Rotten Mango - Unpacking 3 Million Pages Of Epstein Files + Epstein’s Secret 2 Hour Interview

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

One day before Nancy, mother of news anchor Savannah Guthrie, goes missing, the DOJ releases the largest, single dump of documents in the history of the Epstein case.   Over 3.5 million pages. More than 2k videos. Approximately 180k images.   A little over 24 hours later, Nancy vanishes and the internet starts connecting some dots, suggesting strings were pulled to ensure her disappearance monopolized the national news stage instead of the most recent Epstein files dump.   Netizens cite Savannah Guthrie’s 2019 interview with 6 of Epstein’s survivors including Shante Davies who was pictured with the former US president Bill Clinton and the now late, Virginia Guiffre. The dateline special was Virginia’s first ever televised interview, where she sat across from Savannah and specifically implicated Prince Andrew in Epstein’s trafficking ring.   So is the timing of Nancy’s disappearance just coincidental or is there something deeper at play?   Most importantly, what exactly is in these files that the public would possibly ‘need distracting’ from?         Full show notes available at RottenMangoPodcast.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Badda being, baddaboo. One day before Nancy Guthrie sits down for her last known dinner, the DOJ releases the largest single dump of documents in the history of the Jeffrey Epstein case. Over three and a half million pages, more than 2,000 videos, approximately 180,000 images. And then a little over 24 hours later, a woman named Nancy Guthrie vanishes in a way that nobody has ever seen before in any similar case. This is not an elderly woman that is suffering from dementia that wandered outside. Her doorbell camera was forcibly ripped off the front door. There were blood droplets left on her front porch.

The mainstream media news outlets keep saying that it must be the work of an amateur, and yet we're a month and a half in, and nobody has seen Nancy Guthrie. There were ransom notes sent to major media publications, and the timing starts becoming the main focus here. The largest dump of Epstein files, to date, drops. and then a journalist's mother just vanishes. The internet starts connecting the dots. We don't know if there are even dots to connect

or the connections are worthy of anything, but it is interesting to note. Some people on Reddit have just quietly wondered, it's a weird feeling that they get about this Guthrie case. They see it all over mainstream media, and all these news networks are saying, this is the case that the world is captivated by, that the entire nation cannot look away from.

Everybody is overly invested in this case. And normally when major news networks say something like that, it's partly because it's true. But a lot of people say on Reddit, I don't know anyone that's personally been following the case. Everybody's heard of it because it's just like shoved in our faces by every major news publication. But nobody's really following it. Nobody's really overly invested. They're not trying to be internet sleuths. A lot of people say I have friends who are very into active true crime cases and they're not really following the Nancy Guthrie case.

These are people on Reddit. So they're wondering, are we just meant to believe that this is the only thing that Americans are thinking about, interested in talking about? Or is it something deeper? Some netizens think so. September 20th, 2019, a dateline special that has since been described as being historic goes live. It is Virginia Joufrey's very first ever televised interview. She's filed court documents. She's given depositions.

She has never gone on camera before to talk about what happened to her by Epstein. She's sitting in front of an NBC journalist sharing her story. And this is the first time that she's publicly stating that she was even trafficked to a prince. This is the interview that causes Prince Andrew, former Prince Andrew, to give his own disastrous interview to the BBC where he just digs his own grave and he says, I don't even know how to sweat. I have a condition where I can no longer sweat. But it's not just Virginia Joufrey. There are six survivors in total that tell NBC journalists what happened to them, including Shantay Davies. She's been pictured with Bill Clinton.

She was giving him a back massage, neck massage in the airport. Wow. Oh, okay. They all open up to NBC journalist Savannah Guthrie about what Epstein did to them. This was essentially the first time Epstein survivors were given a national platform so that the world could finally listen. Savannah Guthrie conducted the very first exclusive televised interviews with Virginia Joufrey and other Epstein survivors. And it's clear that even the FBI was made aware of it. So they have internal emails between multiple different departments within the FBI

and other federal organizations where they're just trying to give each other heads up on any major publications. Because the idea being there might be questions for comment. Someone's going to see it. A journalist is going to ask you. They're going to email you. You should at least know that this was produced and released on air. The internal email reads, quote,

I just wanted to give you a heads up. She's done another interview with Savannah Guthrie. In it, she says the following. One, she was interviewed by the FBI in 2011. In the interview, she gave the names of all the girls she helped to traffic. Two, she was also interviewed by STNY. Three, two other women also tell DOJ that Epstein specifically trafficked them to other men. Four, there are cameras in the New York City House and others where he could watch people in bathrooms

and elsewhere. They plan to air it on, quote, today and this Friday's quote, date line. Hope that's helpful. These emails are not, they're just a mess. matter of routine. There's no sinister language. They're not incriminating. Nothing in the emails would suggest that the FBI is like, we can't let this air. We got to shut Savannah Guthrie up. Like, there's nothing like that. It's just nothing is being monitored even in an abnormal way. But the emails do exist. Netizens have further dug up more connections. Michael Feldman,

Savannah Guthrie's husband, was the deputy director of legislative affairs for Al Gore. Al Gore was Bill Clinton's vice president. Wow. Michael Feldman has since gone on to create a communications public affairs firm. A lot of people call it like a crisis situation firm, along with other key members from the Clinton administration. Larry Summers, the former president of Harvard that has been heavily featured in the Epstein files,

he recommends Epstein to talk to someone with that specific PR firm because they've helped Bill Clinton and others very high-powered people. There's no indication. that Epstein did in fact reach out to Michael Feldman nor his firm, but these are all there in the files. These are all innocuous connections with the proximity to the Clinton world, to the Epstein victims, Savannah Guthrie. I mean, it's just kind of set conspiracy theorist chairs on fire. And then there's the journalist and the president connection. Savannah Guthrie hosted a town hall with Trump in October of 2020. And Savannah Guthrie goes viral multiple times for her very tough

interviewing. She even pressed Trump about him sharing conspiracy theories online stating, you're the president. You're not like somebody's crazy uncle who can just retweet whatever. A few days later at a rally, Trump stated that Savannah Guthrie was acting like a crazed lunatic. But in a separate rally, he told her that she did a good job. This is a case where you can argue, it's just a small world. All these people run in the same circles. Of course you have a journalist rubbing shoulders with politicians. Of course you have all of these different connections. That makes sense, or you could argue that there's something way deeper going on, with one social media user saying,

so you're telling me that an 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie was kidnapped as soon as the Epstein files were released? Meanwhile, her daughter did a huge interview with Epstein survivors. Another comment reads, Nancy Guthrie was probably kidnapped because her daughter was going to start interviewing Trump and other Epstein victims again. Another comment reads, it's weird that no one in mainstream media, none of these news outlets that are heavily covering Nancy Guthrie's case, I mean, it's going under the radar that NBC Savannah Guthrie conducted the first televised interview with Virginia Dufray and other Epstein victims. That's not being included in any of these articles. Oh, you're saying other people are not making that Epstein connection. Yeah, because, I mean, these mainstream news stations, they've been making all sorts of connections.

They're like, the cartels could have taken her. Here we spend 30 minutes interviewing a cartel specialist to give their expert opinion. They're making some connections I've never seen made before where I'm like, I don't even know. Right, right, right. But no mention of Epstein's. None when I was researching Nancy Guthrie except mainly on social media. Interesting. Mm-hmm.

Okay. And if they do mention some sort of connection, it's all in the lens of new online conspiracy theory. And it lists like a bunch of conspiracy theories. I see. Okay. And I'm not saying that this is a connection that needs to be looked into. I'm just saying it's kind of odd. They've been making connections.

It's one thing if they made zero connections with the Nancy Guthrie case, but they're like, here, let's talk to this cartel expert. Here's this cactus expert. Like, it's so many connections, and yet this one is just not something you want to talk about. But I will say other people have started arguing back. Zach Peter is a social media commentator. I'm not entirely sure what he does, but he did comment, and this has kind of gone semi-viral.

These conspiracies are the stupid. thing that I've ever heard. If someone wants a powerful distraction, why kidnap Nancy Guthrie from Tucson, Arizona that nobody's heard of? They would take the Kardashian grandma. What is he arguing exactly? Like he's saying if this is a distraction? Yeah, they would take someone more high profile, like a Kardashian's grandma.

But they don't have that direct connection. And then some people are saying, well, maybe it's not just a distraction. Maybe it's a threat to Savannah Guthrie. And it's opened a lot of doors for further. conversations. But is this connection just coincidental? Is it something deeper? Or is this all, even this conversation itself? Just a way to distract from the new Epstein files. We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support the Joyful Heart Foundation. They're working to transform society's response to

SADVCA and support Survivor's healings. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mingo's growing team and we'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support. As always, full show notes are available about rotten mingo podcast.com. We're also going to link the change.org petition by various survivors of Jeffrey Epstein, calling on the president and the U.S. government for the full transparent release of all the Epstein Maxwell,

zero redaction in favor of abusers, enablers, or accomplices, federal and state protection for survivors facing threats and harassment. There is a lot that they're asking the government for, and a lot meaning like you should go and read exactly what they want so that we can be on the same side, but they're not asking for much. Like, this is the least the government should be able to do.

So there are quite a few disclaimers for today's episode, including grooming, exploitation, trafficking, total deprivation of human liberties, sexual violence of minors and young adults, that this episode may be extremely distressing, particularly regarding specific descriptions and direct quotes from survivors' diaries about abuse that has been experienced.

Statements and quotes may be condensed for brevity, and I just want to say, appearing in the Epstein files is not an indication of wrongdoing. In fact, most people who have appeared in the files have avidly, passionately denied any wrongdoing. Notizens, however, may feel that someone seems guilty and appears guilty. And if they're in the files quite a number of times, that could implicate in their personal opinion a sense of higher guilt, but that doesn't mean that they are. Pretty much every single person in the files has denied any guilt. So who are the guilt? So who are the parties. At this point, maybe it's everyone not in the files. Is that what we are to assume?

So with that being said, let's get started. For how much we knew about Jeffrey Epstein, the world really never sees this man talk. We have a few clips of a previous deposition where Jeffrey Epstein is sitting there looking smug, but we don't hear him talk for a long time. Even when reading thousands upon thousands of emails, you don't even necessarily have his voice reading it out loud in your head. You know when you hear someone's voice multiple times and then you read something that they allegedly wrote, it's very clear. You can hear them. I did not hear that with Epstein. But in the recent Epstein file dump, there is an Epstein interview unreleased. It's a two-hour video. Him sitting, facing the camera, answering questions about his crimes. It's not an interrogation.

It's not even a deposition. It is an interview with Steve Bannon. Okay, this episode, I were to give you the context of every single person and every single thing and how they're connected to Epstein, it would take 25 years. I just want to say we have two separate collections of videos, one that was done years ago on the Epstein case, giving you a general overview. And then one that was done more recently with all of the Epstein drops with Steve Bannon heavily included. And then if you haven't seen the Nancy Guthrie video, you should go watch that one previously. But he's sitting down with Steve Bannon. And this is an Epstein legacy project. The first thing you hear, is stage direction.

Steve Bannon is off camera and you hear his voice guiding Epstein. Remember, when you're answering the question, I'm not in the shot and they're never going to hear my voice, basically telling him, repeat the question in your answer. Wait, what is that?

Like a documentary they're making? Yes. Steve Bannon says it's going to be released. And this is... Wait, wait, wait, Steve Bannon is a... Epstein documentary is still coming today? Yes. Oh?

I know. What? Yeah. And this is just two hours of a 15-hour file that he has. Okay, so he has like a lot more. He said, just, just you weigh. Yeah.

But this two hours doesn't make Steve Bannon look good. So everyone's like, I don't know if I want to watch your documentary. You're weird. Is this filmed after all the allegations started or this is old, old tape? This is like a few months before he dies before he's arrested the second time in 2019. Okay, so this is like the peak of like because, okay. Oh, yeah. This is like way after 2008.

Okay. So he's telling Epstein and Epstein is just like, oh, okay. And just like that, just unceremoniously, the interview begins. It's clear the footage is going to be part of the documentary and Epstein is heavily going to be involved. It looks like some sort of PR piece for Epstein to make a comeback into the world after being a convicted child predator. But it's before the color grading and the edits. Steve Bannon, of course, has saying up and down that anything you see in this video is not really a good representation of his really. relationship with Epstein because of course he's being nice to Epstein because he's trying to build rapport and build his trust so he can make an explosive documentary on him. That's Steve Bannon. Steve Bannon is a high-powered political advisor that has probably worked with every single he worked very closely with Trump. He did go to jail for the January 6th insurrection. That was like a whole thing. He like made he was just trying to be a martyr afterwards. It was just bizarre. Like this man is very, very bizarre.

And then he's like besties with Epstein. But he's not like a film director or anything. This is not his line of work. Not that I know of. Okay. Yeah. Not that I know of. There was actually a documentary you made on him.

But I don't, yeah. I mean, if he is, not a good one because we've never heard of him. Interesting. Okay. I honestly don't know what it is he actually does at all. I mean, he's got lots of cool titles on his. resume, I'm sure, but I don't know what this man is about. I don't know what this is. And, okay, if you watch the interview, which I'm going to include clips of in this video podcast, the last thing

on your mind is what Steve Bannon is getting out of this. It is what Jeffrey Epstein is getting out of this, because this interview does not feel like a man being exposed. It feels like a man auditioning for what role. I don't know, the devil himself. Steve Bannon even asks Epstein about the devil. But first, the interview. Okay. Steve Bannon brings up the 2008 financial crisis. because what would be a more thought-provoking way to interrogate Epstein's financial prowess than get his commentary on one of the most devastating economic crashes in modern U.S. history.

Epstein tells Steve Bannon that it's not what he thinks. Because in 2008, when the financial market crashed, Epstein was sitting in an 8x10 jail cell, stuffing his face full of almond joyce because he was terrified the jail food was being poisoned and he was going to die. Which side note, does that sound like someone who in a few months would self-exit in jail?

Anyway. What? Okay. He said that he only ate almond joy because he thought someone was going to poison his jail food. Does this really, and he's saying this a few months before he self-exits in jail? I'm just saying it doesn't sound like someone

who has the tendency to feel. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's like paranoid about someone killing him. Yeah. Interesting. He's sitting in solitary confinement. And Steve Bannon, he does not look disappointed. He's giddy.

Oh, this is going to be so amazing. That's going to be so amazing. He has Epstein reintroducee it so he can take out. Steve Bannon's voice later. He's like, say it again. Tell me again. Start from the beginning. Steve Bannon is delighted. Financial mastermind in a cage, unable to save the world during the greatest financial catastrophe in a generation. That's the image in Steve Bannon's mind. And it gets better for Bannon. Epstein tells him, because they don't have the Wall Street Journal in jail, how he found out about the crash was he had a guard come up to his cell and the guard was like,

pst, I'm really worried about my pension. What do I do? Epstein's like, why are you worried about your pension? You don't know? Everything's crashing. The banks are coming down. I'd been there since June in an 8x10 cell with a bed in the back, a six-foot bed in the back, a chrome sink with a toilet attached to it, and a little piece of metal sticking out that was supposed to act as a table.

Now, since I was in jail, there were no books. Why? There's no library. No library, but you're in jail. No, I was in jail, not prison. So in jail, I was in a place which was called the special housing unit, which is for the roughest, toughest, meanest people.

They had put me there, they said, for my own protection. One of the reasons they wanted to keep me in solitary confinement was they were afraid that everybody would want to know which stocks to buy. What? Steve Bannonas, did it strike you at the time how all the threads of your life had come together and put you in a position or you had put yourself in a position in that position. No.

It never struck you about how to end up in a situation like this. No, that would probably mean I would be too self-aware. You can't possibly expect me to believe this. I know. I don't believe it. I don't know why they're acting like Epstein went to war. Like he was in the depths of ADX, Florence, Supermax, which he should have been. But no, he was on a work release program.

He wasn't even really in solitary confinement. he could leave jail every day in 2008 to go to work where he abused more victims during his work release because his work is being a trafficker. What do you mean? Yeah, that was his 2008 whole thing. He was on a work release program. He was out and about? Yeah, he was out and about for most of them. So how does he not know what's going on in the economy?

I think these are all lies. I think anything that comes out of Epstein's mouth is a fucking bold face lie. Okay, wow. And Steve Bannon is the world's worst fact checker. How can you not even be a good fact checker when he's your supposed friend? That's insane. Okay. Steve Bannon acts like the 2008 financial crisis would not have happened as long as child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein wasn't in jail in Florida.

He says, quote, you never had a moment where you sat there and go, what the fuck have I done with my life, that I'm in a six by nine jail cell when I should be on a trading desk or I should be in my $250 million greatest townhouse in New York City taking calls from the King's of Saudi Arabia, the president of China, the head of Russia, the president of the United States to save the world's population from a financial debacle? You're honestly expecting me to believe that thought never crossed your mind? That never happened? What the fuck is that statement? I don't know. And Epstein is just like, I would just say how strange, you know, that this happened. It's strange. I'm wearing a jumpsuit and flip-flops. What color was the jumpsuit?

Brown. And with a spark of, I took a journalism class when I was in college. Steve Bannon notes with an inquisitive and slightly somber tone in his voice. I notice I don't see you in a lot of brown. I don't know what the fuck we're doing here, honestly, okay? This old documentary feels like it's just a clean up Epstein's image after his 2008 arrest. And it feels as if it's just to position Epstein as some financial guru that the world desperately needs. But fine, like you want to play Mr. Market. You want to be Mr. Wall Street.

Tell us how to fix the financial crisis. Epstein does in this interview. And let's see if he says anything of value, we should be able to take this information, walk to JPM Morgan, and get a job. Epstein comments about the financial crash of 2008. You can't think of the financial system like your car. People in normal walks of life.

They think about money and things as a machine. And unfortunately, so if your car breaks, cars are always easier to fix. My jets, my cars, if it breaks, I know it can be fixed because it simply follows the same pattern. and if this part breaks, you can replace that part and the whole thing works again. People in the financial system are not machines. They can't be fixed the same way.

You can't simply put more juice into the commercial paper market. It's more like a patient. I have a patient who can't breathe, has a stomach problem, can't see, looks bleeding, all at the same time. What do I do first? I have to think about it as a system. What's the most logical place? What's the most dangerous place? If you're heart stopped, we'd have to start your heart again.

In the equivalent to the money market, why do you have to start your heart again? I need to get your blood flowing. If your blood stops, you're dead. If liquidity, which is the equivalent of blood and the financial system dries up, Steve Bannon interrupts. Liquidity is basically cash, so putting cash in the system. Forget about what it is. Okay.

Okay. Liquidity is liquidity. It's the blood of the economy. You need to pump blood hard into the body of the economy to keep it. There's real no information on how the market actually works. There's no real information on how Epstein, even, wired wealth to begin with, but Steve Bannon maybe got hit on the head with a coconut from a coconut tree. He asks Epstein just off the top of your head. Can you list any guys who know the

financial market better than you do? You know, like, hate him or love him, Jamie Diamond, the head of BlackRock, anybody? Epstein says, there must be, but he can't think of one off the top of his head. Wow. But here's the catch. The only reason that, that Epstein was able to become so wealthy and become so interconnected with heads of states and billionaires and tech founders. It's not because of the trafficking or the island or Lolita Express. It's because everyone else in the room is dumb. That's what he's trying to say. This is like quintessential two bros in a podcast. He's like trying to explain. Let me show you what I know that even the president doesn't know. And that's why the president wants to hang out with me.

Bannon Bank. I give you a dollar, one single dollar. In our system of banking, I would say, Okay, Steve, I give you a dollar. How much could you lend out to your friends? Your natural reaction would be something less than a dollar because I want to keep something in my pocket. The way our system works is, if you are a bank and holding $1, you can lend out an additional $6, $8 to $9.

You're going to say, no, it's impossible. I only have $1, Jeffrey. We have something called fractionalized reserves. If you have one, you can lend out $9. That's the way our system works. And so not only do leaders not understand banking, but the man on the street, my father who worked in a park department, it would be beyond his imagination. Next question.

He also says he's not impressed meeting world leaders because, quote, I'm not wowed by people of position. I'm wowed by people of great ideas. Whatever Epstein is doing in this interview, self-reflection is not part of the plan. What is part of the plan does become clear later. It's clear that Epstein wants the world to see him as mostly harmless. a mind ahead of his time. Maybe he's too eccentric to be bound by the dimensions of human laws, courtesy of Nicole Daydone. Steve Bannon asks Epstein, what are you?

Class 3, sexual predator? Tier 1. Tier 1 is the highest and the worst. No, no, I'm the lowest. I'm the lowest. Jeffrey Epstein is wrong, or he's lying. I opt for the latter. New York's Sex Offender Registration Act classifies Tier 1 as the lowest risk,

which is technically what he says, Epstein was classified as level three sex offender in the state of New York, which is the highest, most dangerous tier. In fact, something totally bizarre happened. A Manhattan prosecutor asked the judge to bump Epstein down from tier three to tier one because his crimes were committed all the way in Florida. This is ADA Jennifer Gaffney, by the way, who was the deputy chief of sex crimes in the Manhattan DA's office. Even the judge was confused. The judge was alarmed, flabbergasted. Did the prosecutors suffer a major brain injury on the way to work? They stay in open court. The judge does. I have never seen the prosecutor's office do anything like this.

To help them. Yeah, I have done so many cases, much less troubling than this one, where prosecutors would never make a downward argument like this. I don't think you did much of an investigation here. I'm quite frankly shocked. That is so sus. That's fucking crazy. Exactly. The judge denied the request. and Jeffrey Epstein remained a tier three offender in the state of New York, which is neither a tier one offender, nor is it the lowest risk offender. But Steve Bannon is not a fact checker. He lets Epstein right off into the sunset trying to present himself as a mostly harmless child sex trafficker.

Epstein says that while former world leaders like Bill Clinton have long biographies, he just thinks of himself as Jeffrey Epstein, just a good kid. There's also just some random bizarre moments from the interview, if you will. Bannon asks him if he considers himself a stoic to which he responds. No, I consider myself a hermit. Stoics are not very happy. At one point, his phone rings and the producers tell him to turn the sound off and then flip the phone face down. Steve Bannon comments, yeah, because who knows what the fuck comes up on that phone.

Then they're later talking about how funny something is and Steve Bannon says, is there anything funnier than that? It's black humor. I think he means dark humor, but he's. He's Steve Bannon, so I don't know. I hate him. Whatever. I don't think that he thinks much.

But Epstein comments, I don't make any black comments. That's right. You're too wrapped up in the Me Too movement. And then kind of unprompted, Jeffrey Epstein hits everyone with a, you know, there's this argument that I reject, that black people are less intelligent than white people, and it's not true.

We know, for example, that if I was in a forest and I had to run from the lion, or I figure out a way not to be eaten, and my competition is a local African, I'm the one who's getting eaten, because they have the intelligence to deal with their local environment, so it's just different. It's not better, it's not worse,

but there's many differences amongst different types of people and people have different intelligences, and they excel in some intelligences usually, and less so in others. That's freaking crazy. Which is a very roundabout way to be racist. He says that kids also shouldn't necessarily be taught how to write because writing forces linear and narrow patterns of thinking.

You have to write in a certain form, in a certain way, in a certain linear pattern is very. he says, which maybe, I guess, explains his psychosis-inducing grammar in his emails. Steve Bannon says to Epstein that there is something deeply fucked up with you. And netizens have commented on this interview that Steve Bannon somehow manages to be the most annoying person in the room. Where the only other person in the room is Jeffrey fucking Epstein. Other comments read, plot twist.

This video is recorded this week and not before he dies. Another one is commenting. Had this playing in the background? while I was working and I'm pretty sure now I have brain damage. But Steve Bannon, he continues. He asks Jeffrey Epstein, let's go back to human life. Where do you think? Like, when does human life start? So you see, this is the question. You're asking me to measure something. Again, it cannot be measured. Steve Bannon is like, you just hate making commitments. That's why I'm not married. I'm peeling this onion back, a layer at a time. All your bullshit and happy targets can't be

measured, can't be measured this. It's like, you know, it's a commitment. You don't like to make a commitment. When you answer a question, as they say in golf, commit to the shot. I don't know what it means to be measured. Epstein talks about how Schrodinger was trying to figure out the difference between things that are alive and things that are dead. He says, the answer is no. The things that are alive in my world are miracles, not magic. Magic, you know, has a bad connotation trying to hide things. You don't believe in the spirit or the soul? That's what animates people. Is your spirit or your soul? No. Have you seen someone die? When they die, their spirit leaves. Their soul leaves. Their soul leaves. leaves, no question. There's no question to you about that. No question. Because people would normally

think that you are soulless. Thank you. Describe to me what you mean by that. Like, what do you mean by soul? What do you mean by soul different than the physical analog body that you're seeing on film right now? It's difficult to describe in words. I mean, I'm not a poet. Poems get a little closer to what it really means. But even the concept of what is life becomes complicated when you deal with plants and seeds. Is a seed alive? I don't know. Certain people would say, no, it's dead. When you're a banana, one of my favorite examples is the banana that's sitting on your countertop in your kitchen today. Is it alive or is it dead? But your banana is alive.

That banana is breathing. It's on your, you know, you say it's not possible. It's impossible. Jeffrey is the banana conscious? These are words. So everyone's trying to fit a complicated concept into a very small box called conscious or alive. These don't fit in that way. So if you put your banana in a bag and put another fruit in with it, the fruit ripens faster because the banana breathes.

with it. We don't understand most of those things. What do you think human life is? It's a miracle. It's a miracle. When I say a miracle, I can't explain it and I make no attempt to explain it at the moment. We don't know how to think about it. He also reflects on how little science knows about romance. He says, quote, I don't know why I'm attracted to somebody. I don't know. People are attracted to each other and some, everyone has the same feeling. They've been seeing someone walk in the room and they say, oh, that person gives me a creepy feeling. He's talking that? Yeah.

Science has tried to describe, you know. Science doesn't really describe what a creepy feeling means. They just know it's a creepy feeling. He also rambles about how women have intuitive sense, quote, they have feelings and they're able to deal with in the realm of things that men, especially men like myself, find it unexplainable. Women have intuition. Men see things a bit differently.

Men want to measure everything. He literally just did not want to measure fucking anything. think, women are not interested in measuring. But the interview ends where it was always going to go. Steve Bannon asks if it's okay, you know, Epstein, a predator, is out here being a philanthropist.

Epstein argues that his philanthropy has nothing to do with his character. It might just ask you a question. Is your money dirty money? No, it's not. So, in fact, why is it not dirty money? Because I earned it. My heart.

But you earned it. It earned it legally. We went back to this before. You earned it advising the worst people in the world, right, that do enormous bad things, and just to make more money. You have, ethics is always a complicated subject, but I can tell you that with the money I gave to help try to eradicate polio in Pakistan and India, instead of asking me whether that money was, should be given to these chival.

for vaccines, I think you might want to ask their mothers who received the vaccine, who know their child now won't get polio, and ask them if Epstein should have helped these people with their money. Steve Bannon asks if, okay, yeah, let's say people knew that the money for free vaccines was coming from a sexual predator. What percentage does Epstein think that they would still want the money? I would say, everyone said, I want the money for my children. Did they know where the money came from? I think if you told him, I told him the devil, 100%. The devil himself. The devil himself said, I'm going to exchange some dollars for your child's life. Do you think you're the devil himself? No, but I do have a good mirror. It's a serious question.

I'm sorry. Do you think you're the devil himself? I don't know. Why would you say that? Steve Bannon, almost in a way to not anger Epstein, explains that the devil is brilliant. Quote, have you read Milton's Paradise Lost? Satan was the number one archangel. He led the rebellion because he couldn't be the top guy. I'd rather rain in hell than serve in heaven. Epstein just stares at him in response, no, the devil scares me. The devil scares me.

And then he says, I saw that in a movie once called American Dharma. I don't remember who said it. American Dharma is a documentary about Steve Bannon. What? And Steve Bannon loves Milton's Paradise Lost, and that's like there's a lot of quotes from that book in American Dharma.

But the fact that Epstein is quoting Bannon's own favorite quote back to him stating he saw it in a documentary about Bannon but claiming he doesn't remember where he heard it and doesn't mention that this documentary is about Bannon, it's very strange. Some people have taken it as almost like a threat to Bannon or is he acting coy or what's happening? But still, the biggest lingering question is if Epstein is scared of the devil, then who the hell could be the devil? It's announced early into Nancy Guthrie's disappearance that the authorities are going to use a signal sniffer to see if they can find her. Signal sniffers are, it's something created by a man named David Kennedy. It can pick up very, very, very low Bluetooth signals. So you attach it to a drone. You send it off into the fields.

And if you have anything that can have a Bluetooth signal, it can find it. Such as a pacemaker inside of Nancy's body would have a low frequency Bluetooth signal. And with this announcement, Trump gets involved again. I mean, you have to remember this is like a month leading up to basically the U.S. and Israel starting what I would call a war in Iran. And yet there is a lot of time and energy to comment on this specific news. Not on Nancy Guthrie being missing, which Trump has done, but the fact that they're even going to be using a signal sniffer to try and look for her. Trump states that he does not like this public revelation that signal sniffers are going to be used in the Nancy Guthrie case, stating, quote, I didn't like, you know, when they're talking about that they're going after the pacemaker before they even started going after it.

They're coming and reporting it. You know, if in fact they would do that way, you know, the person would say, well, I'm not going to let that happen, right? So bad things would happen and he's not going to let that happen. Basically, a roundabout way of saying, what's the best way to turn off a pacemaker? I see. But just the president commenting on a case, wouldn't that just draw more attention to it? Trump has been personally getting involved, along with the FBI director Cash Battel, and pretty much every single mainstream media news outlet was reporting on Nancy Guthrie's case.

Many experts have stated that this public attention on the case, yes, it keeps it on the headlines, yes, it keeps more people attuned to seeing if they can spot Nancy Guthrie somewhere, and if they can spot the suspects in the ring doorbell footage somewhere. But if this really is a ransom kidnapping case, the public attention can actually end up harming the case in a lot of ways, especially when the president of the United States, the FBI director, are getting involved. But there were less eyebrows being raised with Cash Patel's overt involvement in Nancy Guthrie's case. A lot of people think it's very normal for Cash Patel to get involved because he is the director of the FBI. But I would like to say that I disagree because when I was going through Cash Patel's very frequent posting on Twitter and social media platforms,

he seems to have a tendency and this is not like a factual observation this is an anecdotal thing that I've experienced researching is that he gets involved in all of the political crimes. You have people south of the border smuggling in drugs. He's going to be posting

about it on X when they catch the criminals, right? Because that's part of the narrative of like we want all the illegals out. He was heavily posting and involved with he actually got in quite a bit of trouble between many of politicians for being too involved early on in releasing information that was likely inaccurate about the Charlie Kirk shooting that happened.

So all of these are heavily political topics. Nancy Guthrie is not political, but he's getting heavily involved. So it's very strange. I mean, the timing is odd. So what would incentivize Cash Patel to get so invested and involved, if it's not the Epstein files,

I mean, why this case and not any other case? What's happening in that time period? January 22nd, 2026. So this is like a week before Nancy Guthrie goes missing, and it's been gaining traction since. A New York Times Expoise goes live, detailing what the FBI has been like since Cash Patel took over. They were able to interview 45 Bureau employees, former and current,

and the feeling is, this is hell. Hell is here. We're living in hell. That's the feeling of the article, the expose. The expose examines how Cash Patel was a former public defender who never worked for the FBI a day in his life and actually was quite the conspiracy theorist evidenced by his many, many, way too many, far too many appearances on podcast. Cash Patel said that he wants to shut down the bureau headquarters and reopen it as a museum of the deep state. That's what he stated before he became the director. He didn't do that, but he does indeed go get rid of the Bureau's top six executives, likely due to

their connections and work prosecuting Trump. Interesting. The sentiment being is if you were assigned to the January 6th investigation because you don't get to pick cases in the bureau. Like these are agents that get assigned a case. A lot of agents said the sentiment inside the bureau was that once Cash Patel took over, if you even touched the January 6 case, you might get fired just because you worked on that case.

There were a lot of just bozo moments exposed in the article. One field office leader stated that they were shocked by Cash Patel's brain, stating, quote, Patel had his first director's call with the heads of all the field offices. He had no agenda. No organized thoughts, no strategy or leadership philosophy or priorities to share. I specifically remember him stating at one point, I don't read, I don't read. He explained he doesn't read briefing materials.

He apparently doesn't do calls either. So one agent states that typically there is a weekly meeting with all the leaders of the field offices on Wednesdays with the director of the FBI. But he stopped doing that. so things just kept getting dropped and missed and because everyone's supposed to have their own individual calls with the director, but like that's a lot of calls. Things were not good.

And this is an opinion, of course. But I think a Driscoll sweetest batch blueberry has a stronger work ethic than Cash Patel. Agents remember how he had to go to the Five Eyes Conference, which is the Intelligence Alliance between the US, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. And quote, before the conference, his staff says he's unhappy because he doesn't like meetings in office settings. What he wants his social events.

He wants premier soccer games. He wants to go jet skiing. He'd like a helicopter tour. Everyone who'd heard about this was like, hold on. Is he really going to ask MI5, the director of MI5, to go jet skiing instead of going to a meeting? This is a job, guys. His staff only cared about three things. What his meals were, when his workouts would be, and what his entertainment would be.

Who exactly is saying this? One of a former employee? Or current. What is happening? Yeah. Also, side note for someone who has dedicated teams to meals and workouts, he does not have a physique that reflects that much. But I digress, okay? They continue.

The biggest plan is how he's going to get his girlfriend in there so she can go to the Windsor Castle. He's got his assistant, just like a true executive concierge. And when she's not getting the food or the workout she wants, she'll just start screaming at people. Make it happen. The girlfriend? No, the assistant. But he wants his girlfriend to go everywhere, which that was a whole. whole thing. So he, Cash Patel is constantly under fire for using the FBI jet and taxpayer dollar to go fly to his

girlfriend's concert. She's like a country singer that nobody listens to. I mean, some people listen to her. Nobody listens to her. Okay. He would fly and then they would fly from one city to another back to her home in Nashville. And apparently the FBI office in Nashville where she lives is just like private security for her these days. Right, right, right. They can't even get any worked on. Wow. It's the allegation is the sentiment. How long has he been in this position? I think like it's been a year, a year and a half. Oh, okay.

Yeah. And then apparently during the Five Eyes conference, they all go to the castle and they take a picture with the king. Fantastic. Loving life. Great. Now, some of the members of these intelligence agencies overseas, they are not public figures. It's not like the director of the FBI.

They're like very secret figures. They're in nondisclose. positions. You can't even file paperwork to see what position they're in. That's the intention. Cash Patel, though, wants to post this picture on social media, apparently, according to this ex-bose. They're all like, hey, so what kitchen cooking herb are you smoking over there? You cannot post this fucking picture. But he apparently goes back and forth, allegedly begging these people, these undisclosed intelligence agency running commands. Is it like a group photo? Yes, that he wants to post this picture onto social media. Because he was taking a picture with

the king? Yeah. Did he post it? No. Wow. Dan Bonjino is the deputy director, well, former, not anymore, which usually, so a lot of people are saying that with the deputy director of the FBI, it has been longstanding tradition to choose a career agent. So the FBI director is typically well connected to politicians because that's how they get appointed. But the deputy director, this is the secondhand in charge. They've been in the bureau. for probably their whole career. Right. Because that's what you need.

You need someone who knows every rank file, how things work, how things have been done. Not because they're so stuck in tradition, but like they know the ins and outs of the bureau. They choose instead Dan Bongino, who is a right-wing podcaster and a former Secret Service agent. He doesn't even like the Bureau.

He called it thugs for the Democrat Party. One agent states that there was real concern in the Bureau stating, quote, we were going to have two people who, it would not be an exaggeration to say there were conspiracy theorists with a very little experience in federal law enforcement. Wow. I will say the levels in government, a male podcaster can get in this administration needs to be

studied and then needs to be just like quickly stopped. One of the most notable things that he does once he's assigned though is Dan Bongino tries to create a new physical fitness test that is not backed by evidence or research. So he's like, I need all the bureau agents to be fucking fit. He wanted to have equality for men and women in the sense that they would have to do the exact same number of pull-ups, which means a large number of probably more competent.

Okay, sorry. Very competent female agents and recruits would be lost. Valuable personnel would be lost because they can't do as many pull-ups as their male counterparts. That's crazy. So one agent stated to Bongino

and apparently, allegedly, Dan Bongino, tells them, you can have the best female agent take down the biggest case in our history, but if on one ring door camera video, she's out of shape or overweight, that's going to be the story. The agent comments, he was worried about whether or not

they'd look good on doorbell camera. He said it's the way these times are. I think that's the way you are. I don't think anyone else would have thought that. He has since stepped down as the FBI deputy director to go back to his podcast. He's also taking a role in the whole Epstein files.

Which both of them, before they held positions in the FBI, they kind of hinted on podcasts like they did not believe that Epstein self-exited. But Cash Patel, once he becomes the director, he states like, no, it was a self-exit. It was a self-exit. It's been reported by agents to the expose that there's too much co-mingling with DHS, the Department of Homeland Security, Fuck Ice, formerly run by Christine Nome. She has since been fired, promoted.

We don't know. Like, she has a new, whole new position that was created just for her because the speculation by a lot of people is that if she were straight up fired, she would start singing. like a little canary. So there's a whole new position. I don't know what that position does. But one agent says they also had to juggle Christyneau, the secretary of the Department of Homeland Security,

who wanted to ride in our tactical vehicle to do her TV stuff. That makes all the operators uneasy and it makes them less safe. A lot of agents also said that the connection between the FBI and DHS was just not good. They say, quote, because FBI agents are posting up with Homeland Security, citizens think we're part of ICE, fuck ICE, which disrupts other investigations. It used to be that you could sit in front of a house

watching another house, and a lot of the time people were okay with that. They might help you. Now they're scared because they think you're ice. Because nobody's really scared of the FBI. You know, like I would say, I feel like I would be less scared if to help an FBI agent than like even police officers

is the sentiment that I'm trying to say. I don't know if there's factual this. I don't know if there's any fact to it, but because there's a lot of tension between citizens and police officers, citizens typically have a little more leeway with federal agents because they're not around a lot. Yeah, I get it. So the FBI agent say fuck ICE, right?

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly. Yeah. Which, side note about ICE, they're stalking Reddit threads. Okay, this is like a side note. Ken Clippenstein, who did, he was the one that released Luigi Mangione's note manifest or whatever they wanted to call it, right? But he is like this incredible journalist, but he released an expost. about Homeland Security field agents monitoring conversations on Reddit.

There was an internal intelligence bulletin that Ken got his hands on where they're talking about Reddit user Budget Chicken 2425 who was posting about federal overreach on Reddit and wanted to gather a protest outside the Border Patrol facility nearby in Texas where he lives. This is not a big call for a rally. Yeah. This is not a big call for a revolution. The post just innocently reads, In light of today's events, I'm rallying people to support our rights and freedom, not

just for ourselves, but for our neighbors, family, and community. We need volunteers to be witnesses and spread awareness. The more we are silent, the faster it'll come to us. The Department of Homeland Security Bulletin reads, the Post generated some engagement on the platform, including supporting comments, logistical concerns, and opposition, underscoring both local sensitivity to perceived immigration enforcement activity and the symbolic value of federal facilities as protest sites. At the time of this assessment, there is no specific reporting indicating plans for violence against DHS personnel or facilities in connection with call to this protest. But the more alarming part is the bulletin goes on and states they did like a digital footprint

check of budget taken 2425 listing that their favorite subreddits are R slash Texas, R slash movies, R slash Stephen King, and fuck I'm old. And even that gets specific stating in the fuck I'm old subreddit, he likes to reminisce about classic television productions like UBU productions and Gracie films. on R.S. Steven Keem, he engages mostly with community posts about book collections. So they're stalking this online user. Who is not even, like it's shocking because they're not posting. I mean, do they monitor rapists like this online or child offenders who get released that just

quote slipped through the cracks? I didn't think so. So why are you? It's so bizarre. It's so scary. Also, they're buying warehouses. Look into it. Look into it.

DHS went through a whole. buying spree where they secretly leased up a bunch of wild warehouses. There's one, I believe in Georgia, that they're trying to house like 10,000 detainees. So look up your local states, look up your local areas and see if there's like a warehouse that DHS has been secretly looking into buying or has already purchased. A lot of contracts were signed secretly and they were doing this without much attention for the longest time. All near major cities. A lot of them are in very alarming spots like next to preschools, church gatherings, like community centers where people will go to be safe. But anyway, back to the FBI.

A lot of agents were saying they don't really do any crime solving, crime fighting anymore or national security anymore. And they said that Pam Bondi, because you remember Pam Bondi and Cash Patel have some shit going on. So Cash Patel is the FBI director. Pam Bondi is the Attorney General of the United States. she accuses the New York field office of a holding back documents in the Epstein case. So like everyone's just trying to save their ass.

Pam Bondi was like, I got the Epstein files on my desk. And then the administration was like, there's no files? Cash Patel was like, what files? What are we talking about? Pam Bondi is like, you, no, you guys are holding files. So it became this whole point your finger, they beef with each other. Cash Patel then diverts a ton of agents to work on redactions for files. One agent says, a member of the redaction team asked me, because I'm a superior, can I not work on this anymore?

They had a team call, and Patel jumped on the call and yelled at everyone telling them to work faster that he'd fire everyone who worked on the redactions if he didn't have it when he wanted it. And they were allegedly told to flag references to Trump and other well-known figures as well as redacting information about victims, which is the only thing they were supposed to do. Right. So don't be confused that this was hard work for American people's rights to know who amongst the rich and powerful are criminals, which at this point, if we are a casino, you would make a killing just assuming everyone is first a bad person than giving them the benefit of the doubt. The article reports that more than 20% of the FBI's workforce has been assigned to immigration enforcement, which impacts the amount of personnel that can investigate other things like public corruption, white-collar crime, kidnappings. Wow.

One agent stated, I remember praying that we didn't have a terrorist attack, mass shooting, or a cyber attack slipped through the cracks because my agents, who were highly trained to protect against such threats, were assigned to immigration enforcement. Another agent says, I did not go to law school. I did not go to Quantico and work counterterrorism operations overseas to doing traffic control for arrest a brown person day. Wow. So the Bureau is known for using polygraphs to get security clearance, where they ask you questions and, you know, they're. ask you questions that you would imagine that they ask you. But now they said that the Bureau is doing, this is an allegation, that if you, if there is a leak, because there's a lot of leaks in this administration in all departments, even I think recently there was a Pentagon leak with how many

casualties there were in the Iran situation recently. But this leak, if there's leaks in the FBI, allegedly Cash Patel will have employees polygraphed and they will be asked if they said anything negative about Cash Patel, which feels like very emotional and sensitive. I mean, it's definitely morally and ethically bankrupt if this is occurring, but could you imagine a female director doing something like that? The scathing adjectives she would be called. She would be framed as a soft, whiny baby bitch who wants everyone to love and worship her because she's probably a whore. But instead, Cash Patel. How can you be such a soft, sensitive little person? Yeah, unbelievable. One agent says, quote, they were polygraphing their own senior leadership

team because they were so mad about media leaks. Then soon after the Charlie Kirk shooting, Cash Patel flies to Utah, and the first thing he wants is a raid jacket. FBI raid jacket. They don't have one in his size, which side note, leadership doesn't wear raid jackets. Okay, so

FBI, when they do raids, they wear FBI on their back. But once you're in a leadership position, you wear a suit. You don't wear a raid jacket, but allegedly Trump told Patel he wants to see the raid jackets everywhere because he wants the feds to take the credit for a lot of things is the allegation and the expose. Okay, I don't know. I don't know.

I'm not in these rooms. I don't know any of these conversations. But they don't have a size medium. So in this very crucial moment of, I don't know, solving a crime, whatever, you, you know, he has the SWAT team take off their patch, like the SWAT patch so that he can wear just the FBI letters to the press conference, which is just odd. And then here's this long quote, after he gets their quote, whenever there is a critical incident, one of the first things that happens is a conference call with everybody, all the executives, most of the field offices dial in. The director rarely speaks because someone with situational awareness is leading the call because there's an emergency.

You've got to be there. Like you have to have, you know what's going on. They'll say, here's what happened. Here's what we know. Here's what we need. But we get on. And it's just cash berating the special agent in charge of Salt Lake. He's super emotional.

Which side note, emotional in a leadership position, such as being the director of the FBI, is never good. I don't think they use the word emotional as a way to display his humanity. They continue, then it turns surreal. Cash Patel and Dan Bongino start talking about their Twitter strategy. And Cash is like, I'm going to tweet this. Salt Lake, you tweet that. Dan, you come in with this.

And then I'll come back with this. They're literally scripting out social media, not talking about how we're going to respond or resources or the situation. He's screaming that he wants to put stuff out, but nothing's been vetted yet. it's not even accurate. Everyone on the call is just like, this guy is completely out of control. On another call, he said,

when a crisis happens, the only thing you need to do is call me. The most important thing in any crisis is controlling the narrative. I was like, no, no, no. We actually have to do some work here. Like, we're going to have to investigate. Wow.

The most alarming message coming from the FBI insiders is that they feel the way that Cash Patel is running the bureau is it's just a weapon. of the White House and the diverting of resources is leaving the country vulnerable to attack, which we now know in this situation, which call it the conflict, call it the war in Iran, that's not good. I will say these are all of the allegations and quotes that you can find on the New York Times expose. However, the FBI spokesperson Ben Williamson had said about this exosé, this story is regurgitation of fake narratives, conjecture, and speculation from anonymous sources

who are disconnected from reality. They can whine and petal fire. falsehood's all they want, but it won't change the fact that the FBI under this administration worked with partners at every level and delivered a historic 2025. A White House spokesperson states, President Trump and FBI director Cash Patel are restoring integrity to the FBI by returning its focus to fighting crime and letting good cops be cops. So, I don't know, you take the expose as you will. Maybe you hate the New York Times. But I will say Cash Patel is a very odd individual, in my opinion, because he also has a children's book, a real children's book, that you can purchase where he's a wizard and he saves King Donald Trump from the evil disgusting filthy

DOJ. The book is called The Plot Against the King and it's marketed for five-year-olds and up. I also think it's a trilogy, which like, God damn, okay, I'm still waiting for final installments of trilogies from some of my favorite authors. And here we have this trilogy, but also the second one does not seem to be sold on Amazon anymore. So I don't know if it's a duology and he just like weirdly named the first one and then the third one and skip number two. I don't know if two is a bad number for him or the second one is just pulled from the shelves. I don't know. I don't know.

But that still doesn't answer. Why is Trump getting involved in all of this? So it seems like Cash Patel has better things that he wants people to pay attention to like the Nancy Guthrie case versus probably this New York Times exposet. But what about Trump? Is he just making a comment since he's worked with Savannah Guthrie previously and has had interactions with her? Is that why he wants to be of assistance? I mean, I guess you could say that, or you could say that some people think that the idea of a disappearance being the only thing that the country wants to talk about could be a really good opportunity to not talk about other things. January 30th, the DOJ releases the single largest drop of Epstein files, like I've noted, including the one, there's a picture of the former Prince Andrew crouched over a redacted female's body who's laying on the ground.

Everybody is clothed, but it's not a great picture. February 1st, Nancy Guthrie disappears from her home. February 2nd, Epstein survivors are rightfully enraged and traumatized because the DOJ, who seems to have spent a ton of manpower to redact the names of high-powered businessmen and billionaires from their files, they have left a ton of documents unredacted that clearly show underage victims' names, personal information, and ways that people can find out where they are now. Even more traumatizing, according to the New York Times, nearly 40 unredacted images that show both nude bodies and the faces of the people portrayed were left unredacted for the public. Quote, the people in the photos appeared to be young, although it was unclear whether they were minors.

Some of the images seemed to show Mr. Epstein's private island, including a beach, others were taken in bedrooms and other private spaces. While photos of powerful men were mysteriously redacted in some cases for no reason, the lawyers representing the victim. victim state, it's kind of unfeasible to think that the DOJ would make mistakes like this. Quote, DOJ cannot plausibly characterize this as an error, negligence or bureaucratic failure. The task was straightforward. Take the list of known victims and redact those names everywhere they appear. When DOJ believed it was ready to publish, it needed only to type each victim's name into its own search function. Any resulting hit should have been redacted before publication.

Had DOJ done that, the harm would have been avoided. Another attorney states, this whole thing is ridiculous. the DOJ was ordered to release information to the public to be transparent about Epstein and Maxwell's Criminal Enterprise Network. Instead, they released the names of courageous victims who had fought hard for decades to remain anonymous and out of the limelight. Whether the disclosures were inadvertent or not, they had one job to do it and they did not do it. But instead, we're talking about Nancy Guthrie. February 3rd, Trump states that he wants to nationalize voting. Fulton County in Georgia stated that they will be suing the FBI. I think just giving

through a context for this would require like 10 business days. But the administration and the FBI raided and seized a bunch of voting ballots from Fulton County and Georgia from the 2020 presidential election. And Trump comes out to state on Dan Bongino's podcast that he thinks that we should nationalize voting in the United States. Because constitutionally, U.S. elections are governed by the state. He doesn't want that anymore, which is a huge cause for concern. But he, yeah, there's just a lot. Yeah. He's saying it's because the election was stolen, but a lot of people are saying it's much harder to hack 50 systems than hack one system. And during all of this,

Trump is interviewed and he says, speaking of Epstein, I will say this. A reporter named Wolf and Epstein conspired. This just came out yesterday in the millions of pages of documents. How crazy this is. Conspired against me in order to fight like hell to make sure I lose the election. That's the only thing that was mentioned about me. the Democrats, some really bad stuff. Epstein conspired against me. That takes care of Epstein as far as Trump is concerned. But you got a lot of Democrats out there that are very much involved with Epstein. But I'll be honest with you. You got to get back to running the country too. Which, yeah. When he's asked specifically about some of his very close associates, such as Howard

Letnik and Elon Musk being in the files, Trump responds, I have a lot of things I'm doing. I think it's really time for the country to get on something else really. now that nothing came about me other than it was a conspiracy against me, literally, by Epstein and other people, but I think it's time now for the country to maybe get on to something else. And then he states that the reporter from CNN needs to smile more. Quote, and this is like in the Oval Office with a whole gaggle of press. She's a young woman I've known for 10 years. I don't think I've ever seen a smile on your face.

You know why you're not smiling? Because you know you're not telling the truth. And you're a very dishonest organization and you should be very ashamed of yourself. she was asking him about Epstein survivors. So naturally she was not smiling at the time. And many netizens feel that it's very odd for Trump to want the world to let go of the Epstein files and move on from it

when they just release so much information, damning information against various people. So let's get into the latest drop of the files. I will say that this is not an all-encompassing video on the Epstein files because it's literally impossible. The Rotten Mango team is, I mean, we're really lucky to be growing our team, but still at the very end of the day,

I think we're a pretty super, super, super small team compared to any news network or even other podcasts. We're a very small team. I don't think I think you'd be shocked to see how intimate the core team is and intimate being a nice way of saying small and very well caffeinated. I wish I could dedicate everyone to go through files because a lot of people have requested updates on the obscene files and we did our best to get through as much as possible. But with all the other cases that people have been requesting to be covered, especially the international ones that are less known about, we've been trying to work on everything. the same time. So this is not going to be like a comprehensive, exhaustive overview of everything that's been released. But we'll try to keep giving you updates as we go. So with that being said, the next audio episode is going to be an updated episode on the Epstein case. We're going to go

through the UK followout, the arrest of Prince Andrew, former Prince Andrew, all of the resignations in the United States, Bill and Hillary Clinton's entire depositions, there is a lot to get through. A lot statements, a lot of emails, a lot of connections that are being made, other mysterious self-exits that people have been connecting to Epstein. So with that being said, that is it for today's episode, the audio episode. Stay tuned and I will see you in the next one. Bye.