Rotten Mango - 2 Teen Girls Planned to Slit Classmate’s Throat and Drink His Blood to Resurrect a Mass Killer

Episode Date: May 31, 2026

After being yanked out of class and arrested on their high school campus, 15 year old Isabelle Valdez and 14 year old Lois Lippert are thrown into the back of a cop car. For 30 minutes the girls are caught on the car’s dash cam giggling and completely unbothered.   At one point, Isabelle looks at her best friend, “Oh you trying to look good for your mugshot?” Lois excitedly responds, “Oh shit, am I going to get a mugshot?...This is such a bonding experience, I love it.”   The girls are basically acting like they’re going to be able to go home at the end of their “side quest.” After all, the police arrested them before they could even carry out their plan to murder a classmate, right?   Isabelle even comments that their plan was, “not a school shooting at least.” Lois agrees saying, “we’d be in prison for life.”   It’s true, the girls weren’t planning a school shooting. Instead, they were planning to stab and murder a classmate in a ritual they thought would resurrect an infamous elementary school mass killer back from the dead.           Full show notes available at RottenMangoPodcast.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Badda being, baddaboo. This is the audio podcast part two for the Isabel Valdez and Lois Lippert case, where a 15-year-old girl Isabel Valdez and 14-year-old Lois Lippert were planning on killing a 15-year-old boy in their school in one of the school bathrooms after second period. We've been calling him John, though his identity has been concealed by the police. They wanted to kill him in the bathroom so that they could resurrect Adam Lanzah, who happens to be the Sandy Hook shooter, who cowardly self-exited after killing 26 people, 27, if you include his own mom that day. So they decide that they're going to drag this little innocent kid.

This is not a, this 15-year-old boy is not someone that they've had altercations with. It's not someone that they've been fighting with, which would not even be any sort of justification or reasoning. But it is completely based off the fact that Isabel Valdez, who is obsessed with Adam Lanza, believes that Adam Lanza is her soul. oldmate thinks that this boy looks like Adam Lanzah. That's really the only reason. They plot this whole murder. They go and tell their friends Thursday night. By Friday morning, one of those friends has done the very courageous act of submitting an anonymous tip to fortify Florida, which then alerts the school administration as well as the police of what's going to happen in the school bathroom that day. The police show up. They arrest Isabel Valdez, who very quickly just confesses to everything,

the fact that she heard Adam Lanz's voice in her head, that she wants to be reunited with him, she wants to resurrect him from the dead. He is her soulmate and Lois Lippert. They both get arrested and the police do the very smart thing of placing them both in the back of a police car, the same police car. I personally think that they drove, they took the scenic route to get to the police station because for the next 30 minutes in the back of this police car, the two girls, they say things that can never be unsaid.

They squeeze the toothpaste out the tube. the defense attorneys will never be able to put it back in. It's damning, it's bad, and this is part two. Inside Isabel Valdez's backpack, along with the knife, the rag, the trash bags, the gloves, the Clorox wipes, there's a little note left behind, and it reads, Dear Mama and Papa, I'm sorry for what I'm going to do. Hopefully you will find this paper. I want you guys to know that none of it is your fault.

Or anyone else is in that matter. I chose to do this myself for myself and Adam Lanzah. They told me that Adam would come back to speak with me if I did this for him. Adam Lanzah wanted it. I think it's a fair and beautiful sense of devotion on my behalf. I love Adam Lanzah. We're soulmates, just waiting to be reunited once more. I want you guys to know that you were the most perfect parents ever.

I'm sorry I could not be a better child. I've known there's been something wrong with me since I was a little kid. I just never showed it. And I'm sorry. I was never really shy. I just hated people. And I was aware of how disgusting everyone is. Being forced to talk was torture.

These ramblings are very reminiscent of Adam Lanzah. So I'm not entirely sure if this is genuinely how she felt or if this is how she fell into this, like, TCC community and tried to embody this aesthetic of outcast. I never liked humanity. Mankind is doomed. And society has all these values that don't mean any. thing and we're just imposing values upon others and morality is not even objective. Morality just doesn't exist as a concept.

I don't know if she just like listened to the fucking five and a half hour ramblings of Adam Lanzah that are incoherent most of the time and don't make good sense. But I don't know if this is how she truly felt or if this is furthering the aesthetic that she wants to be a part of. She says, I pretended to be a socialite, which is not the word to be used in that context. but to make you guys happy, because I love seeing you guys happy. It was one of the only things that made me happy. Over the years, I've just lost control over myself and my emotions.

Whenever I told someone I hated you guys, it was a pure lie. I'm sorry for ever hurting you, and I deserve what's coming for me, as I am also disgusting, cruel, and useless. Again, these are very reminiscent of the Columbine killers and Adam Lanzah. Well, actually, maybe the Columbine killers, they believe themselves to be above humankind. But in perhaps in an attempt to get Isabel to have some remorse, the assistant principal before she's arrested initially asked her, did you consider how your parents or even how John's parents would feel if you went through with this?

They would be sad, but I don't really care. Did you consider the consequences of what happens to you if you go through with this? Jail or psych ward, but it doesn't matter, I was still going to do it. I want to be with Adam Lanzah. She later admits that last night before school she did cry in the shower, but it was, quote, because she wasn't crying because of herself or her actions, but because of how it was going to affect others, you know? But also at the same time, she was thinking, whatever, what's done is done.

That's what she says. Isabel states that she only feels bad for her parents because they've been great and they tried their best. So back in the back of the police car, Isabel and Lois are ranting about how the police were grilling them. Red-haired Lois Lippert, the 14-year-old, right? She's more so the accomplice. So after police came before they were taking. into the police car. They already went through a round of questioning.

Yeah. In the school. Oh, yeah. And then as they're walking out, both handcuffed together, they're like, hey, best friend. From school to the police car? Yeah. Yeah. I think the only time they look a little serious is when Isabel Valdez is being read her charges,

which is attempted murder. When was that? In the school hallway. And she looks a little serious. But not really. She just looks like a little somber. There's a whole tape from the school all the way to the police car. There's like six, seven minutes from inside the school.

there's a few minutes going to the police car and then there's about 40 but 10 minutes of those are after the, so like 36 minutes of them in the, because we did a FOIA request. There's about 36 minutes of them in the car talking, yapping. And they really don't like to sit in silence. So it's like a solid 30 minutes of yapping. And if you're watching the video podcast on YouTube,

I'm actually going to dump the entire body cam footage clip at the end of the episode because I've kind of broken it up into parts. But if you want to see the whole thing in Chronicle, order, it's going to be at the very end. So Isabel and Lois Lippert are sitting in the back. And Lois red hair, 14 year old girl, the accomplice is saying, I told them the important stuff. And then they came back and they were like, I'm getting really pissed off. You're not telling me everything. And I was like, I swear that's all I remember. So I just had to sit there for a few minutes, just trying to remember every fucking thing and every fucking little detail. And I was like, oh,

so there are these images of Adam Lanzah. Isabel Cutson. Dude, I forgot what to say. halfway through my interview. Yeah, that was me for most of my interview. Well, actually, half the interview was just me being silent and not doing anything because I was hoping I could cling on to the, like, you have the right to remain silent. But loki, that didn't work. That didn't really work. Isabel's like, I know, because it's like they're just going to use it against me in court.

Like, hey, why do you have these drives with these little boy? Like hard drives of pictures of this little boy. And then she goes, hey, why do you have a? these drives of these little boy. Saw we. What? Lois is like, he's not a little boy. He's older than you.

No, he's not. Well, oh yeah. Yeah, he's older than you. It's not some little boy. They can't say this little boy. This older boy. This older boy who's abusing me. So now they're giggling and coming up with this idea of trying to say that the victim was abusing

them, which he in no world was. and Isabel finds it funny. She's like, yeah, I think in my dreams he told me he wanted me to kill him. So I think it's only fair. Yeah. Oh my God. I almost laughed and almost peed myself. This becomes a reoccurring theme where Lois keeps saying that she almost peed herself.

So she's like, I almost laughed so hard. I almost peed myself. She's not really laughing in these moments. And I will say, if you watch the clip in its entirety that I'm putting at this end of the video, you just see Lois get filled with more and more regret, like both of them. The energy gets more tense. still joking around and laughing, but I think it's dawning on them very slowly. What's happening?

Very slowly. Yeah, very slowly. Very, very slowly. Yeah. Because it should have dawned on them before they even got into the car. So you said there are two cops in the front. Yes. They can clearly hear it.

Yeah, because they later talk to them. They interject in one of their conversations. Yeah, we're going to get there. Yeah. The cops are clearly hearing this. I personally think that the cops strategically put them in the back of the police guard together so that they could have this conversation. because of course they're...

Yeah, the more the better. Yeah, and then I think they took a longer route because I don't think that it would take 36 minutes for them to get from the school to the local police department. Wow, yeah, that's true. So do you think they just didn't know there's a camera recording in the car? Yeah, I don't think so. And that's why a lot of...

This is where it gets really weird. So there are lots of people in the TCC community. And again, this is not me saying like, oh, I'm part of the TCC community, so I know what they're saying. This is me saying, like, I was diving into the TCC community to see what it's about. And people were saying, oh, they're not real TCCers because they don't know that there's cameras in the back of the police car. But also real TCCers, from what I can tell, they still like to post edits of Adam Lazzania with eccentric Europunk music in the background with rainbow edits because it's so quirky. and their whole thing is like, why does me posting rainbow edits of school shooters, does that make me dangerous?

Um, yeah, Becky, it fucking makes you dangerous. I don't know what else to say. Now, Lois says with a bit of regret in her voice, dude, I should have gotten my diagnosis before this. I've been talking. I've been talking about that being like, yeah, I should go to a psychiatrist or something and actually fucking get diagnosed and shit. I should have gotten it before all this shit happened. And then I would have some sort of thing to clean it up. Isabel's like, dude, I thought I was going to get sent to the psych ward.

That's what I was so excited about everything. Isabel explains to Lois that she just regrets telling the officers everything. I shouldn't have told them all this shit. So I was there and then they were like asking me about the swatting incident. So yeah, she was trying to get people swatted. We're going to get there in a second. And what happened and I started crying because I thought, you know, they were going to feel bad for me and send me to the psych ward. Because I was like, you know, I thought about hurting somebody.

Yeah, I thought about hurting the boy. And then they saw right through my shit. And then they pulled out, you know, the bag from my backpack. I had to tell them everything that was inside. Later, she mentions, dude, I should have told them that. I was going to tell them yesterday. I was going to say, oh, yeah, I'm doing all this stuff because I want to be a police officer. And then she pretends to be the fake imaginary police officer.

She's saying this too. And she's like, no, sorry. She's like, I should have told them that I went to be a police officer. Nope, I'm sorry. Okay. Like this is how they talk. That's the tone in which they talk. Now, there's a lot to complain about in the back of this police car as well.

Lois rants about how cold it was in the room when they were talking to her. It was so cold in that room. I know, dude, they had me sitting there and I was so, dude, they took away my chocolate. Because remember, Isabel is the one that primarily wants to kill John. Isabel had asked Lois, the little artist, to bring chocolate and Dr. Pepper. Okay, Lois brings it, gives it to her. And now Isabel is like, the chocolate you gave me, they took away my chocolate. And Lois goes, no

I was able to like eat a part of it. It was like a part of the big bar but then that was it. Lois is so upset and she's like bro I wanted to come back to second period so I could have nibbled on some of it with you. That was my main goal. Some netizens have found it ironic that the two are friends

because Isabel Valdez is kind of a bigger girl, I guess is how you would describe her. And then Lois Lippert, she had a Twitter account that heavily promotes is pro-ana, pro-ED, engages in quote-unquote fat-spo. Fatspo is basically described as quote, fat-spo is when people with E.Ds use a picture of a person bigger than themselves as inspiration to continue with their eating disorder or not becoming fat like the person in the

picture. So some netizens found it ironic and they made it a big joke of whether or not Lois Lippert used her own friend Isabel Valdez as Fatspo. Essentially everything about this case makes you want to spiral into a depressive state. Just every little rabbit hole leads somewhere worse. But on Lois Lippert's Twitter account, she would post a lot of pro-ana things as well as she would document throwing up in the toilet. And then she would stick her hand in the toilet bowl and play with her throw-up like it was slime and post videos of it. There's also an unverified Tumblr account.

And I cannot tell you if this is real. Okay. But apparently this is Isabel account where she posts, I love being fat. Everyone is significantly smaller than me. And I love small people. I love small boys. I love the thought of beating them up and breaking their bones and then just watching their

body's bruise. I want to touch them all over. I want to see them resist. Probably the first time I felt these, dare I say, erotic pleasures was in or around fifth or sixth grade. I remember in sixth grade, I would go up to people and hug them tightly. I loved feeling them push me away and struggle. I love the way they yelled at me after.

We can't be certain that this is Isabel's account, but it's in tune with the picture of her holding up John, almost like she's about to slam him up against the wall. I don't think that there's any debate that both of these girls are struggling with various mental health issues, but I do think a lot of young girls at that age are. They don't go and try to resurrect a school shooter. These girls, they even giggle, gaggle about what it must have been like for John.

Lois is giggling, imagine being pulled out of class. And yes, some girl was planning on killing you. He's probably going to be like, like, he's got to be told. Like they can't. And Isabel's like, yeah, I wrote him a note. And I was like, I don't feel guilty for my actions, but I feel guilty on how you were going to feel because honestly, I don't fucking care. Wait, she gave him a letter?

She wrote him a note, but I don't think it was, I mean, it was never given to him. Isabel giggles and says, so are we going to become one of those lesbian couples now in jail? Lois looks at her. Yeah, and you could be the butch. And they're giggling. And Isabel's like, yeah. Hey, hey, this is my bitch. Stay away.

Yeah. They're doing that much in 30 minutes? Yeah. And then there's... They don't even catch a break and... No. Think about what's about to happen. No.

And then there's silence. You know, which the lesbian couple love does not last very long. Because when talking with the officers, Isbell already ratted Lois out. Okay. The police officer is even writing in his report. Because usually when you have teenagers and they're best friends and they're trying to commit a crime, I would say that there's maybe,

I want to say, like, three hours in which they might resist ratting each other out. But the police officer writes, Isabel abruptly stated that Lewis helped her sharpen the knife. Isabel is explaining to the officers and the assistant principal that they were in the bathroom trying to sharpen the knife. And according to Isabel, they ran the knife back and forth along the metal pipe in the bathroom.

And then they were trying to use the knife to cut Isabel's shirt to determine if it was sharp enough to do the crime. Lois then attempted to cut her stomach in an effort to see if the knife could cut her skin. Isabel stated that Lois told her that she didn't think the knife was going to be able to cut through because it couldn't cut her stomach. But it's not like Isabel really needs to quote unquote rat out Lois when there's already quite a bit of digital evidence against both of them.

Isabel's plan was to either slit John's throat or stab him in the stomach. There was no getaway plan. Then she was going to smoke a cigarette in the bathroom before going to jail and sprinkle flowers on his body or to his funeral. It's kind of unclear which one. But Isabel, the night before had been messaging Lois over discord saying things like, it's going to be over by tomorrow. If you have some gloves, bring them for me.

Bring latex ones. I'm bringing a trash bag, wipes and some other things. I'm going to go away anyway. I'm incriminating shit on my phone. Holy shit. I'm going to make a blood ritual for Adam Lanza, LMAO. Everyone who paid on my downfall is getting their wish. I hugged my parents extra tight today.

I feel kind of bad for what's coming. He was at fault because he never got redacted to talk to me. If I had him, I wouldn't have been like this. Why? Why? Why, John? Why? Why?

I need to break my hard drive later. Do you have any extra white shirts that I could use? And the two of them are also, Isabel and Lois, are reportedly married on Facebook. What? Yeah, because you know how you can just like marry someone? But that's not the important part. The important part is their anniversary date is April 22nd, 1992, which is an oddly specific date. So I tried to figure it out.

And it's not the date of Sandy Hook or Columbine. It's actually Adam Lance's birthday. But in the back of the police car, Isabella is again, ranting about how the police are treating her like she's this dangerous criminal and she says dude they had me going to the bathroom and i had this lady standing in the stalls and they had like two other people in the stall yeah i mean one of them was standing in the stall the other two were outside waiting you think i'm gonna be able to fucking run away so as bell is making a joke at i guess her physique i got too scared to ask them to go to the bathroom i low-key still have to go so by the way loislipper kind of talks like this the entire time

and isabel turns to her i only went twice because they searched me every time and they made me take off my shoes and my socks off. Yeah, I'm glad I didn't ask them. I don't want to do all that. You can bend over and cough for me? Bend over and cough for you. Is that what they do it? Yeah, they look at your asshole and see if anything comes out.

Isabel complains at how uncomfortable it is to be in the back of the police car and states, dude, I shouldn't have done it in the morning. So now she's saying in the back of this recorded a police car that she should have killed him in the morning and not waited until after a second period because if she had done it in the morning, she would have been able to kill him.

And Lois is like, yeah. Dude, he was right there. I was following behind him. What is happening? Yeah. Isabel also talks about how when they were interviewing her, she kept laughing, even though it's not funny, but quote, they kept on saying six, seven. Oh, I laughed at six seven, dude, because they were talking about my grades and stuff when it first

started. And they were like, yeah, was the sixth or seventh grade? I did the six, seven behind my back. So she's handcuffed and she said she's doing six, seven. This is like, I don't even know what is happening. Yeah. Lois finds this so funny And she says stop making me laugh

Lois explains later that she did mention to one of her friends That Isabel might try to do something on Friday Which is vague and she reassures Isabel She's probably thinking that you're gonna self-exit Oh, that's stupid, I'm not self-exiting Then in a voice that would indicate Maybe it's from a meme or something But she says, killing yourself is for our words

She says the R-word I'm not a stupid R-word that gives up Please, I am R-worded though Fuck. Lois tries to comfort her. Not a stupid R word though. Aw, thanks. One of the most damning pieces of evidence against Isabel is a journal entry that's written in the style of a bad movie plot where the killer fesses up to the murder, hides the note for it to be found by the main character at the end in the bottom of the underwear drawer. And it reads, it was just like any other normal day. I swear nothing seemed off until I remembered him. Oh, John, how much I loved you. Today was finally the day. You're so worth it. We were leaving second period. I grabbed him. I don't know what happened. But I just started talking.

Oh, you're so beautiful. The cutest boy around. I loved him dearly. I would ruin my life for him, and that is very much what I was doing. I was able to get my hands on some chloroform, which is not true. It knocked him out cold.

It was absolutely perfect. I was already in the bathroom with him. He hadn't woken up yet, so I was just waiting. He was so small, so precious. I'd been waiting for this for a long time. Slowly he woke up. I saw those beautiful eyes I much adored. Finally, up close. He was absolutely perfection. Hi, sweetheart, I said without thinking. He looked extremely disturbed. I don't blame him. Who wouldn't?

L-O-L.L. He didn't speak. Just looked in terror. I pulled the knife out of my bag and held it to his throat. I saw the fear. I saw his breath hitch. It gave me more adrenaline. And she spells adrenaline. A-D-R-E-N-A-L-Y-N. Adrenaline. I pulled my phone out. I pulled my phone out. I was. I saw the breath-houndal-I-E-E-R-E-R-E-R-E-N. I pulled my phone out. I. I and started recording him. Can you smile for the camera? I held the knife closer to his throat. I watched as he forced himself to smile just for me. And that is where she ends this weird, bizarre note. It's presented as if she wrote it after the fact in this dramatized narrative form.

Right, and the cop found it. It's like fanfic. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the police found it and locked it. Yeah, and they're like, okay, well, you wrote this note. You wrote one to your parents detailing your exact motive, so. And you had a lot of the supplies that you're talking about. Yeah.

So what is Lois' whole thing? Like, what's her motive? Does she have a motive? Does she even care? What is she doing there? I think she doesn't care. I mean, I think she clearly is dealing with lots of mental health issues.

And I'm not saying that as some sort of excuse because, yes, so did I at 14. She seems more like the follower, though I don't really like to give those labels. But it's, Isabel is the one with the plan. I think if anything may be like, Lois thought it would be cool that she would go down in notoriety, or maybe she thought that Isabel would never go through with it. But if Lois was the one to be like, oh, well, you can't do that, then maybe she wouldn't be seen as cool by her TCC community. And again, this is not to diminish any of the impact that Lois Lippert had. It seems as if Isabel is the one more so spearheading this.

She's the one with a very strong reasoning of why she felt she wanted to kill John. But I think it's also just as disgusting that Lois is like, oh, I'm doing it for the thrill and for the fun, and like maybe I'll be known in the TCC community. Regardless, despicable. And I think one of the reasons that the investigators move so fast on this tip was, well, it was their job. They had to. But also, they've had problems with Isabel prior to this. In fact, the police were at Isabel's house Thursday night for something else. The night before? Yeah, the night before. Yeah, the night before. Okay. So the night before the police go to Isabel Valdez's house because she'd been trying to do these like swatting calls on people. There was like three different swatting incidents. I think she was trying to swat the school or

swat an individual at the school. It's a little bit unclear because they're all minors, but there's swatting incidents. Just know that. She's like trying to get someone swatted. They come, they grab her phone. Now Thursday night, they go back to her house and they're like, hey, we have your phone. We could do, like, we could get a warrant and there's like so much paperwork or you could just sign this consent form. Let us go through your phone. So they sign the consent form. The police. police leave Thursday night. Uh-huh. They get a tip in early hours of Friday morning and it's like the last few sentences or, oh,

I think their name is Isabel. So after the police took her phone, she's on Discord messaging. On her computer, yes. On her computer messaging her friend saying, I'm going to do this now. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. Yeah. She felt like she was already going to go away for the swatting incident.

So she might as well do it now. Now is the only time that she can do this. Lois even mentioned to her that she's. anxious planning and maybe she shouldn't go through with it, but Isabel was like, no, I'm going to go through with it. And she even tells another friend about it Thursday night. I think she told, maybe it was just one, could have been more, but that one person does end up sending in that anonymous tip. I mean, that tip really saved John's life. Yeah. No, John's mom has done an interview where she said the person, I mean, she knows who made the tip and she spoke into that child and she says the child is her

hero. Now, Isabel tells Lois in the car in the back of the police car. I did write a note to my parents. Did you write one to your parents? Lois is like, no. You should have. They said I'm going to be able to contact my parents and I get there. Me too. I haven't talked to my parents yet. I don't know if my parents even know what's going on. They don't. They haven't contacted mine either. My mom's going to be yelling at me through the phone. Like, what are you going to do? Why are you trying to kill this fucking kid? Lois is like, I think my mom's going to be okay. I loki. I Loki think she's probably going to fuck with it. When they asked me, like, do you really want to lie?

Would your parents really want you to lie for Jimmy? Yeah, they would. Yeah. And then remember earlier in the car ride while they were role-playing Columbine, Isabel looked out the window, gets distracted by the building, and she says, hey, my sister goes to therapy there. Then she starts going on this, like, very bizarre trauma dump, where she says, my mom's going to see the police car,

and she's going to be like, damn. And then when I call her, I'm going to be like, hey, mama, that was me in the police car. You see me? And she says, you and my mom was telling me about this morning because she was talking about somebody. And then she was like, oh, yeah, this girl I know, she got criminal charges because she hid somebody and drove away with her car. And she was like, don't get any criminal charges because that messes with your record. I'm sorry, Mama.

Lois is like, I might get criminal charges, I guess. Which is like, it's okay. We get them together. Okay, yeah. Honestly, we're probably going to get a minimum of, what, four years or so? And this is when Lois starts to get disgruntled. because Lois is the accomplice, right? So she's like, I'm not getting four years.

Yes, you are. You helped. I'm not doing that. Hey, by the time we're going to be out, we could probably go to community college together. Yeah, I'm not going to go away for that long. Lowell keep probably a good thing you didn't actually end up doing anything because imagine I actually did a like, you know.

So it seems like Lois is very disgruntled about the idea of getting that many years. Later, the topic is approached again when Isabel says, My family isn't probably even going to visit me. Man, I don't even fucking care. I'll visit you. Isabel's confused. Huh? I'll visit you.

Huh? I'll visit you when I'm out. Before you. Shut up. You're not getting out before me. How would I get a longer sentence than you? It's redacted, but contextually it feels like Isabel is bringing up the fact that Lois helped sharpen the knife and maybe they told somebody, I don't know. But Isabella is like, dude, they said that they were going to take photos in the bathroom as evidence, dude.

Like, I don't know. what they're going to fucking take, though. Like it was the metal pipe. What are they supposed to take there? Wait, so do we know how many years they are possibly facing? Oh, yeah, like 20. For both? Yeah.

They're treated the same? Yeah, I mean, it's attempted murder, yeah. So they both got the same charges. Yeah. For, are they tried as adults. They're tried as adults. Yes. And they were denied bond or bail, yeah.

So this conversation was released. What about like any interrogation, any more police? Not yet. I think that will probably be released later because technically it's an open investigation. So it'll probably come out during the trial. And then if you were to FOIA request it, you'd probably get all of that after the investigation. But they released this? Yes.

Yes. Yes. Because they showed it to the judge. Oh. Yes. Yes. This whole police tape was shown to the judge to be like, you cannot let them out on bail. And that's why it's allowed to be released to the public.

Interesting. I guess I'm really curious. to know when is the moment that they realize. And when they truly flip on each other. Yeah, or truly realize. I wonder if it's going to happen anytime soon. It already seems like it because when they were in the court hearing, they are supposed to be separated.

They're not supposed to have any contact with each other. The judge has already stated that. However, they won't even, like, look at each other. And maybe they won't look at each other because their attorneys were like, don't fucking look at each other. Or they don't like each other. Yeah. Which I would imagine, because these are very flea.

limsy friendships that they've formed on the basis of what they're both dumb and idiotic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And when they're talking about how at least they're not school shooters, because that would get them life in prison, Isabel asks Lois, almost nervously, well, how long am I going to get? I'm not going to get much time. And again, later, Lois brings it up again. And I think Isabel doesn't like these mentions because Lois mentioned, I'm probably not going to like, my involvement is not that long.

So I'll be out before you. I'm probably not going to get life in jail because my parents are going to give me the best lawyers they can. And the police finally interject. And they ask. This is the first time they jumped in? Young lady, what's your name? Which one? I'm guessing he points because Isabel responds.

Isabel Valdez, she spells her name. And yours, young lady, Lois Lippert. And it's very clear the officers are listening to everything. And I also think that asking for their names was a good idea. I don't know if it would fly in court, but it's a good. idea in the sense of these kids can't later say, oh, I was in a fucking state of psychosis. This was like shared psychosis. We're losing our minds.

It's like, tell me your name. Tell me your date of birth. Okay. You're clearly in somewhat of a right state of mind because the types of things they were saying, maybe a defense attorney would later say, yeah, they were role playing Columbine. They were in a state of psychosis. Yeah, yeah. And the fact that in the middle of the conversation, he decided to ask for their name when he

already has their name. Of course. They're in the back of the police court. They've been arrested. Yeah. He knows their names. Yeah. Whoa.

So I think everything is very intentional at this point. And it's very clear he's listening to everything. Because at one point, Isabel, later, later on, Isbel is talking in depth about, I kind of need to fart. Lois is like, please don't. Dude, I just keep needing to take a shit over there. And I was so embarrassed because they kept on coming into the stall with me. And when I sat down, I felt like I had a shit. And I felt like it was going to come out because I had diarrhea.

And I still have it. And then it's silence. And the officer butts in, don't mess up my. seat please you'll be out here cleaning it up oh no thank you so isbel's like okay i'm not going to diarrhea oh no thank you dude i used to have to clean this is isabel i used to have to clean up my sibling shit because my mom would be sleeping and my sister would literally take off her diaper and she would put it all over her bed oh dude i think there was like a year or two that she was like my mom was cooking or while she was doing something she would take her diaper off and she would

pee on her bed she would literally spread her legs open on her bed and pee oh your siblings are wild in. I know. My brother keeps on humping everything now. My mom tells him to stop and he just keeps on doing it. And then he goes, he goes into my closet because I sleep with my sister. I think I told you, right? He goes into my closet and he puts on my sister's bathing suit. So I don't know. I think this seems like the point where some people feel there might be a lot more going on in Isabel's life, clearly, because both the girls seem to be struggling a lot mentally. Again, not that it's justification for anything, but these are very specific stories she's sharing. Then later, Lois mentions that she has to pee so bad, to which Isabel tells her that the police officers

aren't going to let her use the restroom when they get to the police station, to which Lois is like, dude, I have to go to the bathroom. I'm going to piss myself. They have to clean that up. And Isabel says, um, my mouth is right here. There's a lot of overtly sexual comments being made. Lois later again mentions, I did not expect them to let them. us go into the same car and shit. Can't complain. Yeah, I'm not complaining at all. So much better than having to stare off into the distance and think of all your regrets. And then Lois says, I'm actually gonna piss myself. I can't laugh anymore. Yuck. It's bad. I've been holding it in for like an hour. You've been horny for an hour? No, I'm, oh, is it because I'm here? Later, Lois is complaining about how

her strap keeps hanging off her shoulder and Isabel offers, I'll pull it up with my teeth. Just their entire demeanor in the car is, I mean, it's going to be a defense attorney's nightmare. At one point, both of them are talking about how the comfort level of this car ride compares to the last time they were in a police car. It's like they're giving it Uber car ride ratings. Isabel says, dude last time, they didn't even put me in handcuffs. They just stuck me. They let me take my stuff too.

I was able to take some of my little ponies, my plush, and my phone. But then they took my phone away. They took all my stuff away because they were like, you can't have this in here. So I was like, okay, whatever. They were both charged with attempted murder and possessing a weapon on school property, and they will both be tried as adults. During their court hearing, they don't nearly look as giggly or as quirky as they did in the back of the police car. They were both present but separated during the hearing.

Their parents were there. Lois's parents pleaded with the judge that if Lois is released out on bail, she would not be able to have any access to her electronics. She will be closely monitored. The prosecutors argue... So did the parents get Lois the best attorney that she... claim that they're going to get her? Does not seem like it.

I think probably the best that they could, but I don't think Lois's parents are pulling in Brian Steele, you know, like I don't think they're. Yeah. Yeah. But they aren't in the same jail? Yes. Interesting.

So they can talk to each other freely. No, they cannot. Oh, they cannot. Yeah, they're not allowed to be near each other. They're not allowed to communicate with one another. I see. Now, the prosecutors argue that the young ladies exhibit callous nature, sociopathic attitudes. They say that the concept of murdering another person to resurrect a school shooter is unfathomable.

And they show the judge the police car footage to argue that they cannot be released out on bail. The judge states that their clear lack of remorse proved that they were a danger to society. She says, I don't think there's anything I could do that would keep the community safe. And it's clearly a dangerous crime. All the elements, I think, have been met. in the video that I watched, they thought this was cute. I don't want her on the internet talking to other young folks about this. It's too dangerous.

And so for that reason, I think that there's a real risk to the community that I just can't fix. And both of them were denied bail. Yeah, I mean. Yeah, they would probably go back on Tumblr and Twitter and say a bunch of shit. Yeah. The 15-year-old boy's mother has done an interview, and she's asked, you know, to know the allegations of the two girls plotting, the allegations of them wanting to hurt and kill your baby, your son as a mom, you know, she says, yeah, I was destroyed.

I still am. It's never going to be the same. It's very hard. I've broken down a lot. I still break down at work. By the way, she works at the school. So, yeah. She says, I still haven't been sleeping well.

I haven't been eating and I've been waking up on alert, high alert, like two, three times a night. As for her son, she says, he's so brave. He's so brave and smart and talented. And the hero of the story is the test. tipster and that person is the hero of my life and I've told them that. If the tipster hadn't made that notification, do you think your son would still be alive? I think that we would, I think it would be in a very, no.

To make matters worse, like I said, she works in that school and she walks by the school bathroom where Isabel and Lois allegedly planned on killing her son every day. Isabel has since written a letter to the judge, which reads, Dear Judge Chase, first of all, I want to say that I'm very remorseful for my actions, being away from everything isolated from people the internet just everything changed my perspective on life growing up i was exposed to the internet at a very young age and all of that was bad that stemmed from it the internet made me a horrible horrible person i was groomed and assaulted multiple times growing up by people my own age and people older than me i've always denied anything happening because i've always felt like expressing this tiny one

made me weak sometimes i still do my own parents don't even know about it i was also bullied growing up very severely that i had been wanting to self-exit since I was seven. I never expressed this feeling because I felt like others would not take me seriously since I was so young. I spoke out on the bullying, but no one paid attention to whatever I said. Even if my parents spoke out, my parents and my family tried to help me growing up, but I never accepted it for some reason. I don't know why, but I always thought that they were against me.

I wanted help, but I wouldn't accept it when it came. Later on, this just changed into thoughts of, quote, I could never be loved. My parents tried their hardest, and they wanted to give me a better life than they ever had. They're still trying their hardest, trying to get me home. Around the age of 10, I found joy in hurting those that hurt me, which I don't anymore. And around 12, I just enjoyed hurting others. But around 12, I fell into a very, very deep depression. She talks about how in 24 she was getting better because she was placed on a psychiatric hold. And then in 2025,

and quote, around the same time, I had met Lois Lippert, my co-defendant, and we both got worse together. I ask and pray that you have sympathy and compassion on her. In 20, 2022, 2023, I joined this group called TCC, which also had affected me greatly. This group, they all promoted violence. I felt seen there, but in reality it was deteriorating me. I got groomed in this community. She explains that she joked around about killing John with Lois, but later, because they were both in such bad mental states, they thought it was okay. Now, to explain about John, I used to like him a lot because he reminded me of a shooter I liked, which I no longer do.

I have multiple forms of anxiety, so I never spoke to him in fear of getting him. rejected. So I started following him around, which I'm deeply sorry about now. When I was detained, I started acting recklessly and edgy. I made everything worse than it was because I wanted help. I wanted to paint myself as more insane so I could be sent to someplace where I could get help, but obviously it didn't work. As I've been here, I've been thinking about my life and my choices, and please ask you to please have sympathy on me for I want to change and I'm changing as a person. I'm not the same girl I was three months ago. I think it's a very conflicting feeling. because a lot of netizens feel that at 15,

you definitely know better. I mean, I think a lot of us can think back to when we were 15 and none of us had any sort of glorification of school shooters, wanting to resurrect somebody from the dead, let alone Adam Lanzah of all people, and then trying to kill a classmate, bringing a knife to school. Like, these are all very extreme thoughts.

But I guess people are open to perhaps listening to Isabel's life story, but they also don't think that that's any excuse. It's just a way to understand her actions and hopefully prevent other kids from going through the same experiences and acting out in the same way. And I don't mean to say acting out to diminish the gravity of what they were planning on doing. But you get what I'm saying. Yeah. I mean, honestly, the tipster also saved their life. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. And I do think that some netizens have an annoyance with this. And the letter in general and any sympathy. towards the two girls because it's almost become this weird thing where people in the TCC community think that being bullied is an excuse to kill people. Like it gives you sympathy points.

And it's like, do you know how many people have been bullied growing up? It doesn't give you the right to make grave quote unquote mistakes in the form of taking someone else's life. So it's like, yes, okay, maybe she had a rough life, but she was also planning on killing an innocent classmate who did nothing wrong, not that even that would warrant anything, but just because he looked like someone that she idolizes, that is a vile person to begin with. So I think that there's this pushback of people being like, no, you know, I was bullied. I'm not fucking going around trying to resurrect people. That is where the case is right now with netizens commenting, what the

fuck, how did they even come up with this? Others are commenting, the conversation in the back of the car so casual? Others are saying they're laughing as a defense mechanism for being arrested. They're coping with it by laughing it off. It's likely how they respond to any other situation in which they're caught for doing anything else that's wrong or when they're being laughed at themselves or being excluded, humiliated, bullied, whatever. As a teacher, I recognize the same behavior in students who know that they're going to bomb a test or don't do their homework or otherwise get called out. They'll announce it loudly like, man, I'm about to fail. This test so bad. Or something like that. It's all about saving face and the behavior becomes so ingrained that it becomes the default.

They can't be seen to ever take anything seriously about anything that others take seriously because it's the only way for them to win in so many situations that they repeatedly lose. I don't say this as an excuse for them, but yeah, I totally recognize those laughs. And others say, they always laugh when they first get caught, but then they cry when the guilty verdict is read out. Others are just commenting, yeah, these kids definitely grew up on Discord. Others are saying, you dropped your crown queen and it's just like a dumpster lid. Always the weird looking ones. These are comments.

Anyone who works in, near, or is friends with someone in schools understands this is not shocking. And about her Sandy Hook obsession, one person writes, what a weird obsession? I mean, you could have done something productive with your passion like volunteer to help those affected by gun violence, but instead you did this. Shame on you. Others are upset about fox fever saying, I refuse to believe she's fox fever. I love their arts so much. One, yeah. She's famous.

In the community that loves Zero Day. Then another comment states, she suffered from extreme mental illnesses. All the adults in her life failed her. She had a Twitter account dedicated to having an ED where she would post pictures of her throwing up into the toilet bowl after. Like, I feel bad. Others say, I'm not even mad. I'm sad. These girls need help badly.

How did they even get to this point mentally without someone intervening is heartbreaking? Heartbreak emoji? You can tell they have no idea the big picture of what they just did. Others are on the complete opposite side, writing death penalty to these ugly weirdos, which is a bit extreme. Another one writes, they're teenagers, their brains aren't fully formed, and they'll just go along with just about anything to fit in. My guess is one of them had deep-seated issues and mostly pushed the idea forward, and the other one has issues of our own, but just mainly went along with it. To which someone responds, okay, but they still sound way less sane than most teenagers. But also, there's just really alarming comments, like about the girls who wanted to kill.

that boy to revive Adam. If I saw a dude who looked just like Adam, I'd want to date him. Like, no need to kill him, for real. So that is where I leave you with this case. I will let you know if there's any updates with any of the future court hearings and the pending trial if they plead not guilty. So, or if they're not going to get a plea deal. What are your thoughts on this case? Yeah, let me know in the comments. Stay safe and I'll see you in the next one.