Rotten Mango - Kidnapping Of 84-Yr-Old Nancy Guthrie: Who's The Man In Camera? EVERYTHING We Know So Far

Episode Date: March 8, 2026

A woman dressed like Kanye’s wife, Bianca Censori, flips off the rest of the people surrounding the house, news vans & nosy neighbors, as they shame her for posing and taking pictures in front of the crime scene.   The red brick house is home to Nancy Guthrie, who has been missing for over a month. Day one, day two, and now going on 30 plus days, the scene outside her home, where she disappeared from has been national news.   And even with a million dollar reward, the head of the FBI getting involved over Twitter, the ‘president’ getting involved, there are still no solid answers.   And when there are no solid answers, people tend to start creating their own…   This is the case of Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance and suspected kidnapping for ransom. All the conspiracies, speculations, and rumors - including - is this case being used as a headline coverup to bury what else has been happening in the US?       Full show notes available at RottenMangoPodcast.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Bada being, bad a boo. February 9th, 2026. A shelter in place alert goes out to all of the local residents. Not only should you shelter in place, a.k.a. get inside and don't go outside. But also, you need to urgently turn off the air conditioning in the building for the time being. This is Tucson, Arizona. February 9th, 26, it's a little hot, a high of 84 that day.

It's actually unusually hot for this early on in February. But that is besides the point. point. The point is, stay inside. Turn off your AC unit. If you really must peek outside your window and you're really unlucky, you've got sweat dripping down your nose and you see this outside. A dark, swirling cloud just floating around and it's moving fast, going left, going right. It doesn't really have a strong sense of direction. It looks unpredictable. If you decide to peek open the window to hear what's going on, it's like this humming noise, just like a strong, powerful, overwhelming buzz. It's a bee swarm. There isn't exactly a number count of how many bees there were.

It's not like the bees are lining up to a census. However, a typical swarm is documented to have tens of thousands of bees. And these ones in Arizona, they're called killer bees. They tend to be a bit temperamental. They will attack in greater numbers with less provocation. They could just decide that they don't like you. And they will chase you a quarter of a mile if they see you as a threat. even if you're begging them to stop. Bee swarms typically happen when bees are looking for a new hive. Maybe they need to upgrade their space or their hive is now soaked in pesticide. It really depends.

Or sometimes the big bee colonies, they'll split into two. So one queen bee leaves with half the colony while the new queen bee takes over the old hive. Regardless of the reason, it is best not to be around the bee swarm. Also, you have to turn off the AC because bees, when they're looking for a new hive, they love anything that has a little bit of moisture and has vibration. which is an AC unit. So then they'll try to make a hive in your AC unit, and God forbid those bees get sucked into your house.

Now they're pissed off. They just went on a tumultuous, turbulent ride, and they have no escape. Not great things are going to happen in that situation. It's not going to end well for you, the bees or the AC maintenance guy. Thankfully, the bee swarm in Tucson, Arizona is contained. The shelter in place is removed, but that's not the only swarm Tucson is dealing with.

with. On the other side of Tucson, there is a completely different swarm taking place. They call it tent city. It's like an RV show, but with tents, it almost feels weird because it's like an entire street in a residential neighborhood has been sectioned off. They've got tents lined up. It's like they're trying to sell tents. That's the feeling. It's just tent after tent after tent all lined up. If someone was in the market for tents, it almost seems like the perfect place to walk down the street and see which tent is holding up in the Arizona Sun the best. But tent city is not a real tent-selling street. It's just a gathering of tents.

Dozens of tents set up on the side of a residential road staying all day, all night. There are people underneath full makeup studio lights. Typically next to each tent is an SUV, blacked out windows, one or two people hiding inside away from the heat, someone on a phone call. It seems like all the tents are here for a specific house on the street. And they're all facing it. They're parked as close as they can get to this house, setting up their tents, filming, recording the house.

The house itself from drone footage looks more like a compound. But that could just be the type of homes in this area. It's Arizona. It's in the mountains. It looks isolated. The house is surrounded by cactuses that are two stories tall. And it's all one floor. It's a ranch-style home.

It looks like a government building. It's just red brick buildings with an arched doorway to the front porch. A glass windows all around. Architecturally, I mean, I know nothing, but it does look beautiful. but the tents are not here to appreciate craftsmanship. They're all waiting for something weird to happen. And they don't have to wait that long. A lot of weird things are happening in tent city.

A woman arrives in front of the tents, in front of the red brick house, and she's just sobbing, breaking down. Another woman claimed that she had a vision of what happened, and it led her to the red brick house. There are four to five foreign men, and you have to look for a basement. Four to five foreign men? Yeah. Just a vision, just a feeling that she got. And then a woman comes wearing a super short black crop top that just covers her chest, short mini shorts with big black boots.

I mean, the outfit is very reminiscent of what Kanye's wife, Bianca Sensori, would wear. She's seen taking photos posing in front of the tents outside of this big red brick house. Some people are shouting at her from the tents, embarrassing. And she's like flicking them off. She continued, she's like posing. She's having a desert photo shoot. in front of the tents, in front of the house. It's just a mess over in tent city.

That, of course, mixed with the constant presence of SUVs with tinted windows and yellow do not cross tape that keeps going up and down, up and down, taken up, taken up, taken down. There's helicopter circling this red brick house. There are people camping out in the trees like they're practicing guerrilla warfare, but all they have is a super zoom lens camera in their hands and they're taking pictures. Everybody's in a tent, and all of these people,

are documenting the days after Nancy Guthrie has gone missing. Nancy Guthrie, the woman that lived in the Red Brick House. She's missing and they're documenting day one, day two, day three, now going on over 30 days of her being missing and of her being taken from her home. And even with a $1 million reward, the head of the FBI getting involved, Trump getting involved, there are still no solid answers. and when there's no solid answers, people tend to start creating their own. Like, is this case a cover-up for something else?

What do they not want us to know about this case? This is the case of Nancy Guthrie and all of the conspiracies, speculations, and rumors, including is this case used as a headline cover-up to bury everything else that has been happening in the U.S. We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to follow in Savannah Guthrie's footsteps and donate to NECMECM. aka the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in an effort to raise visibility in action

for various missing person cases that haven't received widespread attention. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mingo's growing team, and we'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support. As always, full show notes to reveal about Rotten Mingo Podcast.com. Today's case involves mentions of kidnapping,

not of minors, but of elders, which is still a very vulnerable population. So if kidnapping elder abuse is sensitive, please watch with discretion. And a few housekeeping disclaimers. Statements and quotes may be condensed for brevity, and everyone is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in the court of law.

All we did was we tried to touch base on everything in this case as neutrally as possible. There has been a lot of internet debate and discourse about who could be possible suspects, but I do want to mention that there have been no suspects named by any law enforcement. This is just people coming, up with answers in a time where there are none. So with that being said, if you have seen anything,

please call the FBI at 1-800, call FBI or online at tips.fbi.gov. So with that, let's get started. I think tall people are scary. Okay, to clarify, I think abnormally tall people are scary. I'm not even talking like humanly tall, seven feet, eight feet. I've never met people that are that tall. But even the tallest man in history, which is close to nine feet, Robert Wadlow, I don't think he's scared. I'm talking even taller. There is something about super tall, human-like forms. I think that just freak people out. It's the center of a lot of urban legends and stories,

slender man, skin walkers, technically big foot. But even those are rarely 40 feet tall. 40 feet tall is like a four-story building. If you're walking in a neighborhood at night and you see this shadow of a 40-foot figure with three arms sticking up into the air, I would probably scream. But I also don't live in the Catalina,

foothills. And I've never seen a saguar cactus. These cactuses are huge. They're 40 feet tall and they look kind of human in the night. In Tucson, Arizona is a very unique place where they have anti-light pollution ordinances in place. So they don't let you have bright city lights or even in the suburbs. You can't have those really bright lights that light up your driveway, light up the outside exterior of your home. Really? Yeah, so it's dark. To protect the wall. life? No, there's, I mean, Tucson is known for just beautiful astronomy. Oh, I see. So you can go there and the sky is stunning, but it's not bright that it's just like reflecting everything onto the street. There's no street lights in most residential areas. It's dark. And so you've got that

coupled with these 40 foot tall saguaro cactus. It's an interesting environment. The Catalina foothills specifically tend to have nicer homes. It feels kind of suburban but not suburban. I know with this case in particular, a lot of people thought that Nancy Guthrie was just living in like a regular residential neighborhood where the houses are kind of close together, which comes to the question of why did anybody not see anything? How does that make sense? These houses are sitting on a one acre lot. You don't see your neighbors from your own house window. If you're standing in your backyard, it's highly unlikely that you'll spot a neighbor. Even if you go to the front yard, most of the homes are so deep into the lot with a ton of cactuses and brush just like in the front. You don't

even see anyone at the front door if you're driving by. It also doesn't help that there's no street lights. And it's also very scary at times because everything in the area has thorns, cactuses that are taller than people. Everything is pokey. And it's in this neighborhood that a member of the very well-known Guthrie family is kidnapped from this red brick house. And all we have is the doorbell footage. We don't even have the doorbell. The doorbell is gone. Whoever did this seems to have, appears to have, though it's unconfirmed, a lot of things are unconfirmed, ripped off the doorbell and taken it with them. But before they rip off the doorbell, you see this really creepy footage and it's at night around 2 a.m. So naturally...

Is someone like yank the ring doorbell off the wall? Yeah. Yeah. Googleness, but yes. What? So naturally, the footage is in all black and white. The camera captures the arched brick entryway and this small porch area before you get to the front door. And there is a man fully closed. ski mask with just the eyes and the mouth cut out, walking up to the door. Off the bat, there are a few startling things to note in this footage. He seems to have a really full backpack on. The backpack looks stuffed with something and probably nothing good. And then there's a gun holster right in front of his crotch, which is an odd placement. Nobody puts a gun holster right in front and center. Nobody, like nobody wears their gun like that. It's such an odd thing to do unless

you really just want to look as terrifying as possible. I mean, I can't think of any other reason, I think walking up to a woman's home dressed as such with a gun placed on the groin area would add an additional terrifying element. Side note, it is also believed that the front holster, the gun holster was made for a longer barrel gun, but the gun that they had in was a small semi-automatic gun. So it's not even, it's not like safely secured right in front of their crotch. He has gloves on and a flashlight inside of his mouth and he's using that to guide himself in the dark. We know based off the footage, the suspect is around 5'9.

in 5-10. They have an average build. They had an Ozark Trail hiker backpack that you can buy exclusively from Walmart. He walks up to the front door. He's very casual. He isn't constantly glancing around behind him to check if somebody is driving up or is on the road. He seems like he's at least familiar with the front door, whether that means he's seen pictures of it, gone there before, went there last year, trick-or-cheating. Like, we don't know. It's just public speculation. But it just seems like someone that has seen this door and knows exactly what to expect, except it doesn't seem like he expects a doorbell camera. He tries to cover the Google Nest front doorbell camera with his gloved hand, so he keeps

like shoving his hand in front of it. Okay? And then later, he walks back out of the porch to go grab some foliage, some leaves, some branches, some flowers. And then he tries to shove it into the camera to cover it. And when that doesn't work, it's presumed that he just rips the camera from the door disconnecting it entirely. And once that

footage disconnects, the only thing that the public will know soon after is that around 2 in the morning, February 1st, 2026, Nancy Guthrie, the woman living alone in that house, will be gone. And there will be droplets of blood on the ground of the front porch

that are confirmed to belong to Nancy Guthrie. The Guthrie family are very well known all over the U.S., but especially so in Arizona. So the family consists of Nancy and Charles Guthrie. Charles Guthrie passed away a long time ago, so it's mainly just 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie. Nancy and her husband Charles went to the University of Kentucky, and that's how they met. And the two of them have three children, Annie, Cameron, and Savannah

Guthrie. Annie is a writer and a jeweler. She teaches classes creative writing courses at the University of Arizona Poetry Center. She also has a book on the craft of jewelry making. She's married to a man named Tomaso. He's very important later. They share a young child. And I say important later because of the online discourse, not because of anything else. Okay, so you've got Annie and her husband, Tomaso. Then you have the next child, Cameron. He is a former pilot of the Air National Guard. So he retired as an F-16 pilot. Well, then there's Savannah Guthrie. She is an attorney. She's also a massive TV anchor. So she previously worked at court TV covering a lot of criminal cases. But now she's most known for being the co-host of the Today Show for NBC.

And just because everyone's partners are being, you know, poking about and brought up, Savannah was previously married to a BBC journalist Mark Orchard. Then she divorced and remarried to a man named Michael Feldman, who is a political consultant. They also have young children. Savannah was going to be co-hosting the Olympic ceremony for NBC as a co-host for the Winter Olympics, but she could not attend because February 1st, someone kidnaps her mother. But who would want to take 84-year-old Nancy? Guthrie. I know it sounds morbid, but a lot of the conversation online was, I mean, if you had to

bet money, and I know that sounds weird, but I think it just points to the confusion that people have. If you had to assume that someone was going to get kidnapped, maybe it's the one that's nationally known. Like, it just doesn't make sense. Why would you take an elderly woman from her home when she's sleeping? What do you want from her? She can barely walk 100 feet on her own. Now, I will say that she is 84, but all reports and the Guthrie family, have been steadfast in the fact that she is so mentally sharp. She's all there. Like, cognitively, she's sharp as attack, but she does have mobility issues.

And she is on medications every day. And that's another thing. She can't walk on her own. She's heavily, you know, needs these medications. She has a pacemaker. This is a high risk crime. What would be the purpose? What's a pacemaker?

I think it helps your heart pump. Oh. Yeah. There are a few things that almost all ransom notes. have in common. And I think it can be tracked and studied by authorities because you don't see a lot of cases of kidnapping a human for ransom, but you do see a lot of cases these days of hackers sending ransom notes with threats of going public with security breaches, data, information, personal accounts. And each ransom note has a format that it follows because ransom notes are not in the

business of standing out. It's not about the stylistic word choices or the plot. It all starts with communication. It's the claim. We have something valuable. Your asset in our possession, whether that's a human, whether that's data, whatever it may be. Then demand, deadline, and threat. What do they want in exchange for their claim of possession? Typically money. And more often than not, they're very specific. They don't want things to get lost in translation. They don't want it to go to some random dude because you got one number wrong in the bank account. the more a ransom maker has to contact the victims, the more chance that they're going to get caught. So they will tell you the exact value, payment method, how to deliver the payment, and then the deadline.

They will give victims a range typically of six to 20 days as the deadline. And then it's the threat. For example, John Bonae Ramsey's ransom note read, any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter. Speaking to anyone about your situation, such as police, FBI, will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies. Ransom notes used to be handwritten, but nowadays most ransom notes are in the form of an email sent to the victims or the targets, the ones with the money. Except in Nancy's case. It just gets strange.

February 1st, she's kidnapped in the middle of the night from her home. The night of February 2nd, so almost a full 24 hours later, a local news station gets an email submitted into their tip line. It's like their tip suggestions. It's not even a physical note in an email. It's not even a PDF attachment. I mean, I don't think anyone was expecting a doc you sign. However, the ransom note comes in the form of a literal form. So we have this on our website, too, with the show notes.

You can submit a case request. It's like, please enter your name. The case suggestion. Your email, if you'd like. It's like a form. It's not an open email where you go into your own email account and then send an email. A local news station in Arizona gets a form submitted. And it's the ransom note.

But how do we know? We don't know. Because that way it's hard to track who sent it, right? Yeah, and they did use like a VPN to track their IP. The details of the note have not been made public, but it has been reported and confirmed by authorities that it is a ransom note. Is it a legitimate ransom note that that's to be determined? However, it is a ransom note.

Another local news station confirmed that they also received the same ransom note. And then I believe the next day, so 48 hours after TMZ receives a very similar ransom note. So this person is not sending it to the family directly, but instead to the news. Because they want publicity. But don't you think that's weird? That is weird because you're not asking, why are you asking for publicity rather than money? Okay. So that's why a lot of people think it's weird too, especially for law enforcement.

They're saying maybe if you're trying to hedge the, the, the chance. being caught, so you want to send it not directly to the victims, but you send it through these news networks. But a lot of experts are saying publicity is the last thing people want when they're making a ransom note. Because, I mean, unless you're saying, hey, I'm going to air out my grievances because the system did me dirty. Or you're trying to make a message out of something. But if that's not the case, you don't want publicity because let's say you do get the Bitcoin. They're asking for $4 to $6 million in Bitcoin. Let's say you do get the Bitcoin. Now you have to drop Nancy off somewhere. The last thing you want is eyes and ears everywhere. It just doesn't make any

sense. But these three news outlets, they get ransom notes that are set to be very similar, detailing two separate deadlines and two different demands. So it's like, here's the first deadline. We want $4 million in Bitcoin to this Bitcoin wallet. If you can't do it by this day, we'll give you an extension of three days. But you're going to pay $6 million now. What, like, what's the deadline for the first one? How many days was given? It's to February 6th. It's like a week. Not even, really, because they don't get the ransom known until later.

So she disappears February 1st. They don't get the ransom note until February 2nd. And if the deadline is February 6th, it's like, I mean, it's like no time. Four days, yeah. And there doesn't seem to be any proof of life given in the letters in the note. And I will say that Harvey Levin, who is the founder of TMZ, has been a little bit more vocal about what's been in this said ransom note, the other outlets seem to be a little more hush-hush,

but he was in an interview with Sean Hannity and he said, quote, the letter begins by saying she is safe, but scared, and they go on to say she knows exactly what the demand is. Harvey also opines that there is a phrase in this email that absolutely makes me believe this person who wrote this, and if they're telling the truth, that Nancy is within a radius of the Tucson area,

not in Tucson right now, but in a radius. It could be New Mexico. So, I don't. The authorities have stated that they know, know of the ransom demands. They have shared it with the family, and they cannot verify if this is legitimate or not. They are taking it seriously, though,

but this is not authenticated. And there's just so much about this ransom note. That is weird. Like the fact that ransom makers don't want things to be public. So when the mother was kidnapped on February 1st, it's already viral. The news was not hush-hush. So everybody knows about this.

So there could be a copycat or someone just trying to make. some money, right? Yes. Okay. Yeah. And they did not provide proof of life. It is just very odd that they would want media attention. It just doesn't make sense. It's not like they're the zodiac killer who's taunting the police and the city. It just feels weird. It almost feels hasty, not well thought out. There are netizens theories online that perhaps this was supposed to be a regular home invasion. But maybe Nancy fearing for her life could have mentioned that her daughter is Savannah Guthrie and like she has money and she'll pay just leave her alive. So it was a robbery. but then they realized that they could probably get a ransom,

so they take Nancy, and that's why the ransom note feels hasty. Other people are suspecting like you. Maybe the ransom note has nothing to do with who has Nancy, because it could be completely separate if there's no proof of life. Now, the authorities, they must feel it's legitimate to some degree, so there have been, like, some reporting that in the ransom note, it either detailed something that Nancy had been wearing

or detailed something in the house, perhaps an Apple Watch detail. Is it better that they don't release the details of the notes? Or is it part of the notes that they say don't release this? Why is it unclear what's on there? The authorities have been pretty quiet about what's in anything. I mean, I think that's pretty standard protocol for the FBI. They don't like to talk about anything that they discover until an indictment is slapped onto the table.

But for the local sheriff, he has been talking. He's been yapping quite a bit. Actually, Sheriff Nanos, he's the one heading the investigation, but they don't want to talk about the contents of the ransom note, which I think is probably intentional and I think it makes sense. But they just keep saying, you know, it's not authenticated, but it does seem like there is some detail in the ransom note that makes it feel like it could be real. Okay. But if it is real, the demands are this. By February 6, 2026 Thursday, 5 p.m. local time. The kidnappers want $4 million in Bitcoin transferred to their Bitcoin wallet.

If the Guthrie family cannot make that happen, then they have a second deadline. Monday, February 9, 2026, 6 million in Bitcoin. These are the two deadlines. With the insinuation being, if the second one is missed, Nancy Guthrie's life is on the line. February 4th, so this is three days after Nancy goes missing. Two days before the first ransom deadline. Nancy's daughter, Annie Guthrie, gets a text message. So does her husband, Tomaso.

Did you get the Bitcoin? We're waiting on our end for the transaction. Then a brief nine second phone call comes into one of the family members. This is usually the moment in the movies that the agents are looking for, the part in the movies where they do their best to get the family member to keep the call on the phone for as long as possible so that they can try to trace the phone call where it's coming from. And the call leads back to a 42-year-old man in California,

to a man named Derek Kalella. Authorities immediately arrest him. Wait, hold on, hold on. Yes. I'm so sorry. A few days later, this guy, 42-year-old, text them. Yes. And he called them?

Yeah, for nine seconds. Saying what? We don't know. But it's a nine-second phone call. Nobody knows the context of the phone call? I mean, the police? Police does? Yeah.

Okay. Okay, all right. And then they hang up. Okay. So the police track that number to a 42-year-old man in California. Authorities immediately arrest him, and he's read his Miranda rights, and they're like, where is Nancy? And Derek pretty quickly admits he doesn't know where Nancy is.

Did he send the message or did he? Yeah, he didn't send the ransom note. He sent that text message. He said that he was keeping up with the information online and he heard about the ransom note and he was watching TV. And he just wanted to see if the family would respond. That's bonkers. How did he even find their numbers?

Like on one of those? Google? Yeah. That is what? What? Yeah. And he... I do think that Derek is all around a horrible human being.

Just a few months ago, October 2025, he was accused of stealing unemployment benefits from the L.A. County's DA's office where he worked as a clerk. He was charged with one felony count grand theft and one misdemeanor offense. Adding to that now... He works at DA's office? As like a clerk. He did. Well, he was fired.

Yeah. What is going on? Yeah. He works for DA's office and he commit these crimes. He knows what's going to happen. Yeah. Okay, this is getting crazy, weirder. He has been, you know, arrested and charged with transmitting a demand for ransom and interstate commerce

and using telecommunication devices with intent to abuse, threaten, or harassed. The FBI has come out to state, because the FBI doesn't state a lot of things, but they did come out to state. My next message is to those impostors who are trying to take advantage and profit from this situation. We will investigate and ensure you are being held accountable for your actions. But this isn't mean that all the ransom notes are. fake, right? I mean, just because you have one imposter, he's clearly not the one that sent the original ransom notes to the media outlets, right? So here's what we know. There are three detailed ransom notes sent to three media publications that all seem similar. Those ransom

notes have two deadlines and demands, four to six million dollars in Bitcoin. There's no proof of life. There's no pictures, videos, or anything of Nancy that would indicate that they do in fact have her and that she is in fact alive. FBI, however, is taking it very seriously and they have not authenticated it. Then Derek gets arrested because he saw the news about the ransom notes and the Guthrie family ransom. He finds Annie and her husband's numbers and starts texting them hoping to get some Bitcoin in his wallet. He is not the author of the original ransom note. So the original ransom note still stands. The FBI has brought in crisis negotiators, personnel from Quantico, and as limited the ransom note seems to be, it seems to be one of the big things that the

authorities seem to have in terms of finding Nancy and bringing her home. that in $6 million of Bitcoin, right? The Guthrie's siblings, Savannah, Annie, and Cameron have come out with a video, which we're going to go over in a second. We're going to go through all their videos, but they have been pleading for the safe return of their mother. They have explicitly stated that they are willing to pay, but they just need proof of life.

They also mentioned with technology these days, even if they were to receive a photo or video, I mean, the insinuation being, even if they did get something, it would take a lot of work to verify that it's a real photo, which has not been altered. heard, which has not been created. I'm sure the FBI would hopefully have a good grasp on that, but they haven't even received that from what the reporting seems. And it's all made more confusing because there is a 41-minute window where the intruder gets into the house and then presumably leaves. So let's go through the timeline real quick. 9.48 p.m., Nancy is dropped off at home after dinner at her daughter and son-in-law's house, which is Annie Guthrie and Tamaso. Savannah Guthrie lives in New York City.

Okay. Annie lives 10 minutes away, so she gets dropped off after dinner at 9.48 p.m. At 1.47 a.m., the doorbell camera is disconnected. At 228 a.m., Nancy Guthrie's pacemaker disconnects from her phone, meaning that she is likely moved out of the Bluetooth range of her phone that her pacemaker inside her body is connected to, which leads the public to assume that whoever was outside the house made it inside, Also, we the public don't know.

There are rumors that there were signs of a forced entry. There are rumors that there were no signs of a forced entry. We don't know. Right. So without a pacemaker connected, does that impact her health? No, it doesn't impact the pacemaker, or at least it shouldn't by most reporting. I'm not too familiar with pacemakers, but it shouldn't. However, she does take daily medication that she needs that is prescribed to her.

And it doesn't seem like those were taken from the house. Like, is it life-threatening without it? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's why there were rumors that she was taken into Mexico. So there are a lot of pharmacies near the border. So Arizona, Nancy's house is about an hour and a half drive from Mexico, the border. And there are a lot of southern pharmacies south of the border where they will sell a lot of prescription medication without a prescription. So maybe she was taking into Mexico so that they could acquire.

Or, I mean, someone could have gone across the border, acquired such medication. if this was all planned out and then kidnapped Nancy if she is alive. I see. Right. But regardless, the public assumption is that whoever made it into the house stayed for 41 minutes. And there are blood droplets that belong to Nancy outside her front door. That 41 minutes, it makes people wonder, I mean, more so worry about what the hell could have happened inside that house for 41 minutes.

There are videos popping up all over the internet that have very, shocking titles. Savannah Guthrie devastated new shocking revelations about Michael Feldman. Michael Feldman being her husband. Another title from a video is Michael Feldman arrested. Savannah Guthrie left in shock. What Savannah Guthrie discovered about Michael Feldman left her shaken. All the videos coming out are around Nancy's disappearance. And when you click on the video, it's this oddly monotone, deep voice that will narrate you. And it shows you a slideshow of pictures of Savannah and her husband's smiling. His name is Michael Feldman, a political strategist, a man who was once at the very center of her world, and now new revelations are surfacing

that are putting a very different picture of who he really was, what their relationship truly cost her, and what sources close to Savannah are now saying she is absolutely devastated. This is not a tabloid story. This is not gossip. This is the story of a woman who gave up everything, her truth, her time, her heart, and what happened when the foundation she thought was solid turned out to have cracks? The video goes on and on and on like this for 25 minutes, saying things like, people say Savannah would carry the emotional weight of their entire household on her own. Mornings when she would wake up before dawn to prepare for broadcasts, come home to manage the family and still find room to be the supportive partner, the present mother, the steady force in everyone else's

storm. What no one was asking out loud was, who was being steady for Savannah. The answer, it turns out, was far more complicated than anyone wanted to admit. So like AI made it? Yeah, AI generated slop. Okay, these videos never say anything. They just have a crazy headline that insinuates Savannah's husband, Michael Feldman, is guilty of something and that she has been left devastated. It's whoever is mass making and uploading these insensitive AI generated slop, during Nancy's disappearance, seems to want everyone to believe that Savannah's husband, Michael Feldman, is suspicious. But the internet might be doing something slightly worse.

That is not the member in the family that the internet has started to pick apart. Out of all of the Guthrie's and the extended family members that are public facing, there has been one individual that has been regarded as a person of interest by the internet, not the police, not the authorities, but by people online. and that is Annie Guthrie's husband, Tomaso. So this is Savannah Guthrie's brother-in-law, Nancy Guthrie's son-in-law, and I would like to heavily emphasize, however, that every single public-facing member of the family appears to have been cleared by the authorities.

The sheriff has stated intensely, to be clear, the Guthrie family, to include all siblings and spouses, has been cleared as possible suspects in this case. The family has been nothing but cooperative and gracious in our victims in this case. To suggest otherwise is not only wrong, it is cruel. The Guthrie family are victims plain and simple. Please, I'm begging you the media to honor your profession and report with some sense of compassion and professionalism. Interesting. Now, the only reason that I'm covering the conversation around Savannah's brother-in-law is that so much of the discourse online seems to be about him.

And to be comprehensive on covering this case, I think it would be a disservice to not address what the online conversation has been taking place. and when I say online conversation, Reddit and TikTok, but even mainstream media channels. I have a pickle to pick about this. Legacy media has taken to try and rewrite the way all of this has unfolded, which is annoying to say the least. I think there are a lot of independent journalists and even content creators, and I'm not even saying myself, but other people out there that have been trying their best to maintain a level of professionalism while being transparent about their standing on political issues, being more vocal about standing on political, and all of these time pertinent issues that are impacting everyone's lives not only in this country, but countries all around the world.

They have been trying to get information out to their audiences about that, about crimes that are happening all across this nation, this country, that are doing it in a way that is consumable. And there are some legacy media outlets that tend to be a bit more highbrow. Or depending on who the giant corporation, the media company supports, you have a tint of all of that mixed in. with their reporting. And just like how there are shit news anchors, there are shit content creators. However, Legacy Media has stated that the internet is the one that put a spotlight on Annie's husband Tomaso, internet sluice. And I would like to say that is false. From what we can tell in our research, there are two very experienced hosts, news anchors, Ashley Banfield and Megan Kelly. Regardless of what you think of them, I would say that they both lean more towards legacy media, traditional

media. They both come from traditional media, even though they both have their own Uber successful podcast now. They are more synonymous with major news networks than a YouTuber would be. They are the ones that, from what I can see, were the first ones to put Tomaso's name out there as being someone who might be considered a person of interest. I believe Ashley Banfield stated that she is a high-level source that informed her that they are looking into Tomaso. Her words were actually a little bit stronger, saying that he is considered like a suspect. Megan Kelly's, has argued. Wait, she said that she had a source.

Yeah, a high-level source. Told her about his name. Yes. Okay. Now, Megan Kelly has argued repeatedly that all the individuals closest to Nancy are going to be persons of interest because that is what happens in a case like this. Both of them have their in-depth arguments on why they believe Tamaso should be looked at by law enforcement. Both of them have much more experience in the industry than probably our whole RM team combined, likely.

I don't know how old they are. but so this is not me like giving a full dissection on what they said. I'm just telling you what happened. I don't have high level sources in this case. And other than trying to trace back where Tommaso's name starts becoming a huge topic, I did not extensively follow their coverage on this case. Though I will note, I did follow Brian Enton. He is another News Nation reporter.

He's doing ground coverage. His coverage has been extensive. It's been really thorough, really informative while maintaining the sensitivities of this case. so I would go give him a listen. But there is that. And all I'm trying to say is, it's just annoying that legacy media is saying that these are TikTokers, these are internet sleuth,

these are commentators on the internet that are now pointing the finger at a beloved family member who is also a victim when that's not really how it started. So they brought up his name and then the police came out to say they have been clear. Stop like talking.

Yeah, so it seems like Ash, I will say that there probably was internet whispers on Reddit and other forums and threads where people are like, oh, well, maybe we should look into the family members and ABC and D. But I think that anytime someone says something like that, it does tend to get shut down by people who are like, hey, I don't think we should comment things like this until let the investigators do their job. But then Ashley Banfield came out to state, and this is just an opinion of mine, that she has a high-level source that told her that he is being investigated as perhaps a person of interest. I think because she has such a good

reputation, rightfully so probably, that people were like, oh, this must mean something. Like a high-level source. It must be true. Like, this must be what's happening. And so people just went free for all on Tomaso is how I could trace it back. I could be wrong. Okay. And this giant conversation has erupted, whether it's because of Ashley Banfield or not, I cannot tell you, but it has now been a huge topic. The conversation is still developing. even after the sheriff cleared the family members. Because netizens are wondering, how can people be cleared

when it appears that the sheriff's office doesn't even know what happened the night that Nancy disappeared? I'm pretty sure family members can be cleared by airtight alibis. There have been reports that police are using polygraphs to clear people, which people have opinions about, but that has yet to be confirmed. But some netizens who are married to the idea

that someone in the family had involvement, they think it's odd that the sheriff can clear a family. They also think it's odd that the FBI did not clear the family. So they're just like kind of everyone's creating arguments online and I'm just trying to give you a neutral overview of the conversation. A lot of netizens bring up past reporting and past pressers that the sheriff has done. So for example, there is a comment that the sheriff made in a previous press conference where he says nobody's eliminated. But we just really don't have enough to say. This is our suspect.

This is our guy. We know, you know, or our gal. We just don't know that. And it's really kind of reckless to report that someone is a suspect when they could very well be a victim. So a lot of people took that last part of either a suspect as a suspect or they're nobody, but why would a suspect also be a victim, unless maybe you're a family member. So people have been ripping that apart.

But he did plead with the media, quote, I plead to you, I bring to you to the media, I plead with you to be careful of what it is that we put out there because we don't have anyone here listed as a suspect. and you could actually be doing some damage to this case. You could do some damage to that individual too. Social media is kind of an ugly world sometimes. One person straight up asks the sheriff during the presser,

are you actively investigating the son-in-law in this case? I know there are reports earlier this week and you refuted that, but you said you haven't eliminated everybody? Have you eliminated him? Or are you actively looking at him? We're actively looking at everybody we come across in this case. We would be irresponsible if we didn't talk to everybody. the Uber driver, the gardener, the pool person, whoever.

The family has been very cooperative. They've done everything we've asked of them, and we want that relationship to continue, and sometimes people can be mean out there, and that can really harm us and harm our efforts. Netizens argue that it's very strange, especially since the sheriff has made weird comments before all of this, such as, you know, he's asked,

Sheriff, you said that you've identified no suspects. Have you ruled out anyone she was with on Saturday night? So remember, Nancy went to go to her daughter and son-in-law's house for dinner? The sheriff response. We've talked to so many. I'm sure my investigators have feelings about this one's clear or this one isn't. But no, I wouldn't say anybody's ruled out yet because what if I rule out something and then later I learn something else?

No. I don't think that these statements should be used to throw guilt upon a family member. I would just say that this sheriff is not the most clean cut with his words. He's not very meticulous in the way that he answers reporters questions. He does seem kind of all over. the place. I see. There was like one day where he did a huge media tour where he was on like five different

news stations and he's like saying slightly different things on each one. And it's not like he doesn't know the case. It just seems like he's choosing different words that could be interpreted differently and it just made everybody more confused. So instead of doing one press conference, he just made it confusing. But with that statement, he could be talking about other people that Nancy was with Saturday that we just don't know about. Nancy's last hour is being seen alive.

January 31st, Saturday. 5.32 p.m., Nancy gets an Uber to her daughter Annie's house for dinner. She takes an Uber there, she can't drive, and once she gets there, she hangs out, plays games, and hangs out, eats dinner. And then around 9.48 p.m., Tom, Nancy's son-in-law, Tomaso, drops her half at home. And I think she has some sort of smart garage because there's indications that the garage door closes at 9.50. p.m. So I'm sure if there's a log, it's like a smart door. Then four hours later, the doorbell disconnects. And then at 212, software detects someone on camera. And then 228 a.m., her pacemaker disconnects from her phone. So again, 41 minutes. Now, the rest of the night continue. The next

morning is Sunday morning. Nancy goes to her friend's house, and I assume that she Uber's there. And they all watch Savannah Guthrie's church in New York City. I guess it's like a mega church. They do live streams. So she watches. watches that live streams with like her buddies. Like you're saying every Sunday? Yes. So she doesn't go to a church physically, but she goes to like her girlfriend's house and they all watch the live stream of a church service.

Now she doesn't show up for that live stream and they start calling Annie because they're like, your mom didn't show up. Where is she? Annie goes to Nancy's house and seven minutes later they call 911. Annie has been under fire by commentators online because I mean there's like a lot. whole theory about the pacemaker. So the pacemaker, a lot of people in the medical field have come out on Reddit and, I mean, take this with a grain of salt. Again, I don't know anything about pacemakers,

but they're saying that when you have an elderly person connected to a pacemaker, the closest living family member also is connected to their pacemaker. So if the pacemaker disconnects or something happens, the closest living relative will get an alert of that. Like, what good would it do if Savannah Guthrie gets an alert of that in New York City? She's going to fly to Arizona. Like, by that point a lot can happen. So would it not make sense that it would be Annie that gets an alert on her phone? And maybe she didn't see it at two in the morning, but how come she didn't react before the church lady said something? That's been like social media conversation. We don't even know if Annie is connected to her pacemaker. Like that she could not be connected to her pacemaker for whatever reason.

So it's just like every little thing because we're going on over a month now. I think people, have so little information. This case has been shoved in all the headlines. So it's almost like it the way that I guess to most graciously describe it is it's a case that is nonstop on the news for a month. And so people will read the news, get invested, get emotionally invested, and then there's so little information, I think people start just making up their ideas of what happened. So I'm just going to run through all the things that people think are suspicious about Annie and Tomaso. And this is just me being comprehensive about the internet coverage. It is not me saying that I think that they're involved or that they should be looked at as persons of interest.

I think the investigators will hopefully know what they're doing better than I am. There was intense FBI presence around Annie Guthrie's house at one point. Agents were going door to door to ask for consent to search people's properties near Annie Guthrie's house. They were allegedly looking in sheds going under fences. One neighbor reports to the media that they were searching for something that could have been dropped. Or at least that's what the FBI agents told her. Could have been dropped? Yeah.

So a lot of people are saying, oh, why would they look into Annie Guthrie's house unless there's something weird there? The argument here is, I mean, that was the last place that Nancy was before going home. Of course that they would want to search it. That's just being thorough. Another thing is, you don't know who is in any of these homes. So the fact that they're searching Annie Guthrie's house does not mean. that the authorities are suspicious of Annie Guthrie or Tomaso or anybody else, it could be anybody that enters that house. And this is an assumption, seeing drone footage,

news coverage, at least outside of Nancy Guthrie's house, there's probably housekeepers, caretakers, maintenance men, pool cleaners, landscapers. I mean, it's a big house. And she is an 84-year-old woman. She probably has a lot of people come and tend to the grounds. That could mean that someone connected to those people could be involved. So a lot of experts are weighing in on this case and they're saying if you really do kidnap a wealthy individual for ransom, it's usually someone who knows the people personally. And that's not to say it's a family member, but let's say you have a housekeeper. And maybe it's not the housekeeper. But that housekeeper saw you go on a shopping spree. When you came home, the housekeeper saw how much money you spent or all the new things in your house,

the time. And they don't care, but they go home and over dinner, they're like, oh, I have this one client who just like every day, they're going out and spending so much money, or they just like have so much jewelry. It's crazy. Yeah, it's the third party. And their cousin is like, oh, that's very interesting. How much jewelry do they have? Okay. So they could be searching Annie Guthrie's home, not because of Annie Guthrie, but because Annie Guthrie could also have housekeepers who talk, or she could have groundskeepers who talk. And in defense of the family members, there is no warrant to search Annie Guthrie's house. It's been publicly stated that Annie and her husband have consented to a search of their home. The search could be nothing just because, like I said, Nancy was at their house the night

before. But one officer who worked in a lot of cases says, when you suspect someone, you never want to do a search with consent. You want a warrant. Because once it goes to trial, they could be like, I never give you consent. What are you talking? about. So this police officer is saying that the fact this is a consent search. Yes. Meaning they're not like really a person of interest. Yes.

But, you know, there are other officers who are fighting back saying, well, sometimes not really. And then you have other people saying it could also be a sealed warrant. And they did consent. You know, like we don't really have proof that there's no warrant. But I do think it's interesting. And I would imagine that they did consent to the search. So, but that is, okay, going back to.

what this officer said. If it's a consent search, what happens with the evidence? You can deny it? I mean, it's most likely it's still going to be admissible, but he's just saying it's a headache. Because then you have lawyers being like,

my client never consented to a search. I see. And then you're like, okay, now it's like a headache. Now you've got to bring in more officers to testify. It's like it becomes a thing. So it seems like some practice that they do

where they're like, let's avoid the headache, get a warrant. You know. Okay. So that has been a huge issue. The next thing is that for the longest time, Tomaso was just MIA.

A lot of people found it weird that Tomaso was not in the videos with the Guthrie siblings pleading for Nancy's return. I don't think that that's weird. I would imagine Annie and Tomaso do have a child together. Perhaps while Annie is dealing with this, he could be with their child.

I mean, that would make the most sense in my mind. But a lot of people took his absence away from the public eye or being vocal about this case as him being guilty. Then the next time that he was seen was a recent memorial walk where Savannah Guthrie, Annie Guthrie, and Tomaso went to Nancy's house so people had laid out all these yellow flowers all around the perimeter of the house, neighbors, media. I mean, just some people had trekked, made a journey to come to Nancy's house to lay out yellow flowers, whether they have a personal story of their own, I'm not sure, but they went to go pay their respects to, I guess, maybe the people that have shown support.

And people have been over-analyzing Tomaso's walk, his gate. So the ring doorbell footage, the Google Nest footage, there is a part where the person leans down to pick up the foliage to try and cover the doorbell. People are like, look at Tomaso when he leans down to like put the flowers down. people are just there's like so much that is going on and people are using this they're like taking screenshots comparing the screenshots and when you do things like this it feels like it has evidentiary value but it probably doesn't i mean i think at any point you could probably screenshot my walk into looking like something else it just yeah it's a lot that's happening and i'm not saying i know tamaso and that he's for sure innocent i'm just saying it's like

It's a little dangerous to do that with someone who is a relative of the family member with as a little information that we have. Second, there is another thing that has been overanalyzed is the fact that the sheriff originally came out to say, okay, so after going to dinner, Nancy was dropped off by Tomaso. Then he later changes it to say by a family member. So people are like, why is you taking the heat off of Tomaso unless he wants Tomaso to talk to him more or to feel less pressure from the public? And I just think maybe he's just saying that because people have been bullying Tomaso. Then federal agents with shirts that read ICAC on their shirts are seen going into Annie and Tomas's house. ICAC.

Yes. So that is internet crimes against children, which sounds shocking. However, a few things to note, the division ICAC, they're actually a unit within the feds that deal heavily with kidnappings. And they're really adept at retrieving data from. devices. It doesn't have to be that they particularly think that someone is committing crimes against children in this house. It's literally, they're just helping with a kidnapping. Furthermore, when they walk into Annie and Tomaso's house, they're seen walking in with a tripod and a ring light. So then the natural insinuation is that they're helping the family film the Instagram

videos where they are begging whoever took Nancy to bring her back. So the very first family video shows Savannah, Annie, and Cameron sitting together on a couch. Savannah and Annie starts speaking. They have papers in front of them. Savannah Guthrie is in the middle and she starts, and I'm going to insert this for the video watchers. On behalf of our family, we want to thank all of you for your prayers

for our beloved mom Nancy. We feel them and we continue to believe that she feels them too. Our mom is a kind, faithful, loyal, fiercely loving woman of goodness and light. She's funny, spunky, and clever. She has grandchildren that adore her and crowd around her and cover her with kisses.

She loves fun and adventure. She is a devoted friend. She is full of kindness and knowledge. Talk to her and you'll see. And then Annie begins. The light is missing from our lives. Nancy is our mother. We are her children.

She is our beacon. She holds fast to joy in all of our, in all of life circumstances. She chooses joy day after day. Despite having already passed through great trials of pain and grief, we are always going to be merely human. just normal human people who need our mom. Mama, mama, if you're listening, we need you to come home, we miss you. Then back to Savannah. Our mom is heart and our home. She is 84 years old. Her health and her

heart is fragile. She lives in constant pain. She is without any medicine. She needs it to survive. And she needs it not to suffer. We too have heard the reports about a ransom letter in the media. As a family, we are doing everything that we can. We are ready to talk. However, we live in a world where voices and images are easily manipulated. We need to know without a doubt that she is alive and that you have her. We want to hear from you and we are ready to listen. Please reach out to us. Mommy, if you are hearing this, you are a strong woman. You are God's precious daughter, Nancy. We believe and know that even in this valley, he's with you. Everyone is looking for you, mommy, everywhere. We will not rest. Your children will not rest until we are together again. We speak to you every moment and we pray

without seizing, we rejoice in advance for the day that we hold you in our arms again. We love you, Mom. After this video comes out, the internet does what it does, and they start making commentary on the video itself. Not the situation, but the video, stating that Savannah seems emotional. She's audibly crying. How about Annie and Cameron? They seem less emotional. Cameron barely speaks. And when Annie does, her tone and voice seem devoid of any emotion. These are just some of the things on the internet. They start feeling suspicious about this. I will say that it's pertinent to note that this is most likely how they were told to film the video. As neutral, as unemotional as possible, while still sounding sincere.

If someone is out there with Nancy, everything in this video could be used against them. Like not in the court of law, but could be used to harm them. A lot of hostage takers, kidnappers, they get off on the power dynamics and they, you know, getting off can mean a lot of things. If they see the family is hysterical and absolutely desperate, it can signal to the abductors. that they have enormous control. So maybe they'll escalate their demands. They'll extend the timelines. They'll push their luck and that could result in a death. One negotiator states, when emotions run high, both families and the kidnappers are more likely to make impulsive, dangerous choices. If you can't

control your own emotions, how can you expect to influence the emotions of another party? And I think everybody reacts to stress differently. So while Savannah may show more outward emotion, slightly more. It could be very well that Annie and Cameron, in order for them to not be overly emotional in the video, which is what they're instructed to do, probably. Maybe the only way is to completely shut off all the emotion. And just kind of stare off and read what they've been told to read

in a flat effect because otherwise they're going to sob. It could be that. Like, we really don't know. Cameron, Nancy's son later does a video by himself where he is seen holding the camera and he states, again without much emotion he states this is Cameron Guthrie i'm speaking for the Guthrie family whoever is out there holding our mother we want to hear from you we haven't heard anything directly we need you to reach out and we need a way to communicate with you so we can move forward

but first we have to know that you have our mom we want to talk to you and we are waiting for contact but it's been now over a month Nancy Guthrie needs medication to stay alive and there's been no ransom paid no further contact at least that we know of and no sign of Nancy Guthrie anywhere. And that is where I leave you with part one, the audio podcast for the Nancy Guthrie case. Part two will be coming soon where we cover more of the people that have been detained in regards to this case and more theories of could it be a potential neighbor. There's a very suspicious neighbor that TikTok does not like. So with that being said, stay safe and I will see you in the next one.