Rotten Mango - Patrick Clancy & Rachel Danis: Barry's Bootcamp Photo, Costa Rica, and the Affair Theory

Episode Date: September 25, 2026

Eight months after the Clancy children were killed, Patrick Clancy has a new city, a new life, and the internet has a whole new list of questions. Who is Rachel Danis, and when exactly did she enter the picture? From a blurry Barry's Bootcamp photo to a coincidence in trips to Costa Rica, netizens have been pulling at every thread. These are all the rumors, the timelines, and the online theories surrounding Patrick's move to NYC, the mistress allegations, and the woman some say looks a little too familiar.  Full show notes available at RottenMangoPodcast.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Bad a being, bad a boo. About an hour outside of New York City, ambulances are rushing to this million-dollar private residence. It's a house. It's the house of an oncology specialist that works at Mount Sinai in New York City. She's known to be an investigator of breast cancer clinical trial. She's very accomplished in her life. When the ambulance gets there to the scene, two individuals have already passed by gunshot.

The doctor, Dr. Christopher. Cassetta, she is the prominent oncologist in the city, and her four-month-old daughter. The authorities are very quick to rule this a murder self-exit, with a lot of netizens agreeing that there is likely some sort of postpartum psychosis or severe postpartum depression at play here. I mean, this incident was particularly shocking, as many of Crystal's colleagues, they're coming forward, and yes, they are expressing a lot of grief, but they're also expressing shock. People describe her as someone who was dedicated and passionate about her job in health care who was dedicated to being a good mother.

Nobody saw any sort of warning signs that something very bad was happening. The only surviving member of the immediate family was the husband, the father of the four-month-old child. There were other witnesses in the home that were present. But it seems to be Crystal's parents were home and they thought something fell from upstairs and when they rushed up. But the husband, Tim Talti, was not home at the time of the incident. Tim Talti will soon get a message, though, from someone who believes they're going through very similar things. Someone whose family was in the news just eight months prior, and he gets a message from Patrick Clancy. Patrick reaches out to Tim, and by this point, Patrick lives in New York City, so they're able to meet up, grab a pizza.

And we know all of this, because Patrick Clancy. has done a few interviews since January 24th, 2023. The main one initially was this extensive narrative piece done by the New Yorker. That's from October 24. And in that piece, Patrick tells the author that he actually read about what happened to Dr. Casketta. Patrick says, Crystal, Dr. Casketta, kind of looked like Lindsay. So for a couple of days, I couldn't stop thinking about them.

On the surface, I will say with the two cases, there does appear to be similarities. two incredibly accomplished professionals in the healthcare industry, two women whose peers have nothing but positive things to say about them, that nobody saw this coming, and it's all happening within the same year of 2023. But as far as visual similarities, I tried to go through a lot of Reddit pages. I couldn't find a single Redditor,

and maybe I just wasn't looking hard enough, right? Or maybe it's subjective. I couldn't find a single person pointing out the visual similarities of Dr. Cascada and Lindsay Clancy. But some netizens think it's interesting because there is another visual similarity in the Clancy children case that has some netizens confused. And that's the visual similarity between Lindsay Clancy, the woman who was on trial for the murder of her three children, and Rachel Danis, the new wife of Patrick Clancy. Some netizens believe that Lindsay and Rachel looks so similar. They would even go as far to question how Patrick can look at his new wife without seeing Lindsay.

and with seeing Lindsay, maybe he is constantly reminded of his three children's passing. Would he be reminded of what Lindsay is accused of doing every time he looks at Rachel? And if he saw a visual similarity between Dr. Cascetta and Lindsay that was so jolting that he couldn't stop thinking about them for a few days, does he see a visual similarity between Lindsay and Rachel Dennis? Does it even really matter in the grand scheme of things? I mean, I guess it depends on which net is in you ask. but this is part three of the Lindsay Clancy case.

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This case has themes of mental health conditions like postpartum depression, psychosis. However, the details of this case are not representative of any particular diagnosis and no generalizations should be made from this case about those conditions. There are mentions of taking one's life. There are mentions of taking the lives of others, including, I mean, particularly small children. We may mention various opinions, speculations, comments all from the public about this case. These are not representative of our own and they are not legally confirmed.

The only person that was ever considered a suspect in the murders of the three Clancy children has been Lindsay Clancy. Nobody has been named a person of interest. Nobody has been named a suspect. Nobody has been charged or arrested or convicted with those crimes. I mean, Lindsay hasn't even been convicted of those crimes as of right now. So just keep that in mind. Everything available for this case is public information, at least what we pulled from.

Please keep in mind that statements and quotes may be summarized, condensed, or shortened for brevity. This will be a multi-part series and there might be individual additional disclaimers. But for now, please watch with discretion, take care, and let's get into it. Summer of 2013, about 10 years before the Clancy children are killed. Lindsay is a nursing student and her roommate, Kristen, happens to be a cousin of Patrick Clancy. That's how they meet. Which like, what are the odds, right? Not that slim, apparently, because Patrick has 41 first cousins. This is just like first cousins. Yeah, he comes from a huge Catholic family.

So with this case, and we're gonna go over it in the next part, but you're gonna see a lot of people say, oh, well, have you seen that his cousin works here and here and here and this is also his cousin? We think this is his cousin. There's a lot of links to a lot of family members. Lindsay's only 22 years old at this point, but she seems like she wants to settle down.

One of her friends states, she was looking for a good potential family man, which Patrick is that on paper. Relatives say he was an even killed gentle kid. his mom Sue Clancy says Pat doesn't like to be angry. He doesn't like hostility. He's always been that type since he was very little to just give the benefit of the doubt. It seems like they were a good match for each other.

Later, Patrick would even say that Lindsay was just very fun-loving, outgoing person, and they had the same goals in life. Like they both wanted a family. One of Lindsay's former colleagues at the hospital says, yet Lindsay would talk about kind of in a joking manner that she would want enough children to fill a baseball team. Some friends say, yeah, if anyone was going to do that and be a good mom, it would probably be Lindsay, though. She was like born to be a mom.

Her roommate introduces her to her cousin. So Kristen's cousin, Patrick, the roommate is like, meet my cousin. This is my roommate, Lindsay. And the first day it sounds cute. Patrick takes Lindsay to fly kites on a beach in Boston. Apparently it's 95 degrees outside, but they don't even care. And then soon she's going to the Fourth of July party with the entire Clancy clan, which is, I don't know, like a whole population of people. They do date for a while.

They date for about two years before they move in together, September 2015, and then a year later, December 2016, they get married. And a year after that, December 2017, they have their very first child, Cora, together. By all accounts, their relationship seems just overall uneventful. Patrick's sister describes Lindsay as sweet, a little quiet, just lovely. The cousin, the roommate, remember? She says, they never really had any bumps in the road. So on paper, I imagine, they seem like a great match. After graduating, Lindsay goes on to be a labor, delivery nurse.

And as we know, Patrick's mom Sue Clancy was also a labor and delivery nurse. They actually worked together briefly when Lindsay was doing rotations at the hospital that she worked at. Wow. Interesting. Meanwhile, Patrick is a business major, starts working at a telecommunications company in Boston, later working remote for Microsoft. They are a very active couple. Lindsay was a former cheerleader in high school. Patrick loves sailing. Both of them do a lot of running, which seems to be how Patrick meets his next wife, Rachel Dennis, through running, it appears.

And this is where things get very convoluted. And before we get into the very explosive 60 Minutes interview done by CBS, we're going to have to go through a lot of the internet theories because there's this one lingering theory that Rachel Dennis and Patrick Clancy had a relationship before the Clancy children were killed. And that would change the entire narrative that would change the entire, I would imagine, investigation of things if that were to be proven true. And when you go on places like TikTok and Reddit, there are a lot of people who are stating it as a fact. And I was just trying to dig up everything that I could of what's been confirmed, what's semi-confirmed, what seems real, but we don't know for sure and what is definitely not true. And we're going to dissect all of that.

Rachel Danes is a reproductive endocrinologist and infertility specialist in New York City affiliated with Mount Sinai. Her work page states that academic medicine has always played a significant role in Dr. Danes' career, stating she has conducted research, written book chapters, and has been a devoted educator to medical students, residents, and junior fellows. It feels like the very first initial reaction online about Patrick's new wife has been more so about how similar she looks. to Lindsay Clancy. One person comments about Rachel, he's got a type. Her resemblance to Lindsay is scary. Someone agrees with, I have always found it strange that he chose someone to marry who looks like the person who killed his kids. To which someone responds, she's much prettier than Lindsay. There's quite a bit that people have tried to dig up into Dr. Rachel Danis, but none of it has

been confirmed. I mean, there are theories floating around out there that her father is Roy Danis. And I do think that this is, it does seem to be her father. Roy Dennis has a public page that goes through his 35 year career in the wine and spirits industry, including a very notable 17-year stint at Seagram before it went defunct. Seagram, I mean, they were sold off. Seagram, if you know, they had a lot of notable brands that were later sold off when they went defunct, like absolute vodka, makers mark, crown royal, fireball, and obviously Seagram's ginger rail, like the most iconic ginger rail.

Well, I guess you could argue it's Canada dry. It's up to you, right? The public profile for Roy Dennis states that he was there with increasing responsibilities in sales and marketing. It seems like he was a very high up executive. Then doing some Facebook stalking, Instagram stalking, we were able to find pictures of someone who looks very similar to the very public professional profile of Roy Dennis in pictures with Rachel Danis.

and they were posted before the internet went into a frenzy. So it does, I mean, unless someone's really great at AI and Photoshop and hacking, it seems like her dad is either Roy Danis or someone who looks exactly like Roy Danis. But again, in the world of doppelgangers, who is to say that it's the same guy, right? But it just feels. So potentially her dad is very, very wealthy and successful, right? Yes. Yes.

But that's not the controversial connection. The controversial connections have come as the Internet starts. loosely connecting strings of information. So for example, one of the Seagram heiresses, Claire Bronsman, has been sentenced to a seven-year prison sentence for being a leading member of the sex cult Nixium. Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah.

And Edgar Bromfman Jr., the brother of Clara, has a name listed, he's a name that's been listed in the Epstein files. Ah, I see. So there's like some association. Yes. There's a stronger association with Edgar I'm going to get into. but the facts could remain like this. Rachel Dennis' father may or may not be a man named Roy Dennis.

He may or may not be the same Roy Dennis that worked for 17 years at Seagram. Seagram erases, Claire and Sarah have been accused of being involved with Nixium, the sex cult. Claire herself has been convicted and sentenced to prison for her involvement. Sarah has not been. They are the Seagram heiresses. They may or may not have had any interaction with Roy Dennis. the only known connection being that he worked for the brand, and there's no indication that if any interaction was had,

that it was nefarious, at least with the sisters. However, the connection with Edgar Bronfman Jr., the sister's brother, another Seagram error, is a lot deeper. Edgar and Roy Dennis co-founded a new company Revival Spirits together with a third partner. So like a little trio. Really? Yeah. But again, that doesn't mean that either of them are involved in something nefarious.

or that they have been doing nefarious things together. And also just because your name does come up in the Epstein files does not mean that you knew what Epstein was doing. But there's a lot of just connections. Now, are these just connections made because powerful people who do dirty, nasty things are friends with other powerful people who may or may not do dirty nasty things? We don't know. But those are the facts that people could have gathered.

And people have started theorizing based off the facts that something sinister is going on, that there's some level of deep corruption that Rachel, Danes is protecting Patrick Clancy and there's some sort of underlying power play that's happening. But again, I would just like to reiterate and probably attorney, our attorney would like me to reiterate probably, okay? While I am quick to cite eye, a lot of people listed in the Epstein files, these are just loose publicly known professional connections with no indication of personal ties or anything sinister happening behind the scenes. It's almost like saying a high up executive at Microsoft should have known that Bill Gates was cheating on his wife and should probably

ban him from playing bridge in order to keep it in his pants. That connection is a little bit harder to draw. It's kind of a far throw. Then there's the hot mic situation. The internet found what appears to be Roy Dennis's Instagram page. And for a brief moment in time, it appeared that he had reposted a clip from the trial of the infamous hot mic moment. We go more into this later, but During the testimony of a medical examiner, Lindsay was crying pretty, pretty audibly, pretty hard. She was sobbing uncontrollably. A lot of news networks describe it. And one of the prosecutors were allegedly caught on a hot mic saying, shut her up.

Now, many people who do not like Lindsay or just many people who have heard the same audio think that the prosecutor was saying, shut it off. But the internet is mixed. Some people think they're saying, shut her up, shut it off. in the context both do seem to work when you say shut it off there was something like something on the projector oh so it's unrelated to Lindsay

yes so both in the context actually makes sense right right right I would say shut her up is a little less contextual because you would assume how do you shut her up right yeah and then you would assume that the prosecutors know there's mics everywhere but live streaming

but it does kind of sound like it so it's very confusing now we don't know know what was actually said, but it's been the running internet theory that Lindsay's reaction to the medical examiner's testimony, I will say, did not do the Commonwealth any favors. So with that context, it also makes sense of maybe they're very stressed. This is not doing what they thought it would do. A lot of people felt the prosecutors came off unusually cruel, and Lindsay was showing very real raw emotions. Regardless, Reddington brings it up in court with the judge in a very tense moment. So of course, Reddington,

is arguing that the prosecutor said, shut her up. And Reddington has this very viral moment where he tells the judge this is not the handmaid's tale. We can't just shut women up, essentially. That's what he says. And the judge... Is that happening at the same time or this happened the next day? The next day.

So Reddington likely saw the live street, like the hot mic moment. Yes. It seems like Reddington has somebody that's on TikTok. I mean, it must be checking. But what did the judge say? The judge was like sidebar and Immediately. He was getting upset. He's like, we're not doing this right now. It was not in front of the jurors, but still. And nothing came out of it? Nothing. Yeah.

netizens report seeing Roy Dennis reposting it on Instagram before taking his account private, which if he did do that, there were some netizens saying, what's the meaning behind that? It doesn't explain why he did it. I would like to think if this were true. Again, I saw it, but with things being doctored these days, it's very hard to say definitively that this is exactly what happened. I can't say with full confidence, really anything. I think that he accidentally reposted it if that were the case.

I don't think there's any sort of deeper meaning or underlying message that he's trying to send out to the world. I think he's just an older man that didn't realize that his repost were public. But even with that, why was he saving it? Why was he logging it? Why did he want it? It's kind of odd. I mean, to me, all this sounds like he's definitely watching all the content out there. But who isn't?

Yeah, who's, yeah, exactly. So there's a lot of speculations, but ultimately they lead nowhere with that train of thought. But I think if one really is in the mood to speculate, I guess it could be speculated that Rachel Dannis comes from a very wealthy and perhaps very well-connected family if Roy Dannis is in fact her father, which it seems very likely that he is. But since the start of Lindsay's trial, Rachel Dannis and Patrick Clancy have been the subject of a lot of people's attention, including the likes of tabloids such as TMZ, who have been following them around in New York City. One article reads,

ex-hubby Patrick's tense outing with the new wife. There's pictures of the two of them on a rooftop area in New York City and the article reports. Patrick was seen taking phone calls and pacing in circles while using his phone. At one point, he reportedly sat his feet on the table and wiggled his toes, which is quite descriptive, but you get a wide range of reactions from the internet. One is, hear me out. They're talking on the roof because they're worried their apartment is bugged. Others point out that he's not in Massachusetts for most of the trial saying,

I think something is coming out that's changing about the trial and revealing something more about him and maybe them. To which another person writes the opposite sentiment saying people are ruining his life again after he did everything he could for Lindsay, even made sure his family was there for her. People are mad that he's remarried three years later. Rachel and Patrick have since been spotted in New York City smiling, running errands at a coffee shop in the Hamptons, browsing. People have a lot of mixed feelings about it. Some are happy and think that it's very healthy that he testified at the trial and is trying to live a normal life. I mean, his kids are gone. Being involved with this criminal trial that he probably likely did not want to begin with

is not going to bring his kids back. Others are saying it's still weird. It's still the trial for your three children, your kids and your ex-wife is the defendant. Don't you want to be there? Or at least is it not a time where maybe you'll hole up in the house. and you're just going through it. Not saying that people are wishing him to be in pain, but I think people are just analyzing his behavior. And fine, maybe you're not in Massachusetts. Maybe you stay home in New York City,

but maybe you're just like work from home and you're not in the Hamptons at a coffee shop. People are arguing. People say some people also argue, it's not just the fact that three years have passed. A lot of people bring their own anecdotal evidence into it. And again, anecdotal evidence is not really evidence, but you get the idea.

I think with this case, everyone comes in with their own opinions that a lot of them tie back to their own personal experiences, their own personal relationships, their relationship with their own children. But people have come out to say, like a family member of mine was killed. And there wasn't a trial for like 10 years. But even after 10 years, your life moves on, the trial hits. Nothing is the same anymore. It's re-digging up all these past traumas, the memories.

And it's just a very visceral moment. It's not like, oh, well, it's been three years, you should be able to move on. So there is that argument. But as TMZ was following Patrick and Rachel in New York City during the trial, there is one paparazzi photo of them holding hands, walking in the city, and Rachel looks pregnant. I know it's not good to speculate. I know it's not good to comment on women's bodies, but it is something that has kickstarted another frenzy of theories and rumors online.

Some people are focused on Patrick and they say, if Rachel is pregnant, Either A, you know, some netizens are saying, I'm really happy for Patrick. I'm really happy for Rachel. I'm glad that Patrick gets to move on after this horrific tragedy. Or B, they're confused how he can just have another child three years after the incident. Some people wonder, isn't he traumatized? Like, isn't he scared about leaving the baby alone with Rachel? I mean, sure, he thinks it was postpartum psychosis that happened to Lindsay,

and that's why the three children are gone. But, and yes, it is rare, but the, people are saying, you know, that trauma, your brain doesn't work logically. So it's not like your brain is going to say, oh, well, PPP is very rare and what are the odds? People are saying, I just would never feel comfortable. I would be so paranoid. Like, I don't know if I would want to relive that paranoia just three years later. So this conversation happened before the 60 minute came out?

Yes. When they, after they announced? And I will say there's so much confusion that Rachel and Patrick already have children. So there was, you know, some theories online that they already have a child. that they this is her second pregnancy it doesn't seem to be the case this seems like it everything is very vague even in the 60 minutes it's very vague but we do know if they hadn't already had a child they are going to have a child soon yeah because they're saying they're starting a family so yes she's okay but there are some conspiracy theories that the wording of that it meant like

they already had the child like maybe the child was recently born and that's why the internet is confused because there seems to be some sort of source material. I guess someone is pulling from to indicate that they already have children. I don't know. I think it seems likely that she's probably pregnant right now, but we don't know for sure. We're not certain. It's not like she was like, oh, yes, I'm pregnant. But also the timing people think is odd to start a family during the midst of the trial.

And then a lot of the focus has also shifted to Rachel with a lot of these paparazzi photos. With a lot of people being confused how Rachel feels comfortable having a child with someone who is at the center of national attention and not in the best way, but in a very complicated, messy way. I mean, she's accomplished in her own right. She could find another partner that doesn't come with so much baggage is what netizens are saying. A lot of other netizens are fighting back on this verbiage as they believe that it shames surviving family members. They're saying, what do you mean baggage? Oh, so that's supposed to mean that if you're the surviving family member of a tragedy that someone, with a good job, someone with a good family background should think twice before they love you.

There's a lot of discourse online back and forth. But regardless, the conversation is out there. And with that conversation, there's a whole new theory out there that people are like, well, maybe Rachel Dennis is not with Patrick Clancy after the incident. Maybe Rachel Danis has been there from the beginning. Maybe Patrick and Rachel Danis met before the children were killed. one of the biggest pieces of circulating media that I could find that would lead netizens to believe that Patrick and Rachel knew each other before they said they did is a circulating picture. It is a screenshot of an Instagram post from November 15th, 2022. I couldn't find the original photo because the poster's handle has been censored.

So I couldn't go back to Instagram to confirm with you that this was posted November of 2022. But it is a picture of seven people at a big. Barry's Boot Camp in Tribeca, standing in front of this giant Barry's Boot Camp Tribeca sign. And there are two people in the picture that look familiar. They think the person second to left is Rachel. And the person on the very right is Patrick Clancy. Now, side note, this is, again, a circulating screenshot. I don't know what could have been edited on there.

The date of the post could have been edited. The poster's username is censored. So again, we don't know. And it's a little grainy. It's a little pixelated. So Patrick already is in New York back in 2022. No. I mean, he was going on there for business trips, which is another connection that people are like.

Maybe he met Rachel on a business trip. The connection actually goes a little bit deeper. So Microsoft works with, they create a lot of healthcare system, like data aggregation models and like, oh, here's this system that a lot of hospitals will use to track whatever, right? And so people are saying, well, Patrick works at Microsoft and he actually helps in the sales department. And Rachel works at Mount Sinai. And there is a connection between Microsoft and Mount Sinai. So maybe they met at some sort of work-related event or they ran into each other at the hospital. However, I will say a lot of people, I don't think that's the case.

That's just like a crazy. Yeah, because I do see a lot of people on Reddit being like, I work in health care. I work at Mount Sinai. never once have I ever met any employee from any sort of system company. Like, they're not meeting up with the providers. They're meeting up with the admin of the hospitals. So that's up for debate. Now, this picture in itself is quite blurry.

So it's hard to say, if that's even Rachel in the photo, though I will say it does look like Rachel in the photo. Patrick looks a little bit harder to identify. It could be Patrick. It could also be Mark Zuckerberg. It could also be another random guy. I mean, they kind of look, like the picture is that grainy is what I'm trying to emphasize. At first glance, I did think it was more Mark Zuckerberg than Patrick.

Okay. So it's hard to say if this is an undaunted post from November 2022. And if that's even Rachel and Patrick on there. But that's one of the main pieces of media. And again, it could be both of them. I'm just saying I can't confirm that it is or is not. But there are theories circulating online since Reddington did focus a portion of Patrick's cross-examination on his travels November of 2022.

So this picture was posted November 22, right? Uh-huh. Apparently. And then Redington is like, well, didn't you go to New York City in November of 2022? What? So people are like, is Reddington telling us something? Is Reddington telling us, like, that picture is real? And we, the internet are finding out about this affair, alleged affair, potential

affair, rumored affair, whatever. And a lot of people think the timing matches up. Patrick would have gone to New York City around November 1st through the 3rd. This picture is posted mid-November, so that someone could have waited a week or two to post it, which is very believable. But again, there's no way to confirm nor deny that that is Rachel and Patrick in the photo. But because Reddington focused on it, a lot of netizens feels like it adds credibility to the photo. Why did Renington ask the November 22? I don't think it has to do with the photo.

I think it has to do with the fact that Lindsay is not doing well. November, right? Because all of her troubles started in September and November is also a rough month. December is the month where she told Patrick that she had thoughts of harming the children. And this is him saying like, you were gone for days at a time. She could have killed the kids that. That's kind of more of the route that I think that he was trying to go with the cross-examination. I don't think that he was trying to focus on New York City per se, but more so you were out on a business trip. Then you went to San Francisco with Cora, just the two of you guys, right?

she's alone with the kids she's alone with all three kids when you went to new york city so why didn't she do it then why in this random like small time frame of window on a random day in january 24th i think that was more of what he was trying to push the jurors to but another thing that netizens believe adds a little more credibility to this unconcerned photo is that rachel and patrick do seem to be frequent Barry's customers. Both of them like to go to Barry's boot camp? Yes, because later there is a real photo from later in the timeline that would make more sense with them meeting after the incident of both of them at Barry's. That's, wow, really.

But it could be that Rachel had an interview with her workplace where she talks about how she loves Barry's boot camp. She loves the red lights. She loves how she can just decompress and just get lost. This is like the best way to re-energize herself So she seems like she loves berries I don't know if maybe they met later As they said they did And she introduced him to berries

When when was that photo? It's like 2025 Or later in 2024 So it would actually match with their timeline And I will say that photo I'm like that is definitely Patrick That is definitely Rachel That is not Mark Zuckerberg

Interesting okay But I think the thing Fueling the mistress rumors if you will, is that people just have a hard time believing Patrick could move on so quickly and that Rachel would choose to be involved with Patrick. I think people are trying to say that they're being pragmatic about the situation and just saying logically she is this very accomplished doctor in the city. Her dad seems to be this very well-connected, very wealthy person and she wants to get

entangled in one of the biggest controversial stories in America as of late. doesn't make any sense. People are saying, some people are arguing obviously, but one comment reads, you'll never change my mind. The affair was happening before the tragedy. No one, no one moves on that fast. Others point out the Rachel thing. They say, I would have reservations on dating a man whose wife unalive their three children. I would just have so many questions. To which someone comments back, same. I'd question if he could have done more to help her safeguard his children and the fact that he's ready to move on so quickly, she should see that as a warning. Then another big circulating conversation has been that Rachel was at the children's funeral.

So this was February 3rd of 2023, you know, a week or two after the children's deaths. She was? No. Oh. I could not find any credible evidence of that at all. All I could find was Rachel was at a memorial for the children in a park that was created in the children's memory. That was in 2025 when the park had its grand opening.

Well, I don't want to say grand opening, but it's opening ceremony. and Rachel was videoed there, she was photographed there. And so because people have been conflating, oh, she was at the memorial, and memorial sounds like a funeral, they were like, how could she have been at the funeral, unless she knew Patrick from before? Then another big allegation is that Patrick signed a lease to an apartment in New York City before the children's murders.

That has been hotly debated. I could not find any credible evidence of that. It seems like he moved in April of 2023, which is just a few months. after the murders, which is, I will say there is some good conversation to have of like, that is a quick move, but I couldn't find evidence that it was before the children's murders. Could he have been redditing and Googling about apartments in New York City before the murders? That's up for debate right now.

But just to give you a rough timeline, Patrick moves April of 2023. That's the most credible timeline that we have so far. That is the confirmed timeline. But it does appear that he would travel to New York City before the murders for meetings at Microsoft. And now that he's alone, he says he didn't want to stay in Duxbury where everyone knew what happened. He just wanted anonymity. And it seems maybe it was a better fit for his job. He moved to New York.

Some say they understand his choice. Others say they understand. But damn, that was a fast freaking move. But another circulating claim on TikTok has been that he rented an apartment that was owned by a company that was run by Roy Dennis, which simplified turned into Patrick, rented an apartment from Rachel's dad. Rachel's dad is Patrick's landlord. I did find zero credible evidence of that. And again, just because I can't find credible evidence doesn't mean that it's not true.

But also, we can't take it as truth either because there's nothing to prove that it is true, publicly at least. But it doesn't seem to be... I mean, nothing... I was trying to cross-reference like the company name and then Roy Dennis. Roy Dennis is like known for just spirits and wine. They could have other relations, a lot of wealthy, powerful people, do invest in a lot of real estate, but it just doesn't seem.

I see. Yeah. There was also a viral claim that Patrick and Rachel ran a half marathon together just nine days before the children were killed in January of 2023. The initial online discussion being, did they just happen to run the same marathon? Or did they know each other? The race being circulated with this viral claim is actually from 2026 and not 2023. So it doesn't, I tried to look at the records.

it doesn't seem like either of them ran the 2023 race. But they did run the 26 race together. Patrick, Patrick, I think, finished 81st. Rachel finished like 105th, right? So it appears to be a mix-up of the years. But more on this race later. Now, one of the bigger aspects of the conversation by netizens who believe Rachel and Patrick knew each other before the children's murders is they referenced

Patrick Clancy's potential Yelp account. I cannot again say with full confidence, really anything about this case, But this does seem like Patrick's Yelp account. It seems like it. Side note, another reason people believe this is likely Patrick's account is there's a review for Kingsbury Club and Spa, which the Commonwealth actually had an employee from Kingsbury Club and Spa testify about Patrick and Lindsay being members. And they were members of that spa. Duxbury is not this huge place in Massachusetts. There's connections to reviews of restaurants from Lindsay's hometown and New York City.

where Patrick traveled for work and it seems like it's his account. The review reads for Kingsbury Club and Spa. Two stars is very fair. It's very expensive, $100 plus every month. They try to pretend this cost reflects an upscale gym, but almost everything about it is outdated. It's like taking a trip back to 1995. They offer babysitting, but our kid who is usually very social

comes out crying every time. This was part of the reason we joined, but this service has been proven to be obsolete. Another connection is, the employee that testified was the one that ran the babysitting like the kids section whoa so what what is the the employee um testifying for just who picked them up who dropped them off the commonwealth was trying to draw some conclusions that like oh look at lindsay exercising all the time like look at her living this life where she's just got all this help yeah did lindsay seem like she was hearing voices that you didn't hear like those kinds of, people did not understand the point of that witness, I will say. Yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah. But he, this reviewer continues to write. So then we canceled and they

continued to charge us for another month. It's kind of like asking for your bill at a restaurant and then your server brings you two more drinks. Two stars. Now, there are lots of reviews on this account and netizens have been trying to, well, first of all, the assumption is that this is Patrick's account. The second assumption is that this is reflective of Patrick Clancy's personality then. And that's why these reviews have garnered a lot of attention. It's not that these reviews have anything explosive or crazy about them. It's just, it's part of the conversation, so we're going to cover it. A review for a company called Miami kite boarding, which again, he likes kites, reads, The Poor Reviews for This Place Surprise Me. But after my trip there,

they were unfortunately confirmed. When I arrived at the front desk, I was simply ignored. The woman made eye contact with me and knew I was there, but just kept looking at her phone and having a casual conversation with her coworker. It was honestly weird and frustrating. Then they were arrogant. They were trying to tell me what size kite and board I should use, even though I've been kiting for years and knew which size I should be on. I ultimately took their advice, but had to come all the way back to switch to the size I originally wanted. Then I asked to buy some sunblock and realize at that point I was just getting ripped off. They gave me a tube the size of a chapstick for $20. I asked if there were other options. Nope. That tube lasted me to do.

Next time, I will bring my own gear and kite somewhere else. What a shame, two stars. The account leaves reviews for hotels with one reviewing. How this place attracts paying customers might be the eighth wonder of the world. Do you like hallways that smell like you're in? Well, this place is for you. Not only that, the staff is incredibly rude, the food service is worse than prison, and a sure way to get diarrhea, one star.

Another one for the Sheraton, New York in Times Square. For this money, this is one of the worst hotels I have ever stayed at, The elevators are insanely slow. One day it took me 15 minutes to get from my lobby to the room. They will charge you for everything, even holding onto your bag for a moment. Rooms are tiny, bathrooms are gross, holes in the wall, chip paint will never come back, one star. Does he only write low reviews? No, he has some, but a lot of them are predominantly, seems to be erring on the side of negative.

Yeah, another one for a restaurant is called, the restaurant is called Taylor Gourmet. Not Gourmet, greasy, question mark. that would be an extreme understatement. My cheese steak was not packed well and I spilled grease all over my suit ruining it. I won't eat here again. The sub itself was not desirable. One star.

Hula hands. Decent food, service sucks. Capital sucks with an exclamation mark. You will wait an eternity for your food, a drink, a table. I asked for my check and the guy says, okay, what does he do? Goes and starts cleaning tables. Ask for a beer last night.

Waiter goes off and stands in the corner. It's actually amazing to watch. Another review about the food at Hot Coffee, which reads, can't comment on the coffee, but the breakfast sandwich I was served was one of the worst I've ever seen. It was on a roll that was broken multiple pieces. The egg was mini. Not sure how that was accomplished, but it was about two inches in diameter. I ate the whole thing in three bites. Seriously, I don't know how someone could serve this and think their customers are going to like it. A breakfast sandwich isn't hard to make. Nice decor inside. Two stars. There's another low review for a coffee shop due to the fact that they did not have

ketchup packets for his breakfast sandwich. And I say his, I don't know who this Patrick C is, who this Patrick Clancy is, right? But he says the sandwich was however decent. But he says, why would you not have ketchup for breakfast sandwiches? Two stars. Another review for a restaurant called Dante reads, had to get up and leave, which is disappointing. The reviewer says that he was sitting down at the bar and the bartender was pretty non-social, but regardless, orders a beer and then he notices the bartender's friends start showing up. Quote, they're both swearing like pirates talking about how much it would suck to have kids. Little awkward for people who do have kids. F-bom, every other word and pretty loud about it came for the dollar oysters but now there are two dollars

so that's a bummer it's a really nice atmosphere with a great view just wish it was a little more professional which side note again we cannot confirm that this is patrick clancy's yelp account but if it is some that isn't say i get the feeling he does this all so that these places end up groveling and apologizing to him he likes that now imagine being married to that and again we don't know that this is patrick clancy's account but if it is you know and it's it doesn't seem kind of likely but um again we can't not confirm how often he posts these like is it very frequent or you think he just gets a bad experience and then he will write about it or he's like a constant yelp poster he's pretty frequent poster yeah pretty frequent like in the span of

i want to say like a year and a half it seems like 20 reviews oh wow yeah at least once a month Yeah, it seems pretty frequent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another... That sounds like a lot to me, but maybe nothing. Yeah, we're not like a... Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah.

Another person writes, how many negative reviews does one person have to leave before they realize they're the problem? One kind of out-of-place review is for a place called Park Avenue Market, Ace Hardware, and there's another connection there because they just talk about Home Depot, which is going to be relevant later,

but he said, this person writes, this place is my go-to as long as it's not something I can buy only at Home Depot. They're incredibly helpful and I always know I can be in and out so as long as, so I can get back to what I was doing. Also, only place where you can buy a hammer and get hammered. I guess it's in a big market where they sell drinks. Oh.

But it's not like all the reviews are bad. Some are really great. Like for a restaurant called the tasty awesome place, the decor location staff, vibe are all incredible. But most of all, the food will leave you with a warm memory. Can't wait to go back. five stars. He, whoever it may be, also leaves a review for a local Starbucks, which reads, been here twice, both times on Saturdays, it takes 25 minutes to get one drink. You'll get your coffee,

but this location is very understaffed slash inefficient. There is another review for a CVS store. That is also the same exact CBS store that Patrick Clancy went to on January 24th. So while the Commonwealth alleged that Lindsay was at home with all three children killing the three children and self-exiting. That CVS, that review reads, I can't express enough how garbage this store is. The service is terrible. I literally can't believe the people they hire. If you plan on going here, make sure you have nothing planned for the day. It will take forever. Or just save yourself a headache and go somewhere else. One star. I mean, it's a CVS. Yeah. People have been using his avid reviewing to draw connections and kind of confirm another unconfirmed review. So everything's

unconfirmed, but everyone's like, oh, but judging by the fact that this unconfirmed Yelp account that seems to be Patrick leaves a lot of reviews, that leads me to believe, you know, and that's how netizens are drawing these connections. But there's this one review that people are talking about in depth, and it's a Google review. So this is not the same Yelp account, but it's a Google review. And people are saying, well, it's probably Patrick, because Patrick loves reviewing places. Look at his Yelp, his alleged Yelp. So this Google account, it appears to be Patrick Clancy. And again, we cannot confirm. Is there names or account names? anything on there? It says Patrick Clancy. Yeah. And it's the areas that he's from. Let's say this

Patrick Clancy on Google. This Patrick Clancy on Google reviews a hiking trail that reads, this hike was amazing. It is short, but lots of stairs. You will be dripping sweat. I'm not sure about the $17. I was the only one there with no one else in sight. There's also zero self-service. So I don't know if it's like $17 to hike the trail. But that is from February 21st, 2023. less than a month after the three murders of the Clancy children. Patrick Clancy allegedly went on a hike in Costa Rica. We again don't know if this is indeed his review of this hike, but we do know with certainty that in February, Patrick did go to Costa Rica.

Really? Yes. And he did go to Europe afterwards. Patrick tells the New Yorker in 2024 that he stayed at youth hostels to avoid the site of vacationing families. The article reads, when he got back, he cleared out the Duxbury House and drove around town, handing off his children stuffed animals and unused arcade cards to friends. And then he went to Coast Rica.

He gave away his kids stuff? So the New Yorker says he kept the sentimental things, but he also gave away a lot of things. And that has also caused a lot of controversy and conversation online. Some parents are saying, I lost my child. I kept every single thing. Like their room, you never clean out their room. You want to keep it forever. You have to like force yourself to.

clean out their room. Others are saying they see why maybe seeing everything was just more painful, but I saw more people kind of, but this is again, just my personal experience online. I saw more people kind of on the former of that quickly. Some people are saying maybe like three years later, you're like, okay, you're right. I need to get rid of things and I'm just holding on to it and it's unhealthy. You say one month after? Yeah. He's giving away a lot of the kids stuff. And, Again, just because he has behavior that some people do not think make sense does not mean that he's guilty of anything. That is not what we're saying. There's just lots of conversations to be had of everyone's behavior online.

There is also an old Instagram post that starts circulating. I mean, fucking went viral actually, not just circulating. It's from February 2023. It starts making its rounds on TikTok of a random netizen who was in Costa Rica in the month of February. The caption reads, Costa Rica is a blast. This trip was all about getting out of my comfort. its own. And it goes on to list the posters experience in Costa Rica, but netizens notice a very

specific person in many of the pictures in the carousel, the Instagram carousel, Rachel Danes in Costa Rica in February, which has netizens spinning initially. Perhaps Patrick and Rachel were in Costa Rica together in February, which if that were the case, that would at least to some degrees indicate maybe that there's some sort of relationship prior to the children's murders. The original poster has come out to post a clarifying statement. And again, these are pictures of hers that were posted back in 2023 that are now going viral. It is Rachel? For sure. It's Rachel.

And they confirm it's Rachel. But there's a lot that they say that debunk some of the other speculations. And I'm sure they're getting bombarded with questions and comments. And they indicate that not all of them have been civil. But they write, and this has been a condensed statement, but they write on Instagram. Rachel and I met while participating in the same five-dive. organized group trip to Costa Rica from February 1st to February 5th of 2023. The travel company organizes group trips for solo travelers.

I joined the trip independently and did not know Rachel or any of the other travelers beforehand. She says the group obviously spent a lot of time together, which is why Rachel is in a lot of the pictures, but it's not like their best buds, right? They haven't spoken since the trip. They continue to say, when the organized trip ended, we all went home. Patrick was not a participant in our trip. This is very important to note because the Clancy Children's funeral was February 3rd,

and it doesn't appear that Patrick went to Costa Rica until later in February. So Rachel, according to the original poster, who doesn't appear to have anything to gain from not telling the truth, says that they all went home. So nothing would indicate that Rachel stayed behind to meet up with Patrick. Okay, okay. They continue, Rachel and I have not maintained contact since my trip, my experience with Rachel was limited to those five days.

I don't have information that would allow me to comment on the circumstances surrounding this case, and I won't speculate about them. They also leave a pin comment where she further addresses the question saying, one additional point for anyone asking about Patrick, I have no recollection of seeing him during the trip or of his name coming up in conversation. I don't know Patrick, and therefore wouldn't have had knowledge of his whereabouts. So it does not appear as of right now that they were together. But some still think the coincidence is just bizarre.

Together there or not? But out of all the damn countries in the world, it just seems weird. Others questioned Patrick for even going to Costa Rica a month after his kids were murdered, regardless of if you saw Rachel, didn't see Rachel. And then some are saying leaving reviews for hiking trails, which again, that has been not confirmed. But one person writes, I have warned everyone that if anything were to happen to my children, you will literally watch me rot away because I cannot move forward after. Everyone grieves different, but writing fucking Google reviews three weeks after your children die?

To which the opposing sentiment is going to Costa Rica, or at least, this is a quote from a comment, going to Costa Rica or at the very least away from Lindsay in that area is probably the best thing he could have done for himself. Someone argues back, I just learned it's illegal to enjoy nature after your ex-wife brutally murders your children. I think the Costa Rica thing probably is not what I would do at all. I can't see anyone that I know also doing that, but that's very different. Like maybe we're just not big traveler. I don't know, right? I just can't imagine going to Costa Rica that quickly.

And just because I can't imagine it doesn't mean that nobody else would do that. And that's not the best thing for them in that moment. This unconfirmed hiking review, though, I will say is a little weirder than the Costa Rica trip itself. And I think the argument there would be that it's not about hiking or not hiking. I guess the review itself is kind of odd. Because the hiking would make sense. you're, maybe you're trying to refine yourself. I don't know. I don't know what would happen, right? But people have very passionate opinions. Another comment reads, this is not how a man who loses

his whole family grieves. This is a man who thinks he got away with it. And right under that, someone writes, had a co-worker whose wife murdered his son and shot his daughter and then took herself out. He went on a self-seeking trip himself after. So it's just really all you can do after a situation like that. I think everyone's own personalities play too big of a role when determining whether or not someone thinks it's weird when Patrick does something. So it's really hard to say with certainty if something feels off or strange because everyone's just pulling from, well, I know someone that something similar happened and they did this. Or it's like something similar happened to me and I did this. I can't imagine myself behaving this way. It's just even with myself,

I catch myself being like, okay, I don't know how much of it is just anecdotal at this point of having an opinion. But there does not seem to be any credible evidence that could 100% verify and would established Rachel having accompanied Patrick to Costa Rica a month after his children's murders. But speaking of reviews, there is a review that has been heavily attributed to Rachel, and it's for a fishing charter company in Massachusetts, which allegedly Rachel, who people presumed to be Rachel, wrote that she's been using this fishing charter company in Massachusetts for years, which people were wondering, what the hell are you doing in this random Massachusetts area going fishing? What ties do you have to Massachusetts?

What kind of review is this? Yelp? It's just her name? How do we know? It's her? It's Rachel Danis, isn't it? Yeah. And even if this is Rachel's real review and she did have connections with Massachusetts fishing charter companies, there's no link in the review to Patrick. It's not like me and my boyfriend Patrick. It does not establish that Rachel knew Patrick before the Clancy children were murdered. And then on top of that, a TikTok came out of a girl claiming to be the Rachel Dennis reviewer, stating, when internet sleuths think you're Patrick Clancy's new wife. Some say that this TikToker is now trying to get attention online because this would be a very easy way to get onto the algorithm. But I just don't see why she would make up a lie about this. But again, I could be very naive. She does include footage of her on a boat fishing,

catching a rather large fish at that. So it does seem like it's her. And she says there is more than one Rachel Dennis in this world. And she has since changed her TikTok profile name to R-A-Y-Dash-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E. Chill, C-H-I-L-D-N-S. Some of the more serious accusations that have been thrown out online, though, are of people accusing Patrick and Rachel of having an affair and masterminding the children's murders and framing it on Lindsay.

And for obvious reasons, I do have to state just clearly again and again that Patrick nor Rachel, they have never been named a suspect in the deaths of the Clancy children. There is zero official evidence that would point to Patrick. being involved in the children's death. And official evidence is exactly what I said it is. Official evidence. There is nothing that the police have said or indicated that they think that Patrick was involved.

Nothing the prosecutors have said or indicated where they think that Patrick was involved. Now, how much weight you put on official evidence is a personal choice that you have to make yourself. But there is zero official evidence. that would point to Patrick being involved in the children's death. The only one that has been arrested, charged, and has been on trial for the deaths of their three children is Lindsay Clancy. Patrick Clancy has not been named a suspect. He has not been named a person of interest.

He is not the target of any investigation that we know of. And I do want to make it abundantly clear again that Rachel Dennis is relevant to the public story because she is Patrick's current wife and has decided to do an incredibly high profile 60 Minutes interview with Patrick Clancy about this case. She's not connected to the case because she is part of the criminal investigation in any way. She was not even named a witness.

She was not named really anything. There's nothing pertaining her to this case. But because of the nature of everything and the fact that Patrick is remarried and a lot of netizens have been left to speculate, one person writes a lengthier comment speculating. You got to wonder about Rachel. I do not think Patrick Clancy had any part of the murders, but dude still had hell of a lot going on and was kind of in the center of a shitstorm. why would a woman want to sign up for that?

Do they not anticipate this trial was going to become this? Is he really that much of a catch that you would put up with all of this for him? Maybe she likes helping broken people. I must be selfish as fuck because I don't think any man would be worth all of this. And those types of comments actually led to more speculations. Like that's the energy of people being like, unless she knew him before and unless this was the plan. These are again, internet theories, rumors, and speculations. And with that heavy disclaimer, that is where I leave you with the first half of this episode.

Before we get into the second half, where we dissect, I mean the 60 Minutes interview, practically phrase by phrase, because at this point, every single sentence that was uttered in that 60 minutes interview has been debated to the depths, the ninth circle of hell, and back. Please stay safe, and I'll see you then.