Rotten Mango - #31- The Mysterious Slumber Party Death - Death of Tamla Horsford

Episode Date: January 7, 2021

A slumber party filled with responsible football moms whose kids all play football together... when they wake up one of them is dead in the backyard.  When the police start investigating things start getting weirder... A woman tries to bribe the police with Dunkin Donuts gift cards (yes, you read that right). A boyfriend in law enforcement kept accessing Tamla's investigation file unlawfully.  And that's just the tip of this murky, confusing, mysterious iceberg of a case.  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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I've got feelings, I've got emotions, I've got a lot of anger in today's episode. Hello, welcome to this week's episode of Rotten Mango. And this one is gonna be the biggest juicy ever. This one, I would probably say that this is one of my longer, just confusing research that I've done. Like, I tried to read through. I want to say hundreds of pages of court documents and transcripts. And now I am here where my brain is mushy. My brain is like how the fork did this happen? How the fork did people think that this was acceptable? How was it okay? There are layers to this shit, okay? So I feel like the first layer that everyone knows about this case is like, oh, okay?

Like it deals with race and it deals with the police and it deals with all of these things That is just the tip of the iceberg. Let me tell you when it gets freaking marbles I am talking about there is a woman there is a woman out there who is alive and a free woman who did us try to bribe police officers with Dunkin' Donuts gift cards, I'm not even getting, I'm not even getting, and it's in official transcripts. They're in a, oh my gosh, I'm so upset. Did it work? Yeah.

Look at where we are here now, yeah, that Yeah, that's the state of America for you. Just some, got some Dunkin' Donuts. Listen, when you are driving around anywhere, you don't have to have anything on you. Just have them Dunkin' Donuts. Give cards like that. It's not a joke. Sorry, that is, wait, no, that is a joke, but like, you know, I'm kidding. This case, wow.

Okay, this is the case of Tom LaHorse Ford. And this has been highly requested. And I have been keeping my eye on this case for a really long time and I just I felt like I was always missing something. Every time I would go back to the transcripts every time I would go back to the court documents, I'd be like, okay, there's no way that it's this confusing. Like there's no, like it might just bad at comprehending things like I just don't understand and the more I realize it's um, no, the whole case is just confusing, it doesn make sense it's a doozy so in order to really

understand this case this takes place in the great state of Georgia now this took place in 2018 and if you guys don't know I was born and raised in Georgia and this actually took place and it's called Forsythe County Forsythe County yeah so it's coming Georgia which is about 45 minutes drive from Atlanta growing up in Georgia. This is how I look at it. Okay, so Atlanta is where it's kind of like LA. Like everybody's woke in Atlanta, you know? I mean, what I say is like it's a woke contest, maybe not, you know? But if it was, you know, it's very similar to like all the major cities all across the United States.

And like the further you get out, the more you feel like oh, yeah, this is the South Yeah, no, no, no, this is definitely Southern and there's amazing things about the South okay There's Southern hospitality. There's good food. There's all of these amazing things But there's also obviously a lot of other things such as you know There are lots of parts of Georgia that really are not woke that like you'll and you'll be like, am I being fucking transported back to 20 years ago because that's what it feels like right now, because what is happening? Did someone just look at me and tell me that I'm oriental?

Like I'm fucking Korean dude, what are you talking about? And I'm sure that's the same with California. There's gotta be a million areas where you're just like, what? Okay, and Forsyth County is kind of notorious for being a little racist. Is that really? Yeah, I didn't know the history of this, which is kind of crazy because I took a whole Georgia

history class, but I didn't know the history of Forsyth County and how racist it was. So they have a intense, intense history with racism and it still prevails to this day kind of. And if you guys are offended, if you live in Forsyth County or if you live in Georgia please don't be offended like I have very fond memories of growing up there that's a lie I like Georgia I think it's a beautiful state there's so much to love about Georgia I personally didn't have a great experience but my family all lives there and they freaking love it and I love my family and I love Georgia Georgia's an

amazing place, okay? I'm not saying everyone in Forsyth County is racist. I'm saying the people who run it can be racist. So that's what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to say you, you rotten mango or living in Forsyth County, you are racist, but it's because you're obviously not a fair listening. So this, well I hope so. So 1912, they had just like this massive lynching and I know you're gonna be like 1912, well wasn't everything racist in 1912, they had just like this massive lynching and I know you're gonna be like 1912. Well, wasn't everything racist in 1912 It's it's just wait, okay? So there was two separate incidents the first incident There was a black man who was alleged to have attempted to rape a white woman and the victim the white woman told them that oh

Well, he tried to rape me, but he couldn't rape me because he ran away in time So I didn't get raped, right? And there was this huge debate of like, okay, well, are we sure it was attempted rape? Are you sure that this actually happened? Because there was a lot of allegations at the time of people being like, hey, this black man tried to rape me. And then everyone's like, okay, but where? Where are the receipts, you know?

And so a black preacher, he had suggested that maybe the victim possibly couldn't be possible. And he did this in such a good way. Could it possibly be possible that she was in a relationship with that black man because back in the day like interracial relationships a lot of the times they were held a secret and a lot of the times if people were caught they would make up some crazy excuse and it could be as crazy as oh no we weren't having sex they were raping me and so the the black preacher, he was just like, you know, could this maybe before we go and try to kill someone, because that's what the energy is given off right now.

Are we sure that this wasn't a love, you know, this wasn't a relationship? And so that's when a group of white men were like, oh my god, fuck you for saying that. And so they dragged him into the town square and they whipped him. The priest? The priest just by suggesting that the victim was in an interracial relationship. Yeah, yeah. The suspect of this one, the attempted alleged rapist, he was never even charged due to lack of evidence.

So there was never even a trial. Then the second incident happened in like the in a span of like three months in 1912, right in Forsyth County. And this was five suspects were arrested for rape and they were held in coming Georgia jail, so like the county jail. And 4,000 white men stormed the jail, dragged out one of the men who was accused of raping someone

and shot him and hanged his body in the town square. So then after that, there was something called the night raiders, right? And I do want to point out that not every resident was like this, not every white person and for South County even in 1912 was like this, okay? Just like, there were a lot of people who were like, hey, let's not do this, but they just didn't win, right? They couldn't convince people not to do it.

And so the night raiders, they essentially would get onto like, like their horses, I don't know what they wrote. So they would get into their like method of transportation and they would bring their guns and they threatened every single black resident to get the fork out and then in 24 hours or we're going to kill you. Kick them out of the town? Yeah. And so at that point literally every single black person left in fear.

Most of them lost their land that they worked hard for. Most of them lost personal property that they would never get back. I mean, they set them back, I mean, they were already set back, but they set them back even further. So they just, there was like no black person in Forsyth County for so long, for so long.

It was so crazy that in the 1980s that there was a big peaceful protest. It was a march and they did this because they were like, wow, there was only about like four black people living in the entire four-cythe county. So they were like, you know, it has to do with the racism here. Like we need to fix it. We need to come together. And so it was a Interracial like peaceful, beautiful march, right? And then white supremacist showed up and they started throwing rocks at them. And when I say white supremacist,

I'm saying like the KKK showed up, like that asked the KKK showed up. And they held up signs that said, keep for sight racially pure. They were screaming the N word at the marchers. A lot of the people were injured. And then later on, they had a second peaceful march. Anders, a lot of the people were injured and then later on they had a second peaceful march and it was probably one of the biggest in civil rights marches at that time,

it was like 20,000 people of all different races that showed up. So even to this day, I believe Forsyth County the last time the consensus was done, the consensus, the census you idiot that I like the consensus. The consensus is that it's about 4% black in Forsyth County. And now there are more minorities, but most of the minorities in that county are Asian or Hispanic. So even to this day, there's not a lot of people living, not a lot of black people living in that county, right? And there's still a lot of like scandals.

The last time I heard about like some racial scandal was when a lot of people were really upset that Asians were moving in to the Forsyth County because a lot of moms said that it was socially and academically ruining their white kids' lives. Yeah, like it was like this really intense thing that like they didn't look at Asian kids as kids. They were just like, oh this thing, like this migration of these Asians are just like ruining my kids' lives. And everyone was like, we bought a house here.

Like, what are you talking about? Like, we live here. We're just going to the school. And it was like this whole drama. Yeah, I don't know if that's what I'm talking about. Why do I feel like I've heard coming is up and coming? Yeah, so I did reach out to my sister, reach out to her, I talked to my sister, okay.

So I talked to my sister and her fiance and they're a little bit more knowledgeable in Atlanta than I am. They talk to their friends who live in coming and they say, coming's a lot better now and the exact quote that this person told, my sister's fiance for research purposes was and this is just one person, okay?

Is that it's getting better. like nobody's blatantly racist. Oh. And I was like, I know that, I know what that means, I know what that means. So this all starts in 2018 with a woman by the name of Tamla Horstford. And we're just gonna call her Tam, because that's what everyone called her. And that was her nickname. So she was 40 years at the time that this happened. She was born in the Caribbean.

Now this is really important, okay She was born in the Caribbean. Now this is really important, okay? So being from the Caribbean, I guess it's almost like the equivalent of like being from, I don't know, Hawaii or California. Like anywhere else you go, you're like, oh my God, it's so cold. Like that was the running joke for her,

was that anywhere she went, it was freaking cold, you know? People used to poke fun at her because it would be 70 degrees and she'd be like, guys, it's chilly today. No, and then people would be like oh my god I like sometimes snows in Georgia like how are you gonna do it? So she is married to a man by the name of Leander and he goes by Lee so Lee and Tam They've been married for 16 years and in the beginning of their marriage They lived in Florida for most of it and they had a really beautiful life So they had five sons five sons and they were ranged from four to 14 years old, so lots of different age groups.

Now she also was briefly living with her stepdaughter from a previous relationship, like letting the stepdaughter stay with her. She ended up, because she was older, she ended up not staying, like moving to Georgia later, so she ended up staying in Florida. And this is kind of like just shows how good of a person Pamela was because I mean this was her stepdaughter from her previous relationship, you know, and she's just like, yeah, no, I love you. And she's still even to our last breath to the last day that she was alive was so loving and giving to her stepdaughter. It gets so sad, okay. So Lee gets a new job and they have to relocate to coming Georgia.

So they're like, you know what, this is exciting. And the most exciting thing for them was that their sons were really good at football. And they had heard about Forsyth County, they said it's like football town, you know, Georgia. Like the south is kind of really into football too. I think it's more the East Coast thing is like a football thing, right?

And so they were like, yes, the south, like we got to come in Georgia, like it's gonna be right? And so they were like, yes, the South, like, one guy to come in Georgia, like, it's gonna be the best. And they were just so, so excited. Now, Tam, she was a big football mom. She's super involved with the kids. She always went to every single football game. I mean, she volunteered at schools.

Like, if there was a PTA function, she's PTAing that shit. Like, she's there. She's not even there. She's like running the PTA meeting. Like, she's like the one giving out cookies and stuff and you're like, wow, people are actually like here, wow. They also had a really tight knit family. Everyone described Tam to be open giving the life of the party.

And they said that you just couldn't not like her, even if you tried so hard. She was just one of those people, she was also super outgoing. She people kind of considered her like the glue of every function. Like she would bring together everyone and she just was really good at making sure nobody felt awkward and she's like really good at small talk. Like you know those people, like they'll literally just start talking to you and you're like, thank God because I was just standing in the corner awkwardly without this person like, wow.

So her husband would say, Lee would say that she loves family, life and you because she doesn't know a stranger. Like that was just like, and you. Because she doesn't know a stranger. Like, that was just like her thing. Like, she literally doesn't know a stranger. Like, you made her once. She's your best friend. She moves to coming Georgia. She makes a bunch of friends, right?

Now, most of her friends are also fellow football moms. They're just like moms that she would meet at school. Because, you know, she was living that mom life. And her BFF was Michelle Graves. Now, I'm gonna stop talking about Michelle for quite some time. But she's gonna become a pivotal part of the story at the end. So for the next five and a half years until 2018, I mean she was living the best life in coming Georgia like she was people loved her, right? The community loved her, everyone loved her. So then November 3rd, 2018 rolls around, and there's a woman by the name of

Jean Myers. It's gonna sound like Jean, but it's spelled like Jean, but she pronounced as John like the French I don't know if she's French she's in sound French, but I don't know okay, so John Myers It was this was gonna be her 45th birthday. She was gonna have this massive adult slumber party at her house like no Men were allowed it's just gonna be all girls all these football moms are gonna come together and we're just gonna celebrate John's 45th birthday party, right and it's gonna be all girls, all these football moms are gonna come together and we're just gonna celebrate John's 45th birthday party, right? And it's gonna be at John's house. So these are all football moms. They know each other from their side.

Because their kids play football together. Oh yeah. This is literally the straight up craziest thing ever. Like it's not even just like a group of moms who work together. It's like literally PTA moms, like soccer moms, like fucking minivan moms. And it gets crazy. And so Stacey, she was kind of like the glue of the party.

So she was the party organizer, and she was actually really close to Tamla at the time. So that's why Tamla was invited. So Tamla wasn't necessarily the BFS with Jean. The only way that she knew Jean was because their kids played football together. So they were just like kind of acquainted. And so it was, like if I can just say,

it was a lot of white football moms. Tamla was the only black woman there. She was the only black person there. So John's boyfriend is Hispanic. And none of this really matters, but I know that people are gonna point it out, right? Because we are dealing with a lot of race that is gonna get involved later.

So here's the thing, right side note. When a lot of people kind of talk about this as, you know, Tam was murdered because she was black, it gets a little confusing because there's no clear motive, especially because the person that you're questioning is also a minority. So it's like, it gets a little bit gray. I don't necessarily. What's a minority, so it's like, it gets a little bit gray. I don't necessarily... What's a minority? John's boyfriend, which he's really suspicious. So I don't necessarily think that, you know, Tam was murdered because she was black,

but I do believe that the investigation was botched, and I do believe that a lot of people thought that they could get away with it because she is black. So I don't think that was necessarily like the motive. I don't think that these white moms got together, and we're like, let's kill a black lady today. Like, I don't think that happened necessarily like the motive. I don't think like these like white moms got together And we're like let's kill a black lady today like I don't think that happened at all, right? Okay, but I do think after the fact whatever the motive was, you know, then they were like okay Let's just you know. Yeah, no one's gonna care right so like that was kind of their mindset

And so she was the only black woman there and she was acquainted with the few of the other women that were there But she didn't really know them that well, but again, like I said, nobody deals. She's really good at getting to know people. So rule number one of this slumber party was that no men were allowed. Yet, yet, two men ended up at the slumber party. So Jose Barera is the 27-year-old boyfriend of 45-year-old Jean. So Jean could get it.

That's the only nice thing I'll say about her today, sorry. And so, yeah, so he's the 27-year-old boyfriend. He was there, even though he was supposed to be gone for the night. So, he doesn't actually live there. He doesn't live with Jean. Jean has her kids that live there, and the kids were out for the night. But he was just like, yeah, I'm just going to show up, even though you told me not to. And then Stacy, the party organizer, her husband named Tom.

So Tom, this is where it gets so weird already. Like, nothing even happened and it's weird, right? Tom said that he doesn't want to be home because, you know, women. I don't understand that. No, I don't understand it either. And I was like, wait, what? This is weird because it almost implies

he doesn't want to be home that night because women. Like, that implies that his wife's like Oh the old ball and chain right, but his wife's not home Yeah, so I don't know maybe there's some information that was left out like maybe they lived with her mom like wife's mom I don't know but he was just like you know women and then Jose was like yeah And then they were like okay, well, we can't go to Tom's house So the plan was to let Jose would go to Tom's house I guess and hang out. I don't know where they know each other. Yeah, I don't know where Jose lives

And if they didn't want to go to Jose's place, but they just like ended up at John's house because they were like, oh, you know women we hate him, but like let's go to this woman See sleep over, right? And so they tell the ladies like, hey, do you guys mind if we hang out in the basement? And this was the LSU versus Alabama football game. And like I said, you're dealing with a lot of football moms. So they were like, yeah, fuck yeah, we're going to watch this game. And then the two men were like, hey, we're going to watch the game in the movie theater downstairs in the basement, right? And so they were like, okay, have a good time. Now, during half time of the game, Jose and Tom, they hear some click-clacking upstairs.

They're like, oh my god, you know what that sounds like? That sounds like dishes. Let's go upstairs, because they were hungry. So during half time, they sneak their way upstairs, they're starting eating some gumbo, some chips, you know, and dip, and all these things, and then they just like end up staying with the women the rest of the night. So they just kind of like finesse their way in there. Very weird, very, very weird. They also said that they didn't feel good that night, said that they didn't feel good that night and that they didn't want to like spend money to go out because the police were really confused. Like, why were you guys here? You know, like everyone was

like, why are you guys here? And they just like said that they didn't want to spend money to go out. Something was going on at home and they didn't feel good. So they, they wanted to stay in the basement. Very weird, right? Now Jose is going to be the more important of the two boys. And it's because he was a pretrial court officer for Forsyth County. So he is in law enforcement. And he's going to get fired later. Because he accesses confidential files that he shouldn't using his credentials at work. So then let's talk about the other person that was there that was not involved with the

actual slumber party. So her name is Madeline Lombardi and she was actually jeans on, jaunce on, sorry. So she was actually jaunce on and she lived in the basement of the home and she was also at the party but like not at the party. So she was just present. Now the way that the house is set up, it looks like a very stereotypical middle upper class Georgia home. I'm not going to lie. Okay, so it's got two stories.

The basement though, right? It's got a basement that's obviously finished, but from the basement, you can literally open the door and you're in the backyard. So that means usually with Georgia homes, they'll add like this porch, like in the back, and it's kind of like a one story porch. Like if you fall off the porch, you know, foreshadowing, it's about a story, like one floor that you fall off the porch, you know, foreshadowing, it's about a story, like one floor that you fall, right? And it was on a slope, so maybe even a little bit higher than one floor,

but that's kind of just like what it looked like. It looked like a massive home and had like six bedrooms or something, it was something crazy like that. And so Tamla, she actually ends up showing up late to the party. So the party started around 6.30 p.m. But Tamla, like I said, she's like a family woman. So she's making dinner. She even made breakfast for the next morning, just to let her sons and her husband could be fed. So she made a breakfast casserole. And Tamla, she does not get out a lot. Like, she's got a bunch of kids, you know, she's not going out and partying. So she was really

excited. Yeah, she was so excited. Before she left the house, oh my god, I'm gonna cry already. Okay, before she left the house, she put on her PJ Wednesday because it was supposed to be a slumber party and her little Wednesday had like these little paw prints on it. It was so cute. And then she even stopped by to pick up her favorite imported tequila as a birthday gift to Jean. Like, oh, this is gonna be such a fun girls night. So she gets there around 8.30 PM. And from what we can tell, like, there's pictures and videos from the party. She looks like she has known these girls, these women for all of her life. Like, she just looks like she fits right in. There's this one picture that I just cannot get out of my head now. She's like sitting on the couch with them and she's like in the middle. And it just looks, got

it looks fun. And so she calls her husband around 10 p.m. and she's like just in a really good mood. Like her husband just remembers that she seems really happy to be there. And she even told Lee her husband that, you know, finally she's getting some girl time because she's used to having six boys at home, like she was teasing him about it. And then even later, closer to midnight,

she actually facetimed all of her kids. Like, she facetimed her sons, but specifically, she facetimed her stepdaughter because she was like pregnant at that time. And so she was literally showing her kids off to these new moms that she just met. She was like, look, look, my stepdaughter's pregnant, look at her, Bali! I mean, it was nice to meet you, we've heard good things, you know, like so freaking cute. They played cards against humanity, and then the rest of the night is kind of a mystery, right? Like we have the idea that they were drinking, we have the idea that there was some smoking involved, we know that there was definitely cigarettes being smoked, some marijuana, and

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So what else happened at that party, right? This is the part where you're going to get a little bit annoyed. Everyone is going to constantly say the same phrase, which is always a big red flag. In all the police interviews, the amount of times I've read in a transcript, oh, she's the only one that smokes. It's gonna blow your mind. It's gonna piss you off, okay? Wait, say that one more time.

Who is it? Everyone. Everyone at the party later is just gonna constantly say, oh, Tim was the only one that smokes. Like, you know, cigarettes, weed, literally whatever they want her to, I guess. So, yeah, so they said that she smoked her joint on the balcony and got high off of marijuana. Everyone except for one moment said, oh, I've never even smoked in my life. You know, like, it's just weird. It almost looks like they're framing her to look bad And I'm not saying this as like a hypersensitive like person, but I'm literally saying it as someone who has read through Hundreds of pages of transcripts of these interviews like it's just really weird like okay

We get it like you're so cool and innocent and pure and you've like never done anything bad in your life Like it's just weird like I get it that weed is not legal in Georgia But also at the same time like you're doing too much, because most of the time they were even just talking about cigarettes, and they would just be like, well she's the only one that smokes. So then Jean tells the police that this is also weird, that she hated the present that Tam brought. She said that the smell of tequila made her throw up in her mouth. So she just told her that like, oh you drink it, like I'm not really into it. And so Tam opened up the bottle and offered shots to everyone and like I guess, you know, Tamla was like the only one really drinking it. It's kind

of how it was phrased by Jean, like, oh I hated it. It was nasty, was smelly. Like who says that? I'm sorry. Like if I someone brings me a bottle of Tequila from my birthday, I could be like, oh, like do you mind if we all drink it together? That's what I would say if I don't love tequila. So do you think she's saying that because she's trying to emphasize that she's not intoxicated? Yeah, and then she's, no, I think she's doing it more to emphasize that. Tamla is so intoxicated, so smoky. You know, like just like, okay, we got it.

But also, these are some small details that literally just keep it to yourself. What happened to Southern hospitality, you know? What happened there? You don't have to do that. She was just like, the smell made me throw up in my mouth. And so, yeah, Tam did what you do at adult slumber parties, which is drink. I feel like a lot of people bring that up a lot and say well obviously the murder was not a murder and was an accident So everything's a legend, you know right now, but they're like no, it's clearly an accident because she was drunk

Nobody at the party said that Tam was out of control at all not one person Most people said that yeah, we saw her drinking a lot But like she could hold her liquor because she didn't even appear that drunk like she was still functioning normally She wasn't slurring her words. She wasn't like Falling she wasn't like stumbling up around like she appeared buzzed at most is literally what everyone said On the other hand there was a woman that was named Jennifer and she had to be carried into bed because she was so drunk How many people were there? There was I think nine women in total and the two men Yeah, and so it was just

kind of like you know she didn't really seem that drunk. Yeah. Now everyone else slowly started going to sleep and one by one they would either leave the house. So I think there was about four women who went back home and the rest of the woman they found guest rooms or they just like crashed in a different room and they all went to sleep right. And so allegedly the last person to see Tamla alive was a woman by the name of Bridget. And Bridget was going home, her husband was picking her up, it was about 145 in the morning. And Bridget's husband had come to pick her up, Tamla walked her to the front door, gave her a hug

and was like, oh my God, it is so nice to meet you. Like I'm so glad that we met, you're such a cool person and then close the door afterwards. And that's kind of the last we know. And then allegedly, everybody else is asleep now. Except for Tamla, allegedly, and then the next morning, 8.45 in the morning, Madeline, do you guys remember her? The aunt, John's aunt, that's living in the basement.

She went upstairs and she claimed that she was the first one awake. Okay, everybody else was hungover, everybody was asleep, right? So she went upstairs and she claimed that she was the first one awake. Okay, everybody else was hung over everybody was asleep Right, so she went upstairs to make coffee and that's when she peered through the backyard window and saw some PJs peeking out through the grass Like just pajama pants, right? Yeah, so she's like, oh my god. What is that? And then she said she looked down and she saw Tam's PJs just PJs and Tam like face down, face down on the grass right off of the balcony. So it kind of I guess like if you really want to say it and looked like she fell from the balcony, right? Face down, motionless, laying in the grass. So this is what she said that

she did next. She said that she did not start the coffee. She knew who Tam is. Yeah, she met her the night before at the party. And so she remembers those PJs, she remembers everything. And she sees her motionless laying face down in the middle of November morning. Like this is cold. Like I know people don't think George is cold, but it's cold, okay?

And so like she's just like, oh no. So she said that she doesn't make her coffee. She got down on her knees and said a little prayer. I don't know. Like what's going through her mind? She said that she just like got down on her knees and said a prayer. Like I don't know. Okay.

After that. And then she was like, oh my gosh, what do I do? So she ran upstairs to John's room and that's when she said that she heard the water running. So she's like, oh, John's awake and taking a shower right now. So then she went back downstairs and then like this is the way that she said it in her official statement And it doesn't really make sense. She said, so I went back downstairs because I was thinking like, oh my god I shouldn't wake up. Maybe she's up. Like, I think she was either talking about Tam or someone. And so she said, so I went downstairs and she's still there. I couldn't believe my eyes.

I was saying like inside my head, she's not moving. She's not moving. It's just all really weird like okay But you knew that but you said a prayer like if I don't I just don't understand like maybe I'm trying to like put it together And like a crazy aunt perspective or more like a crazy grandma like maybe she thought she was like hyperventilating or like hallucinating And then so she like set a prayer like oh my god like don't let me be seeing ghosts right now And then went upstairs and then came back to inst I mean it's just there's honestly no way that my logical brain is like this makes sense But like I don't know honestly, so then she decides after checking up on Tamla again So she at this point she has not gone downstairs to really check up on her like she's not gotten down to the yard to like

Shake her and see if she's awake or anything right? She's just like looked from the balcony Like oh my god. She's right there, right? So she goes back to John's room and again, it's like around 8.45 a.m And this is where everyone's story kind of gets mixed up John and Jose they were in the room together and they said that they were dead asleep Uh-oh, but Madeline clearly heard the water running now of course Madeline is gonna be like well I thought I heard the water running but like, of course Madeline is going to be like, well, I thought I heard the water running.

But like, water running noise is not really something that, like, it's not a fart. Like, it's usually a continuous sound. And you know what I'm talking about, like when someone's showering in your house, you can kind of hear it. Maybe it's somebody else's showering, you know. But what happens when she rent back into the room though?

OK, so they let her in, finally, right? And that's when her aunt Madeline demands to talk to only Jose. She's like, I don't, I can't tell you Jean, like I can't tell you. And so Jean is like, what's wrong with you? Like I obviously know something's wrong. You look really, really stressed out. Like just tell me. And so finally Madeline says, well, your friend from the islands is down in the back.

What? Who's, who's Stamon was that? Madeline. She said that. Yeah. Exactly what she said. Yeah, it was like all of them. Okay. So she said your friend from the islands is down in the back.

Which is um, yeah, we get it. Yeah, you get it. It's just like, she's like, yeah, no, no, I need, I need Jose to go check on her. I need Jose to go check on her. And so they're all like, okay. So apparently Jose puts his little pants on. And this is pertinent to the story, I guess. So he puts his pants on, then they run downstairs.

And when they get there, nobody attempted to turn her over. She was face down in the grass. And when I say face down, her face was not on her cheek. Her nose was straight on the grass. This is really important later, because that's weird. Nobody attempted CPR. Nobody really checked for her pulse. Nobody really did much.

So that's when Jose, Madeline, and Jean, they're all downstairs. They still have people in their house, but it doesn't seem like they were down there at that point. And they go to Tam and Jose said that he touched her back to check if she was breathing and he said that she wasn't breathing. And then he tried to move her leg.

That's what he said. Like that was the first thing he wanted to do. It was like move her leg. I don't know if he was trying to move it to flip her over, but he just kept saying that her leg was completely stiff. Now, this is going to come into play later because that would mean that she's in rigor mortis, which is the third stage of death, which is before decomp. It happens maybe about, depending on the circumstances,

maybe anywhere between, from what I can tell, from my online research, is from three to hours after you die. Your body becomes incredibly stiff. Like, to the point where, at the height of it, depending on, you know, each person point where at the height of it, depending on, you know, each person, but at the height of it, like it could be impossible to even bend your arm, right? Like, nobody could bend it, even with extreme force.

Like it would be really difficult. And so he said that, you know, it seems like he couldn't bend her leg. It was just completely stiff. So at 8.59 pm, there was a call place to 9.1. 8.59 pm? Or AM, I'm so sorry. Oh, okay. I'm so sorry. 8.59 pm, there was a call place to 9.1. 8.59 pm? Or AM. I'm so sorry.

Oh, okay. I'm so sorry. 8.59 am, they called 911. So there are some rumors out there that have some questions about the timing of this, because that night also happened to be daylight savings time. So. That's so confusing.

Yeah. So some people, for some reason, there is kind of like this rumor circulating that they waited an hour before calling 911 But it doesn't seem like that like they were able to somehow corroborate between text messages and different like little things The police said that they don't think that the three of them waited an hour But there was just a rumor because they were you know with daylight savings It just got really hectic and so um

Yeah, so they call 911 and she and is the one who talks to the operator first. I've got a lot of pickles to pick with this operator. I don't know, I do not like this operator. If I were to call 911, well, I'm not gonna say anything, but, um, I just don't like her. So then she like tells, you know, the 911 operator about the party and everything and then she's like, yeah, like most of us went to bed, we were drinking, it was really late. And then one of them stayed on the balcony and she was drinking. And I just feel like it's a little weird, so the whole 911 call, okay, I get it like the

first two seconds, right? I get it, maybe you're in shock. But the whole time, Jean and Jose, like just don't really talk about Tamla, the way that you would expect them to. Like they barely say her name. They're just always like, yeah, one of them stayed out on the balcony. What? Yeah, like it's just, like yeah one of them stayed out on the balcony Yeah, like it's just like if you hear the nine-round call. It's just really weird I get it that they weren't close, but it's still odd

It just feels kind of disrespectful almost. I just can't imagine someone being in my house And then me just being like anyway, so like one of them You heard that you heard the call. Yeah, and it's just a little odd So she was like yeah one of them stayed on on the balcony, and I guess she was just like drinking, and I think maybe she like fell off. So that was, she just kept suggesting to the operator that Tam had fallen off the balcony, right?

Which, I mean, I get it, but I don't. I don't get it. Yeah, like I get it. I never ever, ever even heard of anybody fall out about me. Willie Nilly. Yeah, I neither have I, but then like I get why maybe she said it because she was placed underneath the balcony, right?

Like right under, but I also think it's kind of weird. Like I think I would just be in like freak out zone, but again, I guess everyone reacts differently. So then she just like hands the phone off to Jose. And Jose starts talking and then this is where, oh my gosh, you're going to get so mad. He starts saying things like, oh, I'm noticing a small cut on her wrist. What?

And then he also says, I don't know if the cut was self-inflicted. By the way, the autopsy was show that she had a one-inch laceration on her wrist. A one-inch laceration. That is not a suicide attempt. That is not self-inflicted. I mean, even if it was, it was probably not with suicidal attempts, okay? It was probably like, oh, I accidentally cut myself, right? And so the fact that he even brought it up was really alarming to a lot of people is just like, what? Like, that's, you literally have someone in your

backyard or your girlfriend's backyard and you want to talk about like a small little cut on a wrist. And so obviously the operator is like, okay, well, you know, what's going on with the body? Like is she moving? And he's like, oh, she's not moving one bit. She's not breathing. She's completely stiff. She's face down in the yard, right? And then he brings up the cut. And so it's almost like they're all suggesting to the operator. So Gene's suggestion was that she was drinking probably fall off the balcony. Now Jose is suggesting that she may be slit her wrist and willy-nilly jumped off the balcony, like is this suicide? It was so much so that the dispatch even asked if she was having suicidal thoughts.

Like do you know if this person was suicidal at all? Like that's what they asked. Which again is just really weird. Yeah. So, I mean, my concern is, why are you guys theorizing about what happened without performing CPR, without even figuring out what, like if she's alive?

Like I would not automatically be like, how did this person die? I would be like, is this person dead? Can we try to not, like what can we do? But they're like, yeah, so I think maybe it's this. The 911 dispatcher never recommended that they do CPR. It was just never brought up and I don't know why. Is it because they have rule, they're completely,

she's, you know, way past the stage? No, because that's the thing. They almost always do that, unless it's a very specific set of circumstances because, like, untrained eyes, there's no way to tell. So you would do it just in case. Maybe it's like the weakest pulse ever that we don't know how to detect

because we're not in the medical field, but by the time EMS gets there, maybe we could have saved someone's life. So they always recommend it. I mean, it's just strange, I think it's strange. And so the dispatch, again, asked if she's moving or breathing. And he just like, OK, this is the part where it gets confusing. The 911 call goes silent for about 20 seconds.

It hasn't been released if it was redacted, meaning that the police decided to take out 20 seconds of this conversation before they released it to the public or if Jose muted the phone for 20 seconds, but it's completely silent. Oh, it was the question. She asked if she's moving or breathing. And there was like 20 seconds of just fucking silence, not even like them like doing something

in the phone stuff, like you can't hear anything. It's like when someone mutes you, but you don't even. It's shmoving or breathing. Breathing, and then silent. Yeah. I mean, it's gotta be muted, right? If it's 100% silent. Yeah, I mean, well, it could have been redacted

is what I'm saying. Like they could have, the police could have taken it out for confidential information or whatever, right? Either way, sounds shady as hell. Either way, weird shady as well. Either way, it's weird. Yeah. And so, either way, really weird.

And then he just, you know, gets back on the phone and he's like, no, no, no, I have completely no idea. So first, it went from Jose saying, oh, she's completely not moving completely this to, I completely have no idea if she's breathing. And it's just like, okay, so this is just a little bit weird. So after 20 seconds, he responds with, like, she's, like okay, so this is just a little bit weird so after 20 seconds He responds yeah with like she's like I completely don't know Yeah, there's a change. Yeah, it's that's why people think it was muted people think it he muted it

And there was a very risk brief conversation between him and Jean and then you know He unmuted and was like like, oh, I completely have no idea how would I know such a thing, you know, very, very odd. And so he kept saying like she was the last one to fall asleep, she was in the kitchen, she was in the kitchen. And then he also, they asked about the railing, right, the balcony, because they want to know. And the weirdest way that he responded was, oh, I'm suspecting that she fell about 20 feet

if her feet were standing on the railing. So again, that sounds like suicide. If you fall off a railing, your feet would never be on the railing. If you fall, your balance has tipped over. But your feet would not be on. So he's calculating her height and then if her feet were on the railing,

then what's the fall? Like it just doesn't matter That's so insane. We are crazy, right? No, no, no, that's not even, yeah, that's we're phrasing. He's already made up a whole scenario that she jumped off on the railing. And I don't think anybody see a scene will make up such a elaborate story when you know someone doesn't even have any alarming suicidal thoughts or actions. Why would you think that she jump off the railing? Why would he assume something like that? That's so weird, you know what I mean? And it gets weirder because he keeps changing his story. And then later he's like, I'm OCD. And it's just like really? I don't know what's happening. Okay, it gets even weirder,

just you wait, right? So this is the part where it gets kind of confusing because it's just like really? I don't know what's happening. Okay, it gets even weirder just you wait, right? So this is the part where it gets like kind of confusing because it's like why would you assume that she's jumping instead of like falling over? Like it makes more sense that she fell over because she'd be drunk and stuff But then it'd be like, oh no her feet if they were on the railing, right? Yeah, so it's kind of like it's it's kind of difficult who to blame for this So some people think it's the dispatcher to blame. Some people think it's just Jose to blame. People are just like Jose kind of feels like a shit person, right? But then some people say it's the dispatch because a lot of, you

know, dispatchers came forward and they were talking about things on Reddit and they were saying things like, you know, it's, you don't want to plant seeds in people's minds, especially if no one's at the crime scene yet. Like if the responding officers haven't gotten there to say stuff like that, now it's almost making everyone jump onto this like, suicide. What did she say? Did this badger? Remember she asked, do you know if she was like suicidal or anything?

Oh, that question got it. And it's just, I mean, some people, I don't really know. I've never been a dispatch officer. So then that's when Jose on camera says well we have cameras on the back deck to check we will check them we will check them and so he said it would have caught the whole thing we will check them. I don't think anywhere it was there with her at the time that this happened. It's hard to say if she fell from the deck or if she was already at the bottom or anything like that but we will will check them. Okay, now here's the crazy thing.

Nobody tells him. Law enforcement dispatched. Nobody tells him. No, no, no, no, no, don't check it. Like we will check it with you. Nobody tells him any of that. And guess what? It was actually-

Don't be the camera was not- Oh, the footage was accidentally deleted. Fuck. And it was never given to law enforcement the only piece of evidence because all of these people, they keep changing their stories like every two fucking seconds, like the seasons.

But no, that camera deleted the only thing that could have been actually reliable. Oh my God. Deleted. And it was just that day, the day before they had the whole days with a footage of the day, after they had all the footage so frustrating. And Jose is guilty.

But also side note they're really so happy, so be careful babe. What? Jose being a kind of like a formal law enforcement for Forsyth County, it seems like something they would know. Like it seems like something he would know. Know what? To not go really nilly, you look into your own security footage of a potential crime scene by yourself without the cops.

Seems like this dude doesn't know everything. He's figuring things out in the process. Yeah, he's not that smart. But he does seem shady. Like he seems like he's learning some stuff. I don't know. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. And so they keep saying that she's the only smoker, you know her cigarette and her lighter route here They also said that's on the call. Yeah on the call in later in reports And then they also said that um like four people were here last night and they're no longer here So you know now law enforcement knows okay like we need to bring these people back because they might be involved So Jose says that he believes that that night

Tam was alone in the kitchen and she was maybe waiting for a ride or maybe waiting for the morning. Like that's what he said. And this is the part where I get confused. Like I'm like, what does that mean? I don't know what it means. He just said waiting for the morning,

like waiting for a ride to come in the morning but she like drove there. So like is she waiting to sober up to drive? Like he just said waiting for the morning or maybe she drove there. So is she waiting to sober up to drive? Like, he just said, waiting for the morning or maybe waiting for a ride right now. It's so weird. So they also have alarm systems for their doors. So it's like this app that Jean has on her phone

and it just notifies them. Every time a door is opened and closed, so the front door, the garage door, and the back door. So it'll just get an alert, front door was opened, front door was closed, right? And she's like, yeah, we can check it, we can check it, right? Now, that was pretty much all of the important stuff that happened in the 911 call and people were really upset about that call when it was released to the public because, first

of all, she seemed really distant. Like, she barely said her name, which, I mean, I guess you could say, like, people react to shock very differently, Stephanie, like, you can't judge, right? But it just seemed really cold I don't know how to describe it. It didn't seem like oh My god, I'm in shock What the fuck it was more like yeah, she was like the one on the balcony like just very like the one like the others were asleep Like she is the only one on the balcony. Like it's just, I don't know. Okay, like it's like the vibes that you get, right? But that's not why people are demanding that this be looked into.

It's not because the vibes trust. And Jose even said at one point, the one who we believe to be deceased, which is just really elaborate. Like you could have just said, you know, Tamma, my friend Tamma, who's on the ground, but he was like the one who we believe to be deceased. I could have just said, you know, Tamma, our friend, Tamma, who's on the ground, but he was like the one who we believe to be diseased.

Now, a part of me makes me feel like maybe he was like, trying to be all cool and like law enforcementy or whatever, but I don't know, just strange. And Jose said at first, you know, she's completely not moving and breathing, and then he was like, oh, well, I have no idea, like, I completely can't tell if she's breathing or not. So people didn't like that switch up.

Like, it's a little weird plus that little muted 20 seconds. You know, was it redacted? Was it muted? Why would he mute if it was muted? People did not like the fact that the dispatch and them had a full-on conversation of if Tam was suicidal. Because again, it's like, why don't you wait for the officers to get to the scene so that they can do what they do

Which is figure out if this was a homicide or not because you're talking about a old woman who died Yeah, it sounds like it's gonna be muted because if police took out the sound bit they can just cut it down Don't you think yeah, yeah, they cut it out. Make no reason for them to leave it to release. Yeah, and also I feel like yeah So it's gotta be muted muted. Mm-hmm. And then also EMS came really late. It seems like officially speaking they were called kind of they weren't called they were But they came really late and then the lead investigator told them not to come at all. What? Yes, okay We're gonna get into that it. Yeah. What? Yes. Okay. We're going to get into that.

Shhh, I, I, I, I, I, I. The lead investigator, Christian, they call him officer Christian, or unless you're a gene, you call him Mike, because I don't know, she likes to call police officers by their first names and flirt with them. And so, yeah, the officer Christian, he arrives at around 9.07 a.m. so this was really, really fast, right? Now, at that point, he even recognizes Jose. He's like, oh, hey really fast, right now at that point he even recognizes Jose he's like oh, hey

Hi, right and he goes to Tamla's body and EMS in the fire department weren't there yet now There are some reports like some journalists are saying like they were never called I wouldn't be surprised if they were never called but officially speaking I think that officially it stated that they were called and then later officer Christian had actually you know Told them like you don't need to come, right? What do you think they're not caught? Isn't the Naiwaon call alarming them? Well, no.

So like the dispatch person does all of that. So this batch didn't call? You're saying? That's what some people think. And it gets really weird because here's the crazy thing, right? The lead investigator shows up and he's already kind of treating this as if Tam's already dead. Right, which is really weird.

People don't do that. Yeah. So the investigator comes and he sees Tam face down. He said that he saw one arm up looking like it almost like braced her fall. Like, you know how you try to break your fall and you like put your arm forward. So it looked like the arm had done that. So there was one arm that was kind of above her head. And there was another arm that was laying to her side

He could immediately see upon arrival that her right wrist was clearly swollen broken dislocated and that was the one that was up and out in the air and the investigator officer Christian made the call that she was dead Now people were really upset about this Because usually police don't do that. Because that's not the police's job. Because the police doesn't really have the medical knowledge to make that call. So even if you show up to a crime scene and people like have been mutilated and decapitated, usually they don't really make the call. I mean,

obviously they're not going to be like, hey, EMS get here right now. We might be able to save people. They don't make that now, so. But EMS will still come. And then EMS will be in charge of calling the coroner or the medical examiner. And I think by state and by county,

it's a little bit different. But this seems to be overall the overarching process it seems in the United States. So the police will get there first if it seems like, you know, they're the ones first, then EMS or the fire department will come, they will either try to administer help or pronounce them dead and then the coroner and the medical examiners will come and then, you know, take them to be autopsy. But, you know, he said it was very obvious that she was dead, but it's just weird.

It's just another thing that's weird, right? And so he just tells EMS not to come, which again is weird, because he even... So who came? He just called the corner. He was like, hey, take her body to GBI. So, I mean, that's just not the investigator's job. The officer's job is to find out why and how she's dead and you know what happened right? EMS job is to

Determine if someone's dead or if they can save her and then call the corner then the corner is to determine how she died And then it goes back to the police so it seems like he's like trying to do the EMS This job when he's not even gonna do his own later and so it's just really frustrating So the body does get sent to GBI which which is called the Georgia Bureau of Investigations. And they sent it to GBI because even upon arrival, the police officer said that, it was just, you know, Tan was found in a weird position. It just did not align with jumping off the balcony.

She was found almost directly under the balcony, like right below the balcony railing, and it just didn't make any sense. And like her, the way that she was laying down was weird, like the way that she was face planted on the ground. There was just a lot of weird things. There also wasn't a pool of blood underneath her body and she landed on grass, right?

So there was no blood stains. There was really not a lot of blood at all. And it's just really weird. So they measured it and it's actually 14 feet fall from the railing. That doesn't sound like deadly, right? It doesn't sound deadly, but it can be very deadly. Oh, really?

Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Also, with the whole EMS and the police thing, I'm not saying that's every single time. I think it's just a mixture of because so much with the case was out of the norm. Like all these small things are feeling really big. Yeah, so it's like if it was a clear-cut case and the police really did their job,

no one's gonna be like, well, how do you know that she's dead, you know? Like how do you know for sure? Right, like no one's doing that, but it's just the fact that like it's like so many small weird details from the start to the finish. That's just like now everything feels like a deeper meaning. So you're gonna get, you know,

once we do go through the interviews and stuff, it gets really crazy. And so the police decide that they have this new hypothesis, they have this new crazy theory, and they say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, we don't think that she fell from the top of the balcony. We don't think that she fell 14 feet.

So the bottom of that basement, the backyard, where she had fallen, she was really close to the ledge of the cement. You know how sometimes there's cement and then it's grass? Like that little ledge, she was so close to it and so people believe that she tripped. The police believe that she tripped. And they also think that when she tripped, she had a seizure or maybe she was having a seizure and then she tripped. So instead of falling from the balcony, now the new theory was that she tripped and fell

from just like standing and because she was having a seizure, she couldn't really break her fall. And that's why there's no blood. And that's why she landed the way that she did. Really odd. Yeah. So again, people are wondering,

how did she break her wrist? Because the officer is staying upon a immediate arrival. He felt like her wrist was broken, it was swollen, it was really bad. But how did she break her wrist but not her nose? Because she straight up face planted onto the ground and your nose breaks in two seconds. And it didn't break. It didn't break, her nose did not break.

It was just really strange. And so more investigators arrive at the crime scene and the party goers, they are just reacted to just stay in one of the rooms, right? So they're like, hey wake everyone up, go to this room and you guys stay there, right? And they started marking everything as a crime scene. And I'm going to say the word crime scene really loosely because it doesn't seem like they really treated it like a crime scene, but that's just me. And they said, hey, we're going to call anyone that was here yesterday that left, you know, early morning or last night. So call them all. And they decided to hey, we're going to call anyone that was here yesterday that left, you know, early morning or last night

So call them all and they decided to split the two parties up into two separate groups So the people who left early they were left outside on the front lawn and then the people who have been there the whole time They were left in that one room But none of the officers were making sure that they didn't go outside and like talk to each other So a lot of them were like still texting and colliding and talking to each other. So there was no seas of communication between the party goers. And that's really, really fucked up.

But if they're texting, isn't there a record then? Yes, but a lot of it was done in person. So it's like they're getting their stories straight. And it's going to get bad. So then the door security app. So Jose keeps reminding officers, like, hey, I So then the door security app. So, you know, Jose keeps reminding officers, like, hey, I've got this door security app, you know, Jean's got it on her phone,

you guys want it right now, you guys want it right now. And again, this is one of those situations where it's so smart now. I can't say that these people are guilty of murder or anything like that, or even manslaughter or really anything, right? But I can say that I feel like personally, of murder or anything like that or even manslaughter or really anything, right? But I can say that I feel like personally they know a lot more than they're leading on.

And this part feels really smart to me. The part where they're acting like they're just so eager to help. Let there just so open. Hey, me cause a sukasa, right? You want to get on my app that tells me when the doors have opened? Oh, let me tell you my password, right? But it's really not helpful. It's a really good way to look like you're helpful, but you're not actually helpful.

Because a door opening doesn't really give anything. The police can piece together when everyone left by using the times that husbands had come picked up their wives, by using other things. But door opening, it doesn't tell how many people went through that door, it doesn't tell how many people walked back through the door. Why does he want to show that so badly? Because he's just trying to be so helpful.

We want to get to the bottom of that. But what happened to that super helpful security footage? But that one, that one got accidentally deleted. You know, shit happens, babe. So they're just like, let me give it to you. Let me give it to you. So the police take it. And 147 AM, the front door was opened.

So this aligns with Bridget saying that she left around 145 AM. And her husband was able to corroborate that he picked her up. 149 AM, the balcony door opens, the back door. And 150 AM, the balcony door closes. So someone opened and closed the door, right? And then 157 AM, the balcony door closes. So someone opened and closed the door, right? And then 157 AM, the balcony door opens again. So seven minutes is like a pretty standard time for a smoke break. Right.

But then there's no alert that it closes again. What? But here's the crazy thing. Madeline never said that the door was open when she went to go make coffee. So it's just really weird. There was no alert any time after that that said that it closed again. So it's just kind of like, okay, that's really strange. So kind of what we can gather is that okay. So let's say

that Tam was with Bridget. Bridget leaves, they close the front door, then Tam goes out to the backyard, takes a smoke. But now here's the weird thing, okay? First of all, Madeline never mentioned the door was open. When did the door get closed, okay? So let's say Tam was suicidal. So she goes out, she takes a smoke, then she opens the door, but instead of walking back in, she goes and stands on the railing and jumps to her death. Yeah, that makes no sense.

That makes no sense. Yeah. So then let's say it's an accident. So people would suspect that she was smoking and she fell over or she was doing something in fallover. So then she would go and open the door. That door opened. So weird. Yeah. And then just like be like, Oh, wait, I forgot. I should look at the floor real quick and like try to tip over. Like it just doesn't make any sense. You open the door and then you go back out onto the balcony and then you fall off the balcony. Correct. So again, that just doesn't make sense. So people theorized did

someone else walk out onto the balcony and stop her from coming back in, did someone, you know, push her, did someone talk to it, like, what happened when that door opened like it doesn't make any sense? What's even creepier? If there's a screenshot of her phone, Jean's phone of the notification of the backdoor opening, right? But at that same one, 139 AM, the garage door was opened. 1.40 AM, the garage door was closed. 1.40 AM, the garage door opened,

and there's no notification that the door was closed. So, like, was the garage door just open most of the night? 1.40? Yeah, like, when did the garage door close? Like, we don't have confirmation of that time. Why is the garage. 140? Yeah, like when did the garage door close? Like we don't have confirmation of that time. Why is the garage door open? I don't know. So Bridget said she went out the front door. I don't know why the garage is open. And Bridget said that it was just her in-tan and everyone else had fallen asleep. And that's what everyone else says. Everyone's like, we fell asleep. Okay, hear me out? Yeah. If she walks out into the balcony,

she opens the door, takes a small break right? She's close to the ride behind her. So she has a habit of closing doors. If she opens the door, again, she's the last one who opened it, trying to walk in, then she will for sure close it behind her, right? And her time of death was around that time. So either she opens it and something happens right then and there

that she didn't have the chance to close it or somebody else opens it. And went on to the balcony. Yeah, because if she comes back in, she will for sure close it. So there must be another person. Or did someone go through the garage out of the house, meet her in the backyard, open it to enter the house again and never closed it? No, no, no, no, you have to climb up the balcony, honey. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, no. Well, there's steamers, no? Yeah, but also it might be the GBI.

Just telling y'all the story. Sorry. I got a little excited there with my little, okay. Anyways, very weird stuff, right? But the police are like, okay, well let's grab Tamla's belongings and her car and drive it to her family's house to return the car obviously and her belongings and let them know that Tam is not coming home right and it seems like this I can't a thousand percent say that this is true but there's no evidence that they treated the house like a crime scene after this incident

after the police left it seems like Jean still stayed there afterwards. It seems like the party goers were just told not to talk to each other about it, but it seems like people were coming in and out of that house. Like even Tamless husband was even there at one point. So there was no preservation of a crime scene. There was no looking for evidence. It was just like, oh, like let's send her to get on top,

see, oh, let's just take a quick statement. Also, none of the statements that were taken at that time, they were written into officer's reports, but they weren't official statements. The official statements of all of the witnesses, potential witnesses were taken weeks after the death. So what are those chichet? What is that?

It just seems like some chichet. I don't know why they didn't take everyone's official statements because that would give you a clear idea of like Nothing's matching up like people don't have their stories straight like everyone's got a different story and none of the timelines are messing up Like that's the easiest way because it's so fresh and now if you question anyone's timeline people could be like that was weeks ago Like I don't remember you know and Yeah, so all the party goers would still keep in contact and they would talk about that night.

And it was just not handled well. And so in terms of Tamla's actual belonging, so she had a pink duffle bag. Inside of that duffle bag was like a smaller bag. I'm maybe thinking that's like a purse, right? And inside that purse there was a tiny bit of weed inside. A lot of people have sized this to make her look bad. It's a little bit of weed, calm town, right? Calm your tits. They also took an alcohol bottle, the one that she was gifting to Jean,

and it was about one eighth full. Now, here's the confusing thing. There is no way to indicate if she drank that all by herself, and I couldn't find the size of the alcohol bottle anywhere. So I couldn't tell if it was like a big ass party size, we're like a smarter bottle. Don't they exam her body? Yeah, yeah. She did drink a lot, but you know, people kind of made it seem like she was the only one that drank that tequila bottle.

Like she drank it all, right? And her jacket was left. Now this is where her family is really upset. Remember what I said about her being from the Caribbean? She goes out for her smoke. November in Georgia it was like 30 degrees that night. She just leaves her jacket inside. She didn't take it out. She was found in her PJs. Her onesie. She wasn't found wearing her jacket. And her jacket was not in like a room. It wasn't like a guest room upstairs. It was like near the couch. So it's

fairly close to where the balcony is. Like I don't know the exact floor plan, but it was on the main floor. So they found her jacket with her purse and it was on the main floor. So why didn't she wear it to go out and take a smoke? If that's what everyone's implying. The running joke in her family is that she would wear a jacket inside the house in Georgia even during the winters because like it gets cold. So people are just like, what? So the police drive the Tameless car back to her family's house and they alert the family that she has passed. Now the whole family is like a million times suspicious.

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And like, she doesn't like it when her socks get wet and stuff. And she was just wearing her socks. And she wasn't wearing her shoes. Now, balconies, I mean, they can get wet, they can get dirty, they can get pretty nasty. And like, it sounds really dumb, because of course, you're gonna be like, well, you know, it sounds like a lot of work

to like go to the front door, get your shoes, go to the back, like maybe shoes just like having a good time because she's like she's a partying and stuff, right? But I mean when people know you people know you like it's like me with like I refuse to talk in the morning without brushing my teeth It would it would take a lot for me to talk like my fiance's not gonna be like Maybe she just like really wanted to tell like a podcast like right now, right when she woke up without brushing like it's just People know you so there is the you know the alternative that people are saying well maybe she was drunk so it raised her body temperature so she didn't feel hot at all but when you're talking

about someone from like the Caribbean in Florida who like really hates the cold I just can't really and she's like a tiny petite woman and so he was like okay well can I see some like crime scene photos because I want to see how like my daughter felt right yeah and so the can I see some like crime scene photos? Because I want to see how like my daughter felt, right? Yeah. And so the officer had showed him some crime scene photos and the dad is immediately like there's like no blood anywhere Like I just don't understand and so the officers are like, yeah, like that's why they we sent her body to the GBI Right? Otherwise, we would have just sent it to our like Corners office and they told him about the theory about how like she probably didn't fall from the balcony

And she probably tripped on like the little ledge of the landscaping and then had a seizure. Or had a seizure and then tripped. You get it, a small trip. And so they were like, well, we won't know until the autopsy results come back in. And then the results come back in. And it makes things even more confusing. You're like, okay, finally, we're going to get some clarity. No, we're not.

So toxicology reports show that her blood alcohol level was Point 24 which is three times the legal drinking amount. So this is pretty high So if I had that legal like that limit of alcohol in my blood like I'd be blacked out like I'd be drunk I'd be slurring and I'd probably be like, you know, dizzy and shit But also everyone has a very different tolerance. And nobody at the party said that she was slurring. Nobody at the party said that she was tripping around or like acting drunk.

So that's a little kind of a little weird. So I don't know necessarily. I know a lot of the times, like when I see people commenting on this case, they're like, oh, that's a crazy amount. Like if you Google it, it'll say that you lose your motor function, you start to feel sick. Like your body starts reacting like this. But I've seen some people down some shit.

Okay. So I really think it depends. Now, there also was evidence of weed and zanix in her system. So the zanix is very interesting because I feel like we all knew that she was smoking weed. Not a big deal, right? Okay. Well, I don't want to encourage people to smoke weed, but you get it. It's not the end of the world. So she did have a little bit of zanix in her system, and it was a really small amount.

So she does not have a prescription for Xanax. There were no pill bottles in her possession. She had no pills in general in her possession. She had no bottles in general in her possession that could have Xanax. Like she didn't have like those, you know, little pill packets or anything. And so anyone who knew her said that she didn't take Xanax at all. And so there's a speculation for such a small amount of Xanax sounds like something that was slipped into a drink. It was such a small amount.

It didn't seem like she took it. Like someone was like, hey you want to try this? Like it was such a small amount. That's a speculation. Like medically speaking, I don't know. Like I mean I could totally ask my pharmacist sister and get back to you and like look at the toxicology reports and see like exactly How much was there and I don't know how it works like does it wear off, you know within a couple of hours But people were saying it just didn't seem like enough that she took it like oh, let me pop this pill to have fun So like that's where people are like wow, that's a really small amount fun. So like that's where people are like wow that's a really small amount. Now her right wrist was broken. She did have a 1-inch laceration on the inside of her wrist which was the part where he was speculating was it self-inflicted.

He doesn't know right? No one asked you Jose first of all. And so it's kind of hard to say if the bone had protruded out of her wrist when it broke and that's why she had a small laceration or if it was a separate injury. So I'm not sure if like she broke her wrist but also there was a cut in her wrist or like it happened with the fall. So other injuries. She's got laceration on her left arm. She's got bruises and laceration on her fingers, specifically her thumb and her pointer finger and the shins of her legs. She had severe injuries to her head. She had bleeding inside of her brain. She had neck injuries as well as torso injuries. She did have very superficial injuries as

well. So she had small little cuts on her forehead, her chin, above her left eye, the bridge of her nose, the right temple. This is a little weird because she was found with her nose straight into the ground pretty much, but like those kind of superficial injuries feels like it would happen more if she kind of like fell and then dragged her head a little bit. I mean, I can't really speculate, but it's just people think of thought. She also had a C2 fracture, which a C2 fracture is very, it's almost like when you get internally decapitated. What?

It's like when you're, you fracture the bones that's like literally connecting from your head to your neck. And the way that it usually happens is if your head snaps up and then back really quick. So up and then back. So it could be consistent with someone landing really forcefully on their chin to the point where it would fracture your C2. But apparently, it's not a really common, common thing. Now, she also had injuries to the right ventricle of her heart. So this, again, is very consistent

with serious blunt force trauma. Usually, in car crashes, it is from what I can Google. Like usually people will have this if they're in like major car crashes. But it's weird because like none of our ribs were broken. Like it just is really odd. Like people were saying it's just a very misfitting injury. It just didn't make sense to a lot of people. Now another thing that really didn't make sense even more so than that

is that the medical examiner said that no facial bones were broken. So if you slam your face that hard into the ground, your teeth usually get shattered or falls off or something happens to your teeth, okay? Like your teeth aren't just gonna be like, he, he, he, look at me, I'm so cute, still, right? There's usually stuff that happens with your tongue,

and typically this is very common in falling injuries, you bite your tongue. There's usually some damage on your tongue, that's like a human thing for some reason to bite your freaking tongue. There's usually stuff happening in your nasal cavity, but there was pretty much no damage in any of those areas. So the coroner decided that the cause of death was multiple blunt force injuries attributed to a fall from a great height. They did not believe that she had tripped and fell from the landscaping ledge on the bottom floor. They believed that this could only be done from a fall from a great height. Now there's differing opinions on this autopsy results. The first one being that there's a group of people who believe that her injuries

are way too severe. They're like 14 feet. Like what? That's really intense, like you don't you think someone like Did these blunt force trauma injuries on her like and then just kind of like pushed her off because it just seemed really intense A lot of people said this is this is too many injuries for a 14 foot fall, right now there were a lot of them From the reddit threat that I saw there were a lot of like medical people Well, they claim to be and they said it's not too uncommon of like medical people, will they claim to be? And I said, it's not too uncommon. They said you'd be surprised at how even short falls can really, really damage people. So I, I not really in that group, the group that I'm in is that these aren't really, you don't, you don't have the expected injuries that you expect someone to have.

So like, it's weird because all of the other injuries, it makes sense. Like, I can even see where, like, the C2 was fractured because, like, maybe she hit her chin and then it caused it to go up. She did land face down, right? If that didn't happen. Like, I can see all of those. But I also don't understand how her nose wasn't broken. I don't understand how her lips not busted.

There was no evidence of blood or bleeding inside of her mouth, like she didn't bite her tongue, like, nothing happened to her teeth Like that part to me is just weird like you're telling me she fell 14 feet straight onto her face Then what could be the trauma then if she didn't fall I don't know Right what other Trauma can cause this kind of damage so we'll get into it But it gets a little weird Again with C2 vertebrae injuries from lay there's a- I don't know shit about shit okay. I don't know

anything about the medical field. I don't know anything about my bod. Everyone I can see it makes sense that the tongue usually would be bitten with something as severe as like a C2 vertebrae injury. It just- it's weird, it's so weird. Like there's no chip teeth but here's what's even weirder There's no foreign matter in her mouth and her nose like anywhere no dirt no grass Okay, so that's a little weird too for me. I mean just all of it's weird now Here's what suspicious about the autopsy number one that like the injuries are all suspicious It's all weird, you know nobody's like a hundred percent, yeah, no, I feel good about this one, right?

And then number two is that no photos were taken during the autopsy, which is not normal at all. So autopsy photos, I feel like in the true crime world, we don't really talk too much about them because we don't really, they're not really released to the public. A lot of the times they are shown to juries to show like, hey, these are the injuries. Like they essentially take photos because that's the evidence for the findings. You can't say that she had a laceration on her right wrist and then people just like take your word for it.

Usually, all medical examiners will take a picture of that laceration on her right wrist to put into the file. But no photos were taken. This is so weird to the point where people are saying that the only reason a medical examiner or an a corner would not take photos is because they were strictly told not to. It's not someone's like, oh, I'm just old school,

I don't take photos. Is that even legal not to take photos is what I don't understand, right? Yeah, like people are just like, what? None of that makes sense. Yeah? None of that makes sense. Yeah. None of that makes sense. But like they were just like, nope, there's no photos.

Why? Yeah, exactly. Why? They have not given an answer to that. OK. So like, I can't think of any reason at all other than they just want you to take their word for it. I think those photos would have shown people,

that looks weird. Like that doesn't look like something that would happen with a fall from a balcony. But now because we don't know all of these crazy technical terms, we could just be like, oh no, it makes sense to like hurt your chest and like, you know, get a little superficial wound here. Like what does that even mean, right?

Like I wanna see photos, you know? Like I feel like that that really shows like I'm not saying it should be released to the public But like this should be something that's done, but it wasn't done So that's really frustrating okay really frustrating and then let's talk about the falls So a lot of people were debating this to fall is to lose balance. Yes, like can we all agree on that, right? Yeah, how high is the balcony? 14 feet. No, no, no, the railing. Ah, three and a half feet.

And Tamla was five and one inch. That's insane. So Pete, most of her body weight was under the railing. Yeah. So to fall is to lose balance. So what they say are said usually and woman's balance is point is lower than that right? They said that you fall with like three consistent ways that people have seen right the first consistent way is to fall on your feet And this is really rare the only time people fall on their feet is with intentional jumping whether it's suicidal or jumping off a

Cliff because you want to go cliff jumping, right? You fall on your feet. Or the second thing is to fall on your sides. This is like the most common. If you were falling from a 14 story building, you will probably land on your side. I guess there's like something like study show that like you try to move your body in a certain way as you're falling to try to like protect yourself, I guess. So a lot of people fall on their sides and then they might after they fall like tip to their back or tip to their front. And then another thing is to fall head first, like head bump the ground because you've just been tipped over. Falls from one to two stories, they're a little different because you usually fall head first because it's usually a loss of balance. And you don't have enough time to reposition yourself to fall on your sides whereas if you were to fall off like a 10th 10th story balcony you could position yourself while you're falling right

and so that would mean that there would be extensive school fractures now Tamah had problems like not problems but she had injuries to her brain she did have like brain bleeding but she didn't have insane school fractures So people thought that was weird and her weight distribution is all under the railing and even when the police went up to the railing They said that she would really really have to lean over and they were taller than her Like you'd have to really lean over to feel like oh Like why would she be leaning over in the first place? Someone's calling her at the bottom. Okay, okay, don't freak me out.

Okay, so the first theory of leaning over in the first place was that maybe she was leaning over to vomit because she had been drinking, but there was no vomit found below. There's also no reports that there was vomit inside her, like, lungs and her throat, because I'm assuming if she was literally right about to vomit and leaned over and then she felt like that that would have been something that the autopsy would have noted. But there was, I couldn't find any of that. So that was kind of the first thing. The second thing was like she dropped something and she tried to lean over, but that doesn't

make any sense. But nothing, there's nothing. Yeah, there was nothing found, but also like if you drop something off a first story railing, you're not going to try to like pinky it up with your fingers like you can't reach it like you know you can't reach it that doesn't make any sense so then the official statements this is where it gets even weirder you thought it was weird but it gets weirder up until this point I was still like you know what this is the police you know this is them fucking out the investigation honestly they could

do way better but I can kind of see how this could be ruled an accident, right? Until the official statements and then I was just like, oh, no, like no Okay, so the official statements were not given by any of the witnesses until weeks after the death that immediately is cool Not cool and then the second thing that's really not cool is they weren't done at the police station They weren't done at the sheriff's office, they were done at Jean's house. They just like they were like, hey, Jean's friends, you want to come over to our house and we'll just like interview you. And I don't like that because I wish there was like we have transcripts of everything. But I

really wish they were just like interrogated. I don't know why I just feel like if there was some pressure on them, that many people involved if there was pressure I feel like we could get to If there is something being hidden we can find what's hidden, but there was no pressure They were just like let's meet at jeans house. It'll be fun. They said right and so the one thing that everyone keeps saying in their transcripts Is that yeah, well she's the only smoker and the same phrase is used and I don't like that like it's weird It's confusing. I mean it's one thing to be like oh And I don't like that. Like it's weird, it's confusing. I mean, it's one thing to be like, oh, I don't really smoke.

So they were like smoking or like, oh, I don't really smoke. She was out smoking or to be like, oh, I think she went to go smoke. But to constantly say, well, she's the only smoker. So she went out to smoke. It was just odd, right? That's really odd. Now there are alleged reports that there were two kinds

of lighters and cigarettes found on the balcony, different brands. So two lighters and two different brands of cigarettes. What does that mean? Like, was Tamla just like, oh no, I like to mix and match. Like, I like to try different things. Like, that doesn't make any sense. I've been friends with cigarette smokers, and by the way, Tamla was not a habitual cigarette smoker. She was what people called like a social smoker. Like she would smoke and drink sometimes, but never like she, it didn't seem like she was like crazy into smoking, which I don't know why that would even

matter in the first place, right? And yeah, I just think that's weird. Usually people stick to their brand, especially when it comes to smoking. And so that was a report. I can't find it in the official documents, but a lot of people have reported it So I feel like it might be true. Now the question is if there were that many different cigarette butts, right?

There would be DNA all over them. So why don't the police just test the DNA? Maybe the police are like, what's the point in testing the DNA? But I feel like it's kind of could be interesting because we could see who maybe was smoking with tamla. Like did she have a smoke buddy? Of course. Right, but again, I don't know if there even was two kinds of cigarettes because I couldn't find it in the official report, but if you guys can find it, I mean, it's a behemoth, there's like five, 600 pages released that are officially released or whatever, so it's a lot. If you can find it, let me know.

Now the friends also reported, some of them said that they had actually taken Tamless Phone and her keys. So the police were like, why did you take her phone and why did you take her keys? And they were like, well, she wanted to leave and we were like, oh my God, you're so drunk, you can't drive right now, you're gonna hurt yourself. So we were trying to protect her,

like the good friends that we are. And so we took her keys. Now here's what's weird, why did you take her phone? you can't drive right now, you're gonna hurt yourself. So we were trying to protect her like the good friends that we are. And so we took her keys. Now here's what's weird. Why did you take her phone? Because she, if she really wanted to leave, she could have called her husband. She could have called the new bird, like it's 2018.

Mm-hmm. Why did you take her phone? Like the key thing, I respected. Wait, wasn't the stuff just in the counter? Yeah, they said they had taken away from her briefly. And so they were like, yeah, she kept wanting to go home. Now, there's a couple things weird about this. First thing, why did you take her phone? She could have called her husband, gotten a new birth. Second thing, fine, take her keys. That one, I have nothing to argue with, right? The third thing is, why

did she want to leave? Like, she was really excited for this slumber party. What made her want to leave? Did something happen? That's suddenly she wanted to leave? Like she was really excited for this silver party. What made her want to leave? Did something happen? That's not only she wanted to leave, was she uncomfortable for some reason? Why did she even want to leave in the first place? I mean sure, you could be like, well, she probably just missed her kids, right?

But it's just weird, especially because later, Jean is going to talk about how like, Tam is such a party girl and like, just wanted to stay up all night, because she's having like the time of her life. And it's just like, she wanted to leave at one point like that doesn't make sense. So everyone agrees to the fact that Tam wanted to leave at one point in the night whether it was earlier or later I can't really get like the nobody really has like a time

point but everyone just says at one point in the evening she wanted to leave and they said you drank too much and they wouldn't let her leave. Now, a bunch of the party people also said that they woke up in the morning and started cleaning up, which is weird because Madeline said that she was the first person up in the morning, but now everyone's just cleaning, conveniently cleaning a potential crime scene in the morning. Like, it's just weird, right? And so that was very, very odd. Then people kept saying that she constantly went out to smoke

and sometimes the police wouldn't even ask questions about it. And they would just bring it up in their transcripts. And it's just really weird. Now, another party goer had reportedly told the police. And I couldn't find this in the official transcripts. So maybe it happened just off the transcript to just an incident report. But one of the party goers reportedly had said,

well, I left before it went down. Now, obviously this could be really bad wording, but I've never really used that in terms of an accident. Like I've only ever used that saying, like when shit went down, like people started fighting, like shit got it crazy. I left before it went down. Like it went down, usually, like it's like I left the club before it went down. Like it went down usually.

Like it's like I left the club before it went down and then like people like, oh yeah, they fucking fought at the club. Like I don't know, like that's the only time I remember using stuff like that. I left before it went down. But a lot of people, I know I know it sounds like we're just like a bunch of creepy internet dudes

that are like nitpicking every little thing in the air right now, but it's just like a collection of everything. If it was honestly like one thing or the other, I'd be like, okay, like 2020 people are getting crazy now, you know, but it's just it's weird, everything's weird. And so Madeline, let's talk about her official statement because she is the one that found the body first, like saw the body first, right? So this is Jean's aunt. And she said that she was the first one up in the morning. She said that she was making coffee or trying to make coffee, then she saw a tam and she said a prayer went upstairs to wake them up, but she heard the water running,

assumed someone was taking a shower, and then this contradicts because Jose and Jean say that they were woken up in the middle of their deep sleep. Later Jose will even say that he woke up early and was cleaning already and so people are like, what get your story straight? Now in the middle of her official statement she's still saying the same shit like her story didn't change too much right so she's still saying the same shit she's like, oh I wasn't really involved in the party like I had met everyone I had met Tamla and then I went downstairs and I like put my sleep machine on because it was like loud upstairs blah blah blah walk up blah blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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Get out of my head. Like get out of my head. Like, you're like messing with my train of thought, maybe? I don't know. What? And then she says this, look what I just went and got y'all, gift cards. But then I was told I shouldn't because it would look bad to give you something before the case was closed. Now, here's where people are really pissed and mean to. First of all, really bold of you to assume that the case is going to get closed.

Like really bold, like I don don't know like that's just weird Yeah, you know first of all why are you even giving them things, you know that the What so she came me at a time that this was being all recorded but I feel like she knew oh She knew yeah, she didn't care. I feel like she didn't care Oh wow Like it's just really what the fuck like why are you so nonchalant like why are you going around buying gift cards right now Like someone died in your house, you know, I just don't understand I mean okay, so a lot of people argue that maybe she's just eager for the case to be closed because yeah

I'm sure it's like your life is stressful You're grieving you wanted to return to normal. It's really hectic. There's police everywhere all the time It's just really bad, but if it were me if that were my house I'd really like to know what happened because this is my house and if I'm innocent I want to get to the bottom of this like did one of my freaking alleged friends do this like did my boyfriend do this like what happened in my home Is there a is there a missing leg on my balcony that people just like fall off now like I would like to get to the bottom of this But she's just like yeah like I'm get I got you gift cards, you know And then it's just like it's weird like this is a police interview

Why are you interrupting first of all like what are you doing and then she goes on to say I know it's like really typical because you know All cups all cups of Duncan donuts and I know it's like really typical because you know all cops love Dunkin' Donuts and the officers just like, uh-huh. And then she's just like, anyways, do you need me? Or can I go upstairs and get ready for this funeral? She's talking about Tamla's funeral. She says this funeral, oh my god, when I read that. And the officer says, go do your thing like what

They're way too casual about all of this what the fuck and then the officer just says so anyway and Continues with the interview and I'm just like why are you even doing this at her home? Yeah, why like what is the reason? And so then Gene story is just a bunch of shit too So gene in the beginning she's like yeah, I'm stacey organized the party like my two friends Sarah Nicole They left around 10 30 p.m. Right? They were the first ones to leave the party 10 30 p.m. They did not sleep over and now we don't even know why they left Some reports say that they got to take care of their own kids. Some reports say they've got puppies. It's like a puppy situation. I don't know which one it is. Or maybe they're like the type of people who call their puppies their kids. I don't know, okay.

And then Tamla, she came late around 8.30 pm. Well, so I mean, she had seen them for a couple hours and then they left. Bridget leaves around 1.47 a.m. her husband came to pick her up. She was the last one to see Tamla alive. Marcy leaves around 4-10am to like a weekend job. So she like has to wake up early. Paula leaves at 7-45am. Tom and Stacey leave at 8-30am, like 15 minutes before I guess Madeline wakes up so like did they, I mean I guess it maybe they didn't go to the kitchen at the backyard but it's just yeah. So that's the timing, right? Now, Jean also goes to say that Tamla had tried to convince everyone to stay up with her, but everyone was just so tired. You know, Tam kept saying like, no, it's like finally my time being

with girls. Like I live in a house full of guys, like guys like they'd stay up. And everyone was like, no, I gotta wake up early. So they all went to bed. That's Jean's story, right? And she also says that Tamla has been drinking Tequila the entire night. And she kept saying that. She also said that she noticed in the morning that the bottle of Tequila was not very full. So her belief is that Tamla drank it all by herself,

almost the entire bottle by herself. She also kept referring to Tamla as being face planted on the ground outside the balcony. So face planted, that word is kind of important. Again, it sounds like I'm a nitpicking little beets, right? But it's just all of this combined. So face planting, it's just kind of a disrespectful way of saying things, but also it insinuates that she was black out drunk. I see. I see. Someone eats shit because they're drunk. You know, someone face plants because they're drunk. I know someone face plants because they're drunk

I see you know, it's all like these little small things right There is this part that really bothered me which is Gene even told the police that she didn't like the fact that Tamla smoked weed because you know Jose is in law enforcement and None of them wanted to get in trouble and they're all like law abiding citizens except for Tamla, right? And then she also said that she, but she was nice about it. So Jean teased Tamla for being the female Bob Marley. What? Yeah. So I mean, I don't know that in the whole from the islands.

Kind of got me a little triggered. Maybe I'm a little sensitive right now. But like, imagine I like music and someone's like, oh my god. You like the female Jungkook? Like, that's crazy. Because I'm Korean and I like one thing that this other Korean person likes, and you know them because they're okay. That's just that. Okay, moment, right? So they had an okay moment. Now, this is how the police handle interviews, that there's transcripts for, imagine how they handle the crime scene, just food for thought, okay? The crime scene, we don't really have,

like all of that extent, like we've got word-for-word transcripts, or at least we probably do, right, of these interviews. The crime scene, I can't imagine how much they botched that, right? So the official interview of Jane, it gets weird. From the get go, it's weird. So she said that her aunt always goes outside to adjust to Atlanta weather because her aunt's not from Atlanta. So she said that Madeline's not Atlanta and she needs to go outside to like, experience the Atlanta weather first thing in the morning. But that kind of goes against Madeline saying because

she said that she never went outside. She just like went upstairs to make coffee. And so she's saying that Madeline went outside, saw James bought or saw Tam's body on the ground. Like she went to the balcony, like not the balcony, but underneath it where Tam was, because that's she lives in the basement, right? And then she went back inside and then Jean is saying that Madeline, her aunt, washed her face and then prayed because she thought she was seeing things and then went back outside and then Tamla was still there so then she went upstairs to wake them up.

But like none of that makes sense because like why did she never mention washing her face? She said that she went to go see coffee. She said she saw through the window over the balcony like she never said. I mean, I just don't understand But then also you're saying that you were dead asleep But then she's saying that she heard you showering. I mean, it's just all weird, right? And then so she's like yeah

So anyway, as my aunt came in she wanted to talk to Jose because she said it was really bad And then when I got there I went downstairs. So she's saying now they're all outside near Tamless body And she says when I got there I stayed on the gravel because I just I couldn't like she's like I couldn't all outside near Tamla's body. And she says, when I got there, I stayed on the gravel because I just, I couldn't. Like she's like, I couldn't go close to Tamla's body, right? So then she claims that she handed Jose the phone so that he could call 911. That doesn't make sense,

because she was the first person to talk to 911 and we have the proof of that. Like we have the receipt, right? Fine, whatever. And then she says that Jose touched Tam's back which he also said he did right and then she said to Jose she's telling the police this I told him not to touch her but he said he had to so then he touched her back and then he tried to bend her leg and her leg wouldn't bend so then

Jose turned around and said rigor mortor Mortis has already said in, she's gone. First of all, what in the fucking Sherlock Holmes you think this is, Jose? Like, I am never, I am never, okay, first of all, I've never been in this situation, but I can never imagine you walking up to someone who died, possibly died, on our property and going, Rigor Mortis has already said in, she's gone. Like, what? Like, you think you're on CSI or some shit?

Like, what are you doing, sir? And then she said that she became hysterical at this point. Like, oh my god, right? Now, a lot of people hate this statement. Like, this entire thing, because first of all, why would you say don't touch her? You guys don't know if she's dead yet. If someone was laying face down on my property,

I'd be like, can we find out what happened to them? Are they alive? Can we try to save them? Maybe they're just passed out. Maybe they're just drunk. There wasn't even a lot of blood. So there's no indication that this person is bleeding and it's like blood out.

Like at this point, how do they even know that she's dead? You know? And so that's just really weird. The fact that she lied and said, oh, you just gave my phone a Jose and like had him call 911 That's just like a weird lie. Like are you not even getting the stories straight or like are you confused? Are you just an unreliable person? I don't know, right? Because we literally heard her talk to 911 now. What's even weirder is the fact that she's claiming that Jose said

Rigor Mortis has already said it and she's gone because on the 911 call He did not confirm like that like at the end. He was just like, oh, I completely no idea and she's gone because on the 9-1-1 call he did not confirm like that like at the end He was just like oh, I've completely no idea if she's breathing. So it's really weird Now this is the part that gets even weirder Gene says that both of her arms were by her side, Timeless But remember how in the beginning I told you that the officers found one of her arms up in the air to look it looked like she braced her fall So the officer is saying but when we came one of our arms is up like this. Correct.

And she said? And she said, no, they were both by her side. So then the officer said. Why does she, it sounds like she's like telling everything super loosely. Yeah, and then, yeah. She doesn't care about the facts. Yeah, and there's no pressure for her too.

This is in the comfort of her home. And every time she says in bullshit, literally the transcript, the officer just goes, right. So I'm just like, okay. It's pretty crazy. Like, I've seen so many police interviews where the police are like slamming their face down.

And I'm like, whoa, what the fork? That's too much. And then this dude's just like, right. Cool. So about that gift card. So then who moved her arm? Because you're saying that you saw her with both of her arms by her side, but when we came, one of her arms was up and we believed that that arm was the arm that like braced

her fall. And she's like, I think maybe like one of my friends was probably mistaken, but she landed with both of her arms on her side with her toes pointed out almost. And she said that the image was burned into her mind. She said that her hands were perfectly by her mind. She said that her hands were perfectly by her side and that this is a direct quote. This is a direct quote I repeat because you're not going to believe me. Jean says and like all my stuff is based on law and order and CSI so it's not really a good reference point but I was just shocked at how she was

laying. Like can you and then he just goes right like can you Like can you imagine someone like died in your house and you're just like so anyways I just like thought I was weird because like when I watched law in order I've never seen something like that happen and then like it happened in my backyard and then I was like wow I was just shocked at how she was laying there like what are you? This woman is way too comfortable like miss go oh and by the way the whole interview she calls officer Christian Mike That's his name. It's first name I don't she is way too comfortable I just don't get it. Yeah, uh-huh. Is she single? Uh-huh. Well, no, she's dating Jose 27 year old Jose

Okay, well, you know and so officer Christian had asked if Tam was the only one who smoked weed, right? This is where you're going to get mad. She says, but if you're going to get me on record, okay, let me get the quote actually. So Officer Christian says, okay, what? When you were talking about smoking weed, did she smoke marijuana here? And she says, she did out there because I went and I fussed. Because you know I said oh speak of the devil can't talk now. I said you have lost your mind.

I live here because I used to tease her. I'm like you're the female Bob Marley and I said you've lost your mind. Jose is down there and he would not be okay because he's a law enforcement and don't get me in a fight over this dumb stuff. I actually think I said this dumb shit because I'm like Don't do this and she said oh my god. I remember you told me that last weekend So there was a Halloween party last weekend, okay, and Tomla was there and she had been with she and there and all the kids were there

This is gonna come up later in Bridget statement and I guess freaking nuts, okay? Okay, this is the crazy part, right? She starts framing Tomla. Like, she's full on just like, she's like, by the way, if this is on the record, let me just spread some rumors, okay? Like, super high school stuff. So she says, but if you're getting me on the record,

when you talk to other people, Diana or whatever, when she spoke with Paula, this is not said to me just so you follow up. Like, don't wrap me out pretty much is what she's saying. She asked Paula, do you know that like Tomla did Coke or anything else? And Paula said, not that I know of. I don't even know that she, I was unaware if she even did that. So that's not the only mention that I heard of it, but to be honest, that made my head think.

This made my head hurt. I'm so confused right now. So I don't know what's going on. Don't you see how she's saying like Diane told Paula, Diane told Paula, Paula told me and Paula told Diane, but don't tell Diane and Paula that I told you and Diane told Paula and Paula told me I said, Paella, yeah, that's food, sorry.

And like she's just pretty much literally saying some high school shit, like there's no evidence, there's no proof that Tamla does coke like pretty much telling a fucking police officer that she thinks tamla does coke and here's here's where she says her head thinks first of all okay this is the direct quote okay so that's the only mention I heard of that, but to be honest, that made my head think. Because I'm like, well, she drank that much tequila, and tequila, that's a depressant, and pot is a depressant.

But if you did that, talking about Coke, that you could drink tequila and still be, well, you know, she always had that much energy, so I never really thought anything of it. Pretty much saying, insinuating, implying to a police officer that Tamla has so much energy raising her kids, always energetic, always like at these football games, like with so much energy and happiness and positivity because she's coked up. That's fucking crazy. That is so fucking disrespectful and disgusting. Listen, you're talking about Tequila being a depressant. You are depressing right now. I'm depressed because of this entire quote. like, boop. And then she even says,

and I don't want to speak negative about her, but maybe she party a little too much, which is very contradicting because you literally just said that she begged you to stay up because she never gets to go out. So what is she? Is she a party girl that does coke all the time? Or is she a mom who literally is a mom 24 seven and finally got to go out for one night? So she's really happy and excited.

Does this sound like a 45-year-old woman. Yeah, yep. And then in the middle of the freaking interview, she gets a phone call and she picks it up and it's her friend and she's like, hold on a second. And she gets on the phone and she says, you need to go outside and wait for the baby mama because I don't want the baby mama step foot into my house. And then she tells the police officer, she's talking about her ex-husband's like new wife

or something. Like just, yeah, like she just sounds like, whoa, like what are you doing girl? Like just very high school shit, right? And then she starts flirting with the officers. So she's like, yeah, I took photos of that that night. And so the officers are like, oh, could you send us those photos as evidence, right? And the whole time she's like, okay, let me photos of that that night. And so the officers are like, oh, could you send us those photos as evidence, right?

And the whole time she's like, okay, let me get your numbers so I can save it. And then there's multiple officers in the room. And she's like, okay, like, oh, wait, I don't have your number. I have your number saved. And then she's like, okay, what's your number? And then they give her the number. And then she's like, cool, now I have you saved. And then she's like, it's just weird.

It's just weird. And I know it sounds like I'm laughing, but it's just so what the fork! Like are you at like a little networking event? What are you doing? You're literally giving a statement because someone died in your house! Yeah, yeah, it's so weird. And so then at the end of the interview, the police wanted it on record that they couldn't accept gift cards because it would look weird.

Again, I have so many problems with this. First of all, why didn't you tell her from the get-go? Why didn't you tell her the minute that she brought it up during Madeline's interview? Oh, like thanks, but no thanks, right? And then second of all, what do you mean because it would look weird? It wouldn't just look weird, it is weird.

It is weird, right? And she says, I understand what you're saying. Not even like, oh yeah, yeah, sorry, I don't know why I did that. Just like, no, I understand what you're saying. Not even like, oh yeah, yeah, sorry, I don't know why I did that. Just like, no, I understand what you're saying. Very odd. So then Jose, he gets interviewed. So he had a lot of story changes, right? And then obviously at the official statement,

because this was weeks after, he stuck to one story. But before all of the official statements, his story went from his first story, was that he saw Tamla at one in the morning debating whether to leave it not. Then he changed it up to, oh I saw her at one thirty in the morning and she specifically told me, I'm gonna go outside, have a smoke and then I'll sleep on the couch or upstairs in the guest bedroom. This is really convenient because later Jean will back up that story and now they will both

place Tamla to go have a smoke. They will both definitively say Tamla told us she was going to go have a smoke before she went to sleep. So then his story changes, I mean that's really weird. Then he told on the night when I called that he was woken up by Madeline and went downstairs and he saw her laying face down on the ground, right? But then later he tells a police officer that he was cleaning up in the morning and he found an unlit cigarette and lighter on the balcony, on the floor of the balcony,

and it belonged to Tamla. So maybe she had dropped it and then fell. So, I mean, I just, like the officers are like, so does that mean, when were you cleaning? I thought you were asleep. You know, that doesn't make any sense. And then later he changes his story to say that as he was walking to Tamla's body in the morning,

so he wakes up, Madeline wakes him up. He's walking to Tamla's body. He saw a cigarette and lighter on the balcony floor. And because he has OCD, he says, not diagnosed, but like, I have a CD, you know, that type of vibe. He has OCD, so he picked it up and set it aside. Can you imagine? Can you imagine someone told you

someone is literally laying face down, could be dead? And you're like, oh, fucking, let me just clean. My OCD's getting the best of me. Like, how are you even, and then another main thing with the official interview that they had problems with again is like, the police officer is asking him, like, who moved her arm then and even Jose verified that

both of Tamla's arms were by her sides so by her side just to give you some idea if Tamla fell with her arms by her side it seems like someone was unconscious and then pushed off of a balcony right whereas one arm up seems like oh she's trying to break her fall yeah so the police start asking about all of this and he's just kind of like not really giving them a straight answer. I mean, it's just really, really weird. Okay. So this is where Bridget's official statement comes in and Bridget, well,

all I can say is I felt like I was smoking weed listening to Bridget's part because it's just so out of this world. Narlie, I felt like Bridget's interview. it's just so out of this world gnarly. I felt like Bridget's interview. I wanted to really dive in because she was the last person to see Tamla alive. You know she kept saying Tamla walked me to the front door. She was the last person to see her alive. So was there any indication that something had happened?

Did she get into a fight with one of the other girls? Like what could have possibly happened? And her interview gave me absolutely jack shit. Her interview is literally like when you go to a job interview and they ask you what your biggest weakness is and then you go on a fucking tangent about like high school and like how you overcame struggles in college and then you're like, oh my god, what am I doing, right? And so he just asks one simple question about the party and she goes on, well I can only imagine to be God, tens of minutes of

a tangent about how she is the mother of the group. Like okay being a mom of the group is not a personality trait, Bridget. No offense. And so she just is like I'm the mom of the group. I never drank kids love me. Like she just goes on a tangent. She doesn't even talk about the actual night that the death happened but she kept referring to the weekend before where they had a Halloween party. I kid you, the fuck not. If these statements were not available online, you would not believe what I say. Because when she is asked about the actual night that Tamela died, somehow, somehow it leads

to a tangent about how she doesn't like to drink too much alcohol because she's the mom of the group. Kids are her first priority. She was a nanny for nine years. She's got children of her own. Kids love her and trust her. Last Halloween last week Halloween party, she was the star of all the kids because she used a power tool, a saw, to get the pumpkin seeds out. And she was a party hit. And all the kids loved, I fucking kid you not. Why is she like that?

Okay, so I have my suspicions. Either maybe this is just Bridget. Like maybe she was, I don't know, maybe this is just her personality, like this is who she is. Or she was really, really nervous. I mean, she might have just been nervous for the sheer fact that she was talking to the police. I'm not saying that she's guilty of anything. I'm just saying like she could have just been nervous, that she was talking to the police. But the reason that I think she was nervous was not necessarily because of that.

Because at one point in the interview, Bridget somehow lets it slip that she knows stuff that had happened after she had left, but she's not supposed to know that. So she was saying, yes, so then I left and then they said that she was like just like hanging out in the balcony and the police were like, wait, you're not supposed to know that because you guys aren't allowed to be talking to each other about that night. So then the police were like, but how would you know that because you left at 145 in the morning and now you're saying like, this was her actions after you left, but how would you know that?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Without talking to the other people of the group. And then she goes on another fucking tangent. So I think these tangents are like her nervous thing, honestly. Then she like goes on to like this whole rambling spree of like and then the power tools and then the saw and then the pumpkin and the kids love me and then you're just like what? Makes sense. Yeah.

Okay, so it was just a lot. Okay, so what came out of all of this though? Like what's happening at the real case at this point? And then they closed the case. They were like, it's an accident. Yeah, you're gonna get some out this point? And then they close the case. They were like, it's an accident. Yeah, you're gonna get so much. So that's pretty much all the statements.

Okay, so there's like 10 different statements of 10 different people. You can read through all of them. All of them are like 40 pages each, right? And so then we have official screenshots kind of that were released to the public. So the camera footage, that's the question everyone has because it's like listen these people are

wild these people we we they keep switching it up they keep saying different shit none of it's adding up so give us the camera footage like give us some footage that we can actually depend on and um there was no logs for that day so there was actually an email to officer Christian from Jean and she was referring him as Mike and she said, Oh, so weird. I must have deleted the video on accident I'm not tech savvy so I don't know if it's something that you can get back, but here's my username and my password Like you deleted the one thing that could be used to help solve this But then you also want to say like I mean like She makes it seem like she's helping the police by being like, oh, let me give you my username and password.

But it's like, after you delete it and wiped it of evidence, you're not. So that was this big thing that people were upset about. The tequila was also very stressful because the police for some reason they refused to test the tequila bottle. There was about an eighth full of tequila. In the tequila that everyone said Tamla was drinking. Why did they not text it, test it to see if there's any zannix and there are anything. But for some reason, they just wouldn't. Now for like months, no media coverage. No one was talking about it, not even locally

in Georgia apparently. There nobody was talking about it. And people were really pissed about this because being in true crime myself, I can definitely say that there is such a disproportion to how crimes are reported and how big certain crimes get. So there was absolutely no media coverage until Michelle Graves tams BFF. Remember her? For five and a half years, she met Michelle Graves in coming Georgia, became her BFF. She started going all the press because she was like absolutely not. And she was adamant. And she was saying, you know, every time we talk to any of the people at the party, they are giving us completely, constantly changing and conflicting stories. And it's just not okay. And, you know, when we ask them, like, why do you keep drinking your story? The party goers, they just keep saying,

well, naturally, of saying, well naturally, of course, different information comes out. Like the police lets us know different information. And obviously, we know more. So our story is a little different because like we know things that we didn't know before. Like they're trying to say that they're just like trying to give a clear story of what happened with the facts. But it's like, no, that's not what people want. Just give us your point of view so we can see exactly what actually happened. Yeah, like stop going off the plates You know, and they're all talking to each other So that's when Jean tried to get a restraining order on Michelle

Wow Yeah, it was obviously dismissed by the courts because there was no evidence that King Michelle was like stalking Jean or anything and she even sent a season to sis to Michelle She also tried to sue her. They're very su-happy, this group of friends. And this was definitely what I think is probably in just an intimidation tactic like to get a restraining order. All of these legal things, no one wants to pay a bajillion dollars in legal fees. It just doesn't look good for Jean, right? And allegedly authorities told the party goers if they're that scared of Michelle

Graves to get a gun permit. Now both parties have denied this. The party goers have denied that the authorities have said this. The authorities have denied that they've said this to the party goers, but I think that's pretty weird. Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, that's fucking nuts. It seems like they're buddy buddies, you know? And so then December 2018, this is kind of when like a month and a half ish later, this is when things really start blowing up. Like this is when it starts getting a lot of attention, but not even that much attention. So in 2018, it got big attention, but it blew up again in 2020 with everything happening with George Floyd. So this was bringing back all of the things that was like, hey, by the way, y'all fucked up here too.

And here, and here, let's talk about this since we're already talking about this, you know? Yeah, yeah. And so December 2018, it kind of blew up because Jose got put on administrative leave for investigation and using his position to access confidential files on a current investigation surrounding a death

in which he was a witness. He had accessed Tamless case like two to three times when that was not, he's not a lot of do that. So this was found by them, okay. He also had access the restraining order request that Jean had tried to put out on Michelle, which was weird. And so two days after the investigation was open and he was put on administratively, he was actually fired for loss of confidence.

Meaning they're like, we don't think you're confident to actually do your job because what are you doing? And so a lot of people think that that's how their stories kept changing because he would go into the police logs, look at what the police are thinking and saying, and then they would change their story to make it make sense best with the police. Yeah. And so at this point Michelle starts getting sued. I mean the friends start suing Michelle. So then she ends up going to the police station and she had gathered a lot of information using her own Facebook page.

She had printed out tons of private information, including private messages, private messages with Tamla regarding Tamla messages from other people that were sent to her and she gave this to a police officer and then it fucking went missing. And it has a lot of Michelle's own sensitive information on there that she entrusted with the Forsyth County Police Department so in hopes that her best friends, very suspicious death could be put to a, you you know put to rest. It just disappeared Wow I mean obviously like she still has all these stuff on her Facebook

But like how nasty of a feeling to have all of this information who I don't know who has it How do you know that these people aren't buddy buddy like you don't know any of that anymore? Yeah, and then immediately once the media attention started getting big, February of 2019, they officially closed the case. This motherfucker, his name is Joe Perkins of Forsyth County's Sheriff's Office. He said that no injuries aligned with foul play. This is his direct quote. It was a party.

They were drinking. She was drinking. Most of the party goers had gone about at the time and she was on the deck alone. How do you know that? How do you know that? How do you know that? Because the door opened. Is that how you know that?

Because nobody else smokes but her. Is that how you know that? How do you know that? Let us know how you know that. You know? And so then once they closed the case, everything shut down. All the party goers lawyer the fork up. Like they already had lawyer it up, but this was like full on like,

psh, yeah, it was bad. And so all of them lawyer it up, they just kind of like shut that shit down. Now July of 2020, the Tamla's family lawyer, Ralph Fernandez, had actually dropped a letter to the public. And around this time was, you know, there was already a lot of, a lot of like outrage. There was a change.org petition that had close to 600,000 signatures on it.

So that's also why they're reopening the case. It's been reopened? It's reopened, but don't get too excited, right? Because let me tell you. So Ralph Hernandez, he dropped a letter and it says, and this is the direct quote, because it's a freaking powerful letter. The law firm did a review on Tameless Death, right? So they said, the review reflects that a homicide is a strong possibility. Witness statements are in conflict. A potential suspect handled the body

as well as the evidence prior to the law enforcement arrival. Evidence was disposed of and no inquiry followed. The scene was not preserved, evidence was inappropriately handled, the investigation was compromised by unauthorized access and disclosure to potential targets and witnesses. A remarkable fact is that there are no photographs taken during the autopsy of the body. This would have been done at someone's directive because such a practice is unheard of. It appears Tamla was involved in a struggle. There were abrasions noted consistent with that scenario. There were parallel scratches on each arm. So like, it looked like there were, those could have been signs of a struggle. Since there, there were no fresh photos

that could have proven recent use of defensive force, but having no photos, it is to our detriment, like it's essentially saying, like, if they had photos, they could say, like, these look like defensive wounds. Otherwise, we just have abrasion to the arm, you know, what the fuck is that? There was one X-ray, yet the injury noted as the cause of death appears nowhere in the X-ray. The town of coming has a history that raises eyebrows. After conducting my extensive review,

I've come to the conclusion that the truth never had a chance here. Here we are fighting an uphill battle because those who wear the badges and were trusted with the investigative task failed you, but this is not over, it will never be over, be strong, be safe, we will get through this. And this was a letter sent from the family attorney to the family. And it was released to the public. So they're just saying like, what? So 600,000 people had signed the petition for change.org for reopening the case on Tamla Horthford.

And June 2020, the sheriff of Forsyth County asked the Georgia Bureau of Investigation to open the investigation. And they said it would be best if the GBI were to handle it. And they said that they would be fully willing to cooperate to any questions that they had, which sounds very cute, right? Sounds like, oh, finally, right? But not really, because the GBI said, we're looking at everything. So if there is information, particularly new information that's out there, we are encouraging people to come forward. They have no definitive plans

on when they are going to get the case running, what they're going to do, really nothing. Also new information, what about all the information you guys mishandled? So are you literally just saying like we're going to reopen the case? So like if you have someone who confessed something to you or like if you have someone who suddenly seasons like they have a motive like talk to us like What do you mean? Yeah, what do you mean? The family attorney wants the FBI to be handling the case. They do not trust the Georgia Bureau of investigation So that's it. That's the latest. It's reopened, but I don't even know what that means That's so crazy. I'm just so shocked at how all these party girls reaction to something like this You know even if you're innocent, I just can't imagine someone has the balls

Yeah, to act the way that they're acting right right? Like they're just so nonchalant and casual about everything. I just know how they have the emotional capacity to act like that. Yeah, like they, the way they talk about everything is just so unreal. Yeah. Like it's like one day in a lawyer up, like when I get it. I feel like, yeah, I do see, I do see how, you know, the way they treated it at the beginning is so casual. Maybe they really thought this is no big deal. And I see that now, since they lower it up, there's no updates from their statements. You don't hear them talking anymore, but they didn't lower it up at the beginning because they really thought it's not going to get this big.

And why is that? Yeah, I mean, yeah. I feel like we know why that is, because I just can't imagine someone dying, and then you being like, this is a casual thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How can you think that? Exactly.

Now, I do know that all of the party goers have been receiving some death threats here and there. So, please don't be that person. I hate putting those disclaimers, because it's like, I would hope that the people watching me know not to do that. Because that's just not... What is that gonna do? That's not...

That's literally doing nothing for Tamla or her family. That's just making everyone miserable. I know that I shat on them quite a bit here. I am saying, I feel like people know more than they're letting on. I feel like there was fault on both parties. I think that the feel like people know more than they're letting on. I feel like there was fault on both parties. I think that the police, I mean technically this was their job, so I feel like they have the big part of the blame because you are getting paid to do this and you did it so horrendously. And I feel like it is the blame of these party goers because

this is a human that we're talking about. This is even if you're not best friends with this person, you know this person. Even if you is even if you're not best friends with this person You know this person even if you don't even know this person. It's a person. How can you treat someone's death? So like anyway like I heard you she's doing coke like what are you kidding? Let me know what are your thoughts on this case? This one was a behemoth. I tried Because it was such an emotional case there was a lot of misinformation out there. So I really wanted to go through most of the court documents to get the information but those court documents, I mean their court

documents, they were not fun, they were really intense, they weren't, they were a lot of words that I didn't know. So if I got anything that was a little bit wrong or messed up or like phrase differently, please let me know so that I can make a correction. But what are your thoughts? And I hope you guys enjoyed today's podcast and I will see you guys next week. And I'm sorry for getting so emotionally riled up. Bye. Bye.