#RolandMartinUnfiltered - Ukrainian Invasion Continues; MD Family Son's Out of Ukraine; Black Women Struggles, Black Skincare

Episode Date: March 1, 2022

2.28.2022 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: Ukrainian Invasion Continues; MD Family Son's Out of Ukraine; Black Women Struggles, Black SkincareExplosions continue in Ukrainian cities as Ukrainian officials desperately seek a cease-fire. Russia is hit with sanctions. Switzerland has joined other countries condemning the attacks, and Russia is now banned from the World Cup. Tonight, we are talking to experts on Russia and Ukraine to understand better what is happening and what we can expect.People of color, especially Black people, are having a hard time getting out of the war-ravaged region. We'll talk to the parents of a black professional basketball player who finally got the news their son is out of Ukraine.Estee Lauder fires one of their senior executives for posting a joking with a racial slur about Covid on his Instagram.A New York man gets a new trial after spending 24 years in prison for a crime he says he did not commit.Tomorrow is the beginning of Women's History Month and Black Women's Appreciation Day! Dr. Avis Jones DeWeever will explain how everyone can help black women overcome challenges so they can be more successful.And in our Fit, Live, Win segment, we are talking about black skincare. Do you know what kind of skin you have and how to best care for it? We have an expert who will break all of that down for you.#RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: Nissan | Check out the ALL NEW 2022 Nissan Frontier! As Efficient As It Is Powerful! 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/3FqR7bPSupport #RolandMartinUnfiltered and #BlackStarNetwork via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered PayPal ☛ https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfiltered Venmo ☛https://venmo.com/rmunfiltered Zelle ☛ [e-mail] or monthly recurring #BringTheFunk Fan Club membership via paypal ☛ https://rolandsmartin.com/rmu-paypal/#RolandMartinUnfiltered partner: Nissan | Check out the ALL NEW 2022 Nissan Frontier! As Efficient As It Is Powerful! 👉🏾 https://bit.ly/3FqR7bPSupport #RolandMartinUnfiltered and #BlackStarNetwork via the Cash App ☛ https://cash.app/$rmunfiltered or via PayPal ☛ https://www.paypal.me/rmartinunfilteredDownload the #BlackStarNetwork app on iOS, AppleTV, Android, Android TV, Roku, FireTV, SamsungTV and XBox 👉🏾 http://www.blackstarnetwork.com#RolandMartinUnfiltered and the #BlackStarNetwork are news reporting platforms covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Folks, explosions continue in Ukraine as well as they battle Russian forces. Also, African immigrants trying to get out of the country. They say they're having problems. And also, a basketball player from Maryland.

He is stuck there. He's trying to also get out. We'll talk to his parents on the show as well. Plus, we'll talk with a deputy spokeswoman for the State Department, Jelena Porter, as well.

So, lots of stuff to cover. And we'll also have a Russian black relations expert talk about what's happening there as well. So we got it all covered for you, all different perspectives. You do not want to miss this conversation. Estee Lauder fires one of their senior executives for posting a joking racist meme.

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to adopt sanctions against Russia imposed by the European Union. Since the sanctions have begun, Russia's ruble has dropped more than 30%. Also, the World Soccer Body, FIFA, and European Authority, they have banned Russian national clubs from participating, even in qualifying for the World Cup until further notice. Also, oil companies are also pulling out. Shell has announced they're also going to be pulling out as well in terms of one of the collaborations they're doing with Russia. A lot of different things happening.

And, of course, it has a dramatic impact on what was happening here in the United States. Joining us right now is the deputy spokeswoman for the State Department, Jelena Porter. Glad to have you here on Roland Martin Unfiltered. So let's get right to it. I mean, this is, there are a lot of people who don't quite get it or understand why the United States is not happening on no-fly zone, not sending troops.

And so explain to people what's really going on in that regard. Well, number one, thank you for having me, Roland. I'm very happy to be here. I'll just start from the beginning. President Biden has made it clear for months now that we'll be united in our efforts with our allies and partners on making sure our European partners are protected

and protecting the Ukrainian sovereignty and territorial integrity. Right now, we don't have any announcements as far as no-fly zones. Of course, that might put our troops at risk, but for now, we continue to lean into the path to diplomacy, and we continue to hold Russia accountable for what it's done. But for folks who don't understand, Ukraine is not a part of NATO. And so, again, for folks who don't quite understand international politics, what is NATO and what are our responsibilities when it comes to NATO?

So, well, you're right. Ukraine is not a part of NATO, and what are our responsibilities when it comes to NATO? So, well, you're right. Ukraine is not a part of NATO, and that's why Russia decided to invade. This all boiled down to President Putin wanting to invade in its neighbor of Ukraine and wanting to take ownership and moving forward in an unprovoked, premeditated war, a census war that we have no business of being in,

all because Ukraine wants to join NATO. And so this has been building up for quite some time. And so this, so America's response was not all of a sudden last week or two. This has really been months in the making. Correct. We have been working for months now. We've been working on nonstop diplomacy at a multi-levels of government. You've had President Blinken, who's spoken several times with Ukrainian President Zelensky. You've had Secretary Blinken speak with his counterpart, Foreign Minister Kuleba. And in fact, he just spoke to him a few hours ago. We've seen United States Ambassador to the U.N.,

Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield, speak about this fervently at the U.N. Security Council. So we've engaged in nonstop diplomacy and coordination with our allies and partners for months now. One of the things that we have been hearing, and we've been hearing, and we've been sort of looking at this as well, in terms of issues with Africans trying to get out,

those African nations have been responding, Nigeria, Jamaica, and others. Any information you have there, how y'all have been working with various African nations to make sure their immigrants are taken care of? Well, listen, we have seen those unfortunate reports. And let me just say that any discrimination, especially at a time like this, at a time of a crisis, is completely inexcusable. What we've been doing, we've been working with U.N. partners on the ground.

We've also been working with governments on the ground to make sure that Ukraine's partners or Ukraine's neighbors have the resources they need to help any third country nationals, to help any refugees cross the border peacefully, no matter where they're from, whether they're South Asian, whether they're African, whether they're Middle Eastern, no matter where they're from, they'll have protections. In a moment, I'm going to be talking with the parents of a young brother from Maryland who's actually trapped over there as well. And so what about Americans, in this case this basketball player, who is sitting here going, look, I'm trying to get out, what do I do?

Well, listen, I haven't seen the reports of the basketball player, but what I can say is that the State Department's primary concern is the health and safety of American citizens abroad. And of course, when it comes to folks stuck in Ukraine, we have our travel website, travel.state.gov. We encourage Americans who are still there to register for our Smart Travel Enrollment Program, STEP as we like to call it, so we can communicate with them one-on-one and to make sure they have all the resources they need to get out as soon as possible. The financial sanctions have been significant.

And we are seeing that continue in a much broader way as well. And so how critical has that been to let Russia, let Putin know that America does not appreciate what is happening there? And will that continue? Well, listen, President Biden, like I said, he said from day one that should Russia choose this path to destruction, that this would happen,

this would materialize. So we've been in lockstep with our international allies and partners, and it's not only us. It's been, you know, Japan. It's been several other countries who've imposed these sanctions on Russia. And so now, they're isolated. Their financial institutions are going to have costs. You know, their currency, as you mentioned before,

is also going to deteriorate. So now, President Putin has some firm decisions to make. One of the things that I was just in Liberia for eight days and you also have actions taking place at the United Nations. So other countries, African countries, Caribbean countries, are also expressing their viewpoint as well. And so how has the United States in terms of been rallying those leaders to stand with us and to stand with the world against Russia?

Well, again, I've mentioned U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Ambassador Linda Thomas-Greenfield, who is our leader when it comes to Security Council issues. She has spoke against this, you know, very much in the past couple of weeks, and she's been, you know, in the news. She's made sure that American values are at play and that we're working with our allies and partners to stand united with Ukraine. So just a couple more questions for you.

So in terms of next steps, if there are individuals, because I was looking at some WNBA players who are trying to get out as well, if there are individuals who are still there, you mentioned the website, but who else should they be reaching out to to be able to? And is there a particular place where they should be going? Because some of the African Asians were suggesting there's certain areas that have been a lot easier to get out of the

country than others. Well, again, I haven't seen the reports of the WNBA players who are trying to get out. And again, I'll reiterate that the State Department, our foremost priority is making sure that Americans are safe. And so, you know, we encourage them to sign up for the STEP program so they can get accurate information on how to safely leave the country. Some of those details I won't get into for operational security reasons, but we do encourage them to sign up. So if they have folks who are here and they're having trouble reaching the folks there,

what should the folks on this side of the Atlantic Ocean, what should they be doing? So aside from encouraging their family, for instance, to sign up for this program, they should reach out to the embassy and consulate there, which at this point in time, our embassy is functioning out of Poland for the safety and security of all of our officers who work there.

But you know, if they get into direct contact, they'll get into direct contact with us and make sure they have all the information they need. All right. Jelena Porter, we certainly appreciate it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. All right. Folks, this continues. Look, it's going to have an economic impact on us, whether we want to own up to it or not. You look at what's happening in terms of oil prices. And so the question many folks are, again, asking, what is going to be next? What do we do in this country? Somebody may say, you know what, this really doesn't impact us, but really it does. Because anything that happens across the world still has impact on what we do in this country. We're going to go now to Max Bergman.

He is with the Center for American Progress. Max, glad to have you on the show. It's been very interesting watching what is taking place. You have folks, it's sort of like there's two worlds. You've got a Fox News world where you have all of these Republicans who all of a sudden are just loving Vladimir Putin, who are just claiming, oh, just let him have it. But the reality is the world is standing firm,

and President Joe Biden has done a hell of a job in terms of bringing the world together and NATO together to forcefully counteract Putin and Russia. I think you're exactly right. Look, the Biden administration has done a phenomenal job here. And, you know, I was somewhat actually critical of the Biden administration in the beginning part as it came into office because it didn't necessarily want to focus on Russia. It wanted to establish a stable relationship with Vladimir Putin and the Russian government. It tried to do that. But what it's done over the last four or five months is really unite the world and not just with our European allies. And what we see is how isolated Russia is and how isolated

Vladimir Putin is. And they've done a masterful job at releasing intelligence about what Putin was planning, about his efforts to sort of try to blame Ukraine for the conflict. And that has gone literally nowhere. And as someone who was in the State Department in 2014, I saw Russia do disinformation campaigns when it invaded Ukraine. And it had some success there. And this time, not at all. And the world has stood up and has really taken incredibly strong action against Russia. And I think most analysts are really shocked at how strong the response is.

But that's due to the Biden administration, to its nonstop efforts over the last few months. You've got some folks who are saying, I mean, again, I'm listening to some of these right-wing nuts. Oh, why aren't we sending in troops? Why aren't we doing a no-fly zone? Do they not understand that when America gets involved in a war, it takes it to another level? Right. And, you know, look, I am as empathetic as anyone with people on Twitter and social media wanting to do something, wanting to help Ukraine. You know, I've been to Ukraine multiple times and, you know, just my heart goes out to the people of Ukraine. But establishing a no fly zone means war with Russia and war with Russia means war with a pure nuclear power. And when Vladimir Putin puts his nuclear forces, increases the alert level on his nuclear forces,

that's sending a clear message. And we don't know how that would unfold. And so I think, you know, that's why President Biden did, I think, a very smart thing in simply taking the option of the U.S. intervening militarily to defend Ukraine. I also think there's a lot of just practical constraints here. The U.S. Air Force isn't right there. It would take a lot of effort for us to establish a no-fly zone. And of course, let's not forget Donald Trump pulled 12,000 U.S. troops out of Germany. Right. Well, and then there was also just the lack of building a strong alliance over the last four or five years. And I think in particular, what I am super concerned about is that the Russians may respond to our economic sanctions with cyber attacks back against the United States. And we spent the entire Trump administration not really doing anything on cybersecurity, not investing in the resilience that we need to really stand up to Russia, not preparing for this sort of situation. And so, you know, we wasted a lot of time under

Donald Trump. We weren't focused on the right things. Our alliance was divided. And Biden has done a lot in the last year. But in order to build the sort of cyber resilience to sort of uproot Russian intelligence operations that have been targeting the United States for a long time, we needed to get to work much earlier. And we should have seen the writing on the wall in 2014 and 2016 when they attacked our election. All right, then. So one last question for you, Max, and that is, again, for the people who say, man, look, this has no material impact on those of us in the United States,

explain to them why that's not the case. So this has a tremendous impact on the United States and on us because, look, what was at stake here was that Russia, if Russia could get away with simply invading a smaller democratic country, then big countries can start to invade smaller countries. And this is what we saw, I think, really eloquently expressed by African countries at the United Nations General Assembly, where we don't want a world where borders can just be redrawn because

you have a stronger military. And we sort of forget that we live in actually, while there's conflict and violence, a fairly stable world where borders are respected, sovereignty is respected. And if not, then we're returning back to kind of a pre-1945, pre-World War II era. And that's just a really violent, dangerous place. And that's not a world that we want to return to. So I think that's sort of one of the main reasons. But it also goes to just sort of broader concerns about European security, about a democracy that's, if we allow a democracy to just be dismembered, then where does Vladimir Putin stop? So I think that this conflict has been a real wake-up call for, I think, everyone around the world about the importance of democracy, about the importance of democracy sticking together because they face real challenges from autocratic states around the world.

All right, then. Max Bergman, we surely appreciate it. Thank you so very much. Thank you. Folks, we talked about people who have been impacted by this. And we're going to go to a break. We come back. We're going to talk with the family of a young man who's a basketball player there in Ukraine who is stuck there.

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And one of the stories that jumped out was a young man who plays basketball there who was all of a sudden caught in the middle of this. He played basketball at Indiana University. And again, it's one of those stories that when you see it, you're going, oh, my goodness. You don't necessarily think about people who have been in these various countries. There are folks who are playing basketball.

There are people who are working there. We've seen the stories. We've been talking about these African immigrants who have been there as well. And so all of a sudden when war breaks out, it's what happens? What happens to them? What do they do? And so right now I want to talk with the parents of this young man, Pammy and Michael Morgan. How you doing? How are both of you doing?

Pretty good. How you doing? Glad to have you on the show. And so Maurice Mowcreek is your son. Tell us, where is he now? How is he? When have you last talked to him? He actually just FaceTimed me. And first of all, thank you for having us. And I'm really giving all praises to the Most High that he was actually to get through to me and tell me that he is free. He is in Moldova. He actually got through, and he is free. He is in Moldova he actually got through and he is in a vehicle

on the other side of the border so in a vehicle on the other side of the border and How long has he been there how How long has he been playing there in Ukraine? He's been playing in Ukraine for several years with several different teams. But this particular team, he had just left here on the 18th of January. And so I'm just told that we actually have Maurice on the phone. Maurice, how you doing? I'm doing great. How are you? I'm quite sure you're doing a heck of a lot better than I am.

You've been safe. Yeah, I'm safe and sound now. I'm so happy to be out of Ukraine. Now I'm heading to Romania. I'm in the car, safe and sound. So I'm just feeling great right now. I feel so relieved. It had to be a harrowing experience for you to be there,

for you as war breaks out. Just take us through what your life has been like for the past week. It's been crazy. I ain't going to lie. It's one of the craziest experiences I've ever had in my life. You know, when you go through stuff like that, you just don't know if you're going to make it back. You know, anything you can do is just pray.

You know what I mean? And I'm just thankful I'm on the other side of it now. I don't have to worry about no bombs, no, no none of that. You know what I mean? I don't have to worry about going into war anymore. I don't have to worry about being safe on this road, on this drive, my guy, and, you know, getting back to my family. As you were talking, your dad is getting quite emotional just listening to you share your story. Go right ahead there, Michael. Oh, no.

And to have your son out there like that and him, oh. Oh, man. It's been a rollercoaster. It's been a roller coaster. It's been unbelievable. We are literally sleep deprived. We were falling asleep before the show came on.

Both of us. Look, I absolutely can understand that. Maurice, as this was developing, I mean, were you trying to get out or was the team trying to help you other players get out? Were there other Americans on the team? What was happening in the last week? It wasn't that big when everybody started getting out. Um, but the team, it was just a messy situation.

Oh, you know, a lot of the guys just, um, got out when they felt like, you know what I'm saying? It was time to get out. And me, because I got there so late, i was kind of in a total different situation than them i couldn't just say hey i'm just gonna leave when i want to leave and um it just was a bad situation for me because i didn't really have the funds that i needed to have to get out you know i mean that i was supposed to be getting from the team and everything, everybody else was, you know what I'm saying? Been there for months.

You know what I mean? Me being a player who just got in, who helped them a lot, they didn't really. So, you know, with that being said, they was not trying to let me go. They was having these meetings with me, stating they were trying to let me go. You know, my agent had told them that I was trying to let me go. They was having these meetings with me stating they were trying to let me go. You know, my agent had told them that I was trying to go.

They were trying to let me go. And I had a last meeting with them, and they just basically was trying to tell me, like, they believed that nothing was going to hurt. And I just felt like they didn't really consider them life first basketball. The second they considered basketball first lifestyle. And I just didn't feel the situation at hand like that. You know, when you're doing business with a basketball player,

it doesn't matter what you feel. It matters the person on the side feels because at the end of the day, we are the ones that have to go there we are the ones who have to win games you're the ones that go and practice every day you know what I mean so if we're doing for you you should be able to understand like you know if we're in an uncomfortable situation like how we would how all of us just not just us, but everybody. And I just felt like they didn't consider that. They just took it into their own hands to put our lives in their hands.

There are a number of people who don't realize the number of international basketball players, folks who are playing all around the world. There are WNBA players who play on Russian teams. And obviously you want to get home as soon as possible. You may not have, you know, this crossed your mind, but is this giving you second thoughts about playing across internationally? First of all, if only you could see your mama's face right now. If only you could see your mama's face and your daddy's face right now. But go ahead.

I know what they would say. I'm not going to disclose that. It's something that me and my family really have to talk about. You know, it's just scary, though. That's what I will say. It is a very scary situation. It's just... Looks like...

You know what I'm saying? Yep. To me, it was going to be in the back of my mind, like, do I even want to go through the situation ever again? You know, talking about it, you know what I mean? I've been out for that, again, to get home and talk to my parents. I know what they're thinking in the back of their head. But they still want to talk about family.

Well, I'll probably tell you this, Maureen. It's not in the back of their head. No, it's not. Y'all go right ahead. Go ahead. The whole city, no. Well, I'm sure, again, that's a conversation that y'all are going to have. And, of course, with the G League here in the United States and other efforts,

I'm quite sure y'all are going to be saying, son, it's time for you to stay home. It had to be, of course, a harrowing experience for all of you involved. Maurice, we're glad that you've gotten out of that area. You're on your way to safety. And, again, be sure to stay safe on those roads. And, again, I'm sure your parents cannot wait to see you back on safe ground in Maryland. For sure. Thank you.

All right, then. Well, first of all, Mr. Morgans, I'm glad to have you all on the show as well. Look, bottom line is very few people have had to experience this. Families that have had children who are in the military understand this, but it's a whole lot different when you send your son abroad to play basketball and all of a sudden a war breaks out. Absolutely. Yeah. And when you see a text message come through that says, Mom, I love you. I mean, it was awful. And then he shows us what this bomb shelter looks like. I mean, it was unbelievable.

And it's like this is never going to happen to you in a million years, and then it ends up happening to us. It is unbelievable. Indeed. Well, I'm sure, look, y'all haven't gotten any sleep. You might get some, but I wouldn't be surprised if the two of you are not going to really get some rest until your son is in your arms and in the house. Absolutely.

I can't wait. Tie down to a chair. Make him duct tape, too. I understand. I understand. Well, Pammy and Michael, I appreciate you joining us on Roland Martin Unfiltered. And again, we certainly are thankful that your son is out of Ukraine and on his way to safety. Thank you.

All right. Thank you so very much. I'm going to bring in my panel now, folks. See, this is the thing that for a lot of folks who are watching, again, when you hear these stories, not really understanding

in terms of what the impact is. So Dr. Julianne Malveaux, she's the Dean of College of Ethnic Studies at California State University in Los Angeles. Dr. Omokongo Dabinga, Professorial Lecturer, School of International Service, American University. Reverend Jeff Carr, founder of the Infinity Fellowship in Nashville, Tennessee. Glad to have all three of you. I'm going to start with you, Omokongo.

And the thing here is, I'm sorry, we'll get to Omicongo in a bit, but I want to go to, I'll start with Jeff. Jeff, the, you know, it's interesting when I look at how people are commenting, how they're on social media and how they are, they're weighing in. And then when you see this family, then when you see the treatment of African immigrants, and then when people now begin to understand, oh, yeah, you're thinking you're seeing all of these white folks in Ukraine, not realizing the impact of African immigrants, people who are traveling all across the world and how we are all connected, if you will.

Yes, indeed. And first off, man, welcome back. It's the first time I've been able to be on with you since you got back from the motherland. I'm glad you made it back safe and sound. And I'm so glad I speak to the family, especially Brother Creek's family, the Morgans there, that they recognize and remember and know that the entire Roland Martin Unfiltered universe right now, online, on every social media platform. They're sending prayers. We are proclaiming a safe journey. We're making sure that as soon as possible, your son is going to be in your home. Everything is working together for the good. All of that is in alignment. So just know that people from all over the world who watch this show on Black Star Network are covering you and protecting you right now. We proclaim in advance that this is going to be a great situation that everyone is going to learn from. 2010, Haiti or Haiti.

I was down there on a project we were building for a space that had collapsed, an orphanage there in the Delmas 22 neighborhood. And we were down there building and there was a presidential election coming right after the earthquake. It was when Michael Martelli got elected. And right up to that election, when you talk about a war, it can happen with turmoil around political elections as well. And I'll never forget this feeling of being stranded. I try not to manifest fear. I'll say the only thing I fear is not reaching my goals in life. But buddy, when you're in an armored car with an escort trying to move through crowds and every single person is trying their best to get to an airport

so they can just get to Miami, just get 45 minutes across the water, there is no feeling like being caught and trapped in a foreign place that you're not used to and you don't have access to resources to get out of there. So my heart goes out to that family, but it also goes out to those who are struggling now to get into Poland, the immigrants who are trying to get across into Belarus, the conversations that are taking place internationally and globally now with what has become, very thankfully, an information war more than it has even a physical war. So these conversations that we're having, the pressure that is coming from social media,

we are actually able to now make this connection globally with people who are in Ukraine, people who are in South Africa, people who are in Nigeria, Ghana, people who are Afghans who are also had some issues getting in and out of the country over the last several days or four days since the war started. We are now seeing that all of this impacts all of us wherever we are. So I'm glad to see now that the conversation is taking place and that we are now able to input how important it is for us to connect with people across the world and to recognize that it really truly could happen to any one of us. On the Congo, the African Union released this statement with regard to the treatment of African immigrants. And this was released about five hours ago. If y'all can go

to my go to my computer, please. And the current chair of the African Union is the president of Senegal, H.E. Macky Saul. And this is what they said, that all people have the right to cross international borders during conflict and as such should enjoy the same rights to cross to safety from the conflict in Ukraine, notwithstanding their nationality or racial identity. Reports that Africans are singled out for unacceptable dissimilar treatment would be shockingly racist safety from the conflict in Ukraine, notwithstanding their nationality or racial identity. Reports that Africans are single out for unacceptable dissimilar treatment would be shockingly racist and in breach international law.

In this regard, the chairpersons urge all countries to respect international law and show the same empathy and support to all people fleeing war, notwithstanding their racial identity. The chairpersons commend the efforts by African Union member state countries and their embassies in neighboring countries to receive and orientate African citizens and their families trying to cross the border from Ukraine to safety. This if we have the video, please, of one of the officials from Jamaica who released a video earlier today with regards to 24 Jamaican students who were trapped in Ukraine. This is what she had to say. Good night, Jamaica, and good night, friends of Jamaica, all of you who have been following the journey of our students in Ukraine.

Giving God thanks tonight that all 24 are now on the bus on their way to Krakow where accommodations will be waiting for them. Our charge is there. Our friends of Jamaica have been of the greatest assistance and they've had something warm and they are in a comfortable bus on their way. So again, thank you for all your prayers so far. Keep them up as we still have a little ways to go, but they are on their way and we give thanks. Chef Jose Andres, of course, they are there feeding folks as well. And he actually caught up with one of the Afro immigrants. And then this is a video that he posted on his Twitter account. I just met her here. She's been walking like many others from for many, many hours, if not many days, because the situation is difficult to leave Ukraine to come

because there's no cars, no gas, and many other issues, I guess. But I was asking her, because they were saying that if Poland and other countries were not allowing citizens from different countries, especially of Africa, and what do you have to tell us about that? We didn't actually face any problem coming here. We just got to the border and we entered. And then we just had to stamp our visas and everything and yeah, it was sorted out. So I met some people from Congo that were with her. I saw some people from Jamaica. I saw people from India, from different countries around the world, but I've

seen people from different countries in Africa, and I agree with her. Everybody's telling me, no problem. So don't worry. We're trying to, the government of Poland, other governments, they're trying to do the best to take care of the people. Thank you for sharing this with you, and best of luck. Bye. Mokongo, again, when you hear these stories, it's important for us to let these countries know, no, you're not going to sit here and let 280,000 Ukrainians cross the border but deny African immigrants. Absolutely.

And quite honestly, Roland, it disconnects to your whole trip to Liberia. And it's great to see you, and thanks for everything you did on this trip to build this diasporic connection. I've heard so many African Americans talk about, oh, that's their war, we don't have to care about that, we don't got time to think about that. But there's Black people over there as well. And we have seen with other embassies, African embassies that have stepped up, we have to take care of our own because when it comes down to it, folks will abandon us at the slightest opportunity that they have. I'm really wondering if there are Italian students and students from the U.K. and places like that and Irish students who had no problems possibly getting across the border.

It's not fair and it's not right. And furthermore, we have to understand that, as he mentioned, people from Congo, from all over the world, if we don't step up to demand that we are treated with respect at every step of this juncture, people are going to step all over us. But right now, people who are from the Ukraine and people across the Ukrainian diaspora in America are calling for us to stand with them and fight with them and pledge solidarity with them. And I do, 100%. I don't want to see any sovereign nation get taken over. I don't want to see anything that Putin's doing as relates to his monstrous and dictatorial inclinations

to try to take over the world. I don't want to see that put on Ukraine as well. But look, it goes both ways. If you want to get that empathy from us, you got to make sure that you're treating everybody the same. And so I commend those African nations that have stepped up to help take care of the South Africans and the other folks there who are having those troubles. And for all the Black folks out there, we got to understand that we are part of a global community. The whole trip to Liberia was about that. You're welcome there as family, as an African son. And we are across the world. And right now in Ukraine, like I said, I support the Ukrainian people 100 percent.

But we've got to make sure that we get our support there as well, because if we're all in this together, we really got to be all in this together. Julianne, we're seeing folks at Reuters and Al Jazeera are reporting of these African immigrants, Nigerians and others, saying they have a video of actually African immigrants being kicked off of trains in Poland as they were trying to flee. This is an Al Jazeera headline. Nigerian students reported guards giving priority to Ukrainians on evacuation trains and denying entry to Poland, which has taken in 327,000 Ukrainians on evacuation trains and denying entry to Poland, which has taken in 327,000 Ukrainians. Roland, first of all, welcome back. Great work in Liberia. We're really happy that you were there. And you underscored a point about our connections. The fact is that we do live in an international

world. What happens here happens there. What did Dr. King say, the mutual garment, mutuality, and that's where we are. So given that, we as Black folks have to care about what's happening in Ukraine. And as Omicongo says, we also have to step up for our Black folks, brown folks, who are stuck in Ukraine and who are essentially experiencing global anti-Blackness. And that's what it is, global anti-Blackness. Now, when we look at this nonsense, and that's what it is, a nonsense of differential treatment, what we have to look at is the ways that the United States can play a role in stopping this anti-Blackness. If we're sending money over there, which we are, we're not sending troops, but we are sending money, there have to be conditions. And the conditions are that people

are treated equally. I mean, we're going into Ukraine or engaging with Ukraine because we oppose what Putin, with his nasty self, and Russia are doing. We're opposed to it, because they're basically taking over a sovereign country. But then when you expel people, when you say you have human rights for Ukraine, well, what about the black folks like the young brother and his family that you just interviewed, or so many others? If you believe in human rights,

then you must believe that if there's a queue to get on a train... In fact, the video that we're playing is from Twitter of African immigrants stranded at the train station. Exactly. So our money has to come with conditions. And the conditions have to be that you treat black people in Ukraine who are trying to leave there the same way you treat Ukrainians and Polish people

and other people. It is unconscionable, and I, you had a young sister on earlier, Jelena Porter, I believe her name was, who talked about what the Biden administration is doing. One of the things that they must do if we, as Black people

who are taxpayers, support this, is they must say we will treat people equally. We insist on that. This picture is, Roland, it reminds me of the police officer who took the young sister by her dreads and pulled her. We can't have that when we're spending money. That's just 56 million or more money going to Ukraine. I ain't have that when we're spending money. That's just 56 million. Is it a million or a billion? Anywhere. More money going to Ukraine. I'm mad at them.

I'm mad at them. They deserve it. But they also deserve to treat Black people fairly. And to your point, what we have been, I mean, look, we've had members of Congress talking about an aid package for Ukraine, for that region, for that region,

for humanitarian purposes, anywhere from $4 to $6 to $7 billion. So, yeah, America can absolutely put conditions on that as well. And any time we document, any time we document this kind of disparate treatment, what we also ought to say, okay, we were going to give you $6 billion. Now we're going to give you $5.9. And every time we see some of this nonsense, $5.8, $5.7, $5.6.

What do you want, your survival or equality? You must treat black people fairly. And this is video from a couple of days ago of stranded African immigrants as they were hiding in tunnels there in Ukraine. And the thing there, Jeff, many people may be asking, okay, well, why are they there? African immigrants as they were hiding in tunnels there in Ukraine. And the thing there, Jeff, many people, I mean, people may be asking, OK, well, why are they there? Well, guess what? They're students. They're studying to be engineers, doctors. It's cheaper for them to go to college, go to school there. And so that's the thing. I mean, it was very interesting when I was when I was traveling.

We were flying and we flew, left the United States. And so there was like a 3D image there on our Air France plane as we were approaching Paris. And there's so many people here, frankly, let's just be honest, who ain't never left the country. They ain't never seen the map. And the thing that's interesting when you talk about these countries, when you talk about the proximity, if you will, of these countries, I mean, so, you know, we think in terms of just states here

in the United States, as opposed to, I mean, so take a look at this map right here, all right? And so if y'all could zoom in, that'd be great. And so when you look at where Ukraine is, and so when you think about Hungary, Austria, France, I mean, literally the distance from Ukraine to Paris, hell, it's shorter than going from the East Coast to the West Coast here in the United States. And so that's the thing that we don't realize. So there are a significant number of African immigrants who are all across Europe in all of those countries. Well, you also look at proximity.

I mean, you already said it. And when we connect this thing globally, as both Brother Omecongo and Sister Julianne spoke about, this connection, if you tilt that camera down or you zoom that map down, what's below the boot heel of Italy? You see North Africa, right? So we're not far away. We're not talking about a country

that is separated from a continent like we are separated here in America. This diaspora notion of understanding who we are and how we are connected is important anytime we analyze geopolitics and we say, where's Ukraine? What does Ukraine have to do with us? Well, look, Ukraine regionally

is on the top to the north of Africa. Yeah. So on this map right here, on this map right here, you'll see it. So you'll see Ukraine is at the top there. And then you'll see, look, Algeria, Morocco. So when you look at where Turkey is and where Syria, Iraq, and all of a sudden you go into Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco. Yeah. Indeed. And that's where it is. So that's where people are. But you also look at Ukraine and you talk about Ukraine from a space of exit from the former Soviet Union. And you look at 1990, 1991, when you had this USSR, some elected officials have still referred to Russian President Vladimir Putin as a Soviet and the Soviet Union. There's got to be a memo to go out for that for elected officials. But when you talk about them proclaiming their independence in 1990, 1991,

what do they have to offer to the world? This is why you have to understand supply chain issues. Many of us are feeling the pain. I've got the minivan fueled up yesterday, and I said something has changed in this world because this gas is killing me. It's gone up 10 cents a gallon on a national average here. When you talk about Belgium, you talk about France, you talk about Germany, they have absorbed the punishment and have been willing to absorb the punishment at the gas pump because of what they received from Russia and from them saying, we're going to have these sanctions in place, but we're going to feel it over here. Ukraine, number one in uranium reserves that are recoverable, number one in Europe in the production of ammonia. You want a clean house around the world. That's going to affect the supply chain. Number three in the production of

corn. How do you like your corn? Do you want to be able to roast some corn this summer? This is a supply chain issue for the entire world. And this is why we have to come together to understand that a country that you don't really hear about in our daily conversation is also responsible for 75,000 pounds of bee production every single year, something that affects the agrarian economy all over the world. This is a key piece of real estate, and that is why Vladimir is over there, Putin, on the rest of Europe to try to gain control of this space. Thankfully, we have this conversation going in a place like this. This is how powerful the internet is. Absolutely. I want to go to Kimberly St. Julia Garnon. She is an expert in race and blackness in USSR and also is a review editor for H-Ukraine. And so glad to have you here.

First and foremost, just give us your thoughts and perspective on the racial dynamics that we are seeing play out there as these African immigrants are trying to get out of Ukraine, the resistance they're getting in Poland and how they're being treated. So for people who have no understanding of this part of the world. Thank you for having me. And unfortunately, for someone who does know a lot about this part of the world, this isn't surprising. So the issues of racism that we're seeing at the Polish border in particular, but there are also some reports at the Hungarian border. I was worried about this last week when the threat of war was possible. So Ukraine, unfortunately, and Poland and Russia, you know, a lot, all of them have problems with anti-Black racism, but also anti-Roma racism. But Ukraine also does have a very large African student

population. There's also an Afro-Ukrainian population. And so what we're seeing playing out at the border is kind of the worst case scenario. You have the chaos of war. You also have a very understaffed border, you know, bureaucracy in both Ukraine and in Poland. And so I've been following online some of the videos that have been posted about what's going on at the border. And so the racism that we're seeing, it's not surprising. It's actually, you know, kind of to be expected. But what has been a pleasant surprise is I've been following particularly an African student who was taught, he's been posting for the past three days, but he posted today that they did, that his group,

they did make it over the Polish border and they were treated very well by the Poles and by the Ukrainians on the other side. It seems that they're having their problems with these officials. So you're kind of seeing a new form of more structural racism. It's not new, but you're seeing a new form of racism on the Polish border that are really impacting these African students, but also Roma students, Roma residents. So it's very complicated. But the racial dynamics, I think, are really clear. And unfortunately, this is not new for Eastern Europe. Poland has had problems with anti-Black racism. And just, you know, in December, we saw Syrian refugees freezing to death on the Belarus-Polish border because Poland wouldn't let them in and Belarus didn't want them. So unfortunately, this was predictable just from that episode alone in

December, but from the long history we've seen, especially over the past 10 years of kind of anti-Black racism in this part of the world. And also for folks to understand, Vladimir Putin is a white nationalist. Oh, yes. Vladimir Putin believes in a white world. That's why it's no shock to see so many Republicans touting and praising Vladimir Putin. Oh, yes. And I've written about this so often. Some of the white supremacist language we see in the United States, it's them parroting what they, you know, I'm sorry, in Russia is what we've seen in the United States. You see a lot of shared talking points between

the right in Russia and the right in America and all of them, what they have in common is this dedication to white supremacy. And so when we see how Putin talks about Ukraine, and one of the reasons he looks down on Ukraine is because Ukraine has always been a multilingual, multi-ethnic state. And so we should, and when people ask me why should I care about Russia if I'm black in America, because Putin's talking points become the talking points of bots that are undermining our democracy in 2016. So we have to pay attention to this because he's using American understandings of race and white supremacy to undermine our democracy, but also to harm people of color inside of Russia. Well, it's very interesting to watch all of this play out on the Congo and to see

how so many folks on the right are fully embracing of this. There was a poll that was taken where 6% of Trump voters are praising President Joe Biden for his leadership when it comes to this. And it's interesting. So, you know, Bill Maher said last week that we should really be sensitive and to really try to persuade the people who voted for Trump. And I'm going, no, no, no, no. Because when you listen to their rhetoric, I mean, you turn on Fox News, thank God for Jen Griffin, who is doing a hand-to-hand combat, because they got folks on the air who say, oh, no, let Putin take Ukraine. It's no big deal. Let him have it. I mean, people need to understand. I talk about my book coming out in the fall called White Fear.

These folks want a white world. Everything that we're talking about with the changing demographics in the United States, Europe has been dealing with that for the past decade. And there's been a severe backlash in France, in Italy, in Germany, in all of these countries of African immigrants coming because also the white folks are dying off. Yep. Oh, absolutely. And it's very interesting, going to your first part about the Republicans.

You know, Malcolm Nance talks about this a lot. These Republican senators and these leaders of these white supremacist groups, they're in Russia on the regular. And these congressmen, they have strong relationships with Russia. He said once that Donald Trump, they've been surveilling him since there was a Soviet Union, since 1977 when he

married Ivanka. So they've always had their fingernails deep into these Republican spaces and places. And like our professor said here, they are just parroting everything. This is what we're talking about, Viktor Orban. This is a global movement right now of white supremacy. And in the United States, it's Tucker Carlson, who's on Russia TV, like, nightly now, and Donald Trump, who are the ringleaders in the United States. I think it's also important to remember

that when we talk about these African immigrants, so many people, not here tonight, but want to paint Africans as people who are over there just because their situation at home is terrible and they want to get out there and get help? No. Let's also remember that a lot of these European countries are geostrategically trying to get on the African

continent and the world to continuously exploit us for our resources. And Russia's doing the same thing. China's doing the same thing. I mean, these were the foundations of slavery trying to exploit Africa for its resources. So people can't just look at it as these are some poor African immigrants just over there trying to better their lives. These European countries, whether we're talking about Italy, whether we're talking about France, whether we're talking about the Ukraine, whether we're talking about Russia, they are trying to build their strategic alliances with the African continent as well. And so these African nations need to realize that they are stronger than they know as it relates to the bargaining

power that they have in terms of demanding respect from these countries. And that's why I'm glad that these stories are getting out, because quite honestly, Roland, I've been driving around a lot today, just getting the kids around and all of that. All of these networks I was listening to haven't heard one story about how we're being treated over there. Well, and the thing that is important here, when we talk about what we're seeing, when we talk about what is developing, and again, I love these people who say,

oh, you shouldn't really talk about these things. Kimberly, you cannot ignore whiteness. You cannot ignore that. When you heard, when you listen to the language, the CBS News correspondent who called the area civilized compared to Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean, people listen to the words that are being used to describe this. There was a video floating around, a Ukrainian official talking about fighting for white, blonde, blue-eyed folks there in Ukraine. Listen to what people are saying. You know, Roland, one of the things that's important to understand is the history of black people in Europe.

We've been in Europe forever. Uh, there are documentation from the 16th, 17th century when they were taking our people to Europe. So to act like we're foreigners, no. Just like we built these United States, we have been woven into European history, and the ignorance that flows from mainstream media is galling. Kimberly?

I agree. And I think it's important to recognize, like, there is an Afro-Ukrainian population, and they've been there, you know, for decades. There is a large Afro-Russian, you know, population. So when people like to portray Ukraine as white, they're erasing these populations. You know, but as I said on social media, let's understand that this is also about proximity to whiteness. And Ukraine has only recently been recognized as white. So this Ukrainian member of government who was saying, you know, white, blue eyed children, there actually aren't that many white, blue eyed children in Ukraine. But also this is a new ability to claim whiteness that Ukraine hasn't had for years. So Ukraine suffers from white supremacy just as, you know, African-Americans suffer from white supremacy.

So these people of color in Ukraine are constantly being erased in this conversation. And it's really harmful to them. Jeff? Yeah, indeed. I wanted to ask Dr. Kimberly because thank you so much for the work that you put in and the context that you bring into the conversation. Is there organization amongst people of African descent in Ukraine? Are there organizations that are pushing to make sure that there are equal rights there? What does the landscape look for global people of African descent there in Ukraine or Eastern Europe? So, unfortunately, and this is a problem when you work in Eastern Europe in general, particularly Ukraine and Russia, which is where I focus, you don't actually identify as a race

when it comes to census materials and things like that. So, we don't have a specific number. And if you know, how can you claim systematic racism if you don't have a number, right? So there are some groups that I've seen, like particularly at particular universities where there is a large contingent of African students, like in Lviv and Kiev and Kharkiv. And Kiev and Kharkiv are being bombarded right now. But there also is like a small but growing community for Afro-Ukrainians. I know there's one based in Kiev. So you do have these small groups, but they just don't have enough pull to kind of, you know, get these resources that are really

necessary that they need at the border. So what I've been trying to do through my social media is to compile consulate and embassy resources for various African countries for these students who, once they get to the border, they have a contact number or, you know, some type of information that they can have with them. But also, when people have asked me, you know, I have a cousin who's in Sumi, which was bombarded heavily for the past few days, you know, where can they go? You know, I have to say stay, because trying to get from eastern Ukraine or western Ukraine right now is very difficult. So, I think the social media presence is actually helping. So for those of us who aren't on the ground in Ukraine right now, we're still doing our part to help them because they don't have

those concrete groups on the ground. All right, then. Well, look, we certainly appreciate you joining us to offer perspective on this. We're going to continue to certainly watch what happens there. Kimberly St. Julian Varnon, thanks a bunch. Thank you. All right, folks. Got to go to a break. We come back. An Estee Lauder

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301-396-2525. So please, if you've got any information, please call the Baltimore City Police Department. All right, some breaking news out of Grambling. We were supposed to today talk with Hugh Jackson, who is the head football coach at Grambling, about the hiring of Art Bryles, of course, who is the former head coach at Baylor, who was fired after a massive sex scandal there involving a number of players who were accused of raping students. Again, very lurid charges. He's been out of football really for the last six years. He coached.

He got hired by a Canadian team, then was let go because of the outrage. And when he got hired at Grambling, that caused a lot of controversy. Doug Williams, the great at Grambling, stated that he could not support the team whatsoever. A lot of stuff going back and forth. Over the weekend, Hugh Jackson, who is, of course, the head football coach there, released this statement through his foundation, laying out the reasons why he chose to offer the job to Art Bryles.

And so what that letter says, folks, is this. Again, it came from his foundation. The Hugh Jackson Foundation has been dedicated to fighting against all forms of sexual abuse and exploitation, as well as other forms of racial and social bias. We have a clear understanding of the role that coaches and others who have a position of trust play in the lives of those they meet. Then he also said the recent hire of Coach Browse is a testament, scroll up please, is a testament to the importance of these key factors,

forgiveness, redemption, and enlightenment. That took place over the weekend. I got a phone call, though, last night that Browse was out as the office of coordinator, and about shortly before 6 p.m., a Grambling spokesman announced that Browse had resigned as office of coordinator. The thing here, Julian, that I said to a number of different people was that a lot of sports outrage,

obviously, over Browse being hired. But I said, look, folks got to remember, Grambling is a state institution. So the hiring has to get approved by Board of Regents. I said, once the politicians start weighing in, that is going to change. That's exactly what happened here. And so today, Browse stepped down. A lot of people have been very critical of Hugh Jackson and Grambling for hiring Art Browse because of his role there at Baylor. Your thoughts.

Should, it happened, of course, six years ago. There still is a steady lawsuit. But should Browse be given a shot to coach football again at a major university? Roland, not at this time. As long as the lawsuits are still there, there is something that's unresolved. There are people who are aggrieved, who are suing. Hiring him at a state university is a challenge and it will be challenged. I don't, I mean, the memo from Hugh Jackson is a good memo. It talks about redemption and forgiveness. And I

do think that that is important. People do deserve second chances. But at the same time, I think that when you are talking about a state university where taxpayer dollars are going to support that university, that people have to be enormously cautious about what they bring to the table. And so maybe in two, three, four years, maybe after the lawsuits are settled, but no, not right now. I think that his resignation was on time. It shows self-awareness. But frankly, I think that those who hired him had their heads in the sand. He may be talented. I'm sure he's talented.

You know I'm not a sports person. No, he is. I mean, look, he revived the Baylor football team, brought them to national prominence. He is an absolutely outstanding offensive mind. But the reality, Jeff, everywhere he's gone, efforts to hire him has been thwarted because many people say he should never coach young men again because of the issues with that

Baylor football team. Yes, indeed, and it's important to note that he wasn't found necessarily guilty of any NCAA infractions, but he was part of a culture and responsible for a culture of underreporting and protecting people who were committing these crimes. And so the jury's still out, as Dr. Malveaux said, but with redemption in mind, we're seeing a pattern here. There's tremendous amount of pressure to win football games. And when you have a guy who was coach of Baylor, as you said, he basically put Baylor on the map from 2008 to 2015. He had a record of 65 and 37. He had their first two Big 12 Conference Championships, won his game on New Year's Eve, was a hero, seen as a hero until the downfall came. And when the downfall came, we see this repeated pattern.

A Canadian team hired him in 2017. They had to relent to pressure. They had the pressure that came. They had to just say, we can't take this here. 2019, Southern Miss tried to hire him again. Again, when you get second and third chances like this, I will say it must be nice to get this many chances, right? So you get this chance in 2019. I will say it must be nice to get this many chances, right? So you get this chance in 2019.

I mean, it must be nice. But 2019, you get another chance. Southern Miss and Southern Miss said, you know, we're going to cave to pressure and we can't even bring you in. Grambling, Hugh Jackson, a brilliant offensive mind. He was down the street at my alma mater last year with my former student, Eddie George, and decided it was time for him to move forward with grambling, and he wanted to win. So he looks at Bryles and says, you know what? This guy has a proven record.

He tried it, but once again, the third strike has shown you that right at this time, he's just not hireable, no matter how much he wins on the field. There's something to say about how we are moving toward an evolutionary space where we are speaking up for women more. We're speaking up for Title IX issues that have been violated. And in this environment right now, it's just not time for him to step back on the football field.

You know what, Macongo? I think what Art Browse is going to have to do is, he is going to have to, and again, I've gotten lots of emails from folks talking about how they are singling him out in terms of these reports, how there were many other examples of abuse happening at Baylor that went beyond the five cases everybody keeps mentioning.

This is one of the things that, frankly, if you're Art Browse, you're going to have to actually lead your own battle to clear your name, because that has to take place. I just don't think, even it being six years later, I think five years from now he's going to get criticized. He is going to have to undertake a massive campaign for people to actually look at the facts of what happened. If he says he doesn't deserve to get all the blame for what took place,

he's gonna have to fight that battle himself. I just don't see any program being able to hire him and not get any criticism as a result. Yeah, and you're absolutely right. And that's what I've been thinking throughout this whole story. What has been his path to redemption publicly? Because there's a lot that he could have

been doing on his own to help rebuild his reputation, and I haven't seen much, especially with these lawsuits still pending. I think that if he's going to join a university of any sort again, he's going to have a university of any sort again, he's going to have to come in at a lower level. I don't understand why he would just be given this head coaching spot, right?

I mean, come in and start to work your way up. No, no, it's not a head coaching spot. In fact, he even was a head coach for a couple of years at a high school. So he's not coming back in as that. But again, what you're seeing here, folks, is saying in no capacity. I mean, look, he can come in as an assistant coach. They're saying, no, you can't be on the staff at all. Yeah, and look, this is where we're at nowadays.

I mean, look what happened with Felicia Rashad and her impeccable reputation and the backlash she caught just for expressing a small level of support for Bill Cosby. So that great story at Howard turned into a scandal. And this is not even close to what Bryles has been involved in as a leader of men. Look at Juwan Howard just a couple of weeks,

you know, one or two weeks ago. People are talking about when you're responsible for leading people, what type of culture are you creating? And Bryles hasn't seemed to be able to create anything different wherever he goes. And this is just not that climate, Roland. People are going back nowadays and pulling up stuff you did in college, pulling up stuff you did in high school, social media things. They will not let you forget anything. And another point that you made, which is extremely important, is the fact that oftentimes individuals will get caught up in other issues that are larger university-wide,

and the university is always going to take care of itself first, particularly when it comes to dealing with us who might be on the staff as faculty or coaches. We're pretty much expendable. So Browse has a lot of work to do. I think, quite honestly, he needs to go into a non-sports space and really start to build a platform that's based on showing real respect for women and real respect for creating men who are leaders and leave the sports thing alone because this is never going to go away. It's just, like you said, five years from now, we're still going to be talking about

it. So he needs to build his credibility somewhere else. He needs to get these lawsuits taken care of. And he just needs to realize that when it comes to this issue, society is unforgiving. It's just not like how it was 10, 15 years ago. And I think that is the case. And so, again, we were scheduled to actually have Coach Hugh Jackson and Coach Art Bryles on Roller Martin Unfiltered today to go through all of these various issues. But shortly before we went live, we got the notice,

the official notice, I've actually known for 24 hours, we got the official notice that Art Bryles has stepped down as the Office of Coordinator at Grambling State University. Folks, gotta go to a break. We come back. Oh, crazy-ass white people. What happens when you're a major executive at a makeup company? You made almost $10 million last year.

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Roland Martin Unfiltered. ...as a New York man has finally been granted a new trial after maintaining his innocence for more than 24 years. Anthony Sims says he is serving time for a crime he did not commit. He was convicted in 1999 of killing a Chinese immigrant in Brooklyn. Sims says his friend

was responsible for the shooting and ironically was a lone witness at the 1999 trial. Now a new witness's account has opened the doors for the new trial. No official date has been set. Also folks, Missouri's school board reverses the decision to ban Toni Morrison's book, Bluest Eyes. In January, the Wentzville School District banned the book after one parent complained about the book's content.

A lawsuit was filed by the ACLU challenging the ruling, demonstrating books by white heterosexual authors exploring the same subject matter remain available to students. Ten days later, the school board reversed the decision. This is one of many school districts trying to ban books white parents say are pushing critical race theory.

Julian, these things are happening, and what's stupid to see these largely Republican legislators, these white legislators, support this. One parent complains, and all of a sudden, oh, my God, the world has ended. What shall we do? And so let's just start banning books. Again, these white folks are losing their minds. No, they never had minds.

What they're doing is sitting there clutching their pearls. Oh, it's so horrible that my child would learn about Black people, that my child would learn about rape or incest. These people are so clueless that it's beyond ignorant, Roland. The fact is that the resistance

has come. As a sister from Ukraine was talking earlier about the shifting demographics not only in the United States, but also all over the world, as the demographics have shifted, white folks are clutching their pearls and saying, oh, my, white supremacy is falling. Oh, hell, yeah, white supremacy is falling. And that's why we have at Cal State LA the second college of ethnic studies in the nation. That's why we have folks who are taking us from margin to center in the words

of the late, great Bell Hooks. That's why... This is just nonsense. One parent should not be able to stop a book. Okay, tell your child they can't read the book if you want your child to be ignorant. But do not, uh, sue the whole school system. We're putting an inordinate burden

on the educational system when these vapid white parents are resisting reality. And that's what they're doing, is resisting reality. It's not critical race theory, it's culturally responsive teaching. That's what people are doing

because critical race theory is not taught in K-12. But this was their strategy. Omicongo, I kept telling people this. I said their strategy had nothing to do with critical race theory. It was to group anything and everything under that banner.

Anything dealing with diversity, anything that's black, anything that's... That was their whole strategy. That's right. I mean, we're talking first grade books about Rosa Parks, books about Malala, like anything with black and brown they went for. I know one of these congressmen has a list of over 800 books that he wants to ban. And the sad part is, Roland, is that they are still winning. I'm in these schools every single day, K-12, public charter, private schools.

These teachers who I've been working with for years now, they're even scared to even think about introducing a lesson because of the backlash. I talked to one sixth grade teacher who said a parent told him, yeah, talk about Dr. King. That's cool. But don't talk about Malcolm. You know, he's one of the bad guys. And, you know, they feel so emboldened to be able to go and do this. And that particular teacher, he wasn't like, well, I'm going to teach both. He ended up doing it. But he was like, I don't know what to do because I don't want to lose my job. I don't want my school to end up as a social media hashtag. And these teachers are getting

burned out because they don't feel like they're getting enough support. So with this story with the blue aside, we have to understand that. And kudos to whoever fought to get that back on the shelves. But quite honestly, Roland, we have to do that for every single book in every county, for every state, because they are not going to stop. And I'm working with the American Association of School Librarians right now, and they're telling me stories about how they're getting reported for bringing up things. Like, people are looking at possibly putting cameras in classrooms

in some of these schools. I'm going down to Kentucky in June to work with the librarians down there. This is a fight, and as soon as we drop our guard, we're losing because we dropped our guard. And now that we've seen where they're at with this, we can never let our guard get dropped again because they will ban everything. And now they're adding LGBTQ plus studies into all of this as well

because they know start with black people. And when you can get away with that, then we can lump it all in. We got to keep fighting every single day. And you're right, Roland, you've been warning us about this. And Jeff, look, when you look at the folks who are behind me, Ida B. Wells-Barnett, when you see her, Harry Belafonte celebrating his 95th birthday, will actually be in New York City broadcasting live tomorrow

from the celebration. Of course, James Baldwin as well. I mean, look, bottom line is they do not want any of this. If you're sitting here trying to stop Dr. King from being taught, oh, you can forget James Baldwin. You can forget Ida B. Wells Barnett talking about lynching. And you can certainly forget the things that Harry Belafonte has been fighting for. Indeed.

And this is something, I don't want us to take this too lightly, because this is something that's going on and it's organized. It's an organized campaign. I was driving through St. Louis a few months ago. And as I was coming over the bridge, I was listening to, of all things, the Moody Bible Network, which I don't normally listen to. But something said, tune in today. And I heard a commercial for several organizations who were organizing parents, and when I say parents, white parents, around Christian values. And they were sending you to a website. I've lost the piece of paper I wrote the website down on. But the website

was training you on how to speak using critical race theory to cover your true intentions, which is white supremacy. It was teaching you how to organize and to fill up the public speaker moments that they give you and they allow you at school boards. And it was launching a training organization that was an institute to train people who have the same values. Once again, that quotation values has been here with us through the beginning of the show when we talked about Ukraine and the values of people versus our people.

But they're training people to run for and, and this was a quote, to take over local school boards. So when we see this level of organization, we have to be mindful that, as Omikongo said, we can't drop the ball on this because the other side is organized. And when you see these demonstrative actions taking place at school boards, whether it's here in Davidson County or it's down the street at Williamson County, you have people there who are tying up the microphone time, who are talking about the books that they don't want their children to read. Then a reporter who's smart asks a person, how many children do you have in the school system? And they say, well, I don't have any kids. I'm just here speaking out, acting as if they're parents too. So when we talk about the bluest eye, when we talk about teaching history in the schools and just teaching factual history, we cannot allow ourselves to fall into a space that a DJ here locally fell into when he said,

oh, this is why we need critical race theory in the schools. No, stop using the terms that they are using as a blanket term to erase us. Study what critical race theory is and what it's not. What's happening right now has nothing to do with critical race theory is and what it's not. What's happening right now has nothing to do with critical race theory. It has to do with suppression and oppression and not telling our stories and erasing us from the history.

Uh, same reason why I kept telling the Obama people, -"Stop using Obamacare." -"Yes." I'm like, you using their words. -"No, they ain't listening." -"Yes." All right, y'all, you know what time it is? Those girls are allowed. I'm white. I got you, Carl.

Illegally selling water without a permit. On my property. Whoa! Hey! Give me your ID. I'm uncomfortable. All right, y'all. John Dempsey, longtime executive with Estee Lauder,

executive vice president. Last year, he made $9.6 million. Well, over the weekend, he decided to share a few memes, and this is one of the memes that John posted. You know, I don't use the N-word, but basically what it said is, my nigga Snuffy done got the Rona at a Chingy concert. Well, let's just say that caused a few problems.

And so therefore, Estee Lauder said, we've got a problem. Do y'all have his apology on his Instagram page? Please pull the apology up. This is what his apology on his Instagram page? Please pull the apology up. This is what he posted on his Instagram page after this thing went a little buck wild. He said that he is terribly sorry and deeply ashamed that he hurt so many people, but I made a terrible mistake of carelessly reposting a racist meme without reading it beforehand. There are not enough words to express my remorse and sorrow. And so he goes on and on and on, how he's dedicated his life to what?

Blah, blah, blah. Don't judge me. Nothing's off a mistake for my lifetime of words. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Now, here's the problem, y'all. Here's the problem with what doesn't work. So let me explain to you how this thing works. In fact, do y'all know how hard it is to actually repost a meme? Do y'all know it's not? Matter of fact, let me do it.

Hold on. Let me see here. Let me see if I'm going to go goal here. So give me a second. I was about to load something Let me save this draft so let me go over here. All right, so perfect example, so Let me go over here so watch it ain't It's not hard. I'm first of all, it ain't easy. Okay, I know how to do it. Y'all, it ain't... It's not hard. First of all, it ain't easy, okay? I don't know how to do it.

So it's not easy. It's not easy. So let me do this here. Right. I didn't turn my monitor around. Let me see if this works. Matter of fact, I'm going to do this here. Let me do this here.

I'm going to keep talking. I got to get the right device. Y'all, this is pretty hilarious for homeboy saying how difficult, how he just feels so horribly. You know, he didn't read it beforehand. First of all, the only way he could have posted that thing is if he read it. So, I mean, he would have had to actually read it. For some reason, I don't have the right device for my phone.

Damn it. So, understand this here. So, if you're going to do something, you got to literally copy. You got to copy the link on your phone. You then have to go to a repost app, and then it pops up. And then what happens, you have to then go to the next page to click download. Then you click share. Then it goes to your Instagram page. Then you decide whether you want to put it on your feed or on your storyline. Then you click that, then it goes to the next page, and then you repost the content, then

you hit send. That's a whole lot of steps to do. A repost of a meme on Instagram ain't like retweeting something on Twitter. Ain't even remotely the same. So to say, oh, I ain't know my bad, I ain't read it, pull it up again.

It's two lines. It's 11 words. He said, I ain't read it. It's 11 words he said i ain't read it it's 11 words no you thought that shit was funny yep i don't personally think it's funny but i'm like you cost yourself a $9.6 million a year job? Reposting that meme? You should have been fired for being stupid. Now, Julian, if you go to his page, his apology page, there's a whole bunch of black people on there.

John, I've known you for quite some time. You're a great guy. I'm so sorry. Look, I've known you for quite some time. You're a great guy. I'm so sorry. Look, I ain't sorry. Hey, hey, I ain't sorry. Now Estee Lauder, like, oh, Lord, what we gonna do? They done announced they gonna give $5 million to all

kind of other, you know, all of a sudden, write a check. Write a check. They gonna give $5 million. You know, $5 million and stuff. I mean, you name it. All that sort of stuff. And again, he was told, leave the company,5 million and stuff. I mean, you name it. All that sort of stuff. And again, he was told, leave the company, Julian. He retired. So I don't know if he'll get a golden parachute,

but I'm not buying this. I ain't read it. Come on. He read it. Like you said, well, you have had to teach me how to do stuff with my phone. We've been on set together. I am a internet idiot and I own it. Uh, so, you know, I couldn't do that. If I wanted to repost something, I couldn't do it. I

had to get one of my youngers to come do it for me. He, it took work for him to do that. He was into that. That's what he thought. That's what he felt. And that's why he shared it. Frankly, I ain't buying no more Estee Lauder cosmetics. I don't care. I didn't buy that baby up anyway. But I don't care that he apologized. What I care is that there's a culture of this kind of BS in that company, that he felt free enough to do it. Even the... the hoodiest... the hoodiest Klan member who worked for a woke company knows that you don't do that. Even with your pointy hat, you know that you don't do that. He felt free to do it.

And the only reason that he apologized is because the behind got busted. So you're right, this is what you call a crazy-ass white person who cost himself $10 million a year, and I hope that they did not give him a parachute, but I hope that they did not give him a parachute, but I hope sisters also say, we ain't buying that mess no more.

We just have to start voting with our dollars. Well, first of all, you're absolutely right, and Jeff, look, for me, how I operate is very clear in terms of I don't allow people to use the N-word on my social media page at all.

And in fact, when I'm reposting stuff, if somebody has the N word in something I'm reposting, I don't. So I'm trying to figure out, dude, you didn't know what the dot, dot, dot, dot was? Like, it was the N and the A. You ain't know what the dot, dot, dot was? And all of the black friends that are defending you on your Twitter feed, they don't love you enough

and they aren't authentic enough to tell you what those two dots are? If you have legitimate black friends, they will tell you, hey, man, listen, don't do that. You may think it's funny, but don't do that. When we think about forgiveness, we talked about that a little bit earlier today, but also think about what true forgiveness is and not when you get caught, but when you have to make amends. When I work with people in the recovery community,

when you see the movies, when people are sitting in a group, the first thing they say is, my name is fill in the blank, and I am. And they tell you what they're dealing with, and they're honest with it. That's an honest understanding of who you are and where you are.

I think we got to move to a place where people can give honest and heartfelt apologies and just tell the truth. I will show you. I will demonstrate right now. My name is Reverend Jeff Obafumi Carr. And I will admit that perhaps because of some of my training and some of the pictures I've been seeing over the last five days, that when you put that picture of John Dempsey up, I thought it was Vladimir Putin in his office. And so I made a mistake, but they looked a lot alike to me when they were in that space. So listen, hey, maybe that's just me. I apologize for mixing them up when I saw the picture. But I also say that apologies have to come from a real place. Now, if John Dempsey would have said,

I thought it was funny, something's wrong with me, obviously. I need to talk to somebody. I need to get some psychological help. Something is wrong. You're going to get more traction if you're authentic and you admit what is really going on than you will to give the standard canned response of, I didn't know, especially when you're in and you admit what is really going on, then you will to give the standard canned response of I didn't know, especially when you're in the Internet age and everybody knows that you have to read and go through several steps to repost a meme.

In terms of this golden parachute, I think language is important, too. The thesis that comes from John Dempsey is or that comes from Estee Lauder is, you got to go. Yeah. And synthesis is, I want to stay. Listen to the language, though. The synthesis that we've heard is not he's fired, it's we agree. So there's some kind of deal that's been made where he's walking away with some kind of salary.

So this goes to what Sister Malvo said, we've got to make sure that we don't support companies like that who are going to be able to give people the space where they can agree to leave as opposed to get the door slammed in their face. Omokongo? Absolutely. And, you know, Estee Lauder pledged to do so much after everything happened with George Floyd.

I'm looking at Forbes, and they're talking about they had 94% of its staff got racial bias courses. They had 9.2 percent new hiring that were filled by Black people. Doesn't say if it was management, though. So, you know, but they talked about all these things they're going to do. And this is a major setback for a company that has had a history of racial ignorance and bias, from their skin lightening cream to their hiring practices to their advertising. And so even if they've made some strides since 2020 with the George Floyd and their commitment to Black Lives Matter, they also had one of their heirs and board member, Ronald Lauder, contribute to the Trump

campaign in 2020. So there's like one step forward, two step backwards. And we got to march with our feet. We got to march with our dollars to make sure that they're called out. And he should not have had the opportunity to resign like we're all saying. He should have been fired. He doesn't get to walk away with millions for some ignorance like this. He said, there's not enough words to express my sorrow. There's not enough words on the meme.

Like you said, 11 words. Read the thing and don't share that joint. So, uh, as you were think-talking about, again, what Estee Lauder's announced that they're gonna do financially, um, uh, what Estee Lauder's announced that they're going to do financially, I wasn't going to do this here, but I do want to segue into a real quick Where's Our Money segment. So roll it. We've been frozen out.

Facing an extinction level event. We don't fight this fight right now. You're not going to have Black Army. So I want y'all to go to my Instagram page right now, and I want you to click the logo. Click the photo where it says H-E-B. And the reason I want you to click that, not the control room, I'm talking about people who are watching. I want y'all to click that because I want y'all to understand

how we are not fully and properly focused on the right thing. And so if you actually go to my page and you'll see me talking about HBO, excuse me, H-E-B, what you're going to see is you're going to see one hundred and three likes. And then what you're going to see is you're going to see about nine or ten comments on this. Now, if you go back a little bit earlier, you're going to see a video that I reposted from HBCU app of an alpha just stepping. It has 202,811 views. It has 623 comments.

Now, my friend is getting it in. But one of the posts is a repost of an alpha stepping. The other post is me talking about how we potentially should be accessing more than a billion dollars from a company like H.E.B. So what got me to talking about this was this year. I saw the story. This happened in November, but it's gotten some attention as well. So pull it up, please. The founder of the chairman of HEB, Charles Butt, announced he's creating a $5 million endowed scholarship at Prairie View A&M University that would result in $200,000 annually being awarded for scholarships for students to attend, who attend public high schools in Texas.

And this is absolutely important. I support it 100% wholeheartedly. But I have consistently said on this show, I've consistently said on social media, that we spend way too much time praising white philanthropy and not spending enough time in demanding investment in black-owned companies. So I want you to understand something here, folks, and I want you to listen to me very clearly.

HEB does $28 billion annually in sales. I'm from Texas. It's a Texas grocery store chain. $28 billion. So this is a $5 million scholarship, which I absolutely support. But here's the question that we should be asking H-E-B and Kroger, and asking every grocery store, and asking every company, asking Nike, asking Adidas, asking all these companies, asking Estee Lauder. How much are you spending with black-owned companies? How much are you spending with black-owned media,

black transportation companies, black catering companies, black PR companies, black event manager companies. See, what I need everybody watching to understand is somebody can give us $5 million for scholarships, very important, but if they're spending billions of dollars on an annual basis, imagine then if, let's say, again, let's say on the supply diversity side, let's say the capacity was there to spend anywhere from $100 to $250 million annually with black-owned companies. That means over a five-year period, over a five-year period, anywhere from $500 million to $1.25 billion will be flowing to black-owned companies. Five million in scholarships, $500 million to $1.25 billion. Do y'all see what's wrong with this picture?

We are elated with the scholarship. We are elated when they buy tables at our events. We are elated when there's a souvenir ad in the booklet. What I'm trying to get you to understand is that when we stop focusing on the big money, they got us on the small money. Now, I'm going to go here with something, and y'all know I do not use the N-word, but I'm only going to quote Don King in this. If you read Jack Neufeld's book on Don King, Don King often screwed his boxers, especially his black boxers.

And so Don King understood the street mentality of his boxers. So what Don King would do is, Don King would give his boxers a wad of cash with a rubber band around it. Don King called it, quote, nigga rich. So they from the street. So they driving around while

they in their pocket. They go into the pool hall. They go into the bar. They pull that wad out, peeling off hundreds, feeling great. Don handed them a wad with 10 grand, but he owed him a million. They ignored the million and was happy with the 10. He tells a story in the book. Muhammad Ali was in the hospital.

He was suing Don King for a million dollars. Don King didn't want to pay the million dollars. So Don King put $50,000 in a briefcase, gave it to a friend of Ali's who went to the hospital. He said, Ali, you know what? You really shouldn't be suing Brother Don. Y'all can work this thing out. You know what? Why don't you take this here and drop the lawsuit? So he opens the briefcase and Ali is sitting in the hospital and he sees $50,000 sitting in the briefcase. Ali, all right, man, takes the 50, but was suing Don for more than a million. Because he saw the 50.

All I'm trying to say, black folks, is when these companies flash $250,000, $500,000, a million dollars at us, stop getting excited over that small money. And what you should be asking is, where the big money? What you should be saying is, if we get contracts on an annualized basis, hell, we could fund our own scholarships. See, we too often are falling for white philanthropy over black investment. And see, you got some Negroes out there who are sitting here saying, oh, man, all you doing is begging these white folks for money. No. You know why?

Because, sisters, y'all buying Estee Lauder makeup. We shopping at HEB. We buy Toyotas. We use Amazon. We are tremendous consumers. All I'm trying to do of dollars, billions of dollars. Yet, if I posted about the cancellation of a so-called black show on a white network like I did our kind of people, my Lord. There will be hundreds of thousands of likes and thousands of comments,

which means that we are focused on the wrong thing. We are that boxer who Don King gave a lot of money to. I'm just trying to tell y'all, if we want to change where we're going, we have to change this. And we've got to stop letting people get us with small money. And we rejoice, yell, holler and scream. And we don't ask the next question is. How much should we be getting? That's why, as Malcolm X said, as DeZell said in the movie Malcolm X, no, I'm not satisfied. It's way too many of us are satisfied with small money.

Just saying. Y'all might want to think about that. Going to a break. When we come back, we're going to talk with Dr. Avis Jones DeWeaver about the kickoff of Women's History Month. And also we'll talk about a black skin care company. We'll talk about taking care of your black skin. Yeah, I know y'all think, yo, D-E-W, black don't crack.

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What's up? I'm Lance Gross, and you're watching Rolling Markets. All right, folks, March is Women's History Month, and, of course, there are a number of events, activities taking place all throughout the month. The focus is on women. Now, y'all know how I feel about this. Just like Black History Month, the reality is you can focus on women 365, seven days a week. But it's when it is highlighted. Joining us right now, Dr. Avis Jones-DeWeaver, who joins us.

Avis, again, you know, the opportunity is always to highlight stories that may not get told on a consistent basis as well. But there certainly are challenges that black women face, even when it's history, Women's History Month. Hell, just even getting black women be a part of the month. You got that right. But what is really special about this Black History Month is it is one of the first where the first day of which we recognize is Black Women's Appreciation Day. Actually, Girl Trek came up with that name a couple of years ago. And so I'm excited about the first day of Black Women's History Month. People are already saying Black... Women's History Month, people are already saying

Black History Women's Month. But Women's History Month, because it's a day that's set aside specifically to appreciate Black women. And let's just be real. There's a lot to appreciate about Black women. Uh, and, uh, and one of the things that, in terms of on this day, I mean, so what is actually happening?

What is being, uh... What is taking place? Uh, what is being done with programs What is being, what is taking place? What is being done with programs, social media? What's going on? Absolutely. So in recognition of Black Women's Appreciation Day, I'm actually holding an event called Do You? A Revolution in Black Womanhood.

And specifically, I'm focusing on the challenges that Black women face at work. Now, Black women face a very specific set of challenges at work. We are the most likely to say that we feel disres face at work. Now, Black women face a very specific set of challenges at work. We are the most likely to say that we feel disrespected at work. We are the least likely to say that we have access to quality time, so to speak, with a senior-level person in our job, which makes it very difficult for us to form the relationships that we need in order to climb that ladder. And we're the least likely to say that we have a sponsor in our job. So all of those things make work very difficult

for us, even though we're the most likely woman of all women to work. And so I'm having a specific event in which I'm really breaking down for the sisters around how to be able to leverage their power in the workplace and live a life that they love without compromising their authenticity and who they really are. And, of course, we're seeing that take place a lot. You deal with this in your book, of course, How Exceptional Black Women Lead. And what we are seeing is we're seeing an increasing focus on leadership development,

on sisters also helping other sisters and developing them what they do. Absolutely. And it's absolutely necessary because let's just get real. Oftentimes when there are programs developed that focus on diversity, black women are left behind. When there are programs that are focused on gender diversity, Black women are left behind. So it is a special need there that we need to focus on to make sure that our specific issues are addressed. And that's so important that we do that, that it's really my main reason for making sure that I'm holding this virtual event tomorrow, specifically speaking to Black women about how to really not compromise who you are, but still be able to climb that ladder in terms of your career aspirations, still be able to get paid what you're worth,

which is a big thing for Black women. We rarely get that. And then how are we able to do all of that while also creating a holistic life that we love? Too often, we're not even on our own to-do list. I argue that in order for you to really make the biggest gains in your life, both in terms of your career as well as in your personal life, you have to put your desires first. And so when you do that, everything else needs to fall in place. And so that's what I'll be talking about tomorrow. All right. Where is it going to take place? How can people watch? Absolutely. So people can go to BlackWomenRevolution.com

singular. BlackWomenRevolution.com You can get all the information about the event there. It's going to happen online, so you can join me for free virtually tomorrow at 7pm Eastern. I look forward to going through all the deets with you then. All right then. Avis, thanks a lot.

Thank you. All right, folks.va, thanks a lot. Thank you. All right, folks, when we come back, we're gonna talk about Black Skin. Yeah. Yo, Black Skin. Mm-hmm. Somebody to take care of it. I told you.

Some of it's raggedy. And ashy. You're watching Roller Barton Unfiltered on the Black Star Network. Black Star Network is here. Oh, no punching! I'm real revolutionary right now. Black crowd.

Support this man, Black Media. He makes sure that our stories are told. Thank you for being the voice of Black America, Roller. Hey, Black, I love y'all. All momentum we have now, we have to keep this going. The video looks phenomenal. See, there's a difference between Black Star Network and Black-owned media and something like CNN. You can't be Black-owned media and be scape.

It's time to be smart. Bring your eyeballs home. You dig? All right, folks. The world of beauty and skin care is filled with myths and misinformation about black skin. Me, y'all here all the time. Black don't crack. Some of y'all shit crack.

And, of course, the struggle is to find what works for your black skin. It continues to grow despite efforts to diversify the industry. You know, I'm going to keep it real. Okay, you know that. I'm going to keep it real. Look, some people got some raggedy damn skin. Stop tripping. All right, let's talk to Dr. Alita Simmons.

She is the founder of Get the Skinny. She joins us there from where Jeff is in Nashville, Tennessee. Doc, how you doing? Good. How are you? All right, then. So, look, you got folk running around here talking about black don't crack. But, you know, look, we got some ashy people some oily people

uh we got some folk with subjective acne and some other stuff so let's just go ahead uh and deal with some of this uh when first the first thing is this notion that we do not sunburn yes we do. Yes, we do. And that messes up your skin. It does. Sunburns put you at risk for skin cancer, although skin cancer is something that we don't have to deal with as often. But the increased number of sunburns that you have can lead to increased risk of skin cancer down the line. All right, so now let's deal with this.

What is hyperpigmentation? What is that? Hyperpigmentation is something that we call dark spots in lay terms. So it can come from many skin conditions like acne, eczema, psoriasis, or it can come from trauma to the skin. So let's say you got a burn or just a scrape on the knee. It may show up as a dark spot after it heals. Okay. So how do we deal with that? Because I, okay, I, I, I have some of those issues because I play lots of golf and mosquitoes don't play. Uh, so all of a sudden

you'd be like, Oh damn. And then of course, when they itch, you scratch and then it causes problems. And so, uh, can you get rid of those dark spots? So it's twofold. Dark spots will get better with time for some people. Sunscreen will help dark spots not get darker and help them lighten, especially if it has iron oxide in it over time. And then we do have topical, oral, and chemical peels, lasers that will help with hyperpigmentation.

But it just depends on what it's from and what type. So it's good to see a board-certified dermatologist to categorize that. Because if it's in the surface of the skin, that may be easier to lighten, but if it's deeper in the dermis, which is underneath that top layer of skin, the pigment that's deposited there can be harder to improve. Got it. All right, so when, okay, so here's a question that they put in here, which, okay, gotta explain.

How do you figure out what type of skin you have? What the hell does that mean? So some people wanna know, is their skin oily? Is it dry? Is it a combination of the two? Or if it's in the middle, what people say, normal, it's not oily or dry. It just feels regular. So in order

to find out what type of skin you have, we kind of need to think about what you're already using. A lot of times people come into my office and they're putting like 10 different skin products on, right? What if you're already using. A lot of times people come into my office and they're putting like 10 different skin products on, right? What if you ain't using nothing? Just plain

water? Yeah. A lot of people do that. I remember when I was at CNN, I was sitting in the chair and the makeup artist was like, oh my God, your skin is so great. What do you use? I was like, uh, nothing. I'm like, uh, I washed my hair and, uh, so it's rolled down my face and the water run across. She's like, Oh, you don't do any

kind of exfoliating. I'm like, hell no. I'm like, we don't do, we don't do all that. So again, so again, and she's like, wow, but you have good skin. I'm like, yeah, thank mom and daddy. Yeah. Genetics. And that's a blessing. That's a blessing. So some people can just get away with just water. They don't need anything. Their skin stays clear with nothing. But for the rest of us, we need a good cleanser, moisturizer, and sunscreen during the day.

So I say cleanse, moisturize, and protect. So to find out if you are using the right moisturizer, you want a cleanser that's going to help you after you wash your face, about 30 minutes to an hour afterwards, that your skin feels regular. It doesn't feel dry. It doesn't feel oily in any places. If the opposite happens, you may need a new cleanser. And then you want to get a moisturizer

in that same framework. So if you have oily skin... Hold on. Hold on. We got to get a cleanser. We got to get a moisturizer. That's a whole lot of stuff we're doing. It's only three things.

Just three. First of all, we're already trying to brush our teeth. We're already trying to comb our hair. Now we're trying to moisturize. How many times a day we supposed to be doing this? Twice. So you can cut down your steps to two. So in the morning, you have a cleanser and your sunscreen.

That is also your moisturizer. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We put sunscreen on in the morning? In the morning, after you wash your face. For what? If you're going outside, if you're sitting in front of the computer. For Black folks, we're using sunscreen for anti-aging, right? The sun can bring out brown spots in the skin. The sun causes wrinkles and also kind of the breakdown of some of our support in the skin. The sun causes wrinkles and also kind of the breakdown of some of our support in the skin. Black may not crack as much, but it sags.

So sunscreen will help with the anti-aging process. And at night... You literally said put on sunscreen to sit in front of the computer? We're getting that blue light from the computer and that blue light can cause some aging. I know. Who the first set with questions? that blue light from the computer, and that blue light can cause some aging. Mm.

I know. Who got... All right, who the first set with questions? Who, uh, who want to go? Omicongo, Jeff, Julianne? Yeah, uh... I-I was wondering, um, Dr. Simmons, I really appreciate your work,

and the one thing I'm struggling with, though, and I need some advice, is the myth about shea butter. Like, real talk, like, if the world's coming to an end, they say you got to stock up on, like, beans and rice and water or whatever. I'm adding shea butter to the list. Like, I got it by the pound in my house. And you're saying that it's not the wonder cream that has been built to the Black community. So what should we be using? I know some Negroes who swear shea butter is like, you know, straight from Jesus.

Absolutely. What are we supposed to do? This is true. Listen, that's a great question. What I tell my patients is, if it's not broke, don't fix it. So if it's working for you, you can continue. But the problem comes is with people with skin problems like eczema or ps be breeding bacteria or other things that causes their skin condition to flare up. So for those patients, we recommend other moisturizers that may be beneficial to them along with medications to calm things down. So my philosophy is if you're using something and it's working for you and not causing you any problems, by all means, go for it. But if

it's causing you some problems, you need to come see me so we can talk about it. Julianne? Uh, yeah, sister, first of all, you look lovely. Your skin is beautiful. Uh, I want skin like that. Uh... My thing, Omicongo stockpiles shea butter. I stockpile coconut oil,

which I slather on my body on every occasion that I can. It's great for my feet. It's great for my hair. I'm not sure that it's so great for my face, but I love coconut oil. Tell me the pros and cons of my coconut oil, and should I be doing something different? So along the same lines as shea butter, coconut oil, shea butter. Some things can, especially on the scalp for coconut oil, can be occlusive or clogging up the pores. So on the scalp, you may have more dandruff. On the face, you may find that it's causing you to have acne because it's clogging your pores.

You want something, a moisturizer that's not going to clog your pores and lead to any problems. And some of these products do that. So a good oil is jojoba oil. It's lighter and tends not to cause acne and other problems. All right, Jeff. Yeah, man. First off, Dr. Simmons, thanks for everything that you do here in my home city. Read about you in Urbanite and seeing all the great work that you're doing to bring people into consciousness about skin and the work at Vanderbilt. Keep up the good work.

That shea butter and that coconut oil, I tried using both of them on my scalp. I went out and worked out and sweat, and it broke me out in my face. So these kind of things, all of this depends on the skin you have. My mom lived to be 93. She had the skin of a 40-year-old, and she put lard on her face growing up as a child. I can't do that. She put lard on her face. Some of y'all know about that.

They use lard for everything, including moisturizer and putting on their elbows and skin, and still came through. Some people just have the genetics. I got to make sure that I use the SP-15 and make sure that I shave with a straight razor, all of that, or I'll have sensitive skin. But how much does diet work into this? Is diet a factor in good, healthy skin? And what do you recommend people do if they're wanting to make dietary changes that help with skin care? So for diet, the one thing that we do know is for acne,

having a high glycemic index diet will make your acne flare. So that's like a lot of white sugar, bread, cookies, sweets, that will tend to make your acne flare. We recommend a well-balanced diet overall for just general health. So, but if you're having a skin condition, we usually need to treat that from the outside or from the inside out.

And sometimes that's not done directly with changing your diet and that you actually need a treatment plan and a treatment regimen for that. And I just wanted to address one thing that you said about the SPF. We actually recommend SPF at least 30 for daily use and reapply after a couple of hours. Now, Doc, look, I know some black folk who swear by this. They slap Vaseline on everything.

Now, it's called petroleum jelly. Should we be putting Vaseline on our legs, knees, elbows, arm, face? Vaseline is fine. It can also be occlusive on the face. So if you're acne prone or you get milia, which are little tiny bumps around your eye from the skin being oily, you might not want to use Vaseline on your face. But I like, or petroleum jelly.

I like petroleum jelly because it's cheap. And for patients who are looking for a good moisturizer that's going to stay with them, it's a good option, patients who are looking for a good moisturizer that's gonna stay with them, it's a good option, especially on your feet at night. Put that on there, put some socks on, it'll keep your feet moisturized. So petroleum jelly is also a go-to. Okay, is there a particular lotion that we should be using?

First of all, I keep lotion with me at all time. I cannot stand ashy-ass people. When I say I cannot stand it, matter of fact, my niece is lucky I do not have immediate access to a photo and a video I shot when I had to teach my two nieces how to apply damn lotion.

I got tired of their asses walking around my house ashy. I could not stand. Oh, no, if I had the photo, oh, she know exactly what I'm talking about. I'm talking about knees, like they were kicking flour. I can't stand it. In fact, my daddy, they work in the elections. He gonna watch this later. Yo my dad, they work in the elections. He's going to watch this later.

Yo, seriously, they were visiting me, and I was about to leave, and he said, son, you going to the store? I go with you. I said, not with them damn knees. Uh-uh. You better put some damn lotion on. I got bottles. I got large bottles in every room.

I cannot stand it. So is there, now I ain't going to say, I took the label off because they asses ain't paying me. So just understand that I got the lotion with me. I keep one on the set and one here because we do ass check on my show. I ain't say no ass check, ass check. We look at them knuckles to see if we can't have,

Julianne know, she know, we did my TV One show. I look down, I'm like, hey, stick your hands out because we can't have, Julia, I know, she know, we did my TV One show. I look down, I'm like, hey, stick your hands out because we can't have no ashy damn hands on TV. So is there a particular lotion that we should be using and what should it contain? There are lots of them out there, right?

So if dry skin is a big problem for you, you may need one with an acid in it, like lactic acid or salicylic acid. I also recommend creams, especially in the wintertime. And if it's really bad, we'll go back to that petroleum jelly or an ointment. So if we're talking about names, they are not paying me either. So a good hand cream is the Neutrogena Norwegian Hand Cream. It's going to stick with you. And when you wash your hands, you're not going to be immediately ashy afterwards because it kind of keeps a layer, as well as CeraVe Essay Cream.

They have one for hand cream. They have one for the body. Sometimes you need a little help getting that dry skin off, and an acid in your moisturizer is going to help cure that ash for you. All I'm saying is if your ass got flakes, you need to be using some lotion. No, I ain't. Hey, look, look. Julian, you don't understand.

You don't understand. I'm talking about if you want to irk my soul, roll up with some ashy damn feet, legs, ankles. Let me give you another tip. One time I saw this brother, and he had on some gray slacks and some gray shoes, and I said, damn, he's matching. I thought he had on gray socks, but it was that.

See, right? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Doc, go ahead. Um, so a key to keeping your skin moisturized is moisturizing right after the shower. So pat dry, keep a little water on your skin. What moisturizing really is doing is sealing in the water in between your skin and the cream. So if you do it right after the in between your skin and the cream.

So if you do it right after the shower while your skin is still damp, it's going to help lock in that moisture. Okay. All right. Well, look, if folks want to reach out to you to get more tips, where should they go? If you want to reach out to me, contact me on social media at GetTheSkinny.

That's G-E-T-T-H-E-G-S-K-I-N-E. And that's also my website, GetTheSkinny. That's G-E-T-T-H-E-G-S-K-I-N-E. And that's also my website, GetTheSkinny.com. All right, then. Zadak, we appreciate it. Thank you so very much. And trust me, you helped some folks avert a crisis with their raggedy skin. Thank you much. Thank you for having me.

All right. Man, y'all think I'm playing. I'm serious. I'm serious. I cannot stand. Look, Anthony, no. Anthony was direct. We were in L.A. I said, Anthony, your ass don't put some damn lotion on them damn feet.

I said, man, I'm going to cut you. I said, y'all don't understand. I'm telling you. I cannot let my daddy sit in my house with some ashy feet. I can't do it. It ain't going to work. All right, y'all. I can't do it. I'm telling you right now. That, y'all. I can't do it. I'm telling

you right now. That's how it works. Sorry. Make me laugh so hard. Julianne, I'm telling you. I see you with some ashy hands. I'm like, even though you light-skinned, you get ashy. I just push in the morning and in the evening and I stockpile coconut oil. Hey, all I'm saying...

Hey, hey. Look, Jeff, I know you keep some damn oil with you. I gotta see if it makes them. Jeff, you probably got like a whole travel kit of incense and

oils. You probably got a whole black pack. You probably got a whole pack. It's like some shea butter, some oils, and some incense. You know you do. Palo Santo for you, man.

It'll heal your mind and your body. I keep it there ready. Y'all know. Y'all know. Y'all know. Just like an old black woman will pull out peppermint out of her bag and... Why you crying, Julia? Why you crying, Julia? Why you crying, Julia? I'm cracking up.

You know I ain't lying. You know, old black woman got peppermint in her purse. Jeff got some oil and some incense. And I know, I know all that damn shea butter your ass got stocked up on the Congo. I know you got like a travel kit. Yes, sir. No lie. No lie.

I ain't playing. Yep. Open up a shop. Studio rolling. That's what we'll do. Each one of us, when we get in person, we'll just bring something and set up a shop there. We'll bring our ash blockers.

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