Rotten Mango - #59: The Pig Farm Serial Killer (Case - Robert Pickton)

Episode Date: April 28, 2021

Did you know pigs will eat anything? The Pickton Pig Farm - was isolated, private, had its own slaughterhouse equipped with commercial freezers, and hundreds of very hungry pigs.  The farm was well known by locals for many things - mainly the smell that radiated from it… but soon it would be known by the whole world.  For where 49 women get murdered…   Source Notes: rottenmangopodcast.com To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Butter being butterboot. Ooh, that one was good. This is like his fifth one. Hi, welcome to this week's main podcast. We're talking about Robert Willie Picton and I'm really glad to be doing this podcast in the sense that I have been through this for the past couple of weeks now. Just, I mean, this monster of a book that I read. I reread so many of the chapters that I would comfortably say that I probably read this book twice in the past couple of weeks. I watched a documentary. I mean, I sat there and really immersed myself into the Picton life and I never want to go there again. So the book in question is on the farm Robert William Picton and the tragic story of the Vancouver's missing woman by Steady Cameron who is this amazing investigative

journalist in Canada who wrote this I think it's like a 700 page book about the Pictons about the Picton farm the pig farmer the serial killer in Canada that was caught in 2002, just absolute chaos. And I will say that the book itself is kind of confusing because, I mean, the case is confusing. So we've got this really chaotic pig farmer and he is an active serial killer. We've got a ton of sex workers going missing in Vancouver, a ton of them are indigenous, which then calls into the question of why are there so many indigenous women going missing all across the world, specifically a lot in Canada, and the police don't do anything

about it. So there's just so many different things happening. We've got an inner police struggle, and then we have like 700 pigs who feast on human remains. So, yeah, for the past couple of weeks, I sat here thinking how am I going to tell this story in a way that makes sense because even in my head I still can't wrap my head around. How? Like what?

What-what-what was happening? So we're just going to get started. It actually starts in February 23rd of 1995 and it will be seven years before the case gets solved. There was a handyman who decided that he was going to get water from a local river. He's like working on some construction sites and he's like you know what I'm thirsty. So he grabs this water bottle and he starts walking down the highway, gets off, drops into the ravine, and at the local river, he's about to put water into his water bottle. I don't know how sanitary

that is, but maybe Canada's like rivers are a little bit different. Maybe they're cleaner than here. And so he has this little water bottle and he sees like, what do you think is like this old brown bull just sitting on the rocks? He's like, that's weird. Why did someone just bring like a And so he has this little water bottle and he sees like what he thinks is like this old brown bowl Just sitting on the rocks is like that's weird Why did someone just bring like a coconut shell to eat off of is someone eating in a Syable and he walks closer and he realizes that's kind of an odd thing to be here, huh? So he kind of uses his water bottle to tip it around and that's when he realizes it's not an old brown bowl It's a human skull that was cut in half.

So he thought maybe I should go to the police about this, because I mean when you're talking about a human skull, relatively cleanly cut in half, that's not the work of, you know, vultures, that's not the work of animals, that's the work of another human, let's say. But he doesn't go to the police because he had a doctor's appointment. And then he had some errands to run. And then he said, well, if I saw a police car while I was running those errands, I probably would have flagged down the police car and said, hey, by the way, I found a human skull

at the river, but he didn't. So that night... Did he take your home? No, it's just sitting at the river. So then that night you're thinking, okay, well now after he runs his errands, he's going to go to the police station. Well, he had bingo that night. So he's like, I can't go, I have bingo.

So he goes to bingo. So it would be a full 24 hours until he finally reports it to the police. Come in. A big man's got plans, okay? Yeah. Yeah, so the police go, they find the skull and it wasn't broken in half due to some force of nature.

Like it wasn't dropped, you know, by an animal, nothing like that. It was clearly cut vertically just in half. Oh, like from the front of your nose. In between your eyes, yeah. Oh, man. But cleanly cut. And it wasn't super old either.

So it still had white flesh coming out of the eye socket areas. The nose was still somewhat attached and they placed the skull in a box and drove it to the police station. Now, I don't know what I was expecting. Like, where would you place the skull? But just the fact that they put it in a box and drove it to the police station. Now, I don't know what I was expecting, like, where would you place the skull, but just the fact that they put it in a box and then, like, into their car just kind of freaks me out.

Like, imagine, you're just moving a skull in your police car, weird. So they bring it in to be autopsy, and the technicians are like, this is beyond bizarre. I mean, the skull looked like it was cut with an electrical skull. And the skull. Electrical skull?

Electrical saw. Like, just really cleanly cut It was a young woman in her 20s who died maybe a year or two years before this The school had only been recently placed in the water though So she had been dead for a year or two, but only recently her school was transported to the river This doesn't make sense. She was classified as a Jane Doe She had no identification. They tried to get her information and they found out that she is European and Indigenous descent. They tried to

reconstruct her face. They tried to do like her bone structure, everything. But nobody knew her. They put her picture out there. Nobody knew her. Nobody reported her missing. They go back and none of the rest of the body is found. I mean, this is also really specific, which is why people were kind of creeped out about this. I mean, this is also really specific, which is why people were kind of creeped out about this. I mean, you're talking about somebody who knows how to cut through bones, but not a medical professional. They said it would not be a doctor, not be a nurse, because the cut lines were uneven,

medically speaking. So, if this was like some creepy doctor who's doing some on the side jobs, like this wouldn't be it, because they still have like a method to the way that they do things, but somebody who knows how to cut their bones. So it's like this really weird niche area. Very specific, very creepy. It would be seven years before someone finds out what actually happened to Jane Doe. So they, when they saw that they're like, not a doctor, but what is it?

Exactly. They couldn't figure it out. No, and they couldn't even figure out who she was. She wasn't even reported missing. So I mean, it was, and where's the rest of her body? Yeah. Nobody knew. I mean, still to this day, it's kind of vague.

Nobody knows, right? So let's get started on the Picton family, because... Okay, so it all starts with the dad Leonard Picton, and Leonard... He was considered a very unambitious dude. Lazy! That's what everyone said. He is just not the cream of the crop, just an absolute, lays on the couch, gets drunk, yells at people, that's the type of guy he is.

So everyone was shook when he announced that, hey guys, I'm engaged. Like, who would want a Merry Leonard? That's what everyone was thinking to themselves. They actually called him Piggy. To his face and behind his back, they called him Piggy. Like, who would want a Merry Piggy? And on top of that, the person that he had proposed to that accepted it was 16 years younger than him. So now he's got this catch, you know? This like young woman, they met at a coffee shop, like that doesn't make sense. So he was

super, super old when he ran his farm with his new wife and he pretty much wasn't really doing any work. It seemed like his new wife was the one running all the shots. It seemed to be workout She was motivated. She was hard working and he was the opposite so he just kind of like stayed out of the way He was bullied by his wife the whole time like the whole marriage just bullied by his wife Now he wasn't good to the kids though neither of the parents are gonna be good to the kids like really shitty shitty parenting So the mom Helen Louise picked in this is the woman that 16 years old younger and she went by Louise and she's a strange lady That's what everyone says just just strange like you just can't really put your finger on it like why is she so strange But you know that she's strange

So the older that she got the more legendary She became in the neighborhood in the community because she was just becoming louder and stranger and yelling all the time. But by the time that she was like, like in her 30s, like really young, she had lost all of her teeth. They had rotted out. Yet they live on a really gross farm that I'm going to get into. And all of her teeth had rotted out. So she would be yelling in this high-pitched voice, but nobody would understand what she's saying at all. And she would just keep yelling and keep yelling. And she loved to talk. She had lost most of her hair, but for some strange reason, she started growing a beard.

So she lost her hair on her head and was, you know, very bald, but then, like, the beard, the goatee started spouting and it was confusing. She had this, like, really thick mustache, and all the neighborhood kids just wondered to themselves, why doesn't she just shave it off? It just doesn't make sense. You know people keep looking at her like she's weird. Why doesn't she just shave it off? Does she have some kind of illness? Well, I googled it and they said that sometimes it could be um like a product of incest Okay, when I'm saying like mustache, I'm not saying like I know

But also like the whole teeth falling out the hair falling out Does that not sound like not I think it's on hygienic? Oh really? Yeah, I don't think is she sick. I mean later she gets cancer, but it wasn't the cancer that made her hair fall out Huh and people just wondered like why doesn't she just cut off her mustache because it was getting really really bad It wasn't just like a little stubble because listen I have a mustache, I'm not judging nobody. And I do, I do pluck at it. Sometimes it's a little bit wispy, but it's not like a full-on goatee. I feel like if I grew a full-on goatee, I'd probably just shave it off. And she only wore thick rubber boots and people said that she waddled like a duck. That's just the one thing that everyone remembers about her. Now another strange

thing is that she kept all of the kitchen cupboards locked and she was the only one with the key. Now she's gonna have three children so I don't know if this was some sort of punishment. I don't know if it was to keep the dogs out or to keep the bugs out, but that's just like a strange thing that everyone remembered about her. So Leonard and Louise, they have three kids, the first being Linda picked in the daughter and people were shocked. When she came out they were like, there's no way that's your kid. It just doesn't make sense.

It seems like she was cut from a different cloth. That's what everyone said. She was clean. She had cloth. She had manners. She had table manners. And the pickedins, none of them had that except for Linda. And I think it has to do with the fact that Louise kind of babyed Linda.

In the sense that she was not a good mom, but she felt like as a daughter she needed new clothes, she needed to have, you know, experiences going to birthday parties and going to school in church and Sunday school, and all of these things. So she was raised a little bit differently from the two boys, but it doesn't really mean that Louise loved her more. Louise seemed to be overall a really shitty parent. Now, the reason that she's not a pivotal part of this story is because she was pretty smart, she hated the farm, she hated farm life, she hated the fact that there was just pigs running around on a daily basis, so right after she graduated eighth grade she moved in with relatives in Vancouver

and started attending high school in Vancouver, so she was like buy farm, I'm done, like I don't really care. Now once she gets there she doesn't, she doesn't try to like contact her family all the time, she doesn't go over to the farm on the weekends, she just wanted very little to do with that. Now her little brother, Robert, Bob, Willie, picked in. So some people call him Bob, some people call him Willie. We're going to call him Willie, okay? His birth was super difficult. He was actually born with the umbilical cord wrapped around his neck. Now a lot of people think that this did some sort of brain damage. That maybe this caused him to be a serial killer. I don't

know why they were making the connection but some people were like maybe this is the connection there and he was all around a mama's boy since the minute that he shot out of her. He was a full grown mama's boy. Never really close to his dad loved his mom and she didn't really, she didn't really like him that much. Well, he was the favorite of the three but she was a really, really bad mom. Well, he was the favorite of the three, but she was a really, really bad mob. People compare it to the Edgene situation. So he loved his mom so much, like almost an incestuous type of way,

and she just would beat him, would be so harsh on him, and it was just like this really strange relationship, even one of Willie's friends kept referring to him as Edgene. Just like, he reminds me so much of Edgain. Imagine saying that about one of your friends, just like casually. They remind me so much of Ted Bundy.

Like, what? I wouldn't be friends with them. You want to? No. I wouldn't want to be friends with anyone who reminds me of Ted Bundy. Are you kidding? I feel like, OK, bye.

And he was considered the super shy passive one in the family. And he was actually scared of everyone including his younger brother David Picton. So this is the last of the Picton family. Dave Picton David David Picton. He very much looked like his mom Linda and Dave they both took after their mom so they were round face. They were shorter But Willie and his dad looked alike and they both had this tall narrow face with his long pointed nose and everyone called it a rat face. They just look like rats and if you see the picture of Robert Picton, he'd do be looking like a little rat.

People's like their piggies, their little rats, their eggings, their eggings, you know, just like the most lovable family on the block. This is like who you want to be your neighbors, right? And the farm they lived in was horrible. The smell, the dirt, the mess. I mean, it was insane. So they had tons of livestock. They had pigs, chickens, ducks, cows, and dogs.

And they would just let them roam in and out of the house, leave piles of shit, imagine. A cow walks into your living room, takes a shit on the ground and leaves. Nobody noticed the whole family which is rock-around it. Sometimes they wouldn't even walk around it, they would walk into it and then leave the little manure footprints around the house. It was disgusting. The pigs ate up all of the vegetation, so there was like no grass, nothing.

They dug these mud holes all around the farm So there was just massive holes. It was just a it was a pigstack Can I say that? It was really disgusting absolute circus Neighborhood kids would actually come over because they thought it was so fun that wow Did you know Willie's farm? They don't have any rules over there. So we can actually make the pigs chase us So they would force these pigs to chase the kids as like a fun after school activity. Wow. The pigs were running free a lot of the time, but not like in the pasture raised like free range pig, like not in a way

that you would want it. Does that make sense? Like very dangerous, unsanitary way. Yeah. And the pigs themselves, they weren't healthy, they weren't living a great life. It wasn't like a cute like prairie on the farm. I don't know what that means But like you know it wasn't like a cute moment now Willie's first memory He claims is when he's two years old. This is his claim. I don't know if you remember is this But he claims that he lived in the chicken coop at two years old He lived with the chickens and they didn't have running water in the house So in order to get water he would have to take his mattress aside,

lift up the floorboard underneath his bed, to get cold water, because there was like this little spring that ran below the chicken coop. I don't remember anything when I was two. So I don't know. Maybe this is true, maybe it's not. Then at three years old,

he claimed that he crashed his father's truck full of pigs. He was left in the truck, and he decided, you know what, I'm gonna shift some gears around, put it out of park before you know it. The truck starts rolling straight for a telephone pole. The pigs, they're just jumping off the back of the truck, the dad's hollering at him like, stop the truck! And he got the hell beaten out of him. But that's what happens. That's what he said. I mean, I don't know. It sounds like a crazy farm life. I don't even know how to describe this. So once they start going to school, they got bullied.

They got really, really intensely bullied. And I think the main reason was the kids were in charge of feeding up to 200 pigs before they go to school. And cleaning up their pens before they go to school. They were stinky. They just didn't even shower. They would just clean up all this pig manure, feed the pigs, go straight to school, come back

and feed the pigs again. And the family had eight cows that the kids have to clean up after. They only took a bath once a week. They smelled non-stop. The kids called everyone Piggy at school. Just the pig- the pickedins are Piggy's. The two brothers are being called Piggy's. Yeah, like the pickedins, they're Piggy's, they're nasty. Now, what made Willie even nastier is that he had a crazy fear of showers. So his siblings, they would shower whenever their parents would let them, but he hated showers. There wasn't even a shower in the house, so they would all only take baths, but he hated

it. He hated the idea of water on his face. I mean, we're just disgusted by it, like disgusted by water on his face. Sounds like some kind of trauma. Yes, so people asked him, like, what about the smell, and he claimed that he had no sense of smell. So that was his excuse of stinking so much, and their living situation was insane. They would wear the same clothes every single day, feed the pigs, come into the house with

the same shoes on that they just fed the pigs and just walk around. The kitchen, you could not see a counter without dirt on it. The floor was covered in pig food, in pig poo, in dirt. There was no proper furniture anywhere. There was just like this really disgusting mattress on the living room floor that people would actually sleep in. And it was like covered in manure and feces and just disgusting. The walls, ceilings, everything was either covered in dirt mud, dirt, nastiness, sometimes blood, because they slaughter animals on the farm, just poo, everything. There was flies everywhere that were insects all over the house,

and it seemed like the pickedins were the only ones that didn't care. The local farmers, the same farmers who were in the same situation, they didn't have money to fix up their houses, they were disgusted by the pickedins. Like how do you live like this? This doesn't make any sense. They only wore these ribbed hand-me-down clothes.

So Willie said that when he was five years old for Christmas, he got a new shirt. Never worn before by anyone else. He put it on for Christmas. But I guess like new shirts they have, it sounds so privileged that we don't, I'm like, I'm trying to describe it. I'm like they have like a starchy feeling, maybe more so back in the day, but not so much anymore. Maybe they're a little bit stiffer because they haven't been, yeah, they're like crispy, I guess, but he hated it.

He said it hurt. So on Christmas day, he ripped it off of him and started running away naked because he was like, that hurts, that hurts. So that was just the life. And then school only got worse because Willie was placed in special education classes and a massive hospital opened up nearby. Huge. I'm talking like, I think there was about 5,000 patients at one point

and they had a bunch of doctors moving, a bunch of admin moving, a bunch of lawyers moving to run this ginormous hospital. So the same bus stop that the victims would stay at to go to school, to get on to the school bus was the same bus stop that a bunch of these rich doctors' kids would line up at. They had just moved into the area, their moms like a doctor and these kids would just be in the best clothes just like waiting at the bus stop. And as for the pickedins like this, this is crazy. This is the opposite of them. These kids actually had apple orchids in their house, like on their lawns. And the pickedins just had like 200 pigs. Like it was just immediately

you could see the difference in these two. Now the Pictons weren't the only poor farmer families, but they didn't fit in with the farmer families either because everyone made fun of the way that Willie and Dave talked. They said that the two Picton boys, they had this really high-pitched voice. There was almost like shrill. Anytime that they talked it was like this really fast-paced, high-pitched, like no no no voice. And they were like, what's wrong with you? You're supposed to be a farmer. Come on. was almost like shrill. Anytime that they talked it was like this bullying. Well, this is an unconfirmed story, but for some reason it's like everywhere,

especially in the book. It's that that he used to crawl into gutted pigs whenever someone was angry with him. Like the pig would have been slaughtered by his family. They had taken out all the intestines and the organs, and he would just, he would just crawl up in there, just hide in there from people. I mean, that's, that's a lot.

So this is Willie's actual favorite story. He said that when he was 12 years old, he saved up all of his money, went to an auction, and bought this beautiful calf. And this was the love of his life for $35, freaking dollars. And he thought, okay, this calf, I'm gonna raise it till the day that it dies of natural reasons. You know, of old age, I'm gonna feed it, I'm gonna love it, I'm gonna name it, I'm gonna

brush it, I'm gonna do all of these things. So he does this for a couple of weeks. One day he comes home from school and he can't find his beloved calf. So he's like, where's my calf guys? And his dad's like, well, why don't you go check in the slaughterhouse? Which is a really odd thing to say. So he's like, in the slaughterhouse, why would he be in the slaughterhouse? So this 12 year old Willie runs to the slaughterhouse, slams open the door,

and he sees his calf hanging upside down butchered. He did not talk to anyone for four days. His mom tried to give him an extra 20 bucks for it. Like, can you imagine? Like, they murder your pet, and they're just like, well, do you want 20 bucks? Like, that was the type of parenting that was happening on the farm. And he claimed that the lesson that he got from this is, well, when it's your time to go, it's your time to go, which is a really odd lesson to get from something like this.

So then the hospital nearby, it starts expanding and they start housing the criminally insane. And they were not well supervised. They all slept in these large rooms, a hundred women in the same room, cared by, by, like, a handful of students and supervisors. So they kind of did their own thing. A lot of them got out, committed suicide in the rivers, kids would find their bodies, just like floating in the local river.

And they'd be like, how did the patient get out? What's going on? And the government also allowed them to work on the local farms. So the victims used them on multiple locations, which is kind of why they started becoming a little bit more successful off the backs of the criminally insane. So they would have a bunch of them work for them for like very little money. They started expanding. They actually even bought a bigger farm, which is where everything

is going to go down on, okay? And they towed their house there. They towed it there. They towed their already nasty disgusting fly-filled house to the new farm. They're like, we're not going to build a new house. No, no, no, no. We're gonna just tow our house there, which side note, the pickedins had enough money to clean, to hire cleaners if they wanted, to buy a new house, to build a new house.

They had enough money, and I think that's what made people even more confused by their filth. It wasn't like they couldn't afford it because that makes you sympathetic. Yeah. So they purchased this new farm and it was really pretty when they got it.

It was green, it had a lot of trees. Now, a lot of people didn't think that it was gonna be the best in terms of crops because there was quick sand in certain parts. Some parts were swampy. There was this lagoon in the back that kind of had like a foul smell, they said. But it was good for livestock.

They thought it was perfect. So they move over there and they start expanding their pagan cow business. They bought a bunch of commercial freezers, called themselves B&C Lockers. Everyone called them the meat lockers. They actually bought another property where they had just hundreds of commercial freezers for a bunch of farmers to store their meat there. So they were really taking advantage of it, you know, and the farm expanded to have about 700 pigs, hundreds of chickens, several sheds, and a barn, and it was like a free-for-all for these animals. It was wild.

So William and Dave, they still had the same job before school. You have to feed the pigs. Right in between school, around noon, they would come home, feed the pigs again, go back to school right after feeding those pigs, really stinky. Then again, after school, they come home, feed the pigs, right before bed, they feed the pigs again, go back to school right after feeding those pigs, really stinky. Then again, after school they come home, feed the pigs, right before bed, they feed the pigs. So eventually they start missing school because they're overworked. And Louise did not care, the mom did not care. She said that means more time for farm work. That's fine.

Now there is kind of a belief out there that Willie Pichten was incredibly stupid. You know, that he was a literate, he couldn't read and write, he didn't have like IQ, but he wasn't stupid, he wasn't a literate either. He actually was like a functioning human being, he was just evil. He talked to like his mom a lot, so he would use these phrases very often, which I think is for some reason very unsettling. He would say things like, life goes on. Crock of shit. There's always a reason for everything. But that's what happens. That's life. That's not here nor there.

We're here today. We're not here tomorrow. Like, he just always would throw these in there everywhere. So it was just odd. His way of talking was a little bit odd. So eventually, he quit school at 14. And David still stays in school. The reason that Willie quit was not because he wanted to be like a farmer was because he had this pen and it had a woman whose skirt was coming up on it. So it was like kind of a promiscuous pen.

It was like a very scandalous pen. And the principal said, hey, if you don't get rid of that pen, I'm gonna beat you up. And he said, no, you're not, I'm quitting school. So he just quit school because of that. He was like, I'm gone. And he starts working on the farm full time at 14 years old. So the mom's like, okay, well, if you're going to be a full time,

or you need to learn how to slaughter pigs. So initially, he hated this idea. He was like, I don't want to slaughter pigs. I hate this. But he starts going to these local butchers. He becomes an apprentice, add a meat cutter for about six years, and he ended up kind of enjoying it. Now, Dave, on the other hand, he's living a little bit more of a normal life. He's making friends. He's going on dates, which is really strange because who wants to date Dave picked in absolutely nobody. I can't even imagine, right? And he would hang out with his friends. He got his license when he's 16 years old. And this is kind of when you start really, really hating the victims even more. Up until this point in the story,

you're like, well, shit, the kids, I kind of feel bad for them. But then you end up hating the whole family. So he gets his driver's license and he takes out the car. No more than 400 feet away from his house. There was a 14 year old tin barit leaving his friend's house, just walking on the same side of traffic, which is what they tell you to do. On this very quiet road, it's not a freeway, not a highway, just like a subdivision road. And he gets hit by Dave's car, which is weird because it wasn't raining. There was no odd visibility issues.

There wasn't, you know, weather issues. There was nothing. He just gets hit by the car. And so Dave comes home and he's like, oh my god, dad, mom, what do I do? Look at my car, look at my car. So they go to look at it. And there's this massive dent in the front where obviously Tim Barrett had made impact with the car. There's blood on the car. And they're like, okay like okay well you need to take it to the shop and have them fix it.

Just tell them it was like a log, a log hit your car and now you want it fixed. So he drives over to the mechanic and he's like you need to fix this dent, you need to paint it over and the mechanic fixes the dent, but the whole time he's confused. Because all the picked in cars are disgusting. All of them are dented. but the whole time he's confused. Because all the picked in cars are disgusting. All of them are dented. So why do they care about fixing this one dent when they've seen the picked in driver-round in cars

that have much worse dent? Like they only fix it up if there's mechanical issues and it won't drive. The car's fine, that's odd, and he refused to paint it over because he just felt weird about it. He was like, this all feels weird. I'm not gonna paint it, you go paint it.

So he actually takes the car back home and paints it with like regular house paint. And it like doesn't match anything else. So there's just like this. It's really, yeah. So you made it more obvious. Yes. Okay.

He like paint tinnables eye on it essentially. And you know, Louise, she goes into the road and she sees Tim bear laying there and she does not hesitate This is a mom we're talking about a mom of three kids. She doesn't hesitate She drags him and throws him 10 feet off the road into a ditch He's dead. He's not dead yet. Oh Wait, so the mom was told that this accident happened so she went over there to take over the body Yeah, and so just tosses 14 year old Tim Barrett into a ditch.

Now the next morning the mechanics are listening to the news talking about oh my god there's been this hit and run. This is crazy. Like we didn't find out what happened and he's like wait a minute. I just fixed that truck with a very syspish and then the paint. So he calls the police and the family they're searching for Tim Barrett and once they find Tim's body to get our topsy This is where it gets really bad. He wasn't actually killed when the truck hit him He was badly injured, but he actually drowned in two feet of filthy brown water in the ditch that Louise had dragged him to So the police they start investigating the picked ins they look at the truck I mean the the dentist fix, but it's got this bull's eye painting on it, they get some paints, and the regular

paint of the car matched the paint found on Tim's body, and nobody knew what happened. There was no answer, why were you speeding? Did you want to hit this kid? Nobody had an answer, Dave was charged with a hit and run, he went to juvenile court, and he was only on probation for four years. That's it. Nobody talked about Louise's role in all of this. Nobody talked about how did Tim Barrett get from the road to now drowning in this ravine, like this little ditch. Nothing. That was just always neighborhood gossip. But from that point on, I think a lot of people had very negative feelings towards the victims. had very negative feelings towards the victims. So that was Dave's thing.

He loved getting into trouble, loved hitting people in his truck, and then doing a hit-and-run, and murdering people, vehicle manslaughter. That was Dave's thing. And Willie's thing was dumpster diving. Like, he just had these strange habits all the time, and one of it was dumpster driving. So he would drop off all of the labors from the hospital,

and he would go into the dumpsters immediately after. He loved dropping them off after their shift near dinner hour so that they would bring out all the food that the hospital fed the patients, they would dump it into the dumpster half eaten food. He would go in there, cut off all the dirty bits and then he would eat all of this dumpster food. That was his jam. Now Willie's biggest memory about this experience of dumpster diving was not dumpster diving itself But the fact that the mentally ill girls at the hospital who were close like teenagers they were in their teenage years They would flash him through the windows

They would just like lift up their shirts and you love that he said it was disturbing. Oh That's what he said, but I don't believe him because he would actually befriend a lot of these women later So it's just odd all All of it's odd. Like this whole family is just odd. It's unsettling, I guess. Now, William Day eventually they start splitting up. So prior to this, they were doing everything on the farm together. They were feeding the pigs. They were cleaning up after the pigs. But then eventually, Dave starts getting into construction site work.

He was like, I love demolitions. He sounds like the type that would love to like demolish things. He's like, I love going in there and just like tearing stuff down. That's like, that's a big jam. I'm an alpha male. And Willie, he spends most of the time on the farm. And he has a side hobby of loving cars, machinery. So he would bring in all of these junk cars, fix them up, sell them for parts.

A lot of the time, he would steal these cars and then sell them for parts. He would slaughter at least two dozen animals a day, which is insane. So people said that Willie was actually pretty kind. They said there was a difference in the brothers. If you compare them, Dave had just the foulest mouth and he was unapologetic about it, not in a cool way, just a really disgusting dude. Meanwhile, Dave or Willie, he kind of treated people like a gentleman. Most of the time. That's what the neighbors said. I don't know him. I don't like to say anything positive about him, so.

Maybe it was just a good actor. So when Dave starts doing his demolition work, he realizes, wait a minute, I don't know if to just destroy things. I can start selling our property without our family getting pissed off. Here's how I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna remove the top soil from the farm and sell it to farmers and gardeners and people building new houses

And that's good because top soil is needed. I don't understand the top soil business So he would just like take soil from his own farm and sell it to other farmers So I guess you need like a specific type of soil that like maybe you need to redo Yeah, yeah, it's a soil you buy from home people, yeah? Yeah, yeah, so he gets into the top soil business. Now, side note, a bunch of his top soil is tainted with like heavy metals and heavy chemicals and we're gonna get into that in a little bit.

And he's doing all of this disgusting stuff. I mean, really rude guy. He would just call random woman fat. Like, they'd be walking on the street and he'd be like, you fat cow. Like, that was end-I quote. He thought he was hilarious. He would say it random woman fat like they'd be walking on the street and he'd be like you fat cow Like that was and I quote that he thought he was hilarious He would say it and he would like giggle with his friends and everyone was like, haha. That's so good That's a good one so creative and he also had girlfriends

He eventually had two kids like Dave was Dave was popular in a weird sick and twisted way now Willie He's not popular nobody likes him. Nobody wants to be his friend. He's just kind of like that awkward shy guy in the back that doesn't really do anything. So he starts connecting with pen pals. He starts writing to people. And one of these people was an American woman named Connie Anderson. She lived in Michigan. And when Willie was 24 years old, he had his first vacation ever to leave Canada to go to America to see Connie Anderson and he goes out to America for the first time and he's like wow it's insane okay he hates American side note we'll get into that he said that the first time

him in Connie met they got engaged immediately they were like oh you're the one for me we got to get married boo-boo and the only problem was she didn't want to leave the states and he couldn't leave the farm mm-hmm so now they're like in this like tug of war like long distance relationship. Ooh like Canada versus the US. What will you choose? And it was just like really just tumultuous. He said during his vacation they kept asking him to be a model. Like he was like out and about and all these scatters came and were like can you be a model? A model. But he told everyone that he declined and he said, but I'm just a farm boy Now the weekend that he went was George Washington's weekend, which maybe on the east coast this is bigger, right? I know I don't know. Maybe I'm just like uncultured and not American, I guess

But there's George Washington's birthday, which everyone celebrates by eating cherry pie. Why cherry pie you ask? Well, as a kid, George Washington had cut a cherry tree. Like had honkered down on the trunk of a cherry tree and his parents were like, hey, who did this? And as a young boy, George Washington said, I must not tell a lie, I did it with my hatchet. So it kind of showed that even as a young boy, George Washington loved honesty, he valued honesty. So as a tradition, people eat cherry pie for George Washington's, you know, birthday celebration.

And he saw this, he witnessed this. And he talked about how Americans kept trying to shove cherry pie in his face and he was disgusted. He was looking around, looking at all these filthy Americans, which is cherry pie all over their lips and their face and their cheeks and he was oh Disgusting can you imagine so he gets back and obviously his quote unquote Engagement with Connie fizzles out because it's just a battle of the states in Canada She doesn't want to move he can't move because of the farm and he starts trying to date more girls

But there's a lot of girls on the farm no one wants to him. A lot of people use the farm as like this meeting point, this gathering point. Dave had a ton of friends, a ton of trucker friends, I would come, a lot of women would come and do drugs. I mean, there was drugs everywhere. It was just, they just didn't like Willie. He had a strange sense of humor. They said he would slaughter a pig, grab the penis from the pig, and try to like tie it around his belt so that it would look like he It's his penis outside of his clothes like I guess and he would just kind of like helicopter it around to people and like chase them around And people thought this was incredibly disgusting, which it is but he would just be like Ha ha ha ha ha

And you're like something's wrong there like something is weird He would grab the intestines of a pig and just starts chasing people around the farm with it while he's like laughing. By the way, Willie never wore gloves. The picture of Willie that is infamous after it came out that he's a serial killer is him in the process of slaughtering a pig with blood all over his hands. So he never wore gloves just chasing people around. In his room, he had the taxidermied head of his beloved horse. I don't know, something about that's weird.

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Now Louise had left everything to all three of them, to be split evenly, but there was a catch. Really would not have his full lump sum of money until he turned 40, and only if he stayed on the farm until he was 40 years old. How old are they then? This would be like, I think he was like dirty. So like at least another decade, which is insane.

He was really upset about this. So he gets a lump sum of $20,000 right off the bat. Meanwhile, Linda and David, they're in charge of actually running the farm, all these legal decisions with the farm, and they get all of their money upfront to do, you know, to do business, to do that, or whatever they want.

They have all of their inheritance right up front, but Willie, he won't get a dime of that until he turns 40, and he has to stay on this farm. Like that, he was so upset by this. Technically he did get $20,000 more, but still super strange. It seemed like maybe his mom wanted to protect him, maybe he, he's a mature, maybe he's not good with money, or maybe his mom kinda had this like motherly suspicion. I don't know why she did that.

So he was trapped for another 10 years while the siblings could live anywhere they wanted and he had to keep slaughtering animals because that's the way that he was making money because he wouldn't get the rest of his money. So he started buying these animals at auctions and they said that they always saved the sick ones for him. No one else buys sick pigs but Willie picked in.

What? Because he didn't care. He just wanted the best price and he would sell the meat. Oh, that's gross. Some people said like the meat, okay, I could, the book goes in depth on the type of meat that he sells, but it's, it's really nasty. A lot of them would have like spores on it and just, just like, he was not selling good meat.

He was selling it for cheap, but it was not good meat. And he wasn't doing it in a way. So slaughtering the pigs. what was the process you wonder? Well, I was wondering because it becomes important. The way that he slaughters animals will be consistent later with the way that he murders humans, actual human beings, which is really disturbing.

So he was methodical, but not in a good way. So if a cow or a pig was just there, he would like slid its throat, which is not the way that you want to do it, because that means essentially you're making this animal bleed out. It's going to be incredibly painful. Or he would grab a nail gun and shoot it right in between the eyes in the forehead. So this is actually the better way to do it, but it's not with a nail gun.

You're actually supposed to use some sort of, like, there's like a slaughtering gun. I don't know if that's what it's called, but essentially it's like this rod that goes in. It's like this really thick rod, like a thick nail that goes right in between the eyes. It's supposed to be the least painful, the most instant foreign animal. That's like the most humane way they say if you can even call it humane, but he used an actual nail gun. Like he didn't use that. He used a nail gun because I guess maybe he was too cheap or didn't care. He used a nail gun. And then he would cut a deep slit in the ankle. And by the tendons, he would hang it up on a large hook in the slaughterhouse.

He would slit its throat if he hadn't already and catch all of the blood in a bucket. Then he would gut it. So he'd grab his electric saw. And he would saw it open right down the middle. Grab all of its entrails, grab all of its organs, put it into a bucket, and then the parts that he couldn't do anything with, such as the bones, such as the parts that don't have meat. He would either use Dave's big bulldozers and just, he would dig these massive holes on the farm. Like 30, 40 feet deep, and just throw pig carcasses, cow carcasses in that hole and then just put dirt over it. This made the excavation of this crime scene so horrific and so intense later on because he would just dump animal carcasses all over the farm. Now where are the health inspectors? I have the same question. So they would come once in a while and they would be shocked. They would be appalled. They would write reports on this farm and

they would shut it down for a couple of weeks but sure enough they would be out of town working on something else or there would be another farm scandal and they would get distracted and he would just open straight back up like they he never changed a thing. He would just open back up. One time a friend walked in on him bulldozing to get rid of these these pig carcasses and he was so focused and she said it was just kind of strange and he kept telling her, well I got this big old pig here, I'm just I'm just bearing the big, big old pig. And he was like scrambling to fill the hole with dirt. So she just said like the whole thing on a strange vibe to it that day just a little weird.

Now if he didn't bury them, he would bring them to a place called West Coast Reduction, which, fun fact, it's owned by a very rich Canadian billionaire, like their family owns it, but a rendering plant, this is really alarming, I didn't know this, but a rendering plant, a lot of people will come and dump things that aren't needed anymore, so animal parts that can't be used, hair is one of them, because you can't really render it down at home like hair. What are you gonna do? Put it down your toilet. That's gonna clog. Put it in the trash. That's okay. Hair? Yeah. I mean I guess. But they would bring it to like a rendering plan. All these farmers, they would go to this plant and they would just drive up in their trucks. They would have these massive, just blue like 45 gallon drums

in the back of their truck. they would go drive up to this, they call it a deep pool of waste and they would open the lid and just dump their waste in there and the rendering plant would actually render it into this waxy substance that was now purified, that was clean, that would later be used in things such as soap cosmetics and makeup. Motions. So that's great. The amount of contamination that just the Pictons did to Canada and maybe the world is

alarming. Not just like the top soil, not just it's really bad. So he would just open up the lids, dump them into the vast pool of waste. So you're talking me, to your talking hair, bones, carcasses, all of that. I mean, is that not what he's supposed to do? It's what he's supposed to do. But there was a time where it was alarming because nobody really checked his drums. He was such a regular that no one was like, hey, open up your drums because there's certain things that they're

not allowed to put into the pool of waste, right? And so the newer, the newer people, the newbs, the company would be like, we'll open up your drums. Okay, let's supervise your good, but they would just wave them in. So technically, he could get away with dumping anything he wanted at the rendering plant, which is not good. And one time, he couldn't go. So he asked someone to pick up his 45-gallon drums for him. So they're like, yeah, you're like a regular. Come on, I'll pick it up for you. So the employee comes, picks up these blue 45-gallon drums, and he opens it up just for like a sneak peek and he saw big chunks of meat Which he was confused because most farm workers they want to get all of their meat Even if it's not for humans, maybe they'll feed the other animals with different types of meat

Maybe they'll do something with the meat. I don't know right. It's just it's so odd to see farmers. They're always so much meat He just felt odd about it But he didn't really want a question and he just threw it into the vast pool of dump and that was it. So this West Coast rendering plant, it was located downtown Eastside Vancouver and a lot of the people that lived there said it's a doggy dog world down there. There's a lot of drug dealers, a lot of pimps, a lot of people being taken advantage. If this was like Vancouver's Skid Row, and there was a ton of sex workers. Now the sex workers were particularly vulnerable

at this location because they were heavily addicted to drugs. A lot of the times they were addicted to drugs because of their pimps. Not because they just, you know, were like, let me just try it out. It's like they fell in love with these guys. They were like, I love you so much. And then they were like, well, let's try this together.

And the whole time this guy did not love her, just wanted to sell her, you know, just wanted her to sell her body so that he could make money off of her. That was it. So a lot of the times they were either too high when they got into someone's car to make good decisions or they were so desperate to get high. A lot of them were even having acute withdrawal symptoms, like physically they would feel something that they were very, very desperate to try to get some money to feed this addiction. And a lot of the times, like I said, the addiction wasn't even their fault.

And they were so physically ill, just really, really desperate. So he starts picking up sex workers there, just non-stop. He would go to the rest coast reduction plant, go pick up sex workers, he would pay $40 for a blow job and that was like his jam he would go to the super cd hotel bars would buy everyone drinks because he was kind of wealthy he later becomes like a millionaire what yeah and he would buy everyone drinks just acted like he own the place bring girls home to his like little farm and it was just super shady around the the time that Willie Picton is seen all over downtown Vancouver

is the time that a lot of sex workers were disappearing. A lot of indigenous sex workers as well. And a lot of families, they were noticing because thankfully these women, yes, they were in the sex work industry and that was just their occupation. A lot of these women, they were daughters, they were sisters, they were mothers. They were amazing people that just fell into a life of circumstance And so they were connected with their family members and the families They would go to the police and they'd be like could do something do something and the police were just like well

Maybe they moved like what? So in 1998 there was a constable David who got really concerned like his police officer that really really cared Then out the whole thing with the police is that if you just look at the overview, the police forked up so bad, they did. But there's maybe a handful of police officers who tried their best,

but they were constantly shut down by supervisors. There were a couple good ones in there that tried to fight. They live with so much guilt because they're like, I could have fought harder, harder for these women, you know? But yeah, they were just shut down by these higher apps. So he kept talking about, hey, I keep getting these reports of missing woman. I just, we need to do something.

Maybe there's an active serial killer around. This is just so odd. So he starts talking to a man by the name of Kim Rosmo. Now Kim Rosmo is going to be a huge debate in the Vancouver Police Department because he started off as a regular detective and he worked his way up and then he became a well-renowned profiler of serial killers. Like the US used him, he was consulting all over Canada, he was consulting all over the world, he was known to be a geographical profiler. So what he was saying is this is his whole thing.

Anyone who commits these crazy serial killings, they're pathological. Yeah? They're pathological. It's insane. But the locations of crime scenes are never pathological. So the same patterns that we use to determine where we shop. The same patterns McDonald's uses to put their next location applies to criminals. You know, everyone is location based. Everyone is geography based. That's just not something that you fix all the time. It's like wired in us. So all these serial killers, they have geographical patterns.

So if you have missing woman, you can find out the geography of where they go missing, where the killer probably is, and then have this radius to search for the person doing this. Yeah, that makes sense. So that was his thing. But everyone in the police hated him because they were like, that is some academic phony. That's what people say when they haven't been on the streets. So you had the old time detectives who were like,

no, no, no, you haven't even worked the streets a day in your life. You just sit at your little computer like geographically speaking. And they were just like, anything you say is phony. Anything you say is just so dumb get out of here There was just such a big struggle within the own police department So Kim Rosmo was like yeah, there's a serial killer active like I'm pretty sure of it And they were like no there isn't like we haven't even found bodies like here in so Kim is saying based on all these reports They're off from the same, all these seems very similar.

Yeah, it must be a serial killer. So the reason that they came across this is because they established a baseline. So from 1978 to 1994, only about one or two women went missing and east side like Vancouver. But those were people that were unfound. So a lot of women went missing but they they were later found, either dead or alive. And then if they were murdered, they found the murder, or all of that jazz. But there was a dramatic spike in disappearances,

starting in 1995. And the questions were why 1995? And why weren't any of the bodies being found? There was actually a lot more women who went missing, but a lot of their bodies were found either overdosed, either murdered, either in a different city. But none of these bodies were being found, which is really strange, and none of them were being found in different cities alive. So this sounds like a serial killer, they're disposing of their bodies somewhere, and we

just haven't found them yet. So they kept trying to tell people this, and nobody, nobody cared. So finally, once they started beating on so many doors and the families kept beating on the police, they started a task force to handle missing women, but it did not go anywhere. Like literally nowhere, they had like one person on the team. They were just like, we're gonna call it this task force, but they didn't do anything as just a name. It was just to like shut people up essentially.

Yeah, cause it was mainly because there were all sex workers and police just didn't care. Yeah. Which is like still the same today, which is insane, but they just kept saying we haven't found bodies. It's not even a homicide. So they're saying we it's not even a homicide. Why should we put so much resources into it? Which is so messed up. So the sex workers, I mean, these women, they took their safety into their own hands. They had this woman shelter that all of them frequented in Vancouver and they set up this room. Now this room was heavily monitored

and only women were allowed inside. Even the male volunteer who worked every single day at this shelter was loved by everyone. He was not allowed in there. No man was allowed in there and they started this book, like a burn book, but it was called like the bad date list. So they would write the names, the descriptions of men, and names and license plates that said be where this is not a good John is what they called it. Like not a good client, very creepy. Be aware of this person. So they would go in there every day, go through the list

of people and make sure that they don't fall victim to whatever's happening out there. And they knew what the police refused to accept is the fact that there probably was a serial killer targeting these women and they just had to do everything by themselves even though they were already in such vulnerable positions. Now Dave, he starts focusing more on his demolition. Back to the pickedins, right?

He starts doing more top soil and most of his employees were high or drunk when they're like operating this heavy machinery, when they're digging up this soil just super high Super not in a good position and they would just leave mounds of soil all over the farm The farm is no longer looking like a farm if you drove up to that farm No one would think it's a farm. They would think it's a junkyard So you know will he started doing this thing where he would buy like close to 150 cars every year? Like not new cars, but junk cars that don't even work. And he would just literally leave them all across the farm. For what? This is like his little hobby.

He was like his little fun hobby. He would try to fix it up. He would try to mess around with it. He would sell them for parts. So 150 cars a year, junk cars. Then they also had all of this heavy, just like excavators and bulldozers all over the farm. They had like no grass anymore. All the soil was being sold. So they had just mounds of soil in and out of that place.

Like it was just dusty. Just not a farm. Meanwhile, they still had like pigs, a bunch of pigs living in these horrible conditions. It was just a nightmare and then the Hells Angels started hanging out there. So this is like a big biker gang and the Pictons would actually work for them. So the Hells Angels, they would steal these cars, bring them to the Picton farm. They would pick out all the parts that they can sell. Like a Hells Angels. It's like a biker gang. Oh, okay.

Like a gangster gang? Yeah, look a full-on gangster gang. I don't know much about the Hells Angels. I always just saw them in the movies. I think I saw one video of like a Hells Angels like saving a dog. I think it everyone was like, oh, but then everyone was like, they also kill people. So then everyone was like, oh, that's the only thing I know about them. Just the on the, oh. And so they would bring these cars and they would pick apart the parts that they can sell and the picked ends would then bulldoze a giant hole

and then just plop in full cars into the ground and cover it up so that this stolen car would never be located and they just sold the parts that made money so I can't even imagine how many cars are under their property. I mean it was insane. They would bury tanks filled with diesel oil. That's really bad. They would just bury them. They had no care in the world. Dave also had multiple sexual assault allegations, and anytime something was about to happen, Bikers, the Hell's Angel, would show up at the girls' house

and threaten her, make her scared. She wouldn't show up for the court date. So then he was only charged like a fine, like a $1,000 fine for sexual assault. And Dave was really gross with everything that it included work He didn't pay his workers so a lot of the times they would start stealing Dave or

Dave will be Dave the little brother. Oh, yeah, so he would he didn't pay workers So they would start stealing from him. He would actually get rid of contaminated soil So a lot of companies would call him out and say hey, we've got this land that we're trying to develop on But the soil is nasty. It's got you you know, benzene, tooling, heavy metals, just really, this is bad. So he would take that soil, bring it to the farm, mix it with some fresh soil, and then resell it to farmers to plant their crops in, with soil that had heavy metals in it. And no one knew a thing until later. The farm was a shit show.

They had a sign that said, Pitbull with AIDS, no trespassing. Who makes a sign like that? You can't even buy that off of Amazon. It's not even like Beware of Dog. Like, it's not a generic sign. They would have these crazy parties. They would bury cars, cows, bury your friend, like, do drugs. They would bury everything. And it was just the worst crowd that you could find

that was constantly hanging out at the farm. They would bully young kids into stealing cars for them or else the hell's angel would threaten to kill them. And every single night they would have these just ragers. So all of them would be done with their work. They would come back to the farm and just throw these massive parties, drugs everywhere. Now what's interesting is that the pickedins

were relatively sober. So Willie or Dave, they never did drugs. They never really drank drink they were just Constantly surrounded by it and Willie picked in the guy the serial killer his favorite thing to do was to buy sex workers drugs that was his favorite thing It seemed like it was a way of getting them to hang out with him But he felt in his heart that he was Robin Hood That he was helping these women. He was buying it, but not using it. No, just giving it to these women.

Oh, okay. And so as these parties start getting worse, they're like, okay, well, how do we make it even more disgusting as humans? They start a cock fighting business and it became this huge ordeal. There was a lot of dangerous groups in the area, so you had the Hells Angels,

but you also had different gangs of different nationalities, and would all show up and they would bet their money on which chicken would win and it was it was horrific. They had security guards all over the place just in case the police came. I mean this was a whole show. This was not like a sneaky little this was the whole operation. They charged admission. They sold food which was Willie's famous barbecue. Willie's famous barbecue beer Willie's famous barbecue?

Beer? Took a commission off of the beds. I mean, disgusting, really nasty group of people. And Dave's kids, they were always there. They were just like watching with their friends trying to get a better look at the chickens that were mulling each other to death. And another fun thing at these parties

was everyone loved bullying Willie. That was this thing. And Dave, the little brother of Willie, just let his friends bully his older brother. They always called him two tiles short of a load, which I think is like the Korean saying Ipropojok, which means like just 2% from 100%. Like you're 98% there in the head. It's like a saying in Korean, you know, but like you're just like two percent short

Yeah, of like functioning normally if that makes sense It's like a really mean thing It's not a nice one and they would let people steal things from Willy's room They would pour water on him because they knew that he was terrified of water on his face And he would just go berserk and that caused more people to want to do it because they're like, oh, I love traumatizing people. And it became more of a shit show because they only had one bathroom that didn't have a lock. So if Willie, he ever went in there to take his very occasional, very rare bath, people

would just like plop right in and take up who next time and he would get mad, but it's just. He's still getting bullied at this point. And he would actually like stop bathing at one point because so many people would just like make fun of him They would come in and be like oh look at you naked in the bath I don't know why they never thought to just like put a lock on the door But they never did and so finally once people started hating Willie Moore Dave got a couple new girlfriends and they were like I don't like your brother. He's creepy

He actually ends up kicking Willie out of the farmhouse So Willie stays in the slaughterhouse for months, sleeping on top of the freezers that they have. So he just like sleeps there for months. Finally, he decides, you know what? I'm gonna get a motor home. So eventually he has two different motor homes, one that is at the work site in Vancouver,

so like at a construction site for Dave's business, and then another one on the farm that had two front doors kind of important later, and it was near the back of the farm. It was really isolated and rather private. So now this was like working for the family. This is this is a vibe where like no longer all up in each other's business all the time. Willie's doing his own thing and Dave's getting along with him finally. Now enter in Lisa, the one friend that Willie had. So Lisa, she lived really close to the Picton Farm and her son was friends with Dave's son, right?

So they were always out running late. She was always nervous, so she kept calling the farm being like, it's my son there, like, why is he coming back home? And Willie picked up one day and was like, oh, yeah, I mean, I'll drive your son home for you. So he drove Lisa's son back to her house and that is when, you know know they just became super close friends. They would talk on the phone every day. She would go to the farm practically every day and she said that the only issues that he had came from non exposure. So small things. She would see him watching these like fantasy TV shows

which was really rare that he's watching TV but when he did he would get so sucked into it that he didn't even realize that this was not real life. What does that mean? Like he would genuinely think like Star Wars is out there. You know? Okay. But not like crazy.

Like he's not mentally insane, you know, if that makes any sense. He would just be too into it. Yeah, so 2% not there. Yeah, like 2% not there. And then she said that it was super amusing because he hated suspense. He hated like anxiety inducing things. His favorite thing though would be to watch detective stories or like spy stories like movies and he would play them, but anytime it gets suspenseful and someone's about to get caught, he would squirm the whole time.

He would push his back as far into the sofa cushions because he's like pushing back away from the TV and he would just be silent. Just could not bear the suspense of any of this. One time they went to a children's magic show and this is going to haunt her later and it's haunting me and Willie stared at her and afterwards said Lisa, I just don't understand how the magician could cut people in half, which later he does. So she's like, she said I just don't understand. Yeah, so I don't know if it means,

like how, oh, okay. I don't know if he's like, try and act dumb. I don't know if he means like, oh, and then put them back together. Because he is like a person who slaughters and he knows once you do it, you can't undo it. Yeah. So he just seemed like he just kept talking about, I just don't understand how the

magician can cut them in half. Yeah. And she was like, what? Like, you're an adult. You should know that this is trickery. This is not. He's actually what? Like, she was confused by this.

Now Lisa became the only one that could talk to Willie. And she would straight up tell him, she would say, hey, you're starting this small root. That was her favorite saying, you need to take a shower because you're you're offensive at this point. So he would go take a shower and she would clean up the trailer for him. And it seemed like he respected her in a sense. They were like siblings, but in the back of her mind, she kept saying, I just couldn't stop comparing him to Edgene in the back of my mind. Edgene was famous huh? Yeah and it's like Lisa come on like with the minute that you start comparing your friends to serial killers they're not your friend no more you gotta you gotta get out of there and so she

would say yeah just I always thought that Willie could be a serial killer like Edgene but for some reason I always knew that he would never hurt me and they would cuddle he would wake up with an erection, but he never tried anything, and she always remembered his legs. His legs were hairless, bony, white, and his feet were odd, he never cut his toenails, so they were like an inch long. Now he was really clean about something she noticed, he was really good about going to the dentist to get his teeth cleaned, like all the time, his breath would stink. I mean his breath was foul. But his teeth technically were cleaned by the dentist. I don't know why. That is so odd. He tried to keep his like shower somewhat

clean like his bathtub somewhat clean. He always set the table for dinner, which he thought was odd. So there was like weird things that he would do. And she just didn't understand it. He would buy all of Lisa's groceries, they would go shopping, and at this point you know he has a lot of money, and he would tell her if there's something you like that cost too much, just swap out the tags for something cheaper. It'll go through the cashier won't even know. Just like that's just so strange. I mean this guy has like some weird strange things going on. He was really generous, got her a Costco card, and she kept trying to get him to buy some vegetables, but he only wanted to eat the pork. Pork was his favorite, pigs.

Pork was his jam, orange juice, milk, potatoes. That's it, and then meat from the farm. Now, he really liked Alisa because she just didn't judge him. That was like a whole thing. I have mixed feelings about Alisa. I don't like her because she doesn't help the police investigation and women, women, lid really get murdered. that was like a whole thing. I have mixed feelings about Lisa. I don't like her because she doesn't help the police investigation and women, women, literally get murdered.

Come on, what the heck? Where is your moral standing? But at some point, like, I don't know, it's just weird. So they just... Do they like each other romantically? No, they're just like really good friends. Okay. Yeah, it's just so strange. It's hard to understand. Now, who hated Lisa?

Dave hated Lisa. They just spiced each other and it all started because Lisa felt like Dave was a shitty dad. I mean he had his kids working an excavator when they were eight years old. Worked them to the bone. Sometimes Dave's kids would hide in Lisa's house in her kitchen cabinets whenever Dave came looking for them. So she was like obviously they don't like working, they don't like this energy, this vibe to get rid of it. But he would just always talk to her like she was the scum of the earth. His greeting to Lisa was, hi you fucking loser, how are you? Every single morning, anytime Lisa was over, he wouldn't say hi, he wouldn't say, hey, you again, he

would say that line. And she hated it, but she was also so terrified of him. So every single morning, the picked in brothers, they would start their morning very healthy. Because breakfast is the most important meal. They would go to the local strip club and have their breakfast. Every no, not what you're thinking. Literally, they love strip club food. So they would, yeah, they would have their breakfast. Like the two brothers? Yeah, together.

And they would just go about their work schedule. So they'd be like, yeah, well, I'm slaughtering these many pigs today. Okay, you're going to do this truck business. Okay. And then we're going to meet here and then blah blah blah. And it just seemed like Dave was always the one in charge of everything. And Willie, if Dave said do this, Willie would do it. He would jump. He would do everything. Now, whenever people asked, really, what do you do for a living? He just said, I'm just a pigman, that's all, a pigman. So in 1994 Linda picked a negotiated the sale of the North end of the farm for $3.1 million because real estate developers realized that Port Coquitlam, which is where they were living,

was poppin. You know, it was about to be the next suburban area. So they were like, let's build some townhouses on the land. So they buy the North end of the land for $3.1 million. The next year, they sell two more parts of the land. One part to the city of Port Coquitlam, and it was for $2 million. That was to be turned into this massive park to make it even more family friendly. And then the second piece was actually sold to the city of Port Coquitlam's school district for $.1 million dollars and they were gonna put an elementary school right next to the park near the farm So the family just rich rich now. Yes now they're just I mean and then the rest of the farm that they still had Which was I think close to like 17 acres so there's like it sounds like they have neighbors right there and they do But it's still like 17 acres

Are you kidding like they still have privacy? They're still throwing these ragers. It's a farm The rest of it was estimated to be in like the eight millions at one point So if just all of the assets. I mean, I don't know their financials I don't know if because I believe the sister was talking about how they had to fix up so many parts of it before they sold it but they were estimated to be like three to six million dollars each, per sibling, they're not worth at one point. So I mean, they were rich. They were rich enough to definitely clean up the place,

to not be throwing these ragers and it's just odd that Willie was rich. It just makes the whole thing feel even grosser. So after the victims get rich, this is when even worse crowds start hanging around. So prior to this, the farm was still technically a working farm. I mean, it wasn't the best run. It was not the best quality, but it still revolved somewhat around work and then raging hard after work. But after they started selling off their land, I mean, just really nasty people from all walks of life started hanging out at the farm. They were just like trying to get a piece of their money. They constantly had workers stealing from them

Stealing tools stealing cars stealing literally heavy machinery just like driving an excavator down the street to take it home to sell it Like it was insane Everyone wanted money. They wanted loaned money. They wanted cars just Everything now with these new neighbors with the new sale of parts of the property they started noticing things. You know after the town house was built these new houses came in the suburban family started living there. They started noticing that Willie would use his farm equipment heavily in the middle of the night. Like he would just just dig and dig and dig. Oh the

neighbor notice. Yeah like these suburban families they were just like hey we're just like moved here in that farmer. Man, he works hard because in the middle of the night, he'll get up and just start digging these holes. Which is like, which is like, Dean Coral. Yeah, the candy man, because he would just have this new hobby of digging holes. Imagine telling people your new hobby is digging holes

and they're just like, yeah, you're not a serial killer. Go do you. So you just dig holes, bury pigs' bodies at night is what he did. And they said that the smell of the paked infarm was their biggest problem. You could smell their farm from down the street. It was just so bad. So these new families just excited about this new home that they have. Now they're dealing with just rotting smells.

What the fork is going on. Then the family starts a new business venture and they just start Raking in more money. I mean it was insane so Dave he was in the middle of demolishing this bar And he thought to himself wait instead of throwing away all of this bar equipment Why don't I why don't I start a bar with all of the stuff that they want me to throw away? So he stole literally the whole bar He stole like all the chairs everything and, and started his own recycled bar. And he thought, okay, well, what should I call this? People love my party so much. We make so much

money from these cock fights, from all of these radars that we throw. Why don't why don't we start this crazy club? Let's call it Piggy's Palace. It's crazy that these siblings are so successful, in a really odd way. Yeah. I know. It's so odd. It's like really, they're raging. Yeah, with their shitty situation, they're making so much money. So much money.

And so they pretty much just started their own recycled bar. Using their old demolished bar stuff, they got their good friend Scott Chub. Remember this guy who's going to become important later. Scott Chubb to help run the show. They named it Piggy's Palace. Um, they started serving Willie's famous barbecue at the bar that they were charged for. They had insane parties. So they only had enough seating for 150 people. But practically every night there was close to like 1500 to 1700 people packed in there. Packed in there. And Willie was so excited. Willie thought, finally, this is gonna be the place that I meet my girlfriend.

Like, I'm gonna have a girlfriend, finally. All these other guys, they have girlfriends, but I don't. So he decided to do a makeover on himself for the grand opening of Piggy's Palace. He got new clothes, new pair jeans, new shirt. He even went to a company called Hair Club for men and bought a $4,000 wig $4,000 put it on himself showed up at opening night people were shook He still didn't get a girlfriend and it didn't last long because it didn't occur to Willie that you had to wash the wig So it just became like madden on his head of just grease and oil and filth and like they had to like scrub

The wig off his head because it was just like stuck on him. Oh, he never took it off. Never took it off. Never washed it. Oh, okay. And so he finally had to like literally scrape it off of his head because it was just like matted onto his head with all the grease and all the oil and just like I just don't understand how he didn't even think to... And their bouncer at Peggy's Palace was like a well-known cocaine dealer. A lot of cops came off duties. That's like really cool, love that. They registered their business. The cop came as customers or? As customers. Ah, okay.

Yeah, I think that was to talk about how even city council members threw massive parties there. You're like, what kind of town is this? It's actually an amazing town except for the picked ins, you know, and every town has like their weird mix of people They actually um suddenly I'm like trying to move to Canada kidding. They registered their business as a nonprofit And they could have proved They were an operating charity They were an operating charity. Piggy's Palace, good time society, was a registered operating non-profit.

They said that it would be a charitable place where they would donate all the proceeds by throwing these crazy parties to charities. And it ran like that for five years. I mean, that's insane to me. People, you breathe once and the IRS is like, did you just breathe? Did you make money while you're breathed? But Canada was like good time society, Piggy's Palace, yeah, non-profit status. Here you go. They were making a shit ton of money.

Just on admissions because you had to pay to get through the door. They would make at least $18,000 a night. Sometimes $80,000 a night just on admissions. What's so good about it? Because it was like this hot spot for just wild. There was like no rules. You know, so like if other bars you had to be out by a certain time, you couldn't over drink. Pig is palace, no way.

You could do anything you wanted. So this is around the time that Lisa moves. You know, Willie's best friend, Lisa. His only friend, she moves because she started getting uncomfortable with the bar. She worked there briefly as a bartender and she just saw a ton of dangerous people. Just Hell's Angels, other gangsters, just a lot of dangerous stuff went down there. She didn't really specify but she just said it was creepy and she took her kids and she moved out of town.

She was like, I can't do this anymore. She was scared of the pickedins. So whatever she saw was that scary. Never this close. Yeah, he was absolutely devastated, but Sherna Fouilly replaces her with a new friend. Gina Houston, these are all kind of important characters. There's a huge cast of characters

and I'm trying to boil it down just to like the main pivotal ones, but Gina Houston, she was intense. People called her a con artist, a thief, a drug addict, a sex worker, and a madam of a brothel. So, she had a lot of going for her. She claimed that she was not a sex worker, that she was just a con artist, because if sex conned a man into giving her his money, then she's a con artist, not a sex worker. Which is like, I kind of see it, you know. And here's the part where I don't really like her, she became a pim at one point, so she would supply drugs to the girls, she would rent out rooms for them, and then she would pimped them out, she

really took advantage of other girls, and that's just like the shittiest thing you can do. And she saw Willie as a sugar daddy, as a long-term con. So she immediately was, you know, buddy, buddy with Willie, ooh, and he was quite gullible, and her job was to bring back woman for Willie. Now she claimed she had no idea that he was killing a lot of these women. She just wanted to bring him some sex workers, like a finder's fee, like a recruitment free. That was it. That's all she was doing. So there was a lot of tension between Gina Houston and Lisa. So Lisa, even though she moved away, she would still talk on the phone with Willie. And it was just, she felt like Gina

was taking advantage of Willie. There was just a lot and Gina knew it. Gina felt like Willie was in love with her. And he put her on this pedestal. He thought the sun shone out of her ass. That's what people said. He just genuinely loved Gina Houston. They talked about marriage.

They talked about getting married one day and starting a family and having this white picket fence and all of that, but everyone kept telling him, you know, she's using you Willie. She's using you for your money. And he would not believe it. He became really close with her kids. Gina Houston's kids.

And he would buy them little stuffed piggies. Really leaning into this pig farm theme. Okay. He would buy them teddy bears and they would call him Willie Bears. Just a lot of creepiness happening. Later on, Gina would actually tell people that they were engaged and she started calling herself Gina picked in at one time, so it just straight up seemed like he wanted his money. Now, Gina does remember a bad experience on the farm.

She had walked into the slaughterhouse where they keep all of their freezers one day, and there was this freezer that was never covered before, but today it was covered with this giant blanket over it. So she couldn't see into it. Nothing. So she was like, well, what's that? What's going on with your freezers or broken or something? And as she's approaching the freezer, he got in front of her, shook his head like a no. And she's backed out of there. And she never talked about that covered freezer ever, ever again. She just knew something was bad, but she didn't want to get into it because she wanted her money, you know?

She was in this for the money, she's not in it to know what's in the freezer. Now Gina starts getting sneaky with these girls. The sex workers, the women on the streets, did not like Gina. They didn't like her. The ones who knew her tried really hard to make sure that Gina did not have access to these shelters. Because that's what she would do. This is her go-to. She would find vulnerable women and she would ask them to come to the picked-in farm. Because most of the women, they would decline. They would say no. I've heard about the stuff

that goes on in that farm. They wouldn't necessarily say that he's the one with that has to do with these disappearing women, but they would say that he's creepy. He's smelly. He's just nasty stuff happens on that farm. Not even just Willie Picton, but like Dave Picton and their crazy clock fighting business, their ragers. Nope. I'm not going on that farm for no amount of money.

Like, I'm trying to be safe here, but she would target women that were either new to the area or they just got out of rehab. And just started working again, and they were desperate for money, or they were so addicted that they would be willing to do anything for drugs, or they were going through withdrawal. So they were in so much physical pain that they were like, oh my god, anything to get rid of this physical pain, I will do it. And so she would target these women, which is just disgusting. And then in came another woman by the name of Dina Taylor.

So she was another frequent visitor at the farm. It seemed more like a girlfriend than Dina. So Dina and Dina, they're both evil people in my eyes. Willie would use her to get other women to come to the farm because no one would come with Willie. But they would go with other women. Maybe you have wondered this. Maybe you look at the picture of me and you're like,

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Because they're trying to take them out to the farm like they're like don't go to the farm Like this this sounds crazy. So girls continue to go missing and the police continue to do absolutely nothing. And then we have the attempted murder of Tracy Boo Yan. Everyone knew who Willie was, she knew who Willie was, and she was living in a story at the time, which is the hotel that he was constantly lurking at. And he was a famous client. He would just cruise around and his trucks people knew him, but he was not a client of hers. So they just never really talked, and

he drove by one day, and he propositioned her, which kind of surprised her because she had her own list of clients, and he just wasn't a customer. So he was like, all right, $40 for a blowjob, get in the car, she gets in, and she said immediately, the stench almost knocked her out. She like, wow, the smell of it was like barn animals that were rotting inside of his Inside of his car his truck. So imagine what his actual house smells like so she decides. Okay, fine and He drives to his trailer. They get inside worse Absolutely discussing clothes everywhere the kitchen had a sink. I've had this propane heater I mean just everything was a mess. They he's like let's go to the bedroom

She had to dig her way to the bedroom like it was it was disgusting So they get into the bedroom. They do their business and as she's getting dressed He starts claiming that he can't find his wallet and he pulls out a nice and he says you don't you stole my wallet She's like no, I didn't so he comes out her with this knife and he cuts two buttons off of her shirt, which I don't know if he was trying to slice her. I don't know what was happening, but two buttons pop off and she freaks out. She runs out of the trailer and he just casually comes up to her and offers to drive her back to Astoria.

So she's like, okay, like I don't know what happened. He just like accused me of stealing his wallet. I didn't. And now he's like, well, let me just drive you what happened. He just like accused me of stealing his wallet. I didn't. And now he's like, well let me just drive you back. So they get into the car together. And while he's driving her back, he goes on and on and on about how he loves helping working girls. He loves helping sex workers.

He loves helping them kick their drug habit. That was his favorite thing. But they only get one chance. They only get one chance. And if they go back to the dope, well then, they don't deserve to live. They're useless. They're better off dead.

Which is weird. None of that makes sense. I mean, the type of girls that Willie was into were girls that were incredibly vulnerable. I mean, he was picking the most vulnerable, the ones in withdrawal. He would befriend them. He would buy them drugs. But then now he's saying that he would give them a chance to get clean, and if they couldn't, then they deserve to die, like they don't deserve to live.

It mean just really odd stuff. And then there was a woman that is known by Sandra or Stitch. So her name was in a publication band in Canada for the longest time. I think the publication band has been lifted, and you can technically find her name out there, but we're just going to call her, so her street name was Stitches which she went by in a documentary that I watched. She was 35 years old at the time and she was addicted to cocaine and heroin. She was spending close to like three, four hundred a day on these drugs which meant that she worked hard. She worked hard as a sex worker and she was making

you know good money. She was on a methadone program to wean her off these drugs so they would inject her with it, it would keep her calm and eventually it's like the road to recovery to be hopeful. She had two kids, she wanted to be there for them, she was like trying to get her life back together. She also loved gambling, so that specific day that she had this encounter with Willie, she had lost $60 and she was in desperate need of money because her pimp would beat her up if she didn't make the money back. So she starts going on to that road and around 10 to 11 o'clock at night, this man pulls up in a car and he says, well, how much for a blowjob? So she's like $70.

Okay, well how about like a little more? How about you come back to my place and co-quit them and we'll do everything and she's like, well, that's really far from downtown Vancouver. No, I don't want to go to the suburbs and he's like well I'll give you more money. I'll make it like a hundred dollars, bringing you back in one and a half hours by one o'clock in the morning. How does that sound? So she's like whoa okay that's going to be all my money back. I'm not going to get beat up by my pimp. Yeah okay sounds good. So she gets into the truck and they start driving over. Now immediately she asks him to pull over because she has to pee and

they saw this gas station and he just like ignores her and just starts booking it to the farm. Just strange. So they pull up and she said the same thing that I was saying, which is it seemed more like a junkyard than a farm. Like he kept saying come back to my farm so she was thinking this is like a farmer dude and it's like this massive junkyard.

I mean just beat up wrecked cars everywhere. They go inside of his trailer and she passed the kitchen on the way. This is so important. She said it was disgusting, grubby, dirty, and she saw this large butcher's knife sitting on the table, right? And she's just like, I mean, I guess, let's just really weird. They go into the bedroom. There is no bed, no mattress, just a sleeping bag on the floor, and a giant clear roll of plastic. That is so alarming. Like the ones that you would wrap furniture in, when you're moving it, not like a, you know what I'm talking about,

not like a serene wrap that you get at Costco. And so they do it, and after they have sex, she asks to borrow his phone. So she wanted to call her a pimp or boyfriend at the time that was at the hotel. She's like looking for the hotel number in the phone book, and she just wanted to tell him that she's coming home, and like really sad.

She wanted to tell him that she made the money back. So she was like excited and as she's flipping through this phone book she feels him just breathing next to her so she's like okay weirdo that's fine he's gonna drive me back it's all good and he grabs her left arm and just like caresses her left hand and then slaps a hand cuff on it and is trying to reach for her right arm to completely handcuffs her, but before he can get her right hand, she starts fighting back. She said she didn't know what was happening. She just thought about that butcher's knife on the table.

So he's beating her out, punching her, trying to get this hand cuff on her right hand. She's fighting for her dear life, grabs the butcher's knife on the kitchen table, slices him on the cheek and the neck and just keeps swinging, slicing, and he kept screaming, you fucking bitch, you got me good, kept punching her, and then he finds a stick, starts swinging the stick at her, she finds a plant, throws the plant at him, I mean she later goes on to say, I'm not gonna lie, I tried to kill him. Which by the way the jury loved her, like the preliminary jury, they loved her. Because she was just so straight to the point.

She was like, yeah, it was me or him. I straight was going for the jugular, like I was going to kill the dude. Either he died or she died was the feeling. And she felt all this stuff running down her chest and she knew that it was blood. Later we find out that she was stabbed four times, two times in the abdomen, one in the ribcage, one punctured her lungs and this massive cut on her left arm. So they both start blacking out because they both were stabbed multiple times, like he got a hold of the knife, he got a hold of the second, they

were just stabbing each other back and forth. So eventually they start to fight outside of the trailer and he collapses on top of her and he just like is unconscious. So she's like in and out of consciousness, rolls him over, runs out from the farm, and this is a massive farm. She felt like she was gonna die walking out of the farm, like she was just gonna plop dead before she gets out of this like massive plot of land. She goes to the neighbors house,

starts banging on the windows, I mean, leaving bloody handprints all over it, no one's home. So then she sees a car drive by, and old couple, they were driving by, they stopped the car and the guy is driving and he immediately says, don't stab us. And she's like, what helped me? And he's like, please don't stab us. And she realized that she's holding the knife.

So she drops it and she's like, please help me. And that is when the woman sees that there's a handcuff on her arm. And that's when she's like, we got to help her because this is not a fall through a window. This wasn't an accident, like something dark happened. So they get her into the back seat. Her intestines were coming out of her at this time. And as they're driving away, stitch says to the woman, miss, miss, look at your window. Do you see that little white car?

If anything happens to me, if I die, that's where the guy lives that did this to me in that trailer. So they call 911 on their phone as they're going to the hospital. They meet the ambulance on the road because she's in dire situation. They take her immediately to the hospital. She's in emergency surgery. Meanwhile, the handcuff is still on her hand and she's, she's like kind of amazing because she's like telling the story and she said, you know, I'm laying there and I'm telling the doctors to hurry the fuck up because I'm about to die.

She was like, can y'all hurry? Like I get it, like you have to do this whole procedure but like, fucking, I'm dying. And they're just taking their time. So while they're working on her, the doctors find out that another stab patient is coming into the hospital for surgery and it was Robert Picton. They find in his clothes, in his pocket a small little key. This isn't like a house key.

They're like hmm they go over to stitch and they unlock the handcuff with that key. So they're like I mean come on this is this is it. So the police get a search warrant for the picked-in property and you think that the whole story ends here. No, no, no, we're just beginning. Um, no. So his story after he wakes up is that she's a drug, she's a drugie, she's a sex worker, he, she tried to rob him. I mean they, they agreed on a hundred dollars but she found out that he had $3,500 in cash, she tried taking it, this was all self-defense, she started stabbing him first, all of that. And the police were like, well, I mean, it's still attempted murder, so we're gonna charge you for attempted murder. So he goes back home after all of this to recover, and they actually have Lisa come over from out of town, and she starts cleaning up the blood,

because there was blood all over this trailer, and she said it was just weird, something about it was weird, just all of it was weird. And Willy kept begging her to find out where Sandra lives so that he could finish the job. Because he was pissed. He was pissed because all of the stabbing and the blood and the sex they had, he had hepatitis C. And now he was blaming it on her, like a disease. He was like, this is all her fault. He also paid $150,000 for an attorney and a private investigator. For the attempted murder charge, and it worked because they scared her into not showing

up, she was terrified, and he got off on it, so he wasn't convicted. He was just charged for it, but he wasn't convicted. But again, this was a crazy story for all the women that were working, because she was a familiar face for all these women. This was someone that they knew, a lot of them were friends. I mean, this was one of their own. They were shocked that this happened to her, and the rumors just intensified about what was happening on the farm.

Like, don't do it, don't go to the farm, be careful of Willie. That rat-faced guy with a free dope, you know, that asked you to go to his farm, don't do it. So then all of these workers, they're getting really, really onto the fact that Willie Picton is just a weird dude. So Dave Picton starts coming around, driving around, looking for sex workers. They get into the car because this is Dave Picton. And they'll start talking to him, he'll offer the money, and then eventually he starts offering them a finder's fee.

If you can find me a sex worker to take to the farm, it's for my brother. He wouldn't really mention who his brother is, he would just be like, it's for my brother. Now some people were not familiar with Dave Pict it you know they just knew Willie picked it maybe they didn't even know that they were related so they were just say oh okay like a finder's fee that's not that bad and then I'll be with them when we go to the farm yeah okay sounds good so Renato is one of these women and she decided to introduce Sherry Irving she went with them and Dave told her don't, it's easy money. My brother is older and he probably can't get it up anyway.

Wait, so she brought a woman? So both of them? Yeah, so Dave, Renata, a sex worker, brought her friend Sherry, another worker, to the farm to meet Willie. There's two women going? Yeah. Okay. So one was just like, for the finder's fee. So Renata, it doesn't seem like she did anything with Dave at allata it doesn't seem like she did anything with Dave at all It doesn't seem like she did anything with Willie at all She was just there to bring a friend for Willie the fact that Dave was doing this is so odd to me And so she gets there and this this dude comes out and he looks just really nasty

It's Willie and he just points at Sherry so Sherry starts walking away and she turns around and says bye to Renata And Renata says for whatever reason it was just like this really strange feeling She felt like this was the last time she would see Sherry and this was the last time that she ever saw Sherry Then we have another woman go missing by the name of Sarah de Rys and like a ton of the victims like I was saying You know the police kept saying that they're running away They're working on a different gun or like a different country, they're working at a different town, a different city, don't bother us, stop wasting our time. And families were shook because these are not the type of girls that lost contact with

their families. A lot of them were actually still very involved with either their foster parents or their biological parents, like they were involved with their families heavily. They actually found Sarah's journal after she went missing and she wrote about it. Wrote about all of the missing woman and she wrote, am I next? Is he watching me like a predator does its prey? Waiting for the perfect time or spot for me to make a mistake. How does one choose a victim? Good question. If I knew that, I would never be snuffed. So she's talking about Sarah killer but not

necessarily Willie right? She is. She's talking about Willie? Yes. Because all these women are going missing and she was terrified that she would be one of these women and she kept writing about it and Sarah is I mean she writes poetry I have another poem I'm gonna read at the end of this by her. It's amazing her poetry is amazing I mean she's so good with her words, she's so eloquent. And she actually had a ton of family, a ton of friends who were like, hey, she went missing, police, are you gonna do anything? And that is when a customer who, who actually like fell in love with her. His name is Wayne Lang. He decides to start like this tip

line, put up posters of her everywhere. I mean he was desperately in love with her really. And that's when he gets a call. He gets a call from a guy named Bill Hill Cox. And he says that he was friends with someone who was really close to people on the farm. Her name's Lisa. Um, Lisa? Mm-hmm. And he says, well, my name's Bill.

And I have a story to tell you. I already went to the police about this and the police won't listen to me. So maybe you will, Wayne, you know, friend of Sarah who went missing. In Willie's farm they have women's clothing just piles of women's clothing piles of women's ID cards women's stuff some of them have blood on them there's blood on his farm and his trailer he has the super crazy industrial

size meat grinder which is never comforting feeling oh there's rumors that the food inside of his freezer is human there's rumors that sometimes he grinds human meat into the farm meat. So I don't know what's going on. Like this is just what I know. This is what Lisa said. And Lisa also said that she just um, she knew she had this feeling, this gut feeling that that's where all the missing women were going. So Bill Hulcock said told his friend Lisa, you got to do something about it. I get it. Will he's your friend, but you got to do something about it. She says, nope, I'm not going to do anything about it. I get it. Wille's your friend, but you got to do something about it. She says, Nope. I'm not going to do anything about it. And he says, well, if you won't, then I will. So he went to the police and they didn't care. So they talked to Lisa. And Lisa was like, Oh, no, like he's lying. So they don't have anything. It's just like he said, she said,

he said, she said, but it's like really intense. Lisa also said later on that the reason that she lied, because think about it, you know you have this gut feeling that women are being murdered. I mean, how can you not say anything? And she said it's because she hates cops. She said, and I quote, you give a cop an engine, they take a mile, they twist the story 10 ways to Sunday, and they blow it up.

Then now you're sitting in a pile of shit that you didn't even say in the first place, and they're twisting it in your face. Which like, I get it, you don't like cops, but people are going missing. Like that makes sense to me about like a traffic ticket, you know, like, you know, but women are good. And so they couldn't search his property because there was no eyewitness. Now when Wayne hears about this from Bill, he's like, well I'm gonna go to the police? And so there was more pressure when

Wayne started telling Sarah's family, Sarah's family started talking to other families, and there was a lot more just publicity that this entire thing was getting. And police officers wanted to get the RSCMP plus the Vancouver police, so I'm thinking like the feds. And the Vancouver police department all working together, because there were so many jurisdiction issues that it was just so difficult to even investigate the picked ins to even investigate these missing women. And the Vancouver Police, it didn't seem like they were doing

anything with it. And they were just like, nope. We don't care that women are going missing. We're not going to work together. Like this is my jurisdiction. This is my turf. Stay out of my zone. That's it.

And a few of the police, they were really trying. And the higher ups just did not care. A lot of them were interviewed to say that they lived with the guilt. They feel like they've failed these women. They feel like if these women were from different walks of life, think about it. If these were just middle class women who went missing at this rate, there would be roadblocks, there would be protests, there would be curfews, it would be crazy. But nothing for these women. Why?

There's still women, there's still people. Just because they have a different occupation, it doesn't make sense. So then another person comes forward later on, and his name is Andy Bellwood. Now this Andy is a friend of Gina's, and he was super desperate. He was straight out of rehab, just wanted to get a job to get back on his feet and Willie offered him odd jobs at the farm. So he starts working on the farm and they grow super quick, like super, super close. Like they were best buds. Willie seemed to really trust Andy. So about a month after him staying on the farm, Willie and Andy were watching TV and Willie's like,

well, let's go get a hooker. That's what he called them. He's like, well let's go get a hooker. He's like, well no I don't really do that. Like I know you guys do that on the farm, but I'm not really into it. I'm just trying to get my life back together. And really he's like, do you want to know what I do with hookers? I pick them up downtown. I tell them I have drugs and money. And then when I can convince them to the get to the farm, and then he gets up and he gets on top of the mattress in Andy's room and he starts kind of motioning in this like doggie style so he's pretending that there's a woman bent over in front of him and he's like caressing this fake imaginary woman's hair like softly touching her hair and he's saying then I do this and then I'll just grab her left arm and then

he pulls that handcuffs puts it on this imaginary woman's left arm and then he pulls that handcuffs puts it on this imaginary women's left arm and then I grab the other one and then as their handcuffed I start strangling them and I say things like that's a good girl things are gonna be okay don't fight it it's all gonna be all right as he's strangling these women and then he asks Andy do you know how much people bleed? You wouldn't believe how much people bleed. And then after they're dead, I take them out to the barn and I got them. Pigs will eat anything. Did you know that? And whatever is not eaten by the pigs, I take it to the rendering plant. So I think

Willie thought that Andy would be like, no way, that's so cool. Like I want to try that. But Andy's just like, cool. So he's just trying to like laugh it off. And then four days later, he gets taken in by a bunch of Willie's friends, and they just beat him up, brutally. Like he was practically dead. They beat him so bad. And they just kept asking, why?

Why are you guys beating me up? Like I don't understand. I didn't do anything. And they told that willy said that you're stealing his tools So it seemed like willy had regretted telling him so he genuinely thought that Andy was gonna be all aboard like yes Let's go do it together. We'll be like partners in crime, you know, but he wasn't like that He was just like what so he gets on a ferry. He leaves He's like I'm not I'm never coming back. I mean, he said that he didn't know that Willie was a serial killer. He thought that if he killed

someone, well, that's how the world works. You kill someone, you get caught, the type works. He's going to get caught. I think he was just really scared. So then another woman comes onto the farm and these are all very pivotal in his conviction. So Lynn Ellingsen, she was a friend of Gina Houston. But so the guy who laughed he never went forward. He'll come forward later. Later. Yeah, after he gets arrested. So then he's like, oh, he's in jail. Okay, let me tell you guys what happened to me. So then little Lynn Ellingson, she was an addict. She was in need of help and she started living on the big farm. She was a friend of Gina Houston. They were referred. she started working there, she started doing like these faxes and she was getting paid a lot for doing just

faxes for the farm work. And this money really fed her addiction. Like she was amping up her drug usage so much more. And finally one day, Lynn and Willie, they're talking and he says, well, do you mind coming to me downtown to get some sex workers? Because anytime I go by myself, they don't want to get in the car. They don't want to come to the farm but if you come it will be better. And she's like, well I don't really want to lure girls to your farm. And he's like, well come on, I'll buy you drugs. So she's like, okay fine. So they go, they get their drugs and they start propositioning girls on the street. And at first they're scared. And they ask Lynn, are you going to go there? And she's like, yeah, I actually live on the farm. So they're

like, okay, as long as you're there, I'll go. And this one worker, she gets into the truck, they get their drugs, they get their alcohol, they go back into the trailer, and Willy sits them down, and they're all high, except for Willy, and he says, okay, so which one first? So Willy and the girl, they go into his room, and Lynn goes away, and she starts doing drugs in a different room. And for some strange reason, she thinks that she hears a scream and she doesn't know she did, but she like hears something weird. So she walks towards Willie's room and nobody's in there anymore.

So she's like, what? That's strange. She sees a light on in the slaughterhouse in the middle of the night, which like he doesn't really do that. So she's like, okay, that's strange too. So she starts walking towards it and she hears noises. And right when she enters the door, she is faced by seeing a woman hanging from the hook that you hang animals.

There was blood dripping into a bucket. She just couldn't stop remembering that she had a red nail polish on, just dangling in the slaughterhouse. And she was about to scream when Willie pulls her aside and makes her stand next to this woman that is now hung on this hook That's dead and is bleeding out now and says if you ever say anything you will be right beside her And so he made her watch as he disemboweled her, but she didn't like look

She was like looking away in the whole time. She was so scared. She just kept saying don't worry. I'm not gonna say anything I'm just here for drugs So he didn't make her go away. Yeah, he continued because he wanted to scare her Wow into not saying anything cuz you know once you're that traumatized I mean Can you really go to the police like where's your proof? You know you were high and all of that like it? It's just so alarming so the coverage finally starts getting more intense. Missing woman story starts getting coverage. America's most wanted started talking about it. They actually did a $100,000 reward for it for anyone

because they kept thinking, oh, is this the next green river killer? Because not, you know, long before, Gary Ridgeway was arrested for being the green river killer, which I just finished a book on it by Anne Rool. So good, I might talk about that case, but continuing on. So the police start looking at men who were violent toward sex workers. Now they're getting the attention of everyone, even the United States are looking at Canada. Like, do you guys have a serial killer?

Because this whole time, it just seems like we do. Do you guys have one? You know, it was like this whole weird thing. So they're like, all right, all eyes are on us. We've got to start looking. So they start going through this list and, you know, Willie was one of these people because he was charged with attempted murder of a sex worker, but technically he was only one out of 40 on the suspect list. And if these people had come forward, he would have been much

higher. He would have been like prime suspect number one, but he was still just one of 40. And one of these women who was at these like, because they were having these massive protests all through Vancouver, was a Serena Abbott's way and she went to these protests. She actually had to take time off of work because a bad client had brutally beat her. She practically almost lost her life. It was a really dangerous situation and she kept telling the police in the news because they were interviewing her. They were like, well how does it feel being a sex worker knowing all of these women are going missing? How are you coping and all of these journalists are talking to her and she says that she has this sixth sense to get away from bad guys and after her experience where she almost was killed by a bad client, she will never meet another bad client.

She actually will become one of Willie's victims. So Lynn, she sees this whole experience right at the farm. Of this woman literally being murdered, she's the only eyewitness to an actual murder, and she freaks out, she leaves the farm, and she tells one of her friends. Now this friend calls the police and tells them the whole story. They're like, I have a friend who saw women get butchered at the farm. Like, you guys need to do something. But he wasn't credible. He was an addict. He was having issues with the chronological order of events.

You know, they told him, okay, come to the police station. They were gonna have the RCMP and the VP, the Vancouver Police Department. They were all gonna sit down together and watch him tell the story because this was gonna be like this joint task force if anything was gonna happen and the whole time that he showed up there he just could not concentrate he was high as a kite his credibility was negative 5,000 it was so bad to the point that the officer that had begged all of these other officers to sit down and listen to this guy's story He was so embarrassed. I mean he put his career on the line and this guy just kind of flunked it So that police officer is like no, I'm gonna track down lit. I'm

gonna track down the source, right? And he tracks Lynn down and she immediately comes in and without even being told a word, she's like, oh, you guys shouldn't even trust Ross. So that's the guy that came into the police. He's such a liar. He's like so high on drugs all the time. Just immediately starts discrediting him. And they're like, we didn't even tell you who told us. So that's weird. And she just denies everything. Says, I didn't see anything. Now, the police try to get her to cooperate

and they're trying to sympathize with her. They're like, we do autopsy, you know? We've seen pictures. Nobody wants to go through that. You're traumatized. You don't want to think about it. You don't want to envision it again. You want to get us far away from that side as possible. We get it and she just kept saying yes

Just all yellow and gross and they keep talking and at the end of the day I mean she left because they couldn't charge her they couldn't charge Willie She just kept denying all of what her friend had said But it stuck with the officer because after she left they were like wait She kept saying that it's yellow and gross. Human fat is yellow. And not most people would say that. I mean, some people might know that, but you're not gonna say that when you're I'm just bringing up autopsies. You might bring up blood. You might bring up, oh, yeah, murder, crime scene, you blood everywhere,

but you're not gonna say like yellow and gross about human. Like, that's very specific. So they begged her. They called her back and they begged her for a lie detector test. But she just like disappeared. Now, she had a reason to disappear because Lynn was actually blackmailing Willie at the time. She was getting like $10,000 a month saying, hey, I'm not going to go to the police, but you need to like feed my drug habit. You need to pay my rent, all of that. And Willie starts asking people about killing Lynn. So he starts

asking people and his whole M.O. about killing Lynn was to inject her with anti-freeze because she's already a druggy if there's needle marks on her no autopsy technician is really gonna really gonna care because she's already a druggy and it's gonna kill her they're gonna say it's an overdose and who's gonna miss another woman on the street that's what he kept saying and all these guys were like well I'm not gonna do it. This was two years before his arrest. If Linn had cooperated, he would have been arrested two years earlier. 11 more women would disappear on the farm. So I get it, I get Linn scared, but I don't get it because I mean, people are dying.

Come on, do better. They do have ever tried to put Willie under covert surveillance, so they've got some police officers and unmarked cars following him, but he's smart, he's not doing anything strange, and they actually spot a woman in Willie's truck, so they pull him over, turns out it's Gina Houston's 13 year old daughter and they completely blew their surveillance, because now he knows that they're following them, so he's not gonna go downtown, he's not gonna do anything suspicious, he goes under the radar at one point He actually walks into the police station and tells them I don't know why you guys are following me if there's missing woman I have nothing to do with it. They interviewed him for six hours and he said you guys can even come over and have a drink once

So the police they go over the same week and there was nothing in plain view in the trailer So it's just another dead end. They didn't have a search warrant. They couldn't just like go over for tea and start like digging around in his cabinets, you know. They can't do anything. So then they start going through other leads. There was a guy named Barry Thomas who was assaulting sex workers, investigated for all the missing woman. There was Robert Yates, an American who was arrested for murdering sex workers in Washington state, so they were thinking maybe he came to Canada. The Green River Killer, they said that he had been in Vancouver at one point, so they were like, did he have some, you know, victims in Vancouver? Is it all someone new? They were just all over the place.

So they started Task Force called Project Even Handed, and there was even an audit done about the first task force about the missing woman, and it showed that there was only like one or two officers and they had like no record keeping. So how can you spot a pattern of missing woman if you don't have records? That's the whole thing about patterns. So they were just like, I mean, I guess people are missing. That's the vibe I'm getting, but we don't have the record.

So how can we... So they start getting valuable information from the actual team that worked on the Green River team in Washington for Gary Ridgeway. And they start getting all of these profilers involved. And some officers were still being absolute ash holes about it. I mean, the mayor came out on TV and said that there's no way there was an active serial killer. And the families were upset because in Vancouver, in a suburban part, they had given a $100,000 reward for a series of break-ins and home invasions in a nice neighborhood. Like, no one was murdered, no one was missing, just

your garage was broken into while you were home, they took some like stereo equipment, $100,000. So these families were like, why not for our daughters? And the mayor said, because there are no bodies, a lot of these women changed their names, maybe moved to a new town. I don't think it's appropriate for a big award for a location service. Wow. Location service. Wow, wow, wow. So the officer, like I said, there's only a couple good ones. The officer that had interviewed Lynn. I mean, it's like eating him up about the whole Oh, it's so yellow and gross about the human fat thing. So he asked his boss. Hey, I'm working a different unit now

I'm not even on the task force for these missing women But do you mind if I pay Willie an unofficial visit? And so he said yeah, go ahead So he meets him at the farm and Willie was not phased at all. He just like spun this crazy story and said oh yeah Lynn and all of these people They're trying to blackmail me. I gave them jobs when they needed it. I tried to get them out of drugs, but they're trying to get all this money from me because I'm a millionaire,

even though I'm just a farm dude. I'm a millionaire and they want my money. And so afterwards, they shake hands. And this officer says, it was the weddest, limpest, grossest thing he has ever felt. Willie's hand. He just couldn't even describe it.

He said it was like the creepiest thing he had ever felt in his life. Was Willie's hand. Like just a simple shake. That's creepy. That's creepy. So creepy. Yeah, and the fact that he went out of his way to like talk about this. Why is this hand so limp?

I don't know. Aren't you supposed to be fern to butcher pigs and stuff? It seems like he's like, like I said, like that tall, lanky, just not tall, but like that lanky rat face, like just weird, with his high pitched voice everyone talks about. And he just, I mean, he felt like it fit the profile. He's this quiet polite, but messy, living,

everything that the profilers were saying that the serial killer would be, it just like fits him perfectly. But then things kind of died down again because it was like the summertime and there was not as many people going missing. So everyone thought to themselves, maybe the serial killer is gone, maybe they're dead, maybe they're already in prison. Because why are they taking a hiatus? But the people who knew, they knew.

Will he love to kill during the holiday season? So some people say that it's because the farm has a schedule. So during maybe the spring summer months, it's a lot busier, and then winter time, it slows down. But it also seems that he gets really lonely during Christmas. He hates Christmas. He talked about it once. He said that he hates it so much because there's not even sex workers on the streets, on Christmas day. They're all with family, they're all in the shelters, you know? They're all like enjoying their time not working,

but he's completely alone. So one time during Christmas, he was so upset that he was alone, that he got two pigs to release them into just like the city. And they got so scared, the pigs were running around, just like terrified. And all these police officers came out on Christmas day, frantically trying to catch them, and he thought it was hilarious and then he said that the next year for Christmas he wanted to release bats into a fancy hotel

in Vancouver he was gonna rent a tuxedo and release a bunch of vats into the vats into the elevator shafts just to cause chaos for people and he was really sad about that so then more stories start coming out about Willie, you know, the police are kind of dying down on their search for Willie, more people start talking. There was a woman by the name of Katrina Murphy. She was hitchhiking after visiting her husband in prison. And he gets into his car, says it smells disgusting, like rotting meat. And she kept mentioning her husband, but once Willie found out that he was in jail, he said, well, he won't miss you if you don't come home tonight. And she kept mentioning her husband, but once Willie found out that he was in jail, he said, well, he won't miss you

if you don't come home tonight. And she kept saying, no, he's gonna miss me. He calls me every single night, like, don't be crazy. My husband has friends on the outside, like she was trying really hard. And then she realized this is like a Ted Bundy moment because there are no handles on the inside doors. Just Willie's door.

So she panics and he's bed sped past their little drive-off spot like the part that they had agreed on that should be dropped off. So she starts searching in her purse casually just like home just looking for some gum. She grabs a pencil stabs it into him and starts pressing her knuckles into his eyeballs and she stops the car and she dives on top of him and opens the door, face first, into the cement, bleeding everywhere, runs away and she looks back to see if he's chasing her, and he is standing outside of his van just laughing. So she runs to the nearest gas station and the police get there, they take her statement,

and they just leave. They don't even take her home. So an old guy working at the gas station offered to take her home and thankfully he was nice. Thankfully he's not another Willie, but um, yeah, she was like driven home. But imagine the police don't take her to the hospital. They don't get her treated. They're just like, okay, thanks for your statement, ma'am. Bye. And then there was another woman. She gets into Willie's car with a couple of her friends. It was $100 to go back to the farm and she said that the smell was so bad.

Now for her, she has really bad asthma. So she started having an asthma attack because of the smell, with that bad. And she starts just choking on air and she begged to be let out because she needs fresh air, right? And he said, okay, but first he punches her in the face and then he opens the door and just pushes her out of the car.

Wow. And again, this was not reported to the police. Now, the police are having a dead end. People are getting mad, the community is starting to talk. A lot of different countries are starting to talk about it, which put a lot of pressure on Canada, because of course, like when it's like the international scene. It's like a lot. So they're like, we gotta find this zero killer. People keep saying it's a zero killer.

It's not a zero killer, but we need to have some sort of logical answer because if we don't, everyone's just saying, oh my God, zero killer, right? And they have no leads, no tips, and out of nowhere by sheer luck, by sheer coincidence, not police work, they get a tip. So remember Scott Chub, the guy that was working for Piggy's Palace, the guy that was pretty close to the Picton Brothers, and he

actually owed $11,000 in child support, and his, the mother of his children was getting pissed off, so she called the police on him. He gets arrested for not paying his child support, and while he's in the cop car to these random cops, he's like, well, I have my rats do. Like, I heard some people are like paid informants. Can I be like a paid informant? I know a lot of people. I know a lot of, I can rat people out. I'm not scared to be a rat.

I know people who are like growing marijuana. Yeah. And they're like, yeah, we don't really care about that. And he's like, cocaine, I know cocaine dealers. They're like, no, we already caught so many cocaine dealers. Like, we're fine. We don't need another one. And he's like, what about like illegal firearms?

I know people who have illegal firearms. And that's when they perked up, they're like, illegal firearms. I mean, that's a pretty good charge,, what about like illegal firearms? I know people who have illegal firearms. And that's when they perked up. They're like illegal firearms. I mean, that's a pretty good charge, right? Who has illegal firearms? He's like, well, I have this friend, Willie, um, he lives on a farm, and he let me a gun that was like illegal. And there was bullets in it. They're, it's not registered. It's illegally owned. I, I know where he keeps it. I know where he keeps a bunch of illegal guns. It's in his laundry room. Can I be paid for that type of information? They were like, you only get paid after we find,

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Called Chub back. Scott Chubbs. So they're like, called Chubbs back. So he comes back in and he's like, yeah, no, he's a crazy dude. And they're like, tell us more about Willie. He's like, one time, he asked me. He said he would pay me a thousand dollars to go inject antifreeze into a hooker that's how he called them okay because she was she was getting all this money out of him I mean he was pissed and he said that if I just

inject some antifreeze no one's gonna know they're not even gonna do an ops hot seat because she has so many needle marks and it's just gonna be categorized as an overdose so they're like what what so all of this is starting to add up right and they're like, what? What? So all of this is starting to add up, right? And they're like, okay, well, we're going to have to judge for an illegal firearms search warrant. And they get one. So they had about an hour to administer this warrant. They go on and they start searching as trailer. So they start knocking, they start peeking around, and they knock his front door. Like I said, he had two doors, so he pops out of the other one, makes eye contact with these police officers, slams its shut, and tries to lock them out of the trailer.

So they ran the door down, and they immediately arrest him. And the investigators, they said that they immediately started gagging. I mean, bugs and poop everywhere it was disgusting, but they had to go with their search. So the police find, they find the gun over the washing machine in a box. And they don't really look at it too much because that's not what they're here for. They're here to dig around. If they can find anything that leads Willie to the missing woman, they can get another search warrant that can cover the whole property. That's what they're there for. They're not there for the gun. Who cares about that gun?

So they start going into his room. They find a pair of handcuffs. They find several pieces of woman's jewelry, a flare gun, another pair of handcuffs. Some of them with blood on them, several large cable ties, two dildos. A nightstand on his bedroom floor had a box of kitchen knives and different sizes, books and papers with Heather bottenley's name on it, which is a missing woman. And in Halear for Serena Abbott's way, another missing woman, lots of women's clothing, lots of women's ideas, like even like birth certificates. Oh my god! And the reason is because a lot of the time sex workers carry everything with them, because they don't necessarily have a home. So he just had all of this inside of their house. He had a glass jar with women's hair and hair ties. They found syringes filled

with antifreeze. They found syringes filled with antifreeze. He had tons of disgusting sex toys. He had one called Miss Lady Flexible Multi-Speed Stimulator, a box labeled G-spots on it, Loub, in Dave's office. They found like a full-size blow-up sex doll on Willie's desk. They found an inflatable blow-up pig that was known as a fuckable pig. That's what everyone on the farm called it. Just like a blow-up pig, but you could essentially do it, I guess. Which is like so normal, I guess, if you don't have a fuckable pig, you're doing something wrong.

There was an envelope full of teeth. So they take a picture of everything. And finally, they're like okay search warrants about over we just need to get the gun and then we need to go apply for like the full search warrant when they open up the box of the gun and it they realize there's some like plastic wrapping on the revolver and they open it up fully they take a look at the gun and they realized that he had pulled over a curved plastic dildo over the barrel of the gun.

So the gun, he had put a dildo on top of it where the bullets would come out. The gun was loaded with five bullets, one shell casing was used, and either that is how they, he killed someone, it did have missing woman's DNA on it, but the idea they thought was that he raped them with a gun to make them feel incredibly fearful.

I don't know if this was the method of anyone's cause of death, because by the time that they find these woman's bodies, I mean, there was barely anything left, but there was DNA on it to show that there was something going on there. So they get a full search warrant for the entire property. And this search was insane. They had a breakdown, the investigation into different sites. Different sites. They had police patrolling the perimeter.

They actually eventually got a card swipe machine because I mean, the defenses gonna, will you pick down and his lawyers are gonna look for anything that the police do wrong to get him out of this charge. So they had like one of those metro card swipe stations for every police officer. They had to have a card to check in. You can only come in with access with the card and each card, you only had a site that you could go to

and you were doing a specific job. Everything had to be organized to a tee. And we're talking about like 17 acres here. It was insane. The fire department had to bring intense lights, generators. They actually brought in hundreds of students at colleges that were studying anthropology that would know how to excavate a site and they were working under forensic anthropologists who were going through looking for human bones.

They had to have on-site therapists and counselors for the police officers. So right now everybody basically knew what happened here. But they don't have any, they couldn't charge him with murder yet. Is that not crazy? So during most of this, he was being surveilled by police, but he was a free man. He got out on bail for the illegal firearms, but he was just walking around.

They needed proof and the IDs was not proof enough. What? Because you could say, you know, so they needed like something, like a human bone, something to say this was a murder that happened and They knew they immediately knew that they would have to dig up the soil to the undisturbed level like this is gonna be a lot They had to create grids of soil and they would get these like conveyor belts and they would sift through the soil Then the students would have buckets that they would put all the bones in and then they would take it to a tent where they would distinguish between animal bones and then human bones and then the human bones would be DNA tested. They all had to wear hazmat suits because there was so much diseases in the air because when you just like berry carcasses like that, I mean you could get infected with, I don't know, just a whole bunch of nonsense.

It was insane. I mean the price was having a field day. They knew that there were talks about a serial killer, but they were kind of expecting a situation like the toolbox killers, like a man in a truck that kidnaps women from the street, you know, not a fucking farm. They were not expecting. And then once that settled into everyone, that's what everyone was like, the scope of this thing is about to be insane. Because people called it the perfect place to kill someone, an isolated farm. With all this heavy machinery, you already have a slaughterhouse filled with blood everywhere, and then press got word of the stitch incident where he literally a woman was running from his property, naked handcuffed, stabbed with her abdomen falling out. It was just insane, and then word got out that Willie Picton is a millionaire.

And then things got even crazier. And they called in Bob Stair, who is a well-known retired RCMP officer. And he was a former coroner for British Columbia. And he had searched for excavation of human remains in several war-torn countries and helped ID remains in the 9-11 attack. So he was really good at this.

And he formulated a team to go through all of these bones. Now the press at the front gates, the families are there, no one's getting any news. I mean, the police were so tight-lipped about this, which I understand, but these families, these poor families, and there was one instance where they've been out there for days, just trying to get a look into the farm, trying to understand what's going on, and one reporter

sees a shoe. They're like, look, a shoe! And it was just dead silence, all the cameras are zooming in on this shoe. And after a couple minutes, everyone's looking around, feeling stupid, because they're like, it's just a shoe. Like, what is happening to us, you know? They had reporters come in from the United States just everywhere, which by the way, there was so much tension because Canada has like

publication bands that the US does not respect at all. So there are so many cases in Canada where Canada is like, hey, you can't publicize their names. And then the US is like, all right, let me put it online. So there was just a lot of tension with that. The parameters of the search, I mean, it was really bad. Fourteen acres, not including the new houses or the park or the elementary school that the farm had originally

had access to, but they decided not to search those areas later on. So they would search everything. Everything, not including the ground. So they still have to search every part of the ground, dig into the ground. But talk about all the cars, the machinery, there was Willie's trailer, the slaughterhouse, the motorhome, the mechanical shop that had

a loft upstairs, they had a garage, a workshop, and a barn, and the original victim farmhouse. Those were just the buildings that were on the 14-acre property. And the pigs were not in great condition. I mean, they had to have vets come in, a lot of them had to be youth and ice, there were dead pigs all over the place, like these pigs were living in some of the worst conditions they had ever seen before They were not taking good care of these pigs at all This slaughterhouse, the hook that you hang the animals on was tested positive for human flesh and human blood as well as animal blood The freezers inside of the slaughterhouse, it took them two days to get to the freezers

There was so much junk in the way They couldn't even open a freezer without like getting and also I mean I guess Willie would have done it differently but the police they have to log evidence. They have to make sure there's nothing You know, so it took them two days once they get to the freezer. They see these buckets And inside were the vertically cut hollowed skulls of two women and Inside of these hollowed skulls of two women and inside of these hollowed skulls were their hands in feet. So he had cut the skull open in half,

put their hands in feet in there, and then closed it, put it into a bucket. Just like the Jane Doe skull that was found at the river. And there was like another human head, just like sitting in the freezer, not in a bucket. Where the pigs were kept and where they ate, they found another woman's jawbone and other pieces of bone. So it does seem like he was feeding the pigs human remains.

And it took them years to search this property, two years, I believe. What? It was so bad during the preliminary hearing. So finally, he was arrested for at first two murders because they found evidence of two people, right? Yeah. And then eventually, as it went on, it led up to 27 victims, but the belief

is that there are much more. Especially, I mean, they couldn't even search the rendering plant. Yeah. So they found 27 victims, and each victim, they only found bits and pieces. Maybe a tiny piece of bone here, a tiny tooth here, a little bit of blood DNA here, that was about it.

I mean, there were a ton of remains. So the way that he disposed of the bodies, the thought is that he would treat them like his animals. A lot of the same injuries that the victims had were the same as what the pigs would have. He would have hung these women by their ankles, by their tendons. He would drain their blood into a bucket, take out the intestines and organs, feed some to the pigs, and then the actual bones that people would recognize, right? Like skulls, hands, feet, you can't really say that's an animal, right?

Sometimes like bones, you can pass it off as like an animal, maybe, arm bones, right? But those are very identifiable. Like that's a human. He would either bury them, he would put them in buckets, I guess, or take them to the rendering plant. And the ones to the rendering plant are the ones that you never discover. That's it. And he would mix in some of the pig or the human meat with pig meat, and sell that or cook it for their rager parties that they would have. He would dispose of it. He would feed it to the pigs.

Just a lot. So imagine how many people in that town has consumed. So they let out a report, and they did a public safety announcement. I was like, hey, this is what happened. But nobody knew the degree of cross-contamination because we're not only talking about the soil. So Dave was taking soil that might have buried remains to other farmers.

Dave was contaminating soil on its own. So Dave is contaminating Canada by himself. And then we have Willie going to the rendering plant, turning human remains into cosmetics essentially. And then we have meat being sold, we have these pigs that are eating the meat, then being slaughtered, and then being sold. It was just so much contamination. Yeah, and also what's up with Dave?

Does he know what's going on? So I mean, that's like the public opinion that he must know if anything he might even be a ringleader or heavily be involved, but he was never arrested for it. Because he for sure bought a person there. Maybe he just didn't care. It's just weird. I feel like Dave knew for sure. Yeah, like the fact that the woman keep missing and then they use this butcher room.

Yeah, it's weird. And so the DNA testing was insane. So they actually asked a lot of the family members to give DNA, or they would give toothbrushes, or hairbrushes to get the DNA from. Women that didn't have close family members, they would go to the women's shelter. They would do pap smears there to make sure the health of their, like the vaginal health was good. So they would take DNA from pap smears.

Overall, 200,000 DNA samples were collected, 600,000 evidence from the crime scene was taken, $70 million on the search itself, just excavating the property. But the trial would cost another 100 million. Geez. So $170 million went into this. He would later tell the police that he felt like Princess Diana. Because he was getting so much negative media attention.

And he just felt like it was just a lot like in Princess Diana. Willie Picton is Princess Diana. He said that they were nailing him to the cross. He loved giving the same old sob stories about how he's just a little farm boy. Just a little farm boy. Life is tough. He's worked his entire life. He's all about that farm life.

Dave is the bad one, he kept saying. He is the type that if he needed money, he would ask his parents for $0.50, but not Dave. Dave would say that he needed $2, even if he just needed $0.50. Sometimes he would talk about how he slaughtered forty two pigs in one day. While he was talking to a police officer once before he got arrested for the murders, because he was just out on bail and being surveilled, he talked about how, well, you guys might find legs, and they might look human, but they're not human. And she just kept saying, but they're going to come back as human, aren't they? And he kept saying, no, no, but if they do, I'm screwed, huh?

Willie, come on, they're gonna come back as human. What animal could it be then? What animal really even has human legs? You don't have animals like that on the farm. And he kept saying, they're not human. But what if they do come back human? Like, it was like this weird conversation. And then eventually he was like, they're ostrich legs.

And that was the end. Um, like they're ostrich legs and that was the end. Um, have you seen ostrich legs? And so finally February of 2002 Willie was arrested 51 years old and he actually refused to shower before going forward to a judge because he said that they didn't have a bath and he only took baths. He would later tell someone I have rights don't I? Because he only takes baths, not showers, and they only offered him a shower. So he was arrested first for two counts, then four, then six, and then it graduated, you

know, to 26, gradually over time. They would add more charges, even during the preliminary hearing, they would come in and be like, hey, judge, so we found remains of another female, and they'd be like, okay, so now we got to change the writing. So now what are we at? Like, while the preliminary hearing was happening, but he was suspected of at least 49 murders. Why 49? This is not a random number. He will tell us it's not. So the police interrogation, they tried really hard. He kept acting stupid and he kept saying, this is so strange, how can this happen to me? I'm just a farmer boy. He tried to blame some of the clothes and ideas and inhalers on the fact that he bought 150 junk cars a year. They were filled with junk, they were filled with women's clothing. The dildo on the gun, that was just a silencer for the gun.

I didn't have a silencer and I didn't want to wake people up. So I just put a dildo on it to like silence the sound of the gunshot for when I shoot pigs. Not humans. They're like, well, what does it have a woman's DNA on it? Mona Wilson's a woman who literally went missing and we found other parts of our DNA all over your trailer. Well, I don't know. Okay. And finally, after like 11 hours, he was interviewed for 11 hours, not a peep. The police officer said, frankly, you've got more zip in you than I do,

meaning like you are zip tight. Like you're not saying anything. Why not give me everything? He said, why should I do that? For the families, they need to know. Not my problem, shit happens. He's evil. So the police decide we got to go harder with him. And I think that this is like Canada's favorite thing to do, which is like sadly it works, but it's a cell plant. Remember Jeremy stank

with his little inmate in the car. That was a police officer that was like fucking yeah, I killed people and Jeremy was like, oh yeah, me and my old lady, right? Well, they did the same thing to him. They planted someone in his cell that was an undercover cop that was pretending to be an inmate. And they just like kept riling up, Willie. They were like, you're a legend man. You're the pig man. Everyone's talking about you.

And so Willie gets excited about how famous he's becoming. He's like, yeah, you know what they're saying? So you know how my town is called port cuckuitlam. Now they're saying port Cucuitlam. Ha ha ha. And the end made it's like, mm-hmm, that's so good. That's so funny.

Ha ha ha. And he's like, yeah, the whole fucking world knows about me all the way to Hong Kong to like everywhere. And he's like, that's so cool. He's like complained about how they only offered him a shower and not a bath. And then he got compared to OJ. And that was the only time that Willy shut up because he was like, OJ, who's OJ Simpson?

And he's like, OJ Simpson, that's what happened in America. And then he's like, what's happening to him now? He's free. He's like, he's free. And he got excited. Oh my God. So then one day, after another interrogation. He's like eating food, right and looks nasty The videos on YouTube if you want to watch it his like one video of him talking to himself

Cell plant it's been released secret recording. Yes. Oh my god I'm like he knew there was a camera there, so I don't know what is wrong with him So he's like eating this like nasty prison food. It looks really nasty. And he's like talking about how many you killed, the inmates talking about how he's a killer, and he just looks at him and does a five zero motion. Like a five fingers in the air and then a full zero, right?

50. And he says five. No. And then he does it again. And the cell plan goes 50? Yeah. And he says, no. Fuck, you're, you're, which by the way, cell plans, I swear to God, these undercover cops,

so like, how do I be an inmate, just say the F-bomb every two seconds. He's like, fuck, you're a fucking, full of fucking, you're shedding, fucking me. Like, he was doing the most. And he was like, you're, you're shedding me that's crazy. Um, well I, I threw my people in the ocean. Do you know what happens to people in the ocean? The ocean does things to people. There's not much left. And William looks at him and says, I did better than that. And he walks over to him and he whispers straight into his face, which like, I can imagine the smell, a rendering plant.

And he starts saying only I was kind of sloppy at the end to get into sloppy. They got me because I got too sloppy. I was gonna do one more, make it an even 50. That's why I was so sloppy. I just wanted one more, make it the big 5-0. And the sale plant is like literally out of word. So he was like sail plant is like literally out of word so he's like 5.0, 5.0, just half a hundred, this fuck, like he was just like cool, cool man. And he starts bragging about how he's bigger than the ones in the states. He was like yeah, they say I'm bigger than the green river killer. Yeah, Gary Richray, I'm bigger than him. That was a plan, you know, do 50, take a break for a while, and then I was going do another 25. Then that would be 75, and then another 25, a hundred. Needs laughing. Needs like 49, man. I almost made it. Almost made it and done 50 yet, you know?

The pigs are baffled. He's like, the pigs! Your pigs on the pink farm, and he's like, no! The cops, the cops are pigs. The cops like, the cops are pigs. The cops like, the fucking pigs. Those cops, those wink, wink, wink, cops, winking around just, what do they even do? They don't even talk to killers. They don't even do their job on what? Come here.

You're freaking out. He's, I'm sure he's freaking out. He's like, well, they nailed me to the cross. You know, I'm definitely going down now. Something about DNA evidence. But if I go down, I'm taking 15's freaking out. He's like, well, they nailed me to the cross. I'm definitely going down now, something about DNA evidence. But if I go down, I'm taking 15 other people with me. So this is the part that drives people insane, because nobody else was technically charged

with these murders. Yeah. But I mean, it seems like there's got to have been people involved. He said I'm taking 15 with me. Yeah. So I feel like there were definitely people who knew about it, definitely people who had witnessed it Maybe some men who also partook and it maybe some woman who knew that he was killing these women still still Lord them to the

Fire. Just think about it, right? He told one of the guys. He did the whole motion on the bed so bluntly. He his best friends, right? Oh, best friend New about it. So he's not hiding these things. He's just kind of telling these to these criminals. Exactly. And a lot of them didn't do anything, right? So yeah, I believe it. But no one else gets turned into their convicted. I don't think, okay, some people speculate that Dave is the ringleader and all of this and Wendy will, Wendy, Willie is taking the fall for it, but I doubt that one. I think Willie is forced up, but I do think that his brother knew, I think that there were other people who took part in it,

and he fell asleep before he said, that's bigger than the Green River, just one more. Which is technically false, because the Green River Killer was convicted of 49, but he confessed to 71. But it seems it's weird. I don't think he was motivated by these serial killers. I think it just came up in conversations and he just felt really good about it afterwards.

Like sick and twisted. So the preliminary hearing, all of these people testify and the whole defense, their main strategy was to just bring up the fact that, hey, how can you testify against someone when you're a sex worker and you wear high on drugs? But it just didn't work. Like the jury was not having it. So the trial decided or the judge decided they call it the crown, which is fancy. Yeah, like how we would call it the court.

The crown decided that there was going to be two different trials for him. And the first trial would only be for six of the murders. And then the second trial, they would try the other 20. And this caused so much outrage because everyone knew there wasn't gonna be a second trial. Let's be real. So he would be tried for the first trial, for the murders of Serena Abbott's way. They found her in Hailer there.

She was born to indigenous parents. She grew up with foster parents. She had a long history of sexual abuse and physical abuse. She started coping with drugs. And she, you know, like a lot of women gravitated towards downtown. And her brother said, Serena did not choose to live the life the way she did.

Circumstances chose it for her. She had a really rough upbringing. And she started sex work. She had a life-threatening injury. A client had beat her so badly, like I said. She was in a coma with a fractured skull. She had a steel plate put into her head. She returned back to work, started going to church, and she loves singing hymns.

She wanted to be baptized. And everyone who knew her said that the Lord was beginning to do his work and beginning to touch her life. And these health conditions started getting worse. In 2001, she was on several medications for asthma. And she was supposed to visit her foster parents soon for her birthday at the end of August, but that's when she disappeared.

And they started freaking out. She actually also wrote a poem about all of these women around her disappearing, and she said, you were all part of God's plan. He probably took most of you home, but he left us with a very empty spot. And then Monalie Wilson, who was the youngest of five children in an indigenous family, when she was six, CPS found her beaten and scared in the hallway of an apartment building. She was placed in a youth treatment center, foster care, and they actually moved her to a farm, and she was loved and cared for, and she started to really trust people and like, just be a child.

She had never been a child yet, and she was kind of a tomboy by nature. She loved animals. She actually loved going to school. She hadn't gone to school yet, and she she was six because her parents weren't taking care of her, so she loved even just going to school. But the foster parents believed that in her teen years, the memories of the sex abuse started really tormenting her, and she started looking for some relief in drugs, and she started working downtown, she wanted to kick her habit, she started looking for detox centers actually around the time that she went missing. She started finding rehabs but all of the affordable ones never had extra space. So she kept getting turned down. Andrea, Josberry, her grandparents said that she was the cutest, most stubborn, most opinionated, kindest little

girl. Her dad went to jail for beating his wife and his children and when he got out, Andrea was just so desperate to have a relationship with him. He wiggled his way back into her life. And so from that point, when she was 16, she met this 30-year-old man. And he kept telling her, I love you, I love you, we're gonna get married

and have this beautiful life together. And that's what she wanted. She just wanted this beautiful family. She gets pregnant. She tells everyone that they're gonna get married. And she moves in with him and all of it was alive. She gave birth to a baby little girl and turns out that the 30-year-old man was a pimp and a drug dealer, and he had a bunch of children from a bunch of other women that he was selling

on the streets. So his goal was to get her addicted to drugs and to sell her, when she refused. She wanted to be there for her child, just like, I'm not doing drugs no way. Then one day, social services came up and just snatched the baby out of her arms. It speculated that that man called them because he wanted the baby adopted because that wasn't part of his plan. So that shattered her life

and she ended up turning to drugs under the influence of that man. And she went on to try to do methadone treatments and that's when she failed to show up. Her doctor was like, nope, this is so unlike her, she's really trying to get clean. She would have shown up. So the doctor called the grandpa right away,

and the police just did not care. Then we have Brenda Ann Wolf, who is an indigenous woman, worked at the hotel as a bartender and a bouncer. She was so well loved in the community. The girls loved her. They said she stuck up for girls whenever they went in trouble. She's the type that would take on two to three men if they were causing any of her friends trouble. She's like, you're not doing this.

She would help any other woman for nothing. She had this beautiful smile and she had this beautiful sign as well and she was ready. I mean, she had given him up to have a better life for him and she cherished him. She was ready to like get her life back on track. And then her friend Maggie actually said that when Brenda disappeared, she was so distraught that she checked herself into rehab and she had never done drugs since then. So she feels like Brenda saved her life. Then we have Marney Leigh Frey.

Marney's mom was a beautiful indigenous woman and they had this really beautiful family until Marney's dad found out that Marney's mom was dabbling in drugs. And so that kind of led to divorce and there was just a lot going on. The mom became completely addicted to drugs. When Marney's seven, she starts like living and like bouncing away from house to house from different relatives, but she was always known to be a happy kid regardless of everything.

She was lively. When she was 14, she hung out with the wrong crowd, got hooked on drugs, and it led to her rest. And there's just like this vicious cycle that kept happening. She had a baby that her parents were looking out for that was her pride and joy. She would call them four times a day to check up on that baby, even when she was working.

She tried so hard to detox. But there was this really bad man called Dr. J got the best of her. I mean, he's a really bad guy. He was a pimp that was ruining the lives of a ton of women there and just kept forcing her to do drugs. And the family went to the police and they said, she's missing. We're sure of it.

And the police told them, don't get upset. She's probably on a cruise. So these were the story I was shared during the trials. Yeah. And if you read the book on the farm, I mean, it's a massive book, but it goes so in depth. It's so good. It's so good.

Then we have Georgina Faith Papin, an Indigenous woman, who's the mother of seven children, and she actually had just given birth to twins a few months prior to this. She had eight siblings, and everyone loved her. They said her face glowed. She was ran bunched, she drew really well. She wove these beautiful dream catchers,

made these beautiful beaded jewelry, everyone thought that she had to have been an artist. Like, she could sew strips of leather together to just make these like insanely crafted, beautiful moccasins. That were nice enough to sell everyone was like, you gotta do this. You gotta start selling your art when she was in a woman's prison for like really stupid charges. She would start writing songs that the prisoners would still sing to this day.

Prisoners who had never met her before. They loved her songs. She was just amazing, you know? And she had a rough childhood. She was in and out of foster care. And she was last seen at the Astoria Hotel with Willie Pickedin. That would be the first trial for the first six women.

And then the second trial would be for 20 women. We've got Jacqueline Michelle McDonald, who's 22 years old. She was considered an intelligent and outgoing girl. She loved reading everything from novels to newspapers. She would read everything. She got pregnant at 18. Trying to figure out her life. Just like a lot of these other women, she fell in love with a guy who was addicted and wanted

to take advantage of her. And she also was a really caring mom. Then we have Diane Rosemary Rock, the mother of five children. She was adored by anyone who met her. She got pregnant young, met a lot of bad guys, but was trying to get her life together for her children. Then we have Heather Kathleen Bottomley, who was cute and lively. She made friends super easily. She did really well in school. She came from a loving family, but she too fell in love with an abusive guy who got her addicted to drugs. She was only 24 years old. Jennifer Lynn Furminger, an Indigenous woman who was adopted

at 2 years old. She was considered a bright and happy kid, but in high school, she was confused. I mean, she had this really dark skin and she felt like, wait, why am I the only one with dark skin? Why was I adopted? Like, why was I abandoned by my birth parents? Do they not like me? Is something wrong with me? And it just really pushed her to the wrong crowd. Then we have Helen May Hallmark, who was cheerleader growing up, super popular. Everyone considered her worldly. They said it felt like she knew a world out there that other people didn't know existed. Her smile was contagious. Then Patricia Rose Johnson who was considered fearless and strong, a gentle heart and her mom was a single mom that had a life filled with trauma that she just couldn't provide like the stable childhood that

Patricia needed. And then Heather Chinook, who people remembered her being like a straight-up person, they said, if you want good advice you go to her, she was a mother of two and she loved her kids dearly. We have Tanya Holik, who was super sweet, had a ton of energy, like full of drive. And she fell into this cycle of just really meeting the wrong people. She had a bunch of restraining orders on very, very scary people, and she was last seen headed to a Halloween party on the farm. Sherry Irving, this is the one that were not a broad to the farm for Willie, and

felt like something was off. She was always considered just like fun and outgoing and with a smile that could melt people. Then we have Inga Monique Hall, born in Germany, came to Canada at four years old, very little is known about her, but she is a 46 year old mother. Then we have Tiffany Drew, she's beautiful, took care of herself.

Had a really hard childhood, alcoholic parents, shy and reserved, but at this point in time before she disappeared, she was trying to get her life together and her sister was helping her. Then we have Sarah DeVries who wrote the poem in her journal, you know, her friend Wayne was helping. She was black, indigenous, Mexican, and white, and everyone said that she captured everyone's attention. She was considered beautiful, but because she was so intelligent.

If you had a conversation with her, she just engaged with people. She engaged with the world. Like, it just, she was in tune with everything. And then we have Angela Rebecca Jardine, who, from the beginning, she had birth complications. She had, I believe, a speech impediment. She was bullied her entire life. She couldn't cope.

Her parents put her in the system, and she found it just really hard to manage life by herself. Started keeping in touch with her parents recently and they had plans to actually spend Christmas together and she was really excited about it. She actually volunteered a lot at women shelters. And then Cynthia Felix, who was abused by her own father, she had lots of obstacles in life, but she was always known to be really kind. Diana Melnick, she loved horses, very happy. She was remembered by her high school friends to be, so she's like a very normal teenage girl just like gossiping about boys, excited about like dances coming up. That was her thing. And this is really depressing. She, she was due at court because

her mom's will, there was like this whole struggle between her dad and her mom like everyone was fighting. huge lawsuit, two days. So she was supposed to be at court and she was due to inherit millions of dollars from her mom's estate. She never showed up because she was a victim of willies. She could have changed her life around, really. Jane Doe, the one found at the river, the charge would end up being lifted and to this day she has not been identified.

Debra Lynn Jones, 43 years old at the time when she went missing a talented musician with a great voice, she played guitar and the piano and her dream was going to Nashville. And then we have Wendy Crawford, who had a hard childhood growing up, she got into drugs as a teenager. She was diagnosed with Crohn's disease and she was just really in a tough situation, but she never abandoned her kids. Her kids or her family, she always gave her entire welfare to help her children that was it.

And her sister said something that I think is so powerful. Yes, my sister sold her body on the streets, trying to feed her children. But what about the other participant in this act? Are the men who keep their good standing in society? Are they not prostitutes as well? Just saying, I mean it takes two Kari Koski famous file everyone said that she could have been a TV anchor

She was just so put together, but she fell in love with someone who is incredibly abusive and then her next boyfriend hung himself in front of her and then another one got her addicted to heroin to take the pain away and she went to Christmas with the family and that is when she decided okay I'm gonna check myself in to rehab and I'm gonna quit but she disappeared soon after Andrea Faye-Bor-Haven, 25 years old, high spirited, a life at home was unhappy but she always tried to be adventurous. Then we have Kara Louise Ellis who had been working since she was 13 years old and she had trouble teenage years, never lost touch with her family.

They all adored her. She kept her family laughing even though they knew that she was going through like the hardest times. She was smart, thoughtful, spent hours writing in her journal. Those are the women who will never have their day in court. Those are the families who will never have their day in court. Those are the families who will never have their day in court. So this absolute shed head pled not guilty for the first trial of the murder of the six women as listed.

And here's what's even shocking. The jury found him guilty for second degree murder. So he was sentenced to life without the possibility of parole in 25 years. To be fair, he's not gonna get out on parole. I mean, I'm pretty sure of it. Like, I wouldn't bet my life on him. He's still alive. He's alive.

This was in 2002. Well, the trial wasn't like, 2045. Wow. Yeah, but so he's in his 70s. Yeah. Holy cow. He like wrote a book. No.

But they like tried to sell it on Amazon and then the Amazon blocked it of Angelie. It was like this whole thing. But yeah, he's alive. And then August of 2010, they said that there will be no future trials for any of the other woman. Now, Canada, they did an internal inquiry in all of this, a national inquiry, and they realized that this was grossly mishandled, the police did not do their best to solve these cases. And then December 8th of 2015, they realized that there was also another inquiry on the disproportionate amount of indigenous women who go missing. So I have a bunch of things linked in the source notes, but there's this documentary called Finding Dawn, which is kind of related and kind of not related. So if you guys are sick of, you know, Willie picked in us, very little to do with him,

but still about the missing indigenous woman woman because that's not the end They said that they were gonna work on this because Canada has a massive problem The murder rate of Indigenous woman is like 67 times higher than just the national murder rate of just Non-Indigenous woman in Canada. They are reason for that. Yes, because the police do not care So when Indigenous families report to their family members as missing, the police do not do anything, they just tell them that they're going to turn up. There's actually a highway in Canada that is a 430 mile stretch that's called the highway of tears because that is where the murder and kidnappings of many indigenous women take

place. There's literally no files on missing indigenous women at this time. Like there was like none. So the police, you know, they're not keeping files, these criminals, they're like, why won't a murder someone, I want to sexually abuse someone and then murder them. Who do I go for? Do I go for this woman who's gonna have 20 files on her and the police are gonna look for her or do I go for someone that I can, I know that the police don't care about, you're gonna go for the person that the police for

some reason do not care about. So I'm going to end this very long, very depressing picked-in podcast with another poem from Sarah Divers. It was yet to. There was one that was just a line of, will they remember me when I'm gone? Or will their lives just carry on? And this is her poem. A woman's body found beaten beyond recognition.

You sip your coffee, taking a drag of your smoke, turning the page, taking a bite of your toast, just another day, just another death. Just one more thing you so easily forget. You and your soft, sheltered life just go on and on. For nobody special from your world is gone. Just another day, just another death, just another hasting street horror sentence to death. And this was before she was a victim of Willie Pict. So that is today's really intense story. I'm gonna leave a lot of,

That is today's really intense story. I'm gonna leave a lot of um a lot of things in the source notes. This book is really good. There's um a lot of documentaries that are also really good. I know it was really long, sorry. I hope you guys enjoyed and I'll see you guys for the mini-suit. Bye!