Rotten Mango - #146: The Pathological Liar & The Corpse (Case of Casey Anthony)

Episode Date: March 13, 2022

It’s said that some pathological liars are even considered functionally delusional. They can even pass a lie detector test. They believe their own lies. Sometimes they re-write their lies and memories on the spot. You can see their eyes flutter, a shift in attitude, and boom. They are living a new reality and you almost feel like you’re the one going crazy. But as humans, we can detect lies, right? Or can we? What happens when a pathological liar takes a stand in front of the whole nation to say - “my child has been kidnapped by her nanny! Help me!” Would you believe her? Full Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Welcome to this week's mini-soda, Rod and Mingo. I'm your host Stephanie Sue. And how are pathological liars so balsy? Have you thought about it? Have you taken a second out of your day to really soak it in? I mean how do they have so much audacity? How do they have the guts to tell the most outrageous lies without any not even like an inkling of shame? Well the science behind it is fascinating most pathological liars have an underlying personality disorder so a fascinating detail that I learned recently is that they have the opposite ratio of cortisol and testosterone. Okay. Then most people.

So cortisol is like the stress chemical, right? And it typically stops you from being overly aggressive, taking unreasonable risks because you don't want to be overly stressed out. But pathological liars have less cortisol and way more testosterone. That's scary. That's very scary. A lot of them even believe they're on lies. They're called functionally delusional by a lot of psychologists. So sometimes they can even pass a lie detector test by believing they're on lies.

And even if they're caught lying, it's said that they can rewrite their own memories on the spot, believe the new lie, on the spot. Sometimes you can physically see it. Psychologists said, look out for their eyes fluttering and then they stop and their memories change, their lives have changed, their lives have changed. They won't remember anything that they set up until that point. They are now living the new lie. Even if you say, wait a second, two seconds ago, you just said this. They're like absolutely no, I didn't. But you know better, right? Or do you?

What happens if a pathological liar takes stand in front of the entire nation to tell the world I did not kill my child? She was kidnapped by my nanny. Would you believe her? Would you be swayed? How would you even know if she's lying or not? Because unfortunately, as much as we'd like to believe so so us humans are not that good at detecting lies. As always full source notes are available at rottonminglepodcast.com but there's a ton of good resources on this case including documentaries,

a book written by the prosecutor of the case. It was called Imperfect Justice by Jeff Ashton, the prosecutor, as well as the defense attorney also came out with his own book on the case. I mean, this is, yeah, it's called presumed guilty by Jose Bees, which by the way, just the two names, imperfect justice from the prosecution, the defense presumed guilty. Fascinating, you two books that are so vastly skewed and biased on the same case. Did you read the author? So I skimmed the second one because I could not, I couldn't get through it.

I read the first one by Jeff, but I could not get through Jose's book. So are you biased? I'm definitely biased, but I think the whole world is biased on this one. Okay. I think definitely the defense attorney did not really bring out that many points where I was like, huh, it's just like, I don't know, I feel like I'm being gaslit right now.

It was a weird book. I mean, definitely go give both of those a skin, but I recommend the prosecutor's case and the prosecutor's book. He has a lot of insight, a lot of insight knowledge on this. I don't think that there's many cases up there where you get both opposing legal councils to provide a deep insight Into the whole case in the form of books. So with that being said, this is a very very very famous case

Let's talk about Casey Anthony. Casey's parents had one of those movie type of loves You know a TV show type of love her mom Cindy was working at a hospital when she ran into her husband George Will her soon-to-be husband. And George was actually the brother of one of her patients. He was also a homicide detective for the sheriff's office and the two of them instantly fell in love. They get married. George is seven years older. He'd already been married before, but none of that bothered them. The one thing that Cindy couldn't get over though was that while she was married to George, she just didn't like his job, she hated it.

He was always coming home with various injuries, he had PTSD from watching his friends literally being killed on the job, it was a dangerous job to be a homicide detective. So she begged him, do you know how dangerous this is? Think about it. If we start a family, I don't have to worry every single second that you're at work that I'm going to be a widow that my kids are going to grow up without a dad, I mean, I don't have to worry every single second that you're at work that I'm gonna be a widow that my kids are gonna grow up without a dad Please George, please can we find something else for you? So he ends up quitting his job at the sheriff's office and he started his own car dealership

He made a lot more selling cars than fighting crimes. So you know, it was a good situation in the beginning And it was around this time that the couple went on to have two kids. They're suddenly and they're baby girl Casey. Now, to help out with the kids, the family moved all the way from Ohio to Orlando, Florida, to be closer to the grandparents, free babysitting, yes, score, right? Once they get to Florida, things start taking a turn.

I mean, don't they always, it's Florida. Things start really taking a turn. I mean, don't they always? It's Florida. Things start really taking a turn. Cindy took on another nursing job, but it seemed like George just could not, or would not. I don't know what it was. He just couldn't hold down a job. Maybe it was stress, maybe it was feeling like he had failed. I don't know, but it just wasn't working out. Now, they weren't struggling by any means.

The Anthony's lived in Chickasaw Park, which is a nice little neighborhood, filled with nice, fresh-a-Saw Park, which is a nice little neighborhood, filled with nice, fresh, cut green grass lawns, nice ranch-style houses. The Anthony's had this big, neatly manicured lawn where George would teach Kasey how to ride her little bike. The kids loved playing in their little swimming pool. I mean, it's like the perfect life. Now, this is where the story gets a little bit hard to piece together. The Anthony's have not been very forthcoming with information and everything online seems

to be edging on that line of, you know, speculatory. So let's do our best. Kasey was never diagnosed with any sort of disorder, but it's said, allegedly, that she displayed some narcissistic traits. I mean, she was a bit of a proven pathological liar. As a kid, she would lie about the smallest things. Like things that didn't even matter, she was a bit of a proven pathological liar. As a kid, she would lie about the smallest things. Like, things that didn't even matter, she would lie about it. It just didn't make sense for a lot of people. From what we can gather, it's safe to say that growing up, Casey's mom was the one in charge.

She was the one that was disciplining everyone. So whenever the kids were in trouble, they would probably gravitate toward their dad. I mean, this is a more forgiving person. This is someone that's gonna hold them and say, you know what, it's gonna be okay. Don't worry. And it's clear that George just kind of went with what Cindy wanted. He even quit his job for her at one point. Remember at the share of office? So this guy is letting Cindy, his wife, take the lead, which nothing's wrong with it.

But Cindy seems to be incredibly overbearing. Like, I don't know how to say it, but she's just seems like an intense mom. Like a mom that wants to be all upbearing. Like, I don't know how to say it, but she just seems like an intense mom. Like a mom that wants to be all up in everybody's business. It's said that during high school, Casey really started to pull away from her family. She started lying about really anything and everything. She just did not want them involved in her life at all. I mean, we know nothing about her life, really.

She lied to her parents and told them that she had graduated. So they threw this massive graduation party for her. They're like, yeah, so my god, high school graduation is like the biggest moment of your life. And then they find out, oh, your daughter's not going to graduation because she didn't freaking graduate. So like, what? Now, I don't know if she later got her GED.

I don't know. But she didn't graduate high school at that moment. She starts working for Universal Studios in 2005. Very briefly, she kind of jumps around. She goes from Universal Studios to like the hard rock cafe. She's 19 years old. She's live in her best life. She meets a security guard by the name of Jessie Grunt.

So they start dating and it did not seem to be very serious. To the point where Jessie just packs up his bags and is like, goodbye Orlando, I would like to enjoy Tampa, Florida now. Sweet Leaves. I mean, I guess the two of them just naturally drifted apart. Maybe they didn't even have a breakup, which is fine, because Casey was going to a wedding that summer. She's gonna go to our Uncle Rick's wedding. It's gonna be fantastic. She had no idea who to bring.

So I guess she's just gonna go with her parents. This is June of 2005. Casey shows up at the wedding and Rick, Uncle Rick, is shocked. Casey is wearing this super tight fitting top. I mean, so tight. You could see that her belly button, not her belly,

her belly button was protruding out and it's about to slap you in the face. It's protruding out at least like an inch, maybe half an inch, something crazy. She's pregnant. I mean, it's weird, right? Her belly button, not her belly. Can you visualize this? So, Uncle Rick, oh yeah, I know you're... She's pregnant. She pregnant?

She pregnant. Oh, she pregnant So Uncle Rick is you know trying to thank her for coming. Thank you Thank you so much for being part of this joyous occasion where I'm marrying my oh She's a wonderful woman isn't she but all he could do is stare at his neisys stomach He's like what's going on? So finally he gets the anthony parents alone which Cindy is his sister by the way He's like Cindy. What's going on with Casey? Why didn't you tell me?

You guys something to tell me? Some good news? What are you talking about, Rick? She's expecting? What? Are you crazy? No, she's like 19. Cindy, I don't know how to break this to you, but she looks pregnant.

She will, I mean, come on. She looks... Am I crazy? Let me get my wife over, but she looks pregnant. She will, I mean, come on. She looks, am I crazy? Let me get my wife over here. Does she look pregnant? No, what? She's just been putting on some weight. Cindy, I have seen a lot of pregnant girls, and I'm not an expert, but she looks pregnant,

and you're a nurse, Cindy. She's not pregnant? No, no. Rick, you're crazy. No, it's just the hormones. You know how like 20 year olds are out. Don't be ridiculous So he ends the conversation there, but later on Rick is being hounded by his wife's side of the family And they're like, I don't know you had a pregnant woman in your family. Who's who's that? She's your niece. She's pregnant How many months is she pregnant? He's like, I don't know. I don't think she's pregnant. I don't know what's going on.

So Cindy keeps swearing up and down the aisle like Casey's not pregnant. Uncle Rick just could not believe it. And she just kept saying, well, it's not. I mean, she's not. That's the truth. Casey told us that you have to have sex first in order to have a baby.

And she's never had sex with anyone. So how would she have a baby? Well, Cindy, if that's the case, that's more alarming because she looks what, seven months pregnant. If that's not a baby, something's going on with her stomach. What if it's like a tumor?

Maybe it's some sort of other scary medical condition. Maybe she's bloating so much. Whatever it is. This is seven month. Yeah. Okay. She just- So she's about to pop. Oh yeah, like this is not like a cute little bump

Where you're like, ooh did I eat an extra pancake this morning or am I pregnant? No It's like a full-on iHot baby in there. I Mean whatever it was it did not look normal and what do you know Casey was seven months pregnant? I mean the fact that she was able to fool her parents is kind of gnarly to me They just accepted her claims 7 months pregnant. I mean, the fact that she was able to fool her parents is kind of gnarly to me, they just accepted her claims. Honestly, I think her compulsive lying is really showcased in this type of situation. Which by the way, I know you're gonna be like, what's wrong with the Anthony parents?

How do they not know that their own daughter was pregnant? Like this doesn't even make any sense. Well, a lot of people have hidden their pregnancies. There was recently a 26 year old woman by the name of Victoria who denied being pregnant. She told everybody around her, even her boyfriend, she already has two kids with him and she told him, no, I'm just kidding, wait, I have a cyst in my ovary. That's what's going on.

I'm getting it checked out, don't you worry. Not only was she pregnant with one child, but she was pregnant with triplets. Everybody just believed it was a sister in her ovary. So Victoria ended up giving birth at home alone, and she ended up passing away from bleeding out. There's other cases that we've talked about before where teenagers will go to prom nine months pregnant, give birth in the prom bathroom,

and then allegedly her child died, whether she killed her child or the child was still born. She was called the prom mom killer. The prom mom, do you guys remember that one? Another case of a teenage girl who gave birth and then the baby was found buried in her family backyard later on. I, yeah, I saw some TikToks of people being like, I was so bloated, I never had a regular period schedule

and then a few months later, baby. This is how to baby, they didn't even know. And it sounds insane, you're like, how do you not know that you're pregnant? So there's a lot of people who actually don't know that they're pregnant or some people who choose not to tell others. Sorry, side note, did you know that target might know though?

Even if you don't. What do you mean? Oh yeah. So target typically assigns a guest ID number to every single purchase that's made. Now this is typically tied to a credit card or an email address or sometimes a name. So it's not like you made a target account

and you only purchase off your target account. But allegedly, just anytime you use that specific credit card, it all compiles into one guest ID number And you've get this huge history of purchases and they can tell when you are pregnant Now they probably know a little bit after you, but it's not something that you would tell target because the first what? You know nine months you're not really doing anything until the baby gets there So they compare it with the historical buying data for all of the people with So they compare it with the historical buying data for all of the people with universities who signed up for target baby registries and target found that

people start buying larger quantities of unscented lotion. Unscented soaps in the beginning of their second trimester. They also start purchasing more calcium magnesium and zinc supplements, tons of cotton balls, wash cloths like towels, and they came up with a list of 25 products. When they analyzed these very specific 25 products, they gave each shopper a pregnancy prediction score. Target could even estimate their estimated due date to a small window.

So they could send them coupons time to a very specific stage of a pregnancy. So one dad, he angrily went to his local target, demanding to talk to a manager. And he says, my daughter got this in the mail. She's still in high school. You're sending her damn coupons for baby clothes and cribs. Are you trying to, are you trying to encourage her

to get pregnant? Is that what you're doing? Fucking up this generation. What? I don't know. Those aren't even sent by our branch. Like it's probably corporate, but I'm so sorry sir So the manager kept apologizing and apologizing and even called him to follow up and apologize

But the man told him And he calls back. There's a baby crying in the background He's like, oh that's my baby He told him so I talked to my daughter and it turns out there's been activities in the house that I was unaware of She's due in August and I owe you an apology. Target would do this with a lot of people and they actually realized that people would get creeped out when Target knew that you were pregnant. People started reacting like, whoa I never told anyone. I never told Target I never told an employee I never took a

Target survey. This is weird. So Target would get sneaky and this is kind of how they do it now. They start sending you coupons that are mixed in with other things. So if you're getting baby carriages, you know, you might be getting them because maybe they're putting a couple here and there, but a lot of the times they like to do it in a way that it's right next to a lawn mower. So the diapers are right next to a lawn mower, infant clothes, or right next to wine glasses. So to you, you're like, wow, these are all definitely chosen at random. But it's actually not. So every company's not just Facebook, right? Not just Facebook. Target. Yeah, everyone.

Like Target's doing data, collecting, and advertising, marketing directly to Yes, based on their data. Even we're doing it. so if I know that you clicked out of this podcast before it finished I know you a little bit. Oh, sorry You know so you're gonna watch out. There's a lot of crazy things going on Wouldn't it be nicer if they are just like okay, okay? I guess you can't assume right you shouldn't be assuming Stephanie based on your behavior. We assume that you're pregnant So here's a coupon and then you're like, I'm not pregnant though. I don't know.

I think that'd be less creepy than sending me a coupon. I think transparency obviously is good, but people don't want to be tracked. Oh no. Right. So they're just trying to make it seem random, but it's totally not random. So like I said, Target might be the only person that knows you're pregnant before you know you're pregnant. Now anyways, the Anthony's, they find that knows your pregnant before you know your pregnant.

Now anyways, the Anthony's, they find out about her pregnancy and it's a legit. I don't know if this is true that the Anthony parents told Casey, nope. I know you want to get rid of this baby. I know you want to give this baby a fair adoption but we're not allowing it. I get it, you're 19, but that doesn't matter to us. This is your baby and we're gonna raise this baby together Now this is a legit and I also don't know the reason behind this I don't know if they were religious. I don't I don't know any of that But it's just it seems like Casey didn't want this child now back to the story

Another person that didn't know about this expecting the child was Jesse He was living his best life in Tampa at this point and it was a huge surprise for him when he gets a call from Casey. Hey, you're gonna be a dad, so she let him know that she was pregnant with his baby. I mean, this guy's shocked, he's confused, but he decided, ah, maybe we should try again. I mean, let's get back together for the sake of the baby. I'll move back home to Orlando. I'll even propose. So they were engaged by the time that Kayleigh Marie Anthony was born. After her birth,

though, they did a paternity test. And it was determined that Kayleigh was not Jessie's kid. But it was too late. Like, you already accepted Kayleigh as his own. He was a dad and love. So he said, you know what? Let's be a one big happy family together. Regardless. That's nice of him. Yeah. So side note, Kaylie was living with her mom and the newborn at the time. And Jesse, I think he was either living with his parents or had his own place. So they're living separately. They're co-parenting. They're dating. They're engaged. But after having Kaylie, Jesse realized and started noticing, Kaylie's starting to change. You would think that motherhood would make people open.

I don't know, nicer. She's worse, you know. She seems more selfish and untrustworthy. She had even stolen $250 from his wallet. When he found out, she gave him every excuse in the book. Oh, this is why I can't pay you back. Oh, this is why I took it. And he just couldn't do it.

It wasn't even about the money. It was just the fact that she was constantly lying to him and just doing some weird shady stuff. She was also a super negative person and of course he tried to be accommodating, you know, she just gave birth but she would just go off on how much she hated her mom, how much she didn't want to turn out like her own mother. I just don't want to be around my mother. I just went out of that house. We should move out together ASAP. I know money is tied right now, but I hate, I hate her. Jesse would later say that Casey had this weird love hate relationship. One minute, you would say, I hate her so much and I love my dad, then the next minute, she was obsessed with her mom. And it's just like this back and forth,

super exhausting cycle. I think it goes back to when Kaylee was born. So this is Kaycie's daughter, right? When Kaylee was born, Kaycie wasn't the first one to hold her. Her own daughter. It was Cindy, her mom. Jessie said Kaycie even told me that her mom actually called herself Mommy to Kaylee. So that's like a grandma going up to your child and be like, oh, say hi to Mommy.

It's like, whoa, I'm her child and be like, oh say hi to mommy It's like whoa. I'm her mommy. What do you you're her grandma? Casey would talk about how much she hated her father equally how he always had something going on with gambling and I mean She just wasn't happy in this relationship. It was just too negative So they break up and they stay in contact as friends also Just to clarify that $250 it sounds like a really petty thing, but it wasn't just that. It was just a lot of things. I'm sure the baby not being his was adding up,

and then it was the fact that Kase kept telling him that she was working full-time at like a sports authority, like a dick's place, you know, like a dick sports authority, but she was so upset that she didn't have a babysitter. So what does Jesse do, being the good fiance that he is? He would take care of this child with his parents. He would give up his only days off to watch Kaylee. His family started pulling and waiting. His parents would, for free, watch this baby that wasn't even biologically their grandchild for days at a time. I mean, it really took a village.

Their family members were so sweet. Later, Jesse finds out that Casey didn't even have a job. So what the fork are you doing? Where are you going? Why are we watching your kid? If you're not, I mean, this is bizarre. This is really weird behavior. So he confronts her about it and she's like, oh, yeah, well, I'm going to get a job now because I found a nanny. Her name is Zanada Gonzalez, but we just call her Zanny the Nanny. This is really important. Zanny the Nanny. So this was like the last straw for Jesse. I mean, Casey didn't even have a good reason

of why she lied or what she was out doing instead of working. It just felt like Jesse and his parents were changing their whole lives, their whole schedules, sacrificing so much for a child's that technically wasn't Jesse's. So it was a lot of emotions. But here is Kasey.

Jessie isn't the only one getting fed up with her. She was just burning all of her bridges. She stole from Jessie, her uncle Rick, her mom, her own grandma. She stole her grandma's checkbook. They didn't know what to do. They wanted to go to the extreme route. They wanted to press charges so that Kasey would learn her lesson, but having these conversations wasn't working. But they couldn't. Because then Kaylee would

be missing a mom. So for the granddaughter's sake, they just did not press charges. Casey's mom herself would complain to her own therapist and say, I just hate that my daughter is so irresponsible. Well, why don't you just kick her out? That would force her to grow up. And she wouldn't rely on you as much. What about Kaylee? I can't kick my granddaughter out on the street and I know Casey would try to take her. Well, if you need to, file for custody.

And just like that, Cindy, who is feeling at the end of her rope, she agreed. She thought to herself, either you get your act together or I'm kicking you out and I'm filing for custody of Kaylee. So oh boy, Casey really resented her mom for this, like she was pissed. She also hated the fact that her own daughter Kaylee liked Cindy way more, way better than she liked her, which honestly, everyone around Kaycey thought it was normal.

Her family members even said, I mean, that's normal for a baby to like the grandma, because grandma's always spoil the kids, you know? But Kaycey genuinely felt threatened by this. Does she try to be a better mom than grandma? No, she starts going and dating new boyfriend. She's like if my daughter's not gonna love me as much as grandma, I'm gonna find somebody else to love me. So she starts dating the sky by the name of Ricardo Morales. She met him at a birthday party. At his birthday party, which is a little weird. I'm like how do you meet him when at their own birthday party? Is it like a huge house party? Did you get invited? It's weird. Anyway, they start dating and Casey did not want her parents to know.

So she would lie to them and say that she became the manager at event planning at Universal Studios. That's why she has to work all these strange hours. It's because, sure, the park ends at a specific time, but you know rich people that come in at any time that they want. I have to throw these events, these huge corporate events. I mean, it's an exhausting job, but I'm really good at it. This was a massive lie. Not only was Casey not promoted to be an event manager,

but she had been fired from Universal Studios two years ago. So her mom's like, OK, well, what about KV? Well, you work. What do you, where's the little girl going? Oh, don't worry, mom, I'm dropping her off at the nanny's house. She'll watch her, and if I work super late, I might just sleep over at the nanny's place if I'm really tired. I'll call you and let you know.

I mean, what a generous nanny. Imagine, your boss, after work, is supposed to pick up this kid, but you're like, you know what, why don't you spend the night at my place? You're tired, your house is only like five minutes away, but why don't you guys spend the night more and I want to work during this unpaid time? Let's do what I like it. I mean, it's weird. So you know that this isn't true, but instead she would be sleeping over at Ricardo's

house with her daughter, which I'm sure would be worrying for the grandparents, because Kaylee just needed to have some stable adult figures in her life. I mean, who even really knows what Ricardo is about yet? So regardless, Kaylee would sleep in the same bed as Kayce and Ricardo whenever they slept over. And in Kayce's eyes, Ricardo was going to be Kaylee's dad. Oh, he was perfect. He hated partying.

He loved to stay at home. They were like this cute little family unit. They were honestly like the poster child for a blended family, they looked really cute. The case he presumably ruined it all again. With her lying, her stealing, so they break up. And then she moves on to the next guy, Tony Lazaro. This Tony guy is the opposite of Ricardo.

He's a nightclub promoter. Yeah he is. He loved to party and stay up late. And even if he didn't, I mean it's his job so he kind of has to learn to love it. So naturally, Casey wants to stay up late and be out and about with him. Now this is really hard. Just stamina-wise, but also really hard if you have a two-year-old that cannot be left alone. That is not a lot of entry into these clubs.

So why not just leave Kaylee at home with her grandparents where she would be safe? I mean, Kaylee had been doing it all the time, even in the most inappropriate times. Sometimes Kaylee would just bring her kid Kaylee to her mom's workplace, to the hospital where she was a nurse and would just drop her off, like it's no deal. Her mom would be on the clock and stuck with this kid in a full-on hospital where she was a nurse and would just drop her off like it's no deal. Her mom would be on the clock and stuck with this kid in a full on hospital where there's emergencies where there's patients that are dying and that need her attention and she would just be so frustrated. But it just, it wouldn't stop.

Cindy kept putting her foot down and Casey didn't want to hear it. She didn't want to get nagged about how she ignores her daughter and is going out all night doing blah blah blah blah mom It's none of your business. So the dungeons they're getting intense Kasey and her mom They're like about to reach a boiling point in the beginning of June Cindy takes a week off and she wanted to spend her vacation days with Kasey and Kaylee She thought maybe a little trip with my daughter and my granddaughter I mean this is the way that we're gonna kind of iron things out

We're gonna get back together into this cute little family movement, this little routine. But the whole time, Casey just left Kaylee with her mom and went out party. She barely saw her daughter the entire time on this trip. She was just a babysitter. Casey jumped at this opportunity. She didn't even call her own mother on her mother's birthday. I mean that's, it's insane. So is this vicious cycle where Cindy would be upset at Casey for being out and partying all night and, you know, what kind of mom are you? And because Cindy was mad at Casey, Casey wouldn't want to go home, which made Cindy even

madder at Casey. There were a lot of confrontations, mainly about money being missing from Cindy's accounts and unauthorized charges on her credit card, but it just didn't seem like things were going to get better. This whole thing was even impacting Cindy and George's relationship, their marriage. It was getting bad. So Cindy's breaking point was on Facebook. She was scrolling. She's watching all the parents of cute little relationships with their daughters and their

grandkids, probably feeling jealous and a little anxious and stressed because it's one of those things. She came across a picture and it was of her daughter, Casey, at a party that was themed to anything but clothes. And there she is, smiling, wearing nothing but an American flag and holding up a bear so proud of herself, so freaking proud.

Meanwhile, Cindy is literally busting her ass. Her whole marriage is falling apart. Her family unit is falling apart. I mean, she's got this rage bubble inside of her that's just bubbling and bubbling and that night. She waits for KC to come home and they get into this explosive fight. It's a legend that KC might have later told people that her mom choked her during the fight. I highly doubt it, but that's just out there. So anyway, that night, June 15th,, Casey was pissed. The very next morning, right, she's like, wow, last night's sucked. I couldn't even go out. I just got yelled at.

So she told her mom, hey, I'm gonna drop Kaylee off at the nannies and I'm gonna go to work and you're not gonna be seeing her until probably nighttime. Because that's when I get back. In reality, Casey wasn't working. She's gonna be with Kaylee for eight hours straight. Yet she was still unemployed. For her own purposes, she had no disability or reason that she couldn't work. And that's why she was constantly stealing from her family.

So then after her shift, she would drop Kaylee off to spend the night with Cindy. And Cindy would just scream, like, you're so irresponsible. Sure, you work all day, but do you know how many mothers do that? But they still want to be home. They still want to be around their kids at night after work, but not you. You just want to drop her off and go party. Casey couldn't explain. No, Mom. I just spent eight hours straight with her.

Okay, like, we're exhausted of each other. But even this plan, she had some doubts about. Because even pathological liars, I mean, they've got to have some inkling of consequences, right? Casey started to think about, well, what happens when Kayley starts talking? Wouldn't she just expose her? Also she was getting sick of her mom's nagging, like it felt like her mom was constantly telling her, oh, you never spend time with your daughter, but jeez, I spend all day with her! It felt like, ah, she just wasn't cut out to be a mom.

That's how she felt. So the very next day, Casey takes her daughter and takes her mom's car and she says hey I'm gonna spend a few night at the nanny's house together with this kid and I'm just I think we need some time apart mom. Bye mom Why would you break into these apartments? For money for drugs, whatever was in there? Why aren't you afraid of getting caught at doing this? No, who's gonna catch us? What a police Why aren't you afraid of getting caught at doing this? No. Who's going to catch us? What a police.

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Casey would just give her some sort of vague answer. Oh, I'm at Jacksonville for like a work conference thing, and the Zanny the Nanny came to, so we're gonna actually spend some time here, and maybe we'll start heading back tomorrow, maybe the day after, but don't worry, we're doing fine. Then June 16th turned into July and then July 13th, a full month after the two left, George found a notice stuck on the side door of his house. So this is a door that doesn't get used often.

I imagine that they mainly use the garage door to get into the house. So they never saw anything stuck to the side of it. It was, um, it had been a note that they were supposed to go to the post office to pick up something, like a package. So they go, and they find out through this letter that Cindy's car had been towed. It was abandoned in a parking lot business in Orlando, Florida on June 30. Nearly two weeks before they got their notice. Okay, that's weird. Cindy starts pacing.

She feels like she's losing her mind. Oh my God, I thought she said, she told me she was going to Jacksonville. So why would she be in Orlando? I mean, none of this is making any sense. And why on earth would she just leave the car there? So George and Cindy, they go to pick up the car and George had noticed something.

What a smell. What a gross, gross smell. Now, maybe if it were me, maybe if it were you, we might think, Oh, God, did KZ throw a party in the car and everybody threw up. And she's just driving around with these drunk people. Oh, this is disgusting. But George, having been a homicide detective, said it was the unmistakable smell eliminating from the trunk. He thought the smell was of a decomposing body. So he whispered, as he walked to the trunk, please God, please dear God, don't let this

be Casey or Kaylee. He closed his eyes, opened up the trunk and he was relieved. There was only a bag of trash and some flies and some maggots. He threw it out because that's really gross. And then he drove the car home to Cindy. He said the smell was so bad he had to open all the windows and the skylight the entire drive. What's in the bag? So the cops later found the bag. It was a bunch of empty soda cans, used up papers, used up plastic and just trash. The maggots were eating up the food.

That's all, too. It's really odd. So Cindy, she smelted and she said, God, that smells awful. She starts ramaging through the car and she finds the phone number of Casey's friends, Amy. So the couple keep calling and Amy, ratted out Casey and said, well, she's not in Jacksonville. She's with her boyfriend, Tony. At Tony's place. Who the fork is Tony?

Oh, yeah, she's getting a guy named Tony. They met in Florida. He's like a, or they met on Facebook, she's getting a guy named Tony. They met in Florida. He's like a, or they met on Facebook. He's like a club promoter. Okay, well, you do you know where Tony, the club promoter lives? Yeah, I do. Okay, well then we're gonna pick you up from your house

and you're gonna drive us to Tony, the club promoter's apartment. So they had a full-on plan. Cindy would wait down the hallway and Amy would walk up to the door and knock. Of course, Casey thinking that it's just Amy at the door. She would open the door and then her mom would pop out.

Surprise. Drag her out, pick up Kaylee and threaten her. I'm gonna press charges. I'm gonna take custody of her kid blah, blah, blah. And nearly worked. Casey opened the door. Cindy sprinted to it

before she could even close it. She dragged Casey out. She's like screaming, where's Kaylee? Where's Kaylee? Casey hesitated and she panicked. She couldn't even come up with a good ex response. Uh, she's not here. Okay, what do you mean she's not here then where the hell is she? Is she at the nannies? Let's go pick her up. Um... No, she's not at the nannies? Let's go pick her up. No, she's not at the nannies. So this is starting to freak out Cindy

because it's been over a month since she's seen her granddaughter. And this is a very, very irresponsible daughter that she's dealing with. So she says, oh yeah, well, if you're not gonna talk to me, then we're gonna go to the police station and you can tell them what happened. I think at this point Cindy, yes, she was concerned

but she did not want to press charges. She Cindy yes, she was concerned, but she did not want to press charges. She was just, she's just loving. Do they think that something happened? She's just like, where the hell is Kaylee? Which one of your friends is watching Kaylee right now? You know, so she drives her to the police station and says, if you won't talk to me, have fun talking to the police. But the police station was closed. It was 5pm. They closed at 5pm.

It was 8pm, you know, because crime usually happens during the day. Right, that's what they say. When the night, when the sun sets, just the good citizens that come out to play. And because Cindy was confused on what to do next, she just dialed 911. She called 911 and was like, hello? My 22 year old daughter stole my car with drew money from my bank account without authorization and I would like to press charges.

Cindy left out the most important details, like I don't know, the stench coming from the car and the fact that her granddaughter was missing. Now, I don't know, maybe she was just calling 911 to wake Casey up to threaten her to scare her, like, oh my God, my mom really is getting the police involved. Maybe I need to tell her. Maybe this is to show her daughter I mean business.

So the 911 operator tells her well this doesn't really sound like an emergency. So why don't you call the Orange County Sheriff's Office and they'll call you back. So she gets home, she calls them. And there was just no urgency in the situation. The sheriff's office was like ma'am people are dying, there's murders happening, your daughter stealing your car and your money is horrible. It's bad, but we're not going to put it as a top priority. So we'll get there when we get there. So Cindy's still talking to her and she's like, well none of this is making sense. She calls back to the police and this time she mentions Kaylee being missing.

She says, I have a possible missing child. I have a three year old that has been missing for a month. Now the police are quiet. Now they're on high alert. Cindy hung up and she started pressing KC, where is she? Where is she? Well, she's gone. I don't know. She's missing. I think up until this point, Cindy still thought of it as like a sick game.

So a lot of the times what KC would do is if her mom was pissing her off, she would withhold her own daughter from her mother. So she would make it so that Cindy couldn't see Kaylee for like a week as punishment of nagging her like it's ridiculous. So Casey would tell her, no, no, no, I'm not, I'm not, no, where she is. Cindy just wanted to punch her in the face. But right before Cindy could do anything, Casey says, well, I think Kayleigh is missing. Cindy's like, what?

She calls the sheriff's office and she says, hey, I called a little bit ago to the deputy sheriff and I found out that my granddaughter has been taken. She's been missing for a month. She's been kidnapped. Her mother is finally admitting to the fact that she's been missing. Well, what's the address that you're calling from, ma'am?

I don't know. We're talking about a three-year-old girl. My daughter has finally admitted that the baby's still her kidnaps her. I need to find her. So your daughter admitted that the baby is where? She said the baby said her took her a month ago, and my daughter has been looking for her.

I just told you, my daughter has been, my granddaughter has been missing for a month. I just found my daughter today. She just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her daughter herself, and there's something wrong. I found my daughter's car today, and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car. Okay, ma'am, is the mother of the child there?

Could I speak with the mother of the child? Casey gets on the phone, and she's said, in the most bored voice. Hello. Look, I... instead in the most bored voice. Hello. Like I, it's like she's picking up the phone to tell the pizza driver where her house, hello. Hi, can you tell me what's going on a little bit? My daughter's been missing for like the last 31 days. Okay, and do you know who has her?

Yeah, I know who has her. I try to contact her and I actually received a phone call today from a number that is no longer in service. I did get to speak to my daughter for like about a minute. Okay, well who has her? Do you have a name? Her name is Zanada Fernandez Gonzales.

Who is that? Your babysitter? She's been my nanny for about like a year and a half or two years. So why are you just calling now? Why don't you call 30 days ago? Well I've been looking for her, and I went through like other resources to try to find her, which is stupid. So at this point, the 911 operator

is not only shocked at her response, because like, the voice, right? But at this point, the police arrived at the house, and Cindy opens the door sobbing. She's distraught, and in between sob, she tells the police that her daughter, Casey, had dropped Kaylee off at the baby to sitters a month ago, and they haven't seen the little girl since then.

So it seems like Cindy really believes her daughter. But at the same time, there's that inkling of suspicion, because she mentions. But whenever I called my daughter, she told me her and my granddaughter were vacationing in Jacksonville, Florida. I was nervous that something was wrong because every single time I called Kasey at a reason

on why I couldn't talk to Kaley. And there was just a reason wrong because every single time I called KC had a reason on why I couldn't talk to Kaylee And there was just a reason and excuse every single time Meanwhile George just stood there if you didn't know him you would think that he seemed unbothered But in reality, I think it's the fact that he used to be a detective So he went straight into this detective mode and just wanted to gather all the evidence gather all the facts The police wanted to talk with K and she told them, well, the Monday after Father's Day, I think is like 9 a.m. right? I don't know, maybe 1 p.m. I don't know. Anyway, I took my daughter to the apartment of my babysitter, Zanada Fernandez, Gonzales,

which by the way, she just goes by Zanny, Zanny the Nanny. Okay, Casey, how did you meet her? Well, she's working for like a friend of mine named Jeffrey, and anyways, she's like half half black half Puerto Rican, I think like 25 years old. I think she's originally from New York. Okay, and what does she look like? Maybe like 5'7, 140 pounds. She's got this like dark brown curly hair and like brown eyes. And what's her address? Well, I can show you it's like this apartment complex nearby. She has like two roommates by the way. Raquel Flora and Jennifer Rosa, they're in unit 210. Yeah, 210. Okay, but what else happened that day? The last day that you saw your daughter? Well, after dropping her off, I went to Universal Studios. Yeah, yeah, I worked there as an event planner. And I got out and I want to say like 5 p.m.

I drove straight to Zanny's apartment to pick up Kaylee and nobody was home. At first I didn't really panic because I thought maybe they went on a walk or something, but then I called Zanny's phone and it was disconnected. Like it wasn't even just off, it was disconnected. It was working earlier that day, that's weird. So I'm sitting there waiting for her to get back and I think I waited there for like two hours. And honestly, time is passing,

I'm starting to get a little more worried, a little more panicked. I started driving to the local areas that I knew Zannie would like to go, like the park and I couldn't find her. So I went to my boyfriend's place, to Tony's place and I just started pacing around. I was just so worried.

I mean, his place is one of the few places that I feel really at home. And like, I know, I know you're going to find this out. Like, I know, but I was stealing from my family a lot. And it's mainly because I needed the money to find Kayley. Like every day, I would just mainly go to the malls and the parks and even to, like, banks anywhere that I could remember. Zanny would take Kayley. I would go.

Why didn't you just call the police, Kaycee? Like, that doesn't make sense to us. Why is Wade? Like, I saw on movies and reports on TV that the kidnappers they do something crazy when police gets involved, so I was just kind of hoping to handle it on my own. It seemed at first the police maybe saw this as the actions of a frantic, concerned mom, who wasn't thinking straight, but the way that Kayce Casey told the interview was just so flat and emotionless.

Just didn't make any sense. She also went to say, yeah, so Zannie made contact during the past month, and I don't even remember the exact date or like the time of the call, but it was like disconnected before she could even say anything. So nothing really valuable happened then. Oh, but this morning, I got a call from Kaylee. So she dialed and I was on the phone, and she's telling me like what she was doing. nothing really valuable happened then. Oh, but this morning, I got a call from Kaylee.

So she dialed and I was on the phone, and she's telling me like what she was doing. So I told her to put an adult on the line because I wanted to talk to the nanny, but she hung up. So she never told me like how she was doing or where she was. There was no way to call her back either because the number was blocked.

So the police asked her if she was willing to record a statement. And before they started, an officer sat her down and told her, I want to make sure. I want to make it perfectly clear that if you want to go ahead and rescind this whole statement and you want to tell me a different story of what happened, if you're trying to fabricate a story to kind of make something look a little bit better, now is your time to tell me. Are you telling me that this story is the one that you want to stick with? Yeah it's the truth. It's the story that I'm

going to stick with. Yeah. So I think the way that she answered that is so weird. It wasn't just like, what are you talking about? Why would I lie? This is my daughter. Like, of course I want to find her. Why would are you kidding? Like I'm frantic. It was just like, yeah, it's the truth. It's the story I'm going to stick with. That's weird. Yeah. I've never really ever said that's the story I'm frantic. It was just like, yeah, it's the truth. It's the story I'm gonna stick with. That's weird. Yeah. I've never really ever said, that's the story I'm gonna stick with. So the cub also thinks that she's lying.

Yeah, it's just so bizarre. So your nanny just took your daughter and then disconnected her phone. I mean, she's got to, this is so trackable. This is a crazy trackable crime. And you didn't tell anyone for 30 days. So the detectives they really gave her this chance because her statement had been so sketchy so

they say let's start with the first questions how did you meet Zannie again? oh my friend Jeff okay and could we get Jeff's number? it's in my phone but I lost my phone I lost it at work and I even reported it to Universal Studios security to be on the lookout and that was like, I think like nine days ago. I still have my phone SIM card though. So I have like a contact list but I remember specifically because I tried the past 30 days that Jeff's number for whatever reason was saved on to the internal hard drive of like my phone, my actual phone instead of my SIM card. So I don't have it. And the place where like this is what what a bizarre, oddly complicated excuse, like this is weird.

So you'll soon learn that Casey had an excuse for quite literally everything, and her method of lying was to over-explain the sh-t out of everything. But even with this, the police had nothing to accuse her of. So they listed Kaylee as a missing child and was Zanada Fernandez-Gonzalez as the prime suspect. Okay, Casey, well can you bring us to Zanny's apartment? So she leads them to a nice apartment building with a pool with tennis courts again, just not really the type of place that you would expect to kidnap and like it looks like it's gated, it's got a lot of people in and out, it's a very family-friendly place.

It's just weird, someone must have noticed something, right? Each building had three floors. She said, oh, it's over there on that side. The unit is 2-10. And as the officer's got out of the car, she stayed. And it's not because she was locked up or handcuffed, she was just like, it's right there, it's over there. Okay, thanks. So they go to knock, and they knew the unit was vacant. They looked through the window and nobody was in there. There was no furniture.

So they come back and they're like, yes, she's not there. I mean, yeah, I know. They wouldn't have come back because then I would have found them, duh. So the officers, they have nothing to charge Casey with. They send her back home and they start investigating all of Casey's oddly specific claims. They found that the apartment that Zanny apparently lived in had been vacant for 142 days. A Zanaida gun Zalis had come to look at the apartment but she was never a tenant.

So that's line number one but it's still kind of a weird lie because oh so there is a Zanaida. There is a Zanny right? Yeah. Then line number two Casey told them that Zanie used to live in a different apartment complex But that was a senior's only facility and she claimed Zanie was 25 It also happened to be across the street from Casey's ex-house Jesse grunt So the police gathered maybe that's where she got her inspiration for this lie then line number three Casey was not an event planner at Universal Studios. She wasn't even a current employee. Apparently, she worked at the park very briefly selling photos at a souvenir shop, but she

was fired. April 2006, a full two years ago. But the police, they don't confront her. Instead, they're in it for the show. They drag her to Universal Studios and they said, hey, they're in it for the show. You know, they drag her to Universal Studios and they said, hey, we're looking for your missing phone. So, come on, let's go. So, Casey goes with him.

Chessed up high, chin up. She gets to the gate and she starts comically, at this point, explaining, oh my God, oh my God, she's patting her paw. Oh, I'm such a dents. I left my badge at home. I think I lost, so annoying. I keep doing this, I keep losing my ID card.

The police are just standing there like, mm-hmm, sure. Security, sorry, I work here and I lost my badge. Okay, what's your name? Can we get your employee ID? They run it through the system and they look at her. They say, sorry, there's no record of you. There, okay, the system is so shitty. Like, we always deal with problems like this.

Can you just call my manager? Can you just call Daniel? She just keeps going. Oh, she keeps going and the cops are just letting her do it. Because the cops, I think the one thing that police are really into is watching you lie. Like they never stop alive. Yeah, because now she's literally giving evidence. Yeah, and I think there was some comedy to it.

To a degree, obviously, because there's a missing child, but just the sheer aspect that a full grown adult is doing this is mind-boggling. I don't even think a kid could be so shameless to do this. So she's there like, sorry, there's no record of you. Oh God, the system sucks. Can you call like my manager, Daniel, and can you get him to let me in? Okay, sure. What's your supervisor's name?

It's Daniel Sue. Daniel Sue? No, I'm just coming up with a name, okay. And the guard runs the name through. Nothing. So he doesn't work there either. So the police are just standing behind Casey watching this unfold. And as they're waiting for her to admit her to her lies, she just kept going.

She dragged out the whole explanation. Like, I work here. You guys must be mistaken. I just hate this system. Like, this happened to me twice already this year. Like, I just, you guys must be mistaken. I just hate this system. Like this happened to me twice already this year. Like I just, you guys need to get it together. Like, oh. Can I speak to a manager?

Yeah. And the police, they're so exhausted. That one of them flashes their badges and the security lets them all in. Now the police, honestly, we're just trying to see where this is all going to go. And they let Casey lead them through universal, pretending like she was gonna lead them to her office.

They were shocked with how much confidence she had. She was leading them through the maze of office buildings. This is the employee side of Universal. She would take these sharp turns, she would walk like she was on a mission. She even went into an office building. And just as confidently, she turned around halfway through the main hall, turned around, stopped, put her hands in her pockets and said, okay, I don't really work here. And she said it as if it was like

he, I just cut cut lying. I did eat the last apple. shot. Oh, and she flashed them a cute little shy grin. That's when they like fast up. Yeah, like to the end of the rope the end And their reaction is like he he he he he I'm so cute What? So they drag her back to the police interrogation room and they confronted her with all of her lies And she was not budging. She was like sure I like to everyone in my life and you guys about working at Universal Studios for years, but trust me, I'm not a liar. That's

crazy that you would even think that I'm a liar. Your liar. The conversation was going nowhere. The police eventually threw in the towel. I think that's the thing with liars is that they will lie you and they will lie to you until you're so exhausted that you give up. You're like, okay, I can't even do this anymore. She was officially rested on July 16th. And in jail, Kasey decides to call her mom. And the whole thing is weird because you know, these phone calls are recorded. Cindy picks up the phone and Kase Casey shows no concern about her missing daughter.

Because at the end of the day, her daughter is still missing, right? And her mom confronts her and says, I don't know what your involvement is sweetheart. But I feel like you're not telling us where Kaylie is. Because I don't fucking know where she's at. Are you kidding me? Casey, don't waste your call screaming and hollering at me. Do me a favor, mom. Just tell me what Tony's number is. I don't even want to talk to you right now. Forget it.

Or just, you know what? If you're not going to give me Tony's number, put Lee on the phone. So her older brother gets on the phone. And Casey didn't really want to talk to him. She just tried to persuade him to give her Tony's number, but he refused. Now, I don't even know if Tony would have picked up regardless, because earlier that day, right before Casey's arrest, he gets a knock on the door. Open up, police. They're asking about Casey and Kaylee and he tells the police, wait, what? Kaylee's missing?

Does my first time hearing about it? I mean, Casey's been living with me since June 16th, and she never mentioned that her daughter was missing. Not once. I haven't seen her daughter since June 4th. Have you ever met Kaylee's nanny? Oh no, I've never met Sanny. I don't even know where she lives.

But Kaylee did tell me that Kaylee was with the nanny, or she was either like Disney world with the nanny I think, or I don't know, Universal Studios, or like at the beach. I never really thought that deep into it as not my kid. And right before Kaylee was arrested, Tony texted her. Where's Kaylee? I don't know. You don't know? Are you serious?

Like, when did you find out that your daughter was missing? I've been filling out reports all night and driving around with multiple officers looking at old apartments that I had taken her to. I'm the worst fucking person in the world, in the entire world. I don't know what I'll do if something happens to her. I knew for far too long, Let's just leave it at that. Well, why didn't you tell me of all people? I was your boyfriend at the time and I cared about you and your daughter. That doesn't even make any sense to me. Why would you lie?

Why would you lie to me and made me feel like your daughter was fine and with your nanny? I lied to everyone. I- What was I supposed to say? That I trust my daughter with some psycho? Like how does that make me look? I don't know what to say, KC. I just hope that your daughter is okay. And I'm gonna do whatever I can to help your family and the cops. Well, I was put in handcuffs for almost 10 minutes

and sat in the back of a cop car. The best thing on the most important person in my life is missing and God only knows if I'm ever gonna see her again. I am the dumbest person and the worst mother. Honestly, I hate myself." And then she said, The most important thing to me is just getting Kayleigh back. I truly hope that you can forgive me. I mean granted, I'll never be able to forgive myself nor will my family ever forgive me.

Casey, who the hell is Zanny, the nanny, or whatever? It's just someone that I met from a personal friend like four years ago. She used to be my buddy Jeff Zanny before she became mine. Okay, well where did you drop off Kaylee the last time you saw her? At the apartment at the bottom of the stairs, and if they don't find her, guess who's gonna get blamed and spend an eternity in jail? Y'all know shit Kaycee, this is serious. Why wouldn't you say something sooner about this to anybody?

I talked to two people who are directly connected to Zanny and like, how could I sit there and be so blind and stupid, like this is my fault? I was so scared to admit it and I was so scared something was going to happen to my baby. Tony refused to text her back. I never visited her in jail, like he was done, because what the whole time, even just her logic and like, me, me, me, I'm going to be in jail, me, I was in the writing report. It's so intense. So Casey starts trying to get out on bond, but it was set at $500,000 for felony child

neglect. Casey's family did not have that kind of money, which by the way, they were still supporting her at this point. They believed that their daughter, Casey, was innocent. They believed that their daughter Casey was innocent. They believed that the police were looking for a scapegoat instead of finding Zanny and Kaylee. The police were too busy just trying to get a conviction. Cindy even wondered, maybe Casey was threatened to keep quiet about something and that's why

her story is not adding up. Casey was ordered to meet with two psychiatrists for an evaluation and they concluded that she was perfectly normal and had no indication of mental illness. The one thing that they did note that was alarming was that Casey wasn't, I quote, unusually happy considering her circumstances. Even Casey's family noticed her unusually happy demeanor. She looked relaxed. She looked happy to see her parents. She would giggle

during these jail visits, chilling like a villain, literally, having a blast. It's crazy. Scary. Because I mean, even if you did do something to your child, you'd be shitting your pants. And if you didn't do anything to your child, you'd be shitting your pants even harder. Yeah, isn't that what separates human from other animals? Because you know consequences, right? So you don't do things that f**ks things up. Exactly. But she's just out here.

Wow, not giving a care in the world. She even asked her dad, like, oh, which, where'd you get that shirt? His shirt? I had a picture of a butterfly on it and the words help find Kaylee. Shut up. Yeah, and she's like, oh, like where'd you get that shirt? Just casual. She didn't even seem pressured to work with her family or even the police to help locate

her daughter. She would just laugh. She would say very nonchalantly, listen, I'll stay here as long as I have to. My only concern is finding Kaylee. It's really not up to you how long you stay there. That's kind of not how prison works. But okay. So, it seems like her family is still supporting there, that's kind of not how prison works, but okay. So it seems like her family is still supporting her,

but they kind of feel like she's lying. Like there's something going on, right? I mean, they don't wanna believe that their daughter did anything horrendous, but they definitely feel like she's holding something with holding information. So Cindy goes to the jail one day. She sits down with Casey. Now, there is no picture like this that exists,

but she says, I found a picture of Casey and the police are using it. It's, um, they think it's a picture of Kaylee in Zanny's apartment. It was the, uh, Zanny's apartment had the drum set, right? This is not a picture. This is like a random thing. She made up. Yeah. Is Zanny's apartment the one with the drums? Yeah, she had a drum set. Yeah, that's the one. Like the one in the picture, right? Um, I don't know, I'm sure that there's other pictures. So yeah, you guys can look through all of that if it helps. Okay, but that's Zanny's apartment, right? The one with the drums?

Uh, I don't know if it's like the exact department because my ex-boyfriend had a place that in the setup was a lot like Zannies. So I mean it was just really odd. The whole thing is weird. Like it seems like she was just going along with the flow. She's just making up lies as she goes. And Cindy, even knowing this, she refused to do anything about it.

The one thing that became very, very clear, very quickly on to the police, the prosecutors, to really anyone, even the public was that Casey was very quick to lie, never thought twice about it, and her parents, they kind of enabled it. They would get so far, instead of being like, Casey, you're lying, I know you're freaking lying. They would just say, okay, that's fine then, yeah. That makes sense. They never confronted her. Okay, even though they then, yeah. That makes sense. They never confronted her. Okay, even though they know she's lying. Yeah, they even asked her,

did your brother tell you how much the reward is to find Kaylee? No, he didn't tell me. It's over, I think it's like $250,000 right now. And Casey would respond, Jesus Christ, that's half my bond. What an odd response. Kasey also complained to her parents that she looked like Helen Prism.

She wanted her parents to tell the world this message for Kaylee. She said, Kaylee, mommy loves you very much. You are the most important thing in the world to me. Be brave. I truly love and miss that little girl and you guys. Anyways, I hate men. Tony has never been there for me and Jesse, I don't even want him anywhere near our family, he cannot be trusted. It's like she just goes on a rant.

Another thing that's really odd, as if it couldn't get worse, is that Kasey had changed her MySpace password. June 16th, the day that she left, right, with Kaylee, and she changed it to the word Timer55. She even told her brother that her MySpace password had something to do with Kaylee. Now here's the odd thing. June 16th was the last time Cindy saw Kaylee. 55 days from that day was Kaylee's birthday. So does that mean Kayce knew that she had 55 days to keep her family from discovering that Kaylee had gone missing?

Timer 55, it's weird. Kayce's family kept visiting. They were so frustrated, they just wanted something to find Kaylee. They were at the end of their rope and Cindy would beg KC, please. Please, like we just need something. Well mom, I don't have anything, I'm sorry. I've been in here a month, a month. Today, do you understand how I feel?

I mean, do you really understand how I feel in all of this? George stepped in and he tried to intervene and he said, I know your attorney is telling you to not work with the police. But which is his job, yes, but you're the boss at the end of the day. And finding Kaylee is the most important thing to you and to us. And talking to the police will help them find her. Dad, the police are not helping us. They hadn't even given me 24 hours to help find Kaylee

before they arrested me. My attorney is looking out for both of us, me and Kaylee, and you guys are just looking out for Kaylee. Besides nobody is even letting me talk, I'm not in control. Everybody wants to know these things, but I have nothing to tell her. Besides I need to focus on my case. I mean, my focus is on Kaylee, and finding her. And I already told the police everything that I knew.

And I mean, I'm truly angry about all of this. Like, I'm still in jail. I'm sitting in jail. This isn't the most angry I have been since this started. People expect me having been in jail for a month to be able to give helpful information. Like, I wish there was something I could do to make things easier on the family.

But I am just as much of a victim as the rest of you. It looked like Casey was looking for comfort from her family, her ex-boyfriends, anybody really while she was in prison, but she wasn't gonna get it. Everyone was trying to find Kaylee before he was even too late to comfort baby Kaylee. And then it happened. The police located Zanny the Nanny. They found a Zeneida Gonzales living 30 minutes away from Orlando She was very friendly cooperated with the police and she was very confused First of all she had never known a Casey or a Kaylee or even worked as a babysitter to anyone in her life She was shown pictures of Casey and Kaylee and she's like, I don't know who these people are to make matters worse

Casey was unable to ID Zanada from a photo lineup. The only piece of evidence now the police had was the car. So they start searching through Cindy's trunk and yeah the one that had a foul smell. Well the minute that they opened up the driver's side door they said oh yeah it's that smell. It was clearly as they knew the odor of decomposition. So it's very startling. The rest of the car looked very, very well maintained, it looked pretty clean. The rest of the car looked very, very well maintained, it looked pretty clean, the inside was vacuumed, sure there were some personal things on the seats, but overall it was very well kept. The smell was the strongest when they opened up the trunk,

and a cadaver dog was brought in, and even the dog showed a lot of interest in that trunk. The police took out a piece of carpeting from the trunk and sent it to be tested. It was found to have traces of fatty acids and inorganic elements and concentrations consistent with human decomposition. There was also an alarming amount of chloroform on there. The levels were so high that the chloroform was the most prevalent compound found on the carpet. Which more on this chloroform later. In addition to that, they found a paper towel with some greasy substance on there. So they sent it to be tested and it came back as a match to what they call grave wax,

or corpse wax. So it's wax that can be taken from a corpse, essentially under the right environment and the right corpse, a part of the decomposition will turn body fat into a soap-like substance. It's almost like brittle soap. Yeah, it's like a... Yeah. Like a...

Yeah. They make soap out of... Oh, yeah. Body fat. Yeah, it's like that. And when the corpse's body fat is exposed to bacteria in particularly like a warm, damp, alkaline environment in soil or in water, a lot of the times

it'll even stop the decay process of the corpse. And it encases the body in a waxy material turning it into, well, a soap mummy. One of the weirdest cases of this was in 1996. A headless body fully covered, fully just like slugged in corpse wax, was found floating in the bay in Switzerland. I mean, for years scientists were so confused, they had no idea who this guy was. Nor did they have any clue how long he'd been in the bay in Switzerland. I mean, for years scientists were so confused, they had no idea who this guy was.

Nor did they have any clue how long he'd been in the water. Then in 2011, the University of Zurich found that the man had drowned in the lake in the 1700s. For hundreds of years, this guy was encased in wax. It's suspected that he drowned. His body floated to the bottom, was covered by sediment, and the grave wax formed around his body, and kept him preserved, like a soap mummy. Fascinating, right? Well, German graveyards had a very, very harsh reality that they had

to face. It was pretty standard in Germany for a lot of graveyards to recycle their graves every 15 to 25 years. So this is when the bodies are completely skeletonized. But due to the soil in some of the German cemeteries, the corpse build up got so bad because none of the bodies were decomposing like at all. They were turning into soap mummies. So they had a graveyard filled with soap mummies. Back in 1825, a physician was giving a public lecture to talk about a mummies dissection that he had found. And he said that he found this waxy material in the mummy and he thought it was, oh, just stuff that they used to preserve the mummy, right? So he recycled it because it's 1825

and it's all about sustainability. And he later found out that the part that he recycled into a candle that he used to light his public lecture was the corpse's body fat. Typically corpses of, and this is where it gets really sad, typically corpses of women, infants, and overweight persons are particularly prone to turning into soap essentially, because there's a higher percentage of body fat. So when they find this, I mean this is not good. Another very, very crucial piece of evidence

where the hair is found in the trunk. The hair is matched the sample given from Kaley's hairbrush. Now hair is not the same as DNA samples. Like you can exclude possibilities or find that two samples might not belong to the same person or you can say, oh these two are very, very similar, right? But it's not as, oh, without a shadow of doubt, as DNA evidence. They ran the mitochondrial DNA from the hair, and mitochondrial DNA is a lot less specific than nuclear DNA.

So mitochondrial DNA is strictly inherited by the mother. So your empty DNA is identical to that of your brothers, your sisters, your mother, and all of your mother siblings, and your grandmother on that side and all of her siblings. So the mitochondrial DNA was a match. Now since Cindy and Casey and Lee's hair could all be a match, they were tested with the hair found in the trunk and they were excluded. It wasn't a dimming sense. So logically, it seemed like it was K-lease.

I mean, none of these alone were an irrefutable sign of a dead body, but I think the combination of them and everything else that was going on, it was very likely that there was a dead body inside the trunk. And there was Kaylee. Yes. So now back to the chloroform. There was a lot found in the carpeting of the trunk. So police searched Casey's computer and there was no weird searches of any sorts.

They did an inspection on another computer in the Anthony House and that told a very different story. They found that the family computer, someone had searched for information about chloroform. They even typed into the computer the search bar had to make chloroform. Now, at the same time, the same date of those searches, Georgian Cindy were at work. So they were both not home when the family computer had been searching about chloroforms so it had to be have been done by someone that wasn't them. Someone like Casey.

So the police put together a little timeline of what they believed happened. They believed that Casey had left her parents' house, June 16th, and that was like the last time everybody saw Kaylee alive. And since that day, she would be spending the night at Tony's place. They were even caught on CCTV going to the movies,

but Kaylee was nowhere in sight. When later Tony was asked about that night, he said, Oh, we just, you know, when we got home, we watched porn and went to bed and wink wink. We didn't leave the bedroom until later that day, the next day. According to Tony, he didn't see Kaylee at all that day. In fact, he hadn't seen her since June 16th or even June 2nd, really. The next day, Kaycey drove home when her parents were at work and we don't know what she was doing,

home alone in that house. God knows what. She left before her parents got home. She called them from Tony's place and said, hey, we're gonna spend another night with the nanny. Yeah, I'm with Kaylee, where the nannies were fine. But instead, she was at Tony's without Kaylee. She also texted her friend Amy about how she was so excited

for them to move in together. So Kasey had told Amy that her parents were moving out of the family home and that Amy was welcome to live with her. That's weird. Yeah, and it wasn't true. That's really weird. Is she trying to kill the parents too?

No, it seems like she was just really a compulsive liar, just like a pathological liar. So the next day, Kasey calls her parents and based on the length of the phone call, it seemed like she was trying to confirm whether or not they were home because they didn't pick up and the neighbors later saw Casey's car at the house. She even asked her neighbor to borrow a shovel. She said she needed it to dig up some bamboo in the backyard.

She gave it back in less than an hour, but it didn't even look like it was used. So the prosecutors theorized that Casey had Kaylee's remains in her trunk. borrowed the shovel with the intention of burying her daughter, but for some reason maybe guilt, maybe another reason she could not do it. So after that she left her parents house where she would sleep over, for the third night in a row, at her boyfriend's place, without Kaleigh. Then she calls her mom and says, hey we're going to Tampa, for a work-related conference. I'm not only taking my daughter, but I'm taking Zanny the nanny. It'll be fun! Cindy had no reason to doubt this story.

I mean, it made sense to her. While Cindy believed Casey to be in Tampa, phone records showed that she was still in Tony's neighborhood and the two of them were going apartment hunting. So throughout the night, Tony would ask where Kayley was and each time she lied to him, oh, she's at home with grandma, oh, she's with the nanny, or just dropped off, or just with this.

So Kayce stayed with Tony for a while, she was cooking all the meals, cleaning, doing the laundry. It seemed like she was this amazing, like, housewife, guest, girlfriend, like it was weird. She would go out clubbing with Tony, the club that he worked for had hosted a huge party called Hot Body Contest. So Casey showed up in this short blue dress and just was grinding up on the dance floor. Casey would periodically call her parents to tell them about her Tampa travels. Oh, I'm just been so busy. Oh my god, we haven't even gone to the amusement park.

Oh blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. After this phone call, George was mowing his lawn and he noticed that his shed had a broken lock and two missing gas cans. So George suspected Casey because she had done this before and who else would do this, but at the same time she told him that they were in Tampa, so none of this was making sense. He reported the two gas cans stolen, which was about $50 worth of gas and $50 of damages of the broken lock, and that very night, Casey goes home to her parents and they're shocked they're like whoa Whoa, what are you doing here? So she had expected that they'd be gone She's like oh, I need it to get my car insurance papers because on the way back from Tampa

We got into a car accident and Zanny the nanny is hurt. She's in the hospital. I'm gonna go back I just need to get my I just need to get my papers So she's trying to rush out now George thinking that Casey stole the gas cans, he rushes out to the trunk and is about to open it, but Casey pushes him out, opens the trunk herself, and it was positioned in a way where George could not see into the trunk. She grabs two empty gas cans and says,

here you're fucking gas cans, shoves them into his arms and gets into the car before skirks scurrying off. So he's like standing in shock in shock like what just happened? That was so random. 20 minutes later Cindy is getting frantic phone calls from her daughter. So I mean what's going on is I think that she's realizing her lies are falling apart so she's frantically trying to cover for it but it just makes everything worse. She said, listen, Zanny's not doing well.

There's complications. She's the accident was bad. I drive all the way home to get the insurance papers. Anyways, there's like even a smell in the car because I ran over a squirrel. So again, maybe her dad might have smelled something so she's paranoid. My life is just not going well.

I can't believe I ran into a squirrel. It's like when a kid tries to over-explain every little detail of everything and you're like, OK, you're being suspicious. That's what a full grown Casey is doing. I knew someone who's just like that. Really? Years ago.

So what she would do is I think I told you this before. I never understood how does she function, but now hearing this throughout the year, I learn about these types of behavior now, I understand. Like one time she was late, literally just text. One week into the, her new job late literally just text one week into the her new job. She just text the boss. I got into oh my dad got into car accident and his leg is broken.

And she sent a photo. Yeah, she sent a photo. And then our friend, like the manager already suspecting her line because she's always late and she always come out with the most bizarre story. And he just Google searched the picture. It was literally on the homepage. The first image that pops up. I remember this.

I remember that we were both like, it's like, what do you do if someone's like, hey, this is a Google image? So, how do you explain this? And it just feels like something not even a kid would do? Yeah, it's like, I don't know, it's crazy. So, if that one was wild, I remember that one. And this one's wild too, like she's just going on

over explaining now. Now there was an attempt to be not suspicious, but it backfired. So as more time went by, Kasey had reached the end of the line with her Tampa little lie. Zanny's car accident excuse was also reaching the end. She needed a new reason to be gone. And this is when the Anthony started to feel a little bit uncomfortable, a little bit

suspicious, because Casey would tell them that she was back in town, but she was staying at the Universal's Hard Rock Hotel with her friend, Jeff. Remember the one that introduced her to Zanny the nanny? Anyway, he has a son. And since they're visiting from out of town, they're going to all stay together at the hotel, and he got this room for her and for Kaylee, just the two of them, a separate room because he's a wealthy trust fund baby, and get this. Jeff is a single dad, his wife died a few years ago, and I think he's kind of into me. And you're like, wow, Jeff is as real as my imaginary friend, but it turns out Jeff

is real. He's an actual person. Casey had known him throughout middle school and high school, but they lost touch. And a weird twist of fate, they actually ran into each other one night while Casey was out clubbing. They exchanged phone numbers, but they never followed up. They never got lunch like they agreed. They never got coffee. The real Jeff had no kids, no trust fund, no dead wife, and absolutely no interest in Casey and had never met Kaylee before. She's using a person that she knows. But it bought Casey some time, some valuable time to go clubbing with her friends and to go shopping.

She even got a tattoo that said, Bella Vida, which is Italian for a beautiful life on her left shoulder. She even told the tattoo artist about her kid and her nanny and about how next time she's getting in tattoo, she would bring them both along. Soon after, Casey started calling Cindy every single day, because, you know, I think that she felt that her mom was trusting her lesson less than she kept rambling and rambling and giving more and more excuses. So for weeks, Cindy had been planning a vacation for the 4th of July to hang out with her granddaughter, granddaughter and her vacation days had started but Kaylee was nowhere to be found. So Cindy calls her and says, okay, I'm just going to come to Universal Studios. I just want to see her for like two seconds. I miss her so much.

Yeah, obviously I would love to invite you in, but right now I'm like at an event where it's employees only for Universal Studios, but that's fine. So Cindy drove all the way to Universal Studios. She called from a parking lot and said, Hey, which exit are you? Um, where, where, where, gonna meet you in parking lot C? I'm gonna bring Kaylee. Okay, uh, let me get to parking lot C, hold on.

She called it from parking lot C. Hey, I see like an entrance like C9, is that... No, no, that's the wrong one. If you exit that parking lot and do a circle around universal, there's a different parking lot. See, and like that one should be, there's like blue banners instead of the yellow banners. I know it's so complicated.

I don't know why they did it like this, but it's a different parking lot. Okay, so this went on for hours. And she was like picking up. Casey would keep picking up and keep giving her new directions. I mean, so bizarre. So Cindy finally gave up, went home, and she figured that Casey was just lying again,

that maybe she was just out with friends and out doing things not work related. Meanwhile, Casey decides to steal her friend's wallet after driving her to the airport, yeah, stole her wallet from her wall, driving her to the airport, and spent $700 on lingerie to the paper clothes, orange juice, and a bunch of stuff from Target. This is the police reconstruction of events, right? But they still had major questions, such as, where is Kayleigh?

Is she still alive? If yes, who is she with? If not, who killed her? Did Casey kill her? And if so, why would you kill her own daughter and how is she planning to get away with it? Meanwhile, Casey's defense had a few tricks up their sleeves. Casey's lawyer got a bounty hunter involved because he truly believed Casey to be innocent. They wanted to help locate the daughter, and it only makes sense because there was a $250,000

reward for anyone who could find Kaylee. So the bounty hunter said, all right, I'm going to release you on bond, but we're going to have all of our associates watching Casey to make sure she doesn't try to bail. She doesn't try to run out on us. And using her, we're going to get information about Zannie the Nanny. We're going to locate her daughter, get the 250K. Casey won't have any charges.

No bond. We'll get our money back. That's how we're going to make a quarter million dollars right now. So they do it. But when she gets out, KC does not cooperate with the police or even with the bond bounty hunter. I mean, nothing. The whole thing was bizarre. The bounty hunter who wanted that 250k just was like, I can't do it. Send her back to jail. Revoke the bail. If anything, this entire debacle made KC look worse in the public eye because it just made her look guiltier

She kept preaching about how she would find Kaylee if she were ever let out the police threw her in here and now it's dampening their chances of finding Kaylee But then she got out and she did nothing But after a week of being incarcerated again an anonymous person stepped in and posted her bail Which like what who why I don't know, but they did Was it announced? No What and after the release Casey started spinning a new story Which like what who why I don't know but they did was announced no What and after the release Casey started spinning a new story the day that Kaylee went missing She said now she went from dropping off Kaylee at nanny's house to she took Kaylee to the park and meant Zanny there She and Zanny were watching the kids play and Zanny grabbed her by the arm and threatened her quietly

She said you're a bad mom You're a bad mom and I'm gonna take Kayleigh as punishment. I need to teach you a lesson. I'll return your kid to you, but you've got to do something for me. You cannot go to the police. You cannot tell anybody about this. And if that happens, if you do go to the police, if you do tell somebody about this, you know, I know where your parents live. I know where your brother lives. I have Kayleigh. And you don't want me to find out that you told someone. This is her new story, and the police are like, that's dumber than ever. Why would an Annie kid up a child to teach a mom a lesson is beyond me?

Because what does she get out of this? Absolutely nothing but a long jail sentence. But apparently it wasn't beyond the Anthony's, they believed her. And they were getting frustrated with the police, they were like, what? Why? Why are you guys looking for Kaylee? Like Casey's giving you such valuable good information. Casey's defense team also hired an attorney

to help locate Kaylee. And he tried to locate Jeff and Zanny, but none of them existed. They looked everywhere. Nothing. Unless this is a crime syndicate that's more powerful than the FBI, like this is weird. Why would they go around teaching young moms a lesson? There's no way that this story is real. And to make matters worse, Casey sold videos and photographs of her daughter to ABC news for $200,000.

What? Yeah. Yeah, she did. Of Kaylee, her missing child. She didn't do it for free because her child is missing. She said for $200,000, her attorney later confirmed this and said it was just to cover her legal fees. And then August 11th, a man by the name of Roy. His name is Roy Cronk and he works near the Anthony House. I believe he was in some sort of construction or a meter knee, like he did one of those things

Anyways, he's trying to pee and this is like in the swamps area of Florida Like a very swampy area. There's lots of gators. There's gonna be snakes There's gonna be a lot of poison ivy. It's not a great area But he just needed to pee really bad So he notices some thick vegetation. He kind of swipes it to the side gets into the swamp Skets into the bushes and he starts peeing and he says, What is that on the ground? And it looks like a laundry bag and he peered inside and it was very quick. He said it

It thought to be a human skull poking out. So he rushed out and he called the police and They didn't really call him back. So he called again. Then two officers were sent out to investigate. Now listen, I know the police were being swamped by a ton of fake tips at this point because they were investigating a bunch of dead end leads. You know, I'm sure it's frustrating not motivating, but they were really rude. They went out there and they treated Roy like he was crazy. Like, there is nothing out of the ordinary here. You're wasting our time. You want publicity. We're not giving it to you. So goodbye. Did he even look at it? No. So Roy felt ashamed and stupid and he went home and he forgot about it for months. He didn't even try to call the tip line again. But afterwards, in December, he went to go

pee once again, December 11th of 2008. And this time, he saw the skull laying just full on on the ground. So he freaked out, called the police, and this time they did go to the swamp area. They did see the skull. There was also leg bones very close to the plastic bag. There, the skull had some hair around it. Three pieces of duct tape were covering the mouth, as well as the nose from ear to ear.

Small strands of hair were stuck to the tape, and the lower edge of the lowest piece of tape was bent. It was as if it was pressed under the jaw. So the tape was keeping the jaw bone from separating from the skull. A creepy detail to note, there was an imprint on the duct tape used to cover the mouth and the imprint was in the shape of a heart. So it speculated that the killer put a piece of tape over the mouth of the corpse and then placed a heart sticker on top.

The rest of the skeleton was extremely scattered, mainly due to animal activity as well as heavy rains in Florida, and over the next 10 days, investigators found the torso. Most of the ribs, the vertebrae. One specific bone, the hip bone, was buried under 4 inches of muck. They were able to determine that the body was fully decomposed before the rainy season in July. They also found evidence that the body had been wrapped up in a baby blanket that had wini the poo and piglet patterns on it, and then it was thrown into a trash bag, an extra strength

trash bag, before being thrown into a laundry bag. There was some other toddler clothes, like a pair of shorts, and you know, other things are shirt that was shredded up, and though this has never tied to anyone or used as actual evidence, but there was a red Disney World bag that was found at the scene. Maybe a foot away from the remains, and inside of that bag was a gatorade bottle with this murky translucent liquid inside that was paired with the syringe. When it was tested, it was shown to be cleaning products that contained trace amounts of chloroform. What's even harder is that there were trace amounts of testosterone in the

liquid. Like the kind of hormones that you would take to enhance muscle growth, but again it was never tied to anyone, but it's very strange to be so close to the body. The remains were confirmed to be Kaylee Anthony. The matter of death was homicide, but because of the cause of death could not be determined. I mean, it was just too advanced into the decomposition. The body had been decomposing for 47 months, so it was really hard to say. It was also determined that baby Kaylee had died elsewhere before being buried here, or I guess, left here. So the police searched the Anthony House, and they found Laundry bags that were the same

Whitney design brand, which was a target product at the time, as the one that Kaylee's remains were found in. The Laundry bags, they were sold in sets of two, one cylindrical one and one rectangular one. A rectangular one was found in the house and Kaylee was found in a cylindrical one. In the backyard shed, they found trash bags, duck tape, that they were the same brand as the one that was found with Kaylee's remains.

Now, the irony is all of this is that the same brand of duck tape was used to put up Kaylee's missing posters. The police hope that since Kaylee's parents had been so hostile, criticizing them at every single turn, taking blame away from their daughter, placing it onto the police, for not looking for Kaylee, they thought in hope that this news would just wake them up to the reality of the situation. But that didn't happen.

George and Cindy were still angry in hostile. They kept complaining about the mess that the police made in their house and about how Kaylee was the only suspect and why is that a thing? And as far as they were concerned, the police were looking for an easy way out. Yes, Kaylee was dead, but Casey didn't do it. How, what do you think is going on?

Like the father is a detective or... You know, I think it's really, you know, when you're kids, you just can't imagine that it's how you raise this kid. It's almost like a reflection of you, I imagine. Maybe that's why it's so hard for parents to wake up to their kids doing something bad. I mean, I am frustrated,

but I do feel sympathy especially for George. It seemed like he was always someone that went along with things. Now, I feel too a degree. I don't want people to think like I'm on George's side. Now, the situation really did weigh heavy with him. In 2009, George read a letter and attempted to take his own life. He said it felt like his beloved granddaughter was dead. His daughter was the only suspect

and it was a lot. I don't know, maybe it's because he always went with whatever Cindy wanted, whatever she said goes, whatever she wanted was the way it was going to go. Maybe that's how he was just going with her on this one too. I imagine it would be very difficult for him to go against his family though. So meanwhile the defense is coming up to reasons why Casey was innocent. They argued that the swamp area near the Anthony House was already cleared. The initial search to be fair, the people that cleared this area were just volunteers. The area was filled, the swamp area was filled with poisonous snakes, poison ivy, probably alligators, but KC's defense would argue that since it was already cleared, nothing was found there, and by the time that something was found KC was already in jail, so how could

she have put Kili's body there? She was obviously being framed. The timeline didn't make sense. The trial was scheduled for May 2011, the prosecution and the defense had over a year to prepare, and just four weeks before the trial, the defense wanted to bring in two extra witnesses, two psychiatrists. They both interviewed Casey and they said that they knew the real truth. It would be the fourth truth, to be particular.

Casey was now blaming her father for the death of her child. If it sounds despicable, it gets worse. She said that June 16th, she was asleep. Unusually deep in sleep, almost insinuating that her father had drugged her. She said she was woken up by her dad, who is screaming at her, where's Kaylee? And while she's still deep in sleep, George starts searching the house frantically and he finally finds Kaylee in the pool. She had drowned, allegedly.

So Kayce is suspicious about the whole thing because, I mean, she was knocked out really hard, which she drugged. She also said that when she woke up, she saw her father holding Kayley. She was already dead. She had drowned and he was screaming at her. This is all your fault. And that was the last time she saw her daughter. Then she also went on to claim that her father had been molesting her since she was eight

years old, early, vaginally, and everything. The abuse lasted until she was in her early teens, and her dad wasn't the only one. She also claimed that her brother was molesting her. So this was alarming for other psychiatrists because when she was initially arrested and she had been evaluated, she confidently denied any and all sexual abuse trauma. Kasey took it a step further and claimed that she slept with Kaylee because she wanted to protect her daughter from her own father. We what?

So Kayce is saying, oh, I slept with Kaylee in my room because I don't want my dad to do anything. Kayce also believed that her father drowned Kaylee on purpose, maybe even drowned her while he molested her in fear that she was going to tell someone. I mean, there's no evidence that George ever molested Kayce or Kaylee, and it's just something that she told her psychiatrist at a very convenient time coming from someone who is a compulsive liar. She also said that she worried that her father was the biological father of Kaylee. The FBI ran DNA test and he was not.

Kasey would add new details to this new truth about how, you know, when George walked in with Kaylee, his upper body was wet, but his lower body was not indicating that he had drowned her, how he had changed Kaylee's clothes, she usually slept in a night gown, but now she was wearing shorts and a t-shirt, so obviously I changed her clothes, why would he change her clothes? And then they asked her, well what about the next 31 days? If this was the truth, why didn't you report your father? Well, I felt like I was in a days in a fuck. My dad would just randomly tell me that Kaylee was fine, and I didn't have a clear memory

of what happened that day or what I did And I just I just know that I'm not a party girl And by the way the bella Vita tattoo that I got during that time period I mean it was supposed to be ironic. You know what irony is because my life is not beautiful So then once the FBI realized that George was not the father of Kaylee Kaycey changed her story and said Well, I'm not a party girl, but the one party that I did go to, I was date-ripped and I was ruffied and I don't remember who the father is and I blacked out.

These things do happen and I don't know if this is how Kaylee was conceived, but I mean, I just think that she's doing this to her father is something else. The prosecutors told the Anthony's of what Kayce was accusing them of doing prior to the trial starting. I mean, Jeff was hoping that this was going to push the parents to his side. Cindy was pissed. George looked devastated, but they still stood by Casey. George would even talk to Jeff one more time before the trial, and he said, I just know that Casey had something to do with Kaylee. I just know that. George also said, this case has been about Casey for far too long

and not enough about Kaylee. And anytime the prosecutors would actually talk to George about Kaylee, his eyes would lit up. And he just missed her. He missed talking about his granddaughter. He felt like Kaylee was being forgotten. And it's all made even sadder by the fact that George attempted suicide.

Remember, it really makes you wonder if he truly ever believed Casey was innocent. So the trial started and Casey's defense just went in on George. Just non-stop allegations of sexual abuse. At one point Casey's lawyer even said, follow the duct tape and I'll show you who put Casey's remains where they were found. The duct tape was found in Georgia's shed. So he's implying that it was George and not Casey.

It's not like Casey didn't have access to it or didn't break in all the time. George was also one of the first people to take the stand. When he talked about Kaylee, he sounded like this proud grandpa, he sounded devastated when he talked about never being able to see her again. He also adamantly denied any allegations of sexual abuse. Meanwhile, Casey would just stare at him, roll her eyes and shake her head. And then the defense brought in Crystal Holloway, the supposed mistress of George. She said that she meant George while she was volunteering to search for his granddaughter and

they started a full blown affair. It stopped before his suicide attempt and she said that George told me that Kayley's death was an accident that spiraled out of control. Now it's argued whether or not this affair took place because Crystal had a reason to lie. She sold the story for $4,000. Meanwhile, George had a reason to lie too because I mean, you know, cheating on your wife during this type of time is not really a good look to say the least. And there was a text message from George to Crystal and it said, just thinking about you, I need you in my life. George argued that he said yes I sent that but I also sent that to a lot of volunteers because I needed every volunteer in my life at the time. So it's just kind of, you know, maybe it's true to a degree, maybe they did have an affair, maybe it was an emotional affair,

but maybe he didn't tell her that, I don't know, right? But is that the only text or... Yeah, that was about the only text that I could find it's later said that George had a theory on what happened to Kayleigh He thought Zanny the nanny was a nanny. Do you guys know Zannex? A lot of people call it Zanny a Zanny a Zannex and he thought that every time Casey went out partying or went out She would just drug Kayleigh with Zannex to make her sleepy and she might even joke around oh Xani the nanny is watching her What oh my god and it's speculated that Casey had accidentally or even purposely given her too much causing her to die

That makes sense. Yeah, this is like the one theory. I'm like that makes total sense and also This is an elected theory, but I do think that, in my opinion, that means nothing because I never met these people. Casey does seem like the type to be like, Zanny the Nanny and think it's hilarious. Yeah. But also, even if your Nanny's name was Zanny, why would you ever say Zanny the Nanny? Like, it's not fun.

Yeah. You would just say, oh, Zanny's watching her. Exactly, yeah. So this makes a lot of sense for me. Cindy went on to the stand and she just pretty much went all in for her daughter. I wonder what she was thinking. Did she think that really Casey is innocent or did she think, well, Kaylee's gone, I might as well try to save my daughter? I don't know. Cindy claimed that the chloroform search on the family computer had been her.

She said that she was worried that her dog became sick and there was chloroform in the bamboo she was feeding him, so she googled it, which she really meant was chlorophyll. She wanted to google chlorophyll, but her brain said chloroform. It's kind of ridiculous. But she was at work. Yeah. But she said, I never typed the words how to make chloroform. I mean, it would be brought up that again, Cindy was clocked in at work when those searches

were made in the computer, so it couldn't have been her. There were also zero searches on the family computer for any chlorophyll ever Now just to side note, I think this is where the prosecutors really messed up They were going in for the death penalty and the jury took less than 11 hours to reach a verdict murder in the first degree not guilty Aggravated manslaughter. Not guilty. Aggravated child abuse. Not guilty.

Four counts of lying to the police. Guilty. She got a four year sentence and a $4,000 fine. No way. The prison time was canceled out nearly to the three years that she spent in prison waiting for the trial. And she got credit for good behavior. The prosecutor was devastated. I mean, he understood, though, because, you know, there were a lot of theories that they

had, but nothing that they could say in court definitively to prove that Kasey had done something. I mean, how does Kasey go from searching up chloroform in March to killing Kaylee in June? That's like a big gap. They were not able to convince that jury. They were also heavily criticized for seeking the death penalty, and that might be the reason that the jury didn't dish out a guilty verdict. It just wasn't strong enough, legally speaking, for a death penalty case. A few months after the trial, Georgians Indy appeared on an episode of Dr. Phil.

Cindy was still in denial. Georgia was just really sad. The public was so outraged many variations of law came into a place in many states so it was unofficially called Kaylee's law so it was to strengthen the legal accountability of caretakers who failed to report a missing child. Because 31 days, Florida even passed a law that elevated crime of false statements to law enforcement from a misdemeanor to a felony. So under the new law, Casey would have faced 20 years in prison, five years for each count instead of the four years in total that she got. And then Casey got sued.

One of them by Zanada Fernandez Gonzales. We don't know the outcome, but it seems like she was ordered to pay a monetary compensation. And then there were rumors that Casey was trying to profit from her story by selling the stories to the highest bidder. TMZ had even captured photos of her recently released from prison, and it speculated that those were staged and sold to TMZ. Then in 2012, Casey started doing some like vlog,

because I guess talking about her life post trial and how happy she was, and she never really acknowledged as Kaylee's death or people protesting against her. There were a lot of groups popping up called Justice for Kaylee. And then a new frightening revelation. Casey had adopted a dog. And on top of that, it's alleged that Casey was going to fire Jose, her attorney who got her out of prison because he was unable to get her a lucrative book deal for a book or the first interview after trial.

She wanted a lot of money for that. Which is wild because there's another allegation about the two of them, which this is just an allegation, speculation, and a theory, and not factual at all. KC allegedly was paying her attorney in sex because she didn't have the money to pay him. I mean, again, this is a legit, but it's said that she was seen in his office completely naked. Another wild rumor was that she was living in the same area as Patrick McKenna, who is an attorney famous for defending O.J. Simpson. Now, again, this is a rumor, but it's said that he helped her with some business ventures and maybe they too had some sort of relations. And now, Casey is back to parting. She said she feels like she's done her

penance. She is ready to date and party and get out there. A source said that Casey is open to the idea of having more kids. They said, and I quote, for a long time, she was like, no way. But time has changed that, and she's now open to it the way she hasn't been before. May 2021, a male juror came out to talk about his decision to acquit Casey Anthony, and he said it still impacted him 10 years later. He said, if I were able to do it all over again, I would push harder to convict her of one of the lesser charges, like aggravated manslaughter.

At least that, or child abuse. I didn't know what the hell I was doing at that time, and I didn't stand up for what I believed in. And then in May of 2021, Kasey called the police to a bar. A woman named Thelma, who was her like mortal enemy, they had dated the same guy at the same time, so they were sworn enemies, had gotten into a fight at the bar and Thelma drew a drink at Casey. Casey called the cops.

People could not help but see the irony. Considering she never called the police for her missing baby but she did because someone threw a drink at her at a club. Casey also launched a private investigative firm in Florida. A source said, she knows what it's like to be accused of something that she didn't do. She just wants to help other wrongfully accused people, especially women, to help them get justice.

Kasey herself said, one of the reasons I'm so good at my job is because I take everything that the state tried to use against me, like my Facebook and the pictures and all that stuff that they distorted, and now I go through and research people's backgrounds and put everything together in a good way. Thankfully, the PI business failed. And now she's writing a book about our life. She did one interview where she was asked about what she thinks Kayley would be like now and she said, well, she'd be like 12 years old now and a total badass. I think she'd be listening to classic rock playing sports and not taking shit from anybody. She also reiterates that her dad is the one that was last seen with Kaylee, and that it

was him who did all of this. When she was asked about why she liked the cops, she said, people like to the cops every day. Cops like to people every day. I'm just one of the unfortunate idiots who admitted that they lied. I only lied about stuff that I didn't know, and you know, that's it. Makes sense. Most people don't know that they're not employed at Universal Studios.

In fact, I should be getting a check from them right now. They didn't pay me last week. She also says, I don't give a fuck about what anybody thinks about me, I'm okay with myself and I sleep pretty good at night. And now after this episode, none of us will be sleeping well tonight at all. And we hope you don't either, Kasey. And that's it for today's mini-sode. I hope you guys enjoyed, let me know your thoughts, and I will see you guys on Wednesday for the main episode. Bye!