a setback. Just save up and stack up to reach them. Let's put ourselves in the right position. Pre-game to greater things. Start building your retirement plan at this is pre-tirement.org brought to you by aarp and the ad council afraid of investment afraid of the stock market um have do you have a component that helps people familiarize themselves
Starting point is 01:54:00 with it uh yes sir and that's such a great question. One of the things that when I was actually working with Timothy, two of the things he did from the moment he turned 18, one of them, he got his 215 license, which is his life, health and annuities. So he's a financial planner. He helps people understand the rules of money. And he also got a security guard license where at 18 he carries an arm guard making about 25 bucks an hour starting directly out of high school in addition to his entrepreneurial pursuits. So those things in the financial area, Timothy and I do seminars all the time teaching people how to properly grow, protect, and save their money. And when we say, like you said, many people in our community are afraid of investment. And that's a part of going past that lid that we talked about. So oftentimes we're always in our community teaching people how to protect what matters most. So I'm a real estate broker by trade. I have my real estate broker's
Starting point is 01:55:02 license. Timothy has his financial service license. So in the real estate arena, we oftentimes see our people lose their property, oftentimes without wills, without trust, without anything that maintains all of the hard sweat equity work with people in the community not only to get them licensed, insured, health insurance, life insurance, mortgage protection. And if you ever heard of that concept of becoming your own bank, Timothy and I teach that concept through what they call the whole life infinite banking strategy. And we teach how that is a viable option for people in our community that may have never heard of how to make proper investments to protect their life. All right, then. If folks want to get more information and look into something like that in their city, where should they go? Yes, they can go to BreakingTheFinancialCurse.com. Also, they can follow us on Pastor Finance on Instagram. And they can also give us our main hotline and call at 305-849-2035. And Timothy's number direct that handles everything else is 954-558-6587.
Starting point is 01:56:26 All right, then. Well, look, we certainly appreciate it. Thank you so very much for joining us, and good luck. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thank you for having us. It's a pleasure. Thank you for having us.
Starting point is 01:56:37 All right. I appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Hey, folks, check this story out. A white woman who called to have her HVAC service called the cops on the black technician who arrived to do the job. Alonzo Harmon shared this video to his TikTok profile titled, here's a sample of what life is like being a black man in America. Watch this. I've never, I have never, ever dealt with a customer like this. She is on the phone with 911 right now.
Starting point is 01:57:07 Look. Look at her. She said I just threatened her. What threat did I make towards you? What threat did I make towards you, ma'am? Huh? This is crazy. I've never...
Starting point is 01:57:25 I already knew what it was when I first got here, though. Because when I walked in the door, she was on tip. Her husband's not even here. She's asking me pointless questions. I'm answering them. Oh, God, you know... Everybody who knows me knows I keep it professional.
Starting point is 01:57:40 But I've never dealt with a customer like here, ever. Oh, God. And I'm not going to leave. I'm going to wait until the police get here. That's what I'm going to do. Show up, talk to both of them, nobody arrested. Somebody should be, the white woman should be arrested, Matt. Yeah, she should for a false report.
Starting point is 01:57:59 Yes. And I don't even know what to say beyond this is absurd. I mean, he's got all the insignia indicating he works for the company, and she just wasn't pleased the black man showed up at her door. So she called 911. And I chuckled, but I chuckled because it is so absurd. I mean, I don't even know what to say beyond it's abhorrent that a person would do this. And I'm glad that he decided to stay because I was thinking, you know, obviously if she says get off her property, leave her property so you don't have any trespassing issues. But I'm glad he decided to stay because the police come and they see that not only these kinds of things happen to black
Starting point is 01:58:32 people, but if he had left, we might be looking at him trying to defend himself, right? Because who knows what she says when he leaves. So I think he took the right course in recording her and making sure that it was clear he was not in any way menacing her. Indeed. That's what it means. A brother trying to work and still catching hell. We'll be right back. And we come back.
Starting point is 01:58:55 We'll talk about Bethune Cookman having a new head football coach. Next, the roller button filter. On a next A Balanced Life with me, Dr. jackie a relationship that we have to have we're often afraid of it and don't like to talk about it that's right we're talking about our relationship with money and here's the thing our relationship with money oftentimes determines whether we have it or not the truth is you cannot change what you will not acknowledge. Balancing your relationship with your pocketbook. That's next on A Balanced Life with me, Dr. Jackie, here at Black Star Network. We're all impacted by the culture, whether we know it or not.
Starting point is 01:59:45 From politics to music and entertainment, it's a huge part of our lives. And we're going to talk about it every day right here on The Culture with me, Faraji Muhammad, only on the Black Star Network. Next on The Black Table with me, Greg Carr. An hour of living history with Dr. Richard Mariba Kelsey, thinker, builder, author, and one of the most important and impactful elders in the African-American community. He reflects on his full and rich life and shares his incomparable wisdom about our past, present, and future. African genius is saying that my uncle was a genius, my brother was a genius, my neighbor was a genius. I think we ought to drill that in ourselves
Starting point is 02:00:30 and move ahead rather than believing that I got it. That's next on The Black Table here on the Black Star Network. Carl Payne pretended to be Roland Martin. Holla! Hi, I'm Chaley Rose and you're watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. សូវបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបានបា� James Zaccoli has been missing from Casa Grande, Arizona since January 29th. The 15-year-old is 5 feet 9 inches tall, weighs 161 pounds, with black hair and brown eyes. Anyone with information about James Zaccoli should call the Casa Grande Arizona Police Department
Starting point is 02:01:45 at 520-421-8700 520-421-8700 520-421-8700 Folks, Bethune-Cookman has a new head football coach. After all the drama, they announced they were going to hire Ed Reed, but then of course they rescinded the hiring of Ed Reed. Now on Wednesday
Starting point is 02:02:02 they announced Raymond Woody Jr. as their new head coach As many of you know I played Football here at Bethune-Cookman in the early 90s and graduated in 1996 as an academic and football all-american During college. I met my wonderful wife Stephanie During college, I met my wonderful wife, Stephanie. Of 23 years here, we have three amazing kids. Ray III, which is at Cal Berkeley, just graduating.
Starting point is 02:02:41 Alana, my daughter, she's a freshman at University of Central Florida. And then Caden Woody, he's an eighth grader. He decided to stay home and play in his basketball championship game. It feels so good to be home. I want to start by thanking President Dr. Drake and Athletic Director Reggie Theis and the rest of the BCU administration for this opportunity. Over the years, I have held numerous coaching positions from the high school level to Division I institutions under Willie Taggart and have established amazing relationships
Starting point is 02:03:21 throughout the state and across the country. As the next head football coach, I will have a strong focus on creating a winning culture. The academic, personal, and professional development of our players, recruiting the best and brightest from the state of Florida and from around the country and enhancing our engagement with you all and the members of our university community. Now in the first 30 days, I will examine and fill our staff individually, equally committed to both on and off the field. Then I will meet with all the players individually and get an opportunity to know a
Starting point is 02:04:08 little bit more about them as well as them knowing a little bit more about me. Next, team up with the athletics department, including academic, student development, marketing, facilities, and all departments that support us. We will discuss how we can collaborate to strengthen our football program and partnerships. Also partner with the university community including senior stakeholders, donors, boosters, alumni, the student body, and the university faculty and staff. I recognize that those relationships are vitally important. To achieve our program goals,
Starting point is 02:04:50 our university community will play a pivotal role. You are the backbone of our program. All right, folks. Woody has worked at Florida Atlantic University, Florida State University, University of Oregon, and the University of South Florida. So congratulations on that. And hopefully he can turn that program around. They have not been very good the last few seasons.
Starting point is 02:05:16 All right, folks. Super Bowl is this weekend. It's the Kansas City Chiefs versus the Philadelphia Eagles. So let's go down the line. I'll start with you, Matt. Who you got on Sunday? I hate the Eagles. I'm a Cowboys fan.
Starting point is 02:05:36 So, you know, I hate the Eagles. But I honestly want Jalen Hurts to win. So I want Jalen Hurts to win. That's my vote. Wow, you're a trash-ass Cowboys fan. I should have known. See, now that you done talked about... Oh, Lord have mercy.
Starting point is 02:05:51 Just, ugh. Matter of fact, I now want the Eagles to win just so y'all can have more pain. Kelly? I mean, considering that most of my friends are Eagles fans I'm just rooting for everybody black
Starting point is 02:06:08 Kansas City got a black quarterback like I said there's a whole bunch of black players on Kansas City team so you got a pick Kelly everybody black that is somebody I said what I said
Starting point is 02:06:24 Michael Michael everybody black. That is somebody. Yep, I said what I said. That's that bullshit. Michael? I am wearing green. Michael? So, Roland, you know I haven't watched the NFL game since Colin Kaepernick left the league in 2017. I don't watch the Super Bowl. You ain't watch the NFL game
Starting point is 02:06:40 because y'all got an amateur football team in Detroit. Oh, man. And that doesn't help, but if they were winning, I still wouldn't watch the NFL. I'm not watching the halftime show. And exactly what I predicted back in 2019 when the NFL co-opted Jay-Z is exactly what's going to happen this Sunday. Remember, at first, Jay-Z told the top acts, don't perform for the Super Bowl because
Starting point is 02:07:08 of Kyla Kaepernick's protest. I said, when they co-opted Jay-Z, that was to go do a backdoor to Kyla Kaepernick to go get the top acts, and who they have performing? Rihanna. I was correct. I would not be watching again. That's who I'm rooting for. I'm rooting for Rihanna.
Starting point is 02:07:25 Is she against us? Is she performing against somebody? She's at the game. I'm rooting for Rihanna. Oh, my goodness. All right, y'all. First of all, I think the Eagles are going to win. They got a much stronger defense.
Starting point is 02:07:40 Patrick Mahomes has a high ankle sprain. He's not going to be as mobile as he wants to be. So I have the Eagles winning the Super Bowl. And unlike Stephen A., I love Beyonce and love Rihanna. I think Rihanna's going to put on a great show. And so looking forward to that. Probably will. So, folks, I got to go.
Starting point is 02:07:59 Tomorrow I'm going to be in Virginia Beach. Looking forward to speaking tomorrow. Give me one second real quick. I'm going to be giving the keynote speech at the Chesapeake Pearls Foundation. So looking forward to that. And then, of course, I will not be here on Monday because I will be speaking live at Claflin University at 6 p.m. Eastern. And so Robert Petillo is going to be hosting. Do this here.
Starting point is 02:08:24 Make sure that punk-ass Deontay is not a guest on Monday's show. Deontay Johnson, that's right. He needs to go to see a dentist before he comes back. After we knocked his teeth out last time with his craziness. But he's probably somewhere in witness protection with Phillip. J. Phillip Clay. Phillip's somewhere in Plainfield because you know damn well
Starting point is 02:08:51 ain't nobody in Indianapolis ever seen Phillip. Nobody. Nobody. We put his ass in with his protection, y'all. He done protected his tweets, his Instagram posts. That boy done moved out of the country. Alright, y'all. That's it. Again, clap and I'll see y'all on Monday. AK's in Virginia posts. I want to move out of the country. All right, y'all.
Starting point is 02:09:05 That's it. Again, clapping. I'll see y'all on Monday. AK's in Virginia Beach. I'll see y'all tomorrow. I'm flying out literally in two and a half hours. And so I got to go. Y'all know how we do it.
Starting point is 02:09:15 We end the show. Michael, Kelly, Matt, I appreciate it. Cowboys, hashtag hate cowboys. Deal with it, Matt. I got to go. Holler! Thank you. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Glott. And this is season two of the War on Drugs podcast. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 02:10:21 Last year, a lot of the problems of the drug war. This year, a lot of the biggest names in music and sports. This kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We met them at their homes. We met them at their recording studios. Stories matter, and it brings a face to them. It makes it real. It really does.
Starting point is 02:10:38 It makes it real. Listen to new episodes of the War on Drugs podcast season two on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's the deal. We gotta set ourselves up. See, retirement is the long game. We gotta make moves and make them early.
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