#RolandMartinUnfiltered - VP Harris' 1st Trip of 2024, Border Crisis, Kenya To Aid Haiti, Tips To Getting Your Baby To Sleep

Episode Date: January 4, 2024

1.3.2023 #RolandMartinUnfiltered: VP Harris' 1st Trip of 2024, Border Crisis, Kenya To Aid Haiti, Tips To Getting Your Baby To Sleep Folks are still asking what Vice President Kamala Harris is doing. Today, she was in Las Vegas, Nevada, congratulating Culinary Workers Union Local 226 on their successful new contracts. You'll hear what she had to say.  House GOPs are resigning, chipping away at their majority. We'll tell you who's leaving and what that could mean for this election cycle.  The border dispute between the Texas Governor and the Biden administration escalated after the Supreme Court was asked to remove the razor wire at the U.S.-Mexico border. We'll discuss this request with the Executive Vice President for Strategic Partnerships, JustLeadershipUSA.  Haiti continues to be in a leadership crisis as gangs maintain control over most of the country. I'll talk to a National Security and Foreign Affairs Legal Analyst about the help Kenya wants to provide the Caribbean country. And parents who are having trouble getting those babies to sleep. We'll talk to a Baby Sleep Coach who says she can help you get your baby sleeping through the night in less than two weeks.  Download the Black Star Network app at http://www.blackstarnetwork.com! We're on iOS, AppleTV, Android, AndroidTV, Roku, FireTV, XBox and SamsungTV. The #BlackStarNetwork is a news reporting platform covered under Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Folks are still asking what Vice President Kamala Harris is doing. Well, today she was in Las Vegas, Nevada, congratulating Culinary Workers Union Local 226 on their successful new contracts. You'll hear what she had to say. House GOPs are resigning, chipping away at their majority. We'll tell you who's leaving and what that could mean for this election cycle. The border dispute between the Texas governor and the Biden administration escalated after the Supreme Court was asked to remove the razor wire at the U.S.-Mexico border. We'll discuss this request with the executive vice president for strategic partnerships of Just Leadership USA. And Haiti continues to be in a leadership crisis as gangs maintain control over most of the country. I'll talk to a national security and foreign affairs legal analyst about the help that Kenya wants to give the Caribbean country. And parents who are having trouble getting those

babies to sleep will talk to a baby sleep coach who says that she can help you get your baby sleeping through the night in less than two weeks. It's time to bring the funk on Roland Martin Unfiltered streaming live on the Black Star Network. Let's go. And when it breaks, he's right on time And it's rolling Best belief he's knowing Putting it down from sports to news to politics With entertainment just for kicks He's rolling

With Uncle Roro, y'all It's rolling, Martin Rolling with Roland now. He's funky, he's fresh, he's real the best. You know he's rolling, Martin. Now. Martin. Vice President Kamala Harris traveled to Las Vegas today to meet with the Culinary Workers Union Local 226 hospitality workers and congratulate them on their successful new contracts. Those contracts led to historic pay increases and workplace safety improvements. Harris and Acting Secretary of Labor Julie Hsu delivered remarks that highlighted the Biden-Harris administration's ongoing commitment

to creating good-paying union jobs while supporting workers and their right to bargain collectively. I do strongly believe that the strength of our nation depends on the strength of working people. Okay. The strength of working people is the backbone of the strength of our nation depends on the strength of working people. Okay. The strength of working people is the backbone of the strength of our nation. Working people, and in particular, union members, are the reason that anyone, whether you are a member of a union or not,

get a weekend, get paid leave, get family leave if you get it. It is union members and the working people who are members of organized labor who have always fought and continue to fight for the rights, for the dignity of working people and the dignity of work itself. You know, my mother would always say to me, I don't, she would say, what is this business about unskilled, low-skilled labor? All labor, all work requires a skill.

And with that, and understanding that then, one should understand the dignity that rightly comes with working hard and being productive and the need to then value that by way of wages and benefits, pensions, workplace safety, all of the things that this union has fought for traditionally and most recently has had a historic win on. It is the work of understanding that especially in these moments in time where a lot of people are feeling really alone and when you feel alone you feel powerless. Well that's part of the essence of the strength of unions,

is to remind workers that you are not alone, that you come with people, that people have your back. When we talk about collective bargaining, for those who are trying to break unions around the country, understand this. If you just approach policy and your thoughts from the perspective of what is fair, okay? So we're talking about all negotiations then,

don't we all agree, should have a fair outcome? All negotiations should have a fair outcome. Let's just use that as a baseline standard. Who could disagree with that if they are a reasonable person? Okay? Fair outcome. Let's just use that as a baseline standard. Who could disagree with that if they are a reasonable person? Okay? Fair outcome. So is it going to be a fair outcome if one worker has to negotiate with a corporation for fair wages, for benefits, for safe working conditions. Is that outcome of that negotiation going to be fair? Probably not. But organized labor, collective bargaining, is about saying we're not going to leave that one worker out there by himself, herself.

We're going to organize around the collective to use the power of the collective to have an equal voice in a negotiation because we know then yes there will be a negotiation some give-and-take on both sides but the outcome will be fair that's the point of organized labor that's the point of collective bargaining it's about fairness It's a fundamental value that we as a nation say we hold sacred. We have foundational principles. Fairness, equality, giving people the freedom to live their best lives.

That's what this is all about. On Saturday, the vice president will travel to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, to deliver the keynote address at the 7th Episcopal District AME Church Women's Missionary Society's annual retreat. For those who don't know, Harris is out here in these streets, but mainstream media does not cover her like we do. I say that for those who still say Harris is not visible when she actually is. All right. I'm joined now by Rebecca Carruthers, vice president of the Fair Election Center out of Washington, D.C., and A. Scott Bolden. He's an attorney and former chairman of the National Bar Association and D.C. Chamber of Commerce's PACs in Washington, D.C. Thank you so much for being with us, both of you. You know, I think, Scott, one of the things here to realize is what I said.

She is out there. It's not as if she's sitting, you know, at her home or sitting in the executive office. She's out there, but it really depends on the media you watch. Yeah, and how you evaluate her performance. She's wildly popular with black and brown voters. She's wildly popular with young people. Her numbers aren't the best when you get out of those two categories, but it depends on the polling and it depends on who's evaluating her.

It's not easy to be the vice president, to be number two in the command and not have your own agenda. In fact, some of us critics of her becoming vice president weren't because we didn't want her to become vice president, but because we wanted her to become president. And perhaps being the attorney general may have been the best way versus being number two. But that's water under the bridge. She's going to be a powerful force in whether the Democrats retain the White House or not, which is why she's out there. I think Biden and his leadership team realize this. And despite where her numbers are and his numbers are,

all you need is one more vote than the next guy, one. And two, voter turnout and voter organization is going to be key in this very tight race. In fact, it may not be as tight as we think, because once these criminal trials start for Donald Trump, America, even moderate Republicans, are going to see, you know, how much damage Donald Trump has done to this country. And given the choice, you're certainly going to be for Biden and Harris versus the chaos and the crudeness and the crassness of Donald Trump. And, you know, Rebecca, Scott said something very important, and that is this. Many people did want her to become president, which is why they're looking for her now, in case that does happen. They're thinking about President Biden's age and wondering, well, what is she doing now? Because who knows what will happen if and when she will take that seat. So my question to you is this. What do you think about how she is doing so far?

Again, if you Google her, you can find information. But in terms of what she actually is doing that you know about, how are things going for her so far? I'll just start this by saying right now, black women leaders in this country are under attack, especially if they're trying to make transformational change in this country. We saw that with the forced resignation of Dr. Gay from Harvard University. So it's great to see Vice President Kamala Harris out in Nevada, which is a key pivotal state for 2024.

The Democrats do not take back the White House if they do not secure Nevada, especially just like what Scott just talked about, the Black and Brown coalition. And I know for some of our viewers, they're like, well, why are we talking about Black? Why are we talking about Brown? Sometimes the politics don't match up. And the viewers are right. Sometimes the politics don't match up. But we do know for 2024, it is going to be a coalition with the majority of brown voters, with the overwhelming majority of black voters in determining what the White House looks like coming November 2024. So to see Kamala out there, out there early, I think that's in the best interest, because something that we all know and observe is think that's in the best interest. Because something that we

all know and observe is that Biden is not the best campaigner. Between Biden and between Harris, you want Harris out on the road. You do not want Biden making unforced gas by showing up in the middle of Pekoske or showing up in Clarksdale, Mississippi, or showing up in Reno. You want Kamala Harris there. You have made yourself very clear, Rebecca. I like that. You know, Scott, Rebecca is right on so many levels, especially because this is a state and an area that is representative of the larger country. When we talk about a caucus state,

it has Asians, it has Latinos, it has blacks. They say that this is really one of those states and places that is a fair representative of what America looks like. So this is really strategic. This is her ninth visit since Joe Biden's inauguration that she has made to Las Vegas. And I don't think that that is not on purpose. Yeah, you got to shore up your base, right? You can't win unless you got your strong base and you got a go-TV program. And that's why she's been there nine times, if you will.

And remember, the Hispanic voters who have gone to Trump, let's not get confused, are based on the East Coast and in Florida. The West Coast is firmly, those brown voters and those culinary workers are firmly with Biden. And you've got a Senate race out there that not only they're going to make a difference in that Senate race, but they're going to make a difference in Biden-Harris winning Nevada and many of these swing states. It's all going to be about voter organization and who you're going to choose. You may not like having the choice of Biden-Trump, the rematch, right?

But that's the choice you're most likely going to get. And you've got to vote for one of those choices because a third-party candidate, if they do come along, is going to be a wasted vote. And with democracy on the line, when abortion rights are on the line, when the heart and soul of the country is on the line, given those two choices, Democratic strategists for the White House and for the campaign believe it's going to be an easy choice once that choice is laid out and the campaign starts. And so I think the Biden coalition of black and brown people and young people and those women, white suburban women and white educated voters, are going to be key to that coalition, because they care about the country.

They care about Roe v. Wade and it being struck down. They care about voting rights. Now, the second part of that equation is Biden and Harris haven't delivered for black and brown people on all the important issues of voting rights and of racial justice with police reform and what have you, right?

They got to be better in that regard because we came out in strong numbers for them, but their promise in their second commitment or their second term, they've got to deliver on that. And if they take the House and they maintain the Senate, you've got a Democratic narrative that has no choice but to be successful,

not only save democracy, but move democracy forward with a Democratic agenda that is balanced and there to save America, but save and make lives better for people who have been the least, the lost and the left out. Scott, you mentioned deliverables. Are there deliverables that could be delivered within this short time before the election? Yeah, I mean, we're at a standstill, unfortunately, or stalemate with voting rights

and the George Floyd Criminal Justice Act, I guess. And when I say I guess, I mean, there are lots of executive orders that have been put in place or could be put in place. But to really move forward and implement that type of legislation that saves democracy and re-empowers people of color and their right to vote and their right to be free from racial violence by the police, you got to have a majority Senate and you got to have a majority Senate, and you got to have a majority House, and you got to have the White House. That's really what's at stake here, and why this election, in my opinion, is so very important. It's not the most important, but it's super important, because the country has moved so

far right. I mean, you got 20, 30 percent of the people in most polls who believe that political violence is necessary. Political violence and hate speech, that's not good for black and brown people in this country. Making America great again, that makes me feel unsafe and afraid. It doesn't bring home, doesn't make me feel like I want America to be great again, because for black people and brown people and for those who have been in disenfranchised historically and other... Um, and our ancestors were slavery,

uh, this is the best of America right now, if you really think about it. Imperfect. Vowelving into a more perfect union, but it's never been better for black and brown people. And so we're not preserving, just preserving that. We got to move forward. And that's why covering all three houses as, uh, making them Democrat is so very important.

Promises made, now we got more promises to keep. Right, and certainly people will be looking to see if those promises are kept. Rebecca, now, let's talk about what was on the table when I opened tonight, and that is, people think that she's not being... getting covered, or, in the alternative, they think she's not doing anything. I mean, even when I have thoughts about, well, what is Vice President Kamala doing?

I get online and I Google it, but there seems to be this consistent talk that she's not doing a lot. And I'm wondering what your thoughts are about that. So that consistent talk is inside of the Beltway, inside the Washington, D.C. area. So as a former political consultant, I'm going to give some advice to the White House if they're listening. I know there's a lot of people behind the walls of the White House now trying to jockey and come up with their positioning in the next administration. But here's the thing. You're never going to get to the next administration unless folks are talking on the same page and they're using the same talking points

and they're carrying out an talking points and they're carrying out an effective messaging so that the American people truly understand what this administration has been doing over the course of the last few years. Instead, there's been a lot of knives thrown from inside the House towards Kamala, not wanting her to continue to advance and perhaps become the future president of this country. But if folks want to see this administration beyond November 2024, they're going to have to get behind her. They're going to get behind Joe Biden, but specifically get behind Kamala Harris. And the reason why, just like what I said at the top of the show, Biden is not a great

campaigner. That's been an open secret since the 80s. There's a reason why he ran for president multiple times and never got the nomination. He sucks as a campaigner. Now, is he a good fundraiser? Absolutely. But would I stake my life, my political future, on him going out there and selling it? No, absolutely not. So folks have to get behind Kamala because she's the better campaigner of the two. But not only that, she's actually a good campaigner. She does a good job of reaching people. When you're in a room with her and she's talking directly to people, she connects with people. But the other thing that I want to say in response to your question is when you look at local press coverage, when Kamala is actually anywhere in the world or outside of the D.C. press, she actually gets glowing and very positive press coverage.

They love her. Just because they're hearing stuff from the New York Times or the Washington Post or these different profile pieces, understand it's coming from the same handful of people. It's coming from the same sources within the White House. All right, Rebecca, thank you for that. So if you're wondering where Kamala Harris is, Vice President Harris, we cover her here on this network and she's also just. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action.

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Johnson will start his new position as president at Youngstown State University on January 22nd of this year. As it stands now, it's 222 Republicans and 213 Democrats following Kevin McCarthy's resignation. After Johnson leaves, who's left? 219 Republicans and 213 Democrats. Speaker Mike Johnson can afford a maximum of two defections on any vote. This means a 216 to 216 tie would kill a bill. This year's

House and Senate races are so crucial for who will control Congress. Certainly they are. Scott, you know, I'm thinking in this situation, everybody's trying to figure out who is going to be on that ticket and certainly what this could look like eventually by the end of the year in terms of Congress. Who's going to be on, I'm sorry, what ticket?

When you say ticket. Well, I'm sorry, I'm not, who is going to be filling in his place? In the, for the Ohio? Yes, for Ohio. Yeah. You know, Ohio is such a weird jurisdiction. I haven't seen or read how they fill that seat since he's, are they going to have a special election?

Or is it just going to, they're going to keep the election in 2024? I don't believe he's in a swing district. And what I was going to say to you was, as these Republicans resign, what's going to be really interesting at the House level are the House Republicans in swing states that Biden won, or swing districts that Biden won, can the Democrats turn those back to take the majority of the House? It does not help that the Ohio Republican congressman or the California Republican former House speaker are resigning now. And as a result, they can only stand to lose two. But the reality is, 2024 is going to be a huge change in this country and big decisions to be made that are going to transform the political landscape.

These early defections or resignations are not good, but there's a bigger picture here. We only have two people that the Republicans can stand to walk or can stand to lose. But the broader picture is, and I think all both sides are looking at what happens in 2024, from the presidential side down to the House and Senate side. It is going to be an incredible ride. It really is. And everyone needs to vote wherever you are, state and federal, up and down the ballot. You know, you got these criminal trials and civil trials, but you also got these incredible races.

I think the makings of it are gonna make for historic voting, uh, numbers on both sides of the ticket... aisle. I just really, really do. So that's... that's my... those are my best thoughts. And now, Rebecca, I'm wondering if this surprised you. I mean, we knew it was coming. We heard... We've heard for, I think, at least a month now

that this was going to happen. But did it surprise you that this was the move that he took in terms of this early retirement from his seat? Oh, it's not super surprising. Like, initially, I got excited. I was like, Ohio congressman getting ready to resign. I was hoping and praying it was Jim Jordan. But here's the thing.

Jim Jordan can't get a job in higher ed. He kind of got issues with like a sex scandal that he helped cover up. But that aside, what's exciting about Ohio in 2024 is that there's going to be a ballot initiative, a redistricting ballot initiative for fair maps in Ohio. So what's really interesting about the 8th District is once, you know, it looks like the Ohio voters, because it's polling really well, are going to pass a fair maps initiative to make sure that maps are drawn in a way that's fair and representative of the actual residents and voters in the state of Ohio. So my best guess is that the congressional makeup right now that's very extremely gerrymandered to favor the Republican Party

probably isn't going to look like that once this ballot initiative passes and maps are redrawn. So there's going to be a lot of folks who are going to have to maneuver and leave Congress, or they're going to have to run against each other in the primaries. Absolutely. Now, Scott, what are your thoughts about who might, as the typical candidate you think, will take his place? You know, depending on how the maps are drawn in Ohio and even in Georgia and a few other places, that's going to play a large part in who potentially is going to not only run, but who's going to win.

What do these maps ultimately look like? So I think it's hard to say. If you were talking about the Senate races, you would look for House of Representatives in those states to move up, if you will, or to move out, or to make some determination about running for governorship. But I think it's a wide open race. I think it's the 6th District, not the 8th District. That's a friendly amendment to my colleague's statement.

But I also think that once the maps play out, you'll get good competition in the primaries on these states, on those districts, right? But ultimately, how they're cut up is going to dictate who the most likely winners are. But both sides, especially if they've recut districts, will have primaries, strong primaries. I think this shifts things a bit, Rebecca, because with this resignation, people are beginning to think, oh my goodness, these numbers really are changing. And it's ultimately, ultimately could make a difference if there is a tie, as I mentioned. I would imagine that the Republicans are trying to regroup at this point.

What's that budget going to look like? There's two, two budget votes that are going to be coming up in the next six weeks. I don't see how this fractured Republican Party cobbles enough votes even before this latest of resonations between this congressman and Kevin McCarthy. So at this point, I don't even know what's going to happen. If I was to bet, I'm going to bet

that the government's going to get shut down because I simply don't think that the Speaker of going to get shut down because I simply don't think that the speaker of the House has enough. I mean, how is he going to force people to vote to prevent a government shutdown? He hasn't shown that he's such a prolific fundraiser that people are going to say, well, hey, you know what, let me go ahead and make sure I vote this way because you're going to come into my district and make sure they have more than enough campaign money for my reelection. So I really don't know what the carrot is or what the stick is here.

I don't even think that the Republican Party has really thought out what the Republican caucus is doing in the House. All right. Well, we're going to have more on this, certainly, because, as you said, with the budget and potential cuts looming, that will be certainly something that we will follow. Roland Martin Unfiltered will be right back after this break. You are watching the Black Star Network. I'm Dee Barnes, and next on The Frequency, we're talking about the rise in great Black literature and the authors who are writing it. Joining me will be professor and author Donna Hill.

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at 3 p.m. Eastern and let your voice be heard. Hey, we're all in. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action, and that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams,

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Cops believed everything that taser told them. From Lava for Good and the team that brought you Bone Valley comes a story about what happened when a multi-billion dollar company dedicated itself to one visionary mission. This is Absolute Season 1. Taser Incorporated. I get right back there and it's bad.

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We are back. In a big way. In a very big way. Real people, real perspectives. This is kind of star-studded a little bit, man. We got Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves. Music stars Marcus

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Me, Sherri Shebret, and you know what you're watching. Roland Martin unfiltered. The Biden administration is asking the Supreme Court to allow the Border Patrol to remove razor wire at the U.S.-Mexico border. The dispute is over whether the Border Patrol has the legal authority to cut the sharp wire that Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott had installed on the banks of the Rio Grande. The state sued last year to stop the wire cutting,

saying it illegally destroys state property and undermines security to assist migrants in crossing the border. Last month, a federal appeals court ordered Border Patrol agents to stop the practice while court proceedings play out. Well, joining me now from D.C. is Ronald Simpson-Bey. He's the executive vice president for Strategic Partnerships at Just Leadership USA. And we're talking, taking a look at the DOJ's emergency application, asking the Supreme Court to overturn that decision. Thank you so much for being with us today. Good evening. Thank you for having me.

Absolutely. Now, we're talking about states' rights here. And I just want you to give us a little bit of a primer about the key things that we should know about this situation and what's really at stake here. Because yes, we're talking about wire cutting, but there's a much bigger picture. Oh, absolutely. Thank you for pointing that out. I think the broader picture to this is that it's a human interest versus political interest. When it boils down at the end of the day, it's a human interest story versus the political interest. And where do we go from there? Do we side with the political views that may be harmful to people? Or do we take a humanitarian vision

toward addressing this particular issue? Now, what do you think will be the main legal issues that the courts will look at ultimately when this comes down to it? Well, I mean, the legal issues are deep, they're vast, they're intertwined. I don't profess to be a legal scholar in any sense of the word, even though I've done some legal work. But I think it comes down to, you know, we're talking about concertina wire, which is a pretty name for razor wire. And what it does to the human body is unfathomable. And to have that put out there intentionally to harm people is just, I mean, it's mind-boggling. We need to pivot and look at that.

I mean, how does that apply to what's best for the country? How does that apply to what's best for humans? Because any time you harm people in that manner, you don't degrade the value of life and property for the country. How does that apply to what's best for humans? Because any time you harm people in that manner, you don't degrade the value of life and property in our country. What is the effect of this wire? You talked about it's very sharp. I've seen some video of people who are really getting hurt. To what extent are people getting hurt,

if you can describe what this wire is like and what it does? Well, constantine razor wire, what it does, once you get entwined in it, it just continually wraps around. It doesn't just cut you and fall away. Once you get entwined in it, it just continually wraps and wraps like a snake around you and continues to cut you. But I think the ruling, the Supreme Court ruling is part of a broader picture that I think we're overlooking in this country, and how the recent Supreme Court rulings have sided against people and sided for political interests seemingly.

And, I mean, what I mean by that, we talk about they struck down Roe v. Wade, we know, a year or so ago. They struck down affirmative actions in college. They struck down the Miranda, having to read Miranda rights to people. So it's like we're chipping away at the foundational social underpinnings of our country through these rulings. And I think this particular ruling around the Constantino wire is another step in that direction. It's just to show which way they're actually going to be heading. Now, take me to, I guess, what actually got us to this point. Because when we talk about, um, migrants, you know,

we hear about 10,000 to 12,000 people a month, uh, being brought in. Uh, we hear about things going on in New York City and people being bused to different parts of the country, but in the most securitist route from New Jersey to try to get to New York. What is the situation, you would say, for those who are saying, listen, this is something that Texas wanted, it's within their state's rights,

and there is a migrant issue in this country? Well, there is a migrant issue in this country. There's a lot of issues in this country that go unaddressed because it's inconvenient for them to be addressed in a humanistic way. So we just, we heap laws and rules upon these particular situations that have harmful outcomes to our communities and to our people. I think we should take a step back, turn the temperature down,

and actually look at what's causing these harms. We aren't addressing the actual harm. We're not addressing what causes the harm. We're actually reacting to those harms. And so, like I was saying earlier, I was recently, my colleague and I, Deanna Hoskin, who is the president and CEO of Just Leadership USA, we co-authored an op-ed about the Supreme Court this past week that was just published on our website, JLUSA.org. And it goes into details about online concerns of directly impacted people and the community of formerly

incarcerated people. So these leaders, we are trying to come up with ways to have our voices heard by the Supreme Court, by the country, around what impacts our communities the most. Alright, we're going to take a break, but when we come back, we're going to go to our

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I'm going to start with you, Rebecca. Thanks. So we know that decades of U.S. policy has led to destabilization in the region, including the so-called war on drugs. So we know that the migrant crisis that we're seeing now is decades long of seeds that were sown, and now we're really seeing the fruits really flourish. So my question is this. We know long-term the United States needs to figure out its policy when it comes to not just the migrant crisis, but immigration, period, in this country. And we know that this is just a symptom of not having clear immigration policy. But in the short term, what do mayors in different cities, what do governors in different states do to take care of the humanitarian crisis that we're seeing. And I do believe that having razor wire that engulfs people

and allows them to slowly bleed and die, I think that's very inhumane. We know if it was cats and dogs getting caught in those razor wires, that it would be declared, oh, no, we can't do that. But these are human beings that we're seeing that this is happening to. So I understand there is a humanitarian crisis that's going on. There's also safety concerns of not knowing who's coming across U.S. borders, which are oftentimes poorest in certain situations. So what is a short-term solution, even with the budgets and how much it costs to house these people who are being sent to New York City, being sent up to Martha's Vineyard, being sent to Chicago and Washington,

D.C.? What is the short-term solution? And then my follow-up question is more looking at the long term. How do we, where do we go with immigration policy in this country? I think the short-term solution would be to confer with the people most directly impacted by these policies and most directly impacted by these procedures that we're seeing going on. Because at Just Leadership USA, we believe that those closest to the problem are closer to the solutions, yet furthest away from resources, power, and opportunity to effectuate change in their communities and the things that harm them. So the first thing they should do is talk to people directly impacted by these policies.

And I'm not saying not necessarily people that's coming over right now because they may not speak English, but the advocates that advocate for the people that's affected by immigration laws and rules that the United States implement. Scott. SCOTT GALLANTONER Yeah, but, you know, the Democrats and the Republicans both have political agendas in not resolving the immigration crisis, probably more the Republicans than the Democrats. And my view is that the Republicans love this talking point, love blaming the Dems, and so they're never going to agree to any... they don't see, they see border security as stopping black and brown immigrants from coming to this country.

The Democrats see it as a humanitarian crisis and that they should have a path to citizenship. When I tell my Republican friends this, they deny that. But at the same time, they've had plenty of opportunities since 2017 to come to the table, and they've never agreed to any Democratic proposal. Their proposals are draconian, if you will. And inherent in their proposals is that these people don't have a right to be here. If they were white Northern Europeans, they would have a path to citizenship. And so having said that, with those dichotomies, those racial dichotomies, right, how do you solve the immigration crisis? Whichever side of the political ledger you're on, how do you solve that?

Because it's a humanitarian crisis there right now that's got to be resolved. I mean, it's as simple as having the courage for the truth. I mean, you talked about the two different sides and their positions on these issues. We know that it's expedient for, you know, certain parties not to admit the truth, to do fear-mongering, to do these things that cause division in our country, create these dichotomies that you speak of, so to speak. So I think it is necessary for us to keep hammering the truth, to keep pushing the truth out there, because we know that certain people believe in alternative truths, and we know

alternative truths are just lies. Okay. So we need to be open to that. Okay. So on the Democratic side, why doesn't the Biden administration just flood the southern border with troops, with resources, with judges, with responsibilities, and give these immigrants an opportunity to come into the country legally, just dump more resources there, right? Invest through USAID in these countries that they're coming from to reduce the demand for these migrants to come here. And why don't we put sanctions on companies who need them as workers to cut that demand for the workforce that is driving these immigration, these immigrants to come to the U.S. looking for a better life.

Why not just do that? Do those three things and put it to bed. Those are great examples of potential solutions. I mean, I can't speak for the Biden administration, and we know that there's a lot of political will necessary to make that happen. So, I mean, I can't speak for them, but I just, hopefully they heard you and they will actually take some action along those steps. Well, Ronald, here's a question. Me too. Is there more? Is there more help?

Are there more people on the ground, more judges, more people to help, more direction? Has there been a little bit of growth in terms of trying to meet the massive growth of the immigrants that have come here? I think there's been some growth along that line, not just the immigrants, but, you know, the disadvantaged people across the country. I think there's been more emphasis on the pendulum swinging in the direction of helping impoverished

and impacted people, not just along the border, but across our country. You mentioned earlier that you wrote an article. What was the focus of that article? What were some of the points that you made that you want people to hear about? Yeah, it was a co-authored article with myself and Deanna Hoskins, the president and CEO of Just Leadership USA. And it focused on the rulings of the Supreme Court. We basically framed it in a way that we're saying a lot of these rulings

are eroding the foundational social underpinnings of our country because they're taking away a lot of the social and civil rights that we've gained, not just in the last 50 years, but over the last 100 years. And we're seeing the Supreme Court seems to be taking a radical turn towards, you know, disenfranchising people. Right. And if the Supreme Court doesn't do anything, it's going to be very much like abortion or Trump on the ballot, where states' rights are going to be conflicting and figuring out, hey, where does the power actually fall? All right. Well, Ronald Bay Simpson, Executive Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

at Just Leadership USA, I want to thank you so much for being with us today. Good to see you. Thank you for having me. All right, well, while the Supreme Court is being asked to remove wire fences, House Republicans are forging ahead with steps to impeach Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas

over his handling of the border crisis. According to the committee spokesperson, the House Committee on Homeland Security has conducted a comprehensive investigation into Secretary Mayorkas' handling of and role in the unprecedented crisis at the southwest border for nearly a year. Following the bipartisan vote in the House

to refer to articles of impeachment against the secretary to our committee. We will be conducting hearings and taking up those articles in the coming weeks. The announcement of the impeachment proceedings comes as immigration continues to be the top issue. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action.

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No, it's just political machinations. I mean, we got so many bigger issues. And remember, impeachment for my audience is the same as it would be for Biden. You got to have high crimes and misdemeanors. You can't impeach someone because they're either a poor administrator, poor leader, or you just disagree with their policies. No administration has dealt with this influx of immigrants at this level, at this intensity. And when the Republicans say, well, Trump had it under control, Trump didn't have it under control. They came under Trump.

He just housed them in Mexico, quite frankly. And you didn't have the visual of immigrants, hundreds of, I'm sorry, tens of thousands of thousands of immigrants coming across the border because they didn't believe in humanitarianism. They believed in separating babies from parents as a deterrent. They put kids in cages, if you will, as a deterrent. And, you know, the Biden administration, God bless them for seeing these people as human beings, not as something else. And so you have this you have this crisis right now. Mexico regarding getting help and adding resources to the southern borders to make it not only

secure but to make it safe for immigrants a lot sooner than now. I can see that. But at the same time, impeaching Mayagos doesn't solve the immigration crisis. I can't think of one reason why impeaching Mayagos on the Democratic administration, that that helps resolve the humanitarian crisis going on at the southern border. It simply doesn't. It's more Republican political machinations. And Rebecca, that's what many people are saying. Could he just be the fall guy in all of this? Somebody's got to take the blame.

Here's the thing. The issue on the border has been going on for the last few decades. So I don't know why the Republican caucus is acting like, oh my God, it just got worse. Well, here's the thing. Under the previous guy, he said he was going to build a wall. The wall still wasn't built, but his cronies built millions of dollars from people getting grandmas to send in the $20 at a time that they end up using that money for other purposes than actually building a wall. So here's the thing. They're talking about impeachment, but first, why don't they have a public hearing highlighting

solutions? Right. Right. You know, so it's like, even if you do go through with the impeachment, the Senate's not going to remove him. So then now what? What happens next? How does this solve anything?

How does this solve the problem of where we have security problems, we have humanitarian crisis, and we're having a budget spending out of control because we don't have enough money to pay for this influx of all these people? And even to Scott's point, we have a problem with corporations that are literally going into Latin America, putting up billboards, sending recruiters saying, hey, come to this particular place in Montana. We have a job for you. I'm sorry. If you are born and raised in Belize, you don't even know what the F of Montana is. So now all of a sudden you're being, you're given a roadmap to get to this place because you're being actively recruited. So we do need to see hefty fines on these corporations that are intentionally causing

the migrant problem on the border to worsen. And Scott, I have been thinking about what you have been thinking about, apparently, and that is, why not more? Why not more people on the ground to deal with the influx of thousands of people in a clip? I mean, one month, 12,000 people. Where are the other resources in order to meet that? The two things just aren't matching. You could call up the reserve for the Army, for the Marines, all military branches, and send them to the border to work with border agents,

to send JAG officers or military judges or military attorneys to the border, deputize them, if you will, or delegate them, if you really want to resolve this issue. Maybe holding them in Mexico might help that process. I'm not opposed to that. But my colleague Rebecca, the premise of her statements and questions renders it falsity, and that is that the Republicans want to resolve this. You can beg the question about, well, why, you know, if you really want to resolve it, why don't we have some hearings on resolution?

Well, Rebecca, here's a newsflash that I know you know. I'm halfway messing with you. If you're going to want to resolve some stuff, whether it's a personal relationship or kids or even on your job, to resolve something, they don't want to resolve it. It's a personal relationship or kids or even on your job, to resolve something. And they don't want to resolve it. It's a talking point. And you can see it over the history of negotiations over the last 20 years. And so when you're not trying to resolve something, you want to keep defining the problem,

but you don't want to define the resolution of it. And so this is kind of where we are. And it's not going to get resolved in 2024, which is why I think sending additional resources from the Biden administration, regardless until we approve it? Well, wait a minute. Every day you're saying we've got unsecure borders and thousands are coming across the border and they're coming across from Arab countries, if you will. Is it anybody from the Arab region of the world is a dangerous threat to American democracy. Republicans are a greater threat to American democracy than anyone from the Middle East, if you will, unless you know for sure that they're on the terrorist hot list or list. And we certainly don't want them in the country. So, you know, the saga continues, but it won't be resolved in an election year.

No, it won't. But the Democrats have got to win all three houses. Well, Rebecca, and I'll... Yes, go ahead. Well, Scott, the biggest threat to our democracy is rural white men with khaki pants on and tiki torches showing up in cities and trying to burn stuff down

and driving over people with their cars and killing people or scaling the walls of the Congress as if they're playing Donkey Kong. So we know what the threat to democracy is in this country. But, you know, even to your point, the previous administration, cruelty was the point when they were separating children from their parents, when they had little kids in Mylar blankets. And just for people to understand what Mylar is, it's the metallic balloon that you see in the Family Dollar or Dollar Tree or Party City. They basically wrapped these kids up in balloon materials on slabs, cold slabs, oftentimes with not enough food, oftentimes with not having enough interpreters, and just separating these kids. We still have kids now who are lost, who were one years old, two years old, have never seen their parents again. They can't talk and describe their

parents because they were oftentimes babies and or infants. And so cruelty is the point with what we see when Republicans are in control when it comes to the migrant crisis. So I agree with you, Scott. This Republican caucus isn't trying to solve this because they think this is a winning issue for them. And what's unfortunate is that there are Republican voters in this country who just want to be charged up and they will vote on it because just like what Rolandland has said, this is about white fear. This is about white supremacy in America. And like you said, we know good and gosh darn well that we're not seeing a bunch of Arab people from around the world

sneaking through Mexico to get into the country. We know that's not happening. So this is just another fear tactic to get white. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith.

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South America. I mean, the idea for me as a parent of grown children, the idea of that type of policy, you sign off on that policy, then you don't see me as a black or brown person, as a human being. Because if you saw me as a human being, you would never implement that policy. The humanity, that your sheer humanity

would bar you from that policy. And we saw the Republicans for four years under Donald Trump do it willingly. And here's what we know, to the both of you, that if a different group of people was affected by these migrants that are coming, we know that there would be more resources that would be on the ground,

because you would have people that would be in fear of them. But so far, the right people are not affected for something to take place a little quicker. All right, we are going to be right back after this break. You are watching Roland Martin Unfiltered, and we'll see you after this message. I'm Faraji Muhammad live from LA and this is The Culture

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The void of leadership has led way to a huge power vacuum that has been filled by over 200 gangs, 100 of which have taken over the Haitian capital, Port-au-Prince. The East African country of Kenya, under President William Rudo, offered to provide a task force of over 1,000 troops to tackle the security situation in the Caribbean country. Well, joining me from D.C. is National Security and Foreign Affairs legal analyst Johanna LeBlanc

to discuss the Kenyan-led mission to Haiti to help fight insecurity. Johanna, thank you so much for being with us today. Thank you so much for having me. So for people who do not understand this crisis, for those who are not understand this crisis, for those who are on the ground, and you look at the video of people

who have to move stuff from their homes because of the gang violence, people being forced out, not understanding what they are supposed to do and where they should go, what is it like in Haiti and especially Port-au-Prince in terms of the crisis that's going on? Well, first and foremost, I would like us to take a step back and talk about the country's history.

The Republic of Haiti just celebrated its 220th independence anniversary. Haiti is the first Black independent country in the world, which gained independence through a bloody revolution with France. I always say this. Haiti's greatest sin is that it had the audacity not to only deliver its people from the oppression and suppression of France, but to also liberate other Black folks. And I also always say this. Haiti is the founder of the Black Lives Matter movement. And here's why. A year after the country gained its independence, the forefathers of the

country amended the Constitution to make it such that anyone who is Black who were to step foot on Haiti's soil would be considered free. A white man could not own land in the country, nor be a slave master. So in other words, those sorts of laws severely undermine the notion of white supremacy, because as we know it, racism, slavery has always been about utilizing and dehumanizing the Black body for the purpose of exploitation to create massive wealth. That's what it has always been about. And Haiti interfered with that. And Haiti has had to pay. In fact, after the country gained its independence, the United States did not recognize Haiti as a free state for

60 years, therefore could not trade with other nations. And then, on top of that, the Republic of Haiti had to pay, in today's currency, over $20 billion to France for gaining its independence. So from the inception of Haiti's independence, it was put in a position to not economically thrive. And in spite of, there was a time when Haiti was one of the most prosperous countries in the region. So, and since then, we've had, the country has had a number of political instability. You look at the United States and Haiti, the two oldest republics in the Western Hemisphere. Haiti, the United States has been able to have a very flourishing democracy, whereas Haiti's past is filled with instability, coup, and in today's modern day, increased insecurity.

So in order to understand Haiti today, you have to go back to the Haitian Revolution. And you also have to look at the intervention 1915 until 1934 by the United States, where Haiti was occupied by the United States, which was disastrous. And then you have to look at the UN going into Haiti, which has brought cholera into the country and killed countless people and has yet to pay restitution to those folks. So what you're saying partly is that the, I guess that the status of Haiti, some of it has trickled down basically from its history and that has partially landed us to where

we are today. Absolutely. You cannot talk about what is happening currently without going back to history because it will make no sense. So as it relates to modern day insecurity and the political crisis that we're seeing in Haiti currently, it is man-made. And while I applaud President Ruto's commitment to helping and to working with the Haitian people and the current Haitian government in addressing the insecurity crisis. But the reality is that without addressing the root cause issues, the insecurity will continue, will continue on. Because when you

look at the guns that are in Haiti right now, as you said earlier, about 80 percent of port-au-prince is controlled by gangs. Where are those guns are coming from? Haiti does not manufacture weapons. In fact, there was an embargo on Haiti where Haiti cannot even bring in weapons unless it's for special causes, right? So we have evidence that those weapons are coming from South Florida. When people are shipping cars to Haiti, they're putting these guns in boxes and cars and trucks. So if the United States is really serious about addressing Haiti's insecurity beyond working with President Ruto, which I think it shows a level of solidarity, it shows the spirit of Pan-Africanism, that Black nations can work together to address some of these dire crises.

Absolutely. Absolutely. So we have to look at the issue. And then we also have to look at the people who are financing these gangs, because there's evidence that even the former president of Haiti, Michel Martelly, has gangs that he has financed to create the insecurity. So people are making money off of the insecurity in Haiti. So until we address the root cause of the problem, the Kenyan-led mission, while I pray that it will be a success, it may be a waste of time. So, Johanna, the likelihood of this happening in terms of Kenya coming in and sending troops over, what do you think the likelihood of that will be, first of all?

Well, the United Nations has provided authorization for Kenya to lead a multinational force. It will not just be Kenya. It will be Kenya, Jamaica, and a few other countries from the region. And some may be asking, why isn't the United States part of this mission? That's the question. Well, what would you say is the answer to that? I mean, why isn't the United States? Because I think some people are asking themselves,

well, Kenya, okay, as you said, that shows solidarity, but where is the United States in this process? Yeah, well, Kenya is on the African continent, right? Not close to Haiti by no means. The United States, from Miami to Haiti, it's about an hour-and-a-half, two-hour flight to Haiti. And the reason why the United States cannot go in and provide security assistance to address this crisis is because of the history of failed foreign policy in Haiti. Some of the foreign policy from Washington have indeed undermined the country's political,

economic and security. That's the reality. And also, it's an election year. The United States will have to explain to the American people, to the American voters, why are we going to Haiti? Why are we sending America's sons and daughters to Haiti, right, when we're fighting a proxy war in Ukraine? And we have other—the United States has other priorities. But primarily because of the public opinion and the history between the United States and Haiti, United States cannot lead this. So the U.S. has worked with the U.N. to find a country that will lead this, and that's how we came about to having President Ruto, who is the president of the Republic of Kenya,

to lead this multinational force to the Republic of Haiti to help address the insecurity challenges. So my question to you now is, in terms of your family, do you have any family there? And if so, what are they saying to you because they are on the ground and experiencing it firsthand? Absolutely. Beyond someone who studies national security law and who is a practitioner and who is also

a professor, teach foreign policy every day. I have family in Haiti who are impacted by the insecurity crisis. Family members are calling me day in and day out, get me out, get me out. I can't survive. That's the reality. And the country is faced with severe brain drain because people are leaving. People are fleeing to Chile. They're fleeing to Brazil. They're fleeing to the United States. They're leaving the country. And the question is, who's going to be left to help with the rebuilding of the Republic of Haiti if all of the brains are leaving the country? Haiti has not had elections in years. The country does not have a president. There's a prime minister. There are no elected officials in Haiti as of right now. That's just the reality. So it's complete anarchy. That's the reality,

complete disorder. But I think the United States has a role to play in this, to right its wrongs, what it has done to the country, and also France. So now is the time for—I will call for reparations. And I will also call for an economic package to help revitalize the Haitian economy, because humanitarian assistance is not going to address this issue. And the deployment of military or police force to Haiti will also not address this issue unless we have a proposal,

a program where you address the root cause of the issue. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek.

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear episodes one week early and ad-free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. At the same time, there's an economic policy that will help to bring back jobs, uh, to create, um, to-to create infrastructure, um, so that the people of Haiti can thrive. Because I do believe that Haiti will rise again, just as it has done in the past. So, 200 gangs. That is a lot of gangs.

What is it that you know, especially with your academic and personal experience, what is it that these gangs are forming for and what are they trying to accomplish? You see, when you think of insecurity in Haiti and insecurity in other parts of the world, in particular, when you think of the Middle East, you know, a lot of times in the Middle East, it is driven by an ideology, right? Whereas in Haiti, it is not an ideology that is driving the insecurity in the country. It is

people's economic conditions and people and the affluent and the political elites and those who are committed to destabilizing the country who are taking advantage of some of these young men and young women and handing them a weapon for maybe $5, $10, whatever the case may be. Because when you think about it, when a person is in a dire situation where they don't have access to food, some of the most basic necessities, you hand them a gun and $10 U.S., that looks a bit appealing. So unless we start attacking some of these political elites, and the U.S. has imposed sanctions on some individuals who are deemed to be affiliated

with the gangs or who have financed the gangs. But I'll say, take it a step forward. Beyond imposing visa sanctions, we need to restrict their ability to access the U.S. market for banking. We need to start seizing their assets, because you have to hit them where it really hurts, which is in the pocket. And once you do that, perhaps the people of Haiti can have some kind of relief. Because the reality is this cannot continue. Haiti has been in this space for far too long. All right. Well, stick with us because we are going to get back to you with our panelists after the break. You are watching Roland Martin Unfiltered and on the Black Star Network. We'll be right back. Next on The Black Table with me, Greg Carr, the enigma of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. What really makes him tick and what forces shaped his view of the world,

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You hear me? All right, before we went to the break, we were talking about what could probably be described as pure chaos that is going on in Haiti. We were talking to national security and foreign affairs legal analyst Johanna LeBlanc. I'm going to turn this over to my panel. I saw them shaking their heads,

and I think that they are kind of chomping at the bit for a question. Scott, what is your question? Yeah, Johanna, I was listening to you, and you certainly know far more than I do, but I was perplexed by your response to why the U.S. isn't doing more. We've certainly done some in the past. And given that Haiti is in the Russian-I'm sorry, in the Western Hemisphere, and so close to the U.S., it would seem to be pretty simple to send, whether it's military support, humanitarian

support, economic investment to Haiti to ensure its success. Historically, Haiti has been sensitive, as I understand it from my recent readings, to imperialism and colonialism and its independence. But the chaos that's there right now certainly can't be a good situation. Could you clarify or expand on why the U.S. is resistant to going into Haiti and helping? We got troops all over the place, all over this world, for security purposes. We sent millions to Israel. We sent millions to Ukraine, to Taiwan, to protect our democratic interests in those parts of the world, this would be close to home and certainly in our interest to support and empower the first free African

nation. Maybe I'm just too idealistic, so shoot me down whenever you want to get started, okay? Excellent question, and I'd like to answer that. As I said earlier, U.S.'s foreign policy towards Haiti in the past have been detrimental, and they continue to be detrimental. There have been some good, but there have been a lot of bad as well. When you look at under Ronald Reagan, there was a Caribbean Bassin Initiative Act, which essentially gave preference to American farmers to send rice to Haiti, which completely decimated Haiti's agriculture sector and rice sector. And President Bill Clinton, when he became president, he actually apologized for that

policy, I believe, back in 20—at some point after his presidency, he apologized because he realized how he had completely—the policy had completely destroyed Haiti's farming sector, and in particular, the rice sector. That's one. Secondly, the Haitian people have been resistant in the United States going in, providing military assistance. The Haitian people believe that they have the solutions to addressing their insecurity crisis. And they also understand that the insecurity issue is man-made. And if there is political will, as I said earlier, if you address the guns coming into the country, you address the oligarchs, the political elites that are financing these gangs, if they are sanctioned and they are dealt with from a judicial standpoint, then you won't have the issue.

So many people in Haiti and many organizations, including the National Haitian American Elected Officials Network, have told President Biden and the Department of State, do not send this mission to Haiti, because they believe that there are other ways that this issue could be addressed internally. So the U.S. cannot put its face up front. So the U.S. has recruited Kenya and some other countries to help address the crisis. So that's just the reality. And then I talked about the U.N. mission that went to Haiti after the earthquake, well, the officers, the peacekeeping officers, brought cholera into the country. And it is a fact. They've acknowledged it. And how many people have been, have restitution been paid to? Zero. Imagine this had happened in America. And you are a lawyer. You know this. People would

have had to be compensated. So people are very fearful when it comes to foreign intervention, because in the past it has not worked. And when we talk about humanitarian assistance, there is data that shows that for every dollar that goes to the Republic of Haiti, 90 cents comes right back to Washington. So we say to ourselves, well, Congress is sending all of this money to Haiti. What are these people doing with the money? Well, the reality is that it's coming right back to Washington. The country is making only 10 percent, 10 cents on the dollar, which is why I, as a Haitian American, I advocate for an economic package to help with the

construction, with the redevelopment of the country's infrastructures and institutions. And as you said, before I go to Rebecca, you said that it wasn't just Kenya that was helping. You said Jamaica and some other countries too are sending support. Absolutely. It's a multinational force that will be led by Kenya, but Jamaica is also one of the countries. And some activists have argued, why is some of these countries already been involved? Because they have their own human rights violations at home when it comes to their police officers as well. All right, Rebecca, question for Johanna. There's so much to spend over an hour

talking about this. I just want to point out, I really appreciate you talking about the rich history of Haiti. And just for folks to understand, Haiti was the most prosperous colony in the Americas. It's so nutrient rich, has many great natural resources, has very fertile soil. There's no reason why Haiti isn't more prosperous unless there is American hegemony that's stopping it. So I have a question. 2010 earthquake happened. Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, the Clinton Foundation decided that they wanted to do some stuff for the people in Haiti. And unfortunately, Bill Clinton was the interim, I think, interim director of the Future of Haiti Commission. I know I'm using the wrong name, but in essence, it was trying to develop Haiti. And one of the tasks was rebuilding the port that was almost completely demolished from the 2010 earthquake. Millions, hundreds of millions and billions of dollars

were supposed to flow into Haiti to rebuild infrastructure. None of those things happened. And the earthquake was 14 years ago. Not only that, we also saw that Bill Clinton actually got a lot of multinational companies to come into Haiti, saying Haiti was open for business. And it wasn't very clear that Haitians were actually going to benefit from all these multinational companies, or if it was just they were coming in running roughshod over Haitians. So my question is, or maybe can you expound on what the Clinton impact was on Haiti

since 2010, since the earthquake? And maybe that'll even illuminate Scott's question with why there is resistance to the United States showing up as, hey, we're your friend, we're going to come and help you, Haiti, when that simply has not been the history of U.S. relations with Haiti? Obviously, unfortunately, I don't have the data in front of me to answer your question, because I like to support what I say with data. But what I can tell you is that there has been a number of advocates, human rights advocates and people from the diaspora who have called on President, former President Bill Clinton, to be held accountable, he and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, for what transpired with those funds that were raised to help with the rebuilding of Haiti.

The reality is that Haiti is one of the most underdeveloped countries in the world, in the Americas. With all of the promises that's been made, the country has not seen much improvement in terms of economic opportunity. Right now, one of the most thriving sectors in Haiti, unfortunately, is the textile sector. And we know a lot of the times these factories, people are treated inhumane. And there's been a great deal of protest, people asking for fair wages. And this sector is supported by various legislation through Congress. You have the Hope Health, the CBTPA. While it's good to have jobs, but these people, some of these folks are treated inhumane within that sector.

So I think that—and by no means do I just want to blame Haiti's international partners, because the reality is that Haiti, unfortunately, has had its share of despicable, I will say, leaders who are not patriotic, who are not there to defend the economic nor the social interests of its people. That's the reality. So I think it is time for Haiti to be able to have leaders who actually care about the people, who actually love the people, who genuinely want to see change for the country. Because while foreign policy have indeed undermined the development of the country—some foreign policy, should I say, to clarify that—but the leaders of Haiti, they have not been the

best. They have not really defended the interests of the country. And I can say this, because I served as a senior foreign policy advisor to two different sitting Haitian ambassadors here in Washington and two ministers of foreign affairs. So I know this firsthand. And it is disgusting. It is despicable. It is time that we have true patriotic folks in Haiti who are going to defend the interests of the people. Well, you answered my question because I was going to ask you, with all of this information that you have, you've made us all so much more smarter. Whose ear do you have the attention of to give them these ideas and insight that you have shared with us this evening?

As a child of Haiti. A lot of times the big economic forces we hear about on the news show up in our lives in small ways. Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action. And that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into

the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Business Week editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams, and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I know a lot of cops and they get asked all the time, have you ever had to shoot your gun? Sometimes the answer is yes.

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Incorporated on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Binge episodes 1, 2, and 3 on May 21st and episodes 4, 5, and 6 on June 4th. Ad-free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. I'm Clayton English. I'm Greg Lott. Add free at Lava for Good Plus on Apple Podcasts. Ricky Williams, NFL player, Heisman Trophy winner. It's just a compassionate choice to allow players all reasonable means to care for themselves.

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I served the ambassadors I talked about earlier, ministers of foreign affairs, and I went to Congress, served as a senior staffer and worked on Haiti issues. And now I'm in the private sector and hoping to do some good, to continue to do some good. And I will continue to be an advocate for my country, because I think that Haiti is such a profound country, such a rich history. And I think black people all over the world should be paying attention. Because Haiti's history is not just our history. It is the history of the world. Because as we know it, the Haitian independence sparked something in the enslaved people here in America and all over the world.

So I think it is in our interest to see a more thriving Haiti so that we can have somewhere to go visit that is about two hours away from the United States. But besides that, we need to preserve Haiti's history because it is all of our history. All right. Well, thank you so much for shedding light on everything this evening, Joanne.

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that must not be forgotten. The Washington Post-University of Maryland poll showed that 55% believed that the riot was a stark assault on Democratic principles. In comparison, 43% said too much is being made of the riot and that it's time to move on. The poll was conducted December 14th through 18th and included 1,024 respondents. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.1 percentage points. So, Scott, my question to you is, are you surprised about these numbers? I mean,

55 percent said that this was an assault on democracy. Did you think it would have been more or is that sounding right about right? You can look at the videos in the January 6th report and say it was an assault on democracy. Kind of a given, right? Right. It's just, you know, America needs to be in therapy.

Like, I got a great therapist for America. The whole concept and precept of this January 6th piece. You know, what the polling really shows is that Donald Trump and the GOP pushback is an effective machine of communication, that the Fox News network is an effective voice for offsetting what otherwise most of America would see as a traumatic experience. You couple that with 20 to 30 percent who believe in political violence because of the

state of America, which is the majority of those are GOP voters or MAGA voters, rather, and you can understand where it's a 50-50 piece. You can understand where Trump and Biden are tied neck and neck despite Trump's, you know, facing 91 federal and state felony criminal charges. I mean, the rhetoric and the fake news, the real fake news, is being put forth by the GOP MAGA machine and Donald Trump. And the media, whether they're voluntary or whether they're unwilling prisoners of those communications, day in and day out report on it. And so America is angry. It's confused. It knows about democracy. It knows how it should feel. But it finds itself feeling completely differently for all the chaos that is going on between them and all the news, the counter news that they are

getting. And so it's a stalemate, basically, which is why I say 2024 is going to be huge to see what the voters ultimately come out with. They're either going to choose democracy and Biden and Harris, or they're going to choose chaos and no community with Donald Trump and the GOP. And it's not going to be an easy call. It's not going to be an easy call. And then lastly, let me say this about both political parties.

After 2024, no matter who wins and who loses the White House and the House and the Senate, both parties are going to have to regroup. Biden and Trump don't have a future in either party after 2024. If one of them wins, God bless them, but the party in this country will never be the same as a result of 2024. You should interview me in about 12 months and see if I'm right about this. This country is going to be completely transformed for the good or the bad after 2024. It is going to go one way or the other, as you said, and I will check back with you in 12 months. I think, Rebecca, when we think about these polls, you got to ask, who are they

asking, actually? I mean, we're talking about, well, I think I said about over 1,200 respondents to this poll. But these polls, I'm always thinking about, who are they asking? I don't get asked any of these polls. I don't know about you, but I certainly think that that makes a difference in all of this. You know, those respondents, those are Nikki Haley's people, the same people who don't believe that slavery was the reason for the Civil War. I mean, Nikki Haley, I don't want to go on a tangent, but what's her full name? Nimarata Radahala? Yes. Haley, but she wants to be Nikki.

She wants to be Nikki for a reason, because she wants to be white passing, because she understands in this country, you have to conveniently ignore the racist past and current present of this country in order to move ahead. You have to assimilate. And so these are those same people, because they don't want to be disturbed. They don't want to think about those things. You know why? Because they don't want to take responsibility and accountability that these were their fathers, their husbands, their sons, even themselves, who took part in trying to tear apart our democracy, because they were throwing a fit, because some orange man in the White House who don't give two flying figs about them lost an election. But the thing about Trump that made him so dangerous, he turned himself into an everyman,

where these people, they saw themselves with him. Like, even now, Trump is telling them, hey, they're coming after me. If they'll come after me, they'll come after you, too. No, that's not the case. Unless you're defrauding, you're defrauding by millions of dollars, not properly putting stuff on your taxes, getting, scamming to get loans, filing for all

these bankruptcies. That's right. Literally committing felonies to stay in the White House and also trying to do an attempted assassination or at the very least assault against your vice president because he won't join the get along, the go along to get along gang. So it's, I mean, this whole thing is crazy. I'm not surprised. This is what they think. And after that, the rape and assault charges, all of that, and defamation, and the list goes on. Um, Scott, I think one of the most interesting things is that the way that January 6th has become this piece of propaganda that's making Trump surge in the polls, it's as if they're looking at the video

and seeing a completely different reality and not really acknowledging what was going on there. People died. After that, people then committed suicide. completely different reality and not really acknowledging what was going on there. People died. After that, people then committed suicide. It's just amazing what January 6th has become to have a poll come out with these numbers. Yeah, I think there are people in this country

who were polled or even not polled who see the January 6 insurrection as outrageous, you know, anti-democratic. But they see it as a small fringe portion of the United States voting population. They see it as the outlier, the far-right extreme manifesting what Donald Trump told them, and that they never really had a chance to overthrow the government or to stop the peaceful transfer of power. Eventually, the police put them down. They've been prosecuted. We've learned our lessons. It'll never happen again. And let's move on. And if Donald Trump is running for office, the voters will say yes or no. And if we vote him back in, then we get what we deserve.

That's interesting, but far too dangerous, which is why the lawsuits to keep him off the ballot based on what he said and what he's done and the bad acts, criminal acts that he's committed, that this democracy cannot afford another attack. And you're going to get those attacks if you put him back in office. You know, American democracy is not immune from being tested, from being attacked. We are not immune from a race war or a revolutionary war or civil war in this country. We're so comfortable after 200 years, 400 years, we're so comfortable with the strength of our democracy that many of us don't believe that it could ever fall, that we would ever go to a dictatorship or socialism or pure capitalism. And the reality is, why not? Why shouldn't it be tested because of what's

on the minds of men? And so we are at a real juncture in 2024. Donald Trump called, I mean, Roland Barth calls it white fear. You know, foundations say that in 2043 we're going to be a country of color for the first time. You had the Boogaloo Boys and these other far-right racist extremist groups who talk about our land, our blood, as if they built it. They're talking about our land and our blood that built it, if you will.

And so whether it's 2043 or the lead-in to 2043, we're in a race war and a political war, a political race war right now. We're just in denial about it. We are. It's going on right now. We just haven't taken up arms. When do we take up arms? It's going to be on and popping.

It's reality. That's not an outlier thought process. I'm a moderate, business conservative Democrat. Yeah. And I can tell you, we're in a political race war right now, and 2024 is gonna trigger either more or less. That's right. Depending upon how you vote. The 45% of the people said,

hey, let's just move on. You know, January 6th is not a let's move on situation. I know for me, I remember where I was when I saw what was going on TV. I mean, it's like when people remember when somebody was assassinated or when they first saw the George Floyd video, you remember that is not, Rebecca, a let's move on situation. Well, look, you know what? To piggyback off of what Scott just said, we built this country. So I'll tell you what, I'll cut a deal. You run me my reparations, then we can talk about whether or not we're going to move on. And so you cut me my check.

I got nothing to say to you. All right, let's move on actually to some other news. Former advisors to Donald Trump and Dr. Ben Carson have admitted to unlawfully lobbying on behalf of Qatar. According to the Justice Department, Barry Bennett and Douglas Watts admitted to lying about their work, running a pair of Washington, D.C.-based advocacy groups that advocated for Qatar's interests. They did so without registering as agents for the wealthy Middle Eastern country. The duo created an organization called Yemen Crisis Watch that promoted a public relations campaign

denigrating Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates for their role in the conflict in Yemen, all on behalf of Bennett's Qatari clients. Bennett has agreed to pay the U.S. a $100,000 fine as part of the deferred prosecution agreement, while Watts will pay a $25,000 fine. Both Bennett and Watts served as advisors to Carson's 2016 presidential campaign

before Bennett ultimately joined Trump's campaign as an unpaid advisor. Rebecca, kind of more of the same. I mean, when we think about people who are trying to get away with things in the dark that ultimately come to the light. You know, uh, just thinking about the story, you know, Dr. Carson used to be a black hero, right?

I feel like it was a rite of passage to either watch the movie Gifted Hands or read the book Gifted Hands. And, you know, to hear him like we used to see him and he was someone to aspire to with all the great things that he's done in the medical field. And then he decides to get into politics. Like, I'm really trying to figure out who's your family, who's your friends. You can't have a lot of black friends if this is how you end up. And then you have the worst people around you. Like for a man to be so smart and then not be discerning enough to know who you should have around you. And a bunch of grifters around him. You know, he was like a clown in the circus not understanding that he was the circus.

And just a bunch of people around him who, you know what, it's another reason. Hey, folks, November 2024, there's an election. There we go. You can have, there is an election. We can't have those clowns back. You might not like who's in the White House right now, but we can't go back there.

Scott, I just want to close with you some quick comments on that story. Your take. Well, Rebecca's going so hard tonight. She is! You know, I do white-collar criminal defense work. What they did in this case that you just reported on really didn't bother me, only the fact that I didn't get a chance to represent them. But that's another story. You know, you have grifters in both parties. People trying to make money. And this was a money grab and an opportunity for lobbyists or consultants to try to make some money off foreign entities. Most of us who are lobbyists and consultants in the U.S. have no problem representing these foreign

interests. However, when it crosses the line into criminality and you're underreporting or you're not registering as lobbyists, then that becomes a real problem. This is the first sentencing agreement. These convictions go away after a year if they do their compliance program. The fines seem to be minimal, and so they got off with a slap on the wrist, if you will. But it sends a message to others at DOJ, and the government is serious about this. And I think that from a legal perspective, that's really all this represents because you find graft, you know, in both parties

and, you know, all across the country. You just do. Sorry, Rebecca, you go hard on me. And Rebecca... There's a lot of bad actors out here, trust me. Yeah, Rebecca, as we close... I'm like you, Rebecca. I want to see Ben Carson in an extended interview so that we can all just ask collectively,

what happened right there? All right. More. If I may, guys, what happened was you loved his medical expertise and his surgical skill. You didn't ask him about his politics all those years. If you asked him about his politics, he would have gotten it earlier. You know what? That is a whole other conversation

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23 Tips to Get Your Baby to Sleep Through the Night, End Your Exhaustion, and Live a More Balanced Life, Nesta Lumpkin, says she can teach you how to get your baby to sleep through the night in less than two weeks. We want to hear this, Nesta. She joins me from Lawrenceville, Georgia. Thank you so much for being with us today. Hi, Candace.

It's so good to be here. Yes, indeed. Listen, you have the attention of so many parents who tonight, as they're watching this, are figuring out who is going to go in that room and tend to the baby. Let me ask you, first of all, how did you even get into this to find out that

you had the gift to help put babies to sleep? Wow, that's such a great question. You know, when I coach clients, they ask me the same thing, and this is what I tell them. I was also in a lot of moms' shoes. When I had my first child, I had no clue what to do. And when it came to sleep, like putting them to sleep, it was a similar story. And right around the time when my maternity leave ended and I was about to go back to work, I told my husband, I'm really nervous. I can't focus and function at work just on having three hours of sleep. So we had to figure it out. So between me and my husband, we started teaching our baby how to sleep and we were consistent and it worked.

And now after having three children in eight years and for doing this consistently, my baby sleep throughout the night, then my friends would come over and they would be like, how did you get your children to sleep, all three of them in like less than 10 minutes. And so I would tell them and they would be like, how did you share children to sleep, all three of them, in like less than 10 minutes? And so I would tell them. And they were like, wow, can you teach me how to do that?

And so that's how I got into baby sleep coaching. Wow. OK, so you have to share some of the goods here. Talk to me about what you tell other people in terms of what works, or I would imagine it might depend upon your baby. So it's a lot of factors and each parent-child relationship is unique. But one thing that is very consistent is being consistent. So a lot of parents tend to feel overwhelmed. They feel like

they want to give up. There's so much information out there. And when I coach my clients or when I'm speaking to parents or moms at a conference, I make sure I tell them like, if you can stay consistent, once you create a bedtime routine for your baby, if you keep that up every day, no matter what, even if you fall off and you go back to it, you will reap the benefits. Consistency is key. Babies thrive on predictability. Wow. Okay, so take me to a baby that you have worked with.

Explain to me what the problem might have been and then how you help, I guess you work with both parents when they're two parents, kind of bring them through to that two week period where everything is lullaby. So at first, a lot of parents are intimidated by the process. They are really not too thrilled about doing the cry it out method. And that's what a lot of people think about when they hear the term sleep training. That's right. So I use the, I use the term sleep coaching because when you work with me, you are learning how to teach your

baby to sleep through the night, teaching them healthy sleep habits. And one thing that I teach both parents, usually it's the mom who all, a lot of this falls onto, but I try to bring the dads in as well because it takes two to do this. And so you have to just be firm. It's not just about teaching your baby how to sleep. It's about developing your leadership style with that particular child and how many children you have. Your leadership style will differ between you and each child. So you want to get that down early on when they're babies and just creating that bond, like having that one-on-one time with your child, reading to them at night, singing lullabies,

creating that rhythm that will soothe your baby. It will take you far, it will take you to the distance as they grow older and they'll sleep better and be healthier for it. And how are you defining baby? Are we talking newborn? Are we talking that they have to be six months in order for this to be effective? Candace, that's a very good question. I get that question a lot when I get clients come to me from my website, Free Gift from Nesta. There is a nice way to get your baby to start sleeping through the night. The sweet spot is when your baby is around four months old. That's when their bodies are more developed. Their circadian rhythm is defined and they can sleep longer. If your child is younger,

like an infant to four months old, you're really working on establishing a routine, basically. You're pretty much at their mercy during that time. So sleep coaching is for babies who are four months old or older. In the toddler stage, also up until five years. But honestly, the sooner you start teaching your baby how to sleep, the better. So from around the four month mark.

So in terms of how you work with people, are people at home and their babies aren't going to sleep the better. So from around the four month mark. So in terms of how you work with people, are people at home and their babies aren't going to sleep and then they're calling you at your home while you're asleep to ask you for tips? How do you work that into your schedule in terms of giving them advice at the time when the baby needs to sleep? What is the training like?

So the training, it's prime time during 7.30 7 30 at night to 9 PM at night, right? In my household, I have to put my children to sleep. So the training is done virtually on zoom and it's usually in the daytime. So I coach clients, um, on zoom one-on-one or in groups. And then, you know, throughout the night, then they can chat with me privately on my WhatsApp group. So I have 24 seven support and parents reach out to me that way. And then during the sessions with the baby sleep accelerator program during the daytime, then when I get to answer a lot of questions and teach them the steps they need to take at night. A little bit of irony there that you sometimes now don't get your sleep. Let me ask you about your three children. What did you

get better at as you had one child after the other to the third child? How did you even figure this out? What were your testing mechanisms? They were guinea pigs in a way, I'm sure. They were the guinea pigs. And I got better at rolling with the punches. I got better at being flexible and learning that each child is different. Like my second daughter was such an easy baby when it came to sleep. Like she would literally roll out my arms into the crib, like, okay, I don't need you doing all this extra work. Just I want to sleep. And then my third, my youngest, she's three years old now, and she is giving me a run for my money. So when I tell my clients that you have to stay consistent and you have to be firm in your leadership and you have to have a vision, be determined. Sleep coaching your baby is a test. It's such a big test of who you are going to be moving forward as a leader, as a

parent in your household and for your family. Let me see if my guests have some questions. Scott, I want to start with you, your thoughts. What are your questions? I have zero thoughts. I got three grown daughters. I can't even think about babies. You can't even think of that time. I mean, what was it like for you, though? I mean, did you have the sleeping patterns down? Were you good at that, Scott?

Well, I had twin daughters. I remember that. And I was going to ask our guest, we would put them in separate cribs and separate rooms because they were uneven in their sleep patterns, but then what we found out was if we put them in either the same crib or the cribs together, we felt like if one went to sleep, the other one, even at an early age, would go to sleep.

And that's how we got into a better sleep pattern. And they would sleep 10, 12 hours a day early on. And eventually, we kept the Cribs together. And as they grew up, they're twins, so they had that sixth sense with each other. They had their own language. But I thought keeping them together helped us with our own sleep. Because, you know, when you got multiple births, guys, you got to jump in.

You can't have your wife or the mother do all of that. That is correct. They want to, but you really can't when you got two babies there. Yes. But the other thing, um, uh, to our guests is I was scared to death when I had multiple births, because I was scared not to help, actually. So do you have any comments on my observations? Yeah, especially with twins.

I'd be interested. Yeah, twins and triplets. I know someone with triplets that might make a difference, I would imagine, Onesta. Yeah, so when you have multiple, you mentioned both strategies that I would use. You can separate them, put them in separate rooms. You can put them in separate cribs because each child, even if they're twins, they're different and their temperaments may be different. And you have to divide and conquer sometimes. So if both parents have to separate into two different rooms, that could also work. In the beginning, you want to keep your babies in the same room as you. So that's also another option just so you can keep an eye on

them. And for me, for example, personally, I have a massive room and all three of my children in there. So it's not like having triplets, but it's, it's similar because I have to deal with three different levels of like characters and attitudes and temperaments. And I still have to work it out. So definitely what you did, like by doing the separation and then putting them together and they fall asleep together, that also is an effective method. So what I teach clients is you don't get like stuck in one way of doing things. You have to be flexible. Babies grow, they change, things happen, they're teething, they get sick. And you as a parent, you have to know that I am confident I can do this. No matter what changes come my way, I can get these children to sleep. And that's what I teach my clients. But Nesta, I did it because I needed to get some sleep, especially if I had to be in court

the next day. This was about me. It wasn't really about them. And look, at least he's admitting the truth. Listen, Rebecca, you are going to have the last question this evening. Thank you so much for being on the show tonight, talking about this. There's been an increased awareness around Black maternal health, especially with some of the mortality rates associated with Black pregnant persons, even extending up to one year postpartum. So my comment and kind of a question is, I'm starting to see there's an uptick in Black women or Black birthing persons finding community. And just like there's an increase in

Black doulas, an increase in Black midwives. So are you finding ways to connect with some of the Black midwife associations or the Black doula associations to get your methodology out there, especially with the communities of Black women who are looking for support, especially postpartum? Yeah, so the postpartum period is a very personal topic for me. And yes, like there's an uptick in me reaching out to those organizations. It's not a lot of people who look like me in the baby sleep coaching arena. And so for a lot of black moms, it's, it's tough, like pregnancy, um, postpartum, it's not a lot of support out there for some of the moms in the black community. And so for me, my mom didn't get a lot of support. I was born in Harlem back in the 80s.

And so she lost, you know, lost me to foster care. So we got separated because she didn't have that support. And so I grew up in Jamaica in a completely different country from my mom. I was separated from my family that way. But it's tough. It's personal for me. So that's part of my mission to end negative cycles and to build strong families. And I know that in the Black community, the culture is not to hire a coach or go to therapy. If you feel like something's off, like maybe postpartum depression is sinking in, it's like culturally, you just figure it out.

You're supposed to be the strong black woman. But I'm here to stand today to say, no, it doesn't have to be that way. There's more help coming out now that can be a support system for black moms. It's tough out there, socioeconomics, Black moms being single moms a lot of times, or even with their spouse or a partner,

a lot of the work ends up on Black moms. And sometimes we don't know how to speak up and ask for help. And so I am here. My website, freegiftfromnesta.com can offer support for help. And so I am here. My website, free gift from nesta.com can offer support for you. You can reach out to me and you can get a session with me where we work things out and see how you can get help. So yes, there's help out there. Two quick questions. Number one, is this a big field? Because you mentioned other people and there weren't people who look like you in this particular field.

And number two, we want to know how to get your book. Yeah. So the field is growing. A lot of people are online in these baby sleep communities. They're looking for answers. And sometimes, you know, they're looking for all these different coaches. But it's so much information out there. It can get so overwhelming. Um, so I'm here, other coaches are out there if it's not me, but I speak to moms at mom conferences, baby expos. I consult with companies about retaining top talent when they come back from maternity leave or paternity leave. Ah, yes. And yes, because advocate for that. I was in that shoot, like that same spot, working full time and giving birth to three babies and going back to work. It was not easy.

So my goal is to make that transition smoother for parents when they go back to work. All right. Are we going to leave us with the book information before we go? Yes. You can find my book on Amazon or Kindle. All right. We thank you so much for being with us, Linesa. Such an interesting field and a way to end the night on a good note. Good to see you. And thank you for being with us. Thank you so much for having me. All right. And I'm Candace Kelly. You've been watching Roland Martin Unfiltered. Thank you so much for joining us this evening,

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