Rotten Mango - #138: The Sunset Killer (Serial Killer Douglas Clark)

Episode Date: February 9, 2022

Carol demanded to see what Doug had been doing with his other women. Recently their relationship had changed - all Doug cared about was cheating with other women and threesomes. He warned her. This would scare her away. She couldn’t handle the truth. Doug was smug. He walked over and he plopped down into the sink… A severed head. Carol didn’t scream, she didn’t run, instead, she sat down and started applying makeup on the severed head. Doug was her man and she would stick by him. Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to this week's main episode of Rotten Mango. I'm your host Stephanie Sue, and let's jump right into it. No, no, no, no, no, Carol. You cannot see this. Carol was upset. Why not? I want to know what you've been doing behind my back with all these other girls. Show me what's going on. And he keeps telling her, no, no, but this, this is gonna freak you out. It's too much, you can't handle it.

You're gonna go berserk. If it wasn't already clear, Doug and Carol do not have a conventional relationship. Carol spent most of her time trying to please Doug with these three sums, but for the past few weeks, things were changing. Doug was becoming more and more adventurous. He was on a mission to fulfill his deepest, darkest desires. Okay fine. Doug relented. He pulled out the bag from the freezer, and he said, but don't say I didn't warn you. And there, he plopped

down into the sink, a severed head. Carol gasped, but she didn't really call the cops. She didn't even scream, she didn't run, instead she sat down and started putting makeup on the severed head. So that her boyfriend could have some more fun. This is probably the most disturbing case we've talked about in a while. So let's just get into it. As always, full show notes are available at rotinminglepodcast.com, but there's a really good book on this case called The Sunset Murders by Luis Farh,

who is an investigative journalist, and this is honestly such a well-written, well-researched, intense read. Honestly, the whole book is rather heartbreaking and this whole case is, but the author really put in that work, they interviewed over 80 different people, went through the court documents, the tape recordings, the transcripts, even visited an interviewed Douglas Clark in prison. He also interviewed Carol Bundy, who really is like a pivotal point in this story. So you're like, who the hell is this girl, Carol? And why is she

putting makeup on a severed head? Well, let's talk about her. Carol Bundy was the youngest of three kids. No association with Ted Bundy, as of right now. She had an older brother named Jean and an older sister named Vicki. Her dad Charles worked as like a movie theater troubleshooter. Now, this was not a stable position. They were constantly moving.

It's not like that one movie theater was constantly breaking down, he would travel from city to city, state to state just fixing up these movie theaters. Meanwhile, Carol's mom Gladys, she worked as a tap dancer. At one point, the family ends up in LA and they start putting their son to work. So remember his name is Jean? He's the eldest. This is Carol's older brother. He was put to work as a child actor in Hollywood.

He started in 14 different movies. Like he wasn't the main lead, but he did really well, and it's kind of insane. Carol visited him on set one day, and she had to be dragged off. She said, that was the happiest moment of my life. I want to do what my brother does. And Carol's mom would sit her down and say,

well, Carol, you can't, because you're ugly. Out. So imagine like being five, and this is your mother. And it gets even worse. Carol thought that her mom Gladys was the most beautiful woman that ever existed to grace this planet. And Carol's older sister looked just like Gladys, but Carol did not. And it was something that the whole family kept reminding her of. When Carol turned eight, Gladys straight up said,

I don't really want you. I'm disowning you because I don't want a quote, ugly daughter. She locked Carol out of the house, and when Carol begged to be let back in, Gladys would yell through the door, go away little girl, you don't live here, you aren't my little girl. So Carol sat outside, crying hysterically. She would even cry into her 20s anytime she thought about this incident or someone talked about it. I mean, this is really traumatizing. She finally calmed down a little bit. Rand two miles to her dad's work. He drove her home and he's like arguing with his wife.

Like, what's wrong with you, Gladys? This is our daughter, you're sick and twisted. And since that day, Carol said, she kind of felt dead to her mom. Sure they lived together, they coexist, but Carol felt like her mom did not care about her. She didn't even want her to be around. So this just pushes her closer to her dad.

And this and the fact that Carol's older siblings also hated her too. So Jean, the older brother, was jealous from the minute that Carol was born. Because he was like, wow, this newborn baby is gonna get so much attention. And I should be the one getting all this attention. I'm a child after, you know.

And there was an incident where they came home back from the hospital with baby Carolyn Toe. This is like the first time they're coming back from the hospital. Jean is closing that car door and he slammed his hand in it. And he blamed Carol and he never forgave her for it. So as Carol's growing up, you know, he would just be vicious. He would grab all of her favorite things, her toys, her barbies, he would bury them in the sand.

He just loved seeing Carol cry. So all of this just pushes Carol closer and closer and closer to her dad. It's like the only person in her life that seems to accept her. He was a good parent at least. He loved Carol and honestly, Carol was confused. She said she went through a rough time where she kind of thought her childhood was abusive but she didn't know for a fact. So, for example, during Christmas, her parents would spend money on gifts, even though money

is tight, and they would hide them around the house and have these kids go on these treasure hunts and it was really cute. Gladys would tell the kids bedtime stories and and on paper her parents were really great, but Vicki, Carol's older sister had a very different view. She said, we were all abused. Our mom loved to beat us. It was to the point if you gave her a belt and she started hitting us, she would go to town. She wouldn't stop.

Someone had to physically peel off Gladys from her own bloody children. That's how crazy she was with these beatings. And I think Carol is just blocking it out all out of her memory. There was this one incident where I saw Carol sitting on the chair reading a book and Mom came up and started beating her face with a belt. Mom didn't stop until she got tired. Carol just sat there, she didn't scream, she didn't cry, she didn't try to run away, she didn't even try to shield her face. Instead, when Mom got tired and she sat down, Carol got up, smiled, smirked, and left the room. Okay.

He was like, wow, that's a lot. So I mean, doesn't the dad Charles love the kids? Why didn't he stop his life? Why didn't he call the cops on her? Because that's crazy. I don't know, but he did tell her, Gladys, you can't beat our kids anymore. I'm going to beat them instead. Now the kids accepted their dad's beatings.

They felt like their dad had done it for love. They were being beat for the sake of discipline and not because their dad wanted to. It's almost like the beating hurt their dad as well. It hurt him to hit his kids. So when Carol turns 9, she starts not being able to see well. She goes to a doctor and gets herself her first pair of glasses. And this ignited a self-hate inside of Carol. She felt even more ugly now.

She had this mousy brown hair, body like a dumpling is how she called it. And now people call her four eyes. That's what they called her at school. They even called her Miss Encyclopedia because Carol liked to read the dictionary for fun. Which like, honestly, I'm jealous of people like that. It's not really something to make fun of. And it just seems like Carol cannot for the life of her catch a freaking break.

At 14, a few years later, Carol is home alone with her mom. And her mom calls out to her in a super weak voice from the room. Call your dad at work, tell him to come home right now. Carol doesn't think anything of it, she rings up her dad and Charles rushes home, takes Gladys to the doctor, and I mean the kids at this point, they can kind of assume that their mom is sick. For sure, but they're not expecting their dad to come home alone, and tell them, your

mother is dead. What? She had a heart attack. And just like that, their mom was gone. Really? Yeah. And that was the night. Well, she, she smoked a lot.

She did a lot of really bad things for her health, you know? Okay. So dad didn't just dump her somewhere? No, no. She definitely died. And then that was the night that Charles turned into the devil. That very night, the girls were in the living room with Charles watching a movie.

And honestly, I don't think he should have been watching a movie like this with his kids. It was called sentimental journey. It's about a dying woman who adopts a daughter to be her husband's companion after death. And I'm sure maybe I'm just reading this inopsis of that weird, maybe companion as in just someone to love Polotonically as a daughter. I don't know

So Charles just kept telling his girls that he doesn't want to be alone and that one of the girls needs to come sleep with him So the two daughters they play a couple of games and the loser would have to sleep with their dad in his room And I really don't think that they assumed anything would happen I think that these assumed anything would happen. I think that these girls were just at the age where they liked their own bed. They liked their privacy. But now their dad is sad.

So I mean, it's like you sleeping with your parent in the same bed. It's like uncomfortable, but maybe you're on vacation. And there's only one bed. So they played rock paper scissors shoot. And the loser, Vicki, the older sister, she lost. Now, that was the first night that Vicki was sexually assaulted by her own father. She was ordered to perform filetio on him and she was just 17 years old.

So for the next few months, Charles is rubbing Vicki and eventually he comes to Carol and he tells her, you gotta take over for your mom now. And Carol cried and said you're disgusting, but he didn't care. He kept molesting her. Now, for a little while, the abuse stopped because Charles was dating and he gets remarried. So all within the eight months since Gladys' death, he has assaulted both of his daughters

and gotten remarried. I mean, this guy is, he's busy. Now, Carol's life did not get easier with her stepmom because Charles had this thing where he just loved humiliating his own kids in front of his new wife. He would just straight up call Carol, fat and stupid, and then would continue to molest her behind closed doors. And this is kind of when the kids find out

that Charles is a raging alcoholic. They were shocked. Gladys hid it from them for years, for decades. She would always hide Charles in their bedroom and say, oh, your dad's not feeling well. Your dad is sick. But now they know the truth. He wasn't sick.

He was just bledrantly drunk. And this is like a crazy shock to Carol, who grew up her entire life thinking, everybody sucks. But my dad, my dad is a hero, my savior. But now, now it's like what? So instead of coming to terms with this truth and being like, okay, your parents are never as great as they seem when you're a kid.

She convinced herself that her dad was grieving. This is just him acting out. For the loss of his beloved wife, I mean, who wouldn't handle it weirdly? Who wouldn't grieve in a strange way? Sure, he's molesting us, but it's honestly because he's going through a tough time. And it's a face, he's molesting us, but it's honestly because he's going through a tough time.

And it's a face, he's gonna get over it. But then Charles tried to kill her. Yeah no really, okay, a few months into his new marriage. Carolyn Vicki, they were out doing their thing. And Charles grabbed his shotgun, shot the pet cat, just shot at dead, and tried to shoot his new wife, but she managed to dodge, wrestle the gun away, called the cops, and Carol came home later and the dad was like, hey you want to know a secret? I was arrested because I was trying to kill all of you guys. The minute that you walked in through

that front door I was gonna blow your brains out. I was gonna kill you. What? So he's arrested but his ex-wife decided not to press charges, and all he got charged with and pled guilty to was disturbing the peace. Are you kidding me, disturbing the peace? So Carol and Vicki, they're sent to live with their grandma and Michigan. But within a year, Charles somehow gets them back. I don't know why the state is not doing anything about this. He drives them back to California, so they've been moving around. They're back in California. And even on the highway, he drives them back to California so they'd been moving around.

They're back in California and even on the highway, he started swerving onto different lanes just to try to scare them. And then they would never stay put. There was just no stability. During Carol's lifetime, she had gone to 23 different schools. And the sexual abuse just really traumatized her. As a trauma response, she believed that if she had sex with a man that they would love her, she started becoming incredibly sexually active, but with people that knew better.

So not just fellow students, but people like old bus drivers? Yes, school bus drivers, and the kids would make fun of her for it. They found out and they started this vicious rumor that she was pregnant with a bus driver's baby. So she's getting bullied. She's so distraught, she tries to take her own life at 17 years old. Then, a couple months later, she gets away from her dad and gets married to the first man who shows her any bit of love.

At 17, she marries a 56 year old guy named Leonard. He didn't even love her, he honestly just wanted to pimper out. So Carol did sex work during her time with Leonard. And then during this, she meets a guy named Dick Geys. And he's much younger, he's 32, still nowhere near an appropriate age to be dating a 17-year-old, but I digress. And Dick was instantly attracted to Carol. He said, and I quote, Carol was pathetically eager to please.

And she had quote, big boobs. So the two of them, they start dating, which side note, Dick said that he was an author of porn. So I don't know if that meant that he wrote erotic stories or if he was a screenwriter for porn, which by the way, I mean, they need better screenwriters for porn, but that's just another uphill battle for another day. Yeah, so he's writing porn and she's spending most of her time with Dick and when she turns 20 her dad hangs himself.

And she just felt like this was her fault for his death. Even though he's the one abusing her, he's the one that molested her and failed spectacularly as a father. Carol is just putting all of this guilt on herself. And Dick, instead of sticking by her side, he just keeps breaking up with her. They were constantly on and off. Carol even started experimenting with women. And she realized that they were just as bad as men. Woman will also break your heart.

Woman will also use you, and then you'll be left with nothing. So she went back to Dick. Unintentionally, but very true statement, she goes back to Dick. The guy and the guy. But Carol is still always getting hurt though. She just never stood up for herself. I mean, it's said that she was the type to just let people walk all over her and it was heartbreaking, but also kind of frustrating for people to see. Just like, come on, say something, just say no. Dick said that he knew that Carol was cheating on him. There was this 70 year old guy who ran a local bookstore and Carol would spend Thursday nights with him to earn $20 and as many books as she could physically carry out of his bookstore. Yeah, she had sex with him for books which it's

pretty heartbreaking. You say 70 year old? Yeah, 70 years old. So Carol begs Dick to put her through nursing school. Help her pay for it. Please, please, please. And he told her he would only if she gets good grades in nursing school. Like, you're not going to do this and fail and waste my money on tuition. But she did more than that. She was class-validictorian. Whoa.

Now, this is where the story gets a little bit confusing. During her nursing school days, Digg and Carol break up. They stay in touch, so they weren't on the worst of terms, right? But Carol meets another man by the name of Grant Bundy, and they get married. So Grant happened to be a nurse, and he again was older than her and the two of them end up having two sons. Let's call them Chris and Spike. And the whole time, Carol believes Grant was gay.

He just married her as a beard, that's what she told everyone. And she said the minute that she had kids, Grant changed. He started to belittle her. He would slap her around, eventually he would start punching her. He would beat the kids as well. And since Carol was used to seeing parents beat their kids, she just thought, oh, well this is normal. It took her a long time to leave Grant. And to make things worse, she went to an eye doctor.

And she was told that her eyesight is deteriorating rapidly and she's going to go blind and there's nothing to reverse this. I mean, she's in her mid-30s. She's a nurse. She cannot afford to go blind right now. She felt like her life was over. She had a quitter job. She was completely dependent on Grant now.

She could barely see anything that was in front of her face. She couldn't even see her face in the mirror. It was getting that bad. It was just blobs everywhere. But finally, when her kids were 6 and 4 years old, she decided that the abuse was too much. She packed her purse, found a local woman's shelter, and the nuns there. They told her about this place called Valerio Gardens. It's a local apartment complex in Van Nies, California,

in Los Angeles. And moving there, it would change girls like forever. And this is why. So the apartment manager, his name is Jack Murray. And you're like, wow, Stephanie, do we really need to go on a tangent about Jack Murray? Yes, we do. He's so partnered into this story.

Now, Jack Murray was a part-time singer, slash part-time apartment manager from Australia. He came to LA like a lot of people in the hopes of just making it big, becoming a superstar, but he needed a job in the meantime. So he's an apartment manager, and he showed Carol all the available units, and she really liked it. The apartment was well lit, and with her rapidly deteriorating eyesight, she really needed good lighting. So this was perfect.

She knew it wasn't luxurious. She could tell by even stepping on the carpet that it was cheap, but it was spacious for her and the kids. So she tells Jack, I'll take it. I'm going to drop off some boxes tomorrow. Is that great? And she moves in, and over time, she really gets to know Jack well. I mean, he would always stop by to fix things in their apartment, which things were constantly breaking.

And he would ask, hey, Carol, give a glass of wine, and he would sit down and he would spend hours talking, not even two-carol, just monologues about himself. He really loved talking about himself. That was his thing. His full name was John Robert Murray. He was born in Australia.

He grew up loving performing music. So he moves to the US and he stumbles across a couple of clubs. Maskers club though is the one that he talks about a lot because apparently Frank Sinatra had been a member of that club. Which by the way, in Jack's eyes Frank Sinatra's got nothing on him. Frank Sinatra's voice is wimpy. He's not even talented. I mean, it was pure luck that he became a household name. Jack Murray can outwit him, outbeat him, out sing him, out everything. Fork Frank Sinatra.

Yeah, he went on tangent. It's about Frank Sinatra. And then there were the war stories. So Jack had a really hard time sticking to one version. Sometimes he said he fought in the Vietnam War in the Australian Army and then sometimes he said that he was part of the undercover operations for the CIA in the US and then went to Vietnam and did assassinations and that sort of thing. So and Jack also was the type of guy that seemed to be into becoming someone in LA and he really only wanted to be someone so that he could get girls. He even married one of them after knowing her for just a week.

Her name was Jeanette and it's suspected that he only married her so that he could get a green card. So he keeps losing these jobs. Now this is before he's an apartment manager, okay? He keeps losing his jobs, never focusing on his music. He's desperate for cash and his wife that got pregnant, his wife that he married for a green card got pregnant. So he takes the job as the apartment complex manager.

He hated it. It's not a powerful position, but it's $1,000 a month and a free two bedroom apartment, free utilities, access to a swimming pool and flexible hours so we could still go to the clubs and sing. So Jack and his wife, they move in, they have their first kid, and you know, this baby even won the Burbank Beautiful Baby contest.

Oh yeah. Which is like... Starting them young. Exactly, and imagine that's like the peak of your life, because I feel like that would be the peak of my life. Yeah. The happiest moment. And then they had another baby.

And while they're still at the department complex, Jack's friends said that Jack was becoming power-hungry while he's managing the place. He would actually consider it my building. Like he would say, my place, my building, my people, and everyone's like, Brow, aren't you just managing the place and this is owned by some millionaire that's living in Hollywood Hills? Like, what's going on? And he'd be like, no, my building. Even his wife was getting scared of his power trips. He was adamant,

and he would constantly put it in her head on the head of the house, which like red flag, if someone ever said, I'm the man of the house, on the head of this house, and you will listen to me. The kids were not allowed to be kids. He hated when they went outside and played with other kids because he thought that they were getting dirty, and that dirty kids are just a sign of low class. The kids weren't allowed to spill anything or make any noise. He would hit them on the stomach and say, stand up straight. You need to look like a soldier. And Janette his wife, I mean, he just turned her into arm candy. He said if they ever left the house together, he would say, what are you wearing? You wearing pants?

No, go put on the shortest skirt you have and make sure you have a full face of makeup on. Like he wanted her to look like a, like I guess a bimbo is like how people would, like do you know what I mean? Like he wanted her to look, no thoughts in her brain. Yeah.

Like if she ever started talking about anything that wasn't like my hair, he would be like, we don't need to do this at the club. Like you can talk about mathematics when we get home. Can you just act like you don't think anything inside of that head of yours? It's so interesting that he wants that. Yeah, because he just was obsessed with making her look like arm candy. And he's like this successful dude.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he wants to look like, oh, I'm dating this girl that has just pretty. That's yes. And I am successful. And everyone would look at that couple and like, oh, I'm dating this girl that has just pretty. That's, yes. And I am successful. And everyone would look at that couple and go, man, I think she's probably dating him for the money. Like that kind of vibe, which I don't think anybody wants, even successful people, but like that's the vibe he wanted, really wanted it.

And he kept trying to get her to dye her hair blonde. And he would tell her, I love glaggy blondes. You've got the legs, but you should really consider bleaching your hair. And then there was the energy. Jack just had too much energy, and it was nervous energy, like not good energy. He could not sit still for two seconds. He was always redoing the wallpaper, changing his outfit five times a day. He would keep tonight up all night having sex,

to the point where she was so exhausted, she just wanted it to stop. I'm sure there were other reasons she didn't want to have sex with him. A huge one being that he was cheating on her and she probably knew. So even when her second child was born, when she was pregnant, she was actually rushed to the hospital for complications. Jack did not go to the hospital with her. He was at their home, their family home, with another woman. While their baby's life was on the line.

Are you kidding me? Are you serious? Anytime his wife was like, you need to stop cheating on me. He would just blame it on being Australian. He would say, us Australians just have permanently hard dicks. He would say that. And I would, I mean, if you're Australian, Pixar didn't happen. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

But like, why? So one time, Jack was so abusive, though, that he broke his wife's elbow. And this is when she decides, okay, I got to leave him. But he always would get her back by hunting her down at whatever motel she was at, bringing his guitar and serenading her through the window. And it was the same damn song every single time. It was, I can't help but falling in love with you. Yeah, that one.

Don't sing it. We're going to lose all our viewership. You sing it. I can't. You know what I'm talking about. And she would feel very pathetic. She hated herself for it. But for some reason, she just found herself always going back to him.

A huge reason probably was that she didn't have any money. And he always threatened her. If you leave me, I'll find you, and I will take those kids with me to Australia, and you will never see them again. Other than the war and the fact that he's better than Frank Sinatra, Jack did not tell Carol any of this. Any of the fact that he was sleeping with other women, that he was an abusive husband, none of that.

So Carol's just sitting there hearing about his sheer talent and his courageous army days, and she's in a really low point in her life. She's almost blind, running away from her abusive husband, and Jack, this talented guy, is taking time out of his day to talk to her. She was impressed. He even offered to drive her to the Social

Security Office to apply for disability payments. I mean, Carol was in love. By the third time he visited, they skipped the wine chat and they went straight to sex. They continued on with their affair, and Carol hid the affair from her sons because honestly they wanted to go back with their biological dad. Sure, he was abusive, but they were kids, so like the minute that he apologized, they forgave him. So Jack obviously hid this from his wife as well, and she genuinely thought that her husband was changing. He was such a good person. I mean, what kind of husband helps out a blind, single mom by driving her around to get her disability checks. And Carol was nice. Her boys were really polite, well-mannered, which is, it's got to be a sign that the mom is a good person, right?

But after a few months, Janette realized just how much time he was spending with Carol, and she was getting a little irked. Even if Jack were fixing up another tenant's apartment, Carol was there just standing next to him quietly. And she'd be like, what is she doing there with you? What does she want? Why is she just following you around? That's weird.

And Jeanette was annoyed, but she wasn't really suspicious. You know, and Jack would just shrug. I don't know, she just follows me. Jeanette did not know that Carolyn Jack were having sex and empty units. In Jack's car when he drove her around, and honestly to even say that they were having sex, is a very liberal statement to make. Jack was mainly the one on the receiving end. He really liked

Felatio, and apparently giving head was Carol's specialty. That's how they said it, not me, that's how they phrased it. And if Carol ever asked for anything in return, he would say, well you know, I'm from Australia. And the way it works over there is that men are men and women know their place. So no, you don't get to get off. Yeah. And Carol did not know better. She was just like, oh I guess that's how it works in Australia. She just went with it.

And Jeanette realized how funky fresh everything was. Sometimes, Carol would walk downstairs with her cane. Walk to Jack's parking spot, reach for his car, and realize it's not there, and we just walk back up. Jeanette would literally see this with her own two eyes. She also realized that Carol would sit on her little balcony, and the sound of Jack's car would come, she would rush inside, and when Jack walked in through the door, there'd be a call from Carol.

My friend just broke it. One of my boys dropped a toy down the toilet. Can you come fix it? My dishwasher's broken. And they all live in the single apartment. Yes. That's crazy. And if Jeanette didn't know that Jack liked Leggy Blonde,

she would have thought something strange was going on. But since she knew this, she just thought overall, Carol was harmless. Maybe she had a crush on Jack. And Jeanette even called Carol, quote, fat, short, and brunette. So she didn't really see her as a threat, I guess? And then one day, Carol showed up with blonde streaks in her hair. And just like that, Jeanette's eye twitched a little.

But she had no idea how bad it was. Jack was even taking Carol to the club that he sings at in his free time. Everyone knew that he was married. Everyone, Jeanette would go on the weekends with Jack. So now he's showing up with another woman and everyone nicknamed her the blind bat. Yeah, the blind bat, because I guess bats are blind. So that's great. Good people to hang out with.

And even though everyone knew that Carol wasn't Jack's wife and Jack's wife was at home, Carol could not hide her obsession with Jack at all. But one of the customers was confused. He was a regular. He'd seen Jack in Genet. He tells her, why are you cheating on your wife with someone uglier than your wife? And he looks at him. And Jack says, well, she gives great head. Even if Carol overheard, she might not have reacted in a way because Jack was the nicest person she had ever met in her eyes. For example, one time she said, Hey, Jack, I feel really insecure about my boobs because they're so big that I feel like they're not really attractive, like they're not perky,

they're so big that gravity weighs them down. And he sits there in silence and he thinks about it for a little. And he says, Yeah, but you have pretty nipples. And that was the nicest thing a man had ever said to Carol. So with Jack, Carol said she felt truly beautiful for the first time ever. And the small amounts of money that she was loaning Jack, I mean, was all worth it.

She was in love and giving him money made her feel like for once she had some control in a relationship. Carol would ask him, Jack, do you think we'll ever be together? Yes, but years down the line when both of our divorces are finalized, but you know, divorce is expensive. You don't have money for a divorce.

I don't have that type of money right now, but eventually we will. And Carol believed him. Why wouldn't she? Carol even got a second opinion like he told her to about her eyes. And she found out that it wasn't an irreversible condition. It was cataracts. She just needed a few surgeries and she would have her life back.

So she told herself, Jack loves me. He loves me more than he loves Jeanette. But they would have like little low moments when she would see the two together and they just look so happy. And would cause her to spiral into these little depressions and in order to feel powerful in their relationship again she would shower Jack with expensive gifts. And then a very traumatic thing happened. Carol was able to get her vision permanently restored. It would always be a bit distorted but she could see rather clearly again, clearly enough

to get her job back as a nurse. And that's when she realized the first time looking in the mirror in years. She was not beautiful. Jack made her feel beautiful. Like she was the prettiest girl in the world that she was prettier than his wife Jeanette, but she wasn't. And then she saw Jack for the first time. And was like, you know what, he ain't no prince hand, prince charming Charming either. So what? I was gonna say Prince Harry. So everything was okay I get. She gets $25,000 from her ex has been selling their house and she felt like a rich woman. She's been like $5,000 on new furniture. She, you know, yeah, she would get facials and just leave $100 tips for like a $50 facial. What?

And everyone's like, what is going on? She even opened up a joint bank account with Guess Who, with Jack. And she put like $15,000 in there? No, so she's still into him. So into him. And he told her, oh, this money, I'm not going to use it. But I will, if anything happens to you, and I'm gonna take care of your boys I'm gonna treat them like my own

Why would you break into these apartments? For money, for drugs, whatever was in there? Aren't you afraid of getting caught at doing this? No, who's gonna catch us? What a police It was the height of the crack era and instead of of locking up drug dealers, some New York City cops had become them. I would suit up in my uniform and we're going to want some drug dealers, and I know how to do it really well. This is the inside story of the biggest police corruption scandal in NYPD history and the investigation that uncovered it all.

Did you consider yourself a rat? 100%. I saved my soul just like everybody else does. Listen to and follow the set, an Odyssey originals documentary podcast series available now in the Odyssey app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your shows. I'm not a big guy, man, but I love being that dirty mother f***er. But then one day, Jack comes up to Carolyn says, I can't leave my wife.

She has cancer. And I can't leave her when she's sick, you know, think about it. Think about how people would feel about me, and I just couldn't live with the guilt. So if I'm gonna divorce her, I need to make sure that she's healthy again. Which I'm been meaning to ask. Carol, can I borrow $10,000 to pay for her medical bills? Carol agreed. Wild. She gave him $10,000 and in exchange for spending that much money on his wife, she slept with his wife's 23-year-old brother.

Yeah, so she slept with Jack's brother in law, 23 years old, and she told everyone in the complex that Warren was better in bed than Jack. So then everyone found out that she's having an affair with Jack. I mean, it was just, it was so complex. In order to rekindle their love, though, they both lied to their families, and they went on a trip to Las Vegas

And they're very first night. It started off with a bang. They were watching nude dancers and then suddenly Jack said I got to go to the casino. He left by himself and for five days She had no idea where he was just alone in Vegas probably doing god knows what with that $10,000 that he's Definitely not using on medical treatments and she didn't see him until they're right to the airport. She's like, hello, what happened? Where were you? And he refused to talk.

And back at that apartment complex, Carol was so pissed, she left her suitcase in Jack's car and it was clear that Janette was going to find it. So Janette confronts Carol. Is this your suitcase? Is this your suitcase? Did you leave your suitcase in his car? Why would your suitcase be in his car? Carol decides to distract your net. Listen, I don't know who suitcase that is, but how is your cancer treatment going? And she's like, cancer, what are you talking about? All

I have to do is remove a little cyst, that's all. Carol's like, what the hell? She confronts drag like, what the hell did you use the money for oh That I spent some invagance and I used the rest to pay off my car So they get into this huge fight and Jack is like none of your business what I did with the money and then he realized He probably should not be mean to someone that he just stole $10,000 from so he starts apologizing and for some reason Carol stays with him and she even buys him a watch and a gold chain as a Christmas gift along with some Chanel Cologne and it was just getting intense to the point where Jeanette could not even deny their affair anymore. She knew that divorcing her husband was going to be intense.

She needed proof of this affair. Meanwhile, Carol was willing to provide it. She stomped on over to Jeanette and Jack's on Christmas Day when Jack was out of the house probably with another woman and she sat down and said, Jeanette and Jack's on Christmas Day when Jack was out of the house probably with another woman And she sat down and said, Jeanette, I will give you $1,500 to leave Jack. Jeanette said, even if you get rid of me, it doesn't mean you're gonna get Jack. Oh yes, I will. I will step right into your shoes. It's like you never even left.

But it's not up to you. It's Jack's choice. If he wants you, fine. Let me have my kids and I'll leave. The minute that Jack gets home, tonight confronts him. Carol said she wants to pay me $1,500 to leave you. Should I take it? What? She said she's in love with you and you guys are having an affair and she's sure that she can just replace me and fit into my shoes. That's what she said. So Jack runs over to Carol's unit and starts screaming at her. Stay out of my life. No woman is going to come between me and my family. How heroic. What a man, OK?

So for the next few days, Carol just ebbs and flows between supermanic and super depressed. And she would even go to the little club that Jack played at. And she would see Jack and Jeanette on the dance floor. His wife was prettier, skinnier and she just felt sorry for herself. And at the same time, she got this very uneasy feeling. Someone was staring at her. She looked up and she saw this tall, blonde man, and an expensive looking suit. And he smiled. Would you like to dance? Carol accepted and they started swinging on the dance floor and she was in heaven. He knew how to move, he knew how to dance, he was

nice, he was handsome, and above all she could see Jack staring in the corner of the room. This mysterious man who swept her off her feet was Douglas Clark. He was 31, which is a full five years younger than Carol at the time. He was an engineer and he never made any sexual advances that night. He didn't need to. Carol was melting in his hands. She was practically throwing herself at him like, please call me, please. So a couple days later, he comes over to hang out with Carol. He had dinner with her sons, tucks them into bed, and you're like, okay, kind of weird, kind of sweet to meet them so early on, but kind of sweet, I guess.

But he announced this to her young sons. All right, good night, everyone. Don't leave your room because I will be spending the night with your mother. And he closes the door. And he was like, uh, excuse me, that is, that's not okay. I'm a little bit upset about this. I don't understand why you would do something like this, but she forgot all about it in the bedroom.

She said she had the most superb sexual connection ever. It wasn't just all fireworks though. When Doug took off his clothes, he apologized immediately. Like the minute that he took off his pants, he hung his head and said, my penis is unusually small for a six foot tall man, but I will compensate in other ways, don't worry. And compensate, he did.

He did everything. Carol had never received oral sex before and he was doing it. He was also whispering in her ear that she was intelligent, which isn't really weird thing to say. I don't know. I feel like I'd be a little thrown off. I feel like, wait, what? I'm not even doing anything in television right now

This feels almost insulting Like I feel like I'd be insulted rather than complimented like what's going on? Why do you feel the need to tell me this? You know what you're actually really smart It's like what? And this is a whole new world for someone like Carol. They spent hours doing it. Carol fell asleep in his arms and the next morning she woke up to him there. He didn't leave. He was there. He was smiling at her, tucking the hair behind her ears and asking her, can I move in? And she's like, of course! Oh, and one more thing.

Can I have a pair of your underwear? Whoa, whoa, whoa. What? I, why? Oh, I like to wear my lovers underwear so that I can be reminded of them. It's kind of sweet, no? Carol hesitated not because she didn't want to and not because she thought it was weird but more so she was really insecure about her size. She had incredibly large breasts and I guess she wore like a in her opinion a larger size of underwear which honestly probably wasn't even that large and who cares but she was very insecure about it. And she felt like if he knew the size he'd be turned off. So she

hesitantly brings him a pair of undies and he holds them up with two fingers into the light, stares at it in silence and goes, no, these are far too big and just throws it at her face. And what? I want, so Carol is so embarrassed. But I mean, just chaos. Now, Doug does not move in immediately and she feels like, okay, is it because of my underwear? But in the meantime, she had her own chaos happening.

Jack is suddenly sick of her and feels like she's trying to ruin his family so he kicks her out of the apartment. She finds another apartment unit, a two bedroom place less than three miles away. I mean, the units were were smaller but they were cleaner. Jack even helped Carol move. And this resulted in Carol sending him a letter and was quite desperate.

She wrote, I love you. What can I do to please you to make you happy? I only regret having to leave Valero. Someday will you have me back? I know who is my master and I will follow your lead. And she ends the note with, please will you give me a pet name? So yeah, Carol's a mess. And Jack was tempted by this letter

because he ended up coming over at least three times a week to have sex with Carol. So we really only came over to have sex or to ask for money. And eventually, Carol is slowly starting to feel unsatisfied by this. She feels like she deserves better. And I'm sure a lot of it has to do with the fact that

Doug was coming over now. So she's got this other man, and she starts falling for this guy. Doug even took her to the bar that Jack went to, and Doug and Jack immediately hated each other. Carol was ecstatic. She thought it was their wild jealousy over her that they hated each other. And when Doug found out that Carol had lent Jack $10,000, he was livid. He said, and I quote, No more freebies from Mama,

You're buying his ass and it's okay to pay a guy to fuck you, but not $10,000 a fuck. Doug hated that Jack had influence over Carol, and more importantly her money, and Jack hated that Doug was influencing Carol to stop blindly giving him money. Carol loved it. She thought they were fighting for her love and attention. Okay, when in reality, they're fighting for who takes advantage of her.

So she kept both of their pictures in her wallet. She would show them off to ladies at the salon like, I don't know which one to choose from. They're fighting over me. What do I do? Doug was more romantic though. He also loved to talk about himself. It was also monologues, not conversations. He would also sprinkle in a ton of French

because he went to a Swiss boarding school in Switzerland and he did not want anyone to forget that. It's really hard to forget that. So here's what Doug is like. Doug Clark was born in Pennsylvania to a Franklin. His dad's name is Franklin and he was stationed in the Navy. So Doug siblings, they just remember Doug to be this super competitive dude. Like he fought for their parents' attention. He would kill for it. Doug was a bit of a brown-noser. His parents loved him, favored him, and Doug siblings

hated him. Not for that, not because he was the favorite, but because he was a pathological liar. And on top of that, Doug even admitted that when he was nine years old, his mom caught him wearing his sisters underwear. So I guess they never really had an open healthy conversation about it. They mean, I'm not saying it's a bad thing,

but just at least have an open conversation so your child feels safe. But she just swept it under the rug. And I was like, oh, he's just, that's like a one-time thing. Anyways, the family starts moving around quite a bit since Franklin's Navy position. He was pretty high up in the Navy. The kids hated it. Doug claim he lived in 37 countries total.

He had to keep readjusting, losing all his friends. But it also taught him that consequences are temporary. It's not that big of a deal. If your teacher hates if you get in trouble if everybody hates you and thinks you're bully We'll guess what in a few months you move you start fresh Wow That's so true and you can be whoever you want he said that really does mess up with your like sense of consequences and long-term Like yeah, yes, and they would start fresh I mean they went from the US to Japan to India and in India that was where Doug was the happiest because

their family could afford seven to eight servants that catered to everything that they wanted they had private tutors he felt rich and Doug was given so much freedom which I find to be odd because as the son of a military family, he did not have a strict routine, which is pretty consistent amongst, I mean true crime aside, but just amongst military kids, I've just heard, you've got a strict routine, day and day out, like there's no time for jokes. But I guess not with his parents. He would buy liquor and force the servants to drink it with him, and they would be all passed out in the living room. His parents didn't care. The other American family is living in the same complex in India as the clerks.

They complain to Doug's parents like, hey, your kid's a bully. No, he's not super violent, but he's not a nice person. Like he keeps flicking wet towels at my kids and it's hurting them. It's like leaving waltz. And instead of investigating or being upset with Doug, Doug's parents would say, there's no way that's our little Doug. It's probably your child. Your child is a snot-nosed brat who doesn't know one thing from another.

It's probably not Doug. They're making shit up. But eventually, Doug was sent off to boarding school in Geneva. And I think really he was only sent there because his parents wanted to say, our kids in Geneva. And it was a pretty fancy school. A lot of kids with important parents were there. Just a ton of rich kids, you know, exactly what you imagine.

And Doug was instantly upset that he wasn't one of the elites at the school. No, listen, military money is good money, but some of these kids, they were like, oil money, freaking generational wealth money. Like, this is a different league. He wanted to be the snobbyest of them all though. He would constantly boast to his classmates.

You know, I'm quite rich, you know. You know that right? My dad's a bajillionaire, and I really shouldn't have to eat all this crappy food that they serve here. Where's the caviar? I have that with every meal. Meanwhile, the kid is literally failing every single class and getting in trouble for just

bullying and never taking accountability for anything. Obviously, none of these switch kids wanted to be Doug's friends. He was just rude, he was very arrogant, and he wasn't rich. So like, how could they hang out with him? I don't know how these schools work. He would also brag about how he would sleep with daughters of Hollywood producers when he went out skiing in the Alps, and they were always older than him. But thankfully, the kids didn't have to put up with Doug for long.

Doug was expelled for writing very inappropriate letters to his female teachers. They were filled with, quote, dark, deep, unpleasant thoughts. I'm assuming sexual? After this, his parents sent him to a Culver Military Academy in Arizona, which is another strict and expensive boarding school. It was one that his dad had wanted to go to because his dad grew up in Arizona and was like, oh, all the rich kids go here. So just send him along, it was lights out by 11, wake up at 6, make your bed.

I mean, this was that military kid regimen, like this was it. If you misbehaved, they make you march around campus while carrying a heavy rifle and Doug hated it. The teachers noticed that Doug was smart, but he didn't put in the work, he hated studying. He didn't have friends. Most of the kids were thrown off by his outlandish stories. Just the fact that, you know, all these Hollywood producers' daughters that were older than him were literally lining up outside the door to have sex with him. Like one would get off of him and then the next one would be like my turn my turn.

Like who's gonna believe that? But sometimes he did manage to sneak in girls and seduce them and have sex with them in the academy. But what would he do? He would make sure to have an audio recording under the bed so that he could play it for his quote friends and brag to them. Now he graduates at 19 and he gets released into a very unwelcoming real world. The Vietnam War was raging and honestly the US was divided. Doug was on the side where he was very conservative and he supported the war. Did he have the balls to go fight in the war though? No, absolutely not. He does go into the military though and he begs to be placed somewhere in the US so they send him to Alaska where he spends most of his time hiring sex workers.

Anyway, he leaves the army and he tells wild stories about why he left and it all involves him being a white savior, literally. One variation of the story goes like this, my comrades, my white comrades, we're going to kill a black soldier because he was black. And I stood up for that black man and the army kicked me out. Another variation was like, oh, I physically beat up a white guy for trying to beat up a black guy and then I got kicked out. Now, do I think that this stuff happens in the

military and there's a lot of racism and a lot of these very, very evil sinister things going on? Absolutely. Do I think Doug is the type of person to stop these types of things? Absolutely not and we will get into why later. After that, Doug ends up in Van Nguyen's, California with his sister, where he runs into a girl,

let's call her Diana, got a bar. They get married. And at first, things are going great. They're wearing each other's underwear to work. Yeah, which is Doug's idea, but he slowly kept talking about how he wanted a threesome. And Diana just didn't want one. So he would go on these passionate rants about how much he loved sex workers. Yeah, so very healthy relationship. Doug later claimed that he was running a brothel out of his poultry shop that he opened up, which if you guys listen to the Hellside Stranglers case I did a while back, very similar to Angelo, the Hellside Stranglers.

There's actually a lot of crossover in these two cases. Two zero killers, well I guess three because of Kenneth, the two Hellside Stranglers, and Douglas Clark, lots of crossover. They end up even dating the same girl at one point. What? Yeah. Yeah. So Doug claimed to have met up with Angelo at his garage. So Doug later claims, oh yeah, the hillside strangler I met up with one of them and I, I even dated a roommate of his. Now this is not the same girl that they dated. That's for later. But he's just claiming that he knows the hillside stranglers,

but he didn't know that they were the hillside stranglers. But anyways, Doug and Diana, they break up, but they stay in touch. Doug would just pop on over to borrow her truck every now and then, which the police said was a very peculiar truck, because the inside handles were missing. What does that mean? Given Ted Bundy, the inside handles... Oh, the door handles were missing. With a zami. Given Ted Bundy, the inside handles. Oh, the door handle got it.

But I digress, and Doug starts working at Jergens. Yeah, the soap and lotion company, the massive one. My mom is probably the only one keeping Jergens alive. Do you know how many bottles of Jergens she hoards? It's been her go-to lotion for years. It's weird. I'm trying to get her off of it, okay? And he works as a steam engineer,

and that brings us back to Carol's apartment. He's sitting there, telling her all of this, about how amazing he is, and what a successful life he's living against all odds. God knows how many exaggeration and lies he's told, but he knew, Carol would eat it up. They always did. Doug targeted women like her, the more desperate, the better.

And if they ever started asking questions, he would just leave, find another woman. What's the point? Carol never really talked about herself around Doug. That's the way he liked it. He never gave her the chance to talk. And she wasn't entertaining and listening to his crazy stories.

She was cooking and cleaning for him. And she was okay with it, because they were in love. One time, Doug actually listened to Carol, but it was when he asked her about her deepest, darkest sexual fantasies. Carol said she loved BDSM, and that turned Doug on, but he always went up to her. He said, My ultimate fantasy, I want to kidnap a girl, take her to the country house where there's a torture chamber set up, and she will be my sex slave for years. Carol thought it was great, so she pretended to be a sex slave for the night.

Did she think that he was serious about this fantasy? Probably not, but one thing led to another and he started opening up about more fantasies. And it would always slowly start involving murder. He would say, I mean, what's so wrong with murder? Throughout history, people have always shown little or no regard for human life. We killed left and right, and why wouldn't we? Wouldn't you kill if you had the chance? It'd be so fun to kill. And anyone that I am with should be willing to kill for me. So the couple fell into this routine. Every single night before sex or after, they would talk about their fantasies.

Doug would tell Carol that he was once a hitman for the mafia and he charged $300 a hit, and it was amazing. Doug said, you know, one of my favorite memories was having an ex-girlfriend who was into necrophilia. So she would cover my entire bud with baby powder, put me in the freezer so that I'd be cold and the baby powder would dry up like I'm dead and my skin would be all pale and patchy and she would pretend to have sex with

me like a dead body. It's very aggressive stuff. Then one day, Carol's son Chris Bundy is watching TV and Ted Bundy's on the news. And he looks at his mom and is like, mom, is that my uncle? Do we have anything? He's like, do we have anything to do with this man? And Carol comforted him. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, sweetie.

We don't ever associate with those types of people. They're serial killers. How ironic that she would turn into one. Yet behind her bedroom door, Carol was talking to dog about serial killers. Now, some side note in the 80s, LA was a serial killer's dream. It was their hunting, their prowling grounds. News came out about Lawrence Bittaker, Ray Norris, the toolbox killers. Doug hated them.

He called them vicious cruel bastards that were stupid enough to leave so much evidence. If that were me, I wouldn't leave that much evidence. What are they audio recording these girls for? Very funny, very funny after what he did in college. Now while this is happening, Carol's life seems to be getting back to normal. She's working with elderly patients. She even got a license. Sweet, sweet Doug convinced her to buy a giant station wagon.

He convinced her it's perfect for the boys and for grocery shopping. And it had an incredibly deep, deep, deep trunk. Ryan's station wagon, he convinced her was perfect for the boys and for grocery shopping and it had an incredibly deep, deep, deep trunk. Carol would say, I had no idea what Doug was later going to do with it. And from there and on, their relationship only got weirder. Doug would pretend to be her boyfriend, but at the same time would encourage her to sleep with other men. But if she started to like another guy, he would swoop and warn her and say, he's out to get you. He wants to manipulate you

for your money. Anyway, Carol, can I borrow your car? It was after one of these occasions that Doug borrowed her car and Carol found a knife hidden inside. And she's like, what the hell? What is this knife for? No, that, that's protection from strangers. You know, it's a nice car. and you just never know. As a matter of fact, Carol, you live in an unsafe neighborhood and you should get yourself a weapon, like a gun. So the two of them pick up some guns. Well, we might as well get two, Carol.

One for you, one for me. But it needs to both be under your name. I did time in Indiana for robbery, so I'm a convicted felon and I can't get a gun. At this point, Doug had never committed murder, but he would come pretty damn close. Sunday night, he takes Carol's car to the local supermarket on Sunset Boulevard, and he meets up with a sex worker by the name of Charlene Anderman. She had agreed to give him the layshare for $40. So he parks the car somewhere hidden and she starts doing the deed. And she almost burst out laughing because his penis was incredibly small. But she bent down anyway and she realized Doug had put a knife up to her neck. And she

tried to get up and unlock the door to get out but he stabbed her. And they started continuing for the next few minutes and he kept asking her what's your name? What's your name? Well he's stabbing her. Charlene. Well Charlene do you have a family? Do they care about you? Yes I have a family and yes they do care about me. Oh you're all wet Charlene what's the matter you wet your pants you scared or something?

No that's blood you're hurting me And he laughed and he said, I know. He tried to choke her and he tells her, this is your last round baby, but Charlene wasn't done. She put her feet up on him and pushed us hard as she could, managed to jump out the car and she started screaming when she got out, dug just zoomed off into the darkness of LA. Charlene tried to report it to the cops,

but they really didn't care because she was a sex worker. They're like, what? Your life? We don't care about that. Who told you to get into this dangerous profession anyway? But Carol was changing. Even her son's noticed it, she started getting a lot more abusive.

Carol started hitting her kids more. She would also walk around the apartment naked. But naked around her kids who are, you know, like eight years old, which is... It's weird. And it wasn't just that, like one night Chris was up and, uh... Chris is one of the sons. Doug walked into the apartment, just soaked in blood. Like blood all over his jacket, all over his teeth, everywhere.

And he rushed to the bathroom, Carol helped him clean up, and she would tell her son's, oh, sorry about Doug. Don't sorry about Doug, don't tell anyone. He was in a bike accident. Later that night, Chris walked into the kitchen and saw Carol clean a bloody knife. So Chris tried to forget it, but then it happened again. And this time, Doug told Carol that someone was getting robbed and he jumped in to stop it, but he ended up stabbing that person and slitting him open from the stomach up to the chest. Oopsie. And then one time when Chris was giving them a rough time, Doug had Chris sit down. He put a hairbrush up to the left of his spine and he said, if I stab you right here, it

would go right through your heart and kill you. You know that? And Carol standing there and then start screaming, don't touch kid, she said yes, yes it would. She wouldn't even do anything when Doug would show eight year old Chris his porn collection. Doug tried to teach the two boys how to fight but like using knives. So Chris ends up hating his mom, hates being at home and he starts hanging out with his friend, Alice, who lives in the same apartment complex. Now, Alice is a little bit older, she's 11 years old,

but still the kid, you know? Sometimes she would come over to hang out with Chris. Now, Alice had been abused growing up. So she just kind of assumed that sometimes male family friends would touch her inappropriately, and that's just what old male adults do. Wow. And Doug was really nice to her.

He would let her lay in his bed so that she could cuddle his teddy bear. Again, she thought that this was normal for like adult men to have teddy bears and would let you cuddle them. He would even show her pictures of another young girl with teddy bears, and you know, the teddy bear under the blanket, it looked like it had a boner, and he would just start abusing her. Alice never told Carol or her mom, but it seemed like Carol already knew, and she was jealous. One day, she sat little Alice down, 11-year-old Alice, and said, that's the man I love, you know?

In a tone that you would talk to another woman your age, because they're hitting on your man. It just boggles my mind that this full-grown mother instead of feeling the need to protect Alice was instead jealous of her like what? Sometimes Doug would put Alice in the back seat of Carol's car drive around and have her pick out a sex worker and she was forced to sit in the back to watch the sex worker give a blowjob to Doug. He even forced her to pick out his porn magazines for the week, and one time they picked up a sex worker and Doug was like, hey, Alice, make a pass at her, say something.

And Alice just said, nice jugs, babe. And the sex worker was so freaked out, she booked it out of the car, and Doug thought it was hilarious. And then, Carol started joining in on the abuse. Doug encouraged all three of them to shower together. And Alice, this is heartbreaking, said that they were really nice about it. They would say things like, if you don't want to, you don't have to do anything with us. Do which Alice would respond, oh, then I don't want to. I'd rather go to the movies or something, if that's okay with you. And they'd say, yeah, sure,

of course, we can go see the movies, and then we can have sex afterwards. Like Alice had no idea that this wasn't normal and the abuse went on for months. During this time Carol gave custody away to her kids and shipped them off to Grant's parents house through her ex-husband's house and she would later tell everyone, oh I was trying to protect the boys from Doug but let's be real, she probably felt like they were getting in the way and she wanted later tell everyone, oh, I was trying to protect the boys from Doug. But let's be real, she probably felt like they were getting in the way and she wanted Doug to herself. She wanted the house to do wild things. Now adjust them in the house.

Carol went full into that sex slave role. Her only request was that Doug does not have sex with other women. And when she requested this, he said, well, it's not my fault that you're underwhelming and unattractive and I don't want you anymore. You're a mood destroyer and you're too damn possessive. So it hurt Carol's feelings, so I don't know why she went along with what happened next,

but she drove Doug to Hollywood where they picked up a super young sex worker and Carol would pay them out of her pocket to let them have sex and she would watch. And it would be really embarrassing because at times the sex worker could not get Doug's micro penis hard so they would just give up but she would still have to pay them and then the couple would try something different like swinging they would start looking for couples to swap with but then again Doug could not get a hard on and on top of that nobody really wanted to have sex with Carol or Doug. And then Doug comes home one day and he says,

hey, I was in your car and I was cleaning my gun and it accidentally fired so there's a bullet hole in your car. Carol's like, oh, that makes sense. I don't really believe you. Is that what happened? No, here's what really happened. Doug had lured a 17 year old girl into his car.

Her name was Marnet Comer and she was found three weeks later. Now, we don't know much about her except for that she was a runaway and we know at some point Doug shot her, slid her stomach with a knife and dumped her body in the woods. That's how the killings began. Let's talk about Cynthia Chandler. She went by Cindy and she had two sisters. But Cindy was kind of her mom's favorite. She was just this ball of sunshine. She was, she had these big birthday parties growing up

She was made homemade cakes. I mean, she was really really loved and it was during that time that her mom remarried and things started getting wild So Andy her stepdad had two daughters of his own Gina and Judith and now none of the girls like this like five girls in one house None of them wanted to be part of this blended family from either side. They're like the sucks. But then Cindy and Gina, they got so close, even though they weren't related. Cindy was 16, Gina was 15, and they were going through the same stages.

They were obsessed with makeup, obsessed with boys. They started skipping classes together to hang out, and they would go to the pier with their friends, and the two girls, they started failing failing classes and the parents started getting worried. Sometimes they wouldn't come home for days and if they got in trouble they would just run away. So the parents fell out of their leak. They spent most of their nights driving around the neighborhood looking for their daughters,

they never had any luck. One time Cindy stepped on a glass shard while trying to run away like a broken glass piece. And for the next few weeks she had to stay at home, she had to heal, she was on crutches, and her grandma straight up told her, Maybe this will teach you a lesson, maybe this will stop you from running away because there are monsters out there, and they will come and they will get you. It sounds really scary, but during this time the news was full of Ted Bundy, Hillside Stranglers, the toybox killers, so yeah there was just a panic in all of America. Cindy did not register this danger though,

I mean she's a young girl. She said grandma why would anyone want to hurt me? And then one night at a party, Gina was right, but they still kept running away. Anyway, June 11, Carol comes home and she sees a letter on the table. So I missed you, talk to you later, love Doug. So that night she decides she needs to pick up some groceries. She needs the Buick, but Doug had taken it to another apartment complex because he was staying with another girlfriend of his. Does she know? Yeah.

Okay. So she doesn't tell Doug, but she just uses her key to get into the Buick and that's when she saw it. A bunch of bloody clothes, a fuzzy blanket, paper towels, and a duffel bag in the back seat. I mean, her mind went into overdrive. They'd been talking about killing for so long. Did he finally do it?

If he did, I mean, she would cover for him no doubt. So she even took it upon herself to trash his bloody clothes that she kept the clean ones though, took them home. And the next morning, she tried to call Doug while he was at work. They had this 30 minute conversation, Carol could not or would not remember it. But it seems clearer like what happened. So Carol said the next few days they're watching the news and she starts putting two and two together.

This is what she kind of put together. The murder went something like this. On Wednesday June 11th, Doug was cruising down Sunset Boulevard and he spotted two young girls at a bus stop. Cindy and Gina. Now all Doug ever wanted were two young girls, especially a young blonde girl like Cindy. So he pulled over, rolled down his window and they refused to split up so he invited both of them into the car. Cindy got in the front, Gina in the back and the girls told Doug that Cindy was going gonna be famous. She was gonna audition for a TV commercial.

Now, Doug forced Cindy to go down on him and told Gina to look away, but he started getting upset. Cindy wasn't giving it her all, he felt. And Gina was already looking away at this point, so she didn't see him reach for his gun. He turned around, shot Gina. Cindy was so shocked she lifted

her head up and he shot her too. Neither of them were dead though, in fact they were moaning and pain, so he shot them again, Gina and the head, Cindy and the heart. Now, now they were both dead. He looked around, made sure nobody saw what happened, he slumped the bodies over and he started driving again. He kept reminding himself of the ABCs. Always be cool.

He drove to the Burbank area where his dragons, plantas, and he went to his garage, dragged their bodies out, and at one point, Gina's arms shot up and it scared him shitless. But he decided, well, not gonna do anything. She's already dying anyway, so it's fine. Now, I don't know why Doug had a bed in his garage, but he did, and he placed the two girls on there in a 69 position, and proceeded to assault and sawdame his son.

Then he went to Carol's apartment, left her a note, and he was giddy. After months of fantasizing, he did it again. He showered at Carol's place, left for his girlfriend's apartment, he even took Carol's Polaroid camera to take it back to the garage to assault the two girls' bodies further while taking these pictures. And when he was done, he wrapped the bodies up and blanket and stuffed them into the car. He dumped them near Disney Studios.

They were found the next day. Interestingly enough, they were found on the freeway, like the highway. And they were on the opposite side of the freeway as the first victim of the hillside stringers. Yolanda Washington was found. So there was a lot of overlap of confusion of, you know, what's going on? I feel like we talked about this, right?

Exactly, yes. So he goes by the sunset killer. Yeah. And this was the hillside stringers. Wow. Yeah. LA was just a lot. So the news breaks of the two young girls found on the side

of the highway. And of course, at first the girls parents are freaked out. And Andy calls up the morgue. And I don't know if you forgot. I don't know if it was the trauma, the stress, the adrenaline. But even though the description literally matched his girls down to the birthmark and everything,

he hung up and yelled at his wife, don't worry, it's not our girls. It's probably bringing you what working over time did not I? To deny. So they had a peaceful morning, get into their car and drive it on all day looking for them, looking for their girls.

They would not find that. The next day, the mom was like, okay, well, we should go to the morgan, just make sure it's not our girls. And they went to ID the bodies and it was. And she started punching her husband. You send of a bitch, just make sure it's not our girls. And they went to ID the bodies, and it was. And she started punching her husband. You son of a bitch, you son of a bitch, you lied to me.

And she was heartbroken, they all were. Janet was said to wake up from her sleep screaming. And she would wake up wondering, did my girl scream when they were attacked? The parents were told by the police that they had some leads, which they did. So the same day, a woman called in, and she went by the name Betsy.

Now she said she thought her boyfriend might be the killer. Yeah, okay, Betsy's carol. So she said, what I'm trying to do, this is how she talked. What I'm trying to do is ascertain whether or not the individual that I know, who happens to be my lover, did in fact do this. He said he did, but I don't know. You know, there was some bloody clothing that I did get rid of. And the police said, well, that doesn't really match the crime scene.

Which I'm like, why would it, though? It's not like there was torn clothing left behind. Like he had blood on his clothes. Why would I match the crime scene? Yeah, but why is she calling? I thought she wants to cover. She's trying to get information. She is trying. Yeah. So suddenly Betsy starts calling herself Claudia. And she said, but I'm not sure if it was my boyfriend. And I don't want him to get in trouble if it's not him. But, you know, here are some leads. He's white, 42 years old.

He has blue eyes, which was not dug. Doug was actually even 32. And she kept asking about, well, can you give me some other things that the crime scene so I can make sure it's my boyfriend. And then I'll drag him to the police station if it is. Soon the police are like, okay, this woman is not calling to give information,

she's calling to get information. And she got frustrated when they wouldn't give her any confidential information, hung up. The police get another call, but this time it was from one of Cindy's friends, one of the victim's friends. So apparently the killer had called her. Cindy died with her phone book in her So apparently, the killer had called her.

Cindy died with her phone book in her purse. And the killer went through that phone book. Yeah, Doug went through that phone book and found her best friend's number. Her name is Mindy and was like, hey, I killed your friend and guess what? I may love to them and it felt so good, so good. And now I want to do it to you. I ejaculated in them and now I want you, Mindy, but the phone could not be traced.

The next day, Doug drives Carol out to where he dumped the bodies of the girls, which he referred to as the twins. Now, during this car ride, he had his gun and Carol was nervous. He turned to her and said, you think I'm going to kill you or something? You seem nervous. Well, I guess the thought has crossed my mind. Don't worry, I'm not going to kill you. At least not now. As they drove further into the highway towards the countryside, Doug turned turns and said, don't worry, even if I did kill you, I wouldn't dump you here. I'd give you a proper burial. So instead of taking her to where he dumped the, quote, twins bodies, he told her about his very first victim, Marnet. He brought Marnet up to the ravine,

cut up her stomach to encourage the wiggly squirmy, which I'm assuming he's referring to maggots to accelerate the decompt process. He even took Marnet's clothes and gifted them to Alice. The 11-year-old, he's molesting. Oh, and Carol, if this is scaring you and you try to run away from me or if you turn

on me, I will take one of your boys and you will spend the rest of your life wondering what I did to him. Carol said, it's fine, I'm going to cooperate with you. At first, she would try to tell the police that she didn't turn them in because she wanted to save her life and the lives of her boys, but Carol soon found out that she thought murder to be very, very fun. So at this point, Doug and Carol's relationship had changed a lot. Doug had all the power, not an Iota of power with being wielded by Carol.

Doug would bring home woman and parade them around in front of Carol in Carol's apartment. He would even make Carol pay for sex workers. And while he would have sex with them, he would never, ever touch Carol. But the worst part for Carol was that not even that he's a killer, or that he wasn't even nice to her anymore. He just kept degrading her intelligence. He would say things like, you're so incompetent. I don't even know how you can keep a job.

Anyway, one day, they decide to hire another sex worker for Doug, but this time, Carol would be in the back with a gun, and Doug said, if you want, you can kill the sex worker, and that will be your first victim. And that will be a great fantasy for both of us. If not, at least I'll get a blowjob out of it. So they find a young girl, let's call her Jane. And Doug told our miss, miss. My wife back here, it doesn't really like to give blowjobs,

and I couldn't really use one, would you mind? So she gets paid her money, gets in the front, Carol introduces herself as Barbara, and Jane starts, you know, doing what she does. But Doug had signaled for Carol to pass in the gun, but Stupid Carol passed it the wrong way. And I'm saying Stupid Carol because that's how Doug refers to her. Not me saying she's stupid.

I mean, she's evil and stupid, but you get it. He had to move the gun around, and during this time, it gave enough time to Jane to realize something's wrong. And it led to Doug shooting her, but she didn't die. She was moaning in pain, and Doug yelled back, be calm, Carol, don't scream, be cool. And he was ready to kill Carol if she flipped out. But instead when he turned around, he saw her cool as a cucumber. And she calmly stated, don't worry, I'm all right.

Carol got into the front, put Jane's head in her lap. Now, Carol being a nurse said that Jane could have been saved if they drove to the ER right away. But instead she started taking off Jane's clothes and her jewelry. They drove to a small stream and dragged her body 20 feet into the bushes and just left her there. Jane would to this day be a Jane doe. Her skeletonized remains were discovered nine months later. There are reconstructions of her face in hopes someone can ID her, but they haven't yet. Now let's talk about Egy Wilson, who was born in Arkansas. Now her father had died when she was nine and she just overall had a really rough life. She was born in poverty. She couldn't even spell properly when she graduated high school, so she starts working as a waitress in a motel after school.

And she meets this local pimp and falls in love with him and that's how she moves to LA and falls into sex work. A week later, her head would be in Doug's freezer. But it wasn't just EGSI in the pimp's car, headed to Los Angeles. There were four more girls cramped inside this little Cadillac, including a woman by the name of Karen Jones. Karen had lived a very normal life up until this point. Very different from Aixie, she went to college, on a scholarship, but she got pregnant, ended up dropping out and losing everything. She gave birth, and she engaged in sex work to support her child. So they get to LA, while the girls are working and even getting arrested a few times,

Derek the Pimp is just hanging out while he made money from them. On the night of June 23rd, this is Sunday night, the girls are getting ready to be out all night. Meanwhile, Doug is out looking for his next kill. And he stops when he spots three young women standing on the side of the road and he rolls his window down and he stops when he spots three young women standing on the side of the road, and he rolls his window down and he said, Hey, my wife doesn't give blow jobs, and I want you two, the two blondes. Only one of them get into the car with him and it's Exy.

And as she's performing oral sex on him, she shot her in the head. As she died, she bit his penis, and that made him incredibly angry. And that might influence what he did next. He dragged her body out of the car, stripped her naked, started to decapitate her with a knife. So part of it he felt was because he was angry and then another part was he didn't want to dig the bullet out of her skull so he wanted to just take her head I guess.

He got a plastic bag from his kill bag that Carol packed for him. Yeah, what a loving girlfriend. Why don't you just pack his lunch instead? He placed her severed head inside, drove off, leaving the body, but taking the head with him. He circled around and that's when he saw Karen standing there. And she was like, okay, fine, I'll get in the car. And if there was any blood on the seat, it was just too dark for her to even notice. Doug didn't want to have sex with her, but he just wanted to kill her for fun.

He thought it was hilarious that she had no idea that her friend severed head was in the back seat. So, he drove her near Burbank Studios, takes out the gun, she screams, and he shudder in the temple. He ripped out her earrings, stole money from inside her shoe, and pushed her body out onto the curb. And then he drove back home to Carol. He placed his plastic bag when upstairs.

Carol was asleep and they both sat on the bed and he described what he did. She said in that moment, she felt a strong bond, a strong sense of mental intimacy, a bond stronger than a sexual bond. Yeah. Doug even told her, if wherever caught I'll take the fall for both of us. Your defense is that you're just a dumb housewife that's mesmerized by my undenined charm. A few days later Carol asked to see the head and Doug opened up the freezer and he kept trying to warn her it's too gross for you to see.

No, I don't want to show you and she just kept saying, listen, I work with dead people it's not going to freak me out. He placed the head onto the sink. The mouth was open and Doug picked up the head by the hair and started swinging around while laughing. And he told her, I brought it into the shower with me and pretended that she was still alive and engaged in necrophilia. Well, he said it, not like that.

Carol laughed and later that day they found out through the news that the head belonged to a woman named EGZ Wilson, but they referred to her toothless. Now, there's two different versions of what happened next. So either Carol wanted to put up makeup on Egy's head because Doug wanted to engage in Necrophilia again, so she was essentially prepping the face for him or she was putting makeup on her so that they could dispose of her, which doesn't make sense because you're just leaving so many fingerprints and I honestly, think it's the former rather than the latter. Either way, one of those things take place and Carolyn Doug placed her head in a thrifted chest, loaded up in the car.

They go through the in and out drive through and at one point they get stuck at a red light with a severed head in their car next to a cop car. Doug was worried that Carol was going to freak out, that she was gonna panic. But he looked over and she's quietly sipping on her diet coke from in and out cool as a cucumber. They drive to a relatively empty parking lot and with gloves on, Carol just threw the chest out the window. She's like, threw it out.

The next day would be found. Meanwhile, Doug and Carol decided that they're gonna have to clear out his garage. The one that was used to assault Cindy and Gina, they had to throw out that bed frame, clean the blood off the floors and the bloody mattress. We're gonna do something about that. Carol saw this painting inside this garage, and for some reason she was like, oof, I'm gonna keep it. I wanna hang it up in our apartment, and you know, it really turned our apartment into a home. When she turned it around to nail it to the wall, she noticed blood everywhere. and he was a little bit of a woman. And he was a little bit of a woman. And he was a little bit of a woman.

And he was a little bit of a woman. And he was a little bit of a woman. And he was a little bit of a woman. And he was a little bit of a woman. And he was a little bit of a woman. And he was a little bit of a woman. And he was a little bit of a woman. And he was a little bit of a woman.

And he was a little bit of a woman. And he was a little bit of a woman. And he was a little bit of a woman. and bring it to his workplace, meanwhile Doug would spend all of his free time going on dates and picking up sex workers. He would even bring women over and ask Carol to leave the room so that they could have sex comfortably on the bed. Doug honestly had too much faith over his control over Carol. He thought that he had her wrapped around his little finger.

He thought he could treat her so badly and there was nothing she could do about it. But by the time that July rolled around, news was spreading about someone dubbed the Sunset Killer, and it was getting impossible for Doug to get girls in his car. The girls were moving down to OC instead. They all refused to get in the car, and everyone was on high alert.

They were so desperate, Doug even suggested picking up hitchhikers. But there were no hitchhikers. I mean, the streets were a ghost town at night. Everyone was on edge. So Doug, feeling this desperation, he tells Carolyn the car, I just want to go to a Mexican bar and massacar everyone. She tried to calm him down, Doug, it's okay. I'll have sex with you.

And Doug was like, it'll, no. He just wasn't in her. He felt she was too ugly, too clingy, too possessive, incompetent, jealous, clingy. So Carol starts asking these questions and she's getting upset, she's like, hey, I feel like we're not in a relationship anymore. I feel like all you want to do is kill people. Like, you only want to hang out with me

if there's a threesome or if I'm paying for your sex worker or if we're killing someone and I just want to be in an intimate relationship. Meanwhile Doug is like just zone in her out. He's like, oh, I've got a focus on creating a false trail for you know the sunset killer. So he had to care all call the cops pretending to be a sex worker and she said, Hey, my pin is black and he's the sunset killer. And this is why I think that Doug did not leave the army because he was trying to save black men because he wants to pin this whole thing on a black man And he's like, it'll be so easy because they're Black.

So he was like, yeah, call them. And she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think he's really suspicious. Did I mention he's Black? Like, it was all about race. And when she hung up, Doug was yelling at her. Like, you suck at acting. What's wrong with you?

And then he was like, oh, shoot, you know what's good? I just need to get some Black pubic hair and try to plant it at the next crime scene. Hey Carol, you need to get me some black pubic hair. So what does she do? She goes to work and asks a fellow nurse. Can I have one of your pubic hairs? What?

And this nurse is like, are you insane? And she's like, oh, don't think I'm crazy. It's like for research purposes. Of course, the nurse thought that she was crazy, and she told the other nurses, honestly she should have told HR, but she told the other nurses and they all started avoiding Carol at all cost. Carol was so freaking shocked when she was invited to a co-workers birthday party, her feelings were freaking hurt, she didn't understand, are you kidding me?

Why wasn't I invited? Well you really thought that they wanted to hang out with you, Carol. What's going on? Later that month, Carol called a per ex dick and was like, hey, I'm dating the sunset killer and I can't leave him. And honestly, it's kind of hot that he's killing people.

And he's like, what? Right after she hangs up, she calls back immediately. Hey, sorry, I was testing a theory for this novel that I'm writing and I wanted to see if it was believable. And it was, huh, jokes on you. I'm gonna be a New York Times best seller. Bye. But the fact that she even called her acts to tell them, you know, all of this, she was really disappointed in her relationship with Doug. She kept asking Doug to kill her or else she would take her own life and he told her, you could do it yourself.

He was like, I mean, I guess I'll help you do it as long as I can have sex with you and you're being hung because I heard when you die, your vaginous spasms. They're called vaginal death spasms and that'd be cool to experience it. Near the end of July, Carol writes a will and a letter leaving all her furniture to Doug and a letter stating, what's wrong with me? I scrub everything. He says he's not my lover,

he's only my roommate, he hasn't touched me in months and I just can't stand it anymore. I can't handle living anymore. I'm a pacepore mother and Douglas, I love you. That morning she calls out for it and tells them, hey I can't come to work, I'm going to go kill myself. That's literally how she describes it. She gets into the car. She takes insulin, Librium, which is a very strong sedative, and she also swallows additional Librium tablets. She waits in the garage for 10 minutes, hoping Doug would rescue

her, run down and realize how much he loves her. But after 10 minutes, she starts feeling drowsy. She drives to her favorite restaurant, Parks, and then loses consciousness. She wakes up in a hospital. Doug only called the paramedics because Carol's work called him and was like, hey, you should really do something about this. So she wakes up and she tells everyone at the hospital, I'm in love with a maniac. Don't be like me.

Everyone's like, what? Jack Murray even came to visit her. And as of right now, they're like on good terms. He refused to do anything sexual with Carol unless it was a threesome, but I guess they were still friends. So when Carol is finally discharged, Doug decides, we'll shoot, let's make the best of it, and forces 11-year-old Alice and Carol

to have a threesome with him again. For whatever reason, the next take, Carol takes Alice to a family counseling center and Carol puts Alice on her lap, hugs her and says, I'm her mom and my boyfriend is sexually involved with my daughter, Alice. It's suspected that she did this because she was jealous, so she wanted Alice out of the picture. Now the counselor, tell me why, asks Alice, and how do you feel about that?

Do you feel bad? An Alice being so traumatized and never having a nice adult in her life thought it was sweet of the couple to even give her wine before taking inappropriate pictures of her because she never had an adult care about her comfort levels. So Alice said, I guess it doesn't really bother me. The counselor looked at her and said, well shoot, if it doesn't bother you, don't bother me. And there's nothing we can do about it.

Have a good one. Oh my gosh. Yeah. So they just get released from this quote, family counseling facility. I mean, are you kidding me? What? So then afterwards, Carol brings Alice to

get her closer to Jack. So Carol had been on the hunt looking for woman to have sex with her and Jack, but nobody wanted it. They just didn't care for it. So why not offer up a three-some with 11-year-old Alice? They meet up in Jack's van and Jack nervously touched Alice and said, okay, I'm interested. Yeah, as if he's interested in buying like an Nintendo switch. Suddenly, Carol flipped and was like, you're interested. Yeah, as if he's interested in buying like an Nintendo switch. Suddenly, Carol flipped and was like, you're disgusting. I can't believe you're interested in a child, which is weird. So anyway, fast forward to August 3rd, three days after Carol's suicide attempt, Jack

wanted to cool off at a bar and Jeanette wanted to stay back at home. So Jack goes alone, he's flirting with woman and Carol shows up and she asks Jack, hey, you want to come outside and check out something cool? In her trunk, she shows him a killbag inside of it where guns, paper towels, you know, all of these things. Now, Jack didn't really think of it. He just like, Carol's an odd one, but then he looked up and saw her face. She looked terrified. She said, no, I'm serious, Jack. We go out almost every single night hunting, and I need help. I need you to help me. Jack was like, what? No. I mean, I need to know what's going on before I help you. Why don't we meet

back up here after the club closes? I need to finish up my drinks. So Jack goes back into the bar, tells his friends all the weird things that just happen outside, and they're like, why? You got to call the cops on Carol. Meanwhile, Carol's sitting in the car waiting for Jack and she's just stewing in her thoughts. What is she asking, what kind of help is she asking? To get away from Doug. Oh, okay. And she realized how dumb she was being.

Jack was gonna rat her out. She needed to kill him. Sure, Doug always told her that she could never do anything alone because she was too dumb, she was too incompetent, but she had to. And Doug would be proud of her. He wanted Jack dead anyway. So after the bar closes, Jack meets up with Carol in his van.

And even though he believed every word Carol said and was terrified of her, because she was a killer after all, he still wanted sex. How can one resist? And while Carol is telling him about how scared she is, he's like pushing her head down. And while she's doing things to him, he asks to meet up with Alice again. And Carol said in that moment, she knew that he had to die. So she turned him over so she could quote, she called it butt play. And when he wasn't looking, she whipped out a gun and she shot him.

She felt his pulse. It was steady. So she shot him again. And Doug was right. Killing was fun. Then she grabbed her knife and stabbed in six times. But then she was like, wait a minute. I need to make it look like a psycho killer did it.

So she stabbed his butt and slashed up his anal cavity. No. She said to make it look like a psycho killer did it, I believe Carol does qualify as a psycho killer, but you know, once she calmed down, which by the way, the whole time she was screaming, you want a piece of ass? Here's a piece of ass! Once she calmed down, she realized, fork, the bullets that are in her head, they would match the sunset killer's victims. And I and Doug, we both know Jack. So I gotta decapitate him. So she saws off his head, tries to clean up her fingerprints,

stuffs his head into a plastic bag, leaves the van, and it's 3 a.m. at this point. And she said that she dropped the head out of the bag at one point and had to pick it up in the middle of the parking lot. She used a pay phone near the bar to call Doug. I did it, I killed Jack, I got his head in the car, I killed him. She used a pay phone near the bar to call Doug. I did it.

I killed Jack. I got his head in the car. I killed him. She drove back to their apartment where there was an unconscious woman. Not a victim. Well, maybe, but not in this sense, but it was Jack's girlfriend at the time who overheard the call and fainted. So they get the paramedics to come and get her and then, I don't know, she's crazy. And uh, Jack's girlfriend?

Oh, I'm so sorry, Doug's girlfriend. So sorry, yeah, so Doug's girlfriend is there and they're like, oh, she's just like fainted for no reason. And while the paramedics are there, Carol literally has blood on her blouse. But I guess they were too busy trying to save Doug's girlfriend that they didn't notice. So they get back into the car. Now it's just Doug and Carol and there is Jack's head in a plastic bag. They start driving and the whole time Carol's laughing. Yeah, not creepy at all. And she's mentioning,

oh, should we stick it on a fence post? We should take it to the bowling alley and use his head like a bowling ball. But they settled on throwing it into a trash can near Griffith Park. And after this, Carol really starts to unravel. I mean, both of them were starting to get more paranoid because Jack is someone that they both knew. And everybody knew that they all knew each other. Doug even stated, man, I really hate that I voted for the death penalty in California. Because now, I'm gonna die.

I can't believe I'm gonna get the consequences of the things I voted for. Are you kidding? I'm gonna be put on death row. Carol was like, what about those girls? You think they wanted to die? The ones that we killed? I don't think they wanted to die. Yeah, but that doesn't matter, Carol.

They're trash. He also told Carol about another girl that he killed recently. Now we don't know her name, but he called her Water Tower Girl. She was a sex worker, and he killed her in his car. He drove to the local water towers and proceeded to engage in necrophilia with her body on the hood of his car. Interestingly enough, he kept saying that he wanted to pretend the woman were alive. And even he would use the car engine and the vibration of the car to make them feel alive.

So a lot of people said it didn't make sense because you know, the point of necrophilia is that they're dead. He barely, his victims before they died, he did assault them in other ways. But But his victims before they died, he did assault them in other ways. But a lot of experts believe that he knew the only way that he could successfully assault someone without getting caught was for them to be dead. Now the victim was found a few days later and she is still a Jane Doe to this day. So Carol goes back to work and she moves on with her life and it's clear that something's wrong. She would take five sedatives a day to even study her hands.

She jumped at every little sound. I mean, the phone would ring and she a day to even study her hands. She jumped at every little sound. I mean the phone would ring and she would practically jump out of her hair. Meanwhile, Jeanette is starting to wonder where the hell is my husband? She thought okay, maybe he's with another woman, so she does file a police report, but it wasn't until later that week, literally, a full week goes by. And coincidentally, guess who is all at that little bar on Saturday night? Jeanette is there because this little bar that her husband always goes to, and Carolyn Doug are there.

And a third girl, let's call her... Maddie. Maddie is there because Carol brought Maddie for Doug, hoping for a three-some. It was near midnight when the bar, they just see these flashing police lights everywhere. They had just found Jack's car, and inside of his car, they found his headless body. Someone ran into the bar, saying, Jack Murray is dead. And Carol let out a hysterical high-pitched scream and she started shaking and she said, no!

It's not true. There's no way he can be dead. And she looked like she was in so much shock that, you know, nobody thought it was weird when Doug and Maddie drove her home. Meanwhile, Jeanette's trying to run out of the out to the scene and nobody let her, they all held her back. She was eventually taken into the station and back at the apartment, Carol kept acting distressed. I guess for the sake of the other woman, for Maddie. And for some reason, they didn't kick her out because Doug still wanted to sleep with her, so Carol was weeping and she pulled Doug aside and was like, get rid of the guns

in the car. So he gets rid of them. And he just does that by putting them at his workplace. Now in the midst of all of this, Maddie spends the night like they all went to bed. And the next morning, Carol is showering in one bathroom, Maddie and Doug are showering in the other bathroom, and the doorbell rings, Carol pops out, dripping wet, full naked, just water splashing all over the carpet, opens the door, police

officers. And she says, excuse me, I'm naked. Do you mind waiting while I put on some clothes? She closes the door and she rushes to get Doug. I've got a house full of cops right now. So all three of themselves find each other at the police station. Doug and Carol use each other as their alibis, and the police have nothing on them, so they were just forced to let them go.

On the right back, Doug is complaining to Carol like you're running your mouth, and she just felt really upset. She killed Jack to impress Doug, and he wanted this, but instead of being impressed, he seemed more mad than anything. So that night, Doug leaves Anxious Carol all alone

and takes Maddie out on his paint. And the next morning, Carol shows up at work a complete mess and she just loses it in the break room with two other nurses. She goes on to tell them the craziest story. So my boyfriend was murdered in a van and my other boyfriend murdered a bunch of girls and we dumped their bodies on the highway and oh, my ex in the van will I killed him. Yeah, I know you guys are going to have a time stomaching this, but I cut his head off. And I made a mistake because I forgot about the bullet shells.

God, I can only imagine how his body must have looked locked up in that van in that heat in the sun for six days. Anyway, I quit this job, I can't do it anymore, can someone tell the manager? The two nurses, who by the way hated Carol, they had no idea why she would even confide in them. They ran to call the cops. The cops surrounded the building within minutes, but it was too late. Carol was gone. She went to her place and she called the police. She called like three different stations until she was finally put through and she cleared her throat and she said, do you know about the sunset murder's detective? Would you like to have your man today? Uh, sure.

Are you well versed in the details of this murder? Am I, am I what? Are you well versed in the details of this murder? Well, if not, I will give you some details. Foothill Boulevard, she was cut down her belly, check. Second sister, chest, chest wound, right? Through her heart, check. Okay, chest wound, right? Through her heart. Check. Okay.

The next one up the line was shot with a different gun. We dropped her in some bushes near the stream. I don't know if you found her yet. Okay. Oh, so you found her. Listen, we might, we might not. Oh, okay. So I'm assuming you don't know about that one. I'm curious. How come all of a sudden you want to turn yourself in this person in? Because for quite a hell of a long time he's been treating me like shit. Carol explained that she had to kill Jack Marion her own and how she's sick of it. Doug wants to keep going but she can't handle it, she's falling apart. And the honest truth is detective, it's mighty fun to kill people. If I was allowed to run loose, oh I'd probably do it again. I know it's gonna sound sick and psycho but I was allowed to run loose or I'd probably do it again

I know it's gonna sound sick and psycho, but I don't think I'm that psycho But it is kind of fun. It's like writing a roller coaster not the killing But like the action of someone dying because I mean we didn't kill them in a way that would hurt them Anyway, I was gonna call the Burbank and Van nice police department to have them meet me for lunch And I would love to invite you. I think you all would have a blast fighting over who gets to arrest me. Momam, how would I be able to ID you at the restaurant? Well, I've got short brown hair, glasses, I stumble a lot and I have a vision problem.

In other words, I'm very awkward looking. The detective talked her out of calling the other departments because seems like Carol was right, he wanted the pleasure of arresting her all to himself, but it was too late Carol and Doug were gonna get arrested Carol at her apartment Doug at his workplace Carol also gave them a bullet that could link them to the murder She gave them a photo album of Doug and 11 year old Alice and she said here These photos will give you a good idea of what Doug is like. I killed Jack by myself because he was a real asshole

and he deserved to die. And I would like my right to remain silent. But Carol literally could not be silent. Like she continued ranting about the whole murders and about Doug and about Jack and her whole life in the car at the police station, even walking into the interrogation room, she was just non-stop talking. She told them everything, even her plan to pretend to be a clueless cute housewife,

but she said, I don't know if you guys have ever shot anyone? Like, it's fun. And then she stopped talking, and I kid you not. She looked over at the officer and said, Officer Gary, you know, it's so wrong about all of this. You look just like Doug, like you smile just like him too. And I hate to tell you this, but I'm having, what's like a nice way to say this?

Clid rule spasms. And you know, it's gonna be a really long time before I get to, you know, I get to be with a man again. So Officer Gary declined her Clid rule spasms and her sexual advances, but there was another incident. The cops took her to her house to take care of some things, which I don't know why they did that. She was escorted by cops and she bled them into her bedroom and said, why didn't you guys

come in? Let's have dessert. It's the last time I'm going to be with a man. I won't tell anyone. Meanwhile, in another interrogation room, Doug was lying like his life depended on it. Because it did. He said it was a coincidence that he had sex with the victims that were murdered. All he did was give them a ride.

Okay, fine. I helped get rid of Jack's head. But Carol's terrifying. She did the murder on her own. Said first, he was charged with three counts child molestation and accessory after the fact to Jack's case, but later he would be charged with six counts of murder. The police were gathering all the evidence they could. They found the murder weapons at Jergens, yeah, at Doug's workplace.

He tried to pin the whole thing on Jack. He said that Jack was the one that killed everyone and Carol helped him, and now he's being framed. In prison, Carol wrote to Officer Gary, the one that gave her literal spasms. She said, I'm so sorry about that. I'm usually gentle and quiet, but sometimes I do get boisterous and I am subject to mood changes, but we should get to know each other. I can offer affection and lots of other good stuff. Signed Carol B. Gary was disgusted. Outside of hitting on her arresting police officers,

Carol hated prison. She really hated eating off paper plates, like that's the problem she had with prison. She was bored out of her mind so she spent her time bothering everyone with letters She even wrote to Maddie Doug's most recent girlfriend which kill even wrote to Doug and she told him sorry for turning you in I wish I could take it back, but I was just so pissed off because you told me I wasn't worth shit Oh, and why did you date me? I wonder if it's my fate to be in jail because my last name is also Bundy, like Ted Bundy. And you know, Ted Bundy was married to a woman named Carol at one point.

So maybe she's like my soul sister. But maybe I'm Ted Bundy. Bro, you're like, wow, Stephanie, this is a lot of miscellaneous information. Just you freaking wait, because Doug is gonna use this later in court. So Doug wrote back, so that Carol wouldn't testify against him and he said, you know, I just feel like I'm being framed for something I didn't do.

And I hope you didn't kill these people and I doubt you would kill anyone. But no matter what you told me, you're not my idea of a murderer. Besides, I have a cellmate that's interested in dating you. I'm sorry, what? Is he really trying to lure her friendship with a cellmate? But it worked! Carol was like, wait, really? So she starts corresponding with Bronte,

which is Doug's cellmate, who in fact was not interested in Carol, but was being paid by Doug to write to her to try to get something that he could use to blackmail Carol. But all Carol did was promise to send Bronte her- see juice. That was her way of saying it. I don't know how she was gonna send it. If she's gonna bottle it up and she's gonna put it on a piece of paper. I don't know. Okay. And then the cherry on top of this horrible, horrible thing is she tells Bronte, listen, I really like you. I really love you. But I just don't know if I'm ready to have

kinky sex with a black man. I hate these people. Now this is where the hillside stranglers and the sunset killers connect. Kenneth Bianchi, you guys remember him? Well, do you remember that he had girlfriend that attempted to commit a copycat murder for him? Remember, after he was in prison, she attempted to kill someone in the way that the hillside stranglers would so that the authorities would be like, whoa, it's the hillside stranglers are still's still killing we got to let Kenneth out Her name was Veronica Lynn Compton. She was in the same jail as Carol Bundy In fact, they were only one cell apart. They were friends Carol toward Bronte this girl Veronica is crazy and I like her

Meanwhile Doug is also writing letters. He's writing to his girlfriend Maddie saying I miss you You're a Tigris of passion and I miss your moist, quivering thys and clutches of ecstasy. That's all I could think about. And he told Maddie, it's up to you to find me a good attorney, a good soft spoken, submissive female attorney, someone to soften up the female jurors and give the male jurors something no look at. Which by the way, the only reason that Maddie was talking to him and visiting him three times a week was genuinely she thought that he was not guilty. And he told her that he'd be acquitted, he would write a book on this,

and he would earn $100,000 easily, and he would splurge and spoil her and they would live life a lavish life outside of this. Maddie even bought his suit for court. It cost three hundred dollars But she forgot to buy him shoes So he showed up in a pristine fancy court and a pair of pretty comical county jail issue canvas slippers Doug argued for the child molestan molestation charges. He said well Carol made me do it And I do need help judge I know there's something wrong with a grown man that can't say no and that's me

Besides Alice wanted it. Yeah, he just couldn't help himself. He was like, the 11 year old that I molested, she wanted it. What? Doug was also annoyed that he wasn't getting much media attention. So everyone was going on and on about the hillside stranglers. And inside of his own jail, the same jail as him were the toolbox killers, the alphabet bomber, the freeway killer, and the Skid Rose stabber.

And he was like, so I'm not the baddest bitch in this freaking jail? I'm so sad about that. So what does this guy do? He starts writing to Veronica. Yeah, the hillside stranglers girlfriend. He would write to her about how innocent he was, how he would be out of jail by next August, and he told her he loved her, and he ended it with, but I do love all women except Carol Bundy. He also wrote her some weird poems. Let me crush your sanity under my heel. Let me lash your tender breasts, torment you to the edge, and love you beyond life itself. As I thrust you over the brink into bloodlust and murderous vengeance, I feel the painful invasion,

lashing teeth, witches. And then there was. He asked her to testify and say that Carol told her in jail that she committed the sunset murders all by herself and was framing Doug. Oh, and maybe that Jack helped her. He even asked Carol, hey, why don't we try to frame it all on Jack? But Carol's attorneys were like, that's the stupidest defiance we've ever heard of. Besides, Carol had a better option.

Prosecutors were offering her deal. 25 years to life for the murder of Jack Murray, as long as you testify against Doug. This was so much better than being sent to life for all the murders, and probably death row. So the trial starts, and it comes out during the trial, this is where, like, there are also, this case is known for the vaginal death spasms. A lot of sources say that Doug was being his victims and killed them in order to feel these vaginal death spasms.

But it's just a huge topic of conversation and almost debate, but Charlene, the woman who survived, she testified. Remember the first one he stopped, but she escaped. She took the stand. Her middle and ring fingers were paralyzed from the stabbing and she gave a very emotional story about the how the man laughed while hurting her. And guess who burst out laughing in the court? Him? Yeah. You're like, where was his attorney to shut him up? Well, the man was representing himself. Yeah. And honestly, he heard

his case because he threatened to witness at one point who was testifying against him He said would it surprise you that I have your current address in your current telephone number The witness burst into flames and he said no further questions But his craziest stunt to date and his craziest offense was that Carol was so obsessed with Ted Bundy and his wife Carol Bundy That she wanted her in Jack to be Ted and Carol and they went around killing everyone. So there was an incident where one of the murder dates had lined up with one of Ted Bundy's victims murder dates. So it was like the same day. So he said see, this is like a like a soul

connection. So at one point he was like either she's a copycat Carol and Ted or or how do we know she's not Carol Bundy Ted Bundy's wife how do we know that yeah so I mean no one's buying this the jury is like okay this guy is bonkers so Carolyn's up testifying and she went all in she explained how Doug had oral sex with the severed head she said Doug always told her about his fantasies of having a woman on top of him and Carol shooting her to death So we could feel these vaginal deaths spasms Doug was so upset by all of this and how the judge was letting her testify that he called the judge a sleazy Cuck's Sucker a gutless worm a spineless bastard a fat cat an asshole and a goddamn asshole

At one point Doug was literally gagged with a piece of leather. Meanwhile, Carol is also busy with the judge, writing him very sexually explicit letters and how she would love to get to know him. Oh, it's wrong with these people. Yeah. The psychology. You did not understand they're being charged right now.

Yes. Oh, so later during Carol's trial, one of her favorite things to say that everyone found comical but not comical was, why are you guys treating me like some goddamn criminal? And everyone was like, because you're a goddamn criminal. What the heck? Like, are you crazy? Like, what's going on?

The psychology of Doug is interesting. So he had an IQ of 118 and his verbal IQ was 123. So above, overall, I mean, he had an IQ of 118, and his verbal IQ was 123. So above, overall, I mean, he had an above average IQ, but he spent his entire life underachieving at everything, not just school. It was clear he had a personality disorder, a number of psychosexual disorders that he was quite sensitive about.

Anytime someone said that he had necrophilic tendencies, he said, oh, a typical tendencies. His diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder. And when the court brought it up, he just shook his head and he said, psychiatry is a kindergarten sport. Maybe 2000 years from now, we'll know something about the inner workings of the human mind. But right now, you guys are just wandering around in the dark.

Doug was given the death penalty on all six murder counts. He is still in prison. He actually married a woman named Kelly Kenninson, who is protesting his innocence, and is even helping him appeal his sentence, but it didn't work. Even Carol tried to get him an appeal. Even Doug's parents said he's not guilty,

he's just misjudged. So what? As for Carol, she was sentenced to two consecutive 25 years to life terms. Her first eligible parole date was 2012, but she died in prison in 2003 of heart failure. During her entire court hearings, like I said, she just kept streaming, you're treating me like I'm some kind of goddamn criminal. Psychiatry say that Carol was no more controlled by Jack than he was controlled by her. Basically saying, you know, she's acting like she was controlled by him,

but it was mutually beneficial. It was the perfect storm. She also told her psychiatrist that she started, you know, sex work at 15 and she always felt this compulsion to run through the streets naked at night. She also stated that her father was a great guy, even though he molested her. To make things even more depressing, Carol's kids were placed in foster care, and they too were abused.

But somehow, they both turned their lives around and went on to live happy, healthy, well-adjusted lives, and they too were victims in this car. And that is the story of the Sunside Killer. It was a wild one. And I've been wanting to tell you guys about it since the whole side stranglers, but it's so dark and just so intense and heartbreaking. And I can't even, who are these people?

And what are your thoughts? Sometimes I do feel like with these serial killer duos, you do have one that's a little bit more controlled than the other, but this one really feels like they're both so disgustingly evil, and they're both trying to blame each other and act like they're this... Oh, I didn't know how to say no! Let me know what are your thoughts, and I will see you guys on Sunday for the mini-sode. Bye!

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